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From YouTube: March 25, 2021 Bloomington Planning Commission Meeting
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Bloomington Minnesota Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
march
25th
bloomington
planning
commission
meeting,
the
planning
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
issues,
standards
and
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues.
Some
of
the
items
the
planning
commission
has
final
decision
authority
for
and
others
the
city
council
will
make.
The
final
decision
planning
commission
is
made
up
of
seven
volunteers
that
are
appointed
by
the
city
council
to
serve
up
to
three
years.
A
At
a
time
tonight
we
have
four
agenda
items,
but
before
we
start
the
meeting,
let's
begin
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance
all
rise,
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
and
to
the
republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation,
under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
A
Now,
for
all
those
who
are
not
familiar
with
how
the
public
process
works.
During
the
planning
commission
meeting,
the
planning
commission
opens
the
hearing
and
staff
report
and
the
staff
give
a
report
after
that,
the
staff
after
the
staff
report,
the
public
may
speak
to
the
application
and,
if
there's
a
large
number
of
people
that
would
like
to
speak
to
the
application,
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes
per
person.
A
A
All
questions
should
be
directed
to
myself
and
after
the
public
has
had
a
chance
to
speak,
the
public
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
planning
commission
will
discuss
the
application
and
those
questions
that
were
asked
of
the
chair
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
marker
guard.
Would
you
like
to
go
through
the
rules
with
our
23rd
remote
hearing.
B
Yes,
mr
chair,
members
of
the
commission,
as
you
mentioned,
this
is
our
23rd
remote
planning,
commission
meeting.
Since
the
pandemic
began,
it's
been
almost
exactly
one
year,
so
we
just
have
two
people
here:
live
in
the
chambers
and
some
communication
staff
nearby,
but
all
of
the
other
commissioners,
the
applicants
and
members
of
the
public
involved
in
the
meeting
tonight
are
remote,
but
we
can
definitely
still
take
public
a
comment
for
the
public
hearings.
We
have
three
public
hearings.
B
A
B
B
B
There
is
a
small
restaurant
in
the
hotel
today
and
that
would
remain
in
place
and
in
terms
of
looking
into
the
future,
there's
a
potential
for
some
ground
level
retail,
but
that
is
not
part
of
the
application
tonight.
That
would
come
through
with
a
separate
application
down
the
road.
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that.
B
C
B
Then
there's
various
parking,
some
surface
parking
here
and
then
the
parking
ramp
which
is
utilized
by
the
hotel
today
and
would
be
utilized
in
the
future.
B
B
Another
apartment
project
was
approved
here
as
part
of
this
plan.
Development
to
the
east,
a
third
apartment
project
and
parking
would
happen
here
and
then
a
fourth
one
approved
a
little
bit
earlier
this
year,
a
senior
residential
project
here,
so
a
lot
of
residential
on
the
way
in
this
area
in
terms
of
changes
to
the
building,
there
would
be
very
little
exterior
modification.
B
B
Well,
virtually
all
the
changes
on
the
interior
of
the
building
so
just
like,
with
new
construction
conversion
to
residential
triggers
our
opportunity,
housing
ordinance
and
the
requirement
on
that
is
that
at
least
nine
percent
of
the
units
be
affordable
to
households,
earning
60
of
area,
median
income
or
ami
or
below.
So
in
that,
in
this
case,
with
229
units
at
9
is
21
units
and
they
have
proposed
a
lot
more
than
that
they're
proposing
46,
affordable
units,
so
20
of
the
total
is
proposed
to
be
affordable
and
of
those
46.
B
Affordable
units
35
would
be
affordable
to
households,
earning
50
of
area,
median
income
or
below.
So
that's
a
deeper
level
of
affordability
than
is
required.
That's
15
percent
of
the
overall
units
and
then
another
five
percent
of
the
overall
units
or
11
units
would
be
affordable
at
that
60
percent,
ami
band.
So
quite
a
bit
of
affordability
proposed,
so
those
units
would
be
required
to
remain
affordable
for
20
years
time,
which
is,
is
the
standard
in
the
oho
ordinance.
B
However,
a
lot
of
the
other
units
would
also
be
have
a
certain
level
of
affordability,
at
least
to
start
between
the
60
percent
and
and
80
emi
bands.
However,
they
would
not
be
restricted,
in
other
words,
their
rents
would
fluctuate
over
time
based
on
market
conditions.
They
could
go
up,
they
could
go
down
depending
on
what
the
market
does
so
they're
not
considered
fully
affordable
in
the
same
way
as
the
restricted
units
are.
B
But
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
a
lot
of
the
other
units
would
be
practically
speaking,
affordable,
at
least
at
the
start
of
the
project,
and
these
affordable
units
are
spread
throughout
the
building
and
they're
spread
among
the
various
unit
types.
So
you'll
see
affordable
units
as
two
bedrooms,
one
bedrooms
and
then
the
elkhoven
studio
styles,
so
you'll
notice.
These
are
roughly
proportionate
in
terms
of
how
the
affordability
is
distributed
among
the
the
types
of
units
and
then
the
affordable
units
are
also
distributed
throughout
the
building.
B
In
terms
of
what
level
they're
on
and
in
terms
of
you
know
what
the
views
are,
are
they
looking
north
or
south.
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
overall
number
of
parking
spaces,
this
project,
based
on
the
affordability
level
based
on
the
availability
of
transit
nearby,
would
qualify
for
30
reduction
and
they
would
fully
utilize
that
and
they're
requesting
additional
plan
development.
Flexibility
beyond
that
30
level.
I'll
talk
more
about
that
and
then
for
the
enclosed
parking
requirements
they
qualify
for
50
conversion
to
non-enclosed
spaces.
B
They
would
be
again
utilizing
all
of
that
flexibility
and
and
requesting
additional
plan
development
flexibility
beyond
that.
B
Again
they
would
be
utilizing
that
flexibility
and
requesting
additional
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that
as
well
and
then.
Finally,
the
storage
requirements.
The
project
qualifies
for
50
reduction
in
storage
and
they
would
be
utilizing
that,
but
not
requesting
any
additional
on
that
one.
B
So
I
want
to
walk
through
the
three
areas
where
they're
requesting
plan
development,
flexibility
that
goes
above
and
beyond
the
opportunity:
housing,
ordinance,
flexibility
so
for
parking.
The
demand
really
comes
from
the
apartment.
Units
comes
from
the
hotel
and
a
little
bit
from
the
restaurant
as
well.
B
So
if
you
looked
at
our
city
code
requirements
and
determined
that
all
of
those
spaces
would
be
utilized
at
the
same
time,
with
no
overlap,
you'd
come
to
a
619
space
parking
space
requirement.
B
So
the
consulting
firm
alliant
has
prepared
a
parking
study.
They
did
that
under
the
supervision
of
the
city,
not
the
applicant
but
the
city,
so
they
are
an
independent,
a
third
party
paid
for
by
the
applicant
but
again
supervised
by
the
city,
so
that
parking
study
considered
all
the
various
factors-
transit,
proximity
density,
the
unit
size
and
the
mix
of
uses,
and
the
study
did
conclude
that
302
spaces
would
be
sufficient
for
the
mix
of
land
uses
so
for
enclosed
parking.
B
B
The
opportunity
housing
ordinance
again
provides
an
incentive
if,
if
there
is
affordable
housing
and
in
in
this
case,
given
the
level
of
affordability,
it
would
allow
a
50
reduction
so
applying
that
50
reduction,
115,
enclosed
stalls
would
be
required.
B
The
proposal
is
to
have
96
covered
stalls
within
the
parking
ramp.
You
can
see
the
on
the
screen
the
parking
facility
and
they
have
access
to
the
upper
levels.
So
some
of
those
spaces
are
exposed
and
then
other
spaces
as
you
go
down,
would
be
covered,
so
they
are
proposing
96
covered
stalls,
whereas
115
are
required.
B
B
B
B
B
B
So
couple
things
to
keep
in
mind:
whenever
we
have
flexibility
requests
the
opportunity.
Housing
ordinance
really
operates
with
a
negative
impacts
test,
so
the
city
code
says
use
of
an
individual
tool
or
incentive
described
in
this
article
is
prohibited.
If
the
city
council
determines
that
the
resulting
development
has
the
potential
to
negatively
impact
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
that
the
negative
impacts
outweigh
the
positive
benefits
of
the
opportunity
units
created.
B
So
there
is
discretion
on
those
opportunity,
housing,
ordinance
items
and
again
it's
it's
really
a
negative
impacts
test.
In
terms
of
the
plan
development
flexibility,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
test.
It
says
the
city
council
may
grant
flexibility
on
development
standards
when
such
such
flexibility
provides
public
benefit.
B
B
Secondly,
it
provides
a
deeper
level
of
affordability
than
is
required,
so
15
of
the
units
again
are
affordable
at
at
that
50
ami
threshold
bloomington,
with
our
opportunity,
housing
ordinance
we've
been
very
successful
at
adding
60
percent
ami
units,
certainly
the
fifty
percent
and
and
below
thirty
percent,
especially
much
harder
to
get
those
units,
obviously
they're
much
more
expensive
for
a
developer
to
provide.
B
So
definitely
it's
a
city
priority
to
have
add
more
units
at
those
lower
income
bands,
and
this
project
does
provide
those
units
and
then
third,
the
project
really
advances
the
south
loop
district
plan
vision
of
adding
residential
units
in
this
in
this
specific
area.
A
Commissioners,
any
questions
for
mr
marker
guard,
commissioner
cookton.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Mr
marker
guard.
I
know
this
property
houses.
The
northwest
airlines
museum
is
that
scheduled
to
remain.
B
In
a
little
bit
when
they
they'll
be
up
for
questions
and
and
potential
presentation,
okay,.
A
You
can
do
that
so
hold
on
to
that
question.
Commissioner
cook
done
any
other
commissioners
questions
for
mr
marker
guard.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
marker
guard,
the
the
86
unit
building
to
the
east
of
the
property.
There
was
a
parking
study
done
on
that.
As
I
remember,
there's
a
parking
study
done
on
that,
and
they
did.
They
also
have
a
request
in
for
a
decreased
amount
of
parking
salt.
B
B
B
As
I
remember
the
phase
one
stood
on
its
own
in
terms
of
parking
but
phase
two
had
more
parking
flexibility,
parking
being
added
here
as
well,
but
the
applicant
can
confirm
that
as
well.
A
Yeah,
mr
mark
great,
I
don't
know
the
attendance
there
is
off
to
the
left.
I
can't
quite
tell
so
maybe
okay
there
we
go.
I
don't
know
commissioner
robdy
or
commissioner
goldsman,
which
one
was
first.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
question,
for
staff,
are
there
any
exterior
changes
proposed
to
the
building
and
two?
Maybe
I
missed
this,
and
maybe
it's
not
a
public
hearing
need,
but
with
the
conversion
and
by
adding
residential
with
a
hotel,
are
there
going
to
be
separate
entrances
for
the
different
possible
uses,
or
is
that
going
to
be
a
one
flow
into
the
building?
And
then
everybody
goes
separate
floors,
possibly.
B
Mr
mr
chairman,
commissioner,
abdi
on
your
second
question:
yeah
shared
shared
entrances
and
then
on
the
first
question.
No
exterior
changes
other
than
minor
items
like
changing
the
signs
and.
A
Okay,
commissioner
abdi
is
any
any
further
questions.
A
Okay,
commissioner
goldsman.
E
Thanks,
mr
chair,
one
question
that
I
had
is
in
the
packet.
I
did
see
information
and
a
question
about
just
the
the
scale
of
those
micro
units,
and
I
believe
staff
asked
for
a
3d
model
to
just
understand
how
livable
that
space
is.
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
received
that
3d
model
and
then
also
what
is
their
oh,
there
we
go
and
then
what
is
their
interpretation
is
it
is
it
livable
and
a
follow-up
question
would
be
is:
is
there
is
this
intended
for
one
and
two
people?
E
B
Sure,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
goltzman
you
know,
livability
definitely
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder.
I
think
different
people
have
very
different
expectations.
B
B
You
know,
efficiency
unit
for
the
most
part
residents
probably
are
not
spending
a
ton
of
time
in
the
unit.
Given
the
location
near
the
airport,
they
may
be
traveling
quite
a
bit,
but
this
is
a
product
that
would
be
new
to
bloomington,
but
it
is
a
product
that
you
see
quite
a
bit.
If
you
look
at
you.
A
B
Larger
cities,
think
of
manhattan
or
or
san
francisco,
where
you'll
see
quite
a
few
of
these
units
and
residents
are
kind
of
famous
and
how
they
adapt
them
and
and
kind
of
use
hyper
efficient
furniture
to
get
all
they
can
out
of
every
square
inch
of
space.
So
definitely
something
new
in
the
bloomington.
E
A
B
Yeah,
mr
chair
commissioner,
albrecht
I'll,
let
again
I'll
ask
the
applicant
to
respond
to
that.
I
think
it
may
vary
from
unit
to
unit,
but
I
think
that's
a
very
good
question.
We'll
have
them
respond
to.
B
A
If
I
don't
see
any
additional,
we
would
ask
the
applicant
if
the
applicant's
available
to
speak,
not
seeing
any
further
questions
right
now.
For
mr
marker
guard
is
the
applicant
available.
H
Yes,
carl
keating
here.
A
All
right
this
is
chair
solberg.
I
just
wanna
opportunity
for
you
guys
to
talk
about
the
project,
maybe
answer
some
of
the
questions.
You've
heard
from
planning.
Commission
members.
H
Sure,
yeah
I'll
I'll
take
a
stab
at
a
few
of
them
and
then
volley
it
over
to
to
mike.
Let's
see,
let's
take
him
in
order
northwest
air
museum,
the
intent
would
be
to
keep
them
in
the
building
if,
if
their
location
up
on
the
third
floor
didn't
work
mike,
and
I
have
been
throwing
around
some
ideas
of
how
we
may
find
them
some
space
down
on
first
but
yeah,
we'd,
absolutely
love
to
keep
them
for
those
of
you
that
haven't
been
in
the
building.
H
Yeah
this
this.
You
know
we're
at
the
airport
and
aviation
is
in
its
dna,
and
so
I
think
you
know
no
matter
the
use
for
this
building.
I
think
aviation
stays
in
the
dna
of
the
building,
and
so
we
would
certainly
like
to
like
to
keep
those
guys
on
site
or
do
everything
we
can
to
keep
on
site.
You
know
foot
traffic
may
go
down
as
a
result
of
this
and
they
may
want
to
move
somewhere
that
has
more
foot
traffic,
but
that
wouldn't
wouldn't
be
at
our
choosing
would
be
at
theirs.
H
Entrances
are
certainly
shared,
but
each
floor
is
is
rfid
keyed,
and
so
so
you
can't
get
onto
any
of
the
guest
room
or
resident
floors
without
having
an
rfid
key
to
get
to
get
down
to
those
floors,
and
so
you
know
the
common
areas
that
have
the
mailboxes
and
the
front
desk
and
the
the
bar
and
grill
and
things
like
that.
Everyone
would
have
access
to
once
it's
time
to
go
up
onto
a
floor.
