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A
Just
for
some
of
our
new
members,
if
we
want
to
do
that
all
right,
my
name
is
Matt
inkler.
D
E
E
G
I'm
Tyler
Schaefer
pronouns.
He
him
it's
nice
to
be
here.
H
Song
pronouns
she
her
nice
to
meet
everyone.
A
In
fact,
we
have
the
approval
of
last
or
approval
of
this
agenda.
Does
anybody
have
anything
they
want
to
add
to
this
agenda?
For
today
you
guys
have
a
copy
on
Zoom.
Okay,
soon,
all
right.
A
A
F
I
B
A
Right,
well
then
I'll
do.
Does
everyone
approve
of
of
approving
the
minutes
from
last
week?
We
have
a
second
on
that
so.
F
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Fruit.
B
So
I
did
want
to
let
you
guys
know:
I
might
have
to
be
stepping
down
following
this
month's
meetings
due
to
scheduling
concerns
and
also
like
work.
Another
ugly.
B
Obligations,
yeah
I'm,
trying
to
work
it
out
so
that
I
can
keep
the
spot
open.
It's
just
challenging
to
you
know,
have
availability
when
this
is
taken
up
a
lot
of
Thursdays
so
but
I
will
keep
you
guys
updated
this
month
and
I'll
be
at
the
research
meeting,
so
that
would
be
taking
place
next
month,
but
then
he
stepped
out
and
you
need
to
vote
for
a
new
co-chair.
If
that.
B
E
B
D
A
All
right,
I,
don't
have
anything
to
report
myself
so
I
guess
we
move
on
to
there
individual
members.
Does
anybody
on
the
committee
have
anything
to
report.
F
D
The
pursuit,
divorcing
opposition,
the
anti-translation
yeah.
F
Referring
care
are
going
to
have
to
see
receiving
gender
affirmative
care
according
to
this
law,
so
at
least
one
other
City
Kansas
City
has
declared
themselves
like
a
sanctuary
City
for
transgender
folk
and
I
feel
like
that
would
be
a
very
reasonable
thing
for
us
to
propose
so
that
Lincoln,
the
government
here
the
basically
the
what
what
you're
saying
is
that
as
a
city
Bloomington
would
choose
not
to
aggressively
pursue
any
prosecution
of
people,
who've
seen
that
care
their
family
members
or
healthcare
workers
who
are
trying
to
prescribe
gender
and
terrorism.
F
So
I
think
it
would
be
something
that
we
could
research
up.
A
lot
of
these
laws
are
specifically
targeting
gender
minorities
and
a
lot
of
times
like
transgender
youth
are
the
most
greatly
affected
and
there's
a
lot
of
like
mental
health.
Fallout
from
that
folks
are
feeling
a
lot
of
stress
and
anxiety
related
to
that
concerns
about
receiving
health
care.
So
I
feel
like
that
would
be
a
possible
proposition
that
we
could
write
up
and
submit
as
a
group
if
anybody
else
who's
interested
in
working
on
that
and.
B
That's
really
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
Reproductive
Rights
and
getting
the
funding
for
that.
We
hope
we
basically
did
a
copycat
bill
from
Austin
that
had
a
we
use
very
similar
language.
Try
to
you
know,
push
it
and
ask
for
legal
like
how
much
of
this
could
Bloomington
View
and
then
we
would.
We
presented
that
book
to
the
mayor
and
the
council
sure
and
like
independently,
just
saying
like
hey
The,
Tax
Commission
did
this.
B
You
know
we'd
really
like
you
to
do
that
as
well,
and
they
were
able
to
get
it
passed.
So
we
could
definitely
do
something
like
that
if
legal
could
possibly
help
us
if
we
can
find
that
bill
and
just
be
like
the
challenges,
any
state
has
done
individual
law
to
share
how
much
they
can
do.
Yeah.
E
F
So
you
know
they're
a
bit,
but
basically
like
a
one
city
and
all
of
the
state
they
pass
it
12-1
and
so
that
you
know
I
feel
like
it
here.
It
would
be
possible.
I
think
that
we,
you
know,
have
a
fair
amount
of
support
in
the
community
and
less
support
at
like
a
state
level.
You
know,
but.
I
I
G
I
just
want
to
comment
on
the
report
that
is
talking
about
the
affordable,
housing
and
stuff,
and
just
I
mean
it's
really
interesting,
read
if
you
haven't.
If
anyone
hasn't
fully
read
it
yet
definitely
something
to
look
into.
A
Just
maybe
breaking
up
that
for
making
the
same
first
step.
I
know
like
Marion
County
did
stuff
for,
like.
A
Criminal
stuff
or
like
driving
things
that
really
can
do
anything
like
that,
or
just
as
far
as
like
different.
If
we
can
add
that
I
didn't
know,
that
was
something
you
could
push.
So
that's
what
makes
it
yeah
but
I
didn't
know
if
we
could
do
that.
Also.
E
A
E
E
A
J
A
A
E
C
I
have
kind
of
just
like
a
general
question
when
we
are
working
on
projects
like
that,
with
the
thread
up
for
Trend
rides.
How
does
that?
How
do
we
facilitate
that
collaboration?
Is
it
at
the
things
that
our
work
sessions
or
the
more
independent
work
and
coming
together
here
or.
B
In
the
past
it's
been
a
good
mix.
We
try
to
have
like
a
lot
of
like
independent
work
like
if
you're
looking
into
a
bill.
Specifically,
you
know
you
can
do
that
independently
and
you
know
ask
a
question
here
or
there,
but
we
just
started
doing
the
work
sessions.
This.
E
B
D
D
You
can
always
work.
Asynchronously,
I'm,
sharing
documents
as
well:
okay,
cool.
B
A
Is
there
anything
else
from
Individual
members
to
report?
Anybody
on
Zoom
have
anything
to
report
no
website
all
right.
Moving
on
to
C
committees,
the
presentation
from
the
alternative,
Public
Safety
Outreach
special
committee-
if
you
guys
have
anything
to
report
on
that
everything.
H
Yeah
yeah
I've
I've
prepared
a
report.
It's
not
exactly
a
presentation
yeah,
but
an
update
so
for
the
alternative.
Public
Safety,
Outreach
special
commit
committee,
we're
working
on
compiling
our
report
and
recommendations
and
we're
a
bit
behind
on
the
deadline
or
the
timeline
of
what
we
had
hoped
due
to
two
of
the
three
of
us
getting
severely
ill
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
however,
we
are
making
progress
on
processing
the
data
and
information
that
we
received
in
our
Outreach
and
compiling
our
recommendations.
H
Independent
research
and
community
outreach
that
was
performed,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
at
least
20
pages,
and
the
recommendations
will
hopefully
be
less
than
five
pages
based
on
this
unexpected
delay
and
the
very
large
I
mean
comparatively
compared
to
most
of
our
work
large
size
of
the
report.
We,
our
special
committee,
does
ask
for
all
of
the
commission
members
to
please
check
your
email
frequently
in
the
next
few
weeks,
and
if
you
are
able
to
attend
one
to
two
working
meetings.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
already
a
working
session
scheduled.
H
If
not,
we
may
ask
if
we
can
schedule
one
in
like
possibly
even
two
before
the
next
caps
meeting
in
July,
so
that
we
can
get
as
much
feedback
as
possible
from
everyone
on
the
commission
on
our
work
before
presenting
it
in
July
act
at
the
next
meeting,
since
we
actually
don't
have
time
in
these
meetings
to
do
real
work.
