City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 15 Jan 2020

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Session of the city council for the 15th of january with the clerk, please call.

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The roll councilmember rollo.

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Scam, burglary, rosenberger, your sims yeah bolin here.

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Piedmont: smith, yeah clarity, yeah smith, here sandburg yeah, we have a quorum, read.

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The agenda for this evening we will have approval of minutes, although there are.

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None to be approved so we'll skip that we'll have reports from council members.

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To the mayor and city offices, council committees and the public any.

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Appointments to boards and commissions, a legislation for second reading and.

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Resolutions includes ordinance, 2002 final approval to issue economic.

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Development notes and lend the proceeds for the renovation of affordable housing.

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Regarding walnut woods, 818 east miller, drive and reverend butler apartments.

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1202 west 11th street bloomington, our ad 1 lp petitioner committee, the whole.

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Recommendation 800 legislation for first reading includes ordinance 2003 to amend.

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Title 4 of the bloomington municipal code entitled business licenses and.

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Regulations regarding adding chapter 4.3 to non-consensual towing businesses will.

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Have additional public comment counsel scheduled, followed by adjournment? Let's.

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Start with, since there are no minutes to approve we'll start with reports from.

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Council members I'll start on my left with councilmember sandberg. I was.

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Saddened to hear about the passing over our winter break on christmas eve of the.

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Very gracious peter jacoby. He of course, is well known to this.

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Community is the long-term columnist of the music beat. He had actually posted.

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His last column, which was a review of the bloomington chamber, singers messiah.

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On december the 15th and then again we lost him at age 89. He lived a very long.

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And certainly productive life, but I thought it was important to make note of.

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That today, due to peter jacobi's long-term service on the bloomington.

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Arts, commission, his expertise in his field of journalism and his knowledge of.

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The arts was an extreme contribution to the work of the bloomington arts.

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Commission and again I was a regular reader of his column in the ht and again.

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I thought it was important to just make a note and to say thank you and to.

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Recognize his great achievements to make the city of bloomington a more artful.

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And musical place, thank you, councilmember smith, no reports.

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Councillor flaherty: that's what reviewed mine smith, no report, cats, morello.

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Councilmembers cammalleri rosenberger. I attended a meeting of arts for word last.

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Night, a group of local arts organizations and the focus of that was.

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Transit the focus of the conversation that evening was transit and she led.

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Just a masterful discussion and a very robust conversation on that subject and.

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Did a wonderful job, so I just wanted to say thank you for that. Thank you.

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Councilman for rosenberger cons, member simms, no report. I also have no report.

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Let's go now to reports from the mayor and city offices, I believe we have two.

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Reports tonight I will have ten minutes for each one. I believe mr. mason is.

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Starting or mr. kelson, who mr. mason is.

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Good evening councilmembers, it's always an honor and a pleasure to be here. This.

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Evening to be in front of you to present, and I'd like to highlight some of the.

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Important work taking place in the department of public works, as well as.

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Throughout the city of bloomington over the last several years, we are especially.

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Proud of the increasing investments we are making in sidewalk construction.

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Maintenance and repairs, as well as a citywide effort to increase the number.

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Of compliant a.da ramps throughout the inventory, I do want to make note of the.

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Of the picture on this very first slide here, because I think it's a something.

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Fun to highlight and really pretty awesome to highlight this is tony carol.

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With our street department, one of our concrete crew members, crew leaders, tony.

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And his crews do a great job on sidewalk work throughout the community, but this.

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Picture highlights something that we're especially proud of in the sense that.

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You see him here replacing a an old wpa 1939 sidewalk, so we worked very closely.

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With the historic preservation commission last year to come to an.

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Agreement where, whenever we were doing work on these wpa sidewalks, where we.

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Would save a nice section of it save any of the stone that we remove and then.

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Build modern sidewalks for the rest of the portion of the sidewalks to repair.

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To those historic standards for the entire segments really can blow a budget.

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Quickly, but we work closely with the hpc and are really proud of these efforts.

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You can see the stone marker for 1939 there in 2016 and 2017 the department of.

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Public works in conjunction with the mayor's office and the innovation.

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Director made unprecedented unprecedented investments and collect.

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Collecting condition index data in a modernized way for our entire.

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Transportation network this condition index data provided us up-to-date.

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Information on the condition of all of our segments of pavement, our sidewalks.

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Our traffic signs and signals, as well as our stormwater infrastructure, here's.

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Just a map that kind of shows it gives you an idea of how how that data can be.

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Presented in dynamic ways and we'll continue to use that in the years.

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To come with the support of the city council, we have increased both our.

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Annual in-house budget for sidewalk repair and maintenance, through our very.

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Talented crews at the street department, as well as increasing our annual.

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Allocation for contracted sidewalk construction, repair and maintenance. This.

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Slide highlights some 9 2018 and 2019 data in 2019, the street department.

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Repaired or replaced 3358 linear linear feet of sidewalks, they replace 72 ata.

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Ramps and then our contracted construction did just over three.

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Thousand feet of sidewalks and 3088 ramps over all these important.

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Investments are furthering our commitment to make infrastructure upgrades for all users of the transportation network. One of the.

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Proudest achievements today has also been the relaunching of our sidewalk.

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Repair assistance program: we relaunched that here in 2019, which allowed.

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Residents to participate in a program where we did a 50/50 match on sidewalk.

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Repairs the city would cover 50 percent of the cost, and homeowners would cover.

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The other 50 percent that led to 1,200 feet of sidewalks being replaced or.

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Repaired and then we've also encumbered some of those dollar 2019 dollars and.

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Have scheduled an additional 800 feet of work that'll take place here in the next.