H
You'll
you'll
need
to
have
oh
further
electronic
information
to
get
there
micro,
the
kitchen
layout,
there's
a
it's:
a
combination,
microwave
convection,
oven
unit
along
with
an
electric
stovetop
that
we're
planting
in
here,
and
so
you
will
have
small,
it's
small
you're
not
going
to
be
cooking
a
you
know:
16
pound,
thanksgiving
turkey,
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
where
everybody
would
sit
if
you
did
so,
it
does
have
a
convection
oven.
H
That
does
does
work
for
smaller
purposes
and
then
I
think
oh
last
question
was
simply
size
and
and
as
you
noted,
this
is
very
spacious
for
somebody
coming
out
of
a
dormitory
really
tight
for
those
of
us
that
would
kind
of
try
to
move
from
a
house
into
this
location
but
yeah
of
all
the
buildings
in
in
the
minneapolis
metro.
You
know
we're
one
of
the
fewest
walking
distance
from
ikea
and
I'm
sure
plenty
will
get
used
out
of
that.
H
So
I
think
those
were
the
four
questions
and
I
think
really,
the
the
big
note
we
wanted
to
drive
home
was
simply
yeah.
We
you
see
here
that
that
you
know,
we've
met
a
deeper
level
of
affordability,
albeit
asking
for
a
few
other
modifications
and
allowances
to
our
building,
but
at
the
same
time
the
naturally
occurring
affordable
units
in
this
building.
Just
what
the
what
the
market
demands
for
units
of
these
size
and
this
location,
this
era
yeah
the
number
of
naturally
occurring
affordable
units
in
this
building
is
very
large.
H
I
I
think
it
last
count.
You
know
opening
day
will
be
at
about
73
percent
of
the
building
is
naturally
occurring,
affordable
to
the
60
ami
level
or
deeper,
and
so
so
this
building
really
does
provide
a
a
nice
public
good
for
for
city
of
bloomington.
In
that
respect,
and
so
I
think
that
was
really
the
only
additional
note
I
wanted
to
throw
out
there.
H
In
addition
to
answering
a
few
of
the
questions,
I
don't
know
mike,
if
you
had
anything
to
add
or
if
there's
some
other
questions
directly
for
us
from
the
commissioners.
I
I
think
killed
the
other
one
carl
this
mike
waldo
with
ron
clark
construction
again,
I
think
the
only
other
question
was
kind
of
the
parking
study
relationship
and,
as
staff
knows,
I
think
alliant
has
redone
the
parking
study
about
four
times,
so
they
they
kind
of
know.
Every
single
facet
of
this
project
phase
one
of
the
market
rate
phase
two
of
the
future
affordable
the
two
office
buildings,
the
ramp
itself.
I
So
they
spent
a
ton
of
time
with
that
and
there
was
some
flexibility
with
the
affordable
just
but
most
of
it
was
related
to
the
transit
in
the
oh.
There
wasn't
any
additional
flexibility
asked
for
above
the
oho
allowable,
because
that
was
100,
affordable
building.
A
Okay,
all
right
well
go
ahead.
Mr
waldo.
I
A
All
right,
you
know,
thank
you
for
the
information.
Just
if
I
can
just
start
with
a
couple
questions
I
know
just
if
you
could,
maybe
I
think
for
all
of
us,
the
planning,
commission
and
those
that
that
are
watching.
Can
you
really
just
describe
the
market
that
you're
going
for
with
this
I
mean
we
did
have
a
brief
discussion
really
about
maybe
kids
coming
from
college,
but
is
that
the
market,
or
is
this
the
single
professional,
the
flying
a
transit
worker
or
what?
I
I'll
start,
then,
carl
can
add
in
if
he's,
if
he
disagrees
with
me,
steven's
got
management.
Who
will
be
the
company
that
will
use
to
manage
this,
manages
properties
all
over
the
cities,
including
minneapolis
and
in
minneapolis
there's
units
that
are
this
small,
if
not
smaller,
and
really
it's
the
transit
oriented
nature.
I
think
of
this
location
with
access
to
the
mall
access
to
the
airport,
access
to
downtown
that
allows
for
this
to
be
a
successful
project.
I
would
see
individuals
divorcees
young
couples
for
the
for
these
more
micro
stuff.
I
It's
probably
going
to
be
more
single
people,
but
with
the
one
bedrooms
and
two
bedrooms
you're
going
to
see
a
more
expanded
nature
of
what's
available,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
see
a
pretty
much
of
a
cross
section.
You
may
find
a
a
senior
that
doesn't
want
to
go,
spend
two
thousand
dollars
somewhere
else
for
a
space
and
they're
going
to
say
you
know
what
I
can
be
in
here
for
8.50
and
I
can
walk
downstairs
and
get
coffee.
I
can
do
whatever
I
want
to
do.
How
much
of
that
space?
A
And
thank
you
for
that,
and
just
maybe
one
other
question
is
as
we
talk
about
this
we've
seen
the
the
smaller
units
in
that,
but
how
much
renovation
will
this
take
in
the
building?
I'm
assuming
these
are
all
standard-sized
rooms,
but
are
you
removing
walls
and
getting
into
that
level
of
de
of
of
renovation
work?
Or
is
this
pretty
much
the
existing
footprint
of
all
the
rooms
that
were
in
the
facility.
I
I'll
start
again,
and
then
carl
can
probably
jump
on
the
the
rooms
that
we're
utilizing
whether
the
357
square
feet.
Those
are
some
of
our.
You
know
what
would
be
larger
hotel
rooms.
Normally,
a
hotel
room
is
usually
in
that
260
to
300
square
foot
range.
So
one
of
the
advantages
we
have
here
is
these
started
out
being
bigger
units
for
a
hotel
room
than
what
would
be
so
a
micro
is
one.
We've
got
other
units
that
are
400
and
500
square
feet
that
were
suites.
I
Those
will
be
alcoves,
then,
if
you
take
one
of
these
and
mirror
it
the
other
way,
we'll
add
two
openings
in
between
it
and
that
will
become
a
one
bedroom.
So
you'll
have
the
area
here,
that's
a
bedroom
will
become
your
living
room
and
then
on
the
reverse
side.
You'll
have
the
bathroom
and
the
in
the
bedroom
that
makes
up
a
one
bedroom
and
then
a
two
bedroom
is
three
of
these.
I
Together,
where
we
can
create
a
separation,
we
don't
take
a
lot
of
walls
out,
but
we're
taking
maybe
eight
or
ten
twelve
foot
section
out
between
a
few
of
them
just
to
create
the
transfer
through
but
other
areas.
It's
just
really
a
doorway
between
certain
sections
or
a
hallway,
but
they
actually
work
very
well
to
you
know
a
single
one
for
a
micro
two
of
them
is
about
you
know.
714
here
is
about
714
square
feet
for
one
bedroom
and
then
the
three
bedrooms
are
over
a
thousand.
So.
A
All
right
all
right,
thank
you
for
those
I'll
go
to
commission
members.
Now,
let's
go
with
commissioner
corman.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
perhaps
the
question
my
question
was
already
answered
after
you
asked
your
first
question,
mr
chair,
but
I
was
actually
wondering
about
the
capacity
for
families.
If
the
applicant
could
tell
us
if
there
was
any
possibility
of
maybe
small
families
and
how
many
units,
you
think
will
be
suitable
with
four
families
with
a
certain
number
of
children,
or
even
if
it's
one
or
two
kids,
and
then
if
that
was
the
case,
if
you
could
also
speak
a
little
bit
about
what
kind
of
amenities
besides
the
swimming
pool
could
be
available.
H
Absolutely
yeah,
I
think
there
are
units
in
in
our
mix
that
are
certainly
capable
to
to
house
small
families.
Again,
I
think
you
reiterated
it
as
well:
a
small
family,
maybe
one
or
two
children.
You
know
one
child,
the
one
bedroom's
at
750
square
feet.
You
know
that
that's
a
the
comfortable
size
unit
to
get
creative
with
to
house
a
three-person,
family
and
and
then
obviously
the
two
bedrooms
that
are
in
excess
of
a
thousand
feet
are
certainly
capable
of
housing.
H
You
know
family
with
a
couple
of
kids
as
far
as
amenities
are
concerned,
we're
doing
a
little
outside
patio
play
area.
Bocce
that
sort
of
thing
inside
there
will
be.
You
know,
areas
to
play.
Yeah
again,
it
depends
on
the
kids
ages,
but
there'll
be
recreational
areas,
they'll
be
shuffleboard
and
pool
table
and
ping
pong
and
areas
to
sit
around
and
watch
tv.
H
I
think
there's
three
xbox
playstation
nooks
built
into
the
community
living
area
down
on
the
second
floor,
and
then
obviously
you
noted
it
as
well
there's
the
pool
and
hot
tub
and
and
sauna
all
indoors.
So
you
know
365
days
a
year
in
minnesota.
They
can
go
down
and
play
in
that
so
yeah.
I
think
it
would
be
fun
for
kids
again.
You
know,
I
think,
based
on
the
unit
mixing
kind
of
what
mike
hit
on
earlier.
H
We
really
do
expect
a
number
of
single
or
really
married
professionals,
kind
of
transitioning
from
college
days
into
the
larger
homes
in
bloomington,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
transitional
state
there
and
or
those
that
are
the
tens
of
thousands
of
employees
that
are
working
at
the
airport
of
the
mall
of
america
at
15
17,
an
hour
where
they
don't
necessarily.
H
Where
they
can't
necessarily
get
the
affordable
programs,
because
they're
making
a
little
bit
too
much,
but
you
know
the
the
2200
units
across
the
street
are
certainly
out
of
their
budget.
I
think
our
unit
mix
is
probably
set
up
more
for
those
individuals,
but
there's
certainly
the
availability
in
the
space
to
have
small
families
here,
and
I
think
plenty
of
amenities
for
the
kids
to
enjoy.
A
Okay,
commissioner,
corman
who's
any
further
questions.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
albrecht.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
kating.
The
question
that
I
have
is
related
to
sound
carrying
between
units.
E
I
know
that,
depending
on
the
type
of
construction,
the
insulation
used
and
the
way
in
which
it's
constructed,
it
differs
in
terms
of
the
way
in
which
the
sound
carries
from
unit
to
unit
just
wondering
if
you
could
touch
on
that
and
what
you're
doing
in
terms
of
what
you're
doing
in
terms
of
construction
or,
if,
if
that
is
higher
in
a
hotel
property,
so
that
less
sound
carries
just
generally
just
wondering
if
you
could
touch
on
that.
H
Sure,
yes,
you're,
absolutely
correct
the
era
that
this
hotel
was
built.
The
there
weren't
sound
transmission
coefficient
spc
ratings
as
time
wore
on
they
started
applying
these
the
residential
first
then
to
hotels.
Secondarily,
this
hotel
was
actually,
as
mike
noted,
both
the
unit
size
much
much
larger
than
the
average.
You
know
350
to
460
square
foot
footprints.
H
At
the
same
time
they
were,
they
were
building
it
a
lot
heavier
and
more
robust
than
they
had
to
at
the
time,
and
so
the
ftc
minimum
rating
for
housing
in
bloomington,
I
believe,
is
an
spc
rating
of
50.
and
we've
already
had
our
construction
and
architectural
team
look
into
this
and
the
construction
standards
and
the
way
this
building
was
built.
H
It
already
meets
that
standard,
and
so
this
building
was
was
built
better
than
it
had
to
be
at
the
time
and
now
it's
the
standards
it
needs
to
today,
and
so
the
the
the
structure
itself
already
deadens
the
sound
as
it
as
it
needs
to
for
occupancy
in
a
residential
standard.
Under
today's
standards.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
two
questions
for
the
applicants.
Mr
kating,
mr
waldo,
taking
away
a
large
hotel
downsizing
that
adding
apartments.
Is
this
a
direct
response
to
covid
unrelated
to
covet
something
in
the
middle.
H
Yeah
so
I'll
I'll
field
that
one
from
a
hotel
standpoint
and
then
mike
could
certainly
jump
in
from
an
apartment
standpoint
if
you'd
like,
but,
yes,
a
direct
response
to
not
necessarily
you
know,
kind
of
a
covet,
but
more
of
looking
in
the
crystal
ball
into
the
future
as
to
what
the
demand
patterns
are
going
to
be
for
different
hotel
segments.
And
so
this
hotel
is,
is
the
one
segment.
So
we
we
own
and
operate
a
number
of
hotels
throughout
the
upper
midwest
and
we
expect
our
limited
service
and
select
service
hotels.
H
So
the
ones
that
don't
have
you
know
full
complement
of
amenities
and
very
large
meeting
spaces
and
large
catering
and
banquet
teams.
We
expect
those
hotels
to
rebound
rather
quickly,
the
type
of
customer
we
had
in
those
hotels
or
the
customer
that
will
certainly
come
back
out
on
the
road
as
vaccinations,
roll
out
and
people
get
more
comfortable
with
being
out
and
about.
We
expect
those
hotels
to
to
rebound,
and
you
know
comfortably
be
back
to
perhaps
where
they
were
in
2019
by
2023.
H
H
Our
contention
is
that
small
groups
of
meetings
are
certainly
going
to
decrease
in
the
coming
years
and
maybe
not
necessarily,
I
think,
full
service,
big
box
hotels
that
did
small
groups
of
meetings
small
to
medium
were
on
their
way,
call
it
over
the
next
10
or
15
years
on
their
way
to
a
quasi-state
of
obsolescence,
simply
because
technology
was
getting
so
much
better.
What
we're
doing
right
now!
H
We
couldn't
have
done
this
10
years
ago,
and
so
it
was
another
10
or
15
years
before
the
the
va
hospital
meetings
where
all
the
regional
administrators
would
get
together
once
a
quarter
and
go
through
the
new
regulations
in
person
on
a
powerpoint
up
in
front
of
the
screen,
they
figured
out
how
to
do
they
all
upgraded
the
technology
and
figured
out
how
to
do
that
online.
H
They
don't
want
to
be
away
from
their
families.
For
those
two
days,
they'd
rather
sit
in
their
home
office,
walk
through
those
slides,
learn
what
the
new
updates
are
and
then
at
five
o'clock
turn
off
their
computer
and
go
sit
down
with
their
family
around
the
dinner
table.
They
didn't
want
to
be
in
bloomington
minnesota,
no
offense
to
any
of
us
that
live
or
work
there,
but
they
didn't
want
to
be
there
for
those
two
days
and
now
they've
upgraded
all
of
their
technology.
H
H
Business
is
probably
gone
forever
as
a
result
of
you
know,
if
you
believe,
zoom
stock
is
a
good
investment,
you
have
to
believe
there's
a
contra
investment
that
isn't
going
to
go
well
and-
and
you
know
that-
that's
that's
us-
that's
those
of
us
with
these
kind
of
larger
big
box,
hotels
that
serve
this
and-
and
you
know,
kind
of
layering
on
to
that
in
bloomington,
I
would
say
going
into
covid.
You
know
2019.
H
Perhaps
oversaturation
of
number
of
full-service
big
box
groups
and
meetings,
hotels,
and
so
now,
if
we
come
out
of
it
and
we
say
well,
yeah
there's
going
to
be
business
back
again,
but
it's
only
going
to
come
back
at
70
of
what
it
was
by
2023..
