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B
Yes,
councilmember
rallo,
not
quite
here
yet
councilmember
vollen
here.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
If
we
have
no
objections,
as
listed
on
the
agenda,
amendment
o2,
which
is
under
3a.
A
A
Discuss
those
together
at
the
end
and
we'll
do
the
other
three
first,
if
there's
no
objections,
mr.
C
C
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
objections
to
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you
seeing
none
also
with
regarding
structure
of
debate
in
our
previous
meetings.
A
We
have
had
council
members
debate
limited
to
three
minutes
for
questions
and
comments.
A
And
that
will
include
multiple
rounds
and
we
have
also
been
limiting
public.
A
And
that
is
sponsored
by
council
member
scam,
belleri.
D
E
B
Yes,
councilmember
vollen.
A
I'm
gonna
check
with
mr
our
parliamentarian.
Is
it
not
time
to
just
move
to
the
sponsor.
E
I
believe
we're
just
ready
for
the
the
clerk
to
read
by
title
and
stops
us
first
and.
B
B
D
Second,
thank
you
been
properly
moved,
segmented,
counselor
members
kembler.
Will
you
please
present.
D
Yes,
thank
you
and
if
I
made
mr
lucas,
could
you
please
screen
share
the
map
of
this
area
to
start.
D
Us
out
and
let
me
actually
preface
by
saying
I
I
appreciate
the
work
done
by
administration
and.
D
Particularly
staff
in
thinking
through
the
areas
that
may
make
sense
for
annexation
and
for.
D
D
The
evolution
of
a
city,
and,
in
my
case
this
amendment
and
the
one
of
which
I
am
a
part
next.
D
Offer
that
thought
these
parcels
and
mr
lucas,
if
you
could
kind
of
cursor
over
just
so
these.
D
Their
much
of
their
land
is
focused
on
is
owned
by
the
sycamore
land,
trust
or
the.
D
D
A
Very
much
and
as
we
have
done
in
the
past,
I
think
I
would
prefer
that
they
go
through.
A
C
I
was
intrigued
by
the
idea
that
only
one
of
the
properties
is
waivered,
but
it
doesn't
have.
D
G
To
have
the
option
of
having
sewer
service
extended
to
them
and
then
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
G
G
Parcel
like
that,
but
sometimes
it
just
hasn't
been
extended
either
for
cost
reasons
or
something.
G
C
Of
my
understanding
about
the
extension
of
sewer,
that
phrase
is
that
if
there
is
a
a
group.
G
G
C
But
yeah
I
mean
in
the
past,
at
least
in
other
words,
you're
saying
that
that
from
from
this.
G
A
See
none
council
member,
I'm
sorry.
H
Mr
rooker
can
just
finish.
I
can
see
my
some
of
my
time
to
mr
baldwin's
question.
G
G
Absent
statutory
credits
that
we
have
to
give
them
for
a
period
of
time.
C
Sort
of
extend
sewer
mains
without
I
mean
especially
to
area
it's
not
been
developed
yet.
I
I
I
I
I
Facilities
to
undeveloped
areas,
okay,
and
when
you
say
three
years
of
revenue,
you
mean
the.
I
A
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
so
including
the
water
that
they
consume
correct,
correct.
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
member
scam,
ballerina.
Yes,
just
a
procedural
item,
mr
under.
I
Attorney
at
bozeman,
kenyon
evans
and
I'm
outside
annexation,
council
for
the
administration.
J
Yes,
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
follow
up
on
some
of
the
questions
that
council
member.
J
G
G
The
main
extension-
and
there
are
no
capacity
issues-
city
of
bloomington
utilities-
would.
G
Extend
sewer
service
but
to
that
individual
and
if
they're
in
the
municipal
corporation.
J
D
Thank
you,
mr
lucas,
two
triangles,
mr
lucas,
could
you
point
those
out.
D
Okay
and
I
believe
I
need
to
double
check
this
with
the
property
owners,
but
I
believe.
D
C
Are
protected,
I'm
sorry
you're
right,
I
misspoke,
and
then
that
would
be
I'm
pointing
to
my
own.
D
D
That
is
a
property
owned
by,
I
believe,
the
bowie
family,
and
that
part
of
that
is
part
of
the.
D
D
D
J
Yes,
so
the
it
seems
the
the
argument
here
is
that
these
are.
J
It
doesn't
have
street
names
here,
but
anyway
there
there's
some
big
parcels
south
of
roar.
J
Road
that
are
undeveloped,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
why
we
would
make
we
would
take
out.
J
D
The
same
thing,
too,
these
were
the
parcels
that
were
brought
to
my
attention
and
for
which
I
was.
D
Asked
for
help,
and
so
that's
what
I
focused
on.
I
did
not
hear
any
specific
comments
from.
F
F
We
don't
feel
that
way
about
a
lot
of
the
other
parcels
around
the
different
areas.
J
Gosh
jackson,
creek
drive,
which
looks
very
similar-
I
don't
know
who
owns
it.
A
Do
we
have
any
piedmont's
method
I
apologize?
Do
we
have
any
other
questions
from
council.
A
Full
time
and
either
parliamentarian
can
help
me
or
or
counsel
staff.
A
I
assume
councilman
repeat
my
smith.
Well,
I
I'm
trying
to
apply
the
same
logic
that.
J
Was
used
for
amendment
two
of
exempting
those
properties
at
rogers,
road
and
sailroad.
A
Thank
you
and
I
never
said
they
were
irrelevant
just
looking
from
a
procedure.
A
J
The
developed
versus
undeveloped
map
that
mr
rooker
sent
to
us
late
last
week.
E
G
So,
michael
rooker,
again
city
attorney
what
I
would
say
about
that
parcel
is
it
provides.
G
G
Apply
standards
universally
like
that
there
are
certainly
cases
where
development
occurs.
G
G
G
G
J
That
one
parcel
does
stretch
from
the
north
to
the
south
of
that
green
area.
That's
a
single.
A
Council
member
flaherty
yeah,
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
following
up
in
a
similar
vein
about.
