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October 13, 2022 Bloomington Planning Commission Meeting
0:00:00 Start
0:03:15 ITEM 1 PL2022-176
(public hearing) Penn Lake Shopping CTR LLC (owner)
Bloomington Billiards (user)
8901 Penn Avenue South
Conditional Use Permit for an approximately 6,088 square foot indoor entertainment and recreation facility in an
existing multi-tenant building.
0:41:35 ITEM 2 PL2022-180
(public hearing) Normandale Station LLC (owner)
Sidner Karate Academy (user)
5101 W 98th Street
Conditional use permit for a karate school in an existing shopping center.
1:54:18 ITEM 3 City of Bloomington
(study item) Miscellaneous Issues Ordinance Review.
0:51:13 ITEM 4 City of Bloomington
(study item) Cottage Home Standards Review.
ITEM 5 City of Bloomington
(study item) Townhome Standards Review.
2:21:15 ITEM 6 City of Bloomington
(study item) Consider approval of draft Planning Commission meeting synopsis for September 8th, 2022.
2:22:21 ITEM 7 City of Bloomington
(study item) Appoint Planning Commissioner to Attend Joint Board and Commission Meeting with Mayor.
2:23:07 ITEM 8 City of Bloomington
(study item) Planning Commission Policy and Issues Update.
A
A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
October
13th
meeting
of
the
Bloomington
Planning
Commission
Planning
Commission
is
made
up
of
seven
volunteer
Bloomington
residents
appointed
by
the
city
council.
Tonight
we
have
four
which
is
a
quorum.
The
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals
and
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues.
A
Our
work
is
informed
by
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
various
District
plans
in
the
city
code.
For
some
items.
The
commission
makes
a
recommendation
with
the
city
council
having
final
decision-making
Authority.
In
other
cases,
the
Planning
Commission
can
approve
or
deny
an
application
subject
to
an
appeal
to
the
city
council.
This
is
the
case
for
two
items
on
our
agenda
this
evening
for
each
item
action
item.
There
will
be
a
staff
report,
an
opportunity
for
the
applicant
to
present
and
then
time
for
any
member
of
the
public
to
provide
testimony.
A
A
B
A
Thank
you.
The
first
item
is
a
request
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
an
indoor
team,
entertainment
and
recreation
facility
for
those
who
may
follow
the
commission.
This
is
an
item
we've
seen
before
the
previous
approval
by
the
commission
expired
after
one
year.
So
this
item
is
here
for
a
reconsideration.
C
Thank
you,
chair
and
commission
item
on.
Your
originally
is
for
a
for
an
indoor
entertainment
facility
in
an
existing
multi-tenant
building
at
8901
Penn
Avenue
South.
Most
of
you
may
know
the
intersection
here.
It's
at
the
northeast
corner
of
90th,
Street
and
Penn
Avenue
surrounding
uses
to
the
East
and
to
the
north,
our
single
family
and
then
to
the
west
and
the
South
our
office
and
retail
business
uses.
C
This
tenant
space
is
6
000
square
feet
in
highlighted
in
yellow
in
the
Penn
Lake
Center
and
as
commissioner
or
chair
Roman
had
identified.
This
came
before
you
last
July,
and
this
is
the
same
request
and
that
cup
has
expired.
After
one
year
of
no
building
permit
issuance,
there
are
four
or
22
pool
tables
and
bench
seating
around
the
perimeter
of
the
space.
They
would
provide
pre-packaged
food
and
Beverages
and
then
for
the
Publix
information.
No
alcoholic
beverages
would
be
provided
and
then
three
miscellaneous
items.
C
The
applicant
must
provide
a
sidewalk
connection
from
the
building
entrance
to
the
public,
Street
Network,
and
then
their
hours
of
operation
are
from
10
a.m,
to
2
A.M
daily
and
then.
Lastly,
the
applicant
has
provided
a
public
safety
plan
that
identifies
items
such
as
loitering
and
curfew,
and
that
has
been
approved
by
the
police
department
and
then,
lastly,
we
have
received
two
emails,
one
in
support
and
one
opposition.
You
have
that
at
your
seats
this
evening
and
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval.
This
is
subject
to
an
appeal
and
the
applicant
is
here.
A
C
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
so
there's
one
condition
related
this
evening:
that's
related
to
the
hours
of
operation,
so
they
would
be
restricted
to
the
10,
their
proposed
hours,
operation,
which
is
10
a.m,
to
2
A.M
daily,
and
then
they
provided
the
public
safety
plan
which
identifies
some
of
the
possible
nuisances.
So
we
didn't
include
the
three
verified
nuisance
related
condition
that
we
had
last
time.
Thank.
A
D
E
D
Sure
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
that
if
we
have
a
Saturday
or
an
evening
tournament
during
the
week,
those
aren't
generally
too
big.
It
could
be
a
big
tournament
on
a
Saturday
or
Sunday,
but
there
is
300
parking
spots
and,
as
players
are
limited
or
eliminated,
they
tend
to
leave.
They
don't
tend
to
stay
till
The,
Bitter
End.
D
F
D
The
other
businesses
close
fairly
early
where
our
peak
hours
are
late
and
yeah.
That's
a
that
would
be
a
question
for
my
rep
I
guess
you
know:
I
We're
not
gonna
have
loud
music
because
typically
the
tournament
Players,
don't
like
it
and
the
league
players.
You
know
on
a
moderate
level,
probably
about
the
same
as
what
would
play
in
City,
Hall,
elevator,
I,
guess,
I,
don't
know.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
This
item
is
a
public
hearing
and
so
I
will
open
the
public
hearing.
Any
member
of
the
public
who's
interested
in
speaking
I
would
ask
you
to
come
forward.
Sign
your
name
on
the
registry
and
then
you'll
be
recognized.
Our
rules
of
procedure
do
allow
three
minutes
for
speaking.
If
you
reach
the
three
minutes,
I
will
let
you
know
and
I
ask
that
you
please
wrap
your
comments
at
three
minutes,
so
the
public
hearing
is
open.
A
F
Hansen
I
actually
live
behind
the
strip.
Mall
I
actually
live
closer
to
the
the
the
north
side
of
the
strip,
mall
and
I.
Guess
I.
Don't
really
have
too
many
I
mostly
have
comments.
I,
guess,
I'm
concerned
about
the
hours
I.
Think
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
is
too
long
for
a
business
to
be
open
when
there
are
homes
right
behind
the
fence
and
behind
and
so
I.
F
As
far
as
his
safety
protocols
go,
I,
don't
think
you
can
ever
keep
anybody
from
loitering
in
the
back
of
the
building,
and
we
also
have
concerns
about
they're
going
to
be
cleaned.
They
are
open
until
two
morning,
but
they
still
have
to
clean
up
so
they're
going
to
be
in
the
back
at
the
dumpsters
and
working
back
there.
So
I
guess
I
just
think
that
the
hours
are
kind
of
ridiculous
to
be
open
until
two
in
the
morning
when
nothing
else
in
the
neighborhood
is
open
until
two
in
the
morning.
F
D
Good
evening
and
thank
you
very
much
for
hosting
this
important
meeting
tonight,
I'm
Jim
Milan
I
live
at
8750
for
Logan
I.
Think
the
hours
are
a
little
too
late
for
this
residential
area.
I,
don't
mind
the
occasional
Bloomington
Kennedy
football
game
going
a
little
bit
later,
I,
don't
mind
the
occasional
sporting
event
hosted
by
Bloomington.
Jefferson
can
live
with
that
I
think
we
all
can
appreciate
that
as
a
game
I
go
to
overtime,
however
2
A.M
on
a
regular
basis
in
a
residential
area.
D
It
just
doesn't
work
and
I
think
that
there
are
some
better
options,
maybe
closer
to
the
Mall
of
America.
There
might
be
some
better
options.
I
know
that
this
was
explored
in
West
Bloomington,
but
it
just
it's
too
residential
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
I
I
think
are
important
to
note
is
there's
a
lot
of
wildlife
in
this
area.
We
have
a
lot
of
owls.
We
have
a
lot
of
fox
that
are
nocturnal
animals.
D
I,
don't
think
the
noise,
as
you
alluded
to
Gene,
is
not
conducive,
and
it's
just
it's
not
good
for
the
Wildlife.
It's
not
good
for
the
neighborhood
and
I.
Just
I'm
not
a
go
I'm,
not
opposing
business
I.
Just
think
that
there's
a
better
venue
for
it
that'll
be
my
time
and
thank
you
very
much
for
hosting
this
meeting.
Thank.
A
H
H
A
H
It's
a
bad
idea:
don't
do
it.
2
A.M
we've
already
had
an
attempted
murder
in
that
site.
We've
already
had
another
murder,
a
couple
blocks
down
the
street.
We
have
had
break-ins,
we
have
had
assault
at
the
liquor
store,
which
is
going
to
be
very
close
to
this
place
and
I.
Don't
see
a
lot
of
improvements,
that's
going
to
make
this
a
better
part
of
our
neighborhood
I,
really
don't
no
offense
to
the
developers,
but
please
take
it
somewhere
else.
Thank
you.
G
G
The
developer,
or
the
proposed
applicant
I
believe
has
said
that
there
would
be
no
alcohol
on
the
premises.
As
far
as
the
owners
are
concerned,
I
would
like
to
ask
if
there's
any
provisions
for
not
allowing
any
alcohol
or
any
type
of
beverages
or
any
other
type
of
thing,
that's
going
to
maybe
raise
the
level
of
concern
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
the
players,
the
visitors,
the
residents
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I'd
like
you
to
look
into
that
as
well.
