City of Bloomington, Indiana Public Safety Local Income Tax Committee, 4 Jun 2020

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All right: well, I guess we can go ahead and call to.

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Order this meeting of the ps lit committee for monroe county.

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Indiana and how should we do the roll call just.

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Each member say who they are and what their.

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Affiliation is yes, mr lucas is shaking his head. So let's go with that.

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My name is isabelle piedmont, smith, I'm with the bloomington city council,.

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And next let's go to lois, I'm lois purcell.

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Clerk treasurer for the town of steinsville.

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Okay, cheryl cheryl munson for monroe county council.

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Jeff kim jeff jeff mckim also monroe county council.

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Scott scott alden phillipsville town council.

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Ron ron smith, uh bloomington city council, jan.

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Jim sims bloomington city council at large member.

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And sue you're, muted.

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Steve scamilary bloomington city council- thank you all for being here and also to.

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The staff who are president uh first order of business is election.

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Of a chair for 2020, and I would like to nominate.

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Cheryl munson second.

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All right are there any other nominees, I'm ready for competition.

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All right question: all those in favor um say I.

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Any opposed, congratulations, cheryl! Thank you again. This is this is the time.

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For congratulations. I appreciate it. I hand the virtual gavel.

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To you, thank you, I've got it. It's called the.

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Mouse and uh let's review um our agenda for.

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I think the first thing is we're checking on contact information for all.

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The um parties followed by looking at last.

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Year's application and guidelines, and after that also looking at last.

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Year's schedule for for the summer of 2019.

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Hopefully, to guide us for our schedule this year.

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Then we'll have a discussion about lit rates.

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And certified distributions and two more items.

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The approved budget for unified central dispatch for 2020.

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And additional materials that we may want to talk discuss so.

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Excuse me cheryl.

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What you read is not what I see on the agenda. I mean it's sort of the same.

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Topics, but in a different order, are you.

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I'm sorry I didn't read from the screen. I read from.

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um What mr lucas sent us this? This is the same thing that mr.

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Lucas sent us lettuce, let us just uh shuffle the the order.

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Here and um first we'll have the overview of.

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Income tax rates, followed by the unified central dispatch expenditures.

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Report and then we'll discuss how to review.

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Applications and the guidelines and application form.

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And finally, we'll talk about this committee's schedule.

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For the summer, all right, sorry that I don't have the.

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Current agenda in front of me so, mr lucas, since I do not.

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uh Will you uh notice, when the next item is up.

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For business, yes, absolutely I I think the first.

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uh Speaker here uh would be jeff underwood.

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um Who's here to comment on the overview of.

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uh Tax rates and revenues and distributions.

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And if he's ready, he I think is up first he's giving us the thumbs up.

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He's got the right hand good afternoon, everyone uh speaking to.

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You from uh chateau underwood here um just briefly.

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I'll cover uh the final 2020.

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um Dollar amounts and the allocations to the.

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Various groups so- and I think stephen was able to send that out to you shortly.

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Before the meeting so the uh final.

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Total amount that was distributed that will be distributed is eight million.

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Six hundred and fifty four thousand six hundred and seventy nine dollars and.

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That is a equal to a point. Two five, zero rate.

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Which is the certified rate for uh public safety? Of that.

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Two million two hundred and sixty three thousand two hundred and thirty eight.

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Thousand uh 238 dollars was appropriated and allocated to.

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uh The psap or central dispatch um and.

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Sorry, um and uh because of rounding errors that.

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Left an additional 826 dollars that would have.

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Ps lit fund that the county maintains, uh and that would be 826. That was.

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Unappropriated uh nor spent uh either on psat or.

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To any of the other uh units uh you allocated last year, 389.

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Thousand uh 461. to certified uh providers.

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Leaving six million one thousand one hundred and fifty four dollars to be.

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Distributed to four to the four units and just a quick overview.

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Remember uh the public safety lit is one of three categories.

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In the local income tax, there's what we call certified shares.

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There's edit and then there's public safety.

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Currently, uh the city and county have a certified shares rate, which is.

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Distributed to obviously a greater number of people.

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We've not allocated anything in the edit rate uh and we've allocated.

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0.25 in public safety and the statute for.

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That is that, essentially, that is created to fund.

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A central dispatch and all dollars allocated to a central dispatch.

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Come off the top of any revenues that are collected, so that's why you kind of.

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See that as the first item, the statute doesn't allow, because it's.

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Only distributed to the four units so monroe county city of bloomington.

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Ellisville and steinsville it does allow for the tax.

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Council to receive applications and then.

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They don't have to do anything with them other than receive them. They may review.

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Them and they may allocate funds uh to those.

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uh Which we did last year, you all did last year in the amount of.

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389 461 uh and prior to last year, the entire.

