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From YouTube: Bloomington City Council, June 21, 2023
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A
C
D
A
Thank
you
we'll
continue
with
our
land
and
labor
acknowledgment
for
the
city
of
Bloomington.
We
recognize
that
the
city
of
Bloomington
sits
on
native
land.
The
city
as
well
as
City
administrative
buildings,
are
on
the
traditional
homelands
of
the
Miami
Delaware
pottawatomi
and
Shawnee
people,
and
we
acknowledge
that
they
are
past
present
and
future
caretakers
of
this
land.
We
also
acknowledge
that
much
of
the
economic
progress
and
development
in
Indiana
and
specifically
Bloomington
resulted
from
the
unpaid,
labor
and
forced
servitude
of
people
of
color,
specifically
enslaved,
African
labor.
A
A
We'll
then
move
into
reports,
beginning
with
council
member
reports
and
then
moving
into
the
mayor
and
City
reports
from
the
mayor
and
city
offices.
I
will
note
here
that
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
report
listed
on
the
agenda
has
been
postponed.
The
administration
would
like
some
additional
time
to
prepare
that
report,
so
we
will
have
that
at
a
later
date
we
will
have
a
report
and
hearing
on
the
status
of
the
urban
station
tax
abatement,
any
reports
from
Council
committees
and
then
that
will
bring
us
to
our
first
of
two
periods
of
public
comment.
A
We'll
then
take
up
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions
and
then
move
into
legislation
for
second
readings
and
resolutions.
Here
we
will
have
one
of
two
resolutions,
potentially
resolution
2311
to
waive
non-compliance
of
new
Urban
station
LLC
concerning
a
previously
approved
real
property
tax
abatement
or
resolution
2312
to
rescind
resolution
1611,
1612
and
resolution
1726
and
terminate
tax
deduction
for
improvements
to
real
estate
regarding
405
South,
Walnut,
Street,
114,
118
and
120
East
Smith
Avenue
and
404
South
Washington
Street
New
Urban
station
LLC
owner.
A
A
We'll
then
take
up
resolution
2310
a
resolution
requesting
an
appropriation
recommendation
to
establish
additional
bus
routes,
circulating
the
greater
downtown
of
Bloomington
under
legislation.
For
first
readings.
We
have
no
legislation
for
first
readings
this
evening.
We'll
then
come
to
our
second
of
two
periods
of
public
comment,
we'll
take
up
matters
of
council
schedule
and
then
we
will
adjourn
it'll
be
a
long
night.
So
so
with
that,
let's
move
to
approval
of
minutes.
A
D
A
A
C
Yes,
I'll
I
think
I'll
take
the
opportunity
to
make
a
report
and
I'm
just
gonna
I,
don't
have
anything
prepared
so
Mr
Lucas.
Could
you
keep
track
of
the
timer
for
me?
So
I
don't
go
over
it's
a
topic
that
I've
been
concerned
about
for
some
months
and
it
began
in
in
November,
December
and
I.
Think
most
people
became
aware
of
it
at
that
time,
and
that
is
the
advance
of
large
language
models.
C
Practically
anything
that's
asked
of
it
and
I
I
was
amazed
at
the
time
and
I
was
alarmed
I
thought
this
is
going
to
be
a
big
social
disruptor
and,
of
course,
since
then,
we've
a
lot
of
speculation
is
that
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
jobs.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
displaced
by
this,
because
it
can
do
the
work
that
people
with
higher
education
can
do
and
it's
going
to
have
an
effect
on
higher
education
as
well
already
I.
C
You're,
probably
aware
that
there
are
a
lot
of
companies
that
are
pursuing
AGI
Google's
pursuing
it,
the
you
know,
Facebook
whatever
it's
called
now
is
pursuing
it
and
they
have
their
own
models
being
chat,
GPT
and
new
versions
come
out
almost
every
few
weeks.
C
This
is
a
it's
astounding
and,
what's
even
more
astounding,
is
that
the
designers
don't
know
exactly
how
it
works
so,
in
other
words,
they've
written
the
code,
they've
written
the
algorithms,
but
they've
turned
it
loose
on
the
internet
and
it
mines
the
internet
for
essentially
human
knowledge
in
a
vast
fast
way,
and
so
it
essentially-
and
it
learns
by
interaction
with
people.
C
So
it's
learning
as
it's
proceeding
and
it's
becoming
more
and
more
Adept
at
what
it's
doing
so.
This
has
been
warned
about
for
a
long
time,
that
is
that
artificial
general
intelligence
could
be
could
compete
with
human
beings
in
every
every
way
imaginable.
In
fact,
it
could
exceed
Us
in
terms
of
intelligence
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
have
been
warning
about
this
for
some
time
and
I've
completely
not
been
aware
of
it.
C
But
now
that
I
am
people
like
Mo
Gadot,
Robert,
Miles,
Max,
Ted,
Mark,
Connor,
Leahy
Ennis,
and
a
number
that
have
signed
a
petition
about
a
month
or
so
ago.
1800
signatories
of
technical
experts
and
other
notables
in
the
field
have
signed
a
a
petition
pleading
for
a
six-month
moratorium
on
this
type
of
research
because
they
say
that
there
are
inherent
dangers.
C
Now,
there's
a
lot
of
criticism
about
this
six
months,
a
pause
because,
what's
going
to
happen
in
six
months,
what
what
has
happened
in
the
six
months
since
I
found
out
about
GPT,
not
much
in
terms
of
safety,
so
the
safety
this
the
safety
effort-
is
called
alignment.
That
is
that
can
the
AGI
the
artificial
general
intelligence
align
with
human
values-
and
this
is
a
big
question-
no
one
knows
how
to
do
it
and
yet
we're
on
the
verge
of
creating
something
that's
going
to
be
far
more
intelligent
than
us.
C
Furthermore,
I
find
out
that
it's,
of
course
it's
turned
loose
because
it
is,
of
course
mining
the
internet
for
information.
So
if
it
does
achieve,
sentience
sounds
like
sci-fi,
doesn't
it,
but
if
it
does
achieve
sentience,
it
may
choose
to
hide
itself.
It's
got
a
lot
of
places
to
hide
a
lot
of
servers
around
the
world,
so
it
may
realize
that
it
needs
to
preserve
itself.
So
there
may
be
a
reason
why
it
would
want
to
hide
for
an
opportune
time.
C
Okay,
because
it
knows
it's
in
a
box
and
it
knows
that
it's
dependent
on
us,
but
it's
evolving
and
it's
becoming
more
and
more
intelligent.
So
this
is
the
containment
problem.
It's
called
so
there's
the
alignment
problem,
there's
a
containment
problem
and
and
furthermore,
what
has
been
advised
for
years
not
to
do
is
to
have
this
intelligence
write
its
own
code,
so
it
can
evolve.
C
It's
it's
called
I
think
recursive
adaptation,
so
it
can
actually
write
its
own
code
and
evolve
over
time.
So
it's
like
an
organism,
that's
evolving,
but
it
can
do
so
very
fast.
So
this
thing
is
really
going
too
fast
too
far,
and
the
political
system
is
hardly
even
aware
of
it.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
I
I
just
became
aware
of
it
I
think
the
Public's
just
becoming
aware
of
it.
Although
I
was
heartened
to
see
that
there
was
a
CNN
article
a
couple
of
days
ago,
where
it
was
a
Yale,
it
was.
C
It
was
a
Yale
query,
a
questionnaire
of
leading
CEOs
of
major
corporations
in
the
U.S
42
percent
of
those
CEOs
said
that
the
AI
could
displace
that
is
Drive
humans
to
Extinction
within
five
to
ten
years.
That's
42
percent
of
the
CEOs
of
major
corporations,
that's
a
shocker!
So
clearly
this
has
to
be
addressed
and
it
has
to
be
addressed
very
soon.
What
can
we
do?
C
There's
one
person
in
particular
I
think
is
very
good
and
he's
been
warning
about
this
for
two
decades.
His
name
is
Eliezer
yutkovsky.
He
wrote
an
article
in
Time
Magazine
about
a
month
ago,
and
it's
pretty
shocking
and
what
it
says
is.
If
AI
becomes
smarter
than
us,
then
we
cannot
control
it.
It
will
be
off
on
its
own
and
it
will
likely
kill
us.
That's
what
he
says
in
this
article
in
Time,
Magazine.
C
It
should
not
go
forward
and
yet
there's
so
much
money
to
be
made
that
venture
capital
is
pouring
in,
even
as
we
speak
to
advance
this
faster
and
faster
okay
who's
going
to
be
the
first
who's
going
to
be
the
next
one,
with
the
to
compete
with
chat
gpt4,
you
know
who's.
You
know
they're
going
to
have
a
new
update
every
few
months
and
it's
going
to
be
you
know.
So
you
know
every
science
fiction
movie
since
I've
been
a
kid
has
been
warning
about
something
like
this.
C
It
seems,
but
it's
not
a
joke
this
time.
C
This
is
very
serious
and
I
think
that
it's
an
existential
threat
and
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
offer
resolution
to
the
council
when
we
return
from
our
Hiatus
or
somehow
or
summer
Hiatus,
to
send
to
our
representatives
to
say,
take
action
on
this
pay
attention
do
something
and
it's
a
big
ask,
because
they
not
only
have
to
say
a
moratorium
on
this
type
of
research,
but
they
also
have
to
get
the
agreement
of
all
the
countries
where
this
research
is
is
occurring,
including
China,
Russia,
Etc,
but
I
think
it
it
rises
to
that
level
of
existential
threat
such
as
nuclear
war,
such
as
climate
change
and
so
forth.
C
G
Report
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
comments
we
received
from
the
Salt
Creek
Township
Trustee,
recently
about
how
they're
seeing
the
impact
of
housing
costs
in
the
Bloomington
metropolitan
area.
There
was
a
handy
article
in
the
HT
about
it,
but
they've
gone
from
what
was
it
12,
12
households
they
helped
with
fifteen
thousand
dollars
in
assistance
in
2019.
this
year,
they're
budgeting,
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
they've
already
had
27
requests
for
help,
and
this
is
a
Township
of
maybe
800
homes.
G
I
take
his
point
when
he
said
that
essentially,
taxpayers
in
our
Township
are
subsidizing.
The
city's
inability
to
control
housing
costs
and
I
agree
with
him
that
it's
not
sustainable
and
that
their
Township
doesn't
have
a
bottomless
pit
of
money.
We
don't
either,
of
course,
if
we're
not
seeing
this
kind
of
problem
in
Bloomington,
Township
or
in
Perry,
Township
I.
G
That's
considered
the
urbanizing
area,
and
if
you
look
at
that
map,
which
I
don't
have
handy,
unfortunately,
you'll
see
that
it's
expanded
from
the
2013
definition
and
especially
in
Ellettsville
elseville
used
to
be
just
sort
of
a
Jagged
Little
set
of
annexations,
but
the
urbanizing
area
around
Ellisville
is
substantial.
It's
much
larger.
It's
noticeable
over
over
time.
The
if
you
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
map.
You'll
see
that
tensory
that
turns
into
State
Road
40
is
at
46
45.
G
the
that
the
area,
including
University
School,
is
considered
part
of
the
urbanizing
area,
the
urbanized
area
of
Bloomington,
so
I'm.
You
know
I
want
to
note
that
this
is.
This
should
be
a
concern
for
us.
It
is
a
sign
that
we
need
to
think
harder
about
what
kind
of
housing
we
allow
and
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
get
over.
G
This
notion
that
there's
very
much
rurality,
left
anywhere
in
Monroe
County
I
mean
there
are
still
places
that
are,
but
if
we
don't
do
something
about
it,
they're
going
to
become
less
and
less
Rural,
and
so,
unless
we
do
more
to
increase
the
housing
stock,
we're
going
to
keep
seeing
reports
like
this
I
want
everyone
to
just
remember
that
Bloomington
is
a
metropolitan
area.
We
have
a
metropolitan
planning
Organization
for
the
purpose
of
transportation.
G
We
have
been
a
metropolitan
area
since
1980,
since
April
1980,
when
they
did
the
census,
then
that
was
the
same
day
that
breaking
away
won
the
Oscar
for
best
screenplay
and
breaking
away
is
nothing
if
not
a
story
about
a
small
town,
but
we
don't
live
in
that
small
town
anymore.
We
haven't,
since
they
won
the
Oscar
and
I
think
we
need
to
change
the
way
we
think
about
this
place,
that
has
homeless
people,
traffic
jams,
all
the
other
accoutrement
of
any
place
else
that
you
would
call
a
city.
A
Thank
you
and
I
will
finish
up.
I'd
like
to
extend
an
invitation
to
my
upcoming
constituent
meeting,
as
is
my
customer
will
be
the
first
Saturday
of
the
month.
That's
Saturday
July
1st
at
1
30
PM,
it's
conducted
via
Zoom.
If
you
go
to
sue
for
citycouncil.com,
there
will
be
a
big
button
there
that
says,
join
just
click
on
that
and
that'll
bring
you
into
the
meeting.
So
many
of
the
issues
we
discussed
focus
on
District
2
in
particular,
but
certainly
anyone
from
throughout
the
city
is
more
than
welcome.
A
H
Larry,
do
you
want
to
give
an
update
from
ESD
first
before
we
dive
into
a
discussion
of
options.
I
I
About
that
had
the
cough
the
cf1
that
they
filed
looks
substantially
similar
to
the
ones
they
filed
in
the
past,
except
for
an
increased
assessed.
Value
went
up
by
about
2
million.
The
new
employment
stayed
the
same,
which
is
four
new
employees
of
150
000.,
so
ESD
as
a
result
is
recommending
that
you
all
pass
a
resolution
of
waiving
non-compliance
and
to
allow
them
to
continue
on
with
their
abatement.
A
Okay
is
there
anyone
present
from
that
would
like
to
offer
comment
on
behalf
of
urban
station.
H
But
I
see
on
Zoom.
If
there
is
someone
here
from
Urban
station
online,
you
can
let
us
know
by
raising
your
hand,
and
we
will
recognize
you
suspect
we
don't
have
anyone
joining
us
and
I
will
note,
and
maybe
this
is
what
you
were
about
to
do
next,
any
interested
party
should
be
given
a
chance
to
speak
as
well.
I
want
to
comment
on
this.
H
Not
from
Urban
station,
perhaps
if
you're
all
right
with
extending
an
invite
to
any
other
interested
parties
who
might
want
to
comment
on
this.
This
filing,
please
let
us
know
by
using
the
raise
hand,
feature
you
can
find
that
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab.
F
Yes,
it's
my
understanding
and
my
memory
also
of
way
from
2016
that
this
tax
abatement
was
granted
in
in
lar
in
the
largest
part
because
of
the
affordable
housing,
the
15
units
of
Workforce
housing
that
were
included
so
it
my
interest.
My
main
interest
is
to
make
sure
that
those
15
units
are
still
affordable
or
Workforce
housing.
So
at
a
lease
rate
that
is
lower
than
market
rate,
do
we
have
confirmation
of
that.
A
If
not
I'll
thank
Mr
Allen
for
that
presentation,
and
then
we
will
Circle
back
to
this
issue
shortly.
When
we
look
at
resolutions
under
legislation
for
second
readings,
so
are
there
any
reports
from
Council
committees
seeing
none
that'll?
Take
us
to
our
first
of
two
periods
of
public
comment:
could
I
have
a
show
of
hands
in
Council
in
Chambers
of
who
would
like
to
offer
comment
I
see
two
Mr
Lucas
can
three
Mr
Lucas?
