City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 13 May 2020

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Okay, so it looks like we have a quorum. This is the transportation committee.

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Meeting of the city of bloomington common council for wednesday may 13th.

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2020, we have one item on the agenda tonight at the appropriation or nen 2002.

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So we can really just get right into the discussion of this ordinance.

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Appropriation ordinance 2002, so this is especially appropriate from the local.

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Income tax, special distribution fund, the motor vehicle highway funds, a motor.

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Vehicle highway, restricted fund and accumulative capital development fund.

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Expenditures not otherwise appropriated tonight, we'll hear from city.

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Representatives we will come to council for questions after we do an overview.

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With the city, then we'll go to the public for comment and get back to a.

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Discussion and maybe more question before potentially voting on a.

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Recommendation does that sound? Okay, okay, great okay! So I think tonight we have.

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Chef macmillan, deputy controller, to give an overview of the ordinance.

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I'll ask him to start what I also wanted to introduce that meal, copper and terry.

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Porter from trent for planning and transportation and then joband review, I.

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Mean how do I say, you're laughing.

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And enter okay here from public works. Okay, so if you all would like to add.

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Anything in the overview stage- that's fine or if you want to just wait for.

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Questions just let me know as we go on okay, so, mr. mcmillan, if you.

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Want to do an overview, we're ready for you. Okay, I'm just going jeff. You.

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Controller for the city- and we have four different funds or enough talk about my.

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The first one is the local income tax special disturb you.

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And fun here we want to procreate $900,000 to go with an in dot match for.

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The sare road project of that the next one will be the motor vehicle highway.

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Fund and there we're going to be reducing the motor vehicle highway fund.

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This is because of the state legislation that went through and we have to make a.

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Restricted motor vehicle highway fund, with some restricted purposes, on what it.

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Can what they can do and they told us at the end of 18 when 19 s budget was.

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Already built- and we had to do it in 1914 s budget and now we know more about.

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It so in 21 and going on well just budget appropriately for it and the.

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Other one is cumin cap development fund where we'll be moving asphalt, money from.

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The 200 supply area to the 400 capital outlays category for classification and.

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This is so, we can match with the communities crossing grant and that's.

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Our money a bit so that's three hundred eighty six thousand there, so the net.

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Increase of everything is nine hundred thousand dollars in new money. All coming.

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From the whip fund and I can take questions or go in a little bit deeper.

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If you want me to- or I think I can ask any questions from council members right.

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Now: okay come over! Oh sorry, council member few months, another thing.

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That's first, yes, that was reviewed rather quickly and I know.

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Some of us were at the work session and asked him follow-up questions then, but.

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For the benefit also of the public and for our own review, I think it was a.

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Little too quick, so they you said at the end: okay, so we the first appropriation.

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Is $900,000 for the sale road project and then the second item is moving money.

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From motor vehicle highway to restricted motor vehicle highway, that's fine and.

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The third one was the in the cume cap development fund, moving money from.

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Category to category four, so is that also from the lit, because that bill you.

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Said: there's a total lit distribution and that compute ready okay, so the one.

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For the capital development fund is just a zero net transfer from supply to.

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Capital outlay, so we can leverage the community's crossing grant to do some. I.

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Believe it's asphalt, work where college mile road yes and be from college mall.

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From third street to ser, ok- and that was mr. van deventer for the record. Thank.

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You very much, I don't know if this makes sense, but for.

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Me it's a little easier if we talk about the project separately. So if we would.

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Like ask questions about the appropriations for sale, road and that.

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Project and then potentially ask about the college small reappropriation and.

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Does that instead of kind of taking it at all, or does that make sense.

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Yeah I wanted to ask about the so I mean the serra road multi-use path.

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Has is it being it does it exist or is it being improved? This is neil copper.

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And planning and transportation this is filling in a gap of missing paths in the.

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Existing system so between cathcart and buttonwood on.

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The west side of cerro there's currently nothing. We would be installing paths in.

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That area, okay, just to clarify so there's new multi-use.

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Paths going on on sale, road and so you're saying that there is multi-use.

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Path- north of that on college, mall, there's there's multi-use paths existing.

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Basically, from cathcart up to more spike on the west side of zero times, mostly.

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Used paths existing from buttonwood south on seer roads; okay, I'm in total.

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North of more spike that becomes college mall road right, it does. Yes, there is.

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Some hope I you that there I don't know that it's continuous on top of my head.

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Well, that's interesting and the okay.

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That's what that my question for now I may have some more thank you. Council.

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Members matthews, do you have a question? Well, I was just gonna ask if mr.

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Mcmillan or mr. van devere, what can you clarify so both projects have a certain.

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Cost associated with it, the paving sounds like it's $900,000. So what the am.

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I right there's two projects kind of going on. How much is the second one? Okay,.

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I just I know that the total project is 2.8 million, roughly two through a two.

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Hundred but two million eight hundred thirty two thousand one hundred and the.

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Indot cost is 1 million seven hundred ninety two thousand seven. Fifty two.

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Which leaves a city with a local match of the million 0:39 thousand 747.

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Or 347, okay, so for about a million three.

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Okay million forty thousand and of that.

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There's 288,000 that we're using from the general obligation bond series be.

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From 2016 that was her signals and intersections.

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And we'll finish using that bond up and then the balance is seven hundred and.

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Fifty thousand with about a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for change, orders.

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Equal that nine hundred thousand dollars we're requesting. Thank you for.

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Clarifying that for me, okay, other questions from council members right now.

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Okay: oh: go ahead. Okay. I have a second round question. Okay,.

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I got them to turn around my head around the lip special distribution fund.

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Dollars and how do we do that, so if we can kind of go through that, I think that.

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Seventy five percent right has to be used for roads and that right we have.

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The roman numerals here about engineering construction street system.

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Recreational road projects and then xx and the remaining 25% can be used for.

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Anything we tend to go put that in a general fund. I guess my question is how.

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Does that process work? How do we make those decision hmm specifically if we're.

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Looking at a road project that might need you know, bike lanes, better sidewalk.

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Where does that come into play here with what we're allowed to do with these.

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Funds- it's not make sense. Okay, yeah! I am trying to see where to start here v so.

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We, the city, got 1.3 million dollars in 2016 of that roughly 750,000 went to the.

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General fund, which is the 25 percent and the other 1.2 million, are sorry 2.1.

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Million went into the lit special distribution fund.

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Okay, so then we try to leverage the lit special distribution fund on projects.

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With matches to help stretch the dollars.

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Okay, so you leverage that 75 percent, we can leverage that 75 percent against.

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This the indot portion, so we can leverage that nine hundred thousand and.

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Yeah and get one additional 1.7 million out of it so for the project and that.

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Money all went to stare road, the 75% is what is what we're using okay, we're.

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Using 900k to match the theroad project right from the lip and the 75% of the.

