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A
Passes
unanimously
under
the
minutes
of
december
8
2020,
I
believe
we
were
all
in
attendance.
Are
there
any
questions
or
comments
or
or
changes
to
those
there's
suggested
amendments
to
those
minutes?
C
D
Commissioner
olsen
seconds.
A
B
A
Olson
hi
dorsen
has
denied
a
motion
to
prove
the
minutes
passes
on
to
organizational
business.
The
20
2020
budget
adjustment.
Could
we
have
the
staff
report
please.
E
Thank
you
good
evening,
pharah
thorson
members
of
the
commission,
erica
coleman,
hra
administrator.
What
we
have
today
is
the
hra
is
required
to
make
budget
adjustments
which
more
closely
reflect
the
actual
2020
revenues
and
expenditures.
E
E
We
can
go
through
the
highlighted
areas
of
the
attached
budget
sheet,
as
well
as
the
accountant
is
on
to
answer
any
questions
that
I
may
not
be
able
to.
E
No
problem
so
in
the
attached,
the
first
highlighted
budget
adjustment
is
to
the
general
fund
and
it
is
for
the
line
items
of
audit
and
legal
for
the
line
item
of
audit.
There
was
an
increase
in
the
budget
adjustment
of
3
000
dollars.
Excuse
me
and
for
legal
increase
in
the
amount
of
33
000,
there's
an
extra
zero
there.
It's
just
a
typo.
The
comma
is
correct.
It's
33
000
just
wanted
to
call
that
out.
E
For
the
next
highlight
item
is
development
and
an
increase
of
801
000
from
the
met
council
grants
for
the
knox
and
american
development
increase
for
the
other
revenue
line
item,
which
is
forty
thousand
dollars,
which
includes
the
tip
application
fees,
so
the
application
fees
that
we
accept
for
the
tif
project.
It
goes
into
other
revenue
under
the
development
development
budget
portion
of
the
budget
we
have
under
expenses
legal.
E
So
there
is
an
increase
of
twenty
six
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
in
development
for
legal
under
professional
services,
other
an
increase
of
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
knox
and
american
draws
again.
This
is
the
development
expenses
that
go
with
go
into
the
project:
property
management,
increase
of
eight
hundred
eleven
thousand
dollars,
five
hundred
and
thirty
four
thousand
obligation
to
knox
and
american
275
000
as
interest
reserve.
E
So
I
just
again
will
stress
that
there
is
a
lot
that
goes
into
the
development
and
for
knox
in
america,
in
particular,
being
more
of
a
complex
development.
That
is
where
we're
seeing
these
increases
and
also
to
recognize
that
we
are
conservative
in
the
projections
that
are
the
forecasting
that
is
done
and
therefore
we
bring
about
the
budget
adjustments
later
after
we
have
had
actual
numbers
and
you'll
see
a
little
bit
different
as
we
move
forward
property
taxes.
E
The
last
highlighted
item
is
an
increase
of
six
thousand
one
hundred
dollars,
and
so
the
inter
fund
transfer
out
enter
fund
transfers
out,
which
is
money
is
held
in
this
development
development
fund,
but
is
transferred
out
for
specific
items,
is
an
increase
of
135
479
dollars,
83
cents,
and
that
is
the
for
the
village
club
project
debt
service
payment,
so
part
of
our
our
bonds.
Thank
you.
E
Next
we
have
section
eight
vouchers
fund
h211.
That
is
again
with
our
federal
requirements.
For
section
eight,
we
have
legal,
an
increase
of
two
hundred
fifteen
dollars
professional
services,
an
increase
of
one
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars.
That
was
for
the
intelligent
and
then
housing
assistance,
that
is,
the
hap.
The
housing
assistance
program,
housing
assistance
payments
received
an
increase
of
288
thousand
dollars.
E
This
is
where
I
had
stated
that
we
are
conservative
in
our
forecasting
and
we
do
not
know
for
sure
what
we
will
receive
and
far
as
far
as
allocation
from
a
hap,
so
we're
very
conservative,
and
so
we
were
under
and
so
it's
an
increase
of
two
hundred
eighty
eight
thousand
dollars
for
hap
received
and
then
mobile
device
service,
an
increase
of
one
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
and
then
internal
print
shop
charges.
We
had
an
increase
of
one
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
for
the
home
improvement:
fair
for
materials
for
print
materials.
E
The
next
is
the
rehab
housing
rehabilitation
and
cdbg
rehab
loan
program.
So
we
over
forecasted
and
for
our
this
project.
Excuse
me
for
this
program
in
particular,
so
it's
a
decrease
of
three
hundred
seven
thousand
dollars.
We
received
fewer
repayments
on
the
cdbg
loans
repayment,
so
that
is
where
we
over
forecasted,
and
so
that's
why
that's
a
decrease
and
then
in
the
cdbg
lead
paint.
E
We
have
a
decrease
of
six
thousand
dollars
where
less
testing
was
completed
than
what
we
had
forecasted
scrolling
down
to
housing,
rehabilitation,
the
neighborhood,
the
fair
housing
and
the
curb
appeal
loans.
E
We
have
for
legal,
an
increase,
seven
thousand
dollars
which
are
contracts
and
document
review
for
the
full
year
so
for
2020
advertising
others,
so
it
was
print
shop
before
so
printed
materials.
This
is
advertising
an
increase
of
one
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
for
the
home
improvement,
fair
that
took
place
in
2020
in
february
the
mail
room.
E
We
had
an
increase
in
7
300
again
for
the
home
improvement,
fair
for
mailing
things
for
postage
and
whatnot,
and
then
internal
print
shop
charges
so
internally
for
signs
and
materials
increase
of
1
100
for
the
home
improvement,
fair
and
meals
and
refreshments
increase
of
900
for
the
home
improvement.
Fair.
E
The
next
highlighted
section
is
the
assisted
rental
and
for
professional
services
there
is
an
increase
in
198
000.
