City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 11 Dec 2019

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Good evening, everyone I'll call to order this bloomington common council special.

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Session meeting in committee, the hall for wednesday, the 11th of december 2019.

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Will the deputy clerk please call the roll.

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Councilmember ruff councilmember, chopra yeah.

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Councilmember piedmont, smith, yeah, councilmember, grainger, present, council.

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Member member rolo here councilmember bolin yeah.

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Councilmember sims here councilmember stir bomb council members sandburg here.

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Thank you. Here's our agenda summation this evening.

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And if you would like an agenda, you may find them beside the deputy clerk. We.

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Will go to approval of minutes after the agenda summation and then we have a.

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Report from the council council committee, then we have legislation for.

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Second reading and resolutions, we have two items this evening: appropriation.

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Ordinance 1908, which is to especially appropriate from the rental inspection.

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Program and the parking meter fund expenditures, not otherwise appropriated.

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Appropriating various transfers of funds within the general fund parks and.

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Recreation general fund parking facilities fund motor vehicle highway.

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Fund alternative transportation fund cumulative capital development fund and.

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Appropriating additional funds from the parking meter fund and rental inspection.

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Fun and that received the committee of the whole action on the 4th of december do pass. 7-0 second item for second reading is.

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Appropriation ordinance 1909, which is to especially appropriate from the food and.

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Beverage tax fund expenditures related to the convention, center expansion and.

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Authorized persons designated by the mayor to relay a council requests for.

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Recommendations at a regular sections such an action of 4th of december, we.

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Postpone consideration until the special session this evening and that was passed.

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At 9:0, then we'll visit council schedule before we adjourn and then we will.

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Immediately reconvene for committee, the whole chaired by counts.

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Metropia and that will consist of ordinance 1928, which is to amend title 2.

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Of the bloomington municipal code entitled administration and personnel.

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Regarding amending chapter 2.28, bloomington living wage ordinance to.

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Remove exclusion for city, seasonal employees and the sponsors for that is.

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Our councilmember granger and piedmont smith. So with that, we will now go to.

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Approval of minutes, we don't have any minutes. Do we to approve seeing none.

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We'll now go to council committee reports and I have a council committee.

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Report of the executive committee- and it involves a complaint that was issued by.

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Our clerk clerk bolden this past august and it was the subject of the complaint.

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Was against her employee council administrator, an attorney dan sherman.

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After we received that complaint, the council officers council, member vorlina.

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Comes from granger and I met to determine how to handle that complaint.

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And we met with a witness to the meeting that, where this complaint evolved.

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Councilman piedmont: smith: we met with corporation counsel, philippa.

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Guthrie met with the hr director and we determined that we should form a.

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Committee executive committee to me, as long as was needed to resolve this this.

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Complaint and an advisement form from the hr director and corporation counsel.

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We resolved that we would hire an outside counsel to investigate and so.

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That's how we proceeded the the investigator is a specialist in.

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Employment law, his name, is mark wolford and he's here.

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This evening, seated beside philippa guthrie from bos, mckinney law firm, the.

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The investigation proceeded mr. wolford issued the summary of the of the.

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Investigation to to me- and I distributed it to council members and to clerk.

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Bolton and to daniel sherman we found that the complaint was was not.

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Corroborated by the investigation and and because it involved mr. sherman, we.

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Determined that mr. sherman was the aggrieved party and- and we offered time.

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For comment by clerk bolton and by mr. sherman, the report was issued to them on.

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October 14th and mr. sherman and his counsel determined that he wanted a.

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Public statement read into the record that would exonerate him from the.

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Regarding the the complaint, I saw it opinions of the council, my council.

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Colleagues- and we determined that we would hear this matter tonight and that.

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We would vote on that, so I would like to read that statement and then we will go.

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To the council questions, if you have any for mr. wolford this evening, I'm.

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Reserving time for clerk bolton to to make a statement and mr. sherman, if they.

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Care to and then we can decide whether or not we want to take action on that.

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So the statement reads: the city of bloomington common council has.

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Investigated city clerk, nichole's bolton's, complaint against city council.

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Administrator attorney dan sherman, which stem from a rules committee meeting that.

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Took place on august 5th 2019 mr. sherman expressed concern that the rules.

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Committee meeting had not been properly noticed.

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According to indiana's open-door laws, miss bolton's office was responsible for.

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Posting the notice for the meeting ms bolden claimed that the notice had.

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Been properly posted and that mr. sherman's behavior toward her in.

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Questioning the notice was disrespectful and rude. Miss bolden also stated that.

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Mr. sherman's behavior may have stemmed from a personal animus toward her.

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Related to her race or for some other reason, after receiving miss bolton's.

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Complaint, the common council hired outside counsel to investigate two.

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Issues the the truthfulness of miss bolton's claimed that notice was timely.

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And posted and to whether mr. sherman had any animus based on race, the common.

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Counsels outside counsel interviewed numerous witnesses, including miss bolton.

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And mr. sherman reviewed emails, reviewed video and reviewed photographs after.

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Gathering all this information outside counsel for the common counsel prepared.

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A written, an investigation summary dated september 11th, 2019, based on the.

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Information collected through the investigation, it was determined that the.

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Evidence does not support. Miss bolton's claim that the notice was timely, posted.

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On thursday august 1st 2019, the evidence also showed that mr. sherman was.

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Justified in his concern about the adequacy of the notice and acted to.

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Prevent the rules committee meeting from taking place in violation of indiana.

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Open-Door law, lastly, the evidence did not support a.

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Finding that mr. sherman was motivated by race or any other prohibited.

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Discriminatory motive in questioning bolden about the notice for purposes of.

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Transparency, the common counsel is making available to the public the.

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Section of the investigation summary title conclusions: takeaways and.

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Suggested next steps by placing this part of the investigation summary into.

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The record, finally, the clerk is advised not to.

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Engage in any retaliation against mr. sherman by emotion of the comp by.

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Emotion, the council approves the statement and the action it requires and.

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We will move to that soon, so this is a essentially a statement as a.

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Recapitulation of the findings of the report that was given to clerk bolden.

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And mr. sherman on october 14th, so with that I'd like to open it up for counsel.

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If you have any any well first, let's let's go to kinds of questions. Are there.

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Any questions for yes, could you let's, let's go in order because I'm right now.

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I just want a city council to ask mr. wilford if he has and if they have any.

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Questions regarding, if the findings and then we'll go to comment. Okay, excuse me.

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Please the way I got I could I have order and.

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Please wait until you you're called on so mr. wilford. Do you mind coming up to.

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The to the podium just in case there are any questions. Are there any questions.

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From counsel for mr. wilford comes from a very interesting question, this is more.

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For the record, have you done these sorts of research probes before you think your.

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Name, state, your name and for the record. Thank you sure. My name is mark wilford.

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I'm an attorney at bo's, mckinney and evans. I have done these type of.

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Investigations in the past. Thank you. Are there any further questions? Okay, seeing.

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No thank you mr. wilford, thank you, so I would like to now turn it over to the.

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Clerk or mr. ziegler.

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Clerk bolton. Thank you on august 6, 2019 on august 6 2019, I filed a complaint.

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Against mr. sherman, with human resources in the council, leadership on august 11.

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2009 teen, I received a written report detailing the results of an.

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Investigation of the events leading up to the day of the complaint. Seeing that.

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The report did not address my actual complaint. I withdrew it on october 24th.

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2019 this public action after my private complaint was withdrawn, is unnecessary.

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And retaliatory good evening, thank you is as mr. ziegler still here or as he.

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Left apparently, he's left. Ok, we're back to.

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Council for any further questions.

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Councilman peenemunde smith just to respond to clerk bolden's statement. Mr.

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Rollo or mr. waffle offered is, the report was actually concluded. Well,.

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Before october 24th, when miss bolden says she was drouet, is that said true.

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The report was concluded. Yes, it was issued to.

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Clerk bolden by me on october 14th, and it was concluded in september.

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I don't remember the day mr. wilford can clarify again. This is mark wolford. The.

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Date on the cover page of the investigation summary is september. 11Th.

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2019 and then mr. watford, your report was issued to the council president on.

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October 14th right clark, no september 11th, oh september. Yes, yes, you had.

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Mentioned october 14th october 14th is when I distributed it to mr. sherman and.

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Tuna clerk bolton okay, I distributed it initially to the executive committee.

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Before I distributed it to the affected parties, so it was a full ten days after.

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The report was distributed that clerk bolden attempted to withdraw her.

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Complaint, that's correct, that's correct! um Mr. wolford, may I ask you please.

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Mr. wolford has this: have you ever encountered this situation where an.

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Employee made a complaint and then there was an investigation and then, after the.

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Conclusion of the investigation, the employee, withdrew their complaint. I'm.

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Typically, not involved after the conclusion of an investigation, so I.

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Cannot say one way or the other ultimately, if someone else has withdrawn.

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A complaint I'm unaware of that happening, but I can't say definitively.

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Mm-Hmm- and is there anything in employment law that would speak to this.

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Occurrence, I think the council has the authority to decide what to do with the.

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Facts that has before it. Thank you further other further questions.

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Councilmember chopra.

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Yes, as a white male, I'm curious how you ensure that your cultural competency or.

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Your understanding of race relations is such that you can investigate these.

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Types of things competently, the best I can do, is to listen. So any investigation.

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Begins with listening, so you start with the person who has voiced their.

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Complaint oftentimes: it's in a written form this one started out in writing. So.

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I had something to work from to ask questions about, but ultimately the goal.

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Is to let the person who is complaining make their statements and identify any.

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Pieces of evidence or witnesses that maybe corroborate the way they're.

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Feeling or what they have experienced, and so the answer to that is you just.

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Try to listen as best as possible and ask questions to allow the complainant.

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To say everything that they want to say you don't engage in a group effort with.

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You know people of different life experiences and in that effort I think.

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Ideally and I'm involved living life on life with people of all backgrounds, I.

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Don't know if that answers your question. It does answer my question. Yes, thank you.

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Other further questions from council comes mary ruff.

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The complaint would there have been a point where mr. sherman would have been.

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The one deciding about that based on his status as aggrieved in some way, I.