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Group participated in uh receiving and.

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Reviewing those allocations uh last year, this subcommittee uh made a.

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Recommendation on a percentage or a dollar amount.

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And then the county uh received and reviewed those.

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Applications and distributed that amount, those dollars.

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Also come off the top, so, as you see it kind of in the priority.

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uh So that's how we get down from uh the total of six million.

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Or eight million six, fifty four six: seventy nine down to.

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What is the distributive shares for the four units of government.

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uh That you see and of that forty five point- nine percent went to.

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The county fifty one point: one: nine percent- went to.

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The city two point: eight four percent went to uh ellisville and.

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Approximately it's a little bit less than that two percent went to.

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um um Town of steinsville, so you can see the allocation amounts.

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uh For the four groups uh we've been lucky, you know, we've been very fortunate.

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Is this uh pot of money has grown uh over the years with last north 2020.

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Being the largest number uh that we've gotten so.

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Far, that's the good news. The bad news is we.

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All know that it's not going to be that amount for.

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Next year, unfortunately, this group meets early on.

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We don't start getting estimates on what lit will be and that's both the.

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Distributive shares and public safety until july.

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And august, and just a reminder that once you get the certified distributions.

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Based on the actions that you take and based on the certified shares.

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That amount is guaranteed to all the parties. The state.

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Does collect and keeps a reserve so that if there are shortfalls in any year.

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They're able to make those up and make sure that the.

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Units get the monies that were prescribed.

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uh It's unique uh to uh the lit everything else isn't based on actual.

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Calculations, so um you know we we will for this year, get.

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Our allocations for 2020, but I'm certain that there's.

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Going to be a fairly significant drop in those.

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Revenues for uh 2021., so I just did some quick.

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Calculations- and these are just back of the napkins, because we have no idea uh at this at this point and and and be.

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Happy for uh jeff mckim to uh jump in as well as he's a very good.

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Financial analyst uh for us all as well, but uh assuming that.

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We had a 25 loss uh in revenues for a total of four.

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Months, uh that would be a decrease of 721.

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223 off of that 8.6 million dollars, if we had a 50.

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Percent loss for four months that number jumps up to a million 442.

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446 and if we had a 75 percent loss for four.

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Months, that would be a loss of 2 million 163.

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670, so I am anticipating that we're going to.

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Be somewhere probably in that range, and that was basically saying.

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April may june july uh would be the months that you would see.

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That uh drop um and the potential amounts.

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uh That will be uh so it's not going to be a good picture for next year.

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uh You know, obviously, all four units have.

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Needs greater than what gets funded every year.

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uh Is it's been, um you know uh very fortunate that you all enacted this.

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And and uh speaking on behalf of the city, uh we.

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Appreciate the the fact that we've been able to fund.

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Central dispatch uh out of this revenue stream, as well as.

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Significant capital improvements to both the police and fire departments.

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For the city, as I know as well for the county in ellisville and steinsville,.

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That said, then I'll make my my annual uh statement, slash plea.

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Is I think, this going into 2021, given the fact that there's going to be.

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Significant losses of revenues and the demands that.

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The four units of government have, along with the fact that we've seen.

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A consolidation of the township fire departments and I think that that will.

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Be completed fairly soon, uh with benton township.

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Which I I'm I'm a member of uh being the last.

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Township to come into uh line for that consolidation that.

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Would have been all townships uh not inside the corporate.

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Limits under one uh fire protection and given their.

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Ability to reset their tax rates each time.

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uh They consolidate uh I'm confident that they shouldn't be able to have.

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Adequately funded their needs through those tax rates that will be supported.

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By the citizens that reside in those areas so.

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My my plea for you this year is that.

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You would consider no additional uh allocations uh to those providers, as.

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They they should be able to provide for themselves, there's going to be a significant loss of revenues, and we have significant.

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Needs in those four groups, so that will help offset some of that loss.

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So again, uh we we think that you know that.

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There will be funding available uh to the to the.

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Unified fire uh protection areas as they consolidated and updated their tax rates.

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And that it's the time for us to let those revenues fall to the four.

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Units of governments, uh as it was allocated uh in the statute.

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So with that I'll be happy to answer any questions or move on to the next item. Thank you very.

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Much thanks, if you want to raise your hand.

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And ask a question: please do.

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Anyone for mr, mr mckeam, yes, so so don't you think that.

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um Any loss in income tax will also um hit the uh uh the.

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Fire protection district as well, so I mean they're also going to be they're.

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Dependent, certainly on property tax, but they're also going to get an income.

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Tax distribution so they're going to see a shortfall just.

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Like the uh other underlying units of government, if.

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There's any kind of an income tax shortage. Well, I think the the difference.

