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A
Tom
brannon
petitioner,
so
we
talked
about
this
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
believe.
A
You
like
to
go
ahead.
Yes,
absolutely
give
me
just
a
second
here
to
get
this
going.
B
B
Brief
here,
since,
as
you
mentioned,
we
did
hear
this
just
two
weeks
ago.
This
is
a.
B
Request
for
tom
brennan
for
a
property
that
he
owns
at
300,
west
hillside
drive.
The
petitioner
is.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
For
building
number
two,
this
is
one
of
the
mixed-use
buildings.
The
elevation
on
the.
B
Top
right
would
be
the
east
elevation
facing
the
switch
our
trail
and
then
the
elevation.
B
And
then
again,
moving
further
south,
this
is
building
number
one.
The
southernmost
building
this.
B
Is
one
of
the
mixed-use
buildings
again
the
the
top
left
elevation?
Is
the
west
elevation
the.
B
Side
facing
the
parking
lot
and
the
neighborhood
again,
the
petitioner
has
carried
through.
B
All
of
the
design
elements
and
finishing
materials
so
that
they've
accomplished.
B
B
B
The
ground
floor
of
that
building
and
then
one
of
the
other
changes
involved,
building
seven.
B
Have
the
bottom
two
floors
used
as
parking
with
apartments
on
the
upper
two
floors
above
that.
B
This
would
be
the
portion
of
the
building
that
is
facing
to
the.
B
To
the
east,
so
this
would
be
the
portion
facing
the
beeline
trail.
You
can
see.
B
The
ground
floor,
brick,
four
stories
in
height
and
then
the
apartments
on
the
upper
floor.
B
B
This
is
the
the
building
on
the
north
side
of
hillside
drive.
I
I
apologize
for
that.
B
B
Of
the
screen,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
how
those
buildings-
the
site
plan
that
is
shown
here.
B
Along
the
west
side,
so
that
that
pretty
much
encompasses
the
changes
that.
B
Have
been
submitted,
the
petitioner
can
give
a
little
bit
more
information.
I
think.
A
Thank
you,
mr
gerlach.
Shall
we
move
to
the
petitioner
is
mr
bruce
going
to.
A
Speak
on
behalf
of
the
petitioner
and
please
focus
on
what
has
changed
and
perhaps
some.
A
Yes,
okay,
great
great,
well,
first,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
the
questions.
A
I'm
sorry,
mr
bruce,
can
I
just
ask:
do
you
need
to
have
anything
on
the
screen
from.
C
All
right
well,
first,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
and
for
the
questions.
C
I
have
quite
a
few
things
that
I
had
written
down,
but
I'll
try
to
get
through
some
of
this.
C
The
last
meeting
a
couple
were
dealing
with
this
project.
You
know
that
this.
D
Is
not
sprawl
that
this
you
know
we
we
keep
hearing.
You
know
people
wanting
to.
C
The
idea
here
behind
this
project
is
to
put
density
where
we
want
it,
especially
along.
C
A
very
walkable
I'll
say
a
wall
street,
which
is
the
b
line
kind
of
our
spine
to
our
downtown.
C
This
infield
development
does
just
that,
and
it
avoids
sprawl.
Part
of
this
development
is,
as
we.
C
C
C
C
We've
had
no
issue
with
any
of
those.
You
know
we
had
proposed
this
being,
at
least
at
a
minimum.
C
C
Least,
meet
the.
There
was
an
amendment
for
the
20.04.112
in
the
udo
and
we
have
no
problem.
C
With
that
at
all
again
we're
we're
hoping
that
the
the
lead
items
that
we
apply
to
this,
I.
C
C
C
Another
part
of
this
again
it
was
brought
up,
is
that
we
know
we
all
know.
We
have
a
need
for.
C
Affordable
housing
and
differing
housing
types
in
our
community
and
most
of
the
time.
C
Those
lately
we've
been
trying
to
meet
those
with
apartments.
The
habitat
does
a
great
job
with.
F
C
Of
development
here
with
more
parking
structures-
and
I
don't
know
you
know
they
didn't
get
into.
C
C
Step
back
15
feet
from
the
west
side,
but
at
our
first
hearing
with
with
the
city
council.
F
C
C
C
C
C
We
also
looked
at
so
that
was
building
seven.
We
reduced
the
footprint
of
that
building
after.
C
Talking
with
eric
and
scott
of
planning,
we
we
brought
the
setback
on
the
west
side
from
five.
C
C
C
C
C
Now
remember:
building
seven
has
a
plot
of
land
that
the
city
owns,
that
is
between
us
and
the
bee.
C
And
because
we
have
an
easement
on
the
the
east
side
of
it
as
well
to
get.
C
But
on
the
other,
larger
apartment
buildings
on
buildings,
two
and
three
are
one
and
two.
C
C
C
It's
it's
a
plaza.
Now
it
it,
it
will
be
either
landscaped
it'll
be
at
the
direction
of
what
the.
C
C
F
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
E
C
C
To
go
in
and
regrade
we're
certainly
going
to
try
to
gather
up
all
of
our
rain
water
that
we
can.
C
But
we
may
have
a
little,
it
may
be
small
bridges
or
something
that
connect
across
there.
So.
C
C
C
Things
that
really
caught
my
eye
was
the
most
of
those
we
have
the
architecture
as
you'll
see.