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Actually, I was going to ask that question of mr. wilford because it would.

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It would reveal our determination of how we proceeded, and that was that there are.

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Two parties involved and once the investigation was underway and actually.

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The report was concluded council action involved determining what the proper.

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Consequences or procedures should be for both the complainant and the person who.

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Was who the complaint was directed and at that point it was determined that mr.

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Sherman was the aggrieved party and therefore was we had to determine what.

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Would be a proper, proper action regarding him? Is that correct.

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As I understand it, mr. sherman is an employee of the council and miss bolden.

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Is a co elected official not under the authority of the account cyl, so my.

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Understanding was that I was investigating the complaint against the.

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Council's employee and then the council was making a determination about what to.

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Do with their employee and and what the result should be, based on the fact that.

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He is the one who is. Ultimately, the employee of the council comes member.

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Roffels is it satisfy your question? Yes, thank you any further questions. Okay,.

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Should we entertain a motion? Yes, I, if people, if people have comments, you're.

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Free to comment we so we're comment: did what does the public get? We do? We move.

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To the general public- or I don't think I don't think it's.

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Necessary but out but I'll, let's go to council comment. If anyone would like to.

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Say any anything in conclusion: that's what I report of the statement, the.

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Statement yes,.

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When there's a motion, is there a second okay, there's been a motion made that the.

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Roll call vote be done rather than more than a voice vote. Okay,.

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Then we'll proceed with a roll call vote. Councilman chopra did you have? Yes? I.

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Want to understand why were voting to approve a report we're voting to to.

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Accept to us to adopt a the statement that I just read that you have with the.

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Attached findings for the public record at the request of mr. shermin, so it's a.

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Vote to accept the report of the executive committee. Yes, this is a this.

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Is the report of the executive committee? I just want to make sure.

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Perhaps I I just don't remember when there are other subcommittees, do we.

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Usually vote to accept their report. Yes, if my fellow council members could help.

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Me out and remind me of a time in which we've done that that would be helpful.

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Thank you, our parliamentarian comes merv. Only do legislation is referred to a.

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Committee, the committee makes a report once the legislation itself has been.

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Reintroduced but come back to the council for reports that come from a.

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Committee, where legislation wasn't assigned, you know it's generally, the.

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Practice of the council to accept the report by vote by a vote.

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Thank you. Can you give me an example? Again, it's been a while I'm trying to.

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Think of I mean we don't have very many committees, but I would say they know the.

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Sidewalk and the jack hopkins committees are typically reported. I appreciate that.

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Thank you any any further questions about a clarification. What we're doing.

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Okay, the quest has been made for a roll call vote. First, oh I for comment, and there was a motion.

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Made would you like to comment yes before we even talk about the thing is.

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Yeah yes, first for comments, so I apologize if this is out of order comes.

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Mayor pete, moon smith, um I just wanted to address something that clerk walden.

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Said before she departed this evening and that she said that um that her.

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Initial complaint was a private complaint and that this report is a.

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Public statement- and she felt that was unfair. I do want to point out that clerk.

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Bolden declared that she would file a complaint against mr. sherman at a.

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Public meeting on august 5th, where there was a member of the press there, so it it.

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Was in a way a public complaint, I mean the actual complaint that she wrote up.

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You know wasn't published somewhere as far as I know, but the fact of it was.

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Public, so I just wanted to make that distinction. Any further comment.

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Councilman granger, as somebody who was involved in this process, this was not an.

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Easy process for us, it was not, I mean I think in there was no precedent for what.

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We've done and how we handled it and we tried to do. We tried to be thoughtful of.

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All parties, I'm sorry that clerk bolden believes this is retaliatory, but it in.

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My mind it never was it never was about reach.

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And in fact, when she wanted to withdraw the complaint, but at this point we'd.

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Gone too far, but she wanted to withdraw the complaint and- and she was we wanted.

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To know if there were untruths or misrepresentations or inaccuracies that.

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We could that could be. You know dealt with in the findings in the research.

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That mr. wolford had completed, and it just it was it was not easy. We tried to.

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Respect both parties, mr. sherman, is our employee. Ms bolden works with us and is.

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Kind of a an entity all in and of herself as a as an elected clerk, but I.

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Did want to share that it we we were thoughtful. We were deliberate in in.

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Thinking about this- and I don't think any of us really wanted to do this, but.

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In some ways, I think we I felt like we had to and- and we knew this would happen.

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And where it's not the best thing that could happen, but it's it is what it is.

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Thank you, councillor valen.

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As the member of the executive committee, I've had to think a lot about my opinion.

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Of this entire affair, and the only conclusion I can come to is that it was.

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Unnecessarily and unfortunately so public that this should have been.

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Resolved behind the scenes, I can understand why leadership felt that it.

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Needed to be resolved publicly, but the I just the irony of this report is that it.

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Happened at the first meeting of a committee that was designed to think.

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About issues just like this, how to deal with personnel matters? How to deal with.

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An internal structure, and it itself became the kind of thing that the.

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Committee was meant to address and you know I am unhappy that anyone felt.

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Publicly embarrassed chained repudiated. I continue to feel that way and it's.

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Just I find the entire fair excruciating there very few events that have happened.

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In my time on council that have rivaled this for as problematic this problematic.

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I continue to believe that I mean I had moved to creative rules committee at the.

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End of our first right before our summer recess this year, I'd like to think.

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However, tragically that I've been vindicated in the need for a rules.

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Committee, which has not been called in recent weeks because we've been so busy.

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With other items, and not the least of which is the you do, and the convention.

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Center, but I I have other opinions about this, I think.

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The entire fair is a series of misunderstandings, and I am looking.

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Forward to finding way to put it behind us, but I earnestly wish that this affair.

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Could have been handled in a less public way than it was. Thank you.

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Further comments: councilmember sandberg, whenever there is a grievance brought.

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Forward, as we have discussed in this body before when it comes to elected.

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Officials or staff being accused of things there is a due process and that.

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Due process, in my mind, has been exercised here.

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It's unfortunate whenever there are conflicts that need to be negotiated, but.

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I do feel that as difficult as all this is with two people that we are all very.

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Close with that, we know well and we work with well. This can be difficult, but that.

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Said an investigation was launched, findings were found and just like any.

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Process any institution, we need to respect that and we need to respect the.

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Wishes of the people involved too, if the facts warrant that they can have their.

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Name cleared and therefore, as difficult as this is, I am in support of the.

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Executive committee's decision here- and it is my wish from this point forward.

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That all the parties involved can continue to work professionally and.

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Respectfully, with one another, as as, would anyone in positions of leadership.

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And decision-making can do. Thank you further comment. Consumer chopra. Yes,.

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I'd first like to thank my colleagues who were on the executive committee who.

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Dealt with this obviously very difficult issue, I think that you all did a very.

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Fine job up until this decision to make public remarks about a very.

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Otherwise, private complaint: I understand that it was requested by one of our.

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Staff members by mr. sherman that we do so and that would maybe make him whole. I.

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Understand that, but I to me the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

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At all, this is this is way way too far. I.

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Just it seems, drastic and unfair to open this.

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All up when it it could have and should have remained private. Surely there's a.

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Remedy here short of what we did this evening, thank you further comment. I have.

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A cosmic ruff, I think most of us know that this wasn't private work word had.

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Gotten out into the community, certainly all of through city city government, but.

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Out into the community, and at that point I believe mr. sherman was in nannie.

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Horrible position, his reputation after serving the city from us 30 years and.

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Soon, to be coming to akarma to end on accusations that could have very serious.

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Ramifications for anything he might want to do from here out in a community like.

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Bloomington, where, where this was out and people would not know, people would not.

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Know what the outcome, what the findings were.

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If mr. sherman was to want to be involved in not-for-profit work in the.

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Community or in do any kind of organizations and and.

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And this past potential skein with a secret unreleased final report, an.

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Outcome would have been completely inadequate to me, so I restrung lee with.

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What councillor sandberg said as difficult as this is unfair ibly.

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Unfortunate possibility no for possibly the most unfortunate thing. I've seen in.

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20 years on the council in two decades on the council as difficult as that is.

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There needed to be a public record to absolve mr. sherman completely if it had.

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Been truly maintained- private, maybe not, but you know people would bring it up to.

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Me in the community it was this was known. This was out there and a record.

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That was not released to where anyone could look at it what's being hit. You.

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Know that just begs the question: what's: what's it's being hidden? Why is this secret? You know we want to know so as how difficult this whole thing is.

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I believe strongly that the council is is taking the right action doing the.

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Right thing here comes member simms. Thank you. I just really want to say how.

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Truly unfortunate this incident is bowden is a dear friend.

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Of mine and we do much work out in the community social justice work community.

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Building work, so I know how good a person she is with mr. sherman. He has.

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Probably been, in my estimation, the absolute best support and help that I've.

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Had since I've been on this council in august 2017 so hearing the complaints.

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Initially, it was rather hard for me to digest and believe actually, and I think.

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That's one reason why it's so important to have an independent investigation.

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Please understand we're not talking employee employee, we're talking, employee.

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Elected official, okay, the rules, change, okay, and I hope we all understand that.

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The rules change a bit when we're talking about an elected official.

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It was the elected official who lodged a complaint, and I just think that we've.

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Done our due diligence, I may not care for the results, but I do respect the.

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Process I was a 33 year, employee at indiana, university and middle management.

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I have participated in these type of investigations having to do with the.

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Salt protected class discrimination, harassment, sever others in my career, it.

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Is never ever pretty, but I think it is a necessary process. I think I have to.

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Support what we're doing tonight with regard to the public record reading that.

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Is definitely not my personal preference but again when we're in the elected.

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Position we're a public body. Lastly, I will say this, and- and this is just.

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Something I think I need to say right now. I am on the rules committee, the.

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Council rules committee again for the reasons I stated before, mainly because.

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One of the parties is an elected official. I really don't think anything.

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That the rules committee would come up with would have had anything really.

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Substantial to do with resolving this due to the elected official component, so.

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Now I don't want to get into a process or anything or talk about the committees.

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And standing committees at this point I just and it's fair to to reply, but I'm.

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Not so sure that that would have had any one way or another on this particular.