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Month or two, an additional point to note is that.

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Beyond the investments made by the department of public works, our.

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Colleagues and the planning and transportation department have been hard.

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At work, managing projects that also add to the network of sidewalks side pass.

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And updated ata ramps in the community. The most recent examples can be seen at.

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Winslow and henderson the project that's ongoing down there, building a side path.

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On the north side of winslow, the 17th street project from arlington to vernal.

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That should wrap up later this spring, as well as the over 90, updated 88 ramps.

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Throughout the downtown as part of phase 2 of our downtown curb ramp replacement.

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Project, I hope it's apparent that not only are we proud of these investments.

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And efforts, but that we also thank the council for their consent, continue to.

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Support and increasing our annual kayson for these investments. I'd like to.

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Take a quick second here and also highlight two other projects that we've got ongoing: the downtown alley projects we're going to go out to bid later this.

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Month with what I referred to as the downtown alley, enhancement project for.

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The bluebird block the cross-section of alleys there, where we'll do art.

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Installations lighting upgrades, as well as pavement maintenance and other.

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Activation activities from there we'll move to the block on the due north side.

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Of the courthouse square- and we were hopeful to have already started that project, but we're working closely with utilities to replace a 100 year old.

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Water main that exists that we've need to get out of there, the other one I'd.

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Like to highlight really quickly here is we're going to be beginning our public.

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Outreach efforts on the kirkwood maintenance project- this will be where.

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We replace the dilapidated crosswalks on kirkwood between wilma and indiana, where.

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We add public safety and homeland security approved bollards and the.

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Sleeves for those for the ultimate flexibility with special events and then.

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We'll also be replacing the pavement from walnut indiana over the course of.

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The summer, so with that I've taken my five minutes and I'm happy to answer any.

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Questions that you may have we have about five four and half minutes left.

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For questions or any questions for mr. eason constable piedmont, smith yeah, I.

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Just wanted to ask that you send a council office, the powerpoint that you.

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Just used, oh yeah, we're sure you can yeah yeah if.

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I could also add it and if anyone would like more information, I know I only had a few minutes tonight, but I think everyone knows I'm always available to meet and go through these projects and talk more at length. If you have other.

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Questions but yes, indeed, councilmember smith, the sidewalks are pretty much.

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Unusable does the citizens still subject to the 50/50 repair, and/or replacement.

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How does that work, so the 50-50 project is an application process that we go.

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Through and for these first few years of the relaunch program, we're focusing on.

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Areas where cdbg community development block grant.

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Funds can be expended, this tend to be in lower-income areas and such so we're.

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Really focusing on those areas for the 50-50 program at this time, but as the.

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Council knows you know: the city code does have language where the adjacent.

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Property owners are responsible for maintenance and upkeep of sidewalks. Okay.

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Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember rallo.

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It's just reminding the the alleyways improvements were meant to be for.

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Pedestrian accessibility and potential connectors uptown and does that include.

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Lighting, you know, other safety features just cameras. That sort of thing we.

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Haven't done cameras but for both the block due north of the square and the.

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Block where the bluebird is located, we've already installed additional.

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Lighting in coordination with bpd, and then we also yeah. So it is it's to.

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Enhance pedestrian access and as well as activate the alleys, you know we're still.

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Working on what exactly activation will look like in certain areas, but we're.

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Really, you know some of those alleys just getting the pavement updated and.

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Getting curb ramps updated and such will be a great improvement, let alone artwork.

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And other activation activities. Thank you. Yes, councilmember flaherty, the.

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Presentation, you mentioned a couple of repaving and sidewalk projects in the.

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Context of kirkwood between walnut and indiana. Yes- and forgive me for not.

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Knowing that are on the spot, but is there a redesign process? Is that.

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Happening or was that just a discussion and is not happening, and how does that.

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Factor into those projects so, with we've been planning the kirkwood maintenance.

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Project overall kirkwood needs updated, pavement and crosswalks. We've got.

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Dilapidated crosswalks from the buses and the pavement needs replaced, so this.

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Is kind of a first effort at just getting some maintenance done getting it.

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And then, while the larger conversations and context of what kirkwood will be.

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Into the future does take place over the coming years, but this is more just.

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Maintenance we had. Hopefully we would originally scheduled to try to get it.

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Done last year, funding the first bids came in higher the next.

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Did and with that, I do want to thank our partners at n. Dot. N dot did provide us.

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Some community crossing grant money for the kirkwood maintenance project so that.

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Was a big partnership with them as well? Thank you. Yep councilmember, b ron smith.

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um What is your policy on keeping pedestrian access open during.

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Construction projects, so the policy of the board of public works and in.

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Conjunction with the planning and transportation department is that we would have a walk-around whenever possible whenever it fits and makes sense, and so we're always striving to do that. We work very closely with the.

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Engineering team and the folks that are bringing development or remodels forward.

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To try to do everything in our power to get pedestrian walk, arounds and.

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Pedestrian access near those projects does anybody from the city actually go.

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Out and and look and make sure the access is open. We have regular.

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Conversations with contractors throughout the downtown and throughout.

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The city yes, planning transportation staff- has.

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And the engineering team, at least one employee, that's working on those sorts.

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Of things throughout her day- and I know she stays busy with a lot of the.

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Right-Of-Way improvements, but also reminding the contractors and.

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Development representatives to keep those walk, arounds open as they're.

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Required. Thank you one final question in this area so who determines whether it's.

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Possible the engineering staff works closely with the developers. It's the.

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Engineering staff, with planning transportation, in conjunction with acid.

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In public works and that wraps it up neatly at ten minutes. Thank you very.

