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From YouTube: Bloomington City Council, June 14, 2023
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A
C
C
Thank
you.
Let's
continue
with
our
land
and
labor
acknowledgment
for
the
city
of
Bloomington.
We
recognize
that
the
city
of
Bloomington
sits
on
native
land.
The
city
as
well
as
City
administrative
buildings,
are
on
the
traditional
homelands
of
the
Miami
Delaware
Potawatomi
and
Shawnee
people,
and
we
acknowledge
that
they
are
past
present
and
future
caretakers
of
this
land.
We
also
acknowledge
that
much
of
the
economic
progress
and
development
in
Indiana
and
specifically
Bloomington
resulted
from
the
unpaid,
labor
and
forced
servitude
of
people
of
color,
specifically
enslaved,
African
labor.
C
Let's
continue
with
an
agenda
summation.
We
have
no
minutes
to
approve
this
evening.
We'll
then,
therefore
move
into
reports,
including
reports
from
Council
Members
reports
from
the
mayor
and
city
offices
included.
There
is
the
annual
tax
abatement
and
economic
development
commission
report,
any
reports
from
Council
committees
and
then
that
will
take
us
to
our
first
of
two
periods
of
public
comment.
C
We'll
then
take
up
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions.
If
any,
we
will
then
go
to
legislation
for
second
readings
and
resolutions
included.
There
is
resolution
2308
authorizing
the
allocations
of
the
Jack
Hopkins
Social
Services
Program
funds
for
the
year
2023
and
related
matters,
ordinance,
2312,
an
ordinance
to
amend
or
an
ordinance
to
amend,
ordinance,
2226
previously
amended
by
ordinance
2240,
which
fixed
the
salaries
of
appointed
officers,
non-union
and
afscme
employees
for
all
the
Departments
of
the
city
of
Bloomington,
Monroe
County
Indiana
for
the
year
2023
regarding
to
reflect
updates
needing
implementation
in
2023.
C
We
have
no
legislation
for
first
readings
this
evening.
That
will
take
us
to
our
second
of
two
periods
of
public
comment.
We'll
then
take
up
matters
of
council
schedule
and
then
we'll
adjourn
so
with
that.
We
have
no
minutes
for
approval
this
evening,
so
that
takes
us
directly
to
our
period
of
reports,
beginning
with
reports
from
Council
Members
I'll
start
on
my
far
left
council
member
Boland.
D
E
E
C
G
F
H
H
H
But
when
I
got
there
now,
Not
only
was
it
George,
Vai
or
judge
by,
but
her
husband
George
was
there,
of
course,
and
many
of
you
will
know
some
of
these
names,
Dr
Audrey
McCluskey
was
there
and
her
husband,
John
Gene
Devane
was
there
and
his
wife
Gladys
and
they
included
us.
They
invited
us
and
they
were
great
mentors.
H
It
was
great
mutual
respect
and
they
listened
to
us
and
I
mean
I've
done
a
lot
of
things
in
this
town
since
we've
been
here
over
four
decades.
But
when
I
look
back
on
things,
that
was
one
of
the
pivotal
things
that
got
me
involved
and
to
the
point
of
where
I
am
today
because
of
mentorship,
including
folks,
listening
and
mutual
respect.
So
most
people
will
say
rip
I'll,
say
rest
in
heaven
judge
by.
Thank
you.
I
I
College
and
walnut-
and
there
are
meetings
that
folks
can
pop
into
during
the
day
tomorrow,
and
then
there
is
another
public
meeting
tomorrow
night
at
6,
PM
to
7
30
here
in
council
chambers,
where
folks
are
going
to
be
talking
about
like
just
some
very
loose
potential
ideas
that
can
happen,
so
you
can
come
and
say
what
you
like,
what
you
don't
like
and
what
you
might
want
to
see
if
anything
to
be
different.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
K
Good
evening,
council
members,
I'm
Alex
Crowley
I'm,
the
director
of
Economic
and
sustainable
development,
I'm,
going
to
give
you
some
brief
opening
remarks
and
then
De
la
Rosa
who's.
The
assistant
director
for
small
business,
we'll
take
you
through
the
meat
of
the
presentation
that
we
have
this
evening,
will
be
open
at
the
end
for
questions
and
happy
to
answer
any
of
them.
So
what
seems
like
a
bit
of
a
routine
process
where
we
come
to
you
every
year?
K
That
will
detail
through
the
active
tax,
abatements
and
and
some
others
are
proposed
for
the
future
and
in
a
lot
of
these
cases
very
successfully,
so
the
outcomes
that
we
were
seeking
at
the
time
of
the
tax
evame
and
have
in
fact
you
know,
happened
and
that's
an
important
thing
to
recognize.
We've
made
some
changes
this
year
we
improved
the
presentation
somewhat
from
last
year.
You
may
recall
last
year's
presentation
significantly
overhauled
the
previous
format.
We
thought
it
was
a
lot
clearer
to
present
it.
K
K
Mercifully,
none
of
us
is
born,
knowing
how
to
read
a
sb1
forum
and
how
to
analyze
a
tax
abatement,
but
she's
done
a
really
good
job,
and
it's
particularly
important
for
us
to
have
continuity
in
in
the
ability
to
do
this
task
annually,
particularly
with
the
turnover
of
administration.
So
we
thrust
her
into
it.
She's
done
a
really
terrific
job
and
I
want
to
thank
her
for
her
work.
K
This
is,
we
have
to
acknowledge
an
imperfect
system,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
imperfections
that
we
should
draw
attention
to
number
one
annually:
people
file
what
are
called
cf1
forms
and
you'll
see
that
represented.
They
are
chronically
not
user-friendly.
We
have
major
accounting
firms
serving
major
corporations,
submitting
forms
and
not
doing
it
correctly.
K
The
second
imperfection
is
that,
while
we
take
the
not
required
step
of
communicating
well
in
advance
to
tax
abatement
recipients,
that
they
should
be
submitting
their
form,
not
everybody
does,
and
they
don't
do
it
on
time,
and
so
we
have
to
chase
them
down.
Sometimes-
and
in
fact
this
this
evening,
we'll
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
a
situation
that
we
have
where
we
have
not
yet
received
the
cf1
form.
So
there's
no
way
that
we
can
actually
recommend
that
particular
tax
payment.
K
There's
a
process
associated
with
that
and
then
the
last
imperfection
of
the
system
is
that
there's
actually
a
regulatory
compression
of
time.
So
the
the
annual
abatement
reporting
is
due
on
May,
15th
and
there's
a
very
short
window
before
you
all
leave,
and
you
need
to
be
making
a
judgment
on
these
in
that
compressed
window
and
all
of
that
analysis,
all
of
the
back
and
forth
all
of
the
chasing
people
around
has
to
happen
within
that
window.
K
So
a
couple
highlights
from
this
year
number
one:
the
economic
development
commission
unanimously
approved
staff's
recommendation
last
Friday.
So
just
a
couple
of
days
ago,
we
appreciate
council
member
Flaherty,
who
serves
as
your
representative
on
the
economic
development
commission
being
part
of
what
ended
up
being
actually
a
pretty
Lively
discussion.
There
were
some
issues
and
challenges
in
the
Eds.
The
economic
development
commission
did
a
nice
job,
really
kind
of
probing
on
on
certain
parts
of
our
recommendation.
K
We
do
have,
as
I
mentioned
one
Gap
this
evening,
so
we
did
not
receive
one
cf1
form,
which
is
the
reporting
mechanism
and
you'll,
see
that's
related
to
Urban
station,
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
discuss
cattle
in
some
detail.
As
you
that's
a
complex
series
of
tax
payments,
so
in
terms
of
future
improvements
and
analyzes
that
we
want
to
do
and
now
that
we
have
a
stone
Municipal
to
help
us
number
one,
it
Bears
repeating
something
that
that
we
actually
have
heard
from
the
outside
that
we
do
a
pretty
good
job.
K
We
know
the
value
that
the
applicant
intends
to
make
into
a
project,
whether
that's
a
affordable
housing
project
or
an
investment
in
commercial
project,
and
so
we
know
that,
and
we
have
to
make
an
assumption
about
how
that
will
ultimately
be
assessed.
That
is
just
an
assumption
and
you'll
see
it
represented.
We
are
not.
They
are
not
committing
to
an
assessment.
K
We
don't
really
know
how
it's
going
to
get
assessed
and
and
so
we're
just
taking
we're,
making
a
rule
of
thumb
kind
of
assumption,
and
so,
when
we
say
to
you,
hey
the
value
of
this
abatement
over
the
period
of
time
that
we're
proposing
is
X
that
that
isn't.
That
is
a
guess,
because,
again,
there's
so
much
variance
in
terms
of
how
things
are
assessed.
K
So
that's
the
first
thing:
the
assessment
changes
over
time,
which
we
are
you
know
at
the
time
unable
to
to
predict
what
that's
going
to
look
like
and
then
the
other
thing
that
changes
over
time
is
the
tax
rate.
So
all
of
those
things
come
into
play.
So
when
we
come
to
you
and
we
say
hey,
we
think
this
tax
abatement
is
worth
doing.
K
We've
done
it
a
couple
of
times
already
in
my
10
here
at
the
city
want
to
keep
doing
that,
get
outside
feedback
of
how
we
can
improve
our
policies
and
so
I
think
Stone
Municipal
can
help
us
with
that.
So,
as
I
said,
I
will
be
available
with
D.
I
may
handle
more
of
the
questions
because
again
she's
kind
of
new
at
this,
but
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Larry
Allen
is
also
here
to
be
able
to
answer.
L
L
We
will
continue
with
a
summary
of
the
commission
commissions
and
other
22
activity
after
the
presentation,
ASD
and
snow
Municipal,
hopefully,
will
address
any
questions
for
the
council.
In
an
earlier
draft,
we
presented
to
the
economic
development
Commission
on
June
9th.
We
gained
their
unanimous
recommendation
to
advance
it
to
the
council
this
evening.
L
The
taxpayer
submits
the
cf-1
by
May
15
each
year
to
the
county
auditor
and
the
city
clerk.
The
city
has
assigned
the
Department
of
Economic
and
sustainable
development,
responsibility
for
compiling
and
reporting
to
the
economic
development,
commission
and
the
council.
The
EDC
forwards,
the
final
report
to
the
council
for
any
action.
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L
The
EDC
then
recommends
it
to
the
common
Council
for
approval
for
an
economic,
revitalization
area
or
era,
as
well
as
an
abatement
term
and
schedule.
The
common
Council
has
a
two-step
process.
It
reviews
the
staff
memo
the
EDC
resolution
and
supporting
documents.
Before
approving
and
a
designating
resolution,
then
it
holds
a
public
hearing
and
approves,
if
applicable,
an
affirmative
resolution.
L
If
an
abatement
is
approved,
it
allows
for
the
in
phase
of
property
taxes
on
new
assessed
value.
The
term
of
abatement
on
real
property
is
one
to
ten
years,
and
the
term
of
personal
property
is
typically
10
years,
but
may
go
up
to
20.
the
designating
body
either
approves
a
set
abatement
schedule
or
provides
an
alternative
deduction
schedule.
L
This
slide
Compares
actual
investment
against
proposed
investment
on
the
original
sb1
forms
by
type
of
abatement.
You
can
see
that
the
total
actual
investment
was
128
point
million
dollars
over
the
proposed
investment,
as
the
soil
mix
use
taxpayer
did
not
file.
You
will
see
that
indicated
by
dnf,
which
stands
for
did
not
file.
L
Cf1
average
is
not
adjusting
for
partial
employment,
nor
temporary
jobs
like
construction,
other
non-permanent
employment
and
unknown
salary,
information
from
some
businesses
that
may
be
leasing,
space
and
mixed-use
developments,
non-reported
information
and
commission
benefits
which
may
have
accounted
for
the
lower
overall
wage.
When
you
see
the
difference
between
this
sb1
and
the
cf1
average
salary.
L
L
L
L
All
of
Southern
Knowles
units
are
affordable
to
households
at
or
below
80
percent
of
the
average
median
income.
At
least
75
percent
of
the
units
are
affordable
to
housing
at
or
below.
60
percent
of
the
Ami
seven
units
are
set
aside
as
permanent
Supportive
Housing
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness.
L
This
property
is
in
its
third
year
of
abatement
at
98
percent.
It
exceeds
the
proposed
benefits
on
the
cf-1
and
capital
Investments
new
employment
and
salary.
It
is
compliant
with
affordability
requirements
and
the
current
assessed
value
is
nearly
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
at
69
percent
of
its
sb1
estimated
value.
L
L
Union
at
Crescent
is
in
its
year
four
of
its
abatement.
We
have
received
confirmation
from
housing
and
neighborhood
development
that
they
are
in
compliance
with
their
commitment
to
70
percent
of
their
units
dedicated
to
affordable
housing.
It
is
met
compliance
requirements
for
capital,
investment
and
jobs
created
and
has
exceeded
its
salary
requirements.
L
L
L
Real
estate
improvements
are
complete,
the
taxpayer
no
longer
plans
to
make
the
personal
property
investment
related
to
this
abatement.
Given
the
changes
in
technology,
it
doesn't
seem
feasible
for
the
abatement
to
continue
or
the
abatement
to
start
on
personal
property.
The
staff
finds
this
abatement
to
be
compliant.
L
The
Foundry
is,
in
its
year
four
of
its
real
property
abatement.
The
Foundry
has
exceeded
its
capital
investment
commitment.
It
complies
with
jobs,
retained
exceeding
new
employment
expectations
and
their
respective
reported
salaries.
Its
current
AV
on
improvements
is
19
million.
Two
hundred
and
sixty
one
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
L
The
question
that
we
have-
and
this
is
also
kind
of
part
of
the
form
reporting
problem-
is
that
if
you
see
the
new
salaries
and
the
new
employment,
it
kind
of
you
kind
of
infer
that
the
six
million
dollars
is
being
applied
to
the
38
as
opposed
to
being
applied
to
the
entire
92
total.
So
obviously,
it's
probably
something
that
we
should
look
into,
although
if
you
do
the
math
that
does
come
out
right,
but
we'd
like
to
see
how
we
can
make
that
a
little
bit
clearer
for
next
year.
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L
L
Next
slide,
we'll
learn:
email
holds
a
real
property
abatement
for
its
development.
Off
Top
Road,
its
public
benefit,
is
renovating
an
abandoned
Limestone
Mill
into
a
mixed
use,
facility
and
Rehabilitation
of
the
mill
to
historical
standards
of
the
Secretary
of
interior,
Woolery,
Mill
Adventures,
completed
phase
one
the
event
space
in
May
2019..
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C
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These
abatements
cover
separate
expansion,
phases
and
employee
growth
projections.
The
city's
initial
abatement
was
with
cook
Pharmaca,
which
was
acquired
by
cattle
in
Indiana.
Real
property
and
personal
property.
Abatements
have
distinct
phases.
Cf-1's
report,
Blended
employment
figures
across
the
abatements
cf-1
data
reflects
the
total
annual
payroll
and
year-end
head
count.
Catalan's
2022
resolution
2206
abatement
is
pending.
In
other
words,
the
company
has
chosen
not
to
trigger
the
abatement
benefits
via
submission
of
a
cf-1
form
and
therefore
not
included
in
the
compliance
assessment.
L
L
Abatement
904
unreal
property
is
in
year
two
and
exceeded
capital
investment
commitments,
abatement
904
on
real
I'm,
sorry
on
personal
property
is
in
year
three
and
exceeded
sb1
capital
investment
commitments
and
the
current
AV
on
improvements
for
1904.
Both
real
and
personal
property
is
85
million
dollars.
L
This
slide
addresses
salary
growth
across
all
three
abatements.
It
has
exceeded
Targets
on
total
salaries
and
new
salaries,
retained
salaries,
skewed
low
because
catalent
reports,
a
total
annual
salary
against
the
year
in
head
count.
However,
Catalan
confirmed
that
when
the
monthly
headcount
and
the
month
I'm
sorry,
the
monthly
headcount
and
the
monthly
payroll
are
taken
together.
The
average
wage
of
the
Catalan
employees
is
66
200
annually
or
31
and
31.80
hourly.
L
In
summary,
personal
property,
Capital
Investments
for
1506
exceed
commitments,
real
and
personal
property
Investments
for
1904
exceed
commitments.
Cumulative
employee
growth
significantly
exceeds
commitments.
Cf1
data
reflects
the
total
annual
payroll
and
year-end
head
count.
Therefore,
staff
recommends
a
finding
of
substantial
compliance
for
Catalan
across
all
abatements.
L
The
following
two
abatements
have
received
a
formal
approval:
approval
from
Council,
but
have
not
yet
been
activated.
I
referred
to
it
earlier,
a
catalent
resolution
22206
approved
real
and
personal
property
abatements
for
Catalan
for
a
total
I'm,
sorry
for
a
total
capital,
investment
of
350
million
dollars
and
one
thousand
jobs
at
an
average
salary
of
32
dollars
per
hour
or
66
000,
500,
I'm,
sorry,
66,
560
dollars.
L
L
L
Other
Economic
Development
commission
activity
for
2022
January,
real
property
and
personal
property
tax
abatement
for
catalent
Indiana
LLC,
passed
by
the
Bloomington
common
Council
in
February
of
2022
compliance
on
or
before
December
20,
I'm,
sorry,
December,
31st
2026
at
315
million
dollars
in
real
and
personal
property
investment
and
900
new
jobs.
I'm
sorry.
That
figure
is
actually
wrong.
L
D
K
You
noticed
on
the
cattle
at
the
passive
cattle
and
tax
statement
it
was
listed
as
315
million
and
900.
That
was
actually
correct
because
it
because
they
have
to
achieve
ninety
percent
of
the
of
of
their
commitment,
so
that
that's
how
you
get
to
the
nine
9
900
jobs
instead
of
a
thousand
and
315
instead
of
350
million.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was
clear
to
you.
F
Yes,
so
I
have
a
question
about
the
actual
assessed
value
versus
the
projected
assessed
value
for
many
of
these,
or
several
of
these
it
was
the
actual,
is
quite
a
bit
less.
Can
you
speak
to
that
I
think
you
you
referred
to
that
indirectly
in
your
opening,
when
you
talked
about
some
of
the
problems
in
the
process,
but
can
you
expand
on
that?