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Lid right, okay, okay, gotcha.

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Councilmember bowling yeah does indot have jurisdiction over sare road.

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Like it does over a third street.

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This is needle see road as the city's and that doesn't have jurisdiction on.

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That how about college malraux college malls also the cities up until thirds.

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Okay: okay, that's why I thought so in that this is just sort of a you know.

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General, the purpose of in dots matching is to helps communities maintain roads.

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Is that pretty much the only the thinking behind it? Yeah there's two.

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Things in play the sale road project, it's actually federal funding that we're.

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Leveraging but it goes through and I say called the college mall resurfacing.

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That's actually a state grant where state funds were matching with that one.

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And that state grant is coming from not from mndot but where's it coming. Is it.

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Going through in dot, yes, okay, just to clarify! Thank you compliment yes, so do I.

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Understand correctly, that this was a one-time payment or transfer of funds.

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From the state of excess local income, tax distribution in 2016.

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Correct do is there any way to predict whether we're going to get another.

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Influx of money like that in the future.

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No, there isn't, this is the first one we've had and it.

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Was in 2016 so that's been but four years ago. So in a separate answer to me.

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About some specific questions I had you said that there had been an accumulated.

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Interest of about a hundred four thousand dollars from in that, let.

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Special distribution fund: what does that just stay in the fund and does that also.

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Have to be used for road projects, then that stays in the fund.

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I would have to check to see if that can being used, for that has that can be used.

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For other things, besides roads, I can check on that and get back with you. Okay,.

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I'd appreciate that.

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Other questions from council members may be members. I don't know what to say.

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There is about the college committee members. I have some questions about the.

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College, small funding and project- I think, if I could get in there, I think.

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This might be more for planning and transportation. I was reading a little.

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About the community crossing matching grant, but I would I would like to run.

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Through that process, with you all, what does that application look like and how.

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What is our process for selecting project? The application was a.

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Collaboration between public works and planning and transportation, I mean I.

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Think I don't know if you're interested in the kinds of questions that are on.

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The application, but it's you, know, location and description of work and why.

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You're doing it and traffic volumes on the street and crash data and a bunch of.

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Different variables that ndot uses to prioritize who they're gonna ward, the.

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Funding to in terms of prioritizing what project it has to be something that's.

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Very shovel ready, and if you also, if you looked at the commune acrossing.

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Requirements, it is fairly restricted for the types of projects they'd like to use.

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So I think, just with discussions with public works department, they had.

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Identified a need for resurfacing on college mall that this seemed like it.

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Would fit well with and joe may be able to weigh in more on that, and so this.

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Just seemed like a project that would fit really well and got prioritize to the top of potential projects. There.

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Okay, I wanted to follow up a little on that you, mr. copper, in that process. Now.

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That we have a transportation plan in place. Does that come into play when.

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You're looking at road projects for application yeah, I think it would the.

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Community crossings matching grant everything we've heard from mdot is that.

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They they've really been prioritizing worrying those funds for maintenance.

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Projects more so than kind of new construction projects, so that weighed.

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Pretty heavily on our thinking, for you know what kind of project to apply for.

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But definitely moving forward the transportation plan for this grant or.

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Any other grant or federal funding the transportation plans generally in the.

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First place, we look questions from other committee members yeah to follow up on.

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That last statement, mr. copper, the while the grants prioritized may mints over.

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New construction is there any opportunity we've lost by just.

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Maintaining the road if there was any upgrade scheduled, I think the plan calls.

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For changes to college model road over time are we gonna if we prioritize an.

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Improvement project for college mall road at some point of the near future,.

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Will we have missed an opportunity by not coordinating with the maintenance.

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That this grant would would would permit. I don't.

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Think we really are. I had some. I know I also had some email discussion with.

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Councilman rosenberger about this, the kinds of changes that we're looking at.

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On college mall road would either be a you know, a significantly larger project.

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That we really wouldn't be able to leverage or something like this or it's.

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Something where, even if we resurface the street, we would still be using we'd.

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Still be using all that same space in the future, we would still want to have.

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That asphalt brought back into good condition for it. You know so we talked.

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About everything from widening the street to removing lanes on the street.

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And in any of those scenarios you either you either want to have all the existing.

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Space that you have and just utilize it differently or you're, talking about a.

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Very expensive rebuild so, while generally, yes, we want to priority one.

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Accord make anything any changes on a street with anything else we're doing. I.

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Don't think we're missing any opportunities by resurface industry, okay,.

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I think I might have more questions but I'll defer to other members. Thank you. I.

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Remember, question yeah I could have two I mean. I know that I'm not an engineer.

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Here for sure, I just am apprehensive with this project, because I it just.

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Feels like we are again putting our dollars toward improving roads for cars.

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And not looking at improving our street system for people on bikes or people.

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Walking so alright, I guess I mean I think about something like ours that can.

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The lanes be narrower, I got, I feel, like bike lanes, aren't really wide and that.

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Can we can we find those feet in in college mall road to put in some bollard.

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During the project, because from our emails, it seems like it's pretty in a.

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Offensive to do that so yeah. I'm definitely happy to look at options for.

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Adjusting you know language on the street or are there sections where we.

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Can where it's, where all you have to do is reduce the width of the travel lane.

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To install a bicycle lane I'll tell you that some portions of the road that may.

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Be possible but other portions, the road, the existing road isn't wide enough to.

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Keep the same travel lanes and to install bicycle lanes.

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I guess I'll also say that you know, even if we, if we're able to do that, if we're.

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Able to reduce language, some, the stall bicycle lanes or even if we made the.

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Decision to remove travel lanes and install bicycle lanes, we would still.

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Want that resurfacing to proceed as planned.

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And if I can also touch on your comment about, you know basically spending money.

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On the on the roads for motor vehicles, instead of other forms of transportation,.

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I also want to want to highlight that by resurfacing this street on a on a.

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Regular schedule and before it degrades further, the city is actually using its.

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Funds more efficiently, so you can compare a street. You know the top layer.

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Of the street to the roof of your house, or if you let it get too bad, and you.

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Don't spend that money on it? You know you could end up losing your house in.

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This case, you end up losing the structure of the street. It's actually.

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Better to do that preventative maintenance on the street to keep it. You.

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Know to keep it in good shape, instead of spending even more money on it later.

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Thank council member okay yeah. If I could just follow up on that council.

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Member rosen barbara's question, so I understand that if this is a grant.

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And it's a great opportunity to to access state money to resurface. The.

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Street is the decision about possible bike lanes. Is that something that has a.

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Separate process here locally that you know we're interested in explore.

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That that there's another process we can be involved in yeah. Generally, that's.

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That's something that run through the playing of transportation department and.

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We would evaluate the street potential impacts, yeah, there's not there's not.

