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I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
there
to
discuss
a
little
bit
about
the
role
of
the
of
Council.
As
in
me,
legal
counsel,
there
were
a
couple
of
emails
that
I
was
able
to
read
prior
to
this
meeting,
where
there
were
some
questions
about
the
role
of
the
Charter
Commission
Council,
so
I
thought
I
would
take
an
opportunity
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
during
our
meeting
tonight.
E
When
when
one
is
a
lawyer,
you
have
a
you,
have
a
duty
of
loyalty
and
a
duty
of
of
giving
legal
advice
to
your
client
when
there,
when
the
client
does
an
organization
that
Duty
is
a
little
different,
and
so
that
is
the
that
is
the
way
it
is
when
you
are
an
attorney
for
the
government,
and
so
in
my
role
as
legal
counsel.
My
client
is
the
city
of
Bloomington,
it's
kind
of
a
hard
concept
to
wrap
your
head
around,
but
my
duty
is
to
the
city.
E
E
This
particular
obligation
is
further
described
in
our
legal
Rules
of
Professional
Conduct
as
well,
where
the
lawyer
it
describes
the
lawyer
being
employed
by
the
entity
by
the
organization,
and
in
this
case
that
includes
it
applies
to
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
government
agencies.
There
is
specific
language
state
law,
it's
about
the
need
for
or
the
ability
to
have,
counsel
for
our
Charter
Commission
I've
included
that
language.
Here
it
does
talk
about
the
ability
to
set
aside
fifteen
hundred
dollars
to
pay
for
counsel
for
in
in
service
of
the
Charter
Commission.
E
E
It's
a
it's
a
complicated
area
of
the
law
and
we
as
government
lawyers
do
our
best
to
to
wrestle
with
that
and-
and
it
can
be
particularly
complicated,
so
I'm
sure
you
all
have
observed
when
sometimes
in
meetings,
the
council
members
will
get
frustrated
by
something
or
the
city
manager
will
get
frustrated,
but
there
were,
but
I
have
to
deliver.
The
law
and
I
have
to
represent
the
interests
of
the
city
of
Bloomington
as
an
organization,
so
with
that
I
will
get
started
with
the
specifics
for
item
5.1.
E
So
5.1
is
an
action
item
before
you
tonight,
specifically
to
consider
the
ordinance
city
council
ordinance,
20
2011,
which
is
an
ordinance
requesting
voter
approval
to
amend
the
charter
as
related
to
solid
waste
collection.
The
process
for
amending
the
Charter
is
set
out.
There
are
a
variety
of
different
ways
that
the
Charter
can
be
amended
under
state
law
in
the
one
that
is
being
used.
E
Currently
is
one
that
we
have
not
used
in
the
past
in
the
more
recent
times.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
very
common
way
of
amending
the
Charter,
but
it
is
certainly
a
way
that
is
contemplated
in
state
law.
So
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
as
to
how
we
got
to
this
particular
ordinance,
20
2011,
because
it
has
been
a
process
over
the
last
couple
of
years
and
for
those
of
you
that
are
familiar
with
the
genesis
and
lawsuits.
E
That
is
a
part
of
the
beginning
of
the
story.
In
2016,
there
was
a
petition
submitted
to
the
city
clerk
to
the
city
and
the
city
clerk
signed
a
certificate
authenticating,
the
sufficiency
of
that
petition,
I'm,
specifically,
that
it
met
the
number
of
signatures
and
those
sorts
of
petition
requirements.
E
Excuse
me
at
the
November
20
2011
ternal
II
have
referred
to
this
as
question
1,
unlike
some
other
organized
collection
cases
recently,
where
the
court
gave
very
specific
direction
as
to
what
was
the
expectation
of
the
court
as
to
next
steps
in
the
in
case,
the
court
did
not
do
that.
We
concluded
that
the
the
court
at
a
minimum
was
requiring
us
to
put
the
language
of
that
petition
on
the
ballot
in
the
form
of
a
question.
E
So
the
question
would
will
be
approved
by
resolution
by
the
City
Council
at
a
later
date,
in
preparation
for
putting
on
the
ballot,
but
it'll
be
something
along
the
lines
of
should
the
city
charter
be
amended
to
include
the
following
language,
and
it
will
be
the
verbatim
language
from
that
petition
and
that's
why
stirring
of
it
here,
it's
it's
two
sentences,
long
and
several
several
lines
so
just
to
get
a
sense.
It
starts
with,
unless
first
approved
by
the
voters
in
a
state
general
election,
which
is
what's
happening
in
November
of
2020.
E
So
that
question
one
is
the
requirement
that
the
question
of
having
organized
collection
be
put
to
the
voters.
Should
the
voters
be
allowed
to
vote
on
whether
we
have
organized
collection,
so
it
is
sort
of
the
threshold
first
question
and
the
second
question
is
the
actual
charter
amendment
that
you
see
described
in
ordinance,
20
2011,
the
one
that
you'll
have
before
you
tonight,
and
that
is
the
question
of
so
this.
E
Tonight
is
the
question,
the
sort
of
baseline
question
of:
should
the
council
be
allowed
to
enter
into
a
contract
for
organized
collection,
so
I,
it's
it's
complicated,
but
what
I
need
you
to
understand
tonight
is
that
we
are
only
taking
action
on
question
two.
On
the
amendment
related
to
question
two,
the
the
amendment
related
to
question.
One
is
already
in
process
and
will
be
framed
up
and
no
action
will
be
required
on
that
until
we
set
the
actual
ballot
language.
E
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
a
statutory
process.
It's
subdivision
five
of
the
statute
that
we've
used
in
the
past
several
times
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
council
adopted
that
ordinance.
That's
in
your
packet
I'm
back
in
April
of
2020,
and
then
it
did
it
in
the
public
hearing
and
now
tonight
we're
having
a
public
hearing
before
the
Charter
Commission
on
that
ordinance.
F
E
E
Charter
canons
number
11
either
tonight
or
at
some
point
in
the
future.
If
the
Charter
Commission
accepts
that
language
in
the
ordinance,
the
next
step
will
be
that
the
City
Council
will
set
the
ballot
language.
This
needs
this
ballot.
Language
needs
to
be
sent
to
the
county
in
August
of
this
year.
In
order
for
the
ballots
to
be
prepared
in
time
for
the
election,
we
have
a
voting
that
occurs
early
on
in
well
before
November
and
so
that
language
need
to
go
to
the
county
in
August.
E
And
then
you
have
the
ballot
question
the
ballot
questions
haven't
been
written
yet
because
we
don't
know
what
these.
On
the
second
question
anyway,
we
don't
know
what
that
charter
amendment
is
actually
going
to
say,
so
it's
not
possible
to
draft
that
ballot
language.
Yet,
with
regard
to
that
first
question,
we
have
a
general
sense
of
what
that
question
will
be
like,
because
we
have
the
language
from
the
decision.
E
In
the
Jennison
case,
back
in
February,
I
haven't
committed
it
to
a
formal
resolution
for
City
Council
consideration
yet,
but
I
suspect
it
will
be
something
along
the
lines
of
should
the
city
charter
be
amended
to
add,
and
then
it
would
include
that
verbatim
language
from
the
petition
back
in
2016
that
team
sufficient.
It
would
be
a
yes/no
vote,
like
we
have
had
on
our
previous
charter
amendment
ballot
questions
and
then
that
second
question
again
as
a
reminder
is
what
we'll
be
talking
about
the
underlying
charter.
E
Amendment
language
is
what
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight
once
that
charter
amendment
language
is
set
either
through
the
process
you
all
have
tonight
or
if
you
decide
to
continue
discussing
it
at
a
later
meeting
in
July
or
June.
Once
we
have
committed
that
language
and
it
has
been
adopted
by
the
City,
Council
and
Charter
Commission,
then
we
will
be
able
to
prepare
ballot
language
question
a
ballot
language
that
will
form
that
second
question
that
will
ultimately
end
up
on
the
ballot.
E
So
for
consideration
we
earring
there
was
a
public
comment
that
was
received
in
advance
and
it
was
provided
to
you
by
email,
I
believe
from
the
recording
secretary,
and
then
we
will
have
the
opportunity
for
people
to
participate
in
a
live
public
comment
process
and
the
the
directions
for
how
to
do
that
were
provided
in
the
agenda
packet
as
well
as
online
on
the
city's
website.
Through
its
typical
notice
information.
A
E
E
E
That
chair
chair
and
members,
that
is
correct.
The
first
question
has
already
been
as
well.