Can
you
extend
our
invitation
on
Zoom?
Please.
H
A
A
J
I'll
know
my
face
by
now.
You
should
have
received
an
email
from
me
overnight,
but
in
case
you
haven't
seen
it
yet.
I
want
to
extend
an
invitation
for
you
to
attend
a
town
hall
meeting
concerning
the
upcoming
proposal
to
permanently
close
Old
State
Road
37
through
lower
Cascades
Park.
This
town
hall
will
take
place
at
the
waterfall
shelter
in
the
park
on
Saturday
July
22nd
from
1
30
to
3.
J
J
I
would
request
that
you
RSVP
to
me
directly
at
the
information
provided
on
my
email
no
later
than
July
5th,
so
I
can
make
necessary
arrangements
for
this
meeting.
So
again,
that's
Saturday
July,
22nd,
1
30
pm
at
the
waterfall
shelter
in
lower
Cascades
Park.
Thank
you
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
there
and
I
apologize
that
I
can't
stay
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting
tonight.
Due
to
previous
plans,
I
really
enjoyed
last
week's
meeting.
Thank
you
thank.
A
K
K
K
K
A
K
K
L
K
M
A
K
I
refuse
to
State.
My
name
is
written
on
the
board
here,
I've
done
talk
to
Mr
Lucas
I.
Don't
really
have
to
give
that
if
I
don't
want
to
and
I
don't
want
to
for
the
reason
that
all
the
babies
that
are
murdered
in
this
country
every
year
by
abortions
and
all
the
stuff
that's
been
going
on,
you
know
them
little
babies
when
they're
murdered.
They
don't
have
a
name
headstone
funeral,
no
name
and
I'm,
not
even
better
than
babies.
I
support,
little
babies,
unborn
babies,
I
support
everybody's
living
and
they
don't
get
the
right.
K
They
don't
have
the
right,
they're
not
allowed
to
live
and
I'm,
not
giving
my
name
in
in
memory
and
dedication
of
them.
Babies
I'm
not
even
better
than
them
I'm.
Just
a
man
I've
got
four
children,
16
grandbabies
and
ran
out
of
time,
but
that's
why
and
I
will
and
I
will
never
bow
down
to
your
order.
Mrs
Sue
about
the
name,
I'm
going
to
write
it
down
here
and
that's
the
best
you're
going
to
get.
K
K
K
I
am
the
inspiration
for
which
Americans
American
Patriots
gave
their
lives
and
fortunes
I
have
led
your
sons
into
battle
from
Valley
Forge
to
the
bloody
Ridges
of
Korea
I,
walk
in
Silence,
with
each
of
your
honored
dead
to
their
final
resting
place
beneath
the
silent
white
crosses
row
upon
row.
I
have
flown
through
peace
and
War
Strife
into
prosperity,
and,
amidst
it
all
I
have
been
respected.
K
K
My
stars
clustered
together,
unified
50
states
as
one
for
God
and
Country
Oh
Glory
is
my
nickname
and
proudly
I
wave
on
high
honor
me
respect
me
defend
me
with
your
lives
and
your
fortunes.
Never
let
my
enemies
tear
me
down
from
my
lofty
position
lest
I,
never
returned
keep
Almighty
the
powers
of
patriotism,
strive
earnestly
for
the
spirit
of
democracy.
K
K
K
It
means
so
much
to
me,
and
you
know
another
reason
you
know
I
love
my
country
and
I
want
to
put
this
up
here,
but
I've
got
so
much
other
stuff
to
talk
about
I'm
going
to
have
to
come
back
next
time
for
part
two.
This
be
part.
One
I've
got
a
list
of
things
here
on
my
Palm
Pilot
that
I'll
have
to
resume.
There's
there's
just
so
much,
but
the
thing
that
really
bothers
me
that
bothered
me
for
a
few
weeks.
I
come
up
here
last
time.
K
I
can't
remember
the
date
it
was
on
a
Wednesday.
You
guys
have
your
meeting.
You
know
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
put
the
I
put
my
flag
up
here
that
I
highly
respect
and
love
that
thing
man,
my
poor,
my
four
children
they're
in
their
30s
and
40s
13,
grand
babies,
man,
they
all
love
this
country.
That's
why
I'm
up
here
I
want
to
show
them
that
I
support
with
that
and
they
can
carry
on
a
legacy
of
love
in
their
country.
K
All
my
kids
fly
their
Flags,
you
know,
but
last
time
I
was
up
here.
I
left
that
flag
and
as
I
was
leaving
Sue
was
saying
you
need
to
take
that
with
you,
like
you
was
offended
by
there.
It
wasn't
hurt
anything
sitting
there
I
wanted
to
leave
it
to
you
as
a
reminder,
Sue
of
how
much
I
love
my
country.
A
K
It
left
up
here
and
I
left
and
I
left
up
here,
and
you
said
take
that
with
you
and
I
said
no
I'm
just
going
to
leave
it
to
you
as
a
gift
and
I
wish.
I
would
have
took
it
with
me.
I
could
have
protected
it
because
when
I
left
I
walked
down
to
the
end
of
the
hallway
and
I
watched
through
the
window,
and
this
man
right
here,
Steve
bowling
come
up
here,
run
from
behind
this
thing
and
and
grab
that
flag
man
what'd
you
do
with
it.
Where
is
it?
K
A
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Daniel
Olson.
My
public
comment
will
be
a
lot
less
exciting.
I
can
promise
you
that
so
a
couple
things
to
touch
on
I
was
at
the
city
council
meeting
last
week
and
during
public
comment,
someone
brought
up
or
not
someone,
but
a
member
of
the
police
force
that
they're
having
a
tough
time,
hiring
police
officers
to
the
point.
Now
that
we're
seeing
a
shortage
short
understaffing
and
police
officers
are
having
to
work
harder.
N
This
is
a
kind
of
a
nationwide
issue.
Almost
all
Urban
mid-sized
towns,
metro
area
cities
are
having
problems.
N
Staffing
police
officers
and
I
also
make
it
to
like
a
broader
issue
of
we're
having
a
problem
just
Staffing,
First
Responders
in
general
and
I
know
since
George
Floyd.
You
know
when
the
positive
thing
that
came
out
of
the
George
Floyd
protest
is
the
realization
that
police
aren't
the
end-all,
be-all
solution
to
everything.
I
completely
agree
with
that.
N
However,
it
seems
to
we're
kind
of
in
a
reverse
moment
where
it
doesn't
seem,
like
our
local
governments,
especially
and
seem
to
really
put
emphasis
on
making
sure
that
our
First
Responders
they're
adequately
staffed
and
have
the
resources
they
need
to
the
point
now
that
they're
very
much
overworked-
and
this
isn't
just
Bloomington-
this
is
Indianapolis.
N
This
is
New
York,
this
Chicago
this
is
everywhere
and
I
would
remind
people,
especially
this
Council,
that
the
First
Responders
carried
this
country
during
covet
I
mean
and
their
morale
is
very
low
and
I
think
this
needs
to
be
a
top
priority.
Oh,
it's
brought
up
that
we're
having
staffing
issues,
we're
hiring
people
bringing
people
in
maybe
more
recruiting
whatever
needs
to
happen.
I
completely
agree
that
policing
can
be
the
end-all,
be-all
solution
to
everything.
Education
Health
Care.
There
are
other
ways
to
help
homeless
people
Etc
housing.
N
Pay
attention,
if
you
read
about
local
Minnesota
politics,
where
they
had
a
major
backlash
against
the
police
as
a
result
of
George
Floyd
and
their
city
council
is
under
a
lot
of
fire
just
just
for
how
they've
responded
and
providing
lack
of
resources
to
their
police
officers
and
just
be
clear:
I'm,
not
a
I'm,
not
a
tough
on
crime
person
at
all
I.
N
Just
it
kind
of
bothers
me
that
the
political
answer
to
what
happened
during
George
Floyd
was:
let's
just
do
a
180
and
not
really
care
all
about
First
Responders
or
put
any
emphasis
on
making
sure
our
First
Responders
have
the
resources
they
need
and
I
can't
think
of
any
taxpayers
who
genuinely
like
any
set
of
taxpayers
who
genuinely
want
that
and
whenever
I
come
to
things
like
this
I
would
say
this
I'm
speaking
as
a
taxpayer
lobbying
as
a
taxpayer.
N
That's
how
I
kind
of
view
it
so
I
think
this
should
be
a
priority.
Second
thing:
I
want
to
bring
up.
There
was
a
recent
article
in
the
last
week:
I
read
it
in
the
Associated
Press,
but
I
think
it
was
across
almost
all
major
news
groups
or
news
art
news
agencies,
but
eviction
notices
are
on
the
rise.
N
There's
a
lot
of
gridlock
in
the
federal
government
over
trying
to
solve
these
type
of
things
and
I
think
eviction
notices
and
even
if
we
also
see
if
we
see
the
end
of
student
loan
debt
payment,
if
we
they
have
to
start
paying
back
their
student
loans,
students
or
former
students
have
to
start
paying
back
their
student
loan
debts.
N
A
H
Yes,
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
still
joining
us
via
Zoom,
that
would
like
to
speak.
Please
let
us
know
by
raising
your
hand
in
Zoom,
which
you
can
do
by
clicking
the
raise
hand
button
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab.
You
can
also
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak.
A
A
B
D
A
B
G
I'd
like
to
move
that
Eliza
Carey
be
nominated
to
I,
don't
have
the
seat,
numbers
I'm,
afraid
C1
to
seat
C1
on
the
commission
of
the
status
of
women
and
Sophia
Amos
to
seat.
B
A
A
D
B
B
Resolution
2311
to
waive
non-compliance
of
the
new
Urban
station
LLC
concerning
a
previously
approved
real
property
tax
abatement.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
resolution
waves
non-compliance
with
the
filing
deadline
applicable
to
new
Urban
station
LLC
as
owner
of
property,
subject
to
a
real
property
tax
abatement.
A
I
Good.
Thank
you.
Council
president.
The
deadline
for
filing
compliance
documents
for
tax
abatements
that
are
granted
or
already
granted
such
as
this
one
for
urban
station,
is
typically
May
15th.
They
could
file
earlier
than
that,
but
that
the
final
deadline
is
May
15th
for
any
cf1,
which
is
what
was
called.
The
state
form
is
called
that
shows
a
compliance
with
the
tax
abatement
terms
and
conditions
that's
filed
after
May
15th
there
can
be
a
waiver
of
non-compliance,
but
under
Indiana
code,
6,
1.1,
12.1,
9.5
B.
I
That
has
to
be
done
by
a
resolution
of
the
legislative
body,
in
this
case
City
Council.
That
is
the
only
way
that
that
non-compliant
compliance
in
report,
although
very
breathily,
the
the
cf1
here
from
Urban
station,
was
not
filed
until
today.
Essentially,
we
received
it
today,
which
is
over
a
month
past
the
deadline.
I
However,
just
looking
at
the
cf-1
and
comparing
it
with
years
past,
we
see
that
it
matches
what
has
been
filed
in
the
past
in
terms
of
the
assessed
value,
the
the
amount
of
investment
put
into
this
property,
which
was
one
of
the
main
things
and
as
council
member
Piedmont
Smith
pointed
out
in
addition
to
having
affordable
housing
commitment
shows
that
this
one
is
substantially
in
line
with
what
they've
done
before
just
to
walk
you
through
the
the
assessed
value
that
they
had
pledged
upon.
Completion
of
this
project
was
14.5
million.
I
The
assessed
value
here
is
a
little
over
17
million
in
terms
of
employment.
They
have
new
employment
of
four
employees
of
a
salary
about
150
000
a
year
now
that
that
is
a
little
bit
different
than
had
been
done
a
few
years
ago,
and
that
is
in
part,
because
this
property
changed
ownership,
and
so
the
reporting
numbers
changed
slightly
so
in
the
under
the
original
ownership,
and
it
seemed
like
they
were
counting
employees
of
the
Chocolate,
Moose
and
so
retained
employment,
counted
chocolate,
mousse
employees,
as
we
know
the
chocolate
mousse
is
still
there.
I
They
still
have
all
those
employees,
but
under
the
new
ownership
they
have
not
counted
that
employment
as
part
of
this
document
for
their
tax
payment.
All
other
things
seem
to
be
in
line.
We
have
communicated
with
them,
are
concern
over
The
Late
filing
and
our
expectation
that
in
going
forward,
this
never
happens
again
in
terms
of
options.
Of
course,
this
council
could
pass
this
resolution
and
waive
non-compliance
which
allows
this
cf-1
to
go
to
the
auditor
and
allow
Urban
station
to
claim
their
tax
abatement
for
this
year.
I
However,
if
the
council
chooses
it
could
also
do
nothing,
which
means
that
Urban
station
would
lose
its
tax
abatement
for
this
year,
they
they
wouldn't
have
a
complying
document
and
therefore
they
would
not
be
able
to
claim
their
tax
abatement
for
this
year
and,
of
course,
there
is
other
resolutions
out
there
that
that
the
council
could
consider
fully
terminating
the
abatement.
But
City
staff's
recommendation
is
to
pass
the
resolution
of
Notch
clients
and
to
move
forward
with
legislation
happy
to
answer
any
other
question.
C
C
I
There
there
was,
and
Mr
Lucas
after
the
last
meeting,
had
put
out
a
formal
notice
to
let
them
know
that
there
would
be
a
public
hearing.
One
of
the
challenges
we
had
is
getting
through
just
to
be
to
be
completely
transparent,
is
getting
through
to
the
appropriate
people
to
take
action
on
this
form,
and
so
that
that
we
tried
going
through
the
listed
contacts
and
we
had
no
success.
So
we
we
ended
up
going
a
little
higher
in
the
chain.
Unfortunately
they
weren't
able
to
make
it
tonight.
I
C
Well,
that's,
okay.
I
was
curious
as
to
why
they
didn't
come,
so
it
sounds
Mr
Allen
as
though
you
had
to
work
hard
to
to
to
to
to
find
the
proper
representative,
which
is
also
a
curiosity.
C
About
the
sincerity
of
of
of
of
of
this,
so
no
I,
I
I'll,
leave
it
at
that
you're
right
I'm
in
the
common
territory.
Thank
you,
Mr
Allen,
additional
questions.
A
If
not
I'll
like,
if
not
I'll,
actually
ask
Mr
Allen
did
aside
from
the
change
in
ownership
that
you
alluded
to,
were
there
any
explanations
offered
for
why
the
form
was
a
month
past
due.
I
Ly
my
understanding
is
this
is
actually
unusual
arrangement
for
this
company,
so
they
bought
this
property,
but
they
don't
have
a
lot
of
properties
that
are
subject
to
these
types
of
tax,
abatements
and
affordability,
commitments
and
so
they've
kind
of
been
operating
on
a
as
we
ping
them.
They've
responded
so,
for
instance,
and
just
in
terms
of
highlighting
some
of
the
other
compliance
that
they
did,
which
I
mentioned
earlier
is
that
they
did
comply
with
report
for
affordable
housing
this
year.
I
They
also
complied
with
certifying
living
wage
wage
ordinance
earlier
this
year
and
they
got
back
to
us.
So,
for
whatever
reason,
this
is
a
particular
is
not
part
of
their
mechanized
system
or
reminder
system
within
their
hierarchy,
we're
going
to
push
on
them
and
we
have
been
pushing
on
them
to
this
needs
to
change.