H
As
far
as
you
know,
going
over
reports
and
making
recommendations
for
revision
that
needs
to
take
place
outside
our
regular
meetings
and
so
I'm
again
apologize
for
the
delay
in
having
this
report
finished.
H
We
do
hope
to
have
it
finished
very
soon
and
at
that
point
our
plan
is
to
email
it
to
everyone
on
the
Commission
in
advance
of
the
meeting
and
and
then
schedule
one
to
two
work
sessions
where
any
Commissioners
who
are
interested
in
able
could
attend
and
give
their
detailed
feedback
on
on
revisions
for
the
reports
and
recommendations
and
just
as
an
FYI
part
of
our
recommendations,
will
include
how
we
suggest
that
the
commission
continues
work
on
this
topic
after
the
special
committee
dissolves,
because
the
special
committee
is
planned
to
dissolve
after
the
report
is
turned
in.
A
H
I
think
we'll
probably
be
more
extemporaneous
and-
and
just
you
know,
once
we
get
the
report
done
then
then
we'll
see
who's
interested
in
giving
feedback
like
some
people
might
just
go.
Oh
this
looks
fine
I,
don't
have
any
feedback
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
waste
their
time
to
come
to
a
work
session.
You
know
for
it
and
other
people
may
go.
Oh,
you
know,
I
have
a
lot
of
things.
H
I
see
a
lot
of
things
in
here,
I'd
like
to
discuss
more
and
you
know,
then
they
could
come
so
it'd
be
so
yeah
I
think
we'd
rather
wait
and
see
who
wants
to
attend,
and
then
we
can
just
by
email
sort
of
hopefully
find
a
time
when
we
can
all
meet
to
to
discuss
that
report.
Ideally
we
could
ideal.
H
I
mean
timeline,
wise
I,
think,
ideally
we
would
have
it
discussed
and
basically
ready
to
vote
on
it
in
July
in
the
July
meeting,
and
that's
because
that's
when
at
least
last
year,
that's
when
we
gave
our
presentation
to
the
city
council,
so
I'm
assuming
it'll,
be
some
it'll,
be
on
the
same
timeline.
I
think
I
think
last
year.
H
It
was
like
we
could
have
possibly
done
it
in
August,
but
I'm
not
really
sure
we
haven't
had
really
detailed
info
on
that
this
year,
so
I'm
assuming
it's
about
the
same
schedule
as
last
year,
where
they
they
prefer
for
us
to
present
in
July
in
in
any
case,
even
if
we
do
end
up
presenting
in
August,
it
still
would
be
nice
to
get
it
all
approved
and
know
what
we're
doing
and
have
present.
You
know
have
time
to
pray
in
the
plant.
H
The
presentation
in
July
sorry
I
have
a
sinus
infection.
That's
why
I'm,
not
thinking
and
talking
as
well
as
I
would
have
hoped.
B
And
we
do
have
I
believe
a
scheduled
work
session.
Is
it
the
third
week
that
we
scheduled
last
last
meeting
so
and
I
think
that
was
to
go
over
the
annual
report
and
kind
of
like
have
some
more
time
to
discuss?
So
we
might
also
have
time
to
discuss
that
and
hopefully
get
one
other
meeting
together.
I
H
Okay,
yeah.
That
sounds
like
a
good
time
to
plan
to
discuss
it.
Then
I,
don't
know
how
long
the
meeting
will
be,
but
I
I
certainly
hope
that
we'll
have
the
report
out
before
that
time,
and
so
we
could
definitely
discuss
it
during
then
and
so
yeah.
Maybe
we
can
just
plan
to
discuss
it
then,
and
then
maybe,
if
needed,
we
could
have
a
follow-up
work
session
thanks.
I
Yes,
so
to
the
commission,
you
have
any
questions
or.
I
I
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
a
couple
of
things
when
it
comes
to
scheduling
the
work
session
just
quickly
myself
and
Stephen.
Lucas
are
going
to
a
municipal
seminar
on
the
21st
and
23rd,
so
neither
of
us
would
be
able
to
staff
anything
on
them
inside
Thursday.
I
The
other
thing
is
now
last
time
I
spoke
with
you
all
about
our
version
funds,
one
thousand
dollars
in
conversion
money
in
the
common
Council
budget
to
use
the
rest
of
this
year
or
half
of
it,
and
then
classification
to
do
with
the
supplies
on
half
of
it.
In
these
classification
for
each
service
fund.
H
I
B
H
A
I
A
K
K
Draft
change
that
it's
very,
very
inspiring,
there's
so
many
important
subjects
to
address
when
it
comes
to
Chronic,
Public,
Safety
and
marginalized
rooms
and
I
was
here
to
just
address
one
of
those
that
I
feel
that
I
know,
because
I
watched
the
46
minute
camps,
Public,
Safety,
Town,
Hall,
and
not
once
not
once
with
the
word
victim
mentioned,
which
almost
seems
impossible
from
a
group
dedicated
to
crime
and
Public
Safety
and
making
things
better
for
all
parties
involved
in
that
spectrum
of
chronic
Public
Safety.
K
Because
marginalized
you
know,
originally
the
term
marginalized
came
from
putting
people
putting
something
in
the
margin.
You
know
you
had
to
work,
and
you
had
your
on
the
side,
make
a
little
footnote
in
the
margin,
not
really
including
everything
and
essentially
I,
feel
like
the
commission
has
marginalized
to
an
extent
and
I'm
so
glad
to
hear
there's
two
years
of
research
and
studying,
but
from
module
46
minute,
Town
Hall.
When
you
wanted
to
put
everything
out
there
I
feel
like
you
marginalized
Crime
Victims
in
Bloomington,
it's
the
definition
of
martial
art
marginalized.
K
K
This
committee
should
be
more
considerate
than
including
this
marginalized
group
of
crime
names.
You
know
if
there's
a
10
year
old,
a
few
two
tailor
olds
on
an
elementary
school
playground
and
one
of
them
goes
up
to
another
child
and
just
punches
a
bit
in
the
face.
There's
going
to
be
a
Russian
teachers
to
help
me
beaten
down,
student
and
there'll
be
a
Russian
teacher
going
to
the
student
who
did
this
to
try
to
figure
out
what
caused
it
what's
their
cause
and
what's
going
on
at
home,
what's
the
capital
and
a
10
year
old?
K
Does
this
could
be
equal
weight
on
both
sides
to
try
to
make
that
injured
child
safe
to
come
back
to
school
the
next
day
and
should
try
to
work
it
out
equally
on
both
sides?
They
don't
feel
like
the
position
is
doing
that
there
are
scientific
studies.
I
didn't
hear
any
of
them,
mentioning
all
the
things.
I
follow
scientific
studies
that
tied
into
the
impact
on
victims
as
it
relates
to
how
criminals
are
punished
and
how
that
does
or
does
not
affect
the
victims.
K
These
are
legitimate,
Studies,
Academy
of
Pediatrics
and
many
others,
but
what
happens
to
that
victim
and
we,
they
don't
feel
like
the
criminal,
was
punished
by.
Why
don't
I
consider
long-term
mental
health
needs?
There
are
thousands
of
people,
thousands
of
victims
in
Monroe
County
in
Wilmington,
and
many
of
them
are
very
marginalized
groups
victimhood.