The
first
charter
amendment
has
already
been
the
language
of
that
the
text
of
that
has
already
been
deemed
sufficient,
and
the
only
thing
left
to
complete
for
that
for
that
particular
proposed
charter
amendment
is
to
put
it
in
the
form
of
a
question
and
put
it
on
the
ballot
for
people
to
vote.
H
E
B
E
Okay,
sorry
about
that
and
I'm
actually
thinking
that
maybe
I'll
try
and
find
that
language,
so
we
all
have
it
in
front
of
us
as
well.
The
the
language
of
that
petition
that
the
court
considered
is
is
asking
for
the
ability
to
amend
the
process
by
which
organized
collection
can
occur
by
injecting
a
voter,
a
vote
of
the
public
into
that
process.
It's
a
procedural
amendment
to
the
Charter
that,
if
you'll
recall,
the
Jennison
case
was
about
a
lot
of
things,
but
one
of
it
was
could
the
process
to
to
transition
to
organized
collection?
E
Could
that
change
from
what
was
stated
in
state
law?
And
that
is
the
content
of
that
first
question:
can
the
process
be
amended
to
require
a
vote
by
the
public,
so
we
included
that
the
threshold
procedural
question
to
organize
collection
and
the
voters
then
would
decide
and
then
that
second
question
that
the
Chart
amendment
you
all
are
thinking
about
tonight
is
the
fundamental
question
of:
should
the
city
have
organized
collection?
Well,
the
first
question
is:
should
the
process
have
a
vote
and
then
the
second
question
being
the
city
of
organized
collection
and.
E
E
Chair
and
commissioners
I
believe,
although
I
don't
have
the
ballot
questions
drafted
yet
I
believe
it
would
be.
The
first
question
fails.
Then
nothing
else
would
be
needed,
because
that
the
first
question
passes
then
the
Charter
we
ended
to
include
the
language
in
that
petition
about
the
election
and
about
the
rollback
of
all
of
the
charter
amendments.
Our
excuse
me
all
of
the
code
amendments
that
have
been
adopted
to
date.
So
if
that
first
question
passes,
we
will
still
excuse
me
fails.
Then
we
would
everything
would
stay,
as
is
oh.
E
Yes,
now
chair
and
commissioners,
it's
difficult
to
answer
that
question,
because
I
don't
have
the
language
of
the
ballot
questions
in
front
of
me
because
they
haven't
been
drafted
yet,
but
what
I
think
Commissioner
Belaga
is
getting
at.
Is
that
the
language
of
the
charter?
Amendment
that's
before
you
tonight
is
drafted
in
the
negative
all.
D
E
So
this
is
crafted
in
the-.
On
purpose,
I
made
a
choice
to
do
that.
I
could
have
drafted
in
the
positive
to
say
the
council
has
the
right
to
enter
into
a
contract
for
residential,
solid
waste.
I'm
a
choice
not
to
draft
that
way
in
large
part,
because
the
city
already
has
the
right
to
do
that
under
state
law.
There
is
a
process
that
allows
the
city
to
do
that,
and
so
it
seemed
to
me
unnecessarily.
E
What
made
the
most
sense
from
a
legal
standpoint
in
how
to
draft
this
question
now
the
or
this
charter
amendment
the
actual
ballot
question
won't
say
exactly
what
this
charter
amendment
says,
because
it's
very
long
and
it
will
be
something
much
more
simple.
If
you'll
remember
back
when
we
were
working
on
the
intoxicating
liquor
amendment
last
year,
that
was
on
the
ballot.
E
We
drafted
language
that
we
paid
very
close
attention
to
trying
to
make
it
very
easy
to
understand,
and
we
tried
to
choose
very
simple
and
straightforward
language,
and
so
we
will
endeavor
to
do
the
same
thing
when
we
get
to
that
stage.
If
and
when
we
get
to
that
stage,
but
it
but
to
missioner
biloba
and
Cher
jaren
members
question.
H
G
A
E
We
get
to
the
point
of
drafting
that
ballot
language.
We
will
endeavour
to
make
it
clear
to
the
voters
and
of
what
that
yes/no
vote
means.
Similarly,
we
will
explain
in
as
much
detail
as
we
can
in
the
ballot
educational
materials
well,
I'm,
I'm
thinking
we'll
be
in
that
ballot.
Education
materials
will
be.
E
Both
language,
if
you
vote
yes,
you
are
voting
to
keep
organized
collection.
If
you
vote,
no,
you
are
voting
to
end
organized
collection
and
then
unquestioned.
If
you
vote.
Yes,
you
were
voting.
You
know
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
people
will
understand
what
is
the
outcome
of
a
yes
or
no
vote.
Even
if
the
language
of
the
actual
question
is
is
long.
You
know
on
that
first
question:
it's
going
to
be
long,
so
I
think
it'll
be
important
for
people
to
understand
and
very
straightforward,
simple
ballot
or
excuse
me,
voter
education
materials.
H
And
this
is
a
lot
for
my
understanding
of
this
is
this.
Why
is
this
a
charter
amendment?
It
seems
like
a
very
specific
kind
of
thing.
That's
happening
in
the
city
that
I
don't
understand
why
it's.
It
has
to
be
made
part
of
the
Charter
I.
Guess
that's
my
question:
why
is
it
in
the
Charter?
It
just
seems
like
it's
a
it's,
not
broad
enough
to
be
included
in
the
Charter.
E
Mayor,
excuse
me
chair
and
members.
We
talked
about
that
as
well
internally
in
preparing
the
research
on
this
matter,
and
there
are
only
certain
ways.
Well,
let
me
back
up
and
say
the
very
first
question
that
is
on
the
ballot,
because
that
is
the
method
that
was
selected
by
the
petitioners
in
that
process,
so
that
one
will
be
on
the
ballot,
the
the
need
for
that
second
question
to
be
on
the
ballot.
There
are
only
certain
ways
you
can
get
something
on
the
ballot:
a
levy
increase
for
the
school
district.
E
You
want
to
amend
your
liquor
code,
your
your
liquor,
language,
in
your
charter.
There
are,
there
are
very
limited
ways
that
you
can
get
a
question
on
the
ballot
in
so
in
order
to
execute
the
steps
necessary
to
get
resolution
on
this
matter
and
bring
this
question
to
the
voters,
the
the
vehicle
for
doing
that
is
to
amend
the
Charter.
H
E
Jaren
members,
aye
aye
I,
agree
with
you
that
the
Charter
could
have
additional
amendments
if
there
are
additional
petitions
and
efforts
to
amend
it.
This
way,
I
will
say
that
in
drafting
language
of
this
charter
amendment
before
you
tonight,
ordinance
20,
2011
I,
kept
that
in
mind
and
I
tried
to
draft
it
in
such
a
way
as
to
be
consistent
with
the
high
level
that
we
have
taken
the
sort
of
constitutional
approach
that
we
have
taken
in
how
we
think
about
our
our
city
charter.
E
E
You
know
when
you're
drafting
language
in
a
constitution
like
our
city
charter
is
you
have
to
be
very
precise
in
the
selection
of
your
language
and
and
although
we're
precise,
when
we
draft
our
ballot
question,
we
are,
we
have
other
things
that
we
need
to
be
mindful
about,
and
one
of
those
is
clarity
and
understandability.
So
we
we-
and
we
run
it
through
filters,
our
ballot
questions
through
filters,
and
we
work
to
get
it
to
a
twelfth
grade
level
in
order
in
an
effort
to
make
it
understandable
to
the
most
number
of
voters.
It's.
H
E
Err
in
members,
it's
legally
valid
to
amend
your
charter
using
this
process,
that's
provided
in
state
law
and
with
regard
to
the
approach
that
we're
recommending
tonight.
That
is
my
legal
recommendation
that,
in
order
to
in
order
to
meet
what
we
believe
court
held
in
the
Jennison
decision,
we
need
to
do
this.
This
approach.
E
E
You
know
earlier
elections
in
the
process
are
low
and
historically
low
and
so
having
it
on.
The
November
ballot
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
put
this
question
in
front
of
a
number
of
voters
and
has
the
greatest
opportunity
for
wide
participation
within
the
community,
and
so
that
was
a
choice
and
that
we
factored
and
not
so
that
we
could
get
it
out
to
as
many
voters
as
possible
and
and
especially
given
all
that.
We
have
now
transpired
since
then.
E
B
E
D
E
The
first
question
is
approved-
that's
saying
yes,
the
voter
should
be
allowed
to
weigh
in
on
this,
and
if
the
second
question
is
approved
again,
I
don't
know
what
that
question
is
going
to
be.