This
was
the
service
agreement
that
we
did
with
veep
for
for
emergency
rental
assistance.
This
was
at
the
beginning
of
covid,
but
before
the
cares
act,
funding
property
license
fees,
an
increase
of
two
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
and
property
taxes
for
our
prop
for
our
properties.
That
are
we
own
an
increase
of
eighteen
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
E
E
We
have
under
property,
license
fees,
an
increase
of
two
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars
and
property
taxes
increase
of
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars,
and
that
concludes
the
highlighted
portions
of
the
I'm
sorry,
one
last
thing:
the
home
improvement
portion.
We
had
a
decrease
of
seven
thousand
dollars
under
home
improvement
in
the
rental
housing
for
future
home
buyers.
So
we
did
not
need
to
spend
as
much
as
was
forecasted
for
improving
the
properties
that
we
own
for
that
program.
So
it's
a
decrease
of
seven
thousand
dollars.
A
Thank
you,
mrs
coleman.
I'm
curious.
Although
it's
not
a
great
deal
of
money
about
the
mobile
device
service,
it
looks
like
maybe
the
previous
budget
was
zero
or
thereabouts.
The
print
is
very
small.
So
and
I'm
curious,
if
that's
like
you
know
we
had
in
addition
of,
is
this
first
mobile
phone
service
or
that's.
E
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
erica.
Yes,
due
to
the
pandemic
and
people
working
remotely,
we
had
the
need
to
add
mobile
phones
to
our
staff,
for
our
section
8
program
and
our
rehab
program
so
and
myself
and
for
the
administrator,
so
the
hra
previously
never
had
any
hra
issued
mobile
phones,
but
now,
with
the
pandemic,
it's
been
very
important
that
people
have
that,
especially
those
with
spotty
internet
service,
so
they
can
create
a
hotspot
off
their
phone
to
run
their
laptop
to
so
they
get
their
work
done.
E
F
If
I
may
add,
mr
chair,
we
got
the
phones
for
free,
they
were
iphone
8s,
so
we
didn't
go
with
the
the
brand
new
phones.
So
we
got
the
phones
for
fee,
and
this
is
just
the
the
monthly
service
fees
that
you
see
reflected
there.
A
Great,
thank
you,
our
commissioners.
Are
there
any
other
questions
of
staff
regarding
the
budget
adjustments.
D
I
I
realize
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
variables
here
and
so
predicting
next
year
is
just
not
a
decent,
appropriate
question,
but
I'm
just
wondering
we
had
a
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
the
public
input
regarding
the
budget,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
kind
of
an
outline
about
how
future
deliberations
about
2021
will
be
involving
things
that
affect
us.
E
Wise
you
chair
thorson.
Thank
you
for
the
question,
commissioner
olson.
As
far
as
process-wise,
what
the
city
council
is
looking
at,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
to
answer
your
question
because,
in
terms
of
the
2021
budget,
we've
already
brought
that
forward
and
had
that
approved.
D
Well-
and
I
understand
that,
but
but
so
given
the
uniqueness
of
this
past
year
and
the
next
year
anticipated,
is
there
a
plan
to
do
any
formal,
large-scale
discussion
about
us
planning
ahead
in
in
terms
of
hra.
E
Thank
you,
chair
thorson,
commissioner
olson.
Yes,
to
answer
your
question,
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
provide
a
response.
E
We
are
looking
at
in
our
strategic
planning
session
to
coming
up
to
have
more
of
a
basis
and
a
focus
on
what
we
will
be
looking
forward
to
do
and
from
there
we
will
look
at
other
ways
of
growing
our
resources
of
funding
for
the
work
of
the
hra,
so
not
just
dependent
on
the
levy
or
the
current
funds
that
we
have,
but
looking
at
how
we
can
grow
the
funding
for
the
work
that
we're
doing.
D
Thank
you.
I
think
one
of
the
issues
that
is
kind
of
on
the
on
dog
paddling
mode
right
now
is
promoting
the
the
oho
trust
funds,
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
always
on
the
lookout.
There's
a
lot
of
awareness
of
of
the
shortage
of
affordable
housing
and
in
many
respects
there
are
many
that
are
doing
well
in
in
the
economic
environment,
those
at
least
that
are
reflected
in
the
stock
market.
D
And
so
I
don't
want
to
miss
an
opportunity
to
be
asking
when,
when
the
awareness
is
high
and
potentially
for
some,
certainly
not
a
lot
of
small
businesses
that
are,
in
fact,
some
going
out
of
business,
but
but
I
just
want
to
keep
that
on
our
on
our
table.
So
when
you
talk
about
seeking
more
funding,
let's
be
looking
at
the
trust
funds
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
A
B
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
olson.
Excuse
me,
chair,
thorson,
I'm
sorry,
thank
you.
Erica
coleman.
So,
at
the
december
8th
meeting
commission
meeting,
the
commissioners
requested
information
regarding
which
other
city
commission
utilizes
a
private
ballot
system
when
electing
officers.
So
the
following.
We
provided
a
following
summary
for
the
procedure
used
by
each
city:
commission.
E
E
The
human
rights
commission
has
a
ballot
private
nominations
and
voting
parks,
arts
and
rec
commission
has
a
voice,
nominations
and
votes
at
the
annual
meeting
through
motions.
The
planning
commission
voice
nominations
at
the
prior
meeting
and
slate
presented
and
slate
presented
at
meeting
and
private
poll
done
via
paper
votes,
paper,
ballots
or
webex
polling.
So
using
the
webex
system,
there's
an
option
to
do
polling,
that's
anonymous.