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There jeff is, I and I don't disagree, but I think that that's.

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That's a very small portion of what they get uh they're funding that it's.

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Primarily, property tax-based and they've been able to re-index that rate as.

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They've consolidated, so that should allow them to take into.

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Account, uh you know a small shortfall.

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In local income taxes that go to them out of that distributive shares.

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And you can see by the distributions that you know they're very small.

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When you get down to the township levels after you take out.

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The city and the county is it, you know, and a lot and a lot of that.

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Is also used for township operations, so I I don't think a significant portion of.

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That actually flows down to fire protection, so I think they'll be.

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I think they'll be okay, they'll take a hit, but not like we're gonna see.

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So I would like to uh comment on this point.

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Because not all the areas unincorporated areas of the county.

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Are served by monroe fire protection district or will.

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Join in january, 1.

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I don't know what the date might be for benton and maybe.

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You have some idea, mr underwood, but bloomington township and van buren.

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Township are slated to join january 1. that does leave.

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Richland and bean blossom without being part of the fire protection.

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District and they have traditionally sought some supplemental.

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Support from uh the public safety lit.

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And you know that wouldn't preclude any of the four units.

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As I talk about from providing funds to those providers as well so.

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That would allow ellisville dollars would flow to them and then, if.

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They wanted to allocate some of those dollars to uh rachel and bean blossom. That certainly would allow them to do that.

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uh As well as for ben, I think benton and washington would be uh january 1 of.

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2022, I think they're the next to the fall into that, because I know they.

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Washington and bloomington had to go through the uh process of.

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Decoupling so that allowed bloomington come in and then.

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Washington township can fall next, so I think washington, township and benton are.

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Slated for uh january 1st, 2022.

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So other other questions or comments from mr underwood, mr sims.

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Thank you, um mr underwood. um There's are you aware of any discussions in the.

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State legislature um slated toward possibly.

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Making it permanent um some of the rates for the qualified service providers as.

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Part of our ps lit, or is that something that we should is.

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Is that true or untrue, or is that something we should.

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uh Be concerned with moving on to the future or.

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Or I can, I can give you historic and then I can give you what my.

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My what I believe will happen- and I think it was alluded to by.

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Our county friends is that there was certainly an attempt in last year's.

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Legislature to change the funding stream from the current, which is basically the.

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Four uh psap and then the four units to.

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Psap and then distributive shares that's a much larger.

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uh Group we would allow those funds to go directly.

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To them, and then would eliminate this, this very process that we've done the.

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Last uh four years, I certainly think there'll.

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Be an attempt to do that again and.

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You know so uh I, from from from I put my city hat back on.

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Now, as uh you know, I think that would be unfortunate because it would uh lead to a loss of revenues for the.

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City itself and and mr sims you're very aware of the.

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Capital needs that we have and we've tried to restrict.

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Our use of the lit to capital only, but you know we're getting more and more.

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Pressures, public safety is a significant part of.

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The city's general fund budget and overall budget and continues to be.

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Do so as their needs grow, so uh you know it would be. I think what we.

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Might see is that that our if it gets changed and more.

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People are availed to the funding is that we might.

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Have to seek an increase to that rate to to make uh the four units whole again.

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Because again, every one of those units have uh needs.

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Greater than the amounts that get funded uh by by the public safety lit rate.

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Okay, thank you.

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Miss piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, I wanted to follow up on mr sims question.

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um So, mr underwood, do I understand correctly that there was legislation.

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Being considered, that would mean distributed shares would.

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Go to all taxing units and not just the four that currently get them after I.

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Believe this batch is funded, I think it would be. It was uh primarily.

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uh Slated to have be a hybrid between distributive shares and the current.

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Which would allow each of the townships that had a.

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Certified provider to um get a rate so essentially almost.

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All the townships it wouldn't be, it would eliminate library and, and some.

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Of the other smaller units, but essentially all of the townships, uh have uh certified providers so.

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um Mr mckim is raising his hand because I I I know he's probably.

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uh More in tune with that, but I believe that that was primarily what was looked.

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At last year, but that would be after we fund dispatch.

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Right, yes, dispatch would always it would always that would not.

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Change, I don't believe uh the ideas, the state.

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Very much wants to have a centralized dispatch.

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In every county and they're getting close to that so.

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The idea behind that is that that always gets funded.

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First and then it would change the distribution, so this.

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This group would meet to make a recommendation uh to the.

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The two fiscal bodies which approve eventually approve.

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uh The the final budget for uh central dispatch- it obviously goes through a.

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Long list it goes through, it goes through uh the over the policy.

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Oversight board and and then the two um units, uh county and city.

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Staff as well reviewing that and approving it moving up through. So it's it's the most uh uh detailed.