But
if
it's
the
language
before
you
tonight,
then
outcome
will
be
that
the
council
would
not
be
allowed
to
enter
into
a
contract
for
organized
collection.
H
E
H
Think
councilmember
bolongo
wish
you
were
getting
at
is
you
vote
results
for
one
question
that
conflicts
with
the
vote
result
of
the
other
question.
Thank
you.
It
sounds
like
you're
assuring
us
that
you'll
draft
or
the
language
will
be
drafted
in
such
a
way
or
you
will
ensure
that
the
language
is
such
that
that
can't
happen,
that
we
can't
have
two
conflicting
results.
Is
that
correct.
E
Chair
and
commissioners,
that
is
our
that
that
has
been
thoroughly
discussed,
and
we
believe
that
we
have
a
plan
to
ensure
that
that
that
is
an
understood
part
of
the
process
when
people
are
make
casting
their
votes.
I'll
also
add
that
this
is
that
these
are
the
types
of
questions
that
have
to
be
approved
by
in
the
affirmative,
51
percent
of
the
voters,
and
so,
if
a
person
doesn't
vote
on
it,
if
they
don't
they
leave
it
blank
it
doesn't.
E
It
doesn't
get
calculated
into
the
math
of
the
approval,
and
so
that's
an
additional
consideration
that
we
have
before
us
and
that
the
questions
we
have
to
be
mindful
that
an
affirmative
vote,
a
yes
vote,
51%,
yes
vote,
will
be
a
will
result
in
a
in
approval
of
that
ballot.
Question
Oh
also
factored
into
how
we
drafted
the
questions
of
the
amendments.
E
And
members,
a
charter
amendment
vote
is
different
than
a
constitutional
amendment
of
the
state
constitution.
The
law
is
different
on
that
and,
if
you
remember
back
from
from
the
recent
more
recent
state
constitution
amendments,
there
was
a
lot
of
language
about.
You
know
the
implications
of
a
yes
or
a
No
or
a
non
vote
that
does
not
apply
to
a
city
ballot
question.
The
law
is
different.
H
Well,
I
think
you
just
I'm
sure
I
think
you
just
supported
what
I
was
getting
at
my
follow-up
to.
That
would
be
then,
if
this
whole
thing
doesn't
to
the
ballot
and
in
crystal
clear
fashion,
and
we
run
the
risk
of
a
large
number
of
voters
not
voting
on
this
issue,
then
we
are
at
risk
of
a
very
small
group
of
people
determining
the
outcome
of
the
issue,
whereas
I
think
we
would
all
would
agree.
E
H
Concerns
as
well
as
I
will
tell
you,
while
I
am
in
favor
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
think
thing
wrong
was
saying
that
at
this
point
at
least
I
am
in
favor
of
the
current
system.
I
am
nonetheless
supportive
of
the
argument,
given
our
current
situation
with
respect
to
meetings
and
regardless
of
irrespective
of
what
we're
doing
all
tonight,
I
am
supportive
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
by
in
just
a
few
just
a
very
few
emails
that
we've
gotten
presents.
H
B
B
E
E
We
made
the
choice
earlier
in
the
process
with
the
decision
came
down
in
February.
We
we
met
with
the
council
shortly
thereafter
and
we
started
that
process
we're
now
in
April,
or
we
at
the
council
adopted
an
ordinance
in
April.
We
noticed
the
the
language
in
the
beginning
of
April,
so
we
reacted
as
quickly
as
we
could
after
that
February
decision.
E
I'm
glad
that
we
made
the
choice
to
put
it
on
the
November
ballot
and
that
it
gives
the
voter
additional
time
to
understand
what
they're
being
asked
to
vote
on,
and
it
gives
us
additional
time
to
educate
the
voters
and
get
that
information
out
to
them
in
all
the
various
ways
that
we
can
do
that.
So
I
too
share
your
concerns
about
that.
I
think
that
we
have
we.
E
Our
excuse
me
on
the
same
ballot
on
purpose,
in
order
to
get
resolution
on
this
as
quickly
as
possible,
with
the
greatest
voter
turnout
likelihood,
and
so
that
is
in
large
part
driving
the
recommendation
and
the
timeline.
That's
before
you
I
I.
Think
that
also
add
that
when
I
was
formulating
the
process
for
this
looking
through
state
law,
I
I
added
the
I
I
went
the
step
further
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
public
hearing
at
the
Charter
Commission
tonight.
E
Creating
that
additional
opportunity-
and
we
you
know-
we've
thought
as
many
opportunities
as
we
can
from
to
collect
people's
information,
and
we
continue
to
collect
their
comments
and
would
continue
to
forward
it
to
the
current
Charter
Commission
in
the
City
Council,
we'll
have
in
as
much
as
the
global
pandemic
allows.
We'll
have
information
I'll.
E
You
know
learning
opportunities
about
this
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
I,
don't
know
what
format
it's
all
going
to
take
a
lot
of.
It
is
driven
by
our
Public,
Health
Authority
and
what's
safe
to
do,
but
I
can
promise
you
that
we're
committed
at
the
staff
level
to
getting
the
information
out
there
in
as
many
languages
and
as
many
times
and
methods
as
possible,
because
this
is
really
important
to
a
lot
of
people,
including
the
staff.
C
C
Good,
thank
you
very
much.
So
I
have
a
couple
just
a
little
question
and
then
a
broader
question.
So
I'm
looking
at
question
number
one
and
there
are
two
questions
I
have
about
it.
One
is
the
language
in
it.
In
the
very
beginning,
says
the
majority
of
voters
and
counsel.
You
may
have
already
clarified
this,
but
I
take
it
that
that
means.
Let
me
ask
the
question:
does
that
mean
the
majority
of
voters
who
could
vote
or
the
majority
of
voters
who
vote.
E
C
E
C
E
Members
what
commissioner
Nelson
is
speaking
about
right
now
is
the
language
from
the
Jennison
court
case,
the
language
of
the
petition
and
I.
We
didn't
select
that
language.
The
city
didn't
didn't,
select
that
language
that
we've
selected
by
the
petitioners
I
I
having
having
participated
in
the
litigation
for
the
last
couple
of
years
since
I
joined
the
city,
I
I
think
that
we've
been
debating
in
in
the
courts,
what
it
means
and
the
intent
of
it
and
so
I'm
not
inclined
to
synthesize
it
in
any
way.
E
C
E
C
C
E
I
will
recommend
a
concurrent
session
of
the
two
bodies,
because
I
think
it's
very
important
for
public
policy
reasons
and
for
clarity.
The
two
bodies
have
a
shared
consensus
and
understanding
about
what
that
amendment
is
going
to
be.
It's
too
important.
It's
too
important,
in
my
opinion,
too,
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
a
ping-pong
match.
Shifting
back
and
forth.
We
need
to
come
to
a
consensus
and
represent
the
views
of
or
take
a
position
on
on
behalf
of
the
citizens
and
on
behalf
of
the
public
in
the
city
of
Bloomington.
So
thank.
C
You
so
and
I
agree
I,
don't
think
I'm,
not
sure
it's
a
legal
question
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
but
I
take
it
in
your
efforts
at
drafting
and
at
the
council's
in
connection
with
the
council
efforts
at
drafting
you
and
they
worked
your
best
to
create
language
in
the
charter
amendment
that
would
reflect
the
petition.
If
the
petition
language
was
passed
in
question,
one
correct.
E
E
I,
don't
want
to
say
impetus
or
litigation,
but
it
seemed
like
the
that
the
petitioners
we're
looking
for
an
up
or
down
vote
on
this.
They
were
looking
for
and
again
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I.
Wasn't
there
at
the
time
I'm
just
basing
this
on
red
and
my
experiences,
it
seemed
to
me
that
that
felt
most
true
to
the
litigation
I
will
also
say
that
what
I
mentioned
earlier
in
that
I
don't
typically
see
charter
amendments
that
are
excuse
me,
charter
language,
that
simply
reiterates.
E
What's
already
in
state
law,
the
Charter
is
meant
to
distinguish
the
unique
nature
of
how
we
want
the
city
of
Bloomington
to
be
so
to
simply
say
what
the
state
law
already
allows
us
to
do
doesn't
seem
to
be
necessary.
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
added
value
to
the
Charter
or
in
any
way
distinguish
it
from
what
we
already
can
do.
I
thought
it
would
be
more
clear,
I
thought
and
then
lastly,
I
thought
it
would
be
a
more
clear
outcome.
So.
E
C
Thank
you
for
that,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
way
that
they're
being
communicated
the
public
is
that
what
we
are
saying
in
question.