H
Well,
that
means
we're
either
all
going
to
be
cutting
each
other's
throats
to
try
to
get
that
70
of
the
business
or
30
of
us
should
bow
out,
find
a
better
use
for
our
our
buildings
and
and
let
the
other
hotels
gather
that
and
get
back
to
where
they
once
were
so
that
we're
not
all
scrambling
for
a
smaller
piece
of
the
pie.
And
so
this
is
that's
a
really
long
explanation
to
yes,
this
is
a
result
of
covid,
but
not
some
crazy,
hey
we're
not
doing
well
today,
this
is
hey.
H
What's
this
going
to
look
like
in
2023
and
on
beyond,
and
and
our
you
know,
our
concern
in
the
industry
is
just
that
these
larger
hotels,
some
of
them,
may
need
to
be
repurposed
into
something
else.
C
H
Underperforming,
I
guess
in
our
application
underperforming
is,
I
think
that
was
a
covert
response
in
2019.
It
was
performing
as
expected-
perhaps
not
better
than
expected,
but
again
the
number
of
us
scrambling
for
yeah
as
new
shinier
big
box
hotels
that
do
small
groups
of
meetings.
You
know,
starting
with
the
radisson
blue,
the
jw,
the
hyatt
regency,
the
intercontinental
as
those
all
start
to
come
online.
It
got
harder
and
harder
and
harder
for
those
of
us
that
have
been
doing
this
in
these
locations
for
well
this.
H
This
building
being
you
know,
40
years
old
or
so
nearly
40
years
old.
It
got
harder
and
harder
and
harder
to
compete
with
those
shiny,
new
boxes,
and
so
I
guess
I
don't
think
our
application
necessarily
noted
in
2019
that
things
were
going
poorly.
I
think,
if
coveted
never
happened,
we
certainly
wouldn't
be
talking
about
this,
but
the
reason
we're
talking
about
that
is
because
we
think
the
long-term
demand
pattern
for
this
segment
of
hotel
is
going
to
be.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
roman.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Taking
mr
waldo,
you
mentioned
that
you,
your
company,
operates
a
number
of
hotel
properties
throughout
the
midwest.
I
have
a
two-part
question.
One
is,
are,
do
you
have
any
of
your
other
properties,
are
kind
of
this
hybrid
model,
residential,
slash,
extended
stay
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
is
just
a
kind
of
an
overview.
I
don't
need
a
great
depth,
but
how
you
came
to
the
decision
to
operate
a
mixed
use
versus
a
fully
residential.
H
H
To
answer
the
second
question,
really
it
had
to
do
with
the
number
of
units
in
our
view
of
demand
in
the
marketplace,
as
we
were
looking
at
this,
we
looked
at
a
whole
scale
of
options
from
shifting
that
line
up
or
down
all
the
way
down
to
zero,
with
the
an
entire
residential
building
or
all
the
way
up
to
you
know,
I
think
we
ended
up
with
310
extended
state
units,
because
we
we
have
identified
that
there
is
a
demand
for
kind
of
an
upper
mid
scale
extended
stay
units
on
the
light
rail
in
this
location.
H
We
think
there
is
certainly
a
demand
for
that
again,
a
much
different
segment
than
this
building
currently
sits
in,
but
really
the
the
answer
was
just
that
we
identified
a
demand
for
both
and
and
had
to
find
what
we
believe
to
be
the
the
sweet
spot
for
both,
because
we
think
they
work
really
well
together.
They
both
demand
the
same
amenities.
They
they
both
have
very
similar
uses.
H
Similar
traffic
patterns
similar
residents-
you
know
the
idea
behind
the
extended
day
is
that
they're
here
for
a
long
period
of
time
I
mean
our
other
extensive.
H
I
I'll
add
a
couple
things
to
that
too,
because
we've
had
long
conversations
with
our
management,
company,
steven,
scott
and
looking
at
other
markets
that
they're
involved
in
there
is
a
lot
of
this
going
on
in
other
markets,
where
you're
starting
to
see
that
mix,
and
I
think,
with
the
smaller
units
and
the
mix
that
we've
got
with
the
high
level
amenities.
As
carl
said,
it
is
really
very
similar
demographics.
It
might
be
somebody
that
comes
here.
I
You
know
rents
one
of
carl's
hotel's
rooms
for
60
days
and
then
says
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
be
here
for
another
year.
I
like
it
here
and
they'll
jump
upstairs
and
then
jump
into
a
apartment,
and
so
steven
scott
felt
very
comfortable
that
the
two
intermixed
well
together
again,
as
carl
said,
carl,
has
a
family.
You
know
I've
had
family,
I'm
not
sure
with
three
four
five
kids,
we're
gonna
be
the
demographic
here,
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
wanna
that
love
to
think
bluemix
would
be
a
great
place
to
live.
I
They
get
a
chance
to
come
in
here.
Maybe
they
live
here
for
a
year
and
they're
all
that
time.
They're
starting
to
look
for
other
situations
or
like
we
said
before,
their
wages
aren't
at
the
point
where,
where
they
can
go
out
there,
but
we
think
the
two
mixes
together
work
exceptionally
well
together,
whereas
either
one
of
them
a
hundred
percent,
would
be
a
struggle.
We
looked
at
first
at
converting
it
all
to
apartments
and
we
said
yeah,
you
know
that's
that's
a
lot
of
apartments
in
this
location.
I
E
Yeah,
mr
chair,
thank
you.
One
question
I
have
is
for
the
apartments.
Are
any
of
these
apartments
going
to
be
offered
as
furnished
apartments,
or
are
they
solely
only
going
to
be
for
the
extended
stay.
H
Mike,
I
might
evolve
this
one
to
you,
but
I
think
the
answer
to
that
question
is
is
still
up
in
the
air.
I
think
we
are
going
to
offer
a
furnished
option.
You
know
we'll
have
to
back
into
what
the
what
the
cost
is
to
us
for
that
and
they
they
wear
and
tear
you
know
seven
years
on
a
heart
side
of
good
three
to
five
years
on
a
soft
side
of
good
and
figure
out
what
that
is
and
offer
that
out
there
and
if
individuals
take
us
up
on
it,
that's
great.
H
If
not
yet,
my
gut
tells
me
that
you
know
people
are
going
to
come
in
with
half
of
what
they
need,
the
other
half's
going
to
come
from
ikea,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
trying
to
find
find
a
way
to
make.
Everyone
has
a
little
bit
of
something
that
they
want
to
to
bring
with
them
and
make
the
unit
their
own
and
in
a
unit
that's
360
square
feet.
By
the
time
you
bring
a
few
things
that
are
your
own.
H
I
I
think
that's
what
you
get
carl,
that's
what
I
think
the
marketing
group
said
is
that
maybe
10,
but
they
weren't,
even
sure
you
know
it's
just
gonna,
be
unusual
because
it's
a
that's
more
of
a
uniqueness
part
and
we
think
there
could
be
positives
to
it.
But
we
also
think
a
lot
of
people
like
they
said
want
to
customize
it
and
don't
want
to
feel
like
they're
in
a
hotel
room.
So.
A
All
right,
commissioner
cook
done.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
kating,
mr
waldo,
forgive
me
if
you
said
this
already.
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
commissioner
albert
had
a
question
about
ovens
and
then
also
question:
what
is
the
laundry
situation
for
the
apartment
residents.
H
Sure
yeah,
so
the
the
oven,
it's
a
it's,
a
microwave,
convection,
oven,
combo
unit,
that's
going
to
be
a
mount
of
the
unit
and
then
it'll
be
an
electric
glass
stove
top.
So
you'll
have
the
ability
to
do
all
this
again,
the
those
combo
units
they
don't
allow.
You
to
you
know
cook
a
large
thanksgiving
turkey,
as
I
noted,
but
they
they
certainly
allow
you.
H
The
ability
to
to
you
know
make
anything
you
would
normally
make
in
an
oven,
a
pizza
or
things
like
that,
and
then
the
laundry
situation
now
we're
intending
to
add
laundry
rooms
on
every
individual
floor
and
so
they'll
be
approximately.
H
What
do
we
have
on
a
floor?
Mic
32
units
sharing
two
washers,
two
dryers
on
each
floor,
and
that
was
the
number
given
to
us:
a
ratio
given
to
us
by
steven
scott.
That's.
H
A
All
right,
commissioner,
cooked
on
any
further
questions.
C
A
Thanks
all
right,
I
I
do
have
a
question
and
it
really
centers
around
just
the
complexity
of
the
parking
study
that
was
done
on
the
site
and
I
don't
call
into
question
the
numbers
on
it.
They're
saying
there's
capacity
that
this
would
work.
I
have
experience
with
these
in
my
professional
life.
One
of
the
questions,
though
that
does
come
out
and
it
does
or
one
of
the
recommendations
ultimately
is.
A
If
there
is
needed
capacity,
there
is
the
ability
to
lease
now
so
the
question
centers
around
the
complexity
of
the
parking
in
the
facility
are
the
residents
going
to
have
designated
parking?
Is
that
how
that's
going
to
work
and
everybody
else
will
be
finding
their
own
and
if,
if
so,
how
do
you
determine
the
need
to
lease
additional
space.
I
I
think
it'll
be
a
mixture
of
of
parking
most
cases
they
will
have
a
designated
space.
The
expectation
is
we're
with
this
market
of
the
229
units.
We're
expecting
80,
maybe
have
cars.
A
lot
of
them
won't
use
them
on
a
daily
basis.
I
Again,
most
people
on
this
call
it's
something
foreign
to
us,
but
it
is
really
becoming,
as
we
know
more
and
more
of
the
norm
today,
and
that's
why
they
want
to
be
next
to
the
light
rail
and
next
to
the
situation
they
have
here
and
then
I
think
the
ones
that
we
have
to
get
set
spaces
for
are
be
the
46
oho
units,
because
those
will
have
designated
spaces
in
the
covered
area.
I
Anyone
else
who
wants
to
lease
a
space
and
then
we'll
leave
x,
amount
of
spaces
open
for
guests
and
anyone
that
happens
to
wander
in
to
use
the
restaurant,
even
though
most
people
that
use
that
restaurant
currently
and
in
the
future,
we
expect
to
come
from
the
building
or
from
the
buildings
that
are
within
a
block
or
two
of
this
location,
and
we
have
got
good
relation
and
we
have
good
relationships
with
the
people
around
us
too.
We've
got
a
surface
lot
there
that
isn't
fully
utilized.
I
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Any
further
questions
from
commission
members.
A
All
right,
mr
katie,
mr
waldo,
I
appreciate
the
information
any
last
minute
information
you'd
like
to
ensure
the
commission
has.
H
No,
no
carl
here
I
I
think
we've
pretty
well
touched
on
all
of
it.
You
know,
leave
everybody
with
the
same
stuff
that
you
know.
While
we
are
committing
to
a
number
of
affordable
units,
you
know
this
building
really
does
provide
a
nice
public
good
in
the
fact
that
it
has
so
many
naturally
occurring
affordable
units
that
I
think
that's
really
the
the
only
point
I'd
like
to.
We
started
with
that
and
I'd
like
to
end
with
that.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right
now
that
the
applicant
has
had
an
opportunity
to
speak,
we'll,
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing.
Mr
marker
guard,
do
we
have
any
anybody
from
public
that
would
like
to
speak.
B
A
All
right,
all
right,
commission
members,
maybe
commissioner
roman.
D
A
A
E
A
All
right,
commissioner
members,
we
have
a
motion
and
assault
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing
any
further
discussion,
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
public
hearing
at
this
time
say
I
by
roll
call,
commissioner
goldsman
aye,
commissioner
korman
aye,
commissioner
roman
aye,
commissioner
aye
commissioner
abdi
aye,
commissioner
cookton
hi,
and
I
for
myself
motion
passes
public
hearing
is
now
closed
onto
discussion.
Commission
members,
we
got
a
lot
that
we
just
heard
from
the
applicant
and
from
staff.
E
Thanks,
mr
chair,
you
know
when
I
reviewed
this
application
I
was
concerned
about.
E
You
know
the
size
of
the
the
units,
but,
as
we've
gone
through
and
talked
through
and
you've
seen
the
3d
model,
I
can
really
see
this
being
a
really
creative
solution
to
an
existing
location
that
is
underperforming,
and
I
commend
the
applicant
for
coming
up
with
a
creative
solution
that
works
for
people
that
are
coming
in
and
more
transient,
as
well
as
offering
some
opportunities
for
people
that
are
working
at
the
mall
or
at
the
airport
and
then
also
for
families.
So
I
I
really
like
this
application.
E
I
think
it's
it's
a
unique
use
of
the
space,
it's
being
reusing
space
that
already
exists,
but
they've
also
put
some
thought
into
creating
more
space
for
people
to
work
and
live
in
in
in
the
hotel.
So
overall,
I
think
this
is
a
great
application.
I
think
some
of
the
size
and
the
parking
deviations
seem
reasonable,
especially
as
it's
so
close
to
the
light
rail
line.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
will
forego
their
cars
and
use
that
as
a
as
a
resource
as
well.
D
I
think
you
know,
especially
when
you
get
some
of
these
busier
locations
or
kind
of
as
this
area
is
densifying
a
little
bit,
I'm
hoping
that
the
more
people
will
bring
some
more
of
the
amenities.
I
know
we
heard
from
a
member
of
the
public
who
you
know
had
mentioned.
You
know
some
of
the
amenities
in
the
neighborhood
it's
kind
of
chicken
on
the
egg
thing
right.
You
know,
there's
no
grocery
store
at
some
point.
D
There
hopefully
will
be
enough
critical
mass
to
support
a
grocery
store
or
whatever
you
know
where
you
have.
You
know
them
all
really
close
by,
but
that's
not
the
place
that
the
locals
are
probably
gonna
go
for
some
of
those
things.
I
I'm
not
terribly
concerned
about
the
small
things.
I
agree
it's
a
small
space,
but
I
also
think
that
when
you
have
access
to
other
things,
whether
it's
the
natural
areas
nearby
here,
you
know
right
on
the
metro.
You
can
hop
on
and
get
to
a
lot
of
different
places.
D
You
know
it
does
meet
the
except
for
what,
by
a
couple
of
square
feet,
it
meets
our
things
that
we've
said
we
will
allow
as
reductions
to
under
the
opportunity,
housing
ordinance.
So
I'm
I'm
willing
to
give
this
a
go.
I
think
you
know
the
market
will
tell
us
if
this
works
and
I
I
feel,
like
you
know
these-
the
applicants
they
they
know
their
business
and
I
maybe
I'm
wrong.
D
I
would
be
shocked
if
they
were
going
to
put
this
kind
of
effort
into
something
that
they
haven't
determined
that
there's
a
demand
for,
and
I
think
anything
we
can
do
to
you
know.
Yes,
it's
not
2
000
square
feet,
but
for
someone
who
is
struggling
to
pay
rent
or
to
find
to
be
able
to
put
a
rip
over
their
head,
357
square
feet
is,
is
pretty
damn
good,
so
I'm
I'm
supportive.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
roman
commissioner,
albrecht.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
want
to
evoke
mature
goldsmith
and
commissioner
roman's
comments
regarding
their
support.
I
you
know
I
myself
lived
in
a
unit.
