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September 14, 2023 Bloomington Minnesota Planning Commission Meeting
0:00:00 Start
0:03:40 ITEM 1 PL2023-131
(public hearing) Minnesota Education Trust (owner)
Bloomington Daycare Center (user)
Conditional Use Permit for a daycare center in an existing place of assembly located at 8932 Old Cedar Ave S
0:22:01 ITEM 2 PL2023-134
(public hearing) Juno Investments LLC (owner)
Ernie Rose Golf (user)
Conditional use permits for an indoor recreation and entertainment facility and restaurant at 7807 Creekridge Circle.
0:39:02 ITEM 3 City of Bloomington
(public hearing) Neighborhood Traffic Management Plan
1:44:10 ITEM 4 City of Bloomington
(study item) Update on Pavement Management Program and Transportation Component of Capital Improvement Plan
2:22:10 ITEM 5 City of Bloomington
(study item) Planning Commission Policy and Issues Update
A
A
A
And
welcome
to
the
September
14th
meeting
of
the
Bloomington
Planning
Commission,
the
Planning
Commission
is
made
up
of
seven
volunteer,
blooming
residents
appointed
by
the
city
council.
Tonight
we
have
six,
which
is
a
quorum.
The
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals,
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues.
Our
work
is
informed
by
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
various
District
plans
and
the
city
code
for
some
items.
The
commission
makes
a
recommendation
with
the
city
council
having
final
decision-making
Authority.
We
have
one
of
those
items
tonight.
A
In
other
cases,
the
Planning
Commission
can
approve
or
deny
an
application
subject
to
an
appeal
to
the
city
council,
and
there
are
two
of
those
items
tonight
for
each
action
item.
There
will
be
a
staff
report,
an
opportunity
for
the
applicant
to
present
and
then
time
for
any
member
of
the
public
to
provide
testimony.
B
C
C
Well,
I
won't
share
the
phone
numbers
here,
but
any
member
of
the
public
will
be
able
to
testify
during
the
public
hearings.
Public
comment
opportunity
here
in
the
chambers
and
if
you're
watching
from
home,
you
can
testify
from
home
as
well.
What
you
will
do
is
call
the
number
that
we
will
have
displayed
on
the
screen,
there's
via
phone
number
and
then
an
access
code
and
then
a
passcode
and
just
enter
that
in
and
you'll
be
able
to
testify,
just
as
if
you're
in
the
chambers.
Thank
you.
A
D
D
D
As
far
as
parking
is
concerned,
24
parking
spaces
are
required
and
there
are
35
that
are
provided.
These
numbers
do
leave
flexibility
in
the
future
for
an
expansion
of
the
number
of
children.
That's
why
there
is
a
condition
that
says
if
there
is
an
increase
to
the
number
of
children,
it
will
be
approved
by
the
planning
manager.
D
D
D
You
can
also
see
from
the
property
outlined
in
red
that,
on
the
18th
Avenue
side,
the
property
shares
two
entrances,
so
we're
asking
that
easements
be
filed
for
the
shared
access
locations
just
in
case
in
the
future.
Anything
happens
in
the
North
or
South
property
were
to
want
to
fence
off
their
property,
or
do
anything
that
would
no
longer
allow
8932
to
use
those
two
entrances.
A
D
C
A
C
E
D
F
Commissioner
Curry
thank
you
chair,
so
my
understanding
is,
there
might
be
final
site
and
building
plan
requirements
to
build
out
the
playground.
At
some
point,
are
there
approvals
required?
It
sounds
like
you
know.
The
current
plans
are
to
operate
until
potentially
9
pm
on
Saturday
and
Sunday,
but
could
be
until
midnight.
Are
there
any
approvals
required
to
change
the
hours
of
operation.
D
A
G
Okay,
my
name
is
Tia
Richmond
and
I
am
representing
the
client
as
far
as
the
playground
goes.
That
is
a
future
desire.
There's
nothing
in
place
now
to
build
it
out,
and
at
that
point
we
would
research
any
codes
that
were
applicable
to
having
the
the
you
know
the
the
playground
there.
There
is
a
fence
currently
that
divides
the
daycare
property
from
the
speedway.
That's
there.
So
there
is
a.
There
is
a
barrier
there
already
I
believe
it's
six
to
eight
feet.
Tall
I
didn't
actually
measure
it.
G
So
there
is
privacy
and
there
is
a
barrier
already,
and
you
know,
as
far
as
the
pickup
and
drop
off
goes,
there
is
a
sidewalk
on
the
18th
Avenue
side
of
the
daycare
building
and
then
on
the
North
side.
So
people
can
drive
in
from
either
side
and
connect
up
with
a
sidewalk
to
the
front
entrance
and
then
make
a
loop
around,
so
you
aren't
driving
into
a
dead
end.
So
there
is
a
there.
Is
a
traffic
flow
there
that
shouldn't
impede
anybody
that
might
be
we're.
H
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Oh
oh
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
Lafayette,
Butler,
Robinson
I'm,
one
of
the
people
at
this
site.
Just
to
give
you
more
definition
for
parking,
so
you
can
better
understanding
the
flow
of
traffic
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
on
the
18th
Avenue
site
that
will
is
designated
for
staff
parking.
I
So
that's
entrance,
that's
where
staff
will
come
in
and
out
to
get
into
the
building,
we're
looking
for
our
parents
to
come
in
the
front
so
that
those
front
spaces
will
be
available
for
them
to
drop
off
and
pick
up
their
children
where
the
staff
cards
are
not
intermingled
in
in
those
spots.
So
there
can
be
an
easier
flow
of
service
for
the
families
to
come
out
and
the
other
where
you
were
saying.
As
far
as
like
she
said
for
the
playground
area,
we
are
looking
into
doing
that.
I
Not
at
this
moment
to
add
in
the
playground
is
not
going
to
be
that
big
of
an
area
because
that
grass
area,
as
you
can
see
in
the
picture,
is
not
that
big
of
a
space.
So
when
we
say
playground,
it's
not
going
to
be
like
what
you
will
see
at
your
Parks.
You
know
like
a
big
climbing
slide
kind
of
thing,
it's
more
so
of
more
movable
structure,
so
like
Little
Tikes
in
those
kind
of
portable
types
of
playground
pieces
that
would
be
out
there
when
we
say
playground.
I
As
far
as
when
it
comes
to
saying
I
can't
remember
which
one
you
guys
had
stated
if
they
decide
to
block
off
that
entrance
where
we
can't
get
in,
we
have
that
Mutual
shared
driveway
on
that
side
and
we're
working
to
figure
out
the
driveway
where
the
gas
station
is
at
so
we're
trying
to
locate
the
papers.
Basically,
no
one
knows
where
those
are
at
but
go
City
So
yeah.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
I
So
no
we,
the
playground,
would
not
be
used
at
night
time.
It
will
be
during
daytime
hours.
So
if
we
were
currently
in
operation
there,
kids
will
be
able
to
go
outside
up
until
the
sun
goes
down
so
right
now
the
sun
goes
down
around
7
30
8
o'clock,
so
they
still
have
the
opportunity
to
go
outside
and
play.
So
whatever
the
weather
dictates,
let
Sun
action
outside
will
determine
what
time
our
staff
will
take
the
children
outside.
I
So
if
it's
in
the
summertime,
nine
o'clock
8
30
9
o'clock,
we
still
have
Sun,
so
it's
a
high
possibility
that
they
might
be
outside
still
playing,
but
a
lot
of
our
children
will
probably
be
out
of
the
building.
So
majority
of
the
time
for
playground,
activities
will
probably
be
by
them
by
8
o'clock,
P.M
so
give
or
take.
I
What
we
are
hoping
to
do
once
we
can
figure
out
who
we
can
talk
to
with
at
the
gas
station
and
make
a
some
type
of
agreement
with
them,
is
to
put
some
temporary
barriers,
like
some
cones
portable
Combs,
to
divide
that
section
of
the
playground
of
the
parking
lot
in
the
back.
Providing
our
licenser
will
agree
to
us
doing
that,
just
as
outside
time
and
blocking
that
part
of
the
daycare
off
in
the
back
on
the
18th
Avenue
side
and
placing
those
barriers.
I
So
then
that
way,
there's
no
cars
driving
in
that
area,
just
to
give
them
some
time
to
play
where
they
can
have
little
bikes
and
jump
ropes,
basketball,
hoops,
something
that's
temporary,
just
for
them
to
be
in
that
area.
There
is
a
park,
but
the
park
is
a
little
bit
of
a
distance
in
Walking
for
the
children
to
go
there,
so
we're
just
going
to
improvise.
I
A
A
A
J
F
K
Commissioner
cookton
thank
you
Mr
chair,
you
know
I,
think
in
this
case
it
might
be
one
of
these
or
it
looks
a
little
worse
on
paper
than
it
actually
is.
If
I
pull
up
Google
Street
View
here,
there's
a
pretty
significant
fence
between
the
service
station
and
the
daycare
and
I
don't
have
concerns,
and
our
staff
has
looked
at
this
from
a
safety
perspective
and
they're
okay
with
it
so
I'm,
okay
with
it
overall
I
think
this
is
a
good
use
and
I'll
be
supportive.