Please
yeah.
K
K
So
one
thing
that
you
that
I
should
underscore
is
that
not
in
in
every
case
here
we
have
either
confirmed
the
cf1
assessed
value
as
as
submitted
by
the
by
the
applicant
or
the
recipient
of
the
tax
payment
or
in
the
case
where
it
was
actually
wrong.
We've
reflected
in
our
presentation
what
the
actual
assessed
value
is
according
to
the
record,
so
it
changes
every
year.
I
do
agree
with
you
that
there
are
some
inconsistencies
in
terms
of
the
ratio
between
what
was
invested
and
what
the
assessment
is.
K
K
K
Is
a
complicated
abatement
if
you
have
read
through
as
DIA
has
done,
this
thing
dates
way
back
to
I,
think
2004.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
it
was
started
in
2004,
then
it
was
renewed
at
some
point
in
the
early
teens
by
my
predecessor
and
then,
as
dee
pointed
out,
the
work
was
actually
completed
in
the
assessment
triggered
starting
in
2019.
K
As
far
as
we
can
tell,
the
original
intent
of
this
was
that
there
be
a
pretty
substantial
Redevelopment,
but
it
would
be
broken
up
into
phases
and
the
you
know,
the
the
petitioner
or
the
the
property
owner
still
hopes
and
is
working
towards
trying
to
get
those
additional
substantial
phases
done.
Originally,
it
had
anticipated
a
hotel
and
and
housing
housing
is
still
on
the
table.
F
K
K
We
this
is
such
a
complicated
property
to
work
on,
and
so
we
are
crediting
the
landowner
for
the
for
the
work
they've
already
done,
it's
not
at
exactly
the
level
that
we
had
that
they
had
anticipated
we'd
hope
to
see.
We
do
hope
that
there
is
that
continued
ability
to
develop
further.
It's
I
mean
it's
a
beautiful
facility
down
there,
so
we
really.
We
want
to
try
to
encourage
their
ongoing
investment
and
engagement
and
the
property.
So
our
judgment
on
this
is
yes,
it
is.
K
C
K
K
Unfortunately,
we're
working
from
submitted
information,
and
so
we
need
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
and
understand
what's
going
on
there,
and
we
believe
that
one
of
the
things
that
may
be
happening
in
that
case
is
that
the
submitted
form
had
captured
the
entirety
of
the
increased
assessed
value,
whereas
in
fact
that
particular
abatement
is
only
targeted
to
the
commercial
space,
not
the
entire
footprint
of
the
building.
So
there's
some
basic.
K
If
you
look,
this
is
a
17.8
million
dollars
in
real
estate
investment
there's
no
way
that
it
gets
assessed
at
19
million
right
that
that's
totally
out
of
whack
with
some
of
the
other
relationships
between
those
two.
So
we
think
that
there's
some
problems
going
on,
so
we
had
a
couple
of
those
situations
where
the
data
just
didn't
make
sense
and
and
that
this
is
being
one
of
them,
and
so
the
the
liveliness
of
the
discussion
is
because
we
have
very
engaged,
and
thankfully
so
Economic
Development
Commissioners.
K
They
are
looking
closely
at
the
numbers
they
were
uncomfortable
with.
The
fact
that
they
were
asked
to
you
know
assess
something
when
some
of
the
data
that
we
were
getting
in
was
either
incomplete.
In
some
cases
we
filled
it
in
or
didn't
make
sense,
and-
and
so
you
know,
we
were
trying
to
basically
air
out
some
of
those,
but
in
the
end
I
think
they
agreed
that
the
compliance
is
really
the
the
major
issue.
K
C
N
N
C
F
C
C
C
Thank
you
that
passes
so
and
thank
you
to
the
staff
from
economic
and
sustainable
development,
and
we
are
right
on
time
remarkably.
So
so,
with
that
we
come
to
reports
from
Council
committees.
Are
there
any
I'm
not
aware
of
any
but
okay?
That
takes
us
to
our
first
of
two
periods
of
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
agenda
is:
could
I
have
a
show
of
hands
here
in
Council
in
Chambers
of
those
who
would
like
to
offer
comment
for
items
not
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
I
see
two
here:
Mr
Lucas.
N
O
Great
thanks,
my
name
is
Greg
Alexander
I,
never
know
if
I
should
respond
to
the
updates.
We
get
from
Public
Works.
Take
this
slide.
For
example,
if
he
accidentally
says
Lane
miles,
it
looks
like
there's
more
sidewalks
than
the
street,
which
there
isn't,
but
this
year
he
said
the
correct
word
Center
Line
miles.
O
We
want
sidewalk
on
each
side
of
the
streets.
There
should
be
twice
as
many
and
there
is
nowhere
even
close
to
that
we're
barely
halfway
there
I
don't
even
want
to
nitpick
something
like
that.
Next
slide.
Please
honestly,
this
one
felt
like
he
was
baiting
me
all
the
numbers
here
are
ludicrous:
there
isn't
even
a
billion
square
feet
of
land
in
the
whole
city,
let
alone
7
billion
of
sidewalks,
really
I.
Don't
care
that
someone
made
a
mistake,
all
sorts
of
crazy
things
happen
when
people
start
playing
with
calculators.
O
The
original
slide
said
we
have
more
area
of
sidewalks
than
of
streets,
though
I
I
can't
leave
that
alone.
It's
about
five
times
as
many
I
did
my
own
estimates
using
data
from
Public
Works
they're
much
better
than
his
estimates,
but
they're
still
not
perfect.
We
have
about
five
times
as
much
Street
areas,
sidewalk
area.
O
O
Look
at
all
that
green
all
those
sidewalks
in
good
condition,
mission
accomplished
something
we
should
be
proud
of.
I,
don't
even
know
how
to
talk
about
something
like
this,
my
grandma,
they
said
of
her.
She
wouldn't
say
it
if
she
had
a
mouthful
of
it.
You
know
it
is
such
a
severe
misrepresentation.
O
When
you
see
such
a
ridiculous
number,
don't
you
know
it's
false?
The
question
should
be.
Where
was
the
mistake?
He
should
have
asked
that
before
he
came
to
you
guys,
that's
easy.
I
looked
up
the
contract
for
the
study.
We
didn't
pay
for
sidewalk,
surface
testing.
They
offer
that
product.
They
told
us
it
would
be
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
they
would
test
the
surface
condition
of
our
sidewalks
and
we
didn't
choose
that
option.
No
sidewalk
condition
study
was
performed.
O
So
what
did
they
report
if
we
didn't
pay
them
to
study
it?
The
contract
says
quote:
sidewalk
condition
attribute
will
be
visually
rated,
so
it
turns
out
what
they
did.
They
took
one
photo
from
a
dash
camera,
that's
on
a
truck
just
sitting
on
the
dashboard,
seeing
what
the
driver
sees
and
if
they
looked
at
that
one
photo
and
couldn't
see
the
sidewalk
well
enough
to
tell
that
it
was
crumbling.
They
said
it
was
in
good
condition
and
then
they
Mark
the
whole
block.
O
What
an
example
of
how
Public
Works
use
sidewalks
if
they
look
good
to
the
driver
of
car
they're
good
enough.
The
thing
is.
The
purpose
of
the
report
last
week
was
to
explain
why
the
upcoming
Public
Works
budget
is
going
to
double
one
of
the
many
pools
of
money
used
for
Street
Maintenance,
and
in
support
of
that,
the
director
felt
it
was
prudent
to
do
a
Victory
lap
on
sidewalks
he's
saying:
sidewalk
maintenance
shouldn't
be
a
budget
priority,
because
we
already
have
great
sidewalks.
O
This
body
has
repeatedly
shown
it
is
unwilling
to
supervise
the
budget
process.
The
only
Authority
in
the
whole
city
that
can
decide
to
allocate
money
to
sidewalks
is
using
this
disinformation
and
presenting
it
to
you
guys
if
it
was
true
as
if
it
was
plausible,
I
should
be
able
to
stay
at
home
and
have
dinner
with
my
family,
without
department
heads
presenting
fantastic
disinformation
to
excuse,
failing
to
fund
sidewalk
maintenance.
O
If
such
a
misrepresentation
can
come
from
such
a
position
of
unchecked
authority,
then
this
very
room
is
transformed
into
a
deceitful
place,
a
place
where
people's
work
is
undone.
If
the
budget
process
privileges
darkness-
and
there
is
no
room
for
light,
then
there's
no
point
you're
being
told
that
lies
have
more
influence
on
our
budget
than
this
body.
Does
the
purpose
this
body
is
being
mocked
and
the
citizens
are
being
harmed
thanks
for
your
time,.
C
P
Good
evening,
Council
Eric
spoon,
more
presidency,
yo,
the
greater
Bloomington
Chamber
of
Commerce
or
our
organization,
has
been
around
this
community.
For
108
years
we
represent
roughly
870
members,
80
percent
of
which
are
local
small
businesses,
all
of
the
businesses
that
we
know
and
love
that
make
Bloomington
such
a
wonderful,
vibrant,
compassionate
and
caring
Community
First
I
want
to
start
by
echoing
the
remarks
earlier
of
council
member
Sims.
Regarding
judge
Taliaferro,
it
was
a
sad
day
in
Monroe
County
and
in
the
state
of
Indiana.
When
we
lost
judge
Taliaferro,
she
was
a
trailblazer.
P
She
was
a
impactful
woman
leader
in
our
community,
we're
thinking
of
her
family
and
so
much
appreciate
the
council's
kind
words
about
her
and
her
service
in
Bloomington,
Monroe
County.
So
thank
you
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
convention
center
and
the
potential
formation
of
a
capital
Improvement
board
I
attended
the
meeting
on
Monday,
where
several
of
you
were
at
along
with
County
officials
and
I've,
got
to
say
that
it
was
so
refreshing
to
see
City
officials
and
County
officials
back
at
the
table
again
talking
about
this
very
important
project.
P
That's
going
to
have
a
tremendous
impact
on
our
local
economy
and
our
regional
economy,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
applaud
you
for
the
thoughtfulness
that
you
have
put
into
in
the
team
that
has
put
into
the
draft
in
her
local
agreement.
I've
read
that
read
it
very
closely.
I
think
it's
particularly
be
brilliant.
P
Some
of
the
items
that
were
written
into
that,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
the
appointments
where
we
have
the
city
getting
the
mayor,
getting
two
appointments
where
there's
political
diversity
from
both
parties
involved,
with
that
the
County
Commissioners
getting
to
appointments
the
city
council
and
the
County
Council
getting
an
appointment,
and
then
what
I
thought
was
most
brilliant
was
that
those
six
people
will
then
appoint
the
seventh
member
of
the
capital.
Improvement
board
and
I
can't
tell
you
I,
don't
know
how
it
can
get
any
more
fair
than
that
I
think
also.
P
This
is
the
ideal
time
for
the
community
to
create
a
capital
Improvement
board,
especially
for
this
project.
I
know
you
all
in
the
city
are
extremely
busy
with
a
lot
of
important
projects
that
you're
considering
right
now,
particularly
with
the
Hopewell
project,
we're
very
excited
about
that
at
the
chamber,
but
it's
a
big
one.
The
exciting
fiber
infrastructure
project.
That's
going
on
right
now,
within
the
city,
it's
a
big
one.
It's
going
to
be
very
impactful
for
our
residents
and
our
businesses.
P
We've
got
a
brand
new
police
headquarters
that
you
all
are
going
to
have
to
build
and
manage
that.
So
just
a
lot
of
projects
going
on
in
the
city.
As
you
know,
the
County's
got
some
very
important
projects
going
on
as
well
too,
with
the
jail
and
the
Criminal
Justice
Reform
committees
and
discussions
that
are
happening
there.
So
you
know,
especially
as
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
major
transition
of
leadership
coming
to
the
city
in
the
next
six
months.
P
I
just
think
it's
the
right
time
for
a
capital
Improvement
board
to
take
the
reins
of
this
project
and
run
with
it
and
I
think
that
you
all
are
on
the
right
track.
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
some
tweaks
that
need
to
be
made
with
this
interlocal
agreement,
but
just
want
to
continue
to
encourage
you
all
to
work
with
the
county,
it's
so
nice
to
see
that
happening,
and
we
look
forward
to
all
the
developments
to
come
with
the
convention
center
and
please,
as
Chamber
of
Commerce.
P
You
know
you
know
that
we've
been
very
supportive
of
this
project,
since
the
County
Council
authorized
the
food
and
beverage
tax
back
in
2017,
and
we
want
to
help
in
any
way
that
we
can
so.
Thank
you
all.
So
much
I
also
see
a
lot
of
our
Public
Safety
officials
here
tonight
in
the
room
and
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
chamber
supports
all
the
work
that
you
do:
fire
protection
and
police
protection.
Thank
you
for
everything
that
you
do
in
our
community.
Q
Council
members,
Paul
Post
president
of
fop
Lodge
88.
I'm,
here,
to
give
you
and
the
public
a
mid-year
update
on
some
topics
that
we've
discussed
with
you
in
the
past.
First
BPD
recently
hired
two
more
officers
and
we
held
an
open
hiring
process
on
June
3rd,
where
168
invitations
were
sent
out
to
people
expressing
interest
in
open
positions,
we
certainly
need
it.
Bpd
remains
woefully
understaffed,
causing
massive
amounts
of
overtime
for
your
officers
to
work
just
to
cover
minimum
Staffing
levels.
Let
me
put
some
perspective
on
the
situation
at
a
previous
hiring
process.
Q
Q
We
could
have
hired
all
of
them
that
day
and
still
been
short
of
our
budget
105
goal
of
the
16.
Then
only
nine
passed
the
physical
test
and
moved
to
the
written
test,
with
only
five
passing
the
written
test
to
move
on
in
our
process,
in
stark
contrast,
our
numbers
this
past
weekend,
the
Carmel
Police
Department,
held
a
hiring
process
and
had
178
people
show
up.
Q
They
have
five
open
positions:
178
I'll!
Let
you
in
on
a
little
secret
here
too,
four
of
those
178
our
current
BPD
officers
looking
to
leave
vice
president
Rogers
is
also
going
to
provide
some
more
detail
on
that.
Next,
an
update
on
the
showers
West
building
project
you
previously
approved
this
year.
The
fop
team
has
been
included
in
a
few
more
of
the
meetings
with
the
architect
team
in
a
first
design
meeting
was
held
where
individual
employees
were
invited
to
attend
and
offer
suggestions
that
was
appreciated.
Q
We
certainly
did
not
know
this,
or
you
would
have
heard
us,
bring
it
up
rather
loudly
in
the
previous
discussions.
What
we're
seeing
now
is
a
rather
aggressive
rush
to
do
something
to
that
building
before
the
end
of
the
year,
rather
than
a
well-constructed,
well-thought-out
plan
to
make
it
the
best
we
can
of
that
space.
Council
members.
We
have
brought
up
suggestions
to
the
mayor
about
things
that
can
be
done
right
now
to
better
position
ourselves
to
attract
and
hire
already
certified
officers
from
around
our
area,
but
so
far
he
has
not
acted
on
them.
Q
Simple
non-contractual
equipment
changes
that
we
have
the
ability
to
do
right
now.
That
would
put
us
in
line
with
our
peers.
We
have
to
do
something
to
bring
in
lateral
hires,
but
also
retain
the
current
staff
that
we
have.
Incentives
are
great,
but
they
have
to
be
properly
directed
to
the
right
groups
and
actually
make
a
difference.
Q
R
I
think,
council
members,
my
name
is
Jeff
Rogers
and
I'm,
one
of
the
Union
representatives
of
the
Bloomington
Police
Department
and
picking
up
where
president
post
left
off
regarding
our
current
Staffing
numbers.
So
far
this
year,
BPD
has
already
lost
six
officers
with
one
just
this
past
Sunday,
the
next
one
we
know
of
leaves
June
23rd
for
the
Fishers,
Police
Department,
and
yet
another
is
scheduled
to
leave
by
August
1st.
This
will
put
us
at
83
officers.
R
This
is
the
Staffing
level
from
the
1980s
and
early
90s.
Just
think.
If
Carmel
does
decide
to
hire
all
four
of
those
officers
at
once,
or
would
that
leave
us
due
to
this
lack
of
Manpower
officers
have
had
to
pick
up
the
slack
in
order
to
maintain
the
level
of
service.
The
city
expects
from
its
Police
Department
in
terms
of
overtime.
Last
year,
BPD
spent
over
seven
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars
by
the
first
week
of
June.
Now,
we've
already
spent
over
six
hundred
and
three
thousand
dollars
for
2023..
R
R
This
is
time
not
spent
with
our
families,
not
getting
enough
sleep
officers
are
tired
about
every
six
months.
We
also
hear
about
another
Court
decision
that
furthers
the
efforts:
the
efforts
of
annexation,
the
city's
own
fiscal
plan
regarding
annexation
states
that
BPD
will
need
an
additional
24
to
31
officers
in
order
to
provide
effective
services
for
the
annexed
area.
At
this
rate,
it's
going
to
take
us
at
least
10
years
to
get
back
to
the
105
officers
that
we're
currently
budgeted
at
much
less
start
to
add
the
new
needed
Staffing
for
annexation.
R
R
R
We
now
have
to
incentivize
retention
of
our
veteran
officers
and
recruitment
of
lateral
officers,
those
that
have
already
that
already
have
families
and
may
have
already
put
down
roots
in
surrounding
counties.
These
officers
look
at
benefits
just
like
every
other
person
does
before
they
think
about
applying
for
a
salary
position.
One
of
the
major
benefits
the
police
officers
expect
to
see
is
a
take-home
vehicle
for
officers.
This
is
a
professional
standard
in
law
enforcement
and
is
provided
by
almost
every
other
municipality
in
our
state.
R
Currently,
BPD
has
the
vehicles
and
infrastructure
to
provide
take-home
vehicles
to
all
officers
tomorrow.
The
only
reason
this
has
not
been
done
is
because
the
mayor
has
stated
he
doesn't
want
to
see
BPD
vehicles
to
be
parked
in
surrounding
counties.
Unfortunately,
not
everyone
wants
to
or
can't
afford
to
live
inside
the
city
limits.