C
C
C
C
C
C
More
or
if
you
decide
that
you
don't
really
care
part
of
that
issue
that
we
had
then.
C
H
C
Turning
radius
for
cars
and
having
a
dead-end
road
with
angled
parking,
I
want
to
see
what.
C
Else
we
had
with
that
I've
got
some
numbers
for
you.
This
was
also
one
of
the
other
questions.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
A
Thank
you
thanks,
mr
bruce.
I
just
wanted
to
check
in
the
additional
packet
that
we
received.
A
C
C
C
Our
property,
where
we
have
a
14
foot,
you
know
it's
tough,
to
put
a
drive
in
here
and
park.
It
and.
A
Yeah,
I
just
you
know
it
was
in
there
without
any
label
or
explanation.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
A
An
email
exchange
about
the
pud
criteria
to
be
applied
here,
with
a
revision
of.
A
A
Of
of
the
set-aside,
and
maybe
also
with
the
green
building
requirements,
yes,
certainly
so.
B
As
we
council
member
flaherty
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting
and
we
had
a
chance
to
kind.
B
Of
review
afterwards,
the
udo
does
have
specific
guidelines
for
amendments
to
a
pud.
B
B
And
required
that
the
that
an
amendment
go
kind
of
above
and
beyond,
and
there
were
several.
B
B
Number
of
units,
beyond
the
15
percent,
or
by
adjusting
the
income
thresholds
for
individuals.
B
From
that
maximum
ami,
so
the
petitioner
you
know
has
not
yet
committed
to
which
of
those
two.
B
B
The
maximum
threshold
for
the
the
area
median
income
for
people
that
will
be
qualified
for
that.
B
At
would
be
additional
pedestrian
connections.
So
that's
where
council
member
flare.
B
Discussion
regarding
additional
pedestrian
connections
to
the
switch
yard
park
could
be.
B
Other
than
buildings
are
required
to
have
a
pedestrian
entrance
along
public
right-of-ways.
B
So
it's
certainly
up
to
the
council's
prerogative
of
whether
or
not
individual
connections
to.
B
Each
of
those
doors
would
be
necessary
or
a
benefit
or
whether
what
the
petitioner.
B
B
And
the
project
certainly
is
above
and
beyond
what
it
would
be
required
in
any
situation.
B
And
unique,
there
are
not,
you
know
outside
of
indiana
university
and
the
city
buildings,
there.
B
So
that
certainly
represents
a
significant
improvement
above
and
beyond
what
is
required.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
garlic.
Let's
go
to
committee
members.
I
Presentations
to
all
parties,
and
thanks
for
the
follow-up
mr
gerlick
I
wanted
to,
I
guess-
ask.
I
For
for
both
petitioner
and
mr
grulick,
what
their
thoughts
were
about
that
additional.
I
Criteria
from
the
udo
about
the
affordability
standards,
I
believe
in
an
email
you
had.
I
I
I
I
Thanks,
I
I
man,
I
could
answer
that
real
quick
for
you
before
eric
yeah.
I
The
zoning
rules
that
would
be
the
most
appropriate
way
to
memorialize
that.
B
At
this
point,
I
think
a
reasonable
condition
would
be
the
best
way
to
solidify
that.
Okay.
A
So
if
I
may
just
follow
up
the
the
townhomes
are.
A
Are
dis
are
planned
to
be
for
sale,
right
owner
occupied,
so
would
the
is
the
15.
A
Of
units
at
a
lower,
affordable
at
a
lower
area,
median
income
will
those
be
just
rental
units.
A
B
For
rental,
and
may
I
ask
the
petitioner,
do
you
know
yet
how
you
would
distribute
between.
A
Townhomes
and
and
rental
units
how
you
would
distribute
the
affordable
units
yeah.
C
In
price
in
the
town,
you
know
that
would
be
something
we'd
have
to
have
to
work
out.
A
Is
that
right,
mr
bruce,
are
we
kid
yours
are
you
there?
I
couldn't
hear
a
response
to.
A
My
specific
question:
correct:
okay,
very
good
other
questions
from
committee
members.
A
Yes,
council
member
volume-
yes,
I
am
particularly
interested
in.
H
A
questions
of
parking,
so
I'm
trying
to
find
the
sorry
I've
lost
here
we
go
so
the
first.
H
D
Hey
this
is
wide
daniel.
We
did
a
auto
turn
turning
and
now
38
feet.
H
You're
saying
that
that's
your
internal
firm
standard
or
is
that
state
law
or
what
is
that.
H
Paved
surface,
I
don't
have
the
dimensions
of
the
truck
in
front
of
me,
but
the
turning
radius.
D
Of
the
interior
turning
rays
of
the
standard
single,
the
passenger
vehicle
is
15
feet.
D
Turning
radius
and
it
turns
out
that
18
feet
is
required
for
that
interior
tire
to
make
the.
D
D
We
have
this
mapped
out,
we've
invited
to
council
sitting
to
see
what's.
H
I
mean
the
alley
looks
as
wide,
if
not
wider
than
hillside
street
you're
correct
there.
That.
D
That
could
be
narrowed
out.
The
new
udo
allows
us
to
use
a
20-foot
two-way
drivel
versus
the
24.
H
At
the
minimum,
you
should
do
that.
I
would
also
like
to
see
if
it's
possible.
D
Review
our
auto
turn
program
to
see
that
those
dimensions
are
accurate
and
provide
a
copy
to.