E
Trying
to
apply
uniform
standards
to
the
extent
possible,
I
think
the
parcel
just
pointed
out
is.
E
Owned
by
something
that
ends
with
investments
llc,
just
as
an
fyi,
which
maybe
distinguishes
it.
E
And
essentially
undevelopable
because
it
is
protected
by
a
land
trust.
E
G
G
G
E
Dude,
that's
correct,
nobody's
contacted
the
city
and
presented
a
circumstance.
It's
quite.
G
Like
these
five
parcels,
I
think
that's
a
member
flaherty
so
similar
question
again
trying
to.
E
Think
through
the
reasoning
behind
you
know
a
variety
of
reasons
behind
annexation.
E
I
think
there's
a
case
to
be
made
in
the
for
this
amendment.
For
those
reasons,
both.
E
Let's
say
to
the
west
are
very
similar,
I
mean
we
have
probably
a
single
household
residing
on
a.
E
You
know
sort
of
paying
into
the
common
pool
of
resources
to.
E
D
D
D
Very
substantial-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
case
for
the
other
properties.
E
A
But
I
would
like
to
continue
the
question
on
the
issue
of
fairness.
So,
mr
rooker,
if
you'd.
G
There
is
something
to
the
point
that
you
made
council
member
flaherty
that
when
you
live
in.
G
G
To
it-
and
I
think
that's
largely
the
point
that
you
were
trying
to
make-
I
don't
know
that.
F
F
Very
sorry,
being
a
non-profit
would
not
pay
any
additional
taxes
if
they
were
annexed.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
council,
member
smith.
Did
you,
council,
member
smith,.
H
Thank
you.
I
I
would
ask
if
mr
rooker
or
miss
guthrie.
H
H
If
that
is
broken
there,
with
this
amendment
and
removing.
H
H
Right
broken
the
contiguity
right
he
would
have.
Then
the
the
areas
need
to
be
contiguous
with.
F
Each
other,
and
so
you
would
end
up
with
everything
to
the
east
and
north.
There.
F
Would
be
no
longer
contiguous
with
the
rest
of
area
two,
so
they
they
would
in
or.
H
So
is
everything
east
and
north
and-
and
maybe
I
was.
G
The
hypothetical
example
parcel
council
member
piedmont
smith
pointed
out
earlier
would.
H
A
A
Indicate
by
using
the
raised
hand,
function
hit
zoom
or
you
could
send
a
note
to
our
meeting
post.
L
L
Consistency,
and
apart
from
the
fact
that
the
city
sewer
system
doesn't
come
close
enough
to.
L
In
2007
2018,
when
we
both
had
to
replace
sewer
sewer
to
properties
out
there,
we
were.
L
Told
that
the
city
does
not,
the
sewer
doesn't
come
out
anywhere
close
enough
to
hook
up
and.
L
L
East
side
of
smith,
road
that
are
contiguous
to
our
land
and
none
of
these
seven
properties.
L
And
they
are
all
much
newer
homes,
large
properties,
it's
overall,
but
none
of
these
are
included
so.
L
L
L
L
L
L
M
Yes,
my
name
is
barbara
fry
and
I'm
one
of
the
property
owners
whose
property
is
being.
M
M
O
Excuse
me,
mr
chair,
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
her
is.
Is
it
just
me.
N
N
N
J
Yeah,
yes,
mr
president,
I
wonder
if
ms
wiggins
was
talking
about
edgewood
hills,
which
is
not.
A
A
Mr
lucas,
who
do
we
have
next?
Please
next,
is
jeremy
james.
P
Everything
that
barbara
fry
and
jocelyn
bowie
said
they
really.
I
won't
take
really.
P
Any
more
of
your
time
because
they
said
it
sustained
play,
but
I
just
want
to.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comment,
mr
james.
Do
we
have
anyone
else,
mr
lucas.
A
For
final
comment
and
or
other
questions
of
any.
C
They'll,
be
virtually
nil,
but
I
mean:
is
there
a
significant?
Will
there
be.
D
G
City
attorney,
I
don't
have
the
property
tax
impact
analysis,
aggregated
for.
G
Is
three
hundred
and
seventy
nine
thousand
one
hundred
dollars
so
just
to
characterize.
G
That,
briefly,
that
is
not
a
particularly
large
figure
in
the
context
of
this
annexation.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
bowman,
council
member
flaherty.
Yes,
one
of
the
our
commenters.
E
From
the
public,
I
think
ms
frye
mentioned
the
desire
to
keep
contiguous
sycamore
land.
E
Imagine
the
terms
of
the
conservation
easement
or
whatever
it
is
dictate.
What
can
happen.
E
Of
contiguous
protected
lands
being
under
under
multiple
jurisdictions,
so
to
speak.
G
I
I
can
michael
rooker
again,
I
can
do
my
best.
I
certainly
am
I'm
not
the
foremost
legal.
G
F
F
H
Very
not
dense
area,
it's
not
developable,
which
is.
H
Certainly
one
of
the
major
criterias
in
the
annexation
argument
and
beyond
that
these.
H
Folks
are
happy
where
they're
at,
and
I
support
that
so
I'll-
be
supporting
this
amendment.
E
Oh
yes,
I
was
going
to
add
my
final
comments
as
well.
Yes,
I
think
I
will
support
the
amendment.
E
I
see
it
as
something
of
a
close
question.
I
appreciate
the
work
that's
been
done
on
it
and.
E
Both
of
those
things
is
important
as
compared
to
areas
that
are
just
undeveloped.
Of
course,.
E
This
positive,
I
I
do
bristle
a
little
bit
at
the
notion
that
the
property
owners.
E
Immediately
adjacent
to
the
west
will
will
may
become
part
of
the
city,
and
these
ones
won't.
E
Something
that
arbitrary,
but
some
level
of
line
drawing
inevitably
and-
and
you
know
the.
E
Commenters
rightly
pointed
out
that
the
same
as
that's
true
to
the
west,
true
immediately
to.