G
If
alcohol
is
allowed
to
be
brought
into
the
site,
that's
a
big
concern.
There's
a
liquor
store,
that's
going
to
be
within
a
very
close
distance
of
this
venue
and
if
players
I
I,
don't
you
know
no
offense
to
the
players
if
it's
a
developer,
but
if
players
are
allowed
to
bring
in
their
own
beverages,
alcoholic
beverages
I
think
that's
a
big
concern
so
the
hours
and
the
and
that
are
a
big
concern.
G
For
me,
the
hours
of
operations
seem
to
be
not
conducive
to
what
we
would
consider
a
very
close
residential,
neighborhood
I'm,
not
against
any
development
in
the
area.
But
to
me
there
are
other
properties
in
the
vicinity
that
could
use
some
positive
development,
and
that
might
be
might
be
a
better
focus
for
this
committee
than
this
type
of
development.
F
My
name
is
Catherine
Anderson
and
I'm
on
pen,
Lake,
Circle
and
I
also
am
agreeing
with
all
our
other
neighbors
that
the
hours
are
just
too
late
for
that
neighborhood.
Nothing
is
open
and
that
mall
really
past
eight
o'clock,
which
I'm
not
against
like
late
hours,
but
2
A.M
for
a
neighborhood
is
just
too
late
and
there's
so
many
other
places,
I
believe
in
Burns
in
Bloomington.
That
would
better
suit.
F
This
location
and
I
know
you're
going
to
answer
questions
later,
but
there
was
another
location
that
they
had,
that
was
denied
and
I
guess
it
was
based
because
it
was
a
not
a
commercial,
but
were
there
complaints
from
The
Neighbors
in
that
neighborhood
also
and
I'm
just
curious
like
how
long
do
tournaments
last
like?
Is
there
a
need
for
it
to
be
open
at
two
or
do
they
have
a
tournament
every
night.
F
And
are
they
interested
in
getting
a
liquor
license
down
the
road?
I
know,
that's
really
where
the
the
money
comes
in,
where
you
really
can
make
some
a
bigger
amount
of
money,
and
it
also
states
that
it
was
going
to
be
18
and
over.
Are
they
going
to
be
like
checking
everybody's
ID
that
comes
in
there
because
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
16
year
olds
want
to
go
play,
pool
at
like
midnight
and
and
what
is
a
safety
plan
like
I,
really
haven't
seen
that
if
we
could
address
that
after
so
thank
you
thank.
J
H
F
F
H
H
More
reasonable
time
limit
for
this
particular
neighborhood,
especially
given
that
there
are
single-family
homes
on
two
sides
of
the
development
as
missile
day
showed
you
in
the
illustration.
I
do
have
one
question
and
that
is
about
the
public
safety
plan.
I
wanted
to
know
who
enforces
that
plan
and
what
the
consequences
are
if
the
plan
is
violated,
for
instance
loitering.
If
there
is
a
lot
of
loitering
observed,
is
it
the
police
that
would
note
that
or
is
it
up
to
the
community
to
call
in
and
then
once
that's
verified?
H
H
My
name
is
Mary
bass,
fluke
I
live
at
8918
Newton,
that's
one
block,
it's
right
behind
where
this
venue
would
happen.
I
was
present
last
year
when
we
spoke
to
this
and
I.
Remember
the
question
coming
forth
directly
to
the
gentleman
who
was
here
to
represent
the
venue
asking
if
they
would
ever
consider
pursuing
a
liquor
license,
and
he
said
well
I'll
be
right
up
front.
We
probably
will
within
a
year's
time
so
I
want
to
remind
you
of
that.
H
H
E
I
My
name
is
Jay
Hansen
I
live
at
8900,
Newton,
Avenue,
South,
Bloomington,
Minnesota,
right
behind
the
strip,
mall
and
I'm
kind
of
curious
of.
Why
we're
here
again
discussing
this
again
we
have
the
same
complaints,
past
10
o'clock
as
far
as
parking
I'm
looking
at
the
map
of
parking
and
if
the
dollar
store
is
open,
that
parking
lot
in
front
of
their
venue
is
full,
along
with
all
the
other
parking
for
all
the
other
customers
that
are
open.
I
I
I
I
That
would
be
wonderful,
for
if
everybody
did
that
there
I've
got
a
dumpster
bow.
My
behind
my
house.
They
dropped
that
it's
shakes.
My
house
doesn't
matter
what
time
of
day,
every
time
we
they
change,
Disposal
Services.
We
have
to
go
out
there
and
tell
them
silent
times
from
seven
to
ten,
otherwise
they're
back
there
at
4,
30
dumping.
That
thing
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
Riff
Raff
behind
the
place.
You
know
we've
got
Kevin
who
was
injured.
I
We've
got
problems
with
Kevin,
with
noises
he's
having
aftermarket
parties
there
or
after
our
parties
there
that
We've
dealt
with
personally,
but
if
it
becomes
a
problem,
we're
gonna
have
to
turn
them
in
and
same
with
this
venue.
If
they're
gonna,
you
know
have
the
back
door
open,
even
we
can't
have
that
back
door.
Open,
we'll
hear
everything.
I
I
So
you
know
I
welcome
the
business,
but
you
know
if
he
could
do
10
o'clock
hours.
I'd
be
glad
glad
to
have
him
in
the
neighborhood.
But
you
know
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
people
you
know
should
pool
at
two
in
the
morning.
One
midnight.
It's
usually
you
know
the
old
saying
nothing
good
happens
after
midnight.
A
H
H
A
B
A
A
C
Thank
you,
chair
Roman,
so,
upon
review
of
the
application
pun,
review
of
some
aerial
photos,
I
noticed
some
dumpsters
were
stored
outside
that
is
in
violation,
so
those
dumpsters
have
to
be
moved
inside.
As
part
of
this
application,
there
is
an
indoor
Corridor,
so
there's
space
inside
for
those
dumpsters.
A
C
C
A
A
A
C
A
C
A
C
E
C
Sure
thank
you
chair,
commissioner
Albrecht.
This
property
is
zoned
before
so.
That's
neighborhood
commercial
and
the
comprehensive
plan
designates
it
as
general
business,
which
allows
for
a
variety
of
retail
and
service
oriented
uses
such
as
an
indoor,
entertainment
and
Recreation.
So
it
does
comply
with
both
our
zoning,
which
is
a
conditional
use
permit
and
the
B4
zoning
District,
which
is
the
reason
why
they're
here
tonight,
so
it
does
comply
with
both
our
zoning
and
our
comprehensive
plan.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
One
of
the
things
that
I
had
mentioned
when
we
first
saw
this
item
is
that
I
do
believe
that
eyes
on
the
street
and
having
a
business
there
versus
having
an
empty
space
actually
helps
the
community
more
eyes.
More
people
are
there
to
keep
things
in
line.
Keep
things
in
check
versus
having
an
empty
space,
so
I
understand
that
there
are
concerns
about
noise
and
understand
their
concerns
about
traffic.
K
C
Sure
so,
last
time
there
was
a
condition
related
to
three
verified
nuisance,
as
identified
in
chapter
12.
I
believe
that
the
applicant
must
submit
a
public
safety
plan
approved
by
the
police
department,
so
that
condition
has
been
removed
and
because
that
applicant
has
provided
a
public
safety
plan
that
address
addresses
possible
nuisances.
K
Very
well,
thank
you.
I
think
where
I'm
at
with
this
Mr
chair
is
that
I'm
not
ready
to
assume
something
bad
is
going
to
happen
before
it
has
I.
Don't
think,
that's
fair
of
us
to
assume
there's
going
to
be
noise
problems
assume
that
liquor
is
going
to
be
brought
in
assume
that
bad
things
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
public
safety
plan.
K
The
he's
come
here
within
an
honest
application
to
the
best
of
his
ability,
and
if
there
are
problems
the
that
is,
then
the
purview
of
the
police,
department
and
public
health
to
take
care
of
those
things
and
I'm
not
ready
to
assume
negative
things
are
going
to
happen
before
they
do
so.
I
am
in
support
of
this
application.
A
You
know
again,
we
we
spent
a
fair
bit
of
time
working
through
this.
The
last
time
it
was
here
if,
if,
if
there's
one
thing,
I'm
frustrated
is
that
you
know
folks
are
are
feeling
this
this
tension
again
and
we
we
kind
of,
went
through
this
and
had
an
opportunity
to
work
through
it.
So
I
wish
that
this
had
gone
forward
and
we
learned
what
we
got
if
it
went
when
we
approved
it.
Last
time
went
in
place
and
we
we
found
out
where
it
was
I.
A
A
You
know
we
asked
the
staff
about
that,
because
if
they
don't
have
those
things
on
record,
they
can't
ensure
that
enforcement.
The
things
like
the
garbage,
that's
an
obvious
problem
and
people
shouldn't
have
to
deal
with
that.
But
if
this,
if
the
city
doesn't
know
about
it,
they
don't
have
a
record
to
to
take
action
with
it
with
the
property
owner
at
large.
So
I
am
not
insensitive
to
the
concerns
that
were
raised,
but
it
is
an
allowed
use
conditional
use
in
this
facility
and
So.
A
Based
on
the
conversations
we
had
last
time,
the
conditional
conditions
we
recommended
last
time,
which
are
now
embedded
into
the
base
proposal.
I
too,
am
comfortable
with
this
application.
