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B
Duncan
campbell,
derek
ritchie.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
dee.
Let's
move
on
to
approval
of
minutes.
C
Online
via
zoom,
so
the
people
who
are
in
zoom,
unless
you
are
a
commissioner
or
staff.
C
C
Or
opportunity
for
public
comments,
I
will
ask
people
to
raise
their
hands
online.
C
C
A
C
E
C
C
C
C
Com,
the
moto
gardens
construction
subcommittee
informed
me
that
they
would
be
commenting.
C
And
they
have
just
entered
zoom.
So
let
me
give
paul
ash
and
elizabeth
ashcox
a
moment
to.
A
All
right
so,
let's
start
with
questions
and,
let's
start
with
marlene
no
question.
A
A
F
A
C
Paul
to
onion,
so
if
they
want
to
speak,
they
are
online.
Can
I
speak
now
or
not.
G
G
So
that's
the
reason
why
there
are
stained
glass
windows
on
either
side
of
the
fireplace.
G
House
that
made
it
so
attractive.
The
cement
board
is
much
better
than
the
original
wood.
G
And
you
know
I
wish
I
could
afford
that.
So
I
I
just
really
recommend
this.
A
Thank
you
for
those
comments,
all
right,
sam,
the
only
other
thing
sort
of.
I
Thank
you
for
hearing
this
case
and
with
regard
to
the
sighting
our
plan.
H
H
I
In
the
plaster
everywhere,
every
two
feet,
but
the
insides
are
fine.
I'm
not
planning
on
doing.
I
And
everything
is
in
really
good
shape,
it's
just
the
exterior
and
these
windows,
so.
I
A
A
A
All
right
so
tony
coa
22-24
at
619
what
smith
avenue
found
in
the
greater
prospect.
C
Hills,
historic
district:
this
is
a
case,
a
building
that
we've
been
seeing
quite
a
bit.
C
Explore
ways
of
restoring
it
and
bringing
it
back,
bringing
it
back
to
a
more
habitable
usable.
C
Sense
that
previous
and
this
kind
of
comes
to
the
point,
the
previous
co
c
of
a.
C
C
C
Let
me
see
quite
a
few
materials,
the
siding
and
windows,
so
sighting
change,
window
change.
C
C
Knows
that
the
greater
prospect
hills
send
a
lot
quite
a
bit
of
they
wrote
a
lot.
C
About
and
went
into
detail
about
the
different
aspects
of
this
project,
but,
to
sum
it
up
pretty.
C
Quickly,
they
do
support
it,
they
just
went
into
more
detail
and
each
of
the
members
commented.
C
So
they
ask
the
petitioners,
included
a
skill
more
or
less
scale
model
of
the
proposal.
C
C
This
is
what
they
found
when
they
pulled
off
the
siding.
C
C
So
that
said,
staff
does
recommend
for
the
approval
of
22-24.
K
I
think
gloria
did
a
very
good
job
of
presenting
our
our
project.
I
might
add.
K
K
K
We've
got
our
work
cut
out
for
us
and
that
second
edition
had
been
a
porch
in
the
in
the.
K
Up
is
so
we
could
have
nine
foot
ceilings
in
that
room
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
house.
A
Thank
you.
Were
there
any.
C
C
They
went
into
detail
but
in
the
end
everything
was
positive,
so
they
went
into
detail
about
what.
C
Have
missed
feel
free
to
comment
it
if
any
of
the
neighborhood
subcommittee
is
online.
C
Please
raise
your
hand
and
I
cannot
meet
you,
but
everything
was
very
supportive.
The
first.
C
Person
to
comment,
I'm
sorry,
it's
just
moving
a
lot
of
things
around
first
comment
from.
C
G
Structure
but
patrick
was
on
the
very
first
affordable
housing
committee
that
bri
had
so
the.
G
This
is
going
to
be
an
excellent
project.
I
just
wanted
to
put
my
two
cents
worth.
G
M
The
original
building,
whatever
that
picture,
is
you
see
that
the
roof
slopes
down
in
the.
M
M
M
Between
the
one
roof
and
the
flat
roof
for
flashing,
there's
not
enough
room
for.
M
You
could
flash
it
properly
and
you
won't
get.
I
just
can't
see
a
nightmare
there.
M
Not
enough
room
between
the
one
edge
of
the
the
gable,
the
end
of
the
game
and
the.
H
H
A
great
improvement
on
what
is
there,
I
guess
we're
in
question
mode
right
now,.
H
H
H
H
Type
being
sort
of
tucked
in
under
tightly
underneath
the
the
steeper
slope
roof
because.
H
H
K
M
M
M
K
The
model
is
basically
representing
the
forms
that
we
want
to
use.
The
roof
is
actually
going.
L
L
A
Great
okay:
let's
move
on
to
comments,
marlene,
any
comments.
Yes,.
M
N
M
N
Pencil
drawing
the
the
elevation
yeah
you
see
where
marlene's,
no,
he
he
can't
because.
N
A
Duncan
yeah,
this
is
a
quite
thorough
and
I
looked
at
the
the
engineer's
drawings
in.
F
F
That
we
caught
in
time
and
and
should
be
used
as
a
model
for
how
you
can
remodel
these
houses.
F
F
You
can
demolish
demolish
and
build
a
new
house,
and-
and
this
is
this
is
proof
positive-
that.
F
That
that
is
possible.
So
that's
my
comment.
Thank
you,
jackie
ernesto.
Yes,
I
just
wanna
say
thank.
J
J
L
B
A
Mr
pruitt
you're
with
us
great
right
here,
hi,
okay,
so
at
some
point
please
fill
out
the
little.
C
C
C
So
this
is
a
for
a
full.
This
is
a
second
round
for
a
full
new
construction
at
the
basically.
C
West
side
construction
subcommittee
said
they
did
send
some
pretty
extensive
comments
as
well.
C
They
do
have
some
concerns
with
the
units
not
mirroring
each
other,
on
the
exterior
and
about
the.
C
But
other
than
that
they
do
not
oppose
it.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
the
near.
C
C
So
here's
a
bit
more
context
for
those
who
are
here.