E
E
E
E
A
motion
to
approve
each
officer
will
be
made
and
the
officer
will
take
over
the
position
after
being
sworn
in
at
the
annual
meeting,
the
outgoing
chair
or
vice
chair
will
read
the
oath
of
office
to
each
new
officer
at
the
march,
9th
2021
annual
meeting
and
new
officers
will
conduct
the
annual
meeting
after
being
sworn
in,
and
so
with
that
I
can
stand
for
any
questions,
but
the
re
there's
a
difference
in
requested
action,
because
it's
what
you
will
choose
this
evening,
a
motion
to
approve
the
recommended
procedure
for
election
of
hra
commission
officers
and
recommend
this
procedure
be
incorporated
into
the
hra
bylaws
or
if
changes
are
made
to
the
procedure
motion
to
approve
the
recommended
procedure
with
changes
for
election
of
the
hra
commission
officers
and
recommend
this
procedure
be
incorporated
into
the
hra
bylaws.
A
Sheriff
orson
here
I
I'm
wondering
there's,
there's
quite
a
slate
of
changes
that
are
recommended
here
by
staff
and
you
indicated
you've
gone
through
and
looked
at
what
looked
at
what
other
commissions
have
done
and
then
drew
the
conclusion
that
this
is
that
the
drew,
the
conclusion
that
the
recommendations
you're
making
are
correct.
It
sounded
like
based
upon
what
other
commissions
are
are
doing
with,
and
I
see
quite
a
quite
a
variation.
A
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
elaborate
a
little
on
all
the
recommendations,
you're
making
one
through
ten,
and
you
know
to
the
degree.
You
know
that
that
there
is
some
thought
process
behind
that
as
it
relates
in
particular
to
other
commissions.
All
right.
I
have
some
other
questions
but
I'll.
I
will
just
ask
you
kind
of
just
a
thought
process
on
it
because
it
seems
to
be
a
it
seems
to
have
been
drawn
from
what
other
commissions
are
doing
and
then
I'll
then
I'll.
A
Ask
other
commissioners
to
chime
in,
and
I
may
have
some
other
questions
after
that
personally,
but.
E
E
In
a
the
previous
meeting,
we
had
a
staff
had
brought
up
a
brown
doing
more
private
or
anonymous
nominations,
and
then,
from
that
conversation
was
directed
by
this
commission
to
look
at
other
commissions
and
so
in
the
conversations
that
staff
had
with
liaisons
of
the
other
commissions,
one
found
that
it
was
varying
between
the
commissions
on
a
process,
but
also
that
it
is
up
for
change,
as
there
are
some
things
being
reviewed
throughout
the
city
on
these
types
of
things
to
be
brought
to
different
commissions
and
so
based
on
what
staff
had
previously
previously
recommended
the
conversation
and
the
concerns
of
the
commissioners
and
then
looking
at
the
other
commissions.
E
Staff
is
recommending
that
we
go
forward
with
a
anonymous,
an
anonymous
nomination
process
to
not
put
anyone
on
the
spot
and
therefore
to
either
do
it
through
a
paper,
ballot
and
or
webex
polling.
And
the
reason
for
that
is
that
we
will
not
stay
on
webex
forever.
We
will
return
to
person
and
so
in
returning
to
person
would
like
to
do
anonymous
ballot
by
paper.
E
Instead
of
speaking
up
in
person
and
just
saying,
I
would
like
to
be
nominated
for
this
position,
or
I
would
like
to
go
for
this
position
or
this
person
will
nominate
somebody
else.
So
that
is
where
we're
coming
to
that
conclusion
from
is
thinking
forward.
E
Thinking
about
the
work
that
is
currently
underway
throughout
the
city
on
up
on
a
streamlined
process,
thinking
about
us
being
virtual
right
now
and
thinking
about
us
being
in
person
sometime
in
the
near
future
and
then
not
putting
people
on
the
spot,
and
so
that
is
how
staff
has
arrived
at
this
recommendation.
But
it's
just
a
recommendation.
D
Thank
you,
I'm
I'm.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'm
perfectly
very
fatigued
with
how
elections
in
our
nation
not
that
it's
necessarily
the
same
way
here,
but
I
just
think
that
that
this
is
actually
a
refreshing
way
to
to
look
at
it
and
it.
You
know
the
balance
that
manager
coleman
indicated,
I
think,
makes
sense
to
me
in
terms
of
of
responses
to
your
understandable
question,
so
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
of
doing
this.
D
It's
something
that
can
be
changed
in
the
future,
of
course
as
well,
but
I
just
think
that
it
removes
some
of
the
the
pressure
of
one
on
ones,
either
to
be
nominated
and,
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
to
just
putting
everything
out
there
as
a
as
a
possibility
until
nominations
through
this
process
come
forward
for
a
vote.
B
Okay,
just
a
couple
of
comments
looking
at
what
the
planning
commission
is
doing,.
B
B
This
is
the
way
we've
done
it
in
the
past
and
it
has
not
felt
uncomfortable.
So
I'm
just
throwing
that
out.
I
feel,
like
we've
complicated
the
process
so
much
by
doing
the
paper
ballots.
You
know
I
mean
the
paper
nominations
so,
as
I
said,
I'd
like
to
know
more
how
the
planning
commission,
how
that's
working
for
them
or,
if
they're,
considering
changing,
because
they
don't
feel
it's
appropriate
anymore,
I
feel
like
they
have
a
particular
their
private.
Your
actual
vote
is
private,
but
it
keeps
your
nominations
open.
B
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
lewis.
I
I
would
add
that
you
know
in
invoice
nominations,
however,
they're
done
and
whenever
they're
done,
nothing
has
ever
precluded
anyone
from
nominating
themselves,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
note
any
other
commissioners
have
comments
on
this
item
or
questions.
G
I
under
I
see
both
sides,
but
I
I,
on
the
other
hand,
kind
of
don't
personally
don't
mind
a
paper
nomination
in
the
fact
that
it
still
will
get
presented
to
everybody,
and
if
someone
doesn't
feel
comfortable,
they
have
the
right
to
not
accept
the
nomination,
and
I
think
that
I
I
just
think
that
if
we
stay
consistent
with
the
per,
I
guess
the
privacy
of
it
is
not
such
an
issue.