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Like a you know, state control process or something like that. It is a bike lane.

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Indicated along the college mall road corridor in our transportation plan, how.

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Some ever roseanne carter is nodding, her head, so I believe that transportation.

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Plan calls for a protected bicycle lane on college law. So that's something we.

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Can discuss further with your department, regardless of this grant being.

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Implemented absolutely okay. Thank you.

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Many member owain, so we just got the stunning news a few months ago before.

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The pandemic that in dot was resurfacing third street, to put it in bike lanes.

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Into narrow streets, it's not they're, not protected lanes, but still coming from.

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End dot, it's nothing short of astounding and I'm not shy about saying that again.

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Here, can you compare east 3rd streets traffic volumes to college miller, road.

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And perhaps answer the question for me: how much would it cost to put in the.

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Bollards that would make a bike lane protected on college mola road sure so.

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The section of east third street, that n dot is converting lanes on which is east.

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Of clara's as traffic volumes of about eighteen thousand cars per day at the.

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Highest location and other locations it's lower than that we we don't have.

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Recent council on college small but was extracted from some other data and we.

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Believe this college ball has between 21 and 22 thousand cars per day.

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If you just look at typical thresholds for successful lane, conversions that the.

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Cutoff is generally around 20,000 cars per day, so in dots, east third street project is below that typical threshold called.

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Small is above that typical threshold- again, that's just a typical, so you could.

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Do further analysis, but they are opposite sides of that threshold and.

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Then, to answer your question about, if we were to put in change the striping and.

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Put in just plastic, flexible delineators, a ballpark cost estimate for those.

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Changes would be about fifty thousand dollars, but that's it for just an isetta.

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Flexible basia is, is that the is that the preferred design of a protected bike.

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Lane, like is that ideal, is there some more substantive thing than a ba? I mean.

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What is the nature of the bollard? I guess that you would get for that price.

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Yeah, the bollard is, you know, most people call them ugly. It's just a white plastic.

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Post that sticks up in the air- it's flexible. If you hit it, it pops right.

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Back up, it's not the ideal. No that's the kind of quick and easy version. The ideal.

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Would be more on the line of the you know, a concrete barrier curb or a you.

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Know planted strip or something in between the travel lane and.

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What-Have-You applying or the motor vehicle and the bicycle name is it.

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Reasonable to assume that if well, I don't know how to put this, but you say.

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That college mall road is slightly above the threshold for not removing a lane.

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Whereas third street east of clear is is slightly below it, but wouldn't the.

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Installation of a concrete barrier cause a few, maybe a thousand or two cars to.

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Opt for a different path to go somewhere because they can't go.

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Quite as easily as they you, sir, quite as fast as they used to because now, there's.

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A concrete barrier causing them to think twice about going a little fast on.

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College mall, I don't know how much the concrete barrier would deter people as.

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Much as if there was one less lane on the street and there was congestion, they.

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May try to try for an alternate route. You know if we had more of a grid system.

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In this area it would be more reasonable to expect that, but you know there's not.

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There's not a convenient here by additional large street that people.

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Would go to okay! Thank you. How many of you remember net so there's obviously.

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There's two differences that you can put the plastic barriers up if, as opposed to.

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Concrete plastic ones are less expensive is. Is it something that we have enough.

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Space to do the plastic ones or is that is that also prohibited by the the width.

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Of the roads, so we do not have space to both include a protected bicycle lane.

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And maintain the same number of motor vehicle lanes.

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I see gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Another question. I have a few questions from.

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Council members that they emailed me so I will read a couple of these- is about.

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Repaving, what's the typical repaving schedule for a road with traffic vault.

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Volume similar to college small, and when was this last stretch of college mall,.

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Repaved, this is jo van deventer college mall was the last favorite. I.

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Think it's been 20 years. We've had a phaser rating of five, which.

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Is out of ten and that that rating was in 2017.

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So it's it's really starting to crack. Alligator crack and deter a little bit.

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Okay, and when do you typically repay that it was that rating system, we went.

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On a road with those volumes, it's due it's due right now, probably we try to do.

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Them every 15 to 17 years. Okay, thank you and a question about the the grant still.

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From the council person, this is from council member flaherty, he says: there's.

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A 1 million dollar cap per year for this program, this project is only three.

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Hundred eighty six thousand did we apply for any other community crossing grants.

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It's what were they were? They accepted not to end up, provide reasons why, to.

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Help guide future application.

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This is nearly, I believe that was the only that was the only application.

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Should be submitted for this round and that actually does two rounds of funding.

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Each year, so it's a million dollar cap per year in the first round fight only.

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For this project, in the second round, we haven't finalized what we'd apply for.

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But in discussions with iu health, I believe this videos indicated that we.

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Would apply for some assistance up on discovery parkway for the community.

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Cross to match the grant to bring some of that back up into shape discovery.

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Parkway is I don't know where that it, the road that runs in front of the new.

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Hospital it used to be range road, okay and has are you helped committed to.

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Matching the fund for that that why we're looking at that yeah.

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Are you health as committed, I don't remember the exact amount of funds, but.

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Yes, funds for that: okay, okay, other questions.

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From committee members olin, I have two more questions. Let me pull up the first.

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One so help me understand the litt special distribution fund. This is this.

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Was funded from a one-time payment, or is this an ongoing fun where where'd the.

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Money come from again the two point: one: it's a one-time, hey most yeah. I I don't.

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I didn't see in the notes where it came from where the money came from. It came.

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From the state and I'm gonna pull that hold on and how long ago did it come.

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Into her, but we got it in 16 and why would you say yeah yeah and so let's see.

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What it is it's a lit so when the state collects the local income tax, there's a.

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Once the fund hits a certain amount of the state they're required to refund the.

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Excess and is distributed out to the communities so you're saying we.

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Established the lid in 2016- or there was a lip before that yeah we accept the.

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Special distribution within 2016 we get another lid from that comes in monthly.

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For a bullet point income taxes and when the state builds up too much of an.

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Excess then they have to divvy that excess out. So in other words, we might.

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Have been do as a city for more of that, but that money got it's a distributed to.

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All the communities in monroe county or throughout the state or what I don't. I.

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Want to see my mate water on yeah statewide, so there's this.

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Sort of a bonus that communities across the state got in 2016 right, interesting.

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We did do an ad appropriation in 2016 for some of the money. Then right I see.

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That there was one hundred and twenty seven thousand yeah; okay, the other.

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Questions for mr. copper, how much of college small road would be like would.

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Would be affected by the inability to put in a protected bike lane, because.

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We'd lose a traveling. What portion I'm looking at a map of it out from third to.

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Morton's pike and I'm curious to know about how much if it is causing that.

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Hamstrung us, I haven't done a detailed analysis to say which sections could and.

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Couldn't I I would, I would say, probably you would end up losing a motor vehicle.

