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A
Okay,
so
the
time
is
one
minute
after
five
on
Friday
on
Monday
February,
the
6th
2023-
and
this
is
the
Redevelopment
commission
meeting.
Could
we
have
a
roll
call
by
name
please.
D
A
Here,
Deborah
Hutton,
yes,
staff
who
are
here.
E
E
I
think
we
might
have
a
number
of
Staff
online
too
or
cdbg
staff
as
well.
A
That's
it.
Okay
sounds
great
and
sorry
for
the
gravelly
voice,
it's
the
Cohen
voice.
Could
we
have
in
terms
of
minutes
the
minutes
for
January
23rd
2023
and
the
executive
summary
for
two
for
January
23
2023
could
I?
Are
there
any
from
the
members
of
the
commission?
Are
there
any
changes
to
make
and
if
so,
speak
them?
If
not,
please
send
someone
make
a
motion
to
approve.
C
A
Thank
you,
I
have
a
first
and
a
second
all
in
favor
roll
call
by
vote
by
roll.
A
And
Deborah
Hutton
yes,
passes
unanimously
next
item
examination
of
claims
for
February
3rd
2023
for
the
amount
of
2
million,
506,
100
and
7
cents,
I
thought
could
I
have
any
questions
from
the
commissioners
or
comments.
If
not
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
C
A
Hutton,
yes,
next
item
is
the
payroll
register
for
January
27
2023
for
37
000
391.93.
A
C
B
A
Deborah
Hutton,
yes
passes
you
down
asleep
reports
from
officers
and
committees.
Is
there
a
director's
report.
E
There
is
briefly,
we
have
a
very
hand
heavy
agenda
tonight,
so
my
only
report
is
that
we
will
have
a
another
public
hearing
for
the
home
ARP
plan
on
the
20th
at
our
next
meeting
as
well.
That
was
noticed
in
the
paper
and
so
we're
going
to
do
one
tonight
and
then
one
more
on
the
20th
and
that's
my
only
report
to
you
this
evening.
Thank.
J
K
Just
very
briefly,
I
just
wanted
to
report
that
the
purchase
of
the
CFC
showers
Building,
located
at
320,
West,
8th
Street,
was
approved
by
city
council
and
we
closed
on
that
purchase
last
Tuesday
and
we
have
officially
taken
over
that
building.
I
also
owe
the
Commissioners
an
email
with
conflict
of
interest
forms
and
I
apologize
for
not
getting
that
out.
I'll
get
that
out
as
soon
as
I,
possibly
can
so
that
you
can
all
return
those
to
our
conflict
of
interest
officer.
Thank
you.
C
C
K
Me
yep,
and
we
have
one
more
so
commissioner,
Cassidy
I
have
his
here
today,
so
he
can
sign
that
and
that
we
could
just
present
this,
but
thank
you
very
much,
yeah
I'm.
Sorry
thank.
D
K
So,
in
addition
to
that,
so
the
city
of
Bloomington
itself
issued
the
bonds.
They
were:
economic,
Economic,
Development,
local
income,
tax
bonds,
revenue
bonds
and
a
portion
of
those
those
income
tax
was
dedicated
toward
Public
Safety
construction
facility,
so
fire
and
police
facilities,
and
so
the
intent
there
is
to
use
those
bonds
as
the
those
bonds
that
were
already
issued,
that
the
Ed
lit
will
be
the
backup
for
those
bonds.
So
it
will
be
essentially
what
is
used
to
service
those
city
of
Bloomington
bonds,
so
that
would
be
paid
out
of
that.
K
Anything
that
comes
out
of
the
Redevelopment
commission
will
have
to
be
approved
by
the
Redevelopment
commission.
But
those
bonds
technically
sit
in
a
separate
account.
So
that'll
be
a
discussion
that
we'll
have
as
we
go
we're
just
at
the
very
beginning
of
this
process,
kind
of
figuring
it
out
so
we'll
probably
come
back
to
you
kind
of
with
an
update,
I'm
guessing
within
the
next
couple
of
months.
K
Just
in
terms
of
getting
together,
The
Next
Step
would
be
to
put
out
an
RFQ,
for
instance,
for
a
design,
firm
and
kind
of
get
that
together,
but
yeah
it'll
be
a
conversation
that
we'll
kind
of
all
have
together
and
then
any
expenses
special
expenses
will
come
to
you,
both
in
the
in
the
form
of
they'll,
be
on
your
claims
register
for
any
kind
of
you
know:
electricity,
normal
utility
stuff.
But
if
there's
any
special
claims,
those
will
obviously
come
to
you
separately.
Okay,.
D
K
K
B
K
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
for
controller
Underwood,
So
I.
We
basically
went
with
his,
but
the
the
real
reason
why
it
stayed
with
the
RDC
is
because
the
RDC
is
the
one
that
solicited
both
the
appraisals
but
also
made
the
offer
that
I've
purchased
and
had
the
purchase
agreement
there.
So,
in
order
to
shift
the
ownership
structure
of
the
purchase
structure,
we
would
have
to
do
that
a
completely
different
way
so
that
that
wouldn't
have
been
an
agreement.
You
could
have
just
used
to
purchase
that
without
the
rdc's
approval
when.
B
K
A
week
and
a
half
ago
at
the
city
council
meeting
when
they,
when
they
approved
it,
to
be
honest
with
you,
so
it
was.
It
was
proposed
that
those
bonds,
if
we
were
going
to
use
it
for
a
police
headquarters,
impossible
fire
Administration,
that
those
bonds
could
be
the
source
of
that
city
council
had
to
make
that
ultimate
determination,
whether
that's
a
way
that
they
wanted
to
use
those
EV
funds
or
not.
There
was
a.
K
There
was
obviously
an
outstanding
question,
a
very
lengthy
debate
about
whether
they
wanted
those
bonds
only
to
go
for
other
other
projects
that
were
outside
of
that
showers
purchase
or
they
wanted
to
go
for
for
that
as
well,
and
so
they
chose
to
to
lump
those
together,
and
so
because
the
money
was
because
the
bonds
were
already
sold
and
the
money
was
available.
We
didn't
have
to
use
Tiff
funds,
and
so
we
went
ahead
and
use
those.
B
And
then
one
last
question
was
I
know
that
Council
discussed
this,
but
I
don't
remember
kind
of
what
the
conclusion
was,
which
is,
since
the
square
footage
for
the
CFC
portion
of
the
showers
building
is
I,
think
roughly
double
what
is
needed
for
police
and
fire
in
any
case,
there's
an
excessive
amount
of
square
footage.
That's
beyond
what
is
needed
for
this
exact
transaction.
Are
those
bonds
also
being
used
for
that
purchase.
K
So
the
bonds
were
used
for
the
purchase.
There's
no
determination
about
the
usage
of
that
remaining
square
footage
at
this
time,
so
that
we
don't
know
how
it'll
be
just
remember
we
haven't
actually.
So
while
there
are
preliminary
designs
sought,
you
know
to
make
sure
that
it
was
a
feasible
use
of
it.
We
don't
have
an
actual
design
of
what
this
looks
like
yet.
So
that's
the
part
that
we're
at
the
beginning
of
so
we
actually
don't
know
for
sure.
K
What's
going
to
be
remaining
I
know
that
there
was
a
lengthy
discussion
like
taking
into
account,
like
all
of
the
common
areas,
were
being
lumped
into
the
remaining
square
footage,
and
so
it
kind
of
looked
like
it
was
50
50,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
that
was
actually
because
I
think
it
was
more
like
a
18
potential
square
footage
of
just
that
initial
design
would
be
usable
space
outside
of
what
was
planned
for
the
police.
But
again,
that's
not
a
final
design.
B
K
Don't
think
so
to
be
I,
don't
think
so.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
that's
that's
a
discussion
that
that
they
finalize
in
terms
of
between
the
administration
and
city
council,
about
how
those
those
ones
be
used.
So
they've
already
been
used
for
the
purchase
price.
There
are
some
questions
you
know
there
are
some
questions
just
in
terms
of
that
discussion
also
about,
for
instance,
rent
revenues
because
obviously,
there's
still
tenants
the
way.
K
As
you
know,
the
way,
that's
typically
operated
with
all
of
our
other
properties
as
that
money
really
goes
back
into
the
property,
so
it
uses
to
support
all
the
utilities
and
things
like
that,
so
there
might
be
a
balance
or
a
trade-off
there,
whereas
you
know,
theoretically,
if
you
could
keep
some
of
that
rent
Revenue
it'll
go
back
into
that
project
and
stay
with
the
project
in
lieu
of
trying
to
shift
around
funds
to
to
pay
for
any
other
part
of
it.
So
that
would
be
the
part
of
the
ongoing
discussion.
I.
Think
well,.
K
K
Think
the
RFQ
for
the
design
portion
of
it
has
been
just
released
by
the
administration
at
this
point
just
to
see
what
what
comes
out
I'm,
not
actually
sure
commissioner
Cassie
I'll
check
on
that
and
I'll
get
back
to
you
with
a
firmer
answer.
I'm
not
I'm,
not
entirely
sure.
Just.
K
Know
again-
and
this
this
we've
done
this
on
other
projects
as
well.
If,
if
the
RDC
is
the
owner
of
the
property,
the
way
we
would
structure
those
contracts
typically,
is
that
you
would
also
be
a
signatory
to
those
which
means
that
those
contracts
would
come
back
through
here
for
approval,
so
that
that
might
be
one
Avenue,
but
I'll
double
check
on
that
and
that's
kind
of
my
preliminary
answer,
but
sounds
good
appreciate
that.
I
J
K
To
answer
any
questions
or
try
to
pass
along
any
questions
in
reality
to
controller
Underwood.
That
again
thank.
I
E
Thank
you
very
president.
So
we've
got
a
group
tonight
presenting
Deb
coats.