G
For
me
because
number
one,
we
don't
have
a
huge
board
to
begin
with
right
now,
but
it
is
something
that
I
do
feel
that
I've
heard
from
other
commissioners
and
other
boards
that
you
know
there
are
some
pressures,
especially
as
you
get
bigger
boards
and
you
get
people
who
have
maybe
been
there
for
a
long
time,
and
things
like
that
that
I
can
see
it
being
uncomfortable
for
some
people
to
maybe
make
a
nomination
or
or
not
go
with
the
flow
of
things.
G
So
I
just
think
that
I'm
open
to
the
private
nomination
and
the
private
voting.
I
think
that's
based
that's
what
we
do
in
presidential
elections.
That's
what
we
do
in
elections
when
you,
when
nominations,
are
happening
so
like
when
we
go
in
for
our
primaries.
It's
it's
private.
Nobody
knows
who
you're
you
know
voting
for.
So
I
guess
I
support
that.
A
System,
commissioner
blog,
I
believe
I
saw
your
hand
earlier.
B
A
We'll
move
on
commissioner
lewis.
Did
I
see
you
with
a
looking
to
to
make
another
comment.
B
Just
to
make
a
brief
comment
when
we
vote
in
a
primary
it.
It's
true,
our
vote
is
private,
but
the
elimination
process
is
not
private,
not
private,
so
you
know
I'm
getting
an
echo,
but
that's
why
I
looked
at
the
planning
commission,
because
the
planning
commission
apparently
does
a
voice
nomination,
but
a
private
vote,
and
that
would
be
very
similar
to
our
state
and
local
elections.
C
Oh
excellent,
thank
you
having
some
audio
problems
on
this
end.
So
thanks
for
bearing
with
me,
the
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
is
that
the
city
council
has
created
a
strategic
plan
with
six
pillars,
the
last
of
those
being
transparency
and
engagement,
and
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
how
the
privacy
issue
melds
with
the
transparency
making
this
a
paper
ballot,
makes
the
whole
process.
C
In
my
view,
and
and
let's
let's
divide
it
into
two
categories,
making
the
nominations
by
paper,
which
I'll
call
a
ballot
ends
up
being
totally
non-transparent
to
the
public,
and
the
voting
process
also
makes
that
non-transparent.
So
can
staff
address
how
they
felt
that
making
this
proposal
achieved.
That
sixth
pillar
of
the
strategic
plan
of
the
city
council.
E
Thank
you,
chair
thorson.
Thank
you,
commissioner
veloga.
Absolutely
so.
Engagement
and
transparency
obviously
can
run
a
lot
a
wide
spectrum,
depending
on
who
you
are
speaking
with,
based
on
their
background
and
their
viewpoints.
E
But
I
will
say
this
one
thing
that
is
brought
into
consideration
with
the
current
commissions,
and
some
of
the
commissions
in
particular,
is
that
there
are
commissioners
or
volunteers
who
have
been
on
commissions
for
a
very
long
time,
which
makes
it
more
uncomfortable
to
newer
commissioners,
and
so
engagement
and
transparency
ends
up
being
two
different
buckets
and
not
the
same
bucket.
E
One
engagement
would
be
making
sure
that
we
are
engaging
the
current
commissioners
as
well
as
new
commissioners
and
people
feeling
welcome
to
join
a
commission.
Mind
you.
As
you
know,
nobody
outside
of
the
current
commissioners
can
vote
for
an
officer,
so
the
public
cannot
vote
or
nominate
an
op,
an
officer.
Obviously
right
transparency
is
coming
into
play
of
saying
here
are:
who
is
nominated?
C
Great
sorry,
I
didn't
realize
that
I
had
been
muted
there
we're
talking
about
the
hra
commission
and
it's
good
to
understand
what
the
companion
commissions
in
the
city
are
doing.
But
I
think
in
in
my
focus
here
we
want
to
look
at
hra.
C
C
Any
other
of
the
multiple
commissions
that
exist
within
the
city
I
see
nodding
heads
so
I
think
that
indicates
agreement
to
those
who
I
can
see.
C
C
I'm
feeling
to
see
how
the
process
is
enhanced
within
the
hra,
with
the
private
nomination
balance.
I
understand
that
a
couple
have
spoken
in
favor
of
that.
A
G
I
just
thought
one
thing.
Thank
you,
chair
with
that
jack
had
stated
is
that
I
recently
applied
for
the
hra,
but
let's
I
want
to
be
clear
on
that
that
that
wasn't
an
it
was
a
paper
nomination
to
a
it
was
actually
to
I
want
to
say
it
was
a
secretary
that
the
email
went
to,
or
it
was
an
online
application.
So
it
wasn't.
I
didn't
go
in
front
of
public
and
say
I
nominate
myself
for
or
voiced
it.
It
was
a
paper
nomination
of
myself.
A
C
C
So
that
is
where
I
see
the
transparency
is:
is
that
the
public
also
gets
to
see
all
the
candidates
who
have
self-nominated
themselves
for
a
particular
boarding
commission-
and
you
know
their
desires,
their
backgrounds,
all
the
information
that
they
share
with
city
council
through
that
nomination
also
gets
shared
with
the
general
public,
with
the
exception
of
some
private
information
being
addressed
in
telephone
numbers
and
some
of
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I
think
we're
in
agreement
on
the
process.
It's
it's.
G
Thank
you
jack.
Yes,
that
does
clarify,
but
I
do
think
too
that
we
would
be
putting
the
nominations
on
the
next
agenda
as
well,
so
it
would
be
the
exact
same
process
as
what
the
city
council
does
for
a
commissioner.
So
I
think
that
it's
actually
sticking
with
a
formality.
That's
already
in
place
and
a
continuation
of
how
we're
doing
it.
G
The
only
difference
would
be
that
we
are
not
or
whether
we
do
or
don't
do
a
voice
vote
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
at
the
final
meeting,
because
the
way
the
city
council
does
it
is
they
go
through
and
they
discuss
it
and
then
they
put
their
who
they
nominate
for
the
position
vocally
versus
if
we
decided
to
do
it
via
either
webex
paper
or
voice,
but
otherwise
it
would
be
the
same
process
that
the
council
is
currently
doing
for
commissioners.