That
was
probably
I
don't
even
remember
how
many
square
footage
it
was.
But
when
I
moved
I
first
lived
on
my
own
and
I
felt
like
I
had
the
most
space
in
the
world,
so
I
I
do
think
that
there's
probably
an
appetite
for
this.
I
know
I've
seen
some
other
projects
in
other
areas
of
the
metro.
E
Units-
and
I
think
you
know,
there's,
like
commissioner
roman
said-
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
amenities,
both
retail
and
the
natural
environment.
Nearby
that
likely
bloomington
can
offer
for
micro
units
that
maybe
some
other
places
in
the
metro
region,
maybe
can't,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
nice
way
to
offer
something
like
this
for
the
community
and
to
to
draw
in
more
residents
and
more
families,
hopefully
into
the
area.
So
I
am
in
support
and
think
this
is
a
great
project.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner,
albrecht
commissioner
roman.
Another
comment.
D
I
forgot
one
other
comment
I
was
gonna
make
and
again
I
was
trying
to
make
sure
that
we'd
kind
of
looked
at
some
of
the
comments
that
we
received
from
the
public,
and
you
know
one
of
the
other
comments
that
I
think
someone
wondered
was
about
how
hotel
and
residential
floyd
exist.
D
And
I
didn't
ask
the
question
specifically
of
the
applicant
but
we've
you
know
in
edina,
it's
a
different
format,
a
different
price
point,
but
the
westin
mixes,
the
residential
and
and
the
hotel,
and
it
seems
to
be
fairly
successful
and
I
think
there
are
some
others
in
in
the
core
cities.
But
in
the
suburbs
we've
seen
that
work,
and
so
I
think
it
has
potential.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
like
how
this
is
a
it's
a
good
option
for
many
people
who
need
to
find
an
affordable
place.
It
also
facilitates
transportation.
So
I
like
that
about
it
about
it.
I
I
really
like
the
the
whole
plan,
as
as
it
is
too
so
I
am
in
support.
J
The
only
thing
I
would
really
like
to
to
ask
the
applicants
is
to
strongly
consider
as
they
are,
as
the
more
people
are
interested
in
those
units
to
consider
the
many
families
who
would
be
in
that
category
of
higher
need.
J
Sometimes
there
are
so
many
situations
that
just
all
of
a
sudden
come
in
the
lives
of
our
families
where
they
have
to
leave
their
places
of
living
and
they
need
to
find
an
option
and
they
need
to
find
an
option
where
they
can
actually
go
with
their
kids,
and
many
of
our
families
have
several
kids
and
so,
as
we
consider
that
you
know,
and
if
you
work
together
with
our
families,
you
are
working
with
our
community
and
you
are
working
in
one
of
the
best
interests
of
our
city,
which
is
attracting
and
retaining
young
families
so
yeah.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
corman
any
other
commissioners
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
issue.
No.
Well,
I
look
or
if
you
gather
your
thoughts,
couple
things
that
cross
my
mind.
You
know
as
commissioners
as
we
listen
to
this
is
originally
kind
of
looking
at
this
and
thinking
boy
new
development.
My
thoughts
were
gosh.
There
could
be
so
much
more
yet
on
the
other
s
as
we,
you
know,
progress
through
this
again.
A
This
is
the
ability
for
the
city
of
bloomington
to
reutilize
underutilized
facilities,
and
it
seems
a
reoccurring
theme
that
this
commission
has
hit
over
and
over
again
is
allowing
flexibility
so
that
these
types
of
facilities,
whether
they're
hotels
or
their
old
warehousing,
that
they
be
utilized
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
and
now
we
could
sit
here
and
say
that
this
as
a
new
ordinance
which
again
this
commission
moved
forward.
A
You
know
that
we
shouldn't
have
done
that
and
I
think
then
we
would
be
faced
with
a
potential
situation
in
some
of
these
facilities
like
this,
where
I
think
what
the
applicant
essentially
said
is
it's
performing,
but
you
know
it's:
it's
not
going
to
come
back
and
so
you'd
have
these
under
utilized
facilities.
A
Here
we
have
reinvestment
within
our
community.
Are
there
some
pieces
that
that
I
as
a
as
a
homeowner
in
bloomington,
maybe
don't
quite
understand
yeah?
That's
that's
possible,
but
again
now,
I'm
thinking
back
to
the
time
when
I
first
moved
to
the
city
and
something
nellie
just
said
about
kind
of
inviting
these
families
and
and
reinvesting
in
the
community.
A
I
lived
just
across
the
interstate
and
there's
a
reason
I
came
back
to
bloomington
after
college
is
because
the
area
was
nice,
and
so
you
know
if
we
have
these
abilities
to
start
somebody,
maybe
as
a
single
person
working
in
and
around
our
community
and
then
be
able
to
attract
them
back
as
families,
because
they
know
the
area.
A
But
the
part
that
impressed
me
even
more
is
that
there
is
the
ability
to
seek
additional
parking
if
needed
and,
as
you
can
see
from
some
of
the
pictures
we've
seen
as
part
of
this
development
there's,
there
was
and
continues
to
be,
a
lot
of
parking
in
this
area
that
just
sits
there
open
so
well,
I'm
okay
with
taking
that
and
and
looking
for
the
ability,
if
needed.
A
As
far
as
the
enclosed
parking,
it's
you
know,
there's
a
small
reduction
there,
but
again
the
the
ability
to
utilize
light
rail
transit
to
access
major
job
centers
within
our
twin
cities.
Region
really
does
provide
mitigation
for
that
reduced
number
and
then
again
the
size
and-
and
I
was
as
we
looked
at
this-
the
really
the
the
deviation
is-
is
three
square
feet
which
I
don't
know
if
I
could
put
my
shoes
in
three
square
feet
and
the
other
being
really
43
square
feet
for
those
46
non-uh
oho
units.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
have
two
more
comments,
one
being
an
appreciation
for
providing
some
affordability
and,
in
fact,
quite
a
level
afford
number
units
at
affordability
at
50
ami.
I
know
that
we've
seen
a
lot
of
applications
for
80
and
60
and
50
gets
us.
E
I
think,
at
a
at
a
level
that
seems
more
welcoming
for
folks
who
are
who
may
not
be
making
a
hundred
percent
obviously
of
the
area,
immediate
income,
so
just
wanted
to
mention
that
as
well
as
one
thing
that
it
occurred
to
me,
while
I
was
looking
at
this
was
it
seemed
as
though
the
opportunity
housing
ordinance-
and
you
know
I
may
be
missing
something
completely,
but
it
seems
like
the
opportunity.
E
We
see
that
in
this
project
here,
so
I
would,
I
guess
I
would
encourage
staff
to
continue-
and
I
know
this
this
has
been.
I
know
the
opportunity.
Housing
ordinance
is
a
living
breathing
document,
so
this
is
something
I
think
we
we've
learned
and
have
a
great
takeaway
here
of
maybe
looking
at
what
how
we
can
encourage
a
little
more
of
this
for
future
projects
if
there
are
properties
that
are
maybe
underutilized
or
underperforming
in
the
city.
So
that
was
my
last
two
comments.
Oh.
A
Great
comment,
commissioner,
albrecht-
and
I
see
mr
marker
guard
was
writing
feverishly,
as,
as
you
were
talking
so
well
noted.
Did
I
see
another
commissioner
with
a
hand
up
any
other
comments
on
the
application
before
us
from
commission
members.
A
A
F
A
All
right,
commission
members,
we
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us
and
a
second
to
recommend
to
city
council
approval,
major
revision
to
the
preliminary
development
plans
and
final
development
plans
to
convert
a
portion
of
the
hotel
located
at
three
and
four
apple
tree
square.
All
those
in
sorry
any
further
discussion.
C
F
A
A
Yes,
we
can,
we
can
see
the
your
notes
there.
You
go
presentation
mode
now.
G
All
right
sounds
good
good
evening,
mr
chair
and
commissioners
item
two
on
your
agenda
is
for
a
signed
setback,
variance
request.
The
address
is
6625
west
78th
street.
It's
a
six
story.
Office
building
surrounding
uses
include
the
city
of
edina
to
the
north
494
to
the
south.
There's
a
vacant
parcel
to
the
west
and
some
office
warehouse
building
to
the
east.
G
Excuse
me:
the
office
building
was
constructed
in
1997
and
the
freestanding
sign
along
west
78th
street
was
installed
sometime
around
then
the
sign
permit
was
issued
an
error
at
a
3.1
foot,
step
back
where
a
20
foot
step
back
from
the
property
line
along
the
street
is
required.
G
G
As
you
know,
there
are
certain
findings
that
must
be
met
to
approve
a
variance
and
staff
believes
the
proposed
setback.
Location
meets
those
findings
for
the
following
reasons:
it's
the
most
reasonable
location
for
the
sign.
First,
locating
a
sign
on
the
other
side
of
the
driveway
would
be
located
on
city
of
edina
land,
which
would
not
be
allowed
so
you'll
see
the
blue
line
is
the
municipal
boundary
between
bloomington
and
edina,
and
putting
a
sign
where
my
cursor
is
would
not
be
allowed.
G
Secondly,
the
boulevard
is
much
larger
than
a
typical
boulevard.
The
sign
would
be
located
15
feet
from
the
public
sidewalk
and
almost
40
feet
from
the
back
of
the
curb.
A
typical
boulevard
in
bloomington
is
anywhere
between
12
to
20
feet
wide,
where
in
this
instance,
the
boulevard
is
closer
to
40
feet.
G
There
are
a
couple
things
that
must
be
resolved
prior
to
the
sign
installation.
The
sign
is
located
within
a
drainage
and
utility
easement,
so
the
applicant
must
apply
for
an
encroachment
agreement
approved
by
the
city
engineer
prior
to
sign
install.
I
have
been
in
discussion
with
the
applicant
about
that
application.
G
G
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
day,
commission
members,
any
questions
for
staff
on
this.
Commissioner,
albrecht.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
miss
o'day
question
on
the
current
sign.
How
tall
is
it
because
you
said
that
the
proposed
sign
was
six
feet?
How
tall
is
the
current
sun?
I
may
have
missed
that.
G
Commissioner,
mr
chair,
commissioner,
albrecht,
I
believe
it's
as
you
can
see
here.
The
image
on
the
right
is
six
and
a
half
feet
tall,
I'm
not
sure
on
the
current
height,
but
it
looks
to
be
less
than
six
and
a
half
feet.
Perhaps
the
applicant
might
know
what
the
existing
sign
height
is.
A
All
right
all
right,
miss
o'day,
just
one
question
for
you:
it
in
the
staff
report,
just
the
the
schematic
of
the
signs
is
the
existing
foundation
staying
in
place.
Is
that
correct
understanding,
or
is
that
being.
A
Okay,
well,
we
can,
we
can
certainly
go
to
the
applicant
if
ms
o'day
is
not
able
to
answer
it.
Yes
is
it?
Is
it
peacock.
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
all
right,
I
don't
know
miss
pikach
if
you
have
any
additional
information,
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
planning
commission.
A
Okay,
all
right
and
we'll
go
back
to
planning
commission
members
any
any
additional
questions
for
the
applicant
or
miso
day,
all
right,
not
seeing
any
we'll
at
this
time
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public
hearing
and
mr
marker
guard
is
there
anybody
online?
That
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item.
B
A
C
E
A
E
A
E
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This
seems
pretty
straightforward,
given
the
conditions
of
the
property
and
the
city
boundary.
If
anyone
else
has
any
comments,
I
can
wait
otherwise,
they'd
be
happy
to
make
a
motion.
A
I
I
would
agree
with
you,
commissioner,
roman,
seeing
that
the
foundation
isn't
moving
they're,
simply
replacing
the
additional
structure.
I
feel
that
I
can
support
this
variance
any
other
commissioners.
Otherwise
go
ahead.
Commissioner,
roman.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
in
case
pl
2021-31.
Having
been
able
to
make
the
required
findings,
I
recommend
the
city
council
adopt
a
resolution
approving
a
variance
to
reduce
the
setback
from
20
feet
to
3.1
feet
for
a
free
standing
sign
at
6625,
west
78th
street,
subject
to
the
conditions
and
code
requirements
attached
to
the
staff
report.
All.
J
A
G
A
Cookton
all
right
and
I
for
myself
motion
passes.
This
item
will
now
move
on
to
the
april
5th
20,
2021
city
council,
meeting
on
the
consent
agenda
on
to
item
number,
three
landscape
screening
and
tree
preservation
standards.
Mr
james,
I
believe
you
have
the
staff
report
for
us.
K
A
It
is
visible,
yes,.
K
So
this
project
before
you
tonight,
it's
looking
at
both
ordinance
and
a
policy
document
related
to
landscaping
and
tree
standards
and
procedures.
I
will
say
it's
an
initial
effort.
It
focuses
mostly
on
cleanup
items
in
the
code
in
this
policy
document.
K
There
is
a
larger
part
of
the
project:
that'll
look
more
at
broader
sustainable
site,
design,
efforts
and
that'll
be
covered
at
a
later
date,
ideally
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
but
this
cleanup
project
addresses
a
few
ongoing
efforts
in
the
city.
So
one
is
to
look
at
some
of
the
implementation
that
was
recommended
in
that
river
valley,
natural
and
cultural
systems
plan,
especially
with
regard
to
prohibited
species.
K
It
also
addresses
the
planning,
division's
multi-year
effort
to
move
the
zoning
code
standards
from
chapter
19
to
chapter
21
in
the
code.
So
there's
some
cleanup
involved
with
that
and
then
likewise
staff
regularly
keeps
a
running
list
of
cleanup
items
related
to
language.
In
the
in
the
code
we
keep
a
list
of
and
normally
they're
included
in
miscellaneous
issues
ordinance,
but
as
they
relate
to
landscaping
our
trees,
they're
included
here
as
part
of
this
effort.
So
for
you,
then
tonight
we
have
both
this
ordinance
changes
and
this
separate
policy
document.
K
So
in
the
ordinance,
then
there's
some
added
references
to
other
sections
of
the
code
that
talk
about
no
landscaping
such
as
native
landscaping
or
to
that
that
landscaping
is
required
for
two
family
dwellings,
we're
adding
clarity
there,
as
well
as
adding
clarity
that
no
penalties
can
be
enforced
as
part
of
true
chapter
18,
which
deals
more
with
prohibited
trees.
K
There
are
a
couple
updates
to
prohibited
trees,
I'll
talk
more
about
in
a
minute,
as
well
as
clarifying
language
and
a
definition
I'll
touch
on
here
in
a
minute,
as
far
as
prohibited
trees,
we
added
an
exception
for
cottonwoods
and
boxelder
trees,
and
this
is
a
recommendation
coming
from
the
river
valley
plan,
noting
that
these
are
two
native
species
and
they
play
a
valuable
role
in
the
natural
environment.
Here,
especially
in
the
river
valley,
in
the
flood
plain
areas
at
times,
they
may
be
helpful
for
restoration
efforts
and
so
the
exception
that
was
added.
K
K
And
it
allows
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
and
for
those
restoration
efforts.
These
species,
I
believe,
were
initially
added
to
prohibited
lists
because
they
can
be
I'm
kind
of
weedy
species
and
they
get
pretty
large.