Our
project
consultant
is
on
with
us
with
JS
held
I.
Think
pardon
me
Deb.
Are
you
leading
us
off.
E
Or
Mary
Catherine
or
the
mayor
on
so
I
think
maybe
you
so
tonight
as
devil
say
we're
just
going
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
latest
at
the
Hopewell
project.
Miss
Koontz,
myself
and
Mr
Crowley
will
be
chiming
in
I.
Believe
maybe
would.
E
F
F
We're
going
to
start
always
with
the
really
trying
to
click
continue
to
clarify
the
vision
for
the
neighborhood,
we'll
touch
on
an
overall
scheduled
update.
Give
you
some
specifics
about
progress
and,
of
course,
there's
always
challenges.
We
want
to
be
upfront
about
those
as
well
and
then
talk
about
what's
coming
next
for
the
RDC
and
what
you'll
see
in
the
coming
months
so
very
quickly.
F
Excuse
me
and
I
think
it's
best
that
if
we
think
about
what
is
sorry
I'm
just
trying
to
make
this
viewable
when
we
think
about
the
Hopewell,
neighborhood,
Vision
I
think
there's
really
three
words
that
come
to
mind
and
that
is
affordability,
sustainability
and
Design,
and
so
these
the
words
that
are
on
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
the
words
just
to
make
sure
that
we
hear
them
out
loud,
but
those
those
affordability,
sustainability
and
design
are
really
kind
of
the
three
pillars
that
this
program
is
really
built
on
in
building
this
neighborhood.
F
C
F
F
Thanks
to
the
good
team
from
our
engineering
department
and
you'll,
see
that
over
75
percent
of
the
existing
Legacy
Hospital
has
actually
come
down,
and
so
it
really
is
a
focus
now
on
continued
infrastructure,
but
as
important
or
maybe,
more
importantly,
is
opportunities
for
development,
where
we
really
want
to
invite
developers
in
to
talk
about
and
to
propose
on
opportunities
for
development,
primarily
housing
in
this
neighborhood.
It's
like
you
were
seeing
me
starting
to
focus
on
a
couple
things
here.
F
Let
me
just
do
something
real
quick
here.
Let
me
take
these
off.
These
were
my
nose.
Sorry
about
that.
Yeah.
J
F
Lot
of
words
here
there's
been
a
lot
of
progress.
We
have
a
couple
challenges
we'll
touch
on
as
well
is
one
the
steering
committee
For
Hopewell
has
continued.
We
may
have
some
people
changing
and
out,
but
really
focused
on
continuing
to
have
those
and
we're
focused
in
on
bi-annual
meetings
with
them.
F
The
Outreach
to
neighbors
happens
through
the
individual
meetings.
Mcs
has
been
going
to
some
of
those
I
know.
John
attends
some
of
those
as
well
and
as
we
continue
to
get
into
infrastructure
project
construction
as
well
as
what's
happening
with
development,
there'll,
be
increased
connection.
In
fact,
we
just
heard
even
I
think
it
was
last
week
about
the
door
hangers
that
were
put
before
the
demolition
startup
facing
with
East
and
how
appreciative
a
neighbor
was
about
getting
the
door
hanger
because
at
least
they
knew
something
was
coming
before
demolition
started
on
phase
one
ease.
F
Of
course,
rezoning
has
been
complete
now
for
a
while
at
Hopewell,
there's
even
been
some
parceling
through
with
the
city
council
and
on
blocks
one
two
and
three.
If
you
had
didn't
follow
the
council's
approval
of
the
overlay
District
that
was
adopted
back
in
December,
that's
critical,
so
that
identifies
some
changes
for
some
Zone.
Some
of
the
zoning
requirements
in
this
particular
area,
I.
F
Health
demolition
already
and
then
there's
some
work,
that's
happening
on
the
infrastructure.
An
RF
RFI
is
on
the
street
for
Design
Services
for
Jack's
part
of
Jackson
Street,
the
first
reconstruction
is
out
to
bid
and
the
Second
Street
modernization
and
design.
So
some
things
that
are
happening
on
the
infrastructure
side,
I
must
have
really
thought.
F
It
was
important
to
mention
the
overlay
District,
because
I
assisted
it
twice
here,
but
I
think
it's
also
important,
as
I
mentioned,
that
we're
really
going
to
start
moving
into
the
phase
now
of
not
only
continuing
to
focus
on
some
infrastructure
and
leveraging
dollars,
but
also
moving
forward
with
some
development
and
I.
Think
we've
with
this
group
we've
heard
that
there's
some
a
developer
being
identified
through
a
previous
RFI
process
for
the
core
building,
and
so
we
are
continuing
to
work
with
them
phase.
One
demolition
is
complete:
we've
started
to
promote
it
with
signage.
F
If
you
haven't
been
by
it
yet
would
encourage
you
to
do
that.
The
First
Development
RFI
is
to
be
released
soon
and
we're
going
to
release
that
for
the
looking
at
the
blocks,
eight,
nine
and
ten
and
then
follow
that
quickly
with
blocks
one
two
three
and
for
those
of
you
who
may
be
wondering.
Well,
what
are
those
blocks
I'm
going
to
show
you
that,
in
a
graphic
here
in
just
a
second,
so
stay
tired?
We'll
show
that
then
the
last
two
are
the
city's
continuous
focus
on.
How
can
we
get
other
funds?
F
F
Of
the
highlights,
that's
a
lot.
That's
been
happening
in
2020,
most
a
lot
of
that
actually
happened
in
2022
and
but
obviously,
challenges
continue
and
we're
not
shy
about
those
construction
costs
are
high.
I
think
that
if
you're,
following
what
happened
with
the
Board
of
Public
Works,
you
may
know
that
the
phase
one
East
infrastructure
project
bid
over
budget
because
of
construction
costs
are
high.
F
We
are
going
to
be
actively
looking
at
a
rebetting
for
that
trying
to
make
some
scope
adjustments,
but
still
keep
the
great
Flair
and
flavor
of
phase
one
East
in
terms
of
that
infrastructure
and
again
that's
the
roads
and
things
that
utilities
and
things
that
are
underneath.
Another
challenge.
That's
going
to
be
coming
up
is
Council
to
approval
of
the
alley.
Right-Of-Ways
I
think
there
is
quite
some
discussion
when
blocks
one
two
and
three
went
through,
and
that
will
continue
to
be
a
challenge
as
we
continue
forward.
F
So
you'll
see
that
over
here,
in
the
left
hand
side
that
all
of
the
things
that
are
in
that
kind
of
royal
blue
those
are
the
funded
projects,
and
that
is
the
commitment
that
the
mostly
the
commitment
that
the
RDC
has
made
in
terms
of
leveraging
those
dollars
to
really
kick
start
the
infrastructure,
but
also
utilizing
some
of
that
federal
funds
both
on
2nd
Street
and
on
First
Street
for
these
long
streets
that
are
going
here.
We
know
that,
though
there
is,
while
there's
a
lot
of
royal
blue
on
the
screen.
F
There
is
more
infrastructure
to
be
funded
and
we're
continuing
to
leverage
ways
that
we
can
look
at
grant
funding
and
as
I
as
I
show
here.
This
light
blue
we're
looking
at
some.
Hopefully
some
grant
funding
in
there,
but
we
also
have
some
unfunded
Parks
areas.
Isn't
that
I
consider
that
kind
of
that
Urban
Park
area
yeah?
F
That's
been
turned
over
to
the
city
or
you
purchased,
I
should
say
so
that
is
blocks
one
two
and
three
have
all
been
transferred
over
to
the
city
as
well
as
eight
nine
and
ten,
and
it's
also
important
to
remind
ourselves
that
the
cord,
the
existing
core
building
you
know
that's
intended
to
remain
with
a
development
addition
to
that
for
housing
and
then
the
Garage,
which
is
right
here
on
block
four,
is
the
parking
garage
to
remain
so
a
lot
happening
here.
F
That's
been
provided
by
Som
I
should
I
shouldn't
go
unnoticed
that
IU
Health
continues
to
be
on
schedule
for
the
demolition
of
the
Legacy
hospital.
They
in
the
coming
months
will
be
transitioning
to
the
full
building
above
ground
will
be
down
soon
and
they
will
be
focused
on
everything
underground
because
they
do
have
some
significant
foundations
to
remove.
Plus
the
goal
is
to
then
make
sure
that
they
are
adjusting
the
grades
or
the
soils
in
that
area
to
make
sure
that
we
have
positive
drainage
and
really
creating
that
site.
F
F
It
could
be
Lobby
space
Child
Care
is
a
permitted
use,
Adult,
Day,
Care,
Social
Services,
any
Fitness
or
Wellness
you
can.
All
of
these
that
are
shown
here
are
permitted
uses
within
the
primary
zoning
classification
for
Hope.
Well,
not
everyone,
but
where
the
multi-family
is.
These
are
the
permitted
spaces,
so
Makerspace
shared
kitchen
job
training,
Cafe
coffee
shop,
barber
shop
or
Salon
community
and
event,
space,
Galloway
and
art
studio.
F
So,
while
again,
we'll
really
look
to
the
developers
to
bring
those
ideas
and
we're
going
to
encourage
them
to
partner
and
bring
you
know,
relationships
to
this
area
so
that
that
non-residential
first
floor
can
be
activated.
But
here's.
This
is
a
great
example
of
it
doesn't
all
have
to
be
retail.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
uses
that
are
allowed
in
the
Udo.
E
Well,
I
always
defer
to
Alex
on
the
sustainability
piece,
but
okay,
I'll
sort
of
skip
to
affordability
there,
as
Deb
mentioned
affordability,
is
one
of
the
main
three
sort
of
tenants
with
Hopewell
that
we're
that
we're
looking
at
and
we
have
an
overall
goal
of
a
20,
affordable
goal
for
the
entire
site
and
that
will
would
include
the
housing
that
is
traditionally
considered,
affordable.