It's
not
going
to
be
captured
very
well.
C
For
those
online,
but
it's
here
so
there's
a
currently
another
structure
there
and
actually.
C
M
C
At
the
side,
so
that's
something
to
take
into
at
this
for
the
side
setback,
which
is
something.
C
For
the
hvc
to
take
into
consideration
so
yeah,
so
staff
took
all
the
comments
that
the.
C
So
here
are
a
few
more
images.
It's
the
design
itself
is
sort
of
contemporary
four
squared.
C
A
A
A
K
Yes,
it's
peter
dwarfman,
I'm
the
president
of
the
association.
I
just
wanted
to.
O
Add
a
little
bit
of
of
context
to
the
neighborhood
comments.
A
comment
was
made
when
gloria.
O
We
looked
at
that
and
whether
the
applicant
builds
the
the
units,
as
shown
on
the
floor.
O
O
Really
not
an
issue
for
us.
We
were
pointing
out
that
inconsistency,
but
it's
actually,
okay
with.
O
O
Were
curious
about
it
as
far
as
the
board
and
baton
is
concerned,
yet
we
we
would
prefer
to
see.
O
Clabbard
on
the
upper
story,
borden
batten
is,
is
a
material
that
we
don't
see
very
much
in
the.
O
O
O
Objection
to
it,
the
one
additional
comment
that
I
wanted
to
make
was
on
the
staff
comments.
O
But
as
presented,
the
application
works
for
us
again.
This
is
we've
gone
through.
O
Multiple
iterations,
with
this,
mr
pruitt,
and
and
and
mark
cornett.
C
C
Right
there
you
go,
no,
it's,
it's
gonna,
be
a
little
too
fuzzy,
but
the
petitioner
peter.
I
don't
know.
C
How
much
you
can
see,
but
the
petitioner
bought
a
new
proposal
where
the
second
floor
also
has.
O
Review
committee
with
us
on
this
call
karen
duffy,
so
we
obviously
haven't
had
a
chance.
O
O
D
A
Okay,
sam,
let's
see
when
you,
you
talked
about
a
drip
edge
between
the
different
types
of
siding.
H
Okay,
yeah
I've
got
a
four
square,
I
like
them,
but
ours
has
a
little
yeah
shakes
thing.
I've.
A
H
P
Issues
is
that
right?
Yes,
yes,
is
I'd,
just
like
to
ask
john
or
or
daniel
daniel
is
that
within
our.
P
Commission
getting
into
the
business
of
being
zoning
planners,
and
so
if
it's
within
the.
J
P
A
Daniel
my
belief
is
in
the
past.
I
don't
know
that
there's
ever
been
a
an
endorsement.
A
A
The
past
have
gone
to
to
planning
department
meetings
and
other
things
to
to
voice
support.
F
Occasionally,
there
is
a
condition
where
we're
asking
we're
asking,
because,
because
we
have.
F
Special
conditions
on
the
historic
preservation
acknowledgement
say
a
c
of
a
that
can
create
a.
F
F
Because
historic
districting
is
an
overlay
zone
and
and
in
the
in
the
ordinance.
F
It
says
that
you
know
the
more
restrictive
zoning
takes
precedent,
so
basically,
what
we're
doing.
F
Is
reminding
the
zoning
board
that
this
is
the
more
restrictive
overlay
and
should
be
heard.
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
other
thing
duncan
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
that
we
do.
H
In
terms
of
of
supporting
variances
for
me,
it
has
to
do
with
supporting
the
settlement
pattern.
H
H
That
that,
for
me,
is
a
bit
more
of
a
quandary
but
but
definitely
on
setbacks
and
to
support.
H
H
P
A
John
guy
one
thing
real,
quick,
please
a
classic
example,
and
I've
asked
for
this
several
times
at.
A
A
Very
good,
so,
let's
move
on
elizabeth,
do
you
have
any
questions.
A
J
F
H
H
H
That
makes
me
a
little
leery
is
the
the
dipping
up
of
the
the
property,
and,
if
you
were.
H
H
H
But
do
you
understand
my
hesitancy
about
supporting
changing
a
lot.
A
M
M
A
F
Sorry,
I
also
think
it's
a
really
good
project.
I
I
really
commend
the
owner
and
the
neighborhood.
F
F
F
And
also
just
so
any
everybody
hears
it.
I
love
the
board
and
baton
above
and
that's
a
very.
F
That's
a
very
traditional
thing:
that's
done
on
four
squares
all
across
the
country.
F
It's
it
adds
a
really
interesting
look
to
the
to
the
building
and
can
be
can
can
create.
F
Some
really
fun
kind
of
architectural
difference,
so
I
would
have
supported
that
too
good
job.
J
N
N
N
N
N
A
You
want
to
support
the
variances
as
well.
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
talking
about.
P
Giving
up
lots
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
the
other,
variances
sure
it's!
I
just
don't
feel.
H
B
D
A
C
Zero
eight
two:
twenty
seven
for
four
hundred
west
seventh
street
johnson's
creamery.
C
Currently,
and
going
through
common
council
for
potential
designation
as
a
historic
district.
C
For
it
to
be
reduced
to
60
feet
in
height,
there's
a
lot
more
context
to
this,
but.
C
Heard
originally
put
in
the
packet
conditional
to
have
45
days
for
the
petitioner
to
submit.
C
Sorry
to
approve
this
partial
demolition
and
then
for
the
and
after
that
demolition
happens.
C
Have
an
x
amount
of
time
for
the
petitioner
to
return
with
something
that
would
symbolize.
C
Smokestack
is
so
I'm
going
to
provide
some
more
context.
The
city
of
bloomington
has.
C
Of
the
rc
engineering
study,
which
which
requires
partial
demolition
of
the
smoke
stack.
C
C
C
Movement,
earthquake,
the
and
that's
without
taking
into
consideration
the
fact
that
it
is.
C
Leaning
stabilization
of
the
current
to
bring
it
back
to
the
current
height
of
140
feet.
C
C
C
C
The
the
the
word
johnson's
somehow
taken
into
account
if
possible,
so
these
are
just
suggestions.
