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The
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by
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minneapolis
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Hello,
my
name
is
richard
derson.
I
live
in
elm
heights
and
I
urge
that
the
city
council
vote.
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For
amendment
four,
I
really
like
what
jeff
richardson
said
and
eric
kind
of
echoed
a.
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as
well,
it's
sensible
it's
an
option
to
make
home
ownership
affordable.
That's
it.
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Next,
we
have
deidre
todd
who
should
be
able
to
unmute.
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Little
research
and
I
did
some
major
cities
in
indiana
fort
wayne
per
square
mile.
The.
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C
There
are
no
more
hands
raised
presently
I
have
oh
excuse
me.
I
spoke
too
soon
peter
bogdanoff.
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L
Affordable
housing
doesn't
just
a
call
a
cure
in
a
in
a
vacuum.
It's
something
that
is,
you
know.
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L
This
argument,
I
don't
really
think
it
is
about
creating
affordability.
I
think
it
is
about.
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L
We
would
like
to
see
them
be
able
to
stay
in
place
near
us.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
don't.
L
Continue
to
prioritize,
you
know
one
housing,
one
type
of
housing
which
can
honestly
be
mcmansions.
L
We
are
a
community
with
a
lot
of
expertise.
Some
of
these
folks
that
are
talking
just
didn't.
L
So
it's
really
difficult
when
I
hear
folks
that
are
in
homes
and
folks
that.
L
For
me,
I
think
that
if
someone
feels
like
a
duplex
is
the
type
of
home
they
want
to.
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M
Thank
you,
president
sims.
This
is
the
only
means
at
our
disposal
to
ensure
affordability
by
plexing.
M
In
the
market,
this
amendment
was
vetted
and
worked
on
by
carrie
thompson.
M
20
26
year
career,
former
ceo
of
habitat
for
humanity,
and
she
believes
it
is
workable.
M
Convinces
me
that
it
is
possible
to
make
profit
with
this
amendment.
M
The
market
rentals
will
provide
affordable
housing,
but
I
think
that
we've
all
now
been
you
know.
M
Counseled,
even
by
staff
which,
formerly
and
and
the
mayor
which
advertised
that
this
would.
M
M
So,
yes,
it
limits
plexus
to
two
bedrooms
per
plex,
but
that
coincides
with
many
of.
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M
The
workforce
housing
we're
looking
for.
If
we
don't
employ
this
at
this
point,
then
we
simply.
A
Member
sandberg,
thank
you,
president
sims.
If
I
may,
I
have
a
question
and
this
needs
to
be
directed.
N
N
I
will
defer
or
ask
our
parliamentarian
to
get
him
to
become
involved
with
this.
I
think
we're
in.
A
O
Opportunity
for
all
commenters,
even
those
who
may
have
been
helpful
in
drafting
a
proposal.
O
For
council
members,
I
certainly
would
welcome
the
clarification
via
email
or
otherwise,
but.
A
I'm
just
not
sure
about
how
proper
that
is,
and
I'm
not
so
sure
what
it
is
she
wants
to
rebut.
N
A
A
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
see
you
okay
now
I
do.
A
Miss
thompson
should
be
able
to
unmute
and
I'll
start
the
time
for
one
minute.
Thank
you.
P
Yes,
so
I
just
wanted
to
correct
the
record
that
habitat
homeowners
are
not
required.
P
To
sell
their
homes
back
to
habitat,
they
are,
they
have
the
opportunity
to
sell
them.
P
On
the
open
market,
there
are
shared
equity
agreements
for
a
number
of
years.
P
But
after
that
the
homeowner
gets
full
equity
in
that
house.
Thank
you.
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A
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
Something
that
some
opponents
call
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing,
but
at
market
rate.
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O
O
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Q
Yeah,
I
don't
buy
the
premise
that
if
I
care
about
affordable
housing,
I
should
vote
for
this.
Q
Amendment
I
reject
that
premise
completely.
I
believe,
as
councilmember
flaherty
has
pointed
out,.
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Q
City,
which,
as
jackie
scanlan
pointed
out,
is
less
than
one
percent
of
all
properties
that.
Q
And
I
do
support
affordable
housing.
I
have
personally
negotiated
with.
Q
Developers
to
get
affordable
units
in
multi-family
housing
projects,
I
think
throwing
out.