A
A
I
had
a
question
so
do
I
do
I
personally
like
the
idea
of
a
playground
that
close
no,
but
we
don't
have
anything
that
says
you
can't
and
we
don't
have
anything
that
says
that
that's
unacceptable
for
any
use
and
so
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it
from
that
particular
that
was
where
I
raised.
My
question,
like
others
I
like
the
ReUse
of
this
I,
really
also
like
that
it's
an
opportunity
for
child
care
with
extended
hours.
E
J
A
You
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
daycare
at
the
subject
property
any
further
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
opposed
the
motion
passes.
This
is
a
final
decision
making
by
the
Planning
Commission
unless
an
appeal
is
received
at
City
Hall
by
4
30
pm
on
September
19th.
Thank
you.
A
L
L
Here's
an
aerial
of
the
the
office
building,
it's
a
three-story
office
building.
It
has
two
levels
of
structured
parking.
There's
a
you
can
see
a
one
entrance
you'll
see
an
entrance
to
one
of
the
levels
of
Structure
Parking
on
the
North
End
and
then
there's
another
one
on
the
south
along
the
south
building
elevation.
L
L
L
The
third
floor,
which
is
office
today,
would
remain
so
so
the
the
conditional
use
permits
or
the
the
use
of
that
space
isn't
proposed
to
change
at
all
and
I
stole
some
images
from
Mr
Rose's
website.
Just
to
give
you
a
visual
of
of
what
we're
what
we're
thinking,
what
we're
talking
about
here
each
one
of
these
golf
simulator
pods,
represents
one
simulator
and
then
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
have
23
total
between
the
first
and
the
second
floor.
L
Foreign,
the
floor
plans
are
important
here,
especially
when
we
have
some
uses
like
indoor,
Recreation
entertainment
as
well
as
restaurants,
because
we
have
limitations
on
the
the
proportion
of
these
uses
can
have
within
about
within
a
building.
So
the
it's
an
office
building,
it's
owned
for
office
uses,
so
there
is
a
limitation
on
a
restaurant
or
there
is
a
limitation
on
like
an
indoor
recreational
entertainment
use
like
the
golf
simulators.
L
So
that's
why
we
did
have
to
measure
and
make
sure
that
we're
within
those
allowances
and
the
applicant
is
the
application
is
within
the
allowances
for
a
limited
use.
But
you
can
see
on
the
this
is
the
first
floor.
There's
a
common
shared
area
when
you,
when
you
come
into
the
building,
but
then
you
can
see
the
restaurant
use
bar
the
tables
and
chairs
some
of
the
golf
simulator
simulators
and
also
some
of
the
office
uses.
L
So
it
is,
it
is
a
unique,
a
proposal
where
there
would
be
office
uses
available
for
people
working
and
then
it
would
be
very
easy
for
them
to
stop
working
and
then
jump
in
a
golf
simulator.
So
this
is
a.
This
is
a
unique
proposal,
and
you
know
the
the
applicant
is
very
confident
that
these
can
these
can
co-mingle
and
coexist.
L
As
you
can
imagine
there,
the
city
code
has
a
Litany
of
parking
requirements
for
big
for
different
uses,
but
golf
simulator
is
now
one
of
them.
So
when
we
run
into
these
situations
we
have
to
make
we
have
to
research
and
use
our
best
judgment
on
what
we
think
is
an
appropriate
and
appropriate
standard.
L
There's
we
can
look
at
different
communities,
there's
also
manuals
like
ite
that
has
some
parking
standards,
but
unless,
where
we
ended
up
was
to
recommend
requiring
two
stalls
per
simulator,
so
that's
an
isolation
of
the
office
and
the
restaurant.
In
reality,
these
things
are
kind
of
mixed
up
and
co-mingled,
and
it
there
there's
absolutely
going
to
be
some
shared
parking
element
to
this.
But
when
we
did
the
calculation
it
turned
out
that
there
were,
there
really
seems
to
be
adequate
more
than
adequate
on-site
parking
Supply,
based
on
that
two
stalls
per
simulator
standard.
L
There's
also
the
seats
for
the
restaurant,
which
has
a
separate
23
style
requirement,
and
then
the
render
of
the
office
building,
which
has
yet
another
standard.
So
we'll
add
this
all
up:
it
does
fall
just
below
the
the
supply
of
168
stalls.
So
we
didn't,
we
didn't,
require
or
think
it
was
necessary
to
do
like
a
shared
parking
analysis
based
on
this
mix
of
uses
and
we're
comfortable
with
the
supply
that's
on
site.
E
You
Jeff
chair,
one
question:
I
had
for
staff
is
I
was
looking
through.
The
packet
and
I
saw
your
notification
ring,
and
one
question
I
had
is
I
see
that
there
are
single
family
homes
to
the
north
of
this
property
and
they
were
outside
of
the
notification
ring.
Were
they
notified
and
if
not,
what
types
of
notifications
do
we
require?
I
know
that
that's
technically
Dinah.
L
Yeah
chair
room
and
commissioner
goldsman
so
I'm
not
mistaken
I,
don't
they
probably
did
not
get
a
mailed
notice?
It's
outside
the
municipal
boundary
there.
We
do
publish
a
notice
in
the
sun
current
if
people
pay
attention
to
the
sun
current
and
the
Public
Notices
that
are
in
there.
So
there
was.
We
just
follow
our
code
in
terms
of
notifying
adjacent
Property
Owners.
There
really
aren't
that
many
in
this
case
the
city
is
one
MnDOT.
L
Doesn't
you
know
it's
male
unless
there's
a
distinct
property
but
based
on
MnDOT
right-of-way,
we
wouldn't
send
a
notice
there,
then
the
adjacent
office
building,
so
there
were.
There
were
really
only
a
handful
of
folks
that
received
a
notice
and
if
someone
happened
to
be
reading
this
on
current
and
looking
at
those
public
hearing
notices
that
would
have
had
the
information
on
on
tonight's
meeting.
Okay.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
Mr
centenario,
the
two
spots
per
Gulf
Bay.
We
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
That's
probably
conservative.
Let's
say
the
building
order
wants
to
change
some
of
the
usage
in
this
building.
Are
we
tying
our
hands
to
this
two
base
per
unit
thing?
If,
like
can
that
be
reevaluated,
if
necessary,
for
a
future
application.
L
To
everyone,
commissioner,
certainly
it
could
be
reevaluated
based
on
this
conditional
use.
Permit
that
we're
we're
asking
you
to
take
or
make
and
take
action
on
it
would
be
limited
to
23
simulators.
If
the
applicant
wished
to
increase
the
number
of
simulators.
Let's
just
say
the
modify
the
third
floor.
L
It
would
require
a
conditional
use,
permit
revision,
but
then
we're
also
running
into
another
problem
related
to
it
being
a
limited
use,
because
we
have
these
proportions
of
Office
Buildings,
where
we
have
some
limitations
on
these
types
of
uses,
so
they'd
probably
be
running
into
just
a
code
standard
where
there
would
have
to
be
a
code
Amendment
and
that's
a
you
know,
a
broader
application
and
more
discussion
that
we
we
could
consider.
Okay.
L
Chairman
commissioner
I,
don't
believe
so
certainly
to
the
I
believe,
there's
a
barrier
or
friends
from
the
interstate
but
as
I
understand
it,
there
is
some
pretty
significant
slope
to
the
East
and
the
north.
As
you,
you
can
imagine
a
river
valley,
you
slope
down
towards
the
water,
but
in
terms
of
a
barrier
I,
don't
believe,
there's
a
barrier.
M
F
So
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
piece
together
all
the
different
things
that
are
going
on
in
the
space.
So
it
looks
like
there
maybe
are
some
cubes
and
private
offices
is
this.
Is
it
like
an
office
space
that
people
will
be
in
all
the
time
or
is
it
kind
of
part-time
office?
And
then
you'll
go
hit
golf
balls
or
are
they
like
lessons
and
professionals
just
try
to
understand
exactly
how
yeah.
M
K
M
E
M
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
we're
not
planning
on
doing
anything
with
it,
just
keeping
it
exactly
what
it
is
and
I
think
the
they're
doing.
Some
updating
to
that
riverbed
I
think
they're,
you
know
to
somebody's
question,
was
I,
think
they're
updating
a
lot
of
those
trees
along
there,
but
we're
planning
on
keeping
the
the
deck
exactly,
as
is.
H
M
I
hope
somebody
yeah
it's
I,
think
as
the
sellers
are
here
and
I,
think
it's
taken
a
couple
of
years
for
them
to
get
anybody
in
there.
Yeah
I'm
crazy
enough
to
move
in
there
so
but
yeah
I
have
some
businesses
will
put
our
offices
on
I
guess.
The
second
floor
is
maybe
what
you're
talking
about,
but
we're
planning
on
keeping
some
offices
still
there
so
yeah
I,
don't
know
who
it
is
yet
so
so.
A
A
N
Right,
I'm,
Chad,
Anderson,
Just,
a
resident
of
Bloomington
and
just
no
Ernie
through
different
things
and
heard
him
talking
about
this
and
I.
Think
it's
just
a
really
cool
cool
thing
for
Bloomington.
You
know,
update
it
and
get
some
restaurants
and
something
to
do
so
I,
just
I
was
really
excited
just
for
another.