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Lane on the majority of the street, though, would it be north or south of 2nd.

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Street, do you think I would think, although the majority so for more spike,.

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Up to third in depth, I haven't done an in-depth analysis on that. Okay, thank you.

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Other questions from committee members I.

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Have a few more from council members: this is about the reappropriation of.

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Category 2 funds and to category 4. If we hadn't had a mild winter, where we didn't.

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Have excess in this in category 2? Where would the money have come from for the.

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Local maps for this project, and now that we do have the money from salt and.

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Asphalt category 2 is it you know, can we can we use that formally budgeted money.

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For purposes that were more aligned with the comp plan and the transportation plan.

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Okay, as far as the money budgeted that came from street department, so I have to.

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Defer to joe to answer that. Well, that was that was kind of the beauty of this.

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We did have a mild winter and, and we were able to that's why this job fit so.

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Well, we were it fit into what we could afford if they didn't what we didn't.

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Match? Okay, thank you and the follow-up on that question. Is you know these are.

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These funds limited to just repaving, or could we reappropriation for other.

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Projects instead, it's just paving sorry, okay, I guess it's my understanding that.

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We could instead, we appropriate these, this fund, this money to like put towards.

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Sidewalks or something like it from moving from category to to category for.

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What could category two funds go to just a different category? Oh, I guess jeff.

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Would have to answer that yeah I'll to look into I mean it can be.

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Moved to any to the categories off to check and see what all the fund is able.

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To do and have we maxed out our repaving budget for 2020, I mean what is that's.

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About two million dollars, it is roughly we have about seven hundred thousand in.

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Asphalt, okay and it had that already been budgeted for this year. Yes, we we're.

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Using salt money that way, I left over malware. Okay, so if we had not had that.

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Salt money funny to call it that salt money, but okay we had, would we not have.

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Applied for this community crossings grant, we would have had to search for.

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Money a lot harder, yeah, okay, another question from committee members.

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Yeah, I think I heard mr. mcmillan said say he was going to look this up, but I.

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Just want to make sure so what I'd like to know is what can the cumulative.

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Capital development fund be used for, and can it be used for pedestrian projects.

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Okay, okay, I think what I have left are more so common, so other questions we're.

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If not, we can go to the public for common okay, we're comments from other.

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Staff members, okay, many member smyth, have you raise your.

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Hand, no, no, okay, okay! So even do we have anyone out there who want to make a.

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Comment, I see, I see a couple of raised hands. I think mr. dave askins was first.

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One he should be unmuted now and ready to come in. I appear to be unmuted, don't.

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You hear me yes, yes, I would just say. Please say your.

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Name, and if everyone is okay with this, we can write, we don't have a lot of commenters. I think that still just keeping five minutes, oh I'll, be way under that. Okay, all right, you never know you never know. Well, I.

J

What I have is a question and I apologize for any confusion that the.

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Question might tend to so, but I wanted to follow up on a question that.

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Councilmember piedmont smith asked along the lines of this 2016 special.

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Distribution lit is there more where that came from.

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And this might hinge on the difference between a special distribution and a supplemental distribution. I don't know.

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But the news out of tuesday night's county council meeting was that.

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Washtenaw are sorry monroe county no longer in michigan that.

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No county would be receiving all tolled across all jurisdictions around five.

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Million dollars worth of supplemental lead distribution, county share, 1.4.

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Million and my back in the napkin says the city share would be around 1.4.

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Million supplemental distribution and so I'd assume that special distribution was.

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Different from supplemental distribution, but based on the description I just.

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Heard from the controller's office at this meeting, it sounds like it's sort of.

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The same thing, if too much builds up in the trust fund if it exceeds 15 percent.

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Of the total distribution, then the state goes ahead and distributes that money to.

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Keep too much from accumulating, and so my question is: is the city in fact.

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Getting more of the 2016 kind of money this year in the form of the.

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Supplemental distribution, that is say, is the special distribution from 2016.

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Actually, just a synonym for supplemental distribution. That's the question: it can.

E

Be taken up after public comment, yeah! Thank you. Our next speaker is mr. greg.

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Alexander, who should be unmuted and ready to go hello, greg alexander here I.

K

Watch all the paving that goes on around town, and I really I have to say public.

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Works does an incredible amount of work. I don't want to pretend that their job.

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Is easy by any stretch they paved west 17th street? I think last year by my.

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House and because there was no engineering plan to make it good, you.

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Know the road already had basically no sidewalks or non-contiguous sidewalks on.

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One side, history and they just repaved all 40 feet wide.

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Of it, it's only two lanes wide, but it's 40 feet of roadway because it used to be.

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A highway and they didn't allocate any of that space to bikes they allocate it.

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They made a huge ridiculous suicide lay on a left turn lane. You know.

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Double left turn lane, and it's why? Why do we need that? You know we and they.

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Just paved arlington road, you know west northwest of there and again like where.

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Arlington meets prowl; it is much more than 40 feet wide. It is.

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You could play a football game in the middle of the road. It is amazing how big that road is, and they just repaved it without any sort of consideration for.

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What could we use this space for? Besides, it's literally unused, it is literally.

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Unused space, all it does is encourage. Speeding is all it is all that that.

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Space, doesn't you look at west second street? It's that same story, there's no most sidewalks. It was just paved just now and it they just again just locked.

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In a huge oversized roadway without any sort of consideration for traffic.

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Calming or what we could do to improve the roadway, and this is when people say.

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That roads are unsustainable. We mean literally, that the road system we have.

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Cost so much to maintain, we can't afford to maintain the roads that we have and.

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So, just as a matter of course, public works is spending. These vast sums on.

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Maintaining these roads and then, if you want to do anything for pedestrians, it.

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Has to be special, we have to somehow find money out of a system. That's.

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Already spent all of its money, maintaining oversized roads and that's.

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That's really frustrating to me: we need to get I've seen a lot of a lot of signs.

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Actually of hope very recently, we need to get a process in place. I don't know.

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If it needs a committee, a couple dedicated staff members for sure and.

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Planning and transportation where, just as a matter of fact, without any special.

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Consideration, we are going in an emergency, reducing the size of some of.

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These intersections, you know, curb bowl, bouts and, and you know, bollards in the.

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Middle of the intersection, these kind of things don't cost a whole bunch of money, but they take a lot of engineering will because drivers will complain about them.

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They'll need maintenance and we just need to get in a habit of every single.

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Chance we get reducing the size of the roads, removing whole lanes in some cases.

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Reducing the width of lanes and this project.

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Do that you know none of this money. Does this and that's really frustrating me? I.

K

Don't know exactly how we could we could work that in, but that's the direction we need to go and we're not there yet. The other thing is, you know the the other.

K

Half of this project is a side path and in some sense I'm all for side path. It's.

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It's a wide sidewalk. I they desperately need more sidewalks in that corner of.