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Much for the presentation, mr. leeson, we now go to a similar presentation on.

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Waste energy with the calcine director of bloomington utilities, mr. kelson good.

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Evening, council, I'm vic telson, director of the utilities department adams got my.

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Presentation up so here we go I'm here because last spring mayor hamilton.

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Established a waste-to-energy task force that I've been leading to look into the.

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Possibilities of changing the way we do digestion at.

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Dillman road plant, both for wastewater applications and also for municipal.

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Solid waste applications cbu uses an aerobic digestion system to reduce the.

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Volume of wastewater sludge that the dillman plant, then we haul it to a.

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Landfill, similarly, our sanitation department and the monroe county, solid.

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Waste district, they also haul organic wastes as part of the municipal, solid.

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Waste stream to a landfill aerobic digestion as we're using reduces the.

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Volume of the waste that we has to have to haul, but it emits carbon dioxide. You.

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Can build something called an anaerobic digester that reduces the the volume of.

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The waste sludge and it generates methane, biogas anaerobic digesters, can.

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Also digest or gantt the organic portion of municipal solid waste. So the question.

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The taskforce was asked, is: can we employ arab, anaerobic digestion to reduce our.

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Waste streams generate vehicle fuel and reduce our carbon footprint. That's.

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That's our question: I had it on there twice. I apologize for that. Just a little.

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Bit of background there, generally speaking, there are two kinds of sludge.

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That come from a wastewater plant and the pointer doesn't work, but the big.

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Dark brown line is primary sludge. Primary sludge is the stuff that falls.

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Out of wastewater, when you put it in a tank, so you can imagine what that's made.

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Of that stuff has a lot of organic material in it, and it's terrific fuels.

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Feedstock for an anaerobic digester and makes a lot of methane. Our dillman plant.

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Doesn't have primary sludge, its configuration only puts everything into.

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Aeration right away and- and we don't separate out the stinky stuff before we.

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Send it through the plant. So if we want to do anaerobic digestion at dillman.

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We have to build primary clarifiers, we have to build handling equipment if we.

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Want a co digest a municipal, solid waste, or at least the organic portion of it. We.

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Have to build the digester itself and then we have to build facilities for.

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Utilizing the biogas, and that can either be used as a vehicle fuel.

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Typically, we would inject it on to the pipeline and then take it out where we.

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Need it or you can use it to generate electricity at the plant? This is a.

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Picture of the dillman road, a process flow diagram might look like if we added.

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Anaerobic co, digestion. What you see there is, we add, the primary clarifiers.

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You get the dark brown sludge, it goes into the anaerobic digester. It's mixed.

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With food, waste and fog is fats, oils and grease, which we get from our grease.

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Interceptors and so forth, that's digested there without an.

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Addition of any air- and it generates that methane biogas, the saw is then our.

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Reduced volume volume and they go off to solids handling. This is an artist.

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Conception or an engineer's conception of how that how that would look at the.

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Dillman plant, so the the black stuff is all the new parts that would have to be.

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Built altogether, the estimate is it's about 30 to 35 million dollars to do a.

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Project like this at the dillman plant, we did look at all the waste streams.

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That we could identify that could potentially go to the dillman plant. I.

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Won't go into these in detail right now, but it's basically adding the fog, the.

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Food waste and we can also haul the sludge from the blue tree pool plant.

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Over to the dillman plant, so there's quite a bit that we could bring there. We.

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Also used models that were generated by a to engineering firms that we worked.

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With to look at how much gas we might be able to generate total we're estimating.

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Just under a hundred cubic feet per minute that would generate, but if you.

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Made electricity from it about 354 kilowatts by comparison, the dillman.

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Plant uses on average nine hundred kilowatts, but we're pulling that down a.

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Bit with the solar panels, and even farther with the projects we're.

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Beginning to do to improve the efficiency of our blowers, the financial.

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Reality of this, though, is that debt service for a project like this would be.

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On the order of two million dollars a year altogether, we spend about eight hundred thousand dollars a year as the city for.

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Vehicle fuel, this the gas might be able to replace about a third of that or.

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About 40% of the electricity at dillman, which costs about the same amount, the.

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Conclusion that we reached, then, is that operation, maintenance or onm savings.

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Alone can't pay for a project like this, but there are wild cards in the.

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Financial story: if we right now, we expect the the expansions that we're.

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Doing at the plant to last about 15 years or more.

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If the southern basin demand increases significantly faster than that, we may.

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Have we may be seeking a plant expansion sooner? We may also get increasing fuel.

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And electrical prices over time, but the real big wild card is that there's a.

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There may be a market for renewable energy credits that would be awarded to.

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Us if we made the gas and then sent it on the on the pipeline, in which case we.

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Could sell those credits and that would add a revenue stream right now we have.

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No estimate for what that might generate in indiana. The other thing is that onm.

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Isn't the whole story? The projects like this can be evaluated in terms of.

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Something called a triple bottom line, which includes the financial, the.

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Environmental and the social benefits that the project has for the community.

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One of the benefits a couple of these are the anaerobic sludge is more easily.

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Composted for a land application, so it could be used to improve farm fields and.

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So forth, there's a value in reducing our co2 emissions and there would be social.

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Benefits to the community that really are not the kinds of things engineers.

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Can can quantify that's up to that's up to others, so what happens next? Is there.

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Will be an expanded waste energy task force to examine all the intangible.

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Issues related to this kind of a project and make final recommendations, and I'm.

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Always happy our staff. Can we talk about this for hours? So if council members.

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Want to come out and talk with us about the waste to energy question, we're more.

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Than happy to do it any time, thank you. Thank you.