There
was
no
no
boundaries,
I
understand
that
the
prosecutor's
office,
it's
commonly
perceived
that
name,
a
victims,
Services
representatives
and
that
they
help
victims.
K
If
you
spoke
to
real
victims,
most
of
them
would
say
the
the
states
goals
and
the
states
stance
is
not
aligned
with
what
they
need.
The
prosecutor
is
not
there
to
speak
for
victims,
they
really
are
not.
Victims
are
there
to
speak
for
victims.
I,
don't
accept
any
marginalized
group
to
have
someone
else
in
government
speaking
to
them
a
wholeheartedly.
So
I
would
just
encourage
the
commission
to
think
about
this
and
to
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
I
was
invited
to
hear
that
you
were
behind
not
that
anybody
was
sick.
K
I
was
glad
to
hear
that
you
were
behind
in
preparing
the
report
for
recommendation,
because
this
really
needs
to
be
addressed.
You
know
I'll
just
point
to
that
if
it
was
the
inside
of
their
mind
the
gap
and
we
can't
let
one
person's
safety
for
another,
that's
God
will
do
the
victory.
It
has
to
do
and
there's
so
many
examples
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
out
there
that
you
can
find
that
this
at
all.
K
So
the
lessons
to
take
away
to
steal
your
words
and
maybe
that
violence,
your
crimes
against
people
is
a
smaller
threat
and
reality
that
I've
received
the
deal.
That's
what
you
said
it
may
be.
The
other
way
around
too,
should
be
considered
more
strongly.
K
E
A
Do
we
need
time
for
a
brief
recess,
or
does
everybody
good
to
push
on
I'm,
not
trying
to
rush
I?
Just
I
was
telling
them
I
had
a
child
care
and
Smith
come
outside
to
leave
that
board.
So
the
more
I'd
like
to
be
here
as
much
as
possible,
but
if
we
need
a
break,
we
can
take
one
now.
A
New
business
Community
event
planning
discussion
of
General
timeline
for
Paul
event
and
is
that
different
from
the
15th
event
or.
B
Be
putting
on
an
event
for
the
fall.
Obviously
we
are
limited
on
time,
so
this
could
go
and
get
discussed
during
our
work
session,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there.
So
everyone
can
start
thinking
like
what
steps
do
we
need
to
take
and
kind
of
like
what
event
we
want
to
plan
and
just
get
that
you
know
start
thinking
about
what
we
can
gain
from
the
event
we
want
to
do.
Exemplative,
research
thing
or
other
types
of
community
outreach.
F
I
I
guess
the
one
that
we
had
to
staff
Call
was
focused
mostly
on
like
the
alternative,
Public
Safety
Outreach
topic,
so
we'll
be
choosing
like
another
like
another
big
kind
of
to
like
push
to
be
asking
for
Community
feedback
on
at
that
time.
B
I
would
think
it
and
it
could
be
helpful.
This
is
a
thought
because
we
we've
only
done
the
spring
event.
B
If
you
did
like
a
fall
in
a
spring
event,
we
could
in
the
fall
kind
of
open
it
up
to
like
what
should
we
focused
on
like
our
comment
from
the
public,
like
ought
to
be
missing
things
right
and
kind
of
open
that
up
before,
but
like
General
Community
event,
where
we
can
get
input
on
where
we
should
focus
and
then
the
spring
could
be
more
research-based,
but
that's
I
thought
I
literally
just
came
up
with
him.
F
I
wouldn't
mind
if
we
moved
towards.
You
know
asking
for
public
input
on
like
psychological
safety
measures
going
back
to
like
Sanctuary
City
for.
E
F
F
Would
be
super
cool,
super
cool
and
then,
if
we
were
to
make
a
you
know
and
pass
a
resolution
to
this,
you
know
we
could
work
on
that,
have
the
event
and
then
move
forward
after
that,
with
the
actual
resolution,
yeah
and
submission
to
the
general
admission,
no.
A
B
A
H
Oh
yeah:
well,
my
input
is
two
possibilities,
so
the
I
mean
and
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
do
multiple
events,
but
the
actually
what's
on
next
on
the
agenda
that
genealogy
or
that
Juneteenth
event
that
obviously
it's
not
going
to
be
for
Juneteenth
now,
because
the
time
timing,
but
also
Cami,
had
already
mentioned
that
she
was
thinking
the
event
might
be
better
in
September
or
October
because
of
I
guess
some
events
that
they're
planning
at
the
Monroe
County
History
Center
around
that
time
around
black
genealogy-
and
we
are
talking
to
another
speaker
about
possibly
working
with
us
on
that.
H
So
that's
a
possibility.
Another
possibility
is
it's
something
again:
that's
it
later
on
the
agenda,
but
for
IU
Cinema.
H
They
actually
offer
a
program
called
screen
share
where
you
can
suggest
a
film
and
I've
I
was
thinking
on
the
topic
of
alternative
Public
Safety,
like
one
thing
we
mentioned
at
the
Town
Hall,
was
that
our
special
committee
was
hoping
that
our
commission
might
help
reframe
Public
Safety
in
our
community,
from
a
law
enforcement
lens
to
a
more
Community
Based
view
of
Public
Safety,
and
there
is
actually
a
documentary
that
came
out
this
year
in
2023.
H
That
interviewed
lots
of
experts
on
this
topic,
including
Alex
Vitale,
he's
interviewed
in
this
that's
making
the
round
and
National
screenings
so
that
I
I
was
going
to
propose
that
our
commission
worked
on
collaborating
with
IU
Cinema
to
host
that
film
sometime
in
the
next
year.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
in
the
fall,
but.
A
B
So
you've
got
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
options
now
that
it's
opened
up
to
do
you
think
we
could
just
hop
like
on
google,
doc
or
I,
don't
know
if
Excel
would
be
better
just
something
where
we
can
start
charting
in
like
different
ideas
for
events
just
so
we
can
all
collaborate
on
that
way.
B
A
Well,
you're
already
talking
about
that,
you
just
want
to
move
to
that
a
little
bit
and
just
discuss
how
that's
going
that
you
kind
of
mentioned
a
little
bit
with
that.
But
just.
H
Yeah
so
yeah
it's
not
going
to
be
a
Juneteenth
event
that
would
better
be
changed.
The
top
the
name
of
that
event
could
be
better,
be
described
in
the
agenda
as
black
genealogy
event
rather
than
Juneteenth.
Initially,
when
Cami
had
the
idea
back
in
February,
she
thought
maybe
Juneteenth,
but
actually
she'd
already
decided
a
long
time
ago.
H
That
Juneteenth
wasn't
a
good
time
plus
there's
lots
of
Juneteenth
events
in
Bloomington
and
so
I
think
also
because
we're
collaborating
with
the
Monroe
County
History
Center
on
that
and
I
guess,
I
think
September
or
October
she
said
was
now
the
new
time
that
we're
aiming
for
but
yeah
the
most
update
is
that
we
reached
out
to
some
possible
speakers
in
Indianapolis.
H
I've
got
it
written
here,
caressa
Doolin
Hale.
She
wrote
her
biography
on
From
Slavery
to
statehood,
a
family
history
in
the
Creek
Nation,
and
so
we're
talking
with
her
about
possibly
being
a
speaker
and
organizing
the
event
around
that
and
again
I
believe
that
Monroe
County
History
Center
has
said
that
they
could
put
up
some
funds
to
pay
for
her.