They
grow
quickly
and
can
be
weak
wooded,
but
they
make
sense
in
more
natural
settings.
K
So
the
other
ordnance
update
is
adding
language
within
our
significant
tree
definition,
and
I
will
note
this
definition
is
only
with
regard
to
tree
preservation
standards,
but
the
definition
it's
is
with
regard
to
which
trees
need
to
be
replaced
in
certain
in
certain
situations.
K
I
think
one
or
two
of
those
species
are
on
the
prohibited
list,
so
it's
come
up
in
the
past.
The
question
as
to
whether
all
prohibited
species
are
intended
to
be
an
exception
from
significant
trees,
and
so
with
this
ordinance
with
the
language,
that's
added.
We
want
to
clarify
that.
No,
that's
not
the
case
that,
for
instance,
ash
trees
are
prohibited
due
to
due
to
the
emerald
ash
borer.
K
However,
you
know
in
the
event
that
ash
trees
would
need
to
be
replaced
under
this
ordinance.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
in
fact
replaced
and
not
no,
not
unreplaced.
K
So
yeah
this,
this
definition
is
just
clarifying
that
a
tree
can
be
both
prohibited
and
significant
and
requiring
a
replacement.
K
So
until
the
policies
updates,
we
added
some
flexibility
with
regard
to
sureties.
So
typically,
we
require
a
surety
amount.
I
believe
it's
50
cents
per
square
foot
of
the
site
size,
however,
for
some
really
small
building
editions
or
in
the
picture
here,
columbarium
edition,
that's
situated
on
a
really
large
site
that
surety
fee
can
be
quite
quite
large
for
a
pretty
small
project
and
prohibitive
to
that
project.
K
We
also
at
the
the
last
few
pages
of
that
policy
update,
we
fixed
some
of
the
recommended
species,
so
some
of
those
species
have
become
more
and
more
weedy
or
more
and
more
invasive
over
time,
even
though
they're
not
on
prohibited
lists.
Now,
that's
not
out
of
the
realm
of
possibility
that
they
could
be
in
the
future.
K
We
added
a
reference
to
the
state's
website
as
well,
that
lists
those
prohibited
species,
both
trees
and
non-trees,
and
then
we
added
categories
for
no
landscaping
areas
that
are
more
and
more
common
or
encouraged,
such
as
pollinator
pollinator-friendly.
K
K
K
We
send
out
those
esubscribe
notices
through
email
to
a
couple
of
our
user
groups,
so
that
hits
you
know
over
a
thousand
people
for
users,
and
then
we
also
publish
the
meeting
in
this
home
current,
but
no
correspondence
correspondence
has
been
received.
K
K
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
james
commissioner,
roman.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
james,
a
random
question-
and
you
may
have
mentioned
this
and
I
missed
it
on
slide
five,
where
you
talk
about
significant
trees
and
then
there's
a
list
of
trees
that
are
accepted
ex
accepted.
D
D
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
differentiate
between
ones
that
are
prohibited,
which
we
have
clear
reasons
why
and
ones
that
we
think
we
don't
have
to
replace
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
think
we
could
do
with
a
lot
less
silver
maples,
but
I
just
wasn't
sure
what
the
difference
was
between
the
two.
K
A
All
right,
any
additional
questions
for
mr
james
commissioner
abdi.
F
Thank
you,
chair
just
for
clarification
as
a
resident
in
viewing
this
language
proposal
in
the
in
the
ordinance.
It
has
to
do
more
with
existing
with
new
developments,
possibly
correct
or
if
I'm
doing
a
large
addition
and
I'm
substantially
cutting
back
on
large
trees
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
for
your
typical
residential,
like
if
I
were
to
cut
down
a
you
know
any
tree
on
my
single
family
house
for
no
reason
on
my
lot.
That
is,
for
you
know
to
just
get
rid
of
it.
F
Would
that
be
not
in
compliance
with
this
ordinance?
Do
I
need
to
check,
in
with
steph,
to
make
sure
that
you
know
I
I'm
meeting
certain
quota
and
considering
that
this
is
an
existing
use,
possibly
a
very
mature
tree
that
may
or
may
not
have
an
issue?
Are
there
going
to
be
any
compliance
issues?
If
I
decide
to
take
one
down
and
not
replace
it,.
K
Yes,
mr
peer
commissioner,
abdi
good
question
so
yeah
in
most
situations,
not
a
single
family
residence,
removing
a
tree,
there's
no
restriction
on
that
where
this
ordinance
applies
is
for
single
and
two
family
subdivisions.
A
Not
sani
well,
since
the
city
is
the
applicant.
I
guess
we'll
at
this
point
go
to
the
public
hearing.
Mr
marker
guard.
Is
there
anybody
from
the
public
that
is
registered
or
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item?.
A
G
A
J
A
Cookton
hi
and
I
for
myself
motion
passes
public
carrying
on
this
item
is
now
closed.
Commission
members
is
there.
Are
there?
Is
there
any
discussion?
I
myself
looked
through
the
ordinance.
I
read
it
feels
like
good
cleanup
to
me
and
I'm
supportive
of
the
the
changes
any
other
commission
members.
I'd
like
to
speak.
Commissioner
roman.
A
D
Chair,
I
too,
I'm
supportive-
and
I
just
thank
the
staff
for
this
kind
of
cleanup
work
is
not
the
flashy
fun
stuff.
That's
most
people
clamor
for
in
public
service,
but
it's
important
work
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that's
been
put
into
it.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner,
goldsmith.
E
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
again
appreciate
the
staff's
work
in
this,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
read
that
I
really
appreciated
is
talking
about
pollinators
as
well
as
perennials.
I
think
I
saw
a
line
in
there
about
you
know
where
snow
would
cover
a
tree
or
or
be
pushed
up
against
a
tree.
They
could
use
a
perennial
type
plant
instead.
So
I
like
the
the
flexibility
that
we're
looking
at
landscaping,
not
just
on
trees,
but
also
on
pollinator
or
shrub
or
perennial
plants
that
are
native
to
this
location.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
In
case
pl
2021-29.
I
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
ordinance
and
associated
changes
to
the
landscaping
and
screening
policies
and
procedures
document.
It's
attached
to
the
staff
report
to
make
minor
amendments
to
chapters
10,
18,
19,
21
and
22
of
the
city
code,
and
to
move
the
landscaping
and
screening
and
tree
preservation,
sections
from
chapter
19
to
chapter
21..
A
E
A
All
right,
commissioner
members,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
motion
in
front
of
us
to
recommend
approval
of
the
ordinance
and
associated
changes
to
the
landscaping
and
screening
policies
and
procedures
documented
as
attached
to
the
staff
report
to
make
minor
amendments
to
chapter
10,
18,
19,
21
and
22
of
the
city
code,
and
to
move
the
landscaping
and
screening
and
tree
preservation,
sections
from
chapter
19
to
21.
E
A
Cookton
all
right
and
I
for
myself
motion,
passes
all
right.
Those
changes
will
move
forward
to
city
council
meeting
on
april
19th
as
a
public
hearing
all
right,
commission
members.
We
are
now
on
to
item
number
four,
our
last
item,
which
is
not
a
public
hearing.
It
is
for
information
and
it's
the
congress.
New
urbanism
portland
legacy
project
update
from
miss
farnam.
L
L
All
right
moving
forward
okay
good
evening
and
I
am
presenting
an
update
on
the
portland
legacy
project,
which
is
a
project
for
the
congress
for
new
urbanism,
which
is
a
national
organization
of
urban
designers
planners
engineers
that
really
focus
kind
of
on
a
lot
of
transit,
oriented
development
and
just
more
urbanism.
L
I,
I
should
say
mixed-use
kinds
of
things
and
every
year
when
they
have
annual
call
a
congress,
they
select
a
handful
of
projects
generally
three
or
four
in
the
host
community,
and
so
in
two
2020
last
year
that
the
annual
con
congress
was
going
to
happen
in
the
twin
cities.
Of
course,
that
ended
up
being
canceled
or
it
was
virtual.
But
in
29
we
applied
for
a
legacy
project
and
were
selected.
L
It
was
a
a
project
that
we
did
in
partnership
with
the
city
of
richfield
and
I'll
just
kind
of
jump
into
this.
Now.
L
So,
as
I
said
this,
these
little
projects
are
done
in
conjunction
with
the
cnu's
annual
conference
and
so
they're
really
intended
as
kind
of
a
short
design.
Charette
usually
focused
around
about
a
one
week
very
interactive
activities
with
the
public
as
well
as
stakeholder
groups
and
and
what
happens
with
these.
L
The
cnu
pairs,
the
project
national
design,
firm
who
comes
in
for
that
week
and
and
brings
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
on
the
area,
the
situation
and
gets
a
lot
of
input
and
then
produces
a
plan
of
recommendations
from
based
on
what
they've
heard
and
what
they
see
and
their
expertise.
L
L
There
we
go
so
some
of
the
goals
of
the
project
were
to
create
an
attractive
gateway
and
a
sense
of
identity.
So
this
is
a
major
entryway
to
both
of
our
cities,
and
also
these
are
areas
where
well.
Both
of
our
cities
are
redeveloping
and
we're
seeing
demographics,
and
thus
changing
community
needs
so
responding
to
those
changes.
L
Probably
the
biggest
thing
is
improving.
Mobility
for
all
modes
and
connectivity
across
foreign
for
494
is
kind
of
a
barrier
between
our
two
communities
and
also
there's
a
fair
amount
of
affordable
housing.
That's
in
this
area
so
maintain
that,
but
also
look
at
potential
opportunities
to
expand
housing
options
in
in
the
area.
L
One
of
the
objectives
of
legacy
is
to
look
at
examples.
These
the
the
the
prop
selected,
often
examples
of
to
create
like
a
replica
replicable
model
and
in
this
case,
like
a
suburban
model,
where
the
redevelopment
area
was
really
focused
around
some
of
may
infrastructure
changes
in
this
case
494
and
well
494
was
the
big
one,
the
other
big
thruster
goal.
These
projects
is
to
enhance
the
public
realm.
L
So,
just
a
little
bit
of
the
site
context,
the
area
of
focus
is
really
right
around
the
intersection
of
portland
and
494,
so
both
sides
of
portland
extending
roughly
north
to
77th
and
south
to
american.
However,
the
study
area,
we
really
wanted
to
look
at
a
broader
extended
to
nicolette
and
12th
and
then
north
and
south,
a
little
bit
of
of
that
focus
area
and
we're
calling
that
bigger
area
kind
of
the
walk
and
streetscape
enhancement
zone.
Where
that
central
focus
area
is
really
kind
of
the
redevelopment
zone
or
the
focal
area.
L
So
why
focus
on
this
area?
Again?
Both
areas
are
characterized
as
aging
commercial
nodes.
Bloomington
we've
got
a
couple
of
old
shopping
centers
in
richfield,
there's
a
lot
of
auto
oriented
kinds
of
uses,
as
I
mentioned
before,
this
is
a
major
gateway
to
both
of
our
cities
and
then
there's
some
major
public
transportation
investments
going
on
here
that
we
thought
we
could.
It
would
make
some
sense
to
look
at
this
area,
come
up
with
some
ideas
in
conjunction
with
and
maybe
help
to
provide
some
guidance
for
those
those
other
projects.
L
The
big
one,
of
course,
is
the
494
project,
which
is
really
focused
around
the
interchange
of
494
and
35w,
but
it
does
extend
to
the
east
and
west
and
and
the
the
concept
right
now
is
to
basically
rebuild
the
portland,
interchange
and
potentially
close
nicolet
and
and
12th,
which
provides
some
opportunities
I'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit.
The
other
big
project
is
the
planned
d-line
brt,
which
metro
transit
is
working
on
and
there
will
be
two
stops.
L
You
can
see
on
this
graphic
the
the
two
blue
circles
with
white
in
the
center.
So
there's
one
in
bloomington
right
by
our
walmart
and
then
one
up
at
77th
river
roosevelt
park
in
in
ridgefield.
So
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
potentially
enhance
more
walkability
and
and
transit
oriented
design.
L
L
We
had
some
meetings
with
staff
with
stakeholders,
and
so
they
prepared
some
existing
conditions
information.
So
this
is
these
next
couple.
Slides
are
all
about
challenges
and
opportunities,
so
connectivity
is
probably
the
biggest
thing
here
again.
L
So
one
of
the
opportunities
here
with
this
mndot
project
is
this
proposal
to
close
off
access
at
nicolette
and
twelfth
and
make
those
two
that's
an
opportunity
to
make
those
two
streets
a
lot
more
pedestrian
friendly
and
that
would
really
improve
access
across
here.
But
there's
also
opportunity
when
portland
is
re-configured
to
make
that
more
pedestrian
friendly.
As.
L
Well,
so
there
are
also
looked
at
what
are
some
of
the
what
they're
called
resources
or
public
spaces
places
where
people
like
to
gather
so
there's
a
number
of
parks
in
the
area.
Roosevelt
park
in
richfield
is
big
one
smith
park
in
bloomington,
there's
the
excel
corridor
that
goes
right
along
down
to
smith
park,
there's
a
couple
other
smaller
parks
and
there's
a
fair
amount
of
churches
in
this
area.
So
those
are
kind
of
public
gathering
community
gathering
places.
L
They
looked
at
the
existing
kind
of
land
use
and
zoning
framework
for
the
that's
in
place
and
the
two
cities
richfield
has
already
implemented
mixed-use
zoning
along
the
494
corridor,
so
so
they've
got
zoning
that
that
really
does
provide
for
mixed
use.
At
this
point,
bloomington
does
not.
L
I
would
anticipate
one
of
the
recommendations
that
will
come
out
of
this
will
be
to
consider
rezoning
these
areas
right
at
portland
and
america,
the
two
shopping
centers,
essentially
that
are
currently
zoned,
b2
and
and
resign
them
something
like
b4
that
would
allow
residential
or
allow
a
broader
mix
very,
very
similar
to
the
kinds
of
recommendations
that
you
just
heard
at
your
last
meeting
on
lindell.
L
The
other
I
think
idea
here
is
that
much
of
this
stretch
well,
really
much
of
american
is
zoned
for
freeway-oriented
commercial
uses,
which
is
probably
makes
some
sense,
but
particularly
as
we're
looking
at
changes
to
nicolette
and
12th.
You
know
there
might
be
some
opportunity
to.
You
know
maybe
rethink
some
of
that
zoning
as
well.
L
L
And
then
they've
also
begun
drafting
some
high-level
guidance,
and
this
plan
will
be
relatively
high
level.
So
this
is
the
product
generally,
these
these
legacy
projects
are
the
product
of
a
week-long
kind
of
a
very
highly
interactive
community
engagement,
sort
of
process,
and-
and
so
while
they
provide
good
guidance,
they
aren't
the
product
of
a
longer
term.
You
know
like
the
lindell
plan
was
a
year
and
a
half,
and
it
involved
some
pretty
intensive
analysis
that
was
done.
These
are
more
consensual,
nature
and
more
sort
of
here's.
What
we're
hearing?
L
Here's,
what
we're
seeing
and
here's
what
we're
recommending.
