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A
So
we'll
call
this
evening
special
session
order
may
6
at
6
30
p.m.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
a
quick
agenda
summation.
We
will
continue
deliberations
on
ordinance.
A
A
A
Forth
and
you
move
into
municipal
code,
20.03
and
20.04
if
we
are
able
to
get
through
that,
then.
A
A
I
think
we
may
discuss
matters
pertaining
to
council
schedule.
A
A
D
We
we
submit
amendment
three
attached
to
ordinance.
2123
is
attachment
a.
D
That
is
the
first
is
upon
conditional
approval
in
the
r1
r2
and
r3
districts,
150-foot
buffer.
D
Is
15
duplex
dwellings
per
year?
The
first
component
is
revived.
D
From
what
was
proposed
prior
to
the
planning
commission
review
last
month,
it
is
a
buffer
on.
D
D
D
D
C
C
It
is
important
to
have
the
buffer
so
that
we
can
monitor
this
very
carefully
and
make
decisions.
C
C
E
Good
evening,
jackie
skinland
development
services
manager
regarding
amendment
three.
E
Yes,
we
are
fine
with
the
separation
time
and
time
limit
that
matches
that
that
went
to.
E
E
E
The
separation
requirement
effectively
creates
a
cap
in
those
areas,
but
we
aren't
vehemently.
E
Is
necessary,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Miss
ganlin.
We
will
now
go
to
council
members
for
questions
of.
A
The
authors
or
sponsors
of
this
amendment
amendment
o
three
of
ordinance,
21-23
council.
A
Member
flaherty
yeah,
thank
you
to
the
amendment
sponsors
and
the
staff
for
weighing
in.
F
It's
only
for
a
new
or
conver
or
new,
build
or
or
a
converted,
or
I
guess
maybe
speak
to
the.
F
F
E
F
F
E
Non-Conforming,
if
you
want
to
expand,
add
a
bedroom
or
habitable
space,
you
would
have
to
go
through.
E
The
conditional
use
process,
so
then
you
become
part
of
those
that
are
regulated
in
this
way.
F
Even
if
they
would
meet
code
until
they
choose
to
until
they
choose
to
seek
the
conditional.
B
Yes,
I
wonder
if
the
sponsors
could
tell
me
how
the
number
15
as
a
cap
was
arrived
at.
D
Was
derived
in
part
because
of
comments
that
mrs
scanlon
made.
D
During
the
introduction
of
the
ordinance
she
mentioned
that,
if
20
were
to
occur
in
the
first.
D
Year
that
they
would
be
back
at
council
and
and
so
that
seemed
to
be
sort
of
a
a
rough
estimate.
D
Of
maybe
approaching
excess
per
year
and
then
you
know
clearly
the
proponents
would
like.
D
And
after
speaking
with
scott
robinson,
he
concurred
that
that
was
acceptable.
B
Thank
you
is
mr
robinson
here
to
or
or
miss
galen
can
you
comment.
B
It
seems
like
the
number
was
run
by
staff,
so
was
run
past.
The
staff.
G
Of
zoning
appeals-
typically,
they
don't
hear
more
than
five
cases
per
month,
so
about
60
a
year.
G
Could
add,
you
know
maybe
two
cases
a
month
or
24
additional
cases.
If
this
amendment
would
pass.
G
Where
that's
a
number,
I
kind
of
started
out
with
was
24
again
just
through
a
conversation,
and
it.
G
H
E
The
we
did
discuss
having
potentially
different
different
widths
for
different
districts.
E
Based
on
average,
lot
width,
for
example,
we
decided
to
go
with
150
across
the
board
as.
E
Within
that
distance,
so
in
the
historic
neighborhoods,
that's
going
to
be
more.
E
So
we
just
what
we
kind
of
determined
was
that
we
used
that
standard.
As,
as
I
said,.
E
Something
different
in
the
near
west
side
than
it
does
again
in
parkridge
east.
But
if.
E
You
have
six
neighbors
within
150
feet
in
the
near
west
side.
We
do
think
that
that
is
an
area.
E
That's
appropriate
to
to
know
what's
going
on
there
and
that
by
using
that.