E
E
I
think,
on
balance,
I'm
I'm
gonna
go
to
support
this
and
appreciate
the
the
conversation
thanks.
B
A
A
Okay,
council,
member
flaherty,
we
would
be
ready
to
consider
another
amendment.
Whoever
would
like.
E
D
D
D
D
There
are
no
waivers
signed
for
this
area.
Every
every
home
is
on
septic.
Q
Removed
from
consideration
due
to
all
the
features
and
what
is
surrounding
it,
and
so
I.
Q
Am
I
am
happy
to
bring
this
amendment
forward
along
with
miss
campbell
area?
Mr
rowland.
C
I'll
take
a
chance
here
too
there.
This
is
like
several
other
places,
a
close
call.
C
Reason
to
consider
it,
but
for
me,
what
put
it
over
the
top
of
my
very
high
threshold
for.
C
Considering
removing
some
parcel
from
annexation
was
laurie
lane
that
the.
C
But
more
importantly,
it's
the
the
section
of
road.
I
was
trying
to
measure
it
on
the
map
here.
C
Is
they've
estimated
at
half
a
mile?
I
don't
think
it's
quite
that
long,
but
it's
not
just.
C
So
I
mean
I
think
it's.
It
should
be
an
indication
to
other
neighborhoods
that
would
seek
to.
C
Remove
themselves
that
you
know
the
the
proximity
to
the
city
is
a
big
deal
and
that.
C
D
Point
two:
is
it's
easy
to
conclude
and
that
this
neighborhood
is
much
like
all
the
others.
D
On
that
side
of
446-
and
it
is
actually
geographically
separate-
none
of
these
roads.
D
C
Between
the
corner
of
laurie,
lane
and
46,
and
the
light
at
446
is
four
tenths
of
a
mile.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification
and
thank
you,
sponsors
for
your
presentation.
A
A
bit
of
corrective
housekeeping
this
is
amendment
three
of
ordinate
17-12,
which
is.
F
F
F
Road
maintenance,
no
plowing.
All
of
that
you
know
just
a
comment
on
a
neighborhood.
F
And
they
go
to
the
city
and
use
the
amenities,
just
like
the
rest
of
the
community.
F
F
Is
heavily
subsidized
by
city
taxes
so,
for
example,
the
swimming
pools.
F
Swimming
lessons
kid
city
every
summer,
just
a
lot
of
things
that
parks
offers
and
there.
F
F
A
Thank
you
very
much
miss
guthrie.
We
will
now
move
the
council
questions
first
round
questions.
Q
Are
paid
for
by
fees
because
could
someone
from
the
staff
give
me
an
idea
of
how
much
is.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
J
Yes,
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
something
council.
Member
vol
allen
said
that
I
did
not
understand.
C
C
Ravines,
a
very
narrow
road
is
unlikely
if
ever
to
get
sewer.
But
for
me
the
I
mean.
C
There
are
other
neighborhoods
for
which
that's
true
in
this
case,
though,
the
only
connection.
C
To
the
city
is
what
I
mean
before
this
were
to
be
annexed
was
46
four
tenths
of
a
mile.
C
And
46
has
no
pedestrian
amenities
east
of
446.,
so
you
know
like
again.
J
Doesn't
have
a
shoulder
either?
Yes,
but
it's
not
state
highway
with
high
speeds
run
by
indot.
E
Eight
parcels
that
are
directly
off
of
46
on
the
south
side
of
the
road,
of
course,
in
this.
E
E
E
Just
pointed
to
illustrate
that
that
you
know
weren't
necessarily
line
drawing
so.
E
Are
there
other
any
other,
unique
considerations
that
we
need
to
bear
in
mind,
as
we
consider
this
amendment
that
the
administration
could
add.
F
F
Croker
is
able
to
or
steve
longer,
but
this
this
is
just
a
neighborhood.
That
looks
like
a
lot
of.
F
G
And
just
one
one
minor
comment:
I
see
deputy
mayor
don
griffin
has
turned
his
camera
on.
G
Somewhat
coherent
as
well
so
you'll
often
see
them
drawn
along
a
roadway
because
it
gets.
G
A
little
bit
wonky
for
people
to
understand
where
the
boundary
to
a
municipality
begins
and.
G
Confusing
areas,
so
there
is
an
element
of
just
general
coherence
so
that
understanding
where.
G
Went
into
drawing
the
map
and
in
different
places,
there
were
different
factors
that
were.
H
So
I
I
I
just
want
to
ask
these
questions
out
loud
and
if
the
sponsor
sponsors
wish
to
answer
them.
H
H
Area
does
it
does
it
meet
the
the
density
standard
for
annexation,
and
I
realize
it's
only.
D
According
to
their
numbers,
they
have
more
acres
than
homes,
they
have
58.38
acres
with
58
houses.
D
Not
without
taking
out
a
lot
of
trees,
I've
driven
that
road
many
many
times,
and
it
is.
D
To
go
very,
very
slowly
it
in
many
places
the
road
runs
right
up
to
trees.
So
it's
not.
D
I
guess,
theoretically,
you
could
put
sidewalks
anywhere
with
enough
time
and
money.
I
don't.
D
I
don't
see
that
being
likely
here
and
go
ahead.
Oh
yeah,
so
I
keep
an
eye
on
the
clock.
H
Of
the
city-
and
you
know
I
I've
thought
about
that,
as
I'm
looked
at
the
other
amendment.
H
As
well,
and
so
it's
for
me,
it's
just
it's
just
an
a
good
argument
that.
H
H
Can't
see
forcing
them
into
involuntary
action
so
well,
thanks
for
entertaining
my
questions.
R
One
for
me,
I
I
think
leaving
it
out,
would
make
the
map
look
really
weird
so
like
for
the
sponsors.
R
C
If
I
could
take
this
one,
sorry,
okay,
yeah
again,
I
think
that
the
highways
make
a.
C
Within
the
city,
much
as
there
are
other
state
roads,
you
know
state
road,
46,
west
of
446.
C
But
what
mr
rooker
said
about,
or
I
forget
who
was
counsel,
whether
it
was
mr
rooker
or
ms.