B
G
A
D
Thank
you.
I
I
may
need
some
clarification.
What
commissioner
beloga
indicated
was
that
when
it
comes
in
front
of
the
council,
where
the
appointment
is
done
in
a
public
meeting
which
ours
are
as
well
for
that
matter,
candidates
are
on
occasion
there's
a
process
where
there
are
interviews
ahead
of
time.
D
I
don't
know
that
they
are,
are
public,
I'm
not
even
sure
if
they
happen
on
a
regular
basis,
but
for
example,
when
the
planning
commission,
candidates
or
park
board,
or
something
like
that
were
being
considered,
we
met
on
saturdays
or
whatever
hours.
It
worked
for
a
large
number
of
candidates,
and
so
in
our
situation
we
have
nothing
to
indicate
to
the
public
through
the
nomination
and
selection
process
built
in
as
to
what
the
credentials
or
the
history
or
the
personality
types
or
anything
like
that.
D
So,
there's
no
absolutely
no
transparency,
it's
just
it's
just
names
that
are
are
being
heard
or
seen
by
the
public
and,
as
I
indicated
at
the
beginning,
maybe
not
as
directly
as
I
needed
to
be,
but
we
are
a
very
polarized
nation
right
now
and
so
when
people
end
up
voting
for
somebody
or
nominating
somebody,
it's
like
all
right
away.
D
D
I
would
say
that
the
vast
majority-
don't
don't
have
any
idea
what's
going
on.
You
know
so,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
articulating
this
really
well,
but
I
just
think
that,
given
the
mood
in
our
nation
every
little
thing
that
we
can
do
to
move
away
from
the
idea
of
taking
sides,
you
know-
and
we
are
very
small
commission
we're
talking
about-
and
I
certainly
would
support
expanding
the
numbers.
D
We
are
not
representative
of
many
many
component
parts
of
our
city
in
terms
of
our
residents
and
so
that
that's
another
topic
I
shouldn't
brought
that
in
there,
but
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
back
to
what
I
said
before.
I
support
the
pro
proposed
procedure
and
if
I
would
make
the
motion
I
would,
I
would
probably
do
simply
do
it
as
a
a
trial
year
to
see
how
it
goes
just
because
other
other
boards
have
have
traditions
and
habits
of
doing
it.
D
B
All
right
cheerson
in
response
to
what's
been
said
here
again,
I'm
not
looking
at
other
commissions
to
determine
how
we
should
do
our
election
procedure.
I
am
looking
at
what
has
worked
in
the
past.
What
has
been
effective
in
the
past
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
was
effective.
The
last
time
we
did
it
if
there's
a
reason
that
this
has
not
been
working,
and
I
did
not
know
it
wasn't
working
then
I
would
be
happy
to
hear
about
it.
You
know
I
would
like
to
know
the
reason
behind
it.
B
B
B
I
would
like
to
understand
that
I
would
like
that
explain
to
me
why
this
came
about,
and
I'm
certainly
open
to
new
ideas
and
if
the
majority
of
the
board
decides
to
support
this
proposal,
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
I
wouldn't,
but
I
just
feel
like
something
that
was
working
is
now
being
changed,
and
I
don't
understand
why
and
if
it's
not,
because
we
want
to
be
consistent
with
other
commissions
which,
based
on
what
staff
has
told
me,
there
were
at
least
five
commissions
that
were
still
doing
voice
votes
and
only
three
that
had
gone
to
the
total
paper
nominations
and
votes,
then
we're
not
even
necessarily
going
with
the
majority
of
the
commissions.
B
So
that's
where
I
stand
right
now.
If
there's
a
reason
that
we
need
to
change,
I
would
love
you
know.
I
would
like
to
hear
about
it.
I
understand
what
commissioner
olsen
said
and
yes,
you
know
you
want
to
try
new
things
and
yeah.
I
would
look
at
maybe
a
trial
year,
but
I'm
not
sure
why
we
need
a
trial
year.
But
here
again
that's
just
my
opinion.
I'm
I'm
willing
to
go
with
the
majority
on
this,
but
I
I
don't
know
why
we're
fixing
something
that
doesn't
appear
to
be
broken.
B
But
that's
all
I
have
to
say
I'll.
Go
with
the
group.
E
Thank
you,
chair
thorson.
If
I
could
just
speak.
E
So
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
the
discussion
and
just
a
a
couple
of
things.
One
staff
is
not
proposing
that
the
process
is
broken
per
se
and
then
looking
to
fix
it
in
the
that
term.
What
is
happening
is
one.
It
is
evening
the
slate
for
those
that
may
not
have
spoken
up
in
the
past
about
nominating
themselves,
voice,
wise
or
being
uncomfortable
being
put
on
the
spot.
That's
just
that's
my
understanding
of
how
a
part
of
this
came
about.
E
The
other
part
is
that
there
is
a
I'm
sorry,
I'm
new,
so
I'm
forgetting
the
name,
but
there
is
a
group
within
the
city
of
bloomington
that
is
working
to
streamline
processes
with
commissions
when
it
comes
to
applications,
interviews
and
time
frames
and
such,
but
it
has
to
be
brought
to
each
commission
because
of
bylaws
and
whatnot.
So
that
is
happening,
and
so
what
is
just
happening
now
is
just
bringing
this
forward
to
the
hra
commission
and
saying
as
an
option
to
include
it
in
the
bylaws,
because
bylaws
must
be
updated.
E
If
you
choose
to
keep
the
same
or
change
it,
bylaws
actually
needs
to
be
updated
right.
So
since
that
is
coming
forward,
the
option
is
to
just
have
on
paper
instead
of
you
having
to
raise
your
hand
or
voice
nominate
yourself
or
somebody
else,
you're
just
putting
that
on
paper
anonymously,
and
so
that's
the
difference,
and
I
get
what
you're
saying
commissioner
lewis-
and
I
I
hear
you,
commissioner
beloga
as
well
as
commissioner
olsen
and
commissioner
huhim.
