City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 8 Jan 2020

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Seeing that we have a quorum.

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Please stand by for okay, it works welcome everyone. This is the bloomington.

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Common council organizational meeting committee of the whole meeting for.

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Wednesday january 8th 2020 will the clerk please call the roll.

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Councilmember flaherty smith, here piedmon smith, yeah, it's campbell, laurie.

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Here rallo here voland here, tsimmes.

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Here, rosenberger here and burg here, thank you.

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Thank you. Here's our agenda summation this evening. If you'd like an agenda, you.

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May find them beside the clerk. We have no approval of minutes this evening. We.

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Will go to reports from council members first and then we will have reports from.

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The mayor and city offices, council committees and then we'll turn it over.

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To the public, if you would like to speak on items not on our agenda, you're.

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Welcome to at that time we will then go to election of officers for the year.

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2020 we will go to appointments to boards and commissions and then we have.

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Three items for second reading and resolutions this evening.

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Those are resolution 2002 to approve approved the interlocal agreement.

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Between monroe county, the town of elet's, ville and the city of bloomington for.

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The animal shelter operation for the year 2020 and it hasn't received a.

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Committee recommendation item two is resolution: 20-0 three to approve the.

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Inter local cooperation agreement between the city of bloomington monroe.

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County indiana regarding the building code authority. It likewise has received.

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No committee recommendation item three is resolution 2001 and that is to.

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Establish standing committees and abolish other certain committees of the common council, and that is sponsored by.

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Councilmember valen and it hasn't received a committee recommendation.

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After legislation for second reading and resolutions, we will then go to.

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Legislation for first reading, we have two items.

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The first is ordinance 2001 to amend the city of bloomington zoning maps by.

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Rezoning, a 3.2 acre property from commercial, limited cl2, a planned unit.

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Development pud and approve a district ordinance and preliminary plan regarding.

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105 south pete ellis drive curry urban properties. Petitioner, we anticipate a.

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Motion to refer that to the land use committee and then the second item is.

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Ordinance 2002, which is final, approval to issue economic development notes and.

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Lend the proceeds for the renovation of affordable housing regarding walnut.

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Woods, 818 east miller, drive and revin reverend butler apartments, 1202 west.

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11Th street bloomington, our ad 1 lp petitioner, then we've reserved time for.

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Additional public comment: 25 minutes is set aside for items. None on our agenda.

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Will visit council schedule before we adjourn and then we will immediately.

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Reconvene for a committee of the whole regarding ordinance 20 of 0, so with.

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That we will go to reports when council members and I will begin on my left with.

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Councilmember sandberg: we have a lot on our plate this evening. So no report, no.

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Report councilmember sims no report.

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Councilmember boland happy 2020 welcome to the new decade. Good luck to us all!.

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Thank you, councilmember flirty. Do you have a report this evening.

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Councilmember samantha report: I have no reverb council member at piedmont, smith.

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Do you have a report yeah I'll, just make a few comments? It'll be a big year for.

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The nation in the world and for us locally as well, and I want to welcome my.

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New council colleagues and thank them for stepping up to leadership in such.

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Difficult times, I would like to just briefly mention the well. No, I won't. I.

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I look forward to working with the mayor in his administration on several issues.

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In the coming months, including the convention center and the new tax that.

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He has proposed for climate action a lot of details there to be considered and.

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Also, the fate of the 4th street parking garage, which we know is not going as.

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Smoothly as the administration had hoped, and so there are some decisions to be.

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Made there so I look forward to working collaboratively with mayor hamilton and.

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The administration on those issues- and I have said this before and so I want to.

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Say it again as we're starting a new year that I think all individuals in.

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Elected leadership and all bodies that are to serve the public must first and.

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Foremost, take into consideration the climate emergency that we are in and.

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Base all of our decision-making on the fact that we are in uncharted waters as.

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Far as climate change and we need to make drastic changes in the way that we.

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Live in the way that we govern on all levels, including here locally, so that.

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Will be guiding my decisions this year this year and into the future. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comment. Council member skin valerie. Do you have a.

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Comment I want to express my thanks to those who.

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Participated in my first constituent meeting this past saturday, we had a rather robust discussion on public transit, the.

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Proposed income tax- that's coming before us and environmental issues, so thank you.

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To those who attended, I also wanted to let folks know that my next constituent.

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Meeting it they will be on first saturdays, so february, 1st 1:30 in the.

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Mccloskey room, which is just down the hall, and I let press know about that as.

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Well, so you might see it in several places. Thank you. Thank you for your.

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Comment, I have a brief comment and I'll follow up on.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith, which I think we have a unique opportunity in.

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The coming year, the coming decade to address climate change.

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I'm very enthused about the mayor's commitment to provide necessary.

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Resources and it will, of course, be a collective effort to do that. But given.

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Our current situation, having looked at the united nations environmental.

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Programme report it came out in late november. You know the likelihood of.

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Stabilizing carbon emissions, reducing carbon emissions such that we can not.

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Exceed 1.5 degree c by the end of the century is growing remotely dim and we.

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Need to take action, every community needs to take action. They reckon that we.

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Need to essentially have the the emissions that we currently produce by.

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About half by over the next decade, in order to keep emissions such that we.

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Don't exceed 1.5 degrees c at the current trajectory according to the, if.

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We were to follow even the paris accord. It would mean a 3.2 increase, which is.

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Catastrophic for us by the end of the century, so I I support mayor hamilton's.

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Effort, I will be supportive of it. I I recognize.

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City government produces only about ten percent of our emissions, so it's going.

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To take a collaborative effort with indiana university, with residents of the.

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Community with the business community, local nonprofits and residents, and so.

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Forth- and we also need to be aware of the scale- mindful of course, that we.

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Bloomington has a population of about eighty to ninety thousand people and we.

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Add two and a half times that every year every day to the planets population so.

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Our effort will be modest but in terms of the entire effect, but we have a moral.

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Imperative to do so so with that, I will conclude: councilmember comments will go.

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To mayor and city offices, if the mayor and city offices have any reports, okay,.

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Seeing none we'll go to council committee reports. Are there any seeing.

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None we will go to the public. The public would like to comment. Please step.

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Forward state, your name and be sure to sign in for the clerk's benefit good.

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Evening, members of the council, my name is david keppel and I'm here tonight as.

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Spokesperson for bloomington peace action coalition with colleagues, I have.

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Had the privilege and joy of witnessing many council meetings over the years and.

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In the past months, and I would like to thank all of you for the important work.

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You do whether this hall is full or it's empty. Whether the issue is controversial,.

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Or non-controversial, but simply important, you work with care and I thank.

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You for the important work that you do one function of the council, not the only.

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One, but a very important one is to serve as a forum for democracy in a period.

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When our federal offices have been captured by big money and by jerry.

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You provide an outlet for real democracy.

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So all issues that do not get adequately resolved at the federal level can be.

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Reconfigured by the work that you do tonight, as you know, in the past week the.

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United states has come very close to a disastrous war with iran. This council, in.

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2003 had the courage to pass a resolution opposing what turned out to.

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Be the disastrous invasion of iraq today, perhaps tensions were somewhat reduced.

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In the immediate sphere, with iran, but one thing that has already happened as a.

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Result of the current president's assassination of major-general qasem.

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Soleimani is that iran has resumed its nuclear program we face in coming years.

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A choice: a choice between nuclear anarchy and proliferation and almost.

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Surely at some point a disastrous nuclear war that on the one hand or.

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Really taking seriously the united states's commitment under the.

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Non-Proliferation treaty in article 6 to work toward nuclear disarmament. It has.

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To be done carefully, it has to be done methodically. It has to be done in.

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Negotiations with other countries, it has to be highly verified. There's been a.

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Great deal of work on this and it can be done in a prudent way, so we hope that.

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This council will take up such a resolution, making bloomington one of the.

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Growing number of cities in the united states and around the world declaring.

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Itself in alignment with the treaty on the prohibition of nuclear weapons, which.

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Was passed in the united nations in 2000 17? We look forward to working with you.

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We thank you for all that you do and we hope that you will see the value and.

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Importance of making this part of your early agenda, I have copies of the.

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Resolution that I will leave with the city clerk. Thank you. Mr. capel, I'm tommy.

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Ellison and a member of the women's international league for peace and.

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Freedom and it's a hundred-year-old organization, still fighting for peace.

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And this we've support this resolution and I hope that you will too thank you.

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Thank you, mary alice.

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Hi I'm greg alexander first stuff seems to be a mayor report. That's missing! They.

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I'm sure some of you all read the bsquare beacon the the mayor decided.

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Unilaterally, to remove the ground floor, real commercial on-die parking garage on.

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4Th street, without notifying you guys, but he notified the court anyways.

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That's not what I came to talk about I spent last year. I was here most meetings.

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I delivered the same sermon. It went like this most people that live in most locations in this city in order to walk to.

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Anywhere, they actually need to walk to they're gonna meet a sidewalk. That's.

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Just straight missing, they're gonna meet a sidewalk that is so chronically under.

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Maintained that is covered in weeds, it's covered in trash, it's covered in any.

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Number of things- construction debris, the amidah sidewalk, that's been chronically.

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Closed for years for construction- and this gives people there's no sidewalks.

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People are walking in the street, you know, and so I'm kind of I'm gonna.

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Presume to tell you your agenda, hopefully for this year, if not this year,.

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I would I would pray at least this. This term of the council is because sidewalks.

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Aren't very sexy, you know, sidewalks are not gonna on their own they're, not going.

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To move the you know the demo chair, it's not going to change just because you.

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Built sidewalks, but if we don't have sidewalks, we don't have any.

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Thing and we simply don't have sidewalks anybody that is going to leave their car.

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Behind is going to go from a two car family to a one-car family is gonna use.

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Sidewalks every last one of them is gonna use sidewalks, and they are all.

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Gonna have a miserable experience, so what you guys need to do is first off.

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Sidewalks have to be maintained, sidewalks have to be maintained and.

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Second, off sidewalks have to be built. The sidewalk commission is doing a good.

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Job with the absolute pittance that they're given, but most of the work that they do, some of you sit on that. You know this most of the work that they do is.

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They find excuses not to build sidewalks that has to end. You have to fund the.

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Sidewalk committee, we spent 30 million dollars on parking garages last year. We.

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Can spend 30 million dollars on sidewalks this year if we do not spend.

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30 million dollars on sidewalks. The mayor already has a plan to spend all the tif fund this year again on parking garages again more parking garages, but.

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We can spend that money on sidewalks, but you will have to be aggressive and.

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There's a third thing you have to do, and this is going to be in some ways the.

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Easiest thing, because you don't actually have to do anything, it doesn't have to.

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Go in the budget, it can be in resolutions, it can be in questions, but you need to convince staff that you're serious about transportation about.

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Sidewalks in particular, because staff doesn't believe that staff staff has.

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I've interacted with a lot of staff. I've met a lot of different opinions, but.

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Staff, if they do want to do something for sidewalks, they feel like it's not.

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Gonna be funded, they're not gonna, be supported. If there's a backlash from.

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Drivers, for example, if they take away a parking spot and a lot of staff, feels.

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Like it's their job to move cars, it's been their job to move cars for 40 years.

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For 40 years we haven't built sidewalks from about 1970 to 1990 we'd, almost.

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Didn't build a single sidewalk, even as we built most the city that we live in.

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And that needs to change so when staff comes and doesn't mention sidewalks for.

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A development project: you need to ask them about that when staff comes and.

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Says there are sidewalks in this area and there aren't I'm not saying people.

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Need to be fired, but but somebody needs to feel like they screw it up like.

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That's not what their job actually is and when staff sees like a construction.

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Site that I was at a construction site, it was.

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Blocked it wasn't supposed to be blocked, there was supposed to be. It was one of.

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Those one time in 100, where they had said you guys, have to have a diversion, a.

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Detour for pedestrians and instead of having a detour, they parked a crane in.

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The detour and the guy at city, the staff member, that it was his job to make sure.

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That didn't happen. He said, what can I do? All I can do is. Is I can issue a stop.

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Work order if he issued a stop work order, they wouldn't put the crane in the.

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Sidewalk you know, but he doesn't feel like that's his job. He feels like if he.

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Does that the developer will complain to the mayor, the developer will complain to you guys. You guys need to make him feel the other way around. So you know that's.

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Gonna be a petty operation. You're gonna make bogus resolutions if you're going.

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To achieve this, that don't do anything except call out a certain project like.

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The 4th street garage, we should not close the sidewalks at the bus station.

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For an entire year to rebuild the 4th street garage, you should just go ahead.

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And pass that as a really resolution, you can do it tonight. You can do that next week and do that the week after it's resolution, you can just do it. Thank you.

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Comment is there further public comment.

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Seeing these been ramsden and I'm actually gonna read a statement, so I.

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Don't forget anything, that's only my second time here, so I might get a little.

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Nervous, first of all, I want to say hello to the city council members and thank.

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You for miss piedmont, smith and mr. flaherty, for coming out to my house on.

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Saturday and walk it through the neighborhood on the south side to talk.

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With me and the people in the area about crawford apartments, of course, I believe.

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They may have learned a lot. The main thing I believe they learned is that not.

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One person they met disagreed with me, not one. I believe they learned that the.

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People there that disagree vehemently with the mayor hamilton and when asked.

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About a politician pitching this is a great for the city of bloomington in.

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Order to get more funding as a lie and a con when they were there, they agreed.

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That the reason this is not a hyde park or iu is because the people that lived.

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There would have put up way more of a fight, they saw needles and needle caps.

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Everywhere and even had people heard what we were talking about excited.

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That someone was actually caring because they can't let their kids outside and.

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Had picked up thirty two needles themselves recently, just so she could walk her dog. They agreed that no one would want this in their area. No one.

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Does so my question is, is when is the board going to stand up to a mayor who.