I
think
there
are
processes
to
remedy
situations,
as
commissioner
cookton
said,
if
problems
do
arise
and
if
the,
if
the
neighbors
do
observe
problems
and
they
and
they
use
the
processes
that
are
in
place,
there
are
ways
to
resolve
those
and
and
to
ensure
that
these
things
exist
in
harmony.
So
that's
where
I'm
at
in
the
other
discussion.
B
A
A
A
K
L
L
So
a
little
bit
of
History,
the
city
council
approved
a
two-year
temporary
conditional
use
permit
in
2005
a
five-year
temporary
conditional
use
permit
in
2007
and
a
conditional
use
permit
in
2012
restricted
to
the
tenant
space
5109b.
The
change
of
space
in
the
existing
shopping
center
will
require
a
new
conditional
use
permit,
which
that's?
Why
you
see
this
application
before
before
you
tonight.
L
The
applicant
again,
the
applicant
rule
occupy
29
123
square
feet
of
Lee
space
in
the
existing
shopping
center.
As
shown
in
the
this
floor
plan,
a
staff
reviewed
existing
lighting
and
Landscape
Landscaping
close
to
the
proposed
side
and
found
no
changes
needed
from
the
applicant
parking
has
been
sufficient
sufficient
since
2005
for
this
use
and
since
they're
relocating
to
another
tenant
space
in
the
existing
shopping
center,
a
parking
started
studied
was
not
needed.
L
E
You
chair,
my
question
is
related
to
the
conditional
use
permit
issued
in
2012
that
was
issued
for
a
specific
space
in
that
same
shopping
center.
Is
that
a
typical
way
to
issue
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
specific
space,
or
is
there
a
conditional
use
permit
that
just
allows
that
use
in
the
entire
building.
L
B
Chair
Roman,
commissioner
Albrecht,
so
we
have
had
that
condition
frequently
applied
in
conditional
use
permits,
but
not
always
so
it
varies.
Some
some
have
them
some
don't
and
there's
kind
of
pros
and
cons
to
having
such
a
condition.
One
of
the
cons
is
that
when
somebody
wants
to
move
within
the
same
Center,
then
it
has
to
come
back
through
for
another
review,
so
in
this
case
we're
not
recommending
that
that
condition
be
carried
forward.
L
K
L
B
Yeah,
chair
Roman,
commissioner
cookton
I,
would
guess
that
would
have
been
a
product
of
a
parking
concern
at
the
time.
Parking
was
probably
analyzed
and
they
were
probably
very
close
to
or
at
their
requirement,
and
so
the
concern
would
have
been
having
that
tournament
would
add
parking
demand,
potentially,
okay.
Thank
you.
F
L
H
H
I
I've
been
listening
and
I
I.
Don't
think
that
I
have
anything
to
add.
It
all
sounds
very
accurate,
as
mentioned
we've
been
there
since
2005,
and
to
my
knowledge
we
haven't
had
any
complaints
or
incidences
and
simply
relocating
within
the
same
Mall
as
far
as
holding
any
tournaments
or
large
events.
We
don't
we're
part
of
a
large
organization
in
in
the
Midwest
and
any
any
big
large
events
that
we
hold
are
typically
held
at
large
event.
H
A
B
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
I
can
Echo
what
commissioner
cookton
said.
I'm
in
support,
it
seems
fairly
straightforward.
I
do
appreciate
that
the
condition
regarding
the
space
and
number
specifically
is
eliminated
not
saying
that
the
business
is
going
to
move,
but
would
have
created
a
an
easier
process,
probably
for
this
business,
just
to
move
spaces.
I.
F
A
Is
there
a
second
second,
you
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
excuse
me
approve
a
conditional
use
permit
at
the
subject
property
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
opposed
that
motion
passes.
This
is
a
final
decision
by
the
commission
and
lesson
appeal
is
received
by
4
30
pm
on
October
18th.
A
The
chair's
prerogative
I
am
going
to
reorder
the
agenda
in
the
interest
of
we
have
a
quorum,
although
we're
moving
to
study
items
which
does
not
require
a
quorum,
but
knowing
that
some
of
the
commitments
that
Commissioners
have
I'm
going
to
move
us
to
item
number
four,
and
we
will
do
item
number
four
number
five
and
then
we'll
return
to
item
number
three.
So
this
time
I
would
ask
planner
Rick
bile
to
give
us
the
presentation
on
Cottage,
home
standards
and
I
see
a
senior
planner.
Johnson
is
with
us.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
and
members
of
the
commission
good
to
see
you
again.
It's
been
a
little
while
so
we,
while
these
were
while
these
two
items
are
broken
out
as
separate
in
your
agenda,
they
kind
of
touch
on
a
similar
topic
and
theme
that
we
want
to
talk
about.
So
we
thought
it
would
be
prudent
to
kind
of
combine
the
presentation
and
make
it
into
one
flowing
thing.
Hopefully
thank
you.
Mallory,
okay
looks
good.
J
So
the
topic,
the
two
sub-topics
are
Cottage
Home
Development,
which
is
a
development
of
residential
development
type,
that
kind
of
goes
by
different
names
and
then
a
request
from
the
city
council
that
was
added
to
the
2022
work
plan
to
review
the
city's
town
home
standards.
One
of
the
Hot
Topics
in
planning
and
housing
recently
has
been
the
subject
of
middle
housing
or
missing
middle
housing,
as
some
people
call
it.
J
So
when
you
think
about
the
spectrum
of
housing,
certainly
kind
of
going
along
down
the
line
here
on
the
slide,
you
have
single
family,
which
is
the
predominant
housing
type
in
Bloomington
kind
of
going
left
to
right
across
the
screen
there
and
kind
of
different
housing
types.
Adus
two
family
dwellings
there
in
the
bottom
left
is
a
cottage
Home,
Development
Town
Homes
certainly
have
a
lot
of
town
homes
in
Bloomington
and
then
multi-family
housing,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
this
has
become
a
Hot
Topic.
There's
a
few
reasons
for
that
in
Bloomington.
J
In
the
last
five
years,
1441
net
residential
units
have
been
added.
We
don't
have
the
full
data
for
22,
of
course,
yet,
but
of
that
amount
of
residential
dwellings
that
have
been
added
98
of
those
are
multiple
family
dwellings
in
Bloomington,
so
overwhelmingly
all
multi-family
and
we're
a
fully
built
out
community.
So
certainly
that
makes
sense.
J
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
this
statute
or
the
the
state
law
that
has
kind
of
created
this
conundrum,
but
right
now
there's
some
challenge
or
complexity
to
the
state's
condo
laws,
which
was
really
stunted
the
development
and
growth
of
condos
in
Minnesota
since
the
passing
of
that
law.
So
unless
something
along
those
lines
were
to
change,
it
results
in
multi-family
not
being
a
really
good
path
to
get
affordable
ownership
in
that
setting.
J
As
far
as
other
elements
that
are
relevant
to
this
discussion,
the
city's
housing
element
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
it
calls
for
a
range
and
variety
of
housing
choices.
It
also
talks
about
reducing
barriers,
regulatory
barriers
for
the
creation
of
non-traditional
housing
types
specifically
adus
to
family
dwellings,
those
types
of
Housing
and
then
certainly
the
comp
plan
strongly
emphasizes.
Creating
and
preserving
affordable
housing.
J
J
It
certainly
relates
to
what
we're
going
to
be
discussing
here
tonight,
but
it
also
relates
to
the
single
family
and
two
family
residential
zoning
update
project,
which
will
be
coming
before
you
at
a
public
hearing
type
setting
either
later
in
November
or
in
December,
so
not
not
far
away.
One
of
the
issues
that
we've
encountered
is
that
the
city's
future
planned
land
use
categories,
specifically
the
residential
categories.
As
you
see
on
your
screen.
Currently,
we
have
three
categories
set
up
in
our
comp
plan:
low
medium
and
high
density
residential.
J
J
Within
These
categories
is
really
workable
for
the
goals
that
the
city,
the
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
have
established
in
these
in
the
zoning
code
and
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
hopefully
on
a
parallel
track,
but
at
worst
case
scenario,
not
far
after
we're
likely
going
to
be
bringing
a
comprehensive
plan
text
amendment
to
examine
this
specific
issue,
we
have
had
a
preliminary
meeting
with
met,
Council
and
based
on
our
early
meeting
with
them.
They
are
supportive
of
this
approach.
J
One
of
the
things
to
note
about
this
is
that,
because
Bloomington
is
a
fully
built
out
Community,
even
tinkering
with
some
of
these
density
ranges
doesn't
really
result
in
a
very
large
increase
in
our
overall
population
projections
or
housing
projections.
You're
really
talking
about
Redevelopment
and
infill
type
projects.
M
M
Okay,
so
Cottage
home
developments
are
basically,
they
are
smaller,
detached
housing
structures,
sometimes
arranged
or
oriented
around
a
shared
Courtyard,
and
what
makes
this
missing
middle
housing
style
unique.
Is
that
there's
a
lot
of
variability
in
this
housing
type?
So
you
can
have
Cottage
home
developments
that
have
larger
homes
or
you
could
have
them
be
more
Compact
and
to
be
smaller.
So
there
are.
They
are
also
called
cluster
communities
or
Cottage,
Court
communities
and
other
cities.
For
the
purposes
of
this
presentation
moving
forward,
we
we
prefer
the
term
Cottage
home
developments.
M
M
This
is
the
we
we've
spoken
with
planners
from
each
of
the
communities
shown
on
the
screen
about
the
standards
that
they
apply
to
Cottage
home
developments,
as
well
as
the
status
of
projects
and-
and
if
this
has
has
come
to
fruition.