N
Some,
you
know
something
there,
because
I
think
there
was
a
top
goal
for
something
that
wanted
to
go
in
and
that
didn't
work
and
so
I
think
he's
really
trying
hard
to
make
it
fit
within
something
that
will
work
and
just
create
another
good
fun
place
for
people
to
come
to
Bloomington,
you
know
to
to
you,
know,
hang
out
and
stay,
and
so
just
really
excited
about
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
thanks
again
for
all
your
work.
Thank.
A
A
E
Thank
you
chair
just
a
few
things
that
I
wrote
down.
While
we
were
going
through
appreciate
staff
and
the
applicant
working
on
reusing,
a
space
that
you
know
is
on
the
on
the
edges
of
Bloomington,
but
I
I
Envision,
you
know
an
office
space
is,
is
there's
a
lot
of
vacancy
so
being
creative
and
using
a
space
that
in
a
different
way
than
we've
typically
done
so
I
commend
you
for
that.
E
F
A
General,
that's
what
I
heard
staff
mentioned
was
that
our
current
process
does
not
require
obligate
us
to
notify
outside
of
Bloomington
I.
Think
if
I'm
hearing
commissioner
goldsman
right
she's
encouraging
us
to
think
about
being
a
little
bit
more
inclusive
of
that,
even
in
spite
of
it
not
being
our
technical
requirement.
K
Mr
chair
in
case
pl2023-134,
having
been
able
to
make
the
required
findings,
I
moved
to
adopt
a
resolution
approving
conditional
use
permits
for
both
an
indoor,
Recreation
and
entertainment
facility
and
a
restaurant
at
8
at
7807,
Creek,
Ridge,
Circle,
subject
to
the
conditions
and
code
requirements
attached
to
the
staff
report.
Second,.
A
A
The
third
item
is
another.
Is
a
public
comment
opportunity?
This
is
the
city's
neighborhood
traffic
management
plan.
Think
before
commissioner
Curry
joined
us,
but
we
have
had
this
item
month.
This
is
a
study
item
before
so
some
of
these
items,
I
think
were
things
were
brought
before
us
for
feedback,
and
this
is
the
final
plan
that
is
here
for
our
recommendation
to
the
council.
I
think
and
I
will
just
stop
pretending.
I
know
what
I'm
talking
about
and.
Q
Q
There
are
five
main
programs
that
the
neighborhood
traffic
Management
program
will
strengthen
and
integrate.
That
includes
speed
limits
on
local
streets,
the
traffic
calming
request
program,
pavement,
Management
program,
speed,
awareness
program
in
the
neighborhoods
park,
access,
as
recommended
in
the
park
system,
master
plan,
and
all
of
this
is
to
create
a
comprehensive
approach
to
managing
traffic
speeds,
improving
safety
and
increasing
access
for
people
who
walk
bike
and
take
transit.
Q
Q
So
what
we've
heard
so
far
at
these
engagement
opportunities
generally
there's
a
limited
awareness
of
the
existing
traffic
calming
program.
We've
heard
repeatedly
the
importance
of
safety
near
schools
and
we've
also
heard
specific
safety
and
cut
through
traffic
concerns
in
neighborhoods
on
local
streets
as
well
as
non-local
streets.
Q
We've
heard
excitement
from
members
of
the
community
for
the
opportunity
to
make
it
easier
to
request
traffic
combing
and
that
is
kind
of
borne
out
in
in
the
online
survey.
The
second
survey
that
we
conducted
this
spring,
we
asked
a
series
of
questions
to
the
community
and
received
73
unique
responses.
Q
Q
We
also
provided
updates
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council.
This
spring.
We
received
a
lot
of
great
feedback
from
the
commission,
notably
on
the
need
for
additional
data,
lower
speed
limits
in
surrounding
communities,
as
well
as
additional
data
on
implementation
costs,
and
we
heard
generally
support
for
school
zone
speed
limits,
but
with
the
need
for
providing
more
specifics.
Q
So
in
August,
2019,
based
on
state
level
statute,
all
Minnesota
cities
can
set
speed
limits
on
their
streets,
notably
Minneapolis
and
St.
Paul
have
implemented
lower
speed
limits
on
local
streets,
as
well
as
several
cities
such
as
Edina
and
St
Louis
Park,
and
we
want
to
note
that
the
city
of
Richfield
is
currently
studying
speed
limits.
Q
Q
Q
And,
lastly,
we
want
to
set
reasonable
expectations
based
on
the
the
data
that
we've
that
the
city
has
collected
generally,
most
drivers
are
traveling
25
on
average
25
miles
per
hour
on
existing
local
streets,
where
it's
currently
posted
30
miles
per
hour.
So
we
have
considered
20
mile
per
hour
speed
limit,
but
based
on
the
data,
we
do
not
think
that
a
posted
speed
limit
of
20
mile
per
hours
would
have.
You
know
set
reasonable
expectations
and
would
likely
lead
to
a
lot
of
drivers.
M
Q
Q
To
implement
the
lower
the
recommended
lower
speed
limits
on
local
streets,
we've
identified,
strategies
which
are
included
in
our
implementation
plan
and
I'll
briefly
go
through
those
so
in.
In
addition
to
adopting
a
policy
of
25
miles
per
hour,
speed
limits
on
local
streets
and
the
school
zone,
speed
limits
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
we're
recommending
changes
to
the
city,
ordinance
ordinance
that
would
State
the
city's
authority
to
set
speed
limits.
That's
currently.
P
Q
Q
One
of
the
important
strategies
that
we're
recommending
is
educating
the
public
about
the
changes
to
speed
limits.
I
think
we
want
to
recognize
that
100
compliance
with
news,
speed
limits
is
unrealistic,
so
we
think
it's
important
to
lead
with
education
rather
than
enforcement.
So
we
want
to
focus
on
speed
awareness
strategies
that
provide
that
real-time
feedback
that
can
shift
driver
Behavior
and
we
recommend
deploying
Mobile
radar
signs
at
select
locations
throughout
the
city.
Q
We've
identified
costs
associated
with
the
changes
to
the
speed
limit,
and
that
includes
primarily
changes
to
the
signage
plan,
as
well
as
communication
and
education
strategies
funding
sources.
We
recommend
that
the
general
fund
be
used
to
pay
for
Speed
radar
signs,
as
well
as
signage
maintenance
and
replacement.
Q
Q
And
lastly,
we
recommend
that
staff
will
complete
and
present
a
initial
evaluation
of
speed
limit
changes
to
the
city
council
within
three
years
of
implementation
of
the
speed
limit.
Change
in
this
evaluation
would
look
at
changes
to
speeds,
as
well
as
crash
history,
and
also
consider
other
factors.
Q
Q
Q
Q
The
Next
Step
would
be
to
engage
the
community
and
ask
for
for
feedback
to
better
Define
the
issue
and
present
potential
traffic.
Calming
Solutions
with
feedback
from
the
community
staff
would
then
present
the
recommended
traffic
calming
treatment
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
for
their
for
your
approval
in
year.
Two
implementation
of
the
traffic
calming
treatments
would
take
place,
followed
by
evaluation.
Q
Q
As
I
mentioned
before,
we're
recommending
a
prioritization
criteria
that
will
allow
City
staff
to
prioritize
requests
where
community
and
transportation
needs
are
greatest.
So
there's
five
main
criteria
and
it's
generally
weighted
from
top
of
the
slide
downwards
in
the
criteria
in
encompasses
traffic
safety,
as
it
relates
to
pedestrian
and
bicyclists
equity,
Community
destinations
and
number
of
people,
notably
that
criteria
does
not
include
speed.
Speed
data
I
think
we
want
to
point
out
that
not
all
local
streets
have
speed
data
collected,
and
so
in
the
interest
of
being
able
to
prioritize.
Q
Q
General
considerations
for
traffic
calming
options:
they
include
Effectiveness,
so
how
effective
can
a
traffic
calming
treatment,
reduce
speeds,
reduce
the
number
of
crashes
and
reduce
the
severity
of
crashes?
Cost
is
a
very
important
consideration,
not
just
Capital
Construction,
but
also
the
long-term
operations
and
maintenance
of
the
traffic
calming
device.
Q
The
second
tier
of
traffic
calming
options
require
greater
study,
as
they
may
have
impacts
on
a
greater
Street
Network.
We're
recommending
that
these
options
be
paired
with
the
pavement
Management
program
and
funded
through
that
program
and
the
tier
2
traffic.
Calming
options
include
chicanes,
partial
closures,
diverters
as
well
as
chokers
or
pinch
points.
Q
For
the
changes
to
the
traffic
coming
request
program
again,
we've
identified
strategies
that
support
our
recommendations
and
I'll
quickly
go
through
those
in
terms
of
policy
code
and
process
changes.
We're
recommending
removal
of
the
existing
petition
requirement
and
application
fee
to
lower
the
burden
for
applicants,
and
we
recommend
changing
the
funding
structure
from
using
exclusively
a
special
tax
assessment
for
property
owners
to
incorporate
other
funding
sources
and
again
to
lower
the
burden
on
applicants.
Q
We're
also
again
recommending
that
the
traffic
homing
request
program
be
paired
with
the
existing
pavement
management
process,
so
this
slide
kind
of
shows
how,
in
year,
one
and
year
two
how
the
traffic
coming
request
program
would
interface
with
with
the
PMP
the
tan
boxes,
show
the
specific
touch
points
so
in
the
winter
would
be
good,
the
beginning
of
the
traffic
calming
process
and
the
priority
prioritization
of
requests
in
the
spring.