So
hopefully
we
wouldn't
need
to
dip
into
our
own
fund
funds
that
much
for
the
for
this.
A
All
right
continuing
on
other
business
scheduling
in
updates
and
vote
on
any
newly
approved
schedule.
B
F
I'm,
just
gonna
add
one
more
thing
about
the
Juneteenth
event,
and
that
was
that
I
thought
we
were
basically
going
to
be
doing
something
at
like
the
city's
Juneteenth
event.
I
kind
of
misunderstood,
because
I
was
just
through
that
one
meeting,
so
I
was
wondering
one
of
the
things
I
thought
we
could
potentially
use
the
some
of
our
money,
for
them
would
be
just
to
make
like
a
like
a
sign
for
our
caps
commission
and
then
we
could
be
physically
present
at
an
event
such
as
Jim
team.
F
To
like
have
one
of
us
standing
there
with,
like.
You
know
a
flyer
like
so
that
the
community
is
more
aware
of
what
is
caps
commission
and
what
we're
doing,
for
you
know
marginalized
populations,
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
I
mean
that
would
just
be
something
where
we
could
get
somebody
to
be
designed
a
possibly
a
graphic
designer
who
would
possibly
one
of
us
to
design
like
an
image.
Have
a
fine
Mage.
You
know
like
they
stand
on
the
corner
of
the
B-Line.
Sometimes
the
proselytizers
that
was
just
something
I
was
going
to
consider.
H
A
Does
anybody
have
somebody
input
on
that?
Do
we
want
to
pursue
like.
F
C
I
I'm,
fine,
it
isn't
a
chance
Gathering,
that's
not
a
meeting,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
want
to
fall
back
too
far
on
that
role,
you
know.
E
F
A
B
I
E
I
Color
and
we
gave
them
to
the
committee
to
give
about
as
they
would
so
if
you
design
something
for
18
days
from
now,.
F
Okay,
we
would
even
have
to
have
like
some
just
some
sort
of
an
image
saying
the
name
of
the
committee
and
then
like
a
description
of
what
is
the
committee
and
maybe
a
brief
explanation
of
what
work
has
already
been
done.
For
instance,
it's
kind
of
just
touching
on
the
alternative,
Public
Safety
outrage,
and
then
you
know
be
part
of
activities
moving
forward.
You
know
also
mentioned
that
it.
You
know
mentioning
that
it
is
public.
Anybody
can
attend
these
meetings
online
if
they
want
to
have
their
info
their
voice
heard
on
these
matters.
We.
F
E
A
C
G
B
E
A
All
right,
so
that's
everybody!
So
that's
now
the
official
time.
Moving
on
to
the
Start
program,
I
know
you
sent
out
this
for
all
of
us
to
start
reading.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
yet
today
to
read
it,
but
that's:
okay.
D
I
can
just
highlight
a
couple
things
yeah,
so
I
designed
the
guidelines
for
the
report
after
a
professional
writing
course
that
I
teach
in
the
Bible
recommendation
report,
and
so
one
key
element
of
that
report
is
you
are
not
the
experts.
You
are
pulling
together
expertise
and
giving
it
to
somebody
who
is
in
a
position
to
take
action
and
So
like
I,
met
with
this
team
and
had
to
do
another
revision
and
said
you
know,
even
if
they
don't
take
the
suggestions
that
you're
offering
here.
D
What
is
the
one
important
thing
to
address?
The
problem
that
you
identified
so
just
to
draw
attention
to
a
couple
spots
on
the
first
page
is
where
they
identified.
What
they
see
is
the
problem
at
the
very
bottom.
D
The
lack
of
new
units
available
for
low-income
households
and
the
growing
right
has
caused
the
community
to
be
stuck
in
a
cycle
on
the
Band-Aids
and
things
being
applied,
and
so
I
think
that
really
pulls
from
that,
because
school
students
and
really
kind
of
focuses
what
the
report
is
meant
to
address,
not
to
say
we
know
all
about
housing
and
what
you
should
do
to
solve.
D
It
like
you,
haven't,
been
working
on
it,
but
that
on
page
five
they
talk
about
and
they
met
with
John
Zone
who's,
the
director
of
the
band,
and
so
they
it
is
very
based
in
our
community,
not
just
looking
at
the
case
studying
because
they
think
they
could
help
Bloomington.
But
they
started
by
in
Bloomington
and
then
looked
at
whatever
what
he
said.
They
needed
to
be
directed
to
there's
other
spots,
but
the
overall
recommendation.
In
the
end
they
only
bolded
it.
D
So
it
sticks
out
a
little
bit,
but
they
suddenly
recommended
the
city
council
and
and
work
with
developers
to
develop
a
large
apartment,
complex
solely
focused
on
affordability,
and
so
that's
something
that
they've
drawn
from
there:
their
expertise
and
the
experts
they
spoke
to.
D
What
is
the
one
thing
to
address
that
and
the
the
subject
to
the
last
paragraph
on
economic
is
where
they
talk
about
even
at
the
council,
determines
that
this
is
not
usable
even
just
making
another.
Five
percent
of
the
units
affordable
will
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
city
without
congregations
of
large-scale
in
the
production,
and
that
was
what
was
compelling
to
me,
of
course,
I'm
outside
of
real
estate,
so
but
Tyler.
You
also
said
that
you
found
a
fairly
compelling.
Do
you
want
to
tell
you
more
about
that.
D
I
said
you
said
you
found
this
pretty
compelling.
Do
you
understand
more
about
that
yeah.
G
No
I
just
so
what
I
found
pretty
compelling
was
how
much
like
just
how
much
of
the
market
is
being
developed
for
students
in
luxury
housing
and
like
I
work
in
like
a
student,
housing
industry
and
so
like
I,
definitely
see
that
uptick
and
like
this
definitely
needs
to
have
more
affordable
housing
in
this
city,
and
you
know
so.
G
I
would
really
like
these
recommendations
and
definitely
would
like
to
help
you
know,
maybe
in
this
research
or
anything
that
has
to
do
with
that,
because
this
is
good
stuff
right
here.
I
H
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
in
the
past
we
in
the
past
years
of
this
commission,
various
people
have
had
an
interest.
We
even
had
a
housing
committee
at
one
point
that
basically
dissolved
because
the
chair
didn't
have
well.
The
chair
left
the
commission,
the
committee,
but
anyway,
that
is
a
possibility.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
if
the
commission,
if
anyone
was,
was
considering
doing
serious
work
on
this
issue,
I
would
recommend
putting
together
a
committee
possibly
for.
B
H
H
Go,
oh,
no,
no
I,
don't
think
so.
I
just
think
the
issue
is
something
that
might
require
more
yeah
work.
Besides
just
this
report
that
we've
received.
D
E
B
And
I
did
have
a
question
so,
and
this
relates
to
like
partially
in
our
policy
and
stuff,
like
that.
We
usually
done
resolutions
in
the
past.
But
if
we
just
wanted
to
like
send
this
as
a
recommendation
to
the
council,
because
obviously
this
would
be
included
in
our
yearly
report.
But
I
also
feel
like.
It
should
be
included
on
its
own.
B
As
like
a
current
recommendation
because,
like
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
they
could
be
putting
budget
to-
and
we
want
to
make
sure
they
have
that
in
their
radar
before
budget
receivers
starts
so
I,
don't
know
what
would
be
the
right
term
or
right
thing
to
submit.