So
80
percent
of
area
median
income
and
below
that
could
also
Encompass
Workforce
housing,
which
is
you
know
the
income
there
is
up
to
120.
E
So
we
we
are
looking
at
that
how
we
can
bring
that
into
the
affordability
ban,
because
under
the
unified
development
ordinance,
the
incentives
for
affordable
housing
go
up
to
120
percent
of
Ami.
So
when
we
look
at
that
overall
20
goal,
we
are
looking
at
a
broad
range
of
Housing
and,
of
course,
we'll
have
market
rate
in
as
well.
We
want
to
have
also
a
range
of
rental
and
home
ownership
in
there.
Home
ownership
is
a
little
more
difficult
to
come
by
when
you're.
E
Looking
at
larger,
you
know
more
dense,
multi-family
type
buildings,
but
on
the
8,
9
and
10
blocks
that
Deb
mentioned
those
Parcels
south
of
First
Street.
That
will
soon
issue
an
RFI
on
that
is
where
most
of
our
single
family
home
our
paired
town
homes
and
things
like
that
are
targeted
to
go.
So
we
look
for
a
little
more
home
ownership
opportunity
there
and
we're
in
fact
saying
that
that
it
is
our
goal,
that
a
lot
of
that
would
be
home
ownership
in
the
RFI.
E
D
E
In
the
darker
aspect,
yeah
very
median
income,
as
determined
by
Hud
this
year,
is
91
400
for
a
family
of
four.
So
when
you
get
above
that
number,
you
can
mathematically
calculate
what
that
number
would
be
so
120
of
ninety
one
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
is
I'm
gonna
not
do
good
math
in
my
head
here
so
somewhere
around
100
and
110
000.
Maybe
if
I.
D
Remember
my
that's
a
family
of
four.
So
if
we're
talking
a
young
couple,
that's
just
starting
coming
out
here
so
we're
looking
at
that
of
forty
thousand
five
five
seven
hundred
dollars,
I'm.
Sorry
to
say
that
again,
is
it
a
division
aspect,
no
914
or
no
would
we
calculate
that
because,
typically
in
these
starting
areas
of
that
nature,
even
the
multi-family,
where
we're
not
going
to
have
a
family
of
four
occupying
in
that
particular
area,
to
start
right.
E
And
that's
where
we
have
some
flexibility
as
the
city
once
you
get
above
80
percent,
it
is
less
prescribed,
and
so
we
were
doing
mathematical
calculations
there
for
family
of
four.
We
would
look
at
maybe
110
we're
not
going
to
maybe
restrict
the
household
number.
Okay,
we're
going
to
look
at
sort
of
the
income
earners
themselves
and
what
that
would
be
once
you
get
80
and
Below
HUD
has
a
prescribed
chart.
That
says
this
is
the
Ami,
the
intermediate
income.
This
is
what
80
percent
is.
E
This
is
what
sixty
percent
is,
and
those
numbers
are
not
direct
mathematical
calculations
that
you
would
think.
So
if
you
try
to
to
calculate
all
that
out,
based
on
91
400
you're,
not
going
to
get
the
numbers
that
are
on
the
head
chart
because
they
have
other
methodology
that
goes
into
that
Ami
number.
E
So
you
can't
do
the
math
I
tried
to
do
a
spreadsheet
once
and
I
was
told
quite
quickly
that
that
you
can't
do
that,
so
they
established
that
number
based
on
methodology,
inflation
all
that
other
stuff,
and
then
they
do
that
chart
that
income
chart.
So
we,
when
we
are
looking
at
affordable,
housing
and
who
qualifies,
we
have
to
literally
look
at
that
chart
and
say
for
this
year
for
2023
it's
this,
and
so
that's
how
it
works.
D
Okay,
so
that
and
the
question
I
guess
would
be
for
yourself
and
Deb
as
we
look
at
trying
to
put
single-family
homes
and
such
in
here,
which
is
phenomenal
idea,
great
walkability
and
rest.
How
do
we
try
to
work
this
in
from
a
numeric
standpoint
and
from
a
developer
standpoint
where
we
can
hit
that
average
of
30
percent
of
what
people's
income
is
into
their
housing
aspect?
E
Sure
I
would
say
that
when
we
issue
the
rfi's
request
for
information,
which
is
that
request
for
proposals
to
come
back
to
us
for
this
bit
of
the
of
the
project,
the
eight
nine
and
ten
blocks
we
are
estimating
and
all
this
is
I-
don't
want
to
say
it
is
estimates.
Basically
we
can
we
we're
offering
guidance
in
there.
That
says
we
would
like
to
see
home
sell
in
this
area
on
these
blocks
for
around
250
000.
E
That
is
the
sort
of
the
price
point
if
you're
going
to
sell
and
lower
right,
because
once
you
get
to
250
or
so
that's
still
a
pretty
solid
number
for
somebody
in
the
workforce,
housing
range
it's
still
pretty
high.
The
median
sales
price
right
now
in
Bloomington
is
around
300
000.
So
it's
still
pretty
high.
So
we're
sort
of
setting
that
price
point,
because
that's
what
we
also
did
up
at
Arlington,
Park,
Drive
and
saying
okay,
250
000,
is
sort
of
a
range
that
we
want
to
see
and
below
for
these
to
sell.
We're.
E
Also
saying
that
in
that
proposed
in
that
request,
the
blocks
are
very
different,
so
block
10
is
about
11
lots
and
you
can
do
up
to
four
plexes
there
and
then
you
get
to
block
nine,
it's
bigger
and
then
block
10.
E
We
may
be
reusing
a
building
there,
and
so
we're
saying
come
back
to
us
with
a
combination
of
if
you
want
to
just
do
block
10,
that's
fine,
but
you
can
also
say:
I
want
to
do
block
10
and
block
9
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
combination
that
would
give
the
developer
maybe
some
volume
they
need
to
make
the
numbers
work
better.
Okay,
that
makes
sense.
E
So
that's
what
I
would
say
today
on
that
question
and
then
once
they
come
in
and
once
they're
built
if
their
home
ownership,
which
we
hope
they
would
be,
there
may
be
a
land
trust
opportunity
in
here
too,
then
the
property
would
be
managed
either
by
the
homeowner
or
by
our
department
as
a
rental
property,
it
would
actually
be
enforced.
I
should
say
through
the
code
enforcement
side,
so
does.
B
Sure
one
is
there
any
potential
for
the
city
to
have
a
more
targeted
commitment
for
different
income
levels
than
80
and
Below,
which
may
just
wind
up
all
at
80
percent
or
could
in
terms
of
because
that's,
if
it
development
anyway
and
then
same
for
80
to
120,
mostly
I'm,
thinking,
80
and
Below,
again
targeted
more
specifically
than
just
80
and
Below
yeah.
And
then
my
other
question
is
what
kind
of
incentives
is
the
city
considering
to
help
make
that
more
feasible
from
a
financing
perspective?.
E
E
May
answer
your
second
question:
first,
because
I
was
going
to
answer
it
with
us
with
the
second
question,
so
we're
sort
of
keeping
all
the
incentives
on
the
table
with
with
the
single
family
and
the
paired
Townhomes.
We
have
to
look
at
I,
think
and
Deb
chime
in,
but
there
are
currently
buildings.
There
Our
intention
would
be
that
the
development
Community
would
pay
for
that
that
demolition,
there's
infrastructure,
there's
all
that
stuff
with
the
land
that
we
still
own.
E
That's
number
one
number
two:
if
these
are
going
to
be
owner
occupied
sort
of
jumping
ahead,
one
step,
if
they're
owner
occupied,
we
have
down
payment
assistance
programs
that
could
help
people
get
into
some
of
those
houses
priced
at
a
higher
price
point
for
the
developers
we're
going
to
have
to
offer
some
type
of
incentive
like
the
Housing
Development
Fund.
That
can
help
with
Workforce
housing,
HUD
incentives.
Hud
programs
can't,
as
you
know,
help
with
anything
above
80
percent.
So
we
have
Housing
Development
funds.
E
We
might
be
able
to
offer
as
we
get
further
up
the
site
when
you
do
the
multi-family
the
core
building.
If
everything
goes,
as
is
intended
to
be
as
a
is
a
nine
percent,
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
project
and
then
looking
at
where
we
could
do
a
four
percent
project
somewhere
else
on
the
site,
so
you're
looking
at
tax
credits
as
well
as
all
the
other
incentives
like
tax
abatements
and
all
of
that
stuff.
There's.
B
Any
other
options
like
a
long-term
ground
lease
or
a
discounted
land
acquisition-
part
of
that
or
you
know,
even
expedited-
permitting
right
just
to
kind
of
shorten
the
timeline
of
the
project
yeah
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
because
obviously,
funds
are
limited,
Housing,
Development,
Fund,
latex,
competitive
except
four
percent.
They
got
to
build
a
lot
bigger
project,
so
you're
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
what
incentives
of
the
city
can
have
control.
E
B
E
Don't
know
and
I
won't
speak
careful
to
speak
on
this
I
haven't
heard
much
discussion
about
a
discounted
land
price
I
have
we
have
talked
about
long-term
leases,
the
Udo,
the
unified
development
ordinance
incentives
could
come
in
with
some
expedited
permitting
and
the
incentives
that
we
offer
there
for
getting
additional
height
or
footprint
for
affordable
housing.
So.
E
E
But,
as
you
know
with
that
comes
additional
regulation,
if
they're
doing
a
multi-family
or
something
like
that,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
come
in,
but
for
a
tax
credit
project
which
is
prescribed
60
below,
and
you
know
we're
gonna
I.
Think
there's
gonna
be
some
negotiation
in
there
with
the
goal
overall
to
be
at
at
20
at
least
affordable
across
the
site.
So
we've
got
to
really
there's
a
financial
model
that
we're
going
to
be
working
within
that
it's
sort
of
effects.