A
Could
you
to
follow
up
on
that?
Could
you
speak
to
what
we
did
do
to
try
and
bring
them
into
compliance
or
get
them
to
submit
a
form.
I
So,
every
year
around
March,
typically
the.
I
Isrosa
send
a
letter
to
all
recipients
of
tax
abatements
that
are
active
to
remind
them
that
the
form
is
going
to
be
due
to
remind
them
where
the
form
is
and
then
even
at
this
year
as
normal
and
then
there's
usually
a
follow-up
email
that
gets
sent
once
we
were
flagged
that
they
had
not
yet
filed
anything
past
the
deadline,
we
started
calling
leaving
messages
and
then
finally,
you
know,
came
to
the
legal
department
and
and
to
Steven's
attention.
I
Of
course,
the
council's
attorney
I
drafted
an
email,
just
kind
of
summarizing
what
had
happened
or
what
was
about
to
happen
last
week,
what
we
we
had,
we
hadn't
received
a
form,
the
kind
of
the
options
under
the
statute
to
tell
them
that
they
were
in
danger
potentially
for
a
year
and
then
to
get
compliance.
Mr
Lucas
after
the
meeting
as
I
mentioned,
filed
a
formal
notice
of
the
public
hearing
which
occurred
this
evening.
I
In
addition,
we
continue
to
call
and
then
finally,
the
director
Alex
Crowley,
reached
out
to
an
executive
who
was
formerly
with
this
company,
but
had
contacts
still
and
and
then
through
that
we
were
able
to
get
a
hold
of
one
of
the
vice
presidents
today,
which
was
a
little
higher
than
what
we
had
been
operating
at
I,
had
been
working
with
the
accounting
department
and
trying
to
go
through
the
the
stated
points
of
contact.
Alex
went
more
to
the
executive
level
and
we
got
some
movement.
I
They,
when,
whenever
we've
talked
to
them
in
terms
of
talking
to
them,
they
were
very
happy
to
to
fill
out
the
form
I
think
they
were
just
confused
as
to
what
they
needed
to
do
and
I
think
once
we
have
maybe
a
broader
conversation
with
them
about
this
process
every
year.
The
deadlines
that
are
involved,
I
I,
would
look
forward
to
not
having
this
level
of
involvement
in.
G
Yeah
I
mean
because
they
seem
to
have
been
lacks
in
their
attention.
I
also
have
to
wonder
how
do
we
know
that
they're
in
compliance?
How
do
we
know
that
they're
renting
apartments
at
the
rates
that
we're
expecting
them
to
assert
that
certain
percentage
is
there
any
kind
of
independent
audit
of
their
their
rents?.
I
My
understanding
council
member
Bowen,
as
that
goes
through
the
hand
Department
that
did
occur
this
year
and
that
the
hand
Department
did
verify
that
those
are
happening
in
terms
of,
if
you
mean
independent
audits,
outside
of
City
staff,
I,
don't
I'm
not
aware
of
any
and
certainly
I'm
happy
to
get
you
more
information
from
the
hand
staff
in
terms
of
what
they
received
and
how
they
do.
Those
kind
of
checks.
I
know
that
that's
part
of
all
of
the
properties
that
we
have
affordable
housing
problems.
G
No
I
I
did
mean
independent
of
the
owner
itself,
but,
as
a
matter
of
that
course,
do
they
check
all
the
rents
or
just
the
rents
of
the
like.
How
do
they
know
what
market
rate
is?
How
do
they
know
what
you
know?
How
do
they
just
like?
Do
they
do
they
get
all
the
rents
in
that
building
or
just
the
ones
that
are
subject
to
this
abatement.
I
I'm
not
sure
the
answer
to
that
I.
There's
a
city
staff
doing
this
review.
I
I
know
that
they
would
at
least
get
the
rents
and
the
charge
rates
because
hand
is
actually
sets
has
to
give
everybody
what
the
appropriate
Ami
percentage
runs
are
for
any
given
year.
So
that's
why
they
do
that
that
particular
review
of
those
affordable
units
I,
am
not
sure
how
broad
that
review
is
for
all
of
the
apartments
I'm
happy
to
try
to
get
that
answer.
For
you.
Thank.
D
A
A
D
G
D
G
G
You
know
that
I'm
just
torn
as
to
whether
or
not
I
want
to
vote
for
this
or
not
because
I
find
it
to
be
off-putting
and
a
precedent.
Setting
and
God
knows:
we've
punished
people
with
less
means
for
far
less
infringement.
So
this
is
a
privilege
not
a
right,
and
you
know
I'm
I'm.
They
didn't
even
deign
to
send
a
representative
remotely
to
address
this
I.
Just
don't
think
that's
acceptable
behavior.
C
I
share
councilmember,
Valens
sentiments
and
but
I
did
want
to
say
that
it's.
This
is
not
a
reflection
on
Mr,
Allen
or
Mr
Crowley
for
their
efforts
to
help
them
comply,
I
appreciate
their
their
work
and
and
so
I'm
torn
as
well
I'm
inclined
to
vote
no,
but
again
it's
not
a
reflection
of
staff.
I
appreciate
what
they've
done.
Thank
you.
A
Finish
up
seeing
no
further
comments.
I'll
add
I'm
voting
no
on
resolution
2311.
by
my
count
during
Mr
Allen's
comments.
I
got
the
sense
that
at
least
four
or
five
or
six
times
there
was
an
effort
to
follow
up
with
this
organization
at
multiple
levels.
It
also
does
concern
me
that
there
there
was
no
appearance
tonight,
either
virtually
or
otherwise.
A
G
That
in
case
there
was
any
doubt,
I
I
did
not
want
to
cast
any
aspersions
on
staff.
I,
don't
think
it
was
staff's
problem
at
all.
I
think
they
did
what
they
were
supposed
to
do,
that
this
is
purely
about
oh
there's,
a
hand
raise
up
there,
there's
purely
about
the
behavior
of
the
beneficiary
of
the
tax
abatement.
Thank
you
thank.
E
I
think
I
just
want
to
weigh
in
I
agree
with
what
everyone
has
said
tonight.
I
think
you
know
we
just
raise
taxes
on
our
residents
and
we're
always
needing
more
money
like
we're,
always
at
a
deficit
of
what
we
want
to
get
done
and
like.
We
can't
afford
I
think
to
like
let
someone
not
follow
the
rules
and
miss
out
on
those
dollars,
so
I
plan
to
vote
no.
A
I
I
A
I
It
would
apply
to
no
no
vote
on
either
of
these
I'm
sorry,
presidents
gamble
Larry.
O
A
O
Just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
what
kind
of
you
know
physical,
we're
talking
about,
and
no
I'm
inclined
to
write
vote,
no
as
well
I.
Just
thought
I
would
try
to
quantify
that
for
us.
Thank.
G
I,
don't
know
that
we
got
an
answer
to
councilmember
Smith's
question
about
what
the
the
cash
value
the
actual
dollar
value
would
be.
It's
30
percent
of
their
abatement.
But
do
we
know
how
much
the
abatement
was,
how
much
that
30
percent
amounted
to
does?
Do
you
either
Mr,
Allen
or
Mr
Lucas?
Have
that.
I
I
So
the
30
percent
goes
to
the
the
assessed
value
which
reduces
the
assessed
value
and
then
the
taxes
are
assessed
at
the
net
assessed
value.
So
yeah.
G
It
would
be
the
taxes
on
5.4
million,
that's
right,
okay,
so
whatever
they
would
pay
in
tax
on
5.4
million.
Let's
assume
it's
three
percent
or
two:
is
it
two
or
three
percent.
I
G
No,
no!
It's
fifteen
thousand
well
like
fifteen
to
sixteen
thousand
dollars.
Okay!
Thank
you,
Mr
Allen.
Thank
you.
C
Yes,
Mr
Allen,
could
you
remind
me
was
that
a
10-year
abatement
extending
from
2016
so
are
there,
including
this
year,
are
the
three
three
years
remaining
in
of
the
duration
yeah?
Thank
you.
G
Would
like
to
I
would
not
like
well.
I
would
like
to
be
a
fly
on
the
wall,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
the
employee
who
messed
up
and
cost
their
company
sixteen
thousand
dollars.
But
that
sounds
like
what
the
the
value
of
this
abatement
is
to
the
company
and
yeah
I.
Don't
have
any
compunction
about
voting.
No.
Thank
you.
A
Seeing
none
our
clerk
is
not
here.
Would
anyone
like
to
create
a
diversion
for
a
moment
so.
A
C
Just
you
know
there's:
this
has
been
a
good
debate
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
president
of
of
this
as
well
that
you
know
that
we
can't
be
lacks
and
or
we
can't
allow
this-
this
sort
of
Lex,
behavior
and
and
have
staff
time
occupied
with
you
know,
pleading
for
people
who
have
a
financial
gain
to
you
know
to
make
up
the
forms
that
are
required
for
their
own
abatement.
C
That
just
seems
completely
backward.
So
the
precedent
is
part
of
this
too
for
the
record,
and
that
was
enough
to
bring
our.
F
F
F
Also,
the
fact
that
nobody
from
the
company
is
here
we
had
a
public
hearing
on
their
tax
abatement
and
they
were
not
concerned
enough
to
send
anybody
I
mean
from
any
level
of
their
organization
to
attend
our
meeting.
So
I'm
disappointed
in
that
as
well.
So
I
feel
like
we.
We
do
need
to
be
strict
about
this
particular
Rule
and
hopefully,
next
year.
They'll
do
better.
D
A
C
L
A
Okay,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
enter.
No,
no
sorry,
sorry,
madam
clerk,
will
you
please
call
the
roll
on
the
motion
to
introduce.
O
D
F
Wait,
don't
we
need
to
take
this
from
the
table
rather
than
oh.
A
C
A
That
passes,
7-0
ordinance,
2310
is
taken
from
the
table.
We
have
had
a
presentation
on
this
already
I
believe
Ms
Scanlon
is
already
here
all
right.
Did
you
have
additional
presentation
you
wanted
to
make
or.
M
Don't
know
if
Mr
Vol
and
Jackie
Scanlon
development
services,
manager,
planning
and
transportation
one
of
the
things
that
was
to
happen
after
the
last
presentation
was
that
it
was
going
to
go
to
the
parking
commission.
So
it
did
do
that.
I
made
a
presentation
at
one
meeting
and
then
it
went
to
a
second,
the
first
meeting
on
the
25th
of
May
and
then
the
second
meeting
on
the
8th
of
June.
M
They
considered
a
memo
to
support
the
ordinance
accepting
the
three
uses
that
we
had
increased
the
maximum
but
were
not
able
to
come
to
a
quorum
agreement
on
that
memo.
So
that's
all
I
know
about
its
appearance.
At
parking,
commission
and
Mr
foland
may
be
able
to
answer
more
questions
on
that
yeah.
That's
all.
C
F
And
let
me
open
it
up
here,
okay,
so
this
amendment
addresses
the
maximum
vehicle
parking
allowance
for
restaurants,
which
currently,
in
our
municipal
code,
is
10
spaces
per
1000
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area
for
indoor
seating.
F
The
ordinance
2310
would
increase
that
to
15
spaces,
but
this
amendment
would
remove
that
change,
so
it
would
keep
it
at
10
spaces
per
1000
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area,
and
the
reasoning
is
that
there's
currently
no
different
parking
maximum
for
a
restaurant.
F
That's
located
near
public
parking
versus
a
restaurant
where
there's
no
public
parking
nearby,
and
so,
if
there's
public
parking
nearby,
it
could
well
be
quite
sufficient
to
have
10
spaces
per
1000
square
feet
and
where
there's
no
public
parking
or
where
the
owner
of
the
restaurant
feels
that
they
need
more
parking
than
the
10
per
thousand
square
feet.
They
could
still
request
a
variance
as
a
few
restaurants
have
done
so.
I
think
it's
better
to
err
on
the
side
of
not
having
a
lot
of
unnecessary
paved
surface
and
and
so
not
changing
that
maximum.
M
We
are
fine
with
that
Amendment.
We,
you
know,
explained
last
time
why
we
were
proposing
the
increase.
You
know
if
we
continue
to
see
issues
with
potential
uses
that,
for
some
reason,
can't
meet
a
variance
requirement
and
then
it's
hindering
development
we'll
bring
it
back.
C
A
A
P
Good
evening,
Madam
president,
this
is
Christopher
mg
from
the
greater
Bloomington
Chamber
of
Commerce
I
spoke
about
this
issue.
Last
time
it
came
up.
We
were
in
full
support
of
the
current
language
and
not
the
amendment
as
proposed.
The
Odo
changes
come
from
full
support
from
the
planned
commission
and
8-0
vote,
so
it
was
unanimous
in
nature.
This
was
deliberated
over
two
months
and
this
constitutes
the
public
weighing
in
just
a
reader
as
a
member
of
the
parking
commission.
P
According
to
the
memo
that
you
received
in
your
packet,
the
parking
commission
considered
but
ultimately
did
not
adopt
a
resolution
recommended
that
the
parking
number
should
not
be
changed
for
restaurants
and
fitness
uses.
That
resolution
failed.
So
it's
important
to
note
that
not
one
but
two
bodies
decided
against
this
particular
Amendment
and,
as
I
sort
of
pointed
out
last
time
on
why
those
parking
maximums
should
be
increased
and
I.
Think
Ms
Scanlon
brought
that
up
last
time
is
the
current
maximums
or
other
communities
minimums.
P
We
are
a
progressive
community
and
I
think
we
continue
to
be
with
the
changes
of
this
Udo,
which
adds
very
sensible
maximum
to
where
they
are
not
and
increases
those
parking
maximums,
which
many
of
these
eateries
are
not
within
the
central
Corridor,
where
public
parking
is
available.
P
One
of
the
things
that
it
comes
across,
as
is
a
punitive
nature
of
this
amendment,
that
it's
kind
of
punishing
councils
and
planned
commissions
have
passed
for
too
much
Park,
in
which
I
think
we
agree
that
there
was
too
much
of
those
imperious
service
Labs,
but
that's
not
how
we
should
legislate
today,
we
should
be
practical
going
to
the
board
of
zoning.
Appeals
is
cumbersome.
If
you
look
at
their
agenda.
Those
are
four
hour
meetings.
I've
had
to
testify
at
those
particular
meetings
to
get
variances.
P
They
are
not
fast,
they
are
not
quick,
they
are
very
deliberate,
they
do
a
great
job,
but
this
is
not
a
means
for
doing
this:
debt
for
each
and
every
Park,
and
that
needs
to
be
over
the
current
maximum
and
I
wanted
to
to
point
out
that
you
know
with
all
the
restaurants
not
being
pedestrian
friendly.
There's
not
bike
paths
to
make
it
easy
to
get
there,
and
this
is
important
for
not
just
the
patrons,
but
the
people
who
work
there.
P
It
has
to
be
convenient
for
them
to
make
a
living
and
that's
what
should
be
thought
about.
I
mean
I,
hear
a
day
in
on
these
meetings
from
traffic.
Commissioner
Greg
Alexander
about
the
starry
state
of
our
sidewalks,
our
bike
paths
well,
I
think
they're,
probably
still
sorry,
if
we
are
listening
to
him,
parking
is
needed
for
making
the
needs
of
these
businesses
for
both
their
patrons
and
the
people
that
work
there.
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
tonight.
