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A
We
have
a
quorum,
and
this
is
the
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
for
september.
The
8th.
A
A
C
Thank
you
by
the
way,
madam
chair
and
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
say
as
presentation.
I
trust
that.
C
And
that
making
decisions
in
the
middle
of
the
night
doesn't
really
benefit
anybody,
although
it.
C
May
provide
some
political
convenience
or
preference
to
one
political
side
or
another.
C
C
That
five
and
a
half
hours
is
a
reasonable
length
of
time
for
a
single
session
of
council.
C
Or
the
committee
of
the
council,
and
that,
if
the
point
is
to
try
to
break
up
the
work
to.
C
D
We
handle
that
with
this
ordinance,
it's
a
good
question.
The
this
ordinance
doesn't
change.
C
That
aspect
of
how
we're
to
handle
things
many
members
have
had
to
leave
a
meeting
early
about.
C
But
that
would
be
unaffected
by
this
ordinance,
which
calls
for
a
unanimous
consent
of
the.
C
C
E
Sorry
I
meant
to
unmute-
and
I
admitted
someone
so
so
thank
you
for
for.
E
Proposing
this
ordinance,
I
I
think
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance
is
spot
on
and
and
as
someone
who.
E
Had
a
role
in
that
march
3rd
meeting,
I
agree
that
five
and
a
half
hours
is
more
than
reasonable.
C
Question
so
the
ordinance
has
been
worded
carefully
so
it
first
of
all.
It
presumes.
C
If
the
meeting
goes
into
the
next
day,
then,
if
it's
recessed,
then
it
can't
be
resumed
until.
C
Have
the
next
day,
if
the
meeting
will
have
to
be
continued,
many
people
are
going
to
have.
C
C
Be
even
more
onerous
than
having
to
to
reattend
a
resumed
meeting
the
next
evening.
So
it's
simply.
C
Meant
to
prevent
a
recess
meeting
from
going
too
soon
into
the
next
day,.
C
C
Meeting
past
midnight,
that's
the
goal,
I'm
working
for
here-
okay
and
actually
I'll
just
hold
the.
E
E
Understanding
correctly
time
of
resumption
is
at
least
24
hours
after
its
initial
call
to
order.
E
It
can
also
extend
couldn't
it
could
go
48
hours
later,
72
hours
later
correct,
you
can
recess
the.
C
E
E
C
C
F
Yes,
so
in
the
case
when
some,
if
some
council
member
wants
to
move
to
adjourn.
F
C
Steps
with
half
an
hour
to
go
after
five
hours,
if
somebody
isn't
thinking
about
how
to
go
on.
C
To
the
next,
like
I
mean,
if
there's
one
item
too
many
on
the
agenda,
that
can't
be
gotten
to.
C
And
the
period
we've
allotted
or
if
it
clear
the
clear
that
the
issue
needs.
C
Situations,
it
can
be
debated,
but
I
think
one
thing
we
have
to
face
is
the
possibility
that.
C
Will
be
debated
considered,
so
we've
always
had
to
have
a
modicum
of
flexibility.
However,
there's.
C
It
because
a
member
who
really
would
like
to
meeting
to
end
but
is
okay
with
just
leaving.
C
C
F
C
The
ability
to
to
schedule
items
but
under
extraordinary
circumstances,
multiple
members
can.
C
Can
move
to
put
an
item
on
the
agenda
or
to
strike
an
item
from
the
agenda.
C
A
Thank
you
additional
questions,
councilmember
flaherty.
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
roland
for
the.
G
Presentation
and
for
bringing
this
ordinance
a
clarification
question
with
regard
to.
G
Unanimous
consent
and
what
you
just
mentioned,
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
you
can
have
unanimous
consent.
G
To
not
do
something,
I
guess
I
guess
we
would
need
unanimous
consent
to
continue
the
meeting.
I'm.
C
G
I
think
technically,
motion
recess
is
not
in
order
at
any
time.
G
G
That's
a
good
question:
this
ordinance
doesn't
affect
any
other
aspect
of
our
rules,
whether.
C
They're
in
code
or,
what's
not
in
code,
is
in
roberts.
So
the
fact
that
a
motion
to
recess
is
not.
C
G
G
I
mean
yeah
we're
not
always
super
prescribed
about
all
this,
but
the
I
guess
the
proper
motion.
G
C
G
A
D
D
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
doing
that.
I
I
I'd
like
you
to
the
only
issue
I
have.