Q
A
Councilman
piedmont
smith:
before
we
go
to
council
member
smith,
what
I'd
like
to
do
and
again
this.
A
Was
not
normal
by
any
means,
and
I
will
discuss
it
with
my
parliamentarian
and
our
council
staff.
A
The
fair
thing
to
do
and
then
we'll
move
forward
so
is
ms
scanlon.
Are
you
present.
R
She
doesn't
recall
necessarily
addressing
the
habitat
issue
of
whether
or
not
they're.
R
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S
To
live
there
and
work
there,
you
see
well,
there's
an
issue
with
our
local
police.
They
have.
S
A
hard
time
buying
a
home
here
so
they
may
live
in
ellisville.
Our
firemen
may
live.
S
In
ellisville,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
different
issues
that
are
going
on.
Cities
can't
afford.
S
The
people
who
can't
afford
to
live
there
and
bloomington
we
have
this
trend.
Now,
that's
going
on.
S
And
it
mirrors
some
of
the
national
trends
that
real
estate,
rental
and
homes
are
becoming
so.
S
S
Students
and
you
see
again,
yeah
trinitas
in
the
marketplace
is
a
great
example
of.
What's
going
on.
S
It's
not
it's
not
affordable.
So
in
a
way,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
trying
to
mitigate.
S
Well-Meaning
amendment
that
I
will
be
supporting
tonight
and
I.
S
I
hope
that
other
council
members
will
help
in
passing
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
council
member
smith.
Any
further
comments
from
council
members.
T
Thank
you.
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
amendment
tonight,
mostly
I'm
in
agreement
with.
T
T
Already
limited
is
enough:
we've
also
just
allowed
quads
and
triplexes
from
these
zones.
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T
T
T
T
The
administration
could
do
that
in
the
future.
So
you
know
that
means
regulating
both
more.
T
T
Two
houses
is
basically
the
same
as
one
house
in
my
book,
so
I'm
okay
with
treating
them.
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V
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
again
to
all
of
my
colleagues
all
of
you,
and
especially
thank.
V
You
to
the
public
for
for
being
part
of
this
conversation
so
persistently
and
for
helping.
V
V
V
V
V
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
can't
remember
sandberg
yes
in
bringing
forward
this
amendment.
N
This
community,
and
so
all
of
the
impugning
of
motives
aside,
rest
assured
that
all.
N
N
A
Tools,
if
I
can
just
piggyback
a
little
bit,
is
councilmember
ron,
smith's
idea
of
doing
something.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Rules-
I
I
would
say
most
to
the
letter
of
the
suspended
rules
that
we
agreed
on
would
be.
O
To
have
a
three-minute
limit
per
council
member,
including
multiple
bytes,
so
to
speak,
if,
if
you.
O
Say
that
we've
been
a
little
bit
fluid
with
this.
You
know
after
amendment
one
we
had
allowed.
O
Four
minutes,
based
on
the
sort
of
accidental
first
comment,
going
to
four
minutes,
and
also
I.
O
We
had
some
level
of
of
rebuttal
or
a
second
comment
and
debate
on
a
previous
amendment.
O
Those
are
my
two
cents
well,
that
would
be
so
take
about
30
seconds
point
of
order.
Mr
president,.
A
Yes,
councilman
baldwin.
I
am
quite
confident
that
we've
never
passed
a
motion
limiting
debate.
U
That
that
limited
the
number
of
times
that
somebody
could
speak
to
an
issue.
O
I
would
just
note
as
a
point
of
clarification
as
a
parliamentary
matter.
I
agree
with.
O
Not
specify
whether
or
not
a
second
comment
and
debate
was
part
of
that
limit.
I
would
sort
of.
O
Assume
it
is,
but
again
I
think,
there's
some
we've
had
some
fluidity
with
that
point
of.
M
A
M
Adhere
to
the
comprehensive
plan
and
this
process
doesn't
am
I
excited
about
plexus
everywhere?
No.
M
A
M
Those
two
criteria
involve
traffic
and
adverse
impacts,
specifically.
M
The
section
that
includes
the
pre-submittal
neighborhood
meetings
will
be
amended
such
that.
M
N
N
Was
made
conditional
use
by
amendment
two?
This
will
get
added
to
e
review
and
decision
when.