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Any questions for mr. kelson councillor, piedmont, smith. First of all, the same.

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Request, as of mr. wastin, can you send the files or the powerpoint to the.

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Consul, yes, I sent it to mr. sherman before I excellent, so we will get it and then. My second question is since blue chapul.

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Already separates the brown sludge? Why not do this at blue tree pool instead of.

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Dillman, it's really not cost-effective the the capital costs of building it are.

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So big at such for such a small plant that it's just not cost-effective, if you.

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Build a new plant, the break-even point between aerobic and anaerobic digestion,.

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Is at about 12 million gallons per day we're we would be retrofitting existing.

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Plants, so we really wouldn't be close to neutral pool. So can you review for us.

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What's the difference in size between blue chip pool and the dillman plant is.

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Rated for 15 million gallons per day, the blue trepal plant is rated for 6 a verge.

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Demanded dillman is between, is, you know, averages around 10:00 or 11:00 and or.

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More sometimes, and then the blue tree plant is, is more on the order of 2 or 3.

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Million gallons per day in summer, it's maybe half a million gallons per day.

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Sometimes because the students aren't here, wow, okay, thank you. Counselor.

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Sandburg, our counselor is scambler e two questions. First of all, just to confirm.

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For my own understanding, it sounds like this is entirely a behind-the-scenes.

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Process and it won't necessarily change anything- a consumer does correct.

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Absolutely not yes, we would still generate exactly the same finished waste.

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Water, we make now got it, thank you and what do we know or I guess what do you.

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Know about other sources of funding. Are there state level or federal level.

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Partnerships or anything for this kind of project that we know about, I don't.

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Believe that there really are the waste water is we're. Actually one of the.

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Larger waste water systems in the state- and I think most of that grant funding.

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Goes towards smaller systems that don't have the financial resources to do.

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Projects like this, we will certainly look at it. Look for opportunities of.

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Things us, but at this point I don't know of any, and so at this point it looks as.

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If we would have to take on debt in order to do something like this, if we.

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Want, yes, we certainly would you said, debt service was 2 million.

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Annually, on the order of 2 million, just you know, thumbnail estimate was like 1.9.

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But okay, well, it all depends on how it comes in great. Thank you. That's one for.

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Simms thank you report, mr. kelson, with the methane that is generated being a.

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Potential fuel source has there been discussion with retrofitting vehicles in.

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Order to use that, what would you know we really can't retrofit them? That's not.

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Very cost-effective what would happen it would happen over vehicle replacement.

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Cycles so we would identify vehicles, say buses and so forth. That might be able to.

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Use compressed natural gas as a fuel. The best way to do it, as I said, is to put it.

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On the pipeline and then and then buy it back where we need it, okay and that's my.

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Next question you said: put it in a pipeline? Explain that to me the line to.

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Where and what well the vectren pipeline that goes to city, okay, yeah, we would.

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Have to discharge it somewhere, like I thought that was a market pipe on you.

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Pipe it somewhere to sell it or no okay. Okay, thank you.

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We're at 10 minutes for dialogue, question for customer clarity; the.

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Question about, if we used, you see me over article, that's happened at the.

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Dublin plant, if we generated electricity instead of pumping it onto the gas grid,.

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Would that require additional capital outlay in terms of some sort of to run.

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And facility to generate electricity, and what would that look like it would? The the capital outlay would be would be pretty significant on that, but.

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If we were to connect to the pipeline of the the, I think, the connection fee.

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That's been suggested to me is on the order of a million bucks.

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So there there's there are costs going that way too.

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We also would have to treat the gretta the gas before we could sell it so, but.

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The big benefit might be the credits, that's where the the benefit would lie.

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And if I make, I make one more statement, really quick: the the debt service number.

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Of around 2 million is about 8% of our totals wastewater revenue, so it'd be.

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Like an 8 percent rate increase and I'll stop now, thank you. Everyone. Thank you.

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Mr. kelson and administration for excellent presentations, we appreciate.

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Them very much we go now to committee reports.

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Anybody with a report customer sandberg- I think he wanted to report here- the.

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Plan commission of course meets the second monday of every month and monday.

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Of this week we had two important items on our agenda that I'm happy to report.

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Past eight to zero unanimously by the plan, commissioners, the first being the.

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Adoption draft of the unified development ordinance we had several.

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Options ahead of us and the planning commission chose the second, which was to.

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Approve the draft as amended, and so that is further closure and we're that much.

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Closer to getting the you do completed with our mapping, that will continue this.

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Year, but that was number one on the agenda number two is the trinity's.

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Development, which is a pud on arlington park, drive and arlington road. This is.

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Not the same trinet oz project that we saw come before us in 2018 that this.

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Body rejected since that time they have done some amazing work with our planning.

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Staff in configuring, a good project that has such diverse housing in so many.

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Exciting areas that this one's going to be really hard to improve upon our first.

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Hearing was december 9th and even from that hearing planning commission made.

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Several recommendations that the petitioners did act on to make it even.

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Better and so by the time it came to us on monday, we were all pretty excited.

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About what what we have in front of us, I don't want to get into a lot of detail.

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Because I understand this project is going to come before us in an internal.

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Work session soon, but what is exciting is there are four areas of housing in.

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This project and area a is probably the most exciting, at least from my point of.

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View it is, this is going to be 45 units, that's going to be prepared and.

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Designated and given and back to the city of bloomington to develop as we.

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Will for affordable housing and we've also asked that that be done in phase.

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One so area a will be done quickly. Area b is going to include 162 townhomes on.

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7.11 acres area c is going to be more of a student.

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Residential multi-story unit and then area d will be developed as cottages and.