D
Is
thinking
about
unanimity
so
can
you
think,
can
you
talk
out.
D
Instead
of
a
majority
or
a
super
majority,
I
I'm
struggling
with
how
to
think
about
that.
D
During
you
know,
during
our
meetings,
I'm
I'm
not
I'm
not.
I'm
I'm
still
a
little
bit
processing
that.
C
That's
a
good
question
so
again,
like
I
said
earlier,
my
preference
would
be.
C
Matter
of
choice,
but
I
just
want
to
describe
an
example
of
a
situation
that
I'm
trying
to.
C
C
The
debate
over
the
the
single-family
zoning
and
duplexes
that
came
from
the
plan.
C
Commission,
so
it
was
committee
of
the
whole.
We
wound
up
having
six
meetings
on
that.
C
Were
every
night
many
many
members
of
the
public
who
wanted
to
speak
and
the
president
had.
C
Expressed
his
desire
that
we
not
have
nine
hour
meetings
anymore
and
so
we're
talking.
C
And
that
time
came
and
there
were
still
people
in
line
to
speak
a
good
half
hour
or
more
worth.
C
Just
squeeze
them
in
and
because
there
were
amendments
on
the
agenda,
and
we
knew
that
we
were.
C
C
C
We
can
just
squeeze
a
few
more
people
in
okay
for
our
legislative
convenience,
collectively.
C
C
C
To
be
a
vote
tonight,
that's
understandable,
but
in
a
case
like
that
there
wasn't
going
to
be.
C
Get
a
chance
to
to
speak
as
well.
I
don't
know
anyone
who
prefers.
C
C
E
Yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
come
back
to
the
unanimity
thing
in
a
second.
E
That,
actually
with
annexation
quite
a
bit,
I
can't
take
off
tomorrow
when
you're
reconvening.
C
Well,
that's
a
good
question:
how
we've
responded
to
it
is:
we've
tended
to
respond.
C
To
the
the
handful
of
people,
who've
made
that
comment
and
we
fail
to
take
into
account
everyone.
C
Else
is
already
there
like
that
doesn't
just
include
the
public,
it
includes
our
staff
clerk.
C
Staff
administration
staff-
maybe
the
petitioner
if
it
involves
a
land
use-
and
we
don't
also
have.
C
C
How
many
people
might
we
only
get
a
a
rough
sense
of
how
of
how
many
people
want
to
speak?.
C
And
I
mean
I
have
proposed
say
a
two
and
a
half
hour
time
limit
on
public
comment
before.
C
Council
to
make
a
a
harder
choice
than
we've
been
making
before.
Yes,
there
are
always
going
to
be.
C
So
people
know
it
they're
going
to
adjust
accordingly,
if
we,
if,
if,
if
we
adopt
this.
C
This
is
simply
saying
we
need
to
put
a
an
end
time
on
everything
we
do
not
just
our
individual.
E
I
had
one
more
but
I'll
wait.
Council
member
sims
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
vote.
A
He
is
next
council
member
sims.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
council
member
bolton
for.
H
The
presentation,
while
you
are
responding
or
answering
a
question
from
councilmember
smith,.
H
H
C
Saying
that
I
simply
said
that
I'm
just
asking,
I
thought:
that's
what
no
no
no.
A
E
E
C
The
public,
the
public,
the
local
income
tax
that
the
mayor
wanted
us
to
vote
on
last
year.
C
That
required
eight
of
nine
votes,
but
that
was
you
know
not
part
of
our
code.
C
Where
we
can
suspend
the
rules,
there
is
no
one
else
who
can
bind
us
except
us.
C
So
only
we
can
pass
the
rules
for
how
we're
going
to
conduct
ourselves.
So
again,
I
spoke.
C
Earlier
about
wanting
to
remove
the
temptation
to
just
push
forward,
if
we
cannot
set.
C
C
5
30
after
five
and
a
half
hours
and
that'd
not
even
be
an
option
but,
as
mr
flaherty
pointed
out,.
C
There
would
be
a
vote
to
adjourn
and
if
even
one
member
said
or
a
vote
to
continue
rather.
E
E
And
why
can't
it
just
be
a
majority?
Maybe
I
should
ask
the
question:
why
does
it
need.
C
Why
put
it
to
a
vote
at
all?
This
was
to
me
simply
slightly
more
flexible
than
an
automatic
ending.
C
To
continue,
that's
fine,
but
I
will
say
this:
we
have
a
10
30
rule
that
says
that
we
shouldn't.