R
C
Mr
Dove
for
that
comment.
That'll
conclude
this
period
of
public
comment.
We'll
have
a
second
period
of
public
comment
later
on
this
evening.
That
brings
us
to
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions.
Do
we
have
any
from
interview
team,
a
interview,
Team
B
or
interview
team
C
interview,
team
council,
member
Piedmont,
Smith.
F
Yes,
we
are
bringing
forward
a
recommendation
from
the
mayor
to
appoint
Ernesto
Castaneda
to
a
voting
position
on
the
historic
preservation
commission,
the
HPC.
All
the
voting
positions
are
filled
through
the
mayor's
office.
Mr
Castaneda
has
been
a
non-voting
member
appointed
by
the
city
council
for
several
years
and
now
there's
a
voting
member
vacancy
and
the
mayor's
office
would
like
to
appoint
him
to
that
seat
and
so
we're
bringing
that
forward
for
approval.
C
B
2308
authorizing
the
allocations
of
the
Jack
Hopkins
Social
Services
Program
funds
for
the
year
2023
and
related
matters.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
resolution
brings
forward
the
recommendations
of
the
2023
Jack
Hopkins
Social
Services
committee.
The
principal
task
of
the
committee
is
to
recommend
funding
for
local
Social
Services
Agency
proposals
that
best
meet
program
criteria
and
best
meet
the
needs
of
the
community.
This
resolution
allocates
a
total
of
323
thousand
dollars
to
32
different
agency
programs.
N
Items
I
would
be
happy
to
give
a
brief
report
and
councilmember
Sandberg
is
also
here.
She
served
as
chair
of
the
Sears
Jack
Hopkins
committee,
so
I'm
sure
between
the
two
of
us.
We
can
answer
questions
just
a
little
background
about
the
program.
This
is
the
31st
year
for
the
Jack
Hopkins
Social
Services
Program.
It
wasn't
originally
named
that,
but
at
some
point
it
was
named
after
council
member
Jack
Hopkins,
who
was
instrumental
in
creating
the
program
since
its
Inception
in
1993.
N
The
city
has
provided
over
5.8
million
dollars
to
social
service
agencies
for
various
projects
and
programs
that
have
an
impact
on
the
community.
The
committee
prioritizes
projects
and
programs
that
address
food,
shelter
and
Health
Care
needs
of
City
residents
who
are
of
low
to
moderate
income
under
18
years
old,
elderly
or
affected
with
a
disability
or
are
otherwise
disadvantaged
each
year.
The
requests
for
funding
exceeds
the
amount
of
funds
budgeted
and
available.
This
year
is
no
different.
The
2023
committee
had
323
thousand
dollars
in
funds
to
allocate
the
committee
received.
N
N
The
resolution
before
you
tonight
makes
a
recommendation
for
that.
323
thousand
dollars
budgeted
for
this
year
to
32
agency
programs.
This
year's
committee
included
council
member
Sandberg
Kate
rosenbarger
Ron
Smith,
Jim
Sims
and
included
three
members
of
the
public
with
experience
in
Social
Services.
Those
members
are
Tim,
Mayer,
Mark,
Fraley
and
Jamie
Scholl
and
I
will
just
say.
Thank
you
now
to
all
of
those
members
who
served
and
worked
through
this
program.
N
The
committee
met
six
times
over
the
course
of
four
months.
They
heard
presentations
from
35
of
the
48
agencies,
who
are
all
able
to
attend
and
present
I,
also
want
to
thank
hand,
staff
who
were
present
at
the
committee
meetings
and
provided
assistance
throughout
the
process
and
to
oversee
the
administration
of
the
grants
in
the
claim
process.
Once
the
council
approves
allocations,
so
resolution
2308,
which
is
in
front
of
you
tonight,
allocates
the
323
thousand
dollars
that
was
budgeted
this
year
to
32
agencies.
N
F
Yeah
there
were
a
couple
of
organizations
that
I
was
unfamiliar
with
that
were
seem
to
be
new
this
year.
One
of
them
is
The,
Healing,
Hands,
Outreach,
Center
and
I
looked
it
up,
and
it
is
a
a
center
affiliated
with
the
city
church
for
all
nations,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
there
are
no
religious
tests
to
receive
help
from
that.
Center.
N
I,
don't
believe
so
all
of
the
agencies
that
apply
are
informed
that
any
services
or
programs
they
provide
have
to
be
separate
from
from
any
religious
components
of
their
organization.
I
believe
we
reviewed
all
applications
and
there
were
some
concerns
with
other
agencies
that
were
noted,
but
I,
don't
believe,
I
believe
that
program
is
separate.
C
N
Yes,
if
there
are
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
speak
on
resolution,
2308,
please
let
us
know
by
using
the
raise
hand
feature
in
Zoom.
You
can
find
that
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab,
you
can
also
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak.
I,
do
see
one
hand
raised
at
the
moment.
S
Have
three
minutes:
my
name
is
Carol
Canfield
I'm,
a
life
long
resident
of
Bloomington
I
sat
through
the
last
two
meetings
of
the
Jack
Hopkins
Social
Services
fund
Committee,
in
which
presentations
from
each
organization
were
being
considered
for
funding
and
the
subsequent
initial
allocations
designated.
First,
let
me
state
that
I
do
appreciate
all
of
the
sifting
through
such
a
myriad
of
needs
and
worthy
organizations
that
you
have
done
and
thank
you
for
the
many
hours
you've
spent
in
doing
so.
S
Councilmember
Sandberg
mentioned
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
in
May
11th
that
you
should
expect
pushback
on
the
allocations
designated
for
Planned,
Parenthood
and
all
options
not
wanting
to
disappoint
anybody.
Allow
me
to
provide
that
pushback
I
have
spoken
before
Council
for
years
during
the
meetings
for
common
council's
vote
on
the
Hopkins
fund
and
we'll
continue
to
do
so
as
the
need
arises.
S
It
arose
at
the
May
11th
meeting.
I
was
chagrined
to
see
halfway
through
the
meeting,
a
suggestion
made
to
change
the
proposed
allotments
to
Planned
Parenthood
in
all
options
and
increase
them
to
back
to
their
complete
requests
because
of
a
deep
sense
of
priority
for
those
two
groups.
Allow
me
to
State
my
objections.
S
Both
of
these
two
groups
are
controversial
and
always
will
be
as
long
as
they
continue
to
provide
abortions
or
refer
them,
regardless
of
the
stated
reason
for
the
money
requests
when
so
many
other
organizations
need
the
money
and
do
not
connect
themselves
to
easily
the
most
controversial
Topic
in
our
country.
Why
must
we
cause
such
a
divide
among
the
taxpayers
of
this
city?
S
Remember,
Dr
Seuss's
quote
a
person's
a
person,
no
matter
how
small
and
if
we
cease
to
value
that
we
are
no
better
than
the
Nazis
who
consider
Jews
some
human
or
Margaret
Sanger,
the
founder
of
Planned
Parenthood,
who
stated
quote
we
do
not
want
word
to
go
out
that
we
want
to
destroy
the
Negro
race.
End
quote:
life
is
precious.
We
need
to
treat
it
as
such,
be
advised.
God
will
not
be
mocked,
especially
concerning
those
Made
In
His
Image
is
Bloomington
Equitable
inclusive
only
to
those
who
can
speak
for
themselves.
S
S
T
My
name
is
Scott
Tibbs
I
am
a
resident
of
the
first
blooming.
The
first
city
council,
district
and
I
am
Rising
again
to
oppose
funding
for
Planned,
Parenthood
and
all
options,
as,
as
you
know,
in
the
letter
I
sent
you
all.
Options
has
a
significant
budget
surplus
and
Planned
Parenthood
is
part
of
a
huge
multinational
corporation
with
over
a
billion
dollars
in
overall
organizational
Revenue.
T
T
T
C
N
C
U
Hi,
my
name
is
Sydney
zulik
I,
don't
need
three
minutes.
I
just
want
to
take
the
time
to.
Thank
you
guys
for
continuing
to
support
women's
rights.
I
know
there
were
some
comments,
comparing
abortion
clinics
to
Nazis.
Frankly,
as
a
Jewish
woman
I
just
for
the
record,
the
Jewish
faith,
most
most
sects
of
Judaism
believes
that
life
starts
at
breath.
U
So
it's
very
very
insulting
to
see
people
compare
abortion
clinics
to
Nazis
and
once
again,
thank
you
for
continuing
to
support
women's
rights
in
light
of
the
controversy,
especially
because
Bloomington
Planned
Parenthood
is
one
of
the
only
clinics
in
Indiana
that
still
provides
women
abortions.
Thank
you.
C
M
M
I
also
want
to
Echo
that
I
find
it
ironic
that
the
speaker
that
one
of
the
speakers
made
a
reference
to
fetus
is
being
made
in
the
image
of
God
and
stated
and
stated
that
their
religious
justifications
behind
having
this
chamber
having
the
social
services
fund.
Stop
funding.
Planned,
Parenthood
and
I
would
like
to
remind
everybody
that
there's
a
separation
between
church
and
state
and
bringing
in
such
religious
references
to
take
away
women's
rights
is
completely
unwarranted.
A
M
C
G
But
on
this
particular
issue,
I
know
we
will
continue
to
agree
to
disagree
with
respect
to
a
woman's
right
to
make
the
choices
she
and
her
family
and
her
doctor
need
to
make
about
their
reproductive
Futures.
But
that
being
said,
Jack
Hopkins
does
not,
nor
can
it
in
any
way
shape
or
form
support.
Any
funding
for
abortions
that
do
occur
through
the
Planned
Parenthood
Clinic.
What
we
funded
were
mechanisms
for
low-income
women
to
protect
themselves
from
any
unwarranted
or
unwanted
pregnancy,
and
this
we
see
as
a
common
good.
G
We
see
this
as
an
essential
part
of
the
Jack
Hopkins
intent,
which
is
to
support
people,
food,
shelter,
Health
Care,
our
most
needy
residents.
I
stand
by
that
commitment
from
the
Jack
Hopkins
committee.
I
will
continue
to
support
a
woman's
right
to
have
her
own
say
about
her
body
and
what
happens
to
her
life
and
the
life
of
her
children
and
the
life
of
her
family.
G
As
someone
who
has
worked
in
child
protective
services,
I
see
a
really
serious
need
for
us
to
focus
on
the
early
end
and
of
families,
keeping
them
intact,
keeping
them
whole
with
regard
to
their
Economic
Security.
So
I
make
no
apologies
for
the
decision
of
this
committee.
It
is
done
with
good
intentions
and
it
is
done
in
the
spirit
of
what
we
intend
to
do
and
help
our
most
needy.
With
regard
to
the
statement
about,
they
don't
need
the
money
because
they
have
huge
budgets.
G
The
Jack
Hopkins
Social
Service
committee
is
not
meant
to
completely
fund
a
non-profit
organization.
We
expect
them
to
come
to
us
with
solid
Financial
ability
to
support
themselves
and
their
missions
by
their
own
fundraising
efforts.
Jack
Hopkins
is
merely
meant
to
assist
the
efforts
of
all
of
our
non-profits
in
this
community
to
do
the
important
job
of
caring
for
those
who
have
the
least
ability
to
care
for
themselves.
H
What
I
do
think
is
important
and
you've
heard
the
term
equity
and
you'll
hear
it
a
lot,
and
you
know
determine
what
you
think
about
all
those
things.
But
what
we
provide
is,
in
my
mind,
true
Equity
services.
There
are
many
people
that
need
and
require
these
Services
education
mammograms,
pap
smears,
contraceptives,
Family,
Planning
diapers
for
children.
H
Potty
training
did
anything
that
I
just
say
is
non-supportive
of
equity
and
human
development,
and
one
of
the
things
I've
also
thought
was
very,
very
important,
and
particularly
with
Planned
Parenthood
and
those
Educational
Services
that
if
you
talk
about
Family
Planning,
you
talk
about
abort,
I'm,
sorry
about
contraceptives.
You
provide
medical
care,
then
there's
a
pretty
good
chance
that
you're
not
going
to
have
unwanted
pregnancies,
which
is
not
going
to
lead
to
what
some
of
our
public
people
have
have
commented
about,
and
and
that's
fair
I
mean
I'm.
H
H
H
C
C
B
Ordinance
2312
an
ordinance
to
amend
ordinance,
2226
previously
amended
by
ordinance
2240,
which
fixed
the
salaries
of
appointed
officers,
non-union
and
afscme
employees
for
all
the
Departments
of
the
city
of
Bloomington,
Monroe
County
Indiana
for
the
year
2023
regarding
to
reflect
updates
needing
implementation
in
2023.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows:
this
ordinance
amends
ordinance
2240,
which
set
the
maximum
2023
salary
for
all
appointed
officers
non-union
and
ask
me
employees
for
all
the
Departments
of
the
city
of
Bloomington
Indiana.
The
amendment
reflects
changes
to
job
titles,
a
change
to
a
job
grade
and
additional
ftes.
V
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
Emily
Fields
I'm
I'm,
the
interim
HR
director
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
I,
have
for
your
approval,
ordinance
2312,
which
amends
ordinance
2226,
which
set
the
2023
pay
grades
and
salary
ranges
for
appointed
officers,
non-union
and
afscme
employees.
We
have
several
changes
in
this
amendment
for
your
approval.
V
V
Third
we're
changing
some
titles
in
our
legal
department.
We
would
like
to
position
titles
to
change
due
to
some
shifting
responsibilities
related
to
the
human
rights
duties.
The
human
rights
director
attorney
will
become
the
assistant,
City
attorney
and
the
human
rights
Administrative
Assistant
will
become
the
administrative
assistant.
V
These
are
title
changes
only
next,
the
program
specialist
in
the
environmental
division
of
utilities
was
regraded
and
the
grade
increase
to
a
grade.
Seven
and
we'd
also
like
to
change
the
title
to
hazardous
material
materials
coordinator
to
better
reflect
the
duties
of
that
position.
This
position
regularly
inspects
and
provides
guidance
on
hazardous
materials,
compliance
along
with
waste
regulation
and
pollution
prevention.
V
C
F
W
W
We
also
have
an
awareness
of
encumbered
funds
that
we
may
be
able
to
release,
should
that
become
an
issue
with
the
overtime
that
we
are
paying
for
the
current
vacancies
and
we
also
did
receive
reversion
funds
back
from
the
mayor's
office
that
are
addressing
some
of
our
other
shortages.
So,
to
answer
very
plainly:
yes,
there
is
funds
to
support
this
for
the
2023
year
in
our
current
budget.
H
It's
probably
for
Chief
Moore
as
well,
I'm.
Sorry,
actually,
the
first
president
presenter
well.
She
said
earlier
and
I
apologize,
but
she
said
earlier
about
in
the
description
that
these
positions
could
be
used
for
making
up
shortages
within
the
department.
Can
you
expound
on
it
and
talk
to
us
about
that?
A
little
bit.
W
We
knew
when
we
started
our
mobile
and
grade
Healthcare
program
with
the
community,
EMTs
or
paramedics
that
there
are
some
medical
calls
that
firefighters
don't
need
to
be
on.
There
is
a
shortage
of
ambulances
in
our
County
and
we
are
constantly
going
on
calls
for
Lift
assist
we're
going
on
calls
for
non-critical
medical
emergencies
when
there
are
no
available
ambulances.
So
by
these
additional
staff
members
coming
on
board,
we
can
fast
forward
the
evolution
of
our
mobile
Integrated,
Health
Care
Program
and
partially
restore
some
of
those
medical
things
that
the
squad
is
doing
today.
W
I
would
also
point
out
that
these
are
things
that
our
Union
is
actively
and
made
publicly
known
that
aren't
necessarily
swarm
duties.
Helping
someone
up.
You
know
anyone
can
do
that.
That
did
not
require
firefighter
that
takes
six
months
of
training
minimum
and
all
the
additional
resources
that
they
have.
So
when
we
say
they
can
help.
There
are
some
calls
that
this
program
can
evolve
to
take,
but
they
cannot
start
taking.
Just
all
the
911
calls
that
these
sworn
members
currently
take.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
You
indicated
that
a
lot
those
calls
are
for
help
calls
I'm
assuming
they
come
from
dispatch
and
then
you
said
it's
because
we're
shortage
of
ambulances
so
does
dispatch
contact,
ambulance
services
for
those
response,
and
then
they
say
we
don't
have
enough.
We
can't
do
it
and
then
it
now
reverts
to
BFD.
So.
W
Is
that
how
that
works?
Yeah,
so
the
evolution
of
how
this
is
has
occurred?
We
were
made
aware
of
several
very
serious
calls
that
our
crews
went
on
that
an
ambulance
was
not
available,
which
is
why
we,
as
a
department,
agreed
to
pick
up
the
lift
assist,
knowing
that
we
were
going
to
be
bringing
these
civilian
mobile
and
grade
Healthcare
people
online,
so
as
a
temporary
to
use
sworn
firefighters
to
do
that
job
with
the
idea
of
moving
those
responsibilities
to
a
more
appropriate
service
when
it
comes
down
to
others,
shortages
within
the
county.
W
If
the
computated
dispatch
system
looks
for
a
resource
that
is
not
available,
it
goes
to
the
next
most
reasonable
resource,
which
is
where,
if
certain
calls
are
coming
out-
and
there
is
not
an
available
ambulance-
that
we
are
now
dispatched
as
a
medical
resource
within
the
county
or
within
the
city
to
handle
those,
it
is
happening
more
and
more
often.
These
are
things
that
we're
in
discussion
with
with
IU
Health
Lifeline,
but
we
as
a
department
are,
are
picking
up
some
of
the
slack
for
our
lack
of
available
ambulances
in
the
county.
Okay,.
H
Think
council,
member
Piedmont
Smith
will
hit
it
right
on
the
head
about
the
fiscal
impact
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
there's
money
there,
because
the
discussion
in
the
past,
if
as
I
recall,
was
that
there
was
a
possibility
that
the
people
that
we
serve
some
of
these
calls,
then
we
would
interact
with
their
insurance
companies
to
pay
for
some
sort
of
a
cost
when,
when
they're
already
paying
taxes
for
services
anyway,
you
said
you
see
my
confusion.