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Town, but our own growth policies plan, which is what governed this project as.

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It was before our new transportation plan says that, when determining whether a side path should be constructed, the number of driveway or intersection cuts.

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Onto a street should not exceed 8 per mile. The reason is that cyclists.

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Traveling on side paths are not highly visible to motorists. Turning into and.

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Out of these street intersections is somebody when I was a kid I used to bike.

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On the sidewalk and I got hit twice about a thousand miles of travel, that's.

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That's an incredibly awful ratio of people traveling with bikes, counterflow.

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On sidewalks, so you know- and I look at this- it's supposed to be eight crossings.

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Per mile is the absolute maximum and there's eight crossings, and it's only.

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0.6 miles so that's twelve crossings per mile of driveways, and some of these are.

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Just little piddly driveways, but some of these are fairly big. You know with turn.

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Lanes even coming out of suburbs, and so people are going to get hit if they bike.

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On this side path, you know the the innovation plan of course says in.

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Appendix ii bicycle facility type, it says a multi-use path is not a.

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Substitute for the provision of on-road accommodation: well, that's exactly what.

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It was intended as when this project was was conceived and appendix ii target.

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Speed says: oh, and this is this is actually let me let me get jump tangents.

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One more time the intersection of ser and more spike is going to receive a.

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Little bit of a revisit for this and that intersection.

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It's a nightmare, it is absolutely a nightmare. You do not want to be a.

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Pedestrian there that the slip right turn lanes there are they're 20 feet.

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Wide a car is 6 feet wide three cars could fit side-by-side, making a right.

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Turn there at one time and cars can make those right turns.

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Given the radius and the end, the geometry of those lanes, they can make.

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Those right turns at 30 miles an hour at full speed, doing.

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And that's and you're, just gonna expect: there's no stoplight, there's no traffic.

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Control, this is a side path, is gonna be going through that that slip lane. I just.

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Don't see anybody taking their kid there and that kid not getting run over and.

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That's five minutes. Oh sorry, I just want to read one more.

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Appendix ii targets, fetuses, elimination or reconfiguration of high speed channel.

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Aids right turns- and it's gonna be really hard for us to reengineer this at.

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This stage, given how it was developed, but my god, wouldn't it be nice if we.

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Actually had something nice for pedestrians and cyclists and the city.

K

Thanks so much for your time, thank you. Greg.

A

Okay with that, let's return to question: can we just I we never really said you.

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Know for anybody in the audience that maybe knew we didn't really instruct how.

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They were to indicate that they wanted to make it comment, so maybe we can do.

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That anybody else, okay, sure yeah. If anyone wants to make a comment.

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You can raise your hand with, even where is that on the frame? Is that the I think.

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It's at the bottom, or they can simply type into chat that they'd like to make.

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A comment: I've not seen anybody else step up, but.

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Yeah, perhaps giving them a few more seconds to do that simply talking into.

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The chat should be visible to all the meeting hosts. Okay, it looks like no one.

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Else I mean, since this is a committee meeting. I think if anyone has something.

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We can also be flexible, they're new and want to say something. Okay, I think we.

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Can move into a quick question say in common and casual hallway right from.

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Committee members remember a few months met. Thank you, miss smith nolan. Can you.

C

Speak to the question from mister askins about the supplemental that distribution.

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That was announced at the county council meeting yesterday. Okay, this is the first.

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Time about that, so I can't really speak too.

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Much about it and the difference between restrictive and is that that directive.

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Came from the state that it had to be restrictive versus supplemental, so is.

C

There a difference in terminology from the 2016 distribution. Yes, it is.

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Restrictive so in that, like I said, came from the state: that's how it how it is.

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The social distribution, so I would go back, go ahead. No I'm sorry.

C

Go ahead: yes, the supplemental would go into the normal route, which would be the.

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You know the part of the general fund at that point. We're restrictive a you know.

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Had us make a new fund of everything course well, I look forward to hearing.

C

More about this okay, other questions, common committee members. Next, so so.

G

We're I think, encouraging bikes and walking is fantastic in our city. Is.

G

There some price tag on building out that road for a protected bike path is.

G

There some ballpark that you could tell us that would give us an idea what that.

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Means when you said it was, it would be. Perhaps you you said it was be.

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Cost-Prohibitive, what does that mean to us if we're gonna spend 2.8 here? What is.

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It if we want to build it out so that we get a protected.

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In this is neo, copper again, so those are 2.8 million construction project. That is.

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For multi-use paths and the intersection replacement of serum or spike the I.

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Think the majority of the questions previously about installing protected.

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Protected bike lines were on college mall road as part of that resurfacing.

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Are you asking about yeah about that one? Yes, sorry yeah! So there's a whole lot of.

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Different variables that would go into the you know the cost of a protected.

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Bike lane, if we assume that, if we assume, for example, that we're not removing the.

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Motor vehicle lane and we're instead relocating curb lines and if we're doing.

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You know putting in concrete medians and things to really do it an ideal.

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Protected bike lane, I you know definitely talking about multiple.

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Millions of dollars there so I'm not saying that that's cost prohibitive, but.

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I am saying that it's expensive, so so what is that? So? What does that say to us.

G

As far as it, in our thinking about being consistent with the city plan and the.

G

Transportation and the bikes and walking around what so, does that mean that it's.

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Just our will to do it and then we can go find the money and do it or does that.

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Mean that it's really not something we can do right now for various reasons.

F

Yeah definitely some of it is prioritization. So another thing that the.

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Transportation plan does, is, it gives some prioritization for what projects.

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That recommends tackling first college mall would be a particularly expensive.

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Project, it might be something you know in some situations, especially if a.

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Street is read being heavily. You can leverage development on the street and, while they're tearing up a curb in front of.

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Their you know new building, anyway, you can have them be located or put in a.

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Better spot or whatever, sometimes we would go after a larger federal grant.

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For a job like this, but yeah there's a lot of different scenarios and variables.

F

There is that something that the city of bloomington and you all could entertain.

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But certainly we can entertain it yeah. I can't speak to how college small.

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Prioritizes among the list of many other projects immediately but absolutely well.

G

Well, I appreciate it the the one of the things in the back of my mind when I was.

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Asking this question was, if, indeed down the road, we want to become more.

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Consistent with the transportation plan and encouraging bikes and pete on that.

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Stretch, it would be probably unfortunate if we read if we did all this great work.

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Now and then we decided in a couple years.

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That wow, we really wanted the bike path and the ped path, and we wanted to.

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Protect the lane, but you know we kind of didn't, do it at this point, because it.

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Seems like it's a juncture: where could we we could have the opportunity to do.

G

It now so thank you for mr. copper for entertaining my questions and I.

G

Appreciate it, thank you, hey. Can I get one more clarification in there, so the.