E
I
do
hear,
and
I
do
see
the
the
concerns
and
the
issues
and
also
the
the
pros
and
cons
as
stated
today.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
but
it
is
completely
your
decision
to
make
a
motion
if
you
choose
to
make
one
and
to
vote
on
it.
So
that's
where
we
are
so.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
miss
coleman.
I
do
have
a
question.
I
realize
that
a
couple
of
folks
here
have
indicated
that
you
know
we
are
in
for
we
as
a
board,
or
you
have
indicated
the
position
that
we
as
a
board
need
to
act
in
the
manner
that
we
think
is
right
for
this
board
and
not
necessarily
look
at
what
other
commissions
are
doing.
A
Having
said
that,
I
would
ask
commissioner
beloga
city
council
member
beloga,
as
well
as
miss
coleman,
whether
there
has
been
any
discussion
at
the
city
level
of
making
of
recommending,
because
I
realize
each
board
might
have
to
ask,
depending
on
their
statutory
authority
of
the
of
the
board
itself,
whether
or
not
the
city
is
looking
to
create
consistency
among
the
commissions
specifically
and
how
the
the
leaders
of
the
in
are
are
chosen
is,
and
so
that's
question
number
one
and
then
question
number
two
would
be
you
know,
is
we're
talking
about
strategic
planning,
we're
talking
specifically
about
of
data
in
the
future,
where
we
are
going
to
really
dig
into
those
bylaws.
A
Consider
the
size
of
this
board
consider
things
like
that.
What
the
makeup
of
the
board
might
be
in
terms
of
trying
to
be
more
inclusive
and
all
those
kinds
of
things,
and
I-
and
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
a
a
significant
thing-
could
be
discussed
at
that
time
when
we're
when
we're
looking
at
all
aspects
of
the
of
the
hra
board
and
its
makeup
and
processes
and
procedures
and
bylaws.
A
So
just
that
comment
there
and
again.
If
you
have
any
input
commissioner
baloga
or
miss
coleman
as
to
whether
or
not
there's
a
larger
process,
there
was
some
indication
by
staff
last
time
the
commissions
are
somehow
moving
in
a
different
direction.
I
haven't
seen
any
of
that
here,
but
I'm
just
wondering
whether
or
not
there
is
a
move
afoot
to
create
consistency
among
commissions
on
this
very
area
of
electing
the
chairs
and
vice
pairs
and
so
forth.
E
Thank
you,
chair
thorson.
The
short
answer
to
question
number:
one
is
yes:
there
is
a
move
afoot
by
by
the
city
that
has
not
been
formally
presented
to
look
at
streamlining
processes
and
consistency
amongst
the
boards,
as
that
does
get
to
engagement
and
transparency.
E
E
So
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
ample
time
to
have
the
discussion
to
put
it
out
to
the
public
if
you
so
choose
in
a
manner
and
then
vote
on
a
change
if
you
choose
to
have
a
change
at
a
later
date,
but
before
the
annual
meeting
takes
place
which
is
in
march,
so
to
answer
the
second
question:
yes
does
not
have
to
happen
this
evening,
it
could
be
at
a
meeting
in
the
very
near
future.
A
So
in
my
and
again
my
suggestion
was
we
do
it
at
a
time
when
we're
looking
at
those
bylaws
and
so
forth
and
you've
got
in
response
to
question
number
one.
Does
it
not?
If
I
don't
know
how
long
term
this
process
is
of
trying
to
streamline
things
among
commissions,
but
the
second
question
it
you
know
is:
are
we
jumping
the
gun
to
make
changes
in
this?
I,
in
my
my
greatest
level
of
discomfort
is,
is
around
that
transparency
issue.
A
I'm
I'm
not
quite
sure,
I'm
buying
into
the
notion
that
somehow
this
is
more
transparent
or
equally
as
transparent,
what's
being
proposed
by
staff.
So
I,
with
that
commissioner
beloga.
I
believe
I
saw
your
hand.
C
Mr
chairman,
the
question
was
addressed,
as
I
understand
it
is,
is
that
has
consul
directed
any
group
within
a
city
to
undertake
a
change
in
the
process
and
the
best
of
my
knowledge
and
recollections.
C
C
So
we
have
not
indicated
that
how
the
process
of
electing
officers
should
be
altered.
Although
there
has
been.
C
Stating
that
there
are
some
inconsistencies
between
bylaws
and
actions
that
exist
on
various
boards
and
commissions,
and
we
we
know
that
that's
an
example
of
that
was
addressed
at
the
hra
when
we
looked
at
the
contract
between
the
city
and
the
bylaws,
with
respect
to
compensation
and
the
the
process
of
whose
employment
and
what
rights
each
group
has
and
so
forth.
So
that's
more
of
how
I
perceive
the
direction
has
been
rather
than
to
say
change
a
particular
process,
such
as
how
you
vote
and
how
you
nominate
people
for
offices
within
those
commissions.
A
Commissioners,
are
there
any
other
suggestions
or
comments
or
questions?
I
can't
see
anyone
speak
up.
If
you,
if
you
have
any
further
comments,
I
would
again
I'm
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
transparency.
I'm
I'm
not
fully
fully
on
board.
I
guess
myself
with
the
with
the
notion
I
in
some
ways
thinking
really
outside
of
the
box.
You
know,
I
think
that
I
think
nominations.
A
I
believe
we
could
do
in
a
manner
that
I
believe
people
should
feel
comfortable
nominating
themselves
and
I
I
believe
that
nominee.
I
do
think
that
the
idea
I
like
the
idea
of
separating
nominations
from
an
immediate
vote,
meaning
nominations
at
one
meeting
and
votes
at
the
next.
A
I
do
I'm
not
opposed
to
private
ballot
on
on
the
votes
necessarily,
but
I
I
you
know
I.