C
Guthrie
said
about
sort
of
the
significance
like
the
border
of
the
city,
would
be
moved
out.
C
C
Okay,
I'm
in
wilmington
now,
while
we
certainly
could
push
for
indot
to
improve
this
quarter,
this.
C
Neighborhood,
it
just
seems
it
it's
more
arbitrary
than
most
of
the
decisions
that
have.
C
To
have
a
street
without
sidewalks
like
say,
grant
in
the
in
the
middle
of
my
district.
A
Bite
if
it's
okay,
first
thing,
I
will
say,
is
that
of
self-sufficiency
and
many
that
are
in.
A
Consider
annexation,
however,
the
question
that
I
have
is
this
is
with
staff.
G
Amendment
proposed
by
council
member
scandalory,
where
other
residents
were
not
receiving
either
a.
G
Municipal
sewer
or
water
service
that
said
there
is,
there,
are
top
topographical.
G
Gravity
fed
that's
the
cheapest
way
to
provide
them.
I
believe
in
this
area
we
would
have.
G
G
Once
they're
in
the
city,
okay,
thank
you
and
I've
also
part
of
this
discussion
had
to
do
with.
A
User
fees-
and
I
think
many
of
us
know
in
particular
with
park
and
rec,
to
use
those.
A
And
when
I
hear
this,
the
subsidization
of
that
through
tax
dollars.
But
I
get
to
thinking.
A
Least,
financially-
and
I
guess
I'll
direct
that
toward
again
mr
rooker
or
miss
guthrie.
A
G
Yes,
there
are
different
rates,
you're
right.
Those
are
really
nominal,
though,
in
the
grand.
G
Or
20
extra
dollars
for
a
particular
program,
and
I
I
don't
mean
to
sound
that
I
don't
think.
G
That
comes
close
to
the
necessary
cost
and
I
I
don't
have
a
clean
analysis
of
what
would
be.
G
Required
in
order
to
make,
I
see
that
the
time
has
expired.
Briefly,
no
I'm
sorry.
I
think
I
got
to.
A
Jester
but
thank
you
very,
very
much,
mr
worker.
Do
we
have
any
other
questions?
I
see
councilmember.
A
E
To
follow
up
on
a
point
mr
rickard
just
made
in
response
to
you,
mr
sims,
about
the
potential.
E
For
sewer
in
the
future-
and
my
question
is:
wouldn't
that
be
true-
that
if,
if
the.
E
Hoa
the
community,
the
neighborhood,
wanted
to
come
together
and
develop
some
sort
of
forced.
E
Of
a
voluntary
annexation
in
the
future,
if
they
made
that
decision
collectively
about
wanting
to.
E
E
E
E
Know
what
those
thresholds
are
actually
offhand
percentage-wise
signatures,
so
I
can
tell
you.
G
G
I
E
Annexation
is
that
an
annexation
that
happens
automatically
whether
the
city
wants
it
or
not,
or.
I
E
S
Verification
is
the
the
the
super
majority
is
100.
Is
that
the
threshold.
A
K
Yes,
and
before
I
I
see
one
hand,
hand
raised
at
the
moment,
I'll
just
remind
folks
if
you.
K
Some
folks,
under
the
reactions
button,
other
folks
may
need
to
look
under
the
participants.
Tab.
K
T
T
T
There's
there's
there's
no
there's
no
place
to
put
a
sidewalk
anywhere
near.
T
Finally,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
regarding
sewers,
when
we
did
a
sewer
study.
T
Of
our
neighborhood,
I
think
it
was
in
2012
to
clarify
that
that
pumping
station
at
the
lower.
T
T
U
All
desheva
good
evening,
my
name
is
nolan
weslink,
my
wife,
maria
and
my
daughter.
U
Was
serving
in
the
marine
corps,
I'm
in
favor
of
this
amendment.
I
wanted
to
to
explain
why.
U
Where
their
houses
are
on
larger
lots,
there's
no
street
light
street
lights
sidewalks
and
we.
U
Enjoy
the
the
peace
and
quiet
that
that
affords
so,
the
neighborhood
is
separate
and
distinct
from.
U
The
surrounding
neighborhoods
connection
to
the
city,
sewer
system
and
other
provisions
of.
U
Of
city
amenities
are
neither
feasible,
nor
are
they
needed,
edgewood
hills.
U
Other
services
from
from
the
the
county,
so
there's
no
benefit
for
us
being
annexed.
K
Next
is
the
screen
name,
dano
dano's,
iphone.
A
V
And
I
just
a
couple
points
of
clarification:
one
some
of
the
some
of
the
city
folks
had.
V
Talked
about
our
density
being
appropriate
for
urbanization,
but
I
are
for
inclusion
in
in
the.
V
And
and
also
all
the
land
on
either
side
of
lori
lane
is
owned.
V
It
would
require
an
eminent
domain
claim,
so
just
wanted
to
clarify.
A
W
A
W
W
W
X
X
X
X
I
also
wanted
to
address
an
earlier
question
about
the
importance
of
46
versus
446.
X
X
They
can't
yet
get
themselves
there
in
a
way
that
feels
good
to
them
and
that
to
me
really
kind.
A
Any
other
further
questions:
councilmember
flaherty
yeah,
it's
just
a
quick
clarifying.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
still,
counsel
any
final
comments
or
other
questions.
R
This
has
been
answered
already.
What
percentage
do
we
know
what
percentage
of
current
bloomington.
R
G
My
fingertips-
and
I
do
not
know
I
do
not
know
it
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
could
inquire.
G
With
director
kelson
to
see
if
he
could
provide,
if
he
has
that
data
available
to
him
regarding.
A
C
C
Interesting
conversation,
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
arguments
that
I've
been
hearing
about.
C
C
C
Neighborhood
currently
as
a
non-city
neighborhood,
but
it's
very
tempting
to
say
out
in
the
county.
C
As
accounting
and
mr
smith's
argument
for
the
removal
of
this
area
could
apply
to
many
portions.