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The college ball road project, the only thing we're doing right now.

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Well, one we're gonna update the accessible curb ramps on the sidewalks.

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We can do that as part of the grant, but the main thing we're doing on the street.

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Is milling off the top say inch and a half of asphalt and putting down a new.

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Layer of asphalt asphalt on top of that of that work that we're doing, I don't.

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Think we would regret any of that later if you're coming back to say, install.

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Protected bike lanes or something else, this is all work that we would still.

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Want to be in place at that time, so that would still be necessary, even if down.

G

The road we decided we wanted to have protected bike lanes on that stretch.

B

Correct. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

A

Remember boleyn well to follow up on customer smith's very interesting.

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Questions to mill college mall road now would mean to reese tripe it would it.

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Not yes, right in in in dot is literally restriping third street to make bike.

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Lanes while the full protected with concrete lanes that account that mr.

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Smith mentioned might be running to the millions we've established that plastic.

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Bollards are nominal cost, sixty thousand dollars or so in a fund. That's been.

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Sitting fallow since 2016, is there really no opportunity here to restriped.

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College mullet road so as to just I mean because here's the other thing I'm.

E

Looking at well- ok before I get down to that, I also want to ask about the.

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Intersection of saron college mall, looking at the the multi-use paths of.

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Intersection improvements project page, but I haven't yet found exactly what's.

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Being done to the intersection to improve it, what is being done to improve.

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That intersection to find sure a number of things, so one all of the traffic sort.

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Of signal equipment there is old and needs to be replaced, so it gets a.

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Completely new traffic signal, along with that, we do things like installing signal.

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Plates that make the signal more visibility, visible and tend to reduce.

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Crashes, we install pedestrian countdown timers, so if s trains know how long they.

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Have across the street we install accessible pedestrian push buttons, we're.

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Also, making a number of geometric changes at that intersection, so.

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Explicitly with the goal of improving pedestrian safety there, so today, if.

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You're crossing the street, as mr. alexander noted as a pedestrian you're.

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Kind of around the corner and out of view and about to cross a you know.

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Fairly long crossing with a really large radius, so we are actually reducing many.

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Of those radii so that vehicles going around that corner have to travel slower.

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And we are shortening crossing distances to have the same effect and also so that.

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There's less exposure for pedestrian crossing that street okay? Well, this is.

E

Exactly what I was getting at, I mean I have many times driven to that.

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Intersection thinking it is big enough to be around about there's so much room.

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In the intersection and there, especially, but all the way, north and college well.

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Road, it's a speedway, because the lanes are very wide. I was going to ask what the design speed of college mole, road and.

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This intersection are, and I'd be, very interested the answer, but you know I.

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Know the de facto answer it's much higher than the than the 30 mile an hour.

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Speed that it's that that college mill road assigned is, and so if we are.

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Literally, in fact, improving this particular intersection, which is the end.

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Of college mile road in order to make it safer for pedestrians, let alone a three.

E

Would make it more inviting for pedestrians? It seems to me that that.

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Logic should follow northward that especially considering southward we're.

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Putting in a path to make it more pedestrian appealing, but in this case it.

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Seems that if we were to follow of all people in dots, lead on east third street.

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To narrow lanes and slow down the de facto speed on college mall, road.

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Through protected protected bike lanes, however, you know non-permanent. You know.

E

With the plastic bollards, I think it would be a tremendous improvement. Do.

E

Does planning and transportation have an objection to you know incorporating this.

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Idea at some point, along with the milling project, since it's a chance to.

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Restrike, I think, probably the primary objection so in this project that we.

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Have referenced on east third street, you know one the volumes are lower, but two.

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There was significant analysis that went into that and traffic simulation and a.

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Lot of slow study on that street for what we think the impacts would be. We.

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Have not done that study on college mall, you know when you talk about removing a.

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Travel lane, you know in certain scenarios it works where you're not.

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Creating congestion you're not creating backups you're, not creating. You know.

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Queues of cars that actually stack up through adjacent intersections, which can.

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Have create significant potential safety concerns, so we haven't done any of that.

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Analysis here we can certainly do that analysis. I'm not opposed to looking.

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Further at this street, but I do also want to bring us back to even if we went.

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That route we would still want to resurface. We would still want new.

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Asphalt on this street, so regardless of kind of what paint we put down.

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Afterwards, you know we still want to to bring that asphalt back up. Thank you.

A

Other questions from committee members I.

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Think all I have left well. I do have one question about again: the application.

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Process for the the grant, it seems like these grants.

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Come out the applications close at the same time every year, I'm assuming let me.

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Know if that's wrong, but could we change our process so we do more prep. So we you.

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Know could have done traffic count on college. Small roads know what we were.

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Working with before we applied for the grant, so the grant is relatively new.

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It's only been out for a few years and they actually changed it. Maybe last year.

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Where they changed the deadlines and that now you apply twice a year instead.

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Of once a year, but to answer your question yes, I would hope that we get.

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You know now that we know this is coming annually. I hope that we have a you know.

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One a prioritization process in place and two more time to analyze and work on.

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Design for a street before the application always in. Thank you, okay, I'm.

A

A member bolin: well, I'm just going to make a comment. Now I've been in pour in.

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Comments period like okay, thank you.

E

Like I appreciate everything mr. copper has said, and you know I I'm really.

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Conflicted here I mean, I understand the reason ability the reasonableness rather.

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Of well, it's just milling, but the collective requests here really does beg.

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The question you know: are we not essentially still prioritizing.

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Automobiles, we would want it, I mean mr. copper says we would want to do this. No.

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Matter what but it's still it's just making the road.

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Better for cars to go as fast as they have been, and the the combination of the.

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Building of a multi-use path on sarah, just south of this intersection very.

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Improvement to the intersection itself to make it safer for pedestrians and in.

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Redoing third street, in a way that continues to stun me because they're not.

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Known for their interest in transportation other than cars, almost.

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Begs the question: why don't we do this now? Why don't we find some way to at.

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Least, put up plastic bollards in a way that I mean, if there's any way, we can do.

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It without reducing lanes it's great, but I you know, I just don't think it's.

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Enough, like I, I want to know what is gonna cost to do the traffic study. I.

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Want to know what it would actually you know is it? Is it possible to do even a.

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Partial, like what going one way have a protected lane instead of both ways so.

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That we don't have to get rid of a lane, but the the two lanes each way simply.

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Prioritizes cars, I think people are riding bikes there, because it's unsafe.

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To do it not because they don't necessarily want to.

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So I find it difficult to accept this on its face without answers. Those questions.

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So I'm hoping we'll go to a second committee hearing in two weeks and to.

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Get try to get some answers there, because I think we need to act now, not.

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Later, to make it to make everything all the way out all the way up, sarah and.

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College moll road be more welcoming to bikes and pedestrians. Thank you comment.