One
in
question:
two
is:
if
you
vote
YES
on
question
one
then
here
is
the
language
that
we
think
faithfully
implements
the
underlying
policy
and
goal
of
your
answer
to
question
one
so
that
there
you're
drafting
and
the
council's
position
I
take
it
are,
are
meant
to
be
implementing
and
coordinating
with
each
other.
E
Chair
members,
I
can't
read
into
the
minds
of
the
City
Council
when
they
when
they
acted
on
this
matter.
There
was
a
great
deal
of
discussion,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
it
was
a.
It
was
a
technical
and
a
legal
decision
to
draft
it.
The
way
that
we
did,
we
spent
a
great
deal
of
time,
discussing
it
and
and
and
landed
on
the
on
the
approach.
That's
before
you
tonight,
thanks.
C
E
Members,
state
law
provides
only
a
certain
amount
of
time
for
you.
You
consider
this
I
included
the
language
here
in
case
we
needed
it,
and
if
we
run
out
of
time,
then,
if,
if
we,
if
we
aren't
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
about
what
this
charter
amendment
language
is
going
to
be,
then
we
won't
be
able
to
set
the
form
of
the
ballot
question,
but
that
first
question
will
still
be
on
the
ballot.
E
E
H
H
E
H
With
respect
to
this
question
of
transparency,
which
is
you
know,
this
is
the
big
deal
deal
Bloomington
these
days
is
City
Hall
doesn't
tell
anybody
about
anything.
I,
don't
agree
with
that,
but
that's
the
per
seat.
That's
a
perception!
So
there's
this
tension
here
between
moving
too
fast
versus
moving
too
slowly
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
what
our
exposure
as
a
city
is
with
respect
to
one
or
the
other.
B
H
H
If
we
had
that
kind
of
accompanying
explanations
with
this
single
ballot
question
that
that
would
get
us
to
where
we
needed
to
get-
and
that
is
if
it's
voted,
if
it's
voted
down,
then
we
are
able
to
kiss
it
easy
able
to
continue
to
run
its
trash
collection.
The
way
at
once.
If
it's
voted
in
the
fate
and
and
if
it's
more
in
favor,
then
the
voters
are
saying
no.
You
can't
do
that.
Wouldn't
that
be
sufficient
to
get
us
where
we
need
to
get.
E
Members
aye
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that
that's
a
reasonable
conclusion
to
arrive
at,
but
from
from
our
analysis,
we
believed
we
concluded
out
that
this
two-step
question
our
two-step
process
on
the
questions
is
required
because
it's
not
clear
enough
from
the
first
question
as
to
what
is
happening
there.
It
because
lawsuit
the
Jennison
lawsuits
were
about
the
process
of
organizing
collection
about
what
what
would
the
process?
E
That's
in
state
law
be
altered
and
the
litigation
talked
about
that
and
in
a
couple
of
other
topics
as
well,
but
we
believed
again
because
the
court
did
not
provide
us
with
specific
next
steps.
We
believe
and
are
recommending
this
this
two
question
process
so
that
it's
crystal
clear
what
the
voters
are
seeking
to
do.
The
ballot
education,
just
as
an
aside
the
ballot
education
material
is,
is
not
legal
right.
It's
it's
just
our
effort
to
try
and
explain
it.
Some
of
the
voters
aren't
going
to
see
it
because
they
won't
you
know
they'll.
E
F
G
E
Members
I
can
address
that.
We
worked
through
that
same
contradiction
in
in
that
first
question
in
it
was
in
part
why
we
believe
there
needs
to
be
a
second
question,
because
if
you
look
at
the
petition
language
that
I'm
sharing
on
my
screen
right
now,
it
talks
about
how
the
city
shall
not
replace
the
competitive
marketplace
with
a
system
of
organized
collection.
Essentially,
since
that's
already
happened,
we
had
some
concerns
when
discussing
this,
that
this
would
be
confusing
for
voters
at
this
stage
in
the
in
the
process.
E
Right,
four
years
later,
four
and
a
half
years
later
and
in
part
led
to
the.
We
believe
the
need
to
have
the
second
question,
which
would
make
it
crystal
clear
to
people
that
they
were
voting.
Yes,
they
want
to
keep
organized
collection,
are
no
there
they're
done
with
organized
collection
because
of
the
way
that
the
language
was
stated
in
the
past.
E
Now,
with
regard
to
the
contract,
Commissioner
Beluga,
we
have
a
contract
in
place
right
now,
with
the
haulers,
that's
called
the
consortium,
which
is
the
group
of
of
haulers,
that
pick
up
the
trash
and
that
contract
by
its
terms,
ends
on
December
21st
of
2020.
We
are,
as
the
council
has
authorized,
to
have
to
do.
We
provided
that
final
link.
We
have
working
towards.
E
Finalization
of
that
language
and
have
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
making
sure
that
both
the
consortium
in
the
city
understands
the
termination
language,
because,
as
a
result
of
this
election,
potentially
on
these
on
these
two
questions
that
contract
could
be
rendered
invalid,
we
would
lose
our
authority
to
be
in
that
contract.
If
this
question
or
this
charter
amendment
goes
becomes
effective.
E
So
we
very
very
carefully
and
diligently.
He
drafted
the
termination
clauses
and
amended
the
language
to
apply
to
the
original
agreement.
That's
in
place
right
now
to
address
all
of
the
various
possibilities
of
the
November
20
2011
and
have
engaged
in
a
conversation
to
make
it
crystal
with
a
consortium
to
make
it
crystal
clear
what
is
happening,
what
is
required
of
the
law,
what
is
happening
as
a
result
of
the
election
and
what
is
the
implication
on
the
contract,
both
the
new
contract,
as
well
as
the
original
contract.
E
So
we
have
endeavored
to
to
clarify
and
and
wrap
all
of
that
up
and
to
add,
and
because
the
ballot
questions
are
not
effective
immediately,
there
are
effective
30
days
later.
That
is
also
a
part
of
our
conversations
and
analysis
on
how
to
terminate
that
contract.
So
I
think
you
all
can
get
the
sense
of
how
complicated
all
of
this
is
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
make
it
crystal
clear
for
all
of
the
various
parties
that
are
involved
as
to
what
is
what
will
be
the
implication
of
keeping
organized
collection.
E
Darrin
commissioners,
if,
if,
if
the
Charter
is
amended
to
include
the
language,
that's
in
ordinance,
20
2011,
because
that
ballot
question
passed
in
November
of
2020
the
council,
will
the
city
will
lose
its
its
authority
to
have
a
contract
for
organized
collection
upon
the
effective
date
of
that
charter?
Amendment
in
early
December
of
2020.
D
D
D
B
B
If
not
I
will
open
up
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
meeting
to
hear
from
citizens
who
have
an
interest
in
this
item.
I
would
add.
I
would
ask
that
Commissioner
that
residents
state
their
name
and
their
address
for
the
record
and
to
also
keep
their
comments
to
three
minutes
or
fewer,
and
with
that
again
I'm
opening
up
the
public
hearing
portion.
A
F
Yes,
so.
E
F
F
Alright,
my
name
is
Joel
Jonathan
I'm.
Actually,
the
the
named
person
on
this
on
the
lawsuit
said
of
I'm
going
through
anyhow,
these
the
going
way
back-
and
you
know
I-
never
thought
we'd
be
here
five
years
later
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
and
even
when
we're
at
the
Supreme
Court
I,
don't
think
the
Supreme
Court
thought
that
we
should
be
here
in
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
because
one
of
the
one
of
the
judges
even
asked
that
specific
question.
Why
are
we
here?
F
Why
hasn't
this
been
put
to
the
ballot
so
anyhow,
P
and
and
Pauli?
Our
intent
was
to
just
make
sure
the
citizens
were
represented.
The
citizens
had
a
voice
in
the
process,
and
you
know
be
going
through
this
and
listening
to
the
City
Attorney's
comments.
They
seemed
very
pointed
towards
the
city.
The
city
incorporated.
F
G
F
Very
minimum
I
would
encourage
the
Charter
Commission
to
put
this
on
hold.
You
know
we
were
in
litigation
for
four
years.
I
would
I
would
anticipate
having
a
fresh
outside
counsel
would
provide
a
great
benefit
to
to
understanding
the
scenario
to
see
what
what
you
know.
Somebody
else
might
think,
instead
of
somebody
who
you
know
probably
has
a
a
city
incorporated
bias
and
somebody
else
who
has
a
fresh
look
at
what
fresh,
looking
a
fresh
interpretation
of
what
you
know,
what
the
rulings
from
the
Supreme
Court
had
said
so
I
mean.
