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C
You
all
can
just
proceed
without
me.
Mr
lucas
is
fine
all
right.
B
A
D
Yes,
I
spoke
to
him
and
it
was
about
the
same
dialogue
you
had
with
him.
I
think.
D
Commissioner,
and
it
sounded
like
he
was
interested,
but.
B
Yes,
I
I
can
give
you
a
bit
of
an
update
as
well.
I
know
miss
boustani
has
updated.
C
Committee
and
that's
the
committee
responsible
for
making
appointment.
C
I
believe
the
city
clerk's
office
has
either
already
issued
a
press
release
or
we'll
be
doing.
C
So,
very
shortly
that
we
can
share
with
you
all
if
you,
if
you
would
like
to
post
that
to
your
own.
C
You
know
social
media
accounts
or
spread
the
word
any
way
you
you
see
fit.
You're
welcome
to.
C
The
clerk's
office,
though
I
think,
typically
tries
to
to
get
the
word
out
as
much
as
they.
C
Then
hopefully
a
point
quickly
so
that
you
all
are
back
up
and
running
at
full
capacity
and.
C
Aren't
running
into
quorum
issues
like
today,
so
so
that's
what's
going
on
on
our
end.
C
To
spread
the
word
about
those
open
seats,
so
if
there's
any
anything
else,
you
all
can.
C
E
E
E
E
A
And
we
were
told
that
the
quorum
is
counted
as
the
total
number
of
seats
on
the
commission.
A
C
C
I
apologize
okay,
she
was
once
she
wanted
to
know
about
the
quorum,
and
I
said
that
we
were
told.
A
C
Can't
take
any
official
action
and
that
you
would
need
to
wait
until
there
is
a
quorum
to.
C
To
take
any
sort
of
binding
action
of
the
commission,
so
I
think
what
you've
got
on
the.
D
Commissioner,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
slight
correction.
D
So,
commissioner,
mann
can
put
this
in
his
notes
and
thank
you,
commissioner
mann,
for
taking
notes.
D
It
was
jim
shelton
he's
actually
from
the
chamber,
not
from
the
council.
Oh
I'm
sorry.
A
I
know
there
was
some
question
the
last
time
that
we
discussed
it
about
whether
or
not
he
was.
A
It
was
included
with
the
yes,
it
was,
it
was
not
by
email.
Yesterday.
A
A
Body,
cam
footage
hasn't
been
released.
It
still
hasn't
been
released.
As
far
as
I
know,
I've
spoken.
A
A
G
G
Unable
to
attend,
but
I
think
there
was
discussion
about
whether
or
not
this
commission
can.
G
Request
body
cam
footage,
and
so
I
think
that
I,
depending
on
what,
where
that
discussion
led.
G
And
what
the
where
the
legality
of
that
lies,
it's
worth,
considering
asking
for
that.
G
Footage
before
we,
you
know,
so
we
know
exactly
what
we're
aiming
at
before
we
take
an
action.
A
Yes,
commissioner
miller,
I'd
like
to
first
correct
something
I
said
in
the
work
session
to.
D
Being
killed
so
first
there's
that
correction
and
then
addressing
what
commissioner
jagdish.
D
Like
asking
for
that
or
not
or
asking
for
that
as
well
or
at
least,
why
hasn't
it
been
released.
D
A
E
A
E
E
A
Commissioner,
man
yeah,
I
agree,
I
think.
H
Right
now
is
the
best
course
of
action.
Do
we
we're.
H
H
E
H
A
Yes,
commissioner,
it's
a
mutual
aid
situation.
The
city
is
city
limits,
like
commissioner
routson.
D
Of
jurisdiction,
but
it
and
and
apparently
the
city
police
had
something
to
do
with
it.
D
That
was
that
was
I'm
assuming
I'm
still
recognized
since
we're
having
a
dialogue
here.
D
Today,
with
you,
I
mean
in
the
conversation,
so
I
don't
have
to
wait
for
being
call
again.
D
It
was,
I
believe,
sheriff
deputy
thomas
or-
and
I
think
I'm
not
sure
he's
he's
got
a
terrible.