There
would
be
a
look-ahead
neighborhood
meeting
in
the
summer.
Q
We've
identified
several
costs
associated
with
the
recommended
traffic
coming
request
program
that
includes
additional
tube
counters
for
data
collection,
additional
Public
Works
vehicle,
as
well
as
funding
permanent
and
trial
traffic
calming
treatments
in
terms
of
funding
sources.
We
recommend
that
the
tier
one
traffic
calming
treatments
utilize,
a
mix
of
funding
sources,
including
the
city
council,
strategic
priorities,
General
funding
in
a
reduced
special
tax
assessment
I,
would
recommend
that
the
tier
2
traffic
coming
treatments
be
funded
through
the
pavement
Management
program.
Q
As
with
the
speed
limits,
we
recommend
future
evaluation
at
the
project
level,
so
kind
of
evaluating
the
before
and
after
impacts
of
traffic
calming
treatments.
So
we
want
to
look
at
metrics
related
to
vehicle
speeds,
vehicle
volumes,
crash
history
and
pedestrian
and
bicycle
activity.
At
the
program
level,
we
recommend
performing
the
evaluation
of
the
program
within
three
years
and
making
adjustments
as
needed.
Q
We
want
to
assess
who,
in
the
community,
is
using
the
program
you
know.
Is
this
program
actually
accessible
to
more
people?
As
we
stated
as
one
of
our
goals,
we
want
to
know
how
many
people
are
using
it,
as
well
as
any
impacts
on
funding
and
staff
resources
and
general
awareness
of
the
program
in
the
community.
Q
Broadly
speaking,
we
recommend
a
neighborhood-based
engagement
approach,
as
well
as
updating
the
city
website
to
include
a
One-Stop
shop
guidance
so
that
what
is
probably
a
pretty
complicated
process
is
easily
understood
by
everyone
in
the
community,
and
we
recommend
using
a
range
of
communication
tools
to
increase
awareness
of
proposed
traffic
calming
treatments.
So
that
includes
a
plain
language
guide,
yard
signs,
sidewalk
details
as
well
as
neighborhood
meetings
and
community
events.
Q
F
R
The
chairman
commissioner
Curry
Kirk
Roberts
traffic
and
transportation
engineer
so
striping
alone
on
a
local
Street,
just
adding
striping
without
some
physical
changes
has
had
zero
effect
on
traffic
speeds
or
volumes.
It
just
has
really
literally
no
effect
on
that.
So
it's
an
option
that
we
added
to
the
toolbox.
E
Thank
you,
I
apologize,
I
wasn't
at
the
meeting
in
April,
but
one
of
the
questions
I
had
was
really
around
the
line
item
that
talked
about
variable
message,
boards
and
I.
Guess
the
question
that
I
have
is
really
what
scenarios
would
a
variable
Message
Board
be
used
on
local
streets?
Are
they
would
they
be
lit?
Q
Commissioner,
so
the
variable
message
boards
would
not
necessarily
be
deployed
on
local
streets.
It
would,
they
would
be
deployed
at
kind
of
the
onset
of
the
changes
in
when
the
speed
limits
are
implemented
and
they
would
be
posted
at
gateway
locations
at
the
city,
and
you
know
major,
thorough
Affairs,
it's
more
of
a
period
of
awareness
of
the
chances
to
speed
limits.
Much
like
you
see
in
construction
sites
where
the
speed
limit
is
reduced.
E
F
O
Chair
Roman,
commissioner
Curry.
What
we
looked
at
was
a
grant
program
that
would
help
those
areas.
Basically,
if
the
median
households
for
a
block
group,
a
census
block
group
currently
is
80,
582
dollars
is
or
the
poverty
level
is
greater
than
eight
percent,
and
so
those
are
going
to
change
annually.
So
that
is
this
year's
number
and
we
will
calculate
it
every
year
to
make
sure
that
we
know
what
it
is.
O
F
Follow-Up
question
is:
is
there
any
sort
of
I
guess?
How
does
that?
Well?
I,
don't
know
I
mean
I'm,
not
the
expert
I
suppose,
but
does
that?
Have
you
basically
proven
out
that
then
people
who
are
just
above
that
level
can
afford
to
pay
for
traffic
calming
measures
or
do
we
know
that
you
know
we're
not
missing
an
entire
segment
of
the
population?
That's
just
above
that.
O
Chair
Roman,
commissioner
Curry.
We
don't
know
that.
That's
why,
as
part
of
the
process,
we're
going
to
have
the
evaluation
so
that
we
can
re-look
at
the
data,
we've
also
done
a
racial
Equity
impact
assessment.
So
there
are
a
bunch
of
unknowns
that
we
don't
actually
know.
We
don't
have
the
data
for,
but
we're
taking
our
best
swing
at
it
and
we
might
strike
out
or
we
might
hit
a
home
run
or
we
might
get
a
double.
So
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
reevaluate
it.
F
O
The
chair
Roman,
commissioner
Curry
our
application
process.
If
you
were
a
renter,
you
can
apply
for
the
program.
When
we
get
to
the
assessment
of
the
actual
implementation
of
the
traffic
calming
devices,
we
cannot
assess
a
renter
legally,
we
have
to
assess
a
property
owner,
so
the
assessment
would
once
we
go
through
the
process,
go
to
the
property
owner.
F
F
E
A
O
A
Okay,
thank
you.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
a
public
comment,
and
so
at
this
time
I
would
open
the
public
comment
period
and
I
I.
Suppose
staff
are
also
public.
Anyone
in
the
public
in
a
chamber
wish
to
speak
on
this
item
or
offer
comment
on
this
item
and
I
do
not
see
anybody
online
either.
So
you're.
B
E
A
J
E
I'll
start
thanks.
First
of
all,
thank
you
staff
for
doing
such
a
great
job
and
Consultants
of
just
the
analysis.
I
know
the
city
of
Bloomington
is
a
large
city
and
we've
got
lots
of
roads
and
lots
of
neighborhoods
and
so
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
think
about
all
of
the
different
scenarios
and
different
conditions
that
our
residents
are
seeing.
E
E
However,
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
not
to
go
too
slow
or
too
fast,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
give
and
take
So.
Based
on
the
analysis
that
staff
did.
You
know
I
think
25
is
appropriate
and
I
also
like
that
we
have
the
flexibility
to
go
lower
in
those
areas
that
are
really
critical
and
then
paired
with
those
traffic
teaming
options
you
know
putting
in
a
traffic
circle
with
a
25
would
actually
slow
them
down
even
further.
So
I
think
that
pairing
those
two
makes
sense.
E
The
last
comment
that
I
just
had
here
is
that
when
I
started
in
the
commission
five
years
ago,
I
remember,
we
had
a
application
before
us
where
the
speed
came
up
and
we
were
told
we
didn't
have
the
authority
to
make
these
types
of
decisions.
So
it's
nice
to
see
that,
as
of
it's
a
2019
that
we
now
have
the
authority
as
a
city
to
really
make
a
decision
for
ourselves
of
what
we
want
our
speeds
to
be
I'm
really
interested
to
see.
You
know,
as
other
cities
adopt
changes.
E
What
have
the
impacts
been?
I
know,
education
is
a
big
piece.
You
know,
and
awareness
is
another
piece,
but
I
always
think
about.
How
do
you
enforce,
and
so
the
results
is
obviously
safer.
City
is
safer,
neighborhoods,
but
then
also,
you
know
with
the
enforcement
of
speeding
that
carries
a
load
on
our
on
our
police
force
as
well.
So
I'm
really
interested
to
see
what
other
cities
say
and
I
know
we'll
see
a
traffic
team
and
the
engineers
back
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
results
and
years
after
I
leave
the
commission.
K
C
K
I,
don't
know
why
and
maybe
I'm
just
gonna
hope
it's
because
the
Vikings
are
on
and
they'd
rather
be
at
home,
doing
that
and
that
will
fill
the
council
chambers
during
the
city
council,
but
people
should
be
here
and
I
I.
It
does
disappoint
me
that
there's
nobody
online
and
there's
nobody
in
the
council,
chambers
and
I
wish.
There
was
because
this
is
important
in
regards
to
my
comments.
I'll
just
stick
to
the
speed
limit
thing,
I'm
in
favor
of
everything
else.
K
I,
don't
think,
there's
much
controversy
there,
so
I'll
stick
to
the
speed
limit
thing
and
I
I
must
say:
I'm
torn
on
it
because
you
know
the
data
that
we
we
asked
for
doesn't
show
much
that
we
need
to
do
this.
We
know
that
folks,
already
Drive
25
miles
an
hour
on
30
mile,
an
hour
streets
and
it's
my
understanding,
maybe
I'm
incorrect.
But
it's
my
understanding.
We
don't
have
a
issue
with
people
getting
struck
by
vehicles
and
that
we
know
that
people
drive
the
speed
limit
of
their
surroundings.
It's
about.
K
K
Based
on
the
data
we've
received,
what
I
am
encouraged
by
is
that
we
are
going
to
do
a
comprehensive
evaluation
and
put
the
data
in
it
and
leave
it
to
the
city
of
Bloomington
to
be
a
leader
on
this
and
that
other
cities
can
follow
what
we
do,
because
we'll
show
what
the
data
is
and
help
other
cities
make
their
decision.
