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K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Scott
Robinson
I'm,
the
director
of
planning
and
transportation.
I.
Don't
really
have
a
presentation
per
se
I'm
just
here
to
have
a
conversation
about
one
of
the
opportunities
or
Alternatives
being
considered
for
Old
State
Road
37
I
provided
a
staff
report
to
the
common
Council
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
that
information
is
available
on
the
city's
council's
website.
K
The
North
area
of
the
community
we've
planned
for
a
number
of
facilities
for
bike,
Lanes
Trails
sidewalk
connections
to
connect
our
Parks
schools
and
other
destinations
with
that
there
has
been
prioritization
of
some
of
these
projects.
There's
been
bonding,
go
bonds
and
other
projects
that
have
been
funded
through
city
council,
both
to
fund
improvements
for
Griffey,
Lake
Dam,
the
pier
other
side
paths
and
multimodal
transportation
facilities
to
help
connect
our
area
resources
such
as
Griffey
Lake,
lower
Cascades,
Upper,
Cascades
Park
in
our
schools.
K
The
one
particular
section
of
roadway
on
Lower
on
Old
State,
Road
37,
roughly
from
oh
about
the
IMI
entrance
on
the
south
end
going
north
about
a
half
a
mile
is
very
narrow
and
very
challenging.
So
you
have
steep
slopes
on
one
side
of
the
roadway.
You
have
a
creek
on
the
west
side
and
then
you
have
trees
and
some
historic
features
that
build
branches
and
shelters.
K
And
what
have
you
when
the
when
our
Department's
looking
at
implementing
facilities,
which
this
is
identified
as
a
multi-use
path,
we're
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
how
to
to
implement
that
facility
on
this
particular
portion
of
roadway?
It
presents
a
lot
of
challenges
with
us,
both
environmentally
historically
through
that
section
of
roadway,
because
it's
very
narrow,
so
there's
basically,
four
Alternatives
that
we're
looking
at
one
of
them
is
kind
of
the
do-nothing
approach.
We
could
do
nothing
here.
K
K
The
other
option
would
be
a
one-way
Road
alternative,
which
is
kind
of
confusing
to
think
about.
So
one
portion
of
the
roadway
would
be
allocated
to
Vehicles
motorized
vehicles
going
One
Direction,
we
don't
know
which
way
would
be
best
North
or
southbound,
and
the
other
portion
could
be
converted
to
a
multi-use
pathway.
K
K
The
third
alternative
would
be
to
build
side
path
or
that
you
see
like,
for
example,
on
the
current
roadway
to
the
north
from
Clubhouse
drive
all
the
way
over
to
the
Ferguson
dog
park
into
lower
Griffey
Dam,
where
you
have
the
roadway
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
grade
separation
in
a
10
foot,
wide
path,
and
then
the
last
option
would
be
to
build
a
multi-use
trail
which
is
completely
separated
from
the
road
kind
of
like
the
B-Line
Trail.
It's
a
wider
facility.
K
All
those
have
trade-offs
with
this
particular
section
of
roadway,
of
what
impacts
it
would
have
both
environmentally
to
the
park
to
the
trees
and
what
have
you
and
then
the
last
alternative
would
be
to
close
the
roadway
for
this
one
section
of
roadway
to
convert
that
roadway
into
a
multi-use
facility.
So
those
are
the
Alternatives
being
considered.
One
of
the
reasonings
behind
the
administration's
suggestion
to
close
the
roadway
is
all
of
these
Alternatives
would
cost
a
lot
of
money.
K
The
the
low-cost
option,
closing
this
portion
of
roadway
to
motorized
vehicle
traffic,
would
save
about
three
million
dollars
under
our
current
estimate.
So
that's
what's
being
considered,
there's
no
money
being
allocated
at
this
time
for
any
of
the
Alternatives
there's
been
some
past
studies.
Feasibilities
done
our
Department's
done
Outreach
with
prior
studies
implemented.
Some
of
the
facilities
that
have
gone
on
parks
department
has
done
improvements
most
recently
with
some
stream
side.
Stabilization
increased
some
accessibility
to
some
of
the
shelters
so
that
activity
continues.
K
City
council
has
also
bonded
for
design
for
a
side
path
along
Dunn
Street.
That
would
again
be
part
of
this
Network
that
I've
talked
about.
So
that's
essentially
where
we're
at
right
now
and
I
just
wanted
to
provide
an
opportunity
to
maybe
help
clarify
and
answer
some
questions
really
there.
If
there
isn't
any
decision
on
a
preferred
alternative,
there's
no
funding
allocated
this
time
for
any
of
the
Alternatives.
K
Really
the
administration
is
looking
for
guidance
on.
What's
the
preferred
alternative
and
again,
the
road
closed
option
is
some
people
may
be
familiar
with,
is
mostly
to
look
at
the
existing
constraints
that
this
section
of
roadway
presents
and
an
opportunity
to
help
reduce
the
cost
that
those
resources
could
be
used
elsewhere
in
the
community,
I
mean
three
million
dollars
is
a
pretty
significant
cost
so
happy
to
have
answer
any
questions
or
help
clarify
some
things,
but
I
understand
it's
confusing.
It's
a
complicated
project
or
area
that
we're
looking
at
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
L
You
know
we're
looking
at
this
through
the
lens
of
historic
preservation.
Obviously,
and
so
usually
we
don't
focus
on
budgetary
constraints.
We
don't
focus
on
a
lot
of
implementation
constraints,
except
in
that
they
diminish
the
historic
nature
of
whatever
resource
or
whatever
structure
or
whatever
landscape.
We're
looking
at
this
is
on
the
national
register
and
I
I.
K
Well,
that's
a
great
question.
I
would
say
currently,
no
because
there's
enough
environmental
and
other
constraints
that
if
the
city
were
to
use
any
federal
funding
that
really
limits
our
opportunity
to
leverage
that
resource.
That's
typically,
what
we
look
to
do
on
many
of
our
capital
projects
for
transportation
is
to
leverage
Federal
money.
So
the
mere
factor
that
it's
a
park
raises
a
red
flag
for
the
feds.
When
we
look
at
Federal
money,
National
register
is
another
one.
The
environmental
constraints
is
another
one.
K
K
Now
you
know
historic
preservation,
that's
your
recommendation
on
a
local
district
and
I
recognize
the
importance
that
this
park
has
both
historically
with
the
nature
of
the
park.
The
features
and
what
have
you
so
I-
don't
see
that
being
contradictory
to
what
your
desires
are
or
to
implement
any
improvements
in
the
park
again,
the
the
limitations
that
I
look
at
from
like
a
federal
funding
perspective
on
Transportation.
That
would
just
be
another
one
that
might
be
considered
at
a
lower
level
of
look
more
local
level
of
review
and
consideration.
K
I
I
guess
I
want
to
have
a
better
understanding
on
I.
Think
there's
been
some
confusion
about
access
and
accessibility,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
make
sure
is
very
clear
that
we
don't
confuse
the
two
on
what
access
and
accessibility
is.
