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C
Give
me
one
second,
sorry:
council
chambers:
yes,
sorry,
this
technology.
D
B
Hi
duncan,
can
you
hear
us
and
can
you
unmute?
Yes,
I
can
hear.
H
A
D
All
right
motion
carries
very
good.
Let's
move
on
to
the
coas
staff
approval,
coa
22-21.
C
Okay,
good
afternoon
everybody
today
we
have,
we
are
going
to
start
with
coa
22-21.
C
Originally
found
that
everything
complied
with
the
near
west
side
guidelines.
However,
let
me.
C
However,
it
turns
out
that
commissioner
christourbaum
indicated
that
it
is
not.
C
In
a
near
west
side,
historic
conservation
district
after
all,
but
rather
in
the
fairview.
C
Historic
district,
which
has
does
not
allow
for
fencing
in
the
front
yard
only
in
the
backyard.
C
C
Able
to
revise
the
coa
for
it
only
to
cover
the
back
and
send
and
useful
information.
C
To
the
owners
so
that
they
can,
from
now
on
work
with
their
property
through
the
fairview.
C
Guidelines,
rather
than
the
near
what
side,
guidelines
and
the
near
west
side.
C
Well
so
yeah,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
with
coa
22-21
a
staff
approval
that
was
revised
today.
C
Coa
22-16
calls
for
the
the
petitioners
are
asking
for
the
removal
of
a
chimney.
C
C
C
C
C
C
Did
not
pardon
me
gloria,
we
just
were
talking.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're.
E
C
Yes,
so
where
were
we
so
staff
felt
ambivalent
and
wanted
more
information
before.
C
Recommends
the
approval
of
the
removal
of
the
chimney
and
that's
where
I
will
leave
it.
Sorry.
A
Thank
you
gloria.
Let's
do
questions
and,
let's
start
out
with,
let's
start
out
with
matthew.
J
Yeah,
sorry,
I
I
could
not
not
mute
myself
there,
so
I
was
trying
to
signal
as
best
I
could.
J
A
whole
lot
about
masonry,
but
using
bathroom
caulk
and
fire.
That's
really
not
a
good
thing
and.
J
The
owner
of
the
old
chimney
suite
passed
away
and
the
company
has,
I
I'm
not
sure
if
it.
J
Successful
I've
called
on
left
messages
and
not
been
able
to
get
actually
get
a
hold
of
them.
A
A
J
K
J
No,
we've
never
been
able
to
use
the
fireplaces,
we
had
it
inspected
and
they
said
do
not
use
these.
J
J
L
A
I
M
A
A
C
C
C
C
C
Installation,
but
it's
just
going
to
be
the
panels
as
staff,
so
let
me
see
this
is
another
image.
C
So
yes,
yes,.
A
O
O
And
there
would
be
no
mechanical
that
would
be
seen.
Everything
would
be
integrated
into
the.
O
O
Be
as
tidy
and-
and
you
know,
clean
as
we
could
possibly
make
it
being
harmony,
students
and.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Let's
move
on
to
questions
matthew,
no
question
sam.
O
P
Could
you
explain
the
heat
is
the
enemy
of
the
solar
panel.
P
O
Yeah!
Yes,
without
getting
too
technical,
that
the
heat
heat
brings
down
the.
O
O
Thank
you
alison.
Yes,
one
question
has
the
historic
preservation
body
of
that
neighborhood.
M
C
The
ellen
heights
construction
subcommittee,
they
recommended
approval.
However,
they
had.
C
A
K
The
petitioner
do
you
have
a
preferred
location
for
the
panels
attached
to
the
wall
and
exterior.
O
A
preferred
location,
yeah,
the
south
south,
is
always
preferred
in
this
case.
The
way
that
the.
O
Roof
line
and
the
amount
of
energy
that
that
the
apple
gates
use,
we
would
always
go
south
first.