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Situation again, it is unfortunate, but I have to support this action last thing I.

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Do want to say, there's been an issue with the term. Racial animus has been.

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Brought up that was one of the complaints, racial animus and obviously.

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When I got a call- and I think it's okay for me to say this- but when I got a call.

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The saying that I was going to have to talk to mr. wolfer, or was requested to.

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Talk to mr. wolf and I'm like why why and it's because two things I think one.

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Is because my name was brought up from one of the parties, the? Secondly, of all,.

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In order to corroborate some sort of racial animus, then the only other as far.

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As I could see person, they couldn't corroborated that if, in fact, that wasn't.

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The case was me now: all I can do is is corroborate my portion and how I've been.

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Treated and how I've related to other folks, if, in fact, I did not see that it.

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Was not aware of that? It does not occur or does not mean that from bodas.

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Position she did not feel that or it did not occur. The investigation did not.

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Substantiate that, and with my relationship again with our attorney and.

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With our clerk, I again support this process. Thank you. Thank you. Further.

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Comment: okay, I will say that I I agree with councilman ruff I was. I was made.

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Aware that this complaint was publicly known, that word was out people in the.

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Community were aware of it, so it became a public matter. It's fair mr. sherman.

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Has an exemplary record of 30 years of the city unblemished it's very serious.

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Implications charging racial bias. I understand mr. in support. Mr.

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Sherman's request for public exoneration. I also.

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Want to say that mr. sherman was defending the interests of the council.

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When he was when he reported that the meeting was not properly noticed and.

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That's the fact that it wasn't has been substantiated by evidence. Imagine the.

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Consequences of meeting and deciding public policy without proper notice, it's.

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Very serious and we're in violation of state statute, so that we can't allow.

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That to happen so it this has been a very difficult difficult process and I'd.

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Rather be anywhere he'd, then, here at this moment doing this, but I feel it's.

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Necessary for this action to proceed, and I want to thank corporation counsel for.

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Her assistance philippa go through him, mr. wilford and in my council colleagues,.

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Who were on the executive committee so with that customer phone? Do you want.

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To have another comment, yes, I would like to point out a couple of things mmm to.

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Call this due process is to assume that we had a process. There was no process in.

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Place for what happened, this event was unprecedented and we, as a.

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Council were unprepared for it that, while this I this problem was not in.

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Mind what I called for a rules committee to be formed in june. Again, I think it.

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Illustrates why we need to think more about our internal process? We were.

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Forced to create a process on the fly which we did and I leave it to every.

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Individual to determine how do they think it was, it was arbitrary and made.

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Up on the fly, I you know, I think that the process was thorough and I think the.

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You know everyone worked in earnest to resolve the situation, but, let's not.

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Pretend that we were prepared for this or that.

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We couldn't have addressed it better, so you know I'm not commenting on the.

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Virtues of the people involved, I have respect for them all, but as far as this.

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Body goes: we have a lot to address a lot to make up, for I hope we can do that in.

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The new year, thank you further comment. It has been called and.

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Seconded and we have a roll call, though, will the deputy clerk? Please call the.

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Roll on adopting the statement, mr. sherman's statement with the attached.

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Findings of the executive summary.

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Councilmember ruff, yes, jobra, no piedmont's ness. Yes,.

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Granger? Yes, roll! Oh yes, boland abstain, sins.

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Yes, mr. baum sandburg, yes thank you that is adopted six one, one all right moving.

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On now to legislation for a second reading, I believe, mr. president moved.

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Their appropriation, ordinance, 1908, be introduced and read by title and synopsis. Only it's been moved and seconded that ordinance 1908 be read by.

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Title and synopsis only all in favor, say aye aye any opposed. Will the deputy clerk.

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Please read appropriation ordinance 1908 to specially appropriate from the rental.

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Inspection program and the parking meter fund expenditures, not otherwise.

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Appropriated appropriating various transfers of funds within the general.

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Fund parks and recreational fund parking facilities.

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Fund motor vehicle highway fund, alternative transportation fund.

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Cumulative capital development fund and appropriating additional funds from the.

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Parking meter fund and the rental inspection fund, the synopsis is this.

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Amendment, my apologies. This ordinance appropriates various transfers of funds.

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Within the general fund, parking facilities, fund parks and recreation.

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General fund motor vehicle highway fund, alternative transportation fund.

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Cumulative capital development fund and appropriates additional funds from the.

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Parking meter fund and rental inspection program fund, the recommendation was due.

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Pass seven: zero: zero! Thank you. Mr. president, I moved that appropriation.

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Ordinance 1908 be adopted very good. We well, would you like us to? How would you.

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Like us to proceed, should we go to the amendment first yeah, deputy controller.

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Just that this is a public hearing for this ordinance and I'm here to answer.

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Questions or do an overview. Okay, all right. Let's, let's offer the amendment so.

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Would you like to make the motion amendment 1 appropriation of ordinance.

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19-0, wait! Ok that that's been moved and seconded.

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Would you like to describe the amendment it's being we're offering on behalf of.

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The movement is to decrease category 3 and planning and transportation by.

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33,000 and increase the salaries of the police department by that 33,000 still a.

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Net zero impact to the general fund. Okay, are there question? Yes, let's go to.

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Questions councilman granger, add up to 33,000 so.

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The numbers that are in the amendment.

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Are that I guess I could add them up anyway: they're not the same numbers. I'm.

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Just looking for clarification, so the planning transportation category 3 would.

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Go to 75,000 reduction and be a total reduction of planning transportation for.

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Two hundred eight thousand and in burlington police department, their.

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Classification, one would go up to two hundred thousand for a total of two.

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Hundred and seventy four thousand 887 for the whole department.

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Thank you, okay, arthur further questions.

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Councilman granger did you want to follow up alright? Maybe we can clarify.

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And but councilman repeating what smith first, so I have a question about the.

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Same thing that councilmember granger was asking about so part a of the.

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Amendment is that an additional $33,000 will be taking from planning a.

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Transportation and then part b is that that amount will be moved to police, but.

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When I look at the columns here in part a so we're taking 175,000 from personnel.

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Services, we're taking 75,000 from mr. mcmillan is getting a copy of what I'm.

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Referring to here so we have $175,000 taken from category one and $75,000.

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Taken from category three and then at the bottom it says: that's a total of 200.

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$8000 negative: how do you get that? Okay, the 42,000 we had reduced another 33,000.

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To get to minus seventy five thousand, which is going to net to 208, it's 250.

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But they had a movement to supplies for 42,000, okay, thank you very okay. I had to.

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Take both columns further questions cut summer granger. Did you one follow-up.

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That satisfied you all right, very good, then we will go to the public on the.

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Amendments who the ordinance see no public back to council for final comment.

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On the amendment.

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Councilman granger: this is going into the police department. That's all. I have.

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To say, thank you come summer to peep on smith, I'm glad that things seemed to.

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Work out at the end of the fiscal year that we can move things around. I know.

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That the controller's staff has a lot of balancing to do all throughout the year.

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And especially at this time of the year, so I appreciate your hard work on this.

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Thank you further comment on the amendment to the.

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Appropriation ordinance some like to make a recommendation. Second, okay,.

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Questions been calling second, on the amendment with a deputy clerk. Please.

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Council, member chopra, yes piedmon smith, yes, granger, yes, rolo.

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Yes, bolin, yes, simms, yes,.

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Stir stir bomb sandburg, yes, okay, thank you.

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So that amendment is adopted eight to zero back to the appropriation ordinance.

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1908, as amended other further questions.

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Does the public have comment on appropriation, ordinance, 1908, seeing none.

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We're back to the council for comments. Okay, the question has been calling.

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Second, on the appropriation ordinance will the deputy clerk? Please call the.

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Councilmember piedmon smith, granger, yes, rolo, yes, bolin, yes, sins.

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Yes, mr. baum sandburg, yes, ruff, yes, children! Yes, thank you.

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Appropriate appropriation, ordinance, 1908 amenda is adopted eight-zero. Thank you.

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Mr. macmillan 1909 be introduced and read by title and synopsis only it's.

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Been moved that appropriation ordinance 1909, be read by title instance on.

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Synopsis only all in favor say aye aye any opposed.

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Well, the deputy clerk. Please read.

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Appropriation ordinance 1909 to specially appropriate from the food and.

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Beverage tax fund expenditures related to the convention, center expansion and.

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Authorized persons designated by the mayor to relay council requests for.

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Recommendations, this ordinance appropriates funds from.

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The food and beverage tax fund for expenditures related to the convention.

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Center expansion project, including expenditures for phase 2 of the project.

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Which involves design work for the expansion of the center and a parking.

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Garage appraisals and environmental work related to the project, including a bond.

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Issue and such other related services as may be identified. This ordinance also.

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Authorizes the deputy mayor or other designee of the mayor to relay a request.

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Of the council to the food and beverage advisory commission for written.

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Recommendation to expend funds, the recommendation was to adopt nine zero.

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Zero. Thank you. Mr. president, I moved that appropriation ordinance in 1909. We.

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Adopt him come smurfin iman smith, the recommendation from our previous meeting.

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Was to table not to adopt, I believe yes, you're, correct mr. sherman's out of the.

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Room, I move that I adjust my motion to take from the table appropriation or is.

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1909, which has been introduced and read by title and synopsis only. I need a.

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Second, okay, thank you, miss guthrie! Thank you.

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And counsel, this is a request that you approve this appropriation. It is.

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Primarily, architecture fees for to pay the architects for phase two: this is for.

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As you know, I'm sure the convention center project, which is a joint project.

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With the county, the food and beverage tax advisory commission, as you also know,.

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Has to make a recommendation, you had to request it and it then went to them.

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Yesterday, you requested it last week in your.

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Resolution it went to the food and beverage commission and they approved it.

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Yesterday and I believe mr. shermin has provided you with the approval, that's.

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Correct we got it this afternoon, so the.

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Appropriation is for a total of six million two hundred and fifty thousand.

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And that comprises is comprised of 5.9 million for the architecture, fees for.

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Phase two, which is the actual design work we are also, that is, by the way, an.

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Estimate it's a not to exceed amount, it may not all be used, we don't know, but.