D
He's
got
a
higher
level
than
deputy,
I
believe,
but
it
was
thomas
that
called
off
the
chase.
D
If
I'm
not
mistaken-
and
that
is
a
sheriff
deputy-
that
was
my
impression,
but
I
do.
D
Agree
that
two
separate
google
docs
or
two
different
categories
in
the
in
the
shared
doc.
D
On
the
decision
not
to
render
aid
to
him,
while
he
was
frankly
burning
to
death.
G
But
I
think
just
kind
of
building
on
what
you
were
just
saying.
I
think,
rather
than
focusing.
G
Of
this
commission
should
be
a
little
bit
more
focused
on
you
know
what
what
exactly
happened.
G
And
so
that
isn't
I
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
care
about.
You
know
the
formal
lines.
G
That
have
been
drawn
for
where
interest
should
be.
But
if
there's
you
know
like
the
death
of
a.
G
G
G
G
E
Oh
yeah,
let
me
just
grab
it
here.
E
It
covers
a
lot
of
policy
approaches
that
we
may
want
to
consider
the
author
alex
vitale.
E
Of
the
policing
and
social
justice
project
and
he
has
spent
his
life
researching
policing.
E
The
history
of
how
our
u.s
model
of
policing
was
formed,
and
so
he
kind
of
starts
off
talking.
E
E
E
E
About
sex
work,
he
has
one
on
drugs,
gangs,
borders
and
political
policing.
Interestingly,
he
doesn't.
E
Have
a
separate
chapter
on
white
nationalism
or
racism,
and
so
that's
something.
E
That
I
I
thought
is
interesting
that
we
may
want
to
include
as
a
category
for
our
work.
E
E
Fingers
into
the
fun
stuff
and
looking
at
policy
details,
that's
where
he's
done
a
lot
of.
E
Work
and
he
could
come
in
really
handy
so
do
you
say
it
camelot?
Yes,
so
camelot
suggested
that.
E
That
time
on,
I
mean
on
zoom.
Obviously
we
are
still
on
zoom
right
for
the
next
meetings
or
two.
C
Declaration
another
month
at
the
moment
that
emergency
declaration
extends
until.
C
E
But
anyway,
if
we
but
he's
agreed
to
come
to
our
next
meeting
and
I've
asked
him.
E
E
Since
he's
a
sociologist
like
like
pamela,
is,
and
so
yeah
he's
agreed
to
meet
with
us.
D
D
D
D
Through
all
of
article
one,
with
the
exception
of
we
couldn't
vote
on
anything
again
because.
D
We
didn't
have
a
quorum
as
we
don't
today,
but
we
did
make
a
few
changes.
I
think
attendance.
D
D
D
D
D
A
A
D
D
Know
fluid
for
each
and
every
person
so,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
also
from
from
commissioner
jack.
D
Dish
what
he
thinks
I
think
he
wasn't
at
that
work
session
yeah.
I
know
that
there
wasn't
a
motion.
G
Formally,
but
if
there
was,
I
would
have
seconded
it
for
sure.
I
think
that
the
the
three
meeting.
G
Or
was
it
three
consecutive
or
was
it
just
three
meetings
missed?
It
would
be
three
three.
D
Oh,
that's
a
good
question
that
I
don't
have
the
answer
to,
but
I
I
hear
that
you
yeah
I'm.
D
Not
really
sure
the
answer
to
that,
I
would
have
probably
seconded
it
too,
based
upon
that.
D
D
A
family
situation
and
they
cannot
come
to
three
meetings,
but
they
you
know,
but
they
have.
D
D
The
beginning,
I
think
that's
where
we
might
want
to
be
cautious
and
not
put
that
in
our
bylaws.
D
D
D
D
Will
go
through
a
chairperson
and
or
the
office
of
the
bloomington
common
council.
D
D
H
I
kind
of
like
to
appoint
t,
but
that
may
also.
H
A
little
more
or
I
guess,
a
little
less
hierarchical
than
office,
holder
officer.
D
D
Oh
and
yeah,
I
can't
see
any
anybody,
but
the
bylaws
and
I
had
my
hand
up
earlier
too.