Richfield,
who
has
had
a
policy
for
around
10
years
has
yet
to
develop
a
cottage
Home,
Development,
Minneapolis,
St,
Paul
and
Duluth
have
had
a
few
developments
that
are
the
cottage
Cottage
home
or
in
the
form
of
the
cottage
home
development.
M
It
is
also
worth
noting
that
Saint,
Paul,
Duluth
and
Minneapolis
are
also
cities
that
adhere
to
form
based
code,
and
so
they
do
have
some
Provisions
as
it
relates
to
their
performance
standards.
Setbacks
that,
if
a
if
there
is
where
there
is
strict
adherence
is
Impractical,
there
is
some
flexibility
that
is
built
in
that
allows.
The
proposed
alternative
is
proposed
if
the
proposed
alternative
meets
the
intent
Richfield
prescribes
to
the
more
traditional
or
euclidean
Tony
zoning
philosophy,
and
so
those
are
much
more
or
less
less
flexible.
M
And
on
okay,
so
the
the
big
takeaway
points-
and
there
are
other
slides,
moving
forward
that
go
into
some
of
these
in
more
greater
detail,
but
the
across
the
board.
The
approval
processes
are
conditional,
use
with
subject
to
appeal
or
subject
to
revocation,
and
then
there
is
some
variability.
Every
city
does
kind
of
a
different
thing
in
terms
of
the
utilities
requirement
for
cottage
home
development
and
net
density
is
the
only
community
of
the
four
that
are
shown
to
you.
M
So
these
are
some
of
the
big
questions
that
we
are
seeking
feedback
this
evening
and
and
what
we'll
do
is
I'll
kind
of
go
through
and
provide
those
slides,
and
then
you
can
give
us
feedback
on
what
you
would
like
to
see.
If,
indeed,
you
would
like
to
see
a
policy
framework
for
cottage
home
developments,
but
things
that
we
would
like
to
Spur
discussion
is
what
zoning
districts
should
cottage
homes
be
permitted.
M
What
approval
process
should
be
used?
What
is
the
direction
in
terms
of
medium
lot
size?
What
is
the
direction
that
is
preferred
for
maximum
number
of
units?
What
direction
is
preferred
for
parking
requirements,
proximity
to
arterial
or
collector
roads,
and
what
direction
is
preferred
for
owner
occupancy.
M
So
I
have
the
map
of
the
zoning
districts
we
could.
We
could
go
in
the
way
of
if
it
is
approved,
to
have
Cottage
home
developments
in
R1
and
rs
zoning
districts,
and
that
is
the
rs1
is
the
yellow
spots
on
the
map
and
then
the
the
part
without
any
fill
is
the
R1
or
the
R3
or
rm12,
which
is
the
combined
with
some
other
RM.
Zoning
districts
in
R4
is
the
sort
of
beige
color
that
you're
seeing.
M
Then
another
big
question
is
what
approval
process
should
be
used.
There
is,
of
course,
going
from
sort
of
the
one
that
allows
the
most
discretion
to
the
least
starts
with
rezoning.
This
is
the
most
discretion
possible.
It
is
both
costly
or
it
is
the
most
costly
and
lengthy
option
and
then
there's
conditional.
This
process
includes
a
public
hearing,
a
required
notification
of
neighboring
residents.
M
The
conditional
use
permit
could
be
approved
by
either
the
Planning
Commission
subject
to
appeal
or
city
council,
and
it
offers
less
discretion
than
the
rezoning,
but
more
discretion
than
the
permitted
approach.
And
then
the
permitted
approach
could
be
reviewed
administratively.
It
does
represent
the
least
cost
and
the
most
timely
process.
M
It's
worth
noting
that,
right
now
it
might
be
advantageous
to
model
a
policy
from
the
framework
of
how
the
discussions
on
standards
for
single
family
and
two
family
residential
dwellings
will
be
how
those
conversations
evolve
in
the
next
few
months
and
as
planner
Johnson
said
earlier,
the
current
guy
playing
density
for
low
density
residential
is
five
units,
an
acre
I've
on
this
slide.
A
slide.
M
In
terms
of
cottage
home
developments,
one
of
the
big
questions
is:
how
do
we?
How
do
we
determine
the
maximum
number
of
units?
We
could
do
a
a
way
that
we
say
every
unit
has
to
have
at
least
300
000
square
foot
per
dwelling,
or
we
could
say
five
single
or
five,
a
maximum
of
five
in
single
family
zones
no
limit
in
other
zones,
or
we
could
do
a
combination
of
the
two.
M
M
In
terms
of
owner
occupancy
requirements
right
now,
the
only
Richfield
is
the
only
community
that
requires
them
for
cottage
house
or
Cottage
home
developments,
and
we
do
require
an
occupancy
for
Adu.
The
staff
physician
right
now
is
to
not
require
fur
Cottage
home
developments,
but
then
that's
something
that
we're
getting
feedback
from
you
all
as
well,
and
then
there's
limiting
factors
that
exist
within
our
code
that
might
constrain
the
number
of
developments
or
the
size
of
developments
as
they
exist
in
Bloomington.
M
M
We
do
Envision
that,
if
cottage
homes,
if
they
were
allowed,
might
match
a
similar,
something
similar
to
the
two
family
standards
and
then
the
setback
requirements
are
similar
in
that
regard.
So
two
family
houses,
I,
believe,
have
50
foot
setback,
and
so
that
might
limit
the
size.
But
if
these
happen
to
change,
we
might
expect
that
Cottage
hump
developments
would
sort
of
adhere
to
what
we
envision
for
two
family
dwellings.
M
A
Thank
you
for
that,
since
this
is
a
study
item,
I
think
we
can
be
a
little
more
informal
in
our
conversation,
so
I
think.
If
the
works
for
the
commission,
maybe
we'll
go
back
and
work
our
way
through
some
of
the
slides
that
you
have
we're
looking
for
feedback
on
and
maybe
we'll
just
work
through
those
little
by
little.
E
J
A
J
I
mean
just
a
for
those
commissioner
albrecht's,
probably
more
aware
of
kind
of
what
that
situation
is,
but
real.
Briefly,
it's
my
understanding
that
they,
the
guarantee,
is
that
the
developer
is
on
the
hook
for
a
certain
period
of
time
to
maintain
the
property
or
any
catastrophic
structural
failures
which
makes
financing
those
projects
challenging
so
yeah.
E
J
A
E
I
guess
I'm
just
not
sure
why
this
would
be
any
different
than
how
we
view
town
homes
in
this
town.
Home
standards
feels
like
that
is
a
good
similarity
and
enough
so
that,
if
it
works
for
Town
Homes,
it
should
work
for
cottage
homes,
but
I
know
we're
kind
of
it's
we're
kind
of
doing
both
at
the
same
time.
So
is
the
are
these
also
considered
to
be
changes
for
the
town
home
development
standards.
J
Can
I
take
yeah,
chair,
Roman,
commissioner
Albrecht,
so
yeah
I
think
in
staff
discussion,
and
maybe
one
thing
that
can
maybe
add
some
context
to
the
discussion
too.
Is
that
even
if
you
had
one
dwelling
on
a
lot
and
say
you
just
wanted
to
add
one
more
dwelling,
that
would
be
a
cottage
Home
Development,
so
you
could
be
talking
about
as
little
as
two
any
any
just
adding
one
additional
detached
dwelling.
J
Think
on
more
of
our
internal
discussions,
we
view
this
use
as
closer
to
two
family
dwellings
than
we
do.
Town,
Homes,
Town,
Homes,
particularly
implemented,
and
we'll
talk
about
that
next,
but
most
town
home
developments
have
many
units
they
have
as
many
as
the
you
know,
the
non-conforming
ones
there's
some
buildings
that
have
10
or
more
units
in
a
single
attached
structure,
some
of
them
the
Code
standard
now
is
a
maximum
of
six,
but
these
are
detached
from
one
another.
J
They
are
distinct
dwellings
in
that
way,
they
don't
have
shared
common
walls
or
those
types
of
things,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
it
that
way,
I
think
about
okay
town
homes
and
we'll
talk
about
that
process.
Next,
but
that's
a
re-guiding
and
rezoning
process
highly
discretionary,
two
families
all
the
way
at
the
other
end
of
that
Spectrum
right
now,
except
when
in
a
grouping,
but
it's
a
permitted
use
in
R1.
So
you
know
what
district
should
it
be
allowed
in?
J
If
you
think
it's
more
similar
to
two
family
dwelling,
then
maybe
it
should
be
allowed
in
R1,
if
you
think
it's
more
similar
to
town
homes
than
likely
than
it
would
result
in
considering
a
zoning
District
more
similar
to
that's
appropriate
for
town
homes.
So
it's
kind
of
a
it's
kind
of
how
you
view
it
kind
of
thing
and
I
think
it's
it's
going
to
depend
on
what
performance
standards
you
establish
that
kind
of
set
the
development
potential.
Frankly,
I.
A
Think
it
gets
to
the
question
about
going
to
lead
or
bleeding
in
a
little
bit
to
the
other,
some
of
your
other
questions,
but
whether
we'd
it'd
be
what
level
of
discretion
we
have
in
the
or
we
recommend
and
as
you
bring
it
back,
you
know,
I
think
it
where
the
location
is
for
me
depends
on
how
big
is
the
development
right.
So
let's
say
that
someone
wants
to
scrape
my
house
I.
Think
it's
a
third
of
an
acre
ladder.
A
A
that
different
I
mean
we
feel
differently
about
that.