C
Introduce
legislation
after
10
30
without,
I
believe
the
super
majority
vote
I
can
name.
I.
C
After
10
30.
again,
I've
seen
in
enough
meetings
to
know
that
the
gut
impulse
of
the.
C
And
I'm
saying
that
that
we
have
to
stop
doing
that
and
how
we
do
that.
I'm
happy
to
entertain.
C
The
would
be
1030
rule.
I
felt
that
it
was
necessary
to
say
we
have
to
have
a
hard
stop.
C
C
Going
to
make
different
choices
about
how
we
take
up
ideas,
how
we
consider
ideas,
how
we.
C
That
wouldn't
be
enough,
so
I
mean
I
I
certainly
don't.
I
can't
object
to
somebody
amending
it.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
council,
member
volun.
I
either
you
or
one
of
our
colleagues
has
mentioned.
F
C
G
Up,
I
think,
I'm
in
the
same
vein,
sort
of
it
doesn't
seem
that
emotion
would
be
necessary
to.
G
Essentially
and
say,
if
there's
no
objections,
we're
gonna
carry
on
with
the
meeting.
G
But
but
doesn't
it
actually
take
a
motion
to
recess
or
a
motion
to
adjourn
to
end
it
like
the.
G
Adjourn
or
to
recess
right,
that's
a
good
point.
I
mean
under
this
code
the
simple
motion
to.
C
C
C
Would
be,
there
would
be
no
point
in
having
the
vote
now
councilman
scandal
larry
has
suggested.
C
Seven
requiring
eight
members
to
do
it
instead
of
nine.
I
I
think
how
it's
drafted
is.
G
But
make
it
very,
very
rare
or
a
very
exceptional
circumstance
that
you
would
indeed.
G
This
is
sort
of
a
higher
threshold
to
overcome
and
continue
on.
All
I
was
trying
to
clarify
is
that.
G
G
It
just
will
keep
going
until
someone
anyone
moves
to
adjourn
right.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
Follow-Up
as
well,
if
that's
okay,
if
folks,
I
think
maybe
this
was
covered
in
your
memo,
but.
G
If
folks
depart
the
meeting
prior
to
midnight
say
without
making
a
motion,
the
meeting
only.
G
Has
six
or
seven
members
remaining?
Let's
say
that
if,
if
those
members
unanimously
felt
the.
G
A
A
Point
either
what
what's
your
pleasure?
I
I
have
a
comment
but
not
a
question.
Okay,
we
can
go
ahead.
A
With
comments
I'd
like
to
thank
councilmember
vollen
for
bringing
forward
this
legislation.
F
Wears
down
your
your
mind
and
it's
it's
very
important
that
we
be
sharp
and
alert
and
thinking.
F
At
our
best,
when
we
make
decisions,
so
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
this
ordinance.
I
think.
F
F
Then
I
think
it
will
be
fair
to
everybody
involved.
I,
for
one,
can.
F
You
know
tell
my
constituents:
I
will
always
call
that
five
and
a
half
hour
adjournment
or
recess.
F
F
A
meeting
beyond
that
point,
so
I
think
that
you
know
if
you
want
to
take
that
as
a
clear
sign.
F
Of
how
things
would
go,
I
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
to
the
public,
even
if
they
have
waited.
F
Most
efficiently
and
not
not
draw
things
out
or
be
repetitive,
so
I'll
be
happy
to
support
this
in.
F
A
Councilmember
flaherty.
Yes,
thank
you
just
briefly
I'll
be
supporting
this
ordinance.
G
As
well,
like
mr
roland,
I
I
think
I'm
open
to
the
idea
of
just
a
hard
stop
at
midnight.
No.
G
And
would
carry
on
where
we
left
off
the
next
regular
session,
and
that
seems
fine
to
me.
G
As
well
and
actually
grants
an
extra
layer
of
certainty
beyond
the
outside
possibility,.
G
However,
narrow
of
the
meeting
going
past
midnight
with
the
code
as
currently
written
in
this
in.
G
E
More
reasonable
meeting
times
and
that's
why
I'm
grateful
that
we're
having
this
conversation.
E
In
principle,
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
I've
heard.
The
one
thing
I
snag
on.
E
Is
that
unanimity
requirement,
and
what
I'm
coming
to
is
that.
H
And
presented,
we
all
agree
that
late
meetings
are
not
desirable.
H
We
there
are
other
tools
in
our
toolbox
to
help
ensure
that
it's
just
very
difficult
on
the.