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And and looked at budget of any budget in any of the units of government. But I.

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Don't believe that would change, I don't think there's any pressure uh in.

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Fact I think it's the other way is that they would seek to preserve that, but then uh change the distribution after that.

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So I think mr mckim had a question or comment.

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Yeah, just a couple of quick comments on that. First of all, I I do agree.

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That, with uh mr underwood, that the psap allocation is.

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Pretty deep in this legislation pretty deeply embedded, I was actually on the.

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Study summer study committee for the general assembly that came up with the approach that allowed us to even adopt that.

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Public safety tax without adopting a levy freeze tax. In addition.

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And it all stemmed from the desire to make sure that.

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Every county had a well-funded uh peace app and that's.

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So yeah I don't, I don't see that going anywhere either.

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Now all that said, I think it's always a mistake to.

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Try to game out what the general assembly is going to do.

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In a future session, because anything could happen.

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And there also are movements afoot. There was one a couple years ago that will.

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Probably come back to totally restructure the local income.

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Tax and actually split out the city and county rates separately, so that.

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The county would could have a county-wide rate, and then the city could have an additional rate on top of that um and that you know that did not.

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Pass at the time, at least partially, because the state software was.

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Unable to handle multiple taxing districts for lit for lit the way they.

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Can for property tax, but that's apparently being fixed.

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They're, currently uh working on an upgraded.

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System that would be uh would allow that, and so I certainly.

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Anticipate at least some kind of restructuring to be.

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Discussed um so I think you know we work with what we've got. um We don't.

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uh And then we advocate for what we want, but I I think there's there are a lot of.

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Changes to the lit environment that could possibly be coming in the future, and I for one support the the decoupling of the.

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City uh and the county lit rate so.

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Thank you other questions for mr underwood.

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Or comments on this topic, so I have a question you said july and.

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August, which is the usual schedule for the state to report.

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What uh likely public safety lit allocations.

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Will uh be available to us and can you be more specific on those.

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Dates I'll have to double check, but I think.

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This, the final certification comes august, 1st august first memory service, it's this is a weird one.

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Because the the it comes from the state budget agency, rather than uh the board of accounts or the.

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Department of local finance, okay- and I think in july, usually mid.

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July they release a a county, wide total.

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uh And they give you here's our estimate for the street, you know what, for the.

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Three buckets and we only have the two so they'll not release. We think it's going to be this much for distributive shares and.

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This much for public safety, so we start refactoring.

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After that kind of based on you know the percentages from uh the.

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Current year, and then they actually give us the detailed breakdown.

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Right around august, the first, where it breaks it down by all the units of.

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Government and it's basically the certified amounts that you can plug in okay,.

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Okay, thank you very much other questions for mr underwood.

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Thank you all, mr lucas, can you take us to the next agenda item.

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Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Mister.

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The uh the next item on the agenda is a report.

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On central dispatch- and I believe uh amy hensley and mike ricker- are both.

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Here I assume miss hensley will be up.

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First and see she's on the call.

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Miss hensley, are you.

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Available to present you see.

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I know she messaged me earlier and was having trouble connecting to the audio.

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So she was going to call in mr rooker. I don't know if you'd like.

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To take things off while miss hensley gets her audio sorted out.

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Sure I can talk a little bit about where things stand at the dispatch budget.

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Which is uh that they are very preliminary at this point um you know the city and the county have.

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Had a preliminary couple of meetings uh just to discuss.

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Just to discuss the sketch of a budget for 2021, I think, as mr.

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Underwood alluded to this is an extremely.

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Interesting year, in terms of how public safety, local.

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Income tax and income taxes in general that revenue will look, but we did put a.

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Budget together, I know, there's been correspondence between folks from the county and folks of the city and at dispatch.

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About what that budget will look like the next step in that process.

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Is for that budget once the city and county folks.

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Sort of have an agreement about how the budget will look, how much will be funded.

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By ps lit and how much will be funded by.

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9-1-1 funds, once we have an agreement on that, is to go to a special session of the dispatch policy board.

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Which would issue a recommendation on the budget right now.

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Although we have not firmly scheduled this, we are considering the date of.

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June 16th tuesday june 16th at 10 a.m. For that.

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Special session and we would have more information on what the 2021 budget.

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Would look like after that, I can tell you, based on um the.

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Preliminary sorts of proposals that have been going around.

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There are no drastic changes to um nothing. I would describe as a drastic.

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Change to the dispatch budget, there are some recommendations that were.

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Received by dispatch from a consulting firm that.

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The city and county hired novak consulting to look at dispatch budget.

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Operations that we are working towards implementing in the 2021 budget, uh but again it's still pretty.

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Preliminary to be talking about those things until we get a recommended budget from the policy board.

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And I'm happy to do my best to address any questions.