Then
right.
I
I
It
was
a
nice
form
of
habits,
you
could
also
send
it
to
them
in
an
email
or
some
other
format
and
say
our
commission
is
working
you're
deleting
you.
We
should
take
a
look
at
so
it's
whatever.
You
would
want
to
really
do
that.
F
E
D
B
I
know
in
the
past
the
City
Council
Deal
and
talked
about
wanting
us
to
like
be
able
to
present
more
often
like
in
the
chambers.
Is
that,
like
one
of
those
times
where
we
could
possibly
just
go
there
and
kind
of
say
hey?
This
is
some
of
the
work
we've
been
doing
lately
and
provide
it
more
than
that
format
as
well.
I
Yeah,
if
you
want
to
do
more
regular,
if
you
want
to
you,
know,
look
forward
to
write
the
reports.
Thank
you.
We
were
just
about
to.
E
I
Know
usually
the
reports
in
the
University
offices
and
then
I'll,
probably
after
that
so
yeah,
it
can
be
something
that
you
thank
you.
C
E
B
And
so
maybe
we
could
do
like
a
resolution
or
with
Ash
a
little
bit
to
get
a
full
night
package
and
then
report
it
present
on.
J
A
Okay,
I
love,
you
you
have
another
research
committee
too
I
just
think
we
have
something
I
feel
like
we
should,
since
I've
been
here.
I
actually
have
a
question
like
I
think
it
would
be
a
show
that
we're
doing
something
and
if
we're
pushing
things
to
the
moon
like
on
every
you
know
regular
thing,
but
all
this
hard
work,
but
this
it
does
have
a
nice
summary
wrap
up
like
this
is
what
we
think
I
think
that's
a
cool
thing
to
be
pushing,
but.
D
A
It
is
something
I'm,
hoping
to
start
a
little
bit
more
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
else
was
interested
in
that
wanting
to
start
a
research
committee
on
that
or
if
that'll
just
be
something
I
solo
work
on
I
have
started
just
because
I
work
with
so
many
EMT
people,
and
so
many
nurses
and
stuff
I
have
started
talking
to
them
just
very
generally
I'm
like
hey.
What
would
be
something.
A
You
know
just
a
general
one
of
my
co-workers
at
work.
He
still
is
actually
an
ENT,
and
so
me-
and
him
have
just
been
round
here-
roundtabling
but
then
I've
talked
to
a
couple
of
nurses
of
me
on
two
just
like
hey.
What
would
be
something
so
that
is
something
I
want
to
just
really
quickly
briefly
talk
on
that
I
do
want
to
pursue
that
other
anybody
that
wants
to
join
it.
A
A
H
I,
just
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
it's
part
of
the
alternative,
Public
Safety
work
that
we're
doing
we've
done
a
lot
of
research
and
Outreach.
Already
on
the
issue
of
emergency
dispatch,
it's
actually
probably
like
one
of
the
major
parts
of
our
work
and
so
yeah.
We're
definitely
going
to
be
suggesting
some
proposals
regarding
emergency
dispatch,
and
so
hopefully,
you'll
have
a
lot
to
chime
in
on
on
that
part
of
our
report.
H
E
H
To
hear
that
Tyler
and
that
you
both
have
experience
and
interest
in
this
topic
and
connections,
yeah.
A
Yeah
and
it's
been
I
work
with
the
hospital
all
the
time,
and
we
were
talking
about
that
before
coming
in
here,
but
it's
just
something:
I
am
passionate
about
and
hearing
stories.
You
know
it
becomes
anything.
Oh
man
this
weekend,
I
had
to
deal
with
this
or
I
had
to
deal
with
this,
and
a
lot
of
them
are
things
where
I
really
think
we
could
push
impact,
since
that
could
help
so.
A
E
B
Vote
and
we
could
also
because
in
research,
we're
just
kind
of
in
that
limbo,
we
could
also
have
it
where
the
research
committee
is
anytime.
Someone
has
like
a
big
idea
like
that
we
can
move
it
there.
Have
anyone
interested
during
that
committee
start
working
on
it
and
then,
when
that's
done,
we
can
move
on
to
another
topic,
because
it's
hardwood
research
to
focus
on
multiple
different
topics
at
once,.
A
E
A
Thanks,
everybody
and
sorry
I
couldn't
stay
for
the
rest
of
it.
I'll
try
to
watch
it
I
think
because
I've
been
watching
well
recordings.
Thank
you
guys.
All
have
a
great
day.
B
E
I
B
The
reversions
was
the
thousand
dollar
fund
right,
okay,
so
yeah
I'm
saying
we
can
create
some
type
of
Doc
or
something
like
that
or
if
we
can
start
coming
up
with
ideas,
keeping
track
of
community
events
that
we
can
be
present
at
and
kind
of,
get
an
understanding
for
how
we're
going
to
be
able
to
use
that
money,
and
we
can
have
like
a
working
session
where
we
kind
of
solidify
the
timeline
and
everything
like
that.
We're
going
to
do
in
a
big
event
like
we
did
in
the
spring.
F
Does
it
cost
so?
Does
it
cost
money
to
like
work
with
IU
Cinema
to
get
a
like
to
sponsor
a
movie
like
majorly
was
talking
about?
Do
you
have
to
like.
H
Yeah,
they
have
different
ways
to
do
it
and,
depending
on
like
that,
I
was
thinking
that
we
would
apply
for
a
couple
of
the
programs
they
have
for
non-profit
organizations
where
they
were.
They
pay
for
the
like
licensing
fees,
because
the
most
the
films
require
these
to
show
them
and
then,
in
addition,
there's
like
it
depends
on
how
you
do
it
like.
H
If
we
just
wanted
to
say,
rent
the
cinema
like
as
if
we
were
a
private
group,
then
we
would
just
have
to
pay
out
of
pocket
for
I
would
guess
the
rental
of
the
place,
the
time
of
the
staff
plus
the
film
rights.
Otherwise
we
can
apply
for
their
non-profit
programs
and
there's
a
couple
of
different
ones
and
I
I
actually
have
an
item
on
the
agenda
to
discuss
that.
Maybe
it's
not
I'm,
not
sure.
What's.
B
And
then
the
2024
budgeting
process,
which
is
how
we
can
plus
we
get
budgets
for
next
year.
We
want
to
continue
doing
events
and
stuff
for
the
budget
process.
Would
we
do
that,
possibly
like
in
our
final
report
or
our
yearly
report,
ask
for
more
per
budget.
I
You
know
to
be
separate,
so
this
is,
if
you
want
to
have
funds
for
2024.,
and
the
regular
budget
process
starts
the
budgeting
presentation
of
our
in
August.
So
it
starts
pretty
soon.
I
think
one
of
the
next
budget
meetings
happens
with
the
mayor
and
the
council
coming
up
this
month,
but
Ellen
house
has
improved
the
budget
by
the
later
than
November
1st
for
the
next
year,
or
else
the
the
budget
of
the
current
year
stays
the
next.
I
So
it's
a
process
for
the
Phoenix
will
be
early.
I
think
what
we
would
need
on
one
of
the
accounts
accomplish
money
you're
requesting
and
what
it's
for-
and
you
know,
kind
of
a
line
by
line
it
doesn't
have
to
be
in
full.
Itemization
of
team
is,
however,
much
dollars
for
my
own
kids,
but
you
know
kind
of
what
you're
looking
to
spend
money
on
and
I
think
when
I.