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112 duplex units, so the kind of housing that we've all been asking for and.

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Pushing for in the you do is contained in this pud again. There are many other.

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Details that the petitioners to nataas work very carefully with the planning.

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Commission and staff to get right, including some buffering and some.

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Additional improvements to this project so again it's coming to us with a.

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Positive recommendation from the planning commission, but I would I would.

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Hope that if you have any detailed technical questions, you might save them.

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For a work session, when our plan staff can be here in more detail to answer.

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Them. Thank you thanks very much any other committee.

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Reports seeing none we'll go to reports from the public, we'll have 20 minutes.

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Public comment: can I see a show of hands who's planning to make public comment.

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Tonight, all right on something out of the agenda. Please go.

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Ahead and speak you'll have five minutes: hi, I'm greg alexander. I just delivered.

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What I was gonna, so I want to preface this with a little bit from the 2008.

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Greenway system plan it was passed by this body in 2008 as a resolution as a.

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Planning document not as binding legislation, and it has a section on.

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Sidewalk maintenance- and it says maintenance may include repairing cracks.

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And holes and bicycle pedestrian facility surface removing dead or.

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Dangerous tree limbs and regular pruning of vegetation along the bicycle and.

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Pedestrian facility removing snow and ice, and then it it says whose job that.

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Is it says, maintenance of bicycle and pedestrian facilities within the road.

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Right-Of-Way, including bike lanes, side paths, connector paths and sidewalks will.

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Be the responsibility of the public works department so that that.

L

And so I guys story now. My kid was born on new year's. So a lot of times the.

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Doctor wants us to like an annual checkup that tends to happen in snow and.

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So twice we've wound up walking in the snow to get there. Last year I was lazy.

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About it and I decided to take the bus and the surprising part of taking the.

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Bus is that somebody transferred and got on the same, the three outbound and they.

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Also young family with a kid, and it turns out they're going to the same.

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Doctor I am out on landmark and third street I'm on that bus because I'm I'm a.

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Jerk I'm going against the flow. I got plenty of money for a car, but I want to.

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Live differently, but I I'm just gonna go out on limb and I'm gonna say they were.

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Probably on that bus because they couldn't afford a car, and so we got that.

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Bus stops about a block and a half, maybe two blocks from the doctor. Pretty.

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Convenient really but it's january- and it was last year not this year and there.

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Was a lot of snow there's about six inches of snow and on the sidewalk, the.

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Snow plow is along west third street. You know that the highway style west third.

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Street the snow plow isn't pushed all that snow out of the sidewalk, and it's not, I don't know if you've been on the beeline when the snow gets really backed down. It wasn't like that. You know it was like it.

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Was like walking on riprap like that eight-inch kind of mini boulders, that.

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They used to stabilize the hillsides, you know, because the snowplow compact it.

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Turns it kind of into a rock, and then it breaks it into pieces and puts it on the side of the road, and it was more than a foot deep across the entire sidewalk. It.

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Was really a technical challenge to navigate and they had they brought bless.

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Their hearts, they brought a stroller and they could have used the stroller state.

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Law actually says in that situation: you're allowed to walk in the road if you want to, I didn't want to, and they didn't want to I've seen people walk in.

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The road there when there was snow on the sidewalks on west third street, but.

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They didn't, and so they dragged their stroller and they carried their kid and they tried not to fall and really kind of a harrowing experience. And then I have to cross my search feet which never very much fun, and you know you already.

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As a policy as a goal 11 years ago decided this question we're where public.

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Works will maintain sidewalks. I I wound up talking on the phone to mr.

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Waysand record public works and spices say we don't have a very good.

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Relationship but I suggested that if they can't clear the sidewalks they at.

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Least, shouldn't push a foot and a half of extra snow onto the sidewalks and he.

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Literally laughed- and I remember last week, councilmember sandberg said.

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Discussing the committee's change that it's important, that the sidewalk or that.

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Them sorry that the council have a good working relationship with city staff and.

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I do think that's important. I don't have a good relationship with city staff as a.

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Sidewalk user, as somebody who walks with my kid to the doctor on west third.

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Street I do not have a good relationship with public works. Okay, I'm a jerk.

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Whatever I nobodies it has to like me, but this other family they were just.

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They just didn't have money and they didn't have a very good relationship.

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With public works that day either, and I really don't know what to say, I'm just.

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So disappointed last year and nothing happened. I know this is only a second.

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Week for you guys, I want something to happen, maybe this week or next week I.

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Really, I don't see why this has to take forever when they closed the sidewalk on.

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Roger street, the right way there is more than 30 feet wide. It's enough for free.

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Cars for cars- it's actually enough for five cars across if they're, if they're.

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Touching and they close the sidewalk, you know they said. Oh, we can't. We can't take.

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A row of parking to not close the sidewalk, this close, the sidewalk like we.

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Need to demand better and I guess that's all. I've got.

L

Thanks. Thank you, mr. alexander's. Any other public comment seeing none we'll.

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Move to legislation for second reading and resolutions. Oh so I'm sorry, I missed.

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That, yes, I have one. Are there any.

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Appointments, yes, mr. president, we have one recommendation for the commission on.

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Sustainability, we would like to recommend bronson best needs. A second.

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Motion in a second all in favor, say aye, I oppose say, nay. Mr. bass has approved.

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Their compliments wish him luck. Any other appointments.

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Seeing none now we will go to legislation for second reading and.

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Resolutions ordinance 20, oh to be introduced to read by title and synopsis.

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Only motion is, second, all in favor, say aye opposed, say, nay. Will the clerk.

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Please read ordinance 2002 final approval to issue economic development.