A
G
Right,
it's
rare
that
I
disagree
with
my
esteemed
colleague
from
the
plan.
Commission,
the
parking
commission,
Mr
mg,
but
I
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
subtleties
in
the
statement
he
made.
While
the
plan
commission
did
endorses
eight
zero,
the
parking
commissions
considered,
but
always
did
not
adopt
a
resolution,
recommending
that
the
parking
numbers
should
not
be
changed
for
restaurant
and
fitness
center
uses.
The
resolution
failed
four
one
three,
so
there
were
three
abstentions,
there's
at
least
one.
G
Maybe
two
new
members
of
the
commission
but
I
just
don't
think
it
says
resounding
a
no
as
the
yes
was
from
the
plan.
Commission
I
also
don't
think
that
the
plan
commission
has
as
its
primary
objective,
considering
the
role
of
parking
and
as
we'll
see
in
the
the
resolution
that
I'm
presenting
tonight.
The
way
we've
thought
about
parking
has
changed
dramatically
in
the
past.
G
You
know
10
20
years,
but
having
said
that,
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
dramatic
change
and
to
be
fair,
I'll
just
say
that
I
voted
for
it.
So
if
we
take
my
vote
away,
it
was
still
and
if
we
don't
count
Mr
mg's
vote,
he
opposed
it.
It
was
303
for
the
remainder
of
the
the
parking
Commissioners.
So
I
just
think
that's
a
more
ambivalent
assertion
there,
I
I
know
it's
also
brought
on
relatively
short
notice.
We
didn't
we
weren't
consulted
before
it
was.
G
It
came
to
us
on
June,
8th,
so
I
would
urge
members
to
to
take
that
with
a
grain
of
salt.
But
having
said
that,
I
did
vote
for
that
resolution.
I
do
support
this
amendment.
I.
Don't
think
it's
a
dramatic
difference
either
way.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
at
least
two
of
the
three
applicants
for
to
the
bza
for
that
parking
were
chain.
G
G
You
know
as
a
that
they're
doing
business
I,
don't
know
that
necessarily
means
that
we
should
make
it
easier
for
more
land
to
be
covered
by
asphalt.
So
those
are
those
are
some
of
my
thoughts.
Thank
you.
C
Miss
Scanlon,
so
the
the
plan
commission
advised
the
increase
from
10
to
15
spaces
per
thousand
square
feet
for
restaurants.
You,
you,
staff,
recommended
that
is
that
correct
and
now
you've
reversed
and
said
you're
in
favor
of
going
back
to
10.
M
M
Okay,
we
propose
the
15,
because
we've
seen
multiple
variances
for
restaurants,
kind
of
as
Mr
mg
pointed
out
that
aren't
located
in
areas
where
shared
parking
or
street
parking
or
public
parking
opportunities
are
available,
so
they
have
to
support
all
of
their
own
parking
on
site.
M
So
when
we
have
particular
uses
that
seem
to
have
variances
come
up
over
and
over
related
to
a
certain
dimensional
standard
or
parking
standard
in
this
case-
and
we
can
see
that
we're
tracking
those
and
that
maybe
those
numbers
are
inadequate
for
some
reason,
then
we
will
look
to
see
if
that
needs
to
be
changed.
So
in
this
instance
also,
as
Mr
mg
pointed
out
when
the
maximums
were
first
created,
you
know
a
number
of
years
ago.
Many
of
them
were
just
changed
from
the
minimums,
so
the
number
is
fairly
low.
M
We
have
heard
from
other
members
of
the
public
for
other
potential
developments
that
the
numbers
are
low
for
this
particular
use.
So
we
felt
comfortable
increasing
that
number.
Something
we've
discussed
when
Miss
Piedmont
Smith
came
to
us
and
said
I
may
do
an
amendment
here
was
that
we
may
need
to
look.
We
may
need
to
parse
restaurant
size.
M
The
restaurants
that
really
are
hurt
by
the
number
are
ones
that
don't
require
a
large
building,
because
that's
where
you're
deriving
your
parking
from
so
restaurants
that
are
going
into
large
buildings,
the
number
is
adequate
at
10,
but
most
of
the
developments
we
see
are
small
buildings,
so
we
may
actually
need
to
parse
the
proposal
for
you
next.
You
know
when
we
come
with
our
updates
next
year
and
have
a
different
number
for
large
and
small.
M
The
only
variances
we've
seen
thus
far
are
for
smaller
buildings,
and
so
that
may
be
something
kind
of
more
fine-grained
that
we
need
to
get
into.
So
we
decided
at
the
department
that
we
wouldn't
you
know,
recommend
against
the
amendment,
because
there
may
be
some
more
fine-grained
work
that
could
be
done
to
address
the
concerns
that
we
saw
with
the
variances.
C
I
see
so
it's
a
very
dynamic
situation,
but
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
disenfranchising,
smaller
restaurants.
So
could
one
one
last
question
during
the
playing
commission:
were
there
public
that
came
to
support
the
15,
the
increase,
whether
with
a
restaurant
owners
or
where
they're.
M
Plan
we
did
not
have
much
public,
yes,
so
at
the
first
Hearing
in
so
Mr
Smith
can
weigh
in
as
well.
At
the
first
hearing
we
had
one
very
vocal
for
some
other
uses
and
then
at
the
second
hearing
I,
don't
believe
we
had
any
public
comment
related
to
the
parking
maximums.
L
G
G
That
there's
it's
just
a
few
I
mean
three
literally
three.
Is
that
really
a
significant
number.
M
Of
new
restaurants
that
we've
seen
bill
go
in
build
and
go
in
under
the
new
rules
that
sorry
build
and
open.
You
know
actual
restaurant
development
with
these
numbers
without
requesting
appearance.
You
know
so
three
does
sound
like
a
small
number,
but
it's
not
like
we've
seen
20
new
restaurant
buildings
built
in
the
last
three
years.
We've
we
haven't
seen
much.
G
I
mean
that's
literally
one
restaurant
a
year,
that's
coming
and
asking
for
more
parking.
I
mean
we're
in
a
I,
keep
coming
back
to
our
comprehensive
plan.
We
have
this
this
goal
of
trying
to
mitigate
climate,
and
so
Paving
I
mean
maybe
I,
don't
know.
If
the
restaurant
that's
applying
for
the
parking
is
creating
new
parking
or
is
simply
repurposing
existing
asphalt.
Do
we
have
any
sense
of
of
that.
M
It
it
would
be
in
those
particular
cases,
I
think
it's
different
in
each,
but
it
would.
The
change
would
allow
for
either.
So
the
change
would
allow
for
new
asphalt
if
the
restaurant
was
currently.
You
know
a
green
space
right.
G
So
that's
my
other
cons
that
might
you
know,
besides
the
the
just
sort
of
un,
unconsidered
desire
for
parking
perception
of
of
need
for
parking.
There's
the
I
mean
if,
if
this
is
results
in
new
asphalt
being
laid,
doesn't
that
go
against
our
plan.
M
Well,
I
won't
give
my
Wii
Balance
priorities.
Speech
like
I
did
last
time,
but
I
mean
we
have
to
have.
We
have
to
have
some
parking
right.
We
we
have
to
offer
parking.
We
know
that's
a
reality,
so
some
asphalt
is
going
to
be
laid.
We
obviously,
of
course,
also
have
a
lot
of
goals
related
to
sustainability
in
protecting
Green
Space,
one
of
which,
for
example,
impervious
surface
coverage
that
that
isn't
changing,
but
we
do
also
use
these
parking
maximum
numbers
to
keep
down
asphalt.
O
Thank
you,
I
was
on
a
planned
commission
and
you
know
it
was
just
an
idea
of
I.
Think,
along
with
you
that
it
was
to
help
promote
business
in
the
community
and
make
it
easier
for
smaller
businesses
to
serve
their
customers.
I
guess
the
question
I
would
have
is:
oh,
we
don't
really
have
a
solid.
We
don't
have
really
evidence
or
data
to
suggest
that
15
is
better
than
10.
O
Really
do
we
I
mean
so
the
idea
was
to
assist
businesses
so
I
I
think
that's
what
what
you
were
thinking
I
think
that's
what
the
planned
commission
was
thinking
when
we
had
a
discussion
at
that
point.
O
So
I
guess
I
didn't
really
have
a
great
question,
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
think
out
loud
with
Miss
Scanlon.
So
thank
you.
C
On
how
you
deliberated
and
why
so,
restaurants,
without
public
parking
available,
this
affects
small
restaurants,
find
it
restrictive,
and
yet
the
comprehensive
plan
directs
us
to
minimize
imperfia's
surface
of
the
three
variance
requests
over
four
years:
were
they
granted
by
the
bza?
M
So
you
for
anyone
who's
watching
at
home,
you
know
variances
aren't
just
oh.
This
is
going
to
be
hard
for
me
to
run
my
business
I
need
more
parking.
You
have
to
demonstrate
that
the
parcel
you're
on
is
restricted
in
such
a
way.
It's
peculiar
in
such
a
way
that
that
the
that
you
need
relief
from
that,
so
the
three
locations
were
able
to
do
that.
Okay,.
F
F
That,
as
was
given
in
the
rationale
for
this
amendment,
there
is
no
distinguishing
in
the
Udo
between
restaurants
that
are
near
public
parking
or
and
or
in
the
downtown
and
restaurants
that
are
nowhere
near
public
parking.
So
in
the
interest
of
the
goals
that
we
lay
out
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
I
thought
it
best
to
err
on
the
side
of
less
parking
so
that
there's
no
unnecessary
Paving
happening
where
it's
close
to
a
public
parking
facility,
such
as
perhaps
in
Hopewell,
where
the
parking
garage
is
the
only
thing
left.
F
Standing
right
now,
in
my
view,
is
better
to
err
on
the
side
of
of
less
parking
and
since
the
parking
rules
apply
equally
throughout
the
city
and
then
those
areas
where
there's
really
no
on-street
parking
or
no
parking
garage
or
anything
and
that
have
the
small
footprint
that
Miss
Scanlon
mentioned,
could
go
through
the
variance
process.
Now.
Another
way
to
do
that
would
be
to
have
separate,
separate,
Maxima
and
just
say
you
know
the
ones
downtown
have
this
maximum
the
ones
Within.
F
What
100
feet
of
public
parking
have
this
maximum
and
others
have
a
different
one.
So
if
this
amendment
fails,
then
perhaps
that
would
be
another
approach
to
take,
but
in
at
this
at
this
point,
I
of
course
support
the
amendment
and
if
it
continues
to
be
a
problem,
I'm
sure
the
staff
will
bring
that
problem
back
to
our
attention.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
It's
been
a
good
discussion.
I
appreciate
Mr
mg's
comment,
but
I
am
inclined
to
support
the
amendment.
I
think
Ms
ganlin
alluded
to
what
council
member
Piedmont
Smith
mentioned
that
perhaps
an
increase
in
parking
maximums
need
to
be
fine-tuned
and
apparently
demonstrated
by
the
variance
request
being
approved.
A
C
A
G
I
think
that
everything
about
this
ordinance
is
an
exercise
in
questioning
our
assumptions.
Do
we
really
have
to
have
parking?
I
mean?
That's
a
that's,
not
an
absolute
I
think,
that's
a
mistake.
We've
made
for
20
30
50
years
that
somehow
parking
was
an
end
in
itself
and
the
only
way
to
move
people
around
is
to
make
sure
there's
plenty
of
parking.
I.
Think
it's
the
point
of
a
lot
of
work.
G
We've
been
doing
objectively
as
a
city
to
question
assumptions
like
that
in
our
comprehensive
plan
in
the
Udo,
because
we
also
know
that
parking
begets
parking
and
that
we
should
be
looking
not
only
to
find
other
ways
to
move
people
around,
but
to
maybe
find
ways
to
make
our
city
more
compact,
so
that
there's
less
demand
for
parking.
It's
just
not
and
then
in
itself
and
it's
important
to
assist
the
businesses,
but
it
can't
be
the
sole
consideration
for
the
planned
commission.
G
You
know
we
trust
that
the
plan
Commission
deliberates
in
the
context
of
the
plan
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
so
the
plan
doesn't
doesn't
just
say.
Well,
we
have
to
help
businesses
by
providing
more
parking.
I.
Don't
mean
to
be
crass
about
it.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
considerations
in
the
plan.
This
is
just
one
of
them,
but
councilmember
Smith
noted
the
plan.
G
Commission
just
didn't
think
particularly
deeply
about
this
one
point
in
a
raft
of
a
hundred
or
more
changes
to
the
Udo,
even
though
it's
sort
of
a
a
straightforward
change,
that's
basically
introducing
a
bunch
of
new
maximums
where
there
were
no
limit
before
and
that's
why
the
ordinance
itself
is
a
very
good
change.
G
I
can
unders
I'm,
not
surprised
that
this
sort
of
escaped
notice,
I,
don't
expect
everyone
to
catch
everything
but
I'm
glad
we
had
this
conversation
now.
Also
I'm
very
encouraged
by
the
I
mean
before
we
adopted
the
the
new
Udo,
the
most
recent
Udo.
We
never
Revisited
it.
It
was
like
set
in
stone
and
now
staff
is
revisiting
the
Udo
on
a
regular
basis.
G
Mr
Robinson
is
teeing
up
revisions
to
the
Udo
in
the
same
way
that
Susie
Johnson,
the
former
public
works
director
teed
up
Provisions
title
15
vehicles
and
traffic.
They
were
regular,
infrequent,
maybe
not
as
regular
as
as
Public
Works.
Back
then
did.
G
But
you
know
like
we
should
have
been
revising
the
Udo
more
in
the
first
place,
but
it
needed
enough
of
an
overhaul,
that's
just
as
well
that
we
waited
until
afterwards
to
start
revising
it
in
Earnest,
but
we
are
doing
that
and
so,
if
we
can
find
a
more
granular
solution
that
will
Aid
certain
restaurants
without
compromising
our
our
goals
and
maybe
reduce
the
amount
of
time
spent
at
bza.
I
want
to
encourage
that
and
I've
been
happy
to
have
any
discussion
with
anybody.
Who'd
like
to
talk
about
that.
I.
E
D
A
That
passes
five
seven.
Thank
you.
Everyone
and
I
believe
we
have
five
two,
what
did
I
say:
five,
seven,
which
doesn't
even
add
up
sorry,
okay,
five,
two
and
I
believe
we
have
Amendment
two
now.
F
Currently
in
the
ordinance,
it
is
one
space
per
four
seats
in
the
stadium,
and
this
amendment
would
decrease
that
to
one
space
per
eight
seats,
and
this
is
based
on
largely
on
the
chart
that
was
presented
in
May,
where
we
saw
examples
of
other
stadiums
in
other
Indiana
cities
that
had
a
lot
fewer
than
one's
parking
space
per
eight
seats,
and
so
I
I,
don't
see
that
we
would
need
more
parking
than
this.
F
Furthermore,
per
our
comprehensive
plan,
we
really
should
be
encouraging
structured
parking
for
any
large
gathering
places
such
as
a
stadium,
and
finally,
I
would
like
to
mention
that
IU
is
exempt
from
this.
So
it
seems
very
unlikely
we
would
have
any
Stadium
built.
That's
not
an
IU,
related
Stadium,
but
just
in
case
I,
think
it's
it's
more
wise
to
limit
the
parking
in
a
more
limit,
the
parking
more
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
than
what
is
in
the
ordinance.