G
Address
that,
for
a
moment
and
as
far
as
the
semantics
of
positions
and
what
not
go,
I
I
don't.
G
What
we
choose
to
call
each
position
and
the
holders
of
those
positions,
so
I
just
wanted
to.
G
The
discussion
and
we
haven't
really
had
an
instance
yet,
where
we've
been
able.
G
G
G
E
E
For
what
the
people
are
called
on,
the
commission
and
I'm
fine
with
the
word
officer.
E
Sorry
did
you
guys
hear
my
earlier
comment.
My
earlier,
I
think.
E
Yes,
okay,
I
I
wanted
to
ask
about
oh
yeah,
where
the
suggestion
that
we
don't
want
to.
E
And
and
people
do
need
to
make
this
commission
a
priority
and
what
I
would
suggest
in
the
case.
E
E
E
E
D
The
ordinance
so
it
let's
go
to
section
three
members
shall
give
prior
notice
to
chairperson.
D
People
that
miss
meetings,
but
I
I
believe
that,
if
we
we
put
it.
D
We
leave
that
alone
because
it's
already
in
the
ordinance,
so
we
could,
as
a
commission,
decide
to.
D
D
Yes,
in
a
google
form
that
basically
pulls
the
member's
opinion
and
then
probably
would.
D
D
D
People
that
hasn't
been
around
at
all
be
removed,
but
we
can't
do
that
if
we
don't
have.
I
D
D
I
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
see
anyone
if
there's
a
way,
I
can
see
people.
Somebody
please
tell
me.
D
That
I
can
also
that
I
can
also
see
the
document,
because
all
I
can
see
I
can
see
you.
D
D
I'm
on
a
macbook
pro,
so
I
guess
I'll
fiddle
with
it
at
a
later
time
and
see
if
I.
D
D
See
welcome
b-square,
but
I
cannot
see
pictures
the
host
has
spotlighted
yours,
hello,
hello,.
D
Keep
working
on
it
is
there
another
way
we
can
see
raised
hands
that
I'm
not
seeing.
D
Or
could
maybe
stephen,
could
you
tell
us
when
there's
a
raised
hand.
C
Raise
their
hands,
I
can
scroll
through
the
video
to
to
see
if
anyone
has
their
hand
raised.
G
We
we
move
on
from
this.
Just
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
top
right
corner,
there's
a.
G
D
I'm
in
speaker
gallery
will
let
you
see
more
people.
I
believe.
Oh,
my
gosh
look.
There's
everybody.
D
D
D
That's
not
the
case
right
now,
because
we're
new,
I'm,
I
would
say
we
probably
want
to.
D
Could
somebody
take
over
just
for
a
moment,
I'm
sorry
yeah.
I
can't
see
anybody
or
any
of
that.
A
C
Camo,
we
I'm
not
sure
that
we
can
see
you
either.
I
don't,
I
think
I
know
what
is
wrong.
D
I
think
I'm
good
sorry
about
that.
I
think
I
may
have
to
step
away
just
for.
D
Track
so
election,
all
officers
or
whatever
the
word
we
plug
in
as
shall
be
elected
at
an
annual.
D
D
D
Just
asking
sorry
we're
talking
about
the
term
officers.
D
The
length
of
service
of
the
the
oh
position
yeah,
I
see.
D
Alex
yeah,
I
don't
have
a
preference
on
term
length.
I
don't
have
a
reason
to
go.
H
E
D
Hoping
for
and
maybe
I'm
maybe
I'm
being
hopeful
and
wishful,
but
I
thought
we.
D
Voices,
so
that's
what
we're
talking
about
nigel
yeah.
I
definitely
want
to.
D
And
I
don't
know
if
they
do,
but
I
think
that
they
could,
because
the
person
that
is
at
the.
D
E
Comments
on
this
possibly
yeah,
possibly
yeah,
so
yeah,
I'm
fine
with
one
year.
I
think
one
year.
E
E
Everything
to
rotate-
and
I
I
frankly
would
prefer
more
stable
leadership.
G
Yeah,
so
I
think
just
to
clarify
on
that.