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Notes and lend the proceeds for the renovation of affordable housing.

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Regarding walnut woods, 818 east miller drive and the reverend butler apartments.

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1202 west 11th street bloomington re di lp petitioner. The synopsis is as follows:.

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Lauren in 2002 authorizes the city of bloomington to issue up to 11 million.

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Dollars in aggregate principal amount of its city of bloomington, indiana, economic.

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Development revenue note series 2020, a walnut woods, reverend butler project and.

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Its city of bloomington indiana economic development revenue, note series 2020, b.

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Walnut woods, reverend butler project collectively the notes in one or more.

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Series and approving and authorizing other actions and respect there to your.

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Committee recommendation was eight zero zero. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved.

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That ordinance 2002 be adopted. A motion in a second mr. allen is here to present.

B

Mr. allen, just briefly, these are economic development bonds just to.

N

Reiterate that will enable us to renovate some public housing. That's.

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Going into a new program, the rad program from the bloomington housing authority.

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This is not to exceed eleven million dollars, as I believe you said, but the.

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Total investment will be somewhere in the neighborhood of seventeen point.

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Seven million dollars. If you look at section five of the loan agreement, it.

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Specifically specifies that in these instances the city does not bear any.

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General obligation for these bonds, we don't back it up. It's backed up by the.

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Project, what we are doing essentially is lending our tax exempt status and our.

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Status as a public entity to do these economic.

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Development past through bonds. Otherwise, if you have any questions about the.

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Project specifically, we have representative from the bloomington housing authority here and I'm happy to take any questions that the council members may have. Thank you before I go to questions. What does the red project.

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Stand for what does rit mean? Oh, that's. A great question might as well hear from.

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Hi, I'm bruce cobia executive director, the bloomington housing authority, our ad.

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Is the rental assistance demonstration program it was passed by the us.

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Department of housing and urban development well, as passed by congress.

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In 2012 and then has been a way that housing authorities can gain access to.

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Additional capital from the private market through something like tax.

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Credits or loans or bonds as a way to renovate their affordable housing stock.

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And also switch it from a more reliable public subsidy program called the.

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Housing choice, voucher or section 8 funding platform, which is a lot more.

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Stable and predictable than public housing subsidy. Thank you well good.

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Night of questions from members, councilmember flaherty, miss gopi and.

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With the rad program and switching to more of a housing choice, voucher type.

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Model is there a difference versus public housing in terms of how utilities.

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Are paid, forgive migrants, but my understanding was in typically with.

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Public housing utilities are included in what's paid, whereas with with section 8.

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Or housing choice vouchers- that's usually not the case, and that can be an issue where you know. If we aren't careful about energy efficiency and.

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Other measures that can really be a burden for folks, so I'm curious about.

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That possible impact with the use of our transition to red okay. So my first part.

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Of the answer is just overall what it might look like in public housing.

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Authorities across the country, many of them converting to something like this.

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Rad program would put the utility payments on the tenant, and so the.

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Tenants responsible for the utility bills, however, there is a way within the.

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Program to calculate utility assistance, if needed, for us in bloomington we've.

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Always paid the utilities, the housing authority has paid them and will.

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Continue to pay them after we do this conversion. We've had a lot of feedback.

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From residents about that, they really value that predictability and just not.

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Having distress of a separate utility payment that you know, you have a cold.

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Winter, your heat bill goes up and how to budget for that, so we plan to continue.

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Paying the utility costs and we're also working on installing energy efficiency.

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Furnace cooling systems, reducing water usage, all of those energy saving type.

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Measures as much as we can, since we are paying the bill and hopefully educating.

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Residents about utility savings in ways they can help eliminate some of those.

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Excessive costs- that's great. Thank you for clarifying further questions to my.

B

Right, that's member smith! Well we're weren't.

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Questions there's an opportunity for coming, no other, quite and customer simms.

B

Thank you. I was just curious as far as the rents versus the utilities. What.

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Percentage of that do you do you have an idea. The percentage of the utilities.

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Cost on the overall rent since they pay one fee, but you, your authority pays the.

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Utilities, so what is that percentage? Roughly, if you know we, we master meter.

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Everything, so I don't really know specifically unit to unit, because I'm.

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Pay like a bulk overall, your cost. Do you have any estimate? Oh yeah, it's not.

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Individual but yeah the overall apart a couple hundred thousand dollars a year.

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For reverend butler and walnut woods alone and utility costs and then our.

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Other projects, crest mont, could be close to three hundred thousand dollars a year.

O

Or more in utility costs? Okay, do you have an idea of the percentage of that.

K

Cost of the overall revenue that you're getting and- and we can talk later- I mean.

K

I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but I was since you pay that I want to know.

K

What the percentage of the overall cost was, which is which is a resident benefit.

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I think I'd have to do the math on that, but it is probably well. I don't even.

O

Want to say it okay, I guess, but I can look it up for you and get back to you.

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On that, that's fine! It's not it's not urgent! It's something that concerned me.

K

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Further questions.

G

Customer smith, sorry we'll other stock in bloomington housing authority.

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Affordable housing will other ones be converted in a similar process and is.

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That a scheduled process that happens over the years, so our plan is to do a.

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Portfolio conversion so walnut woods and reverend butler two of the communities.

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We operate and then starting this summer will we'll start thinking about pre.

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Development work and how to finance the renovations for chris mont, which is our.

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Largest community 196 units- thank you and then after that's done, we won't have.

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Any more public housing in bloomington it'll all be transition to this platform.

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We'll have better financial stability and totally renovated units. I'm gonna.

B

Take a chance, did you say we will have no more public housing nope, I mean what.