I
That
there
are
qualifications,
you
know
like
classifications,
but
you
know
how
much
money
you
want
to
have
for
supplies.
Let
me
get
that
in
Council,
Office
budget.
E
C
B
Right
and
then
topics
first
future
agendas,
I
added
in
the
line
for
commissioner
ideas
for
discussion
so
similar
to
The
First
Responders
research.
If
anyone
has
ideas
open
gender,
affirming
Caravan
like
anything
like
that,
this
is
the
time
for
us.
It's
just
kind
of
discuss
what
main
topics
we're
gonna.
We
should
focus
on.
B
H
Names
that
oh
yeah,
so
so
yeah,
so
one
of
the
expected
recommendations
that
we're
planning
to
have
for
the
alternative,
Public
Safety
special
committee
is
continued
public
engagement
on
the
issue
of
reframing
the
way
our
community
views,
Public
Safety,
as
I
mentioned
from
the
lens
of
law
enforcement,
which
is
traditionally
command
and
control.
H
H
So
the
the
bigger
one
is
would
be,
it's
called
creative
collaborations
and
that's
where
the
application
period,
it's
basically
applying
for
a
grant,
and
so
as
part
of
that
Grant,
the
grant
money
pays
for
the
time
of
the
cinema
staff
it
pays
for
and
it
pays
for
some
of
the
fees.
But
we
still
would
be
expected
it's
kind
of
it's.
Oh
it's!
H
It's
basically
an
in-kind
Grant,
so
it
basically
pays
for
a
thousand
dollars
of
the
cinema,
stat
IU
Cinema
staff
time,
and
then
we
would
be
expected
to
come
up
with
at
least
70
percent
of
other
funds
and
I've
been
doing
a
little
work.
I
I
did
I
did
some
Outreach
to
find
out
what
that
might
be,
and
the
budget
that
we
would
need
to
come
up
with
might
be
around
two
thousand
dollars,
and
that
might
be
something
that
we
could
ask
the
city
council
for
in
our
budget
request.
H
So
how
the
timeline
works
is
the
application
Time
Season.
The
applications
are
submitted
between
August
and
December,
so
we
don't
need
to
necessarily
do
a
lot
of
work
on
it
now,
but
I'm
just
bringing
it
up
so
that
we
can
anyone
who's
interested
in
working
on
it
with
me,
could
possibly
join
and
and
I
definitely
don't
plan
to
do
any
work
on
it
until
after
the
alternative,
Public
Safety
report
is
completed,
and
so
again
it's
just
something
to
think
about,
and
in
that
program
we
would
have
three
three
films.
H
So
we
would
basically
be
sponsoring
a
film
series
on
the
topic
and
they
I
mean
I,
don't
think
they
necessarily
have
to
all
be
on
the
same
topic
of
you
know,
alternative
crisis
response,
but
that
that's
the
the
first
but
but
you
know
so
possibly
it's
something
our
commission
could
consider
doing
various
topics
you
know,
but
anyway,
that's
something
for
us
to
think
about,
and
the
the
funds
will
possibly
need
additional
funds.
H
If
we
want
to
do
something
really
cool
like
bring
in
maybe
some
of
the
filmmakers
in
person
to
speak
at
the
events
or
possibly
engage
with
subject
matter,
experts
at
IU
to
come
and
be
speakers
stuff
like
that,
so
there's
possibilities
there
again
it's
something
for
the
future,
but
I
wanted
to
mention
it
and
then
the
other
program
that
they
have.
H
That
I
think
we
should
also
take
part
in
sooner
is
call,
is
called
screen,
share,
I
believe,
and
that
would
be
for
this
year
because
the
again
the
creative
collaborations,
the
the
grant
timeline,
runs
from
August
to
December.
And
then
you
actually
have
the
film
series
the
next
year.
H
So
the
film
series
would
be
2024
2025
school
year,
okay,
so
we're
planning
way
in
advance,
but
the
screen
share
program
would
be
for
this
year
and
it's
only
one,
film
and
I
would
highly
recommend,
like
I
said
this
one
reimagining
safety
that
the
filmmaker
described
thusly
worldwide
protests
following
the
2020
murder
of
George
George
Floyd
included,
calls
to
defund
or
abolish
the
police
until
a
sharp
Rising
crime
gave
politicians
and
police
supporters
the
fuel
they
needed
to
suppress
the
movement.
H
Unfortunately,
a
detailed
conversation
about
transforming
Public
Safety
was
never
had
in
this
film
10
experts
discuss
how
policing
and
incarceration
create
more
harm
than
good
and
why
the
system
persists
and
what
changes
can
be
made
to
make
everyone
safe
and
so
yeah
I
think
it'd
be
really
cool
to
have
that
some,
like
this
type
of
event
this
year,
it
I
think
it'd
be
awesome
if
we
could
get
funds
to
actually
bring
in
either
the
filmmaker
or
Alex
Vitale
who's.
Already
friends
of
the
commission
and
has
has
been
working
closely
with
our
special
committee.
H
You
know
to
Bloomington
to
you,
know,
host
the
film
or
talk
about
it,
so
so
yeah.
What
do
you
all
think
about
that.
H
Yeah,
so
the
screen
share
program,
I,
believe
I
think
that
IU
Cinema
would
pay
for
the
film
rights
and
then
our
costs
would
be
if
again,
if
we
want
to
bring
in
speakers,
if
we
wanted
to
bring
in
speakers
which
I
think
would
be
really
cool
and
we'd
probably
get
more
people
to
come.
If
we,
you
know
either
brought
in
the
filmmaker
or
Alex
to
that
event,
it'd
also
be
really
nice.
H
If
we
could
collaborate,
I
mean
this
kind
of
event
is
our
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
other
organizations
in
the
community.
So,
for
instance,
we
could
collaborate
with
you
know
we
could
find
some
subject
matter
experts,
possibly
from
IU
from
the
school
criminal,
justice
or
other
departments,
and
you
know
or
work
with
local
organizations
who
do
work
in
this
area
to
collaborate
on
producing
an
event
like
that.
H
So
yeah.
If
anyone's
interested
like,
let
me
know-
and
we'll
probably
start
on
that,
once
we
get
the
report
done.
B
Yeah,
if
you
could
I
mean
I,
definitely
think
that
would
be
a
great
area
for
again.
If
you
need
to
come
together,
Public
Safety
discussions,
kind
of
getting
more
Community
input
and
more
casual
in
you
know
conversations
around
it
if
it
was
this
year.
We
just
really
need
to
know
the
price
point
for
the
screen
share
the
single
film,
because
if
it's
up
there
in
the
a
thousand
dollars
or
anything
like
that,
that's
gonna
be
our
whole
budget
for
this
year.
H
I
feel
like
yeah
I'll,
try
to
find
out
what
the
cost
would
be
for
the
screen
share
program.
I
actually
didn't
look
at
that
one
as
much,
and
that
way
we
could
put
whatever
it
would
be
into
our
budget
request,
and
another
possibility
is
if
we
could
find
you
know
local
Partners
to
collaborate
they
may
be
able
to
help
pitch
in
some
funds.
H
H
B
Any
other
comments
on
Value
Cinema
yeah
all
right,
and
then
we
already
discuss
first
responder
research,
so
updating
procedures
in
bylaws.
That
was
something
from
the
last
meeting
which
you
look
over
and
everything
was
basically
drafted.