O
West
would
be
second,
the
east
is
going
to
be
third,
but-
and
in
this
case
the
only
thing.
O
O
And
so
they
will
only
I'm
sure,
use
more
power
in
the
future.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
O
Hanging
over
in
any
part
of
an
eve
or
or
over
the
hip.
So
in
that
sense,
if,
if
that
ever.
O
O
That's
where
that's
where,
if
you're
at
second
and
hawthorne
you
would,
you
would
see
it
the
most.
O
P
P
P
P
A
A
L
A
All
right,
thank
you,
chris,
so
we
need
a
motion
move
to
approve,
with
the
caveat
that
the.
P
Panels
be
installed
without
overhanging,
the
eaves
or
ridges.
A
C
C
Full
window
replacements,
so
staff
looked
at
the.
C
C
You
know
they're
they're
gone
and
even
though
the
I'm
gonna
show
you
the
replacement
options.
C
But
staff
does
encourage
the
owners
to
restore
them
and
to
replace
the
storm
windows
that
they.
C
C
C
Subcommittee
comments:
I
am
going
to
leave
them
up
for
about
a
minute,
because
this
is.
C
Original
structure
are
integral
to
the
style
and
the
story
of
the
house,
the
numerous
lights
and.
A
So,
let's
move
to
questions
and
let's
start
with
daniel.
P
I
guess
my
only
question
is,
I
see
a
bunch
of
different
windows,
but
I
don't
see
which
windows.
P
R
Yes,
I
thank
you.
The
plan
would
be
to
keep
all
window
openings
the
same
size.
R
Dimensions:
everything
as
close
to
original
as
possible.
A
Thank
you,
sam,
so
matthew,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
guidelines
again
and
it
says
if.
R
Over
the
past
few
years-
and
we
are
looking
for
something
just
a
little
more
durable.
M
Oh
the
cost.
I
assume
that
there's
a
cost
difference
between.
M
Windows,
yeah,
yes,
and
I
want
to
say
it
was
in
the
range
of
20
25
000
give
or
take.
Thank
you
sure.
R
Give
the
similar
appearance
to
what's
in
there.
I
also
have
a
quote
for
wood
windows
that.
R
Would
also
look
the
same.
The
the
end
result
is
there
was
about
a
five
thousand
six
thousand.
R
K
One
more
question:
did
you
have
an
assessment
of
the
condition
of
the.
K
Windows
by
a
professional-
or
you
know,
somebody
who
you
know,
repairs
historic
windows.
R
R
A
All
right,
thank
you,
chris.
Let's
move
on
to
comments.
I
Oh
yeah,
the
well.
What
I
see
is
that
the
original
windows
can
be
restored
and
reused
as.
I
They
have
been
before
and
that
probably
adding
the
storms
appropriate
storms
would
would.
I
Cut
down
on
the
frequency
of
of
repairs
and
so
and
the
district
is,
is
not
in
favor
of
this.
So.
P
P
P
That
you
actually
can
replace
well
that
I
think
this
commission
would
approve
replacing.
P
The
muttons
inside
the
glass
don't
fly,
you're
gonna
have
to
get
as
historically.
P
P
Those
windows
extensively
before
we'd
even
consider
replacement
okay,
so
I
I
cannot.
M
F
And
secretary
standards
call
for
sixty
percent
of
the
window
being
unrepairable.
A
L
L
C
Okay,
excellent,
thank
you.
They
are
here
so
this
project,
coa
22-22,.
C
Sorry
22-19
for
an
addition
at
208
east
16th
street
in
the
garden
hill,
historic
district.
C
C
Does
change
the
facade
in
vastly
this
is
how
it
looks
right
now,
some
commissioners
actually.
C
C
C
C
And
the
neighborhood
construction
subcommittee
approved
of
this
of
these
changes.
So
here
is
their.
C
C
L
Questions
I
had
a
question
about
parking,
but
it
looked
like
when
I
drove
by
and
it
looks
like.