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The architects say have told us that the normal fee for a project of this type is.

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Between five and ten percent of the construction cost and the estimated.

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Construction cost is fifty nine million for the actual convention center plus a.

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Garage the convention center expansion itself is forty four million and then.

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The garage is fifteen million, the additional three hundred and fifty.

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Thousand was actually expended already during phase one for architecture fees.

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And a few other related services, we believed that we had approval at the.

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Time because you made a request, it went to the food and beverage commission and.

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Came back and you appropriated it and we spent it, and that was under the.

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Mou with the county at the time, so this is a retroactive request that we made to.

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The food and beverage commission so and it needs to be included in this.

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Appropriation again to correct an error in in the process that the county asked.

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Us to correct thank you for your presentation. Are there questions for.

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Miss guthrie, okay, seeing none councilman chopra. Do you have a question.

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With this a little bit at our last meeting concerning this topic- and I.

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Guess I don't understand why we were being asked to do this before agreements.

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Have been made- and we know exactly how this project is going to move forward, it.

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Seems premature request, first of all, at the request of the county that that we.

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Commit to a garage, because there was some concern that we might not be able.

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To commit to a garage as part of the project and it, and it really should be.

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All together in the project so that they work together and also it was to give.

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This opportunity to approve the appropriation to this council, since you.

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Have been involved in this from the beginning, and we will have four new.

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Members next year and we were worried that it would slow things down because.

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There there's been a delay and keeping it moving for various reasons, so we.

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Wanted the appropriation and the funds to be ready to go because I think we're.

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Getting close to agreement with the county on a vehicle, an entity who will.

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Manage this project going forward so as soon and that can be done fairly quickly,.

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So, as soon as that, entity is ready, these funds will be available and the.

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Architects can start on a design, but in in fairness, I think you're also.

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Concerned that next year you wouldn't get all the yes votes.

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Right, we don't know what we would get. I'm saying that that is one of the.

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Reasons why you would want to do it now, instead of after january, first. Well, I.

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Wouldn't say it was the primary one I know, but it is a reason. Yeah, you ready a.

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Reason, thank you. Other council questions.

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Okay, would we have amendments? Mr. president, I want to move amendment 1 to.

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Ordinate appropriation or it's 1909, please, okay, I'm going to go through this.

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In detail, because there's quite a bit of detail- and it's important everyone to hear all the detail- the first section- this ordinance simply changes the date.

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December 3rd to december 10th, which is when the food and beverage tax advisory.

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Commission actually yesterday, when it actually properly passed the resolute.

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What accepted the resolution? Oh, I still can't keep track of it all that the.

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Council had to first formally ask for the specific requests before they could.

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Act and then they acted yesterday to make a recommendation to this body.

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Regarding the appropriation request, and so it just updates it. The second item.

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Deletes the last, whereas clause and replaces it with. Whereas pursuant to.

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Indiana code, the majority of the members of the commission approve the request.

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For expenditures and a copy of the decision is attached this legislation- I.

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Will point out that those of you who have the pre-printed packet will note.

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That my signature is missing from the document. It is not intentional that I.

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Neglected to sign it yesterday, and in fact I signed it a few moments ago and.

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Mr. shermin has it so, but yes, the vote was 5 to the third item here as miss.

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Guthrie pointed out replaces the amount requested was six million. Two hundred.

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Two thousand dollars: this is a hundred thousand dollars less than the I mean.

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The the city originally ordered, or for six million to be more precise, they.

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Asked for five point: nine and that added the 350 to it total amount being asked.

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For in arrears is six million to 250 thousand dollars. Finally, there is this.

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Section added to the ordinance, which is not part not aware as clause, but a now.

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Therefore, clause section: three: the city is pursuing this appropriation ordinance.

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Now, in order to encumber funds before the end of the year, however, the city.

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Will not execute contracts other than the necessary contract to encumber funds.

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Nor spend dollars from the food and beverage tax proceeds appropriated under.

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This ordinance for expenditures related to the convention, center expansion.

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Project otherwise known as project unless and until expenditures of sorry.

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Unless and until the city and county one have established a governing entity.

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Whether a capital improvement board or other entity to own and manage the.

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Project and have negotiated and executed and into local agreement that sets forth.

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The rights obligations and commitments of the parties regarding the.

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Establishment and operation of a governing entity or to the parties.

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Mutually agree in writing on such expenditures. Once a governing entity has.

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Been established and an interlocal is signed, an interlocal agreement is signed.

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Expenditures thereafter will be the responsibility of the governing entity.

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And any existing contracts related to the project shall be promptly assigned.

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To such entities subject to its acceptance and approval any agreement.

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Required to income to the funds appropriated here under shall be subject.

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To this condition, and shall contain an explicit provision referencing this.

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Ordinance and condition it is the city's understanding that this agreement shall.

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Not apply to expenditures related to the garage associated with the project that.

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Will be built and owned by the city or to already budgeted and appropriated.

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Expenses funded by the innkeeper's tax for the operation of the existing.

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Convention center, I pause because I did not the one word I did not include.

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Intend to include here, as the word will, I think, would rather be may that we may.

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Build a garage because I personally not committed to a garage, despite my support.

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For designing a garage if it gets built that it's important, that it be designed.

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In an integrated way with the rest of the convention center expansion, it makes.

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No sense to build its standalone and to not think about how it can be combined.

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With the others- and that is my main reason for supporting the design money.

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That is hereby requested for designing a garage, so I don't know if I need to.

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Strike the word will and change it to may, since it's my own adjustment to this.

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Amendment, but otherwise that is the amendment. This has been the result of a.

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Significant amount of negotiation between the city administration, the city.

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Council, the county commissioners and the county council. I want to thank everyone.

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For their patience and cooperation, as we got this right, I'm hopeful that it meets.

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The expectations of our friends in the county- I also want to thank mr. sherman.

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For working this text up into amendment form it's much appreciated. Mr. sherman.

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May I simply strike one word and change it with another. It's in the last.

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Paragraph the project that may be built and owned by the city I mean at sea if.

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You found it mr. sherman, not that not the most elegant language once it's.

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Rephrased the way that I'm changing it, but I trust that everyone understands.

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What I mean with that I'm happy to entertain questions on this amendment before we go to questions I'd like to have the.

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Administration, their view of the the amendment yeah, I think, there's.

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Another slight correction to be made with the amendment. Okay, may I do that.

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Now, yes, we got that out of the way, yes um section three of this amendment.

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Refers to section two of the ordinance where it should really refer to section.

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One, if the ordinance, that's where the six million dollars is indicated, so if.

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That could go along with councilmember bowling zone change. I'm happy! I'm happy.

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To make that change as well, thank you very good. Thank you. Thanks for catching.

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That councilman piedmont smith, miss guthrie, we're fine with that.

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Amendment, thank you so we're on questions now from counsel for the.

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Sponsor seeing no questions, then we'll go to the public and we have many.

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Elected officials welcome welcome, commissioner. There may be a sign-in.

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Sheet there I'll get it on my way out I'll get it on my way out.

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Yes, okay, thank you, yeah. Thank you good evening, council julie, thomas monroe,.

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County commissioners are speaking on behalf of the board, extending our thanks.

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For your help, we especially appreciate councilor volans.

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Assistance and also councillor rallo councillor granger for your help. Today.

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We're really optimistic and heartened by the discussion that we had today at the.

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Courthouse and we look forward to continuing our great collaborative.

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Effort to get this project moving forward, mr. boland anyway, we do thank.

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You we would encourage all the councillors to support this, because this.

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Amendment is very important for us to cement that trusting relationship that.

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We've established, so we would encourage you all to support this as well. Thank.

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You thank you, commissioner, thomas good.

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Evening, nice, to be with you all again, eric spoon.

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Moore monroe county council and I'll echo the same sentiments of commissioner.

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Thomas, this is what I like to call the move forward.

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Amendment and would certainly encourage you that would certainly encourage you.

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All to be in favor of it, I certainly am very supportive of this.

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And I just also want to thank you all again for all of the work and diligence.

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That you put into this over the last several months and weeks here very much.

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Appreciated. Thank you. Thank you, council presidents, good morning, jeff.

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Mckim and rowe county council. I also urge you to support this amendment. It.

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Certainly addresses all of the concerns that I've heard on the the county's part.

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Gives us the the appropriate guardrails to make this appropriation go through an.

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Encumbrance go through, and I also want to echo my colleagues thanks to you all.

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I thought that there was a meeting today between city and county representatives.

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And I felt like that, the sunburst, through that the clouds and and there.

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Were smiles and rainbows and an end to this face this this phase of the project.

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Really seems to be coming to an end and the next phase on the verge of beginning.

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So I thank you all and again, particularly for councilmember valle and.

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Rallo and granger, who were there today during several hours of really important.

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And substantive discussion, but all of you for working so hard on this. We look.

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Forward to a productive partnership. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember mckim.

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It was a warm meeting on a chilly day.

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Further comment: please hi, I'm greg alexander here a couple.

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Procedural issues the mayor likes to push.

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Through projects unilaterally, without consulting with other groups and for.

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Once in county government, he met something that pushed back and I hope.

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You all are taking notes, but this amendments purpose is to, as I understand.

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It to have to make sure that the county gets representation, but you guys are.

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Supposed to get representation also, so I hope you guys have some vision for how.

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This actually should play out and you're not merely babysitting an interaction.

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Between the mayor and the county, another procedural note is that when, in april of.

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2015, even before he'd won the primary the mayor, then just a candidate said that that mayor kruzan should not could not.

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Possibly sign any contracts with any any designers and the architects or any. I.

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Don't know what you call a design firm for that for the trades park. He said.

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That the new mayor should make that decision, that he should not even that.

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The old mayor should not even pick which contractor to work with he said in order.

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To delay for at that point, you know 10 months that the process should be.

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Dragged out and all the boards and commissions that was our mayor, who made.

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That that argument and now, of course, he's saying the exact opposite kind of.

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Frustrating is there a truth there or is it just posturing all around I don't. I.

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Don't know but person I'd rather see the new council consider this and then this.

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Isn't procedural? This is substantive, the the new the reason you're being asked to.