C
And
things
that
staff
has
been
pondering
carefully,
so
I
copied
this
is
all
in
the
packet.
C
If
everybody
was
able
to
look
at
this
carefully,
the
rc
engineers
report
engineering
report.
C
In
lean
and
other
aspects
that
were
found
between
these
two
studies
so
lowering
to
60
or
75
feet,.
C
Were
mentioned,
we're
just
the
petitioner,
the
owners
just
asking
for
60
feet
at
this
moment.
C
Here
are
some
of
the
images
from
the
study.
There
were
many
more,
but
you
can
see.
C
The
lean
just
looking
up
things
should
not
be
looking
towards
you
in
this
manner.
C
We
have
some
more
detailed
graphics
as
well
as
more
detail
than
for
me.
There
was
detailed.
C
C
Metal
embraces
around
the
building
and
snapped
apart.
I
believe
the
number
band
is
number
35.
C
Contrast
deterioration
in
the
last
five
years
was
very
helpful
and
with
that
I
will
leave
it
to.
C
You,
if
the
petitioners
and
any
other
interested
party
can
raise
their
hand
so
that
I
can.
C
Ask
them
to
unmute
just
give
me
a
few
minutes.
Both
chris
durban.
A
That
too,
so,
okay,
I'd
like
to
allow
john
zoe
to
address
us
about
last
night's
meeting.
A
On
where
we
are
in
the
process
here
on
march
10th,
as
you
know,
you
recommended
the
creamery.
A
A
Would
have
narrowed
the
scope
of
that
and
then
yes,
late
yesterday
submitted
an
additional
map.
A
That
narrows
it
further
and
we
actually
removed
the
smoke
stack
from
the
local
historic
district.
A
It
is
possible
for
the
city
council
to
make
a
historic
designation
happen
on
one
night.
A
More
time
on
this
there
are,
I
want
to
speak
for
the
council,
but
I
think
anybody
that
watched
the.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Third
yeah
yeah
sure
I
think
let
me
call
on
daniel
dixon
to
see
if,
if
the
council.
A
Yeah
so
so
the
coa
would
be,
it
would
be
new
yeah
without
tooth
yeah.
So
I
see.
A
A
This,
what
that
would
involve
so
there's
possible
scaffolding
up
there,
looking
at
how
the
brick.
A
A
A
Would
say:
yes,
that's
the
case
so
and
whatever
sporting
information,
you
need
to
figure
that
out.
A
And
daniel,
if
the
new
outline
is
accepted,
where
the
chimney
stand
is
excluded
from
the.
Q
Can
I
can
I
step
in
real
quick?
Yes,
I
just
want
you
to
clarify
that
we
didn't
submit
a
third.
Q
Map
we
we
just
we're
making
sure
that
the
the
map
that
we
did
propose
that
follows
the.
Q
Foundation
and
the
map
includes
the
the
smoke
stack,
that's
the
one,
the
only
one
that
we're.
Q
The
removal
of
the
the
structure
of
the
smokestack
was
just
another
consideration.
Q
That
we
asked
but
but
the
boundary
would
still
include
it.
So
if
the
you
know,
if
we
can
come
to
an.
Q
In
the
in
the
map-
and
it's
included
in
the
map
we're
proposing
so
mike
today,
so
as
I
mistaken.
A
Q
It
did
not
it's
the
same
one
that
you
saw
last
week.
What
we
said
was
even
within
that
boundary.
Q
To
potentially
eliminate
that
in
case
there
was,
you
know,
ultimately
a
discrepancy
with
hpc.
Q
What
that
would
not
allow
us
to
move
forward
on
the
on
the
complying
with
the
safe,
unsafe.
Q
We
we
intend
that
the
the
smoke
stack,
you
know
that
is
remaining
and
repaired
would
be
included.
A
Meeting,
no,
the
council
would
decide
that.
So
I
see
that
we
have
christine
bartlett's
hand
up.
R
Go
in
front
of
me,
that
would
be,
I
think,
our
preference
he
has
christine.
We
just
heard
from
him.
A
Mike
was
there
anything
crucial?
I
was
going
to
let
you
know
a
round
of
the
commissioners.
Q
Have
you
know,
questions
and
comments
and
sort
of
reserve?
My
comments
till
a
little
bit
later.
R
The
other
issue
is
that
any
requirement
has
to
be
in
the
purview
of
historic
preservation
right.
R
R
A
Question
you
know
the
city
looks
at
municipal
code,
section
8.08.050
that
does
talk
about.
J
All
right,
thank
you,
daniel.
I
see
we
have
the
near
west
side
with
their
hand
up
as
well.
O
Being
on
the
record,
the
neighborhood
association
has
been
on
the
record
in
support
of.
O
The
historic
site:
it's
it's
crucial
to
the
character
of
the
site
and
we
would.
O
Urge
you
not
to
support
historic
designation
without
the
smoke
stack.
M
I
I'm
even
further
confused
by
what
the
lawyer
said
so.
M
The
contractor
said
at
the
time
that
that
was
a
problem,
so
it's
been
a
continuing.
M
M
Raised
the
whole
floor,
the
state
historic
architect
required
that
we
keep
a
platform.
M
Originally
without
the
elevated
floor,
so
I
I
don't
underst
the
whole.
I
think
we
need
to.
H
H
A
C
Always
in
their
hands,
who
should
I
put
for
greg
alexander,
hasn't
spoken
yet
yeah,
that's
great.
I
Tammy
from
2nd
baptist
church
hi,
my
name
is
greg
alexander.
I
hope
this
isn't
out
of
turn,
but.
S
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
permit
full
demolition
of
the
chimney
as
soon
as
possible.
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
S
Even
during
this
meeting
I
went
down
the
b
line
and
it's
causing
traffic
congestion
on
the
b.
S
A
There
you
go
yes,
I
I
wanted
to
say
you
know
our
our
issue
with
this.
Is
we
we
don't
mind.
Q
Q
To
force
us
to
spend
more
money
to
memorialize
things,
you
know
we
were,
we
were
shown
things.
Q
And
spend
their
money
on
art
installations.