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um I know hopefully amy will get on the call. um I.

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Think is: jeff is jeff cockrell from this the county here. No, but.

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um Margie rice is here: oh margie is here, okay, and I don't remember.

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Margie, I'm sorry, my memory is failing me. So much has happened. I don't remember.

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Who from the county was involved in those meetings? I know angie purdy was, and I can't remember if it was.

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You or jeff cockrell, or both of you during those meetings about the dispatch.

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Budget, we can do our best to answer any questions you may have.

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Can you hear me mike yes, hi amy hi.

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Hello, baby hi, I didn't realize you were uh on a phone and a video. um I don't.

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Know if you have anything to add to what mike just presented.

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It that's pretty much it. um We aren't doing.

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Any major projects next year, because the the protocol project is a very large.

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Project and it was purchased at the very end of.

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2018- and we are just this year in a position.

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To implement it, so it will take most of this year to.

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Implement and then it'll be since it is new.

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um We want to give them all of next year to get used to it.

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And before jumping into any major projects again,.

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And when I look at our hardware, our hardware and software is in pretty.

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Good shape, so I don't know that we are in the need.

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Next year, to make any major changes, so that has allowed us to keep our our.

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Capital requests very minimal.

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Thank you, mr sims, thank you um and if I misspeak.

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Someone can please correct me, uh but at least once um previously.

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um During my tenure on this board, the dis.

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Central dispatch budget was realigned or reduced.

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In order to add some funds for the qualified.

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Service providers, or maybe to induce what we were doing with that.

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And if I'm correct in that, I believe I am, but is there any chance of that.

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How what are we looking at with regard to that? Is there an opportunity that the.

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Central dispatch budget could be reduced in order to.

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Free up more of those funds, or do you think from this estimate.

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That that they'll, pretty much with what we just heard from ms sinsley.

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um That they'll pretty much use whatever the projections are.

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I'll jump in there uh jim, uh it wasn't necessarily a reduction in the.

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um Overall dispatch budget it actually has grown.

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Each year, uh but there were additional as a reminder.

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Central dispatch gets funded out of two pots of money. Public safety lit.

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And the e-911 funds- and there were additional funds available to us.

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Via the county, so there was a reduction. What you see, if you look at the historic.

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Amounts is, we were actually able to reduce.

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The amount of psat money that we are a ps lit money that we were.

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Requesting because there was an increase in the e-911, I don't anticipate any major changes in that funding.

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Formula, uh I do know that you will continue to see.

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uh You know a tight review between the county and the city of what's necessary.

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To fund uh the department, uh you know uh we try.

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Not to make it too tight uh so that they have enough.

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Funds, uh it has been recommended that you know each year that we add staffing uh mike rooker alluded to that.

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Report and and then you can add additional information but we're reviewing what they're they're stating which was a.

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Significant increase in staff, which we've kind of been doing over the.

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Last few years, but we've chosen to phase that in and.

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I'm sure that's the approach that we would continue to take.

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So I don't anticipate that you're going to see any.

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Ability to reduce the budget- and I don't think we'll see any significant change.

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In the funding between the two funds, so I.

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Anticipate that you'll see a budget that's fairly close.

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With some normal increases uh in the final dispatch budget, okay,.

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Thank you. Thank you. Other questions comments, miss piedmont, smith,.

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Yes, thank you. um First of all, I want to say welcome ms hensley. I don't think.

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That we have had the opportunity to be in a.

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Meeting together yet- and you are relatively new.

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As the dispatch director, so thank you for being here.

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Virtually, um uh can you remind us or or tell us also for the.

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Benefit of the public. What is the protocol protocol project that you're implementing this year.

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So the the learning curve for a dispatcher is huge.

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Because the protocols reflect what they send out.

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And and what's needed on each individual type of call that dispatchers receive.

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Requesting assistance and the the training curve for a new.

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Dispatcher to learn all those protocols and even as.

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Things change for different departments, um the social environment, changing and.

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Having to make adjustments in coverage, those are ever changing.

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And the protocols are a a set software.

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Program that prompts the dispatchers so that there.

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Aren't things on individual calls that we miss.

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Thank you further questions, miss piedmont, smith,.

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No, thank you. Okay. Thank you. Everyone. um We appreciate mr roker.

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And ms hensley being here today and we'll be seeing them again.

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I know I believe, we're ready for the next.

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Agenda item, mr lucas sure, so the the next item on the agenda. If.

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The committee is ready to to discuss. It is the conduct of review.

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Of applications, and just by way of reminder last year.

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For the first time, this committee delegated the review of applications to.

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The county council, after first setting.

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A set percentage that would be made available to the qualified service.

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Providers this year, I don't know what the.

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Committee's preference would be, but this is the opportunity to discuss that.