A

From other committee members.

C

Yes, I think that we definitely okay. Let me back up the minute.

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So this appropriation ordinance on its face is kind of just moving money around.

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And allocating money that was already intended for the purpose that it was.

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Intended for so that's on its face and that's that's.

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Good that we have these grants, you know to to work with. I think it's excellent.

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So congratulations to anybody who helps apply for those those funds. However, I.

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Think the ensuing conversation that we've had last hour is very insightful.

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And very helpful to us, as we look in comprehensively.

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At the city's transportation priorities, which have been codified, as as our.

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Priority is multimodal and even more emphasis on non vehicular traffic or or.

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You know what was used to be called alternative transportation, bike head and.

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Transit, so I think it's a useful conversation, but if I, if I rein it back.

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Into this appropriation ordinance, I support this appropriation ordinance. The.

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Special distribution fund- the money in there has to be used for road projects. I.

C

Would love to say, let's go repave a bunch of sidewalks instead, but we're not.

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Allowed to do that with this money and the ser road project seems worthy to to.

C

Take care of that egregiously, over-designed intersection where, yes, I.

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Have actually been guilty myself of doing a right turn at 30 miles an hour.

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It's terrible, it's ridiculous, so to address that and to extend the.

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Side path along ser road, those are both worthy goals. The second part of the app.

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Ord is just moving on from motor vehicle highway fund to.

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Restricted motor vehicle highway funds so no problem there. The third part is.

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For the college small road repaving, we received this grant, which covers 50% of.

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The cost, I think it would be stupid to leave that on the table, I mean we need.

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To go along the timeline to approve the money so that we can get the other half.

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From the state I don't know how tight that timeline is, I mean. Maybe we do have.

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More time to investigate a bike lane on college mile road, but I I want to access.

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That money, that's money for our community for repaving project. That is.

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Overdue, I am I respect what mr. copper said that you.

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Know the addition of a bike lane can still be done later, even if we had the.

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Repaving done this year, using this grant money, this 50% grant money. We could.

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Still do restriping later we could do the bollards later we could. You know we.

C

Could address what's in our transportation plan and what we must.

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Address which is improving the bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure on that.

C

Very busy street I just I mean I don't think we have the time between when we.

C

Need to pass the appropriation ordinance to access the grant money and having all.

C

The final answers on this bike lane- I just don't think you know, I think we.

C

Need to to to study that that street more carefully and see how we can best.

C

Improve the bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure there, and not just slap.

C

On a bike lane to this project, it can be done later in a more thoughtful way. I.

C

Mean maybe a side path is the answer, because then you'd get the width of the.

C

Sidewalk and you can expand that and maybe that's more feasible. I have no.

C

Idea so, as far as this appropriation.

C

Ordinance I support it. I do think it is opened up a lot of interesting questions.

C

I'm looking forward to hearing whether we can use the interest that has.

C

Accumulated in that special lips distribution fund, whatever we could.

C

Maybe use that for bicycle and pedestrian projects, I'd like to hear.

C

More about what the cumulative capital development fund can be used for. You.

C

Know maybe next year, if we have another mild winter and we have leftover money.

C

Could we use that for sidewalks, so this has raised a lot of interesting.

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Questions and issues that we should pursue as council members, we should.

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Insist that the transportation plan projects be enacted, but as at this time,.

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I I support the evilness, thank you and I.

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Want to thank mr. mcmillan- and I didn't want to criticize him earlier when I.

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Said you're going too fast. It's just. We have to keep in mind that this is the.

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First, public meeting really open meeting on the issue, and so we I want to make.

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Sure the public understood the the ordinance. Thank you committee members.

A

Let's do one am I good comment? No okay. I have a comment. I think it's going to be.

A

Pretty disjointed, but it's just a bunch of bullet from today, but here we go so.

A

Two weeks ago, in her budget advance meeting, I made it a point to say I.

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Really think we have to stop doing business as usual and prioritizing cars.

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It's not what our comp plan says. It's not what our transportation plan says.

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And I I just think we continue to dump money into helping drivers get around at.

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The expense of other other modes of transportation, and that I have a lot of.

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Concerns here right, you know it makes sense. We have this grant so that we.

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Match it and we get matching funds to repave this, but we're also, then spending.

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Three hundred eighty six thousand dollar, our own money, mm-hmm on making it more.

A

Pleasant to drive when $386,000 is actually the annual budget of sidewalks.

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For the planning and transportation department, so it's hard to say that.

A

That's a small amount of money when it's all this city has to use for sidewalk.

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Projects for me, this does go back to the beginning of the process right. I know.

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Our transportation plan is almost a year old. It was enacted in july of 2019 and.

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So asking right when we are starting to apply for these grants and what does.

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That process look like between public works and planning and transportation do.

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We look at the the the high priority bicycle network list that the.

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Transportation plan has in it to guide this process. I mean, I think we should be.

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Doing that the transportation plan says you know, there are two phases. First,.

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Phase is a list of projects for the first three years and the second phase.

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Is years two to four and being a year in? Where are we on those one to three year.

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Projects have we implemented any, have we completed any? I don't know, I don't know.

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The answer to that question and also talks about these opportunity projects.

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Right that we have the high priority network list, but also if we are doing.

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Other projects and we can piggyback on those- we should take that opportunity to.

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Improve those streets for all modes at that time and do we do that? Yet I'm not.

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Quite sure I see that this road needs to be repaved and that we could put bike.

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Lanes in later, but that does mean we're closing it twice right to traffic we're.

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Having employees out there twice and I do think it just adds a lot of cost to.

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The project, so I mean I think a lot of this is we'll get better at it right and.

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It's going to be done in the front end. It's going to be done before we get to this point that we're at we're talking to council that some of these questions.

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Getting in considered right in the beginning of the comp plan and the transportation plan, I mean.

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Committee member role and touched on this when we're looking at traffic.

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Volume counts. I think we need to look at how we move people through this space in.

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Everett with every mode of transportation right not just looking at.

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Cars, because I I think it's true, if you build it, they will come.

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No one wants to take on this road right now. No one really wants to walk on it. It.

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It's fast-moving cars. The lanes are wide right. It's pretty easy to get through.

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There and it's a lot of cars, so it's just not a place for people on bikes or.

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People walking right now and we've got to think right. How can we get folks? You.

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Know can we transfer 10% of car traffic there into bike or ped and then are we.

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Okay with two lanes and a turn lane, what does that look like you know, sounds I'll.

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Tell me I would love to see from playing in transportation with the 2021 budget. I.

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Know we're looking at the pandemic cost and expenses and a different kind of.

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Budgeting process, but a real plan to implement phase one of the.

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Transportation plan and what that might look like, does it come from actual money.

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In our budget, do is it bigger than that and I think it might be, do we need to.