We
take
serious
offense
to
that
and
we
just
want.
C
Give
me
a
second,
let
me
ask
you,
okay,
thank
you
and
I
again
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
the.
R
Legal
points
of
this,
but
I
I
do
I
do
want
to
to
daniel's
point
I
mean
the
code-
is
very
clear.
It.
R
R
R
M
M
A
A
Just
to
add
to
that
too,
the
city
in
its
unsafe
order
also
put
it
at
the
60-foot
mark
as
well.
M
When
people
ask
for
what
I
would
call
some
sort
of
a
lesser
problem,
they're
required
to
give
back.
M
M
Benefit
for
the
city
would
be
so
abhorrent
to
the
petitioner,
and
I
don't
understand
how.
M
To
me
I
mean
it
doesn't.
This
is
these:
we
have
a
lot
of
really
creative
people
in.
M
Sundial
I
mean
there
are
all
sorts
of
things
that
could
happen.
That
would
not
would
not
be
what.
M
M
So
I
I'm
a
little
bit
mystified
by
the
iron
that
this
seems
to
be
creating.
I
know.
H
In
the
demolition
and
the
new
proposal
that
address
further
deterioration
of
the
stack.
E
Keeping
it
at
75
will
cost
extra
money.
Is
there
no
option
at
all
for
keeping
it
at
the
height.
E
A
A
A
A
E
Q
The
smoke
stack
is
leaning
starting
around.
I
think
it
was
like
the
30-foot
mark,
so
it
continuously.
Q
Not,
I
think,
some
uns
uncertainty
as
to
if
that
could
be
done.
Q
And
what,
and
if
that
would
meet
code
as
well
and
the
additional
cost
would
be,
would
would
then.
Q
Again
be
placed
to
us,
and
there
is
a
financial
consideration
to
all
of
this.
You
know
it
was.
Q
As
gloria
said
at
the
minimum,
an
additional
150
most
likely
closer
to
two
hundred
thousand.
T
So
if
I
could
speak
to
that
again,
this
is
this
is
joe
patrick
again
from
forbidden
development,
so.
T
The
based
on
the
engineering
results
that
we
have
the
engineer
would,
within
the
safety
current.
T
Initial
budget
of
the
additional
cost
for
that
additional
15
feet,
it
would
require
extensive.
T
T
Is
an
unknown
they're,
not
quite
sure
exactly
at
this
point,
if
it's
how
it
is
bearing
if
it's.
T
T
T
T
T
Is
a
little
bit
kind
of
too
focused
and
and
too
narrow
for
for
our
discussion
purposes
here.
A
The
city
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
issues,
not
really
even
the
cost
of
it,
but
more.
The.
A
A
F
Understand
here
I
I,
I
questioned
him
about
the.
Why
the
why
the
city
was
pursuing
a
strategy.
F
To
go
ahead
and
and
move
the
designation
forward
quickly,
as
opposed
to
just
stepping
in
with
its.
F
F
F
A
In
the
code
for
for
public
safety,
demolitions
under
historic
preservation,
the
the
conditions.
A
For
that
are
a
structure
that
is
an
immediate
danger
to
either
persons
or
property
and
is.
A
A
Engineering
study
and
what
we
were
hearing
that,
while,
while
it's
certainly
unsafe,
it
doesn't.
A
A
Anything
else,
jonathan,
no
everything
else
I
have
would
be
in
the
form
of
comment.
A
F
No
codes
have
changed
for
sure,
but
this
it's
this.
If
you
read
rc
engineers
report.
F
F
Of
the
undocumented,
the
leaning,
the
twisting
the
band,
the
requirement
for
banding
and
so
on.
F
In
1994.,
the
addition
of
the
att
equipment
certainly
didn't
help
they've
added
hundreds.
F
F
And
the
fact
that
it's
been
there,
as
long
as
it
has,
is
an
indication
that
it
was
a
well-built.
N
N
N
A
Another
issue,
which
is,
I
believe,
that
that
art.
A
Road
again
for
some
of
these,
these
questions
that
we've
been
kind
of
debating
today
that.
Q
I'm
free
to
answer,
because
that
was
you
know
us
who
came
to
to
this
group
to
discuss.
Q
Just
seeking
sort
of
advice
and
and
guidance
and
wanting
to
get
opinion
at
that
point
at
t
was.
Q
Still
looking
to
be
have
equipment
in
in
this
location,
so
we
were
trying
to
see
if
there
was.
Q
Any
any
creative
solution
that
would
basically
replace
the
the
stack
there
with
a
new
tower.
Q
Our
idea
was
basically
use
solar
power,
so
create
a
tower.
You
know
that
was
that
would
be.
Q
Q
It
in
a
t-
and
ultimately
you
know,
pay
homage
to
the
stack.
You
know,
a
structure
that
created
and.
Q
Generated
power,
you
know
back
in
its
time
with
a
new
structure
that
would
generate
power.
Q
With
you
know
a
production
source
of
our
time-
and
that
was
you
know
ultimately.
Q
No
sir,
we
never
negotiated
a
price
with
at
t.
We
came
to
you
guys
first
before
even
approaching.
Q
At
t
to
see,
if
you
know
cost
sharing
of
that
new
structure
and
elites
could
be
determined.
Q
Q
Financially,
if
that
was
ever
feasible,
we
came
to
you
guys,
first
to
just
get
an
idea
of
whether.
Q
Or
not,
that
would
be
acceptable
right,
so
your
current
position
is
that
any
kind
of
installation.
N
Q
Yeah
we're
willing
to
work
with
this
city
if,
if
an
installation
or
a
piece
of.
Q
Art
wants
to
be
provided
we're
willing
to
work
with
the
city
for
that
right
and.
A
That
may
be
for
a
planning
development,
not
necessarily
it's
a
council.
It
was
a
council.
P
I
do
not
right
now
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
would
say
that.
A
Q
Sorry,
I
just
never
lowered
my
hand,
okay.
A
Let's
start
with
marlene:
can
I
go
at
the
end
this
time
at
the
end,
this
time?
Okay,
certainly.