So
whenever
we
do
Transportation
projects,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
compliant
with
the
American
Disabilities
Act
Ada,
that's
accessibility!
That's
not
access!
K
We're,
also
trying
to
provide
access
for
those
who
might
not
have
the
means
or
ability
to
have
access
to
a
single
occupancy
motor
motorized
vehicle
So.
Currently,
now
that
section
of
roadway
either
you
have
to
walk
or
ride
in
the
street,
which
is
okay
for
some
residents
of
our
community
or
to
drive
that
section
of
corridor
which,
again
not
all
members
of
our
community,
feel
comfortable
doing
that.
K
If
we
were
to
do
any
improvements
through
there,
whatever
facility
we
would
put
in
would
have
to
be
both
ADA
Compliant
and,
in
my
opinion,
would
increase
accessibility
for
those
who
don't
have
those
those
load
choices.
I've
heard
and
I
understand
that
some
have
concerned
about
not
having
the
ability
to
drive
through
that
area
because
of
their
convenience
to
access
the
park.
K
Guess
the
the
Ford
where
the
the
Sycamore
shelter
is
about
how
historically
people
could
drive
through
the
creek
to
access
the
shelter
on
that
side
again,
I,
don't
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
I
would
say
is
a
good
practice
for
the
environmental
health
of
the
stream
Bank.
Also,
the
Integrity
of
the
the
historic
line,
walls
and
retention
walls
that
are
along
the
stream
Bank.
What
happens
when
you
increase
water
flows
both
with
climate
change
and
the
type
of
improvements
that
have
been
putting
it
in
there
in
the
past,
you've
increased
streamflow.
K
It
actually
creates
velocity
and
more
friction
along
those
historic
walls.
That's
why
you
saw
some
of
the
improvements
that
were
done
there
or
look
a
little
bit
different
than
in
the
past.
In
2020,
we
had
a
storm
event
that
actually
washed
out
sections
of
the
roadway,
and
you
can
see
a
variety
of
mechanisms
that
were
used
to
help
Shore
up
that
string
bank.
K
One
of
the
things
that
really
needs
to
happen
before
anything
is
to
help
look
at
the
health
of
the
creek,
the
stream
bank
and
restore
that
streaming,
so
that
we
don't
have
any
further
erosion
that
could
damage
the
roadway
no
matter
what
facility
is
put
on
there.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
need
to
start
considering
and
looking
at
okay.
B
I
did
want
to
clarify
one
thing:
the
before
we
continue
the
national
register
nomination
is
currently
at
the
state
level.
It
hasn't
been
sent
to
the
National
Park
Service,
yet
for
review.
This
is
a
pretty
long
process.
It's
been
up
there
for
about
a
year
now,
so
just
letting
you
know
that
it's
still
not
in
the
National
register,
but
it
is
in
the
process
of
Scott.
D
D
The
reason
I'm
asking
is,
if
maybe
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
have
a
collaboration
between
a
historic
preservation
commission
with
your
department,
to
trying
to
find
a
balance
between
those
options
and
present
that
to
the
council
to
move
forward
with
this
in
case.
That's
what
we
end
up
to
just
to
try
to
find
the
best
option
or
the
options
yeah.
K
I'm
happy
to
share
that
study
with
you
again.
I,
don't
know
if
it
is
I'm
sure
it
identified
some
of
the
historic
structures
there
and
again
it
was,
would
be
avoiding
those
I'm
not
aware
of
how
they
would
impact
any
of
the
historic
structures
on
that
Corridor
per
se.
So
again,
I
think
just
trying
to
understand.
Maybe
you
call
can
help
educate
me
on
what
they
can
expectation
or
concerns
would
be
flipped
into
these
Alternatives
and
how
that
might
hinder
or
hurt
the
historic
aspect
that
you're
looking
out
to
achieve
Okay.
A
K
Question
thanks:
yes,
there's
been
opportunity
both
resident-led
one
of
the
residents
have
held
their
town
hall
meeting
here
recently
this
summer,
I
believe
going
back
to
2020
during
covid.
There
was
a
pilot
study
that
shut
down
the
roadway
for
a
temporary
amount
of
time.
There
were
two
surveys
conducted
at
that
time
and
there
was
opportunity
for
public
comment.
Then
there
was
some
opportunity,
both
at
Parks
Board
and
bicycle
pedestrian
safety
commission
for
additional
feedback
on
that.
So
there
has
been
some
dialogue.
M
M
To
the
park,
but
I
think
the
historic
perspective
has
been
left
down.
You
know,
I
think
the
first
part
of
this
park
project
has
been
exceptional
and
I
was
fortunate
to
be
part
of
that
planning
process
and
I
really
approve
of
what's
happened
so
far,
but
this
South
End
there
are
some
real
negative
impacts
that
can
happen
to
what
is
a
Historic
Park
and
that
could
be
how
the
roads
handled
there's
a
bridge
that
is
even
proposed.
M
There's
a
lot
of
Paving
that
could
happen
and
there
are
real
impacts
to
the
park
by
not
allowing
the
historic
highway
to
flow.
The
way
it
has
since
since
before
Bloomington
or
as
Bloomington
was
formed,
so
I
think
our
perspective
is
important
and
I
think
the
only
way
we'll
have
a
voice
is
if
we
locally
designate
the
park
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
talk,
be
at
the
table.
Have
our
perspective
and
of
course
there
are
all
these
other
realities.
M
We
don't
run
this
show,
but
we
certainly
can
assert
the
community's
interest
in
this
Historic
Park.
That
goes
beyond
there's
a
lot
of
I.
Don't
know
what
to
call
it,
but
technical
jargon
that
rationalizes
a
lot
of
things
besides
some
common
sense
solutions
that
could
be
sharing
the
road.
There
are
ways
to
do
this.
That
may
not
even
be
on
the
table,
but
I
think
we
need
to
speak
up
for
the
Integrity
of
that
historic
bloomington's.
M
First
Park,
the
Dixie
Highway
was
the
way
into
town,
and
you
know
it
was
the
old
road
before
there
were
cars,
because
that's
where
you
have
a
flat
space
along
the
creek
and
who
knows
it
was
a
trail
before
that.
So
people
love
this
park
and
our
responsibility
is
to
protect
that
historic
part.
In
my
opinion,
questions.
A
O
A
K
So
it's
not
really
clear
to
me
what
alternative,
if
any,
presents
a
challenge
or
concern
from
the
commission
so
I
think
that
would
be
helpful,
but
again
I'm
certainly
don't
believe
there
would
be
any
reason
we
wouldn't
work
with
this
commission
or
others.
Whatever
the
improvements
have
been
made,
I
mean,
as
Mr
sturban
said.
The
recent
project
that
was
just
implemented,
I
think,
is
a
great
example
of
what
could
be
done.
I,
don't
see
why
that
wouldn't
be
any
different
for
the
remainder
of
the
project.