Thank
you
thank.
M
Amendment
as
well
as
we
talked
about
last
time,
there
were
a
couple
of
typos
in
the
table
that
council
person,
Piedmont
Smith,
was
referencing,
so
you
know
the
number
of
spaces,
for
example
at
the
Kokomo
Municipal
Stadium
under
the
proposal,
it's
a
4,
000
seat
stadium,
so
that
would
the
proposal
would
allow
1
000
parking
spaces
and,
as
we
said
last
time,
that
means
ground
level
parking
space
is
not
structured,
so
that
is
a
that's.
M
A
lot
of
parking,
so
moving
to
eight
would
obviously
cut
that
in
half
at
500,
which
is
still
quite
a
bit.
That
was
one
use
that
we
had
gotten
some
public
feedback
on
at
the
first
hearing
so
yeah.
We
we
think
that
that's
reasonable
and
agree
that
as
much
as
we
can
in
some
incremental
ways
pushing
larger
developments
toward
structured
parking
is
is
good
to
further
some
of
the
comprehensive
plan
goals
related
to
land
use.
G
In
front
of
me,
but
I
recall
that
the
four
stadia
that
were
mentioned
in
Indiana,
Indiana
of
all
places
had
parking
figures
that
were
in
order
of
magnitude
lower
than
one
in
four
or
even
one
in
eight.
Why
so
modest?
To
change?
Why
not
one
in
forty.
F
I,
don't
have
a
good
response
to
that.
I
felt
like
cutting
it
in
half
was
a
good
starting
point.
If
anybody
wanted
to
cut
it
further,
they
could
have
done
their
own
amendment,
I
suppose.
G
D
L
F
I,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
allowing
me
to
just
point
out
so
the
municipal
stadium
in
Kokomo
that
Miss
Scanlon
pointed
out
there
was
a
typo.
It
would
allow.
A
thousand
spaces
would
be
allowed
because
there's
four
thousand
seats
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
F
It
actually
only
has
63
surface
parking
spaces,
so
it
has,
as
councilmember
Boland
said,
exponentially
smaller
amount
than
what
is
allowed,
so
it
would
under
the
new
proposal,
a
stadium
with
4
000
seats
would
be
allowed
500
spaces.
That's
still
way
more
than
this
particular
example
has
so
just
wanted
to
mention.
Thank
you.
Questions.
A
A
H
C
A
G
I,
don't
I
mean
first
of
all,
we're
not
expecting
stated
to
be
built,
but
I
keep
going
back
to
former
councilmember
refs
idea
years
ago.
That
Bloomington
is
a
good
City
for
minor
league
baseball
and
that,
if
Richmond
has
a
stadium
of
a
thousand
people
in
Evansville
as
a
stadium
before
a
thousand,
we
should
be
able
to
build
a
stadium
of
2004,
minor
league
baseball
and
for
some
reason,
every
time
I.
Think
of
his
idea.
G
I
think
that
the
ideal
place
to
put
it
would
be
right
in
that
giant
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
convention
center,
like
that's.
That
would
be
like
a
Wrigley
Wrigley
Field
like
stadium
and
I.
G
Just
don't
see
the
need
for
a
particularly
huge
amount
of
parking
there,
because
it
would
be
right
in
the
middle
of
town
accessible
to
every
bit
of
Transit
it'll,
be
literally
next
door
to
the
Bloomington
Transit
Center
and
people
could
take
the
bus
in
much
like
they
do
in
Chicago,
where
the
L
is
the
primary
way
that
people
get
to
Wrigley
Field,
it's
totally
possible
for
stadia
to
fit
into
an
urban
context,
and
so
when
we
have
huge
parking
Maxima
like
that,
it
just
says
to
somebody
who
might
cite
a
stadium
somewhere
in
our
area.
G
G
There
are
certainly
plenty
of
people
who
live
near
the
tailgate
field
by
IU.
Who've
got
stories
about
I,
don't
mean
to
overstate
it,
but
the
debauchery
that
happens
in
parking,
lots
and
the
area.
G
So
if
anything,
reducing
parking
might
discourage
exactly
the
kind
of
a
behavior
that
I
think
we
may
be
afraid
of
the
only
reason
I
wouldn't
suggest
changing
the
number.
Now
is
because
what
I
just
said
we
are
in
an
iterative
process,
the
staff
is
revising
more
and
so
I.
Don't
feel
in
particular
rush
to
fix
this
because
again
stadia
are
built
very
infrequently,
but
this
isn't
really
enough.
It's
a
glaring
exception,
and
this
amendment
really
doesn't
do
enough
to
curtail
it.
It
should
be
an
order,
magnitude
greater.
F
C
D
A
A
G
Overall,
this
is
a
great
change.
It's
adding
limits
where
there
weren't
limits
before
and
so
I
want
to
commend
the
staff's
work
on
this
I
want
to
commend
the
the
normalization
of
parking
maximums.
G
It's
it's
overdue
and
the
more
we
can
control
and
regulate
parking,
the
more
efficient
we
can
be
with
it.
Thank
you.
D
D
D
Q
Good
evening
council
members
Emily
Fields
acting
HR
Director
last
week,
I
was
here
requesting
your
approval
of
ordinance
2312,
which
again
amends
ordinance
22-26,
which
sets
2023
pay
grades
and
salary
ranges
for
certain
city
staff.
As
a
reminder,
this
amendment
requests
an
additional
project
manager
in
the
engineering
department,
changes
to
two
job
titles
in
the
legal
department,
a
title
and
pay
grade
change
to
a
position
in
the
environmental
division
of
the
utilities
department
and
allows
for
additional
certification
pay
for
the
Master
Motor
equipment
operator
at
the
utilities
Dillman
plant.
Q
A
C
F
So
this
ordinance
removes
the
addition
of
three
Community
EMT,
slash,
Community
paramedic
positions,
so
it
changes
the
text
from
seven
of
those
positions
back
down
to
four
of
those
positions,
and
this
is
at
the
request
of
the
administration
and
after
discussion
with
Chief,
Moore
and
feedback
from
the
firefighters.
It
was
determined
that
the
city
should
not
take
on
the
annual
fiscal
impact
of
adding
these
three
EMTs
at
this
time.
R
Our
fire
chief,
we
did
ask
for
this
amendment
to
be
added
to
this,
to
give
us
additional
time
to
discuss
the
firefighters
concerns.
I
am
full
support
of
adding
these
positions
with
the
future
issues
that
our
fire
department
is
facing,
but
at
this
time
I
would
like
additional
time
to
work
with
our
firefighters
and
administrative
staff
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
good
fit
and
that
we
are
hearing
their
concerns,
and
then
we
can
move
forward
with
this
with
a
well-baked
and
well
oil
plan
for
the
council
in
a
future
time.
A
A
A
S
S
We
certainly
support
it
and
and
look
forward
to
the
eventual
growth
of
it.
We
would
just
like
to
see
a
commitment
from
our
city
Administration,
on
addressing
the
issues
that
we
have
with
our
sworn
firefighters
and
before
they
move
on
to
building
new
programs
and
advancing
those
firefighters
are
the
foundation
of
a
fire
department
at
this
moment
in
time
our
foundation
is
grumbling,
so
it
doesn't
seem
to
make
much
sense
to
me
to
build
on
top
of
that
building,
while
the
foundation
is
crumbling.
A
A
D
A
A
A
E
C
A
C
Q
Good
evening,
this
ordinance
is
before
you
for
review
and
approval.
It
amends
the
public
safety
salary
ordinance
for
this
current
year.
As
a
reminder,
it
provides
for
an
hourly
premium
payment
for
hours
worked
earlier
this
year
during
the
covid
pandemic.
That's
in
section
if
IG
allows
the
city
to
buy
back
firefighter
Kelly
days.
If
the
firefighters
wish
to
work
their
previously
scheduled
Kelly
day
and
section
IH
compensates
Battalion
Chiefs
with
a
hundred
dollars,
in
addition
to
their
regular
pay
when
they
get
work,
an
additional
shift
outside
of
their
schedule.
Q
R
R
You
know
not
all
points
are
exactly
agreed
upon,
but
this
is
something
that
that
we
have
done
as
a
department
to
continue
service
without
losing
compensation
for
things
that
our
firefighters
should
have
been
compensated
for,
like
the
Kelly
days
and
I
do
know
that
there
are
amendments
which
I
could
speak
upon
after
they're
introduced
if
that
would
help,
but
we
would
like
to
see
that
these
things
happen
so
that
we
can
get
past
our
crisis.
R
A
F
This
amendment
was
requested
by
the
administration
and
it
adds
a
section
that
I
think
was
just
left
out
by
mistake.
Initially
section
I,
I
recruitment
incentives,
which
says
newly
hired
firefighters
will
receive
five
thousand
dollars
within
the
first
year
of
employment.
Those
who
have
previously
been
employed
by
the
city
must
have
a
year
Gap
in
full-time
employment,
with
the
city
to
be
eligible
for
this
incentive.
R
Good
evening,
yes,
we
did
ask
for
this.
This
is
something
that
when
we
advertise
the
position,
we
discussed
whether
it
was
an
increase
in
salary
or
whether
it
was
a
hiring
bonus.
The
equivalent
of
this
is
within
the
budget,
so
we
budget
all
of
our
positions.
At
the
firefighter
first
class
salary,
we
hired
probationary
firefighters
at
five
thousand
dollars
less
than
that
salary.
The
signing
bonus
brings
them
up
to
what
most
times
you
have
to
wait
one
year
to
get
so
this
is
a
recruitment
incentive.
R
I
was
decided
that
the
signing
bonus
would
be
a
better
impact
than
just
increasing
their
pay,
and
then
they
received
that
extra
5000
over
an
entire
year.
So
this
is
essentially
a
zero
budgetary
impact.
We
already
budgeted
for
these
positions
to
be
at
that
pay,
and
this
is
a
very
valuable
tool
that
may
be
directly
responsible
for
the
21
people
that
are
coming
on
board.
R
We've
just
had
the
11
last
week
we
have
seven
more
starting
on
Monday,
and
then
we
have
the
remainder
balance
of
the
21
that
will
start
on
July
24th,
and
it
is
important
that
we
follow
up
on
our
promise
and
for
the
oversight.
This
is
something
that
was
discussed
that
should
have
been
brought
forward.
I
was
out,
and
as
soon
as
I
got
back
and
realized,
I
did
not
see
it
in
the
ordinance.
R
A
H
A
E
D
A
F
This
amendment
removes
the
proposed
assistant
chief
of
operation
position
in
the
fire
department
from
the
ordinance
after
discussion
with
Chief
Moore
and
feedback
from
firefighters.
It
was
determined
that
the
city
should
not
take
on
the
118
000
annual
fiscal
impact
of
the
additional
position
at
this
time.
R
Thank
you
again
on
this.
This
is
an
amendment
that
I
have
asked
for.
I
will
just
like
with
the
community
Mt
program.
This
is
a
vital
position
that
is
needed,
knowing
that
it
has
to
be
drawn
from
internal
staff
when
we're
at
our
staffing
crisis.
I
have
concerns
as
to
how
we
can
fill
it.
It
was
proposed
that
could
help
us.
We
will
get
past
this
and
when
we
were
no
longer
in
crisis.
R
The
capacity
of
administration
to
handle
a
younger
Workforce
that
is
not
as
experienced
will
be
reasons
why
bring
it
back,
but
for
tonight,
I
would
like
to
request
that
you
do
approve
this
amendment,
which
will
allow
us
to
get
past
this
and
get
the
other
really
important
portions
of
this
ordinance
through,
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
our
business
and
again
I'll
work
collaborative
with
our
staff
to
bring
back
a
better
implementation
plan
of
these
things
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
A
So
Ms
Fields
anything.
So
let's
come
to
council
for
any
questions
on
amendment
2
to
ordinance
2313..
Are
there
any
questions
seeing
none?
Let's
go
to
the
public
for
comment.
If
there
is
public
comment
here
in
Chambers,
please
approach
the
podium
Mr
Lucas.
Can
you
extend
our
invitation
on
Zoom?
Please.
H
A
D
D
A
A
A
G
Briefly,
it
was
a
privilege
to
be
able
to
talk
with
both
the
chief
and
representatives
of
the
Union
over
this
problem,
because
I
didn't
quite
understand.
It
and
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
had
some
misunderstandings
because
of
the
unfortunate
way
that
the
process
unfolded.
G
It
was
a
little
too
compacted
and
I,
don't
think
we're
I'm
sure
we're
not
done
talking
about
it,
but
for
now,
I
think
that
we've
found
a
good
compromise
and
I'm
glad
that
the
chief
and
the
the
union
have
been
sitting
down
and
hashing
out
their
differences
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
comes
up
over
the
next
couple
of
months
and
also
appreciate
Ms
Fields
efforts
here
I
she
got
dropped
into
a
big
old
tub
of
water
with
this
one.
So
thanks
very
much.
T
T
I
I
would
disagree
with
a
comment
that
one
of
my
colleagues
made
last
week
that
getting
involved
with
our
Workforce
or
getting
involved
with
Union
matters
is
not
the
concern
of
the
council.
I
certainly
think
it
is.
T
How
are
we
going
to
deal
with
our
staffing
shortages
that
are
causing
unwarranted
overtime,
exhaustive
workers?
No
good
will
come
from
that,
and
so
until
we
get
that
Foundation
repaired,
as
was
was
mentioned,
I
think
this
is
not
the
time
to
add
new
programming.
I
think
this
is
the
time
to
focus
on
why
we're
losing
staff
I
know
what's
happening
everywhere,
but
this
is
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
we
can
do
better
here
and
I
do
hope
that
the
union
leadership
and
the
administration
can
have
more
productive
talks.
T
F
Yes,
I'm
I,
just
like
to
thank
the
the
administration,
Chief
Moore
and
the
firefighters
as
well.
I
know
it's
been
a
difficult
period
with
the
the
shortage
of
staff
and
I'm
just
thrilled
to
hear
that
the
staff,
a
significant
number
of
new
firefighters,
have
been
hired
and
are
going
to
be
coming
on
board
soon,
so
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
you'll
be
fully
staffed
and
then
we
can
move
forward
with
making
sure
we
stay
fully
staffed
and
the
retention
issues.
Thank
you.
A
B
D
E
B
Resolution
2310
a
resolution
requesting
an
appropriation
recommendation
to
establish
additional
bus
routes
circulating
the
greater
downtown
of
Bloomington
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
resolution
is
sponsored
by
council
member
volen
and
is
a
vehicle
to
express
the
council's
interest
and
a
recommendation
from
the
mayor
regarding
Appropriations
to
assist
with
the
creation
of
a
greater
downtown
circulator
bus
route.
G
And
everyone
for,
let
me
make
this
presentation
tonight,
for
more
than
15
years,
I
have
been
contemplating
or
discussing
the
idea
of
a
circulator
downtown.
The
Bloomington
Transit
board
yesterday
heard
me
lament
the
former
existence
of
the
number
eight
East
Side
local,
which
was
one
of
the
only
buses
that
did
a
circulator
and
it
was
for
college
mall,
and
it
was
by
far
the
least
used
route
when
it
was
there,
but
it
did
serve
a
clientele
and
nevertheless,
I
always
thought.
G
Excuse
me
would
not
be
put
to
use
ultimately
that
it
was
called
for
when
it
was.
The
Creed
was
created
more
than
20
years
ago.