E
E
E
E
Gonna
have
a
different
effect
on
you
than
if
you're
in
hoosier
acres
and
your
neighbor.
E
E
H
E
All
the
properties
touching
you,
so
it's
not
just
those
on
your
side
of
the
street.
It's
and.
I
I
You
said
something
about
the
number
of
development
petitions
that
were
filed
was
very
low.
Could.
E
Was
I
think
it
was
in
the
context
of
requests
for
duplexes
in
areas
where
they
were
now
allowed.
E
Where
dues
weren't
an
issue
because
they're
not
in
the
new
code,
is
that
what
you're
referencing.
I
Yeah
yeah,
so
in
the
new
code,
which
has
been
effective
since
april
of
last
year,
we.
E
E
So
in
districts
where
duplexes
are
now
allowed
in
the
use
table
so,
for
example,
in
our.
E
Mixed-Use
medium
scale,
a
residential
multi-family
for,
for
example,
two
districts.
E
Weren't
trying
to
flip
over
to
multi-family
in
the
past,
and
we
have
178
of
those.
E
And
at
our
most
conservative
estimate
and
none
of
them,
we
haven't
heard
any
requests.
E
That
those
areas
aren't
outlying
they're
in
some
of
our
older
neighborhoods,
like.
I
To
because
I
have
a
follow-up
question
based
on
ms
canon's
answer:
yes,
sir.
I
Okay,
so
you
know
what
mr
scanlan
is
saying
is
that
there
have
been
no
efforts
to
convert.
I
I
I
I
They've
been
allowed
since
april
2020..
Now,
if
there's
any
doubt
about
single-family.
I
That
have
been
made
by
people
opposed
to
plexus
should
have
been
flipped.
By
now
should.
I
I
Both
rm
and
rh,
then
there
should
already
be
new
plexus
in
the
city,
but
there
have
been
zero.
I
Zero
in
the
pipeline,
so
I
guess
my
question
and
I'll
I'll
stop
sharing
screen
now.
I
I
D
D
D
J
We
don't
know,
we
really
don't
know
we're
extending
the
allowance
of
plexus.
Now.
A
Go
ahead
apparently
yeah,
mr
ello.
These
are
areas
that
that
everyone
considers
student
housing.
I
I
have
in
front
of
me
the
data
is
sent
by
the
planning
department
about
projects
built.
I
I
Of
zoning
compliance
issued
the
pandemic
did
not
stop
the
construction.
How
do
you
explain
that.
D
D
D
D
Area
and
say
extrapolate
from
there
may
maybe
that's
true,
but
you
can't
say
definitively
no
one.
D
Between
0
and
15-
or
you
know,
maybe
single
digits,
so
this
is
just.
F
F
Appreciate
the
the
intent-
and
I
think,
there's
some
good
things
here-
some
pros
and
cons
honestly.
F
And
I
don't
think
it'll
be
super
impactful,
but
one
concern
is
sort
of
the
inequitable.
F
And
by
having
this,
you
know,
first
come
get
to
build
a
or
convert
or
or
whatever.
F
You'd
like
to
do
duplex
and
then
not
for
the
next
person,
we
might
even
be
creating
a.
F
F
Use
excess
space
that
sort
of
thing:
if,
if
someone
got
there
first
within
150
feet,
they
no.
F
Longer
have
that
right,
so
they've
been
deprived
of
that
property
right
that
their
neighbor
has.
F
It
would
probably
would
favor
folks
with
more
capital
who
are
operating
a
business
versus
a.
F
You
know
sort
of
homeowner
looking
to
maybe
maybe
change
their
home
to
suit
their
needs.
So.
F
F
I
would
appreciate
it,
yes,
I
would
point
well
taken.
This
is
all
very
risky
business
as
far.
C
C
C
C
Responsibility
to
put
guard
rails
on
from
any
kind
of
excess
and,
as
we've
had
a
previous.
C
Possibly
not,
we
may
have
anywhere
between
0
and
15
in
in
the
coming
year
once
this
is
enacted.
C
C
F
There's
possible
kind
of
inequities
with
both,
but
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
150
foot
buffer.