It's
just
a
it's.
K
M
So
that's
and
I'm
glad
you
want
to
talk
to
the
commission
and
I
just
suggest
this
is
the
best
way
for
us
to
have
a
dialogue
that
is
two-sided
if
we
have
some
Authority
with
the
park
representing
the
communities.
Historic
interest
in
that
part,
we'll
have
a
serious
conversation
that
way
and
I
think
that's
the
best
way
for
this
to
function.
P
So
yeah,
so
just
just
to
talk
about
this
and
Gloria,
please
jump
in
at
any
point,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
what
we're
talking
about
here.
This
commission
doesn't
make
anything
historic
right.
You
don't
have
that
power.
You
can
say
to
the
city
council.
We
think
this
is
a
good
idea
and
then
this
then
the
council
would
actually
designate
the
local
historic
district.
I.
Think
everybody
understands
that,
but
just
in
case
there's
any
confused.
P
P
P
J
B
Yeah
and
then
any
any
big
changes
to
the
park,
especially
if
they
affect
the
landscape
according
to
we
would
use
the
guidelines,
but
even
before
any
guideline
is
written,
we
do
have
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
to
guide
us.
So
we
already
have
some
pre-made
guidelines
developed
by
the
federal
government
and
that
help
to
that
guide,
and
it
covers
both
buildings
and
Landscapes,
and
we
do
have
questions
about
the
purview
of
the
road
itself,
but
changes
around
the
road
would
fall
under
those
categories.
B
Change
major
changes
to
the
landscape,
even
certain
smaller
changes
to
the
landscape
would
go
through
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
process
mate.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
and
that's
where
the
HPC
would
have
jurisdiction
to
make
determinations.
Yes,
no,
let's
negotiate
with
you
or
let's,
like
change
oftentimes.
What-
and
this
is
kind
of
the
process
for
every
type
of
project.
Even
here
right
now
in
this
building,
which
is
areas
are
not
the
whole
building
is
not,
but
areas
are
owned
by
the
city.
B
The
city
does
bring
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
applications
to
Common
Council,
and
sometimes
the
city
also
brings
and
any
other
competitioner
and
constituents.
We
have
some
here
right
now
that
bring
the
ideas
to
the
come
to
the
HPC
before
applying
formally
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
So
that's
basically
the
additional
space
where
the
HPC
has
its
sort
of
you
know,
role
to
play
in
the
protection
of
historic
sites
and
places.
A
M
M
A
B
A
R
So
do
the
commissioner's
context.
More
glorious
position
is
we're
going
through
a
review
process
with
HUD
on
our
environmental
reviews,
and
so
that
requires
mandatory
staff
time
that
enough.
That
I'm
not
outweighing
the
importance
of
this,
but
just
to
let
you
know
what
we're
mandated
to
do
by
the
federal
government
on
environmental
reviews
and
glories
spending
a
lot
of
time
there,
which
is
why
I
bring
up
the
concern
about
staff
management.
So
just
for
full
disclosure
to
Commissioners
is.
J
K
That's
visiting
I'd
be
happy
to
provide
context
on
timing,
as
I
said,
there's
no
funding,
there's
no
allocated
funding
to
do
anything
on
this
section
of
roadway.
At
this
time,
Council
does
have
bonds
associated
with
another
project
and
not
in
this
area.
So
with
the
new
Administration,
they
would
need
to
propose
an
appropriation
or
something
to
even
get
into
the
design
piece
of
the
aspect.
K
K
The
very
first
step,
if
any,
would
be
allocation
of
money
to
do
a
more
in-depth
study
to
look
at
the
feasibility
in
the
Stream
Bank
stabilization
I.
Think
that's
the
number
one
concern
from
my
opinion
is
we
have
we've
got
demonstrated
need
of
the
erosion
that's
happening
there
and
and
to
make
sure
we
have
that
and
then
the
second
step
would
be
again
requesting
funding
for
a
consultant
to
come
in
to
do
the
engineering
and
that
involves
process
those
typically
right.
There
will
be
years.
A
Think
we
should
go
ahead
and
move
forward,
prepare
the
documents
and
then
we'll
discuss
it
and
see
if
you
want
to
take
it
further
than
that,
do
you
realize
sometimes
it
takes
years
to
get
funding?
Sometimes
it
just
merely
appears
and
things
get
to
move
forward.
So
I
think
that
you
know
we
should
consider
very
seriously
consider
moving
on
it,
the
that's
how
I
feel
about
it.
J
F
B
List
it
well
to
bring
the
nomination
to
bring
the
nominee
like
the
staff
report,
so
so
there's
there
are
two
parts
on
our
end.
One
is
to
present
the
staff
report
and
for
the
HPC
to
vote
according
to
that
staff
report.
If
they
are
going
to
move
it
to
Common
Council
and
then
the
second
part
is
sorry,
is
a
public.
B
I
B
P
J
J
I
think
that
is
my
personal
experience
and
I'm
not
making
things
up.
I
know
how
people
work
you.
We
all
know
who's
going
to
show
up
to
this
meeting
right.
Is
it
going
to
be
anyone?
That's
opposed
to
putting
it
into
a
historic
preservation.
Anyone
I
mean
maybe
like
one
person.
This
is
how
these
things
work.
It's
very
politically
driven,
Mr,
surma
who's.
The
main
component
of
this
knows
that
and
he's
using
his
political
power
to
be
on
this
commitment.
Do
not
cut
me
off.
That's
not
fair!
It's
a
pop!
It's
I'm
on
this!
J
Just
like
you
and
I
can
say
what
I
know
and
what
I
think
that
needs
to
be
said.
Please
don't
cut
me
off
I'm
very
much.
A
realist
and
I
know
what's
happening
here.
There's
gonna
be
a
bunch
of
people
from
that
email
list
or
his
list
serve
or
that
neighborhood
solicitor
or
whoever
it
is.
Who
wants
this
to
be
historic
preservations
for
me
and
that's
who
we're
going
to
hear
from
before
the
beginning
of
the
year?
J
I,
don't
think
that
that's
the
way
that
we
should
handle
ourselves
I
think
we
should
handle
ourselves
slowly
and
deliberately
as
long
as
we
have
time
we
push
through
the
Smoke
Stack
because
it
was
dangerous.
It
was
very
important
that
we
pushed
through
it
and
did
it
quickly,
but
this
has
time
this
is
I.
Don't
read
the
news
because
I
was
on
the
city,
council
and
I'm
sick
of
reading
it
and
I
don't
want
to
hear
national
news
right
now.
J
So
me
as
someone
on
this,
this
is
the
very
first
time
I've
heard
about
this
me.
Someone
on
this
commission
and
I
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
you
can
call
that
irresponsible.
You
can
call
it
whatever
you
will,
but
I
did.
I
didn't
even
know
that
this
was
happening
and
then
to
have
so
little
information
and
ask
staff
to
come
up
with
a
report
in
October
when
we
don't
have
all
of
the
information
that
we
might
want
or
might
need
to
be
prudently
voting
on
something
I
think
this
is
completely
rushed.