D
The
council,
finally,
with
respect
to
the
perpendicular
parking
along
the
alley,
I
mean.
H
H
H
Any
parking
that
you
have
planned
for
that
you
could
you
could
make
that
more
street-like.
A
Other
committee
member
questions.
A
I
Of
a
public
alley
that
madison
street
residences
would
actually
have
access
to.
I
Into
the
drive,
aisle
or
alley
do
the
work
that
needed
to
be
done
and
then
back
out.
Yes,.
B
That
that
guidance
comes
from
tim
clapp
with
the
fire
department,
so
as
I
believe
fire.
B
B
I
I
Close
to
the
300
foot
to
being
beneath
that
300
foot
threshold
from
from
hillside
clarification.
D
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
there's
a
state
statute
that
requires
us.
The
fire
department
cannot.
I
A
All
right,
I
had
a
question
about
the
the
the
changes.
A
To
building
seven,
which
I
appreciate,
seeing
the
the
greater
setbacks
and
such.
A
C
C
To
approve
that
easement
and
mr
garlic,
what
is
the
required
maximum
impervious
surface.
A
The
lesser
setbacks
that
were
presented
two
weeks
ago
or
three,
the
petitioner,
had
not.
B
B
Maintain
the
standards
of
the
mm
district,
which
has
a
minimum
landscape
area
of
40
percent,.
A
Okay,
one
other
question
for
the
petitioner
and
that's
about
your
timeline.
If
this
is.
A
Approved
by
the
city
council,
could
you
let
us
know
how
quickly
this
might
be
developed.
J
Is
that
it
would
be,
it
would
be
a
prudent
decision
to
go
ahead
and
and
begin
the
process
as.
J
And,
of
course,
it's
so
long,
depending
on
financing
and
initially
but
beyond
that.
J
Raising
the
structure
and
then
trying
to
place
the
new
construction
at
a
reasonable.
J
Time
of
the
year,
so
we
can
make
some
rapid
progress
to
effectively
put
the
project
in
online.
C
C
Raise
the
structure:
that's
there
and
you've
got,
you
know:
utilities
site,
design,
building
design.
C
Your
time
working
on
moving,
tenants
out
and
then
starting
to
raise
the
structure,
that's.
C
There
now
so,
that's
you
know,
that's
probably
a
year,
but
but
the
wheels
would
certainly.
C
C
Certain
there's
current
tenants
in
there
now,
as
a
matter
of
fact
so
part
of
that
I
think,
is
the.
C
The
emergency,
shelter,
shelter
for
the
homeless,
population,
yeah
and
and
there's
another
shelter.
J
As
well,
that
they're
ended.
That's
actually
why
I
was
asking
so
would
you
estimate
that.
A
Those
spaces
would
not
be
available
for
use
as
shelters
for
people
experiencing.
A
J
A
period
of
time-
and
I
suppose
that
you
know
I
don't
know
exactly
how
long
the
race.
C
C
D
C
C
D
Say
I
might
also
add
that
we're
not
aware
what
the
funding
available
availability
will
be
for.
A
Yeah
I
understand
that,
but
I
appreciate
your
answer
and
I
also
know
that
the
the
shelters.
A
A
lot
of
uncertainties
there,
but
I
appreciate
your
response.
Council
member
volun.
H
This
is
the
another
city
standard
here
in
the
states,
and
this
is
the
35
foot.
You
know
minimum.
H
Roundabout
with
no
cul-de-sac
with
no
center,
but
I'm
interested
in
the
item
to
the
left
here.
H
Creative
geometry:
a
sort
of
less
impactful
pavement
by
using
this
this
we
have
a
60-foot.
H
I
mean:
can
you
see
re-engineering
the
end
like?
Can
you
see
how
this
might
reduce
the
amount
of.
H
Pervious
impervious
surface,
you
know
and
even
maybe
expand
the
rain
garden.
D
Is
acceptable
to
the
fire
department,
it
meets
the
state
ordinance
and
could
be
utilized.
D
However,
anybody
going
down
to
the
any
vehicle
say
a
resident
or
a
passenger
vehicle.
D
D
Fire
vehicles
can
do
a
lot
of
things
that
passenger
vehicles
can.
Okay,
I
didn't
follow
all.
H
Of
that,
but
I
I
basically
you're
saying
that
people
for
at
least
for
the
perpendicular
parkers.
H
H
C
C
C
C
D
C
To
avoid
with
a
roundabout,
okay,
well
then,
my
initial
question
still
stands.
I'd
love
to.
H
Talk
with
tim,
clap
about
this
too,
like
what
is
the
actual
lane
width,
depending
on
the.
D
Size
of
fire
apparatus
they're
designing
this
to
no
it
doesn't
it.
I
mean
I'm
showing
it
more
for.
H
To
see
what's
possible,
I
mean
this:
is
I
caught
this
on
very
short
notice,
so
yeah.
H
Designed
for
the
regular
use
so
anyway,
but
that's
something
my
questions
are
answered.
That's.
I
Thank
you.
I
have
two
more
that
are
hopefully
short.
I
Because
we
have
the
opportunity
to
discuss
it
in
addition
to
the
affordable
units,
will
the
other.
I
8
housing
choice,
vouchers
for
those
for
market
rate
units
has
that
been
contemplated
at
all.