We
never
voted
on
anything
and
I
don't
know.
Do
we
have
to
vote
on
it
like
officially.
I
I
think
so
I
I
apologize
or
what
I
remember
from
the
last
meetings.
I
think
you
mentioned
you
wanted
to
work
on
this
during
the
work
session.
Possibly
I
forgot
to
delete
that
from
the
agenda,
but
if
you
wanted
to
add
official
dialogue
and
yes,
you
have
to
vote
on
them
in
a
regular
meeting,
but
it
sounds
like
you're
not
really
there.
Yet
yeah.
B
B
And
keep
the
zoom
going
all
right
and
then
the
same
will
go
for
the
annual
reports
to
councils.
Unless
anyone
has
any
comments
on
those
two,
we
can
move
those
to
the
working
session.
B
Okay
and
then
there's
the
deaf
club
and
the
implicit
bias
painting
which
were
you
the
one
that
recommended
the
explicit
bias,
training
or
put
that
on.
H
The
agenda
that
could
have
been
Camelot
because
that's
something
that
I
think
chips
is
offering
and
she's
a
member
of
those
chips,
groups
and
I,
and
she
actually
had
mentioned
to
me
that
there
were
openings
and
possibilities
for
by
implicit
bias.
Training,
I
think
that
was
cami's
thing.
That
was
not
mine,
okay,
yeah.
B
They
will
hopefully,
which
will
get
feeling
better
and
we'll
talk
about
anything
to
do
with
that
in
the
next
full.
B
Right
yeah
was
it
more
of
a
like
just
to
let
everyone
know
or
was
it
you
know
at
all
if
it
was
like
for
us
to
collaborate
or
have
a
discussion
about
it,.
H
H
She's,
better
now
and
she's
able
to
work
on
stuff.
She
just
had
a
meeting.
She
just
had
an
overbook
double
booking
with
her
schedule
for
today.
H
B
B
All
right
definitely
the
bylaws.
H
Spending
the
money
spending
our
budget
for
this
year
because
I
know
the
little
experience
I
have
in
like
government
and
with
budgeting
I
know
that
you
need
to
spend
the
money
they've
given
you.
If
you
want
to
get
more
money
in
the
future,
spend
it
well
not
just
spend
it
but
show
results
right.
Yeah,.
B
The
community
event
planning
we'll
go
through
that.
I
B
I
E
B
I
think
that
was
the
main
things
we
have
that
we
definitely
need
to
get
next
meeting.
I
said
that
we
talked
about,
we
definitely
start
talking
about
the
community
event
planning
so
that
we
figure
out
how
to
use
our
budget
and
then
obviously
the
cat's
annual
report.
So
those
will
be
the
two
biggest
priorities.
F
B
Yeah,
so
those
will
go
together
because
we
haven't
started
on
the
actual
annual
report.
We
can
start
do
that
and
then
start
seeing
how
we
want
to
mesh
that
into
that
other
parts
of
what
we've
done
this
past
year.
E
I
J
Hi,
thank
you.
I!
Don't
want
to
take
much
time.
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
know
that
the
link
to
this
meeting
in
the
city's
calendar
of
meetings
is
wrong.
That's
why
I
didn't
get
here
for
first
half
hour,
I
kept
sitting
there
waiting
for
you
to
come
and
I
think
now
that
I've
looked
at
it
more
carefully.
The
link
in
the
calendar
is
set
to
go
to
your
work
session
instead
of
today's
session
I
Found
You
by
going
back
to
your
website
and
then
finding
the
agenda
for
this
meeting
and
clicking
on
that
link.
F
And
that
gentleman
that
was
here
earlier,
you
know
that's
a
shame.
I
feel
like
he
was
expressing
some
level
of
hurt
for
himself
or
other
people
who
have
been
victims
of
crime,
so
I
feel
like
you
know,
we
didn't
really
respond
in
the
moment.
He
was
out
pretty
fast,
but
I
certainly
feel
for
his
suffering
error
that
he
or
something
he
knows
might
have
gone
through.
Yeah.
B
As
we've
done
and
I
do
think,
it's
important
that
we
consider
those
different
focuses,
especially
when
he
was
talking
about
I,
think
about
the
first
responder
Outreach
yeah
I
mean
that's
part
of
First
Responders
having
you
know,
social
workers
or
mental
health
care
experts
with
them
can
really
help
assist
victims
like
different
types
of
Public,
Safety.
L
B
Know
prior
requirements
anything
like
that
that
can
they
can
be
the
first
person
there
to
help.
C
Yeah
it
actually,
it
was
something
that
I
didn't
think
about.
I
did
attend
the
event,
and
my
focus
group
just
I,
think
based
off
of
like
I
work
at
an
agency
focused
on
like
survivors
of
domestic
violence,
sexual
violence
and
we
had
a
lot
of
people
are
guessing
like
similar
grounds.
We
ended
up
talking
about
I,
guess,
victims
of.
C
I
think
we
did
have
the
reports
at
the
end,
but
maybe
like
finding
a
way
to
bring
everyone
more
together,
because
I
know
that
the
groups
to
talk
about
like
very
different
things,
which
is
probably
what
was
intended
but
yeah
I,
guess
it
leaves
the
option
for
leaving
people
out
more.
Even
though
there
are
just
so
many
different
things
that
can
be
talked
about
in
public
safety.
D
My
initial
thing,
your
response
to
that
is
like
yes,
the
introduction
and
inclusion
at
the
end
didn't
address,
or
we
we
didn't
represent
victims
right,
but
that's
what
the
sessions
were
intended
to.
E
D
E
C
F
Of
times
things
like
what
you're
all
talking
about
at
that
meeting,
focus
on
you
know
helping
the
perpetrators
of
crimes
or
alleviating
their.
You
know
negative
impacts
and
not
the
victims,
but,
of
course
I
would
you
know
say
that
our
perpetrators
and
crimes
are
of
themselves
most
often
also
victims.
B
But
I
understand
that
he
felt
like
a
lot
of
like
the
prosecution
and.
B
G
Sorry,
yeah
and
like
also
like
do
like
he
said,
do
more
research
on
it
or
look
into
more
scientific
studies
around
it
or
something
like
that.
So.
D
H
Yeah
I
I
heard
him
as
saying
he
didn't
say
it
explicitly,
but
with
his
focus
on
the
word,
marginalization
and
saying
that
we
use
that
word
a
lot,
but
we
didn't
use
the
word
victim.
I
took
that
to
mean
that
he
was
implying.
H
Our
focus
on
marginalized
people
implies
that
we
are
focused
more
on
helping
perpetrators
of
crimes
rather
than
victims,
and
I
think
that
that
that
shows
that
there's
more
work
to
be
done
on
our
end
on
communication,
because
that's
certainly
not
I
mean
in
fact
marginalized
people
are
most
likely
the
victims
of
crimes
and
they're,
definitely
more
likely
they're
more
likely
to
be
the
victims
of
crimes
than
non-marginalized
people
and,
for
example,
the
three
groups
of
marginalized
people
that
we
focused
on
a
lot
which
are
homeless
people
mentally
ill
people
and
drug
users
are
all
you
know.
H
Much
more
likely
is
especially
mentally
ill,
because
this
has
been
focused
on
a
lot
that
it's
a
huge
misconception
right
now
in
the
public
that
mentally
ill
people
are
more
likely
to
commit
violent
crimes.