There.
Okay.
W
What
you're
referring
to
is
is
part
of
our
budgetary
goals
to
analyze
whether
or
not
we
could
potentially
move
to
a
model
that
would
use
Insurance
funds
to
help
make
this
more
sustainable.
So
to
put
you
at
ease,
there
is
no
legal
mechanism
within
the
state
to
do
that
yet,
but
the
other
thing
is
currently
when
we
go
on
medical
calls,
we
pass
those
costs
through
the
insurance
companies
through
the
ambulance
in
the
hospital
we
use
medical
supplies,
we
recoup
them
back
from
the
hospital
or
from
the
ambulance.
These
programs.
W
We
don't
have
that
interaction,
there's
not
a
handoff
to
go
to
the
hospital.
So
some
of
the
consumables
other
things
like
that.
Insurance
companies
would
reimburse
this
department
for
rather
than
taxpayers,
just
constantly
putting
the
money
out
to
say
that
taxpayers
are
funding
this.
It
is
correct
and
we
are
serving
the
most
underserved
members
of
our
community
and
it
is
making
a
huge
impact
in
Saving
Lives
already.
W
C
X
Jordan
Canada
Union
president
City
Fire,
so
I
found
out
about
this
less
than
a
week
ago,
June
4th
5th
and
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
about
it.
As
you
heard,
Emily
say
that
they
will
be
rearranging
sworn
officers
and
what
their
responsibilities
are,
which
will
possibly
result
in
a
violation
of
our
contract
that
we
negotiate
with
the
city.
So
a
lot
of
communication
from
both
administrations
on
this
has
been
rushed
and
just
poorly
handled
in
general.
So
we
need
time
to
push
these
push.
X
We
recently
had
a
firefighter
a
month
with
this
mess.
We
had
a
firefighter
turn
their
notice
that
they'll
be
leaving
come
August
due
to
their
their
officer
responsibilities
being
stripped.
This
is
something
that
we
need
to
pause
and
push
and
I
request
that
we
talk
about
this
later
after
your
guys's
recess.
Thank
you.
C
G
G
This
whole
discussion
about
the
city.
You
know
civilian
team
and
the
concerns
that
the
union
has
brought
forward
and
lack
of
ambulances
through
IU
Health,
which
seems
to
be
driving.
This
I
mean
I've
just
heard
several
troubling
comments.
Just
now
that
make
me
think
we
need
more
time
to
evaluate
what's
being
brought
forward
with
regard
to
the
firefighters,
if
that's
not
possible,
that's
fine
I'll
I'll
cast
a
no
vote
for
the
whole
thing,
but
I'd
prefer
to
have
it
separated
out
it.
N
N
D
N
D
N
G
C
W
Yeah,
so
I
would
like
to
respond
to
a
few
of
the
comments.
First
and
foremost,
I
think
the
council
are
aware
that
I've
been
out
dealing
with
a
personal
medical
issue
so
when
he
says
that
he
learned
about
this
about
a
week
ago,
that
is
very
close
to
my
return
date
of
me
trying
to
get
ahead
and
figure
out
things
that
were
decided
while
I
was
out
when
it
comes
down
to
the
concerns
of
the
union
and
bringing
up
possible
violations
of
contract.
W
W
W
W
It
has
been
providing
a
medical
service
to
lead
the
larger
trucks
in
service
so
that
they
are
more
capable
of
being
responding
for
calls
and,
as
we
are
staffed
right
now,
it
is
the
one
resource
that
we
have
sacrificed
to
be
able
to
alleviate
some
of
the
overtime
concerns
of
our
overworked
staff.
This
is
a
temporary
issue.
W
I
will
tell
the
council
that
some
of
the
things
that
we
learned
during
the
pandemic,
when
you're
dealing
with
a
crisis,
don't
just
respond
to
the
crisis,
set
yourself
up
for
success
in
the
future.
This,
along
with
the
additional
sworn
member,
is
not
going
to
replace
any
sworn
member
today,
it
will
allow
us
to
deal
with
the
current
crisis,
and
when
this
crisis
is
over,
we
will
be
in
a
much
better
position
to
provide
better
services,
and
we
will
also
be
in
a
position
to
have
additional
capacity
for
a
younger
Workforce.
D
F
J
My
view
generally
is
that
these
positions
are
also
needed
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
both
and
I.
Don't
think
we
are
seeing
less
commitment
or
less
investment
in
sworn
firefighters
as
a
result
of
supporting
this
additional
need,
so
I'm
comfortable,
supporting
the
ordinance
in
full
tonight.
I
guess
is
my
point.
This
particular
ordinance
but
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation
with
the
next
ordinance
about
one
of
the
new
swarm
positions
and
what
it
means
for
existing
programs.
Thanks.
D
I
suggest
that
when
I'm
not
making
a
motion
yet
but
I
want
to
suggest
that
we
postpone
this
to
right
after
the
next
ordinance
so
that
we
can
get
a
full
picture
of
what's
being
discussed,
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
deeper
conversation,
and
so,
if
we
can
just
postpone
this
for
a
few
minutes
until
we
deal
with
the
next
one,
I
think
that
that
might
give
us
all
a
little
less
heartburn.
But
I'm
curious.
What
my
colleagues
think
I
haven't
made
a
motion
yet
I'm
hoping
to
get
some
comment.
H
I
wanted
to
comment
on
this.
Steve
had
his
hands
up
I'm
sorry,
councilmember
Bolton
had
his
hands
a
lot
longer
than
I
did
so
that
was
all
sorry.
I.
Think
part
of
the
discussion
now
is
because
in
the
presentation
it
was
mentioned
about
these
Community
paramedic
EMT
positions.
So
if
it's
better
serve
for
the
next
ordinance,
then
that
should
have
been
part
of
the
discussion
for
the
next
ordinance.
But
when
it
was
talked
about
in
this
ordinance,
you
understand
why
there
was
comments
there.
H
But
my
other
comment
is
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
the
council's
purview
is
to
really
to
get
into
Union
conflicts
and
and
violations
I'm.
Not
so
sure,
that's
what
we
really
want
to
get
into
at
least
me
personally,
not
supporting
or
rejecting
either
I'm,
just
saying
I'm,
just
not
so
sure,
that's
our
purview
and
what
I
heard
is
potential
violations
and
then
I
heard
no
violation.
D
C
F
C
B
Ordinance
2313
an
ordinance
to
amend
ordinance
2225,
which
fixed
the
salaries
of
officers
of
the
police
and
fire
departments
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
Indiana
for
the
year
2023
regarding
to
reflect
increases
in
compensation
to
certain
firefighters.
The
synopsis
is
as
follows.
This
ordinance
amends
and
replaces
ordinance
2225,
which
set
the
minimum
and
maximum
salary
rates
for
all
sworn
fire
and
police
Personnel
for
the
year
2023,
in
accordance
with
Council,
approved
collective
bargaining
agreements
by
adding
an
assistant
chief
of
operations
position
and
amending
one
other
job
title
within
the
fire
department
and
by
adding
sections.
V
V
First,
this
ordinance
seeks
to
add
an
assistant
chief
of
operations
in
the
fire
department.
This
position
will
assess
safety
risks
to
the
firefighters
during
structural
fires,
in
addition
to
administering
the
Department's
health
and
safety
program,
which
includes
tasks
related
to
firefighter
injuries,
OSHA
requirements
and
firefighters
who
return
to
work
from
medical
leave.
V
This
ordinance
includes
several
strategies
to
address
the
effects
of
Staffing
shortages
that
the
fire
department
is
experiencing
section.
If
will
allow
the
city
to
compensate
eligible
firefighters
with
an
hourly
premium
for
up
to
150
hours
work
during
the
covet
pandemic,
the
max
amount
will
equal
to
three
percent
of
the
22
2022
base
pay
for
their
classification.
V
Section
IG
will
allow
the
city
to
buy
back
Kelly
days
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Kelly
days
are
scheduled
days
off
built
into
a
firefighter's,
regular
work
rotation
because
of
Staffing
shortages.
Fire
has
been
calling
out
others
to
fill
in
for
those
taking
their
Kelly
days.
So,
with
this
provision,
firefighters
may
choose
to
work
their
previously
scheduled
Kelly
days,
they'll
get
paid
for
that
work
and
then
they'll
get
500
dollars
for
that
Kelly
day
or
for.
However,
many
Cali
days
at
the
end
of
the
year.
V
W
Good
evening,
Jason
Moore
fire
chief,
thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
I.
Think
again,
some
of
the
Union's
concerns
over
this
that
this
was
a
idea
that
was
brought
about
when
I
was
out.
I
got
ahead
of
this
now
and
I
have
reassured
them
that
this
is
not
going
to
permanently
remove
any
sworn
duties.
W
Currently,
when
the
squad
is
shut
down
and
I've
told
you
how
important
it
is
over
the
years
for
firefighter
safety,
I
am
accepting
an
on-call
with
no
additional
compensation
to
be
able
to
ensure
that,
should
there
be
a
fire
in
the
city
that
a
officer
will
be
there
to
help
ensure
that
there
is
that
safety
officer
role
filled.
This
is
a
senior
staff
member
that
can
help
me
while
we're
under
this
crisis
and
when
fully
staffed,
I
have
a
long
queue
of
issues.
W
This
is
a
crisis,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
move
forward
past
the
crisis,
with
a
new
capacity
to
handle
the
changing
in
our
Workforce,
which
does
include,
as
of
this
moment,
21
new
firefighters
that
will
be
coming
on
board
before
the
end
of
the
year.
That
is
approximately
20
percent
of
our
Workforce.
That
is
brand
new
with
new
officers,
and
the
outpouring
of
experience
that
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
requires
greater
oversight.
So
I
am
asking
that
we
do.
This.
W
I
am
also
going
to
say
that
it
will
not
ever
permanently
remove
the
squad.
It
is
our
most
successful
program
and
that,
while
the
additional
oversight
I
don't
know
that
any
firefighter
should
ever
be
upset
about
having
additional
eyes
maintaining
their
safety
on
any
scene.
So
I
am
asking
that
we
do
support
this
and
I
am
here
telling
you
today
that
I
do
not
plan
on
removing
the
squad
and
having
this
position
fill
that
role.
We
cannot
be
on
call
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week.
W
W
The
so,
if
I
may
try
to
clarify
this,
the
Kelly
day
system
that
we're
under
was
decided
in
the
2017
contract
and
what
that
does.
Is
it
allowed
for
a
greater
number
of
days
off
for
our
firefighters,
but
it
also
provided
some
relief
from
the
built-in
overtime
that
is
just
accrued
by
firefighter
working.
Their
normal
schedule
so
Kelly
day
is
essentially
a
forced
paid
day
off
every
42
days,
so
they
select
their
their
Cycles.
W
They
get
to
have
a
choice
in
what
day
they
want
based
on
seniority,
and
then
they
have
to
take
that
day
off.
What
they
have
volunteered
to
do
to
get
us
through
this
crisis
is
to
give
up
that
Vol
or
that
mandatory
day
off
they
just
want
to
be
compensated
for
it
at
the
end
of
the
year,
which
is
the
buyback
program
when
they
are
off
on
a
Kelly
day
we're.
We
are
not
like
most
departments
where
someone
takes
off
and
we
just
wish
them
well.
We
have
to
backfill
that
position.
W
So
if
a
firefighter
takes
off
for
a
Kelly
day
a
day
that
they
may
or
may
not
have
won
it
off,
then
we
also
backfill
that
with
someone,
that's
making
time
and
a
half
to
fill
that
position,
so
we
have
firefighters
that
are
willing
to
give
up
that
mandatory
day
off,
so
that
they
can
help
alleviate
the
overtime
issues
and
they
just
want
to
be
compensated
at
the
end
of
the
year
for
the
ones
that
they
do
give
up,
because
it
is
a
paid
day
off.
Is
that
clarifier?
Does
that
complicate.
W
Off
and
been
paid
their
regular
pay
for
not
being
there
so
by
them
being
there
we're
essentially
balancing
the
books
at
the
end
of
the
year.
These
These
are
essentially
considered
paid
time
off
days.
Just
like
we
accrue
annual
leave.
They
they
have
eight
Kelly
days
if
they're
here
for
an
entire
calendar
year,
that
is
paid
time
off
when
a
firefighter
leaves,
and
they
have
a
remaining
balance
they
are
paid
out
for
that.
This
is
time
owed
to
them.
They
are
volunteering
to
give
it
up.
F
W
So
I
I
will
tell
you:
I
am
not
a
fan
of
any
buyback
programs
because
of
what
exactly
what
you
said,
the
the
the
vacation
is
for
you
to
get
away
and
to
decompress
and
to
deal
with
the
the
problems
of
being
a
firefighter
during
this
crisis.
I
can
support
it
because
it
is
voluntary.
If
someone
feels
like
they
really
need
that
time
off,
they
can
take
it.
There's
no
penalty,
we're
not
you
know
harassing
them
about
taking
it.
These
are
people
that
feel
that
they
can
give
it
up
for
the
financial
compensation.
W
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
a
permanent
buyback
program.
I
am
not
in
favor
of
firefighter
selling
vacation
days.
Those
days
are
for
them
to
recoup
for
their
mental
health
and
so
that
they
are
ready,
rested
and
able
to
serve.
Knowing
that
the
amount
of
overtime
that
we're
working
is
a
safety
issue.
This
became
a
lesser
of
two
evils
by
them
doing
this,
we've
got
people
willing
to
step
up
and
I.
Think
that's
what's
important.
You
have
firefighters
that
are
committed
to
the
mission
of
serving
the
city.
W
Surely
hope
not
I
will
say
that
this
was
semi-planned
when
we
wrote
our
last
contract
as
a
retirement-based
contract.
At
the
moment
that
we
signed
that
contract,
40
percent
of
our
department
could
retire
by
the
end
of
the
four
years
of
that
contract
lifespan,
80
percent
of
our
department
could
retire.
W
It
was
a
drastic
increase
of
their
pension
base,
so
the
firefighters
could
afford
to
retire.
We
knew
that
we
were
going
to
have
an
outpouring
of
experience.
We
did
not
anticipate
the
pandemic.
We
did
not
anticipate
other
departments
raising
their
salaries
and
creating
a
complicated
issue
of
junior
members
leaving,
and
that
is
something
that
this
Council
and
the
administration
must
address.
But
I
do
not
anticipate
this
to
continue
on
as
long
as
we
get
ahead
of
this
and
we
start
dealing
with
the
pay
issues
and
the
coming
cycles
for
for
legislation
and
budget.
D
I
have
the
a
similar
problem
with
the
definition
of
the
word
squad.
I
simply
don't
understand
what
it
means.
I
know
it's
a
basic
term
to
you
all,
but
I
think
that
we
need
it
explain
to
us
what
is
a
squad
who
makes
up
a
squad
and
how
does
this
in
the
previous
ordinance
play
into
the
use
of
squads?
Can
you
please
explain?
I.
W
Will
I
think
it
may
be
a
really
good
foundation
just
to
lay
out
the
evolution
of
how
this
came
about
when
I
became
Chief
in
2016
we
talked
about
alternative
response
models,
other
things
we
could
do
to
help
leave
the
large
trucks
available
for
the
calls
that
they're
really
needed
on
one
decision
that
was
made
very
early
in
my
tenure
was
to
establish
the
squad.
The
squad
has
had
several
Evolutions,
it's
been
an
SUV.
It
is
now
on
F-150
pickup
truck
so
that
they
can
carry
all
the
equipment
they
need.
W
W
One
is
a
sergeant
which
is
a
acting
officer
that
we
refer
to
as
a
squad
officer,
and
one
is
a
squad
driver
which
is
an
engineer
or
one
of
our
acting
drivers
and
the
two
together
make
up
a
very
key
component
of
not
only
the
Emergency
Medical
Response
side,
but
they
also
are
that
safety
and
accountability
on
our
fire
scenes
so
fast
forwarding
from
2016.
Until
now,
wait.
D
W
Yes,
one
of
the
one
of
the
key
problems
I
found
when
I
got
here
relating
to
firefighter
safety
and
health,
is
that
we
did
not
have
an
assigned
safety
officer
on
all
of
our
major
incidents.
So
reading
line
and
Duty
death
reports.
That
is
a
key
contributor
to
killing
firefighters,
and
we
made
a
conscious
effort
to
figure
out
how
we
could
address
that
issue
in
the
most
fiscally
responsible
way,
and
it
was
decided
that
the
squad
would
be
that
that
mechanism
to
carry
out
that
function.
D
Okay,
so
that's
a
squad
so
well
I
guess
we
have
to
to
hear
from
the
union
to
understand
their
objection,
but
perhaps
you
could
characterize
it,
I
mean.
Can
you
in
your
understanding?
What
is
their
concern
about?
The
hiring
of
this
I
mean
about
this
ordinance.
I
should
say
with
respect
to
how
squads
work.
W
W
There's
one
Squad
that
operates
within
the
city:
it
is
supposed
to
be
up
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
with
the
Staffing
shortages
that
we
have
run
into
the
Battalion
Chiefs,
have
the
authority
to
basically
brand
it
out
or
shut
it
down
for
the
day,
run
it
with
one
person.
Instead
of
two,
we
have
given
the
Battalion
Chiefs
that
authority
to
be
able
to
make
that
in
order
to
prevent
additional
forced
overtimes.
It
is
not
something
that
we
like.
W
It
is
never
something
that
our
fire
department
likes
is
to
drop
below
what
we
consider
minimum
Staffing,
but
knowing
that
it
was
the
newest
resource
and
that
it
would
have
the
least
impact
to
the
citizens.
It
was
a
calculated
risk
that
we
did
and
again
I'm
taking
on
call
and
others
are
taking
on
call
to
sure
that
we're
filling
the
most
vital
roles
of
it.
W
It
is
not
efficient
to
have
it
shut
down,
but
when
I'm
trying
to
balance
out
firefighter
safety
and
health
of
overworking
versus
this
resource
being
taken
offline,
this
was
a
balanced
decision
and
it
was.
It
was
seen
to
be
a
more
feasible
solution
than
just
constantly
forcing
more
firefighters
to
work.
Forced
overtimes.