S
So
the
the
existing
garage
will
remain
and
then
we're
just
adding
the
two
gravel
spots.
As
you
see.
S
Right,
what
what
height
is
that
retaining
wall
approximately
40
inches?
Oh
okay,
I
see.
L
A
Move
on
to
comments,
let's
start
with
allison,
I
have
no
comments.
Thank
you.
A
P
Is
per
the
elevations
and
not
the
plans,
and
that
staff
has
the
opportunity
to
review
anything.
P
This
one
thank
you
and
I
have
no
comments.
I
think
it's
a
good
project
duncan
comments.
F
Yeah,
I
I
mean
normally
when
I
see
an
addition
alter
the
original
intention
of
the
design,
so.
F
Hard
on
it
and
sam
said,
this
is
a
very
big
improvement
over
the
previous
one
and.
F
Of
additions
on
this
structure
and
as
staff
pointed
out,
the
structure's
been
pretty
well.
F
Muddled
over
time,
I
don't
think
we're
looking
at
anything
like
its
original
configuration,
so.
F
A
C
A
ranch
in
garden,
hill
and
sorry,
so
the
petitioner,
I'm
just
gonna,
skip
to
the
plants.
C
Is
the
final
phase
you
can
correct
me
is
the
addition
of
of
a
room
to
the
side.
C
However,
meeting
with
the
petitioner
and
the
owners
and
seeing
just
how
far
back
this
addition.
C
The
house
is
basically
the
bedroom
right
now,
so
the
the
addition
is
actually
barely
visible
from.
C
About
between
eight
and
ten
feet
above
the
ground,
so
it's
quite
leveled
up
and
then
it's
very.
C
This
has
been
done
with
a
lot
of
care.
Here's
a
neighborhood
association.
C
So
that
said,
staff
does
recommend
approval
for
coa
22-19.
Please.
A
Image
go
to
questions
daniel.
Do
you
have
questions.
Q
A
F
N
N
L
Comment,
yes,
yes,
so
I
had
when
we
met,
we
met
just
before
barry
submitted.
C
And
as
staff
my
I
don't
know,
I
I
wanted
the
sort
of
the
addition
to
to
be
a
little
bit
more.
C
Separate
from
the
house
or
to
feel
like
it's,
it
wasn't
overpowering
or
overwhelming,
or
eating.
C
C
You
know
not
as
a
horizontal
large
house
and
so
there's
many
things
to
be
taken
into.
C
C
A
Comments,
no
no
comments
at
this
time.
Sam,
it's
it's
been
fun
to
watch
the
occasional.
P
P
Fast
motion,
films,
but
I
think
the
petitioner
has
done
a
nice
job
articulating
the
new
versus.
P
The
old
and
letting
the
main
house
still
maintain
its-
I
guess
primacy
over.
P
Both
the
garage
and
the
the
addition-
and
it's
almost
becoming
a
small
compound
at
this
point.
P
M
A
K
L
L
C
Let
me
mute
myself,
so
I
included
staff
in
the
packet.
C
A
memorandum
of
agreement
for
the
an
indot
project
at
10th
street
and.
C
C
More
for
your
information
and
to
update
everybody,
because
the
historic
preservation
commission.
C
Conor
left
and
I
arrived
so
there
was
sort
of
a
void
and
staff.
That
said,
I'm
getting
looped.
C
C
Not
coming
up
at
the
moment
that
said
they
have
been
in
contact
with
bri
and
are
doing
a
lot
of.
C
End
there's
going
to
be
a
path
that
runs
by
the
road
it's
going
to
be
either.
C
Lot
of
stuff
still
going
on
it's
going
well
at
some
point,
it
will
come
to
us
as
a
coc
of
a
that's.
T
Consultants
to
come
up
with
a
a
design
that
minimizes
the
impact
on
the
farmstead.