J
J
You
know,
maybe
I
want
to
be
able
to
talk
to
people
from
different
departments,
from
planning
and
from
the
parks.
I
know,
I'm,
taking
a
lot
of
time,
I'm,
just
urging
us
all
to
not
rush
into
doing
something
when
it's
like.
Probably
the
reason
Mr
Robinson
is
here
is
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
premature
activity
around
and
and
fear
around
this
project.
It's
all
very
premature
and
I
appreciate
you
being
here,
because
there
are
probably
people
on
this
commission
who
wanted
it
addressed.
J
M
I
A
N
A
A
R
S
Hello,
my
name's
Kevin
McWhorter
I
live
at
2201
East
Morris
Pike
I've
been
there
about
12
years
and
I
have
I'm
going
to
use
a
PowerPoint
presentation,
probably
about
10
minutes
and
to
go
through
my
points
of
concern
and
I
want
to
add
a
garage
and
I
sent
plans
into
the
city.
This
spring
and
I
found
out
the
city
said:
hey
wait
a
minute.
This
house
has
been
designated
on
the
Indiana
state
survey
for
historic
properties
as
an
outstanding
example,
and
so
they
contacted
Gloria.
S
And
then
she
contacted
me
and
said
you
know,
wait
a
minute.
We
got
to
go
through
a
certain
process
and
so
on
so
I'm
hoping
to
go
through
a
first
step
here.
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
the
steps
are
but
hoping
to
go
through
a
first
step
and
get
some
discussion,
possibly
of
what
I'd
like
to
do.
It's
appropriateness
for
this
house
and
maybe
move
forward
from
that.
S
So
basically
what
I
the
house
was
built
in
1956,
the
first
level
I've
got
a
picture
of
the
original
house.
It
was
just
the
first
layer,
an
addition
was
added
in
1968
and
that's
the
second
level
and
there's
a
family
room
in
back,
and
so
as
far
as
I
I
bought
this
house
and
you'll
see
a
picture
of
it
when
I
bought.
It
I've
put
a
lot
of
sort
of
restoration
into
it,
I'd
kind
of
like
you
to
understand,
where
I'm
coming
from
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
with
this
property.
S
So
there's
a
brand
new
Duralast
roof
Put
On
by
Building
Associates
about
four
years
ago,
60
millimeters.
So
it's
a
thicker
commercial
grade,
rubber
roof
on
that
it
has
five
new
skylights
I
had
Custom
Stainless
Steel
chimney.
Caps
Put
on
We
were
having
some
crumbling
in
the
concrete
blocks,
so
it's
been
re-chinked
and
all
fixed
and
watertight.
With
new
stainless
steel
chimney
caps
refurbished
all
the
Anderson
Windows
and
all
the
bathrooms
have
been
remodeled
made
storm
windows.
S
If
you
see
the
silver
outline
on
each
of
the
windows,
that's
an
inserted
storm
window,
I
had
half
of
those
when
I
bought
the
house.
So
I
had
a
window
company
here
in
town,
make
exact
copies
of
the
same
frames,
so
they
fit
in
exactly
in
all
the
original
windows.
So
these
windows
down
here
were
made
were
put
in
a
1956
there.
Anderson
these
were
put
in
1968
8.
The
1956
ones
actually
work
better.
S
All
about
there's
two
bathrooms,
like
maybe
two
and
a
half
bathrooms
they've
been
remodeled.
The
entire
first
floor
was
linoleum
and
carpet
pulled
all
that
up,
had
it
ground
and
Polished.
So
it's
all
concrete
floor.
I
know
you
may
not
be
as
concerned
about
interior
stuff
and
more
exterior
I
think
I'm,
just
going
through
what
I've
done
and
where
I'm.
Coming
from
with
my
request,
the
entire
house
was
scraped
and
cocked
and
painted
storm
custom
storm
window
inserts
for
both
the
exterior
doors
front
and
back
I
found
out.
S
So
that
was
something
that
I
was
glad
that
turned
out
that
way,
keeping
the
kitchen
100
original
new
glass
wall
in
the
back
there's
a
living
room
added
in
the
back
in
1968
it
was
a
slider
three
aluminum
sliders.
All
three
of
those
were
filmed
up.
All
three
of
them
would
Frost
in
the
winter
and
so
I
had
those
replaced
with
brand
new,
fixed
pane,
two
five
foot
by
six
foot,
fixed
paint
windows
and
a
new
slider.
S
The
one
of
the
walls
was
concrete.
I
had
that
furred
up
and
put
rigid
foam
on
the
wall.
The
ceiling
is
two
by
six
tongue
and
groove
decking
on
the
original
flat
roof
and
on
the
sloped
roof
for
the
family
room
in
the
back
and
I
had
that
we
furred
up
pulled
off
the
old
shingles
furred
that
up
put
a
inch
and
a
half
or
three
inch,
rigid
foam,
OSB,
and
then
new
asphalt
shingles
on
that.
S
So
now
that
room
which
had
no
Insulation
at
all
when
I
bought
it
now,
almost
completely
insulated
I
used
to
call
it
the
cold
room,
and
now
it's
a
very
comfortable
room
and
okay.
So
that's
that's
that
do
I
have
do
I
pack,
oh
here
we
go
so
when
I
bought
the
house
about
two
or
three
months
after
that,
the
granddaughter
who
still
lives
in
town
of
the
IU
professors
that
built
this
in
1956
called
me
and
said:
hey
my
grandmother
has
a
120
or
has
pictures
of
the
house
being
built.
S
Would
you
like
them?
She
lives
out
in
Arizona
and
I
said
absolutely
so.
She
sent
me
a
box
of
120
black
and
white
photos
from
grade
preparation
to
the
final
house
here,
so
all
black
and
white.
So
it's
a
framing
concrete
block,
ductwork
and
everything.
So
it's
really
a
really
nice
historic
history.
Another
thing
that
I
found
out
this
is
what
the
house
looked
like
when
I
bought
it.
Another
thing
I
found
out
is
I.
S
Had
the
original
blueprints
to
the
to
the
Edition
from
68,
you
know
rolled
up
in
the
closet
type
thing
you
find
when
you
buy
a
house,
sometimes
the
architect
on
it
was
Gladys.
Miller
I
looked
her
up
on
Google.
She
was
a
number.
The
third
registered
woman
architect
in
the
state
of
Indiana
I
contacted
the
Ball
State
architectural
archive
department.
They
had
digital
copies
of
the
original
two
Blueprints
and
the
addition
blueprints
so
I
bought
those
so
I
have
digital
copies
of
all
the
blueprints
of
the
original
and
and
the
Edition
done
in
68.
S
So
the
scope
of
the
project,
I'm
asking
and
I've
got
plans
that
I'll
show
you
real,
quick
I,
want
to
add
a
garage
out
in
front
of
the
carport
and
to
the
side,
with
sort
of
a
wood
shop.