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Allocate this money after having already allocated money for the design of the.

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Convention center is that it's gotten so much larger and one of the ways it's.

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Gotten larger is it's no longer simply limited to the was it called the bar. The.

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Bar and restaurant tax now it's also expecting to use tif funds for a parking.

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Garage and that's very frustrating because we have a severe sidewalk.

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Shortage in the city we have, we have housing projects, we have a lot of things.

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We could spend tif money on, but instead it looks like we're going to spend it on.

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Another parking garage so we're looking at you know between about 40 and 50.

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Million of if money in the last two years spent on parking garages and that's actually a result of a decision, that's gonna be.

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Made tonight we're gonna get closer and closer less slippery path of wasting.

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More money on parking garages, if you guys let the mayor go forward with with.

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A design- that's that's simply too large. That's too wasteful of taxpayer dollars.

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If you look in the community, you know nobody bothers to show up to oppose the.

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Convention center, but nobody's particularly excited about it. It's not a.

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Political winner, it's it's! It's kind of a carve out for restaurant keepers and.

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That makes sense to me, but now that the project has grown to include tif money.

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It has to have a larger public good, and we, you know in in six months or in a.

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Year or two we will be arguing about tif money for another garage, downtown and.

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That's ridiculous and one other substantive issue. You got.

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Him by the balls man, you have to make sure that they leave the sidewalks open.

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While they build this darn thing, the sidewalks downtown cannot be closed for.

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Five years, while we developed three different properties for the convention center, and if you don't make that a concrete requirement, they will be you.

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Guys can do something about this, don't just shrug and say this is just.

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Something that happens you can get that in writing. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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For your comment, any further comments on the amendment, one for appropriation.

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Ordinance 1909 seeing none we're back to council for final comment.

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Or a recommendation on the amendment councilman boland. Yes, I'm still.

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Irritated by president spoon moore for stealing my thunder, this is the.

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So-Called moving forward amendment- and I I glad to note that that we have finally.

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Defined what moving forward looks like, and it looks like this, and it looks like.

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The interlocal agreement that I am looking forward to seeing a second draft.

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Of from county legal, I do want to address mr. alexander's comments, because.

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I think they're relevant and important. I think that he has been.

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In the past few years, very eloquent on issues regarding sidewalks and he's made.

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At least this member pay attention to those issues that I used to take for.

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Granted- and I appreciate them very much- I do think that he is does not know.

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Enough about the the very detailed debate that has been going on between.

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City and county, just in the past few days and weeks, the he had a procedural.

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Complaint that I've already not written down properly the- and I can't remember.

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It now so I'm going to go to the substantive complaint that he made. I do.

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Not support tif funds paying for the garage which, right now, the consultants.

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Estimate will only cover about a quarter of its cost and, at least according to.

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Traditional methods of managing convention center garages- I know that.

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Consultants like london and others who we've we've consulted believe that a.

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Garage is essential to the success of a convention center. I am not persuaded by.

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That and so again the reason I'm voting for funds to design the garage is only.

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Because it would be a crime if the garage could be designed in an.

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Integrated way or the rest of the convention center and what? If we.

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Approved it and it was not integrated, but I believe that the city must have.

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Authority to manage the garage, otherwise it might set off the entirety of the.

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Rest of the city's downtown parking system. If the garage was priced.

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Appropriately and it caused some people to try to use the neighboring. Fourth.

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Street garage or parking meters on the street if our pricing was not.

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Commensurate with theirs, and so it's important.

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That downtown parking be managed as part of a whole single system. Perhaps an.

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Interlocal agreement, maybe it need to be strict struck in that case, but I don't.

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Think that it's correct, I just I can't remember now the point I wanted to make.

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I will finally say that I agree that this that the public sidewalk should.

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Stay open during the construction of the convention center. It does not make sense.

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To do it otherwise, to me, and on that point I agree with mr. alexander with.

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That I'm just going to say, I asked everyone to support the amendment it as.

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A result of a great deal of deliberation and collaboration between city and.

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County officials and it will allow us to take the next step. Thank you further.

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Comment: councilman, piedmont, smith; yes, I'd like.

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To thank my colleagues and especially councilmember roland for his hard work.

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On this amendment and for attending all the meetings of the food and beverage.

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Advisory commission, it is difficult having a full-time job.

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And being a council member that I am unable to attend those meetings, so I.

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Very much appreciate the colleagues who did attend the changing the the word.

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Will to may, as far as the construction of the parking garage is very important.

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To me so I'm I appreciate that councilmember fallin made that change or.

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I don't know if we still need to adopt it, but I agree that we shouldn't spend.

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More tif money on a parking garage. We need to try to make it pay for itself as.

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Much as possible, we also should look at a comprehensive view of transportation.

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To and from our convention center and look at you know increasing shuttles.

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From the airport and pet project of councilmember roland's to have a.

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Downtown circulator shuttle so that we can make use of the parking garages that.

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We already have so those are all things that should be examined. I also agree with councilmember volt on that those.

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Should be examined as part of the architectural planning for which we are.

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Appropriating the money, so I am in in that respect, I don't hesitate to support.

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This amendment, leaving sidewalks, opened during.

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Construction, I think, is something we need to do a whole lot better on and.

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It's been very bad downtown the last few years, and I think this is something we.

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Need to discuss with public works before construction begins. This is a city-owned.

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Project, there's no excuse for shutting down public rights-of-way for.

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Pedestrians and we need to do better with private projects as well. So thank.

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You, mr. alexander, for continually yapping at our heels. I think that we.

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Agree we need to improve on that, so I'll be supporting the amendment. Thank you.

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Further comment on the amendment I'll just say: thank you, councillor, valen and.

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Thank you to my council, county colleagues and administration. This is a.

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Wonderful development, so with that is there a recommendation? Question has been.

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Called in second and on amendment, one for ordinance, 1909, well, the deputy clerk.

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Please call the roll councilmember granger, yes roll! Oh yes,.

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Boland yes already sims. Yes, mr. baum sandberg, yes,.

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Ruff, yes, chopra, yes, piedmont! Smith! Yes, thank you.

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Amendment one is adopted: 8 0, moving forward I'll, introduce ya I'd like to.

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Make a move amendment 2! Thank you.

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This is menma 2, which amends appropriation ornstein, o 9 by inserting.

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A final wheras clause, which reads as follows: whereas the council urges that.

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The facility be a net zero energy or leed platinum facility, and it also.

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Amends by adding an and after the semicolon at the end of the previous.

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Where is klaus, we will go to council questions, councilmember vaughn. Yes, I.

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Want to suggest that maybe you make it a net: zero energy, and/or, leed, platinum,.

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Facility is there a difference between the two? I think there is a net zero.

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Means that all the energy is created by the facility, if not on the facilities.

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Site leed platinum is about like it's more like defense. It's it's a. I mean net.

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Zero is combination of offense and defense. It's making it as efficient as possible, while also generating energy on the site. Leed platinum, is about just.

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Saving energy, what say you? Yes, absolutely! I think we can make that.

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Correction, well, if you would say yes, I would yes, if the, if the maker is doing.

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It like I just did with will to may he can do or to an /or, and you do it. Yes,.

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There we go nice and clean further questions comes mary p, don smith.

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Yes, um councilmember rallo. I know you and I spoke about this earlier, but for.

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The benefit of the public, could you please explain why we are not requiring.

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That the facility be net, zero and or leed platinum. Yes, I think, as we.

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Discussed today, at our county city meeting that these decisions about.

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Design and so forth should be made by the governing entity, the cib, if that is.

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What it will be, and so it should come at that point in that determination and.

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Clearly, at this point, we don't, we have insufficient information in terms of of.

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The cost we have some parameters, but that's yet to be determined. It's going.

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To it's going to require some well, you know a lot of evaluation of it, but it it.

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Makes our intent clear- and I think it's shared by the county as I determine this.

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Morning as we determined thank you, thank you councillor valen. If you would like.

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To know during public comment, the general consensus of those elected.

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Officials of the county, who are here tonight as to what they think of maybe.

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Not so much the amendment but the idea behind it and whether they would like to.

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See the building be either net zero and or leed platinum themselves? Would you.

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Like to hear their answers to that question, I I would if they carried it if.

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They care to speak thanks. I saw a lot of nodding heads, so thank you. We can wait.

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The public comment I just wanted to: yes, I just wanted. I think we can, if there.

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Aren't any further questions we can go.

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Are there any council questions come summer? Chopra did you have a question.

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Okay, then we'll go to public on amendment to if anyone care to speak.

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Hi greg alexander here again lead is a famous green, washing technique. It is not.

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All bad, it's got a lot of good things going for it, but it's possibly.

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Leed-Certified, while being sprawl, it's possibly leed-certified, while.

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Encouraging work, automobile use and as long as we have a parking garage, we're.

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Not going to come close to actual net zero, so if you actually care about the.

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Emissions generated by this facility parking has to be foremost, on your mind,.

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Because transportation is an incredible use, especially for business travel. Thank.

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You thank you for your comment. Jeff mckim. I certainly do support this. This.

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Amendment I do, I think that the idea of either a netzero carbon, building or or.

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And/Or, probably and leed certified building is, is a worthy goal. I think.

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This it should be that concept should kind of be embedded in a broader concept.

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Of a I caught it agenda for a 21st century convention center and that.

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Includes, of course, the the carbon emissions and energy usage and.

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Production of the building, but also living wage for employees strong and.

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Tight integration with transits both from the from indianapolis but also.

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Locally sustainable catering, which would include your low food waste waste food.

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Donation, local sourcing of food also right size parking, which I know is a.

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Concern of many of you, including a sophisticated transportation, demand.

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Management system and reduction of subsidy of parking facilities and then a.

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Strong pedestrian integration integrated into a walkable city scape, so I don't. I.

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Don't necessarily think that that needs to be in the appropriation ordinance now.

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But I think, particularly as we move forward with the cib and the city makes.

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Its appointee, appointments to the board and the county makes its appointments to.

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The board, if that is indeed the the vehicle that the this broader agenda of.

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A more progressive convention center be be considered. Thank you. Thank you for.

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Your comment: customer mckim, hello, welts, county council district, two, it's my.