C
On
I
would
say
part
of
that
reasoning
is
really
because
the.
C
Point
you
know,
as
we
all
know,
right
now,
costs
to
build
are
as
high
as
they've
ever
been
at
this.
C
C
But
it's
not,
I
mean
I
can
honestly
say
it's
not
a
discussion.
We've
had
yet
you
know
it
has
kind.
C
Of
been
worked
on
a
little
bit,
but
again
it's
not
a
it's,
not
something.
It's
come
up
as.
C
A
discussion
gotcha
just
and
just
to
clarify
I
I
don't
whether
or
not
you
accept
housing
choice.
I
Vouchers
would
not
affect
the
the
income,
it's
just
a
question
of
it's.
It's
actually
a
a
problem.
I
In
bloomington
and
a
problem
in
many
places
that
it's
called
source
of
income
discrimination.
I
That
many
many
rented
multi-family
units
and
and
landlords
do
not
accept
housing
choice.
I
Vouchers
as
a
source
of
income,
even
though
they
would
still
get
the
full
income
amount,
so.
I
Consideration
petitioner
would
be
willing
to
state
that
they
would
accept
vouchers.
A
I
To
tenants
and
townhome
occupants
will
it
will
that
be
decoupled
in
terms
of
its
pricing
like.
I
I
C
C
And
I
think
mr
boland
might
have
some
experience
with
this.
Is
that
there's
good
and
bad
with.
C
C
D
I've
seen
it
on
some
projects
where
it's
it's
obviously
many
of
the
apartment
buildings.
C
C
C
Because
people
aren't
going
to
pay
that
to
park
there,
so
you
know
again
it's
something.
I
I
But
now
we're
allowing
people
who
are
choosing
the
more
sustainable
option
with
fewer
cars
or
no.
I
Cars
to
actually
benefit
from
that
choice,
so
I
wish
I
had
brought
that
up
earlier.
I
I
Can
add
to
the
list
of
reasonable
conditions
tonight,
but
I
appreciate
the
thoughts.
Thank
you.
A
C
A
And
so
the
if
it
were
decoupled
from
the
rent
would
would
wouldn't.
A
Well,
this
is
an
interesting
question.
I
wonder
if
the
15
of
units
that.
D
B
Try
to
chime
in
here,
so
the
the
affordability
of
a
unit
is
based
on
what
it
costs
to
rent.
That.
B
A
Okay,
councilmember
vollen
well
just
to
follow
up
on
this.
The.
H
You
know
what
would
the
petitioners
think
about
advertising
two
rents,
one
with
and
one
without.
H
H
They're
always
promoted
together,
but
you
know
is
that
something
that
they
would
consider
doing.
H
Let's
say
it's
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
with
parking
and
850
without
or
whatever.
H
H
You
know
like
as
long
as
the
it's
advertised
as
long
as
the
the
prospective
tenant.
H
K
I
feel,
like
we've
been
requiring
this
for
new
developments
and
I
think
it
goes
with
our
comp.
K
My
question
is:
wouldn't
we
want
to
follow
the
comp
plan
and
make
this
a
reasonable
condition.
B
Has
already
stated
that
they
were
planning
to
do,
and
so
it
kind
of
went
along
with
that.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
All
right,
I
will
move
amendment
1
to
ordinance
21.07.
It's
a
reasonable
condition,
reasonable.
A
Thank
you,
so
this
reasonable
condition
requires
something
that
the
petitioner
has
already.
A
B
Certainly
fine
with
us-
and
you
know
that
was
kind
of
in
keeping
with
our
position
when.
C
It
sounds
like
a
reasonable
condition
to
me
all
right.
Any
questions
from
committee
members.
A
A
To
me,
if
that
is,
if
his
comment
is
specific
to
the
reasonable
condition,
I
I
think
I.
A
Can
unmute
him
and
we
can
ask
all
right:
he
should
be
able
to
un
mute
at
this
point.
L
Hello,
everybody.
Can
you
see
me
today,
we
can
hear
you,
which
is
the
extent
we're
going
today.
A
Yeah,
oh
yes,
well!
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
today
today,
I'm
here
today
to
discuss
some
very.
L
The
mississippi
okay
hold
on
mr
costas,
we're
taking
public
comment
only
on
reasonable
condition.
A
Number
one
to
ordinance
2107
about
the
mcdoll
pud
revision
is
that
what
you're
speaking.
L
A
All
right,
I
think
that
that
is
all
for
mr
costas.
A
All
right,
hey
just
I'm
terribly
sorry,
it
looks
like
matt
sands
has.
A
A
Us
move
back
to
committee
members
for
reasonable
condition.
Number
one:
are
there
any
comments.
A
Yes,
councilmember
flaherty,
yes,
instead
of
a
reasonable
condition
too.
I'd
actually
like
to.
I
Have
mr
lucas
display
a
slightly
altered
version
which
I've
numbered
reasonable
condition
for.
I
I
Get
my
view
on
full
screen
here:
it's
the
reasonable
condition.
Instead
of
requiring
each.
I
On
the
presentation,
I'm
sorry
I
don't,
I
guess
I
actually
didn't
move
to
introduce
the
the.
I
Reasonable
condition
so
I'll
stop
talking
and
I'll
movie
introduce
reasonable
condition.
Four.
I
Yes,
yeah,
based
on
the
presentation
from
the
petition
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,.