I
wish.
K
Other
cities
would
take
the
lead
type
of
leadership
that
we
do
here
in
the
city
of
Bloomington,
as
it
stands
right
now,
I
think
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
this
application
with
No
Malice
I,
don't
mind
if
we
change
the
speed
limit
to
25
miles
an
hour.
It
sounds
like
I,
already
Drive
25
miles
an
hour
that
that's
not
a
big
deal
for
me.
I
think
it's
more
about!
F
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
guess,
I,
don't
know,
maybe
I'm
the
only
person
in
the
world
that
pays
attention
to
striping.
But
if
I
see
you
know
a
bike
sign
on
the
road
or
you
know
wide
Lanes
on
the
side
that
say,
there's
pedestrians
that
might
be
in
the
area
or
bikes
in
the
area
like
I,
do
drive
slower,
so
I
also
agree
with
commissioner
cookton
and
that
I
mean
I
thought.
Speed.
F
F
What
do
you
call
it?
I
don't
know
traffic
calming
is
a
disincentive
to
do
it
in
the
first
place,
so
I
mean
we've
got
three
things
that
were
sent
here
today.
Three
letters
from
people
that
are
concerned:
I-
guess
it's
two
of
them,
but
two
letters
from
people
that
are
concerned
about
the
speed
limits
being
too
high
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
when
I
read
these,
they
read
to
me
like
people
are
just
not
paying
attention.
F
There's
just
no
awareness
so
again,
I
mean
I,
just
kind
of
go
back
to
awareness
and
just
warnings
that
hey.
If
we
try
to
keep
people
in
their
lanes,
that
might
kind
of
might
be
a
more
cost
effective
way
to
manage
traffic
speeds
than
just
posting
a
sign.
So
I,
don't
know
I,
guess:
I'm,
not
the
biggest
fan
of
The
Proposal,
due
to
somewhat
of
the
engagement
level.
I
think
we
could
have
a
more
cost
effective
way
of
managing
managing
it.
A
Say
it's
an
interesting
perspective
on
what
to
do
or
not
to
do
I.
Think,
generally
again,
given
the
fact
that
it
seems
like
that's
what
people
are
driving
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
downside
to
doing
it
and
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
different
components
of
the
cost,
if
you
just
simply
take
out
just
the
cost
of
the
it
was
like
40
signs
or
something
at
the
entrance
to
the
city.
If
that's
really
all
the
actual
cost
of
lowering
it
is
25.
It's
not
that
big
of
a
of
a
thing
in
there.
A
It
is
it's
about
how
we
design
our
streets
and
it's
about
you
know
when
we
do
rebuild
streets.
We
are
very
conscious
of
of
the
cost
of
that
to
the
city
and
the
cost
of
that
to
the
to
the
adjacent
property
owners
and
I.
Think
that's
been
a
very
high
priority
for
the
city
and
I.
Think
people
appreciate
that.
A
There
is
specific
stuff
in
there
about
sidewalks,
which
everyone
knew
I
was
going
to
get
to,
but
I
think
it's.
It
begs
the
question
of
to
the
point
of
how
do
we
approach
this?
Well,
we
probably
approach
this
by
rethinking
what
our
streets
are
in
the
first
place
and
what
is
as
a
city.
What
do
we
say?
Our
standard
is
now
for
streets.
Our
standard
in
2002
was
this
and
that's
what
we're
operating
under
now
well
we're
a
different
city
in
many
ways.
A
In
many
ways
we're
not,
but
the
people
in
our
city
are
different
than
they
were
20
years
ago.
In
some
ways
the
priorities
of
the
people
are
shifting.
The
the
people
who
are
more
interested
in
biking
or
walking
is
drastically
shifted
than
when
the
city
was
built
in
the
50s,
60s
and
70s,
and
so
again
none
of
this
is
is
wrong
or
bad.
A
I
just
think
we're
at
a
point
where
this
is
one
piece
of
of
what
more
should
come,
and
so
in
this
I'm,
very
supportive
of
the
school
zone
item
with
or
without
the
25
I
think
the
school
zone
item
it's
it's
listed
as
a
consider.
I
think
it
should
be
a
do
and
again,
given
that
the
actual
cost
of
the
25
is
fairly.
There
are
other
pieces
of
there
in
there
that
are
suggested.
There
are
costs,
but
the
actual
cost
to
do
to
go
to
25
itself
is
is
pretty
minimal.
I'm.
A
I,
don't
know
hope
hope
is
not
a
strategy,
but
it's
been
my
strategy
for
the
last
five
years,
but
I
really
think
it.
This
is
the
time
if
we
are
adapting
this,
and
these
are
our
priorities
and
values.
I
think
this
is
the
time
to
figure
out
how
that
could
fit
in
a
work
plan
to
to
revisit
and
make
some
recommendations
around
our
streets
policy.
So,
generally
speaking,
I
can
I
can
support
this
recommendation.
H
H
I.
Think
people
drive
the
speed
limit
that
they
feel
comfortable
driving
in
and
that
whatever
money
that
could
be
saved,
even
if
it's
a
little
bit
I
think
should
be
directed
towards
I
agree
with
chair
Romans
idea
of
adding
in
it
adding
in
the
school
zone
should
be
absolutely
changed
and
I
think
additional
Education,
Without
necessarily
decreasing
the
speed
limit,
might
just
work.
Fine
I
mean
you
can
do
all
of
those
things
and
then
just
let
people
know
what
the
speed
limit
is.
H
H
E
E
K
K
One
of
the
things
we
talked
about
in
that
study
session
was,
if
you
lower
it
so
much
you
get
almost
like
a
pushback
like
people
just
aren't
going
to
follow
it,
because
it's
so
ridiculous,
and
you
know
why
not
set
the
speed
limit
at
five
miles
an
hour.
Then
we're
never
gonna
have
a
tragic
accident
right.
Well,
that's
not
the
way
people
drive
and
so
in
a
perfect
world.
I
totally
agree
with
you.
K
If
we
all
like
if
our
cars
just
follow
the
speed
limit,
I
would
be
much
more
in
favor
of
you
know
this
25,
because
we
could
reduce
some
accident
potential,
but
unfortunately
that's
just
not
the
way
it
works
and
I
think
people
well.
We
know
that
people
drive
the
way
their
surroundings
make
them
feel
comfortable
in
the
drive.
F
Curry
all
right
so
I
go.
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
guess
I
should
say
that
I
am
supportive
of
the
reduction
in
speed.
I.
Think
25
is
just
a
natural
thing
since
we're
saying
to
that's
what
we
drive
anyways
I'm
more
concerned
with
the
engagement
within
the
city
and
generally
that
there's
no
awareness
like
there's
people
are
concerned.
The
write-ins
that
we've
seen
the
two
that
we've
got
from
the
public
are
concerned
with
General
awareness
when
people
are
driving
and
that
the
only
traffic
calming
options
cost
money
for
the
taxpayer
is
directly
involved.
A
It
just
means
that
that's
where
I
choose
to
put
my
focus
and
so
I
think
you
know,
commissioner
cookton
made
a
point.
You
know
nobody
I
remember.
We
sat
here
last
December
when
and
because
I
know
there's
a
topic
of
great
interest
to
commissioner
Curry.
We
had
the
single
family,
zoning
and
same
thing.
We
had
one
person,
one
person
on
the
topic,
and-
and
so
this
is,
you
know,
For
Better
or
For
Worse.
This
is
this
is
where
we
are
in
in
the
nature
of
people's
engagement
in
the
in
community.
A
In
the
government
and
I
think
we
do
have
people
I
think
who
are
trying
to
to
make
it
better
and
they
and
I
think
you
know.
We
see
the
places
that
the
zaf
did,
the
pop-up
events
and
I
think
they're,
you
know
tried
to
reach
different
parts
of
the
city
and
just
the
reality
of
you
know
we
do
our
best.
We
offer
opportunities,
as
there
will
be
another
opportunity
for
people
to
do
the
to
comment
on
this
at
the
city
council.
A
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
nothing
is
ever
perfect,
but
we've
done
the
best.
We
can
and
doesn't
mean
we
can't
strive
to
do
better,
but
I
I
hear
you
and
you're
wrong.
You're
right,
commissioner
cookton
is
right.
You
know
these
are.
If
everyone
was
engaged
is
the
six
people,
then
we
would
have
a
very
different
city,
For
Better
or
For
Worse.
K
Cooked
in
thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I'll,
provide
a
little
bit
of
critical
feedback
for
City
staff
on
this
one
and
I
really
think
we
have
a
terrific
City
staff
Barbie
for
me
to
criticize
them
really
ever,
but
I
think
one
may
be
reason.
We're
not
seeing
folks
here
is.
This
item
is
called
neighborhood
traffic
management
plan
and
it
was
mixed
in
with
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
that
I
think
there
was
a
reason
for
that,
but
I
think
the
speed
limit
thing
should
have
been
broken
out,
and
this
item
should
have
been
reduced.
K
The
speed
limit
to
25
miles
an
hour
I
think
that
jumps
off
the
page
significantly
more
to
sign
somebody's
inbox
than
neighborhood
traffic
management
plan.