T
And
I
hope
if
there
are
changes
to
it,
that
they
don't
cause
problems
but
anyway,
so.
T
A
And
there
will
be
the
johnson
creamery
nomination.
Yes,
can
the
owners
and
representatives
of.
C
Let
me
see
if
there's
anybody
else,
okay,
so
I
have
included
in
the
packets.
C
A
staff
report
for
the
johnson
creamery-
it
is
a
bit
extensive.
Did
I
echo
okay,
it
is
a
bit.
C
C
Of
bloomington's
foodways
from
farm
to
table
local
industry.
So
a
lot
of.
C
All
locally
sourced
and
therefore
this
helped
the
farmers
and
was
really
part
of.
C
C
Having
delivery
home
delivery
up
until
the
50s
or
60s,
they
used
horse
cart
horse,
drawn
carts.
C
C
Ended
up
closing
when
milk
and
other
products
were
being
sort
of
consolidated
into
these.
C
C
C
Hold
all
the
ice,
they
were
going
to
sell
that
year
in
one
single
place,
and
so
you
see
that.
C
C
C
It
also
reflects
the
geometry
of
having
the
railroad
tracks
right
by
it,
so
it's
got
that
it's.
C
C
C
To
be
talked
about
so
this
is
the
sorry
I'm
trying
to
think
of
so
this
is
the
southern
facade.
C
C
The
existing
components
of
the
building,
however,
part
of
the
part
of
the
small
structure.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
gloria,
so
we're
gonna
hear
from
peerless
now.
Q
U
The
founder
and
owner
of
paris
development
thanks
everybody
for
your
time
today,.
U
U
And
hands
repair
order
that
was
issued
to
us.
U
Seeking
would
be
a
partial
demolition
according
to
rc's
recommendation
down
to
60.
U
Feet
and
then
restoring
and
repairing
the
rest
of
the
smoke
stack,
and
I
think
and
and
with
that.
U
Room
for
a
t's
cellular
equipment,
so
part
of
the
demolition
would
be
that,
and
I
think
that.
U
U
Would
be
happy
to
comply
and
go
along
with
an
hpc
recommendation
to.
U
U
On
the
north
parking
lot
an
apartment
building
and
there
will
have
a
shared
easement
driveway.
U
And
re-pouring
the
foundation
and
the
sort
of
parking
spots
that
you
can
see
in
that
image
right.
U
There
we
didn't
know
if
that,
if,
like
ground
repair,
driveway
repair,
we
don't
know,
I
guess.
U
Come
back,
you
know
every
time
we
need
to
do
landscaping
or
or
repairs
to
the
parking
lot.
U
Or
sidewalks
we'd
like
to
get
that
question
answered
so
at
the
very
least
we'd
like
to
exclude.
A
Thank
you
so
we're
going
to
do
commissioner
comments.
Now:
okay,
yeah,
let's
move.
A
Wait:
legal
has
comments.
Yes,
sorry,
just
just
kind
of
a,
I
guess,
a
procedural
point.
G
G
Designation,
so
we
need
to
have
an
opportunity
for
that,
and
and
certainly
also
then,
the
standard.
C
So
the
people
who
have
their
hands
raised
can
you
lower
them.
C
Yes,
there
is
a
com,
there
is
a
person
who
wants
to
speak
karen
duffy.
V
I
have
a
letter
from
the
executive
board,
the
which
consists
of
seven
people
the
officers.
V
V
V
V
V
C
W
W
Everything
that
that
karen
just
said
as
one
of
the
signatories
of
that
letter
and.
W
Oppose
the
reduction
of
the
height
of
that
I
I
believe
that
that
there
are
practical
ways
to.
W
Shore
up
that
smoke
stack
at
its
current
height,
I
would
hate
to
see
it
reduced
and
I'm
opposed.
W
X
Hi,
can
you
hear
me
now,
yes
hi?
This
is
jan
sorby
and
when
I
found
out
that
this
was
going
to.