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Is doing what he wants instead of what anyone should be able to see, as the will.

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Of the people he serves four thousand votes of people who most likely were.

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Begged to vote doesn't give you the right to go against the people's will.

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Does it. I personally don't believe the mayor is unintelligent, so he has to know.

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That people hate this and will hate it wherever it's built. He is not.

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Unintelligent, I'm sorry, then I can only conclude not unintelligent and I can.

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Only conclude that he is not being sincere when saying how great this is.

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For the city, he even has a person quoted on his webpage about how much crawford.

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Has helped him that person works at the shalom center who got all this started.

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Seems a little shady to me. The mayor also told me, after the last meeting that.

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He would talk to me if I wanted, but doesn't answer messages or call. I don't.

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Blame him I wouldn't want to talk to me either. If I was him, I would like some kind of response to this this evening. I asked.

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Miss piedmont, smith and mr. flower t and I'm now asking the board the same thing.

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Since every person you talked to said that this is ruining the area and they.

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Would absolutely not want these built anywhere? When are you going to put.

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Politics aside and stand up to our mayor going against the people of this city.

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And their wishes, I hope you actually represent the people and not just what.

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You think is right. When I told my father I may run for council. He asked me a.

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Question what would I do if I was on the council when people wanted things done.

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That I didn't agree with, I had to think long and hard, because I have strong.

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Feelings on some issues I told him I would have to do what the people wanted.

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Because that's my job, whether I agreed or not, I couldn't, if I couldn't do that.

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I would have to resign my position, I'm going to repeat that not one person down.

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There agrees with the mayor that we talked to and I talked to people all the.

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Time, they're way more than we did the other day when people were informed that.

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His sales pitch is attached to so much money. They started to see clearly what.

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Is happening, it's a sales pitch by someone pushing their own cause against.

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The people and feeding a load of garbage to us to get it done. I personally won't.

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Stand for it if there is anything I can do about it, I'm just getting started and.

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Will not go away. I've looked up crime stats for our city.

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According to city rating comm, bloomington crime rates are expected to.

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Be higher in 2020 than they were in in 2016, the violent crime rate is 12.

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Percent higher than the national average, the property crime rate is 30 percent.

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Higher than the national average, the property crime rate has risen, seven.

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Percent under his tenure and was already 23 percent higher than the national.

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Average, this is not a great success like he pitches in the newspaper honestly.

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Though, all of that is not as relevant as the will of the people, so I asked the.

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Council members who came to educate, who came to my home and our neighborhood to.

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Educate the rest of the council on what percentage of the people you met agreed.

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With the mayor and what percentage agreed with me, the answer is a route.

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Every person was with me and zero for the mayor. Krogan kroger isn't open 24.

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Hours anymore, because of this, the dollar store manager won't move here when she.

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Lives 40 minutes away and said it is absolutely terrible compared to.

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Mooresville, where she was the manager before the village man, the village.

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Pantry manager can't get store improvements because of loss of goods.

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And paying customers don't want to go in there just last night they had somebody.

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Jumping on everybody's car hoods at the village, pantry and five cop cars out.

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There just last night, the mcdonald's manager has needles in the restroom and.

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Calls police regularly and they say they can't do anything wheelz otto has shalom.

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Residents throwing feces on his cars for sale because he asked them not to bother.

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His customers and stay away from his lot so I'll finish with this. Are you the.

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Board going to do what is right for the people and stand up for the people against the mayor spending all this money to do to do the opposite of what.

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The people of the people's will of what the people want, if not my belief and the.

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Belief of the people is that you should step down now and let someone else step.

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Up, if not, I guess we will have to step up in four years soon, I'm going to start.

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Knocking doors all around making social media pages, organizing protests and walk.

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Down the middle of the street with signs like I saw the other day, I don't have. I.

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Don't like having to be the person to lead the charge, but a real leader is needed to stop this. If you can't step up for us, then as the board, I respectfully.

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Ask you to step down. I will say that mr. flaherty and mrs. piedmont smith were.

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Very respectful mr. fleury, mr. flaherty, I did investigate your housing first.

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Model, I have some issues with it. One major one as it says nothing in a.

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Person's history or president should stop them from being able to use that service. That's not good at all and good luck, selling that to anyone who actually.

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Studies it I heard, I'm afraid, were you nearly nearly done. I'm nearly done yes,.

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It says we should house them whether or not they follow the rules or not whether.

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They participate in treatment or not or whether they have a criminal record or.

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Not you talked to the people who live in the area. They wouldn't go for that at all. Every person you talk to who are on the front lines this 24 hours a day, told.

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You these people could go to work and are playing the system. Do you work for us or the mayor? Does the mayor work for the people or his own agenda being a.

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Public servant is not easy. You aren't here to do what you think is right.

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But what the people want now that you know you should act immediately to step.

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Or step down, please don't ruin our city and tonight the people would like a.

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Response here is where and there's only one more paragraph here here, where it's.

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Here, where it's for everyone to see, if it's so great proudly answer these.

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Questions and mr. mayor, I welcome you to walk the neighborhood with me, like the.

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Council representatives did it won't be a good time for you, but I think it's.

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Time you come meet the people who live in the areas you're ruining. Thank you.

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All make time for it. If you will, because I care much about.

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This city, do you? Thank you. Thank you for your comment. It's a further public.

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Comment: you'll have another opportunity later in the meeting. If you choose will.

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Now go to election of officers with someone like to make a motion the year.

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2020, the officers of the council be as follows. For president.

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Councilmember stephen bolin, for vice president.

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Councilmember jim sims for parliamentarian council member, isabel.

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Piedmont: smith.

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I second it very good unless roll call voters desired, will.

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Will proceed with a voice vote all in favor, say aye aye aye.

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Any opposed, congratulations to councilmembers, fallin, sims and piedmont.

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Smith, so now we'll take a brief recess, while we occupy new seats. Thank you.

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Say a few words about the prior leadership. Particular our former.

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President he's done a great job in a very very difficult year, where lots of.

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Difficult things happened: there were too much items too many items on the agenda.

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And I just want to say on behalf of the council, how grateful we are for his.

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Service, so I'd like to present this, this major award to council for de varela for.

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His presidency last year, thank you.

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I suspect I know what this is. Oh, it is probably shaped like a gavel. It's again.

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Which I can use at home- I just want to say it's been an honor serving this body.

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And I want to thank all council members past and present for getting through a.

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Very difficult year very challenging year, but we did and I think the work was.

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Superb, so thank you for them. You're welcome. Thank you for your service.

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Also, I would like to say welcome to our four new council members. I go from my.

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Left councilmember ron smith, councilmember, matt flaherty.

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Council, member kait, rosenberger and council bruce campbell lurie.

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I welcome them all to job that mr. capel described as fun. I'm not sure anybody.

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Here thinks that highly of a presence on the council- but certainly we have our.

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Light moments, but we appreciate the year mr. couples, you know exhortation to.

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Persevere in the face of difficult times ahead with that, we will no now go to.

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Well, first, I would just want to announce seats, an order from my left councillor.

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Sandberg smith, clarity, piedmont, smith, myself come from ber sims, rosenberger.

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Scambler and rallo, these are the the seating arrangements.

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That we have agreed to and now we will go to lost my agenda here. We are two.

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Appointments to the council, appointments to boards and commissions to the.

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Citizens, advisory committee, community development block grants, cdbg social.

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Services, that's councillor smith, to the physical improvements part of the cdbg.

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Council for rosenberger to the commission for bloomington downtown.

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Council bruce campbell lurie to the city economic development, commission.

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Councilmember rosenberger to the county economic development, commission.

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Councilmembers to the environmental resource advisory.

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Committee counsel, bruce campbell lurie to the metropolitan planning.

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Organization, councilmember flaherty to the plan commission councilman for.

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Sandburg to the solid waste management district, councillor, piedmont, smith, to.

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The board of the urban enterprise association, councilman rosenberger, to.

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The ex-officio seat on the utility service board councilmember sins to the.

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Bloomington economic development, corporation councilmember simms to the.

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Bloomington commission on sustainability, councilmember rollo to the parking.

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Commission, yours truly to the public safety, local income tax allocation.

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Committee, councilmembers, piedmont, smith, scam, valerie, simms and smith, and to the.

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Monroe county food and beverage tax advisory, commission, councilmember, voland.

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Yours truly so those are assignments to the two boards and commissions and then.

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There are yes, we need to make a motion and vote on those. Sorry about that.

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Other is there a motion to accept these appointments so moved. Second motion: a.

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Second, we'll do voice vote all in favor, say aye opposed, say, nay, the guys have it.

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And those appointments are accepted will now go to appointments to council.

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Committees and I'm missing my list here to the jack hopkins social service fund.

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Committee councilmembers sandburg smith, flirty and scambler ii. We have a fifth.

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Seat but counsel people on smith does not want to continue so we will leave it.

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It's it's. We can always point it later, we'll leave it open for now to the.

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Sidewalk committee council members, rallo simms, rosenberger and smith, and to the.

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Land use committee, council, members of olin, piedmont, smith, flaherty and.

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Rosenberger, do we again do we need to vote for that? Those are assignments of.

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The president, oh my god, you're announcing them at this point right so.

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Those are the committee assignments for now.

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Are there any questions, yes, councilman burger, our madam clerk.

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Would you mind repeating your assignments for the land use committee.

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Please the land use committee, counselor, voland, piedmont, smith, clarity and.

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Rosenberger, okay, with that we will customer burello. Yes, I would just like.

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To ask if one of the council members might consider an addition or a.

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Substitution for councilmember sandburg, because customer sandburg serves on the.

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Planning, commission, it might be advantageous for councilmember sandburg.

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To also serve on the land use committee.

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Not to serve on the committee, I met customer sandberg. My preference is not.

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To because again, when you are serving on the plan, commission you're doing a lot.

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Of work on that body- and I think it's duplicate of to do it again on the land.

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Use and then it comes to council. That being said, I certainly would serve if.

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Others on the council felt that that was a necessary balance to the land use.

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Committee, I would suggest that, in the same way that council members can change.

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Seats in writing if they, if two members agree to switch. So if there are two.

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Members who would like to switch committee assignments or if you know, if.

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Two members want to agree to switch. We can take care of it at that point, for.

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The time being I'd leave it this way. Councillor sandberg. I will say that the.

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Requirements on the planning commission is a heavy lift and adding additional.

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You know, committee assignments is not something that I'm eager to take on, so I.

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Appreciate council member rallo for making that suggestion. Okay, we can.

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Discuss this at a later time, so thank you for that. Discussion and switches can.

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Be made at any time with agreement of council members with that, it's time for.

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Us to move to legislation for second reading and resolutions.

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Mr. president, I move that resolution 2002 be read by title and synopsis only.

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Be introduced and read by title and synopsis only the motion to introduce.

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And read resolution 2002 has been made all in favor yeah, all in favor, say aye all opposed, say, nay,.

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Will the clerk please read move on to second reading? Did you what, before we.

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Move on to second reading, did you want to do the interview committees as well?

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Oh, I did those. Yes, the interview committees. These are appointments. I make.

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So that's simply going to, for the time being, they will be of replacing the.

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Member will be replacing whoever served on that committee previously. So let me.

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Find committee a will: be council, member sims smith in rosenberger council member.

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Or committee b will be council members, flaherty scambler, ian boland and.

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Councilmember c or committee c will be piedmont: smith, rallo and sandburg. Sorry.

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About that we have a motion on the table to introduce and read resolution 2002.

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It's been motions been approved. Will the clerk please read resolution 2002 to.

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Approve the interlocal agreement between monroe county, the town of elet's, ville.

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And the city of bloomington for animal shelter operation for the year 2020, the.

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Synopsis is as follows. This resolution authorizes execution by the mayor and.

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Director of animal care and control of the animal shelter, interlocal agreement.

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For fiscal year, 2020 between the city of bloomington, monroe, county and town of.

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Elet's ville the agreement provides that the monroe county shall pay the city of.

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Bloomington the sum of three hundred thirty thousand eight hundred seventy.

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Eight dollars, forty one cents for 2020 in return for the space, the city.

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Provides to the county and services it renders on the county's behalf.

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The agreement further provides that the town of ellis ville shall provide the.

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City of bloomington, the sum of 19,000 270 dollars and 22 cents for 2020 in.

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Return for the space the city provides the town of elseville and services. It.

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Renders to the on the town of elux hills behalf in total, the city will receive.

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$350,000 141 350 $148 at 63 cents from this county and town. You do not have a.

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Committee recommendation, I move that resolution 20 o to be adopted. I, who is.

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Here to present on this resolution he's come up. This is our first piece of.

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Legislation for the year 2020, congratulations on the honor of getting.

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To present first, you must be very excited. I am so excited.

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Virgil solder, director of animal care and control for the city of bloomington.

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So this agreement before you is for the animal shelter to provide housing and.

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Care for the animals coming from the town of elseville, as well as monroe.

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County, the figure before you that was accepted on is based on 2018 actual.

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Expenditures towards the shelter portion of our budget. That number is reduced by.

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The 2018 adoption revenue taken in and then the percentage of animals that come.

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From those sources is applied to that figure to come up with what we have.

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Before you, I will note that last year's interlocal was slightly different than.

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This year's last year, the percentage from monroe county and ellis ville.

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Sources was 49 percent, which is one of the highest percentages has been in the.

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Last decade, in 2017 that figure dropped down to forty low or 44 percent. There.

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Are any questions I'd be happy to take those at this time to ask I'll state.

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Your name and position I yeah I'd, be happy to again that's.

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Going out to questions from council members council, member rallo, mr. senator.

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I had a question about policies that was adopted several years ago. It was before.

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You took over his director, and that was fees that would be required for.

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Submitting animals from outside the county and could you could you talk.

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About that a little bit, in other words, are the fees adequate to cover that.