I
And
my
my
assessment
earlier,
I
kind
of
thought
we
might
head
this
way
based
on
the
front.
I
Doors
of
the
two
units
and
the
townhome
buildings
being
so
close
together
that
it
probably
makes.
I
The
most
sense,
given
the
swale
and
everything
else,
to
have
a
single
path
instead
of
two.
I
Building,
along
with,
of
course,
I
guess,
I
guess
the
reasonable
condition
as
written.
I
Is
specific
to
town
known
buildings,
but
that's
kind
of
the
the
crux
of
it:
the
other.
I
The
others
I'm
okay
with
as
as
shown
in
the
site
plan,
so
that's
the
reasonable
condition.
B
A
connection
is
that
correct.
Yes,
that's
correct,
okay,
yeah,
certainly,
no!
No
objection
from
staff.
A
All
right
from
the
petitioner
is
there
a
reaction
from
mr
bruce
to
the.
A
Reasonable
condition
number
four
perfectly
reasonable.
The
only
thing
that
we've
discussed.
C
Any
of
these
connections
require
parks
board
approval
for
to
the
beeline.
I
that's
come
up.
C
B
A
All
right
and
moving
on
to
questions
council,
member
volun
yeah
have
the
existing.
H
Petitioner
has
made
have
they
already
been
approved
by
the
parks
board,
or
is
this.
H
All
still,
pending
the
parks
board,
these
are
all
still
pending
the
parks
board.
Okay,.
B
Connecting-
and
they
said
you
know
in
general,
you
know
assuming
it
doesn't
cause
any
conflicts.
B
With
anything,
they're
happy
to
have
these
connections,
but
but
all
of
these
saying.
A
All
right,
I
have
a
question
and
I
I
wonder
if
mr
garlic
could
pull
up
the
new
site
plan.
A
So
here
I
see
that
there's
a
sidewalk
between
the
the
buildings,
the
northernmost
buildings.
A
Thank
you
six
and
five,
so
councilmember
flaherty.
Do
you
intend
to.
I
Between
buildings,
four
and
six
sorry,
no,
I
think
that
would
be
the
the
intent
was.
I
Have
an
interior
sidewalk
kind
of
to
each
of
those
that
also
connects,
and
that
doesn't
exist.
I
Between
buildings,
four
and
six,
but
the
intent
is
not
to
add
additional
connections
or
an.
I
I
Connect
directly,
so
I
hope
that
answers
the
question
so
looking
at
this,
this
image.
A
What
you're
hoping
to
see
as
far
as
connections?
No,
I
think
I'm
a
little
confused.
I'm
sorry!
It's.
I
Okay,
if,
if,
if
you
look
at
building
three
alone,
for
instance,
you
can
see
at
the
east.
I
I
Joint
front
door,
entrances
to
building
three
and
likewise
for
each
of
the
townhome
buildings.
I
I
Space,
which
is
most
typically
to
walk
directly
to
their
point
of
access.
I
think
what
you'll.
I
Think
if
we
were
fronting
on
a
regular
street,
almost
certainly
all
of
the
units
individual.
I
Town
home
units
that
faced
the
street
would
have
direct
connections
so
for
trying
to
to
really.
I
Make
the
front
the
b
line?
I
think
it's
my
it's
my
view
that
that
good
urban
forum
dictates.
A
Mr
garlic,
you
could
go
ahead
and
stop
sharing
at
this
point,
so
I
guess
just
one
question
just.
B
For
our
clarification,
so
in
addition
to
because
it
you
know,
the
petitioner
has
shown
kind
of
this.
B
B
B
I
Yeah,
I
think,
as
drafted
and
my
intent
was
not
to
affect
any
other
connections.
It
was
to
make.
I
Or
if
some
changes
to
that
would
be
at
the
petitioner's
initiative
in
the
future.
I
I'm
not,
I
guess
clear
on
that
point,
mr
gruber,
I
don't
know
if
you
could
clarify.
A
I
Direct
sidewalk
connection
means,
in
this
case
I
could
say
shortest
east-west
path
or
you.
I
Know
or
we
could
clarify
that
it's
in
addition
to
common
connections
from
between
buildings.
I
I'm
fine
not
voting
on
a
do-pass
recommendation
on
this
reasonable
condition.
This.
I
Evening
and
editing
it
for
future
consideration
at
a
most
likely
second
reading.
If
that's.
A
I
H
H
A
Public
and
again,
this
is
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
on
reasonable
condition.
Number
four.
A
A
Phrased
a
little
more
precisely
because
it
could
be
interpreted
as
already
being
met
by
the.
I
With
the
anticipation
of
bringing
a
clarified
version
to
our
next
meeting,
whatever.
A
Council
member
flaherty:
yes,
I'd
like
to
introduce
a
reasonable
condition:
number
three.
I
I
don't
know
if
we
can
display
the
text
for
this
one
as
well
I'll,
go
ahead
and
read
the.
I
Utilized
for
solar
energy
shall
not
be
subject
to
this
requirement,
and
this
was
sort
of.
I
Discussed
through
the
course
of
presentations
from
petitioner
and
and
staff
as
well.
I
I
And
planning
to
meet
a
sort
of
minimum
cool
roof
threshold.
It
wasn't
100
clear
to
me
based.
I
On
some
initial
research
that
that
would
be
strictly
required
in
order
to
achieve
lead,
silver.