And
so
that's
just
that's
just
what
I'm
thinking
out
loud
is
as
I
look
at
you
know
what
would
we
recommend
for
where
it's
similar
to
two
family
and
where
it
becomes
more
similar
to
multi-family?
Those
are
the
things
I
think
about
which
then
gets
into
your
proximity
question,
which
then
could
get
into
a
re-platting
and
rezoning
and
all
those
things
so.
M
Chair
Roman,
commissioner
Albrecht,
that's
the
first
time,
I
got
it
right,
so
yeah
there
it
varies
so
Duluth
they
have
more.
They
had
I
think
two
Cottage
home
developments
that
were
all
built
at
the
same
time
and
so
I
think
I
think
there
were
at
least
five
units
in
those,
whereas
the
case
studies
we
looked
for
Minneapolis,
it
was
three
or
it
was
a.
It
was
a
a
duplex
that
added
another
primary
or
dwelling.
J
M
J
J
To
do
that,
the
Duluth
situation
was
a
little
bit
of
an
oddball
in
that
it
was
actually
kind
of
a
green.
Not
it
was
a
part
of
town
that
was
not
previously
developed
in
a
Seward
area,
so
it
was
like
a
very
kind
of
it's,
not
rural,
like
you'd,
think
of
a
rural
area,
but
it
was
a
part
of
Duluth
that
had
very
large
lots
and
they
were
transitioning.
These
large
lot
areas
to
a
small,
Cottage,
Park
or
Cottage
Home
Development.
J
Rather
so
that
was
a
little
bit
of
an
oddball,
but
you
know
bloomington's
more
built
out.
We
don't
have
a
large
undeveloped
areas
of
land
that
are
scheduled
for
single-family
development.
I
can
only
think
of
one
on
the
east
end
of
98th
Street
kind
of
on
the
river.
That's
a
you
know
where
you
can
actually
get
more
than
five
lots
and
to
the
point
about
you
know,
grouping
them
together.
J
Permit
one
thing:
I
will
say
about
that
to
me
that
about
the
Minneapolis
and
St
Paul
and
Duluth
examples
where
I
think
they
probably
have
more
aggressive
policies
in
their
single
family,
certainly
than
what
we
have
here
now
today.
They
still
all
do
require
conditional
use
permit
process,
so
that
has
to
be
approved
by
Planning
Commission.
So.
A
These
cottage
homes
are
in
what
we're
discussing
are:
are
we're
discussing
fully
independent,
freestanding
home?
We
I
remember
when
we
met
with
the
HRA.
There
was,
we
talked
about
all
types
of
Housing
and
there
were
some
that
were
small
homes,
but
then
there
was
like
a
community
house
that
yep,
so
you
didn't
have
all
the
things
in
your
home
that
you
would
need
to
be
completely
self-sufficient.
We're
talking
about
cottage
homes
that
are
completely
self-sufficient.
J
Correct
that's
correct
and
Mallory
if
I
can
speak
to
that,
because
that
was
part
of
kind
of
the
city
after
it
went
to
your
study
session,
it
went
to
city
council
study
session
and
they
had
questions
about
that
and
the
direction
that
they
had
as
of
the
land
use
that
they
were
more
interested
in
was
the
fully
self-sufficient
dwelling
units
that
had
the
cooking
sanitary
and
sleeping
facilities
all
in
one
unit.
We
did
do
research
about
that
other
use
type.
J
J
One
thing
we
didn't
mention
too
in
the
presentation-
and
maybe
we
touched
on
a
little
bit
in
adus,
but
construction
along
these
lines
with
modular
construction
is
going
to
change
the
game
on
some
of
these
things.
So,
like
related
to
town
homes
too,
you
know,
land
prices
is
one
thing.
That's
just
going
to
continue
to
remain
a
challenge,
but
if
there's
new
methods
of
construction
and
new
types
of
materials
that
make
these
types
of
dwellings
more
affordable
to
approach,
you
might
see
kind
of
a
changing
landscape.
J
Even
Within
These
low
density
areas
a
little
bit
and
we
think
we'll
see
that
with
adus
it
just
hasn't
caught
on
yet,
and
not
only
that,
but
there's
not
like
a
really
a
well-established
developer
set
for
this
type
of
development.
You
know
you
have
some
small
actors
or
kind
of
lower
volume
actors
in
that
market,
but
it's
just
not
a
big
thing,
because
the
it's
just
not
as
profitable.
J
It
would
be
significant,
significant
difference
we
haven't
done
without
establishing
what
a
minimum
lot
size
will
be,
and
part
of
our
challenge
is
that
some
of
that
discussion
is
going
to
build
off
of
Whatever
Gets
adapted
for
the
single
and
two
family
zoning.
So
it's
a
little
bit
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
and
that's
why
I
don't
know
if
we
got
to
the
last
slide,
but
it's
it's
likely
something
that
we
have
to
work
on
next
year.
E
The
requirements
may
be
such
that
if
we
decide
or
decide
on
a
certain
zoning
district,
and
then
we
put
all
these
requirements
in
place,
then
there's
nowhere
that
this
can
be
developed
and
I.
Just
don't
want
to
be
in
the
position
where
that
happens.
It's
similar
to
the
public
storage
facilities,
which
really
I
mean
it's
impossible,
so
I
don't
want
to
get
us
into
a
place
where
we
want.
E
If,
if
the
goal
is,
if
the
end
goal
is
Middle
housing,
missing
middle
housing
and
we're
working
backwards
from
that,
then
I
think
we
have
to
be
flexible
and
figure
out.
Well,
where
would
these
things
go
and
how
would
they
actually
get
developed
and
is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
to
kind
of
incentivize
or
at
least
make
the
door
slightly
a
jar,
because
this
isn't
something
that's
been
done
or
has
been
has
taken
on
in
really
in
any
community
with
you
know,
substantially
yeah.
J
Chair
commissioner
Albrecht
one
thing,
I'll
say
too,
is
that
all
the
whole
list
of
things
that
Mallory
has
presented
to
you
and
is
going
to
discuss?
They
all
have
levers
one
way
or
the
other
that
are
going
to
make
it
more
difficult
to
do.
This
development
are
less
difficult
to
do
this
development
in
balancing
act
with
the
value
that
that
regulation
provides
you
in
order
to
maintain
semblance
of
strong
neighborhoods
low
density
areas.
You
know
neighborhood
continuity,
make
the
development
fit
in
and
be
appropriate
with
kind
of
the
existing
context.
B
A
Guess
I
would
I
would
be
in
favor
of
starting
your
investigation
broadly
and
then
looking
at
what
the
performance
standards
might
be,
that
keep
them
from
being
too
concentrated
or
similar
to
what
the,
as
you
said,
similar
to
how
you
think
about
two
family.
That's
where
I
would
start
from
I
guess
and
see
what
what
your
your
work
produces.
A
H
H
A
Happened
so
on
this
one
I
I
lean
toward
the
permitted
use
with
whatever
performance
standards
we
have
that
again
to
to.
If
we're
going
to
allow
it
in
more
places,
I
think
we
want
to
avoid
it
becoming
concentrated
or
being
too
inconsistent
with
whatever's
around,
but
I
I'm
less
interested
in
public
hearings,
where
someone
doesn't
want
it
next
door,
because
they're
worried
that
it
doesn't
fit
in.
That's
my
take.
E
I
I
agree
with
that
and
I
think
it's
important
to
allow
the
public
to
say
their
peace
on
what
they,
what
they
want
or
don't
want
in
their
neighborhood.
So
my
as
long
as
the
conditions
are
met
right,
it
seems
like
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
it
be
a
conditional
use,
though
again
are
replanting
ourselves
out
of
more
than
less
so
that
I
can
kind
of
go
back
and
forth.
That
was
not
an
answer.
K
I
lean
towards
the
conditional
use
permit
I,
hear
you're
concern
about
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
meetings
with
residents
that
get
anxious,
but
I
think
the
one
thing
I've
noticed
in
my
time
on
the
commission
is
that
the
things
people
care
about
most
are
what
happens
next
to
their
house.
We
can
put
up
as
big
of
an
office
Tower
or
to
hotels.
We
want
and
nobody
comes,
but
when
something
comes
next
to
their
home
or
down
the
street,
they
care
and
so
I
think
the
public
would
not
be
happy
with
us.
K
J
Roman,
if
I
may
this,
this
is
another
this
this
and
the
parking
one
are
ones
that
are
going
to
be
highly
informed
by
whatever
happens
next
with
single
and
two
family,
so
I
I
don't
say
that
to
discourage
your
discussion,
it's
just
that.
I
think
that
those
are
going
to
set
important
data
points
and
benchmarks
for
this
use.
E
B
E
K
A
E
E
M
Chair,
commissioner,
the
way
that
I
interpret
this
is
that
within
one
development.
So
if
you
have
a
15,
000
square
foot
lot,
then
we
would
say
that
you
could
have
five
you
could
have.
You
would
need
at
least
three
thousand
square
feet
per
unit,
so
that
would
limit
you
to
five
or
we
can
do
a
numeric
cap
at
saying
no
more
than
five
or
no
more
than
four
no
more
than
six,
and
we
can
also
relegate
that
to
whatever
Zone
it's
in
or-
and
we
could
do.
J
Yeah
chair,
commissioner,
if
I
can
add
to
that
too.
We
we
have
some
particularly
along
the
river,
but
we
have
some
R1
lots
that
are
actually
quite
sizable,
and
so
that's
what
kind
of
leads
us
down
a
path
of
thinking
that
a
combination
approach
makes
the
most
amount
of
sense
and
to
your
concern
about
wow.