N
N
And
then
it
quotes
that
section.
So
these
these
additional
things
for
the
bza
to
consider.
N
Points
and
their
stressors
with
respect
to
traffic
and
parking
and
and
over
occupancy
and
density.
A
Sorry
I
have
done
myself.
Thank
you
very,
very
much,
we'll
now
go
to
council
members
for
questions.
U
X
X
Uses
so
when
the
new
udo
was
reviewed
and
adopted
by
this
body,
those
requirements
were.
X
So
if
we
add
them
here,
where
it's
being
proposed,
we
will
be
regulating
duplexes
much
more.
X
Uses
and
duplexes
are
one
of
the
most
innocuous
on
that
list.
If
this
is
approved,
this
will
also.
X
Duplexes
are
a
residential
use
that
provision
which
is
common
and,
of
course,
we
did
used
to.
X
X
Maybe
pretty
unlikely
in
most
places
in
this
town?
Does
the
existing
code
cover
the
few
cases.
X
X
X
Meaning
that,
if
the
that,
if
someone
can
show
that
the
use
will
that
the
area
does
not
have.
X
Adequate
public
service
and
facility
capacity
that
the
roads
cannot
take
the
traffic
caused
by
one.
X
X
Would
have
to
be
receptive
to
neighbors,
however,
in
the
existing
regulations
for
conditional
uses.
X
X
Again,
it
is
if
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
does
not
feel
that
the
petitioner
is
doing
that
they
do.
X
Department
is
opposed
to
amendment.
Five
does
think
that
the
actual
solution
to
the
issues.
X
We've
seen
raised
is
for
a
potential
change
to
the
general
conditional
use
requirements.
Things.
A
Thank
you,
miss
gandon,
councilmember
vollen.
Would
you
wish
to
continue
I'd
like
to
ask
my.
U
Who
want
to
introduce
the
word
undo?
Can
you
please
define
it
to
the
best
of
your
abilities.
N
Previous
udo,
under
the
discretionary
criteria
to
be
used
in
an
indeterminate
conditional.
N
And
so,
therefore,
this
is
to
be
determined
in
these.
These
free
these,
these
neighborhood.
N
N
Q
V
So
well
he's
the
council
member,
although
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
what
ms
ganlin
said
so.
M
Ms
ganlin,
your
objection
is
that
this
language,
although
it
appeared
in
the
form
of
udo
and
so
was.
M
Applicable
now
is
not,
but
you
would
support
it
as
a
criteria
for
evaluating
other
uses.
X
We
object
to
adding
the
regulation
in
in
the
process
of
the
2019-2020
update.
X
The
usa,
the
youth
standards,
the
conditional
use
criteria
were
changed
and
that
we
felt.
X
That
would
be
to
change,
discuss,
changing
the
entirety
of
the
general
criteria,
not
adding.
X
These
specifically
to
one
use
did
that
question.
Okay,
thanks.
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
thank.
A
Q
Thank
you.
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
the
sponsors.
Q
Prove
that
a
development
will
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
N
That
that
very
very
well
could
be
a
remedy
to
actually
take
a
look
at
the
neighbors
concerns.
N
Q
And
then
they
could
walk
it,
they
could.
They
could
ask
for
a
traffic
study.
N
X
The
meeting
is
already
required
that
was
part
of
the
petition.
That
was
part
of
the
amendment.
X
X
M
On
the
street
consists
of
or
do
or
doing
or
or
simply
counting
the
traffic
in
the
street.
That's.
M
M
Sure
that
this
doesn't
exacerbate
it,
so
this
is
really
constituent-driven.
I
mean
it
is
language.
Q
Q
Q
A
Sorry,
I'm
meeting
myself
I'll
take
a
bite
out,
but
that's
okay,
then
member
gambler
and.
N
For
them
to
have
a
reaction
as
to
how
that's
going
to
impact
the
the
the
adjoining
properties.
M
Adverse
impacts
from
high
rentals
and
driven
by
a
student
market.
M
M
Measures
of
adverse
impacts-
I
I
frankly
don't
find
this
controversial.
M
I
think
that
this
is
just
the
conduit
for
better
communication.
Well,
I
will
say.
A
M
Didn't
find
it
controversial,
did
we
no
that's?
Okay,
we
heard
already
from
staff
on
that
position.