F
Than
the
cap
sort
of
negatively
impacting
yeah
the
the
the
rights
or
or
ability
of
folks.
E
That
we
discussed
this
obviously
at
length
before
we
proposed
it
to
the
plan
commission.
E
Council
person
sandberg,
was
discussing
with
council
person
rallo
it's
hard
to
pick
a
different.
E
Option
it
because
of
the
way
that
our
community
is
laid
out
and
where
our
neighborhoods,
that
were.
E
What
you're
mentioning
the
concern
for
first
come
first
serve,
and
we
think
it's.
E
A
good
compromise
to
be
able
to
address
that
issue
while
addressing
the
concern
from
the
community.
E
The
ones
pushed
out
so
that
that's
kind
of
why
we
came
to
that
kind
of
two-pronged
regulator,.
B
Yes,
I
wanted
to
ask
staff
whether
there's
a
time
limit
for
construction
once.
B
B
When
it
then
needs
to
be
acted
upon,
sure
great
question,
anyone
chime
in
if
I
say
this
wrong.
E
But
I'm
pretty
sure
a
conditional
use
is
good
for
three
years,
so
you
would
have
to
have.
E
Your
permit
pulled
before
that
three
years
is
over
to
be
vested
in
the
ability
to
use
that.
E
Conditional
use
permit
to
build
the
duplex.
So
when
we
were
looking
at
when
we
were
looking
at
the.
E
Didn't
make
it
permit
based
to
be
able
to
build
another
one
so
that
if
someone
pulls
one
and.
E
E
B
And
then
a
building
permit
would
I
assume
a
building.
Permit
also
has
a
time
limit
on
it.
A
D
D
I
mean
I'm
pro-plex
in
in
the
pro
appropriate
areas,
as
is
directed
by
by
the
comprehensive.
D
Plan
so
you
know
there
are
people
who
I've
consulted,
who
own
plexus
and
yes,
so
all
sides.
C
C
C
C
C
M
Yes,
first,
I
would
just
like
to
ask
either
one
if
they
want
to
answer
my
question,
but.
M
C
C
This
and-
and
I
believe
it
at
that-
I
think
I've
heard
a
lot
from
the
public
pro
and
con.
C
A
Saw
was
council
member
flaherty
unless
we
have
other
questions
from
any
other
council
members.
A
Scene,
none
council,
member
clarity,
sure
just
wondering.
F
Revisit
this
or
if
we
would
automatically
if
we
hit
that
15
cap
and
and
kind
of
analyze,.
F
Things
at
that
point
and
consider
whether
it's
necessary
or
not,
or
whether
the
uses
we're.
F
At
its
initiative
at
any
time,
I
just
wonder
if
yeah
the
sponsors
or
staff
had
specific.
F
Thoughts
about
when
and
how
to
revisit
this,
I'm
thinking
back
to
the
edu
initial.
F
Of
ways
really,
it
was
a
smaller
scale
of
participants,
but
I
was
one
of
them
and.
F
You
know
it
was
kind
of
like
this
is
maybe
an
okay
idea,
but
some
people
had
concerns.
So
we.
F
Really
restricted
it
in
a
lot
of
ways,
maybe
kind
of
slowed.
The
role
out,
but
then
saw
that.
F
So
just
kind
of
wondering
about
that
and
if,
if
yeah
either
amendment
sponsors
or
staff
had.
C
F
D
In
terms
of
whether
it
reaches
the
the
cap
or
not
and
we'll
have,
and
if
it
doesn't
reach.
D
D
D
This
as
we
go,
you
know
I'm
sorry,
please
finish,
mr
l,
but
no
you
know
I
I'm
happy
to
revisit
this.
D
F
F
F
There
sort
of
best
of
outcomes
I
think,
for
people
who
want
all
of
these
to
be
home
ownership.
F
Opportunities
but
we
hit
15,
the
16th
person
would
like
to
do
it
and
can't
are
they
on
a
list.
M
E
Six-Month
reporting
is
built
into
the
ordinance
that
that
it
were
this
to
pass
as
amended.