What
what
I
was
talking
about
earlier
wasn't.
G
Necessarily
a
refutal
of
those
guidelines
that
you
sent
in
that
packet.
It
was,
it
was
more
so
just.
G
And
also
simultaneously,
taking
into
account
your
concerns
about
you
know,
creating
a
power.
G
Structure
within
the
commission
could
be
that
we
set
an
agenda
or
we
make
recommendations.
G
To
the
chair
about
an
agenda
and
have
the
the
unspoken
understanding
so
to
speak,
that.
G
So
I'm
not
sure
what
you
think
about
that,
but
I'd
love
to
come
to
a
place
where.
D
So
is
it
possible
that
we
could
do
a
google
form.
D
Or
so
we
want
to
all
have
our
voices
heard
for
agenda
topics,
and
I
know
that.
D
D
E
E
What
you're
talking
about,
like
you,
know,
direct
participatory
style.
We
can
still
do
that,
while.
E
E
For
important
discussions
as
opposed
to
hand
raising
like
we're
doing
now,
for
instance,.
E
E
D
You
have
any
other
insights
regarding
that,
because
you
said
you
had
a
lot
and
I'm
like.
E
That's
that's
a
model,
that's
a
non-hierarchical
form
of
organizational
behavior
management.
E
And
bylaws
and
processes-
and
things
like
that,
could
you
share
those
there's
some
big
companies.
E
Sure
yeah
you
can,
you,
can
google
it
sociocracy
here
I'll
show
I'll
share
their
website.
E
It
was
basically
created
by
people
who
didn't
want
hierarchical.
E
Structure-
and
I
think
it
started
off
in
the
east
coast
in
the
us
by
the
co-living
people.
E
And
so
it's
a
social
entrepreneurship
style
of
management.
That's
and
it's
consent
based
and.
E
Doesn't
have
any
objections,
consent
based
is
where
all
the
objections
have
been
heard.
E
And
have
been
and
have
been
responded
to
and
or
and
or
they've
been
decided
to
be
invalid.
E
E
I
literally
gave
a
lecture
on
this
so
a
few
weeks
ago,
so
I
don't
know
how
much
detail
you
want
me.
E
E
C
The
bylaws
and
and
take
you
guys
through
the
end
of
the
meeting
so
sorry
to
to
interrupt
I'll.
C
Let
you
guys
continue
your
discussion.
Thank
you,
stephen.
Thank
you
steven.
Actually,
if
you,
if
you.
I
I'm
actually,
I
I'm
really
jazzed
about
what
you
were
talking
about
and
and
I'm
open
to
hearing.
D
Hearing
how
that
wouldn't
wouldn't
be
problematic
working
with
the
structure
that
we
have.
D
As
far
as
officers
are
concerned,
that
that's
that's
because
that's
what
I
know
you
know.
D
D
From
you,
even
if
it
and
I
got
the
the
shared
doc,
thank
you
I'll
be
reading
it,
and
I
I
don't
know.
D
Through
the
bylaws,
some
more
so
I
don't
know
so.
Thank
you
sounds
good
to
me
to
hear
more
about.
D
E
E
D
D
So
what
happened
was
to
catch
you
up
becky
and
thank
you
for
joining
us.
D
D
D
D
D
D
Section
five,
some
more
or
did
I
skip
something
people
removal
an
officer,
may
be
removed.
D
D
However,
we
we
decide
to
do
it,
but
that
sounds
to
me
like
it's
already.
There.
E
E
Town
and
it's
a
big
deal
and-
and
you
know
it's,
it-
takes
the
blame
off
everyone
and
makes
it
more.
J
In
here
for
one
second,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
this.
The
removal
is
only
for.
A
Up
to
attendance,
where
we
were
at
before
yeah,
so
we're
not
in
the
right
spot.
No,
we
know.
D
D
D
D
D
To
the
city
council:
that's
where
I
stand
with
it,
but
I
also
know
that
that.
D
That
are
going
through
it
now
and
and
other
commissioners
that
will,
in
the
future
and
and
so.
D
In
the
bylaws,
or
are
we
okay
as
a
commission
making
that
decision
on
a
case
by
case.