I
On
the
site
as
a
whole,
as
we
know,
the
the
the
petition
requests
a
greater
the.
I
I
And
then
also
making
sure
that
we're
addressing
any
urban
heat
island
effects.
A
Thank
you,
council,
member
flaherty,
mr
gerlach,
do
you
have
any
input
on
this
as
long
as
this.
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
bruce,
would
you
like
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
petitioner
for.
C
C
C
C
Of
us
again,
I
didn't
see
it
as
a
problem,
because
we
are
asking
for
some
changes
to
the
the
type.
C
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
sponsor
of
this
reasonable
condition
or
staff.
A
A
M
M
M
M
M
A
A
H
A
Council
member
flaherty
sure
just
briefly
yeah.
I
appreciate
mr
mr
gunther's
sentiments
as.
I
Well
and
I'll
just
clarify
that
I
I
don't
think
of
cool
or
vegetated
roofs
as
a
as
a.
I
Replacement
for
for
green
space
and
and
wouldn't
generally
make
a
habit
of
of
of
that
sufficing.
I
Sure
that
if
this
is
approved,
that
we
do
go
ahead
and
have
as
much
as
we
can.
I
Move
a
do
pass
recommendation
for
reasonable
condition;
three,
second,
all
right
and
I'll.
Just.
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
hear
of
any
so,
of
course,
that
we
do.
We
are
able
to
bring.
A
A
reasonable
condition
also
next
week
to
the
full
council,
if
we
so
desire
so
going
back
to
the.
A
The
ordinance
as
a
whole
are
there
any
final
questions
before
we
go
to
comment.
A
H
H
You'll,
be
you
intend
to
build
in
buildings,
one
two
and
seven
so
in
our
in
our
documentation.
C
Okay,
it's
anticipated
that
we
could
be
one
to
two
thousand
in
building
two
and
then
maybe.
C
And
we
were
worried
about
parking
issues
and
all
that
well,
do
you
have
any
kind
of.
C
H
I
mean
I
I
I
get
it
I'm
just
like
you
have
calculated
how
much
parking
is
available.
H
You
know
on
for
the
buildings
north
of
hillside
and
then
there's
a
whole
lot.
H
More
and
I
know,
30
of
those
spaces
are
for
off-site
obligations,
but
the
the
standard.
H
The
the
standard
across
the
country
was
around
2.1
spaces
per
thousand
square
feet.
So
if
you're.
H
Just
trying
to
figure
out
how
many
spaces
you're
planning
to
build
in
the
name
of
commerce.
C
Because
we're
next
to
this
park
and
next
to
the
b
line,
if
we
were
at
8
000
in
one
building.
C
If
you,
if
we
have
40
spaces
on
a
level
and
we've
got
20,
that
we
need
and
meet
and
and
and
we've.
C
Got
20
that
we
need
for
mr
street
there's
one
level
of
the
parking
there.
Then
that
leaves
us
on.
C
Us,
and
so
that
leaves
us
30
spaces
for
our
tenants
for
our
50.
Let's
see
what
did
I
have
for
52.
C
Was
really
kind
of
the
minimum
number
I
wanted
to
look
at
for
our
square
or.
H
Okay,
well
I
mean,
if,
if
you
were
to
reduce
it
to
20,
which
I
think
is
you'll
find
is
more.
H
Than
enough,
especially
if
you're
pricing
things
correctly,
you
know
to
what
the
market
will
bear.
H
It
might
allow
you
to
un
perpendicularize
half
of
what
I've
come
to
call
bee
line
alley.
H
Like
I'm
eager
to
see
that
be
a
real
street
and
like
30
spaces
for
10
000
square
feet,
three
spaces.
H
Per
thousand
square
feet
is
high,
very
high,
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
you
can't
find.
H
To
reduce
it
by
nine
or
ten
spaces
and
may
and
make
I
have
a
minor
follow-up
question
which.
H
Is
have
you
thought
any
at
all
about
naming
the
alley
making
it
a
named
street
and
then
giving
the.
H
H
And
you
thought
about
that
yeah,
you
know
I.
We
certainly
know
that
there'll
be
a
name
there.
C
This
and
one
of
the
answers
as
this
was
asked,
a
question
and
the
emails
back
and
forth.
C
C
H
The
sample
put
the
sample
gates
in
the
union
building
was
still
on
kirkwood,
even
if
they've
had.
H
H
A
north
south,
it's
it's
south,
something,
not
west
something,
and
so
like
I'm
not
that
hung
up.
I.
H
H
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
we
were
just
discussing
here
if.
C
You
know,
if
you
look
at
that.
Well,
we
don't
have
to
pull
it
up
right
now,
but
if
we
look
at
the.
C
The
the
revised
site
that
I
sent
where
we
move
the
roundabout
to
the
north
end
of
the
site.
C
C
Just
have
to
again,
because
once
they
pull
back
out
of
their
space,
they'll
just
have
to.
A
Ordinance
2107
amending
a
pug
to
allow
development
in
the
mcdole
neighborhood.
G
Good
evening
committee
members,
hello,
am
I
able
to
share
my
screen.
Not
at
this
time
is.
A
What
what
is
it
that
you
want
to
show
us
problem?
I
was
going
to
share
a
couple
of
the
pages
that.
G
Were
from
the
agenda
items
today
with
a
couple
highlights
on
them,
but
I
can
walk
through
verbally.