F
Ultimately,
they
said
the
city
was
wrong.
The
city
acted
illegally
and
you
know
why
are
we
here
put
this
on
the
ballot
so
yeah?
The
good
thing
is
we
got
our
question
on
the
ballot
and
now
it
seems
we're
in
a
position
again
where
you
know
the
city
is
trying
to
do
things
so
that
they
can.
They
can
still
have
their
organized
collection.
You.
F
F
Okay,
the
first
question
also
still
allows
the
city
to
go
down
the
path
of
choosing
an
alternative,
an
alternative
system.
You
know
if
they
want,
if
they
want
to
make
it
a
municipal
system.
You
know,
there's
nothing
about
that.
I've
stopped
that
it
just
says
that
citizens
should
be
involved
in
that
discussion
and
and
be
in
line
to
have
it
have
an
approval
phase
to
it.
That's
all
it
says
and
to
have
a
second
amendment
it
just
it
just
confuses
the
ballot
I
didn't
you
know
and
like
I
said,
I
guess
at
a
minimum.
F
F
A
A
F
A
Just
want
to
clarify
for
anyone.
Listening
on
the
call
to
speak
under
this
public
hearing,
you
need
to
call
into
the
following
phone
number,
one:
eight,
six,
six,
eight,
seven,
three:
zero,
nine,
nine
nine
again.
The
number
to
call
if
you
wish
to
provide
public
comment
is
one
eight,
six,
six,
eight,
seven,
three:
zero,
nine,
nine,
nine
and
the
conference
ID.
Once
you
call
that
number,
it's
five,
four,
seven,
eight,
nine!
Four,
eight
again,
that's
five!
Four,
seven,
eight
nine
four,
eight.
E
While
we're
waiting
for
any
additional
callers
but
to
potentially
call
in
I,
wanted
to
just
make
a
clarification,
I
had
a
typo
on
those
resolutions
that
are
before
you
for
a
possible
consideration
tonight
and
I
had
that
the
date
of
2019
I
should
have
written
2020
and
I
have
made
that
fix
in
the
execution
copies
it's
at
the
very
top
of
the
document.
I
just
didn't
catch
it.
Everything
else
is
2028.
H
B
A
D
Okay,
you
have
a
question
Ferg.
B
D
D
D
E
D
E
D
B
H
H
H
H
C
H
My
question
is:
do
we
have
to
have
the
public
voting
on
the
Charter
Commission
I
mean
the
Charter
language
have?
Is
that
how
we've
always
I'm
just
never
calling?
Is
that
how
we've
done
all
of
our
amendments
to
the
Charter
in
the
past?
Or
can
we
just
have
the
public
vote
on
the
first
question,
and
then
we
place
the
language
in
the
Charter
without
voting
on
it.
E
E
It's
the
petition
that
results
in
a
vote
on
the
ballot,
and
it
is
our
opinion
that
it
is
my
opinion
and
that
this
ballot
or
this
petition
here
requires
a
subsequent
vote
at
a
stage
on
an
election
and
that's
why
we're
using
this
process
that
we
are
tonight
and
that
we've
put
in
place
in
order
to
put
the
question
of
amending
the
Charter
on
a
ballot
question.
Do.
H
E
E
Chair
and
commissioners
I
believe
that
is
one
interpretation
and
that
it's
the
interpretation
of
the
person
who
testified
in
the
public
hearing
when
we
analyzed
the
court's
opinion
and
analyzed
the
process,
the
language.
We
believe
that
it
was
most
clear
to
have
a
question
on
that
election,
the
the
state
general
election.
We
believe
that
that's
what
the
the
petition
language
is
requiring
of
us
to
do.
E
In
commissioners,
the
Charter
Commission
could
reject
the
charter
amendment.
If
it
is
the
will
of
the
body
tonight
to
not
have
that
second
question
he
won
the
body
could
reject
the
amendment
and
then
I
would
report
to
the
City
Council
that
that
was
the
outcome
of
the
Charter
Commission
and
we
would
endeavor
to
figure
out
a
path
forward.
At
this
point,
I
don't
know
what
that
path
would
be.
H
We
could
approve
language
later
right,
I
mean
if
they
voted
to
stop
organized
collection.
Then,
like
you
said,
though
their
contracts
become
invalid
and
then
they
have
to
proceed
on
with
organize
collection
and
then,
as
far
as
amending
the
Charter
and
getting
the
proper
language
in
there,
we
could
do
that
at
a
later
date.
E
H
E
E
Chair
and
commissioners,
both
questions
amend
the
Charter,
so
it
affects.
So.
If
question
one
is
adopted,
is
is
the
outcome
of
question?
One
is
yes,
and
the
question
would
be
something
along
the
lines
of
should
the
Charter
be
amended
to
add,
unless
first
approved
by
a
majority
of
the
voters
in
a
state
generally
and
the
city
shall
not
replace
the
competitive
market
but
papapapa.
The
adoption
of
this
charter.
Amendment
2015-2016,
like
that
paragraph,
that,
if
that
passes
on
the
ballot
in
November,
then
that
language
appear
in
our
city
charter
right.
H
I'm
just
I'm
just
trying
to
make
it
less
confusing
for
the
voters
and
if
we
just
had
one
question,
yes
or
no,
and
then
we
deal
with
the
second
question
either
in
another
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
understand
why
people
have
to
vote
on
the
exact
language.
That's
going
in
this
I
mean
what
they're
both
if
we
pass
one
and
we
don't
pass
to
know
what
what
the
color
said.
If
we
found
two,
but
we
don't
pass,
one
then
is
contradictory,
so
I
don't
understand
why
they
can't
just
have
one
question.
E
H
E
Chair
and
commissioners
I
fully
agree
with
you
that
the
language
in
the
petition
can
be
read
in
multiple
ways,
which
is
in
part,
why
it
was
litigated
for
years,
and
so
I
am
not
inclined
to
recommend
that
we
that
I
come
up
with
some
sort
of
and
the
City
Council
adopt
some
sort
of
synthesis
or
a
short
summary
of
what
this
petition
to
amend.
The
Charter
is
seeking
to
do
in
an
effort
to
try
and
clarify
it
for
the
voters,
I'm
not
inclined
to
do
that.
H
H
B
C
Thank
you
so
I'm
trying
to
come
up
with
November
scenarios,
assuming
the
proposed
language
and
it
seems
to
me,
there's
just
one
question
I
end
up
with
I.
Think
if
question
one
is
answered,
yes,
then
you
go
to
question
two
and
if
the
answer
is
yes,
then
the
deal
is
done.
It
seems
to
me
if
question
one
is
answered.
No,
then
there's
no
real
reason
to
get
to
question
two
because
the
it's
over.
C
E
E
B
A
A
F
This
is
Russell
Bernsen
at
47,
16,
9,
Mile,
Creek
Parkway
in
Bloomington
and
I've
been
listening
to
this
all
night
and
even
though
I'm
very
familiar
with,
what's
going
on
with
these
different
charter
amendments
and
probably
been
along
these
lines
for
several
years,
how
in
the
world
can
we
come
indicate
to
the
public?
Why
there's
two
questions
about
the
same
thing
and
like
we
I
just
heard
one
of
the
commissioners
say
a
little
bit
ago.
D
E
F
Well
that
that's
just
my
thoughts,
why
why
the
two
questions
I
know
you've
been
discussing
it
all
night
and
that's
just
my
input,
because
I'm
Kennie
know
a
lot
of
questions
from
a
lot
of
people
as
to
why
there
is
two
on
there.
I
heard
all
the
arguments,
but
I
agree
with
that.
We
should
be
able
to
just
do
it
with
one
question
and
rather
than
confuse
the
issue,
that's
my
comment.
A
F
Thank
you
yeah.
This
is
Randy
sweater
at
5310
Powell
a
circle.
One
of
the
things
that
I
haven't
heard
discussed
tonight
is
the
impact
of
getting
on
the
November
ballot.
If
this
question
is
tabled
until
June
or
even
July,
I
know
that
the
question
and
the
language
needs
to
be
finalized
by
August,
but
I
did
not
hear
that
there
was
an
adverse
impact
of
being
able
to
wait
until
the
public
is
actually
able
to
see
the
language
that
was
presented
in
the
PowerPoint
tonight,
which
I
know
I
have
not
been
able
to
see.
F
No
and
I
have
not
been
able
to
appreciate
the
complexity
of
the
question
or
be
able
to
respond
to
it
without
seeing
the
proposed
language.