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Does that mean you won't have a job? Is that I don't understand now we'll be.

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We'll be operating, reverend butler, walnut woods and crest, mont, the housing.

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Authority will still be the management agent and we'll be creating these.

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Ownership structures with tax credit and investor for a limited period of time, the housing authority will still own the land and.

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Then these ownership structures with the tax card investor, owns the improvements.

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And my staff at the housing authority, especially with in maintenance and.

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Property management will operate these programs and we'll also have a voucher.

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Program so we'll still be administering over 1300 housing choice vouchers so.

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Still have a housing authority, you just won't have a public housing program. It.

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Won't be defined as public housing in bloomington, but the structures will all.

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Still be there they're just funded through a different program. So while.

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We're here I've been reading lately about the.

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Difficulty that some people who have vouchers have in finding housing in.

B

Other cities, to what extent what you say, that's a problem here and you know how.

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Concerned should we be about that potential problem that landlords tend to.

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Refuse people with vouchers it's an issue. There are a couple things.

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Happening in the market right now, there are some projects being renovated.

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Limestone crossing is one and also, I think it's called college square.

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Formerly, walnut grove they're doing renovations, therefore, they're holding.

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Some vacancies to do those renovations and they're not leasing, quite as strong.

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As they were, but hopefully those are will be finished soon and we'll be able.

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To see an increase in about your usage on those programs, a little bit of the iu.

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Dorm, that's put some pressure on the rental market source. You know kind of.

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Trickles down a little bit to our clients, but it is a concern. I think that.

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As the housing authority, property owners and landlords are also our customers and.

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So we're always looking for ways to do better customer service to look at our.

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Payment standard, so that's the maximum amount of housing assistance, the housing.

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Authority will pay on behalf of our families. We try to be as competitive.

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With those as we can, knowing that burtie owners, you know have to have some.

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Level of income to help maintain their properties and again we try to just be.

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Good good partners and good customer service folks for those property owners.

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Yeah, we're always looking to do outreach and working also with our voucher.

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Families that they're going out and meeting with folks talking about the.

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Benefits of being about your program, participants, landlord, and you know.

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Trying to also recruit new property owners that way, so it's a lot of.

O

Different efforts going on at one time: I don't envy your your task, so thank you.

B

Very much any further questions before we go to public comment. Seeing none we'll go to the public for comment on ordinance, 2002.

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Does any comment please come to the podium? You'll have five minutes hi, I'm.

L

Greg alexander the horse still walks, so I still beat it. Poor people walk.

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Anywhere, you see public housing, subsidized housing, section, eight housing.

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You'll see people walking and the miller street walnut whatever is is it's.

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Essentially, on a cul-de-sac, so if they are gonna go anywhere, you know I'm sure.

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As a way to cut through a gap, an offense or something, but if they're gonna go anywhere, they're gonna walk on on miller, drive there and miller drive has a good amount of car traffic. For that reason, drivers have.

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That same choice and if you go east of the eight one, eight east miller, then.

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You'll see that there is sidewalk on the south side of the street, but it's not on.

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The north side and if you're taking the one bus does run right-right there and.

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If you're taking the bus to downtown, you can catch it on the south side of the.

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Street, where there's sidewalk, if you're taking it from downtown it's going to.

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Drop you up on the north side of the street. You can waste about a half hour.

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And it'll drop you on this outside street, but so you're gonna have to cross.

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Or is no crosswalk, there's no sidewalk there's! No. If you wanted to go to the.

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North side and miller drive it, wouldn't it wouldn't accommodate that that.

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Behavior you'd be walking in the street or you'd be walking in the mud and if.

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You go if you continue east on miller, drive, there's no sidewalk on the south.

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Side now the sidewalk is on the north side. I hope you saw that coming because that's the story, if you ever walk in.

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Bloomington, if there is only sidewalk on one side of the street, it's the side. You.

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Don't need and it changes next block, and so you have to cross again. It's just an.

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Example, you know adam wastin just said that we built somewhere on the order of.

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30,000 linear feet of sidewalks last year. I think that's a little bit of an.

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Overstatement but we're at least a quarter million linear feet behind just.

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To have a basic network within you know, miller drive is not the other side of.

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The planet, this is basically walking distance to downtown if you're, ambitious.

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And the idea that their site connected sidewalks out there is a joke. You know.

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Adam wilson had a map and all those green lines on the map, every one of them.

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Had little 100 foot gaps in it and you don't notice that, because it's so zoomed.

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Out but those little gaps, the sidewalk doesn't connect, and so the people who.

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Live in these projects are gonna wind up walking in the street, because there's no.

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Sidewalks. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any further public comment on ordinance.

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2002, seeing none we'll come back to the council for debate, so anyone who has a.

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Comment on ordinance, 2002 councillor smith. Did you want to say something.

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Didn't want to say that amber in bloomington housing authority, you do a.

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Really important work in our community, so thank you very much any other comment.

B

An ordinance 2002 customer flirty response to mr. alexander's comment. I.

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Think his point is well-taken, we know well from census data and otherwise that.

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It is, in fact, the poorest people are communities who walk and bike and take.

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Transit and highest percentages: these are real equity issues and public safety.

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Issues and while I appreciate mr. wilson's presentation earlier tonight, I.

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Think there are some fundamental problems with with the amount of funding.

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We give to improve our pedestrian safety and access, and it's something we should definitely be keeping in mind in the.

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Context of public housing or housing, choice, vouchers in particular and and.

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Something we'll probably need to consider ongoing in terms of how to change our revenue stream and funding sources for how we, how we address those.

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Things so not not directly what the ordinance exactly, but I think, related an.