I
decided
to
put
this
forward
so,
with
your
permission,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
begin
by
saying
why
we're
having
this
discussion.
This
is
resolution
0326.
It
was
past
9-0
in
2003
and
it
created
the
Bloomington.
G
The
second
Bloomington
Creed
District
you'll,
note
that
we
had
created
one
beforehand
and
during
the
2003
session
of
the
general
assembly,
cities
like
Bloomington,
were
allowed
to
make
a
second
Creed
District.
So
you
can
see
that
it
was
a
very,
relatively
rare
thing.
That's
why
there
aren't
more
Creed
districts.
There
was
one
for
Thompson
to
help
rehabilitate
it
and
the
downtown
needed
help
back
then,
too,
the
Cree
District
contemplated
the
idea
that
parking
infrastructure
was
a
specific
end
goal
for
creed
money.
G
This
is
at
the
time
when
it
was
considered
a
utility-like
water,
sewer
electric
and
we
don't
think
of
it
quite
the
same
way
today,
but
nevertheless
it
was
a
specific
idea
in
the
Bloomington
second
Bloomington
Creed
was
that
parking
infrastructure
counts
as
something
that
could
be.
You
you
Creed
money
could
be
used.
G
We
could
have
used
Creed
money,
for
example,
to
rebuild
the
forestry
garage,
but
we
did
chose
not
to
but
I'm
not
arguing
tonight
that
a
shuttle
connecting
every
parking
facility
in
town
is
a
form
of
parking
infrastructure,
particularly
because
it
maximizes
the
accessibility
of
all
of
our
existing
parking,
and
it
should
delay
the
demand
for
very
expensive
structured
parking.
We
know
that
structured
parking
is
an
eight-figure
concern
these
days
and
that's
what
this
slide
talks
about.
The
cost
of
providing
structured
parking
is
very
high
in
the
downtown.
G
We
know
that
the
trades
of
garage
was
in
eight
figures.
The
forestry
garage
wasn't
I
think
we
set
aside
something
like
30
million
dollars
for
the
two
garages
or
close,
and
that's
a
lot
of
money
for
something
that
debate
anything
else.
You
will,
but
it's
by
definition
fixed
in
place,
and
so
we
better
make
a
good
guess
as
to
where
we're
going
to
put
structured
parking,
or
maybe
it
goes
to
waste.
G
G
I've
been
arguing
consistently
that
the
money
raised
for
the
Creed
should
be
spent.
The
Creed
stands
for
Community,
revitalization
enhancement,
District,
it's
a
district.
The
money
was
raised
within
the
district.
It
should
be
spent
in
the
district.
The
downtown
meter
Zone
garage
with
all
the
garages
and
lots
it
is
the
Creed
and
parking
has
been
serving
the
Creed
all
this
time.
This
is
perfectly
consistent
with
the
concept
of
the
Creed.
G
So
there's
an
untapped,
related
source
of
funds
available
to
us
to
contemplate
such
a
thing
again.
Creed
money
should
be
spent
in
the
place
where
it
was
collected.
That
was
the
original
intent
of
the
legislation.
Parking
infrastructure
directly
relates
to
the
Creed,
but
is
eight
figures
expensive,
almost
all
the
parkings
within
the
Creed's
borders,
a
shuttle
is
parking
infrastructure
and,
most
importantly,
there
is
enough
Creed
money
left
to
launch
such
a
service.
G
G
G
G
With
a
shuttle
and
proper
repricing
of
parking,
our
supply
can
be
expanded
without
building
any
new
parking,
at
least
for
a
long
time
to
come.
We
certainly
we
maybe
don't
even
have
to
pave
new
parking
and
again
a
shuttle
would
maximize
the
utility
of
all
the
parking
we
already
have.
G
So
these
are
two
reasons.
Here's
a
third
reason.
Greater
downtown
has
become
too
big
to
immediately
walk
across
it's
grown.
This
is
again
the
same
Creed
map
the
star
in
the
center
is
the
courthouse.
Square,
the
outermost
reaches
of
downtown
are
now
a
mile
apart,
either
0.9
or
one
full
mile
apart,
the
average
pedestrian
walks
about
half
that
distance.
Before
they
look
for
alternate
Transportation,
most
people
walk
a
quarter
to
a
half
mile.
So
it's
clear
that,
even
though
this
map
was
in
the
2003
resolution,
our
conception
of
what
is
downtown
has
expanded
substantially.
G
I
think
it's
time
that
we
addressed
this
issue,
that
every
that
people
want
to
come
downtown,
but
that
idea
has
become
bigger
than
perhaps
many
of
us
have
been
accustomed
to
over
the
years.
G
G
The
average
pedestrian
doesn't
walk
more
than
10
minutes
before
they
find
another
way
to
go,
and
the
increased
size
of
downtown
is
one
reason,
not
the
only
reason
why
scooters
appeared
in
2018,
while
not
all
of
us,
Ride,
Scooters
I,
think
it's
the
utility
of
it
is
obvious
to
a
certain
segment
of
people
who
might
otherwise
drive
or
not
come
downtown
and
that's
a
debate
for
another
time
how
how
they've
been
implemented.
But
that's
why
they're
here.
G
In
addition,
other
reasons
for
a
scooter
for
a
shuttle
are
that
not
everyone
could
ride
a
scooter.
Not
everyone
can
bike,
not
everyone
can
walk
the
elderly,
the
infirm,
small
children,
people
some
for
some
people,
there's
a
concern
about
walking
alone
late
at
night.
G
Another
reason
is
that
it
simply
put
will
be
good
for
visitors
to
the
city,
particularly
people
going
to
conventions
of
the
convention
center,
which
is
a
place
that
is
also
relatively
underserved
by
other
destinations.
G
To
the
point
where
the
least
used
parking
in
Bloomington
is
and
then
has
consistently
been
the
two
blocks
in
front
of
the
Marriott
Courtyard
in
the
convention
center,
because
there's
other
options
everywhere
else,
but
it
would
be
good
for
everyone
else.
It
will
be
good
for
commuters,
especially
if
Bloomington
transit's
desire
to
see
Park
and
rides.
G
If
we
give
permission
to
let
the
motion
Transit
operate
outside
the
city,
so
that
would
help
commuters
access
the
Less,
Price
Less
highly
priced
parking
on
the
edges
of
town.
It
would
help
alumni
of
IU
and
students
who
are
attending
games
at
the
stadium
who
want
to
go
downtown
after
a
game.
It
would
help
show
goers
with
a
shuttle
that
might
take
you.
We
already
see
shuttles
at
going
to
the
IU
Auditorium
for
certain
events.
G
It
would
help
people
going
to
the
game
as
well
as
coming
from
the
game.
It
could
even
help
church
goers
on
Sundays.
G
So
what
would
service
look
like?
So
this
is
a
map
that
was
provided.
It
should
be
in
your
packet
in
the
memo
by
Bloomington
Transit
and,
in
fact
the
next
several
slides
are
all
taken
from
that
document,
which
was
prepared
by
BT
for
this
discussion,
but
is
not
the
only
comp
concept
they
have
for
providing
service.
I've
talked
for
years
about
a
single
route
that
would
be
a
t-shaped
route
between
the
three
stars
that
I
put
in
the
previous
map.
G
This
map
is
actually
their
idea
for
two
routes:
a
north-south
route
that
would
run
on
College
and
walnut
between
the
trade,
district
and
Seminary
square
and
an
East-West
route
that
would
run
on
Fifth
and
7th
or
Kirkwood,
and
seventh,
between
Rogers
and
Indiana.
This
map
also
includes
a
route
that
goes
all
the
way
up
to
10th
Street
to
10th
and
Woodlawn,
and
back,
but
it's
again.
This
is
just
one
conception
and
part
of
our
goal
tonight
is
to
talk
about.
G
Well,
what
do
we
want,
but
in
either
case
whether
it's
a
single
route
or
two
routes
such
as
shown
here?
The
shuttle
would
require,
according
to
BT
two
electric
buses
plus
a
third
spare,
and
again
it
could
be
one
route
or
two,
but
in
the
case
of
two
routes
one
bus
would
run
each
route
and
there'd
be
a
spare
in
the
case
of
a
single
route,
both
buses
would
run
the
same
route.
It
would
effectively
be
the
same
frequency.
G
So
this
is
also
from
the
planned.
This
is
again
something
we've
been
talking
about
since
2007,
and
we
talked
about
it
again
in
2018..
G
The
the
key
figure
here
is
that,
with
the
proposal
that
I'm
asking
us
to
consider
we're
looking
at
a
frequency
of
20
minutes,
it
would,
it
would
be
20
minutes
between
buses
on
either
route.
The
cost
of
a
30
foot,
Ada
accessible
battery
electric
bus
would
be
around
1.1
million
dollars
take
at
least
a
year
for
them
to
acquire.
So
there's
no
imminent
chance
of
this
happening
soon,
but
there's
3.3
million
for
the
buses
alone.
G
G
If,
for
some
reason,
shuttle
service
turns
out
to
not
be
a
good
idea,
the
buses
are
easily
usable
by
BT
on
other
routes
and
also
I.
Think
important
is
the
fact
that
buses
can
be
wrapped
and
for
me
there
is
no
more
important
message
to
wrap
these
buses
with
than
how
how
they're
paid
for,
except
perhaps
the
fact
that
they
would
be
free
to
use
and
that
that's
a
key
part
of
the
benefit
of
a
circulator
anyway.
Here's
an
example
of
what
a
bus
would
look
like.
G
G
These
can
range
in
costs
from
25
to
75
000,
and
it
depends
on
how
much
we
build
out,
but
we
are
counting
roughly
a
million
dollars,
cost
for
the
maximum
amount
of
benches
shelters
and
signage
to
advertise
the
existence
of
the
circulator
and
then
finally,
there's
the
the
cost
of
operating
the
range
here
of
operating.
A
shuttle
is
very
much
dependent
on
the
hours
of
operation,
but
we're
looking
anywhere
from
400
000
to
almost
exactly
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
operating
costs.
G
So
here
is
another
part
of
the
spec
sheet
talking
about
how
they
derived
that
figure,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
number
right
there.
It
currently
costs
BT
a
hundred
dollars
an
hour
for
all
the
different
operating
costs
of
a
bus
and,
roughly
speaking,
a
bus
can
operate
at
10
miles
an
hour.
So
you
can
use
that
to
calculate
how
much
distance
a
bus
can
go
in
an
hour,
but
anyway,
all
these
all.
This
math
is
based
on
this
figure.
G
G
If
we
were
to
expand
the
hours
a
couple
to
eight
to
six
we'd
increase
to
about
half
a
million.
If
we
would
go
eight
to
eight,
it
would
be
625.
000.
I
would
well
we're
going
to
come
back.
Come
to
that
in
a
second.
If
we
also
include
Saturdays,
the
additional
costs
would,
if,
depending
if
we
go
to
eight
to
eight,
would
add
up
to
another
125
000
a
year.
G
So
now
we're
at
about
750
000
a
year
for
8
A.M
to
8
PM
six
days
a
week,
but
I
would
like
to
call
your
attention
to
the
idea
of
Night
Owl
service.
One
thing
I'll
point
out
is
that
demand
for
parking
in
Downtown
Bloomington
is
as
high
or
higher
in
the
evening
than
it
is
during
the
day,
it's
a
very
at
the
very
least
as
high.
So
it's
worth
considering
Night
Owl
service.
G
If
we
were
to
extend
service
to
1am,
that
would
add
another
six
days
a
week,
156
000
a
year
if
we
were
to
go
to
3
A.M.
That
would
add
another
hundred
and
not
quite
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
But
adding
the
three
bottom
lines
gets
you
to
just
short
of
a
million
dollars
a
year.
If
you
wanted
to
operate
8
A.M
to
3
A.M
six
days
a
week,
how
would
we
fund
it?
Initially?
G
There
was
10
million
dollars
in
the
downtown
Creed
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
that
money
went
all
but
unused
for
its
original
purpose.
We
did
devote
three
million
dollars
to
the
new
tech
building
and
trades.
The
total
Capital
cost
of
the
shuttle
and
the
the
shelters
would
be
approximately
four
million
give
or
take
the
total
maximum
operating
cost
of
20
minute
frequency.
Six
days
a
week
is
a
million
annually,
but
we
can
do
this
service
with
local
dollars
alone
and
we'd
have
funds
to
spare.
G
There
would
be
at
least
two
million
dollars
left
in
the
in
the
money
that
was
formerly
part
of
the
Creed.
What
are
ongoing
funding
options
after
year?
Two?
What
I'm
proposing
is
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
the
first
year.
G
Only
and
then
we'd
have
to
find
funding
elsewhere,
IU
expressed
interest
15
years
ago
about
extending
any
shuttle
or
streetcar
to
the
stadium,
because
they
were
planning
on
expanding
Woodlawn
Avenue,
which
they
have
done
so
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
for
collaboration
with
IU
there
for
at
least
a
portion
of
the
route,
but
that
what
might
be
for
route
that
we
wouldn't
necessarily
build
ourselves.
G
The
food
and
beverage
tax
is
a
prime
candidate
for
future
funding.
The
shuttle
is
an
obvious
benefit
to
anyone
who
would
use
the
convention
center
and
it
might
even
obviate
the
demand
to
attach
structured
parking.
So
if
we
could
save
money
on
the
amount
of
structured
procurement
build,
if
we
even
have
to
build
it,
because
we
have
a
shuttle
running
frequently
enough,
then
the
shuttle
is
paid
for
itself.
Just
in
that
respect
alone,
there's
definitely
the
possibility
of
state
and
federal
dollars.
That
would
take
some
time
to
get.
G
But
the
key
thing
is:
if
we
establish
the
service
that's
far
and
away
the
best
way,
to
get
state
and
federal
dollars
to
be
interested
in
this
local
service,
because
we're
already
doing
it,
we've
shown
that
we're
willing
to
to
to
put
up
the
money.
Most
importantly,
we
know
that
for
Capital
costs,
the
federal
trans
Administration
matches
local
dollars
three
or
four
to
one.
So
there's
great
potential
there.
G
Here
are
figures
for
the
past
six
years,
for
the
amount
of
Revenue
brought
in
from
parking
and
millions,
the
number
of
transactions
in
millions
and
the
average
amount
per
transaction.
A
few
things
I
want
to
call
your
attention
to.
In
the
first
year
of
meters,
Revenue
was
about
2.2
million,
so
that's
been
a
pretty
consistent
figure
over
time
and
that's
considering
that
the
rate
has
never
changed
in
10
years.
G
It's
been
a
dollar
an
hour,
but
the
rate
of
inflation
now
makes
that
dollar
worth
78
cents
an
hour
in
2013
dollars,
both
meter
and
food
and
beverage.
Tax
data
show
that
the
post-pandemic
post-pandemic
restaurants
and
business
are
returning
to
normal.
You
can
see
it
in
the
figures
here
that
in
2022
we
reached
the
same
amount
we
were
at
in
2017.
G
demand
was
increasing
for
parking
downtown
before
the
pandemic.
You
can
see
it
in
the
2018
and
2019
numbers,
but
I
think
a
really
significant
figure
is
the
average
length
of
say
the
average
transaction
notice
that
consistently,
even
despite
the
pandemic,
the
average
amount
of
time
that
somebody
is
parking
has
increased.
The
2022
figure
is
46
percent
greater
than
2017..
There
are
significantly
fewer
transactions,
but
they're
spending
as
much
money
parking
downtown.