I
would
think
we
all
would
also
want
to
see
the
proposed
language
for
the
first
question
to
be
able
to
see
if
there
is
in
fact
any
final
conflicts
between
the
two,
so
I
would
urge
the
council
in
to
the
Commission,
defer
this
question
until
after
there's
a
chance
for
more
public
input
and
debate
on
the
subject
and
more
advice
for
the
Commission
members.
Thank
you.
A
B
F
B
A
Now
that
the
public
hearing
has
closed,
you
may
end
the
call
and
disconnect
your
attendance
at
the
meeting.
Thank
you,
ladies
women.
You're
welcome
today's
conference
call.
Thank
you
everyone.
You
me
now
this
case
and
for
the
record
may
I,
please
vacation
on
who
second,
the
closure
of
the
public
hearing
Taylor.
F
E
B
E
B
E
Sorry,
sorry,
folks,
chair
and
commissioners,
I
think
that
we
could
have
made
a
variety
potentially
invited
litigation,
the
from
the
Jennison
litigants,
as
well
as
from
people
on
on
the
opposing
side
of
the
position
of
the
Jennison
litigants.
We
analyzed
multiple
I
believe
there
were
maybe
10
different
alternatives
that
we
analyzed
and
thinking
about
move
forward.
With
what
this
opinion
at
this
February
2020
opinion
guided
us
to
do.
We
we
believe
that
this
is
the
most
oh.
E
When
we're
on
talking
about
the
you
know
the
nuances
and
digging
down
into
the
deepest
deepest
levels
at
this
point
of
the
conversation
but
I,
don't
think
that
I
don't
think
that
they
that,
when
we
get
to
November
or
September,
when
people
start
voting,
that
we
will
have
the
same
will
have
the
same
amount
of
questions.
I
am
confident
that
that
the
path
that
were.
E
And
presenting
for
your
consideration
tonight
is
a
is
a
thorough
in
conclusive
decision
on
whether
there
will
be
organized
collection
in
the
city.
If
we
had
only
the
first
question
on
the
ballot,
only
this
first
language
in
the
petition
I
believe
that
they
would
create
that
the
result
of
that
would
be,
and
by
having
the
second
question,
we
conclusively
put
forward
a
yes
or
no
on
organized
collection
in
the
city.
E
People
can
disagree
about
the
approach
and
whether
it's
necessary,
but
if
we
didn't
do
it,
if
we
didn't
have
that
very
clear,
yes
or
no
unorganized,
we
run
the
risk
of
people
putting
forward
challenges
to
what
does
it
mean
to
vote
YES?
On
that
first
question:
what
does
it
mean
to
vote?
No,
so
that
is
why
we're
recommending
we're
taken
that
we're
putting
forward
tonight.
E
We're
not
the
ballot,
we're
not
approving
ballot
language
tonight,
we're
we're
talking
about
language
that
will
appear
in
our
city
charter.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
the
ballot
question
is
the
method
that
amends
the
city
charter
it
it's
it's
it's
the
same
thing
as
when
the
City
Council
has
to
have
a
unanimous
vote
in
order
to
amend
the
Charter.
It's
just
another
method.
It's
the
method.
This
question
is
the
method
that
was
teed
up
for
us
as
a
result
of
the
Jennison
decisions.
E
G
Thank
you,
my
attorney
Manderscheid
I
can
understand
and
accept
all
of
that,
with
the
exception
of
what
Commissioner
Nelson
had
asked,
and
that
was
both
questions
are
up.
Ayay
or
both
questions
are
down,
but
then,
when
you
get
to
the
split
decision,
all
does
that
operate
and
I
think
that's.
The
question
I've
asked
now
for
the
third
time
and
I
still
am
not
understanding
the
answer.
E
In
commissioners,
again,
I
don't
have
that
ballot
language
in
front
of
me,
so
I
don't
its
tip.
It's
challenging
for
me
to
to
both
answer
your
question
in
a
way
that
that
is
fully
explains
the
issue,
but
also
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
that
ballot
language
is
going
to
be
because
I
don't
know
what
the
charter
amendments
are.
E
E
So
if
you
vote
yes
to
that,
then
the
voters
get
to
vote
on
whether
to
have
organized
collection.
So
then
you
proceed
to
question
two
and
if
the
question
two
is,
should
the
Charter
be
amended
to
prohibit
the
council
from
from
contracting
for
organized
collection
or
some
along
those
lines,
and
you
vote
no
to
that,
and
that
is
your
split
vote.
The
first
question
is
just
saying
the
voters
be
allowed
to
vote
on
this
and
then
that
second
question
is
the
act
of
voting
on
it.
H
G
B
H
I
believe
we
are
over
conflict
between
the
language
outcomes
or
board
questions.
Only
in
the
second
question
we
could,
we
can
all
both
be
cyclical
language,
but
if
we
still
feel
like
there's
going
to
be
confusion,
getting
to
that
point,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
accomplish
much
and
I
I
guess
I
would
say:
I.
Would
second
council
members
bloggers,
suggestion
sample.
Second
question:
that's
more
important
than
whether
we
vote
for
or
against
the
proposed
charter
amendment
language
that
made
any
sense
at
all.
That's
all
members.
E
You
know
made
available
to
folks
just
clarify
that
the
PowerPoint
materials,
with
the
exception
of
the
discussion
about
the
role
of
counsel
legal
counsel,
those
materials
and
that
the
information
was
taken
from
the
from
the
packet
and
the
only
thing
that
the
body
is
fantastic
tonight
are
those
texts
of
the
charter.
Amendments
there's
no
ballot
question
before
you
know
that
was
somehow
not
included.
E
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clarification
and
then
again
add
for
those
folks
that
maybe
didn't
hear
it
at
the
very
beginning
and
that
the
PowerPoint
will
be
added
to
the
packet
which
will
be
available
online
as
soon
as
the
recording
secretary
is
able
to
make
that
that
addition
to
the
packet,
so
it
will
be
available.
I'm
certainly
willing
to
take
a
stab
at
some
hypothetical
ballot
question
language
and
then
and
then
create
a
matrix
of
yes,
what
a
yes/no
vote!
A
D
E
Chairman
chair
members,
I
I,
don't
agree
with
that.
If
the
first
question
is
saying,
should
the
voters
get
to
decide,
should
the
voters
get
to
vote
rather,
should
the
voters
get
to
vote
on
this
issue
and
then
the
second
question
is
the
voters
voting
on
the
issue,
and
so,
if
you
had
a
yes
vote
to
the
first
question
that
the
result
of
that
would
be
that
that
language
would
appear
in
our
Charter
and
then
we
would
include
some
language.
That
would
say
the
voters
voted
on
this
in
November
3rd
2020
and
they
voted
to
XYZ.
E
And
so,
if
question
one
passes,
then
that
language
will
appear
in
the
Charter.
If
question
one
passes,
however,
we
will
also
have
to
potentially
readapt
any
language
that
we
need
to
have
in
place
and
in
order
to
have
garbage
picked
up,
because
oh
the
fact
of
that
second
thing
that
second
sentence
in
that.
D
A
E
Would
have
no
authority
and
we
would
also
have
no
rules
about
garbage
collection.
You
know
it
as
a
collection.
We
have
a
lot
of.
We
have
other
rules
about
garbage,
solid
waste
collection
and
we
would
need
to.
We
would
need
to
analyze,
and
we
actually
have
already
started
that.
An
analyst
analysis
about
need
to
be
readapted
in
order
to
just
not
have
garbage
in
the
streets.
D
D
E
Sharon
members,
the
the
first,
the
first
charter
amendment
is
talking
about,
should
the
voters
be
allowed
to
vote
on
it
and
in
the
replacement
of
the
competitive
marketplace
with
organized
collection?
Well,
that's
already
happened.
This
has
already
replaced
a
competitive
marketplace
with
a
system
of
organized
collection
and
we've
amended
the
ordinances
we've
entered
into
contracts.
All
of
that
has
already
happened,
so
we
believe
a
second
question
is
necessary
and
actually
called
for
by
this
petition.
This
petition
is
saying
you
have
to
go
to
the
voters,
to
figure
out
whether
you
can
have
organized
collection.
E
I,
don't
know
that
that
it's
a
reasonable
that
it
would
that
all
voters
would
find
it
to
be
a
reasonable
outcome
of
voting
YES
on
question
one
to
be
that
the
city
starts.
Collecting
their
garbage
with
you
know,
creates
a
garbage
collection,
buys
all
these
trucks
and
starts
a
municipal
collection
process.