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First time addressing the city council, it's kind of exciting, I just came from.

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The county's environmental commission meeting and it's a it's a small but.

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Mighty force commissioner jones serves on that as well.

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And we were discussing this exact idea wanted to express to you that in.

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Addition to my full support on everything that my colleague councilman.

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Kim just said, the environmental commission specifically would be very.

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Interested in assisting advising in any way and anything that that body could do.

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To facilitate the consideration of a netzero or leed certified facility and.

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Other sustainable approaches to making this convention center work we're happy.

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To work with our city, colleagues, and our, of course, with our county as well, thanks.

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For the opportunity appreciate it, thank you councilmember wilts hi, I'm penny.

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Gotham's county commissioner, I just echo everything. That's been said.

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By both councilor wilson and councilor mckim, we are really thrilled that this.

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Is moving forward and I fully support your second amendment. Thank you.

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Commissioner givens good evening, commissioner jones lee jones, I just.

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Think this is a really exciting time to actually be building a whole new.

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Building in our community- and we can make it a demonstration and a statement.

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About what we really care about in this community, I'm very very pleased that.

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This was brought up and I hope that we'll keep it in mind throughout all the.

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Negotiations and that it can come to fruition. Thank you.

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Thank you, commissioner jones peter iverson, manoa county council. You know I.

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Was recently elected and my the first district in the county encompasses.

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Roughly the eastern third of the county, the district that I represent.

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Encompasses all three of the major lakes of this county, as well as the.

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Tributaries that go into those bodies of water, the environment is very, very.

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Important to the constituency that elected me and I hear from the.

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Constituents that elected me that it is part of my duty to protect our very near.

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And dear environment, this building that we're building together is going to be.

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Here for generations, we hope- and I think that it is absolutely necessary to take.

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Into consideration what councilman, councilmember piedmont smith said that.

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This should not be something that we simply may consider, but something that.

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We do, we definitely need to be doing. This is something it'll be demanded of.

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Us not only by the current generations but by those to follow.

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Thank you very time. Thank you. Councilmember ivers, hello, commissioner,.

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Julie, thomas again, I am absolutely in full support of doing anything you can.

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To make this as environmentally sustainable as possible, because.

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Buildings like this typically are not. I will tell you something I shared this.

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Morning, nashville tennessee, --zz convention center has cisterns and they.

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Gather water from the green roof, which I didn't see it, but it says it replicates.

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The rolling hills of tennessee. I have no idea because I didn't go, look uh-huh. I.

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Took their word for it, but three hundred sixteen thousand gallons is what they.

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Hold they use it for flushing, toilets and for watering indoor plants. Why do I.

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Know this because they put big signs all over the convention center and I walked.

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By a bunch of times I didn't write it down. I just saw it a lot and it made me.

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Feel good about being at a convention center, which I typically don't so I.

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Think it does say a lot about the community and I think.

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You have our full support and, and and hopefully that will assist you thank you.

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Thank you, commissioner, thomas good evening.

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Cheryl munson monroe county council and the last to wrap up the entire county.

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Delegation approaching you tonight, and I think this might be a record for so many.

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County elected officials appearing here to talk with you, I think I think this.

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Discussion about sustainability and the future of our convention center is very.

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Important to discuss- and we will be talking about this while we guide what.

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Is going on with our aspirations and our aspirations will will be realized by a.

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Governing body- and we will, we will be entrusting them to speak for us, so the.

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Public will be speaking to us as they have then the hotel ears in the.

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Restaurant ears and all the other businesses who have been frustrated that.

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Are now going to be happy and encouraged moving forward and we will be working.

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Together to talk about what our aspirations are for, this new building.

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That we're doing together! Thank you to each of you for your part in making this.

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Happen, thank you councilmember munson. If there's no other public, then we will.

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Come back to council for final comments on amendment to consumer vohland. First.

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Of all that even parking garages, these days are being built as net zero.

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Buildings, that is, of course, ironic because, as mr. alexander correctly.

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Points out the cars traveling to and from them generate a whole lot of carbon.

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Emissions, however, business travel is not going to end here's. One reason why I.

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Know it's like saying that we saying that we.

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Should say not that mr. alexander said that, but saying that we should meet.

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Online because it saves carbon is like saying, we should eliminate college.

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Campuses because people can learn online and I could say categorically that.

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Nothing beats meeting somebody in person and that there is going to be.

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Conventions for decades to come, if not centuries to come, people need to get.

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Together, what we can do is try to be an example: how to minimize the carbon.

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Footprint of such a building, there is no longer an excuse for any building to not.

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At least be thinking about its energy requirements and not just being lead. But.

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Being a generator of its own energy, so it's a entirely appropriate we'd, be.

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Thinking about net zero and leed platinum, but the the dilemma came to us.

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When it was, it was suggested by more than one person that we should be.

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Thinking about how energy-efficient the building should be- and we were talking.

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Behind the scenes about making it a part of the actual ordinance language, not.

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Simply aware, as clause but in principle we should not be binding. Our would-be.

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New partners, I am delighted to hear what I suspected, which is that at least those.

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All the kind of representatives who were here share our concern for energy.

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Efficiency and for sensitivity to the urban environment, but so we should.

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Certainly should not be binding, our colleagues to something when we just.

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Finished promising and the other amendment that we would do everything.

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Equally, but this begs the question of any new governance entity that would.

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Oversee this new enterprise, once we created these kinds of requirements that.

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Us elected officials would like to see are at least technically out of the.

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Hands of both city and county, they belong to those who are on the cib and.

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In the same way that the seavey's is made up of people in the industry, so.

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The focus of a typical cib will only be conventions, at least in the past, that.

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That's what we would should have expected. We have collectively we have to.

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Carve into the new entity our values from the beginning, so that interlocal.

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Agreement is going to be very important. The document that creates a cib will it.

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Need to be worded again with our joint values, you know in it, because once this.

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Thing is created it's going to possess all the land, all the taxes, all the.

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Responsibility for this new entity, I can't really emphasize enough how.

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Important it is that city and county x expressed those values explicitly before.

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We all saw the dotted line, I'm confident that we are going to do that, but I don't.

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Think we can just assume that the cib will automatically carry the values of.

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Of people, officials who are elected to serve everyone in their jurisdictions.

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And not simply a particular interest. Thank you.

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Thank you, councilmember peanut smith yeah, I'm thrilled to hear all three.

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County commissioners and a majority of the county council agree that we really.

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Need to look at a highly highly energy-efficient, if not energy, producing.

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Building just a few other examples, commissioner thomas mentioned the.

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Convention center in louisville there are lots of, was it louisville, nashville.

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Sorry other part of kentucky: there are lots of examples of convention centers.

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Most of them in bigger cities that are doing amazing things, the javits center.

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In new york has a six point: seven five acre green roof that has 27 bird species.

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And they create 125 pounds of honey from a rooftop behind. So it's amazing how.

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Much of you know that carbon sink in a green space.

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Is provided right in the middle of new york? Mccormick place in chicago also has.

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A green roof they yield 8,000 pounds of produce annually, which is then becomes.

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The focal point for their their chef, their their meals, that they serve at the.

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Center orange orange county in orlando, their.

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Convention center is leed gold and they also have alright. I don't have a.

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Specific example of what they have, but there are, there are many examples.

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Throughout the country, and the one in louisville, since it wasn't mentioned, is.

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Also, installing practices in their expansion using recycled content and low.

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Emission materials to reduce pollutants inside the building and they have.

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Achieved a 24% reduction in utility costs and a 32% reduction in water use.

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So there are a lot of great ideas out there: they're not necessarily terribly.

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Expensive either just to quote architect magazine online, the economics of net.

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Zero is changing quickly, amanda sturgeon. If a ceo of.

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International living future institute, which administered a certification.

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Process for net zero buildings said the investment to go to net. Zero is now.

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About half of what it was three or four years ago, it can be a can pay back.

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Quickly, generally, in less than five years and in some places even less than.

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That so it is, it makes economic sense as well as environmental sense, to go in.

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This direction, so I'm very pleased with this amendment and with the the kind of.

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Support we've heard from our colleagues in the county, and so we will keep this.

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In mind as we move forward with the project, further comments from council.

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And I'll just say: it's really wonderful that our county colleagues and I always.

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Knew this anyway, sure our a commitment to our climate challenge.

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And that they see this project presenting an opportunity for us to move.

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Forward on our climate obligation together, I wanted to say that deputy.

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Mayor nice and shared a similar sentiment about supporting the.

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Aspirational goal of net zero or very high efficiency, high performance.

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Building councilmember ppand smith. I think I was.

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Thinking the same thing, that this is an investment that pays dividends over time.

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It may be higher upfront cost, but over time we would get the payback and of.

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Course we were do reduce greenhouse gases and I just finally wanted to say.

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That a lot of this was inspired by an editorial by dave askins from b square.

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Beacon who wrote an excellent editorial- and I recommend it highly in the wake of.

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The climate activists that came and spoke to us the prior week so so thank.

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You so with that is there? Okay? The question has been calling seconded on.

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Amendment two well, the deputy clerk. Please call the roll councilmember rolo.

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Yes, boland, yes, simms, yes, stir bomb sandburg. Yes,.

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Ruff, yes, chapra piedmon smith, yes, granger. Thank you amendment to was.

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Adopted eight to zero back to the ordinance as amended, I think we were on.

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Questions are there any further questions from council on the ordinance.

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As amended, seeing none we'll go to the public public would like to speak on the.

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Ordinance as amended ordinance 1909, thank you. Hi greg alexander, sorry to.

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Beat the horse, but it's still standing in the sidewalk. I've been doing this for.

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20 years I've been going to sidewalk construction zones and.

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I was like in college, and I didn't know any better.

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Honestly, I might still do this, but don't tell anybody I if I, if it's real obvious.

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That simply moving a couple cones or a couple barriers will reopen the sidewalk.

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I reopen the sidewalk. I've been doing that for twenty years and so for seven.

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Years I've been trying to get city government to give me a hand with this.

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I've spoken to engineers and planning and transportation. I've spoken the.

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Technicians and planning a transportation I've spoken to public works. I've spoken to you guys. I've spoken to plan.