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Expense- and has there been an increased eddie number that comes in or is that it.

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Has that reduced the number of animals submitted to our shelter it? It hasn't.

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Made a change that first occurred back in 2013 that year it did drop from 15%.

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Down to 11%, we have, since climbed back up last year, we're actually low about.

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12% our intake coming from out of county any animal coming outside monroe is.

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Charged currently, it's $20 for every adult animal 25. If it's a litter of.

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Under five so like little kittens number five or less, it's only $25 for that.

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Litter kittens those have been adequate, we are looking at costs, are increasing.

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So we are looking at increasing those numbers in the near future. Nice thank.

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You further questions. Mr. senator.

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Seeing not oh counselor, piedmont, smith yeah, I kind of hate to ask this and it's.

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Only marginally relevant, but I am interested to know what the euthanasia.

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Rate is this year compared with last, um we are pretty much, I'm still fine-tuning.

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The statistics for 2019, but we're pretty much on par with what we were last year.

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Which is around 6%? I will point out that I just received today some really old.

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Stats back in 2003, our euthanasia rate was 61%, so we have made some outstanding.

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Improvements there so yeah it's 6% is is good. That means our our save rate or all.

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Animals that are remaining live is at 94%, very good. Thank you.

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Seeing none we'll go to the public or comment on resolution 2002. Is there any.

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Public comment: seeing none we'll come back to the council for debate. Is there.

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Any comment from member I'll also entertain a motion call the.

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Question second, we have a motion and a second.

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Will the clerk please call the roll.

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Councilman varela? Yes, yes, simms, yes, boland! Yes,.

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Biman smith: yes, clarity, yes, smith! Yes and sanford. Yes, you skip the councilors.

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Okay: okay, that motion passes nine zero and somehow we've passed our first.

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Resolution of the year, let's go now to the next item on the agenda.

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Mr. president, I moved that resolution 2003 be introduced in read by the clerk.

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By title and synopsis, only resolution 2003 to approve of the inter local.

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Cooperation agreement between the city of bloomington and monroe county indiana.

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Regarding the building code authority, the synopsis is as follows: the attached.

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Inter local cooperation agreement exhibit a extends through january 1st.

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2021, the long-term arrangement between the city of bloomington and monroe.

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County to combine and coordinate the provision of certain building code.

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Services, this, inter local cooperation, is authorized by indiana code, section 36.

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171 there's no committee recommendation.

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Move that resolution 2003 be adopted, who is here sorry cooperation, council.

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Philippa gunn is here to present hello, miss guthrie. Thank you good evening.

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Philippa guthrie corporation counsel, you've seen this every year it's been in.

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Place since 1996, with a few variations over the years, it originally was a.

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Five-Year agreement but we've been making it a one-year agreement over the.

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Last few years, so this is an interlocal agreement whereby the county manages all.

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Issues all of the building permits, even for the city, they keep the fees for the.

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Building permits and they transmit to us fees for a zoning. It's a zoning fee and.

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That is the only exchange of money it will be for one year through next.

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January 2021 january 1st, and it will be re-evaluated then again, if you have any.

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Questions I'm happy to answer them. Thank you. Are there questions on resolution.

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2003 from council members, I have one its january 8th if this agreement expires.

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January 1st, then I assume that last year's expire january 1st, what are we.

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Doing right now, you're asking I forgot that we're asking for it to be.

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Retroactive to the second, we'll have the same problem next year. Can we make it.

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Retroactive expire on the first meeting of the.

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Council, yes, well, that was part of the problem was your schedule. Last year was.

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So packed with the you do so we we just decided to push it off because it was it.

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Wasn't going to fit onto the calendar at the very end, it's something that you'll.

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Do in december, yes, yes, it was compounded by the fact that our planning attorney.

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Had left and the planning staff was doing the you do so there were. There was.

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Kind of a confluence of events this past fall. The only other question I'll ask is.

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How is the relationship going? I take it that we're satisfied with the way the.

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He's handling building permits, it works pretty seamlessly with the planning.

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Staff and the building permit staff. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions.

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Seeing none we'll go to the public for comment on resolution 2003. Is there any.

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Public comment: seeing none we'll come back to the council for debate. Is there.

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A member who has a comment on resolution 2003. Second, we have a motion in a second.

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With a clerk, please call the roll see if I can do it right this time.

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Council members can be laurie, yes, rosenberger, yes, sims, yes,.

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Piedmont: smith. Yes,.

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Flirty, yes, smith, yes, sandburg! Yes,.

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Rallo, yes,.

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Rollin, yes, thank you. Thank you we'll go to the next.

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Item of the agenda. Mr. president, I move that resolution 2001 be introduced in.

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Red by the city, clerk by title and synopsis, only favor say aye aye. All.

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Opposed say, nay, will the clerk please call the roll I'm.

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Sorry will the clerk, please read: I'm sorry resolution 2001 to establish.

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Standing committees and abolish other certain committees of the common council.

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The synopsis is as follows: this resolution is sponsored by councilmember.

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Boland and proposes the creation of various council standing committees.

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Along with the dissolution of council interviewing committees, the council.

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Sponsors councilmember boland and there's no committee recommendation.

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Thank you. Resolution 2001 be adopted, okay, seeing as I'm the sponsor of this.

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I'm going to pass the gavel to vice president simms, so I can make a.

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Presentation, thank you. Thank you, mr. simms. I need a minute to set up here.

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I'm having trouble to submit it please.

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I shall watch here. We go.

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So this resolution proposes that we establish several more standing.

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Committees than we already have, we have the jack hopkins social service fund.

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Committee, we have the sidewalk committee and we have the ps lit allocation.

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Committee, these are examples of committees that do not expire and in.

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Regular parlance, they're called standing committees, I'm proposing that we create.

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Seven, more committees and really nothing more than that, and I cannot use my.

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Remote from this far away so I'm gonna have to go to the laptop to continue.

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My apology, so what are committees? That's often the source of confusion, the term.

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Is very similar to commission, but a committee is nothing more than a subset.

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Of the legislative body, a group of councillors are not all of them. Boards.

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And commissions are mostly citizen driven entities. There are times when, as.

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You heard tonight some members of council have an ex officio seat on a.

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Given board or commission, but boards and commissions are created either by.

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Statute or by action of the council to take up a particular issue through.

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Citizen action and input, but council committees are simply a way of breaking.

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Down the work of the legislature, a committee only makes a recommendation.

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There are only a couple of cities in the state of indiana, where a committee can.

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Kill legislation like congress allows by the vast majority of cities that use.

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Committees and they all use committees, the body is recommending only so if a.

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Subset of say for members studies an issue and comes up with conclusion.

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They're not technically making a decision except to make a recommendation.

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To the full council, which has final authority over anything considered by a.

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Committee, I see committees of standing committees as a substitute for the.

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Committee of the whole committee, the whole it's a complicated idea, but it.

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Basically means that all nine members of council technically act as a committee.

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Making a recommendation to ourselves at a regular session. I found that this is.

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Very confusing to the public, and it also has a number of other problems, that I'll.

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Talk about as I go through, the idea of committees. Committees are defined in.

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City code, they have been there at least since 1979 in chapter 2.0, for article 3.

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There are several sections that discuss how committees should work, so it's not.

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Like I'm, inventing something committees are a time-honored tradition of breaking.

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Down the work that a legislature faces committees.

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According to city code, make all hearings to investigate other areas within their.

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Jurisdiction technically, the council has the authority by statute to investigate.

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And oversee any aspect of the execution of city governance, in other words, of the.

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Executive, I don't mean here to emphasize the word investigate. It seems a little.

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Harsher than it is, but council does have the ability to dig into issues and the.

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Best mechanism to do that is by formally assigning a subset of members to take.

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Point on those issues: that's in city code, a committee shall meet on call if.

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It's chair or any two of its members. So if members of committee feel that.

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There's an issue that needs to be addressed: they have the ability to do so.

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Committees shall report a recommendation within two regular sessions. This is an.

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Important function of creating a standing committee right now as the.

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Committee of the whole works, we do something and we introduce legislation.

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And first reading an ordinance and then we automatically refer to the committee.

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Of the whole which meets the following wednesday, according to city code, the.

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Committee of the whole cannot extend itself so by the end of that meeting. The.

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Committee of the whole, the nine members in the so called committee have to make.

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Some kind of recommendation, and then the committee dissolves and at the.

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Recommendation goes back to the city council. The problem with this is that it.

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Creates decide already tone among the council there's less than seven days.

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After that committee has made a decision, the committee of the whole for anyone to.

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Amend the ordinance of so needed and the council has historically been reluctant.

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To go to a third reading, so under a standing committee system, the committee.

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Has if it's something is referred to a subset of council, a standing committee.

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That committee has until the second regular session, in other words, it.

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Effectively has a month instead of two weeks to send back a recommendation.

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Automatically giving it time to think of or to get more data when data is not.

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Forthcoming or to propose an amendment in a way, that's not rushed and where it.

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Can be considered and put in the packet notice that if the committee does not.

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Report back by the second regular session, the council takes it up as if.

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There was no recommendation made because effectively there wasn't one so like I.

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Said a committee cannot veto legislation or otherwise kill it? How would.

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Committees, work so again, committees make recommendations only they are not that no decision of the committee is binding. I'm going to be.

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Recommending that committees be made of four members, so that's visibly is that's.

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Obvious to people that a minority of council members may not decide on it.

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Some cities have five-member committees, some have three at second reading. After.

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The presentation of the ordinance before the full council, we would simply hear.

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The committee report, what are the committee learned about this piece of.

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Legislation, you know what opinion, what recommendation do they make to the full.

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Council and if not, everybody agreed with that report, whoever is in the minority.

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In the committee may also make a comment, so I made at that point so as you've.

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Just heard the president can make assignments to committees. The code calls.

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For at least three people per committee again, as we already have with most of.

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Our committees, I'm recommending four members, I'm proposing nine substantive.

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Committees, when all is said and done, we already have a couple, but if.

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Theoretically allows every member of the council to have four committee.

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Assignments and it allows every member to chair one if we, if we see fit, how do.

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We schedule committees according to city code, in order, if we're going to be using.

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Standing committees, instead of committee of the whole city code, requires that.

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First of all, to be referred to when, when legislation is first read, it must at.

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That point be referred to a committee. The committee would have to meet in such.

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A way that any other committees that would meet on what they would have to.

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Meet on a second or fourth wednesday, which of the nights traditionally.

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Reserved for committee of the whole so that every member of council can attend.

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Any given committee meeting they have to be scheduled, serially and those meetings.

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Cannot start before 5:30 and they cannot start after 9:45, but this gives us.

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Opportunity to have as many as three or four committee meetings in one night how.

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Long with the meetings last in order for serial meetings to work, they would have.

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To have start times and end times, and that means that the emphasis for the.

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Committee is not on long dissertations on the topic, but rather they're doing.

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Triage they're figuring out what issues are not really of a concern to the.

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Council, what issues are perhaps of a concern? That's beyond the scope of the.

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Committee and then they might try to resolve issues that can be solved in.

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Committee questions can be answered, issues addressed and perhaps even.

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Amendments proposed, but the key thing about the committee is that it gives.

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Them an automatic opportunity for a second hearing to discuss the issue.

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Which is again what I said about amendments being able to be made. They.

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Have this by right, that doesn't mean that they can't send back legislation.

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Early, they can do that and the same pace at the committee of the whole does where.

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After one hearing, they decide well nothing controversial about this, we'll.

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Send it back to to the council after this one meeting and the council gets it.

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Back at the same rate that they had under committee of the whole. But if they.

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Need the extra two weeks they have an opportunity. How long should a committee.

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Hearing be some can be as short as 50 minutes or half an hour. If something is.

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Not very controversial, but the maximal I would recommend is two hours we do have.

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An example of a standing committee- that's been up for a couple of years. The.

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Land use committee: we have not needed more than two hours in a given week.

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In order to address an issue, although in many cases we did have a second hearing.

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On a pud, this schedule is at least for the committee part of legislation, much.

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More predictable to the administration, to the petitioner to the public, you will.

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Know what time the committee is meeting you will note what time they're ending.

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The only way we can guarantee that every member of council can attend every.

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Committee hearing is by making sure there's only one at a time, and so that.

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Means we have to put a hard limit on it. That means time limits. If you look back.

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At every land-use committee meeting we succeeded in meeting those time limits.

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Over the past two years, when we advertised an amount of time, we finished.

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In that amount of time, it is possible to do it. What are the benefits of.

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Committees number one: it gives us greater control over our increasingly.

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Burdensome agenda, it gives us a one-month legislative cycle by default.

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Even though it allows us to send it back early, but it gives us more calendar time.

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To deliberate inform amendments, even though it limits the clock time of the.

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Meeting it does let members specialize in focus and topics that are important.

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Particularly to district representatives who have particular concerns, it relieves.

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The obligation for every council member to be present at every committee hearing.

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Week, but without preventing their ability to attend the any given.

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Committee, so people can who's liked. The committee the whole can still attend.

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Every meeting without much change in their their habit, but it does reduce the.

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Net amount of hours that council members spend in meetings because not everybody.

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Has to attend every committee week, members on a committee have better.

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Knowledge for evaluating nominations to boards and commissions. This would.

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Eliminate the need for separate nominating committees, the current method.

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Of our schedule is really only convenient for council members, it's not really convenient for anybody else. Petitioners staff and the public have.

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Had to wait on committee of the whole nights, 3 plus hours for their issue to.

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Come up because we're only one body, the committee of the whole and we have to.

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Plow through everything, we have to pick an order.

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Limited duration hearings would make our committee schedule more predictable, have.

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Already mentioned that and right now, as we saw from last year, we just have so.

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Much on our agenda, we actually had more on its being scheduled. We could handle.

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We had the 10:30 rule invoked very frequently: that's a rule in city code.