E
E
And
to
your
point,
if
we
hit
15
and
they
are
of
some
sort
of,
if
we
hit
15,
that
maybe
we.
E
E
E
Of
need
to
maybe
take
off
the
table
that
that's
not
something
that
I
think
will
come
out
of
this.
E
Discussion
deciding
that
urban
village
centers
are
now
duplexes,
but
I
think
that
we
would
be.
F
And
one
owner
sign
up
or
get
in
the
queue
for
all
30
of
their
properties.
F
And
they
take
up
the
waiting
list
for
the
next
year
is
their
waiting
list.
How.
E
If
we
were
to
have
15
happen
quickly,
and
there
was
lots
of
interest,
we
would
be
reporting
to.
E
E
People
are
worried
about,
and
that
may
be
something
we
have
to
come
to
you
all
to
discuss.
C
And
you
open
up
the
gates
for
anyone,
you
know
to
come
forward
and
to
to
apply
for
a
permit
to
to.
C
C
C
To
kind
of
be
dependent
on
the
free
market
to
do
what
the
free
market
does
and
and
then
sit.
C
Back
and
watch
and
evaluate
it
once
we
see
what
this,
what
this
new
experiment
is
gonna
bring
us.
D
Scanlan
is
isn't
that
true
that
a
village
center,
so
you
think
of
a
village
center
at
a.
D
E
And
commercial
uses
there
that
support
the
surrounding
neighborhood
it
yes,
so
I
mean
yes.
I
Yes
to
the
sponsors,
you've
heard
a
lot
of
negative
talk
about
the
mayor's
referral.
I
Of
the
udo
has
a
three-ring
binder
that
can
be
updated,
that
they
seem
to
expect
that
the
udo.
I
C
I
I'm
I'm
simply
saying
that
it
works
either
way
whether
you
have
a
cap
or
not,
it
can
be.
I
Udo,
which
is
something
that
the
the
public
has
expressed
negative
feelings
toward.
A
Okay,
see
down
miss
lacey,
we're
prepared.
Do
you
have
public
sorry.
O
O
A
A
O
That
I
was
going
to
say
is,
I
will
keep
time
and
I
will
let
the
public
know
when
there
is
one.
O
Minute
remaining
by
holding
my
hand
up
and
when
time
has
run,
I
will
make
like
the
timeout
sign.
P
P
P
A
O
N
Support
this
amendment
and
council
folks
already
tonight
have
made
the
case
for.
N
N
Times
I've
had
in
in
listening
to
counsel
and
listening
to
zoning
debates
in
our
community.
N
N
A
Thank
you,
and
I
will
also
remind
those
in
public
comment
that
three
minutes
is
what.
A
We're
allowing
this
evening-
and
I've
also
been
reminded
to
remind
you
all
to
make
sure.
A
That
your
comments
are
directed
for
amendment
three,
which
is
currently
on
the
table.
Now.
A
O
Next,
we
have
beau
balance,
who
should
be
able
to
unmute?
Yes,
hi,
hello,
hi,
yes,
okay,
my
name
is.
Q
Q
Q
Q
O
Five
names,
so
people
would
know
that
they're
in
the
queue,
so
we
would
have
patricia
foster
next.
O
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
S
Hi,
I
am
a
somax
resident
in
district,
one,
I'm
retired,
I'm
a
homeowner.
I
am
worried
about
the.
S
S
S
S
O
T
Sims
and
members
of
council,
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight
and
the
contributions
from
city.
T
T
And
again,
a
reminder
that
the
150-foot
buffer
was
something
that
planning
staff
proposed.
T
Is
back
in
as
a
guard
rail?
I
think
that
overall
it
does
little
harm
and
and
again
keeps
the.
T
Guard
rails
in
place,
I
appreciate
also
the
six-month
reporting
function,
as
mentioned.
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
The
idea
of
a
test
always
has
constraints,
and
it
has
controls-
and
this
is
a
very,
very
basic.
U
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
O
Should
be
now
hello
again
here
we
are,
and
I
want
to
say
that
there
was
much
talk
yet
last.