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
an
option
to
change
that
for
the
city
council
meeting,
maybe
that's
a
formal
name
and
that
can't
be
changed.
But
if
there
is
an
opportunity
to
that
agenda
is
probably
set
to.
A
A
O
Chair
Roman,
commission.
The
reason
that
that
is
happening
is
because
the
consultant
wasn't
available
at
the
later
meeting
and
because
we're
moving
into
October
and
the
assessments
season,
we
were
trying
to
get
it
in
and
I
didn't
realize
that
there
needed
to
be
more
of
a
gap.
We
can
certainly
postpone
the
item
on
Council
to
October.
If
you
would
like.
O
Title
I
would
need
to
consult
with
someone,
because
it
was
city
council
who
developed
the
title
of
the
program
and
asked
for
those
things
to
be
in
there.
Now
they
were,
it
wasn't
exactly
their
words,
but
they
wanted
a
comprehensive
look
and
not
just
a
speed
limit
evaluation.
They
want
it
when
they
allocated
the
budget
for
the
hiring
of
the
consultant.
They
wanted
it
to
be
more
comprehensive,
so
we
can
certainly
look
at
it
and
see
if
we
can
have
an
alternate
title.
A
This
is.
This
is
good
discussion.
I
think
for
me,
I
think
the
data
we
did
have,
which
suggested
that
most
people
were
driving
in
the
range
of
25,
whether
we
have
direct
feedback
from
people
or
not
again,
direct
feedback
people
in
person
always
preferable
or
online
always
preferable,
but
the
data
we
do
have
suggests
that
this
is
not
a
a
burden
on
people
to
make
this
change,
and
so
I
would
be
in
favor
of
giving
it
a
try
again.
We've
got
the
three-year
commitment
to
a
three-year
evaluation.
A
Worst
case
scenario,
in
my
opinion,
is
in
three
years
or
less.
If
something
doesn't
go
well,
it
goes
back
to
30
but
I
the
cities
where
I've
been
where
I
think
this
is
actually
part
of
what
will
be
helpful
because,
what's
I
think
not
helpful,
is
you
drive
into
City
a
and
it's
30.?
You
drive
into
City
B
on
the
same
street
and
it's
25.,
you
drive
into
City
C
and
it
might
be
30
or
it
might
be.
20.
so
well.
A
A
and
so
25
is
not
I.
Think
I
think
it
will
become
more.
The
standard
I
know
one
very
time
when
I
lived
in
Wisconsin.
That
was
the
standard
on
local
streets,
and
that
was
just
the
way
it
was
everywhere
and
so
I
guess,
given
that
the
data
we
do
have
that
suggests
this
is
where
people
mostly
are
already
I,
don't
think
it's
a
burden.
Some
change
to
make
I
would
I
would
support
recommendation
of
this
again
to
try
it
out.
E
E
I
remember
we
had
a
presentation
to
us
a
few
years
ago
about
a
resident
that
requested
some
mitigation
and
they
they
trialed
that
out,
and
it
was
I
think
the
first
one
in
20
years
that
actually
got
implemented
so
making
it
easier
to
request
making
it
more
accessible
to
request
any
of
these
strategies.
If
it's
temporary,
like
I've,
seen
on
Russell
and
91st
Street
I
love
that
we
have
the
option
to
try
things
out,
see
how
it
works,
make
it
more
accessible
and
safer.
A
K
K
A
A
P
P
K
H
A
A
A
O
O
The
pavement
Management
program
was
established
back
in
1991.
It
reduces
the
overall
Street
repair
costs
by
doing
the
right
action
at
the
right
time.
We
evaluate
all
the
streets
in
Bloomington
based
on
what
we
call
the
pavement
condition
index,
so
we
give
them
a
grade
of
zero
to
a
hundred
based
on
what
their
condition
is,
and
it
helps
us
prepare
our
forecast
for
future
years.
O
We
bid
our
street
segments
into
a
couple
different
big
projects
to
get
economies
to
scale
from
the
contractor.
So
we'll
have
one
big
reconstruction
project
that
a
contractor
would
bid
on
we'll
have
one
big
overlay
project.
It
includes
all
the
cities
streets
of
that
type
in
a
given
year
and
the
reason
we
do
that
is
to
lower
the
assessments
and
then
to
lower
the
overall
costs
to
the
taxpayers.
O
The
cost
share
for
adjacent
property
ion
City
taxpayers
on
the
Reconstruction
property
is
for
single
two
and
three
family
homes.
We
assess
25
of
the
costs
and
all
other
property
types
we
assess
50
of
the
cost
and
I
know
I've
just
mentioned
the
different
reconstruct
overlay
projects
and
now
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
little
information
on
what
those
are.
In
case
you
don't
know
as
part
of
our
pavement
Management
program,
the
construction
techniques.
O
We
have
a
bunch
of
different
Tools
in
our
toolbox.
The
reconstruct
is
where
we
remove
and
replace
the
pavement,
including
all
the
sub
base
and
install
curbing
gutter.
If
it
doesn't
already
exist
that
work
is
done
by
a
contractor
that
we've
hired
by
the
city.
Similarly,
we
hire
a
contractor
to
also
do
the
construction
of
our
overlay
projects,
unlike
the
reconstruct,
where
we're
taking
out
all
of
the
base
on
an
overlay
we're
leaving
most
of
the
pavement
structure,
but
we're
Milling
or
grinding
off
that
top
layer
and
then
repay
behaving
it.
O
We
also
have
a
Sealcoat
program
as
part
of
our
pavement
Management
program,
that's
where
we
apply
a
bituminous
adhesive
and
then
place
rocks
on
top
of
it
and
roll
them
in
and
then
sweep
off
the
excess.
This
was
our
first
year,
where
we've
hired
a
contractor
to
do
that
as
part
of
the
South
Metro
joint
Powers
agreement.
It
went
pretty
well,
we
did
have
a
few
growing
pains
with
it,
but
I
overall
it
went
pretty
well.
O
We
also
have
some
trail
and
sidewalk
construction
and
maintenance
components
of
our
pavement
Management
program
as
you'll
see
later
on.
We
didn't
used
to
have
this
component,
it's
a
fairly
new
component,
but
our
trails
and
our
sidewalks
were
going
into
disrepair.
So
this
is
a
way
that
we
can
try
and
get
them
to
be
a
higher
standard.
We
will
usually
remove
and
replace
Trails
just
because
their
thickness
is
on
like
a
road
section,
they're
not
designed
for
heavy
Vehicles,
so
there
isn't
anything
to
Mill
and
overlay.
O
O
This
is
also
sometimes
done
by
a
contractor
hired
by
the
city
and
sometimes
done
by
our
City
Maintenance
forces,
a
pavement
life
cycle.
If
we
just
build
a
brand
new
road
and
don't
touch
and
don't
do
any
sort
of
Maintenance
in
about
20
years,
that's
going
to
fall
apart,
but
if
we
do
apply
the
right
maintenance
techniques,
we
can
get
that
same
street
to
last
60
to
75
years.
O
The
analogy
I
always
like
to
use
is:
if
you
buy
a
combustion
engine,
vehicle
I
have
to
change
my
my
example
up
a
little
because
a
lot
of
people
have
electric
vehicles
now
or
some
people
have
electric
vehicles.
But
if
you
buy
a
combustion
engine
vehicle
and
you
drive
it
off
the
lot
and
all
you
ever
do
is
put
fuel
in
it.
You
don't
do
any
oil
changes,
you
don't
take
it
in
for
service.
You
don't
get
the
brakes
done
eventually
that
vehicle
is
going
to
fall
apart.
O
O
O
So,
if
you've
seen
on
some
of
the
roads,
the
edges
start
to
deteriorate
because
over
time
they
shove,
while
the
Kerman
gutter
helps
Define
that
edge
and
helps
keep
gets
the
water
from
seeping
underneath
the
road
bed
and
gets
it
into
the
storm
sewer
system.
So
Council
has
decided
that
if
we're
going
to
invest
the
money
to
reconstruct
the
road,
because
it's
a
fairly
expensive
process
we're
going
to
install
Kerman
gutter
at
that
time
we
have
different
street
widths
that
are
based
on
the
existing
widths
of
the
road
that
we
look
at.
O
So
our
new
standard
is
usually
32
feet
wide.
The
previous
standard
prior
to
2002
was
36
feet.
Wide
existing
streets
with
existing
curb
and
gutter
are
reconstructed
to
the
current
width.
That
is
done,
so
we
don't
have
to
charge
the
residence
and
the
taxpayer
the
expense
of
removing
and
replacing
the
curbing
gutter.
O
O
We
assess
based
on
an
adjusted
front
foot
what
we
call
AFF
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
all
the
Lots
rectangular
lot.
So,
if
you're
on
a
cul-de-sac
and
they're
kind
of
some
of
them
are
trapezoid
and
some
of
them,
this
way
we're
trying
to
make
them
all
imaginary
rectangles
and,
of
course,
you
know,
being
a
community
of
our
size.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
conditions,
so
we
have
in
the
policy
adjustments
for
Corner
Lots
odd
shape,
lots.
O
Apparently,
don't
you
know
again
bends
that
shallow
Lots
flag,
Lots
Etc
foreign,
with
the
pavement
Management
program,
we're
trying
to
take
the
right
action
at
the
right
time
because
it
prolongs
pavement
life.