A
Council
members
gambler
yes
and
thank
you
for
giving
me
some
time
to
organize
my
thoughts.
V
And
I
just
need
to
be
walked
through
it
a
little
more
explicitly.
There
are
three
conditions.
V
X
X
X
X
Specific
and
hard
to
actually
make
findings
for
for
petitioners,
so
I
believe
that's
why
they.
X
Were
generalized
and
put
in
the
code
as
they
are
now
again
under
the
conditional
use
criteria.
X
Under
common
review
procedure,
so
is
it
the
the
phrase?
Burden
of
proof
keeps
running.
V
For
the
most
part,
okay,
I
would
say
so
and
then
I
don't
know
if
mr
rooker's
here,
if
he
would.
X
Correct
me
on
that,
oh
he's
not
he's
only
as
a
guest,
but
let's
see
sorry
about
that.
U
Yes,
the
most
egregious
example
of
local
congestion-
I
can
think
of
is
being
discussed.
N
N
N
For
a
neighborhood
that
already
has
congestion
issues,
I
think
that's
fair
to
to
just
have
this.
N
For
the
bza,
this
puts
that
back
on
the
table
for
a
possible
discussion.
Okay,
and
so
I
think,
that's.
N
U
Was
that
that's
my
point,
but
as
follow-up
does,
do
the
sponsors
see
the
potential
result.
N
U
U
Might
be
a
result
of
or
or
is
it
just
a
matter
of,
approving
the
duplex
at
all
or
not
approving
it.
N
It's
to
allow
the
neighbors
to
voice
any
concern
and
possibly
have
the
the
developer.
N
O
For
the
presentation
amendment
sponsors
am,
I
am,
I
understanding
the
sponsor's
reasoning.
N
M
Think
that's
that
that
the
core
neighborhoods
are
yes,
and
this
is
this
is
why
affordability.
M
M
M
Really,
I
think
the
reply
was
a
non-secondary
respectively.
I,
following
up
where
that.
O
O
O
O
N
N
N
N
Presented
here
about
being
negative
toward
single-family
detached
homes,
that's
not
what
we're.
N
By
residents
by
constituents,
people
I
visited
recently
has
to
do
with
the
the
additional.
N
N
The
the
congestion
on
the
streets-
okay,
thanks,
I
would
just
I
would
just
also
add
councilmember.
M
Flaherty
that
you
know
we
do
have
an
expiration
date
on
the
time
in
150-foot
buffer
and
so.
O
Incremental
housing
unit
single-family
conversion
to
a
duplex
family,
two-family
home,
that's
one.
O
Reasoning
either
of
those
two
situations
would
apply
identical
additional
strain
on
traffic.
Q
Yes,
in
your
amendment,
it
talks
about.
Q
M
N
Q
P
M
You
know
there
is
a
pre-submittal
meeting
that
is
required
currently,
but
that's
vague
too.
We.
M
Don't
know
what
will
occur
at
the
pre-submittal
meeting
and
yet
we
we
made
that
code.
A
Councilmember
piedmont,
smith;
okay,
thank
you.
Any
other
questions
from
stepper
council.
A
Okay,
seeing
none
then
we'll
go
to
public
comment
on
amendment
5
of
ordinance
21-23.
I.
A
Could
accommodate
you
and
we're
still
in
the
three-minute
zone,
at
least
for
the
next
40.
A
Minutes,
okay,
miss
lacy,
who
do
we
have?
First
up?
We
have
dave
warren
who
should
be
able
to
unmute.
Y
Hello
again,
everybody
thanks
for
sticking
around
in
just
a
quick,
related
point.
Y
Y
If
you
want
to
address
to
address
parking
concerns,
use
the
parking
ordinance
if
you're.
Y
Concerned
about
noise
make
changes
to
that
ordinance.
We
have
a
housing
shortage.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
A
Z
Z
Z
If
you
look
at
like
the
new
parking
garage
on
the
tech
park,
that
the
city
is
building.
Z
Spent
12
million
dollars
on
it
last
year,
if
I
understand
correctly
the
people
that
that.
Z
Z
Front
of
my
house,
if
you
live
in
ellisville,
you
are
going
to
wind
up
putting
a
bunch
of
traffic.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
A
Thank
you,
mr
alexander,
for
your
comments.