So
we
believe
that
it's
that
we
need
a
definitive
question
about
whether
the
city
can
contract
with
independent
haulers
to
create
an
organized
collection
system
of
collecting
solid
waste
in
the
city,
because
we
don't
believe
that
that
first
question
gets
us
there.
E
D
E
Jaren
members,
we
certainly
could
have
that
be
the
amendment
as
I
discussed
earlier.
That
I
believe
that
that
this
was
the
better
route
to
go
to
draft
it.
The
way
that
is
presented
before
you
there.
Certainly
you
know
more
than
one
opinion
on
that
I've
I've
discussed
the
reasons
that
I
think
it
needs
to
be
written
this
way
or
that
it's
actually
more
clear
written
this
way.
But
I
can
appreciate
that.
B
A
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
so
the
previous
discussion
kind
of
illustrates
I.
Think
one
of
the
fundamental
questions
that
we
have
to
ask
here,
which
is
I,
think
the
is
whether
and
that
was
I-
think
the
question
that
was
being
asked
by
the
previous
speaker
around
whether
the
question.
The
word,
because
just
about
ought
to
be
set
in
the
negative,
as
is
proposed
by
the
City
Council
or
whether
we
should
be
set
in
the
positive
and
the
rationale
that
the.
F
A
A
The
city
to
stay
in
the
trash
business
and
you
liked
what
the
city
is
doing.
You
vote
no
on
both
of
you
and
the
I.
Think
the
the
idea
that
the
city
attorney
and
the
council
are
trying
to
go
across
here
is
that,
from
a
more
communication
perspective,
getting
a
postcard
that
says:
hey
here's
the
issue,
and
if,
if
you
support
our
particular
position,
you
know
you
should
go
yes
for
both
things,
if
you
both
over
both
things,
but
the
result
of
that
easy
to
communicate
around
the
kind
of
both
you
gotta
fill
out.
A
Make
a
definitive
decision
so
that
after
the
election,
this
fall,
we
know
for
certain
what
the
intent
of
the
voters
is.
You've
got.
We've
got
two
choices,
one
is
we
can
make
it
easy
for
people
to
say
just
vote.
Yes,
yes
or
both
groan
or
and
have
a
particular
outcome,
or
we
can
have
something
where
communications
have
to
say.
You
have
to
vote
YES
for
the
first
thing
and
no
for
the
second
thing,
what
one
outcome?
A
H
What
I
was
wondering
is
if
you're
gonna
do
this
summary,
a
voter
that
tries
to
make
it
very
simple
what
what
Steve
was
saying
is
to
if
you
do
yes
on
both
no
on
both,
but
could
you
just
have
the
same
statement
over
each
aisle?
What
am
I
trying
to
say
ballot
question?
So
if
you
say
on
the
first
ballot
question,
if
you
vote
yes
to
this,
then
we
will
in
organized
collection
and
then
on
the
second
one.
You
say:
if
we,
if
you
vote
yes
to
this,
you
will
have.
H
You
will
be
voting
for
organized
connection
collection,
Oregon,
I'm,
totally
confusing
that
up.
Okay,
so
the
first
question:
would
you
would
just
read
it
yeah,
you
see
what
I
mean
he
would
have
the
exactly
the
same
language.
So
the
voter
knows
that
they're
voting
YES
for
this.
They
also
need
to
vote
YES,
for
this.
Does
that
make.
E
Sense,
chair
commissioners,
we
actually
pending
up
pending
the
outcome
of
your
ex
and
tonight
or
later
we
plan
to
talk
to
the
to
the
county,
about
whether
it's
possible
to
put
that
language.
If
you
vote.
Yes,
it
means
in
the
question,
because
that
kind
of
approach
is
taken
by
levy
raises
where
it
says.
If
you
vote
YES,
you
are
voting
to
raise
your
levy
by
X
number
of
dollars
or
whatever
it
is,
and
we
think
that
that
is
a
clarifying
way
to
go.
That
said,
I
there
are
limits
to
to
what
you
know
there.
E
The
ballot
approvers
are
comfortable
with
or
not
approvers,
but
the
the
ballot
for
matters
we
have
limits.
We
have
the
the
header,
the
the
title
can
be
ten
ten
words
and
the
question
has
to
be
answered
in
a
yes
or
a
No,
so
we
have
some
limits
in
state
law
and
in
the
rules
about
what
what
we
can
put
in
these
questions,
but
we
plan
to
ask
whether
we
can
whether
it
would
be
advisable
or
prohibited
from
where
they
some
sort
of.
E
Sorts
of
things
some
it's
not
a
technical
question
and
that
it's
there
it's
asking
for
a
legal
opinion
and
they
and
they'll
they'll
defer
that
question.
So
we
can
ask
the
you
know.
One
of
the
challenges
is
that
this
particular
method
of
amending
the
Charter
is
just,
and
so
there
aren't
very
many
examples
for
us
to
look
at
or
for
us.
You
know
other
Charter
Commission
attorneys
to
call
and
talk
through
about
you
know,
sort
of
what
were
the.
What
were
the?
What
was
the
voters
experience?
It's
method
just
is
very
rarely
used
so.
E
F
Yes,
yes,
no
means
this
unconfident
the
games
for
media
from
the
city
attorney
also,
and
once
this
is
behind
this,
the
ball
starts
rolling.
Is
that
those
are
both.
Parties
to
the
issue
will
do
a
tremendous
job
of
communication
to
our
constituents,
given
the
fact
that
this
is
a
presidential
year
election
and
the
end
result
will
be
decision,
I
think
made
by
a
vast
majority
the
voters
of
others
that
said,
approval
going
forward
yet
this
evening,
rather
than
spending
another
hour
to
have
the
baby,
the
same
language.
F
B
H
Irrespective
of
my
earlier
comments,
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
language
of
the
charter,
amendment
itself,
because
it's
just
language
of
a
charter
limit
that
we
don't
even
know
we're
going
to
have
to
yeah
depending
upon
the
votes.
But
my
problem
is
you
know
these
this?
Yes,
yes,
no,
no
vote
that
was
alluded
to
here
several
times.
It
doesn't
guarantee
that
someone's
not
going
to
vote
yes,
no
or
no,
yes,
or
in
some
way
vote.
H
I,
say
there's
only
not
because
I
don't
have
confidence
in
the
ability
of
the
attorney
attorneys
ability
to
draft
something
that
can't
possibly
conflict,
I'm,
not
comfortable
with
it,
and
as
long
as
the
public
is
asked
to
vote
on
two
different
things
that
could
potentially
lead
to
a
confusing
outcome.
Well,
then,
we're
we're
back
in
court
again
and
I
would
feel
better
myself
I'm
going
to
vote
for
a
change
in
charter.
D
Need
for
a
negative
position
and
I
believe
it's
correct,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
those
characterizations
isn't
correct.
The
first
question
contains
the
the
sentence
and
what
its
first
approved
by
a
majority
of
the
voters
and
what
you're
actually
trying
to
accomplish
with
a
second
question
is
to
is
to
have
that
vote
taken
place.
D
So
in
a
resolution,
let's
say
Charter
Commission
resolution
it
be
to
me
something
see
again:
I
would
move
that
we,
we
approve
the
Charter
Commission,
the
Charter
Commission
approves
the
city
council
ordinance.
Twenty
20-11
has
the
test
and
exhibit
a
and
directly
attorney
to
inform
the
City.
Council
are
the
same
such
that
the
language
of
England
language
can
be
set.
The
November
to
2020
general.
G
E
Chair
I
I'm
happy
this
is
the
City
Attorney
I'm
happy
to
clarify
the
elevation.
Thank
you
I
believe
it
was
a
motion
made
by
Commissioner
bonds
seconded
by
Commissioner
Lind
Lyndell
mm-hmm,
to
adopt
a
resolution.
Number
2020
it'll
be
1c,
approving
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
charter,
a
set
forth
in
ordinance,
20
2011.
That
was
the
ordinance
that
was
adopted
by
the
City
Council
on
April
20th
and
then
further
directing
the
city
attorney
to
notify
the
City
Council
of
the
action
at
the
Charter
Commission
this
evening.
Is
that
accurate
commissioner
Barnes
in
Lindale.
A
A
B
G
A
E
E
B
E
Chair
and
members
I
would
welcome
any
feedback
as
always
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
all
those
involved
and
because
of
the
request
tonight,
I
would
be.
I
will
be
proceeding
to
prepare
some
ballot
question
language
and
in
moving
that
process
forward.
So
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
for
me
to
share
that
and
and
I
welcome
any
feedback
that
you
have
on
on
the
content
of
that
drafting.