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That says that if we go past 10:30, there requires a supermajority vote to.

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Introduce a new piece of legislation, I take that limit seriously and I think I.

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Already said this committee members are more likely to be knowledgeable about people who they would nominate to boards and commissions. What precedents do we.

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Have there are 26 second class at first class cities in the state, the only two.

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Cities, I don't have data on a greenwood in jeffersonville, all the other 24.

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Cities has some kind of committee system where they send all their legislation to.

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Some committee none uses the committee of the whole exclusively as we have done.

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Again, our cycle is arbitrarily fast, no city has a two-week legislative cycle.

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From first reading to final passage, they typically take a month to make a.

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Decision, no matter how quickly they spend time and meeting doing it. The.

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Average city has about eight committees. Some cities have third readings like in.

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South bend some meet in regular session monthly, like lafayette, many cities.

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Meeting committee just minutes before the regular session, like in terre haute and legislative cycles, can overlap like in gary.

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The most common committees to be found among our peer cities, not a full 19 of.

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Them have a specific committee for budget or finance, I'm not proposing that.

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I'm proposing that we use committee of the whole four budgets as we have 16.

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Cities have a public safety committee. 15 have some kind of planning committee.

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They may have be a different name, but they cover this basic task. 14 have a.

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Public works committee, 10 have a parks and rec committee. There are other.

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Committees, like rules utilities, economic development, community and family.

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Resources, schools, transportation, some unique committees. Anderson has an.

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Aviation committee and a light committee indianapolis has a municipal.

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Corporation's committee, michigan city, has a humane activities committee and a.

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Waters and harbors committee- something we don't have much use for west.

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Lafayette has a purdue relations committee.

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Maybe we could use one of those locally against an in committee. Language has.

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Been in our codes for 40 years, we've had standing committee on committees for.

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Years and we have a vestigial item in our agenda under item for part 3s,.

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Reports from council committees, which we almost never use, this is for when a.

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Standing committee has studied an issue that is not the subject of legislation.

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Of power that it has, in addition to holding a piece of legislation for to.

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Legislative cycles- and this is the point where they would report so it's been on.

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Our agendas as long as I've been on council but we've almost never used it.

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It's there because of this aspect of code that I'm asking us to trigger so.

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Here's the slate I propose. We already have a jack hopkins social services fund.

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I propose that we keep it. If anything, we should strike the word fund and send.

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Other issues regarding social services, particularly emergency social services,.

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To that committee for consideration, if such legislation ever were to come.

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Forward but that exists already, and we also have a land use standing committee.

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That's been working for two years and it would be its leave, be the liaison for.

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Council to the planning and transportation departments planning.

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Division, I'm proposing seven more committees and an administration.

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Committee, that would be liaison to the clerk controller, human resources.

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Information technology services, the legal department and the public works.

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Divisions of facilities and fleet the community affairs committee would be a.

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Liaison to community and family resources and to the parks and rec.

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Department parks and rec is here because it appears to be a very low generator of.

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Legislation to the council, so it this was the place that it fit best. It's the.

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One incongruous department liaison in this slate, the housing committee, would.

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Be liaison to the hand department, the public safety committee would consider.

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Issues regarding fire, police and animal control, which we just heard tonight, that.

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Resolution, if it went to committee, would have gone to the public safety committee.

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A sustainability, climate action and resilience committee that would.

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Interface with the economic and sustainable development department, a transportation committee which would interface with bloomington.

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Transit, the transportation division of planning and transportation and the.

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Streets department of public works and finally, a utilities and sanitation.

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Committee, which would interview interface with the with the department and the division in question, note that again we still have what I will consider.

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Special committees that just handle the various particular tasks that have been.

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Sent to them, year after year, the sidewalk committee, which expands the.

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Money that we set aside for building new sidewalks and the public safety local.

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Income tax allocation committee, which is relatively new the past couple of years,.

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Which allocates that particular tax? So that's it. If there are any questions, I'm.

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Happy to answer them, I do understand that there's some concerns about.

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Committees and that we are that the several members are considering a.

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Postponement to the next regular session, I would support that.

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Because I recognize that, even though this is a resolution, it has a lot of.

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Ramifications for how we do business so with that, I'm going to return to my seat.

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And happy to take questions from people. Are there any good mister? Mr. simpson.

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Okay, thank you for that report. Do we have any questions for the.

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Presenter from the council of information- yes, sir.

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Councilman council president valen are already mentioned a motion to postpone.

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Action on the legislation, but I'm intend to make that motion until a later date.

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He mentioned a date since that motion will close debate. I would like to.

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Continue the discussion because I think that would be useful, but I'd like to.

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Hear if other dates of, if council members have other dates in mind and.

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Perhaps we can also inquire of our council attorney. What's on our schedule,.

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In anticipation of postponing for a week or perhaps more so, I'm just making that.

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Known if if people could specify a date, that would be helpful. Thank you. Thank.

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You, council members hand birth. I would.

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Certainly, second, the motion to postpone my major concern would be how much time.

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Do we need to vet all of this with the people that this will have a direct.

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Impact on and that's our administration and our staff and, to my satisfaction, I.

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Don't know that that has been done so for my purposes. I would need to make.

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Sure there was a very robust discussion that was held with the members of this.

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Executive branch, whose job it is to manage the majority, the functions that.

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Are listed up here, I find this to be perhaps duplicate, if, if we don't have.

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The express information as to what's this going to do for their schedules for.

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How they manage their time- which is you know, generally, they are the boots on the.

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Ground daytime staff who handle all of these issues from in the morning until the evening and then perhaps being called.

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Into evening sessions beyond, I think it's very important to get staff buy-in.

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From the administration- so I don't know if it weeks enough time for a.

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Postponement, I would suggest, I believe we are on questions regarding the actual.

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Resolution that is on the table about to make that point as a sponsor I'd like to.

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Ask is there a member of the administration here who would like to address the proposal, seeing none I'd like to point out that this is a.

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Privilege of the council to decide how it does business, how to organize itself.

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This is a proposal to reorganize the way we do business, and I note that the.

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Absence of an administration official shows a relative lack of concern.

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Nevertheless, I mean, even though this is a resolution, I'm happy to treat it like.

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An ordinance which is going at the same rate that an ordinance would with that.

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I'm taking more questions. Thank you. Thank you.

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Was that a continuation of the presentation?

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That's just a response, that's a response! Any further questions, councilmember.

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Sandberg is it my understanding that there is a meeting scheduled for friday.

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That staff has been invited to attend. If I may, there is a work session scheduled.

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For friday, this is on it. There was an administration member.

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Deputy mayor of an dyson president, at the leadership meeting where this was.

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Discussed on tuesday, this went out in the packet on friday. It is literally.

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Getting the exact same treatment that any other resolution or ordinance gets.

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It's scheduled at the same rate, so they could, they could have been here if they.

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Chose to they chose not to they may come next week. I would encourage them to. I.

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Would like to hear as well what they think of this, but I would urge them to.

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Consider that this ought to make their business easier as well as other.

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People's thank you, councilmember, piedmont, samantha. I had a question about.

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The standing committee for sustainability, climate action and.

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Resilience, it makes sense that it would be the liaison committee for the.

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Economic and sustainable development department. I am curious, though, why that.

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Committee would be an appropriate place for the arts, commissioner to be.

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Appointed from and to kind of, be overseen by that standing committee.

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Since I mean certainly, the arts can can be melded with climate action in certain.

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Circumstances but it's it's not to me it doesn't it's not the most logical place.

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For the arts, commission, if you could respond to that, I could not visible in.

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This presentation were how we would change the way we nominate members of.

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The public to boards and commissions as it is now we have three nominating.

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Committees, they are appointed randomly, they were assigned.

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Boards and commissions to decide council appointees to based on sort of a.

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Arbitrary schedule: commission a has 22 seats to name commission b as 26.

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It's the name. Commission si has 30 seats to name what I don't have up here and I.

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Can certainly provide that next week is a chart of how this would break down to.

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How the nine committees would subsume the role of nominating committees and.

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They the committees are assigned to them according to a logical attachment like.

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You know that and the question that come through people in smith asks is where.

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Should the arts commission go because the arts commission is part of the.

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Economic in sustainable development department- that's where it is by default.

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This is the first time that we are seriously considering a full slate of.

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Committees and so my decision to create these committees as arbitrary, I.

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Certainly welcome changes to it that makes sense to members, including.

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Subtracting or adding a committee I'm happy to see the bloomington arts.

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Commission moved to the community as the community affairs committee, but three of.

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These committees would have a comparable number of seats to name as the three.

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Nominating committees do now, community affairs would have the most at 27 seats.

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But I do want to point out that no committee has more than a current.

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Arbitrarily named nominating committee, has they all have 20-some seats to name.

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Only three of these committees would have a lot of seats community first.

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Would have 27 sustainability of 21 transportation would have 15. There are.

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15 other seats that the other six committees would split, so they have very.

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Few nominations so I'm okay with moving it to say community fairs, but that would.

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Add several more seats: community affairs will put them above 30 seats, something.

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To think about for people who would be a member of the community affairs.

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Committee, but I do welcome, I mean that there will be a there's, a list in the.

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Packet of what boards and commissions each committee would be responsible for.

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Nominating citizens to I are encourage people to look in the packet to see.

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Okay, I have a question when you say these committees will subsume the.

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Nominating committees does that eliminate the nominating committee.

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Subsuming their duties, it would obviate their need. We would eliminate those.

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Committees, council, member, although I could see legislation bridging some of.

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These committees, in other words, shared by committees. So my first question is.

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Who refers legislation to these committees? How does that process done.

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Before we changed the rules about four years ago, we automatically, I signed all.

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Legislation to committee of the whole, there was an automatic function of.

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Council, the code said the council shall assign legislation to committee of the.

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Whole and the code said, the council may sign legislation to a standing committee.

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We change code about four years ago to say that the council may refer to.

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Committee, the whole or may refer to standing committee, so we have the choice.

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And what we've seen in the past term is if a majority feel like legislation.

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Should be like, we had the land use committee in starting in 2017, and we.

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Made a point of making the motion to refer it to lanta to refer a piece of.

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Legislation to land use committee if there was a majority that wanted to hear.

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It in committee of the whole, a person can so move that, and so a five member.

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Vote of the council would have it hurt by committee of the whole that has not changed so as president, I would move by default to go to the appropriate.

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Committee for any piece of legislation, but if a member wanted to make a motion.

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That the code actually says we first have to move to a standing committee and.

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If that motion fails, then we have a motion to refer to.

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Many of the whole, so the opportunity is there, but first we have to try.

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Deciding what committee to assign it to? I think you had a second question. I did.

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But I'll defer to another council member well, my other question is really.

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Unrelated it has to do with sequence of the hearings and so saying a wednesday.

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Evening you have multiple pieces of legislation that go to separate standing.

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Committees- and so they are the times, are specifically circumscribed. I assume, by.

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Leadership and say that the debate extends further than that particular.

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Time slot allows and say in the case of land use or some other topic. That's very.

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Complicated one has staff one asks: consultants, you you have the petitioner.

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You have public, you have multiple people who are assembled to resolve a matter.

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And one has an arbitrary limit on time because now you're bumping up against.

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The next standing committee time slot, and so instead of resolving that topic.

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You end up having to postpone it, and so it really what what might occur is sort.

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Of a log jam of legislation, then how would you respond to that? Well, first of.

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All that happened there was a land use committee and a committee the whole in.

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The same night and the council decided to put the committee of the whole first.

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Comfort, wurster bomb was the chair of that committee of the whole and he was.

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Not attentive to the time of the committee of the whole and it ran into.

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The beginning time of the land use committee meeting and the landings committees where you often have consultants, expensive bond council and.

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Lawyers and architects presenting something- and I was unhappy with it, but.

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I had to live with it. I as a the chair of the land use committee. I was very.

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Conscious from the said of the meeting that I had to wind.

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Up at a certain time, so I put limits on everybody.

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I put limits on the presentation. I put limits on the question period.

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I put limits on the individuals opportunity to ask a question. I put.

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Limits on the public comment and the individual members ability to comment.

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And I put a four-minute max limit on the members of the committee and they were.

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All able to get their comments in within that four minutes. Every member of the.

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Committee recognized that we only have so much time and the meeting has to end.

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A certain time it is possible if the chair is determined at the beginning of.

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The meeting to end the meeting by the ending time and it's respectful to.

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Everyone, including the people who are gathered here for that issue, the members.

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Of the public, the the administration staff, if it's clear to everybody,.

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Assembled that the discussion won't be over. That's why the committee has the.

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Right to a second hearing, why it has, until the second regular session to set.

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To come back to talk about it, if everybody at the outset knows that we.

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Can't talk all night, then we won't talk all night, we'll postpone to the second.

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Meeting, I think it instills discipline and everyone, most importantly in.

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Councilmembers first council member roles and thank you for the thought.

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You've clearly put into this, we do have a workload that needs to be managed and.

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I appreciate the thought you've put into this, as I think about proposals like.

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This, I think, in terms of measures of success. If we adopt this and it's six.

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Months from now or twelve months from now and it's gone well, how would we know.

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What would that look like, and so the notion of measures of success is.

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Important to me, I'd be interested in having you comment on that and we've.

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Talked a little bit about staff and staff time, but I'm particularly interested to all of us have the goal of citizen engagement and providing.

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Opportunities for citizens to engage and offer comment and be more involved in.

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This process, could you speak to how this proposed slative committees would.

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Wouldn't make us better at that. Thank you. First of all, as with respect to time,.

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I think everyone will find it more sad to come to a meeting that they know has.

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An end time, I think you're gonna hear after a few months that members of the.

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Public who came here in the past and had to sit through hours and hours of.

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Discussion, let alone of discussion unrelated to the issue that they were.