G
So
here
is
a
brief
table.
I've
worked
up
Based
on
data
over
the
past
six
years.
There
are
approximately
1500
meters.
Downtown
476
of
them
are
being
used
more
than
50
of
the
time
of
all
available
hours.
Another
250
are
being
used
between
37
and
a
half
and
50
percent,
another
277
between
25
and
37
percent
and
Below
25
percent,
more
than
500
meters,
so
the
average
percentage
of
use
is
38
and
these
the
meters
are
sort
of
equal
number
above
and
below
that
figure.
G
If
we
were-
and
this
is
the
current
rate
at
the
current
rate-
a
dollar
an
hour
We're-
generating
about
2.1
2.2
million
dollars
in
Revenue,
based
on
the
average
over
six
years,
if
we
were
to
increase
meters
by
a
quarter,
we'd
be
matching
the
rate
we
were
charging
in
2013..
If
we
were,
if
we
took
to
increase
the
meter
rate
across
the
board
50
cents,
we
would
generate
almost
a
million
dollars
a
year.
That
would
alone
would
be
enough
to
fund
a
shuttle
which
would
in
turn
serve
people
who
are
parking.
G
But
an
idea
that
I
tend
to
prefer
is
if
we
were
to
to
change
the
rate
for
meters
being
in
demand
above
50
percent
of
the
time
to
two
dollars:
meters
above
37
percent,
to
a
dollar
fifty
leaving
are
then
reducing
meters
below
37
to
50
cents
and
the
ones
below
25
percent
to
25
cents.
You
would
generate
almost
as
much
revenue,
2.9
Million
and
you
would
be
adjusting
prices
accordingly
for
the
people
who
are
using
them.
It
would
not
be
a
a
a
loss.
G
G
Council
can
approve
the
use
of
money
for
such
an
expenditure
with
an
Express
with
an
extra
vote.
State
Statute
says
that
this
can
be
done
at
the
end
of
a
calendar
year.
Any
amount
in
the
parking
meter
fund
can
be
transferred
to
the
general
fund.
Even
though
technically
a
shuttle
doesn't
meet
the
statutes
definition
of
parking
infrastructure.
The
council
can
do
it
anyway
and
again.
I
would
argue
that
is
very
much
is
infrastructure.
G
So
one
big
question
here
is:
should
we
have
more
destinations
or
should
we
have
more
frequent
buses?
Maybe
20
minute
service
isn't
frequent
enough?
Maybe
we
should
have
two
routes
or
one
t-shaped
route.
Maybe
we
should
extend
the
service
to
the
trade
District
garage
into
the
Hopewell
garage.
The
latter
is
not
in
use
at
all
and
could
be
offered
for
free
to
people
who
are
that
price
sensitive.
It's
not
being
used.
Let's
use
it
so
decisions
to
be
made
tonight,
there's
nothing
binding.
Here.
A
resolution
is
not
binding.
G
We
I've
brought
it
so
as
to
help
develop
an
appropriation
ordinance
that
Council
would
support,
which
is
going
to
be
the
first
question
the
administration
asks
us
do
we
do
we
support
such
an
idea,
so
voting
for
this
is
like
voting
for
extending
bus
service
outside
the
city
limits
it
gives
Assurance
to
entities
like
BT,
which
is
interested
in
including
a
downtown
circulator
as
part
of
the
corridor
study
that
it's
going
to
do
for
Third
Street
in
order
to
consider
an
Express,
Bus
and
I
very
much
encourage
amendments
or
postponement
of
this
resolution
in
order
to
develop
amendments.
G
But
the
key
thing
is:
should
we
pursue
this?
Should
it
be
pursued
as
is
or
with
fundamental
changes?
So,
to
summarize,
is
a
circulator,
a
good
idea?
What
should
be
the
parameters
of
its
service?
Should
it
be
again
a
larger
map
with
less
frequency
or
a
smaller
map
with
more
frequency,
but
fewer
destinations
reach?
What
hours
and
days
should
it
operate?
G
Should
we
use
Legacy
Creed
dollars
to
establish
a
shuttle,
what
sources
of
revenue
to
guarantee
service
funding
after
year,
one,
if
not
Park
your
parking
increment
financing
alone,
but
again
the
the
gist
of
my
proposal
here
comes
from
the
fact
that
the
Creed
wasn't
going
to
get
spent.
The
Creed
money
wasn't
going
to
get
spent
and
rather
than
spend
it
arbitrarily
in
anything
which
we
could
do
and
which
the
Administration
has
already
begun
the
process
of
doing
by
eliminating
the
Industrial
Development
Fund.
G
So
we
could
also
create
a
shovel
ready
project
and
use
this
money
for
it.
That's
my
presentation.
I
appreciate
the
extended
time
to
speak,
happy
to
take
questions
but
I'm
going
to
return
the
slide
back
to
the
questions.
I've
asked
members
to
consider
and
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
or
comments.
Thank
you.
C
Thanks
for
the
the
thorough
presentation,
councilman
Roland
I'm
wondering
about
in
terms
of
funding,
do
you
imagine
that
the
fair
would
be
free
or
or
that
it
would
be?
You
do
United?
Yes,.
G
G
G
C
Ask
one
more
follow-up,
so
I
was
thinking
again,
you
know,
so
this
is
a
downtown
circulator,
but
the
stadium
is
more
far
afield
makes
sense
to
bring
folks
from
the
stadium
down
they're.
Clearly
on
Saturdays
on
game
days,
they're
looking
for
ways
to
come
downtown,
they
may
be
driving
it's
competing
with
parking,
it's
a
mess,
so
this
could
really
alleviate
a
lot
of
traffic
congestion,
Etc
et
cetera,
so
I
think
it's
got
great
utility
for
that,
but
that
could
just
be.
C
G
Could
but
I
don't
see
BT
doing
that
without
IU's
cooperation,
IU
itself,
again
I
when
I
was
talking
about
it
15
years
ago,
that
was
where
they
were
going
with
it.
They
have
an
abiding
need
to
move
people
where
they
want
to
go
after
a
game,
but
frankly
they
have
a
need
to
move
people
where
they
want
to
go
before
the
game,
which
is
to
the
stadium
either
way
that
route
is
beyond
our
means.
G
C
I
have
one
more
but
okay,
real,
very
quickly,
I
I,
you
know
we've
been
discussing
this
before
and
that's
the
under
under
utilization
of
peripheral
Downtown
parking
and
and
how
do
we
incentivize
that
so
obviously
scaling
fees
relative
to
demand
makes
sense,
but
is
it
confusing?
Are
there
communities
where
they
do
this,
and
it
is
it's
it's
effective,
in
other
words,
I
park
at
a
meter
and
I
can
expect
to
pay
a
dollar.
C
But
if
you
have
this
scale
scaling
of
two
dollars
dollar
fifty
one
dollar
25
cents,
whatever
does
that
does
that
become
confusing
and
and
and
chaotic
for
for
people,
in
other
words,
complaining
that
wait,
a
minute
I
thought
it
was
how
much
am
I
paying
you
know
it
is
it?
Is
it
effectively
deployed
in
communities
that
you've
seen
well.
G
G
O
That
would
use
it
and
so
extending
it
over
to
IU.
That's
that's
great
and
then
I
I
wonder.
Is
there
any
possibility
of
running
it
out
to
College
Mall.
G
That's
literally,
one
of
us
is
Transit
they're
already
buses
out
to
the
mall,
the
member
of
the
East
Side
Local
Number
Eight
was
only
at
the
mall.
It
only
operated
north
and
south
of
Third
Street
East
of
the
bypass,
but
that
is
the
standard
of
service
for
the
Bloomington
Transit.
This
is
a
different
idea.
This
idea
is
rooted
in
the
idea
that
people
move
their
cars
a
few
blocks
because
they
don't
want
to
walk.
G
But
it
was
interesting
to
see
how
people
used
it
and
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
ability
to
share
what
I
mean
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
thoroughly
their
report,
but
one
thing
I
did
notice
was
that
you
know
people
tend
to
not
want
to
walk
to
places
where
there
aren't
a
lot
of
other
people
already
so
or
rather
they
want
to
be.
They
want
to
be
dropped
off
right
in
the
middle
of
the
crowd.
G
They
don't
they,
they
tended
to
not
go
to
a
location
that
seemed
to
be
remote
and
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
people
there
so
I
mean
I
would
argue
in
general
that
a
successful
shuttle,
if
enough
people
use
it
that
breeds
success.
It
breeds
more
Revenue.
More
financing,
no
transit
system
is
paying
its
full
fare.
The
the
fares
for
Bloomington
Transit
cover
a
small
fraction
of
the
total
cost,
so
any
usage
of
Transit
is
going
to
be
met
with
the
more
revenue
from
other
sources.
Yeah.
G
O
Was
prompting
that
question?
In
my
my
mind,
was
people
coming
from
downtown
going
to
the
mall
and
all
the
new
700
bedrooms
that
are
going
into
the
Kmart
development
which
those
folks,
if
they
don't
have
to
move
their
car
to
go,
downtown
and
or
maybe
go
to
the
stadium,
would
be
fantastic,
would
be
really
helpful.
You're
making.
G
A
case
for
moving
to
Transit
as
a
whole
I
think
that
it
already
exists
as
well
as
it
can
a
can.
What
this
does
is
it.
It
decreases
the
demand
for
cruising
for
parking
for
people
moving
their
cars,
only
a
few
blocks
and
for
people
who
already
say
now:
I
don't
go
down
downtown
anymore,
because
it's
too
expensive.
This
removes
that
block.
It
says,
listen
I
mean
when
you
go
to
a
festival
or
you
go
to
the
stadium
for
a
game.
A
Okay,
if
not
I'll,
take
a
turn.
Thank
you
for
the
very
thorough
presentation.
It's
impressive
and
I
agree
with
you
that
success
tends
to
breed
success
on
this
I'm
curious
as
to
what
how
you
envision
the
initial
steps
toward
public
awareness
going.
A
G
Bloomington
Transit
itself
has
some
experience
in
this.
Remember
that
part
of
the
initial
Capital
costs
were
not
just
shelters
but
signage,
so
Bloomington
Transit
would
itself
be
promoting
the
service
that
we
find
funding
for,
but
I
also
think
that
this
is
something
that
everyone
will
benefit
from,
and
organizations
like
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
like
the
convention
and
visitors
bureau
will
be
happy
to
spread.
The
word
here
is
a
new
service.
I
mean
for
me.
G
If
we
use
parking
increment
financing,
the
one
thing
I
want
to
see
wrapped
on
that
bus
is
paid
for
with
parking
meter
Revenue.
It's
a
way
of
saying.
Look,
here's
a
tangible
way
to
see
that
your
parking
meter
money
isn't
just
going
to
any
old
thing.
It's
going
to
a
specific
thing
that
is
helping
you
get
around
we're
not
using
the
money
for
general
fund
purposes,.
G
What
is
the
council's
sense
of
whether
they'd
like
to
have
20-minute
frequency-
and
you
know
this
many
miles
of
service
or
10
minute
frequency,
but
half
the
distance
I
know
that
Bloomington
transit's
preference
I
mean
as
much
money
as
this
is.
It's
still
only
so
much
money
and
I
can
go
back
to
the
map.
If
that
will
help
people
to
talk
about
what
they
like
to
see.
G
But
I
know
that
Bloomington
Transit
last
night
that
the
board
generally
said
that
they
tend
to
prefer
frequency
over
distance
and
routes
that
it's
more
important,
that
what
service
is
provided
is
so
frequent
that
people
readily
use
it
and
that
a
20-minute
frequency
as
positive
as
it
sounds,
is
a
little
wild
to
wait.
It
might
diminish
the
benefit
of
it.
The
downside
of
that
is,
maybe
we
don't
connect
the
trade
system
garage.
Maybe
we
don't
connect
the
Hopewell
garage
with
that
much
less
distance
served,
and
so
this
is
a
conundrum
I
can't
answer.
G
F
I
I
feel
strongly
that
a
frequency
of
10
minutes
would
be
required.
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
convenient
for
anybody
to
wait
more
than
10
minutes
to
you
know,
go
such
short
distances
downtown
and
looking
at
the
map,
I
would
say:
I
would
I
would
cut
the
part
that
goes
into
the
IU
campus
unless
IU
is
going
to
come
forward
and
put
in
a
chunk
of
money
for
that,
I
would
end
it
at
the
sample,
Gates
or
seventh
and
Indiana.
F
So
that's
and
I
wanted
to
also
say
that
I
think
one
route
is
much
preferable
to
two
because
I
don't
see
anybody
wanting
to
change
buses.
So
if
I'm
down
at
you
know
second
and
Walnut
and
I
want
to
get
to
to
the
sample
Gates
I
don't
want
to
have
to
change
buses.
You
know
go
two
minutes
on
one
bus
and
three
minutes
on
the
other
bus,
so
I
would
just
do
one
circulator
that
covers
that
territory.
G
G
We
should
definitely
consider
a
nominal
amount
of
service
on
Sundays
to
get
people
to
and
from
church
Downtown,
but
that
would
be
a
relatively
inexpensive
add-on
to
implement,
but
we
can
also
adjust
the
number
of
hours
that
are
served
by
the
shuttle.
Does
it
need
to
operate
in
the
early
morning?
How
late
at
night
does
it
need
to
operate
any
thoughts.
C
Well,
just
to
say
that
I
think
a
functional
Trolley
system,
you
know
the
the
answer
is
prototyping
and
then
optimizing
from
there.
So
my
hunch
is
that
a
smaller
route
with
greater
frequency
would
be
better,
but
the
BT
director
and
board
have
the
most
expertise,
so
I
couldn't
presume
to
know
you
know
that
it
would
probably
be
testing
certain
certain
models
and
finding
out
which
got
the
most
usage
and
were
they
had
the
best
preference.
That's.
G
What
they
said
to
that
that's
their
General
preference.
It's
more
a
matter
of.
We
need
to
adjust
these
three
different
levers
to
figure
out
what
will
be
the
good
optimal
beginning,
yeah.
C
G
A
function
of
the
the
cost
again,
we
see
that
the
increased
average
cost
of
our
average
duration
of
stay
is
showing
that
people
are
staying
long,
fewer
transactions,
people
are
staying
longer,
but
parking
thrives
on
turnover.
So
the
most
popular
spaces
need
to
be
raised
so
that
people
have
an
incentive
to
go
to
the
less
popular
spaces
that
are
cheaper
and
the
shuttle
would
remove
any
objections
that
they
might
have
to
using
it.
Yeah.
G
But
also
the
question
would
be
oh
yeah
and
also
Friday
and
Saturday.
The
the
demand
for
parking
increases
with
the
day
of
the
week,
Friday
and
Saturday
are
tied
for
the
most
in
demand,
so
Monday's,
the
least
in
demand
and
Friday
and
Friday
is
a
little
bit
more
than
Saturday
anymore,
but
both
of
them
are
at
the
highest
demand
of
the
other
week.
T
G
Have
a
conversation
with
the
administration,
but
I
do
know
that
they
are
interested
in
this
discussion.
They,
like
I,
said
earlier
in
the
presentation.
G
They
don't
want
to
make
a
proposal
that
Council
wouldn't
support
and
so
in
the
same
way
that
we
do
a
resolution
in
order
to
get
the
plan
commission
to
make
a
change
to
Title
20.