L
Nonetheless,
we
certainly
anticipate
and
hope
that
these
will
provide
some
good
guidance
for
us,
but
so
here's
just
some
of
the
the
ideas
that
are
framing
up
and
again
enhancing
that
multi
mobility
throughout
this
area
is
probably
the
biggest
thing
and
so
identifying
some
of
the
routes
to
prioritize
for
pedestrian
and
bicycle
enhancements
and
then
identifying
opportunities
to
enhance
accessibility
and
safety.
L
So
things
like
access
management,
perhaps
or
just
other
kinds
of
street
kinds
of
things,
that
would
perhaps
make
the
area
more
safe,
particularly
for
well
really
for
all
mobile
modes,
but
right
now
it
really
favors
automobiles
and
maybe
looking
at
making
it
safer
for
bicyclists
and
pedestrians.
L
The
the
plan
will
also
include
some
design
guidance
so
streetscape
and
landscaping
some
building
design.
So
when
and
if
properties
redevelop.
Some
of
this
may
not
be
any
different
than
what
we
already
have.
L
We've
got
some
design
standards
in
our
mixed
use,
districts,
so
b4,
c4,
c5,
lx,
etc,
and
my
anticipation
would
be
that
the
kinds
of
things
that
they
might
recommend
would
be
pretty
similar
to
the
kinds
of
standards
we
already
have,
but
looking
out
at
two
some
thoughts,
some
ideas
about
street
furniture
and
also
creative
place,
making
opportunities
in
the
area.
L
But
by
identifying
that
in
a
plan
it
could
become,
you
know,
as
opportunities
arise
through
the
hra,
for
instance,
to
start
to
for
some
properties.
You
know
this
might
be.
This
will
provide
some
guidance
around
that
also
some
ideas
about
removing
process
barriers
like
expedited,
permit
review
and
fee
waivers
again.
L
So
we've
done
a
fair
amount
of
outreach
on
this
project.
We
did
a
lot
last
year
and
unfortunately,
the
the
shutdown
came
literally
a
week
before
the
week-long
charette
was
going
to
take
place
and
we'd
already
done
a
lot
of
outreach.
So
that
was
unfortunate,
but
we
were
able
to.
Then
we
basically
picked
it
up
again
and
dusted
it
off
and
did
some
more.
So
we
did
things
like
press
releases
both
last
year
as
well
as
this
year.
We
did
social
media
we've
had
our
bloomington
briefing.
L
Richfield
2
has
a
news
that
they've
had
some
articles
and
we
sent
out
these
postcards.
We
did
that
last
year.
We
did
it
again
this
year
as
we
went
virtual
this
year
and
we
sent
postcards
to
well
that
300
3500
people
was
in
both
bloomington
and
richfield.
L
They
were
in
spanish
as
well
as
english.
We
held
a
virtual
community
meeting
on
february
24th,
the
consultant
kind
of
walked
through
their
initial
findings
and
some
initial
recommendations,
and
they
introduced
their
online
engagement
tools,
which,
hopefully
some
of
you
had
the
opportunity
to
check
out
a
little
bit
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody
had
the
opportunity
to
join
in
on
february
24th,
but
that
presentation
was
also
on
the
website
and
the
website
that
the
consultant
had
for
us
with
the
interactive
tools
closed
down
yesterday.
L
But
we
will
be
getting
the
results
and
summaries
of
all
of
that
input
and
we
will
have
it
on
the
project.
The
city's
website
on
the
project
website,
as
well
as
the
recording
of
that
february
24th
community
meeting.
If
you
know
you
do,
want
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
it.
L
L
So
we
had
folks
from
mndot
metro,
transit
and
hennepin
county
and
also
folks
from
excel,
because
one
of
the
opportunities
here
is
to
potentially
improve
upon
that
that
existing
there's
a
sidewalk
that
goes
through
that
excel
corridor,
basically
from
american
smith
park
and
it's
about
a
four
foot,
wide,
concrete,
sidewalk
and
so
improving
on
that
connection
and
excel
seems
pretty
open
to
that.
L
So
that's
good
news
and
we
also
sent
out
individual
letters
to
all
the
property
owners
and
tenants
in
the
that
focus
area,
offering
them
one-on-one
interviews.
Essentially
with
the
consultant.
We
only
got
one
taker,
but
we
did
get
one
taker,
so
at
least
we
got
one,
but
we
did
offer
that
and
then
with
our
community
outreach
staff
as
well
as
just
those
of
us
in.
G
L
The
planning
department-
we
did
a
lot
of
other
outreach
to
folks
in
the
in
the
area
as
well
as
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
school
districts,
and
then
we
have
our
our
standard
e-subscribe
that
went
out
to.
L
So
the
next
steps,
so
the
public
input,
interactive
tools
closed
down
yesterday,
and
so
the
consultant
is
pulling
together
what
they
heard
from.
B
L
And
we
will
and
so
they're
taking
all
of
that
input
and
then
there's
they're
starting
to
pull
together
kind
of
the
the
draft
final
plan.
L
L
And
then
we'll
bring
it
back
well,
the
consultant
will
finalize
the
the
plan
and
then
we'll
bring
it
back
in
may
for
public
hearings,
both
at
the
planning
commission
and
at
the
city
council
to
adopt
essentially
the
plan.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
farnham,
commission
members,
any
comments
or
thoughts.
My
understanding
is,
you
were
looking
for
any
feedback
that
the
commission
may
have
on
goals.
Principles.
That
sort
of
thing
at
this
point
is
that
correct.
L
Yes,
mr
chair,
commission
members
yeah,
I'm
just
looking
for
any
feedback.
You
have
on
any
of
the
ideas
that
were
presented.
A
A
But
a
couple
of
things
I
did
here
and
just
to
reiterate
is
that
in
that
multimodal
mobility
side
is
that
crossing
really
the
pedestrian
crossing
of
494
is
a
very
big
deal
for
those
members
of
the
community
that
were
able
to
tune
in
and
not
just
at
a
specific
location,
but
in
general,
the
the
barrier
that
the
interstate
poses,
and
we
know
that
from
from
other
areas
within
the
city
and
within
the
metro
as
well.
A
So
I'm
glad
to
see
that
one
area
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
much
this
falls
under
this-
but
I
noticed
we
have
kind
of
this
principle
of
affordable
housing.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
that
fits
in
with
this
or
not,
but
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
otherwise,
the
principles
that
were
laid
out-
I'm
certainly
agree
with
I'm
a
little
hesitant
on
my
own
to
say
to
put
more
housing
next
to
the
interstate,
but
understand
mixed
use
could
be
valuable.
A
We
just
have
to
be
smart
about
it.
So
I'll
leave
those
comments,
and
commissioner
crookton.
C
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
for
ms
farnham.
First,
one
thing
that
was
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
was
protection
of
naturally
occurring,
affordable,
housing.
C
L
I'm
sure
mr
chair
member
click
done
so.
The
oho
requires
the
addition
of
the
nine
percent.
Whenever
there's
new
housing
developed,
whether
it's
getting
funding
or
not
so
anytime,
there's
new
housing
development
of
it.
Well,
I
guess
it's
20
units
or
more
the
oho
kicks
in
and
there's
a
minimum
requirement
of
creation
of
nine
percent
of
affordable
units
with
regard
to
preservation
of
existing
or
noaa
units.
L
If
that
development
is
getting
funding
from
the
city
or
the
hra,
so
that
would
so
so
that's
then
then
the
oho
and
the
preservation
of
nine
percent
would
be
required
if,
if
it
was
a
noaa
property
that
was
funded
receiving
funding
through
the
city
or
the
hra
and
they
came
in
and
did
a
substantial
rehab,
they
would
need
to
preserve
at
least
nine
percent.
L
We
have
another
provision
in
our
code,
which
is
the
90-day
tenant
protection
and
that
was
put
in
place
because
of
some
of
these
issues,
where
developers
were
coming
in
and
buying
up
older
apartment
buildings,
which
were
generally
noaa
and
fixing
them
up
and
raising
the
rents
and
essentially
displacing
the
residents
that
were
there
and
how
we
responded
to
that.
We
and
a
lot
of
well
not
a
lot
but
several
other
communities
in
the
metro,
the
tool
that
seemed
to
work.
The
best
of
this
90-day
protection
ordinance.
L
L
You
know
that
would
that
would
we
would
run
into
some
problems
now
one
of
the
things
if
somebody
bought
it
with
the
intention
of
doing
something
other
than
residential,
they
would
have
to
most
likely
rezone
it
and
so
there
there
would
be
some
discussion
around
it
at
that
point,
and
perhaps
a
land
use
change
as
well,
but
in
terms
of
what
kinds
of
hard
and
fast
rules
do
we
have
to
say
you
can't
change
or
remove
noah.
L
We
don't
really
have
anything,
but
we
do
have
some
tools
that
if
you
want
to
fix
up
the
noaa
that
you
could
perhaps
do
that
under
the
ohl
and
and
have
access
to
those
other
incentives.
C
Miss
farnam
one
of
the
recommendations,
as
you
mentioned,
was
to
add
possibly
in
additional
housing
stock
to
this
area.
Is
there
a
concern
from
staff
that
we're
going
too
residential
on
some
of
these
things?
As
you
mentioned,
you
know,
lindell
avenue
were
proactively
rezoning
to
get
more
residential.
We
did
that
a
year
ago,
at
you,
know
similar
again
at
98th
and
lindale
re
proactively
rezoning
to
get
more
residential.
L
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
cook
done
perhaps,
but
I
I
think
the
idea
in
in
zoning
it
to
allow
for
broader
uses
would
really
that
the
market
would
kind
of
dictate
that
you're
just
kind
of
setting
the
table.
I
mean
by
rezoning
it
to
some
to
a
zoning
district
that
would
allow
residential
wouldn't
make
residential
happen.
L
Likewise,
on
on
lindale,
in
those
two
nodes
where
the
recommendation
was
to
rezone,
I
mean
we
could
proactively
rezone
it
to
set
the
table
and
reduce
the
hurdles
that
a
developer
would
have
to
go
through.
If
they
wanted
to
do
residential,
but
rezoning
in
and
of
itself
is
not
going
to
make
residential
happen,
it
might
entice
it,
but
ultimately
it's
going
to
be
the
market
driving
that
also,
I
think
so,
with
a
recommendation
here
to
consider
rezoning,
proactive
rezoning.
L
I
mean
that
would
be
considered
by
the
planning,
commission
and
city
council
in
light
of
all
of
the
other
areas
of
the
city
that
you
might
want
to
prioritize
for
proactive
rezoning,
for
instance,
and
where
this
would
fall
in
that
list.
I'm
not
really
sure
just
going
back
a
few
years
to
when
we
did
a
the
neighborhood
commercial
node
study,
portland
and
american
came
out
as
number
one
as
a
potential
redevelopment
area.
L
So
now,
whether
that
still
stands
or
not,
I
mean
things
have
changed
and
lindell
has
certainly
taken
on
more
life
so
and
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
revisiting
those
priorities
sometime
this
year.
L
So
you
know
we'll
we'll
see
what
happens
there,
but
that's
kind
of
how
the
process
would
work
so
this
plan
would
I'm
anticipating
this
plan
will
recommend
that
we
consider
rezoning,
but
that
recommendation
would
be
considered
in
light
of
all
of
the
other
priorities
that
the
city
has,
and
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
chair
solberg's
comment
too
about
I
mean
I
point
well
taken.
You
know
whether
or
not
residential
is
appropriate
immediately
adjacent
to
the
freeway.
L
That
I
mean
that's
a
that's
a
great
question,
so
you
know
that
would
be
something
to
consider
as
well,
and
I
and
I'm
sorry,
but
I
also
wanted
to
comment
on
another
comment
that
the
chair
solberg
mentioned,
and
that
was
the
affordable
commercial
and
I
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
because
that
is
a
comment
that
has
come
up
in
the
stakeholder
meetings.
L
L
So
there
may
be
some
ideas
that
are
presented
in
this
plan
for
how
to
minimize
displacement
of
of
existing
businesses.
So
I
just
wanted
to
follow.
A
Thank
you
for
coming
back
to
that,
commissioner
cook
done.
Did
you
have
any
any
additional
comments?
A
A
Okay,
all
right
other
commission
members,
any
comments
or
thoughts
for
for
mrs
barnum,
commissioner
abdi.
F
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
live
right
really
close
to
this
area
that
we
are
regular
and
using
the
freeway
from
this
side
of
town.
You
know
get
gas
from
here
mostly
and
then
the
walgreens
subway
and
our
favorite.
You
know
denny's
bakery
right
behind
the
toy
store
which
has
been
now,
I
believe
vacant
for
over
two
years
now-
and
I
don't
know,
if
that's
a
going
to
become
a
redevelopment
site,
I
think
that's
one
of
the
the
corner.
F
It's
right
on
the
corner
of
portland
and
american
boulevard,
of
where
the
subject
area
is,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
any
possible
housing
redevelopment
or
not.
But
I
would
love
this
corner
to
continue
to
be
this
small.
You
know
mom
papa
shop
corner.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
big
box.
We
don't
have
a
grocery.
I
know
we
have
a
walmart
around
here,
but
we
don't
have
any
coffee
shops
in
this
area.
You
know
I
love
going
to
the
bakery
with
my
family.
F
A
high
commuter
corridor-
and
I
feel,
like
you,
know,
right
off
the
freeway
traffic
is
coming
real
fast
right
on
to
the
bloomington
side,
at
least
and
crossing
between
the
walgreens
and
the
subway
or
the
dollar
store
is
very
risky
and
for
folks
who
are
coming
off
the
bus
station
on
toward
the
walmart
side
on
and
crossing
over
to
the
other
side,
they
have
to
use
the
actual
crossroad
and
then
kind
of
walk
in
back
into
the
sidewalks
to
get
on
to
the
other
side.
F
So
I
don't
know
what
you
know
do
we
need
to
slow
traffic
on
this
corridor
between
where
the
study
section
is
between
the
two
commercial
activities
that
are
facing
each
other
on
the
bloomington
side?
I
would
love
it
if
it
was
a
little
bit
slower,
and
I
understand
that
might
be
a
challenge,
considering
that
this
is
right
on
the
freeway
access
in
and
out
of
that.
F
But
I
hope
this
corner
becomes
a
place
where
we
can
walk
as
as
a
community,
because
we
drive
to
everything
and
if
we
can,
you
know,
get
coffee
from
here
or
like
have
something
fun
like
a
neighborhood
retail
sales,
sales
and
services
that
we
continue
to
operate
this
corner
as
such
and
that
it
becomes
a
family
friendly.
F
I
think
a
very
desirable
thing
and
I
work
in
minneapolis,
and
we
have
that
in
the
zona
code,
where
you
have
mixed
uses,
where
you
know
right
next
door
to
residential,
you
have
a
grocery
store
or
a
bar.
Whatever
the
case
may
be
even-
and
I
know
joanna
at
one
point
in
a
previous
conversation-
brought
up
something
about
a
distillery
around
here
like
I'm.
F
Not
a
drinker,
but
I'm
sure
my
resident,
our
residents
here
in
bloomington
are,
I
would
love
to
have
a
place
to
unwind
and
just
go
right
across
the
street
on
a
you
know
not
too
far
from
their
house
without
having
to
go
too
far
outside
of
a
bloomington
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
But
how
do
we
attract
those
type
of
activities
without
losing
the
identity?