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Here for have trouble predicting at what time they should come when their issue.

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Is up this eliminates that trouble? If there's a say community affairs.

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Committee meeting at 6:30 and the lanny's meeting at 8:00, you know when to.

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Come whether you remember the public member of the administration staff, the.

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Petitioner or frankly, the council member, I think councillors will be more.

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Satisfied that they don't have to attend to every issue in committee, because.

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They're, not a member of that committee and they don't have the obligation of being here for committee of the whole. I think you're going to see that if.

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Everyone is required to keep an eye on time. That meetings will be shorter and.

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Yet deliberation can still be held, it's just spread out over the calendar, so I.

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Don't know how to measure that kind of satisfaction except and people saying I.

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Love the new system, I'm hoping that you're gonna hear a lot of people saying.

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That you know the only objection that I can imagine having to the system from a.

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Time point of view, as a member who might say, are we really deliberating enough on.

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This issue, that is, for the council to decide a regular session. That's what.

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Regular session is for that's why minutes are kept at regular session, but.

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Minutes where we have knocked down drag-out debates at committee of the.

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Whole are not kept; we don't keep minutes for that purpose.

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And then at a regular session you hear council members saying well, we talked.

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About all that, the committee of the whole, so I'm not gonna, repeat myself, but.

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I mean there's no written record of it. They'll at least be some written record.

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Of it in the minute of the debate, if we have all nine members debating only in.

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Regular session, with respect to other measures of satisfaction, I think that.

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Knowing that that members of council being more familiar with the citizen.

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Commission's that they have to nominate to will be good. It will create a higher.

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Quality of nominee, it's kind of hard to measure. I.

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That having a liaison on council each department having a liaison in the form.

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Of a certain committee, certain members and the chair of that committee will.

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Provide the more satisfaction with somebody who knows what's going on with.

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That department, as opposed to the randomly chosen committee of the whole.

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Chair for that week, so these things are hard to measure.

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I would simply describe it as you will find greater satisfaction with, among all.

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Members of the public in the administration, with interactions with.

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The council- that's the best I can do. I think at the moment did I answer your.

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Second question: your second question did I answer well.

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There was a second part to your question I just in particular. How is it going to.

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Enhance citizen opportunities for citizen engagement, we've talked about.

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Our process but- and we certainly need to attend to that, but I was particularly.

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Interested in citizen engagement well, for example, with scheduling cereal.

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Committee meetings, if somebody knows when their top is going to be brought up.

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They don't have to be here all night, some of those small children who has a.

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Babysitter somebody who's got something else scheduled, and they can't be here if.

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They know the meetings at 9 o'clock, they can make plans for it, but right now we.

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Have committee the whole starting at 6:30, there might be three items on the agenda and like one of the last meetings of last year, there was a gentleman who.

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Was here from the administration, what was his name again? I keep forgetting he.

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Had to wait three and a half hours yeah for his issue to be brought up, it was a.

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Minor issue, but he had to sit through everything else. I think that the only.

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People who benefit from the committee of the whole are council members and even.

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We don't benefit because we have to sit through everything and we don't all need.

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To sit through every issue every committee week, so I think that that.

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Would be the the most tangible benefit to the public would be more predictable.

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Times from when we'll hear issues.

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Councilman. Bravo, thank you. So one benefit I see if the committee of the.

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Whole is that having the collective wisdom of nine participants, nine council.

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Members brings forward ideas and questions and debate that you know one.

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Individual, you know, may not, it may not evolve from and the other aspect of it.

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Is that these kinds of debate often lead to questions of of material substance?.

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Like data, so there's been inquiries about data that come from that.

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Collective wisdom that are issued to a staff member that then provides it by.

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The regular session, so that we have that at hand, isn't that a isn't that a.

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Function that works well for the committee at all. No, and it doesn't okay.

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I can tell you why I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. Tell me why well for.

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Example, I have been and community the whole and I've asked for data and the.

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Administration did not get the data back to me by the next week. Remember.

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Committee, the whole comes when week after first reading, where we actually.

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Discuss the issue and then the next week is regular session and that's when we.

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Decide and if the administration doesn't provide the data, it's rare for the.

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Council to vote to postpone until the data is is gotten in the committee.

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System there's an extra two weeks built in a second hearing, can be had if.

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There's insufficient data that night it's there's more time for the data to.

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Be gotten and the committee can make sure that the data is ready for the full.

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Council when it comes back to regular session, so that's one example.

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So arts, collective wisdom goes that the downside to that is that in committee of.

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The whole everyone has a tendency to want to comment or to ask questions because they don't want to seem like they're, disinterested, and you know, while sure, there's collective wisdom. It also.

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Extends meetings when the goal of a committee is to triage is to figure out.

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What are the basic problems here that the full.

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Council used to think about not, let's pontificate about this issue right away.

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So that's another reason why. I think that the committee system is superior.

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Could I just expound a bit so well? If, if, if the goal is to reduce comment, then it.

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Seems to me, then time should be addressed, not not not changing the.

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Process to such a degree- but that's that's more. Ok, isn't that true. That is.

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Not the acquirement, but but back to back to the first question, it seems to me.

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That there might be questions that evolve from from nine members and that.

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Could only happen really at in a nine member body such as ours, and that might.

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Require another regular session, in other words, if we don't wouldn't that be true, if, if the committee couldn't think of all the.

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Questions obviously can't of all nine members it might lead to additional.

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Meetings, regular sessions- that's also the case for the 10:30 rule. I mean right.

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Now the council does not really respect the public's time will decide a meeting.

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At one o'clock or two o'clock in the morning, because the way our rules are.

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Set up, we have to decide tonight again we have the fastest legislative cycle in.

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The state and it's arbitrary why there is plenty of time: let's make the better.

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Decision not the quicker one, I don't think quicker. Decisions are.

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Better- and I don't think staying up all night is good for public involvement.

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Again, let's get rid of the 10:30 rule. If we are so careless about it, but I would.

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Suggest that, regardless of what system we use? Yes, we should be more respectful.

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Of time I should be on a timer right now. We don't have that rule yet.

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Kinds of member people's men- yes, I just wanted to clarify.

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Councilmember bolin under your proposal, does item of legislation necessarily or.

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Automatically get referred to a standing committee, or could it still go to.

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Committee of the whole yeah- I have addressed this it. It does not.

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Automatically go to committee the whole. We don't have that in city code. It may.

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Go to either city the committee of the whole or a standing committee, the only.

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Thing we say is that we must first try to send it to standing committee and, if.

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The vote to that fails, then, a motion to sign to the committee of the whole is.

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Appropriate did I answer your question. Yes,.

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Councilmember flaherty. Yes, there was a mention in the packet about.

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Memorializing the meetings and dimensions specifically that council.

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Members should be mindful that of a potential short turnaround time for a.

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Report back say the second wednesday that a standing committee meets and.

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Reporting back to the full council, if we wanted it included in that packet for.

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The second regular session it would need to be done by friday, I'm not as familiar.

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With the process of land-use committee and how that report back has been done.

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Can you speak to that concern and and what your thoughts are? Yes, so the idea.

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Of a committee report is meant to be very brief, admit it's meant to discuss what topics were brought up.

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Were there any substantial decisions made by the council, I would encourage.

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Everyone to go back and look at reports of the land use committee. These are some.

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Of the most substantive issues that a committee could hear our pu ds for.

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Example and you'll see that the recommendations of the land use.

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Committee are very similar to the reasonable conditions called for in a.

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Pud, it's a bullet list of certain items that were of concern and the typical.

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Report is on the order of two paragraphs. It's meant to be something that can be.

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Assembled very quickly and turned around in a day or so so. I've had no trouble.

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Filing those reports for the committee- and there have been minority votes were.

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A person who was not of the majority spoke to an issue and they didn't take.

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Very long, either. Overall, the report is a couple minutes. I just a quick follow-up.

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That's okay. I related it. So it's the chair, person, who's responsible for.

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Report back is that correct, so that's correct. They may delegate to a member of.

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The committee, but the chairperson has to make sure the report is filed with this.

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Discussion on cammy the whole, it seems as though this is not so much been.

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Eliminated but being pushed to the side. Is that fair to say yes, I mean? Oh, yes,.

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It's fine, but the question I do have is on the.

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Extended period of deliberations section, should the council wish to extend the.

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Discussion of an item being considered to the next committee of the whole.

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Rather than return it to the next regular session, then it could amend.

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Local code to do so, can you explain that process and what that means sure I want.

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To point out that what I'm proposing tonight is a resolution that only requires one reading, an ordinance is a change to city code. That requires two.

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Readings, which is what some members have suggested this deserves tonight, which is.

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Fine with me, I purposely did not want to propose an.

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Ordinance change because I didn't think it was necessary. All I want to do is.

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Trigger existing code, which says yes, we can make more committees, let's make some.

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More, even if we don't use them that often their existence allows us to say, we've declared these four members a specialty.

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A specialists in the community affairs area and they can hold hearings that are.

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Not the subject of legislation, this is an important tool that we don't have.

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Right now we can call a hearing on an emergent issue: the farmers market, the.

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Bearcat there's the kind of thing these are very strong issues, but on even.

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Issues that are emerging that are not so strong again, a committee chair can say.

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Hey you know, we really should get some input about this. Let's have a hearing on.

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An item: it's not the subject of legislation and talk about it. So I'm not.

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Proposing a code change because I think existing code handles it well, I don't.

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Want to get rid of the committee the whole. I think that it's good, for example, for budgets, unlike other cities, that have a budget and finance committee.

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We're just going to do our budget as a whole, but for other issues, I'd like us.

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To try referring to standing committees, let's see how it goes. It's not a.

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Particularly harmful way to do business. Okay, if I may continue, it still seems.

P

That there is some reference to the committee of the whole and I'll continue.

P

Furthermore, should council want to extend deliberations on a matter after.

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It is heard at the committee of the whole the council can do so by putting.

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The matter to a second third, fourth, etc reading, if the whole intent is to be.

P

More efficient, how is that? So I guess that's my question. The intent isn't to.

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Be a for the sake of efficiency, only yes, the.

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Council may at second reading refer back to committee of the whole, but it never.

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Does it never does the the concern that some.

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Members have about, we us automatically, referring to the committee the whole or.

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To us standing committee is not an evidence here. The the code only says we.

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Have to make a motion first to refer to a standing committee and if that fails,.

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Then we have the option to refer to committee of the whole in an effort to.

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Try standing committee: that's how the land use committee was able to meet over.

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The past couple of years, who view didn't automatically refer to a standard.

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Committee of the whole and we weren't forced to get a majority to override our.

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Habit, this is about changing our habits, and this allows the default to be a.

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Standing committee, but if the council wants do, they can in fact a majority.

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Vote refer to committee, the whole okay. Thank you any more questions from.

P

Council councilmember rosenberg. My question is:.

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It sounds like a lot of this is about time management and I can see the.

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Benefit in going both ways here to have everyone on council here to comment and.

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Ask questions and I can also see the benefit of having not so many people to.

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Really get into the details of legislation: do you think we can solve.

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Time, management, issues and committee of the whole that we are trying to solve by.

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Having standing committees so, can we create a committee of the whole where we.

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Do have stopped times and we make those public. So we we, we cut off, comment right.

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And we do all the same things, but we're all here, and so the public would know.

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When to come for a next issue to come up, the issue of time, management is actually.

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Separate from the issue of how we do committees, we should be limiting our.

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Time in every circumstance, I love to go back to the example of the night in.

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Committee of the whole, where we addressed the food truck ordinance, one.

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Member of the public got up and spoke for 21 minutes about food trucks. Here's.

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A food truck owner a second owner got up and spoke for 10 minutes. Each of them.

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Had about five minutes of material to say, but they took that much time because we had no rule. That said that we should limit time.

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I mean this is actually a secondary issue. I believe that we need to.

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Implement time limits throughout our processes, but keeping the community the.

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Whole prohibits us from having hearings on items that are not the subject of.

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Legislation which standing committees allow us to do they there's. You know no.

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They allow us to conduct the oversight in a reasonable procedure that can be.

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The whole does not provide, and I again I think that when everyone is present.

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There is more of a pressure among council members, which I've observed many.

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Times over my ears to address the issue because they feel like they are here and.

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They need to look like they're they're involved. It's not a knock on any member.

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It's not a personality flaw. It's the nature of the beast when everyone is.

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Here maybe you look like you're, not taking part. If you don't say anything.

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And so there's a tendency for more people to say stuff that you know and.

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The end, the initial analysis of an issue isn't necessary. The four members who are.

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You and I there's four of us here on this dais, not strangers a complete.

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Mystery that four members can knock out the.

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Basic stuff that the the whole nine doesn't don't need to worry about. That's.

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The the value of the committee I mean, I would ask simply again: why does every.

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Other city, why does every other legislature use them there's a reason.

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Okay, you need further questions. Okay, well, now go to the public for any public.

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Comment on resolutions twini, oh one,.

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Please remember the sign-in state, your name and hi peter dorfman. Alright, this.

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Is gonna sound, a little abstract, but I can envision if we have these committees.

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In place, there might be an issue that is of particular concern to a people in a.

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Particular district- and I gather these are small committees- might be for people.

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It's conceivable that that issue might go before a committee that doesn't.

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Include the council member from that district, so my comment is that maybe it.

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Would be advisable to set a rule that every committee needs to include one.

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At-Large member, to kind of represent the the interests of the rest of the city.

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Just a thought, thank you. Thank you, david kapil. I think this sounds like a very.

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Carefully thought-out proposal- and I'm generally enthusiastic about it, but I do.

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Have just one thought, as a member of the public, who often has very particular axe.

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To grind- and that is, I learn a great deal sitting through the rest of the.

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Meeting that I didn't come here, for I think that those of us who are activists.

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Especially, perhaps online activists get a focus that may be very important. May.