E
E
B
E
Think
there
is
interest
and
I
wouldn't
I,
don't
think
I'm
comfortable,
saying
that
we
won't
get
much
further
below
that,
because
we,
if
we
have
a
tax
credit
project
there,
that's
if
the
core
building
goes.
That's
60
and
Below
they'll
have
10
units
of
Supportive
Housing
in
there,
which
is
you
know,
for
permanent
Supportive
Housing
for
people
who
would
be
at
risk
of
homelessness.
E
So
I'm
not
comfortable,
saying
that
that
we
wouldn't
be
driving
that
down
yet
I.
Just
can't
tell
you
in
stone
commitment.
B
E
Understand
that
yeah
I
I,
don't
think
I
could
say
anymore
right
now,
just
because
I,
don't
feel
wouldn't
feel
responsible.
I
feel
like
I'd,
be
getting
out
ahead
of
my
skis,
but
as
that
being
one
of
the
three
and
something
we're
and
it's
sort
of
my
involvement
in
the
whole
thing
is:
how
do
we
get
housing?
How
do
we
maximize
affordability
there,
and
so
that's
what
we're
going
to
keep
doing
just
keep
at
it.
Yeah.
D
One
question
regards
for
Debs
in
regards
to
following
the
overlay
process
in
the
Planning
Commission,
pretty
well
identified
on
lot
one
two:
what
they
want
that,
what
we
want
built
as
a
whole.
How
does
how
do
you
see
that,
from
your
overall
budget
standpoint
being
able
to
be
a
feasible
aspect
based
on
the
conditions
of
the
overlay,
as
far
as
being
able
to
build
it,
based
on
what
we're
seeing
construction
costs
in
a
time
frame
in
a
realistic
time
frame,
we're
putting
it
out
in
the
next
year
or
so.
F
Yeah,
it's
a
great
question.
You
know.
Construction
costs
are
high.
There's
a
lot
of
Housing
Development
going
around
our
state.
A
lot
of
communities
have
the
housing
need,
so
I
think
you
know,
we've
been
obviously
doing
a
lot
of
Outreach
trying
to
get
Contra
or
developers
excited
about
Bloomington,
I.
Think
the
just
the
overall
package
here
of
having
the
opportunity
to
be
part
of
here.
You
know
this
20-ish
acre,
you
know
development
I.
Think
the
other
thing
that's
going
to
be
a
driver
here
is
the
access
along
the
B-Line.
F
It's
just
a
location,
location
location,
so
you
know
trying
to
make
that
connection.
Performers
are
going
to
be
tough
to
make,
so
the
incentive
discussion
is
an
important
one.
I
think
you
know
just
to
reinforce
what
John
just
said
is
the
key
is
we're
not
taking
anything
off
the
table
and
we
are
going
to
get
many
requests
for
those
incentives.
F
I
can
different
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
maybe
just
say,
commit
to
something
up
in
advance,
we'll
we'll
see,
maybe
maybe
that
changes,
but
for
right
now,
I
think
we
thought
it
would
be
better
to
just
go
ahead
and
leave
everything
on
the
table.
F
I
think
with
the
other
piece
that
they
are
always
want
to
come
back
to
the
overlay
specifically
I
think
there
were
some
things
that
really
make
the
overlay
enticing
for
development
and
a
couple
things
like
one.
There
is
no
minimum
parking.
You
know
this
is
an
urban
area.
They
have.
We
have
the
existing
parking
garage
that
they
can
lease
that
may
change
the
performer
for
them,
so
I
think
we're
helping
them
in
that
way.
The
develop
helping
developers
in
that
way.
F
Another
way
that
we're
helping
developers
is
that
the
underground
drainage
system
for
those
Parcels
is
happening
through
the
rain
Gardens
that
are
part
of
phase
20
infrastructure
right,
so
they
don't
have
to
do
underground
storage
tanks,
for
that
water
and
Engineering
is
on
the
line
Patrick
and
is
on
the
lines.
F
You
can
talk
more
in
more
detail
about
that,
but
that
helps
on
their
infrastructure
side
of
it
so
again,
kind
of
taking
and
we've
been
talking
a
lot
of
developers
about
that
those
things
they're
super
excited
about
it,
there's
also
as
part
of
the
coming
back
to
the
overlay
District,
the
reduction
of
the
side
setbacks,
so
they
have
more
area
to
build
on
their
specific
incentives
about
they
get
more
height
with
affordability.
So
you
know
the
overlay
is
helping.
Those
are
four
or
five
different
ways.
F
D
Okay,
Sarah
Oh.
D
The
only
other
follow-up
I
have
is
regardless
we've
identified
six
blocks
that
we're
looking
to
do
on
our
first
thing.
Are
we
breaking
these
off
we're
a
smaller
developer
in
our
region?
Could
actually
do
this
as
opposed
to
going
to
a
larger
developer
that
comes
in,
and
you
know,
as
it
is
I
have
to
put
my
Bloomington
hat
on
in
regards
to
smaller
and
better
and
quality
communities.
J
E
That's
a
good
one,
yeah,
that's
a
good
question
with
eight
nine
and
ten
in
the
RFI.
We
say
if
you
want
to
do
10
great.
If
you
want
to
do
eight
and
nine
great,
if
you
want
to
do
nine
and
ten
great
what
we
are,
the
only
prohibition
there
is
we're
not
saying
you
can
do
half
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
half
of
nine
and
ten
right.
We
want
it
to
be
sort
of
segmented,
like
that.
E
We
haven't
quite
decided
yet
whether
we're
going
to
issue
an
RFI
for
all
of
one
two
and
three
or
do
them
separately.
So
that's
where
that
is.
But
let
me
also
say
we
have
been
doing
local
Outreach,
so
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
local
building
and
development
community
in
in
the
chamber,
and
everybody
else
to
make
sure
that
local
folks
are
plugged
in
when
we
send
stuff
out.
Thank
you.
F
D
C
The
the
multi-use
and
the
kind
of
multi-unit
housing
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about.
You
know
how
the
city
is
thinking
through
this
plan
about
how
to
try
to
incentivize
that
the
people
that
end
up
living
here
are
the
kind
of
Workforce
community
members
as
opposed
to
or
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
way
that
I
want
to
word
this
I
guess.
The
concern
that
I
have
is
that
a
lot
of
development
in
Bloomington,
in
particular
in
walkable
areas,
downtown
end
up
going
to
students.
C
How
are
there
to
what
extent
can
there
be
guardrail
rails
and
to
and
to
what
extent
are
there
those
kind
of
considerations
and
thinking
about
how
this
is
managed,
particularly
given
that
Hopewell
is
being
kind
of
advertised
as
a
place
for
people
who,
you
know
are
part
of
the
community
year
round,
as
opposed
to
student
housing?
And
that
is
always
an
issue
whenever
we're
doing
development.
Housing
development
in
Bloomington,
but
I
haven't
heard
that
directly
addressed
yet.
E
Sure,
okay
Deb
did
you
want
to
start.
F
Yeah,
absolutely
you
know
we're
doing
things
like
saying
it
is
not
student
housing
but
I
think
I'm,
afraid
we're
going
to
make
it
too
cool
and
it's
going
to
be
everyone's
going
to
want
to
be
here,
that's
sort
of
the
the
good
and
the
bad
of
it.
So
we're
talking
a
lot
to
developers
about
restrictions
on
student
housing.
F
While
we
didn't
necessarily
say
that
in
this
RFI
for
eight
nine
and
ten,
maybe
we
should
I
know
that
there's
an
interest
in
Saving
that
on
one
two
and
three
is
that
you
know
this
is
not
intend
to
be
standard,
but
once
the
once
those
rates
are
set.
They
come
into
that.
So
there
have
been
also
some
discussions
about,
and
Larry
maybe
can
speak
to.
This
is
the
opportunity
for
that
kind
of
neighborhood,
association
and
I.
G
Gravitate
towards
so
you
know:
five
bedroom
apartments,
they
gravitate
towards
geography,
so
you
can
kind
of
structurally
make
it
less
appealing
to
them
relative
to
other
options
that
might
might
exist
in
town.
You
can't
just
stiff
arm
them
and
prevent
them
from
living
here
from
a
from
a
income
perspective.
If
we
have
a
role
in
stimulating
the
eligibility
or
I
should
say
the
you
know,
the
income
ban
that
is
allowed
to
to
work.
G
If
we
have
a
role
in
it,
whether
it's
something
in
the
land
transaction,
something
in
the
incentive
structures
that
we
put
on
the
table,
we
actually
can
demand
certain
things
of
the
developer
and
and
income
and
limitations
would
allow
for
something.
It
doesn't
really
answer
the
student
as
much
as
it
answers
the
market
rate
versus
Workforce
right.
So
you
can
say
you
have
to
have
an
income
restriction.
You
have
to
impose
an
income
restriction
on
the
on
the
tenant
on
the
renters
of
the
property.
G
So
you
can,
you
can
kind
of
triangulate
a
little
bit,
it's
not
a
perfect
size,
but
you
can
triangulate
and
avoid
a
situation
where
you
know
it's
a
frat
house
on
one
extreme
Man
On
The,
Other
Extreme.
It
becomes
a
market
rate
when
it
was
really
intended
to
be
something
other
than
that,
and
that's
how
you
manage
into
those.
B
I'd
just
like
to
add
in
terms
of
that
question
I,
certainly
understand
the
concern.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
it's
a
heavy
burden
to
place
it
all
on
the
land
use
again,
there's
certain
things
that
just
can't
be
done
anyway,
and
it's
about
the
quality
of
life
right.
If
your
neighbors
keep
their
trash,
you
know
off
the
street,
and
you
know
it's
a
noise
compliance
with
noise
rules
and
stuff.