Art
Studio
on
the
on
the
side,
going
back
to
the
chimney
and
you'll
see
blueprints
on
that
here
in
just
a
second
so
and
the
the
main
reasons
that
I
want
to
do.
This
is
is
for
auto
storage
and
security.
S
My
I've
had
my
cars
broken
into
three
times:
Morse
Pike's
a
pretty
busy
street,
it's
right
next
to
the
Covenant
or
Cemetery.
If
you're
familiar
with
that,
High
Street
and
Morse
Pike
intersection,
so
I'm
right
past
the
cemetery
towards
the
mall
on
Morse
Pike,
and
it
sits
back
pretty
far.
Sometimes
people
don't
even
know
that
it's
there,
but,
but
so
I've
had
some
security.
With
my
Autos
I
had
tool.
S
Storage
is
now
in
one
of
my
bedrooms:
Lawn
Equipment,
storage,
bicycle
storage
is
in
my
entryway
I,
have
golf
clubs
and
pickleball
equipment
in
my
living
room.
There's
no
storage
in
this
house,
so
a
garage
would
add
a
great
amount
of
some
good
storage
I'm.
A
woodworker
I
would
love
to
have
a
small
wood
shop
and
everything
I
have
to
do
inside.
S
If
I
want
to
sand
or
cut
wood,
I
have
to
go
outside
and
do
my
project
so
I'd
like
just
a
small
Art
Studio,
the
art
studio
could
be
converted
to
a
future
either
a
in-law
suite
or
a
additional
bedroom
living
space
or
whatever.
If
somebody
bought
the
house
later
on,
didn't
want
a
art,
studio
or
a
wood
shop.
S
So
this
up
here
is
the
original
house,
where
you
saw
the
carport
and
then
this
is
what
I'm
asking
for
input
on
is
the
is
a
two-car
garage
here,
two
a
two-door
garage
and
then
the
workshop
down
towards
the
chimney
back
there.
The
carport
would
be
converted
to
be
able
to
walk
through
I'd,
have
a
beam
or
a
steel
beam
or
a
glue.
S
S
This
is
facing
Morse
Pike,
which
is
facing
south,
so
you're,
looking
North
from
Morris
Pike
towards
the
front,
so
the
front
of
the
house
is
up
here.
Okay,
carport
was
on
the
right,
you'll
see
more
as
we
as
as
we
go
here.
Okay,
so
the
garage
doors
are
front.
Loading
facing
Morse
pipe,
the
front
of
the
garage
would
be
150
feet
from
Morris
Pike.
S
So
here's
here
is
a
side
of
just
the
front,
and
so
here's
the
garage
and
the
wood
shop
with
the
original
House,
the
red
line,
designates
where
the
the
garage
and
the
wood
shop
would
connect
to
the
existing
house
and
again
150
feet
from
Morse
Pike
original
gravel
driveway
will
probably
keep
that
might
look
into
asphalt,
possibly
if
that's
an
option.
One.
M
S
About
200
feet,
it's
a
beautiful,
wooded
backyard:
okay,
okay,
beautiful
wooden
back
here
and
that's
part
of
my
concern-
is
I,
did
look
at
the
option
and
talked
with
Gabriel
and
planning
about
us
detached
options
for
a
garage
and
I
sat
down
with
him
last
month,
and
the
first
thing
he
said
is
I.
I
just
did
a
quick
little
preliminary
review
with
my
department.
We
will
not
give
you
a
variance
for
any
detached
structure
in
front
of
the
house.
S
I
said:
okay,
I,
just
you're
trying
to
see
what
all
my
options
were
and
in
the
back
of
the
house,
I've
got
it's
all.
It's
an
all
glass
window,
All
Glass,
Wall
right
here
in
the
living
room.
It's
a
beautiful
wooded
view.
Lot!
I!
Don't
want
to
build
a
big
square
box
taking
up
the
wooded
lot
if
I,
if
that
was
I,
didn't
have
to.
S
Please
ask
any
questions
as
I
go
here
is
a
front
elevation
with
the
proposed
garage
change
of
what
it
would
add
to
the
structure,
so
I've
tried
I've
done
AutoCAD
for
35
years,
so
these
are
all
my
own
drawings
and
the
the
two
garage
doors
are.
They
haven't
been
decided
yet,
but
I'm
leaning
towards
the
right
to
match
kind
of
the
the
style
of
the
original
house
and
the
impact
of
what
I'm
covering
up
to
the
original
house
is
very
little.
S
Mindset
that
you
could
help
me
with
one
of
the
questions
was:
could
this
garage
be
taken
away
in
several
years?
From
now
in
the
original
house,
we
brought
back
to
the
1968
version,
and
this
is
the
only
connection
on
the
side
of
the
house
where
the
garage
is
going
to
touch
the
house.
So
there's
there's
no
demo,
it's
just
going
to
attach
to
the
house
with
a
slab
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
walk
through
to
the
carport.
S
We
had
an
official
sorry
survey
done
a
couple
years
ago
with
we
had
some
drainage
considerations
and
so
both
by
property
and
my
neighbor
had
an
official
site
plan
den,
and
this
is
the
outline
of
that
garage
inside
and
carport
on
this
official
site
plan
and
there's
there's
the
backyard.
So
you
see
the
backyard.
S
I
made
a
study
model
just
for
myself
very
basic
study
model
to
try
and
see
what
it
would
look
like
and
what
the
impact
would
be.
So
I
think
there's
a
couple
pictures
on
that
and
I
like
to
do
woodworking,
so
it
was
just
sort
of
a
fun
little
thing.
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time
here,
but
then
again
and
that's
again
from
a
different,
a
different
front
view
so
and
I
I
tried
to
make
it
as
appropriate
and
as
seamless.
S
My
first
feeling
was
to
make
it
look
like
it's
always
been
there,
but
I
also
understand
that
some
new
additions
to
historic
houses-
you
want
to
add
a
little
bit
of
maybe
a
contemporary
component
or
something
to
sort
of
designate
it
from
the
original
house,
and
so
I
haven't
really
worked
through
all
you
know
what
what
I
should
do
on
that
might
just
be.
You
know,
citing
materials
and
then
and
the
new
contemporary
garage
would
add
to
that.
A
L
So
the
scale
of
this
thing
and
the
language
of
this
thing
works
fairly
well
with
the
house,
so
I
appreciate
what
you've
done.
I
have
a
couple
questions
about
materials
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
the
the
language
that
we
like
to
use
is
a
compatible
with
the
existing
house
but
differentiated
from
the
existing
house.
So.
L
For
the
for
the
whole
process,
so
yeah
I
got
some
nice
Echoes
of
the
language
of
the
existing
house
like
iecy.
You
want
to
do
that
door
on
the
left
or
right
other
other
left,
but
there
are
some
collisions
that
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
like
what
happens
when
that,
when
you
had
the
model
it
looked
like
the
room,
the
roof
was
at
the
same
exact
highest
hiding
out,
so
it.