C
Of
the
proposed
annexations,
I
think
that's
I
mean
it
sounds
like
mr
smith-
would.
C
Remove
significantly
more
parts
of
the
proposed
annexations
than
just
this
small
one.
C
C
C
To
its
maximum
extent,
it
is
in
very
difficult
terrain,
relatively
speaking,
for
a.
C
Suburban
neighborhood-
and
I
have
seen
it
on
multiple
occasions
and
I
can
concur
that
there
is.
C
C
C
Car
for
fear
that
I
would
be
or
to
turn
left
in
you
know,
going
eastward
because
of
the
the
traffic.
C
That
this
neighborhood
is,
despite
appearances
outside
the
city
in
more
ways
than
one.
C
And
you
know
again
it's
a
close
call
for
me,
but
that's
why
I
was
supportive
of
this
amendment.
A
Council,
member
flaherty,
yes,
I
wanted
to
sort
of
think
through
my
reasoning
as
well
in
that
it's.
E
A
close
question
for
me
again
as
councilmember
golden
mentioned:
there's
a
lot
of
factors.
E
But
I
I
don't
think
I
found
it
really
passes,
muster
the
idea
that
folks,
outside
the
city.
E
Just
sort
of
a
truism,
but
we
still
have
to
draw
lines.
So
that's
not
dispositive
to
me.
E
And
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
more
offer
than
that.
Besides,
maybe
you
know
the
level.
E
Of
density
or
the
fact
that
we
could
deliver
trash
service
to
the
area,
I
do
think
that.
E
More
than
they
more
than
not
by
being
annexed
is
not
that's,
not
an
appropriate
framework
for.
E
E
E
Yeah,
I
don't
really
buy
into
that
logic,
but
a
few
other
things
that
factor
into
this.
For
me.
E
There's
no
continuity,
contiguity
issue,
that
is
we're
not
removing
any
other
areas.
This
is.
E
At
the
edge
of
a
proposed
boundary-
and
I
appreciated
mr
rooker's
comment
about
using.
E
E
E
E
So
I
know
I
just
kind
of
listed
a
lot
of
factors
that
were
weighing
into
it.
For
me.
A
H
Natural
boundary
and
though
that
area
over
there
is
really
off
to
the
side.
H
H
H
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
smith.
Any
other
final
comments
from
council.
J
Yes,
thank
you.
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
the.
J
J
Is
a
factor
for
me
as
well
like
it
is
for
mr
roland
and
that
it
is.
J
It's
off
of
46
to
the
east
of
446.,
does
kind
of,
in
my
view,
put
it
put
it
outside
of
the.
J
Kind
of
sequential
development
that
we've
seen
sprawling
out
of
the
east
side
of
bloomington.
J
So,
for
these
reasons
I
think
I
will
be
supporting
this
amendment,
but
I.
J
I
would
respectfully
disagree
with
some
of
the
points
that,
mr
that
council
member
smith
raised.
J
As
far
as
we
shouldn't
annex
them,
because
it
doesn't
benefit
them
or
they
are
self-sufficient.
J
And
they
ought
to
stay
that
way.
This
these
are
arguments
that
could
be
applied
to
many
areas.
J
J
Case
here
in
edgewood,
hills
and
yeah
sure
being
self-sufficient
is
great
and
you
know
I
think.
J
In
in
the
case
of
a
neighborhood,
you
know
they're
not
hauling
their
own
trash.
J
Into
the
dump
they
are
using
private
haulers
and
such
so
there's
a
limit
to
their
their.
J
Self-Sufficiency
in
that
way,
but
so
so
I
really
do
want
to
single
out
this
neighborhood.
J
Was
no
waiver
for
pursuer
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
this
particular
amendment?
Thank
you.
R
This
one
has
been
really
hard
for
me
and
I
I'm
really
really
appreciating
all
these.
R
On
the
no
for
this
amendment,
but
I
I
almost
I
just
feel
like
this-
can
really
go
both
ways.
R
And
I
think
there
are
good
points
on
both
sides
of
it.
Some
of
this
discussion
really.
R
And
without
sidewalks
the
difference
is
they
a
lot
of
them
want
to
be
on
sewer
and.
R
I'm
with
some
fellow
council
members
that
I
don't
find
the
argument.
This
doesn't.
R
R
R
Development
in
the
city
and
most
of
those
are
by
plan
one
entry
point
for
multiple
reasons:.
R
There
on
that
road-
that's
really
neither
here
nor
there,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
like
the
tiniest.
I.
R
Mean
this,
for
me,
is
like
a
51,
no,
so
very,
very
close,
but
that's
it.
I
think.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Do
we
have
any
other
final
comments
from.
A
Councilmember,
yes,
just
as
maybe
a
compass
for
my
considerations
in
this
process,.
S
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
any
other
final
comment
from
council,
the
council
member
of
olin.
C
Yes,
I
wanted
to
make
one
quick
second
comment,
because
I
think
it's
indicative
of
future.
C
Considerations
for
annexation,
I
think
I
would
have
found
it
more
persuasive
if
the
city.
C
C
C
Know
like
it's,
it
can
be
kind
of
weird
to
see
one
side
of
the
street
get
an
x
another
side,
not.
C
I'd
rather
see
the
entirety
of
a
street
nx,
both
sides
of
the
street
properties
on
both
sides.
C
You
know
if
you're
going
to
go
all
the
way
out
to
a
street
if
the
north
side
of
46
had
also.
C
C
A
Okay,
see
now
I'll
take
a
final
bite
up
or
take
a
bite
of
the
apple.
I
have
to
agree
with.
A
Councilmember
piedmont
smith
in
her
position
that
self-sufficiency
or
that
the
concept
of.
A
Self-Sufficiency
is
simply
just
not
enough
not
to
be
considered
for
annexation
in
this
process.
A
Support
this
amendment,
however,
I
just
want
to
say
again:
I
support
council
member
piedmont,
smith.
A
B
E
Sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
us
that
we'll
need
a
motion
to
introduce
the
amendment.