This
isn't
more
of
this
is
more
akin
to
a
town
home
development.
J
A
Also
raises
the
question
of
it:
it's
mentioned
in
the
in
the
two
families
I
think
in
the
in
the
duplex
or
the
two
family.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
and
not
another
one
within
a
certain
distance
right.
Is
it
500
500.,
so
I
mean
there
may
be
something
like
that.
That's
a
standard
as
well
like
you
could
put
five
of
them
on
a
lot,
but
you
couldn't
have
another
cluster
of
five
within
a
certain
distance.
E
That's
how
I
that's
how
I
was
reading.
This
was
close,
not
clustering
them
and
I
was
gonna,
say
I,
don't
think!
That's
a
bad
idea
to
actually
cluster
them.
I
think
only
because
I'm
thinking
about
available
lots
and
where
that
would
be-
and
it
would
be
along
the
river
and
in
the
larger
Lots
I,
wouldn't
want
to
say
like
well.
No,
your
neighbor
put
another.
A
E
A
J
A
J
A
G
J
Yeah,
so
a
little
bit
of
background,
our
two
family
dwellings
aren't
required
to
have
certain
proximity
to
artillery
collector
roads.
Adus
aren't
Town
Hall.
What
I
think
what
Mallory
was
was
striving
at
with
the
land
use
comment
is
that
our
zoning
districts
are
tied
to
having
access
to
collector
arterials
once
you
give
to
a
certain
level
of
density,
so
like
rm12,
for
example,
calls
for
access
to
R2
and
collectors,
but
R3
does
not.
J
So
we
don't
have
again
if
you're
thinking
about
this
more
in
the
mode
of
a
two-family
dwelling
or
even
a
small
town
home
development.
Frankly,
because
R3
does
not
require
that,
then
we
don't
think
this
would
necessarily
be
appropriate
for
this
land
use,
but
we
didn't
want
to
just
bypass
it
without
your.
K
The
way
I
think
about
these
standards
of
being
on
a
certain
type
of
road
is
it's
either
you're
on
it
or
you're,
not
because
I,
don't
think
it's
a
matter
of
traffic.
You
know
five
little
houses
isn't
going
to
do
anything
to
traffic.
It's
a
matter
of
neighborhood
fuel.
If
you're
on
a
busy
street.
This
is
less
impactful.
It's
already
busy,
there's
already
traffic.
You
already
hear
stuff.
If
you're
on
a
really
quiet
street,
this
becomes
much
more
impactful,
so
I
think.
K
E
K
Thanks
for
saying
that,
because
when
I
was
reading
this
last
night
or
whatever
the
other
night,
I
was
trying
to
think
well,
if
they're
not
over
occupied,
why
not
just
Apartments,
because
you're
getting
more
units
per
acre
significantly
more.
So
why
do
this
from
a
city
perspective?
It
seems
like
well
I'd,
rather
just
have
Apartments
there,
because
we
get
more
density.
But
thank
you
for
your
point
that
from
owner
or
from
an
occupant
perspective,
it
might
be
better
because
it's
a
different
housing
choice
that
maybe
so
it
doesn't
want
to
live
in
an
apartment.
C
E
A
Thank
you,
yeah
I,
I,
agree,
I,
don't
think
owner
occupied
is
necessary.
I
think
there's
pros
and
cons
that
come
with
that.
If
you're,
the
renter
and
I
know
I've
known
and
visited
people,
who've
lived
in
both
situations
and
duplexes
where
the
owner
lived
on
the
other
side
of
the
wall
and
the
owner
didn't
and
I
think
as
a
renter
I
would
not
and
I
thought
I
would
like
that.
A
Actually,
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
your
other
one,
because
it's
something
I've
thought
of
before
you
know.
We
all
are
well
aware
of
the
the
issues
with
storm
water
and
with
runoff
and
with
increasing
rainfall.
We
also
know
that
there
are
different
challenges
that
come
with
density
or
trying
to
achieve
density
in
whatever
form.
That
is
whether
it's
some
of
our
bigger
projects
that
have,
or
you
know,
millions
of
dollars
in
managed
storm
water
on
site
or
some
of
these
residential
items,
where
it's
incremental
density
right.
A
We're
not
we're
not
massively
increasing
the
density,
but
maybe
you're
putting
two
of
these
cottage
homes
on
what
was
a
single
family
and
so
I
wonder
if
we
think
about-
and
this
is
not
necessarily
something
we
need
an
answer
to
anytime
soon.
But
I
know
when
I
lived
in
Minneapolis
Lots
were
categorized
based
on
your
impervious
surface
and
you
incurred
a
different
storm
water
fee.
A
Based
on
how
much
your
your
lot
generally
so
realizing
that
there
may
be
situations
where
we
might
have
to
come
up
with
other
ways
to
deal
with
the
issue
of
impervious
surface
other
than
just
trying
to
maintain.
As
much
grass
as
we
can,
so
it's
just
a
more
I
thought.
It's
not
necessarily
I
need
a
feedback
on,
but
there
are
things
that
can
be
intention.
J
Yeah,
chair
Roma,
if
I
can
add
I
I
can't
recall
if
Mallory
mentioned
this
or
not.
So
forgive
me
if
I'm
repeating
something
she
already
said,
but
the
issue
that
we
face
related
to
this
question
is
that
the
storm
sewers,
as
reported
by
our
engineering
division,
just
are
not
sized
on
the
same
level
or
diameter
as
some
infrastructure
in
other
communities.
J
So
when
they're,
allowing
for
more
impervious
to
be
allowed
in
two
family
dwellings
for
an
example
with
on-site,
stormwater
management
features
the
thought
process
there
is
that
it's
it's
not
going
to
add
added
capacity
to
our
storm
sewers.
So
even
if
they
take
on
that
approach
for
cottage
homes
or
even
for
single-family
homes,
more
largely
it'll
still
remain
a
limiting
factor,
but
a
financial
one,
because
these
these
storm
water
features
are
not
cheap
to
install
either
so.
A
E
J
Sure
Roman,
if
I
may
add
one
thing
to
that
consideration
too,
is
that
I
believe
planning
manager.
Market
guard
gave
you
an
update
about
the
reorganization
of
the
poor
to
the
HRA.
So
under
that
reorganization,
they
and
Glenn
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
hra's
new
challenge
or
new
mission
for
lack
of
a
better
term
has
to
do
with
development.
J
J
J
J
I
think
this
one
will
be
a
little
bit
faster
because
I
think
it's
more
of
a
I,
see
it
more
as
a
reporting
back
kind
of
an
update.
We
don't
talk
about
Townhomes
a
lot
mainly
because
again
we're
built
out
city
and
a
lot
of
them
are
developed
in
the
70s
and
80s,
so
just
doing
a
review
about
our
town
home
standards.
So
all
Town
Homes
come
in
many
different
forms
and
Fashions.
J
We
have
three
unit
buildings
we
have,
as
I
said,
some
buildings
have
more
than
10
units
and
current
standards
that
were
developed
and
adapted
in
the
more
recent
time
in
2015
cap.
The
number
of
units
in
a
single
structure
at
six
but
part
of
the
discussion
too.
This
might
seem
odd
for
me
to
bring
up,
but
just
what
is
a
town
home
and
the
reason
I
mention.
J
So
in
terms
of
what
is
a
town
home
now
in
our
zoning
code,
it
has
to
do
with
developments
that
are
more
than
three
units,
or
more
and
they're
configured
in
side
by
side
fashion,
not
stacked
vertically,
that
is
more
of
a
multi-family
residential
use
and
then
also
just
kind
of
think
about
kind
of
individual
access
or
doors.
Typically,
it's
not
a
shared
common
Corridor.
J
J
With
my
disclaimer
caveat
aside,
I
think
there's
there's
2266
townhome
units
according
to
a
success.
Excuse
me
assessing
data.
They
are
geographically
dispersed
throughout
the
community,
although
I
would
say
the
concentration
favors
a
little
bit
more
to
the
West
part
of
the
community
and
the
reason
for
that
really
has
mostly
to
do
just
with
the
era
that
they
were
developed
in.
That
was
the
portion
of
the
community
that
had
more
available
in
vacant
land
at
that
time.
J
Kind
of
get
into
the
next
slide
here.
This
just
kind
of
helps
more
tell
the
historic
tale.
You
know
very
few
townhome
units
were
developed
in
the
1960s
and
then
it
just
exploded,
boomed
in
the
1970s,
also
strong
production
in
the
80s
and
then
started
to
tail
down.
90S
2000s
and
2010s
there's
been
very
little
town
home
development
in
recent
years.
The
last
project
that
was
actually
approved
and
being
constructed
was
Bluffs
and
Sans
Pier
at
the
south
end
of
Lindale
Avenue.
J
J
Yeah
one
point
about
town
homes
in
terms
of
their
importance
to
achieving
some
of
the
city's
goals
of
our
housing
element.
Our
comprehensive
plan,
and
just
more
generally,
is
that
Townhomes
allow
for
a
robust
opportunity
for
affordable
home
ownership.
So
if
you
look
at
this
table
here,
this
is
based
on
affordability,
levels
that
are
set
by
the
Met
Council.
It's
a
regional
data
point
that
has
to
do
with
housing
costs
and
the
Metro
they
set.
J
Ami
11
of
percent,
so
to
almost
250
dwellings
are
at
the
50
Ami
level
and
17
of
those
dwellings
are
affordable
at
the
30
percent,
I
talked
to
environmental
health,
they
handled
the
rental
housing
program
at
the
city
and
they
asked
this
is.