A
I
think
maybe
it
should
be
murdered
somehow
that,
like
know
that
this.
A
A
E
E
E
E
D
They
may
be
in
the
hospital
they
may
be
dealing
with
some
very
something,
and-
and
I
think
that.
D
Was
why
I
said
what
I
said
earlier
at
the
very
beginning
of
this,
is
that
the
case
by
case
is.
D
Exactly
what
I
think
we
should
be
doing
does
it
need
to
be
in
the
bylaws?
I
will
defer
to
whatever.
D
D
Whatever
we
decide
on
that,
we'll
just
decide
on
that
arvin
did
you
have
any
anything
on
this.
G
You
know,
circumstances
are
subjective
and
if,
if
it's
a
hospital
hospitalization
or
a
you.
G
Attending
a
meeting,
obviously
all
of
us
would
make
an
exception
for
that.
But
if
it's.
G
G
Yes,
but
I
I
also
do
respect
commissioner
ross
sings,
or
am
I
pronouncing
that
right,
rat
song.
E
G
For
any
mispronunciations
in
the
past,
but
I
I
do
respect
your
your
experiences
on
previous.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
opinion.
D
Everybody's
voice
is
important,
so
I
wish
we
had
more
people
here
to
also
give
their
voice.
D
But
at
the
same
time
that's
what
we're
talking
about
so
so
that's
good.
So
we
are
looking
at.
D
Almost
1
30.,
I
have
sent
chris
a
message.
Hopefully
he'll
be
jumping
on
any
minute.
D
He's
here
he's
saying:
he's
in
the
lobby
says
it's
waiting
for
a
host
to
start
the
meeting.
D
So
I'm
not
sure
why
it
sounds
like
maybe
he
doesn't
have
this.
D
J
D
D
K
Specifically,
coming
out
of
jails,
hospitals
and
our
state,
a
hospital
facility.
K
People
in
their
environment
and
meet
where
they're
at
not
expect
them
to
come
into.
K
Stumbled
absolutely
into
the
criminal
justice
system
on
total
accident.
We
we
got
tasked.
K
With
hey,
we
have
a
police
system
that
actually
doesn't
have
the
expertise,
knowledge
and.
K
K
K
We
showed
up
to
the
police
station,
it
was
probably
about
as
awkward
as
everyone
thinks.
K
K
Day
for
the
first
couple
months,
because
we
just
didn't
know
how
we
were
gonna
interact
with
each.
K
And
get
those
people
connected
to
long-term
sustainable
supports
that
kind
of
keep
them
off.
K
K
K
Years
and
we're
at
32
right
now,
city
wide
and
we
have
a
night
shift
coming
on
we'll.
K
K
K
We
heard
about
eugene
oregon
and
their
cahoots
program.
That's
been
going
for
about
30.
K
Years
kind
of
like
that
we
cold
called
them
said:
hey.
Can
we
come
up
there
and
kind
of
just.
K
See
what
you're
doing
we
went
up
there
for
three
days
we
brought
denver
police
9-1-1.
K
Community
members,
a
couple
politicians
from
the
state
level
to
just
kind
of
see
like
what
could
we.
K
Borrow
from
eugene
and
bring
back
down
to
denver,
we
realized
pretty
quickly.
K
Instead
of
police
being
kind
of
my
uber
driver,
it
was
a
paramedic,
so
we
brought
all
that.
K
Caring
for
denver
act,
this
allowed
us
to
be
their
very
first
guinea
pig
on
requesting
money.
K
K
Response
and
we
want
to
go
to
these
low
level,
911
calls,
and
so
they
walked
us
through.
K
K
K
They
didn't
have
the
same
service
connections
that
they
once
did,
and
so
we
decided
we
needed
to.
K
K
Transporting
someone
to
a
more
appropriate
spot
and
using
denver
resources
in
the
most
appropriate.
K
Fashion
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
people,
not
only
not
only
the
right
response
in
the
moment,.
K
K
Out
as
legal
issues,
they
got
there
cleared
it
and
said
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
legal
issues.
K
Connected
to
the
right
response
and
a
hopefully
longer
term,
option
support
in
the
future.