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And see what what you all want to do.

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Thank you last year, I think our percentage was six percent.

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Or came out uh 6.09 percent uh after funding.

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The psap and I'll ask mr underwood uh to check that if he's still with us.

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And I'm not sure he is yes, he is.

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He's, mr underwood, you you need to unmute. Thank you. Yes, sorry about that.

F

Took a little bit of time, I will double check that number I think it was of the overall amount was uh 4.65 percent of the total, and I think.

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Adjusted yeah, it would be somewhere around six months.

D

Okay, so 4.65 approximately and.

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As it worked out after funding, uh the psap.

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uh The spreadsheet shows that it would be.

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6.09 percent of the remainder remaining funds.

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So uh would anybody like to discuss this matter now.

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Mr mckim, yes, I actually want to bring something up. That's actually.

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Very important to our our deliberations here and.

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It I literally just I mean I knew that there was something.

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That the governor had released a new executive order yesterday.

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But actually the content of that executive order is quite important to.

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The work we do so the governor did issue another executive order. Yesterday that changed a number of the tax deadlines.

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And in particular, well there are a couple of.

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Things that are important first of all, they extended the deadline.

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uh To september 15th, for the state budget agency to provide estimates of.

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The local income tax revenue- that's literally just breaking news and.

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Then also um extended till october 15th.

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Certifications of the local income tax revenue so.

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The whole process of us, knowing how much lit we have to.

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To work with is going to be significantly uh pushed out in time.

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Yeah um did the other. Oh sorry, mr underwear.

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As a part of that executive order, did he extend the debt.

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The deadlines for uh uh units of government to adopt budgets.

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Because, like you know for the city, it's like november, the third well.

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If we're not going to get certificate, I mean we wouldn't even be able to have a public hearing within the prescribed time with those.

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Dates, I don't see anything related to uh budgets uh in.

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That executive order, it's pretty short, it's on the state. uh If you just go to the indiana governor executive orders page, it's the.

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Most recent one and then the other piece, that's.

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Important is that um the he's also changed the.

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Time frame for um yes there, it is, if you want to go down to, I think it's.

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The scroll down the next section yeah an extension of.

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Certain tax deadlines, um so the first two are relevant to.

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Those estimates and certifications that we just talked about a and b.

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And then, if you scroll down c and d extensions of the window of time.

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That is used to consider tax individual tax filings as belonging.

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To a particular year in which the lid is distributed, so, in other words now.

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Tax filings, amended returns or annual returns.

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That are processed all the way up to august 31st.

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Will be counted for the distributions that that will uh occur in 2021., so.

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Remember 2021 actually uh lit distributions are actually income.

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That's earned in 2019., so that's actually already that income's.

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Already in the can, the question is how the uh the the tax returns are.

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Counted and normally it's july june 30th is the.

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Deadline but because the filing deadline was.

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Extended the apparently, the state has just extended that window for what counts for the year 2021.. So.

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Basically, any personal income tax returns that are.

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Filed all the way up to august 31st 2020 will be counted in the.

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uh The revenue that is distributed in 2021.

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In general, that's a good thing that that means that there will be.

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Little to no hit expected in 2020 or 2021 as far as lit goes.

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And but the hit will then occur in 2022, so it's the hit is going to be deferred.

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A little bit and then the the next section section d.

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Basically, uh adjusts those those deadlines for.

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What gets distributed in in 2022, so you understand what I'm saying.

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That that there's going to be a the hit from.

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The economy is going to be felt in the lit we received in 2022, but unfortunately, because of these.

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Delays we're not going to know exactly what we have to work with till.

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Quite late in the year right that that's based on like two.

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Minutes reading of those executive orders, so please, let's, let's.

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Spend time yeah, let's see the staff will spend time.

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Processing it, but it's a very, very important. Thank you, mr.

D

Mckim uh there's something else, that's relevant and I think our our staff will need to look at this and that's the.

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Required date, center state statute, by which.

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Decisions must be made regarding public safety.

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Allocations to qualified service providers.

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Do you recall that to recall that date, specifically.

D

Mr lucas linus rice, mike rooker, may have those I, while he's.

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Coming on board, I was going to add, for those of you that don't know is.

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Every unit of government has a deadline for which they have to have.

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Their budgets, approved by the fiscal body.

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uh In the case of the city, I believe it's around november, the 3rd.

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So that's why I was asking the question of.

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Sometimes, there's unintended uh consequences to decisions to delay.

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Things and if they're not going to tell us.

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What those certified revenues are going to be we'll either have to implement our budgets uh or.

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They may extend those out because under state statute.

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The department of local government finance is also required to have.

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Certified budget orders to every unit of government by december 31st.

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uh So that, as we go into the fiscal year, we know.