I
S
And
I
was
going
to
do
a
nine
foot
wall,
one
nine
foot,
walls
on
the
addition,
and
so
the
original
Edition
is
probably
I'm
assuming
eight
feet,
but
it
is.
It
will
go
up
above
into
the
railing,
so
to
speak
of
that,
it's
not
completely
flush
with
the
first
level
and
one
of
the
problems
was
initially
I
wanted
to
put
a
garage
door
on
the
carport.
Just
to
have
a
you
know
a
closed
up
garage.
It's
not
high
enough.
L
L
S
Block
well
and
that
that's
a
that's
a
design,
consideration
of
versus
cost.
All
of
the
vertical
columns
you
see
coming
out
on
the
house
are
a
concrete
block,
yeah
and
so
I
could
I
could
continue
that
out
and
have
it
look
you
know
come
out
with
concrete
block,
so
you
know
there's
a
pretty
long
wall
on
that
right
side,
going
back,
I,
don't
know
the
cost
difference
between
a
wood
friend
wall
and
concrete
block,
so
so
that
that
that's
one
of
the
design
considerations.
L
What
we
like
to
do
is,
like
you,
have
decided
on
all
the
things
before
you
show.
I
mean
I,
really
appreciate
this
conversation.
In
that
you
know,
you've
got
very
clear
drawings.
You
tell
us
like
these
aren't
decided
yet
so
that,
but
when
you
come
back
for
a
COA,
it's
it's
much
preferable
to
say,
I'm
doing
this
door,
I
suppose
this.
L
J
J
L
S
L
I
A
L
H
S
So
I
would
continue
not
with
redwood,
but
I
would
continue
with
you
know,
I
don't
know
again,
I've
got
two
garage
or
two
garage
doors,
but
you
know
the
siding
and
again
looking
at
concrete
block
versus
wood
framed
and
Cedar,
you
know
siding,
what's
appropriate,
not
going
to
use
vinyl
I,
don't
want
to
use,
vinyl
doesn't
fit
with
the
scope
of
the
house.
I.
L
H
L
D
L
L
S
S
L
D
D
Yeah
so
I
mean
it's
a
beautiful,
elegant
house
and
there
was
some
he
feels
and
it
looks
that
way,
because
it's
very
simple,
yes,
so
I'm
just
gonna
note,
Sam
did
a
good
job,
noting
the
use
of
materials
introducing
the
materials.
Probably
is
not
a
good
idea.
You
have
a
good
samples
to
work
with,
and
one
of
them
would
be
along
the
east
side
as
possibly
trying
to
use
this
concrete
block
wall.
Perhaps
I
know
it
costs
much
more,
but
that's
a
possibility.
D
D
S
It's
going
to
use
the
same
Duralast
Commercial
Roofing
at
billing,
Associates
put
it
on,
we
talked
with
K
and
K
Industries
for
truss,
and
my
options
are
to
build
and
I
think
it's
a
quarter.
Inch
foot
rise
for
you
know
minimum
for
a
flat
roof,
and
so
they
could
build
custom
trust
for
that
to
span
or
they
could
they
have.
They
have
generic
ones
already
made,
and
then
we
could
frame
the
walls
to
make
the
difference
in
the.
D
P
And
Vanessa
I
can
jump
in
real,
quick,
I'm,
Michael
Rooker
I'm,
the
City
attorney.
There's
no
planner
here,
as
there
usually
is
because
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
is
happening
at
the
meeting
over
and
so
they've
monopolized.
All
the
planners.
No
that's
fun,
but
there
are
you
know
there
are
a
couple
of
issues.
Planning's
looking
at
one
of
them
was
with
the
front
step
back
on
this
proposed
design
with
the
garage
which
comes
forward
from.
D
S
D
That
you
know,
but
you
could
make-
and
this
is
my
opinion-
okay,
but
you
could
make
the
case
just
creating
a
sense
of
Courtyard
once
you
put
that
element
along
your
East
property
line,
that
gives
you
some
sense
of
protection
from
the
East
and
create
this
sort
of
a
you
know,
definition
of
your
backyard
in
a
different
way.
Now
I
know
you
know
we
get
used
to
the
same
thing
every
day,
but
that's
another
way
to
see
it.
You
know
and.
S
D
M
Chris
yeah
I
think
from
my
perspective
and
preservation
minded
comment
would
be.
The
fundamental
mistake,
in
my
opinion,
is
putting
the
garage
in
front
of
this
house.
You
know
you
have
a
lot
of
space
and
I
just
came
from
a
very
complex
area
on
Smith
Street,
where
someone
had
put
an
Adu.
You
know
a
little
bit
separated
from
their
own
house.
There
was
another
structure
on
the
property.
M
You
have
an
opportunity
to
make
a
little
complex
and
you
wouldn't
have
any
historic
issues
if
you
separated
into
the
structure-
and
it
could
be
a
wonderful
combination
of
a
garage,
Workshop,
future
Adu
and
create
your
own
beautiful
compliment
to
this
house
and
you,
the
the
carport,
is
part
of
the
feature
of
that
era.
You
understand
that,
and
you
know
one
of
the
features
of
some
of
the
suburban
houses
that
are
objectionable,
preservationists
and
even
just
designers
is
the
front
loaded
garage.
You
know.
M
Basically,
my
house
is
now
my
garage,
you
know,
so
that's
just
focal
point
almost
so
preservationists
would
just
go.
We
love
what
you're
doing
if
you're,
leaving
the
facade
alone
and
building
something
beautiful
in
the
backyard.
You
just
have
no
issues
whatsoever.
Okay
and
I.
Think
it's
a
huge
opportunity
to
both
keep
that
Gem
of
a
house
and
build
an
addition.
That's
separated
from
it.
Okay,
anyway,
that's
just
my
opinion.
A
N
C
S
I'm
gonna
do
that.
But
do
you
want
to
say
this?
Yeah
I've
got
a
glass
wall
that
looks
out
into
a
forest
and
it
will
dramatically
change
the
view
and
I
know
that
one
of
the
variances
on
the
planning
was
that
if
a
certain
situation
doesn't
work
out
or
this
there's
no
other
clear
way,
if
I'm
rewarding
this
there's
no
there's
like
four
different
criteria
or
something
for
a
variance
and
if
one,
if
all
the
other
ways,
don't
really
work
well,
then
you
can
get
a
variance,
possibly
I,
don't
know
the
details.
P
S
A
L
I
was
I,
was
thinking
about
what
Chris
said
and
normally
I
would
totally
agree,
but
I
think
this
house
was
built
in
the
era
of
the
automobile
and
part
of
the
thinking
of
the
architect
had
to
do
with
how
those
back
windows
frame
the
landscape.
So
you
have
this
front
loaded
carport,
which
is
a
gorgeous
little
thing
and
I.