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Commission I haven't achieved diddly squat.

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I'm always too early to the project or too late to the project. It's never the.

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Right time to tell the contractor that you can't close the sidewalk you you.

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Know if this is a huge design, contract they're gonna specify how to build the.

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Building they're not just going to tell you what size it should be, what shape it.

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Should be they're, gonna tell you, you know this is they're gonna, give you a schedule. They're gonna give you. You know how much space around the building.

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You're gonna need to do that. They're gonna, tell you if you're gonna use scaffolding or if you're gonna use sky lifts like this is gonna, be a detailed engineering proposal. That's gonna come out of this architect firm. This is not.

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Too early is this too late. Should I have told you guys this like two months ago.

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So you could have an amendment made ready, I don't know, but I do know just.

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What seven months ago, you guys appropriate 18 million dollars for.

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Another parking garage and already that appropriation decision you made right.

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Here has closed a sidewalk for three months now somebody died right there, the.

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Sidewalk is closed right where there was a fatality and you're telling me it's.

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Not the right time to try it again to you that the sidewalk stays open. This is.

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This is really really elementary stuff. I'd love to be talking about designing.

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Roads for bikes or there's a million more interesting things that we could do.

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If we wanted to excel at this urban design, challenge of transitioning away.

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From using a car to go to the grocery store, but we're at this very basic level.

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Where I'm trying to get for one project to not close the sidewalk, when that.

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Project is why are we gonna close this? I walk for five years. That's what it is.

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Why are we gonna close the sidewalk in five, you just another.

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I don't think it's too late for you to move another amendment. Just somebody move in another amendment put it as a, whereas just say, whereas the council.

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Believes sidewalks should stay open during during construction. Do anything.

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Do something my god guys? We need to change this. I have done everything I can.

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You guys need to step up. We need to have the sidewalks stay open on this project.

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Don't appropriate money, that's gonna, close a gosh-darn sidewalk. Thank you.

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Thank you for your comment. Other comments on the amendment and or sorry.

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On the ordinance is amended: okay, seeing none we're back to council final comment.

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Councilman ruff well, first of all I'll say I'm very sympathetic to mr.

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Alexander's position I- and I can't imagine that it can cause a price tag of.

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What we're looking at here I mean just the design fees were we're. Looking at 6.

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Million or we're allocating now potentially to create a construction.

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Site where the sidewalks can't stay open, I mean we've all walked in big cities where they're doing construction and you're walking under those things. But at least the sidewalks are open, but you know you're walking under a protected roofed tunnel, basically on the sidewalk, and I mean I, I think he makes a really.

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Strong argument, and not just for this but for future projects, because I over.

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The years I have had a lot of citizens other than mr. alexander complain about.

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The closing of sidewalks to basically in this case it's a public and the hotels.

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Me private too, but a public-private partnership, but a lot of totally private.

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Projects closing sidewalks, but then back to over overall on the ordinance or on.

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The app board, you know some people may noticed I've been relatively quiet.

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Throughout this whole long process- and that's because I'm not quite as.

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Enthusiastic about the expansion of the convention center about the the the.

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Benefits the potential assumed benefits from it and the need.

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For it, I'm not quite as excited as everybody. However, you know a few years.

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Ago we were very close to having bloomington hospital located out in the.

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Greenfield green fields between bloomington and elet's, ville, very close.

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As a matter of fact, it was assumed that that's what was going to happen that.

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There was an 11th hour change that put it were that nobody, I don't think he was.

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Anticipated that it would end up where it would be in a much better, much better.

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Place than out between bloomington and ellis ville out there off bus lines, not.

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Integrated into our urbanized area, less accessible to low-income and handicapped.

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People and disabled people less suitable and of less consistent with our growth.

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Policies plan less sustainable at that location.

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Clearly, undebatable and you know my the questions I've always had about the.

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Assumed needs and benefits of an expanded convention center in.

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Bloomington indiana, as an economic development tool, have been linked to.

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I-69 ever since my concerns and my questions, I've kind of always had they.

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Changed when they became, in my mind, totally linked to I-69, because I believe.

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It's reasonably likely that a private interest would build a project of this.

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Type trying to attract business out in that area, which we used to call cry.

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Drivel, I bet they could get the land pretty cheap to get an anchor tenant.

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I'm sure the owners that property would love to have an anchor tenant, something.

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Like that, just to start a massive suburban project out there, it would have.

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All the trappings of unsustainable sprawl not being integrated with our.

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Downtown diverting economic activity away from our downtown.

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In our urbanized core private ownership, completely out of the control of public.

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Input and decision-making and involvement, I think that's a real.

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Holistic scenario, and so, while I'm not quite as enthusiastic that that this.

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This project, maybe if we had a more thorough contemporary analysis compared.

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To win, it was conceived that it, whether it's a growth for the sake of growth,.

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Whether the whether the net effect in terms of the income levels of the.

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Associated jobs generated with it in terms of new construction and new.

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Restaurants, opening, as opposed to really unable in our existing ones, to thrive.

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More, I think, there's a lot of questions about well, you know to the extent this.

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Will is sort of the kind of thing will make bloomington bigger, like austin.

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Texas got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, quantitatively bigger, but how.

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Much qualitatively bigger, I mean I don't know I have, but I do have some concerns.

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And questions, but it's absolutely superior in every way, shape and form to.

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An alternative location that would harm the economic viability and the vitality.

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Of our community in our in our urbanized area and be much less sustainable so.

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Once again, though, I do have I've always had some questions and misgivings. I'm.

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I'm gonna support it for the reason I supported the original resolution. We.

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Made supporting the the food and beverage tax, which was the threat of an.

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Alternative on on I-69, so thank you. Thank you.

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Further council comment: council meropenem on smith.

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Yes, I have also never been a cheerleader for expanded convention center. I.

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Abstained when the city council took up resolution in favor of the food and.

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Beverage tax at that time, it was mainly because I didn't feel like it was my.

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Place to tell the county what to do since then, I've really been awakened.

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More to the urgency of climate change and the need to change the way we think.

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About economic development and change the way we live basically to try to.

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Drastically cut greenhouse gas emissions and, although I agree with councilmember.

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Bolin that there is no better way to exchange ideas than face to face, I think.

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The reality is that we need to travel less and take advantage of technology to.

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Do things that otherwise would have been done in conventions, so I just think in.

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2019 2020: this is this massive investment in a convention center.

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Expansion is not the best way to spend public funds. I think these funds would.

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Be much better spent on improving our sidewalks, improving our transit and.

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Doing other things to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, not encourage people to.

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Increase gret greenhouse gas emissions, which they will do because most people.

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Come here by car, however, I do believe the ship has sailed. I mean the cat, the.

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City made the commitment to use the food and beverage tax funds towards the.

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Convention center expansion, it's important to follow through on one's.

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Commitments, especially public commitments on taxpayer money and.

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Commitments to our colleagues in the county, so I don't pretend that I can.

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Stop this train now, so I'm not going to stop it by voting against this. This.

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Requests to appropriate funds, I'm very grateful once again to my colleagues who.

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Have worked diligently on both the county and the city.

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To reach an agreement to move forward, it doesn't help anybody to just you know.

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Fight each other, rather than moving forward in the interests of spending.

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Taxpayer dollars in the way that we've committed to spend them, and I hope that.

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This project can be a net zero energy building so that at least when people do.

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Travel here they won't be using fossil fuels while they have their conventions.

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So with that, I will support this appropriation ordinance. Thank you.

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Further comment up: go ahead, come somerville. The county wanted us to show.

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We were serious a few months back by making sure a garage was included in the.

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Convention center and they've expressed concern recently about the impact for.

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Example of the city planning commission on the design, but you know like these.

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Are some trust issues we have to work through in the inner local agreement, but.

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It is ultimately up to the city collectively to address the.

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Transportation, environment, in which the new consent convention center would open.

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So we need to talk about other ways to move people around. We need to talk about.

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A circulator shuttle to go around downtown. We should be talking about a.

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Circulator shuttle to go to every hotel in the area to discourage people from.

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Renting cars because they feel they have to get from there, far off hotel to the.

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Convention center and we need to be talking about subsidizing shuttles from.

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The airport to discourage people from renting cars because they feel they can.

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Get around a 15 million dollar garage at three percent interest over 20 years and.

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I know that's not necessarily how bonds work, but it's a rough figure for the.

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Sake of argument is just a hair under 20 million dollars. We can fund a ten minute.

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At every 10 minutes shuttle throughout the downtown, for maybe three quarters of.

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A million dollars a year, in other words, for that kind of money. We can fund that.

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Shuttle for more than thirty years, you know like, instead of.

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Spending money on the cross, you could spend it on all the subsidies. We would need to discourage parking and rely on, say, surface lots, remote parking again.

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Service buy a shuttle and I'm confident that we can actually pay for some of.

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That through parking fees and what's left so it's ironic that my colleague on.

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Sir piedmont smith is talking about the ship sailing and the train that can't be.

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Stopped because trains and boats are making a comeback.

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Greta tunberg famously came to america on a boat. Of course we can do it. There.

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Is no need to travel less, there is a need to travel more efficiently and if.

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That means reducing your flight diet. Well, so be it.

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That's you have to think about carbon emissions as well, but the ships still.

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Sail rails can be reintroduced, we can it settled for bus, rapid transit, shuttles.

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From the airport, there are lots of things we can do rather than spend this.

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Much capital on a garage so again I'm not ruling it out, but I hope everyone.

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Sees how serious I am at least, that we, you know baked into the cib the notion.

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Of our carbon future, we it's irresponsible for us at this point.

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Knowing that it's just getting worse, that everyone now accepts that climate.

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Change is affecting us not just real but affecting us personally, that we build.

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This building, heedless of what's coming and pretending that we can do what we.

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Used to do thank you further comment, I'll make. My very brief. I just want to.

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Thank again our county colleagues for for coming this evening and in past.

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Meetings and I want to thank the administration for their work as well.

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And their support of the amendments, I wanted to say that.

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Yeah I'm conflicted and I wanted to reiterate what.

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Both councilmember piedmont, smith and and councilmember ruff said this.