E
Of
the
the
the
principles,
the
owners
of
this
property,
which
seem
to
be
coming
from
the.
E
It
comes
with
some
amount
of
risk.
It's
been
mentioned
here
that
this
condition
is
not.
E
E
Some
kind
of
practical
purpose,
as
with
a
building
that
closes
people,
doesn't.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
do
have
comments,
but
in
last
meeting
we
heard
from
a
number
of
members.
A
A
A
U
A
historic
structure
and
if
the
costs
were
not
anticipated,
I
find
that
really.
U
I
find
that
really
surprising,
but
along
the
same
lines,
the
developer
was
given.
U
A
use
variance
for
this
building
and
that
use
variance
the
city
gave
them
a
use,
variance.
U
The
exact
shape
of
the
smokestack
I
mean
it
could
be
something
that
this
does
not
cost
a
lot.
U
A
V
W
Hi,
you
can
hear
me:
okay,
yes
great!
I
just
want
to
clarify,
since
you
wanted
to
hear
back
from.
W
W
Or
as
a
local,
historic
district
in
the
course
of
that,
yes,
we
expressed
our
appreciation.
W
W
Were
not
taking
a
stand
on
the
safety
and
which
we
recognize?
You
know
that
there's
a
safe
there.
W
P
Okay:
okay,
I'm
going
to
do
this
in
two
parts
and
one
is
I'll
comment
on
the
proposed
action.
A
Read
the
engineers
report
substantially
and
I
you
know,
as
duncan
said
they're
a.
A
Well-Respected
engineering
group
that
looks
to
me,
like
they
did
a
really
thorough
job
twice.
P
And
it
you
know,
I
am
convinced
that
a
this
is
a
hazard,
as
the
city
has
already
determined,
b.
A
A
A
So
it
feels
to
me
like
that
is
right
in
front
of
us,
but
that's
very
difficult
to
do.
A
I
you
know,
I
definitely
hear
both
the
proponents
increasing
frustration
with
this
feelings.
A
A
I
can
understand
some
of
the
reason
that
issue
I
you
know
I
think
jana
is
concerned
about.
A
The
cost
being
under
our
consideration-
and
I
will
address
that
and
she's
feeling
that
there
might.
A
Be
something
not
so
outrageous
about
some
kind
of
I'll
talk
about
it
as
a
mitigation
measure.
A
A
A
P
District,
I
agree,
you
know
it's
pretty
integral
to
the
johnson
creamery.
That
stated
this
number.
A
P
That
we
don't
want
to
damage.
I
don't
really
want
that
on
my
conscience
says:
neglect
can't
be.
A
A
Interest
in
yeah
and
just
resolving
the
danger
of
this
of
this
smokestack
at
the
moment.
A
And
you
know,
I
I
think
it's
legitimate
for
the
developer
to
be
concerned
about.
A
A
A
Say
here's
the
formula
for
which
you
do
that.
So
I
would
say
that
myself
and
then
possible.
A
Alternatives
to
demolition
we
have-
I
haven't
seen
anything
that
has
been
proposed,
that.
A
A
A
And
I'm
sad
about
it,
but
I
you
know
I
kind
of
that's
where
we
are
the
question
about.
A
A
A
Of
agreement,
so
you
set
all
the
stakeholders
and
the
parties
around
the
table
and
you
develop.
A
A
Have
somebody
sit
on
that
moa
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
interested
parties,
the
near
west.
A
Side,
historic
district
folks,
any
you
know
other
people
could
be
brought
in.
I
think
that's.
A
A
A
A
Rather
than
using
language,
like
a
condition
just
say,
we
approve
this
and
part
of
our
approval.
A
A
One
zero
8.12.0106
three
under
the
code
would
would
be
that
I
would
only.
A
A
A
R
R
R
R
Would
be
void
and-
and
I
understand
what
you're
proposing,
but
I
do
respectfully
believe
that
that.
H
The
mou
and
that,
as
a
path
forward
that
said,
the
smokestack
is
iconic.
It
may
not
be
useful.
H
Stack
to
be
removed-
and
I
have
a
lot
of
sympathy
with
that
crowd.
The
the
grace
and
the
elegance.
H
Integrity
of
this
smokestack
irreparably,
that
said,
it's
not
safe.
It
wasn't
built
to
last.
H
It's
the
second
one
out
there
and
it
was
used
hard.
It
was
built
for
a
purpose
and.
H
But
is
that
enough
to
justify
the
risk
to
public
safety?
I
I
don't
believe
it
is.
H
H
Not
only
support
the
well
actually,
I
do
have
an
issue
with
supporting
the
coa,
as
as
I'd
support.
H
H
Everybody
wants
it
to
do,
doesn't
make
sense.
You
know
the
owner
bought
this
knowing
it
was.
A
M
Okay,
so
I
agree
with
my
new
friend.
M
Issue
with
respect
to
giving
and
getting
so
the
things
that
I
think
about
when
you're.
M
M
The
the
part
that
was
rebuilt
matched
the
existing
historic
facades
of
this
row
house,
but.
M
Where
the
bomb
was,
there
was
a
little
cant
to
the
front
of
the
house,
and
that
was
to
express.
M
Made
it
special,
and
so
here
we
have
this
tower,
whether
it's
part
or
all
or
none
that
could
be.
M
You
know
the
thing
I
think
you
should
go
and
look
at
the
thing.
That's
in
front
of
the
iu
art.
M
M
The
building
is
so
I
I
think
that
the
ire
and
the
and
the
sort
of
anger
of
the
of
the
owner.
A
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
move
to
duncan
comments.
This
is
all
very
interesting.
F
Address
a
couple
of
things
that
have
already
been
said:
there
is
a
procedure
in
the
preservation.
F
And
it
addresses
hardship
costs.
Second,
I
understood
the
notion
that
the
word.
F
It's
conditional
until
the
historic
district
is
approved
at
city
council
and
if
that
is
not.
F
Approved
at
city
council,
the
cfa
goes
away,
it's
not
it's
not.
It
does
not
become
official
or.
F
F
F
About
how
do
you
interpret
historic
sites
that
aren't
there
anymore.