G
G
G
G
G
Are
one
the
possessory
rights
that
storage
express
and
mr
shreve
has
in
the
space
where
building.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
A
lot
that
is
being
proposed
here
on
very
specific
setbacks.
The
amount
of
space.
G
G
G
G
A
Thank
you
other
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
comment.
I
have
andrew
gunther.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
A
A
F
And
you
know
I
have
to
agree
with
the
environmental
commission
on
this.
I
don't
think.
F
F
F
Park
right
from
the
start
and
on
another
point
I
do
have
a
question
about
how
many
parking.
F
F
F
F
Seem
to
me
that
there's
enough
parking
in
this
development-
and
I
think
it's
gonna-
lead
to.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
There
is
one
comment
in
the
chat
that
I'll
read:
it
is
from
the
screen
name.
A
C
I
you
know:
we've
tried
to
balance
again
because
we're
next
to
the
park
and
next
to
the
b.
C
Line
we've
tried
to
balance
this
with
what
is
typically
required
on
other
projects.
C
C
A
I
actually
did
did
some
math
myself
of
the
figures
that
you
previously
gave.
A
And
mr
garlic,
could
you
say
how
that
compares
to
parking
requirements
in
the.
A
B
Instance,
the
minimum
parking
requirements
are
based
on
how
many
bedrooms
are
in
each
unit.
B
Kind
of
difficult
to
say
well
that
become
more
clear
when
a
site
plan
is
submitted.
This
is
this.
A
Is
just
the
pud
amendment
there's
still
a
step
right
right,
correct?
There
will
still
be
a
final.
D
C
Because
that's
that's
where
he
started:
there
are
20
spaces,
certainly.
C
C
C
He
would
have
his
faces
so
and
again
there
would
be
some
discussions
with
him.
The
the
issue.
C
C
C
C
C
Just
those
faces
going
away,
I
don't
know
I
mean
I,
I
I
think
that
that
everything
that
mr.
C
C
Ahead
and
picking
out
worrying
about
what
color
of
faucets
and
what
type
of
faucets
we're
going.
K
I
have
a
bit
of
hesitation
with
this
that
I
it's
not
what
the
comp
plan
called
for
and
so.
B
A
minimum
landscaped
area
of
40
percent
or,
conversely,
a
maximum
impervious
surface
coverage.
B
Of
60,
so
the
petitioners
have
requested
to
have
a
minimum
landscaped
area
of
20
versus.
B
The
40
percent
that's
been
required.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
we've
kind
of
pointed.
B
B
Where
we
want
to
get
as
many
people
as
possible,
you
know
the
presence
of
a
large
park
and
a.
B
Substantial
amount
of
green
space
you
know
meets
the
community's
needs
for
open
space,
green.
B
Space
recreation
area,
and
so
the
the
requested
deviation
here,
is
just
a
balance
of
that
compact.
B
Urban
form,
this
petition
has
incorporated
green
space
they've
incorporated
a
buffer
yard.
B
Between
this
and
neighborhood
to
the
west
to
help
separate
this
and
provide
landscaping.
B
So
it's
just
a
balance
of
requests
with
this
project.
This
specific
development
type.
B
B
Helps
aggregate
open
space
and
green
space
for
better
use.
You
know,
rather
than
you
know,
small.
B
Little
open
spaces
on
a
piece
of
property
by
aggregating
that
in
one
open
space
it
provides.
K
B
B
B
As
a
downtown
zoning
district,
so
because
this
is
already
in
a
pud
and
they
are
requesting
to.
B
Amend
that
this
is
where
the
council
gets
to
input
their
their
their
factors,
the
different
factors.
B
For
here
again,
as
I
mentioned,
is
a
compact
urban
form
right
along
a
park
here
where
you've
got.
B
B
A
To
make
any
final
comments
before
we
move
on
to
a
recommendation.
I
Just
to
review
our
standard
for
pud
amendments
is
title:
20,
0.06,
0.070
c4
in
the
new
udo.
It's.
I
How
and
when
we
should
allow
pud
amendments,
I'd
like
to
abstain
this
evening
on
our
do.
I
Pass
recommendation
because
there's
still
a
few
outstanding
issues
that
I
think
we
need
to.
I
Work
on
and
address,
but
in
general
I'm
feeling
favorable
at
this
project.
I
And,
of
course,
if
this
was
zoned
a
base
layer,
zoning
district.
I
There's
no
guarantee
that
a
developer
would
would
choose
to
take
advantage
of
any
of
those
in.
I
I
Ami,
I
think,
is
a
really
significant
benefit
and,
as
petitioner
mentioned,
this
is
the
type
of.
I
This
is
the
type
of
location
that
I
think
is
well
suited
to
letting
people
live
closer
to
a.
I
Walkable
and
bikeable
transportation
options
for
folks
who,
who
maybe
work,
downtown
or
work.
I
Able
to
add
to
infill
development
that
that
development
goes
somewhere.
It
goes
to
alex
miller.
I
It
goes
to
the
county
or
goes
elsewhere
instead,
and
that
that
is
sprawling
and
perpetuates.
I
A
lot
of
the
the
problems
with
climate
problems
that
we
do
have
with
longer
drive
distances
and.
I
All
the
rest,
so
I
you
know
this
is
fairly
close
to
downtown
it's
a
a
walkable
likable
corridor.