X
X
X
Relationship
to
this
area,
so
it
it
acts
as
more
of
a
defining
character
of
bloomington
than
many.
X
X
A
Thank
you,
jan
and
finally,
we
have
mike
cordaro
it
owner
is,
wants
to
speak.
U
In
st
louis
so
happy
to
happy
to
donate
it
to
the
city,
thank
you.
Any
more
public
comments.
C
Introduce
yourself
counsel
lifetime
lifelong
bloomingtonian.
H
And
member
of
the
hand
department
here
in
bloomington,
but
that's
beside
the
point.
G
I
guess
make
another
procedural
note
tonight
we
are,
we
are
really
just
on
the
question
of.
A
Thank
you
daniel.
So
I
still
want
to
move
on
to
commissioner
comments
about
this
so
duncan.
A
We're
having
comments,
we
are
having
comments,
and
this
is
another
project
on
the
nomination.
Yes,.
F
Somewhat
unresolved,
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
plans
for
an
apartment,
building.
F
F
Boundary,
but
that's
a
that's
something
we
don't
really
have
the
answer
to
yet.
F
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
when
we
have
that
discussion,
daniel
dixon,
but.
F
G
K
A
Okay,
matthew:
do
you
have
any
comments,
oh
well,
and
just
to
clarify
when
we
send
it
to
the
council.
A
I
But
as
there
is
no
stuff
there
anymore,
it
doesn't
bother
me
too
much
and
I
don't
think
it.
I
I
On
that
property
it
would
be,
then
the
national
register
designation
the
boundary
there.
So
we.
I
I
I
With
that
parking
lot,
but
I'm
not
concerned
about
it
because
there
isn't
anything
there.
I
I
I
mean,
I
understand
the
worry,
but
it's
a
parking
lot.
So
that's
my
only
comment.
I
would
say
that.
I
M
M
And
let
the
council
debate
that
into
the
wee
hours
of
the
night.
Thank
you
alison,
sam.
P
Sympathy
with
the
the
petitioner
that
the
you
know
they
want
to
develop
the
northern
portion.
A
F
F
F
F
Foundation
footprint
at
the
back,
I
think
it
and
also
in
terms
of
what
allison
was
proposing.
Y
Y
Boundary
that
we're
discussing
right
now
is
for
us
at
least
it
was
a
little
unclear.
I'm
sorry,
I.
Y
Y
Development
there
I
it
was
a
little
bit
unclear
to
us
exactly
where
the
boundary
line
came
from.
Y
F
Y
Image
like
this,
but
it
kind
of
cuts
through
the
the
utility
shed
there
that
we're
talking
the.
Y
Equipment
shed,
it
kind
of
cuts
through
the
smoke
stack
and
kind
of
just
right
through
the
middle.
Y
Y
C
National
register
of
historic
places,
which
is
the
entire
lot
so
that
was
taken
into
consideration.
C
C
C
C
So
there
are
various
options:
there
is
some
flexibility
to
this
and
the
reality
is.
C
C
Arbitrariness
of
this
of
these
lines,
however,
it
doesn't
have
to
remain
at
these
at
this.
C
Line
it
can
be
determined
right
now
that
the
building
footprint
itself
is
the
historic
district.
C
C
Help
clarify
your
doubts,
it
did
and
that's
that's
what's
exactly
what
we're
hoping
for.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
So
those
I
mean
they
may
seem
like
minor
items,
but
you
know
from
our
intent.
It
would
be
really.
Y
Come
back
to
historic
preservation,
council
for
a
special
you
know:
certificate
of
appropriateness.
Y
Building
a
little
closer,
the
the
southern
edge
along
seventh
avenue,
and
somebody
had
mentioned.
Y
Half
of
the
alley,
I
we,
I
don't
think
we
have
any
really
particular
you
know
opinion
one.
Y
Y
We're
going
to
be
proposing
to
do
some
work
related
to
the
new
development
would
be
really.