I
would
like
to
see
transparency
across
the
board,
but
I
I
believe
nominations
are
important
and
again
thinking
outside
the
box.
You
know
one
approach
might
be,
and
you
know
call
me
crazy,
but,
let's
just
say,
everybody's
nominated
and
then
by
the
next
me
you
know
there's
a
process
by
which
people
uncheck
their
name
from
chair
vice
chair
or
secretary
or,
if
they're,
not
interested
enough.
A
Let's,
let's
go
from
the
approach
that
everybody
is,
is
throwing
their
hat
in
the
ring
unless
they
take
action
to
say
that
they're
not,
and
then
we
vote
from
that
point,
I
don't
know,
but
I
just
I
I
I
feel
like
we're
making.
A
As
I
look
at
these
10
items,
I
think
we're
dragging
out
a
process
a
bit
and-
and
I
feel
like
it's
unnecessarily
complicated
and
it's
less
transparent-
that
I
would
like
to
see
personally
and
so
therefore
again
I
along
perhaps
with
commissioner
lewis,
I
I
asked
a
question.
You
know.
I
know
there
has
been
some
discussion,
but
what
are
we
hoping
to
accomplish
here?
A
But
you
know
with
that,
I
you
know
in
terms
of
my
vote,
I'm
I'm
open
to
change,
but
I'm
not
comfortable
necessarily
with
what
has
been
specifically
proposed,
and
I
also
personally
would
like
to
see
it
when
we
discuss
the
bylaws
themselves.
E
E
Thank
you.
So
would
you
like
to
stay
this
item
until
a
later
date,
after
the
chance,
the
strategic
planning
meeting
to
discuss
the
bylaws,
or
would
you
like
to
take
a
motion
up
around
the
recommended
procedure
with
changes
that
are
the
options
today
to
stay?
It
approve
the
recommended
procedure
as
stated
or
approve
it.
The
recommended
procedure
with.
A
Changes
personally,
I
would
say
I
would
recommend
that
we
not
take
action
on
this
item
until
we're
the
point
at
which
we're
discussing
the
bylaws.
But
I
recognize
I'm
only
one
vote
on
this,
and
so
therefore
I
and
I
would
be
looking
for
any
motion
on
the
table
whether
that
motion
is
in
favor
of
staff's
recommendations
or
in
favor
of
something
different
or
in
favor
of
discussing
this
at
a
future
date.
B
I
would
move,
I'm
not
sure
how
to
word
this
motion,
but
I
would
move
that
we
table
this
item
or
this
item
to
be
discussed
at
the
meeting
in
which
we
are
discussing
our
bylaws.
I
think
that
I
would
ask
for
some
help
on
the
wording
of
this
amendment.
If,
if
there
is
someone
who
could
do
a
friendly
amendment,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
to
put
it,
but
I
would
like
to
table
or
move
this
item
to
when
we
discuss
the
bylaws.
E
Thank
you,
chair
thorson,
so
that
is
a
motion
to
not
vote
on
the
recommended
procedures
of
the
election
of
the
hra
commission
officers
and
recommending
that
this
vote
be
stayed
until
a
future
meeting
of
the
discussion
of
the
bylaws
and
future
discussion
of
these
items.
In
particular,.
A
Miss
coleman,
do
we
have
a
do?
We
have
a
date
certain
for
the
discussion
of
the
bylaws.
I
mean
realize.
A
That's
probably
going
to
be
one
meeting
as
well,
because
we're
making
some
fairly
significant
well,
we
potentially
could
be
making
some
fairly
significant
recommendations
as
part
of
that
process.
And
so
my
guess
is
it's
not
going
to
be
a
single
meeting,
but
do
we
have
a
date
at
which
we're
aiming
for
discussing
bylaws.
E
A
Thank
you
I'll.
Never,
I
may
never
get
used
to
this
and
they'll
be
then
one
person
meeting
and
I'll
be
looking
for
the
mute
and
unmute
button.
Commissioner
blog,
it
looks
like
you
have
your
hand
up.
B
C
Mr
clare,
I
could
not
hear
aurisha's
response
it.
I
I'm
having
terrible
audio
and
when
I
tried
dialing
in
all,
I
got
was
his
echoes.
So
I,
for
you
know,
please
I'm
I'm
asking
everybody
to
hear
what
they've
probably
already
heard
before.
But
could
you
repeat
yourself
please.
E
E
So
any
review
revision
updates.
Whatever
you
choose,
we
will
be
looking
at
the
bylaws,
and
that
is
next
tuesday
january
19th.
And
if
you
didn't
hear
the
proposed
motion
for
commissioner
lewis,
that
is
a
motion
to
sorry
because
I
didn't
write
it
down.
That
is
a
motion
to
not
make
any
change
many
recommended
procedure
or
changes
to
the
election
of
the
hra
commission
officers
to
stay
this
item.
Until
we
have
the
strategic
planning
session,
where
we
can
discuss
the
bylaws
and
have
further
discussion
to
make
a
decision.
A
A
If
not,
I
will
take
do
the
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
beloga.
D
A
No
all
right
we're
going
to
move
on.
Hopefully,
commissioner
baloga
can
re-enter.
Commissioner
hukim.
G
A
Commissioner
lewis
hi
commissioner
olson
hi,
commissioner
sheriff
thorson
is
an
eye.
D
Mr
chair,
given
commissioner
olsen,
suggests
that,
given
the
the
technology
problems
that
maybe
the
vote
can
be
recorded
as
4-0
with
it,
wouldn't
be
an
abstention
but
unable
to
connect.
A
Yeah,
I
I
was
thinking
the
same
thing.
Thank
you,
commissioner
olson
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
categorize
that
that
one,
but
the
motion
has
passed.
You
know
unanimously
among
those
who
were
able
to
vote.
I'm
just
going
to
just
ask
one
more
time
for
commissioner
logan
to
weigh
in
mr
baloga
all
right
so
motion
passes
and
we
will
move
on
to
item
4.3.