So
to
say
I
like
the
small
scaleness
of
the
corridor,
but
I
would
love
to
see
more
of
it,
and
maybe
that
goes
to
sorry.
F
What's
the
term
placemaking
and
whatever
that
looks
like,
so,
I'm
really
excited
to
seeing
what
possibilities
there
are
for,
allowing
you
know,
walkable
mixed
use,
and
I
know
we
tend
to
focus
on
housing,
but
I'm
interested
in
anything
but
housing
in
this
location
richfield
can
do
the
housing
for
now.
L
Yeah
yeah
well,
thank
you,
commissioner
abdi
yeah,
and
I
think
that
the
idea
would
be
to
accommodate
a
variety
of
uses
and,
and
maybe
it
turns
out
that
b2
is
the
best
use
there.
L
The
thing
with
b2
it
does
allow
some
more
auto
oriented
uses
more
so
than
the
b4
does,
but
I
mean
you
know
those
are
all
great
things
to
to
keep
in
mind
one
of
the
things
you
mentioned:
the
kids,
kids,
r
us
or
whatever
that
that
is
right
on
the
corner
there
and
that's
a
a
classic
example
of
the
challenges
of
redevelopment
in
this
area.
You
mentioned
it.
It's
been
vacant
for
at
least
the
last
year,
and
because
there's
no,
that
lot
has
no
parking.
L
There's
like
two
spaces
up
in
the
front
and
and
that's
it
so
they
it
it's
really
hard
for
them
to
even
find
users
for
that
space.
Because
of
the
you
know,
the
the
zoning
challenges
so
without
combining
that
parcel
with
an
adjacent
parcel,
it's
going
to
be
a
real
challenge
to
re
redevelop
this
area,
without
you
know,
cooperation
amongst
property
owners
and
combining
and
whatnot.
L
But
I
I
I
appreciate
your
comments
about
you
know,
keeping
it
as
a
local
destination
and-
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
residents,
particularly
on
the
richfield
side,
and
they
do
come
over
and
use
the
shopping
centers
and
so
this
plan,
probably
the
biggest
focus
of
this
plan,
will
be
on
those
public
realm
improvements
to
try
to
make
the
area
more
walkable,
more
comfortable
to
walk
and
bike
and
get
around
and
you're
absolutely
correct
as
a
major
access
point
off
of
a
freeway.
L
You
know
that's
a
challenge
to
to
do
all
of
those
things,
but
I
guess
the
good
news
is
that
the
consultant
who
is
working
on
this
has
a
fair
amount
of
experience
working
in
transportation
issues
as
well.
So
we
hope
to
have
some
at
least
some
creative
ideas
and
suggestions
that
come
out
of
this.
That
we
can,
you
know,
potentially
draw
on
as
some
of
the
details
of
the
mendel
mndot
project
start
to
become
clear,
which
could
be
a
little
while
now.
L
But
yet,
but
you
know
it,
that's
the
idea
that
this
plan
would
have
provided
some
guidance.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
goldsman.
E
Thanks
mr
chair,
one
of
the
comments
that
I
was
looking
at
is
obviously
we've
been
talking
about
walkability
and
commissioner
abdi
you're
after
my
heart
to
talk
about
that
community
and
culture
and
a
place
where
people
can
congregate
like
we
talked
about
breweries
and
distilleries
tap
rooms,
et
cetera,
one
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
the
city
become
more
flexible
on
is
the
parking
piece
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
if
we
could
get
creative
in
this
plan
to
do
shared
parking
in
a
way
that
you
know
we
have
a
an
office
building
that
uses
it
during
the
day.
E
But
then
we've
got
you
know
apartments
that
we'll
use
at
night
and
being
more
of
a
flexible
thought
of.
When
is
this
parking
really
being
used
and
and
how
and
I
think
that
there's
some
definite
opportunities
in
this
area-
I
think
you
know
you
look
at
denny's
and
I
see
it's
it's
a
great
resource.
It's
a
local
place,
it's
in
an
island
of
cement,
and
so
could
we
do
something.
E
You
know
where
we
can
obviously
use
parking,
but
then
I'll
obviously
make
it
more
green
space,
more
inviting
more
walkable
et
cetera.
So
I'm
excited
to
see
this
this
location
develop.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
here
and
the
accessibility
to
the
freeways
is
really
nice,
but
again
creating
this
culture
and
space
will
be
a
great
thing
for
the
the
the
location
neighborhood.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
that
at
all
missouri.
L
Nope,
that
sounds
good.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
all
right,
commissioner
corman.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
miss
barney
this.
This
sounds
like
pretty
interesting
and
it
looks
like
a
very
exciting
partnership
between
the
two
cities
and
so
something
to
look
forward
to
as
it
continues
to
develop.
But
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Since
you
talk
about
creativity,
and
you
know
those
type
of
opportunities
that
this
project
brings
so
does
this
project
include
any
type
of
partnership
with
school
districts.
L
Mr
chair,
commissioner
corman,
so
we
did
do
some
outreach
to
the
school
district
and
particularly
to
try
to
get
them
to
participate
in
the
make
them
aware
of
and
invite
them
to
participate
in
the
workshop.
L
But
again,
this
project
is
really
kind
of
centered
around
a
week-long
workshop
so
that
it
isn't
like
a
year-long
kind
of
effort
where
we
have
the
the
time
to
to
do
all
that
kind
of
outreach.
But
that
said,
I
think
that
certainly
these
ideas
and
and
as
they
move
forward
from
I
mean
this
plan,
will
be
kind
of
an
idea
plan
as
it
moves
forward
into
implementation.
I
think
involving
the
school
district
and
and
others
again,
some
of
the
outreach
we
tried
to
do.
I
know
we
we
sent.
L
We
did
direct
mail
to
to
folks.
We
had
flyers
that
we
hand
walked
around
to
businesses.
I
know
the
co-ed
staff
here.
The
community
outreach
and
engagement
staff
here
was
in
contact
with
the
school
folks
from
the
school
district,
as
well
as
the
some
of
the
bipark
partners
that
they
work
with.
Just
to
let
them
know,
there's
the
assumption
church
in
in
ridgefield
is
is
in
the
larger
study
area.
L
So
I
know
we
we
try
to
make
people
aware
of
this
project
and
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
I.
I
don't
know
if
we,
you
know
the
online
engagement
tools
just
closed
down
yesterday
and
I
have
not
been
in
touch
with
the
consultant
to
find
out.
L
You
know
if,
if
they
were
able
to
like
look
at
who
responded
and
and
kind
of
categorize
it,
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
you
know
if
they
could
say
well,
these
folks
were
from
the
school
district,
or
these
folks
were
from
you
know,
representing
a
certain
group
or
whatnot.
I'm
not
sure
that
they'll
be
able
to
aggregate
it
in
that
way,
but
certainly
we
will
be
getting
a
summary
of
the
input
that
we
received
from
those
online
engagement
over
the
last
month.
So
but
but
this
is
the
start,
this
isn't
the
finish.
L
A
All
right
looks
like
commissioner
cook
don.
You
have
some
additional
comments.
C
C
So
the
the
first
thing
just
to
point
out
that
the
consultant
that's
working
for
the
cnu,
the
congress
for
new
urbanism
they're
working
in
a
bit
of
a
vacuum
in
a
sense
that
they
don't
have
the
I
hate
to
use
the
word
holistic
view
that
our
city
staff
does,
and
so,
when
they're
proposing
these
things,
they
they
sound
a
lot
like
what's
being
proposed
on
lindell
and
that's
not
necessarily
good
or
bad.
C
But
I
would
encourage
staff
to
as
they
work
with
the
consultants
to
make
sure
we're
bringing
in
the
the
view
of
the
entire
city
as
it
relates
to
what's
happening
here
and
that
we're
not
taking
anything
away
from
lindale
or
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that.
And
it's
not
the
consultant's
faults.
They
are
being
asked
to
work
in
a
vacuum,
but
I
I
hope
our
city
staff
is
bringing
the
lens
of
the
entire
city
view.
City
plan,
as
they
work
through
this
process,.
C
Another
comment
that
was
brought
up
by
commissioner
solberg
and
also,
I
believe,
commissioner
opty
touched
on
it-
was
the
existing
commercial,
the
existing
commercial
uses
that
are
happening
here
and
that
those
could
possibly
be
redeveloped
or
proactively
rezoned
to
residential
and
whether
that
is
or
is
not
appropriate
and
I'm
not
a
city
planner,
and
so
I
trust
these
staff
judgment
on
what
ultimately
happens
here.
But
you
know
I
it
just
got
my
mind
going
that
in
bloomington
we
have
protected
industrial
and
we
also
have
an
interest
in
protected,
affordable
housing.
C
Maybe
we
need
to
think
about
protected
commercial.
You
know
we
talked
about
the
mom
and
pop
shops.
We
talked
about
that
could
possibly
be
phased
out
with
redevelopment.
Maybe
we
need
to
think
of
along
the
lines
of
protected
commercial
as
a
guy
that
orders
way
too
much.
Takeout
pizza,
I'm
in
this
neighborhood
a
lot,
and
I
would
hate
to
see
that
go
away.
C
So
that's
something
to
think
about
and
related
to
that,
as
commissioner
solberg
said,
perhaps
perhaps
residential
is
not
appropriate
for
this
neighborhood
and
maybe
it
is-
and
maybe
it
isn't,
but
again
as
this
as
our
city
staff
works
with
its
consultants
and
provides
that
wider
view
of
our
city
in
the
context
of
the
study.
C
Maybe
there
are
some
areas
in
our
city
that
are
appropriate
for
residential
and
there
are
some
areas
of
varsity
that
are
not
appropriate
for
residential,
and
so,
although
residential
is
good
in
a
vacuum,
perhaps
when
we
look
at
this
in
the
lens
of
our
entire
city,
it's
not
appropriate
here
and
again,
I'm
not
a
city
planner,
and
I
don't
know
that.
But
I
would
ask
that
city
staff
makes
that
consideration
as
they
work
with
the
consultants
and
my
last
thought
here
as
it
relates
to
naturally
affordable
housing.
C
K
C
And
so,
if
a
very
low
density
group
of
naturally
affordable,
naturally
affordable
housing
could
be
redeveloped
into
something
that's
much
more
dense
but
replace
that
number
of
units
into
a
larger
mixed
use
or
larger
residential
development
that
matches
that
number
of
affordable
housing
units.
I
think
that's
actually
a
positive
and
not
a
negative,
and
although,
as
I
asked
this
farm
earlier,
we're
not
preventing
redevelopment
of
noaa
housing
and
we
can't,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
necessarily
dissuade
it.
And
again.
Maybe
I
disagree
with
the
oh
on
this.
C
But
if
we
could,
you
know,
see
an
end
result
that
matches
the
same
amount
same
number
of
units
that
we
had
previously,
but
we've
densified
it
and
have
something,
that's
new
and
could
spur
further
developments
because
you
have
new
housing
there.
I
think
that's
a
win,
and
so
I
would
hate
to
see
this
effort
in
any
way
dissuade
redevelopment
that
could
meet
what
our
end
goals
may
be
perhaps
really
are-
and
I
guess
perhaps
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
I
I
but
other
than
that.
B
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
cook
done
miss
barnum.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
any
of
those.
L
Maybe
just
a
little
bit
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
commissioner
hook
done
so.
With
regard
to
the
the
consultant
working
in
a
vacuum,
I
mean
yeah,
I
suppose,
to
a
certain
extent,
they
are
just
by
nature
of
this
sort
of
a
project
where
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
short
romance
right.
Where
we
get
we
get
paired
up
with
somebody,
and
it's
really
focused
around
this
one
week,
design
charette.
L
We
actually
had
a
pretty
good
in
part
because
it
was
delayed,
but
this
consultant
came
out
for
a
recon
visit
back
in
2019
and
during
that
time
we
had
two
full
days
of
of
meetings.
We
had
a
meet
and
greet
with
city
council
staff.
We
had
meetings
with
the
various
agencies,
so
they
got
the
whole
lowdown
on
the
mndot
project
on
the
metro
transit
project,
so
they
got
smart,
pretty
fast
and
and
then
we
also
met
with
we
had
a
fairly
large
internal
staff
team
involved
in
in
those
meetings.
L
Then,
because
this
mndot
project
is
kind
of
the
gorilla
in
the
room
last
fall,
we
had
a
series
of
of
some
just
virtual
meetings
that
included
mndot,
as
well
as
the
consultant
and
staff
from
the
both
both
of
the
cities.
Where
we're
talking
about
this,
because
you
know
the
changes
are
the
roadway
changes
are
going
to
be
probably
the
the
big
significant
impact
to
this
area.
L
This
consultant
has
actually
had
a
fair
amount
of
of
input,
but
I
I
I
appreciate
the
the
idea
that
yeah
we
we
always
have
to
think
in
terms
of
our
or
that
you
always
run
the
risk
of
of
the
consultant
as
being
an
outsider
coming
in,
and
they
don't
have
the
knowledge
that
the
insider
the
staff
does,
but,
but
we
do
work
in
in
tandem
with
them
and
as
I
was
saying
you
know,
the
recommendations
are
recommendations
that
you
know.
L
Staff
is
the
one
who
carries
the
water
on
implementing
its
staff
and
and
planning
commission
recommendations.
City
council
recommendations
are
what
implement
it,
and
so
that
clearly,
is
the
the
local
lens
on
it.
So
so
there
is
there
is
that
and
in
terms
of
yeah,
a
lot
of
these
ideas
are
very
similar
to
to
what
you're
seeing
on
lindale.
L
That's
because
it's
a
very
similar
situation,
it's
just
a
different
location,
but
what
we're
talking
about
is
50s
and
60s
development
and
and
redeveloping
it
and
trying
to
make
it
more
less,
auto
oriented
and
more
pedestrian
origin,
so
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
the
same
kinds
of
kinds
of
things,
but
but
the
the
devils
and
the
details
of
the
application
in
that
particular
context.
L
Let's
see
what
else
did
I
want
to?
I
mean
interesting
idea
about
the
protected
commercial
and
I
think
you
know.
Obviously
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
the
protected
industrial
is
a
pretty
pretty
high
level
sort
of
blanket
kind
of
designation
protect
protected
commercial.
I
mean
we
don't
through
zoning,
we
allow
different
kinds
of
uses,
but
but
it's
really
tricky
to
try
to.
L
I
mean
I
mentioned
earlier
this
whole
thing
about
displacement
and
trying
to
minimize
displacement.
That
is,
you
know,
unwanted,
and
how
can
we?
How
can
we
do
that?
L
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
businesses
come
and
go,
and
we
don't
have
you
know
the
zoning
code
doesn't
control
that
the
zoning
code
by
offering
more
flexibility
and
a
range
of
uses,
as
opposed
to
being
you
know,
a
very
narrow
range
of
uses
gives
you
the
most
flexibility
and-
and
certainly
you
know,
through
the
zoning
we
can
buy
our
different
zoning
districts.
For
instance,
b2
is
more
neighborhood
sized
neighborhood
scaled
as
opposed
to
the
fd2,
which
is
very
much
big
box
oriented.