W
W
W
W
X
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
AA
Hello
and
thanks
to
everyone
again
for
all
the
time
and
energy
that's
been
spent
on
this.
AA
And
regardless
of
your
your
position,
I
do
want
to
quickly
touch
on
this
idea
of
outside
investors.
AA
AA
2.1
billion
dollars,
with
a
b
within
the
city,
that
number
is
750
million
dollars,
despite
only.
AA
AA
AA
Such
caps-
and
I
wouldn't
you
know
I
wouldn't
recommend
you
have
caps
on
that,
because
we
have.
AA
A
housing
crisis,
but
the
law
would
still
continue
to
prioritize
the
most
expensive
type.
O
Next,
we
have
a
second
speaker
from
ramsey
herik's
ipad
and
then
it.
O
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Next
next
we
have
sarah
k
helene,
who
should
be
able.
O
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
AD
AD
AD
AD
AD
AE
Okay,
mrs
bernstein,
just
for
a
second
and
we'll
make
sure
you
get
your
three
minutes.
A
Let
us
know
that
so
we
can
properly
account
for
you
and
public
speakers
are
limited.
A
AE
AE
AE
AE
AF
Thank
you.
I
am
a
homeowner
in
bloomington
in
the
blue
ridge
district.
AF
AF
Whole
mission,
it
is
very,
very
difficult
for
an
uninformed,
outlying
citizen
like
myself,
to.
AF
AF
AF
AF
A
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
Still
having
this
effect
today,
these
are
not
studies
of
individual
communities,
but
these
are.
AG
AG
AG
Twice
as
diverse
or
more
than
single
families,
single-family
zone
neighborhoods,
and
this
effect.
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
And
even
the
building
process
takes
a
very
long
time.
The
zoning
itself
will
not
desegregate.
AG
AG
AG
AG
Eight
decades
earlier
than
we
thought
it
would,
the
indiana
hoplins
housing
study
found
that.
AG
AG
AG
A
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
O
O
A
J
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
again
at
another
city
council
meeting.
Someone
said
this
is
the.
J
J
J
We
do
need
the
missing
middle
in
housing.
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
more
to
say
other
than.
J
And
I
would
like
to
see
this
voted
down.
Thank
you.
A
K
K
K
K
K
Maybe
one
of
the
planning
department
staffers
could
address
that
issue.
I
personally
don't.
K
In
the
sum
of
all
r3's
all
are
1,
plus
r2,
plus
r3.
Again,
if
the
udo
is
going
to
oppose,
impose
a.
K
K
AI
AI
AJ
Hi,
this
is
not
doug
moore,
my
name
is
patty
ingham
sharing
his
screen
and
I
have
lived
on.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
Over
market
exclusion,
as
seen
even
tonight,
this
process
had
taken
those
realities
seriously.
AJ
AJ
O
To
believe
that
they're,
not
okay,
the
next
speaker
is
jared
alexander.
AK
Hi
everyone
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
AK
AK
AK
AL
AL
AL
To
thank
the
council
members
specifically
sandberg
and
rolo
for
this
amendment,
but
I
want.
AM
This
is
an
exhibit
that
was
already
sent
to
council
members.
I
obviously
don't
have
time
to.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
AO
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
O
AP
AP
AP
1970S
mayor
jerry
miller
in
south
bend
had
this
vision
for
our
downtown
our
city
of
south.
AP
AP
Asset
of
our
city,
there
were
other
really
beautiful
buildings
that
were
steamrollered.
AP
AP
Big
mall
in
downtown
south
bend
and
and
so
he
proceeded
to
make
way
for
the
associates.
AP
Well,
he
didn't
pin
down
all
the
details,
all
the
necessary
details
and
the
associates
moved.
AP
Rails
into
an
unknown
experiment
with
unknown
results,
we
don't
really
even
know.
AP
The
parameters
of
why
this
these
plexus
are
being
requested
in
every
town,
every
area.
AQ
Yes,
my
name
is
tom
millen.
I
live
in
bryant
park,
neighborhood.
AQ
And
having
three
the
amendment
three
will
be
a
way
to
keep
those
uncontrolled
growth.