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uh For each of those funds, what those are appropriate so.

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There's going to be a I'm sure, a cascading effect. That's going to come.

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Out of of this latest executive order, okay,.

D

Thank you, so I just want want to make sure that.

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We look at uh any changes in uh schedule.

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For what this committee must decide and and take back to.

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Our city and county councils, mr lucas, uh I know in normal years.

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uh The funding for qsps needs to be done before the end of august. I believe it's.

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Before september, 1st and um applications for funding from the.

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Qsps, as the committee knows, should be filed before uh july 1st, so by the end of june and.

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uh How these extensions affect that I've not had time to.

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To discuss that with uh with city, legal or county legal, so.

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As as jeff just pointed out, this came out yesterday, I believe.

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Yeah, okay, thank you. So uh this will affect our scheduling.

D

For sure mr sims.

B

Oh okay, I thought someone was welcoming me with that.

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Nice, music, um what I was thinking about um and of.

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Course this committee would decide on a percentage.

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Or or a dollar amount that would may go to the qualified service providers.

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I, what, in the event, how would any all this be affected in the event that this.

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Committee voted not to set such a percentage.

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For an example, if we voted to fund dispatch, which is what we mainly do.

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And then do the rest of the distributive shares.

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um Accordingly, without the qsps.

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So and I'm not saying that that's what's going to happen today, but how would that.

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Affect us, mr lucas, um would we have to still approve zero.

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E

uh Jeff underwood may have a comment. uh I was just gonna say yeah, if you, if you.

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uh Do not vote to fund any of the public. The.

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Certified providers, essentially, you would.

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Approve a rate for uh dispatch, and then it just would go down to the normal.

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Distributions to the four units, so you would.

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um See that amount that was set aside, the 300 and some thousand dollars.

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Would then get distributed based on the percentages that.

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Was in the spreadsheet.

D

Thank you. Mr oldham has a question or comment.

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Thank you for either stephen or jeff. um I believe the law requires that we at.

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Least, allow them to make applications before. Therefore, it kind of seems like.

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We would be going backwards by saying we're not going to give any, but you can still apply.

J

Excellent point, so I I don't know the way man I'll be a little premature in.

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Our discussions about what we're going to vote on or not vote.

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On, if we do it today, as opposed to just following the normal path, as we.

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Have in years past mr mckim.

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um You're mute sorry, I wonder if it might not make sense to.

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Have uh one of the legal staff talk to some of the staff at the state to see if.

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They've even considered extending the the deadlines, similarly to.

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The way that they've extended it for tax calculations, I mean it just there's so much of a cascading effect for all of these.

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Changes- and they probably you know there- aren't that many uh counties that do that have this qsp procedure there just.

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Aren't that aren't that many that distribute money to the qsps? I think.

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We've been more proactive on that, and so they may that.

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May not even be on the count on the city on the state's radar.

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Unless we make it on the state's radar, so.

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That that would probably be my suggestion before even making any decisions is to have to do some serious outreach.

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To the governor's office or to the department of local government finance.

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And see if there's even been any discussion or if any rule making is in.

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Process to to adjust the deadlines for the qsp.

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Decision. Thank you. That's that's very much needed.

D

Other questions or comments, mr lucas, I just wanted to respond to what mr.

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Oldham stated, the statute does include a provision.

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That says these qualified service providers may may apply for funding and that the the council shall review.

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Those applications, so I believe there is a duty to to.

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Review those applications, and this year with all that's gone on.

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It's kind of thrown a wrench in the the timeline to do all that. So I'm happy.

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To work with county legal or whoever needs to reach out to the.

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The state house, if that's what the committee wants to pursue.

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Stephen, this is mike rooker, if I might jump in on that point, though, just.

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Very quickly to respond to mr oldham as well, you know I I see that there may be.

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A deadline extension and that's a good thing to check into, and I appreciate council member mckim pointing that out. um However, in the past we have heard.

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From these qsps that preparing all of the paperwork.

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Required for for the review has been a pretty.

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Significant expenditure of their resources of their.

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Limited resources, and so it might be helpful on the front.

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End if there is no intention to do distributions to qsps.

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It might save them all that time and effort, particularly at this particular.

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Moment when we all know our resources are stretched thinner than.

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Usual due to a number of difficulties that we're all experiencing.

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As local government agencies, so it might be helpful on the front end to.

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Say: um look there probably isn't going to be a distribution? If that's something.

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The committee knows.

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That that's just a thought so.

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um Carol is sarah might have dropped off the call.

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Yeah so go ahead. Jeff, oh yeah! I mean I'm. Definitely not there.

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Yet I you know obviously we're a minority party in this, but I am not.

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I'm not there yet in terms of saying no distributions for the qsps, but.