F
How
do
you
interpret
historic
sites
that
are
somewhat
there?
How
do
you
create.
F
F
F
F
F
I
worked
on
this
building
for
seven
or
eight
years.
I
hate
losing
it,
but
I
understand.
F
F
To
be
a
reasonable
for
my
reading
of
the
rc
report
that
that's
the
most
likely
most
stable.
F
Place
to
stop
that
doesn't
mean
that
at
some
point
it
can't
be
improved
upon
either
by.
F
F
All
day
long
and
producing
you
know
the
product
that
it
was
producing,
I've
had
people
ask
me
as.
F
F
F
Get
asked,
and
so
I
that's
that
would
be
my
argument
for
keeping
as
much
of
it
as.
F
He
didn't
already
have
when
he
bought
the
building,
so
I
would
certainly
favor.
F
Keeping
and
restoring
as
much
of
it
as
as
possible.
Thank
you
duncan.
A
Ernesto,
yes,
I
couldn't
agree
more.
I
couldn't
say
better
than
what
duncan
just
said.
J
That
would
be
the
best
scenario
here.
They
bought
the
property,
knowing
that
he
had
some.
J
Deterioration
on
the
structure,
so
I
know
we
can
do
something
with
it.
Thank
you.
A
N
N
N
Q
In
a
statement
you
know
we
have
done,
peerless
has
done
historic,
landmark
renovations
before.
Q
Drew
us
to
this
site,
please
you
know,
don't
you
know
it
should
not
be
felt
that
we
are
coming.
Q
Hours
trying
to
preserve
it
applying
for
grants
to
to
preserve
it
at
full
height.
Q
Q
About
it
either
we
we
appreciate
the
role
of
the
hpc
and
we
love
our
and
the
idea
of
using
and.
Q
And
coming
up
with
unique
ideas
and
uses,
we
just
don't
feel
that
we
should
be
beholden.
Q
To
provide
the
funding
for
that
purpose
again,
we're
happy
to
you
know,
work
with
the
city.
Q
Or
conditional
coc
of
coas
we
understand
and
I've
seen
it
happen.
I've
sat
through
a.
Q
Lot
of
these
meetings,
where,
as
a
petitioner,
is
recommending
something
the
the
commissioners.
Q
Q
Q
Being
told
that
we
have
to
fund
an
art
installation
as
a
condition
for
our
approval,
so
we.
Q
We
ask
for
your
your
vote
to
approve
to
allow
us
to
comply
with
the
order,
and
you.
Q
Know
we
hope
to
work
together
to
find
a
you
know,
creative
and
and
unique
solution
that
will.
Q
Q
A
A
Just
said,
and
really
one
of
the
things
I
heard
that
seemed
to
be
helping
us
could
help.
A
But
you
are
happy
to
work
with
the
city
after
the
fact
on
an
unconditional
basis
to
find.
A
Something
to
do
that
would
you
know
take
this
into
account.
Did
I
understand
that
correctly.
Q
Yes,
we
are,
we
are
willing
to
work
with
the
city,
you
know
if
it's
a.
Q
If
it's
an
art
contest
or
something
like
that,
where
you
know
ultimately,
then.
A
Q
So
I
I
would
say
again
that
sounds
like
a
condition
that
sounds
like
a
condition.
Q
To
ultimately
what
we
need
to
do
so
you
know
I
I
think
you
can
take.
Q
A
A
A
A
A
That
they
should
do
that
or
that's
part
of
our
approval.
You
want
us
to
take
you
at
your
work.
A
A
A
E
E
Conditions-
and
I
don't
use
that
in
any-
I
used
in
the
classical
sense
and
not
any.
E
Legal
sense
can
be
imposed,
can
can,
can
we
put
a
writer
on
this
or
any
kind.
A
E
And
it
may
have
been
something
I
picked
up
on.
I
think
daniel
said
it
about
when
he
answered
the.
E
E
A
A
That
you
know
the
b
line
is
closed
in
this
section,
so
it
is
so
at
the
question
and.
A
E
E
A
And
parks
thought
it
was
prudent
to
close
off
a
section
of
the
line.
The
engineer
stated.
A
Acts
of
god
failure!
That's
that
we
have
the
best
information
that
I
think.
A
We
can
make
a
judgment
on
we,
that's
that's
what
we've
got
and
we're
just
making
judgment
calls.
C
Is
hypothetically
common
council
were
to
designate
the
creamery
and
small
stack
as
a.
C
H
By
putting
it
off,
we
are
there
one
of
the
one
of
the
members
of
the
public
mentioned
that.
H
Both
users
of
that
space,
because
it
it's
overcrowded,
I'm
not
excited
that
that.
H
To
expedite
the
process,
I
I'm
in
favor
of
that,
so
I
I'm.
M
M
F
John
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment.
Yes,
thank
you
in
the
past,
when
we've
had
a
legal.
F
Appropriateness
that
has
always
meant
that
the
city
legal
department
is
supporting
what
we're.
F
Doing
and
we've
we've
pretty
much
left
of
that
and
gone
ahead
and
made
taken
the
action
that
we.
F
Needed
to
take
and
left
it
to
legal,
to
sort
out
the
problem
dan
daniel
has
told
us
that.
F
E
E
A
Well,
after
listening
to
all
of
this,
I
I
again
I'm
swayed
by
the
public
safety
argument
and.
A
I
I
think
we
should
surpass
this
as
is
and-
and
I
sat
here
and
was
pondering
and
I
think.
A
A
Talk
to
a
city
and
stakeholders
about
the
project,
that's
equivalent
to,
in
my
opinion,
to
you,
know.
M
A
Let's
move
on
to
demolition
delay,
dd
2209
200
he's
currently
having
it.
Okay,
so.
C
Avenue
the
petitioner
is
requesting
full
demolition.
I
even
included
the
start
date.
C
So
that
we
have
that
as
a
reference,
so
staff
has
reviewed
the
documentation
and.
C
I
was
I
would,
I
have
been
researching,
who
the
architect
for
this
building
is.
C
C
Type
of
building,
however,
I
have
not
been
able
to
find
additional
information.