H
And
all
the
research
shows
that
mentally
ill
people
are
more
likely
to
be
the
victims
and
not
to
not
more
likely
to
commit
violent
crimes
and,
in
fact,
20
25
of
all
I've
actually
done
a
lot
of
research
and
we're
going
to
link
to
more
research
on
this
issue
in
our
report,
but
like
25,
of
all
people
killed
by
police
exhibited
symptoms
of
mental
illness,
so
they're,
actually
one
of
the
most
marginalized
and
victims
of
crimes,
including
Crimes,
by
the
police,
but
I
mean
but
I
mean
to
that
I.
H
Think
that
does
give
us
really
valuable
information
about
how
we
frame
and
how
we
are
communicating
on
these
issues
because
it
like
I,
said
it
seemed
like
he.
He
sees
a
dichotomy
between
victims
and
marginalized
people
and
I
mean
I
I,
see
them
as
very
much
the
same
populations,
if
not
just
incredible
overlap,
and
also
on
the
issue
he
mentioned
like.
We
should
be
considering
how
the
victims
of
crimes,
how
oh,
how
they
could
be
psychologically
better
if
the
criminals
were
like
punished
in
a
better
way
again.
H
I
think
that
it
that
we
could
also
need
to
address
this
in
our
report
that
our
work
on
the
committee
has
been
in
very
scientifically
evidence-based
in
ways
to
prevent
crime
rather
than
trying
to
necessarily
deter
it
through
better
punishment.
H
That's
that
that,
frankly,
is
already
the
traditional
policing,
command
and
control
approach
and
and
we're
taking
a
scientifically
based
route
to
actually
prevent
crimes
from
being
committed,
rather
than
you
know,
because,
frankly,
the
deterrence
approach
is
a
theory
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
scientific
evidence
shown
that
it's
not
necessarily
an
effective
when
you
know
trying
to
deter
people
by
making
an
example
and
punishing
people
isn't
necessarily
I
think
the
most
scientifically
credible
approach
to
preventing
crime.
In
my
opinion,
including
violent
crime,.
C
I
have
a
colleague
who
does
a
lot
of
work
on
accountability
without
necessarily
jail
time
and
I.
Think
it's
something
that
can
be
talked
about,
that
there
is
more
of
a
I
mean
I,
guess
it
kind
of
depends
on
the
crime
and
the
situation.
But
it's
something
that
we
talk
a
lot
about
in
situations
of
domestic
violence,
finding
and
understanding
between
people
and
the
people
defining
their
own
systems
of
accountability,
which
I
think
is
something.
H
That
is
worth
talking
about
yeah
yeah,
actually
conflict
resolution,
and
you
know
like
violence,
Interruption,
violence
preventers
like
that's,
that's
yeah.
That
is
a
bit
a
big
part
of
the
work.
We're
doing
in
some
of
our
recommendations
for
alternative
crisis
response
will
include.
You
know,
part
of
that.
The
the
people
who
would
be
crisis
responders
would
be.
You
know,
people
that
other
communities
call
violence,
Interrupters
that
are
trained.
H
Mediators
such
as
the
c-jam
mediators
that
were
at
our
event
and
I
agree
with
you,
I
think,
conflict
resolution
and
any
kind
of
method
based
on
restorative
justice
is
going
to
be
more
effective
in
the
long
run
at
preventing
conflict
in
general
and
and
violence
in
particular,
then
then,
then,
a
punitive
approach
will
be
because
a
restorative
justice
approach
has
the
consent
of
both
parties,
and
so,
therefore,
it
I
think
is
more
psychologically
effective
than
than
you
know
the
care.
H
B
And
one
thing
in,
like
my
studies
on
procedural
Justice,
was
there's
been
a
lot
of
studies
on
victimhood
and
procedural
Justice,
which
is
like
this
thought
that,
like
the
authority
figure
specifically
in
this,
would
be
the
police
officer
treating
the
victim
with
you
know,
kind,
respectfully,
listening
giving
them
a
voice.
B
Having
empathy
like
all
the
elements
that
we
hope,
especially
from
a
crisis
response
that
like
has
really
pushed
and
started
to
work
on
things
like
that,
that
in
itself
was
actually
found
in
at
least
one
study
was
found
to
be
more
impactful
on
the
victims
than
the
sentencing,
because
they
immediately
felt
like
they
had
like
a
connection
with
the
officer
that
they
were
trusted.
B
They
were
heard,
and
so
they
felt
that
connection
and
everything
was
overall,
more
powerful
than
this
person
being
Thins,
and
that
goes
to
you
know
what
you're
talking
about
with
like
people's
own
ability
to
process
when
they
have
been
like
harmed
or
anything
like
that,
the
Survivor
their
ability
to
process
that
is
based
on
how
other
people
treat
them
in
that
situation
and
the
skills
and
everything
they
get.
It's
not
based
on.
B
If
this
person
gets
two
years
in
jail
or
20.,
you
know,
and
they
victims
have
to
code
in
their
own
ways
and
having
those
healthier
responses.
In
those
cases
chew.
Both
the
perpetrator
and
the
victim
has
been
at
least
in
life
that
he
research,
I've
had
been
shown
more
effective
in
keeping
the
person
who
committed
the
crime
from
you
know
lashing
out
at
officers
making
it
dangerous
for
themselves
or
the
officers
anything
like
that,
and
it
also
helped
the
victim
in
the
end
better
process.
B
C
Yeah
I
think
it's
just
really
important
to
talk
about,
and
especially
living
in
a
conservative
State
like
a
lot
of
forms
of
specifically
like
talking
about
my
work
with
domestic
violence,
sexual
violence.
A
lot
of
those
crimes
aren't
necessarily
illegal
in
Indiana
in
certain
forms
of
them.
So
I
think
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
support
people
when
Indiana
laws
don't
support
them
is
really
important.
Yeah.
H
C
H
Think
there's
a
couple
of
routes
for
us
to
incorporate
his
comments.
One
is
you
know
in
the
work
we're
already
doing
on
alternative
Public
Safety
and
particularly
on
the
community
crisis
response
that
we're
hoping
to
suggest,
but
also
in
the
future
I'm
hoping
that
our
committee
can.
Our
commission
can
have
a
closer
relationship
with
BPD
and
to
be
able
to
advise
on
on
some
of
their
methods
and
practices.
H
So
you
know
maybe
some
of
your
experience
in
research
Shelby
on
that,
particularly
on
how
the
police,
Behavior
impacts,
victims,
I,
think
that
that
would
be
great
if
we
could,
if
we
could,
in
the
future
work
on.
You
know,
collaborating
with
BPD
to
make
use
of
that
information
that
you
have.
D
That
was
another
thing.
I
wanted
to
say
in
response
is
like
our
presentation
was
met.
Thanks
to
cjam,
it
was
meant
to
not
shift
the
marginalization
to
the
people
who
were
marginalized
in
martialized
people
right
so
like
we.
We
particularly
didn't
want
to
enact
retributive
Justice
right,
but
how
we
go
about,
including
more
people
and
restoring
Justice
we'll
take
that
work.
Session
One.
B
I
think
that'll
be
a
great
discussion
to
continue
when
we're
talking
about.
You
know
our
annual
report
and
the
presentation
you
guys
would
be
able
to
provide
the
public
safety
Outreach
I
know
we
are
going
overtime.
So
do
we
have
a
lotion.