J
That's
you
know
going
to
be
available
in
perpetuity
and
the
bar
from
which
we're
raising
salaries
in
the
future
and,
of
course,
the
Union
contract.
I
assume
wouldn't
replicate
that
so
it's
an
effective
race
for
this
year,
but
not
necessarily
for
future
years,
so
it
sort
of
brings
them
back
down
to
a
lower
Point
for
for
future
raises
so
I
guess:
I'm
curious
to
a
check
that
assumption
and
make
sure
I'm
understanding
that
correctly
b
double
check
is
that
the
contract
extend
through
the
end
of
2024.
J
Is
that
right
and
then
see
you
know
what
are
do?
Are
there
any
assurances
from
the
administration
or
intention
with
regard
to
how
to
handle
that
going
forward?
It
might
be.
There
might
be
reasons
why
it
was
structured
as
a
you
know,
two-part
bonus
this
year
and
it
can
be
replicated
in
the
future,
but
I'm
curious
to
unpack
that
a
little
more.
Thank
you.
V
Yeah,
no
decisions
have
been
made,
but
we
do
intend
to
evaluate
firefighter
compensation
and
and
purpose
something
for
the
2024-24
budget,
so
unfortunately
I
don't
have
any
anything
specific,
though
at
this
time,
but
in
terms
of
you
know
whether
or
not
there's
another
one-time
bonus
or
or
whether
or
not,
there's
there's
something
else,
I
don't
know,
but
we
are
looking
at
this.
This
issue
of
salaries.
J
W
W
W
In
fact,
this
adds
an
additional
sworn
member
to
our
department.
It
has
to
come
from
the
inside,
so
by
state
law
under
the
Board
of
Public
Safety
rules.
This
has
to
be
an
internal
hire
from
within
the
ranks,
so
this
is
increasing
pay
for
a
sworn
member.
This
is
creating
promotional
opportunities
for
other
sworn
members,
and
it
is
not
my
intention
ever
to
reduce
or
remove
the
squad,
nor
the
Personnel
that
are
on
that
Squad
and
have
it
replaced
with
civilians
or
this
new
position.
I
need
the
squad.
W
C
X
X
President,
you
just
heard
Emily
on
the
previous
ordinance
talk
about
how
three
sworn
positions
would
be
rearranged,
but
yet
the
fire
chief
is
his
intention
is
not
to
replace
it
with
civilians.
So,
just
us
finding
this
out
as
I
stated
earlier,
this
is
being
rushed.
We
need
to
slow
down,
hit
the
pause
button
and
come
back
to
this
after
your
guys's
recess,
because
this
has
Financial
impacts,
let
alone
what
the
chief
read
off
about
layoffs.
We
have
certification
pay.
X
X
Am
I
just
supposed
to
go
along
with
it
and
say:
oh
we'll
figure
it
out
later,
because
we
we
need
what
the
chief
just
said
in
writing.
If
he's
not
going
to
put
civilians
on
it
great
if
the
assistant
Ops
Chief
is
just
going
to
be
another
set
of
eyes
great,
if
the
squad
is
going
to
continue
and
be
the
success
that
is
fantastic
but
right
now
it's
just
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
lip
service
coming
from
each
Administration.
X
Y
Sean
Sean
Hutton
Locker
I'm,
the
secretary
treasurer
for
the
fire,
Union
I,
just
had
a
couple
of
comments
here
about
that.
One
thing
I
want
to
say
first,
is
that
it
just
seems
to
be
to
reiterate
what
Canada
was
saying:
there
seems
to
be
a
very
rushed
decision.
It
seems
like
we're
in
the
midst
of
this
chaotic
situation,
where
we're
very
short
staffed,
and
we
continually
try
to
come
up
with
these
quick
fixes,
immediate
decisions
that
each
one
are
just
chipping
away
at
our
budget.
Y
We're
coming
up
with
programs
that
may
or
may
not
have
a
big
impact
on
retention.
I
think
that
I
know
I've
emailed
back
and
forth
with
a
lot
of
you
and
sent
a
lot
of
information.
I
think
it
would
be
fair
to
say
that
retention
is
our
biggest
issue.
I,
don't
think
anybody
has
said.
Shortage
of
chiefs
is
our
biggest
issue.
I
think
that
retention
has
got
to
be
one
of
our
biggest
issues.
This
position,
as
as
the
chief
mentioned,
will
be
hired
from
within,
which
takes
another
one
of
our
full-time
positions.
Y
I
would
question:
how
is
that
process
going
to
happen?
Are
we
going
to
hire
a
new
full-time
firefighter
and
then
move
that
Chief
up?
If
so,
we
all
know
that
takes
a
long
time.
If
we
expect
this
to
be
resolved
by
next
year,
anyways,
then
what
are
we
doing?
Are
we
wasting
our
time
hiring
a
chief
that
we
may
or
may
not
need
to
fill
in
for
Squad
duties
and
safety
officer
now
that
we
may
not
need
those
duties
later
and
again,
that's
just
more
coming
off
of
our
budget
for
future
retention.
It's
it's!
Y
Arguably
the
biggest
issue
we
have
is
pay
related
retention,
and
this
is
just
another
thing
that
takes
away
from
that
about
a
minute
left
here.
Let's
see,
I
had
some
other
notes.
I
would
say
that
I
would
argue
where
a
safety
officer,
May
or
lack
of
safety
officer
on
scene
may
be
a
cause
of
line
of
duty
deaths
and
they're.
Y
Certainly,
data
to
show
that
I
would
argue
that
overworked
firefighters
and
mismatched
crews
are
probably
a
bigger
cause
of
line
of
duty
deaths,
all
of
which
are
not
being
addressed
in
this
and
may
actually
be
hindered
in
this.
If
you're
taking
one
of
our
firefighters
away
for
this
position,
so
I
believe
that's
all
I
got.
Thank
you.
Z
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Wes
Martin
I'm,
a
chairman
of
the
local
586
political
action
committee.
Our
primary
concern
when
it
comes
to
this
ordinance
is
twofold.
One
is
that
we
are
potentially
moving
sworn
personnel
off
of
the
squad,
as
Chief
Moore
has
said,
that's
a
very
successful
program
and
it's
something
that
improves
the
patient
outcomes
and
the
outcomes
of
our
residents,
particularly
in
the
downtown
area.
Z
The
second
issue
that
labor
takes
with
this
ordinance,
especially
with
reference
to
the
assistant
chief
of
operations,
is
that
the
safety
and
accountability
job
is
two
jobs
and
those
are
both
performed
by
sworn
personnel
on
the
squad.
When
there
is
a
fire
when
there
is
a
mass
response
from
our
department,
those
two
sworn
personnel
provide
safety
and
accountability.
Z
Z
C
D
D
Conundrum,
and
one
thing
I
don't
understand,
is
how
what
Mr
Martin
just
said
affects
the
squads,
in
other
words,
with
or
with
the
ordinance
we
postponed,
there's
going
to
be
a
hiring
of
three
people
who
would
become
part
of
the
squad
would
be
the
ones
who
I
mean.
The
union
is
saying
that
the
two
sworn
officers
would
somehow
be
moved
off
the
squad
can
can
someone
clarify
this
for
me
achieve
more
clarify.
W
This
so
what
we've
said
this
entire
package
assistant
chief
of
operations,
three
new
civilians-
there
are
portions
of
the
squad,
duties
that
we
could
restore
sooner
than
it
takes
for
us
to
hire
all
21
of
these
people
and
get
them
fully
trained.
I
can
hire
a
civilian
within
about
six
weeks.
It
takes
over
four
months
to
hire
a
new
firefighter
by
the
time
we
go
through
the
statutory
processes,
the
physicals
and
everything
we
do.
This
is
a
more
rapid
solution
to
getting
some
of
those
necessary
services
that
he's
described.
W
It
is
not
going
to
have
a
civilian
on
the
squad.
They
are
mobile,
Integrated,
Health,
Care
workers
of
our
four
current
ones.
Two
have
never
been
field.
Practitioners
running
9-1-1
calls
an
additional
two
of
the
four
left
9-1-1
response,
Services
because
they
were
burned
out,
and
this
was
an
opportunity
for
them
to
re-engage
their
career
skills
in
a
more
helpful
and
more
mentally
sustainable
way
for
them.
We
cannot
jeopardize
this
mobile
Integrated,
Health,
Care
Program
by
fast
forwarding
and
I,
cannot
have
civilians
and
sworn
members
in
my
department
pitted
against
each
other.
W
W
W
W
I
am
also
here
in
public
in
front
of
my
firefighters,
and
you
saying
this
is
not
my
desire
when
I
brought
my
concerns
to
Mayor
Hamilton
about
this
program
and
I
said
I
have
concerns.
He
said
it
is
your
department
to
run.
You
can
administer
these
new
Personnel.
The
way
you
see
fit
in
the
way
that
it
best
serves
our
community,
so
I
am
making
a
firm
commitment
that
we
are
not
swapping.
We
are
not
going
to
suddenly
next
year
say:
let's
eliminate
four
sworn
positions.
W
We
are
trying
to
add
capacity
to
deal
with
this
crisis
right
now
and
then,
as
this
crisis
subsides,
we
will
have
greater
capacity
to
take
additional
sworn
Duty
issues
off
of
things
they
don't
even
want
to
do.
There
are
over
a
thousand
lift
assist,
calls
that
happen
from
the
hours
from
nine
to
five
over
the
past
year.
W
W
D
W
They
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
lights
and
Sirens,
disrupting
having
the
danger
of
impeding
the
yielding
of
the
traffic
flow.
These
are
calls
that
we
accepted
knowing
that
this
program
was
coming
online
and
that
we
may
be
able
to
switch
that
over
to
a
more
sustainable
and
a
more
realistic
resource
other
than
the
sworn
firefighters.
E
Thank
you,
Chief,
Moore
and,
and
the
folks
from
the
union.
The
question
I
have
that
seems
to
be
rolling
around
in
my
head
is:
is
there
a
time
pressure
that
we're
looking
at
the
union
folks
are
asking
for
a
little
some
time
to
try
to
work
it
out
with
you
all
so
that
we
don't
have
to
kind
of
worry
about
negotiating
a
contract?
You
know
up
here:
is
there
a
time
pressure
and
if
you
can
speak
to
that,
that
will
help
me.
You
know
understand.
W
W
So
if
it
comes
down
to
a
Time
Crisis
you
we
want
to
delay
this
I
am
shutting
down
the
squad
on
average
four
times
a
week
right
now,
so
that
will
not
stop
even
if
I
hire
these
new
people,
but
the
calls
like
the
lift,
assist
and
things
that
that
Squad
would
be
taking
could
potentially
be
stood
up.
When
we
could
have
a
program
up
and
running
within
six
weeks,
not
the
six
months,
it
takes
to
hire
a
sworn
firefighter,
so
I!
Guess,
if
we're
going
to
say,
is
there
a
delay?
W
The
union
has
told
us.
This
is
an
issue
that
they
could
affect
patient
outcomes
in
the
downtown.
I
firmly
agree:
when
we
are
out
of
position,
we
are
not
using
the
most
efficient
resource
when
we're
not
using
people
that
are
properly
trained,
which
is
not
what
I'm
suggesting
there
are
poor
outcomes.
What
the
administration
is
suggesting
is
that
this
would
be
a
faster
way
to
restore
parts
of
those
Services.
W
Squad
officer
and
the
squad
driver
do
receive
command,
appointment
pay
and
whether
the
squad
is
shut
down
or
not.
We
do
not
remove
band
appointment
pays
on
a
temporary
basis.
If
this
department,
the
mayor,
the
administration,
the
council
had
a
will
to
discontinue
that
program,
there
would
no
longer
be
a
reason
to
pay
that
pay,
but
we
are
not
intending
on
removing
any
of
those
command
appointments
or
the
extra
pay
for
that
extra
capacity
that
these
members
have
earned
through
certifications,
training
and
in
writing
in
the
seat,
doing
the
job
so
I
guess
to
answer.
W
F
W
No,
so
what
I'm
suggesting
is,
while
we're,
while
we're
in
this
gap
of
not
having
that
Squad
up
and
running
that
this
will
be
another
person
within
my
department
that
can
help
make
sure
that
critical
step
is
done.
Currently,
it's
me,
I
live
in
the
city.
If
there
is
a
fire
after
hours-
and
they
tell
me-
the
squad
is
out,
I
will
respond
from
my
house,
and
I
will
make
sure
that
is
filled
when
it
comes
down
to
questioning
about
the
safety,
accountability
and
everything
else,
and
it's
two
different
jobs.
W
We
did
that
on
purpose
to
help
improve
the
outcomes
because
we
are
young.
We
did
that
based
on
lessons
that
I
learned
by
killing
nine
firefighters,
where
I
came
from
to
have
this
question
as
to
whether
or
not
I
would
put
our
firefighters
at
risk
by
making
this
decision
is
appalling.
To
me,
I
do
everything
I
do
because
I
care
about
them
and
I
care
about
our
citizens
when
I
am
coming
to
you
as
a
department
head
saying
that
this
is
our
best
Way
Forward
right
now.
W
W
I
am
making
a
recommendation
that
this
is
a
way
we
can
get
past
this
now,
while
we're
in
crisis
and
set
us
up
for
more
success
in
the
future
and
I.
Guess
that
that's
where
I
would
like
to
leave.
This
is
everything.
I
do
is
to
look
out
for
their
safety
for
their
well-being,
so
they
can
serve
our
citizens.
G
G
Health
now
becomes
the
problem
of
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
the
fire
department
in
order
to
fill
that
Gap,
and
it's
also
refreshing
to
hear
that
this
is
being
called
a
crisis,
because
these
are
things
I've
been
hearing
from
the
rank
and
file
and
folks
that
I
have
done
ride-alongs
with
and
and
and
spoken
with
for
a
while.
So
clearly,
we
have
a
crisis
that
we're
dealing
with
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
who
else
owns
this
problem?
Why
do
we
have
a
lack
of
ambulances
in
the
city
of
Bloomington?
G
Someone
who
had
fallen
I
understand
that's
a
total
waste
of
our
resources,
so
I
can
understand
the
kind
of
the
pressure
to
bring
in
more
civilians,
more
EMTs
to
do
that
kind
of
work,
allegedly
because
we
have
the
money
to
do
it
because
we
have
so
many
staff
shortages
right
now.
But
my
underlying
question
is
what's
going
on
in
our
community
with
regard
to
health
care
and
IU
Health
that
we
do
not
have
enough
ambulances
to
serve
the
9-1-1
calls
in
our
community.
Can
you
answer
that?
G
W
I
would
like
to
address
this
very
directly.
We
have
come
forward
with
our
state
of
the
public
safety
reports,
I
report
to
the
Border
plug
safety.
Every
month
we
are
seeing
unprecedented
increases
in
emergency
9-1-1
calls
in
this
community.
We
are
not
the
only
responders.
There
are
police,
there
are
fire,
there
is
IU
Health,
Lifeline,
Ambulance
Service.
There
is
also
a
Statewide
shortage
of
firefighters,
EMTs
and
paramedics.
W
This
is
not
something
that
is
just
in
our
community.
This
is
across
the
entire
state
of
Indiana
and
most
likely
extends
beyond
the
state.
We
are
here
trying
to
pick
up
a
piece
of
our
community.
They
expect
when
they
call
9-1-1
that
someone
will
show
up
if
an
ambulance
cannot
be
there,
because
it's
coming
from
another
County,
which
is
what
is
happening
several
times
a
day
right
now.
W
We
make
sure
that
someone's
there,
because
that
was
the
expectation
we
are
trained,
we
can
stabilize
it
there's
a
lot
of
calls
that
don't
need
to
be
a
911
call
that
we
go
to
when
the
ambulances
are
not
available.
I
am
telling
you
that
this
is
not
just
an
issue
here.
This
is
an
issue
across
the
entire
state.
If
you
listen
to
the
governor's
address,
Health
Care
is
on
his
list
of
priorities.
The
mobile
and
grade
health
care
is
a
way
to
fill
those
gaps.
W
This
is
not
unique
to
Bloomington.
We
are
picking
up
a
piece
so
that
we
do
not
have
a
city
of
Bloomington
resident,
laying
on
the
floor
or
hurt
or
injured
or
sick
waiting
for
a
resource
that
may
be
30
or
40
minutes
out.
So
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
I
think
I'm
just
trying
to
to
put
this
in
perspective.
If
you
call
9-1-1,
you
expect
someone
to
be
there.
If
you
call
9-1-1
and
there's
not
a
resource
available,
we
are
now
stepping
in
and
trying
to
fill
that
Gap
while
they
hire
more
people.
W
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
we
had
11
firefighters
start
on
Monday.
They
are
in
an
EMT
class
with
IU
Health
Lifeline,
who
has
an
additional
20
employees
in
that
class.
They
are
trying
to
address
their
shortages,
just
like
we're
trying
to
address
ours.
This
is
a
big
piece
of
the
puzzle
and
I'm.
Just
saying
that
we
took
a
bite
of
it
because
that's
what
our
community
expects
and
that
we
are
as
emergency
service
leaders
in
all
the
different
branches
of
emergency
service
are
trying
to
address
these
issues.
W
A
D
D
X
D
X
It
there
so
that
that's
where
the
squad
comes
into
play
of
the
EMS
care
is
that
that
part
and
then
with
the
Ops
Chief,
we
have
not
had
any
discussion
from
City
Administration
or
fire
Administration
with
this
Implement
with
putting
this
into
service.
That's
why
I
would
like
to
hit
the
brakes,
so
we
could
discuss
this
and
have
a
better
game
plan
to
execute
it
because,
as
he
was
talking
about
Alpha
calls
and
liftasis,
the
squad
does
not
do
lift
assist.
I
want
to
make
that
point.
X
The
fire
engines
do
and
if
we're
only
worried
about
lift
assist
9
through
9
A.M
through
5
P.M,
then,
where
you
still
get
called
out
during
the
night
to
go
to
houses
of
wealth.
So
we
are
still
responding
to
these,
no
matter
what,
with
the
compensation
of
only
150
hours,
that
is
brought
up
in
this
current
ordinance
and
then
when
we
see
that
there
is
over
460
thousand
dollars
being
put
into
this,
we
are
feeling
unheard
and
unseen.