But.
K
It
also
kind
of
redefines
what
police
are
they
when,
when
a
citizen
kind
of
recognizes,
hey
police.
K
K
They're,
not
the
experts,
they
shouldn't
be
there,
but
they'll
call
the
right
people
in
and
then.
K
We're
at
now
is
we
are
expanding
city-wide,
so
our
pilot
was
just
in
the
downtown
corridor
area.
K
With
three
vans
on
any
given
day
a
team
of
six
teams,
city
of
denver
so
funny
all
of.
K
K
I
guess
it's
a
good
problem
to
have,
but
so
we're
really
trying
to
make
this
a.
K
High
homelessness,
high
needs
and
we're
gonna
be
going
out
into
more
suburban
communities.
K
Public
and
still
being
able
to
respond
to
them
in
the
most
appropriate
manner.
So
yeah,
that's.
K
Kind
of
the
the
pitch
of
where
we're
at
where
I
will
tell
you
that
we
have
every
intention
that.
K
Star
will
expand
and
our
co-responder
team
will
still
be
present,
because
what
we
do
realize
is.
K
That
there
are
calls
where
police
do
need
to
be
present,
but
we
still
want
a
clinical
lens
on
that.
D
D
D
K
K
K
K
K
K
And
kind
of
that
that
you
know
the
response
that
someone
gives
is
based
on
their
history.
K
K
K
Is
a
more
appropriate
approach,
so
I
think
we've
been
a
little.
I
think
everyone
we've.
K
K
K
K
K
I
help
facilitate
you
to
that
solve
I
don't
we
don't
come
from
a.
I
know.
What's
right,
I
I'm
going.
K
Now
and
it's
just
my
goal
to
help
facilitate
that
whatever
that
means-
and
that
means
you
know,
I.
K
K
K
And
being
able
to
do
that
in
the
most,
you
know
effective
way
that
we
can.
So
I
think.
K
K
Paramedics
to
ambulance
fire,
but
we're
definitely
kind
of
that.
Fourth
extension.
D
Thank
you.
I
have
a
niece
katie
norris
who
who
leads
from
community-based
models.
D
For
questions
so
nigel,
you
want
to
get
started
with
those
hi
yeah
thanks
my
biggest
question.
E
Is
what
were
the
major
lessons
that
you've
learned
that
you
wish
you
knew
starting
out.
E
What's
in
the
plan
for
expansion
yeah,
I
think
when
we
first
started
out,
we
actually.
K
K
K
I
think
the
the
things
that
we
wish
we
had
were
kind
of
like
a
they
call
it
an
mdt
which
is.
K
Like
basically,
it
allows
us
from
9-1-1
to
know
what's
in
a
queue
like
what's
sitting
there.
K
K
K
K
Actually
have
access
to
that
so
we're
we've
worked
out,
something
for
our
new
vans
to
be.
K
K
Social
worker
paramedics
are
probably
absolutely
overkill,
I
would
say
an
ent
is.
K
Probably
right
the
paramedics,
they
have
a
ton
of
medical
knowledge,
but
I
think
it's
not
used.
K
As
much
as
we
would
like
to
on
star,
I
think
it's
you
know,
it's
usually
wound
care.
It's
usually.
K
Difficult
with
that
and
then
the
biggest
thing
that
we
learned
is
community
ownership.
I.
K
K
Denver
feel
about
what
they
want
to
see
out
of
a
civilian
response.
What
their
belief
is.
K
Related
to
you
know,
partnerships
with
the
city,
partnerships
with
law
enforcement,
partnerships.
K
With
other
providers
and
being
able
to
have
those
conversations
and
find
the
middle
ground.
K
To
where
we're
at
currently
the
the
the
funding
piece,
the
1.4
million,
we
definitely
had
the.
K
I
think
we
were
six
months
in
and
mayor
hancock
set
aside
1.4
million
just
based
on
our
first.
K
Six
months
of
success,
so
the
rfp
went
out
to
the
city
and
any
provider
that
wanted
to.
K
K
Then
I
think
there
was
400
000
that
was
roughly
set
aside
for
that
back-end
support
because.