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Be entirely valid, but we have a responsibility just as much as you have.

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A responsibility, and that is to be aware of the context of the whole business of.

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The city- and I would just if there are other members, the public listening on.

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Cats or something I would encourage all of us to realize how much you do and how.

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Complex the business of the city is and to take in too, even when we have a.

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Single issue to take it in the light of the tote.

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Quality of issues, thank you. Thank you.

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My name is daniel bingham. I just wanted to comment in support of the council.

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Committees being having been involved in organizations both cooperative and.

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Corporate and everything in between trying to handle all issues through a.

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Single decision-making body gets really overwhelming really fast and at a.

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Certain point: you have to start breaking it down and chunking it out and taking.

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Things a piece at a time one of the things as a member of the.

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Public I really like about this. If I'm understanding it correctly, is that we're.

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Right now, you get kind of two shots to comment on a piece of legislation. First,.

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Reading and second reading, this would give you four right. The two readings of.

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The committee and then potentially the two readings in three okay you're still.

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Getting an additional bite at the apple. Basically, it would give us as a.

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Community a longer period of time to really chew on issues while they're.

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Working their way through the committee's before they come before the whole council, which I think can only benefit us. So I am very much in favor of.

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This thank you have any more comments from the public.

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We'll return to the council for comments, councilmember robbo.

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Thank you. I have a lot of comments, but I'll keep them brief. For brevity to this.

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Evening, I've already referred to the collective wisdom of all nine members. I.

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I've given the council for a long time- and I learn a lot from my colleagues- I.

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Learn a lot from the discussion that evolves and it doesn't just occur at a.

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Regular session meeting and occurs at the committee of the whole, and it allows.

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Me time to then inquire from staff or petitioner and so forth about specific.

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Items that evolve from that discussion, so I appreciate the process as it is now.

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I'm actually concerned about equity in terms of the ability for people who.

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Might be pressed to come to a particular meeting say the the meeting where action.

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Has taken to have two opportunities to speak to all nine council members and.

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This would limit its really to only one meeting, so you would have to attend that.

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Meeting, if you are going to make your case to all nine members, you could do it.

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Privately but it's another thing to stand before the microphone in terms of.

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You know there's two, I guess two general types of legislation controversial and.

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None and the non controversial tend to go quite quickly and I think that they.

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Can go even even more quickly if we choose to limit time the controversial.

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Topics are going to probably require. I mean I would hope they would require a.

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Committee of the whole, because I would want there to be that kind of debate and.

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It my concern, you know well the interest of everybody, the interests of every.

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District, the interests of the of all of the at-large members. There there's a.

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Concern of mine about suppose there are two members absent. You have a forum.

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Number committee, you have to absent you, you would not have quorum and therefore.

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That meeting would be canceled. The likelihood of you know five members of.

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This body, being absent for a meeting, would be very unlikely. I don't think.

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That's ever occurred in this 16 plus years. I've been on council, so I'm.

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Concerned that meetings might go, canceled be canceled. I think I'm.

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Concerned about the administrative burden I haven't heard from the the.

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Administration, yet staff members- I don't know about the efficacy of the land use.

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Committee, from their point of view, I'd like to hear that perspective and former.

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Members of land use committee and so forth about how how well that went.

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So I think my general impression is that this is a solution in search of a.

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Problem and I think that if there was a problem specified, it would be that time.

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Is is really the most important factor here and then appropriate scheduling. I.

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Think it's a little unfair to compare. I just say that a typical year was last.

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Year last year was an exceptional year in terms of the amount of legislature.

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Burden that we that we had to consider that that is a very atypical year and so.

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I would choose a different year in terms of that, so those are my impressions and.

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Then, once I hear from everyone I I would like to postpone actually for.

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Several weeks, but I'm open to my colleagues in terms of when you would.

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Like to bring this up again, thank you.

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Any more comments from the council councilmember smith: I'm a new council.

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Member, so the thing that I have not worked under in either model of council.

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The whole day, the standing committees, but but what I wanted to comment was.

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That at at this point, I don't think I have enough information to make a.

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Decision and so postponing it seems like a very prudent thing to do, and so that.

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That was the only thing I wanted to comment. Thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember piedmont, smith,.

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Yeah I wanted to respond to a member of the public.

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Mr. bingham, who said when all of us try to handle all decision-making issues.

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Things become overwhelming very quickly, and I have found that to be true. This is.

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My starting just my third I'm starting my third term on council, and so I do.

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Have experience, but it it does become very difficult to track issues as.

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Diverse as bond issuance for parks- and you know whether to require driveway.

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Widths to be 18 or 20 feet, I mean it's just such a wide range of issues that we.

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Are responsible for? I would appreciate the opportunity to specialize by serving.

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On a limited number of standing committees and really getting to know.

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Becoming more expert in certain fields, I think that would serve the public better.

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If we had that opportunity, I also feel like the current way we appoint citizens.

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To boards and commissions is somewhat problematic in that we don't know a lot.

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About the commission's that were pointing to now, some might say well as a.

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Value should go to more of their meetings, and that would be great if I.

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Didn't have a full-time job and other responsibilities in my life as most of.

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Us do so. I I've never felt fully comfortable in making some of the.

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Appointments that I am to my colleagues make, because I don't have as much.

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Knowledge about those committees and what they do and what they need, and so.

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This would be another way. The standing committee concept would be.

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Another way to become more specialized to you know.

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Talk to those committee chairs and and become more comfortable with that area.

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In and then make more responsible appointments, better appointments that.

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That serve those commissions in a better way.

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So, for those reasons and others I I think standing committees are a good.

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Idea, I think that necessarily standing committees, the system of standing.

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Committees requires us to trust each other to say I don't have to have my.

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Finger in every pot, I can let this group of colleagues triage this certain issue.

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And bring out what's important and then bring that back to a full council.

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Meeting, I think that having four members will provide enough diversity of opinion.

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And approach and perspective that I'm not too worried about them missing a big.

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Point so I I think this is a definitely worth trying. I think it's very hard to.

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Predict you know how this will change things. We've never done things this way,.

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But, given that almost every single second-class city in the state of.

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Indiana does do things this way. I don't feel like it's too big a risk. There was.

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Something else that I wanted to say that I just cannot think of at the moment. I.

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Do think that having an additional week is important, if only to consult with.

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Members of the staff and department heads and make sure there are no.

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Unintended consequences that they can think of with this method. Oh yes, the.

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Other thing I want to say is that I did serve on the land use committee for.

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Nearly two years I've been on that committee and it has worked very.

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Efficiently- and I have never heard from any colleagues that were not on that.

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Committee that we miss something that we need to revisit something that it somehow didn't work to have that standing committee. So from.

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That perspective as well, I think it's a good idea. Thank you.

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Thank you. Any more council comment, council members again valerie. Thank you.

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I share your concern: councilmember sandberg, councilmember, rallo and others.

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About the need for increased staff feedback on this proposal, but some of.

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The comments that were most valuable for me tonight came from mr. couple. Mr.

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Bingham and mr. dorfman, thank you for weighing in and sharing your thoughts on.

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How this can best work for the public and for other members of the public.

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Please let us know what you think share that feedback with councilmember boland.

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Or via any of our emails or anything like that, if you're watching on katz.

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Please consider doing that as well. You are some of the most important.

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Voices here so please, let us know what you think.

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Any further comments: councilmember volna, it's today's organization day. It's our.

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First meeting of the years where we make decisions about who will lead the.

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Council and what appointments are going to be made, that's why I think it's.

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Appropriate that this be brought up today and not later it's time to rethink.

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The way that we do business one off offhand comment, I just want to make of.

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The outset is, I want to think about who is not here, the people who can never.

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Come to these meetings, the people who given up hope they can sit through a.

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Whole meeting because they don't know when the issue that they're concerned.

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About will be here, a former member of council once said that people should.

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Consider the committee of the whole of privilege to learn about the rest of the.

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City, that's the kind of conceit that somebody.

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Who has the time to attend council meetings enjoys, but for people who are.

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Busy, which is theoretically all of us in this room, but many council members have.

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Full-Time jobs that they can't drop you, no, they can't drop everything to do.

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Everything, that's even more true for the public, so you know, at least in the.

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Committee system they'll have at least one chance where they know what time.

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They can testify, you know if they know there's going to.

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Be an eight o'clock meeting of the community affairs committee and they.

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Don't have time to attend the land use committee or at 6:30 or the public.

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Safety committee at 9:45 at least they know to start at the end time and they.

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Will have one chance to have input into the issue? That's really concerning to.

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Them but I've heard a lot of unheard of hypotheticals. For example, it comes when.

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Barolo saying that if two members are absent, what happens? Well, let's just.

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Point this out annie because of the rule for serial scheduling any member of.

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Council can treat committee night as though it were committee of the whole.

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They are free to attend all night. It would have taken the same amount of time.

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The committee of the whole would have taken with maybe 15-minute gaps in between committee hearings, so the whole point is to make sure that if somebody.

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Does want to attend every committee meeting, even if they don't get to sit at.

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The dais they can be there and hear all the input and.

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To money and members of the public can know that they're there, but in two years.

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Of the land use committee, councilmember granger was the only member not on the.

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Committee who came- and she came a couple times on a particular issue- it gave the.

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Other five members, the night off or at least a period of time off it shows you.

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Know, even if you know the idea that some other committee, the whole is better.

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Because everybody's there it does show that cumbers enjoy not having to be here.

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For a meeting and that you know I didn't hear any complaints, it's comfort, ramon.

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Smith said the administrative burden. Again, I first point out: I hope that the.

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Non-Members of the luc enjoyed their nights off. Secondly, you know there's a.

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Time to put together a report, it doesn't have to be long, it should be one page or.

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Less that just summarizes what was discussed at committee committees are.

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Not meant for pontification they're meant for triage the let's see what I.

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Have here, I just think that postponing beyond next week is a delay tactic.

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Consider that an ordinance introduced tonight that has committee the whole.

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Tonight because we doubled that up because of the beginning of the year, we'll get you know a second reading one week after the committee of the whole.

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Okay by postponing to next week, you're giving this legislation as much time as.

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Any regular ordinance we've done this many many times in the past. I think that.

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Postponing to any time later than next week is simply saying I don't agree with.

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It on delay I'm trying to delay it. There is no member of the administration here.

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To address this issue, but when I spoken to members the administration, when it.

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Comes to how committees are scheduled, they have no complaints, they certainly.

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Have no complaints about time limits, I think, there's a certain bias of those of.

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Us who can come or who are paid to come to these meetings, it's easy for us to.

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Say well we're having a public beating that they can just show up, but we're not.

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How hard are we trying to really engage members of the public? This is a method.

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That allows that the idea about somehow, including the.

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District representative for an issue affecting their district, I want to.

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Encourage the district representative to come to a committee meeting if they're.

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Not already on the committee, but again we schedule them serially so that every.

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Member can attend and we're always going to have this issue. What the the.

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Expectation of us to trust each other is one. I will echo trust us. We are your.

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Colleagues, we have done a lot together. We will do a lot together.

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We're going to abandon on each other to get through all these issues together.

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This is a way of allowing us to specialize while giving us a little bit.

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More time to specialize and to take time off and deliberate, it allows us to.

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Spread across the calendar issues that are controversial, that the collective.

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Wisdom is available at regular session. We can always go to a third reading if.

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Necessary many cities. Do it there's? No reason why we can't, but the committee is.

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More likely to reduce the need for third readings, because, most of the time, the.

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Council is going to find that they're satisfied with the work of their four.

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Colleagues, you know the I've said most everything else. I think that we're a.

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Growing city, we can't keep this up there's too much work on the agenda. This.

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Is necessary, I would urge you to support this. If there's gonna be a postponement.

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I urge that you postpone to january 15th thank you. Councilmember flaherty, yeah,.

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I'm inclined to support this as well. I would also support postponing it. One.

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Week to learn more and hear more from staff, I echo some of the benefits that.

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The councilmember people on smith did a few others that I find attractive are of.

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Course, the public and staff benefit of knowing what time various issues will be.

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Held I've sat through a lot of long meetings as a member of the public. If.

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You knew in certain issues were coming up as somebody who has been juggling.

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Multiple demands, I would have found that very useful and in that way, perhaps more.

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Equitable because people know when to show up and don't need to feel like they.

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Need to show up for multiple meetings on multiple nights, just to make sure they.

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Get their word in, in fact happened during the you do hearings people gathered to people had come to a meeting to speak on one of the more.

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Controversial elements of that and it didn't get heard that night, the meeting.

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Ended and it was continued into the next night and people weren't able to come.

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Back who wanted to speak on that issue? They had one night, they were able to make it and because it went overtime, they were not able to share their.

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Comment, I agree that specialization in both appointments to boards and.

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Commissions, as well as specialization in subject matter, will benefit council and.

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The public and how we approach those committees or commissions and boards and.

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The other, the other thing I really like, is this investigate other areas within.

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Their jurisdiction, in particular I'm thinking of the mayor's recent proposals.

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On inauguration day about a green ribbon panel to consider climate issues and.

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Climate mitigation and adaptation in the city, as well as climate justice.

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Initiatives, thinking of the local climate activist groups that have gotten.

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Going in the last year, or so I think that would the sustainability climate.

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Action resilience committee would be a great body to interface with that group.

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And and collectively work towards solutions. It's a mechanism we haven't.

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Really had to date- or it's been very unwieldy if it's my understand how its.

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Previously been done correctly, so I think there are. There are benefits that.

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Aren't really and tools that aren't really accessible to us in the current.

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System of going committee of the whole for almost everything I think inevitably.

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This is going to be a little bit iterative. There will be, you know some.

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Kinks worked out: that's that's okay, and if, at any time on any legislative matter,.

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Five members of this council can refer it to committee the whole and skits that.

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Skip the standing committee, and that to me is a fail-safe that that makes it.