It
keeps
City
infrastructure
in
good
condition,
it
maintains
or
increased
property
values
and
it
reduces
the
overall
costs.
O
This
is
our
PMP
project
timeline,
so
he
he
we're
here
today
in
2023,
where
the
first
yellow
star
is
to
talk
about
the
2024
projects
in
this
earlier
this
spring
we
did
what
we
call
the
PMP
drive
around.
So
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
have
a
pavement
condition
index
the
PCI,
so
the
computer
tells
us
what
the
roads
are.
Well,
that's
all
fine
and
dandy,
but
we
actually
drive
the
streets
to
confirm
that
the
computer
is
right.
Maybe
this
street
can
last
longer.
O
Maybe
this
one
had
a
rough
go
over
the
winter
and
it
needs
to
be
accelerated.
So
we
look
at
that.
Then,
once
we
decide
on
what
the
streets
are,
we
have
what
we
call
our
pavement
management
scoping
meeting
and
it's
where
we
invite
all
different
city
departments.
So
we'll
include
planning
we'll
include
park
and
rec,
saying
hey:
this
is
our
shot.
You
know
to
work
on
this
road
either
for
the
next
20
years,
60
years,
depending
on
what
kind
of
Road
it
is
and
are
there
other
things
we
don't
know
about
that.
O
O
This
summer
we've
been
doing
different
trial
trials
at
like
in
the
neighborhoods,
trying
to
see
what
kind
of
traffic
calming
things
may
or
may
not
work
for
the
neighborhood
so
we'll
come
and
give
you
an
update
of
now
that
we've
collected
all
the
data
and
we
have
the
results.
This
is
what
we're
proposing
to
include
with
the
pavement
Management
program
in
the
winter.
We'll
can
finalize
our
design,
we'll
go
out
for
bids
in
the
spring.
O
S
Right,
thank
you
Julie
good
evening,
as
Julie
mentioned,
I'm
Bob
Simons,
a
senior
civil
engineer
in
our
street
design
and
infrastructure
area
of
our
engineering
department,
I'll,
be
going
through
our
2024
and
2025.
Reconstruct
and
overlay
projects.
I'll
highlight
a
few
areas
of
each
of
those
projects
and
then
give
you
some
information
about
what
was
brought
up
at
the
scoping
meeting
that
Julie
had
just
mentioned,
and
then
also
just
by
staff
in
general.
S
For
these
areas
we
have
about
23
miles
between
2024
and
2025
of
Recon
and
overlay
miles
of
streets
that
are
currently
in
our
on
our
map
for
our
program.
For
those
years.
The
first
project,
the
2024
101
PMP,
reconstruct
project
I'll,
be
highlighting
Overlook
Drive
DuPont,
the
DuPont
area,
Lyndale
Avenue
and
Meadowview
Road
to
start
with
for
Overlook
Drive.
This
is
from
France
Avenue
to
its
East
Terminus.
So,
on
the
west
side,
we
have
France
Avenue.
On
the
east
side,
we
have
we're
just
to
the
Northeast.
S
Since
there's
not
enough
room
for
with
the
right-of-way
to
install
a
cul-de-sac,
staff
will
look
in
a
possible
future
Trail
connections
on
the
East
Terminus.
As
you
may
remember,
from
a
few
years
ago,
there
was
a
discussion
about
connecting
Overlook
Drive
on
the
south
side
of
the
golf
course
we'll
look
at
the
possibility
of
some
possible
future
Trail
Connections
in
the
area
and
then
also
we're
working
with
park
and
rec
staff
to
see.
If
there's
any
coordination
that
could
be.
S
Would
be
needed
for
the
golf
course
improvements
that
they
have
coming
up
as
well,
then
we
have
our
Dupont
area,
Dupont,
Avenue,
Colfax
84th
and
a
half
84th
Street.
Just
to
the
south
of
this
is
Bryant
Park.
Just
in
the
north
of
this
is
82nd
Street.
It
has
existing
curb
in
this
area.
There'll
be
some
possible
intersection,
control
improvements
that
will
be
explored
through
the
neighborhood
meetings.
This
summer
some
speeds
concerns
were
brought
up
from
the
residents.
We
may
look
at
some
treatments,
such
as
bump,
alts
or
traffic
circles
for
the
area.
S
We
also
will
have
a
Santa
there's
a
sanitary
sewer,
main
line
that
needs
to
be
upsized
in
the
area
which
may
affect
the
timing
of
the
project,
depending
on
the
funding.
If
we
can
afford
that
that
sanitary
sewer
upgrade
next
year
and
we'll
be
coordinating
with
the
Bryant
and
troutball
park,
we'll
see
the
Bryant
part
for
this
for
this
area,
I'm
reconstruction
and
then
also
the
2024
111
PMP
Trail
project,
which
we'll
get
into
in
just
a
minute
here.
S
But
for
that
that
coordination
with
the
Bryant
Park
project,
you
see
the
streets
highlighted
in
red.
Those
are
the
reconstruct
streets
of
84th,
Dupont,
Colfax
and
84th,
and
a
half
Brian
park
being
just
to
the
South
will
have
to
coordinate
that
work
with
that
project
and
we'll
discuss
that
a
little
bit
later
on
and
we
have
Lindale
Avenue
from
West
106th
Street
to
its
South
Terminus
at
the
U.S
fish
and
wildlife
parking
lot
in
the
boat
ramp
to
the
river.
S
It
has
existing
curb
in
this
area,
there's
actually
a
24
foot
wide
concrete
surface
underneath
the
existing
roadway,
which
is
the
original
Lyndale
Avenue,
we're
looking
to
install
an
on-road
bike
facility
due
to
the
groundwater
and
unstable
soil
issues
in
the
area.
Looking
at
a
20-foot
recommended
width
for
vehicle
travel
and
then
using
the
rest
of
that
36
foot,
width
for
shared
bike
and
Pad
facilities
on
both
sides
of
the
road
there's,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
known
groundwater
and
underlying
soil
issues
in
the
area.
S
So
we're
looking
to
separate
the
storm
water
and
the
groundwater.
We
have
a
few
funding
sources.
We
acquired
just
over
420
000
from
the
DNR
State
Park
Road
account
and
also
35W
bridge
access
funds,
which
is
funding
that
we
received
from
the
contractor
that
built
that
just
redid
the
35W
bridge
I'm
over
the
river.
They
use
this
as
a
hall
route,
so
we
got
some
funds
back
from
them
for
the
the
damages
incurred
and
then
also
we've
been
applying
for
the
Eastern
Federal
lands
or
the
flap
Grant
in
2019
and
2021.
S
Unfortunately,
we
have
not
been
successful
in
those
applications
and,
lastly,
for
Lindale
Avenue
at
the
South
End.
The
plan
would
be
to
eliminate
the
existing
teardrop
and
put
a
small
bubble
turn
around
we're
working
with
U.S
fish
and
wildlife
and
the
DNR
on
a
connection
to
the
DNR
Trail
and
then
working
with
U.S
fish
and
wildlife.
On
that
parking
lot,
reconstruction,
which
we
intend
on
being
a
part
of
this
project
funded
by
U.S
fish
and
wildlife,
they've
done
an
archaeological
review
of
the
area
and
unfortunately,
there
there
was.
Unfortunately
there
was
no
findings.
S
We
have
82nd
street
from
12th
Avenue
to
Old,
Cedar
Avenue,
so
12th,
the
Avenue
being
on
the
west
old
Cedar
Bean
on
the
East.
This
is
actually
going
to
be
on
82nd
Street
water
main
project,
but
we're
going
to
build
it
with
the
2024
101
project.
It's
as
existing
curb
width
at
44
feet,
but
the
water
main
is
going
to
be
re
removed
and
replaced
on
the
south
side
of
82nd
Street,
which
was
going
to
remove
the
majority,
if
not
all,
of
the
curb
on
the
South
Side.
S
So
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
possibly
look
at
altering
of
the
street
cross
section,
possibly
altering
the
width
of
the
street,
since
that
whole
cell
site
will
be
removed
and
we're
also
going
to
be
exploring
The
Pedestrian
Crossing
enhancements
our
possible
pedestrian,
Crossing
enhancement
at
12th
and
82nd.
There's
currently
a
Crossing
on
the
north
side
of
12th.
At
82nd
Street
we
have
Metal
View
Road
from
old
Cedar
Avenue
to
Old
Shakopee
Road,
no
existing
curb
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
would
be
a
neighborhood
we'd.
S
S
Then
we
have
our
Poplar
Bridge
neighborhood.
There
was
a
traffic
circle
trial
that
was
was
conducted.
Well,
I
should
mention.
France
Avenue
was
just
to
the
east.
Here
90th
Street
to
the
South.
There
was
a
traffic
circle
trial
that
was
conducted
from
June
through
late
August.
We
just
picked
up
the
traffic
circle
here
within
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
Right
now,
we're
evaluating
the
results
of
that
and
that'll
be
brought
back
on
that
second
star.
That
Julie
showed
on
the
on
that.