E
Thank
you,
erica
colton,
hra
administrator,
and
so
yes,
this
is
just
informational,
that
the
hra
board
will
have
a
strategic
planning
session
to
discuss
and
set
forth
a
strategic
plan
for
the
hra
for
the
years
of
2021
through
2023.
E
E
So
this
meeting
is
important
to
have
to
set
the
focus
as
the
board
to
agree
upon
that
and
then
for
staff
to
provide
a
2021
work
plan
after
the
board
has
set
the
focus
and
agreed
upon
that.
A
It
would
be
best
if
we
all
could
on
to
item
5.1
public
hearing
and
approval
of
of
the
2021
housing
choice,
voucher,
section,
8
annual
plan
and
administrative
plan.
Could
we
have
the
staff
report
please.
F
Mr
chair,
this
new
item,
we
bring
forward
to
the
commission
for
the
section
8
housing
choice,
voucher
program.
F
Typically,
we
bring
this
for
you
forward
to
you
in
the
early
fall,
but
due
to
pandemic,
hud
has
delayed
the
submission
of
our
annual
plan
until
january,
so
we
have
presented
in
the
board
packet
the
bill
plan
for
the
section
8
program,
which
is
a
summary
of
the
policies,
programs
and
operations
of
the
program.
F
So
there's
not
a
whole
lot
that
has
changed
from
last
year
with
these
two
documents,
but
we
do
need
to
conduct
a
public
hearing
and
take
public
comment.
We
have
published
for
45
days
a
request
for
comments.
We
have
received
none
as
of
this
meeting,
so
that
being
said,
looking
forward
to
a
public
hearing
in
a
motion
of
approval.
Thank
you.
A
A
If
not,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
on
item
5.1
approval
of
the
2021
voucher,
section,
8
annual
plan
and
administrative
plan.
Is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
be
heard
on
this
item.
A
D
G
B
B
A
B
A
Olson
hi
and
thorson
is
an
eye
motion
passes
unanimously
to
close
the
public
hearing.
I
would
now
look
for
a
motion
on
the
item
itself.
B
A
B
A
C
I
just
just
want
to
let
you
know
the
status
the
internet
at
I'm
in
arizona
and
the
internet
has
gone
down
here
totally,
so
I'm
dialed
in
using
cellular
services.
So
I
cannot
see
any
of
the
presentation
material,
but
I
do
have.
D
A
Thank
you
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
people
can
see
me.
My
screen
just
disappeared,
I'm
out
to
the
main
page.
It
says
join
meetings,
so
you
might
see
two
of
me,
I'm
not
quite
sure.
What's
going
on
here.
A
Okay,
all
right.
This
is
strange
because
there's
really
only
one
window
open,
so
I
may
be
conducting
the
rest
of
this
meeting
blindly,
but
there
isn't
much
left.
Could
we
have
the
programs
update,
please
from
staff.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
brian
hartman,
as
was
outlined
in
previous
meetings,
we
are
presenting
to
you
a
program
update
at
the
first
meeting
of
the
month
and
a
project
update
at
the
second
meeting
of
your
of
the
month,
so
tonight's
program
update
just
a
few
items
that
I
want
to
mention.
F
Most
importantly,
and
I'm
glad
mr
or
council
member
and
commissioner
beloga
is
on
the
call
and
thank
him
for
his
strong
support
from
the
city
council
last
night
that
has
approved
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
strategic
priorities,
funding
from
the
city
to
the
hra
for
a
neighborhood
loan
program.
As
you
know,
this
program
was
suspended
last
fall
because
of
lack
of
funding,
and
this
will
allows
us
to
and
we
have
opened
up
for,
new
applications
for
the
loan
program
and
we're
very
excited
to
go
forward
and
do
that
work.
F
So
again,
thank
you
for
your
leadership.
Commission,
commissioner
baloga
and
council
member
beloka.
I
think
that's
just
terrific
news
for
not
only
the
hra,
but
this
you
know
the
homeowners
and
have
been
waiting
to
apply
for
our
program.
F
Secondly,
another
great
set
of
news
is
that,
due
to
our
budget
that
has
been
approved
by
the
congress
and
approved
by
the
president,
we
are
have
in
receipt
of
our
funding
for
2021,
and
we
are
assured
of
a
amount
of
funding
that
will
allow
us
to
issue
new
vouchers.
This
year
we
are
inviting
20
families
off
our
waiting
list
and
inviting
them
for
new
vouchers.
So
this
is
the
first
time
we'll
be
issuing
new
section,
8
vouchers,
since
the
the
end
of
2019.
F
Actually,
so
it's
been
over
a
year
since
we
people
on
our
waiting
list.
So
this
is
terrific
news
at
our
next
meeting.
We're,
hopefully
we'll
have
representatives
from
senior
community
services
here
to
talk
about
their
program,
the
home
program
that
serves
seniors.
It
helps
them
to
keep
them
in
their
home
through
chore
services
and
housekeeping
they
will.
We
are
updating
the
contract
they
have
with
the
hra
right
now
with
legal
counsel
and
we'll
bring
them
back.
It's
always
good
to
visit
deb
taylor,
those
folks
and
understand
the
good
work
that
they
do.
F
And
lastly,
we've
had
initial
meetings
with
the
auditors
that
are
on
site
virtually.
I
should
say:
we've
had
meetings
with
them
for
the
audit
of
the
2020
fiscal
year,
which
just
ended
at
the
end
of
december.
They
will
be
determining
which
programs
atria
administers
in
which
to
audit,
and
that's
all
I
have
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
mr
hartman
great
report,
and-
and
I
I
I
I'm
with
you
on
the
vote
of
thanks
to
commissioner
council
member
beloga
for
his
support
of
the
of
the
program,
so
that
is,
that
is
great
news.
Any
any
questions
of
staff
on
the
items
presented
in
the
staff
report.
D
Commissioner
olson
moves
that
we
adjourn
the
meeting.