E
A
Mr
I'm
sorry
councilmember
smith.
Would
you
care
to
present
sure
if
you,
if
you
don't.
A
A
H
First
of
all,
let
me
thank
mr
lucas
for
all
the
the
work
he's
done
on
this
and.
H
Helped
me
out
a
lot,
so
I
I
appreciate
that
heritage
woods
contacted
me.
Some
of
the
home.
H
People
in
the
homeowners
association
group
of
people
and
they
put
forth
their
arguments.
H
And
it
kind
of
goes
like
this,
it's
very
quite
similar
to
the
edgewood
hills
that.
H
In
which
is
going
to
be
highly
unlikely
again
because
of
the
topography
they're
going
to
have
to.
H
Have
the
lift
stations
and
the
force
valves,
as
mr
rookie
ricker
had
mentioned,.
H
I
was
in
both
neighborhoods
edgewood
and
heritage
woods
and
they
both
they
looked.
The.
H
And
so
they
asked
me
if
how
what
they
should
do,
and
so
I
they're
my
neighbors
and
I
I
thought.
H
Geez,
I
should
help
them
out,
and
so
I
I
believe
there
they
have
good
argument
to
be
removed.
H
Similar
to
edgewood
hills,
and
so
I
ask
you
to
consider
this
and.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councilman
smith.
Before
we
move
forward,
I
will.
A
Ask
the
administration
if
they
have
a
position
on
this
amendment.
F
F
Out,
though
so
originally
the
thought
was
to
just
have
an
amendment
eliminating
heritage,
woods.
F
F
Entirely
waivered
and
they
have
sewer
and
water
heritage
woods
road
has
water,
but
not
sewer.
F
Again,
this
is
a
neighborhood
that
is
adjacent
to
the
city.
It's
contiguous.
F
Not
contiguous,
but
they
are
according
to
the
annexation
statute,
so
we
believe
that
this.
F
Requirement-
and
it
is
completely
developed
they-
they
do
have
a
private
road,
but
sanitation.
F
Are
getting
currently
from
private
or
the
county,
and
we
do
this
in
other
places
in
the
city.
K
Yes,
as
corporation
counsel,
guthrie
just
explained,
amendment
four
contains
all.
K
Of
the
area
that
was
just
removed
via
amendment
three,
so
you'll
you'll
see
the
area
included.
K
In
amendment
three
and
I'm
happy
to
display
that
on
display
that
on
the
map,
if
you
would.
K
Like
but
amendment
four
would
remove
additional
area
the
heritage,
woods,
road
properties
as
well.
K
As
the
neighborhood
to
the
east
of
of
the
area
you
just
removed,
so
this
this
amendment
includes.
K
Be
you
know
would
take
effect
over
amendment
three.
So
if
amendment
four
were
to
fail.
K
Amendment
three
is
still
in
place
and
the
area
you
just
removed
would
still
be
removed.
K
A
E
Smith
and
staff
for
weighing
in
councilmember
smith,
could
you
confirm
that
the
primary.
E
E
E
That
they
would
not
be
receiving
sanitation
or
snowmobiler
services
can
can
city
staff
speak.
F
F
Have
a
number
of
roads
where
the
trucks
go
in
and
do
their
their
work
and
then
back
out.
And
it's.
F
F
City
that
are
narrow,
so
they
would
provide
all
of
the
services
that
public
works,
provide.
E
And
that
would
include
road
road
maintenance
as
well.
There,
yes,
potholes
repaving,
all
that,
yes.
E
E
Specific
road,
I
think
I
think
that
oh
I
did
have
another
question
for
city
staff.
Actually.
E
That
there
is
water,
but
not
sewer,
delivered.
My
understanding
is
that
we
pursue
those.
E
E
E
I
I
A
O
Yes
is:
are
there
issues
of
topography
on
heritage,
woods
road
that
would
prevent.
G
G
G
G
Other
way
to
say
this
pump
sewage
up
to
the
the
main
underneath
heritage,
woods
roads.
So
this.
G
G
To
about
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
per
home
to
hook
onto
the
sewer,
and
that
sounds
like
a
big.
G
Price,
but
I
think
that's
comparable
or
very,
very
much
comparable
to
the
cost
of
installing.
S
And
suppose
this
is
for
mr
rooker
or
miss
guthrie.
We
were
speaking,
you
were
miss
guthrie,
you're.
S
Describing
heritage
woods
road,
if
that
were
taken
separately,
the
area
to
the
north.
S
The
proposal,
do
you
mean
to
say
contiguous
with
area
two
not
contiguous
with
the
city
is,
is.
S
F
S
Okay,
so
so
it
could
be
we,
it
could
be
explored
in
terms
of
its
own
area.
F
S
So
go
ahead,
steve
unger
ought
to
he
yeah.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
about
you
know
just.
I
Keep
in
mind
annexation
laws
change
every
every
year,
so
there
is
always
risk
that.
G
Beginning
that
whole
minimum
six
months
per
four-month
process
from
the
beginning
again.
S
So,
council
couldn't
so
council
couldn't
couldn't
draft
an
ordinance
to.
S
Create
that
as
a
separate
area,
you,
you
know,
because
it's
not
a
process.
Yeah.
G
G
New
annexation
area
at
this
late
stage
in
the
proceedings,
mr
unger,
do
you
have
more
comments.
G
You
want
to
make
well,
it's
already
proposed
as
one
so
it's
just
it's
not
contiguous
with
the
area.
S
I
You
you
would
need
to
similar
to
what
we
did
with
area
one
once
we
learned
that.
I
A
separate
ordinance,
a
separate
fiscal
plan.
Arguably
we
could
try
to
do
that
at
this
stage.
I
There
is
risk
that
it
could
be
invalidated
because
it
was
carved
out
so
so
late
in
the.
I
Q
E
Thank
you.
I
had
a
question
for
mr
council
member
smith,
which
is
that
I
wanted
to.
E
Confirm
that
the
primary
intent
of
this
amendment
was
to
remove
heritage,
which
road.