B
J
A
F
What's
coming
next
phase,
one
East
infrastructure
rebetting,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
are
going
to
be
some
public
land
offerings
for
any
time
that
there
is
an
RFI
process
for
development
like
we
did
the
core
building
the
video
public
land
offering
so
that'll
be
coming
to
you.
The
land
swap
with
Centerstone
at
Phase,
One
East
is
still
going
to
be
coming
your
way.
You
know
these
rfis
that
we
talked
about
for
eight
nine
and
ten
and
then
one
two
and
three
and
then
sub
complained
offerings.
F
There
is
going
to
be
the
selection
of
an
engineer
for
the
design
of
Jackson,
Street
and
University,
assuming
we
were
able
to
secure
the
grant
funding
and
then
so
that's
a
contract
that
will
come
to
you.
Of
course,
the
land
transfer
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
latest
at
the
end
of
2023,
will
come
to
you
and
then
the
opportunity
for
the
park
along
University
to
name
that
part.
That's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
come
to
you
as
well,
and
then
apple
looks.
Do
you
want
to
take
the
last
two.
G
Yeah,
this
is
a
really
briefly
the
Arts
feasibility
study
that
was
that
was
put
out
at
the
end
of
last
year.
One
of
the
recommendations
was
that
their
the
city
should
look
at
opportunities
to
have
shared
space
incubator
space
for
for
artists,
the
building,
that's
on
the
southern
end
of
lot,
eight,
which
is
what
we
call
the
brutalist
building
and
that
building
was
earmarked
as
a
potential
place.
G
It's
not
by
any
means
guaranteed,
and
so
the
RFI
that
went
out
asked
potential
responders
to
consider
that
as
either
a
Redevelopment
opportunity
or
or
something
else.
So
that's
that
and
then
on
the
501c3
potential,
so
that
you
may
know
that
the
mayor
and
the
Administration
has
proposed
501c3
to
help
the
city
staff.
It
really
expand
its
resources
and
its
expertise
in
especially
to
deal
with
new
development
opportunities.
I
D
F
F
And
so
well,
through
some
conversations,
you
know
if
we
got
multiple
bids,
they
may
have
been
around
the
same.
So
there
is
some
scope,
that's
being
kind
of
re-looked
at
some
adjustments
made
with
the
attention
that
we
are
going
to
get
closer
to
the
budget.
I
think
it's
still
yet
to
be
determined
whether
we're
actually
going
to
get
actually
get
down
to
the
budget.
F
But
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
we
move
forward
with
the
rebidding
is
put
in
some
additional
bid
alternates
that
will
give
the
city
choices
at
that
time,
so
they
can
make
the
determination
whether
they
can
be
at
the
budget
or
whether
a
budget
adjustment
is
going
to
be
necessary,
so
Patrick
any
additional
thoughts.
You'd
add
to
that.
A
I
think
you
covered
it
well,
but
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
I
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
presentation
and
I
would
ask
to
be
sent
the
PowerPoint
and
I'm
guessing
everyone
else.
Will
pack
it:
okay.
Good.
Next
item
of
business
is
resolution.
23-11
approval
of
Community
Development
block,
grant
recommendations
by
the
citizens
advisory
committee
who'd
like
to
speak
regarding
this
I'll.
E
This
requires
a
public
hearing
officially,
so
I
want
to
maybe
ask
you
to
indicate
the
starting
the
public
hearing
we'll
do
that
again
for
the
home
ARP,
but
then
I'll
ask
you
to
close
that
out
once
we
get
done,
but
we
have
our
annual
cdbg
allocations
for
the
commission
to
consider.
I
want
to
thank
Commissioners,
Meyerson
and
Hutton
for
their
participation,
as
well
as
council,
member
Sandberg
and
rosenbarger
for
their
representation
as
well.
E
What
we
have
for
you
tonight
are
allocations
recommended
for
about
875
thousand
dollars,
568
750
for
physical
improvements,
131
250
for
social
services
and
then
175
000
for
the
administration
of
the
program,
which
is
the
annual
allocation
cap
of
20
percent
and,
as
as
you
know,
and
for
those
Commissioners
that
are
new
and
I,
don't
believe
we're
here
yet
last
year
the
program
is
capped
at
15
percent
can
go
towards
social
services.
E
So
that's
why
you
see
the
discrepancy
in
the
larger
amount
for
physical
improvements,
we're
not
allowed
to
award
anymore
than
15
of
the
overall
allocation.
Now
these
are
estimates
and
you'll
notice
that
there's
Provisions
there
are
Provisions
in
the
resolution.
Once
we
get
our
allocation
determination
from
HUD
that
the
citizen
advisory
committee
members
allowed
for
those
adjustments
to
be
made,
I
do
want
to
point
out
one
typo
on
the
social
service
recommendation
side.
The
fourth
organization
down,
which
is
listed
as
Boys
and
Girls
Clubs,
should
be
Beacon.
E
Actually
so
there's
a
typo
there,
so
they
were,
they
recommended
for
awarding
just
as
the
other
social
service
organizations
were
21
875.
So
I'll
stop
there
happy
to
take
any
questions,
as
well
as
staff
that
are
on.
C
C
E
And
so
just
just
back
in
it's
a
good
point,
let
me
recommend.
Let
me
point
out
that
the
members,
the
recommending
body
bodies,
are
appointed
citizens,
there's
a
committee
for
the
physical
improvements
for
cdbg
and
a
committee
for
the
Social
Service
programs.
So
those
those
two
committees
meet,
they
hear
the
applications
and
then
they
make
the
decisions
based
on
scoring
system,
and
so
those
recommendations
come
to
you
and
then,
if
they,
if
you
approve
them
tonight,
they'll
go
to
the
city
council
for
approval
on
March
1st.
So
that's
how
these
come
together.
E
D
E
A
B
C
I
E
Have
Barry
Collins
here
our
program
manager
for
rehabs
and
again
answer
Barry?
Do
you
just
want
to
go
through
each
of
the
projects.
E
C
Guess
I
guess
the
point
of
order.
Is
that
what
it
is?
Okay,
didn't
you
say
that
we
needed
to
have
a
public
hearing
component
for
the
previous
one?
Did
we
actually
do
that.
K
C
J
H
Ahead,
oh
this
one
is
for
a
handcap
wrap.
This
lady
has
been
taking
this
round
for
for
quite
a
number
of
years.
Currently
her
church
members
come
and
actually
help
her
in
and
out
of
that
trailer
so
that
she
can
get
about.
We
only
have
3
500
for
mobile
homes
and
that's
what
this
is
and
typically
on
a
mobile
home
mobile
homes,
as
you
know,
are
elevated
off
the
ground,
okay,
and
to
be
able
to
put
ramps
and
things
like
that
in
those
mobile
homes.
H
You
have
to
take
that
into
consideration.
So,
if
that,
if
that
mobile
home
is
three
feet
off
the
ground
and
with
code
being
1
in
12,
you
can
only
come
down
one
inch
for
every
foot
that
you
allow.
That
would
mean
you'd
have
to
have
36
feet
of
ramp
just
for
this
and
that
3
500
doesn't
come
anywhere
close
to
addressing
that
kind
of
a
need
so
and
this
one
came
out
to
just
about
seven
thousand
dollars
and
that's
what
we're
asking
for.
I
A
I
have
a
question:
please
just
a
question
in
terms
of
the
the
permanence
of
the
ramp.
Is
it
built
to
stay
to
stay
for
well
through
future
owners,
or
is
it
a
some
a
secure
but
temporary
structure
that
will
be
taken
off
for
the
next
owner.
H
B
Just
a
really
quick
question:
how
does
fair
housing
compliance
work
in
the
situation
of
a
mobile
home
where
the
property
owner
owns
the
mobile
home,
but
the
park
owner
owns
the
land
in
terms
of
just?
You
said,
of
course,
that
the
owner
is
happy
to
accommodate
and
that's
great,
but
I
just
was
wondering
about
the
obligation
to
accommodate
if
that
applies
under
Fair
Housing
I.
K
B
I
H
Yeah
this
is
another
one
where
we
need
to
have
a
deck
and
a
ramp.
This
one
is
extremely
high
on
the
one
side
where
the
deck
portion
is
I
do
have
some
photographs
here.
I
can
pass
around
you
guys
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
you
can
see
what
we're
doing
whether
there's
help
cops
here.
H
Okay,
if
you
look
at
the
first
one,
where
you
see
the
ramp,
you
can
see
how
the
it
is
deteriorated
to
the
point
where
the
boards
don't
even
have
enough
material
to
hold
them
down.
Now
we
did
have
a
contractor
that
went
out
and
make
some
temporary
repairs
to
this,
and
he
actually
didn't
charge
us
a
dime
to
do
that,
because
it
was
in
such
bad
condition
and
the
gentleman
who
lives
here
actually
has
a
heart
condition
and
the
last
time
they
took
him
to
the
hospital.
H
The
EMTs
told
him
with
that
deck
and
that
ramp,
and
that
condition
we
do
not
know
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
you
out
of
your
home
fast
enough
to
be
able
to
get
you
a
care
facility.
So
with
that
being
said,
we
had
a
contract
that
went
out
now
out
of
the
goodness
of
his
heart.
Didn't
fasten
down
these
bores
that
you
see
all
standing
up,
you
know
so
that
so
that
they
could
get
a
gurney
up
that
up
that
ramp.
H
We
did
this
in
two
separate
quotes.
We
didn't
want
to
completely
tear
everything
out
and
redo
it,
and
then
we
did
an
option
b,
which
is
where
we're
going
to
win
and
try
to
make
repairs
to
this.
The
option
A
when
all
the
bits
came
back
were
two
to
two
and
a
half
times
higher
than
option
b.
We
can
achieve
the
same
results
by
doing
a
repair.
Okay,
however,
that
repair
is
going
to
be
limited
number.