That's
why
we
want
to
stop
regroup,
talk
about
it
and
then
possibly
move
forward
on
it.
J
I
would
invite
comment
from
both
Mr
Canada
and
Chief
Moore
and
potentially
with
respect
to
the
impacts
of
delay
of
various
timelines
and
delaying
by
one
week
for
the
last
regular
session
prior
to
our
Council
recess,
as
well
as
delaying
about
six
weeks
until
after
the
council
recess
in
particular.
What
is
the
potential
impact
of
those
delays
in
terms
of
services?
J
But,
additionally,
what
would
a
delay
of
either
of
those
time
periods
allow
in
terms
of
the
conversation
that
folks
are
asking
for
like
what
would
that
actually
look
like
it's
not
typically
the
council's
role,
for
instance,
to
be
directly
involved
in
these
types
of
negotiations,
but
I
think
for
a
few
reasons,
including
ones
that
Chief
Morris
mentioned.
You
know.
Communication
was
an
ideal
leading
up
to
this
directly
and
I,
hear
that
you
know
desire
for
more
time.
J
I
also
hear
the
desire
for
increase
compensation
or
attention
and
focusing
on
those
core
issues
which
I
think
we're
all
motivated
to
do
in
in
the
coming
year,
and
can
talk
more
about
that.
Those
are
both
hand.
Issues
to
me,
but
I
guess
I,
want
to
know
specifically
with
respect
to
what
further
conversation
or
discussion
could
be
had
and
what
the
potential
downsides
are
to
delaying
about
one
week
in
about
six
weeks.
Thank
you.
W
I
appreciate
the
question,
so
if
we
were
to
do
this
today,
I
could
essentially
have
HR
post
our
jobs.
We
could
go
to
hire
tomorrow
right
if
this
is
all
approved,
and
we
get
all
all
this
done.
You
want
to
delay.
All
it
does
is
push
back
from
the
entire
advertising
period
and
everything
else
so
delay
of
implementation
I
will
have
several
weeks
of
getting
everything
out,
accepting
applications
so
for
us
to
iron
out
all
the
details
can
happen.
While
we
have
people
in
queue,
I
will
tell
you.
W
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
how
we
physically
make
some
of
these
happen
within
the
computer.
Aided
dispatch
system
I
have
to
make
sure
medical
licensing
is
covering
everything.
So
if
we
were
to
delay
I'm,
always
in
favor
of
more
time,
but
we've
heard
how
critical
this
is.
So
what
I'm
asking
for
is
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
that
I've
been
assured
that
we
can
Implement
appropriately
doing
the
due
diligence,
making
sure
that
we
do
not
violate
anything
that
we
shouldn't
violate.
We
can
capture
input.
W
We
can
start
doing
all
those
things
delaying
of
that
I'm
going
to
be
doing
that
anyway,
because
it
is
my
hope
and
my
intention
that
we
finally
have
this
new
tool
in
our
toolbox
to
address
the
needs
of
our
community.
So
I
guess
in
plain:
if
it's
delayed
I'll
have
the
discussions.
If
it's
not
delayed
I'll
have
the
discussions.
The
only
thing
that
we
may
potentially
do
by
delaying
this
is,
if
we
were
to
tomorrow,
sit
down
and
iron
all
the
details
and
you
delay.
I
cannot
implement
this.
W
If
you
go
through
with
it,
we
can
iron
out
all
the
details
and
we
can
implement
it.
So
I
think
publicly
I've
addressed
a
lot
of
the
Union's
concerns.
I
am
committing
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
doing
some
of
the
things
that
they
are
worried
about,
so
I
I
would
just
put
it
back
to
Dave
said
this
is
an
issue.
The
delay
of
service
could
affect
outcomes
if
we
want
to
delay,
and
we
have
about
outcome.
X
G
C
G
I
guess
I
I
never
like
to
be
in
a
position
to
hurry
up
hurry
up
and
make
a
decision,
because
we're
about
to
go
on
vacation
I,
don't
like
being
put
in
that
position.
So
my
question
is:
how
long
has
this
been
a
crisis?
And
when
could
this
have
been
brought
to
this
body
sooner
for
approval
and
this
probably
for
the
administration.
W
Well,
thank
you
for
the
question
due
to
my
medical
issue
where
I
was
out.
These
were
all
things
that
were
being
thought
of
and
and
being
discussed
right
before
I
left
the
decisions
that
happened
and
how
this
has
come
out.
While
I
was
out
that
I
have
reviewed
all
the
financials
I've
reviewed,
all
the
plans
and
I
agree
with
the
decision
that
was
made
so
to
say
that
this
is
half
Hazard
or
that
we
didn't
think
it
out.
This
is
something
that's
been
occurring
for
the
entire.
W
A
little
over
six
weeks
that
I
had
been
out
for
dealing
with
my
medical
issue.
What
I
will
apologize
publicly
is
that
the
union
found
out
about
it
a
week
ago,
I
found
out
about
it.
A
week
ago,
I
was
out
completely
unplugged
thanks
to
the
city
for
allowing
me
to
have
my
recovery
and
I've
been
back
and
I've
been
trying
to
do
due
diligence
to
make
sure
that
all
these
things
are
communicated
address
the
concerns,
the
fears
and
everything
else
we
knew
when
we
started
the
mobile
and
grade
Healthcare
program.
This
is
an
Avenue.
W
It
could
go
down.
We
have
a
pathway
forward.
We
know
what
we
need
to
do
to
check
all
the
boxes
to
do
this
properly.
We
know
that
we've
onboarded
new
positions.
We
know
how
to
do
this.
We
could
do
this
very
quickly
and
easily.
If
the
union
wants
input,
they
have
input
in
every
aspect
of
our
department.
W
W
D
we
postponed,
is
dated
May
29th
Mr
Moore
was
Chief.
Moore
was
out
on
medical
leave,
so
this
has
been
a
discussion
in
HR
with
the
administration
with
the
mayor's
office.
When
did
you
who
initiated
this
ordinance?
Who
I
mean?
Did
it
come
from
you
or
did
it
come
from
upstairs
I
mean
I
I,
don't
quite
get
how
it
came
to
be.
D
D
V
D
V
W
I
would
like
to
provide
one
point
of
clarification,
and
this
is
just
again
it's
hard
when
you
put
us
on
spot
to
try
to
figure
out,
but,
as
I've
been
trying
to
reconstruct
the
decisions
that
were
made.
While
I
was
out
the
very
first
discussion
official
memorandum
that
came
out
on
this
with
the
Union
discussions
on
the
Kelly
day
buyback
all
these
other
things
that
have
occurred.
I
have
a
memorandum
from
deputy
chief
washell
dated
May
8th.
W
So
if
that
kind
of
puts
a
timeline
on
how
long
this
has
kind
of
been
discussed
and
they've
been
working
on
Solutions,
while
I
was
out,
that
is
the
official
memorandum
that
I
have
from
deputy
chief
washell
to
the
mayor,
making
recommendations
for
incentives
and
other
things
to
help
with
retention
and
and
other
problems
with
the
Staffing.
Thank.
D
X
Yeah
I
would
agree.
We
had
our
last
meeting
with
mayor
Hamilton
on
May
11th
about
this
and
the
three
items
of
the
buyback
and
the
BCS
and
the
three
percent.
What
we
have
not
discussed
is
the
in
the
three
ftes
from
the
previous
ordinance
and
the
addition
of
this
Chief
and
their
roles
and
responsibilities,
and
that's
what
I
was
referring
to
earlier
as
let's
pump
the
brakes
and
figure
it
out,
because
I
just
found
out
about
it
on
the
fourth
or
fifth.
D
I
J
In
anticipation
of
this,
I
did
have
staff,
prepare
an
amendment
for
this
ordinance
to
remove
the
assistant
chief
operations
position
and,
while
we
were
talking
had
them
also
prepare
an
amendment
to
remove
the
three
new
ftes
from
the
other
ordinance.
We
do
have
amendments
on
hand
for
both
those
things.
J
If
we
wanted
to
pass
the
ordinances
tonight
and
address
those
in
a
new
ordinance,
the
complication
that
might
introduce
is
the
fact
that
it
would
be
a
new
ordinance.
It
would
need
to
be
prepared
by
Friday.
We
would
need
to
have
first
reading
next
week
and
be
willing,
ask
the
council
to
consider
passage
of
the
ordinance
that
night
if
we
were
trying
to
pass
it
before
recess
is
functionally
creating
a
one-week.
You
know
DeLay
So,
it's
possible.
D
I'm
not
sure
that
what
council
for
Flaherty
has
just
said
would
address
the
concern
that
councilman
Rosenberger
just
asked
about
I
mean
if
there's
a
chance
that
we
can
resolve
the
issue
in
a
week.
We
don't
need
to
amend
out
those
items
and
the
amending
out
would
would
create
a
new
I
mean
I'm,
not
sure
I
would
want
to
give
consent
to
consider
in
one
night
just
because
we
should
find
another
way
to
solve
it.
J
To
clarify
I
meant
if
we
also
wanted
to
pass
the
other
ordinances
tonight
for
the
sake
of,
for
instance,
the
engineering
position
that
Miss
Fields
just
expressed
some
urgency
around.
So
that
would
be
the
way
to
both
accomplish
passing
everything
but
the
fire
portions
of
the
ordinances
tonight
and
pass
the
fire
portions
next
week
again.
It
would
require
some
hurdles,
I'm,
not
saying
it's
a
desired
pathway,
I'm
just
saying,
what's
possible,.
F
D
C
C
I
think
the
question
about
whether
or
not
a
week
is
enough
is
a
good
one
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
postponing
2312
and
2313
to
next
week
would
make
sense,
even
if
we
come
back
together
and
decide
to
postpone
till
after
recess,
it's
we're
no
further
behind
than
if
we
postpone
until
after
recess
tonight.
So
it
could.
What
do
you
think
I'm
not
sure,
even
what
I'm
asking
you
but.
W
Yeah,
so
so
I
think
I
would
like
to
address
this.
If
there
is
a
will
of
this
Council
to
to
separate
it
to
delay
it,
potentially
it
could
get
pushed
past
your
recess.
All
we're
going
to
do
is
delay
a
solution.
If
this
is
about
us
ironing
out
the
details
within
our
Union,
which
we
have
full
management
right
to
be
able
to
run
the
department,
it's
within
the
management
rights
of
our
contract,
I,
don't
lean
on
management
rights,
I,
don't
say
that's
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
W
Iron
fisted,
but
we're
coming
down
to
a
foundational
disagreement
on
how
this
department
may
run
whether
or
not
it's
done
by
sworner
civilian
does
not
change
the
fact
that
there
are
citizens
that
need
our
help.
We
are
short
staffed
and
that
this
is
an
option
that
may
be
able
to
provide
services
to
people
that
need
help.
If
we
would
like
to
delay
it.
To
give
me
more
time,
I've
told
you
I
am
always
in
favor
of
more
time,
but
I
have
literally
sat
here
and
listened
to.
Even
my
union
say
this
is
critical.
W
Anytime,
there's
a
delay.
There
could
be
poor
outcomes,
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
that
I'm
going
to
come
here
and
fear,
Monger
bang
a
fist
on
the
podium
and
say
someone's
going
to
die
the
likelihood
is
it
could
happen
in
any
moment
whether
we
do
this
tonight,
whether
we
do
this
in
a
week
whether
we
do
this
in
six
weeks
or
whether
we
wait
for
the
next
Administration
to
address
it.
It
is
not
going
to
fundamentally
fix
that
we
are
down
21
firefighters.
Today
it
is
not
going
to
fundamentally
fix
that.
W
W
So
if
you
say,
if
I
give
you
another
week
and
you
make
a
better
decision,
absolutely
you
give
me
all
the
time
in
the
world.
I
can
always
make
a
better
decision
if
you're
asking
me
if
a
week,
I
can't
iron
out
the
details
with
our
Union
Address
their
concerns,
I
don't
need
a
week.
I
think
I've
done
a
lot
of
that
tonight.
W
W
If
you
want
to
give
me
another
week
that
that's
your
purview,
if
you
want
to
do
it
today,
I
am
telling
you
today
in
front
of
everyone
that
I
will
continue
to
work
with
my
staff
to
come
up
with
the
best
solution.
I
am
not
the
smartest
person
in
the
room.
I
have
very
smart
people
that
are
around
me.
That
can
help
us
make
this
work
so
delay
it
or
not.
W
I
would
like
to
have
this
done
if
you
delay
it
all
you're
doing
is
potentially
hand
covering
us
if
we
do
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
reach
a
consensus
before
you
readdress
this
and
bring
it
back
up
so
I
think
that's
as
plain
as
I
can
be
is
we're
in
crisis.
This
is
an
option
we
would
like
to
move
forward
with
it,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
we
will
work
out
the
details,
because
it's
not
going
to
negatively
impact
anyone.
That's
not
how
this
works,
I
need
them.
W
W
If
this
is
a
bad
idea
overall,
then
that's
where
this
needs
to
come
and
say
we
just
think
it's
a
bad
idea.
If
we
think
that
this
is
not
a
great
idea
at
this
particular
moment,
that's
within
your
purview
I
am
telling
you,
as
the
expert
subject
matter,
expert
running
this
department,
that
this
is
a
path
forward.
W
That
I
can
work
with
my
union
to
alleviate
their
concerns,
and
I
am
not
going
to
remove
our
most
successful
program
to
date,
to
replace
it
with
something
that
will
cause
more
chaos
and
cause
more
issues
in
my
department
and
the
community.
So
if
that
helps,
then
that
that's
where
I'd
like
to
leave
it.
Thank
you.
X
President
of
Canada,
so
it
seems
like
our
crisis,
is
the
lift
assist
which
we
are
handling
extremely
well
and
moving
forward
on
that
it
seems,
as
he
said,
as
Chief
Moore
said
previously,
he
has
to
figure
out
the
dispatch
issues.
What
are
the
roles
and
responsibilities?
That's
all
I've
been
saying
this
whole
time.
Let's
pump
the
brakes
to
offer
the
recess
to
come
together
and
figure
this
out,
I'm
not
staying
in
anybody's
way.
I
just
want
to
come
together,
find
a
solution
and
move
forward.
Do.
X
Yeah
between
so
it
wouldn't
just
be
myself
and
Chief
Moore
sitting
down,
it
would
be
our
most
of
our
executive
board.
Our
VP
and
secretary
treasurer,
so
schedules
will
come,
will
become
hectic
in
trying
to
get
all
four
or
five
of
us
in
the
same
same
area
and
if
he
wants
to
add
other
Chiefs
into
that
meeting
as
well.
So
that's
why
I
request
till
the
recess.
Thank.
C
D
D
I
will
say
that
it
was
not
an
inordinate,
normally
small
amount
of
time
the
union
heard
about
it
when
it
went
out
of
the
packet.
This
is
our
standard
process.
It
went
out
on
what
was
it
the
the
fourth
Friday,
the
fourth
and
not
everybody's,
used
to
the
way
we
do
things,
but
we
have
first
reading
the
Wednesday
after
the
Friday.
The
packet
goes
out.
We
don't
talk
about
it
till
second
reading.
This
is
the
second
reading
in
the
past.
D
We
would
have
had
at
least
an
extra
week
built
into
our
process
where
this
would
have
been
a
committee
of
the
whole.
We
had
a
minimum
of
of
you
know
two
weeks
from
first
reading.
There
would
have
been
like
in
the
past
before
this
year.
This
wouldn't
have
been
heard
until
June
21st.
It
was
introduced
on
June
7th.
D
D
I,
don't
feel
the
need
to
postpone
after
recess,
because
we
might
be
able
to
resolve
some
issues
in
the
next
week.
It's
always
hard
to
schedule.
I
get
that.
But
if
there's
one
thing
that's
more
important
to
this
body,
I
mean
because
the
thing
is
we're
not
asking
Chief
more
we're
not
asking
the
Union.
The
union
and
Chief
Moore
are
asking
us
and
we're
the
ones
who
have
to
make
the
decision
and
I
if
I've
done
nothing.
D
As
a
member
these
years,
it's
been
hold
out
for
the
right
of
members
to
inquire
to
fully
understand
the
question
at
hand.
At
the
same
time,
we
don't
have
all
day
we
we,
if
we
decide
we
want
to
postpone
or
punt
the
issue
to
the
next
Administration.
You
know
fine,
but
I.
Don't
have
enough
information
now
to
make
an
intelligent
decision
and
I'm
going
to
demand
that
we
be
able
to
fully
understand
the
question.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
it's
nobody's
fault
here,
Chief
Moore
was
out.
D
D
I
would
like
to
I
mean
I'm
willing
to
sit
down
with
anybody
who
wants
to,
and
we
could
even
make
it
a
notice
meeting
if
we
need
to
on
Monday
or
Tuesday
just
to
hash
out
this
problem,
but
this
is
an
intersection
of
an
emergent
problem
in
the
management
of
the
department,
with
the
relationship
between
the
administration
and
the
Union
and
I.
Don't
want
them
to
be
mixed
together.
I
want
to
untangle
those
issues.
D
What's
the
word
I'm
looking
for
to
ascribe
motives
that
aren't
there
so
I
take
the
chief
at
his
word
that
he's
trying
to
do
the
best
level
thing
he
can
do
and
I
also
take
the
Union
at
their
word
that
they
don't
understand
it's
on
they're
concerned
about
how
it
will
affect
their
jobs
going
forward.
We
shouldn't
let
an
emergency
situation
dictate
or
wind
up
dictating
good
policy
down
the
road,
so
I
favor
a
one-week
postponement
for
both
ordinances
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
pass
anything
tonight.
D
J
I
also
would
support
postponing
a
week,
noting
that
I
actually
won't
be
here
next
week,
unfortunately,
to
vote
on
it,
but
I
would
be
highly
likely
to
support
both
ordinances
as
written
I
appreciate
the
engagement
both
tonight
and
in
additional
calls
with
folks,
from
both
the
union
and
with
Chief
Moore.
The
major
concerns
I've
heard
expressed
both
tonight
and
in
those
calls
I
I
feel
like
have
been
addressed.