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Really makes the cell because there's just no real risk here. If it's not.

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Working you just don't use it or use it only for the investigative purpose there.

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Are only four appointments to committees? Finally, I'll just note that this is not.

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Duplicate if it is a parallel alternative path to getting to the.

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Second second regular session and second second reading, so I've just heard that a.

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Time or two, I want to make sure that we're all clear that this is picking a different path that is not creating additional layers of work, but.

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Again, I support post pointing a week to hear more thanks further council.

P

Comments, councilmember sandberg. Thank you. I have been a member of this council.

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Since 2007 and in my initial year on this council, I had a lot to learn and it.

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Took probably the entire first term before I felt comfortable even.

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Expressing a voice, I learned so much from the experience council people from.

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The staff that I was just getting acquainted with and getting familiar.

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With their work and who to go to when you had questions- and I see that we are.

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Two separate branches, as many governing bodies are, we have an executive branch.

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Who's responsible for a lot of administrative tasks and we have the.

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Legislative branch and I think we're getting very dangerously close to.

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Overreaching and overstepping some of our boundaries here- I am not in favor of.

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The standing committee system- I am in favor- if there are problems with.

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Constituents not finding our meetings accessible or usable. Absolutely, let's.

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Work on the reforms to work on the workload management and that can be done.

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By having a good working relationship with the administration, that can be done.

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By having discipline amongst ourselves to not go on and on, and on and kwame and.

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Lecture but to listen carefully, to ask good questions to get clarity and then.

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Do our job, which is to vote right? Our job is to vote things up or down when it.

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Comes to the final regular sessions, what we as council members need to do in the.

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Interim to study the issues understand what's going on, who do we need to.

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Contact if we have questions that we do on our own time to be prepared to make.

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Logical educated, good decisions about the working of the city, what our staff.

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Does how they interact and then what we ourselves do with respect to policy and.

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Legislation for the record- this is not the first time we've heard this proposal.

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It's the third time I have heard it. I'm still not convinced.

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It's the right way to go based on my experience, working with the.

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Committee of the whole, I have always approached my position on.

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The council that I am elected at-large and I am one of nine and when we start.

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Becoming specialists, as opposed to what I consider my role up here, to be a.

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Generalist, which is to understand all the inner workings of all the.

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Legislation that comes here, I see us dividing up into subcommittees and when.

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People say to me, but other cities do it. Frankly, I don't care. I want to make sure.

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That we are operating in the best fashion we can for the public that we.

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Are responsible to here in the city of bloomington? So again I have major.

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Concerns, I will voice them later. I am absolutely in favor of postponement.

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Because I think we have given short shrift to our administration and our.

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Staff, I think this is a little bit on the dismissive side to say it's our.

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Privilege as council to manage our own business, but we don't do this in a.

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Vacuum we need to have good working relationships with our mayor and with.

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His department, heads and our staff in order to do the work we need to do up.

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Here, and do it responsibly, do it democratically small d and make sure.

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That we are all of us all- nine of us serving the public in all aspects of the.

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Inner workings of this body, I would respectfully also ask that those that.

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Are just joining this this august body? There is a learning curve, I'm still.

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Learning- and this is the start of my fourth term, and so when we start.

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Thinking that we're going to serve each other on the public well by becoming.

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Specialists before we do tap into the institutional knowledge of all nine of.

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Us up here where we have the benefit of doing that in the committee of the whole.

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I think it does a disservice to our community and to our constituents.

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I have fairly strong opinions about it again. I will be more organized in my.

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Thoughts for the next time this is discussed, but I am not in favor of.

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Changing the committee of the whole structure to standing committees in the.

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First week of the first year of a new term, thank you, anne simon, bravo yeah. I.

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Don't regard this as an ordinary legislative item, I think it because it's.

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A significant change in process: it ought to be given appropriate time for.

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Questions to evolve and be answered and we've yet to hear from the.

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Administration and if we proceed on this, it ought to be done right. It affects not.

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Only council but administration staff, the public, various petitioners and so.

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Forth so I will move that we postpone this item until a regular session of the.

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29Th of january, to allow adequate time since I don't think that all of our.

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Questions will be answered within a week.

E

There's still there's still debate, there's still comments that council.

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Colleagues would like to make before we vote on the motion that has been made so.

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I would like to go back and make sure we have all comments before we proceed with.

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The motion that council member rallo made councilmember rosenberger did you.

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Have a comment, I do thank you so as a new member of council, along with three.

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Others up here we have the most recent experience as being at someone sitting.

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On the other side and spending our night, sometimes two a week waiting to make a.

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Public comment it with the you: do it really wasn't rare that we would be here.

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For five hours and potentially not get to comment until the next night, if we.

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Had time to come back, so I think for me one of the biggest one of the biggest.

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Benefits of standing committees is that we will have a more predictable schedule.

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For people to come and comment and engage with us on the issues, I think it.

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Is an equity problem that committee of the whole doesn't give a timeline for.

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When your issue might come up, so you know, you have people here for two hours.

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But might have to go pick kids up after after a school event or right go.

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Home to make dinner for the kiddos, and so this would really help people who.

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Don't really get a chance to sit here for five hours to come when they know.

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When they know something irrelevant is happening for them.

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I really do like the many people up here have spoken to this, but the ability to.

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Specialize and dig deep into the issues, I think something we haven't been able.

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To do with committee of the whole is hold legislative hearings and I think.

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That's something we could really look into with standing committees, because I.

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Mean try, as we might it's very difficult to get really diverse voices and our.

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Audience and I think, allowing deeper dives and experts to come in comment and.

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We can question them. I think that will really help get-get voices and.

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Perspectives in the room that we might not have the chance to do. A committee of.

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The whole, so for that and other reasons, I lean towards supporting this.

P

It's really fertile in romance okay. I'll take one looks like I got back just in.

P

Time, first of all, we'll think um obviously councilmember volans put a lot.

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Of work and thought into this in part of the presentation and again I hope it's.

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Just my open public thoughts, I heard an awful lot of iiiiii and I'm not as.

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Comfortable as I would be hearing more, we and I think part of the issue here or.

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Why we're having such discussions that we just haven't really had enough time.

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To to digest some of this, what we're hearing so I am looking forward to.

P

Postponing so we can have further discussion. I really want to hear more.

P

How this is going to impact staff? I even want to hear from administration. I know.

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It's our call, and it's affects us- we've heard a lot how it affects the public.

P

I'm still wanting to hear more about how it affects us or how it doesn't affect.

P

Us part of that clarity, I'm kind of, and I'm sure we'll talk about this later.

P

Personally wondering where does the rules committee go and what happens.

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There, when it goes into an alleged committee, and what about some of the.

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Progress that we've already made there and I think, that's a very important as.

P

We move forward, I'm so I'd be interested to hearing more about that. A couple.

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Final comments, one of the things I heard that we're here, because we're paid I.

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Think that's pretty clear. It's part of the budget, but I'm telling you I'm here.

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And I hope I can speak. I think I do speak for the majority of my colleagues.

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We are here because we were elected, so I think we just again. I don't think there.

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Was any negativity meant there, but I think words matter. We just kind of got.

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To be careful, how we present some things, another example and again I'm not.

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Intending to chastise, that's not what I'm doing I'm going into 2020 what clearer vision! I just want to be more collaborative in.

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Fair-Minded, but one of the comments was earlier, is that some of the council.

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Members would, as in committee, the whole would ask questions to not appear to be disengaged, and I don't know how that is quantified.

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How that can be supported, and that, in my mind, assumes that some of those comments.

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Lends itself to being irrelevant they that people just want to talk to be.

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Heard basically- and I disagree with that- it may not be timely. It may not be what.

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We want to hear- but I think most people up here on this diets when they have.

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Something to say it is at least relevant to them, if not for anything else. Other.

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Than for clarity's sake, lastly, and there's been a couple uses or requests.

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To trust trust words matter, one of the things that I want to be able to do, and.

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I feel I can is depend on my colleagues to do their job and to serve on the.

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Committee's that they're on, I believe I can depend on them, I'm not so sure and.

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Again, this is just me that, if trust is one of the words I want to use as part.

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Of what we do as legislators as far as standing committees, betwixt in all of us.

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So that's the end of my comments. Do we have any more counsel? I need to talk to.

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The parliamentarian, no is that relevant has councilmember boland already had two.

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Chances or just one, I think so,.

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I think there's a couple that's had to, I think so um two is fine. More than two is.

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Not acceptable so if he hasn't had to them write down, I don't know I'm trying.

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To keep track here, but there's only one that I know yes just to respond to some.

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Of the comments that I've heard particular, I would challenge at least.

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Councilman rallo to consider how often we have said in regular session. Well, I.

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Said everything I was going to say about this last week in committee of the whole, it happened so often that it's a thing, the the the standing committee system.

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Does not preclude members from having their full say. It just makes sure that.

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That full say has had in regular session when minutes are being kept and the.

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Discussion can still happen. So if we say, if all we do in regular session is say.

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Well, I said it all last week, then why I have regular session. You know this is a.

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Way of cutting down on that kind of comment, as well as cutting down on the.

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Amount of time that we spend deliberating on things that don't require that much time or that many cooks. But the idea that we need to.

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Discipline ourselves, you know I am the first one to admit that without a timer.

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I will go on longer and we should absolutely be using timers that when, in.

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Lanny's committee, several of us who were notorious for speaking at length setting.

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A timer to four minutes gets people to stop. We canceled three meetings of the.

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You do that we expect that we needed because we use timers. So if nothing else.

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I think we should be thinking about using timers on a more regular basis.

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Otherwise, this debate would have been different in shorter, but this has been.

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Proposed by me more than once, and this in the way that councillor flaherty.

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Points out, that's iterative. It's taken time to develop what will work, but the.

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The idea that somehow this is not the time to do it, we need more time to study.

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We need to get input from everybody else. This is a delay tactic. This is meant to.

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Say we don't really want this? This is getting as much time as any as any.

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Ordinance we've had we've passed much bigger issues with much less effort with.

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A much more compact way the idea that somehow that we as council are somehow I.

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Mean I think that the opposition- this is very passive towards the administration.

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And the legislation that the statute and city code clearly says we are co-equal.

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Branches of government- and we don't have to be throwing our weight around to say.

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We'd like to more concretely decide how we're going to provide oversight of the.

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Administration- because that is our our duty by city code- is our duty by statute.

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And this is the mechanism for doing it, so you know I'm tired of hearing the.

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Stake: it's never time to discuss this. We need more time to think about it. The.

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Time is now the time is now the time is this month. Let's get this done by next.

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Week, I'm happy to answer questions hear what the administration has to say on.

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Friday, but I think the fact that they're not here, there's plenty of other issues.

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That are more burning for them right now, and this is reasonable. This is common.

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This is natural. This is the way that legislators do business. They divide the.

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Work up: let's try it please, let's just try it.

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Trust it. Thank you. Council comment has been exhausted: council member boland or.

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You can offer a motion. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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May I asked you to repeat to what date you want to table it. Yes, the regular.

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Session of the 29th of january, is there a regular session scheduled for that day.

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You call anyone by your emotion point of information. I we have scheduled a.

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Council work session for friday, we do have some other business. It was my.

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Understanding that this was another topic to come up on that meeting now so.

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I just you might want to announce, if that's your intention, that you will take.

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It up on friday, it's a council work session, but the next time it will come.

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Formally to the council of this motion to pass would be the 29th I do know it's.

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Pretty like to comment on it, I don't think it's, mr. president, isn't it in.

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Debate, subject to limit a debate, you you typically it's the date, you know is that.

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Does that work with what you have in mind? Yes, I'd like to say that again.

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Where the the motion proposes a meeting, we haven't scheduled, I'm suggesting that.

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It be moved like any other piece of legislation to the next regular session.

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Which is coming up next week, if those who oppose this legislation would like.

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To demonstrate some some examples of how this would be lately, they need data to.

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Gather, I you know like to know what that data might be, but I find it to be.

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Objectionable and I think that the 15th is a more appropriate date and perfectly.

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Fine, so I oppose the motion any further. Yes comes, remember, flared I'll, just.

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Agree, I think the 15th is appropriate. We don't have a session scheduled on the.

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29Th, I don't see any reason why, if you're, if you're against in just one of.

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Oat against the next week, that's of course, okay, but I don't see a reason why we can't hear what we need to hear and decide next week further comments: okay,.

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Doog legion, you may be referring a matter later on this evening to a land.

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Use committee and the 29, you might be splitting your duties on the 29th.

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Between items just to let you know that call the.

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Question second, okay: well, the clerk. Please call the rule.

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Councilmember rosenberger. Pardon me pardon me this is the motion to postpone.

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For until january, 29th just want to be clear. I'm sorry! Thank you! No sims! Yes,.

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Bolin no p months, man, yes,.

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Flirty, no smith, yes, sandberg. Yes,.

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Rolla, yes, it's gambler. Yes,.

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Motion passes six three motion passed six: three sorry, dr. clerk was one.

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Telephone. Thank you. We got the doctor gavel. Bangs. Thank the issue is resolved.

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We will postpone to the meet to a meeting to be scheduled for january 29th.

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With that, we now go to legislation for first reading.

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Mr. president, I moved that ordinance 2001 the phred introduced and read by.

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Title and synopsis only all in favor, say aye all opposed, say, nay. Will the clerk.

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Please read ordinance 2001 to amend the city of bloomington zoning maps by.

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Rezoning a 3.2 acre property from commercial limited to a planned unit.

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Development and to approve a district ordinance and preliminary plan regarding.

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105 south pls drive courier urban properties. Petitioner, the synopsis is as.

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Follows ordinance, 2001 would rezone a 3.2 acre property from commercial.

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Limited to a planned unit, development and approve a pud district ordinance and.

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Preliminary plan to allow the construction of a mixed-use building mr.