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Important point to keep in mind going forward. Thank you, councillor, flaherty.

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Any other debate or emotion, we have a motion in a second will. The clerk please.

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Call the roll on ordinance, 2002, councilmember, rollo, scam, burglary, yeah.

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Frozen burger, yes, simms! Yes, yes, few months, man, yes, clarity! Yes,.

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Smith, yes, sandburg, yes, that passes 9-0. Thank you for the presentation.

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And we now we'll move on to legislation for first reading ordinance 2003 be.

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Introduced and read by title and synopsis only motion and second all in.

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Favor say aye hi opposed, say, nay. Will the clerk please.

B

Read yo 3 to amend title 4 of the bloomington municipal code entitled.

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Business licenses and regulations regarding adding chapter 4.3 to.

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Non-Consensual towing businesses, the synopsis is as follows. This ordinance.

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Initiated and shaped by the efforts of former councilmember andy ruff and.

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Former councilmember dorothy granger amends bloomington municipal code, title.

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4 by adding a new chapter 4.3 to to provide for the licensing and regulation.

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Of towing companies that engage in the practice of non-consensual tows, the.

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Ordinance pro includes provisions related to licensing requirements.

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Insurance coverage, signage requirements, p limitations and the retrieval of towed.

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Vehicles among other provisions, the purpose of this ordinance is to increase.

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Community safety and protect residents from the harmful effects.

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Associated with predatory commercial, private towing, thank you. We now move to.

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Additional public comment: this is 25 minutes set aside for comments on items.

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Not on the agenda, if people have not yet spoken, is there any public comment.

B

Seeing none we'll go now to issues regarding our schedule. Mr. sherman.

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First, let's see a show of hands of who would be interested in attending that.

B

Work session on the 24th 24th, we have more than enough to hold the session if.

B

There are any other items. That means we don't have to have them tonight, right.

B

Right but if there's going to discuss and workers, and that is stapled to for.

P

Potential stands I'm here in 20 minutes. Last week we decided to hold a special.

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Session on the 29th as well to further.

P

So, two days ago, last week we suggest you schedule the asbestos special session.

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For 6:30, at the end of the landers committee tonight, for those sense of.

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Whether there's a need for a second.

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We have time to discuss it. If there's any one who wants to comment on the idea.

B

The scheduled for january 29th, that's over piedmont, smith, yeah. I think.

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It's highly likely that we will want a second land use committee meeting on the.

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Pud before us tonight, and so I would appreciate moving the regular session to.

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8 o'clock or we might do 7:45, I don't know it, we could start as early as 5:30.

F

I think for land use, but it will take 2 hours, so it'd be nice to have a break in.

F

Between there any other comments on scheduling, I will say that we have never.

B

Gone beyond 2 hours in lanny's committee at any one meeting and 5:30 is a little.

B

Early sometimes, I would just assume do 6 o'clock.

B

Land use an 8 o'clock special session. If we turn out to need, I mean I am content.

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To wait until we see what the result of this meeting tonight is going to be, and.

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Also it'll give us a chance to ask staff whether they have a preference as to.

B

Earlier late meeting, if there's no other time constraint on it so but the the.

B

Most significant reason to put the land use committee first is that they are at.

B

Least by our rules still time limited, whereas the special sessions committee.

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The whole or not, there's no, we have no rule to limit those and we have had the.

B

Case before, where a community the whole or a regular session came before the.

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Standing committee and went an indefinite period of time, so you know I.

B

Would prefer to put the the committee before the regular session, but.

B

Mr. sherman, I guess the question would be: when do we change the schedule if we.

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Determined at the end of landy's committee tonight that we want to change.

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The schedule for the 29th.

P

I might suggest that we don't have to characterize it as no earlier than that.

B

If the special session today, two o'clock, the committee has to finish its work before eight o'clock, so we can figure the committee time later.

B

Is that correct? Can we figure out the committee time later and just fix the.

B

Time with the special session at 8:00 p.m. okay got, it understood mr. simms.

B

Thank you, I didn't review my schedule. Do you have a sense for how many agenda.

K

Items will be on the regular session 29th.

K

Thank you sara motion to change the time. If not we'll move on, I move that we.

F

Changed I mean, is there any other? Any other motion is in order before.

B

Adjournment I yes, I wanted to move that we changed the time of the special.

F

Session on january, 29th to 8:00 o'clock needs a second motion. A second is there.

B

Limited debate I believe, on this motion. Is there any comment on the motion to.

B

Change time, councillor bird rosenberger, if we're having land you said at 5:30, is.

Q

That what we're thinking it on the 29th.

B

The I personally would not want to schedule a meeting this longer than two.

B

Hours I try to put 15 minutes between meetings, so 5:45 to 7:45 would be a.

B

Reasonable amount of time for that second meeting, if we feel we need that.

B

Much time, okay yeah, I think just keeping them as close together as possible, would.

Q

Be ideal? Okay, any other comments on the motion.

B

We have a motion, a second will. The clerk, please call the roll.

M

Council members campbell larry, rosen parker, yes, simms,.

M

Yes, boland, yes, peanut smith; yes, clarity! Yes, smith! Yes, sandburg! Yes, rallo.

M

Yeah motion passes nine zero. The special.

B

Session will be scheduled for 8:00 p.m. on january, the 29th and the land use.

B

Committee will be scheduled accordingly, mr. sherman. Yes, please, everyone stick.

B

Around for the photo without any other business, is there a motion to adjourn.

B

The motion, second, all in favor, say aye hi. We are adjourned. Please stick around.

B

For the photo, the atlantis committee meeting will start at 8:00 p.m.

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