This
is
not
gospel,
but
they
estimated
to
me
that
they
thought
that
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
between
25
and
35
percent
of
town
home
units
are
rentals.
So
I
don't
want
to
leave
that
data
point
out
of
it.
J
J
I
know
you
guys
have
seen
this
many
times,
so
I
won't
belabor
the
point,
but
maybe
more
for
the
most
benefit.
For
commissioner
McGovern,
maybe
Glenn
Glenn
did
some
training
about
the
Pyramid
of
discretion,
but
the
reason
I
raised
this
is
that
the
rezoning
and
re-guiding
actions
you
take
have
the
highest
level
of
discretion
associated
with
them.
So
it's
really
your
call
according
to
the
goals
and
strategies
and
priorities
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
whether
or
not
to
re-guide
and
rezone
a
site.
J
J
So
that
that
translates
into
this
next
discussion,
so
this
is
the
this
is
Snippets
of
the
future
planned
land
use
map,
also
with
the
arterial
and
collector
roads
put
on
them,
and
so
the
medium
density,
residential
category
talks
about
having
access
to
I
think
it's
encouraged
is
the
term
having
access
to
arterial
and
collector
roads,
so
in
the
the
the
medium
color
there
in
the
middle
of
the
three
colors
in
the
legend,
it's
kind
of
a
brown
color.
Those
are
areas
in
the
city
that
are
guided
medium
density.
J
Residential
most
of
those
areas
are
Town
Homes.
Not
all
of
those
areas
are
Town
Homes
currently,
but
that's
where
a
lot
of
your
existing
townhome
sites
are
going
to
be
guided
medium
density,
residential
in
discussing
ways
that
the
city
can
encourage
or
spur
more
Town,
Home,
Development
or
development
similar
to
town
homes.
J
From
a
density
perspective,
the
city
has
a
tool
in
its
two
box
toolbox
to
proactively
re-guide
properties,
to
higher
levels
of
density,
either
medium
density,
residential
or
high
density
residential,
and
that's
what
that
yellow
areas
are
and
kind
of
the
dark
red
area
are.
Those
are
areas
of
the
city
that
are
currently
actually
single
family
residential
uses
that
the
city
has
proactively
re-guided
as
part
of
past
comprehensive
plan
updates
that
we
have
done
and
the
results
of
that
have
been
fairly
mixed.
J
If
I
would
say,
Glenn
can,
if
you
want
to
input
here,
but
not
a
lot
of
development
has
been
spurred
by
those
proactive
re-guidings.
Most
of
those
areas
have
remained
single
family
but
I
think
in
terms
of
it
still
being
a
tool.
I
still
think
it
is
a
valuable
tool,
because
you
know
it's
one:
less
hurdle
or
threshold
to
clear
for
developer
and
I
think
it
communicates
as
a
city
where
we
think
higher
densities
of
residential
use
is
are
appropriate.
So
it's
a
tool
that
we
can
look
at
as
part
of
our
you
know.
J
Future
comprehensive
plan
updates
and
that's
something
the
city
council
has
talked
about
is
where
Townhomes
are
appropriate,
maybe
is
in
close
proximity
to
commercial
nodes.
Some
of
the
commercial
nodes
have
single-family
uses
around
them,
close
to
Old
Cedar
null
Shack,
for
example,
or
other
areas,
but
yeah.
So
that's
that's
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
get
into
the
zoning
piece
of
it.
Townhomes
are
allowed
in
those
zoning
districts
on
your
slide
there
from
staff's
perspective.
J
J
R3
has
standards
performance
standards
that
are
more
similar
to
single-family
residential.
In
terms
of
setbacks,
it's
not
required
to
have
access
to
arterial
collector
roads,
whereas
arm
12
has
setbacks
that
are
more
akin
to
our
multi-family
districts
and
does
require
access
to
arterial
and
collector
roads.
You
can
see
kind
of
the
density
ranges
of
those
districts
there
in
the
table,
but
that
just
gives
you
a
flavor
of
kind
of
what
the
regulatory
environment
is
for
town
homes.
J
So,
in
the
report
I
went
all
I
went
into
detail
on
all
these
different
performance
standards
that
we
adopted
in
2015.
We
don't
have
to
go
into
those
unless
you
have
a
specific
question
about
one
of
them,
but
these
are
again
back
to
that
kind
of
concept,
about
the
levers
that
you
can
pull
or
change
to
make
it
more
feasible
or
less
feasible.
These
are
kind
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
currently
require
that
we
can
look
at
one
of
on
the
recent
Town
Home
Development
and
on
prior
ones.
J
One
of
the
things
that
we
don't
have
memorialized
standards
on
is
secondary
access
to
arterial,
collector
roads
and
visitor
parking.
So
these
are
things
that
we
could
look
at.
It's
kind
of
a
variety
in
the
existing
townhome
developments
in
the
community.
Some
don't
have
secondary
access.
Many
do
some
are
located
closer
I
have
access
to
r2o
collectors,
some,
don't
some
of
them
have
a
more
robust
part,
visitor
parking
Supply
than
others.
We
don't
have
a
standard
in
code,
it's
very
vague
and
discretionary.
It
just
states
that
guest
parking
must
be
provided.
J
So
you
could
look
at
that
one
of
two
ways:
one
is
you
should
just
develop
a
requirement?
The
other
is
you
can
look
at
the
characteristics
of
each
development?
If
there's
possibility
for
on
Street
on
the
private
street
parking
that
kind
of
changes,
the
game
so
I'm
thinking,
that's
where
some
of
that
discretion
came
from,
but
just
things
to
consider
and
then
just
to
wrap
it
up
just
some
general
recommendations
related
to
town
homes,
we'll
report
back
to
the
city
council
on
this
too
again,
they
requested
this
kind
of
report.
J
But
you
know
what
kind
of
tools
can
the
city
do
to
Spur
or
encourage
Town
Home
Development
again,
we
can
proactively
regard.
We
have
been
doing
some
of
that
with
mixed
results,
but
we
can
look
at
additional
areas
in
our
next
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
I
should
say
the
new
one.
We
can
reduce
off
street
parking
requirements.
J
This
is
something
that
probably
should
be
looked
at
when
we
do
our
when
we,
when
we
looked
at
our
multi-family
parking,
so
we
can
kind
of
take
lessons
from
both
that
and
from
the
single
family
and
two
family
update
and
kind
of
tweak
those
a
little
bit.
Maybe
that
could
be
a
miscellaneous
or
other
minor
Amendment.
Potentially,
we
can
assess
our
other
performance
standards
and
then
just
finally,
just
to
finish
on
this
is
just
that.
J
The
HRA
with
this
new
reorganization
is
going
to
have
a
new
role
to
play
in
missing
middle
housing,
and
potentially
Townhomes
could
be
part
of
that.
So
if
they
were
had
the
ability
to
acquire
a
few
lots
and
could
get
a
you
know,
small
number
of
town
homes
on
a
on
say
two
Parcels
that
used
to
have
two
dwellings.
That
would
certainly
be
in
keeping
with
the
vision
and
Mission
from
my
understanding
so
yeah.
That's
it
happy
to
take
any
questions
and
suggestions
or
anything
of
interest
when
it
comes
to
town
homes,.
A
Only
when
I
and
the
things
that
you
were
thinking
about,
whether
I
think
it
was
the
previous
slide,
yeah
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
strong
opinions
on
any
of
these
things.
I
think
those
are
nice
to
have
I,
don't
think
they're
necessary
unless
it's
some
very
large
development,
where
a
secondary
access
is
because
of
just
the
sheer
size,
but
you
know
I
know
we
ran
into
that
with
the
one
that
we
recently
worked
through
and
I.
A
Think
that's
more
a
question
of
how
do
you
design
the
the
the
the
development
or
how
do
you
you
know,
there's
always
going
to
be
attention
of
trying
to
maximize
the
amount
of
what
you
can
build,
but
I
think
you
know
or
the
visitor
parking
question
you
know
and
again,
I
go
back
to
the
most
recent
one
that
we
we
saw.
You
know
those
those
had
two-car
garages
with
spaces
for
two
cars
on
a
driveway
I.
A
Think,
in
my
opinion,
that's
probably
plenty
of
I
mean
requiring
visitor
parking
again
if
our
goal
is
to
make
more
affordable
options
and
encourage
development
of
this
type.
If
that's,
what
we're
I
assume?
That's
what
the
council
was
interested
in
having
us
look
at
this
for
was
to
try
to
encourage
it
more
I.
Think,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
these
are
nice
to
have
not
necessary.
K
I
agree:
These
are
nice
to
have
secondary
access
so
long
as
there's
an
engineering
review
of
The
Turning
truck
radius,
which
there
always
would
be
that's
enough
for
me
and
I
still
feel
the
same
way.
I
did
about
access
to
collector
roads.
For
me,
that's
a
traffic
issue
and
unless
we
have
some
very
large
developments,
no
amount
of
Townhomes
is
going
to
create
a
traffic
problem,
and
you
know
visitor
parking
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
necessarily
striking
it.
But
looking
at
our
numbers
to
see
if
it's
too
aggressive
is
I'm.
K
A
H
M
All
right,
so
it
is
once
again
time
for
miscellaneous
issues
ordinance.
So,
commissioner,
McGovern
I
think
you're
the
this
is
your
first,
your
first
rally
with
miscellaneous
issues
so
miscellaneous
issues.
They
are
every
year
we
collectively
gather
review,
write
several
minor
ordinances
that
typically
on
their
own,
do
not
Merit
the
full
review
going
through
a
study,
Planning
Commission
city
council.