E
B
E
B
E
E
F
B
E
So
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
for
you
all
to
get
an
update
from
me
and
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
some
questions
so
that
you
were
in
the
loop
on
what
the
City
Council
had
directed
staff
to
work
on.
There
was
a
there
has
been
some
discussion
about
rank
choice.
Voting
in
we
had
a
concurrent
presentation
before
the
Charter
Commission
and
the
City
Council
last
year
about
the
topic.
Some
of
you
were
probably
there
for
that.
E
The
topic
has
been
out
there
for
a
while
and
recently
the
City
Council
directed
staff
to
prepare
an
ordinance
that
would
amend
the
Charter
if
adopted
by
the
voters
in
an
election.
So
it's
again
using
the
process
that
we've
talked
about
tonight
there,
the
consideration
of
that
ordinance
before
the
City
Council
will
be
on
May
18th.
E
E
We
believe,
as
this
item
goes
out,
that
there
might
be
a
desire
for
some
additional
information
about
what
this
means
for
those
folks.
That
probably
don't
recall
the
discussion
about
it
back
earlier
in
the
year.
So
when
we
get
to
that
stage,
we'll
have
some
more
information
out
there
and
and
I
put
some
additional
sort
of
timelines.
E
Here
on
this
slide,
the
asterisks
are
making
an
assumption
that
if
the
action
is
acted
on
by
the
Charter
Commission
on
June
11th,
in
a
in
in
a
in
an
11
that
approves
that
city
council
ordinance
language,
then
the
council
in
Charter
Commission
process
is
laid
out
there
as
a
just
a
general
guide.
For
you
again,
the
same
60
and
90
day
time
periods
are
available
in
state
law.
As
the
same
as
for
that
solid
waste
collection
question
we
talked
about
tonight,
it's
just
starting
later
in
the
process
than
then
the
solid
waste
question.
B
E
B
A
E
E
E
The
Charter
so,
for
example,
the
ballot
question
again
now
all
this
is
hypothetical,
but
the
question
would
be
something
along
the
lines
of
should
the
Charter
be
amended
to
to
use
rank-choice
voting
to
elect
the
mayor
and
city
council
members.
It
would
be
something
along
those
lines,
but
the
ordinance
that
the
council's
going
to
look
at
on
May,
8th
18th
is
going
to
be
that
the
actual
charter
amendment,
like
you
all,
had
before
you
tonight.
It's
the
actual
language
that
amends
the
Charter
that
would
make
rank-choice
voting
possible
under
our
current
Charter.
It's
not
possible.
D
B
D
B
B
E
E
This
is
the
Melissa
Manderscheid
show
I'm,
sorry
I'm
talking
so
much
all
right,
so
I'm
happy
to
report
that
13
of
the
commission
members
have
signed
up
and
filled
out
the
necessary
paperwork
to
have
a
city,
email
account
and
I
want
to
just
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
why
we
need
you
to
do
that,
and
I
want
to
reassure
you
that
they
appreciate
that
it
is
another
email
account
to
check
that.
That
is
another
administrative
task
for
you
to
do,
however,
I
want
to
underscore
the
need
for
it.
E
You
can
and
also
mention
that
you
can
set
up.
You
can
set
up
notifications
in
your
accounts
to
let
you
know
when
you've
received
a
new
email
plus
denise's.
You
know
you
can
sign
up
for
I
subscribe
to
know
when
the
packets
go
out
and
there's
all
kinds
of
checks
in
place
that
you
can
make
sure
that
you're
checking
email
when
you
need
to,
but
in
any
case
it's
important
that
we
have
city
email
accounts
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
one
it's
a
consistent
communication
method.
E
In
some
cases,
people
are
using
or
have
used,
work
accounts
and
those
work
accounts,
oftentimes,
have
filters
or
blocks
on
them
or
they
limit
attachments,
and
so
the
danger
is
that
commissioners
might
not
be
getting
all
of
the
information.
That's
coming
as
a
missing
things,
and
so
by
having
a
city
supplied,
email,
address,
you'll,
get
everything
it'll
all
get
delivered
and
you'll
be
able
to
to
open
the
documents
and,
if
you're
not
able
to
open
them,
you'll
be
able
to
use
support
of
our
IT
department
to
assist
you
in
doing
that.
E
In
the
event,
you
have
a
data
request
that
you
have
to
respond
to,
or
there
is
a
litigation
hold
placed
on
your
account
based
on
litigation,
the
beginning
of
litigation.
So
there
was
a
data
request
that
came
in
very
recently,
and
it's
going
to
require
you
all
to
do
some
searching
through
your
email,
accounts
and
other
other
communication
devices
that
you
have
and
if
you
have
a
city,
email
account,
and
you
use
that
for
all
of
your
city
related
communications,
which
is
what
we're
asking
you
to
do.
E
E
Lastly-
and
it's
very
important,
also
for
our
records
retention
obligations
under
state
law
and
data
practices,
if
you
email
account
for
our
city
community,
once
you
are
no
longer
a
member
of
a
commission,
we
will
still
be
able
to
access
those
messages
so
that
we
can
still
provide
a
response,
a
thorough
and
full
response
to
requests
for
data
or,
if
we're
looking
for
something
sent
received
using
the
city's
email
address.
So,
although
we
appreciate
and
I
fully
do,
I
have
multiple
email
accounts,
I
have
to
check
each
day.
E
I
fully
appreciate
the
sort
of
additional
bird
in
this
places
on
you,
but
I
can
tell
you.
It
far
outweighs
the
burden
you
will
have
in
responding
to
a
data
request
or
producing
your
personal
cell
phone,
because
that's
where
you
have
your
city
emails,
your
your
you
know:
Commission
emails
on
your
email
account,
so
it
is
out
of
my
desire
to
protects
perience
that
I
want
to
really
underscore
and
drive
home.
My
request
that
you
use
the
city
email
account
for
all
of
your
city,
related
Commission,
related
communications.
E
It
will
make
it
easier
for
you
on
the
backend
and
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
of
a
burden
at
the
very
beginning
of
it.
So
thank
you
to
those
13
that
have
already
signed
up
and
have
undertaken
that
process
and
I
believe
that
there's
just
a
couple
more
of
you
that
need
to
work
with
Denise
and
I
T
to
make
that
happen
and
and
I'll
just
stand
for
any
questions
that
folks
might
have.
B
B
What
do
you?
How
do
you
recommend
that
we
channel
or
do
you
recommend
we
used
regardless
of
how
a
question
or
a
comment
or
a
concern
regarding
Charter
Commission
business
is
sent
to
us?
Are
you
recommending
that
we
respond
to
that?
We
can't
stop
it
from
coming
to
us,
but
respond
to
it
then,
from
our
city,
email
address
to
keep
things
clean,
so
to
speak.
Chair.
E
And
members,
what
I
would
do
if
that
happened
to
me,
is
that
I
would
forward
that
email
to
my
from
my
private
email
address
to
my
city
account
and
then
respond
to
the
sender.
The
original
sender
from
my
Sydney
account.
So
then
it
would,
it
would
prompt
them
to
have
a
new
email
address
and
use
that
in
the
future.
I
would
also
encourage
you
to
say
something
like.
Please
use
this
email
address
for
future
communications
with
me.
E
B
H
A
H
As
you
know,
I
got
four
or
five
emails
from
people
over
the
last
few
days
related
to
tonight's
topics,
most
of
them
an
organized
collection,
one
of
them
on
ranked
voting.
They
all
came
to
my
city,
email
address,
which
I
forwarded
to
you
just
for
response
purposes
and
because
I
really
didn't
know
how
to
handle
it
and
I
was
curious
as
to
how
they
got
those
City
email
address.
A
Sure
so
anyone
that
has
already
filled
out
the
authorization
form
signed
it
and
send
it
back
to
IT.
Your
email
addresses
have
been
updated
with
the
city,
email
addresses,
and
then
those
of
you
who
have
not
done
that
yet
your
personal
email
addresses
are
still
being
used,
and
so
that's
the
information
that
is
public.
Now.
These.
B
B
E
A
A
B
E
B
B
A
A
B
D
A
A
F
A
B
B
E
Chair
and
members
sort
of
like
Denise
and
in
mine
I
guess
we
have
Denis
Eady
I,
don't
know
if
you
sent
out
a
doodle
poll
or
not,
but
June
11th
is
the
date
that
we're
hoping
to
have
the
next
meeting
or
it's
the
reservation
of
the
date.
In
the
event
we
needed
another
meeting,
so
I
would
ask
for
a
motion
to
set
that
as
the
next
date.