I
Well,
I
would
propose
we,
we
make
the
boundary
the
footprint
of
the
building.
I
Has
been
advised
about
the
national
register
boundary
and
yeah
if
they
want
a
federal
permit
or.
F
Is
there
there
are
there's
a
lot
of
access
geometry?
There
are
walkways,
there
are
stairs.
F
F
F
Including
the
electrical
terminal
there,
because
that
is
that
was
put
in
there
in
full.
F
Service
of
the
johnson
creamery
building
itself
like
that,
is
actually
part
of
the
property,
so.
F
F
F
P
The
building
and
the
you
know
those
application
for
national
registry
and
all
that.
P
P
A
E
P
P
E
E
E
E
I
And
that
would
probably
capture
some
of
duncan's
concerns
about
streetscape
and.
L
I'm
sorry
yeah,
I
mean
I
feel,
like
we've
got
a
good
actor
here
and
I'd
like
to
work
with.
I
If
that
would
work,
I
will
move
that.
Okay,
then,
when
we
make
the
motion
there,
we
move
this
to
city.
A
Council
for
designation
daniel
sorry
there's
a
resolution:
do
you
have
the
resolutions
with
you.
L
We've
looked
at
first,
that's
defined
and
is
on
the
table
and
has
come
from
our
staff.
F
F
F
F
Sweeps
around
and
basically
makes
a
bee
line
for
the
for
the
stack
itself,
and
so
it's
in.
U
Hi
our
our
issue
with
that
is
the
that
curb
and
that
sidewalk
and
that
configuration
are.
U
All
changing,
as
as
part
of
the
proposed
and
approved
plans
for
the
new
development.
U
That's
why
you
know
we're
suggesting,
I
guess
you
know
a
foot
around
the
the
base.
U
All
of
our
changes
will
be
outside
of
that,
but
the
configuration
of
the
sidewalk
as
it
is.
U
You
know
adjusted
today
so
that
it
all
of
our
modifications
that
we
know
are
happening
are.
U
Hands
and
the
public
safety
concern
and
staff's
you
know
urgency
to
get
this
taken
care
of.
C
In
the
end,
the
hpc
has
to
decide
which
boundaries
they're
going
to
go
with.
C
Their
either
support
or
contest
it
in
different
ways
at
common
council
as
well,
it's
better.
C
I
Having
thought
this
through,
I
would
I
move.
We
send
it
to
the
council,
as
defined
in
the
packet.
A
Sorry
so
today
the
hpc
council
declares
that
the
property
located
at
700
was
seventh.
A
Is
of
an
historic
of
is
of
historic,
two
is
a
that
the
site
is
of
an
historic
event
and
three.
G
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
daniel,
so
number
one
will
be.
A
A
A
B
John
saunders,
yes,
I
listen
allison
chopra,
yes,
ma'am.
L
U
We
weren't
seeking
to
demolish.
We
came
simply
asking
what
everybody's
thoughts
were
on
that.
E
John
yes,
mr
I
just
want
to
express
thanks
to
the
commission,
especially
the
commissioner.
E
On
the
urgency
of
the
situation
here,
so
thanks
also
at
the
appropriate
time
daniel
would.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
So,
as
you
know,
this
is
sort
of
the
very
first
step
in
in
a
process.
G
G
Given
some
concerns
that,
if
it
is
approved
by
council,
there
could
be
a
path
forward
at.
G
E
Not
we,
may
I
don't
know
when
the
best
form
for
that
discussion
is
if
it's.
E
When
we
consider
a
coa
commissioner
sterbaum,
I
would
say
right
now
that.
E
E
E
E
Not
we,
we
may
very
well
run
into
that
by
the
time
that
work
gets
all
the
due
diligence
done
and.
E
And
the
work
could
actually
begin.
We
may
be
at
a
spot
where
restoration
work
would
have
already.