I
M
M
D
S
O
I
guess
I
came
here
as
a
friend
of
Kevin's,
we've
known
each
other
a
long
time
and
I've
had
to
do
this
sort
of
thing
a
couple
of
times
in
my
career
he
wants.
He
wants
to
fix
up
his
house
and
and
he's
now
he's
caught
between
two
departments.
What
is
the
process
for
him
to
get
in
a
building
permit
in
terms
of
what?
What
are
you
guys
are
in
this
in
this
deal?
How
to
eat?
H
B
B
B
Just
saying
these
are
the
options
yeah
I'm,
not
saying
you
have
to
choose
the
options
and
then,
if
you're,
not
touching
the
historic
building,
this
might
be
the
end
of
the
conversation
with
the
historic
preservation
Commission
at
least
I
can
only
speak
to
Historic
preservation.
Commission
I
cannot
speak
for
planning.
If
you
bring
this
the
a
proposal
like
this.
I
B
What
you
would
be
eliminating
would
be
tiny.
However,
it
would
still
constitute
an
elimination
of
historic
material
on
an
outstanding
building.
This
is
the
highest
rating
you
can
give
at
any
historic
building
in
all
of
the
United
States.
So
the
the
survey
system
is
national.
Outstanding
buildings
can
be
found
in
all
50
states,
plus
the
territory
so,
and
they
are
the
rarest
type.
So
you
would
be
returning
to
the
historic
preservation
commission,
and
then
this
is
where
you
would.
B
Your
relationship
with
us
would
be
a
little
longer
wherein
the
HPC
would
have
to
make
a
determination
whether
they
feel
confident
enough
that
your
changes
would
not
constitute
a
damage
that
would
so
that
your
danger
changes
will
not
imperil
this
outstanding
rating,
and
so
they
have
to
make
the
determination
of
whether
to
send
it
to
Common
Council
or
to
allow
you
or
to
release
the
demolition
delay
and
allow
you
to
do
your
project
and
I.
Think
this
is
the
reason
why
and
I
can't
speak
to
planning
I,
don't
know
how
how
a
variance
would
go.
B
That's
a
whole
other
series
of
Hoops
that
that's
outside
of
this
conversation,
but
at
least
in
this
room
that
this
is
kind
of
the
decisions
that
you're
being
faced.
It's
good
that
you
are
here
right
now
and
establishing
a
relationship
with
the
historic
preservation
Commission,
because
if
you
do
move
forward
with
a
project
like
this
one
or
something
edited
like
this
one,
it's
very
possible
that
this
project
will
go
to
Common
Council
for
a
designation
or
perhaps
not.
Perhaps
it
will
be
released,
but
you
would
still
have
to
like.
B
It
would
still
be
coming
back
to
this
room,
and
so
this
is
why
it's
so
important
that
this
is
happening
now,
because
this
way
the
historic
preservation
commission
is
already
acquainted
with
a
project
with
the
building
with
the
owner
and
and
establishing
that
trust
of
like
okay
and
and
right
now
is
staff
can
only
say
this.
It
is
a
toss-up.
I
cannot
speak
for
the
all
the
commission
most
of
the
Commissioners.
Actually,
we
have
a
really
good
forum
tonight.
Most
of
the
commission.
I
E
B
The
members
who
are
and
what
then
later
be
able
to
speak
their
their
part
as
well.
If
that
were
to
happen.
So
that's
why
I'm
bringing
up
these
different
options
and
then,
if
it
does
come
to
demolition
delay,
then
there's
two
paths
so
there's
there's
the
first
fork
in
the
road
is
what
Kevin?
What
are
you
going
to
do
now?
Are
you
going
to
do
it
towards
the
front
or
towards
the
back?
That's
the
first
four.
B
The
second
Fork
is:
if
you
do
it
towards
the
front,
you
will
inevitably
invoke
a
demolition
delay
process
and
then
there's
another
fork
and
the
HPC
this
member.
That's
why
this
is
so
important
will
determine
whether
that
will
get
released
and
because
you
have
been
such
a
good
custodian
will
be
allowed
to
make
your
changes
or
if
they
still
consider
you
an
amazing
custodian,
but
want
to
include
this
in
the
local
registry
of
historic
places,
and
what
that
means
is
that
it
will
go
to
Common
Council,
there's
going
to
be
a
whole
process.
B
We
were
talking
about
that
process
with
the
Cascades.
There
will
be
a
report
and
there
will
be
a
public
hearing.
Hearing
here,
which
would
probably
be
just
one
of
these
meetings
and
I,
would
go
to
Common
Council,
and
then
you
would
bring
the
project
back
a
third
time
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
while
it
is
in
common
Council.
So
it
doesn't
have
to
wait
for
common
Council
takes
like
two
months,
the
back
and
forth,
because
there
has
to
be
two
readings,
I
believe
and
a
final
determination
by
Common
Council.
B
C
B
It
may
end
up
looking
very
similar
to
this
in
the
end
or
a
little
different,
but
it
will
have
gone
through
a
similar
like
additional
revisions.
Kind
of
like
exactly
this
conversation
were
happening
right
now.
So
this
is
why
it's
so
important
this.
It
could
be
a
relationship
where
you
present
to
us-
and
we
might
not
see
you
again,
except
for
maybe
the
house
tour,
where
you
invite
us
to.
I
S
O
I
S
C
M
Perfect
could
I
add
one
thing
you
should
ask
for
what
you
want
and
try
to
get
it.
You
clearly
want
what's
out
front
right,
you
know
this
commission
could
approve
that
and
and
not
locally
designate
your
house.
You
know
if
you,
if
you
think
that
you
want
to
put
it
in
the
backyard
for
after
you've
rethought
and
had
different
visions
of
it.
That
way,
you
could,
you
would
have
less
trouble,
but
I
would
I
would
suggest
you
ask
for
what
you
want
show
them.
I
A
C
N
G
M
B
B
B
For
710
was
Third
Street,
the
owners
wanted
Window
and
Door
replacements
for
their
property.
I
was
just
looking
back
at
the
guidelines
for
this
type
of
case,
where
the
changes
to
publicly
facet
of
the
structure
do
require
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
However,
the
neighborhood
construction
subcommittee
determined
that
it
would
be
done
by
the
staff.
B
The
main
concern
is
to
retain
the
proportions
of
all
original
openings
replacement
of
Windows
and
Doors
determined
to
be
original
to
duplicate
the
original
in
size
and
scale
in
ways
that
do
not
visually
impact,
the
public
way
facade
of
the
house
and
continue
to
reflect
the
period
of
the
house.
So
in
this
case
the
staff
determined
that
the
proposed
doors
and
windows
do
duplicate
the
size
and
scale
in
the
way
that
reflects
the
period
of
the
house.
B
B
So,
although
this
is
not
a
historic
material
commonly
used
in
this
neighborhood,
it
is
not
greatly
detect
from
the
neighboring
buildings
or
the
historic
house,
and
here
you
can
see
the
current
entrance
to
the
garage
and
the
bottom
is
the
manufacturer's
photo
for
the
proposed
concrete
finish,
and
here
is
a
plan
of
where
it
would
be
located.