H
We
rolled
them
together
because
of
the
cut
because
of
the
content
contiguity
issue
easy
for.
E
You
to
say
yeah,
thank
you
and,
following
up
on
that,
the
administration
has
has
correctly
pointed.
E
E
E
Sponsored
the
amendment
and
support
it.
But
how
do
you
think
that
others,
who
may
not.
E
Did
that
make
sense,
I
guess
the
fact
that
cedar
springs
is
going
to
be
removed,
undermines.
E
The
the
viability
or
attractiveness
of
this
amendment
to
me
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could.
A
It's
all
good
hold
that
spot
you'll
have
a
minute
or.
A
Some
seconds
left
when
we
return
do
we
have
any
other.
A
A
Okay,
council
member
bowling,
councilman
rolo
I'll
get
back
to
you
on
the
next
round.
C
A
I'm
seeing
no
other
council
member
just
a
quick
question:
there
are
no
waivers
on
heritage.
A
A
I
guess
now
we
will
thank
you,
councilman
obama.
We
will
return
to.
A
Questions
but
now
we
will
go
to
public
comment.
I
will
remind
the
public
that.
A
Through
the
participants
button
or
the
reactions
button,
I
believe,
or
you
could
indicate
by
using.
Y
Y
At
a
previous
meeting
I'll
admit,
I
kind
of
got
surprised.
I
was
not
aware
the
city
said.
Y
Y
Y
Roads
think
about
it
we're
a
mile
long
road,
35
homes
go
nowhere.
Where
would
we
fit
in
the
city's.
Y
Y
Yes,
we
do
go
into
the
city,
we
use
the
the
restaurants,
the
parking
garages,
we
feed
the
meters.
Y
Y
Z
Z
Z
I
appreciate
the
thorough
discussion
just
a
couple
of
points
about.
Z
Dead-End
road
and
there's
no
turnaround
so,
for
example,
bus
school
buses
stop
at
the
end
of.
Z
Z
Z
The
road
that
way,
the
other
thing
about
the
sewers
is
obviously
it's
it's
expensive.
But
again
I.
Z
Think
it
was
noted
that
the
houses
are
off
of
the
ridge.
The
sewer
would
be
up
at
the
road
level.
Z
Z
Heritage,
woods
is
a
great
thing
once,
except
for
the
I'm
sorry
miss
lesnar.
Your
time
is
up.
Thank.
A
K
I
don't
see
any
additional
requests
for
comments.
Okay,
I
think
we
still
had.
A
Some
questions,
maybe
directed
at
our
amendment,
sponsor
he's
back
with
us.
A
Returning
to
council
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
our
sponsor.
It
was
a
way
to
to.
A
Internet
issues-
council,
member
flaherty
I'll
try
again
which
councilmember
smith.
If.
E
You
hadn't
heard
my
question
was
related
to
cedar
springs
the
area
north
of
heritage,
woods.
E
E
Hole,
do
you
have
you
didn't
really
mention
this
in
your
presentation
of
the
amendment
so.
E
I
wanted
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
expand.
You
know,
expand
your
reasoning
about
why.
E
A
good,
a
good
area
to
annex
based
on
sewer
service,
etc
to
the
north.
Thank
you,
council,
member.
H
By
the
boundaries
of
46
and
446-
and
it
did
not
bother
me
as
far
as
adding
that
piece
in.
E
E
E
H
Figure
that
I
was
told
actually,
when
I
met
with
not
heritage
woods
when
I
met
with
some.
H
A
You
we've
got
any
other
questions
or
final
comments.
I
guess
we're
ready
for
final
comments.
Q
I
know
there
have
been
a
lot
of
statements
and
I
appreciate
my
colleagues
for
talking
about
the.
Q
Before
the
interruption
was
to
pare
down
what
I
considered
to
be
a
very
ambitious
proposal,.
Q
Q
A
E
E
This
evening,
among
council
members
clarifying
the
myriad
factors
that
go
into
consideration
here,.
E
E
Really
helpful
for
me
to
hear
all
of
that,
so
I
appreciate
the
conversation.
The
fact
that
the.
E
City
will
accept
the
road
and
provide
some
level
of
service
matters
to
me
to
some
extent,
that's.
E
Of
heritage,
woods,
road,
so
too
does
the
impact
on
contiguity
in
the
area
to
the
north.
This.
E
E
You
know
the
gentleman
who
spoke
of
being
punished.
For
this
reason,
I
I
suppose
I.
E
And
what
you're
near
matters
to
some
extent,
of
course,
of
course
it
does
so.
I
think.
E
E
East,
I
think
east
of
446
should
be
annexed
and
and
that's
also
meeting,
that
threshold
of
east
of.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Number
of
heritage
woods-
road
residents
that
I
thought
I
was
likely
to
vote
in
favor
of
this.
E
I
moved
the
other
way,
so
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
those
those
residents
if
they
would
like
to.
E
D
Really
appreciate
this
discussion
tonight
I'll
likely
make
a
a
more
comprehensive.
D
Statement
when
we
actually
take
up
the
ordinances
in
september,
but
for
the
time
being
just
to.
D
D
Okay,
there
are
a
number
of
arguments
that,
in
and
of
themselves,
are
not
compelling
to
me
some.
D
D
D
D
So
that's
how
I
tried
to
think
about
it,
issues
that
are
compelling
to
me.
Okay,
what's
the
history.
D
Of
the
neighborhood
relative
to
the
evolution
of
the
city,
it
was
very
striking
to
me
when
a.
D
The
city
at
the
time
and
when
someone
said
you
know,
I
don't
turn
left
when
I
come
out
of
lorry.
D
D
D
Exist
because
bloomington
does
and
it
seems
very
much
to
be
an
extension,
so
I
will
not
be.
J
Yes,
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
amendment.
I
feel
strongly
that
well
for
one
thing.
J
Cedar
springs
really
should
be
part
of
the
city.
It's
they
all
signed,
waivers
and.
J
It's
a
very
new
development.
It's
frankly,
the
the
streets
are
are
so
wide
and
it's
it's
really.