K
K
People
that
can
actually
connect
with
people
day
after
and
ongoing
to
make
sure
what
was
planned.
K
G
Invest
in
the
police
and
in
harm
reduction
strategies-
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
from.
G
That
will
have
an
effect
on
you
and
your
ability
to
you
know
enact
your
your
sort
of
your
goals.
K
Totally
separate
of
kind
of
the
the
city
funding
we're
funded
under
medicaid
cap
expansion,.
K
Fall
under
that
through
our
billing
practices,
so
right
now
nothing
would
be
impacted
by.
K
That,
and
especially
with
denver
having
its
own
caring
for
denver
tax
that
we
we
can
bill
should.
K
Medicaid
or
anything
kind
of
fall
apart
that
we
would
be
able
to
to
maintain
what
we're
doing.
K
And
continue
to
do
this
regardless,
but
in
a
I
guess,
in
a
more
abstract
sense
than
just
what.
G
Yeah,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
to
it.
I
mean
I
think
the.
K
A
radio
it's
a
laptop
and
it's
personnel,
I
mean
we're
using
a
makeshift
van
currently
until.
K
We
get
the
actual
one
that
we're
really
hoping
for
and,
and
we
wanted
to
see
what
a
second
van.
K
K
K
K
Personnel
is
probably
the
ongoing
thing,
our
our
paramedic
division,
because
they
don't
they.
K
K
K
We
only
spent
like
7
800
78
000
of
it,
because
we
just
can't
bill.
I
mean
at
the
end
of.
K
The
day
we
can't
build
a
grant
if
it's
going
to
medicaid.
So
I
think
that's
one
of
those
like.
K
Sustainable
things
as
having
a
tap
into
medicaid
goes
a
long
way,
and
I
think
the
overhead
costs.
G
So
do
you
have
any
advice
for
this
commission
if
we
were
to
go
about
establishing
a
program.
G
Like
yours,
just
in
terms
of
you
know
your
your
personal
experiences,
because
I
think
almost.
K
K
K
Probably
9-1-1
and
and
the
police
system,
because
police
buy-in
is
huge,
and
I
think
that
was
the.
K
K
K
K
K
The
the
cahoots
program,
or
not
the
one
thing
that
kind
of
gets
sidelined.
A
lot
is
eugene's.
K
K
K
How
do
we
build
this,
where
it's
effective
and
that
people
work
together
and
it's
not
a
you
know.
D
Emily,
do
you
have
your
hand
up
how
how
do
we
get
the
police
to
talk
to
us?
There
is
an
incident.
K
K
Only
sent
three
responses-
fire,
police
ems
and
that
society
has
grown
with
many
different
needs.
K
K
To
car
thefts
and
all
that
stuff,
and
that
way
you
don't
have
to
be
bogged
down
with
all
the.
K
This
it's
like
yeah,
you
shouldn't
be.
I
should
be
and
being
able
to
really
say
like
we're
here.
K
Actually,
as
a
community
support
option
and
to
take
it
off
your
plate
and
to
be
able
to
kind
of.
K
K
You
know
it's
not
fully
that
easy,
but
it
it
that's
how
you
get
the
buy-in
from
police.
It's.
K
Your
plate
and-
and
you
know
some
don't
get
me
wrong.
I've
talked
with
a
lot
of
communities
and.
K
K
K
Get
the
help
to
people
and
sending
it
the
right
response
to
the
situation.
Not
a
one
size
fits
all.
K
So
I'm
always
big,
especially
where
you
guys
are
at
if
at
any
point,
a
police,
it's
so
weird.
K
K
K
K
A
as
a
non-profit
third
party,
like
city
politics,
are
really
frustrating
the
stuff
I
have
to
like.
K
K
K
We
do
tend
to
see
is
the
very
outspoken
social
advocates
that
don't
want
this.
K
Don't
want
to
go
through
9-1-1,
they
want
their
own
independent
number.
They
want
peers
to
be.
K
Part
of
it,
the
response
not
not
like
a
more
formalized
response,
and
I
think
we
don't.
K
Win
everybody
over
in
those
situations.