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I I do. I would like to see to any degree that we can.

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If we can get uh if we can get more time or if we have more time to make those.

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Decisions, I agree that we don't want to put the.

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Fire departments through a big grant application process. That's.

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That we have no intention of funding, but I just personally.

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I think that the fire departments are going to see uh revenue challenges just.

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Like everybody else, maybe not to the same magnitude, but they.

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Definitely still are going to see revenue challenges and I don't want to.

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Write them off completely, yet that's just me.

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It seems like it might be. Well, I was going to say.

B

Isabelle is a previous chair until cheryl gets back, we don't have a vice.

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Chain, I think I think cheryl just uh cheryl just.

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Texted me and she got a call- she maybe may or may not be coming.

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Back um but we also have a county council.

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Meeting in six minutes so we're both she just.

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She just connected okay, good, be a phone.

E

Did you just say that you and cheryl have to leave in a few minutes.

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Jeff cheryl, you're, muted. Sorry, we do. We have a meeting in five. We have a.

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County council special meeting that is um actually going to be quite.

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Controversial that uh we have in five minutes, so we we.

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May want to jump ahead to scheduling then, um if we're not going.

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To be able to uh sort out all these questions today,.

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While the committee's all here, maybe we want to pick a date where we can get.

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Back together and resume, and hopefully between now and then.

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County, legal or city legal can do some more research on the.

E

Timeline and what that what that means for the committee's process? um How does that sound.

C

I would support that approach. Good idea, um we'll need to give at least uh 48.

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Hours notice, so I don't know when the committee would.

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Next, like to meet, um how much time do you feel legal needs.

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To do the work that the.

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A week is that much too little I mean I mean I would say.

C

Yes, I don't, I mean just because it's dependent on getting in touch with.

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People in the state- and you know maybe they have an answer.

C

Maybe they don't it's there. There are a lot of so I I I.

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Would not personally, I would not want to make the timeline too tight.

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Here's another consideration: if, if the state does not extend any of these.

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Deadlines then, the applications from qsps would be due by the end of june.

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And making that application available to them, along with any guidelines the.

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Committee has we're already it's less than a month.

E

A

Can we meet um next wednesday or thursday.

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Yes, it's fine with me, I mean is: is noon a a good time for people.

A

No, mr old, I'm saying no, I have a little conflict that I have to.

J

Make sure that I am avoiding.

E

There is a city council meeting on wednesday evening, there's a jack hopkins.

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Committee meeting on thursday evening.

A

Is an 8 a.m, meeting a possibility for people.

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Is that better with me, it is okay by me. I love 8 a.m. Meetings. You.

C

Can't even make it 7 a.m. Morning, person someone please mute.

A

Definitely I'm right about now.

B

So we're talking about next thursday we're talking about.

A

That was my proposal. Yes, that's our proposal.

B

Again well, if, if eight is good, then nine is a little better.

E

I did hear scott ask about virtual meetings. I believe the state's executive.

E

Order extends to june um 11th. I think we can meet through.

E

June 11th virtually so that not extended yesterday on the.

J

Government, the governor's new criteria, I'll have to look. I know I.

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Think, as long as the previous order extended to june 11th.

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It may even be beyond that now: um deeper, okay, okay,.

B

If I may add I'll retract my last statement, eight would be better since I.

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Do have something scheduled at 10 that day.

J

That would be great for me. 8 a.m is better.

B

You win jeff 8 a.m is good. Okay, hello, I'm hearing june 11th at 8.

E

A.M: cheryl does that work for you carol, jeff.

D

Got her phone connected, so I could hear the deliberations.

D

Without contributing to them, okay, is it nine a.m or eight.

D

Eight eight sure is this a zoo meeting? Yes, yes, I will send out similar.

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Information uh that I did for this meeting I'll prepare a notice and share that with all of the uh the members so that they.

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Can use that how they need to and we'll go from there.

D

Okay, so thank you very much and maybe we'll have some.

D

uh Further research regarding uh that's relevant to our scheduling.

D

By then thank you.

D

So, are we ready to adjourn this meeting.

A

Yes and good luck for your contentious county council meeting, I'm intrigued.

A

I'm I'm intrigued what that was: okay, it'll, be on cats. You guys can know what.

D

So, thank you all very much for coming today. Thank you to the staff.

D

Especially all of them and to cats, and if there's no further business, this.

D

Meeting is adjourned. Mr sam's just got his hand up. Oh, I can't.

D

See, mr sims, that's! Okay! It's not! It's not important!.

B

First of all, I think miss purcell is the only one I didn't get a chance to speak to. So it's good to see you and the second thing is there: is there a motion needed for adjournment.

B

No okay, yeah all right, see you next week, then.

D

Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much.

G