J
Would
not
allow
such
a
a
wide
street
and
would
make
it
more.
J
More
of
an
an
urban
feel
and
a
a
feel
where
it
would
be.
J
Springs,
definitely,
I
think,
needs
to
be
annexed.
I
I
take
to
heart
what
mr
unger
said
about.
J
J
Heritage
heritage,
woods:
road
again,
it
is
just
north
of
gentry,
east.
J
One
race
streets
in
the
city
already
so
that
kind
of
lack
of
connectivity
is,
is
not.
J
Urban
in
nature,
as
far
as
their
development
that
are
just
almost
as
far
east
right
off.
J
Of
446-
and
so
this
this
just
fits
in
with
that,
so
I
will
be
voting
no
on
this
one.
Thank
you.
H
Well,
I
just
I
just
like
to
say
that
my
colleagues
should
probably
take
a
drive
out.
H
Take
a
look
at
the
similarities
there.
They,
they
kind
of
look
like
twins
in
a
way.
H
The
the
areas
really
is
separate
from
the
city
and.
H
Long
time
and
they
still
feel
that
way,
and
so
I
wanted
to
bring
this
forth
and.
H
15Th
in
vote
on
the
total
package,
there'll
be
something
else
coming
forward
to
to
work.
H
To
try
to
help
out
heritage
woods
so,
of
course,
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
amendment
and.
A
Council
members
gambler,
yes,
thank
you
and
I'll
be
very
brief,
but
I
just
I.
B
Sorry,
my
microphone
wasn't
down
yes,
councilmember
sims.
A
C
A
Thank
you.
We
will
now
move
to
the
next
amendment
of
17-12
for
area
2,
amendment
0-5.
E
Since
it
had
not
yet
been
sponsored,
and
also
to
introduce
amendment
5
of
ordinance,
1712.
A
A
Mr
flaherty,
will
you
please
present
and
or
staff?
Yes,
I
will
turn
this
over
to
staff.
E
To
present
the
amendment,
thank
you
steve,
unger
again
outside
annexation,
council
for
the
city.
I
I
I
Three
years
following
the
annexation,
you
you,
an
empowerment
fund,
is
required
under
the.
I
I
Of
the
parcels
are
one
acre
or
less,
and
the
second
is
that
there's
the
three
persons
per
acre.
I
Impoundment
fund
you'll
require
you'll,
recall
the
areas
1b
1c,
3,
4
and
5.
all
of
their
ordinances.
A
Thank
you,
mr
hunger.
Do
we
have
any
questions
from
council
members
for
mr.
S
Mr
unger
does
this
in
any
way
affect
council
action
regarding
modifying
the
the
areas.
I
Does
it
I
wanna?
No,
it
doesn't
impact
the
areas
themselves
that
how.
I
J
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
so
the
additional
property
taxes
that
the
city
gets
from.
J
I
J
H
I
Makeup
of
that
board
is
fixed
by
statute.
It
is
the
the
township
trustee
of
the
largest
the.
I
A
We'll
get
to
that
when
we
get
to
that.
Thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions
from
council.
A
Oh
and
amendment
number,
five
of
ordinance
17-12
that
provides
for
the
creation.
K
Don't
see
any
at
the
moment,
we'll
just
remind
folks
if
you'd
like
to
comment,
please.
K
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
letting
the
public
know
how
to
indicate
how
they
wanted
to
speak
and
seeing.
A
B
C
A
A
Two:
that's
part
of
ordinance,
17-0
9,
which
is
area
1,
a
council
member
flaherty.
Yes,
just.
E
E
Moved
it
in
ordinance,
17-09,
be
introduced
and
read
by
the
clerk
point
of
order.
Point
of
order.
E
We
will
consider
final
votes
on
all
of
them
on
september
14th,
so
I
guess.
E
Lucas
would
the
proper
motion
be
to
move
to
postpone
for
consideration
until
september
15th.
AA
K
The
purpose
of
considering
these
amendments,
certainly
if
there
had
been
a
motion
to.
K
You're
not
able
to
adopt
either
ordinance,
1712
or
1709
tonight
30
days
has
not
passed
from
the.
K
I'm
not
sure
if
that
clarifies,
I
I
don't
think
emotion
to
postpone
is
needed.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
Please
follow
rome,
couldn't
hear
you,
yes,
councilmember
piedmont,
smith,.
A
Okay,
are
you
sponsoring
this
councilman
authority.
A
B
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
member
flaherty
move.
We
adopt
amendment
2
to
ordinance
17-09.
A
Second,
thank
you.
It's
been
properly
moved
in
second,
and
you
are
the
sponsor
for
this.
A
As
well,
that's
correct,
yeah.
Sorry,
I
should
have
clarified
that
I
am
sponsoring
this
amendment.
A
I
Thank
you
again,
steve
unger,
outside
annexation,
council
for
the
city,
this
ordinance
again.
I
This
amendment
to
ordinance
17-09
again
adds
an
impoundment
fund
and
an
advisory
board
for
area
1a.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
will
now
move
the
council
for
questions
council.
Remember
yes,
just
briefly
could.
C
I
I
A
Star
nine
to
reach
that,
and
if
none
of
those
work
for
you,
then
please
send
our
meeting
host.
A
A
note
through
chat
indicating
you'd
like
to
publicly
speak.
Mr
lucas,
do
you
have
anyone.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
will
now
move
back
to
council
for
any
final
comments
on
amendment
2
417-409.
S
B
A
K
Related
to
tonight's
discussion,
the
council
currently
has
a
regular
session
scheduled.
K
For
september
15th,
which
is
the
date
that
has
been
selected
for
you
all
to
vote
on
the.
K
That
forward
from
2017,
so
those
changes
will
be
included.
Any
changes
to
the
maps
that.
A
Council
member
flaherty
I'd
be
happy
to
make
that
motion.
I
moved
at
the
council's
september.
E
A
K
Remind
everyone
there
there's
a
regular
council
meeting
tomorrow
evening
at
6
30
on
zoom.