So
this
was
the
second
certificate
of
appropriateness.
B
A
A
E
B
No
you're
good,
thank
you
for
being
here
so
for
23-64
at
122,
West
6th
Street
in
the
courthouse,
Square
historic
district.
The
petitioner
is
requesting
for
new
signage
and
the
staff
comments
that,
although
vinyl
is
not
one
of
the
recommended
materials
aluminum
is
so.
This
is
the
combination
of
aluminum
and
vinyl.
The
size
scale
and
placement
of
the
sign
does
comply
with
the
historic
district
guidelines.
Staff
recommends
approval
of
COA
23-64
and
just
for
context.
A
lot
of
the.
B
E
E
E
J
E
J
A
A
I
I
C
A
B
Okay,
so
cra
23-65,
if
the
petitioners
are
requesting
a
wind,
full
window
replacement
for
500,
515,
South,
Hawthorne
Drive,
so
this
house
and
there's
actually
even
a
newspaper
article
that
they
attached
had
all
of
its
windows,
replaced
well,
not
all,
except
for
two
of
its
windows
replaced
in
2001..
So
these
are
Replacements
of
Replacements.
B
The
the
two
originals
are
located
on
the
back
of
the
house
towards
the
alleyway,
one
of
them
towards
the
alleyway
and
the
other
one
is
hidden
between
two
up
and
I.
Think
Tucker
can
actually
clarify
a
little
bit
the
location,
but
one
of
them
is
visible
from
the
alley.
The
other
one
is
really
not
so.
Staff
does
with
all
of
this
taken
into
consideration
and
those
two
windows
are
on
the
garage.
So
taking
all
of
this
into
consideration,
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
COA
23-65.
B
I
do
believe
that
the
and
I
think
Tucker
and
maybe
Ernesto,
who
works.
Okay,
I'm
at
Lauren
Wood
might
be
able
to
clarify
contact
with
the
neighbors,
the
neighborhood
subcommittee.
The
paperwork
says
that
they
did
reach
out
and
have
communication
and
I
just
didn't
have
time
to
check.
All
of
my
really
old
emails,
but
I
didn't
have
any
new
contact
or
communication
from
them,
so
I
just
put
pending,
but
then
I
thought.
B
Maybe
there
was
a
really
old
email
that
I
just
missed
so
yeah,
so
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
co8
23-60
five
and
here
are
some
more
information
about
the
building.
So
if
you
look
at
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
that's
the
front
of
the
house
I.
Believe
yes
and
then
the
right
side
is
the
back
towards
the
alleyway
and
the
two
original
windows.
I.
Think
one
is
here.
I
D
B
H
L
Questions
a
couple
questions.
The
first
question
for
the
position,
petitioner
is:
are
you
matching
all
of
the
grid
patterns
that
are
currently
on
the
house
like
you're
doing
what
are
the
eight
over
Eights
or
whatever
they
are
that
currently
exist
on
the
house?
Are
you
matching
those
Mountain
patterns?
M
B
D
B
L
Q
About
that
I
know
what
happened
well
before
we
get
into
questions
I
kind
of
wanted
to
address
the
garage,
the
two
windows
in
the
garage,
because
if
my
application,
I
I'm
accidentally
misspoke
on
which
one
is
visible,
if
you
could
go
to
that
slide,
18
that
looks
like
and
then,
if
that's
okay,
then
I'll
answer
the
questions.
Yes,
give
me.
Q
Q
See
that
window
from
the
alley,
because
it's
up
on
like
a
big
butt,
routine
wall
like
black
wall,
they
have
around
the
back
of
their
house,
so
that
window
is
actually
that
visible
from
the
street,
but
the
window
where
I
wrote
not
visible
from
the
street.
That
is
visible
if
you're
kind
of
in
between
the
two
garage
structures,
so
one
is
visible,
I
mean
you
gotta
have
to
look
for
it
because
buildings,
but
it
is
visible,
but
both
of
those
are
painted
straps.
I
I
Q
Shutter
question
yeah
so
for
the
shutters
we're
going
to
be
using
blood,
shredders,
that's
material
and
then
we're
going
to
match.
Based
on
this,
this
company,
the
Timber
Lane,
we're
gonna,
use
the
lumber
shredders
that
have
the
Luger
pattern.
That's
like
the
most
similar
to
the
Christmas
sweaters
and
then
we're
gonna
match
the
hardware
as
well.
L
A
B
A
H
A
Q
A
A
E
G
A
B
F
New
documentary
and
it
will
be
at
Monroe,
County,
Public
Library
at
3
P.M,
and
it's
about
First,
Baptist,
colored,
church
and
the
restoration
of
that
church.
That
I
was
involved
in
since
2016.,
so
I
videotaped
every
step
of
the
way
and
interview
people
and
we'll
talk
about
the
community.
The
black
community
that
made
that
area
wealthy
and
built
this
church,
as
well
as
the
restoration.
So.
A
A
A
Well,
let's
start
with
Valentine,
because
I
know
that
there's
activity
that
houses
back
for
sale
again
and
because
I've
had
as
everybody
does
have
a
Realtors,
so
the
agent
who's
writing
the
offer
on
and
contacted
me
and
I've
talked
to
Gloria.
So
if
you
could
bring
us
up
to
date
where
we
are
with
that
I.
P
P
L
B
B
So
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
given
for
two
years
contingent
on
the
columns
being
repaired
and
the
two
years
passed
and
they
were
not
repaired.
So,
yes,
not
so
it's
been
on
my
to-do
list
for
a
long
time.
I've
got
the
letter
drafted.
I've
got
the
I'm
have
tomorrow
morning,
I'm
going
to
go,
take
photographs
of
that
and
five
other
buildings
and
yeah
meet
with
legal
and
with
the
rest
of
hand,
staff
and
get
them
all
out.
L
I'm,
just
incredibly
distressed
that
it's
been
years
since
the
original
material
was
removed,
it's
come
to
a
new
owner
and
we
don't
have
anything
in
place.
Yet
I
would
like
to
see
a
lot
of
motion
very
quickly.
I
would
like
to
see
the
violations
the
notice
violations
delivered
as
soon
as
possible.
I
would
like
also
to
see
a
schedule
of
fines,
amounts
and
dates,
because
every
day,
every
season
that
this
stuff
is
exposed,
this
brick
was
never
meant
to
be
open
to
Air
and
that's
an
outstanding
house.
L
A
Thank
you
Sam,
so
yeah
I
think
something
really
I
have
to
agree
with
Sam
something's
going
to
have
to
happen
very
quickly,
because
I
think
that
the
people
who
are
interested
in
this
house
will
probably
end
up
getting
it
and
I
think
the
situation
should
be
remedied
before
these
people
get
to
that
point,
or
at
least
something
very
clear
sent
forward.
Yes,
Sam
how's.