H
H
Public
comment
and
much
debate
between
council
members,
part
of
my
concern
is.
H
Has
been
said,
but
I'm
wondering
who
defined
what
reasonable
length
or
ending.
H
At
a
reasonable
hour
is,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is,
I
don't
think
there
was.
H
Been
spoken
very
well
with
my
colleagues,
I
will
say
this
when
it
comes
to
counseling.
H
One
example
that
I'll
use
is
our
march.
The
third
meeting
had
to
do
with.
H
That
was
an
outlier,
it
did
happen.
I
think
we
all
admit
that,
but
that
was
four.
H
This
ordinance,
I
don't
think,
we'll
rectify.
Lastly,
what
I'll
say
is
if
we
use
the
data.
H
And
I'll
go
back
to
2018
and
I'm
sorry
next
week,
if
need
be
I'll,
have
a
total
amount
of
of.
H
All
council
meetings
held
during
that
period,
but
from
2018
2019
2020
and
up
till
now
in
21.
H
Done
after
this
piece
of
legislation
was
entered,
so
I
think
the
intent
is
correct.
H
H
H
In
this,
I
don't
really
feel
comfortable
being
able
to
support
this
legislation
this
evening.
J
J
This
in
spirit,
I
support
it.
I
think
that
I'll
be
passing
tonight,
because
I,
as
we've
discussed.
J
And
I'm
still
determining
whether
this
matters
enough
to
me
to
to
vote
for
or
against.
J
To
finish
a
subject,
one
could
imagine
something.
That's
time
sensitive,
for
instance,.
J
Where
the
you
know,
the
costs
of
recessing
outweigh
the
the
benefits,
as
it's
structured.
J
Where
we
may
wish
to
continue,
and
perhaps
where
the
majority
for
the
super
majority.
J
The
most
or
maybe
holy
so
I'll
take
a
little
more
time
to
think
on
this
and
be
passing
tonight.
D
I'm
gonna
pass
on
it
tonight
as
well,
and
I'm
gonna
think
about
it.
With
regard
to
the.
D
D
It
brings
this
goes
us
in
a
good
direction,
so
I
think
mr
vollen,
for
that
and.
K
When
meetings
have
gone
on
too
long
or
folks
are
trying
to
wrap
something
up,
and
so
I
really.
C
A
Us
to
go
as
long
as
we
need
to
go
to
get
the
job
done,
and
there
are
problems
with.
A
Rescheduling
sometimes-
and
there
is
sometimes
merit
in
continuing
on
the
trajectory
and.
A
I
have
always
taken
it
as
a
part
of
my
council
responsibilities
that
we
work
until
the
job
is.
A
Done
and
sometimes
we
go
late
into
the
evening-
it's
it's
not
as
often
as
perhaps
we
think
I
know.
A
Those
are
the
nights
we
remember
because
they're
painful,
none
of
us
want
to
have
to
go
that
late.
A
C
C
I
want
to
make
a
distinction
between
recessing
the
agenda
of
a
meeting
versus
postponing.
C
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
clarify
that
distinction.
The
motion
to
reassess
is
only
to.
C
C
C
Time
or
being
able
to
easily
anticipate
it
will
lead
us
to
what
has
happened
this
year.
C
C
While
march
3rd
had
an
example
of
a
single
issue
taking
six
hours,
if
there
had
been
a
limit.
C
C
Giving
ourselves
the
option
of
going
that
late,
the
the
concern
on
unanimous
consent
again,
I.
C
Think
is
misplaced.
It
is
more
flexible
than
simply
putting
in
code
that
no
meaning
can
go.
C
Out
of
nine,
instead
of
nine
out
of
nine
approving
it
continue.
But
the
the
point
is
to.
C
C
C
C
16Th
of
2016.
the
big
issue
that
night
was
park
south
and
we
were
debating
railings
and
planters.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
Have
to
face
the
fact
that
our
schedules,
just
gotten
too
busy
to
you,
know
to
endorse
such.
C
Things,
I
don't
know
anybody
who
benefits
from
it.
The
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
was.
C
C
We
get
to
get
done
with
scheduling
and
the
like.
So
really
we
contemplated
three
three
and
a
half.
C
C
Or
we
keep
doing
what
we're
doing
so.
I
would
ask
everyone's
help
and
sensitive
ways
to
modify.
C
A
A
Me
on
my
screen
for
the
straw
vote
and
that
would
be
council
member
rosenberger.