I
think
what
we
do
there's
definitely
some
been
few
that.
K
I
just
asked
for
coffee
or
or
drinks
to
be
able
to
go
out
and
have
you
know,
be
able
to
talk
and.
K
How
we
get
there
is
like
all
I.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
person's
cared
for,
and
I
want
to
take.
K
Everyone's
thoughts
and
ideas-
and
it
was
community
that
were
like
we
don't
want
this.
K
K
K
To
land
there
then,
and
it's
being
able
to
get
them
on
board
with
what
that
looks
like
and.
K
And
it's
it's
more
about
training,
911
call
takers
to
make
sure
that
they
know
that.
There's.
K
K
9-1-1
center,
so
it's
outside
the
purview
of
police
and
all
that
stuff.
So
there's
much.
K
Only
because
we
don't
have
to
do
mental
health
holds
very
often,
but
when
we
do-
and
I
think
we
out.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Pretty
intentional,
why
that
was
and
that
rubbed
community
wrong
on
a
few
of
the
occasions,
but.
K
We're
also
one
van
in
so
there's
a
possibility
for
a
hybrid
model
moving
forward
of,
like
you
know,.
K
Maybe
we
have
a
pure
van
and
then
maybe
we
have
a
you
know:
different
different
options
for
vans.
D
Well,
thank
you.
I
know
it's
203
and
our
meetings
usually.
D
End
at
two
is
anybody
wanting
to
maybe
extend
just
a
little
bit.
We
also
have
staff
here
from.
D
The
city-
and
I
don't
know
if
she's
limited
on
time
becky
do
you
have
a
little
bit
more
time.
F
G
Yeah
I
just
I
remember
that
you
mentioned
that
you
use
harm
reduction
strategies.
K
Yeah
so
typically
it's
it's
identified
with
substance
use,
but
what
I've
learned-
and
I.
K
K
Here's
a
safe
place
to
dispose
of
your
stuff.
Do
you
need
clean
works
to
be
able
to
you.
K
K
K
K
Find
the
path
of
least
resistance
and
working
with
that
individual
there's
no.
K
And
what
we
can
help
provide
in
that
and
then
use
those
steps
of
hard
reduction
to
really.
G
G
G
K
K
K
Of
a
response
you
know
someone
yelling
and
shouting
still
a
star
response,
it's
it's!
If
they.
K
K
K
With
that,
because
you
know
the
the
biggest
thing
is
that
there
are
safety
components
that.
K
Are
beyond
you
know,
I
think
we
had
someone
on
the
16th
street
mall
the
other
day.
That
was.
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Wielding
a
pvc
pipe
and
was
swinging
it
around
and
they
they
were
like
star
and
they
were
like.
K
K
K
There
seems
to
be
this:
the
stereotype
that
social
workers
are
kind
of
shrinking
violets.
K
K
K
Just
a
standard
thing,
and
so
I
think
there's
also
you
know
people
people
shout
especially
when.
K
K
K
K
Work
and
with
the
exact
same
clientele
that
I'm
historically
very
good
at
working
with
and
very.
K
K
D
Getting
past
all
that
stigmatized
stigmatization
of
homeless
people.
D
I'm
going
to
ask
one
last
one
then,
unless
somebody
else
then
thinks
of
one
actually,
it's
not
a.
D
Question
I
just
want
to
say
that
thanks
chris
and
I
know
you
said
that
you
would
help
us
going.
D
Forward
if
we
wanted
to
have
a
dialogue
with
our
police
department,
if
we
wanted
to
have.
D
Dialogue
with
just
anyone-
and
so
I
appreciate
you
being
willing
to
do
that
very
much-
we
just
had.
K
A
someone
that
is
a
licensed
clinical
social
worker
just
moved
into
9-1-1,
actually
to
actually.
D
That
is,
that
is
very
good
idea.
I
I
know
right
now,
our
social
workers.
I
think
I
started
with
this.
D
But
we'll
just
see
how
willing
the
police
department
is
to
give
up
that.
That.
K
Chris
really
appreciate
it
take
care
and
pamela
with
that.
We're
back
to
you.