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President, I move that the council refer ordinance 2001 for discussion at the.

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Land use committee on wednesday january 15th to start no earlier than 8 p.m. and.

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Wednesday january 29th to start oh.

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I'm reading from the the proposed motion that counsel attorney sherman wrote for.

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Us do we have to specify the dates. Yes, you don't. You can leave the time open.

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You can have the committee next week decide when they'll meet on the the 29th.

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So, ok so to meet january 15th, starting no earlier than 8 p.m. and then on.

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Wednesday january 29th so start at a time to be determined later is theirs.

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Thank you all in favor, say aye aye, all opposed, say, nay. The the.

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Ordinance will be referred to the language community to meet on january 15th. For mr. president, I move that ordinance 2002.

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Be read by title and synopsis. Only second introduced and read first reading.

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Did you read length, I'm sorry, I'm new here in this chair. The motion should be.

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Introduced and read by title and synopsis only am I correct mr. sherman.

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Thank you need a second need, a second all in favor, all in favor, say aye all.

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Opposed say, nay, will the clerk please read ordinance 2002 final approval to.

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Issue economic development notes and lend the proceeds for the renovation of.

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Affordable housing, r8 walnut woods, 818, east miller, drive and reverend butler.

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Apartments 1202 west 11th street bloomington, our ad ilp petitioner, the.

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Synopsis is as follows: ordinance 2002 authorizes the city of bloomington to.

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Issue up to 11 million in aggregate principal amount of its city of.

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Bloomington indiana economic development revenue note series 2020 a walnut woods.

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Reverend butler project and its city of bloomington indiana economic development.

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Revenue note series 2020, b, walnut woods, reverend butler project collectively the.

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Notes in one or more series and approving and authorizing other actions.

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In respect there to you before we go to additional public comment, I would like.

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To also entertain a motion to appoint dan sherman as our attorney for the year.

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2020 is there such a motion? I move that dan.

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Sherman be appointed the counsel attorney / administrator for 2020. Second,.

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Motion is second: unless there's objection will we can do.

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This by voice vote, I think all in favor say aye.

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All opposed, say, nay, the eyes have it. Mr. sherman, thank you for your service and.

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Into the year 2020, with that, we go to additional public comment. 25 minutes set.

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Aside for comment not on items not on the agenda, please come to the podium and.

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State, your name and we have a taker. A former employee of the city council, sign.

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In after you speak, please melissa o'neill. I should have known.

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That I can't comment on first reading. I was gonna make some comments on 2001. I.

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Know how quickly the legislation moves, so I was afraid I would lose my chance.

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So instead, I will make some just general comments that I sort of want to make so.

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I know there's a strong feelings. I don't know what that's okay, anyways so.

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Sustainability is a very common and strong movement at the moment, and I want.

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To ask council to reconsider the 40 foot height restrictions on buildings. I find.

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That, by increasing the density, it would allow more growth in bloomington without.

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The loss of green space, it's also more efficient in a lot of ways.

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Another thing is at the beginning of the meeting.

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Council member rallo mentioned that bloomington is 80,000 strong and people.

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I also want I want to make note that half of that is students and to address.

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That the students are a part of this community and they come from other.

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Communities that can feed into how we shape the city would be good.

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I guess that's it thanks.

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Hi, my name is daniel bingham. I wanted to comment on the mayor's proposal that he.

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Made in his inauguration day speech for a point, five percent increase in the li.

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T to create a sustainability fund, the mayor didn't propose what that money.

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Should be used for he just said: let's do a point: five percent increase and it'll.

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Go towards sustainability. The local income tax is a regressive tax by nature.

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It's a flat tax. We can't make it progressive. We can't do income brackets.

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So it's really really important that if we do this, the money that is raised goes.

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Towards helping low-income and marginalized people, because they are.

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Going to feel the sting of that tax much more deeply than middle and high income.

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People, so I think it's really important that we start talking about all right if.

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We raise the tax, what do we do with it, and I had begun just as a an activist.

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Exploring I've been exploring all year what we can do for sustainability in.

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Trying to find funding- and I agree that we probably need to go to the li t.

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Although I think, there's more exploration that can be done and that if.

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We're going to turn to a regressive tax. We owe it to the community to explore.

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Every possible avenue, so I think we need to spend some more time. Looking at the.

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Budget to see, if there's anything that could be cut, but I do think it's likely.

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We will need to raise funds for sustainability initiatives. What I would.

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Like to propose and just throw it- and I did with rad there for people to start chewing on if we do raise the li t, let's go the full 1.25% that we have available.

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To us that would get us 20 million instead of 8 million put 10 million of.

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That into the transit system that doubles the transit systems budget, we.

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Can make it fair free? We can add saturday and sunday service. We can.

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Potentially double or quadruple the number of buses so that you have them.

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Coming every half an hour or every 15 minutes, we can add additional routes. We.

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Can make it a usable transit system right now? Bus fares for a year are about.

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$300, I think there are some grants and scholarships, but just for annual bus.

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Passes 300 bucks for somebody making 20,000 a year. I believe at one point two.

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Five percent increase in the li t would amount to about $250 out of their pocket.

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Annually, so if we can create a bus system, they can use and it's free and.

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They don't have to pay the bus fare so that saves them. 300 bucks they're, paying 250 they're getting 50 back if we can save them from buying a car. If we can.

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Let them get rid of one of their cars. The federal government estimates the.

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Average annual cost of car ownership at around nine thousand dollars a year per.

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Car, I think people a lot of learning and people are able to do that more cheaply.

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But if you add gas, you add insurance, you add the cost of paying for the car. It's.

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At least a couple of thousand, so if we can build a bus system with the li t,.

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That enables people to ditch a car they'll be saving thousands of dollars.

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So they'll be out 250 and getting back thousands with the remaining that that's.

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The first 10 million, with the remaining 10 million, I would propose- put 5 million.

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Into the housing fund, we need to build more housing. There are 30,000 people who.

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Commute into this city every day, 30,000 we are building, maybe 500 units of.

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Housing a year, most of that is not affordable. The part of the reason those.

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People commute into the cities because they can't afford to live in the city, so we need to build a lot more, affordable housing. I don't know what the numbers.

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Are off top my head of how much we put into the housing fund? But I know of.

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Having worked in housing, having been on the board of bloomington cooperative.

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Living I know that 5 million a year would go a long way in the nonprofit.

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Housing sector and we, if we funnel that specifically into nonprofit housing, then.

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It will be permanently affordable, it will build capacity and organizations.

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That will continue to work independent of the city and independent of city.

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Funds, because you know bloomington cooperative living wheats, we managed to.

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Maintain a high degree of affordability, but we did take in development funds.

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That, then, we would would use to build more housing and the more housing that.

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We'd managed the more we took in as development funds that we could build.

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More housing, it's a growing effect for the remainder of 5 million. I would.

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Propose a solar program, a solar loan program and grant program to expand.

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Vastly expand indiana solar for all, if 2.5 million.

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Would be 125 solar systems a year? We need to install a billion dollars worth.

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Of solar just to cover bloomington's emissions so to hit the cuts we need to.

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Make by 2030, obviously we can't hit that on our own. But if we start aggressively.

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Supporting solar installs, we can put pressure on duke to do their own.

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Conversion from coal and gas towards solar, because they don't want to lose.

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The customers in every solar system that goes on a roof is, as a customer lost for.

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Them and then the remaining 2.5 million, I would say, put into weatherization.

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Because there are massive gains on efficiency on emissions reduction,.

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Through weatherization and it's really beneficial to low-income people, see men.

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Will go to issues of council schedule? Our attorney is out of the room. We.

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Certainly have do you know anything about the schedule. Mr. lucas.

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Now I'll just remind the council that there is a work session scheduled for.

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This friday, at 1:15 p.m. which is a little different than our normal noon,.

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Time it's in the mccloskey room in anticipation of larger crowd than normal.

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So and the 115 times, because our four new members are going to be on noon.

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Edition on wi-fi you at noon on friday, so this meeting was scheduled to.

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Accommodate their ability to attend, we hope that it will help them believe we.

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Need to formally move to hold this work session, since it wasn't on our schedule.

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I will have to entertain such a motion. I move to hold a work session at 1:15 on.

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Friday needs a second motion in a second all in favor of holding a work session.

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This friday, at 1:15 at p.m. please say aye.

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Opposed say, nay often we have a show of hands to see who will actually attend.

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Will are planning to attend the work session at 1:15 on friday, we have at.

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Least 5, so it looks like will it's more than three? We usually hold it. So, ok, any.

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Other scheduled issues, mr. sherman, nothing new, given the actions you've.

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Already taken tonight so with that, we are about to adjourn, followed.

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Immediately by committee of the whole to take up ordinance 2002, we will reconvene.

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In about two minutes, so that we can change seats as they're a motion to.

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Adjourn motion. Second, all in favor say aye.

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We are adjourned order. This committee of the whole meeting for wednesday january.

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8 2020, we have one item on our agenda: its ordinance, 2002 final approval to.

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Issue economic development notes and lend the proceeds for the renovation of.

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Affordable housing regarding walnut woods, 818 east miller, drive and reverend.

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Butler apartments, 1202 west 11th street, and we have mr. larry allen from the.

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Legal department to present tonight.

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Never, for the sake of brevity and just for the sake of the expertise, tyler.

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Kaletnik, who is from ice miller, who is representing the ultimate developer, is.

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Going to give you the presentation for this, but I am here obviously to answer.

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Any questions that you may have thank you, madam chairwoman, members. The council.

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As noted time, tyler clutch nick partner with ice miller, serving as bond counsel.

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For this transaction, just a real brief background, because I know.

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Congratulations are in order to some of the new members and also elected.

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Positions, but this is a conduit commonly referred to as a conduit bond issue.

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Which essentially means that the city? By issuing the bonds takes on no financial.

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Obligation with respect to the bonds, because it's payable solely from project.

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Revenues no effect on constitutional debt limit not payable from taxes or.

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Funds of the city. So by way of background to the the conduit issuance.

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Does two things one the reason: the developer and bloomington housing.

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Authority or before you is because only governmental entities can issue.

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Tax-Exempt bonds- and that does two things: it provides access to capital.

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Markets at a lower interest rate and particularly for affordable housing.

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Projects provides the ability to capture 4%, low-income housing, tax codes from the.

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Federal government so in terms of the timeline of approvals that have occurred.

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Here we were before the economic development commission, beginning august.

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Of 2019, then this council induced the resolute.

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Induced the project september 2019. Well, it's essentially acts as a preliminary.

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Step in the bond issuance and also allows for application to the indiana.

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Housing and community development authority, which is the tax allocation.

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Agency in the state and then most recently with the economic development.

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Commission, which they saw the commencing the ordinance that's before.

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You this evening, in december of 2019 at that time, to a public hearing was held.

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No comments from the public and the edc approved everything unanimously and then.

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Finally, before last time, we were before this body the structure of the bonds and.

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Notes as they're referred to in your ordinance was not known, but it's going.

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To be a very similar to a transaction, it was before you last year for canterbury.

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Which from permanent kittel is a developer there, it's a private placement.

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Meaning a bank in this case bmo harris, will be purchasing the bonds estimated.

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To have a march/april closing date and then, following that, the construction.

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Period, I believe, will conclude and fall of 2021 for the rehabilitation of units.

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And in these two properties and if there's specific questions on the.

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Project amber scobie, the executive director of.

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Bloomington housing authority is here tonight as well conclude your.

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Presentation it does, please ask any questions. Thank you. Are there any.

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Questions from council members: well, I don't see any so we'll go to the public.

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Is there any member of the public who would like to comment on this ordinance.

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All right, we'll come back to council for comment from council members as any.

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Council member want to make a comment.

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Yes, council, member valen hope that all eight people here the community, the.

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Whole enjoyed this presentation, I'm sorry that you had to wait so long to.

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Make this presentation: this is the way our schedule works. We appreciate the.

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Presentation. Thank you. We appreciate your time.

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And I'll just add that I'm very excited about this project, I'm glad the bhj has.

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The opportunity to rehabilitate these apartments.

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Of course walnut woods is in district 5, so I'm excited to see progress on those.

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Units in particular, but I am pleased to approve this- I think you know this is.

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Sort of a pass through as mr. kalashnikov and it's just a way that the.

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City can help to facilitate this funding without assuming any risk, but through.

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The city itself, so it's it's a win-win in my, in my view, if there are no further.

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Comments: councilmember sandberg, oh councilmember, sims. Thank you. I just want.

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To say one of the and we've heard this before on different versions and all the.

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Way back in canterbury, but one thing that I'm very very happy about is that.

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We won't be displacing the residents during this project. I think that's very.

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Very important- and I thought it was somewhat creative and maybe it was miss.

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Copy that or the board I have that came up with that, so that we could avoid that.

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So I just want to say that's one of the things that I'm most pleased with in.

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Addition to the rest of this project, so thank you, move, do pass second thing all.

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Right I'll start on my right- and this is just an opportunity to say yes or no and.

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It's the straw poll so just for the review of new members, we're just gonna.

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Go right down the line, so council members capillary, you won't get hurt. Yes,.

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Yes? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes, all right! That's a do. Pass recommendation of eight to.

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Zero attorney sherman did you have, do you have a need to have the bond council.

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Here next week to answer questions or can miss kobe be available? How any any.

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Preferences on those matters, it would appear that nobody had questions so.

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Council, member rowland as council president, what do you think I would.

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We appreciate their attendance tonight and we're sorry that they had to stay so.

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Long for for it, but we don't think it's going to be indeed next week, my it's my.

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Opinion, mr. allen, would you be here, okay, very good.

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I think that'll be fine, then without the bond council. Thank you all. Thank you. All.

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Right that concludes our business. For committee of the whole. Thank you very.

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Much we are now adjourned.

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