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Facility is something like it, I feel is inevitable and I don't want it to be on.

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I-69 with all the attendants for all hotels, bars, restaurants, etc. I want it.

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Downtown, I want it to be a public facility, as commissioner thomas said,.

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This morning that we ought to remind ourselves that this is not just the.

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Convention center, but a civic center for the public and that's our intention and.

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We should follow through with that. So with that is there recommendation.

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Questions be called second and on or appropriation ordinance 1909, as amended.

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With a deputy, please call the roll.

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Councilmember valen, yes simms. Yes, mr. baum sandburg, yes,.

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Ruff? Yes, chopra! Yes, piedmont! Smith! Yes, grainger! Yes, roll! Oh! Yes! Thank you.

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Appropriation ordinance 1909, as amended, is adopted eight-zero. Thank you all for.

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Attending we'll go now to council schedule. Mr. sherman, do we have any.

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Considerations for a schedule, you left them with microphone closer. Thank you.

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Are you closer to like, um based on your actions last night, we have will wrap up.

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The you do on wednesday at 6 p.m. we'll also have a regular session last meeting.

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Of the year for the council, fingers crossed also do know that we're actually.

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Getting ready for next year so on monday, the 16th at noon, there's a.

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Council work session for some items that are coming forward in the first cycle in.

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January, so that's it for the council schedule. Thank you. Thank you for that.

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Reminder, council, member bowen: do you of course,.

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Mr. president, shouldn't we be thinking about cancelling certain.

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You do meetings like we had one scheduled for tomorrow to be canceled.

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Yesterday, yes, we did, did we also cancel next tuesday's? Yes, so we're going to so.

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The competing will continue on wednesday, I might say so. It's still in recess. Yes,.

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Very good. Thank you. Yes, okay, any other questions, councilmember, piedmont, smith,.

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Mr. sherman, did you say we have a work session on monday, the 16th? Yes, what is.

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On the agenda, and should we gauge whether people are gonna show up that.

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Would be a good idea, this is our last chance to do that. We have the planned.

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Unit development called curry urban properties. It's the pete ellis drive in.

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Longview, so that's ready to come forward the deadline for that or the 90 days.

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Expire in mid-february, so we have at least a month of the council. You know.

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To hear it, so that would give two cycles before it comes back to the.

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Regular session, the other is an inducement resolution for an affordable.

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Housing project, I think it has to do with the housing authority. Do you recall.

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That they've reorganized with your help and I think we're at a point where.

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You'll be able to consider an inducement resolution. Those are the two items well.

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Perhaps we should have a show of hands of who might looking into the new year a.

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Ten for the 16th, I believe, is that correct a work session on 16th yeah, no.

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Those are work session topics for the 16th correct. Mr. chairman,.

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That's correct and your next work session is, I think, it's january 3rd and.

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It's possible that you could use that occasion to hear these items along with.

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One other one, if your your sort of your meeting doubt for the rest of the year.

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And some of you won't be coming back. So that's a that's a possibility. So if you.

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Want to think along those lines, let us know.

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Thank you. Okay, all in favor of moving those items to the third from the 16th.

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Say aye any opposed, which would you like a show.

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Of hands who, who might attend or is this is a premature, sound like it passed, but.

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It's your determination whether it passed, cancel the work session for.

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Monday, the 16th all in favor of cancelling the work.

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Session on the 16th say aye when you opposed all right so that.

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Satisfies our our council schedule is there a motion for adjournment so moved.

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All in favor aye, we are adjourned and we will reconvene in a moment.

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Chaired by councilmember chopra for committee, the whole call this committee.

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Of the whole to order it is 6:00, sir. No it's not 6:30, it is 8:30 6:00 p.m. on.

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Wednesday, the 11th of december 2019. We have one item on the agenda, which is.

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Ordinance 1928 to amend title 2 of the polluting to municipal code entitled.

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Administration and personnel regarding amending chapter 2.28.

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Bloomington living wage ordinance to remove exclusion for city, seasonal.

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Employees, the sponsors are council, members, granger and piedmont smith, and I.

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Will turn it over to one of the two of them to present the amendment? Thank you.

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I think you all remember that we've been working on this for many many years. This.

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Is the final phase of ensuring that all city staff are paid the living wage.

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There's no city staff here, including part-time and seasonal employees. We feel.

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Pretty strongly that if we are demanding that people with whom we contract pay.

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Living wage, then we should be doing that ourselves and I'm we're here to answer.

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Questions questions to my left to my right.

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Seeing known, I will go to comment from the public and.

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Back to council for comment, we'll start on my right with. Would you like to go.

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Last spawn see sponsor okay, then go ahead, councilmember granger! Thank you. I.

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Just want to acknowledge my colleague mr. ruff, for first putting this in place.

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52 years ago, and whenever it was, I mean I, we have a reason to be proud to be.

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Living in bloomington- and I just want to thank andy for getting us on the right.

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Track, thank you. Councilmember rollo. Yes, I remember that day 52 years ago and I.

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Want to credit comes member ruff. He took a lot of heat back then. I remember I was.

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Co-Sponsoring and I took he, but he took a lot and it was going to be a job.

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Killer and it was going to be the end of the world, and it was actually a very.

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Good thing for the community and for everyone- and I want to thank my.

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Colleagues comes from granger and piedmont smith's because they have been.

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Advocating this for a long, long time and and it they achieved it, and I really I.

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Appreciate your persistence. Thank you come to my repeat: matt smith. Yes, I too.

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Want to acknowledge councilmember ruff, and I remember that's that's when I.

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Crossed over from the green party to the democratic party to to campaign for andy.

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Ruff because he was taking a lot of flack for something that was actually.

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The noble and right thing to do, and so we're just kind of mopping up after his.

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Very strong work and, of course, the members of the council that supported it.

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As well, I don't know if anybody else was on the council that 2003, when the living.

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Wage ordinance passed- maybe council, members turbo anyway. I want to just.

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Acknowledge that the living wage for 2020 is only $13 and 21 cents an hour.

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You'd be hard-pressed to try to live off of that, especially if you have any.

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Dependents, so I think we do need to perhaps take a look at our living wage.

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Ordinance and see if it might be due for an adjustment when it was passed in 2003.

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It was 2006, wait, wasn't 2003, fifty-two years ago anyway, 2005. Thank you when it.

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Was passed, it was tied with, I believe the is it the consumer price index.

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It was indexed to the consumer price index, and so it has gone up since then.

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But I think that we haven't kept up with the cost of living, especially with.

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Housing costs in the city which we all know are very high. So that's something.

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To look at in the in the coming year to whether we need to recalibrate. But in.

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The meantime I you know, I'm happy to at least include the last portion of city.

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Employees, the seasonal employees, thank you :. It was 2005 because I remember.

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When I was running in 2003, I was being asked about it too.

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And there was no language yet and it took on through a rough awhile to get.

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The language right, so that's how long it took it's a long. It takes to make good.

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Legislation I want to thank him. I think, he's a damn fool for running for another office after he leaves this one, but good luck.

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To him there, I also want to thank council for chopra for running an expeditious meeting. Thank you, councilmember sims. Thank you. I just want.

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To thank councilmembers, granger and piedmont smith for bringing this and.

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Councilmember ruff for planning the scene. Actually, I think it was more like.

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62 years ago, I think that was only a year old when he started that's okay, we.

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Didn't get that my comment comments tonight is. I think this is important, but.

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I also a consumer price index is what it's linked to, and that was a little bit.

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Before my time, so I'd have to look more into it, but I think it's important that.

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That is tied to some sort of a living increase like cola like the.

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Cost-Of-Living allowance- and we do that with some of our other employees and.

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Lasher was 2.8 percent this year. I think it's 1.6 or 1.8 percent, but that's it's.

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Intense so I think, moving forward, that's something we might consider, or maybe we.

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Already have- and I just don't know about it, but one of the most important things.

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I think this is from the city standpoint. Is that we're setting the standard or.

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Strongly urging our businesses and and other entities out in the community to.

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Possibly adopt such a living wage and I know there's pressures, there's pressures.

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Of profit on many businesses, that sort of thing, but I think it's important, that.

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We are holding that torch and leading the way whether or not we can affect.

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Some of the businesses that you know I actually paid pretty low wages and if.

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They were to raise it as high as we would like. Then there could be some dire.

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Consequences potentially, but I think it's important that we lead the way so.

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That's why happy to support this? Thank you, councilmember sandberg. Thank you. Well, we're all waxing nostalgic about this.

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Time when mr. ruffs valiant efforts finally produced the living wage.

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Ordinance, I recall the political climate at that time. This is when there actually.

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Were people from the opposite side of the aisle running for office, and I.

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Remember around halloween time right before an election. All this campaign.

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Literature night of the living wage and like people, you know dead bodies on.

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Cadavers with a toe tag, you know all this doom and gloom. I I just that just.

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Stands out in my mind, this was two years before I joined the council, but of.

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Course I was paying close attention to the political climate. All that said back.

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In 2005 and we have seen the benefits of the city's taking a lead in this in this.

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Important issue- and we need to can continue to do so.

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Wages are a big part of affordability, as we are struggling mightily with our.

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Financial fiscal up options which are quite limited in subsidizing and.

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Incentivizing, affordable housing and affordable everything. You know the.

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Affordable living committee spent a great deal of time. Looking at all this.

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It is wages that is the last piece that needs to fall in line with the times.

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People can't afford housing. They can't afford a lot of things, because the wages.

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Are just not adequate to the basic necessities of living, and so, as we are.

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Mindful that, to the extent that we do have a leadership role here in the.

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Community, we cannot dictate to the private sector what they do, but we can.

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Certainly lead by example, here in the city in treating our employees that work.

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Is valuable? Their time is valuable and we need to pay them adequate wages and.

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So, thanks to the colleagues for bringing this forward, I completely and.

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Wholeheartedly support it and I support andy ruff. In spite of all the grief that.

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He took during 9 the living wage. Thank you. Thank you.

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Do you have a recognition gee pass? I'm gonna start on my left with.

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Councilmember sandberg? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes, yes, as I recommend, do pass.

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Eight zero zero meeting move a german seconds.

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