I
And
I
think
relatively
dense
development
in
that
context,
where
infill
opportunities
present.
I
Themselves
is
in
line
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
goals
of
our
city.
Some
of
the.
I
I
For
those
who
don't
need
it
so
we're
you
know,
we
have
many
many
adopted
goals
that
are
trying
to.
I
Which
says
that
puds
need
to
provide
a
greater
level
of
internal
connectivity
and
connectivity.
I
Connectivity,
I
think
an
argument
could
be
made
that
greater
pedestrian
connectivity
to
the.
I
To
the
beeline,
since
it
fronts
on
that
as
a
street
of
sorts,
just
a
non-car
street
helps
to
meet.
I
Existing
neighborhood
would
would
be
some
benefit.
I
know
this
is
a
big
possible
change.
I
I
Sense
that
they
could
add
accessory
dwelling
units
in
the
future
if
they
wanted,
they
would
have.
I
Access
to
the
back
of
their
property
via
an
alley
and
it's
again
generally
better
urban
form.
I
I
His
concerns
in
our
two
meetings,
but
they
primarily
seem
like
private
contract
issues.
To
me.
I
Things
that
will
be
addressed
in
time
as
as
needed
there.
There
are
contractual
obligations.
I
There
that
the
petitioner
will
need
to
continue
to
meet
the
building
height
issue,
that
a
few.
I
Mcdole
gardens
neighborhood
residents
have
expressed
concern
about
I'm
curious.
I
guess.
I
And
I
wonder
if
petitioner
could
provide
this
at
our
next
meeting,
I'm
curious
about.
I
Sight
lines,
so,
if
you
think
of
the
horizontal
distance
from
the
back
of
your
typical
madison.
I
I
The
at
the
at
the
development,
as
proposed
and
I'm
kind
of
curious
what
that
difference
is.
I
In
terms
of
the
sight
line
for
for
residents,
I
know
four
stories
seems
like
a
lot
higher
than.
I
I
I
I
think
that
mostly
covers
my
thoughts
on
the
petition.
I
know
I
said
I'd
be
abstaining
tonight.
H
So
I've
been
trying
to
do
a
little
math
here
I
calculate
that
the
the
total
square
footage.
H
Of
the
properties
in
question
is
around
147
000
square
feet
to
try
to
get
to
this
question
of.
H
You
know
how
much
surface
is
impervious,
but
I
mean
my
concerns
about
parking.
H
H
H
The
property,
not
I'm,
not
saying
we
should
get
rid
of
them,
although
we
have
an
obligation
to.
H
The
the
road
is,
it
connects
all
those
spaces
to
the
circle
into
hillside,
okay,
so
like.
If
we.
H
H
Quick
way
we
could
reduce
an
impervious
surface
here
is
to
reduce
the
amount
of
open
uncovered.
H
H
It
abuts
a
major
new
park,
but
there
are
reasons
to
reduce
parking
that
are
not
just
environmental.
H
Opinion
but
0.5
spaces
per
bedroom
is
more
than
enough
maximum.
H
The
1.61
spaces-
I'm
not,
we
have
to
get
those
numbers
better
to
figure
this
out,
but
the.
H
A
thousand
thousand
square
feet
is
suburban,
is
sprawl
level
parking.
It's
just
not
necessary.
H
I
don't
blame
the
petitioners
for
being
concerned
about
making
sure
the
the
retail
is
successful.
H
That
you
know
the
the
pricing
of
the
parking
is
crucial.
Okay,
one
big
reason
why.
H
I
definitely
want
to
push
for
a
requirement
to
separate
the
cost
of
parking
from
the
rent
is.
H
Frankly,
you
know
parking
is
the
lowest
and
worst
use.
I
mean
it
is
literally
antithetical.
H
Very
occasional
fire
truck
I
mean:
is
there
not
some
way
that
in
an
emergency,
the
fire.
H
Truck
could
drive
onto
the
the
park
land
you
know
like.
How
often
is
there
going
to
be
a
need.
H
For
a
fire
truck
to
come
out,
I
know
that's
not
the
way
that
tim
cloud
thinks
and
he'll
he'll.
H
Are
really
important?
I
just
cannot
emphasize
enough
the
the
the
the
the
member
of
the
public.
H
H
H
H
K
K
K
K
K
We
have
to
just
go
back,
it
has
to
go
back
to
the
the
full
council.
The
full
council
could
then.
A
Refer
it
back
to
us,
but
it
would
be
up
to
nine
members
of
the
full
council.
Oh
sorry,
just
okay!
So.
I
I
I
K
I'm
honestly,
okay,
really
not
elaborating
like
past
what
the
other
committee
members
have
so
far.
A
Also
agree
with
with
everything
that
council
member
flaherty
said.
Basically,
I
I
think
it's
a.
A
It's
a
good
proposal.
I
am
enthusiastic
about
the
green
building
that
will
be
applied
to.
A
These
structures,
the
green
building
principles,
also
the
affordable
housing
that
will
be.
A
A
And
the
the
one
thing
I
disagree
with
my
colleagues
is
that
I
I
will
be
ready
to
vote.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
move
to
pass
councilmember
rosenberger.
A
A
And
staff
for
their
patients
this
evening
and
ms
lacey
is
there
anything
you
needed
to
add.
A
A
Assistants
this
evening-
and
we
are
here
by
adjourned.