I'll
just
remind
everyone
else
that
these
are.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AB
Hello,
this
is
a
open
minder.
You
know,
I
I
I
think,
if
you're
sitting
here.
AB
Tonight,
presumably,
you
think
that
our
city,
you
know
our
society.
AB
AB
AB
AB
You're
talking
about
a
housing
type,
that's
often
inhabited
by
lower
income
families,
so.
AB
AC
Hi,
it's
pam
weaver.
You
can
hear
me,
I
hope
yes,
so
I
kind
of
agree
with
the.
AC
AC
Will
I
need
to
spend
bird
dogging
this?
It's
turned
into
kind
of
a
filibuster,
in
my
opinion,.
AC
And
is
just
a
red
herring.
I
want
to
also
speak
to
the
speaker
before
that.
AC
AC
AC
Limit
who
we
live
next
to
and
who
we
don't
live
next
to
and
it.
AD
AD
U
U
Not
address
any
member
directly.
Thank
you
noted
who
do
we
have
next
miss
look
lazy.
AE
AE
Long
evening
and
I
appreciate
you're
taking
the
time
to
hear
our
voices,
I
support
this.
AE
AE
Developments
in
prospect
hill
that
I've
been
supportive
of
and
including
neighbors
adus.
AE
In
prospect
hill,
we
have
arterial
streets
such
as
south
rogers
and
west
kirkwood.
We
have.
AE
AE
Call
them
glorified
alleys,
such
as
smith
avenue,
which
is
a
very
narrow
single
lane
street,
with.
AE
Ignore
the
fact
that
a
duplex
doubles
the
density
on
a
particular
lot.
You
may
say
that
if
it's
a.
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
A
I
Hi,
my
name
is
tom
mellen.
I
live
in
bryant
park,
neighborhood.
I
I
And
I
appreciate
the
two
council
people
to
to
have
put
this
forth
because
infrastructure.
I
It
seems
to
be
either
ignored
or,
or
the
that
hasn't
been
planned.
Well,
so.
I
AF
AF
AF
AF
AG
AG
First
and
foremost,
council
council
person,
rallo
and
son
sandberg
for
standing
up
and.
AG
You
know
the
rights
and
interests
of
homeowners.
I
bought
a
house
in
bloomington
a
year
ago
and
I'm.
AG
AG
AG
Right
and
wrong,
but
I
can
tell
you
I've
and
in
our
neighborhoods
that
are
being
overrun
by.
AG
That,
because
I
do
believe,
that's
going
to
happen,
but
what
I
don't
understand
why
anybody
would.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
A
Thanks
still
kathy
crabtree
still
in
your
west
side,
neighborhood.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AJ
Well,
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
at
this
time,
but
when
I
heard
kind
of
the
disrespectful
and
dis.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
The
mere
idea
that
a
person
might
have
a
car
or
a
need
for
a
car,
but
we
are
addressing
very
real.
AJ
You
probably
do
have
a
car
if
the
statistics
are
right
and
so
to
to
be
thoughtful.
AJ
To
include
the
concerns
and
to
allow
a
mechanism
for
the
various
communities
to.
AJ
To
address
unanticipated
consequences
of
these
changes
is,
I
think,
a
very
wise
move,
and
I
really.
AJ
C
Janice
sorby,
you
should
be
able
to
unmute
hi.
Excuse
me
it's
chance,
orbee
again.
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AK
AL
And
I
hope
that
I
haven't
shown
disrespect
for
you.
It
feels
quite
disappointing
and
uncomfortable.
AL
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments
before
we
go
any
further
we're
approaching
the
11
o'clock
hour.
A
For
about
30
minutes,
if
we
can
get
through
our
last
two
public
commenters
and
if
our.
A
My
parliamentarian
president
sims,
I
see
we
have
a
few
additional
hands.
O
But
now
five
sorry,
I
was
going
to
make
a
motion
to
extend
we
recess.
O
No
later
than
11
30,
but
with
the
hope
of
of
finishing
our
work
on
this
amendment,.
A
I
think
you're
absolutely
correct.
Miss
lacy
can
you
document
those
that
are
waiting.
A
C
A
Suspended
rules,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
recess
so
moved.
Second,
it's
been
moved
in
second.
A
This
amendment
five
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
finalizing
ordinance
21-23.
Thank
you
all
for
being.