J
H
Less
than
with
a
totally
new
repair
would
be,
but
the
to
repair
the
existing
Grant
on
the
option
b,
we're
looking
at
somewhere
around
seven
thousand
when
we
did
to
repair
and
just
replace
everything.
We
were
more
up
around
eighteen
thousand
dollar
range.
H
So
we
think
we
can
do
this
fellow
adjust
service
by
repairing
his
deck
and
rebuilding
the
ramp
Complete,
because
that's
pretty
much
shot,
we
can
repair
the
ramp
sees
better
ventilation
and
that
kind
of
thing
we
will
be
doing
some
repairs
to
the
decking
on
the
ramp,
the
handrails
around
it
and
the
support
structure
that
holds
that
deck
up
so
by
by
looking
at
it
in
two
different
ways:
we're
doing
a
complete
tear
out
and
rebuild
and
then
just
a
repair.
H
So
that's
why
we're
asking
again
it's
a
3
500
ideal,
because
it's
a
trailer
and
we're
asking
for
the
increase.
So
we're
going
to
think
of
this.
I
Is
there
any
comment
from
the
public
not
hearing
any
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
for
resolution
23-13.
D
C
D
I
J
H
Weeks
before
Christmas,
back
on
all
that
really
cold
weather
came
in.
We
had
a
request
for
a
furnace
replacement
and
we
went
through
I
mean
and
we
did
furnace
replacement
on
that
home.
But
during
that
time
we
had
that
really
cold
weather
came
in
and
as
a
result
of
little
or
no
heat
in
the
home
water
bite
scrubs,
not
only
water
pipes
froze
until
hot
water,
heater
actually
grows
and
some
of
the
drain
lines
froze
as
well
from
the
Water
Lane
in
them.
So
as
a
result,
there's
no
heat.
H
E
H
C
Ahead,
I
just
have
one
question.
It
seems
to
me
like
these
three.
These
three
different
resolutions
seem
to
be
using
the
same
person
or
same
organization,
because
the
way
that
the
like
the
addendum
looks
the
same
and
so
I'm
just
like
in
terms
of
How
It's
structured
and
what?
What
the
kind
of
like.
C
Even
just
things
like
font
and
stuff,
like
that
so
I'm,
just
kind
of
curious,
I'm,
happy
to
you,
know,
pay
extra
to
get
these
people
what
they
need,
but
I'm,
just
kind
of
curious.
Given
that
there's
a
lot
of
overages,
if,
like
how
you're
kind
of
sourcing
like
how
you're
getting
the
organizations
to
like
bid
on
these
projects
or
or
whatever,
and
if
they're
an
issue
in
terms
of
you.
C
J
J
J
H
H
The
simple
facts:
some
of
these
jobs
are
considered
too
small
for
them
yeah.
Some
of
them
are
just
on
an
availability.
Some
of
these
guys
I
mean
you
know,
they're
the
only
ones
that
could
Club
yeah
and
we
can't
just
sit
back
and
say:
okay.
Well,
we
didn't
get
the
guys
that
we
want
the
quote
or
we
didn't
get
the
guys
that
we
need
to
quote.
We've
only
got
the
guys
that
are
available
right.
H
And
you
know
a
lot
of
these
cases
if
you'll
look
them
up,
why
you
don't
have
my
stuff
in
a
lot
of
these
cases,
they're
within
500,
to
a
thousand
dollars
of
what
I
thought,
so
they
certainly
meet
that
15
percent
a
guideline
to
where
we
try
to
get
contractors
and
we
try
to
make
the
work
right
up
so
detailed
that
we're
getting
really
good
quotes.
H
C
You
resolutions
going
forward
if
we
could
add
a
whereas
Clause
that
just
kind
of
lays
out
like
this
is
within
the
kind
of
like
the
kind
of
band
of
kind
of
acceptability
from
the
perspective
of
what
the
in-house
quote
was
so
just
so
that
we
kind
of
have
I
think
that
will
be
helpful,
especially
since
I
understand
the
issue
of
that.
It's
hard
to
get
people
to
actually
bid
on
these
projects
and
actually
come
out,
but
I
think
having.
C
G
B
J
D
Have
a
question
about
all
the
resolutions
just
either
after
prior
to
this?
The
question
I
have
is:
where
are
we
setting
on
funds
in
order
to
take
kind
of
care
of
some
of
these
emergency
repairs?
Because
when
I
hear
that
we've
got
a
a
Community
member,
that's
been
heating
without
water
from
a
neighbor.
It
concerns
me
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
at
the
funds.
Are
there?
So
we
can
take
care
of
these
things
in
the
most
expeditious
process,
possibly.
E
Yeah,
so
we
these
are
paid
for
at
a
community
development
block
grant
dollars.
So
the
allocations
you
just
approved
I
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
there
for
the
upcoming
program
here
for
those
rehabs.
Now
we
do
have
prior
program
year,
money
that
may
have
gone
unspent
or
that
was
returned.
So
we
have
some
in
the
bank
as
if
you
will
that
we
can
pull
from.
If
we
put
in
our
annual
plans
to
HUD
that
we're
going
to
plan
to
do
this,
many
rehabs
and
things
like
that.
E
We
can
pull
from
another
program
here
to
pull
project
money
out
and
put
it
there.
So
right
now
we're
fine,
but
it's
a
great
question
and
one
we
talked
about
on
Friday.
Is
you
know,
as
now
that
berries
come
on?
We
are
getting
more
rehabs
moving
in
the
pipeline,
so
we've
got
to
sort
of,
and
you
all
of
my
preaching
about
the
guidelines,
and
so
we've
got
we're
really
kind
of
kicking
this
in
the
tires
and
making
sure
that
we're
moving.
E
When
we
pull
it
out
of
a
different
fund,
the
home
program,
which
is
the
owner
occupied
rehab-
that
you
all
that's
that's
funded
owner
occupied
reaps
before
as
well
is
we
have
more
money
in
there,
but
that's
a
much
more
structured,
regulated
program.
That's
quite
frankly,
tough!
So
well,.
D
E
I
D
I
Canarni,
yes,
resolution
passes
so
this
Begins,
the
next
phase
of
our
public
hearing
and
we
are
discussing
home
ARP
allocation
plan.
E
That's
right,
thank
you.
So
the
plan
for
right
now
is
to
just
go
through
the
slides
with
you
guys.
I
have
a
presentation,
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
trying
to
get
to
presentation
mode
and,
quite
frankly,
does
any.
Can
anyone
help
me
with
that
because
I,
how
do
I
start
presentation
mode
view?
Okay,
slideshow?
Thank
you.
Sarah
I'm
used
to
I've.
E
In
PowerPoint
I'm
not
used
to
use
the
Google
Docs,
so
thank
you
for
that.
I'm,
gonna,
move.
The
other
presenters
are
the
other
guests.
Here
there
we
go
okay,
so
the
city
of
Bloomington
is,
as
you
all
have
been
notified,
is
receiving
a
little
over
two
million
dollars.
It's
two
million
forty
five
thousand
two
hundred
thirty
seven
dollars
and
American
Rescue
plan
dollars
that
are
being
allocated
through
the
home
investment
Partnerships
program
that
is
managed
by
the
Housing
and
Urban
Development
Department
through
the
federal
government.
E
The
funds
have
to
be
used
by
the
jurisdiction.
So
we
are
the
local
participating
jurisdiction
for
HUD,
which
means
we
get
our
money
directly
from
HUD
and
cdbg
and
home
and
other
money
that's
come
through,
especially
that
which
came
from
the
pandemic.
So
these
funds,
when
used,
have
to
be
used
to
assist
for
qualifying
populations
as
defined
under
Federal
Regulation.
E
Those
who
are
homeless,
which
you
would
indicate
or
most
people
would
Define
as
traditionally
homeless,
so
without
a
place
to
sleep
at
an
ongoing
basis,
at
risk
of
homelessness,
largely
related
to
financial
insecurity
or
housing,
insecurity,
number
three
fleeing
or
attempting
to
flee
domestic
or
Dating
Violence,
sexual
assault,
stalking
or
human
trafficking,
and
number
four
other
populations
requiring
services
or
housing
assistance
to
prevent
homelessness
or
others
who
are
at
greatest
risk
of
housing
instability.
E
So
this
is
a
larger
category,
but
might
include
populations
for
people
who
have
mental
or
developmental
disabilities
or
Veterans,
for
instance,
who
fall
into
this
group.
So
or
might
someone
might
be
struggling
with
with
substance
abuse,
so
the
slides,
which
are
not
advancing
I'm
gonna,
just
knock
it
out
here,
not
sure
why
they're
not
going
forward
here,
but
give
me
just
a
minute
sorry
about
that.
E
Okay,
well,
everybody!
This
is
not.
E
Okay,
let
me
okay
great,
so
the
uses
of
the
funds
these
are
prescribed
so
there's
an
allocation
plan
template
that
we
can
use
money
in
a
number
of
different
areas:
Supportive
Services,
which
is
a
very
large
umbrella
category,
non-profit
operation
and
capacity
building,
rental,
Housing,
Development
acquisition
and
development
of
non-congregate
shelter,
and
that
is
a
term
non-congregate
is
a
sort
of
non-traditional
shelter,
so
congregate.
Shelter
is
what
you
would
consider
traditional
shelter.
Non-Congregate
is
where
you'd
have
separate
sleeping
areas,
separate
bathrooms,
that
kind
of
thing,
and
because
this
was
stems
from
the
pandemic.
E
That's
where
that
comes
from
to
lower
the
risk
of
spread
of
of
covid,
make
sure
people
are
not
congregating
when
they're
sleeping
and
things
like
that,
tenant-based
rental
assistance
is
an
existing
program
through
the
home
program
that
we
have
other
funds
for
is.
E
Voucher
and.
D
E
In
all
intents
and
purposes,
okay,
so
those
are
the
the
uses,
our
Outreach,
so
the
the
prescription
from
HUD
is
that
we
are
required
to
do
a
certain
amount
of
Outreach
to
certain
agencies
over
a
certain
period
of
time.