C
C
C
Style
so
in
the
packet,
if
you
go
to
whatever
it's
towards
the
back
towards
the
back,
I
did.
C
Include
the
survey
sheet
for
this
building
and
for
the
cvs
current
cvs
building
in
front.
C
Of
it,
which
was
another
bank
of
a
similar
of
the
same
typology,
but
not
the
exact
same
design,.
C
These
are
the
two
buildings
that
I
found
in
the
area
outside
of
the
historic
protected
district.
C
Of
courthouse
square
so
yeah
I
had
the
work
working,
men's
federal
savings
and
loan
association.
C
Them
to
raise
their
hand
so
that
I
can
allow
them
to
speak
and
and
the
and
I.
C
C
I
haven't
had
as
been
able
to
find
again
what
this
type
of
typology
of
building
usually.
C
C
That
anyways,
I
have
to
tim
cover
here
and
my
last
one-
is
that
okay,
yes,
absolutely
excellent.
X
Hello
good
evening,
my
name
is
tim
cover,
I'm
with
studio
3
design
out
of.
Y
And
I
guess
first
of
all
I'd
I'd
just
like
to
say
you
know
number
one.
Thank
you
for
giving
us
the.
Y
Y
A
lot
of
good
discussion,
though
so
it's
kind
of
it's,
my
understanding
that
the
role
of
the
the.
Y
And
determine
if
basically
those
merits
and
and
perhaps
the
contribution
to
the.
Y
Making
the
assumption
that
this
moves
forward
with
a
recommendation
for
being
designated
and.
Y
Then
it
would
go
to
council,
and
I
understand
that
process
would
be
separate
from
this.
Y
But
if
this
was
designated
and
and
that
became
ratified
by
the
council.
Y
Is
this
the
type
of
structure
where
you
would
consider
building
additions
as
part
of
that.
Y
Process,
you
know
what
we
would
come
back
to
you
with
and
obviously
it's.
Y
A
hundred
percent
dependent
on
what
we
show
you
down
the
road,
but
when
I
look
at
this
structure.
Y
Y
Y
You
know
if
you
looked
at
in
addition
to
this
facility
as
a
way
to
I
guess,
better
utilize.
The.
Y
Land
and
and
maintain
the
life
of
the
facility,
I
would
see
you
know
kind
of,
could
you
add
to
the.
Y
Back
of
the
building
and
to
the
perhaps
towards
the
graduate
hotel
and
even
over
the
top
of
the.
Y
Building
provided
that
you
respected
the
original
shells,
you
know
stepping
back
an
appropriate.
Y
Distance
from
any
perimeter
walls,
so
I
guess
some
of
that
is
both
the
statement
and
a
question.
Y
Y
How
we
might
move
forward?
Thank
you,
sam
are
we
doing
questions,
questions,
questions.
A
A
C
So,
but
also
before
we
go
on,
I
said
tim
did:
ask
a
question
to
us:
is
it
okay
to
try
to
answer
it
or.
C
And
chris
to
ask
okay,
don't
you
do
you
have
any
questions.
H
F
C
F
I
would
just
like
I'd
just
like
to
hear
you.
Yes,
yes,
so
the
main
criteria,
and
perhaps
the.
C
Main
focus
of
the
three
that
I
that
I
am
leaning
towards
is
the
fact
that
this.
C
C
Drive
through
sorry,
english,
I
was
thinking
in
spanish
sorry,
so
it
does
have
a
drive-through.
C
That
was
installed
at
one
point.
It
did
have
the
original
sign
taken
down
and
another
one,
but.
C
You
can
see
the
talent
cess
of
the
original
sign,
but
the
material
on
the
exterior
is.
C
Disappearing
very
quickly,
the
localized
material,
so
the
use
of
the
indiana
limestone.
C
That
is
it's
something
that
sort
of
unifies
the
landscape.
When
you
look
at
the
church
behind.
C
C
Noble
material
that
is
very
much
of
this
area
that
I
thought
was
worthy
of
consideration.
C
So
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
with
this
property.
Again,
I
will
respect.
C
C
Up
but
I
have
found
that
international
style
buildings
and
later
buildings,
leaning
towards.
C
C
Right
in
front
of
it
and
another
is
near
the
town
square
and
and
although
there
still
are
banks.
C
Is
this
very
clean
international
style
that
we
tend
to
sort
of
associate
with
high-rises,
not.
C
Two-Story
buildings,
not
buildings
of
this-
this
is
a
very
small
building
for
being
an.
C
C
That
later,
and
so
that,
does
that
help
a
little
more
or
am
I
still
not
giving
enough?
That's
great.
F
J
J
N
A
Within
the
90-day
window,
okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
comments,
marlene,
okay,
so.
M
I
think
that
in
this
age,
where
we're
worried
about
the
environment,
the
embodied
energy.
M
To
go
back
to,
but
I
think
that
would
all
work
to
an
advantage
for
an
architect
of
me
being
an.
M
Architect
and
having
worked
on
adaptive,
uses
buildings
in
here
in
new
york,
city
and
boston.
M
I
think
that
it
would,
it
would
be
a
really
good
pivot
point
for
a
design
working
on
a
design.
M
Make
the
process
a
lot
better
and
that,
having
been
said
this
kind,
this
building.
M
E
You
know
players
that
is
in
good
nick.
I
would
vote
for
designation.
H
H
So
this
becomes
one
of
a
very
few.
If
not
the
only
example
of
you
know,
solid.
H
Left
there,
probably
that
was
famous
and
all
of
that,
but
that
doesn't
move
me
like
a
building.
H
Does
move
me
so
I
would
advocate
to
move
this
forward
on
the
designation
front.
That
said,.
H
Some
kind
of
setback
or
separation
or
delineation
between
the
old
and
the
new,
I
think
that's
the.
H
Big
thing
you
know,
the
the
the
commission
has
no
purview
on
what
goes
on
inside
the
building.
H
That's
fun,
you
know,
there's
there's
some
great
finishes
in
there
and.
H
H
Adapter
for
use
project
and
it's
right
downtown
it's
right
here.