J
We
have
you
know
the
Chiefs
guarantee
tonight
that
nothing
about
you
know
this
is
a
stop,
stop
Gap
measure
that
will
also
be
needed
once
full
lease
once
we
are
fully
staffed
with
with
sworn
positions
that
the
squad
program
will
remain.
In
effect,
it's
a
24
7
program.
You
know
that
is
fully
implemented
and
that
the
new
assistant
chief
of
operations,
Position,
will
move
to
other
duties.
Addressing
a
few
concerns
and
Mr
Canada
said
you
know
we
need
what
Chief
more
said
in
writing.
I
guess
I
disagree.
J
These
are
public
meetings
with
minutes
and
the
record,
and
that
will
be
in
writing
and
I.
Think
Chief
Moore
is
a
you
know:
a
trusted
department
head
and
I
I,
I,
I
I
believe
that
we
can
take
him
at
his
word
what
he
said
tonight.
So
that's
one,
you
know
I
think.
There's
we've
heard
some
concerns
related
to
this,
taking
away
potentially
from
available
funds
for
increased
salary
or
retention
issues,
I
I,
don't
think
that's
the
case.
J
I
really
do
think
this
is
both
and
we
both
need
these
additional
positions
to
address,
to
changing
conditions,
to
address
changing
distance
while
also
needing
to
address
compensation
and
retention
and
I.
Believe
we
can
do
that
again.
You
know,
while
these
positions
can
help
address
gaps,
we
have
now
I.
Think
Mr
Chief
Moore
also
made
the
case
that
they
are
needed,
after
that,
temporary
situation
is
resolved
with
with
a
fully
staffed
Department
that
this
is
a
position
he
sought
for
years.
In
fact,
before
any
of
this,
the
current
situation
was
before
us.
J
So
again
we're
not
moving
swarm
Personnel
off
the
squad.
We
are
not
taking
away
sworn
officer
or
sworn
a
Personnel
responsibilities,
so
I
I,
just
don't
I,
think
the
compelling
case
has
been
made.
What
my
only
remaining
concern
is
essentially
that
we're
hearing
from
the
union
that
they'd
like
more
time
to
talk
about
the
details
and
confirm
that
these
things
are
that
we've
talked
about
tonight
are
really
the
case.
J
I
think
a
week
is
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
to
delay,
to
to
consider
that,
and
so
I
would
support
that
just
to
try
to
get
folks
more
on
the
same
page
but
I.
Think
again,
we've
largely
been
able
to
address
the
the
issues
that
folks
have
always
concerns
about
in
the
meeting
tonight,
but
again
support
delay
thanks.
F
Just
to
keep
it
short,
I
agree
with
everything
council
member
Flaherty
said:
I
I
would
be
ready
to
vote
Yes
on
both
ordinances
tonight,
but
understand
that
the
union
would
like
to
get
a
little
more
reassurance
on
what
the
consequences
will
be.
So
I'd
be
fine
with
postponing
next
week's
going
to
be
late,
so
bring
your
jammies.
C
H
Thank
you.
It's
very
interesting
hearing
all
this
discussion
tonight
and
I
was
prepared
to
support
both
ordinance
as
well,
but
I
also
think,
as
has
been
the
case
I
think
over
my
legislative
career.
Is
you
look
for
Middle,
Ground
and
I
think
a
week
delay
whether
I
want
to
or
not
I
think
that's
the
common
ground
and
the
best
way
to
move
forward.
So
I
could
support
that.
C
Just
me,
okay,
I
hear
the
urgency
of
this
issue
and
this
this
Challenge
and
that's
why
a
six-week
delay
concerns
me.
I
also
hear
the
concerns
about
the
content
of
some
of
these
decisions
and
that's
why
a
week
seems
like
a
reasonable
time
to
invest
in
some
additional
discussion.
So
I
would
be
content
to
support
a
motion
to
postpone.
C
E
C
A
F
C
S
B
AA
AA
So
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
consider
the
proposed
ordinance
that
that
modifies
the
rates
for
the
sanitation,
Division
I
won't
go
through
my
whole
presentation
from
last
week,
but
we'll
highlight
the
important
aspects
of
the
proposal
and
we'll
also
do
my
best
to
update
the
Council
on
questions
that
arose
during
the
last
council
meeting
and
since
and
can
I
check.
As
my
audio
okay.
AA
Thank
you
so,
as
proposed
and
as
presented
last
week,
staff
provided
five
rate
models
for
consideration
of
the
council.
These
models
begin
with
a
with
a
the
five
models
begin
with
no
reduction
of
the
general
fund
support,
but
raising
rates
just
to
beat
the
rising
costs
we've
incurred
and
four
models
that
would
reduce
the
general
fund
subsidy
from
25,
50,
75
or
100
percent,
depending
on
the
role
of
the
council.
AA
What
I
can
comment
on
is
that
from
council
member
boland's
comments
last
week
about
his
information
received
from
department
head
John
Zody
with
hand
on
the
number
of
households
and
things
in
a
discrepancy
in
the
number
of
accounts
that
Sanitation
Services
compared
to
some
of
that
information.
I
think
the
discrepancies
there
are
there
come
from
several
different
factors.
AA
First
and
foremost,
I
think
the
household
count
that
we
service
does
not
include
things
such
as
private
neighborhoods
in
Bloomington
council
members
may
not
know.
We
still
have
several
private
neighborhoods
on
our
books
from
I
think
it
was
early
80s
and
early
90s
developments
that
were
marketed
designed
and
built
out
as
private
neighborhoods
with
private
roadways,
not
receiving
Cindy
Sanitation
Services
I.
Think
that
makes
up
for
a
small
for
a
portion
of
the
discrepancy.
AA
We
do
feel
like
our
proposals
would
be
in
line
with
that,
even
on
some
of
the
higher
end
reductions
of
the
general
fund
support
council
member
Smith
asked
about
how
we
had
been
working
with
South
Central,
Community,
Action
Program,
for
reimbursements
or
for
credits
to
utility
bills
for
sanitation
services.
In
2022.
AA
We
exhausted
about
half
of
the
allocated
funding
so
about
2
200
of
the
five
thousand,
but
we'll
continue
to
promote
and
make
sure
folks
know
that
program's
available
to
them,
councilmember
Piedmont
Smith,
had
asked
for
some
figures
about
you
know:
what's
a
cost
to
provide
trash
service,
Solid
Waste
Service
compared?
What's
it
cost
to
provide
Recycling
services?
It's
about
a
300
000
difference
on
the
high
side
for
Solid
Waste
Disposal.
So
all
in
we're
about
1.4
to
1.5
million
on
solid
waste
and
about
1.1
to
1.15
on
recycling.
AA
The
only
I
say
about
it's
hard
to
discern
exactly
vehicle
maintenance
costs
between
recycle
and
between
solid
waste,
because
sometimes
those
trucks
are
interchanged
depending
on
what's
available,
an
empty
trash
truck
can
be
used
for
recycling,
for
instance,
and
so
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
uncertainty
there
exactly
on
how
to
push
those
costs
out
and
for
the
different
programs,
and
then
council
member
Flaherty
had
some
several
great
questions
over
the
weekend
and
but
wanted
to
for
the
council.
The
breakdown
currently
of
cart
sizes.
AA
So
for
the
35
gallon
cart
size
we
have
600
6931
accounts,
utilizing
that
the
most
popular
is
the
64
gallon,
that's
about
that's
7098,
customer
or
residence
and
the
96
gallons,
just
at
822,
as
of
most
recent
counts.
So
the
smaller
part
sizes,
the
35
and
the
64
make
up
the
vast
majority
of
the
carts
that
we
have
out
on
that
residents
utilize
overall
and
as
we
stated
last
week,
the
staff
proposed
starting
point
of
the
50
General
funds
for
reduction
was
just
that
it
was
a
starting
point
for
conversation.
AA
AA
AA
If
we
wanted
to
look
at
council
member
Flaherty's
proposed
modified
rate
structure,
I
would
probably
need
to
ask
for
some
more
time
from
I
would
need
to
ask
for
some
more
time
to
really
dive
deep
into
those
numbers.
Make
sure
those
make
sense
and
would
likely
ask
to
need
to
move
that
to
next
week
as
well.
If
we
want
to
go
that
route,
but
again
my
apologies
for
not
being
in
the
council
chambers
with
you
this
evening
and
I.
Had
this
pre-planned
travel
and
here
to
answer
any
questions
and
continue
the
conversation.
J
J
6162
and
675,
respectively,
as
cart
sizes,
go
up
and
that
total
is
thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
and
five
which
aligns
with
what
you
mentioned
last
week
as
the
total
number
of
of
accounts
about
13
500.
But
the
numbers
you
shared
this
evening
for
current
numbers,
6931,
7098
and
822-
add
up
to
14
851,
so
I
wanted
to
check.
If,
if
possible,
you
know,
maybe
if
there's
maybe
an
error
in
one
of
those
numbers
or
if
that
reflects
an
increase
in
customer
base.
AA
AA
C
C
J
So
we
didn't
discuss
this
or
in
advance.
I
would
actually
rather
not
present
this
amendment
given
Mr
wayson's
comment
that
he's
not
ready
to
sign
off
on
it
as
a
technical
matter
with
respect
to
modeling
the
proposed
reduction
phase
out
schedule
of
the
general
fund
subsidy
I
was
I,
think
it's
sound
I
was
going
off
the
2022
numbers
of
customer
cart.
J
But
I
couldn't
confirm
that
without
underlying
assumptions
and
confirming
with
Mr
wayson
so
I
just
don't
think
we
had
the
ability
to
meaningfully
explore
this
I
mean
the
issues
are
still
relevant,
but
you
know
we're
just
not
in
the
position
as
a
council
to
vote
on
this
amendment
tonight.
In
my
opinion,.
C
D
J
I
mean
that's
fine
I
mentioned
earlier
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
next
week
and
I.
Think
Mr
Sims
is
going
to
be
out
as
well
and
I
wonder
about
Mr
rollo's
ability
to
attend
in
person,
for
instance,
and
of
course
we
have
to
be
in
person
to
vote
on
fee
increases
so
that
preclude
his
his
participation.
If
that's
the
case,
so
I'm
not
sure
next
week
is
optimal
either
we
could
I.
J
Think
after
recess
was
another
proposal
for
Mr
wayson,
which
could
be
a
consideration
or
even
the
first
week
of
August
first
regular
session
of
August
I
know.
The
proposal
has
us
moving
to
a
rate
increase
in
September
I'm
curious
to
know
why
that
instead
of
January
of
next
year,
in
particular
since
we've
already
appropriated
money
for
this
year's
sanitation
budget,
including
the
million
dollar
support
from
the
general
fund,
so
I'm
curious
about
that
timeline
and
if
obviously,
it
has
implications
for
budgeting
for
next
year.
So
the
longer
we
delay
the.
A
J
J
C
Permission
granted
so
all
right,
all
right,
I
actually
have
a
question
for
for
Mr
wayson.
Could
you
help
clarify
conversations
with
Administration
have
indicated
in
the
past
and
I'm
speaking
of
mayor
Hamilton
and
Deputy
Mayor
Carmichael,
that
having
a
response
and
a
decision
prior
to
our
recess
is
critical
for
the
budget
planning
that
you
might
want
to
do
and
that
any
answer
before
our
recess
is
better
than
waiting
until
after
is
that
still
the
case,
or
has
that
changed
or
could
you.
AA
Could
you
comment
on
that?
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
council,
president
scandalaria,
you
know
our
preference
is
to
move
forward
with
one
of
the
models
that
we
proposed
it.
It
is
our
preference.
We
propose
those
models,
as
as
we
did
because
they
were
our
preferred
method
of
moving
forward.
You
know,
there's
some
fundamental
differences
in
council
member
Flaherty's
approach
to
his
rates
that
the
rates
that
he
he's
generated
as
a
post-schedule
compared
to
what
what
staff
presented
and
so
and
that's.
AA
AA
Have
it
here
before
recess?
Yes,
that
allows
us
more
time.
You
know
throughout
the
month
of
July,
as
we
prepare
our
budget
memos.
If
it's
late
July
that
we
get
an
answer
on
this,
we
can
plug
different
numbers
it
just
it
does
crunch
timelines,
you
know,
but,
as
I've
mentioned,
you
know,
we've
got
some
models
out
there
that
we
brought
forward
for
a
reason,
and
just
a
further
comment
on
that-
is
that
you
know
the
the
rate
structures
we
provided
with.
AA
If
we
saw
a
sharp
increase
in
fuel
costs,
for
example,
that
really
impact
the
budget
in
negative
ways,
you
know
we
might
be
back
in
front
of
the
council
pretty
quickly
to
ask
for
adjustments
again
to
the
rate
structure
over
those
several
years.
But
our
preference
would
be
to
move
forward
with
one
of
the
models
as
presented.
AA
But
if
we
need
more
time,
what
we
need
more
time
in
The
Proposal
from
council
member
Boland
and
Clarity
is
just
to
dig
into
those
numbers
from
our
Revenue
needs
and
our
operational
needs
and-
and
we
just
haven't-
had-
we've
had
other
staff
away
this
week
as
well.
That
haven't
been
able
to
really
review
those.
And
so
that's
our
concern.
But
from
a
timing
perspective
wouldn't
be
ideal
to
go
after
recess.
But
if
we
absolutely
needed
to,
we
would
adjust
and
make
make
do.
AA
R
T
AA
J
So
I,
I,
personally,
I
guess
I
I
just
feel,
like
the
timing,
isn't
isn't
suitable
to
consider
the
the
model
that
that
I've
worked
with
customer
Roland
to
propose
in
like
a
an
in-depth
way.
There's
I've
conducted
some
preliminary
Equity
related
analysis
from
Census
Data
I'd
like
more
depth
on
that
as
well.
I
probably
need
help
from
staff
to
do
that.
It's
just
it's
going
to
take
more
time
and
I
and
I.
I
also
feel
the
need
to
resolve
this
for
the
purpose
of
budgeting.
J
C
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C
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Amendment,
one
essentially
well.
The
legislation
as
it's
currently
written
proposes
a
50
general
fund
support
reduction.
What
amendment
one
proposes
is
essential.
Amendment,
two
I'm
sorry
Amendment
two
proposes
is
no
general
for
support.
General
funds,
support
reduction,
I've
discussed
this
at
the
last
couple.
Constituent
meetings,
I've
had
and
gotten
some
feedback
in
that
Arena
and
one
of
the
clear
themes
that
keeps
coming
up
in
conversations
I've
had
in
those
meetings
and
elsewhere
is
that
by
and
large
residents
understand
the
need
for
cost
increases.
They
understand
that
fuel
is
more
expensive.
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I,
don't
know
that
I
would
rule
them
out
forever
rule
out
a
reduction
in
general
fund
subsidies
forever,
but
particularly
in
light
of
our
recent
increase
in
the
Ed
lit,
particularly
in
light
of
having
removed
and
reduced
the
services
provided
through
the
leafing
program,
particularly
in
light
of
a
referendum
that
will
come
up.
This
fall
for
the
Monroe
County
Community
School
Corporation.
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Additionally,
I
did
have
a
question,
probably
for
Mr
wayson,
which
has
to
do
with
the
motivation
for
the
structure
of
the
of
the
all
the
proposals
from
from
his
Department
So.
Currently,
the
approach
to
raids
has
been
a
constant
price
per
gallon
for
every
cart
size.
That's
19
cents
right
now,
leading
to
rates
of
651
for
35
gallons
11.61
for
64
gallons
in
1852
for
the
96
gallon.
This
proposed
change.
J
The
one
of
this
amendment
in
particular
would
take
the
35
gallon
to
23
cents
per
gallon
would
take
the
64
gallon
to
25
cents
per
gallon,
and
the
96
gallon
would
go
to
30
cents
per
gallon.
So
you
see
that
in
the
Progressive
cost
structure
you
know
there's
potentially
some
logic
to
that
of
various
kind
of
things.
There's
pros
and
cons
to
be
weighed
so
I
wanted
to
ask
what
the
policy
conversation
was
like
internally
that
led
to
that
shift.
AA
Yeah
so
I
appreciate
that
you
know
councilmember
Flaherty
what
I?
What
I
would
say
is
that
in
our
initial
fee
structure
proposals
with
the
sanitation
modernization
program,
we
looked
at
it
from
three
different
perspectives:
that
the
making
up
the
rate
from
three
different
perspectives,
a
fixed
rate
for
all
households
that
receive
the
service,
a
capital,
recovery
rate
and
a
per
gallon
rate
and
in
all
practicality
it
didn't
it.
AA
When
you
took
out
the
fixed
rate
and
the
capital
recovery
fee,
the
per
gallon
rate
was
meant
to
be
Progressive
to
encourage
waste
reduction
in
actual
practice.
What
we
realized
very
quickly
over
time
as
cost
increased,
was
that
the
capital
recovery
fee
wasn't
there,
we
didn't
have
a
capital
recovery
fee,
the
non-reverting
fund,
for
that
or
anything
so
the
costs
were
continually
absorbed.
The
and-
and
you
know,
and
as
I
stated
in
our
last
meeting,
you
know
when
we
were
trying
to
buy
one
truck
per
year.
AA
We
were
only
able
to
buy
one
truck
every
two
years
so
that
the
reason
we've
formalized
it
with
this
rate
structure
was
because
we
recognized
we
weren't
meeting
that
Capital
recovery
fee.
The
intent
of
the
capital
recovery
fee,
so
we've
formalized
it
to
be
just
a
more
a
higher
cost
per
gallon
for
the
highest
higher
producers
of
waste
in
the
community.
So
that's
the
intent
behind
that
and
kind
of
the
underlying
assumptions
of
what
we
previously
were.
J
Can
I
follow
up?
Thank
you,
I'm,
not
sure
I
fully
understand.
Still
it's
almost
like
I
would
expect
to
see
the
opposite
if
there
was
a
a
flat
fee,
a
capital
if
there
was
a
flat
flat,
Capital
recovery
fee
and
whatever
the
other
fee
was
it'd,
be
like
a
portion
of
each
rate
would
be
the
same
and
then
Progressive
on
top
of
that
leading
to
a
progressive
rate
structure
overall.
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AA
J
These
rates,
based
on
like
the
underlying
calculations
and
spreadsheet,
you
know
for
the
for
the
development
of
these
rates.