L
So
so
there
are
some
things
we
can
do
through
zoning
to
kind
of
get
at
that
scale,
but
in
terms
of
uses-
and
certainly
there
are
some
use
differences
as
well,
but
but
we
we
can't
necessarily
say
in
the
zoning
ordinance
that
you
need
to
be
locally
owned.
You
can't
be
a
national
chain,
you
know,
that's,
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
authority
in
in
a
zoning
code,
so.
L
So
anyway,
the
protected
commercial
it'd
be
interesting
to
to
see.
If
there
are
any
tools
again,
I
think
it
gets
down
to
this
whole
idea
of
displacement
or-
or
you
know,
the
flip
side
of
that
is
kind
of
some
of
those
ideas
that
came
out
of
lindell
is
to
work
with
your
local
businesses
and
trying
to
get
really
being
more
proactive
in
terms
of
small
business
development.
In
the
city
I
mean,
I
think,
minneapolis
and
st
paul.
The
bigger
cities
tend
to
do
that.
L
Bloomington
is
kind
of
just
starting
to
get
into
that
sort
of
arena,
but
but
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
where
you
know
trying
to
play:
matchmaker
between
the
spaces
that
we
have
available
and
and
some
tenants,
you
know
if
there's
incubator
space,
for
instance,
or
small
startups
or
mom
and
pops
and
trying
to
play
matchmaker,
I
mean
those
are
some
some
things
and
other
cities
have
done
it
mostly
bigger
cities.
L
Do
that
kind
of
stuff
and
we're
just
getting
to
that
point
of
redevelopment
where
those
sorts
of
activities
are
maybe
things
that
we
need
to
start
looking
at
so
anyway.
I
appreciate
all
your
insights.
Your
good,
your
good
observations
and
and
suggestions,
so
thank
you.
A
All
right,
commissioner
abdi,
you
have
some
additional
comments.
F
I
believe
staff
is
the
same
staff
that
presented
us
the
lindell
corridor
plan.
I
believe
julia,
correct
julie.
Excuse
me
yeah,
that's
correct,
I
guess
for
folks
who
might
be
familiar
with
that
plan,
and
this
is
a
much
much
smaller
corridor
and
focused
area.
At
least
the
site
area
is
much
smaller
than
the
the
lindell
plan
vision
site.
F
Some
of
the
changes
that
you
might
be
thinking
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
you
know
most
of
the
changes
are
going
to
be
on
the
public
side,
whether
it's
street
improvements
or
you
know,
aestheticness,
maybe
not
so
much
on
their
real
estate
or
uses
at
this
time,
or
what
are
things
that
are
the
city
is
implementing
sooner
than
later,
maybe
is
how
I'm
trying
to
process
my
thought
process
here.
F
F
If
bloomington
goes
in
one
route
or
I
guess
my
question
is:
would
the
focused
area
developed
in
a
way
that's
consistent
with
whatever
that
vision
is
if
both
cities
accepted
or
adopted
it
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
I
guess
it's
unique
because
it's
two
different
city
entities,
each
city
has
a
different.
You
know
visioning
and
policy
and
funding
and
timeline.
F
You
know
what
does
bloomington
control
in
this
visioning
that
we
are
presented
with
today.
Can
we
you
know
if
we're
to
move
forward
with
certain
projects,
say
the
toy
store,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
you
know,
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
issue
with
the
boundary
with
having
two
different
cities
sharing
a
small
visioning
site.
L
L
We
don't
control
richfield
and
they
don't
control
us.
So
there
are
things
that
you
know
like
redevelopment
of
properties
like
the
toy
store
in
in
bloomington.
That's
going
to
be
a
bloomington
issue,
not
a
richfield
issue.
L
However,
things
like
public
improvements
like
to
sidewalks
and
when
mndot
comes
forth,
with
a
more
detailed
design
for
the
changes
to
portland
avenue
and
that
whole
interchange,
you
know
some
of
the
ideas
in
this
plan
could
be
pointed
to
as
ways
to
make
sure
or
ways
to
enhance
the
ped
bike,
environment
and
or
or
kind
of,
compare
to
what
you
know.
Whatever
mndot
comes
out
with
well
geez.
You
know
why?
Don't
you
try
something
more
like
that
showing
in
this
plan?
L
So
in
terms
of
how
does
that
work
with
the
richfield
that
you
know
it's,
the
vision
covers
both
sides.
It's
the
same
plan,
their
their
council
will
review
the
same
plan
that
our
council
reviews
and
so
and
if
there's
input
from
them,
that
would
get
reflected.
I
mean
we'll
basically
just
work
that
out.
I
guess
I
don't
again,
because
it's
high
level
input
a
high
level
kind
of
concept
plan
and
it's
not
details
like
the
sidewalk
needs
to
be
eight
feet
versus
ten
feet
or
something
like
that.
You
know.
L
I
don't
anticipate
that
we
won't
be
able
to
agree
on
on
the
vision
in
terms
of
the
timeline
for
implementation.
Again,
this
is
a
high
level
sort
of
recommendation.
L
The
implementation
will
depend
on
the
ideas
that
come
out
of
this
plan
will
need
to
be
considered
in
light
of
all
of
the
other
things
that
are
on
the
city's
plate.
The
city
council's
kind
of
expressed
some
concern
about
all
the
things
that
are
on
the
plate
because
you
got
lindale
you've
got.
You
know
things
going
on
in
south
loop
and
there's
there's
lots
of
things
going
on.
So
how
do
we
prioritize
them?
L
And
you
know
I
guess
that's
gonna
be
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
one
of
the
things
that
will
happen
here.
L
My
my
guess
is
that
the
next
step
is
going
to
really
revolve
around
mndot's
plans
because
changes
to
that
interchange
are
going
to
have
some
property
impacts
in
the
area,
and
we
don't
know
exactly
what
those
are
at
this
point
in
time,
because
those
details
aren't
worked
out,
but
so
I
think
that's
going
to
drive
sort
of
the
next,
the
the
next
sort
of
or
when
things
start
to
implement
in
this
area.
L
So
I
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
put
any
more
clarity
on
it.
A
Is
that
does
that
help
commissioner
abdi.
F
Yes,
thank
you
to
steph.
My
thoughts
were
unorganized
and
I'm
still
trying
to
process.
You
know
the
two
different
boundaries
and
what
that
would
look
like
should
you
know
bloomington
go
all
boom
and
you
know
we
go
crazy
with
development
needs.
You
know,
and
I
believe,
as
maybe,
if
I'm
hearing
it
correctly,
the
portland
street
is
not
a
city
street.
F
It's
a
county
street
correct
and
therefore
the
changes
to
that
quarter,
whatever
that
may
be
is
outside
of
city
approval,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
city
recon
road
reconfiguration
would
look
like
buddy.
I
appreciate
the
answer
and
I'm
still
processing
then-
and
this
is
not
possibly
the
last
we'll
see
of
this
plan-
is
that
correct?
Will
this
come
back
to
the
commission
again,
or
would
this
be
the
final
time
we'll
see
it.
L
Yeah,
mr
chair
commissioner
abdi
so
the
consultant
will
be
pulling
together
the
the
final
draft,
we're
having
a
joint
informational
meeting
with
the
two
city
councils
in
on
april
21st,
and
then
they
will
finalize
the
draft.
So
by
the
end
of
may,
the
the
draft
will
be
finalized
and
then
we'll
we'll
schedule.
Public
hearing.
L
L
And
then
it'll
be
then
the
plan
will
be
completed.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
barnum,
commissioner
goldsman.
E
Thanks,
mr
chair,
just
taking
a
step
back,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about.
You
know
the
mndot
plan.
Can
you
just
give
me
a
high
level?
You
know
30
000
foot
view
of
what
that
project
is
the
timeline
and
what
places
or
city
or
what
streets
are
involved.
L
L
So
she
can
come
in
and
save
me
if,
if
need
be,
but
so
this
mndot
project
is
this
corridors
of
commerce
projects
been
going
on
for
a
couple
years,
they're
looking
at
really
the
whole
stretch
from
169
all
the
way
down
to
77,
but
the
main
focus
is
on
improving
the
traffic
flow
and
whatnot
at
the
the
main
interchange
of
35w
and
494..
L
There's
different
components
to
it:
there's
the
men
pass
lane
and
and
this
and
that
but
they've
been
going
through
a
whole
kind
of
like
the
environmental
review
process,
where
they
look
at
different
alternatives
and
they've
narrowed
things
down,
and
you
know
they
looked
at
different
kinds
of
things
on
this
east
stretch
between
35
and
cedar,
and
what
they've
arrived
at
as
kind
of
the
preferred
approach
is
to
make
make
portland
keep
portland
as
but
make
it
the
main
interchange
so
because,
right
now,
the
the
interchanges
aren't
spaced
according
to
desirable,
spacing
they're
too
close
together
so
because
you've
got
one
at
nicolette.
L
L
Exit
or
the
interchange
at
portland
there
will
still
be
one
at
lindale,
but
also
then
at
portland
and
then
down
at
at
at
77
and
close
off
the
access
points,
the
interchanges
at
nicolette
and
12th
and
make
those
two
streets
a
little
bit
more
just
more
of
a
normal
street
that
crosses
over
between
the
two
cities.
L
So
the
bridges
will
still
be
there,
but
there
there
won't
be
access
points
to
and
from
the
freeway
at
that
point
in
time,
so
that
it
provides
an
opportunity
for
those
stretches
of
roadway
those
reconstructed
bridges
to
be
designed
in
a
way
that
provides
for
better
pedestrian
bike
facilities,
because
you're
not
having
this
entrance
exit
from
the
freeway
that
you
have
to
accommodate
on
on
those.
L
The
flip
side
of
that
is
that
it's
all
going
to
happen
now
at
at
portland.
Well,
not
all
because
people
are
still
going
to
be
able
to
go
to
glendale
and
and
77,
but
still
it's
focused
more
on
portland
and
and
so,
but
mndot
has
said
that
they
are
committed
to
making
this
new
interchange
at
portland,
more
pedestrian,
friendly,
more
bike
friendly
more
multimodal.
L
At
this
point.
In
time,
they're
very
early
in
in
this
process-
and
you
know,
funding
is
always
an
issue,
but
you
have
to
go
through
this
whole
planning
process
and
then
you've
got
to
get
funding
for
it,
and
I
know
that
they've
applied
for
some
some
grant
funding,
but
the
first
order
of
business
is
to
take
care
of
the
main
intersection,
interchange
at
35
and
and
494,
and
then
kind
of
look
at
the
portland
piece
of
it.
Although
I
think
that's
all
considered
part
of
project
number
one
or
whatever
they're
calling
it.
L
But
again
the
focus
is
on
the
main,
interchange
but
that'll
result
in
improvements
at
portland
and
closure
of
nicolette
and
12th.
So
I
don't
know
julie.
If
there's
anything,
you
could
add
to
provide
a
little
more
clarity
around.
E
That
sure,
as
julie
was
saying,
mndot
is
getting
to.
For
the
last
two
years,
we've
been
working
on
the
visioning
of
the
project
and
now
they're
starting
to
look
at
the
actual
first
project
out
of
the
gate.
It's
called
project
one
and
it
looks
at
the
access
conduct,
consolidation
in
this
area
at
portland,
12th
and
nicklett.
It
also
includes
the
interchange
at
35w
and
the
necessary.
E
Frontage
road
adjustments
to
build
a
min
pass
lane
over
to
highway
100,
so
the
first
listening
sessions
that
mndot
has
having
starts
next
thursday
on
april
1st,
it's
for
the
france
avenue
area.
Then
there
are
two
more
the
following
week
april:
7th
and
8th,
or
6th
and
7th
it'll
be
posted
soon.
One
of
those
includes
this
area,
so
we're
trying
to
get
resident
feedback
and
public
input
on
what
the
proposed
changes
are
at
12th
niclet
in
portland,
like
julie,
has
indicated.
E
The
12th
and
nicklet
will
no
longer
have
freeway
access,
so
we
are
looking
at
doing
more
pedestrian
and
bike
facilities.
There
we're
also
looking
at
improving
the
portland
crossing,
and
it
also
includes
a
new
pedestrian
bridge
at
chicago.
E
So
we
recognize
that
this
area
needs
more
crossings,
so
we're
looking
at
that
we
don't
have
all
of
the
details
worked
out.
Like
I
said,
mndot's
looking
at
doing
a
series
of
listening
sessions
in
the
next
two
weeks,
then
in
the
last
week
of
april
they
will
be
doing
more
listening
sessions
to
say:
hey
we
heard
this.
Can
you
check
us?
This
is
what
we
think
we
heard.
This
is
what
we're
proposing.
E
Is
this
correct
or
not,
and
then
in
may
we
will
be
coming
back
to
or
not
back
to
you
but
we'll
be
coming
to
planning
commission
with
what
project
one
is
and
then
also
to
city
council
just
to
get
your
your
feedback
as
well
right
now,
our
schedule
is
a
little
compressed
and
we're
a
little
behind,
but
we're
hoping
to
start
construction
in
2023
or
2024.
If
we
miss
it
and
it
will
be
it'll
it'll
disrupt
the
area,
but
it
will
be
a
really
good
improvement
for
the
area.
E
As
julie
mentioned,
funding
is
always
an
issue.
E
As
chair
solberg
knows,
mndot
has
applied
for
infra
grant
to
help
fund
parts
of
project
one
and
also
project
two
which
nobody's
really
all
that
interested
in,
except
for
it's,
the
railroad
bridge
across
494
and
it
causes
impact
and
doesn't
allow
us
to
move
on
to
the
next
phases
of
the
project.
So
does
that
answer
your
questions?
Commission,
commissioners?
E
A
You
did
a
good
job
of
explaining
it
to
julie,
appreciate
that
commissioner
cookton,
you
have
some
additional
comments
or
questions.
C
I
just
have
one
question,
commissioner:
you
got
my
head
going
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
from
his
farm
or
possibly
mr
mark
regard.
Our
city
council
has
joined
meetings
with
the
city
of
richfield
city
council.
Has
there
ever
been
a
joint
meeting
of
the
planning
commission
of
us
in
another
city?
Mr.
B
Yeah,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
we've
had
several
joint
meetings
over
the
years,
usually
richfield,
ethina
and
bloomington
the
three
cities
and
kind
of
in
a
study,
meeting
format,
comparing
notes
on
development
projects
and
also
kind
of
approaches
on
on
meetings.
B
It's
been
a
couple
years
since
we've
had
one
now,
and
you
know
in
the
virtual
times
it's
a
little
bit
more
difficult,
but
I
think
something
we
should
look
at
reestablishing
going
forward.
All
right.
A
All
right,
commissioners,
any
further
discussion
comments,
guidance
for
miss
barnum.
A
That
was
a
a
very
good
discussion,
appreciate
the
overview,
ms
barnum,
and
we're
looking
forward
to
seeing
this
final
plan
coming
out
of
cnu.
A
All
right
that
at
this
point
that
concludes
our
standard
or
our
regular
items
for
the
march
25th
2021
planning,
commission.
A
We
have
no
further
items
and
with
that
we'll
conclude
the
meeting
tonight,
thank
you
and
if
commissioners
can
hang
on
for
just
a
minute,
we'll
break
and
have
a
quick
overview
of
upcoming.