You
know
bus
and
transit
and.
A
Ahead
and
send
this
one
to
the
council
for
her
nomination
and
really
do
appreciate
the
proponents.
P
Change
of
tone
and
approach-
and
I
do
think
we
got
lots
of
good
folks-
would
be
happy.
A
The
significance
of
the
building
on
this
streetscape
so
yeah,
I
I.
A
So
we'll
need
a
motion
to
move
it
forward.
I
just
heard
one
from
oh,
mr
matt.
J
Yes,
thank
you
we're
still
here
duncan
and
I
went.
J
We're
not
gone
yeah,
hey
just
just
want
to
say
I
used
to
work
just
half
a
block
from
this
building.
J
J
J
J
J
F
Yeah,
thank
you
still
still
here,
not
not
always
willingly,
but
still
here.
F
I'll
try
to
add
a
little
to
what
maureen
and
sam
and
others
have
said.
I
agree.
F
F
I
think
the
adaptive
use
this
building
is
has
real
potential.
I
I
see
it
as
having
two
primary.
F
The
one
facing
kirkwood,
however,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
room
behind
the
building
and
I
think.
F
A
couple
studios
to
architects
on
on
compatible
design
and
adapting
historic
buildings,
and
so.
F
Done
and
and
I've
seen
very,
very
traditional
historic
buildings.
Let's
say.
F
Even
newer
buildings,
with
additions
to
them
that
are
compatible
in
in
very
distinct
ways.
F
F
That
we
would
be
very
willing
to
entertain
the
idea
of
an
adaptive
use,
that
is,
that
meets.
A
Y
Oh
yes,
just
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
for
the
feedback
and
I
will
definitely.
Y
Take
advantage
of
working
with
you
to
gain
ideas
and,
as
we
take
a
look
at
the
building.
A
A
A
Resolution
today
regarding
the
property
located
at
200
east
second,
I
mean
east
kirkwood.
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
do
we
have
any
new
business.
A
A
A
A
A
E
A
M
M
M
E
A
A
A
M
M
M
M
H
H
M
E
E
E
I've
seen
them
put
up
scaffolding
around
it
and
and
scaffolding
in
it
to
keep
it
up,
and
I
don't.
E
A
Duncan,
do
you
have
anything
to
say?
Well,
I
I
in
in
renard's
defense,
I
I
was
talking
the
comments.
F
Of
a
coa,
as
proposed
as
matt
said,
included
the
recommendation
from
staff.
I
thought
that's
what
we.
F
Were
looking
at
and
debating
so
you
know
he
and
I
might
both
be
wrong,
but
I
that
he
he
I
just.
F
F
F
F
F
But
I
was
I'm
happy
personally
with
the
60
feet,
determination,
but.
B
H
H
So
we're
we
got
to
find
out
what
our
business
commissioner
would
do
yeah
well,
would
it
be.
A
P
P
A
A
Record
you
just
sort
of
have
conditions
and
then
right.
Well,
my
suggestion
would
be.
A
A
I
get
what
you're
saying:
first,
you
have
to
vote
to
reconsider
and
we
could
lose
that
vote
and
then.
A
I
think
that
the
kid
this
company
bought
this
property
they
should
have
done
their.
A
So
so,
what's
in
front
of
us
is
I'm
sorry,
I'm
taking
over.
A
A
M
A
H
E
M
It
says
it
and
then
somebody
repeats
it
whether
it's
okay
to
you
or
I
think.
A
It's
what
you're
saying,
if
I
may,
I
I
don't
know
if
this
being
an
extraordinary
meeting,
that.
E
E
E
E
A
Can
asserting
the
safety
the
need
to
get
this
done
safely
as
quickly
as
we
can,
and
so.
J
J
Thank
you
if,
when
you
when
you,
if,
if
the
maybe
it's
a
question
for
daniel,
but
if,
if
there's
a.
F
Another
meeting
scheduled
in
order
to
do
this
take
this
action
in
order
to
get
the
owner
present.
D
A
Being
debated,
okay,
you
haven't
vote
yet
you
haven't
voted
on
it.
Yet
that's
why
I
called
for.
F
H
E
E
This
is
what
will
be
discussed.
We're
telling
you
this
as
a
courtesy,
you
can
attend.
E
E
But
I
think
they
should
be
informed
and
give
the
opportunity
to
the
president.
Okay,
I
understand.
F
F
A
A
It's
like
if
we
continued
it
having
never
voted
on
it
now.
I
understand
that
there's
been
that.
A
A
To
speak,
and
that
seems
to
me
to
be
the
most
fair
you
know
I
I
feel
bad
all
around
that
it
wasn't.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
A
C
Valentine
sorry,
elm
heights,
the
spanish
tile
issue
traveling
up,
oh
the
second
and
first
yes,
is.
H
C
C
F
F
F
F
Where
we
had
a
boundary
that
was
incomplete
in
the
sense
that
it
was
proposed
by
staff
as
a.
F
F
F
F
F
With
an
undefined
boundary
or
a
boundary
that
is
somewhat
open-ended,
and
I
mean
we
don't.
F
F
F
A
A
Accurately
reflects
what
happened
they
sent,
we
sent
them
a
boundary,
we
sent
them
a
clear
red.
A
A
A
And
we
did
send
them
a
defined
boundary
and
you
and
I
disagreed
on
what
that
boundary
should
be.
A
Et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
it
it's
not
accurate
that
we
didn't
send
them
a
boundary.
We
sent
them
a.
A
That
we
would
leave
it
to
if
the
council
wanted
to
cut
it
down.
They
could
just
like
you
just
said.
A
A
Discussion
and
argument
later
and
there's
you
know,
but
I've
had
some
experience
with
national.
A
F
F
H
Moving
on
trying
to
make
those
boundaries
coincident
yeah,
it
would
be
embarrassing
to.
Q
P
A
Be
correct
to
resist
well
right
now:
we've
moved
to
recess
when
we
would
set
a
date
and
when
we.
P
End
time
and
when
we
rejoin,
we
could
kick
it
off
simply
by
making.
I
could
simply
remake
my.