Thus
far
since
November
we've
done
32
meetings
or
conversations
with
service
providers,
housing
agencies,
Community
groups
and
elected
officials.
Here
in
in
the
area,
we
have
been
to
three
public
meetings
to
invite
public
comments,
so
those
have
been
via
VIA.
The
city
council
I'll
be
going
back
there.
E
K
E
Two
public
hearings
which
we're
doing
one
tonight,
one
on
the
20th
at
our
next
meeting
and
then
we'll
go
up
for
a
two-week
public
comment
period,
the
first
week
of
March
for
15
days,
and
the
plan
has
to
be
to
HUD
by
the
end
of
March,
which
I'll
get
to
so.
Where
are
we
with
all
this
input?
E
We've
sought
and
feedback
we've
gotten
I
think
we
are
headed
toward
standing
up
a
focused,
Supportive
Services
program
and
what
I'm
hearing
a
lot
about
is
case
management,
so
for
those
in
any
of
the
four
qualifying
populations,
whatever
you
do,
the
activity
has
to
serve
has
to
be
eligible
for
those
populations,
so
how
clients
are
served
will
be
part
of
this
plan
and
how
we,
how
we
State
our
referrals
and
there's
a
system
called
the
coordinated
entry
system
which
you
may
be
familiar
with,
but
one
Gap
is
Assessment
Services.
E
So
assessing
people
in
to
get
into
the
coordinated
entry
system
is
has
been
pointed
out
as
a
gap
once
they're
in
the
system.
How
are
they
helped
that
way
with
ongoing
case
management
and
navigation
toward
housing
and
other
services
once
they're
housed?
How
do
you
keep
them
housed
and
what
are
those
ongoing
Services?
What
do
they
look
like?
There's
also
a
component
for
Street
Outreach.
So,
for
instance,
one
of
our
organizations,
Health
Net,
has
ongoing
Street
Outreach
and
they
provide
medical
service.
E
So
they
have
a
nurse
practitioner
that
goes
out
and
helps
treat
those
who
are
on
the
street
and
then
also
they
have
a
some
Mental
Health
Service
provision
in
there
as
well.
They
could
use
more
capacity
there,
so
that
direct
Supportive
Service
angle
is
where
we
think
we
are
going
with
this.
Based
on
that,
there
are
some
rental
housing
projects
which
are
coming
online.
That
is
one
of
the
categories
as
well.
The
core
building
which
we've
mentioned
to
you
tonight
has
10
units
of
Supportive
Housing.
E
The
retreat
at
switch
yard,
which
is
what
we
broke
ground
on
last
summer,
has
10
units
in
partnership
with
stone
belt.
Those
are
two
projects,
for
example,
where
funds
might
be
able
to
go
because
the
those
are
the
units
that
would
help
one
of
the
four
qualifying
populations
that
couldn't
be
applied
to
the
entire
project,
but
to
help
support
those
units
could
be
a
possibility
there
and
then,
with
all
of
this,
we
want
to
support
the
efforts
of
the
heading
home
of
South,
Central,
South,
Central,
Indiana
initiative.
We
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
E
E
So
here's
our
draft
budget,
the
Asterix
that
you
see
the
non-profit
operating
capacity
building
and
administration-
are
all
capped
statutorily.
So
we
can't
do
any
more
than
that,
so
I've
maxed
those
amounts
out
just
for
purposes
of
drafting
the
budget.
I've
got
750
000,
perhaps
for
rental
housing.
Those
projects
are
in
various
stages,
there's
also
a
third
one
that
may
come
online.
That
is
not
yet
it
doesn't
have
a
location
and
we're
still
working
on
that.
E
So
these
are
tentative
but
important
that
you
know
what
those
are
I
don't
have
anything
for
tenant-based
rental
assistance
or
acquisition
or
development
of
non-congregate
shelter,
because
the
need
seems
to
be
in
those
Supportive
Services
and
again.
That
is
a
huge
area.
I
think
we
need
to
Target
it
toward
case
management,
Street
Outreach.
What
are
those
Direct
Services?
E
You
can
do
everything
from
moving
expenses
to
Food
Service
provision,
the
the
and
I
want
to
be
careful
about
how
I
say
this,
because
I
don't
want
to
dismiss
any
feedback,
we've
gotten,
but
I've
sort
of
try
to
if
I
try
to
synthesize
all
of
it.
E
The
idea
also
is
that
we
need
to
be
focused
in
this.
This
is
two
million
dollars
we
have
until
2030
to
spend
it.
So
if
you
spread
out
two
million
dollars
or
as
it
were,
783
000,
for
instance,
over
six
years-
that's
not
going
to
go
very
far,
so
it's
really
important
to
maybe
focus
it
and
Target
it
over
a
couple
of
years
or
three
years
in
Grant
programs.
So
that's
that's!
Where
this
looks
like
we're,
headed
so
during
the
month
of
February
I'll
be
continuing
to
draft
the
plan.
E
I'll
come
back
to
you
in
a
couple
of
weeks
to
get
any
additional
public
comment
that
folks
may
have
and
then
we'll
do
that
public
comment
in
early
March
and
then
send
it
to
HUD.
My
goal
is
to
have
it
to
HUD
by
the
third
week
in
March.
It's
due
March
31st,
but
we
know
what
the
system
the
HUD
system
to
explode,
because
everybody's
going
to
be
submitting
that
week,
so
we're
going
to
try
to
get
it
in
a
little
longer
later
than
that.
So
if.
E
Outside
of
tonight's
meeting,
they
can
email
me
at
hand
at
bloomington.in.gov
by
March.
15Th
is
what
I'm
requesting
public
comment.
That'll
be
the
last
day
that
it's
up
excuse
me:
that'll,
be
right
in
the
middle
of
the
public
comment
period
that
we'll
have
it
or
I'll
be
posted
at
the
library
and
online
and
here
at
City
Hall.
So
that
concludes
the
presentation.
E
Happy
to
hear
any
questions,
comments
from
anyone
in
the
room
or
in
the
public
and
I'll
be
taking
notes.
So.
A
E
E
Right
and
that's
a
great
question,
commissioner:
hard
costs
for
rehabs
I,
don't
know
I'll
check
into
that
I
would
I
might
offer
that
that
the
expense
there
could
be
pretty
big
per
homeowner.
So
if
we
were
doing
ten
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
one
home,
that's
one
family
versus
any
case
management
that
might
serve
more
than
that.
So
I
think
we'd
have
to
figure
out
the
outcomes
there.
That's
important!
So
that's
a
good
question.
I
will
get
the
answer
to
that.
D
Let
me
look
at
this
from
Supportive
Services
and
what
we're
looking
at
to
try
to
keep
people
housed,
keep
get
their
mental
condition
where
they
need
to
be
and
be
able
to
afford
to
help
provide
them
with
the
life
skills
they
need.
The
amount
of
money
we're
talking
here
is
not
going
to
go
very
far,
no
capacity.
E
D
E
So
everyone
interested
about
Mental,
Health,
Service,
I'm.
D
Just
trying
to
look
at
it
from
an
aspect
of
how
we
look
this,
whether
it
be
in
the
them
situation,
or
you
know
the
medical
conditions
where
people
are
going,
whether
we.
What
what
we
try
to
do
with,
to
make
the
impact
that
creates
the
best
security
and
safety
for
everybody
in
our
community,
including
those
that
don't
have
the
issues.
E
Some
of
the
feedback
I
got
it's
a
good
question
and
that
that
one
may
elude
us
a
little
bit
for
this,
because
the
expense,
what
it
takes
to
stand
up
to
sort
of
move.
The
curve
move,
the
needle
on
Mental
Health
Service
provision,
you're,
looking
at
getting
more
providers
which,
if
an
agency
hires
a
provider
to
be
on
site
for
their
organization,
they're
serving
their
clients,
not
necessarily
anyone
else's.
E
That's
a
pretty
big
expense
number
two:
what
do
you
do
when
this
grant
money
runs
out
and
what's
what's
the
the
a
sustainability
plan
for
that
ongoing
staff?
Support
I
did
meet
with
Centerstone
who's,
the
largest
mental
health
provider
in
the
area
and.
E
A
good
point-
and
they
are,
they
talked
about
the
need
for
case
management
too
so
they're
down,
because
they've
got
permanent,
Supportive
Housing
at
places
like
Kinser
flats,
and
they
are
not
able
to
have
the
they're
not
able
to
maximize
the
capacity
on
case
management
that
they
need.
So
it's
that
ongoing
case
management.
E
There
is
that
medical,
professional
side
of
things
who
can
prescribe
medication,
that
sort
of
thing
and
that
that
one
is
tougher
because
again,
you've
got
people,
that's
both
limited
capacity
and
limited
funds.
What
it
takes
to
hire
and
keep
a
person
on
who
has
the
training
and
the
credentials
to
be
a
nurse
practitioner
or
whatever
so
health
nut
does
do
some
of
that
on
out
and
about
they
have
a
nurse
practitioner
who
provides
Psychiatric
Services,
but
that
one's
a
tougher
one
for
sure.
D
D
Because,
as
we
continue
to
say
well,
I
don't
have
enough
to
do
this,
then
we
have
problems
that
occur
in
those
areas
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
contain
safety,
security
and
the
ability
for
everybody
to
be
able
to
support
themselves
at
some
point,
even
as
we
all
have
had
troubled
times,
the
a
million
a
two
million
dollars
sounds
like
a
lot
of
money
until
you
start
trying
to
serve
a
community
that
needs
help
well,.
E
E
E
Encouraged
by
HUD
to
sort
of
get
it
out
the
door
as
soon
as
possible.