Does
it
have
three
components?
Is
it
two
flat
fees
that
are
common
to
all
three
cart
sizes
and
then
a
progressive
price
per
gallon
fee?
On
top
of
that,
or
that's
not
how
I
should
be
thinking
about
this.
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AA
That's
why
we
landed
where
we
have,
where
you
know
the
way
we're
looking
at
these
budgeted
numbers.
Is
that
and
these
Revenue
structures
is
that
it
would
allow
us
to
meet
the
capital
recovery
needs,
but
without
formalizing
different
costs,
a
different
rate
portions
of
the
rate
for
that
it's
just
the
overall
rate
now
got
it.
That's
helpful.
AA
F
F
All
right
we
can
go
to
the
public,
then.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
Amendment
two?
So
this
is
the
amendment
to
allow
a
rate
increase,
but
only
to
cover
increased
costs
and
not
to
reduce
the
subsidy
from
our
general
fund.
Mr
Lucas.
Can
you
please
invite
people
on
Zoom
to
comment
on
Amendment
two.
N
Yes,
happily,
if
there
are
folks
that
would
like
to
speak
to
this
amendment,
please
let
us
know
by
using
the
raise
hand,
feature
which
you
can
find
in
your
control
bar
under
the
reactions,
tab
or
the
more
tab,
or
by
sending.
You
can
also
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak.
E
D
Council
for
Flaherty,
because
I
was
sponsoring
another
amendment.
I
won't
support
this
one
I
do
think
that
I
mean
I
I.
Take
councilman
Smith's
concern
seriously
that
I
that
I
know
he
doesn't
understand.
Why
why
anyone
would
propose
it,
but
I
do
think
that
again
we
have
the
same
issue
with
some
neighborhood
parking
zones
where
some
people
are
locked
out
of
being
able
to
participate
in
the
city
service
that
other
people
get
simply
by
Dent
of
the
attachedness
or
the
detachedness
of
their
residence
and
I
I
I.
D
Take
it
as
important
that
the
city
do
Sanitation
for
the
sake
of
Public
Health,
but
I
I.
Don't
believe
that
the
way
we're
doing
it,
especially
with
the
modernized
system
that
we
move
to
is
better
than
having
paid
I
mean
from
a
financial
perspective
than
having
paid
orange
tags
and
people
throw
away
paper
per
bag
of
trash.
That
was
probably
the
the
best
way
from
a
financial
perspective.
This
is
the
best
way
from
a
logistical
perspective,
but
now
I
think
we
need
to
fix
the
financing,
so
I
can't
support
it.
D
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F
I'll
take
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
Amendment.
Two
I
was
not
here
last
week,
so
my
comments
may
be
a
little
bit
longer
than
than
others.
So
well,
I
tried
to
be
here
last
week
from
a
bus
in
the
mountains.
It
didn't
work
very
well
anyway.
I
am
opposed
to
Amendment.
Two
I
feel
strongly
that
the
subsidy
from
the
general
fund
to
pay
for
sanitation
services
is
not
equitable.
F
Sanitation
services
are
only
provided
by
the
city
to
people
in
single-family
homes
or
in
buildings
that
have
four
or
fewer
apartment
units
in
them,
and
the
revenues
that
make
up
our
general
fund
are
paid
by
the
tax
base
as
a
whole.
So
anybody
who
works
in
Bloomington,
anybody
who
pays
property
taxes
directly
or
indirectly
in
Bloomington,
contributes
to
our
general
fund
and
yet
only
a
small
subset
of
those
well
only
a
subset
of
those
people
actually
benefit
from
this
service.
F
F
I
feel
like
the.
There
is
an
additional
Equity
component
in
that
most
people
who
live
in
apartment
buildings
have
less
money
than
lower
incomes
than
people
who
live
in
single-family
homes.
So
not
only
are
they
paying
more
than
their
share
of
Sanitation
Services
they're
paying
for
their
own
and
part
of
somebody
else's,
but
they
are
already
cost
burdened
more
in
general
than
people
in
single
family
homes,
so
I
I
feel
like
that
is.
That
is
not
good.
Public
policy
I
have
spoken
with.
F
Colleagues
who
feel
like
sanitation
is
a
public
benefit
to
everybody.
Even
people
who
don't
get
the
service
I
I
I
do
feel
like
sanitation
is
a
public
benefit,
but
it's
also
a
private
benefit.
The
city
could
just
as
well
make
a
rule
that
everybody
has
to
have
a
private
contract
to
pick
up
trash
and
could
ensure
a
sanitary
City
in
that
manner.
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J
You
know
slightly
with
with
input
from
the
administration
and
Mr
wayson's
Department,
as
well
as
potentially
addressing
an
accompanying
issue
that
Mr
Sims
just
raised,
which
has
to
do
with
cart
change
fees
that
could
possibly
be
absorbed
within
the
overall
cost
of
the
the
programming
and
especially
in
the
context
of
increasing
prices
and
giving
folks
an
option
to
downsize
at
no
cost
in
that
context.
So
that
would
require
a
new
ordinance
as
well,
all
of
which
is
to
say,
I
still
favor.
J
That
approach
as
as
avoiding
sort
of
the
the
price
shock
component
of
of
reduced
general
fund
subsidy
support
by
phasing
it
over
time.
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
Middle
Ground
to
help
us
get
to
to
to
other,
to
addressing
the
opportunity
costs
of
that
money,
essentially
being
able
to
use
it
for
other
things,
with
a
much
more
strong
equity
and
public
benefit
component
as
we
as
we
make
that
money
available.
J
So
all
that
to
say
I
just
wanted
members
to
be
aware
of
that
I
guess
in
the
context
of
voting
for
The
ordinance
as
as
written.
So
you
know,
even
if
we
don't
pass
it,
and
we
are
sticking
for
now
with
the
current
rates
that
just
increases
the
level
of
subsidy
needed
in
the
general
fund
for
planning
for
next
year's
budget.
So
maybe,
instead
of
1
million,
that's
1.25
million
or
1.4
million.
You
know,
which
is
what
it
is.
It's
already
sort
of
based
on
just
a
historical
anomaly.
J
There's
not
a
particular
policy
rationale
for
a
million
dollars,
as
we
found
out
last
week
in
asking
that
question
so
just
reflecting
on
where
I'd
like
to
go
with
this
and
I
would
of
course
support
the
ordinances
written
tonight,
but
but
be
in
favor
of
substituting
a
phase
out
fee
schedule
more
similar
to
Amendment
one
later
this
year.
If,
if
that
was
the
will
of
council.
I
And
then
council,
member
of
Olin,
to
I,
think
talk
with
everyone
about
the
idea
of
postponing
until
after
recess,
because
right
tonight
we
have
eight
and
next
week
we
have
two
council
members
who
are
not
attending
and
potentially
two
on
Zoom.
So
if
you
know
we
have
to
be
in
person
to
vote
so
that
is
pretty
bleak
for
next
week.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
items
that
we
could
potentially
flesh
out
between
now
and
when
we
come
back.
That
would
maybe
allow
us
to
not
have
to
bring
something
again.
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D
I
have
an
interesting
thought:
I
want
to
generally
concur
with
councilmember
Flaherty
just
said,
but
I
also
want
to
thank
Mr
Sims
for
bringing
up
the
issue
to
re-bringing
up
the
issue
of
incentivizing
people
to
reduce
their
waste
by
waiving
the
fee
for
going
down
in
cart,
size
I
would
like
to
see.
It
would
be
a
great
trick
to
see
somebody
go
from
96
gallon
to
35
gallon
I
mean
somebody
is
really
doing
a
great
job
of
reducing
their
trash
if
they
go
straight
from
that
to
that.
D
But
having
said
that,
I
don't
think
that
we
have
to
keep
this
vehicle
alive
to
encourage
the
administration
to
bring
us
a
new
ordinance
for
first
reading,
the
Wednesday
after
recess
in
Late,
July
I.
Think
it's
six
of
one
half
dozen
of
the
other
I
just
assume.
If
we're
not
going
to
pass
this
as
is,
but
we
want
to
see
something
else.
D
This
is
an
I
mean
I,
I
I,
don't
see
the
need
to
keep
this
vehicle
open,
especially
because
I'd
like
to
see
something
that
I
mean
I,
acknowledge
that
we're
sitting
here
trying
to
eliminate
all
subsidy.
On
the
other
hand,
we
also
want
to
use
the
fee
structure
to
be
strategic
about
getting
people
to
think
about
their
trash
and
to
use
less.
D
So
waiving
the
cart
fee
for
going
down
in
size
is
something
we
should
be
considering
and
I
feel
like
it'd,
be
better
if
we
brought
a
clean
bill
back
so
I
am
not
going
to
support
postponement
and
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
ordinance,
but
I
would
support
the
administration
coming
back
and
I'd
be
happy
to
co-author
the
ordinance
with
something
for
a
first
reading,
whatever
what
is
the
the
date
of
of
post
recess
July
26th?
Thank
you.
C
C
N
Yes,
if
there
are
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
speak
to
ordinance
2311,
please
let
us
know
by
using
the
raise
hand,
feature
which
you
can
find
in
your
control
bar
by
clicking
the
reactions
button
or
the
more
button.
You
can
also
send
a
chat
to
the
meeting
host
to.
Let
us
know
you'd
like
to
speak.
S
C
H
H
Just
kind
of
a
respondent
council
member
of
Olin
he's
absolutely
correct
to
go
from
the
big
one
to
the
small
one
would
be
phenomenal
and
I'm
not
suggesting
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
them
out
there.
My
direct
next
door,
neighbor
and
many
older
out
in
the
Highland
Village
older
area
that
I
live
in
when
it
first
started.
I
think
many
people
weren't
clear,
so
it
was
just
an
incentive
to
to
rightly
or
as
the
term
many
people
want
to
say
right,
size,
their
trash
reduction.
H
That's
one
reason
why
I
liked
the
amendment,
whichever
one
it
was
I
wish
we
could
mix
them
together,
but
because
there's
some
things
but
councilman,
voland
and
council
member
of
Flaherty's
the
way
it
graduated
over
time.
I
think
you
know
that
that's
burdensome
to
a
part
of
the
population
I
think
sometimes
when
we
say
Equity
I,
don't
think.
Sometimes
we
think
about
the
other,
half
the
half,
the
Haves
and
the
have-nots
in
this
town,
I
mean
so
I
know
we
do
I'm,
not
suggesting
anybody.
H
H
You
see
it's
simple,
but
when
you
add
them
all
together,
I
mean
it's
the
folks
a
lot
of
the
people
that
I
and
many
of
us
will
be
able
to
withstand
that
Haves
and
Have
Nots,
some
of
us
in
the
middle
and
up
can
withstand
it.
I'm
really
more
concerned
about
those
that
are
going
to
have
a
financial
burden
in
meeting
all
of
these
obligations
as
we
as
we
go.
So
that's
my
only
intent
and
and
that's
my
comment
so
thank
you.
E
E
Look
citizens
pay
for
schools,
we
don't
have
children
in
schools,
pay
for
Parks
Municipal
swimming
pools
when
they
don't
use
them.
They
don't
go
swimming
and
they're
happy
to
do
that
and
they
pay
for
dog
parks
and
they
don't
have
a
dog
they
pay
for
bike
Lanes
when
they
don't
ride
bikes.
Why?
Well
it's
for
the
good
or
the
community,
so
it
you
know,
is
it
more?
Is
it
good
to
make
it
more
expensive
to
live
in
Bloomington?
It's
not!
That's,
not
really
good
for
the
community.
E
You
know
and
getting
rid
of
the
subsidy
I
want
to
know
why
mayor
Hamilton
wants
to
take
away
the
general
fund
subsidy
yeah
director
wayson
has
talked
about
how
the
you
know.
The
department
runs
lean
and
needs
to
add
more
employees,
and
you
know
we
might
need
more
trucks
and
we
need
people
to
fix
it.
I
I,
just
don't
I,
don't
get
that
you
know
as
the
fun
million
dollar.
Almost
a
million
dollar
subsidy
been
earmarked
for
another
project
in
in
the
city.
E
I
don't
know:
do
they
want
to
use
it
to
help
convert
the
showers
building
I
don't
know,
do
they
want
it
for
the
convention
center
I,
don't
know.
Okay,
I've
said
my
piece
I'm
against
raising
fees
for
essential
city
services,
especially
when
the
city's
in
pretty
darn
good
Financial
shape,
and
you
know
that
goes
for
you
know,
picking
up
the
trash
feast
too,
you
know,
I
can
only
hope.
I'm
not
going
to
be
here.
E
I
I,
don't
know
how
I'm
going
to
vote
tonight
and
I
think
in
a
way
it
doesn't
matter
if
the
big
plan
is
to
revisit
this
in
some
way.
If
we
do
vote
tonight,
I
would
say
either
we
would
keep
the
subsidy
the
way
it
is
or
we
would
reduce
it
in
some
way.
Just
some
trash
thoughts,
I
would
say
that
this
is
a
really
I
think.
This
is
a
really
big
and
complex
topic
that
we're
talking
about
here
and
just
like
as
council
member
Sims
was
talking
about.
We
generate
a
lot
of
waste.
I
Looking
at
the
number
for
Mr
wayson's
slides
in
2017,
we
had
5
000
tons
and
now
we're
over
8
000
tons,
and
you
know
we
are
living
in
a
world
where
we
have
to
put
this
trash
somewhere.
So
looking
at
creative
ways
and
like
more
Equitable
ways
to
incentivize
waste
reduction
is
a
really
big
deal
for
me
and
I.
Think
we
do
that
in
some
ways,
but
we
could
do
that
in
other
ways
like
as
councilmember
Sims
pointed
out.
I
Maybe
we
should
allow
for
a
free
switch
out
of
a
can
a
bin,
but
then
maybe
we
should
charge
more
for
extra
pickups.
You
know
if
people
are
switching
down
a
bin
but
still
generating
more
or
as
the
person
who
commented
in
in
public
said
I
mean
that
public
comment
said
you
know,
a
single
person
barely
might
barely
generate
any
trash
and
like
what.
I
If
we
do
change
to
some
kind
of
pay,
as
you
throw
operation
where,
if
you
only
need
to
put
your
bin
out
once
a
month,
then
you
only
pay
for
that
bin
being
out
once
a
month,
I
think
in
general,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
here
are
on
board
with
reducing
the
subsidy.
I
mean
we
are
now
a
city
that
has
no
way
for
a
lot
of
people
to
reduce
their
waste
by
putting
their
food
scraps
somewhere,
and
that
is
something
else.
D
Everyone
have
kids,
but
this
is
a
a
service
that,
for
decades
has
been
a
fee
for
service
and
not
simply
I
mean
we.
We
don't
pay
a
la
carte
for
every
service,
but
this
is
one
where
we
do
and
we
know
that
charging
for
it
regulates
it
that
we
charge
for
it
partly
to
make
sure
that
people
think
about
their
trash
and
see
where
they
we.
D
D
The
question
of
extra
pickups
I
think
they
should
all
be
into
a
more
comprehensive
menu
of
prices
that
we
thought
about
harder
and
I'm
happy
to
join
in
meetings
during
recess
to
discuss
some
changes
with
anyone
else
who
might
like
to
you
know
and
to
work
with
the
administration
to
develop
a
new
ordinance.
But
I
just
feel
like
this.
One
is
a
little
premature
and
I
think
we
need
I
mean
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
go
all
the
way
back
to
the
drawing
board
square.
D
F
If
nobody
postpones,
it
I
think
it's
it's
it's
better
to
to
start
reducing
that
that
subsidy
and
better
to
have
a
decision
so
that
the
that
opportunity
cost
that
I'm
talking
about
could
actually
be
considered,
and
we
can
actually
have
time
to
think
about
what
we
want
to
spend
that
money
on
instead
in
the
2024
budget,
so
I'm
going
to
vote
in
favor,
even
though
that
seems
like
a
lost
cause
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
F
C
Additional
comments:
okay,
if
not
I'll,
finish
up
as
I've
already
shared
I
I
support
increases
in
fees
that
cover
existing,
that
cover
cost
increases
and
I
sense,
a
general
understanding
among
residents
that
costs
of
trash
service
increase
over
time.
Just
as
everything
else
does
so.
I
would
certainly
support
that.
I
can't
support
at
this
point
of
58
in
percent
increase
in
35,
gallon
fees,
76
percent
for
64,
gallon
and
95
percent
for
96
gallon,
and
that's
currently,
where
we
are
with
this
piece
of
legislation,
so
I
I
think
in
a
sense
there
are.
C
There
is
much
more
discussion
to
come
and
I
look
forward
to
that,
because
this
is
a
complicated
issue
and
I
think
this
particular
legislation,
as
it
has
come
to
us,
doesn't
necessarily
contemplate
multiple
moving
Parts.
So
I
look
forward
to
those
discussions,
but
I
would
not
be
supporting
this
particular
legislation
this
evening.
So
any
additional
comments.
F
E
C
C
N
C
Okay
and
seeing
none
here
in
Council
that'll
conclude
that
second
period
of
public
comment
that
takes
so,
let's
take
up
matters
of
council
schedule
a
couple
items
here.
Last
week
we
had
a
conversation
about
the
second
budget
Advance
we
elected
to
cancel
that
to
allow
some
council
members
who
had
an
interest
in
the
college
Walnut
Corridor
meeting
on
Tuesday
night.
My
understanding
last
week
is
that
there
was
not
necessarily
an
interest
in
rescheduling
an
additional
budget.
Advance
at
this
point,
is
that
accurate
or
is
there
a
desire
to
schedule
another
budget
advance.
C
N
Talking
about
postponing
and
next
week's
schedule,
ordinance
2310
was
tabled
at
a
previous
meeting
I'm,
anticipating
that
next
week
there
may
be
a
motion
to
take
that
from
the
table
to
bring
it
back
up
to
the
council
in
particular,
because
the
90-day
window
for
the
council
to
act
in
response
to
the
planned
commissions
recommendation
is
up
on
July
17th.
So
next
week
is
the
last
scheduled
meeting
you
all
have
before
that.
90-Day
window
is
up
so
I'm,
anticipating
that
ordinance
returning
to
to
the
Council
next
week,
working.