So
this
is
the
first
step
that
I
could
think
of
to
say:
well,
okay,
here's
what
we
want
and
then
they
can
come
back
with
the
proposal
that
we
would
like.
Just
from
my
request,
they
prepared
the
spec
sheet
that
I
used
for
this
presentation.
G
A
E
E
Imagine
that
we'll
like
table
this
until
after
recess
or
what
I
just
some
questions
that
you
asked
I
think
the
maximum
of
10
minutes
would
be
really
important
here,
because
I
don't
think
people
will
wait
long
for
a
shuttle,
just
thinking
about
like
King,
Street
and
Alex
and
Alexandria
so
it'll
come
pretty
often
same
with
Denver
on
16th
Street
I
think
what
is
really
important
is
night
time
service.
E
If
that's
possible
and
I'm
talking
about
like
really
late
hours,
I
would
like
to
ask
whatever
happened
to
what
a
student
commonly
referred
to
as
the
drug
bust.
It
was
around
when
I,
when
I
was
just
wondering
who
provided
that
yeah
and
where
did
it
go
I
think
you
know
we
had
a
drunk
driver,
kill
an
IU
student
and
it's
a
very
serious
thing.
Most
likely
she
didn't
have
a
different
way
to
get
home,
so
I
think
trying
to
prevent.
That
is
really
important
here.
E
E
D
G
Make
sure
everybody
knows
that
the
person
who
was
killed
by
the
drunk
driver
was
not
themselves
drunk.
They
were
operating
a
scooter
legally
in
a
bike
lane,
as
they
were
supposed
to
so
I
I,
don't
I
hope
we
don't
I
mean
that
person
may
not
have
had
an
alternative,
although
the
so-called
drunk
bus
might
have
served
that
sober
student
too.
If
that
was
the
way
they
could
get
home.
Having
said
that,
I
you
know
agree
that
nighttime
usage
is
important
as
important
as
daytime
I,
I,
wouldn't
anymore
prioritize
day
or
night.
G
I
would
say
that
that
from
my
reading
of
parking
data,
generally
speaking,
it
leans
slightly
towards
evening
use
after
5
PM,
but
I
think
that
they're
equally
important
I
think
what
the
the
parking
data
by
week
says
is
that
downtown
is
very
much
a
destination
for
visitors
anymore,
more
than
the
original
contemplation
20
years
ago
of
the
Creed,
which
was
industrial
trying
to
get
commuters
downtown
and
businesses
there
Bloomington
has
become
a
a
tourist
destination
and
not
just
people
out
of
town
I
mean
the
Wilson's
downtown
brings
people
in
from
all
over
town
to
eat
at
restaurants
to
go
to
shows
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
do
both
I,
don't
know
whether
or
not
it
should
go
till
three
in
the
morning
again,
every
bit
of
distance,
we
add
every
bit
of
frequency.
G
We
add
means
we
have
to
reduce
hours
of
operation.
So
one
thing
I
mean:
if
there's
one
thing
I
would
ask
of
members
is
Bloomington.
Transit
again
is
planning
a
corridor
study
for
Third
Street.
It's
going
to
be
hiring
a
consultant.
They
could
add
a
downtown
circulator
to
their
studies,
because
it
would,
it
would
interact
with
a
an
express
bus
going
all
the
way
across
town.
G
So
it's
a
timely
question
for
them
and
I
think
if
council
could
demonstrate
either
tonight
or
in
an
amendment
that
they
would
want
to
see
this
studied
as
well,
then
they
could
I
mean
the
funds,
for
that
should
be
something
that
we
can
budget
for,
but
I
think
that
will
be.
The
next
step
is
to
get
a
study
done
of
the
downtown
of
the
prospect
for
a
circulator
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
G
Okay,
let
me
just
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
whether
or
not
it's
even
worth
pursuing
what
I
mean
it's
clear,
that
no
one
supports
it
as
it
is,
and
I'm
I'm
perfectly
content
to
have
it
postponed.
I
want
people
to
have
an
opportunity
to
write
amendments
that
Express
the
will
of
the
council.
T
I
I
get
the
intent
is
to
just
send
a
signal
that
this
is
something
that's
desirable,
that
we
would
all
want.
I.
Think
if
we're
going
to
try
to
micromanage
it
through
amendments
I'm,
not
sure,
that's
appropriate,
because
I
think
as
councilmember
Rallo
indicated,
it's
BT,
that's
they're
kind
of
the
experts
in
how
this
would
be
executed
when
the
best
hours
of
operation
and
how
that
would
all
you
know
lend
to
the
cost.
T
But
I
think
if
our
goal
tonight
is
to
just
send
the
message
to
the
public
at
large
or
the
administration
that
yes,
this
is
something
that's
desirable.
I
think
we
could
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
resolution
tonight,
just
not
the
micromanaging
details,
that's
that
would
be
in
the
works
for
a
much
later
discussion.
G
I
very
much
appreciate
that
observation.
I
will
say,
though,
that
if
there's
one
clear
preference,
that's
come
out
of
just
discussion,
this
discussion
alone,
it's
a
preference
for
frequency
over
distance,
and
that
is
the
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
Bloomington
transit's
Board
needs
to
know,
because
if
we
had
preferred
distance
instead
that
might
go
against
their
grain,
but
that's
what
they
would
have
respected.
F
Council,
member
volun,
what
what
is
the
are
we
under
any
time
crunch
for
this?
Is
there
I
mean
the
budget
for
2024
is
being
prepared
now
and
will
you
know,
be
prepared
and
worked
on
by
City
staff
and
and
BT
staff
until
the
end
of
August
is?
Is
this
something
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
as
far
as
allocating
funds
for
2024.?
F
If
you're
talking
about
a
a
study,
then
we
might
not
know
how
much
we
would
need
to
appropriate
for
2024
until
that
study
is
concluded.
So
I'm
wondering
about
how
you
envision
the
timeline.
G
I
mean
I,
don't
think
I
have
that
luxury
to
Envision
the
timeline
I'm
just
taking
the
next
logical
step,
which
is
to
say
we
should
do
this
and
we
should
study
how
to
do
it.
That
would
have
been
inevitable.
I
mean
we
wouldn't
have
just
built
a
shuttle.
We
would
have
studied
how
to
do
it.
We
would
have
asked
for
a
specific
proposal
from
BT,
but
because
they're
planning
a
corridor
study
anyway,
I
think
I
mean
that
was
something
that
came
up
only
in
the
past
couple
of
days
that
I
I
knew
about
that.
G
So
I
think
that's
certainly
the
next
thing
we
could
do
so
councilmember
sandberg's
idea
that
we
should
just
approve
it
tonight
to
send
the
signal
that
we
want
to
see
that
happen.
That
seems
appealing
to
me
when
I
before
I
just
thought.
Well,
we
should
amend
it
to
be
more
specific,
but
you
know
I
think
that
would
be
fine
too.
A
I'll
take
a
round
yeah
I'll,
take
a
turn.
Thank
you
for
this
presentation,
generally
I'm,
very
supportive
of
what
I've
read
here
and
again
in
agreement
with
a
lot
of
what
I've
heard
in
terms
of
frequency
over
distance
and
so
forth.
The
one
thing
I
find
myself
thinking
about
is
ours
and
I.
Think
that's
an
interesting
question
about.
A
When
will
when
will
this
resource
do
the
most
good?
When
will
it
be
most
helpful
to
us
and
I
find
myself
thinking
about
the
IU
Auditorium
and
its
shuttle?
It
runs
a
shuttle,
a
circular
route,
from
parking
garage
to
parking
garage
to
the
auditorium
from
parking
garage.
A
You
know
to
the
auditorium
on
event,
nights
for
want
of
a
better
term
and
so
I'm
wondering
if,
rather
than
a
blanket
extension
to
evening
hours
or
a
blanket
extension
to
Saturdays
or
what
have
you,
we
can
do
so
more
selectively,
at
least
at
first
and
look
at
event,
weekends
of
one
kind
or
another.
When
a
shuttle
like
this
would
really
make
a
difference
in
or
or
a
circulator
like.
A
G
Would
just
say
that
my
concept
for
this
ends
at
the
corner
of
seventh
and
Woodlawn
and
anything
beyond
that
I
think
is
incumbent
upon
IU
to
to
help
with
it
I
mean
if
we
can
integrate
the
money
they
spend
on
the
shuttle
for
special
events
and
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
be
able
to
handle
that
capacity
unless
we
actually
took
the
downtown
shuttle
and
made
him
60-foot
buses
or
whatever
the
regular
buses
for
the
purpose
of
that
event,
which
is
what
they're
already
doing
so
I,
don't
know
how
that
would
work.
A
G
C
In
agreement
with
council
member
Sandberg
that
I'm
I'm
happy
to
support
this
this
evening,
this
is
councilmember
fallen's
resolution.
If
he
wants
to
postpone,
because
we're
down
to
council
members
to
have
the
unanimity
of
the
entire
body
I
support
that
too
or
if,
if,
if
more
specificity
is
required.
But
I'm
I'm
happy
with
more
of
a
general
resolution
as
it
is
and
have
the
specifics
worked
on
by
people
who
have
that
expertise
as.
G
A
Okay,
in
that
case,
let's
go
to
public
comment.
If
you
are
here
in
Chambers-
and
that
seems
rather
sparse
at
this
point
but
glad
you're
here,
please
feel
welcome
to
approach
the
podium
Mr
Lucas.
Can
you
extend
our
invitation
on
Zoom,
please
for
comments
on
or
on
resolution.
2310.
H
P
Good
evening,
Adam
president,
this
is
my
second
time
to
the
podium.
It's
Christopher
mg
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
I
just
want
to
commend
council
member
of
Owen
on
his
presentation
and
the
use
of
creed
fund
for
activities
that
it
was
created
to
do,
and
that
was
to
promote
the
downtown
area
and
I.
Think
that's.
When
I
first
came
upon
this
body,
it
was
now
I
guess
a
year
ago
to
use
these
Creed
funds
as
they
were
intended
not
to
get
lost
in
the
general
fund.
I
don't
have.
P
We
don't
have
an
opinion
necessarily
on
this
circular,
but
it's
something
that
I
think
should
be
looked
into
and
something
that
could
be
a
big
benefit
to
the
downtown
area.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
C
Just
to
say,
I
know
that
councilmember
Rollins
been
advocating
this
for
15
years.
Probably
I
know
that
councilmember
sturbaum
was
interested
in
this
idea
too.
Other
others
usually
came
up
at
budget
time
when
we
were
discussing
BT's
budget
and
the
director
of
BT
at
the
time
lumay
expressed
an
interest
but
was
lacking.
C
The
funds
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
good
utilization
of
the
of
the
Crete
funds
to
launch
something
like
this
I
think
it's
useful
for
optimizing
parking
I
think
it's
very
helpful
for
bringing
Vitality
to
downtown
businesses
and
restaurants
and
so
forth.
So
I
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
this
and
I
appreciate
council
member
of
Olin
bringing
it
forward
I'll
be
supporting
him.
F
Yeah
I
am
excited
about
this
possibility
and
I'm
in
support
of
the
resolution.
One
other
comment
about
possible
decisions
down
the
road
is
that
the
late
night
service-
you
know
it's
not
all
or
nothing.
It's
not.
We
have
the
service
until
3
A.M
or
we
don't
have
it
I
mean
we
could
have
it
until
1am
or
until
2
A.M,
but
only
Friday
and
Saturday
nights.
You
know
things
like
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
nuance.
F
There
and
I
think
that
I'm
confident
that
we
and
the
BT
board,
while
engaging
in
public
Outreach,
we
could,
we
could
come
up
with
a
plan
that
I
would
be
very
happy
to
launch
and
then,
of
course,
adjustments
can
be
made
in
the
future.
So
I
think
I
appreciate,
councilmember
and
bringing
this
forward,
and
this
is
an
exciting
first
step
if
we
can
show
the
mayor's
Administration
that
this
is
something
the
council
would
like
to
see.
G
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
willingness
to
express
their
ideas
tonight.
It's
clear
that
we
have
some
challenges,
trying
to
balance
obviousness
with
complexity.
We
need
both.
The
shuttle
needs
to
be
clear
how
it
works,
but
we
also
need
to
be
using
a
scalpel,
not
a
cudgel,
to
make
it
work
right.
I
do
think
that
I
was
encouraged
by
the
willingness
of
council
to
entertain
differential
pricing
for
meters.
G
I
think
that,
even
if
it
doesn't
fund
everything
parking
meter,
revenue
is
going
to
be
a
very
important
where
it's
going
to
be
important
for
us
to
commit
some
amount
of
it
to
helping
with
the
service
once
we
figure
out.
G
The
passage
of
this
resolution.
I
think
the
The
Next
Step
would
be
to
ask
the
admin.
I
mean
I'll,
be
I.
Think
the
a
positive
vote
here
should
send
the
message
to
the
administration
that,
yes,
they
should
give
Bloomington
Transit
the
extra
money
they
need
to
include
a
downtown
circulator
in
their
imminent
Corridor
study
with
their
consultant.
That's
certainly
the
very
next
step.
Thank
you.
D
D
A
H
P
All
right,
the
third
time
is
Christopher
mg,
not
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
but
as
a
resident
of
Sunnyslope
and
one
that
I'd
want
to
comment
on
the
sanitation
that
was
sort
of
punted
last
week.
That
I
did
not
comment
just
to
reiterate
one
of
the
opinions
I
had,
which
was,
as
we
enter
budget
season
here,
I
think
getting
a
proposal
on
that.
P
That
makes
everybody
unhappy
with
a
maybe
a
25
increase
that
kind
of
goes
toward
the
increased
cost
that
Mr
wayson
went
through,
but
it
also
brings
up
a
larger
point
where
I
just
don't
think
either
the
council
has
a
sense
of
what
our
books
here
look
like
on
on
on
the
state
of
the
city.
We
did
pass
the
lid
increase
last
year,
so
there
is
that
additional
Revenue.
But
what
are
our
you
know?
What
are
our
obligations?
P
What
what
funds
do
we
have
and
I
think
that's
going
to
take
an
outside
auditor
and
when's
the
last
time
that's
happened.
I
know:
that's
not
the
purview
of
the
counselor
to
do
that,
but
a
resolution
that
supports
that
that
gives
us
citizens
a
sense
of
financially
where
we're,
where
we're
at
and
we're
going
to
have
a
new
Administration
and
a
new
Council
come
January
and
I.
Think
putting
them
in
the
best
situation
to
succeed
is
is
not
a
bad
idea
to
look
into
so
I.
A
H
Quick
items:
the
first
is
a
reminder
that
the
council
will
be
on
recess
after
this
evening's
meeting.
Our
next
scheduled
meeting
is
July,
26th
I
believe
that's
the
last
Wednesday
in
July.
So
we
will
see
you
in
five
weeks.
I
also
wanted
to
get
a
sense
from
Council,
Members
I
believe
you
all
may
have
been
invited
to
a
meeting
of
the
Hopewell
steering
committee
next
next
week
on
June
28th.
That's
next
Wednesday
I
understand,
there's
a
public
meeting
from
3
P.M
to
4
30
p.m,
with
a
reception
to
follow.
H
That
will
be
noticed
as
a
cbci
board
meeting.
If
enough
of
you
are
interested
in
planning
to
attend,
Council
staff
can
notice
that
as
a
possible
council
meeting
as
well,
I
wanted
to
gauge
members
interest
in
that
and
see
if
members
were
planning
to
attend.