That
way,
I
think
maybe
to
your
point,
but
also
there
could
be
guidelines
or
I
guess
guidance
further
down
the
road
that
certain
amount
has
to
be
spent
by
a
certain
period
of
time,
which
we
don't
know.
E
Yet
that's
what
they're
doing
with
some
other
pandemic
money,
so
I've
been
encouraged
that
we
need
to
probably
get
it
out
the
door
as
soon
as
we're
able,
rather
than
wait
until
some
of
that
other
program
money
is
spent
down,
which
originally
was
a
thought.
I
had
to
try
to
spread
some
of
this
out
a
little
bit,
make
it
more
sustainable,
but
you
can
make.
D
J
C
C
Of
expertise,
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
surprised
about
was
the
idea
of
focusing
so
much
on
the
kind
of
community
support
and
not
on
like
not
putting
any
money
into
rental
assistance,
and
so
I
really
love
to
under,
like
understand.
More
or
like.
Is
that
I'd
love
to
understand
more
about
that?
C
That
is
actually
accurate,
because
my
understanding
is
that
at
least
Nationwide
when
we're
talking
about
chronic
unhoused
population,
that
it
is
more
likely
that
mental
health
issues
and
substance
use
issues
are
a
big
part
of
that.
But
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
of
on
of
on
of
homelessness
is
kind
of
transitory
and
and
also
like
and
related
to
things
like
people
not
having
a
job
because
they
lost
their
job
right
or
other
things
that
are,
or
you
know,
their
car
broke
down,
and
now
they
got
fired
from
their
job.
C
And
now
they're
they've
been
evicted
and
once
you
get
evicted,
it's
very
hard
to
get
back
into
a
rental
situation
and
so
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
If
by
putting
it
seems
like
you're,
putting
all
your
eggs
in
the
basket
of
like
this
is
a
mental
health
problem
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
is
really
a
reflection
of
where
we
are
as
a
community.
Well.
E
E
That's
a
component
of
it,
certainly,
but
not
all
so
someone
could
not
be
experiencing
a
mental
health
crisis
or
have
a
diagnosed
illness
and
still
be
unhoused
and
still
need
the
case
management.
So
when
that
as
I
understand
it
and
I'm
still
a
bit
of
a
novice
at
this
too.
So
there
is
a
What's
called
the
point
in
time
count
which
is
sort
of
a
which
you've
probably
heard
of
it,
was
done
last
week
right
right
last
week,
I
have
heard
I.
E
So
that
will
be
that's
sort
of
a
a
verse
of
folks
to
start
with,
you
know,
almost
under
the
point
in
time
count
how
many
beds
do
we
have?
What
are
what
Supportive
Services
are
out
there?
The
the
aim
of
this
money
is
to
look
at,
for
instance,
that
Universe
of
folks
and
say
what's
out
there
to
help
them.
Do
we
have
enough
beds?
Do
we
have
enough
case
management?
Do
we
have
enough
Mental
Health
Service
provision?
Do
we
have
enough
food?
Do
we
have
enough
everything
right
so
with
so?
E
E
Don't
know,
though,
honestly
I
want
to
be
up
front,
that
rental
assistance
is
the
best
place
for
this
money
and
I'll
explain
why
we
still
have
some
covid
money
through
cdbg
that
has
not
been
spent
down
by
one
of
our
organizations
for
rental
assistance
to
specifically
help
people
who
are
unhoused
or
would
be
unhoused.
So
we
gave
one
organization
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
They've
got
about
75
000
left
to
disperse
in
rental
assistance.
Township
Trustee
trustees
can
help
with
some
housing
expenses.
E
The
state
had
a
big
rental
assistance
program
that
I've
heard
discussion
could
come
back,
but
I
don't
know
that
I,
don't
one.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say
about
it,
because
I
don't
know
one
way
or
the
other.
This
could
help
with
that,
but
the
administration
of
rental
assistance
is
quite
a
bit.
We'd
have
to
find
someone
to
administer
that
rental
assistance
program
and
getting
the
documentation
and
the
money
out
and
all
that
is
it's
an
administrative
task
for
sure.
E
So
are
there
other
ways
we
can
help
I'll
also
say
about
rental
assistance
and
sort
of
housing
security.
Is
that
the
American
Rescue
plan
that
the
money
that
the
city
got
is
helping
fund
the
landlord
risk
mitigation
fund
at
the
housing
authority
and
then
the
county
they're
heading
home
is
funding
people
outside
of
the
city,
so
we've
got
sort
of
money
tackling
the
housing
security
issue
in
other
ways.
It's
not
there's.
No
there's
no
Silver
Bullet
with
any
of
this
I.
Don't
want
anybody
to
think
I've
got.
This
is
these.
E
J
J
C
E
C
Then
the
only
other
thing
that
I'll
say
is
that
I
said
that
you
haven't
heard
a
lot
about
like
do
we
kind
of
hold
back
on
the
money
or
spend
it
I
I'm
from
the
perspective
of
we
should
spend
it
because
there
are
people
in
our
community
that
need
it
now
and
if
it's
much
better
to
design
a
program
that
we
think
is
like
fully
funded
or
as
fully
funded
as
it
can
be
to
actually
make
a
difference,
because
it
will
be
easier
to
get
additional
funding.
C
E
Eating,
well
that's
my
quite
frankly.
Our
big
concern
is
that
we
just
because
I've
been
sort
of
on
the
grantor
side
of
2.7
million
dollars
for
cutting
home
visit
to
yeah
and
two
million
more
and
it's
all
right
now
and
then
what
happens
when
that
money's
gone?
What
do
we
do
for
the
rest
of
the
decade?
Well,
maybe,
but
this
is
all
this
is
all
also
pandemic
related.
E
So
is
there
a
way
to
stretch
that
pandemic
money
out
a
little
bit
and
I,
just
I
fear
and
I
talk
to
most
I
have
a
good
percentage
of
the
people
I
met
with.
They
were
responding
about
case
management.
We
need
more
case
management
capacity.
I
was
like
well
what
what
happens
when
this
is
done
and
sort
of
the
nature
of
anybody.
That's
worked
in
a
non-profit,
is
you
know,
you're,
always
you're,
always
you
know
it's
all
about
survival
right,
you're
like
well,
we'll
figure
it
out
right,
but
I.
E
B
Theoretically,
won't
see
again
so
in
light
of
that
and
I
want
to
say,
I
strongly
agree
with
the
spend
it
now
mode,
but
I'd
love
to
see
more
of
an
emphasis
on
Direct
assistance.
I
know
you
talked
a
little
bit
about.
You
know:
tenant-based
rental,
since
I'm
talking
about
things
that
actually
programs
don't
often
pay
for
I
saw
a
couple
of
security
deposits
paid
in
the
claims
register,
which
is
awesome
yeah,
but
that's
that
money
is
hard
to
come
by.
B
B
J
J
B
Other
what
I'll
call
indirect
services
but
I
think
the
people
who
really
need
the
money.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
for
that
and
I
think
a
lot
of
them
would
qualify
at
least
under
those
eligibility
categories.
Again
there
may
be
other
constraints
that
you're
not
talking
about
right
now,
but
yeah.
Today's
impossible
direct
supports.
Okay.
C
B
For
people
who
meet
a
very
specific
definition
of
homelessness-
and
you
know,
there's
lots
of
folks
that
we
would
consider
homeless
that
don't
qualify
for
that
either
and
then
there's
the
folks
who
are
housing
insecure.
You
know
that
had
to
just
put
all
their
available
cash
into
a
deposit,
Etc
and
yeah.
B
J
B
E
Sure
that's
helpful.
I
know
you
know
something.
That's
sticking
out
for
some
reason.
Just
storage,
you
know
Moving
and
Storage
expenses
are
eligible,
but
I
need
to
check
on
your
repair
question
and
you
know
car
repair
questions
things
like
that.
I
don't
know
so.
The
sport
of
services,
it's
a
pretty
large
set
of
guidance,
so
I
need.
C
D
another
thing,
I,
think
of
is
not
having
child
care
right
and
not
having
child
care
and
then
and
then
like
because
your
kid
is
sick
and
then
you
have
to
miss
work
and
if
that
happens
too
much
you
get
fired
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you
get
evicted
right
and
but
so
you
know,
I
think
that
there
are
I
think
that
there
are
things
that
can
can
be
thought
of
that.
Don't
really
meet
the
kind
of
that.
That
seem
to
not
be
kind
of
discussed
oftentimes
that
that
would
be
really
helpful.
One.
E
Of
the
things
that
has
to
be
to
your
point,
because
we
had
a
discussion
with
the
local
child
care
provider
who
many
of
us
know
you
have
to
tie
the
data,
so
we
have
this
very
specific
conversation
it,
but
for
the
provision
of
that
service,
would
someone
be
at
risk
of
homelessness?
E
We
talked
very
specifically
about
the
data
that
could
be
provided
to
show
that,
because
that's
what
we're
gonna
have
to
do,
it's
you've
got
to
make
the
argument
and
the
data
case
that,
because
it's
not
I,
guess
that's
direct
service
provision,
but
it's
you've
got
to
make
the
case
with
data
and
how
the
outcome
would
change.
So
that's
that's.
K
E
We
have
to
go
with
stuff
like
that,
with
child
care
provision,
for
instance.
So
it's
we
gotta
just
make
that
yeah.
We
just
got
to
connect
those
dots.
D
E
Well
right
because
because
we
have
to
say
it's
going
to
serve
population,
one
two,
three
four
or
in
a
combination
thereof,
that
to
have
that's
who
you
have
to
this
money
has
to
be
helping
those
people
in
those
populations.
So
is
this
family
in
category
four,
because
without
child
care,
if
parents
wouldn't
be
able
to
go
to
work
they
you
know
that
kind
of
that's
what
you
have
to
do.
J
B
F
B
Step
towards
housing,
instability
that
we'd
rather
get
you
before
you're
about
to
be
kicked
out.
Yeah.