M
So
we
we
just
kind
of
bunch
them
all
together,
and
so
that's
that's
what
we're
doing
here
tonight
and
and
so
our
timeline.
If,
if
everything
goes
as
planned,
is
that
we're
presenting
here
tonight
we
will
be
submitting
our
ordinances
for
legal
review
and
then,
if
all
goes
as
planned,
you
will
see
us
in
November
again
with
having
taken
in
your
your
recommendations
and
considerations
and
thoughts
and
then
to
City
Council
in
December.
M
So
how
we're
going
to
run
this
this
evening
is
planner,
O'day
and
I.
We
have
bunched
some
of
the
what
we
consider
to
be
more
substantive
ordinances
together
and
those
are
at
the
end
of
the
alphabet,
so
that
is
p
q,
r
and
s.
So
we
will
actually
present
those
first
and
then
we'll
stop
and
we'll
take
comments
from
you
and
then
the
other
items
which
seem
to
be
more
cleaning
clarifying
or
bringing
into
alignment.
M
M
Great
okay,
so
okay,
so
P
body,
art
is
first.
So
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
use
table
body,
art
establishment
which
are
tattoo
and
piercing
parlors
right
now,
they
are
relegated
to
B2
and
C2,
which
is
very
different
than
retail
sales
and
services,
which
is
a
very
similar
use
type.
And
we
believe
this
to
be
because
of
the
historic
stigmatization
of
tattoos
and
piercing
parlors.
A
B
M
Okay,
do
you
want
to
move
on
sure?
Okay,
all
right
so
cue,
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
utility
hookup
requirement,
so
the
current
the
current
code
prohibits
sites
to
be
from
having
separate,
hookup
and
meter,
which
is
actually
contradicts
the
guidance
of
the
engineering
department,
and
so
our
proposed
amendment
would
change
the
provision
to
require
separate
utility
services
and
metering
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
except
with
permission
from
the
utility,
Division
and
city
engineer.
B
A
Okay,
because
my
opinion
probably
will
be
the
same
regardless
of
the
rationale,
but
we
require
owner
occupancy
for
Adu
and
we're
trying
to
encourage
adus
as
a
affordable
option
and
I.
Don't
know
that
requiring
separate
metering
and
the
cost
that
that
encounter
incurs
both
from
building
the
Adu
and
then
ongoing
monthly
there's
a
franchise
fee
and
a
meter
fee,
and
all
these
things
it.
It
feels
like
it's
for
something
that
is
an
owner
occupied
requirement.
H
Line
speed
meteor
within
10
feet
of
the
exterior
wall
where
they
enter
that
building.
So
if
we
have
multiple
units
that
are
running
off
of
one
line,
there
are
some
concerns:
if
there
are
some
illegal
taps
or
or
some
things
that
are
circumventing
our
meter,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
each
line.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
that
utility
is
division.
H
B
H
A
A
A
M
Okay,
moving
on
change
in
condition
to
notice
boundaries,
so
the
current
change
in
condition
standards
require
a
500
foot,
male
notice
boundary,
even
if
the
condition
itself
only
required
200
feet,
200
foot
boundary.
So
what
this
proposed
amendment
is
going
to
do
is
to
update
the
application
processes
and
fees
table
to
denote
that
the
notice
boundary
as
part
of
a
change
in
a
condition
application
shall
adhere
to
the
notice
boundaries
with
the
that
the
original
condition
is
attached.
K
H
K
B
B
M
C
All
right
so
for
this
one,
the
city
code
allows
a
major
catering
business
as
a
permitted
use
in
the
i1
I2
I3
zoning
District,
but
not
in
the
fd2
zoning
District
catering
is
similar
to
food
manufacturing
and
restaurants,
which
are
permitted
uses
in
fd2
zoning
districts.
So
this
would
just
merely
add
permitted
use
for
major
catering
in
fu2.
M
Okay,
the
next
one,
catering
business,
minor
clarification.
So
when
catering
business
minor
was
defined,
it
was
intended
to
include
a
reference
to
Mobile
Food
units
that
will
be
affiliated
with
the
use
and
that
part
was
inadvertently,
missed
what
it
went
into
city
code,
and
so
now
the
document
is
currently
incomplete.
So
this
proposed
amendment
would
be
to
add
the
words
mobile
food
unit
at
the
end
of
the
definition
to
complete
the
definition.
C
Okay,
the
exterior
storage
ordinance
has
standards
for
residential
and
Industrial
zoning
districts,
but
the
business
district
is
rather
limited.
The
city
has
seen
issues
with
businesses
having
merchandise
and
items
outside,
so
this
would
add
these
standards
for
the
residential
and
Industrial
to
the
business
districts.
C
K
M
I
I
believe
that
there
has
been
an
issue
with
a
a
tent
that
has
exceeded
the
amount
of
days
that
tents
are
allowed
to
be
erected,
and
so
the
property
owner
had
took
basically
the
canvas
or
the
like
the
the
covering
and
then
left
the
polls
in
place,
so
that
the
tent
is
really
still
up,
but
the
the
cover
isn't
over
it,
and
so
this
has
has
resulted
in
some
compliance
issues
for
for
a
tent
structure.
Thank
you.
C
M
M
For
minimum
off-street
parking
requirements,
the
table
that
explains
seasonal,
outdoor
dining
seating
contains
a
reference
that
is
on
the
first
row.
You
can
see
that
it
says
one
spaces
per
three
seats,
but
the
exception
lists
it
as
one
space
per
2.5.
So
the
proposed
amendment
would
just
change
the
numbers
so
that
it
matches
the
the
current
requirement.
B
M
M
This
is
a
currently
administered
practice
of
separating
work
vehicle
parking.
So
these
are
vehicles
that
are
owned
by
the
business
from
the
parking
requirement
for
commercial
uses.
It's
never
been
reflected
in
city
code,
and
so
the
proposed
amendment
would
be
to
create
a
requirement
as
part
of
our
parking
use,
standards
to
exclude
spaces
for
business
owned
vehicles
from
the
required
number
and
to
show
on
a
plan
if
requested.
C
The
city
code,
it
does
not
allow
temporary
fences
for
residential
zoning
districts.
However,
this
proposed
amendment
would
allow
for
temporary
fences
for
construction
and
excavation
purposes
for
an
issue
that
arose
was
a
fire.
The
fire
station
that
was
being
built
wasn't
allowed
a
temporary
fence,
so
this
would
allow
the
fire
station
and
other
Park
structures
to
put
up
a
temporary
fence
because
they
are
located
in
residential
zoning
districts.
M
C
The
code
has
site
width
standards
and
has
a
diagram
within
that
code.
Section
over
the
old
diagram
didn't
include,
didn't,
have
or
accurately
reflect
a
curved
setback
line.
So
this
proposed
amendment
would
accurately
reflect
that
curve.
Setback
point
and
also
include
a
rectal
rectilinear,
or
it's
really
hard
word
to
say
typical
lot.
C
G
H
M
M
A
A
B
B
K
B
A
B
A
And
it's
an
interesting
one
too.
That
goes
to
you
know,
I,
think
back
to
one
of
our
times
that
we
discussed
RV
standards
and
all
of
the
gnashing
of
teeth
over
how
long
I
might
be
parked
in
the
driveway
or
in
front
of
the
house,
and
that
we
don't
have
any
requirement
around
how
often
a
vehicle
in
a
driveway
needs
to
move.
A
I
could
have
an
inoperable
vehicle
in
my
driveway
for
three
years,
and
so,
as
we
think
about
this
question
and
the
display
of
a
vehicle
do
it,
we
may
not
I,
don't
have
time
at
this
point,
this
year's
but
think
about
it
in
relation
to
in
general
inoperable
or
vehicles
that
don't
move,
whether
it's
for
sale
or
not,
because
I
think
it
creates
a
probably
a
similar
type
of
an
issue
that
we're
trying
to
mitigate
here.
What's
the
thought.
K
A
K
K
A
Think
we
just
the
chair,
removes
item
six
from
the
agenda.
That's
the
prerogative
of
the
chair,
maybe
I,
guess
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
how
that
works
item
number
seven
is
follow
up
on
the
joint
board
and
commission
meeting
planning
manager.
Marker
guards
circulated
the
information
about
that
and
I
had
an
opportunity
to
check
in
with
folks
and
is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
be
considered
for
that
opportunity?.
K
H
F
A
B
B
Yes,
chair
Roman
Commissioners,
looking
forward
at
our
next
two
Planning
Commission
meetings
on
the
October
27th.
We
have
a
couple
items.
There
is
a
request
for
major
revision
and
final
development
plans
for
a
clubhouse
expansion.
That's
at
the
Hampshire
Hill
Apartment
Complex
10700
Hampshire,
Avenue
South,
and
then
we
have
a
city
code
Amendment
regarding
the
expiration
of
final
development
plans,
that
is
City,
initiated
code,
Amendment
and
then
finally,
a
proposed
street
name
change
of
picture
drive
and
that's
a
public
hearing
on
that
and
looking
beyond
that,
November
3rd,
a
couple
items.
B
One
is
an
expansion
of
the
heropolis
restaurant,
which
would
include
a
rezoning
preliminary
final
development
plans,
conditional
use
permit
and
the
preliminary
final
plot,
that's
at
9000,
Penn,
Avenue,
South
and
then
a
review
of
the
Tiff
proposal
for
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan
for
oxboro
Heights.
That's
the
development
that
was
before
you
recently
at
600,
West,
93rd
Street.