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Bond for that, but I don't like us saying all the time that we need to try to.

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Piece together, leftover money for sidewalks, right and bike lanes, I mean.

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This should be as important as salting our streets for cars.

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You should also salt sidewalks right and I mean right. I know this is coming as an.

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Appropriation and in the beginning, it seemed just like right, moving money.

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Around it's okay, but it really is about priorities. The community crossings grant.

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I think it was said you know they want shovel-ready projects. Well, can we have.

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Shovel ready multimodal projects for these kind of grants that pop up so that.

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We are just ready, we are just ready, I mean to go with those, especially if.

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We're applying again here in the next couple months, pardon me.

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To talk about an amendment to this ordinance? Where? Because I I'm in.

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Approval of the sea road funding- I'm not quite sure about this, because I do think.

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If I am practicing my priorities, I just don't know if I can make this a priority.

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I mean if this repaving was a priority. Why didn't we have it in our schedule.

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For 2020 we have two million dollars right for repaving, so why wasn't it.

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There in the first place, so I don't know what that looks like. I would like to.

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Have a little discussion if we want to have a round two of this committee.

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Meeting if we can get our questions answered in the next week and go on to.

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Regular session or like what committee members want to do go I I just wanted to.

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Chime in that next week is the publicly advertised public hearing on this.

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Appropriation ordinance so at a minimum. The full council next week will have to.

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Have this ordinance appear on the agenda, take comments from the public and.

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Perhaps that can serve as the a second meeting the council doesn't have to act.

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Next week, if it's not ready to to vote on the appropriation ordinance, if the.

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Ordinance is postponed. We can simply state publicly the next.

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Meeting that'll be taken up so, but there will be an opportunity, as we go see.

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Sorry go ahead. Well, I thought that this was the.

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Publicly advertised meeting that this committee meeting was it no, I mean okay.

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The council is unlikely to send it back to committee.

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Simply put so, if that's the case, then not only is it there's no point in.

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Having a second meeting, but it sort of undercuts the opportunity of the.

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Committee to work respectfully, that's a it's too.

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Bad-Mouthed, it's nobody's fault. I just we've got a better way and just as a.

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Point of information we did submit a request or a question to the state board.

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Of accounts, all the materials I've seen have referenced that the the proper.

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Fiscal body references to the full body has to conduct that public hearing and.

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It's possible that they'd be okay with delegating that responsibility to a.

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Committee, but without an affirmative answer, we didn't want to risk somebody.

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Being able to challenge the process so just because of how how the timeline.

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Worked on publishing the notice we we went with, may the 20th so and again the.

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Council doesn't have to act that night, that's not ready. Well, I think we've got.

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Some questions that need to be answered and I think we can work with staff this.

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Week I can be in touch with staff to get committee members, questions answered and.

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We'll be able to discuss all of that write up the report and have it for next.

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Week, committee, member rowland- I just want to.

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Say I did drop the ball. I should have asked questions in writing before this.

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Meeting so I apologize for it, I want to thank mr. mcmillan mr. van deventer and.

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Mr. copper and his porter for their presence here tonight and for answering.

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All of our questions- I you know, I agree with councilmember piedmont- submit that.

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The issue at hand is the third part. I don't have a problem. We go to two parts.

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But you know I, I don't think all of our questions have been answered and so it's.

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Incumbent on me to to put the final questions in writing, which I'll have, by.

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Friday, so I want to thank you all for the opportunity and yeah. I think we.

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Should you know make a recommendation to the council tonight? Okay, I think that.

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Sounds good and if we do just follow our land-use timeline a little bit we get. We.

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Submit questions by friday I think, and then this staff can get back monday or.

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Tuesday and then we'll have that ready for discussion on wednesday.

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Yeah I pledge to do that is that okay with staff is that enough time.

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Didn't we decide that, rather than submitting questions by the end of the.

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Day friday, by the end of the day sunday, because nobody would read them between.

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The end of the day, friday and today sunday anyway, that gives the council.

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Members more time, yeah is that agreeable. But yes, we should have done that.

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Everybody that, prior to this meeting yeah, I apologize, I thought about it last.

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Week and then just I kind of fell apart, it's my first time sharing but I'll, be.

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Better, if there were some reminders and discussion ahead of time, can they.

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Remember rollin! Well I the reason I suggest friday is because, if staff is.

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Anything like council members, they may be occasionally can't avoid checking.

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Their mail occasionally and if they, if I can get them questions by friday, so that.

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They can think leather over the weekend I mean it's update. I guess I need to ask.

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Them would it be any benefit to them for me to give questions by friday, I'm happy.

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To take the time it's a bit of my sunday, but I want to know if it's, if any use to.

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Mr. van deventer, mr. copper, mr. macmillan friday, are you considering by.

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The close of day, you tell me what times best we are today friday, I'll, send it to.

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You friday morning.

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You know the earlier the better, but you know we'll. Okay, you will we'll take care.

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Of it council member rolling, no, we will.

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I'm gonna get you my questions by friday morning. I don't know about anybody else.

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But again because I didn't send you them a week ago, I'll do better so you'll have.

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The by friday morning, good, thank you. Thank you. Any other comment. I recommend.

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Do pass okay remember every month. I believe that the community crossings.

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Grant program I and staff can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it.

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Cannot be used for pedestrian bicycle projects, it has to be used for road.

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Projects, so that's a drawback of that particular grant. I just wanted to.

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Mention that yeah, I think it is pretty specific. I took a name class. That's.

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Session, honest and it seemed very car oriented, but I mean my thought here is.

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Is it just, it cost a little more attack on something that we have as a priority.

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And the transportation plan, and sometimes we can't cobble up money that.

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I would like to entertain those ideas that was my thought. Thank them that okay.

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So are we ready for a recommendation? Okay, second, okay, so I just call your.

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Name: it's not how this works. No, really. Usually we go in order. Okay,.

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Council, member golan abstain council member p month with them. Yes, okay, I'm.

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Full member smyth- yes, okay and then there's just me.

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So I'm gonna say the way this is right. Now I don't feel comfortable. I don't.

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Feel comfortable approving it, so I'm going to be I'm going to be an o on this.

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Right now, okay, so we have two yeses one: no and one abstention.

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For our recommendation I don't know I mean I guess that means we don't have a.

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Recommendation to take back account full right now. Is that how I like it's a it's.

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A neutral recommendation: it's it's! It's a we're, not positive, yeah, okay, okay, okay,.

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Moving along in my little agenda here, I think that all we've got we come on move.

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To adjournment is that is that right, something okay, so it looks like you're.

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Including our business, okay, great, thank you that is there a second second second.

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All in favor all right, hi, hi, okay, great! So that's it! For today this will go on.

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To council as a neutral recommendation, so just neutral, and that will happen may.

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20Th 6:30 p.m. thank you everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you good night.

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