S
The
order
of
our
PMP
projects
here
we'll
come
back
to
Planning
Commission,
with
any
any
decisions
on
that
or
recommendations
on
that
and
then
also
there's
been
resident
interest
in
a
sidewalk
connection
on
the
west
side
of
Sri
bakan,
which
is
where
you
see
the
the
swamp
there
on
the
west
side
of
Harrison
or
the
marsh
that
a
sidewalk
in
that
location
that'd
be
a
future
project,
but
we're
looking
into
the
topography.
Getting
a
survey
and
we'd
most
likely
have
to
reduce
the
street
with
in
order
to
install
a
sidewalk
in
that
area.
S
A
Palmer
Road
area
includes
Palmer
Road,
86th
Street,
it's
adjacent
to
Poplar,
Bridge,
Elementary
School.
It's
a
walking
route
to
Poplar,
Bridge
Elementary
School,
we're
looking.
We
know
that
students
cross
at
85th
and
Palmer
so
we're
looking
into
possible
enhanced
Crossing
there,
possibly
a
bump
out
at
that
location.
S
We
have
our
Morris
Road
area
adjacent
to
Olson
and
Jefferson
Schools,
just
south
of
102nd
Street
we're
exploring
traffic
calling
calming
improvements
at
Johnson
and
Morris
Road.
There's
those
existing
narrow,
Center
medians,
which
I
know
our
maintenance
Crews,
do
not
like
and
they're
they're,
not
serving
the
purpose
that
we
look,
that
we
need
for
traffic
calming
in
that
area.
S
S
S
Just
a
couple
areas
to
highlight,
we
have
east
on
East
84th,
Street,
East,
84th,
Street
and
also
Oakland
Avenue
and
15th
Avenue.
It
was
noted
that
through
neighborhood
meetings
concerns
with
the
intersection
control
on
84th
Street,
so
we'd
be
looking
at.
For
example,
Park
in
84th
in
Chicago
and
84th
are
currently
four-way
stops,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
the
intersection
control
along
that
entire
stretch,
and
we
have
12th
Avenue
from
92nd
to
94th.
There's
no
existing
curb
in
this
area.
S
Our
traffic
and
Engineering
staff
will
be
looking
at
a
desired
cross-section
for
12th
possible
bike.
Lane
additions,
continuing
the
sidewalk
from
94th
to
92nd
and
in
the
atap,
which
will
be
coming
to
you
folks
later
for
are
the
recommendations
will
be
coming
forward.
That
includes
some
recommendations
for
12th
Avenue
as
well
then.
Lastly,
the
2025-102
overlay
candidates
to
highlight
a
few
areas.
S
We
know,
there's
speeding,
concerns
on
France,
we'll
be
looking
into
options
for
that
and
then
we'll
possibly
be
extending
the
limits
south
of
Overlook
Drive
Overlook,
Drive
being
the
stretch
that
I
showed
on
the
2024
101
as
well,
and
then
Pleasant
Avenue,
West
98th
to
West
95th.
We
know
there's
parking
issues
identified
in
the
area.
Public
health
has
targeted
this
area
for
healthy
initiatives
due
to
lower
lower
life
expectancies.
In
this
area,
we'll
be
looking
into
some
possible
sidewalk
connections
along
Pleasant
Avenue.
O
These
projects
are
mainly
pedestrian
bike,
oriented,
be
talking
about
the
Normandale
Trails,
the
PMP
Park
trails
and
then
head
Crossing
enhancements
at
a
few
locations.
So
the
first
project
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
the
Normandale
Boulevard
Trails.
What
we're
proposing
is
to
construct
a
multi-use
trail
on
the
west
side
and
a
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
from
94th
Street
to
Old
Shakopee
Road
back
in
2016,
in
partnership
with
Hennepin
County.
O
We
did
the
road
from
94th
Street
North
to
Nine
Mile
Creek,
and
we
did
improve
the
trail
on
both
sides
and
we
would
like
to
extend
it.
This
is
one
of
the
trails
that
I
talked
about
earlier
on
the
pavement
condition
index
where
we
built
it
and
then
never
did
any
maintenance
and
I'm
not
sure
you
could
call
it
a
trail
yeah
today.
O
O
O
The
next
projects
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
are
the
2024
111,
PMP,
Park
trails.
So
as
part
of
the
park
master
plan,
there
was
a
recommendation
that
we
improve
our
connections
to
the
parks.
So
we
are
looking
at
building
sidewalks.
That
kind
of
surround
the
park
to
make
some
really
nice
Loop
trails
at
Bryant
Park
and
then
also
build
some
new
sidewalks
on
Emerson
and
Bryant
to
get
you
to
the
park
from
86th
Street
and
also
improve
the
crossings
of
86th
Street.
O
We
acknowledge
that
there
are
additional
crossings
that
should
be
improved
at
82nd
for
the
community
that
lives
to
the
north
and
needs
to
come
South,
and
we
will
come
to
you
at
a
future
meeting
about
82nd
street,
but
with
MnDOT
doing
their
494
project
and
one
of
the
components
being
at
35W
and
82nd
street.
We
want
traffic
to
kind
of
settle
out
before
we
go,
making
changes
that
may
or
may
not
be
appropriate
for
the
new
traffic
patterns.
O
The
other
project
location
on
the
24
111
project
is
tret,
bra
Park.
So
if
it
will
be
a
bike,
skills
area
and
we're
partnering
with
parks
to
improve
the
sidewalk,
that's
out
there
now
and
enhance
it
to
be
a
trail
so
that
it
would
connect
to
the
France
Avenue
Trail
project
that
we
recently
connected
we're
going
to
go
as
far
east
as
we
can.
Until
we
run
out
of
right
away
we're.
O
We
don't
have
the
budget
to
do
the
right-of-way
acquisition
on
this
project,
but
we're
also
looking
at
improving
the
90th
Street
ped
Crossing,
and
that
would
be
very
similar
to
the
existing
ped
Crossing
on
90th
at
Xerxes
today.
So
because
we've
changed
the
road
so
that
it's
one
lane
in
each
Direction
and
with
the
wide
Center
median
mode,
which
is
a
great
pedestrian
Refuge.
We
don't
think
there
there's
a
need
for
the
rapid
flashing
Beacon
lights
that
we've
installed
in
other
locations.
O
The
next
project
is
the
24
201
pedestrian
Crossing
enhancements.
There
are
three
locations
for
this
project
and
we
we've
so
far.
We've
told
you
all
the
times.
We've
been
unsuccessful
in
a
grant.
This
time
we
were
successful
and
we
got
some
highway
safety,
Improvement
program
funding
and
so
we're
looking
at
improving
The
Crossings
at
Xerxes
and
98th,
Street,
Lindale
and
96th
Street
and
Old,
Shakopee,
Road
and
third.
So
at
this
location
on
the
map,
you
can
see
Xerxes
and
98th
and
I
apologize.
O
H
O
K
A
A
Traffic
signals
where
we
had
a
controlled
left
turn
and
introducing
the
flashing
yellow
for
at
certain
times
a
day
or
whatever
and
again
you
had
90th
and
France
was
my
was
my
one
that
came
to
mind
and
did
they
work
with
us?
So,
for
example,
90th
and
France
is
a
good
example
where
the
county
adjusted
that
and
now
there's
a
flashing
yellow
for
the
traffic
on
France.
But
our
signal
on
90th
remains
static,
and
so
is
there?
Is
that
just
we
don't
do
those
in
our
city
for
city
streets
or
that
the
county?
R
It's
just
because
we
have
another
location
where
we're
spending
limited
money
we
have,
and
so
in
the
past
few
years,
in
anticipation
of
the
494
projects,
we've
been
focused
on
American
Boulevard,
so
you'll
notice
the
signal
that
goes
into
the
back
side
of
Target
and
I
think
it's
Hobby
Lobby
now
got
a
flashing
yellow
or
did
all
the
others
along
there
just
trying
to
deal
with
that
traffic.
So
we
do
talk
to
them.
We
do
partner
with
them.
We
don't
always
have
the
money
to
do
so
so.
A
K
S
Yes,
commissioner,
cooked-
and
that
is
correct,
so
this
Lindale
Avenue
has
been
on
our
radar
for
a
few
years
now,
we've
just
been
working
closely
with
the
U.S
fish
and
wildlife
to
coordinate
that
parking
lot
work
as
well
with
this
project
so
yeah.
When
we
came
last
year,
Lyndale
Avenue
was
on
that
list
for
the
next
year
now
we're
much
further,
along
than
we
were
last
year
in
regards
to
that
coordination
with
U.S
fish
and
wildlife,
so
where
our
Target
is
to
be
moving
forward
with
this
in
in
2024.
K
A
K
O
Chair
room
and
commissioner
cookton
I
think
we
gave
you
a
heads
up
in
a
prior
to
last
year,
where
we
had
scheduled
it
for
2024,
because
last
year
we
knew
it
was
a
2024
project,
but
because
we're
working
with
both
the
a
federal
agency
and
another
state
agency
and
having
to
do
all
that
coordination,
it
is
taking
some
extra
time
normally
on
a
Bloomington
project.
We
don't
have
to
do
an
archaeological
exploration,
so
any
project
that
has
those
extra
environmental
reviews
or
additional
reviews
do
stretch
out
the
project
length.
O
I
think
you
will
at
this
time
we
are
not
aware
of
any
roadblocks
but
I
make
no
guarantees,
because
I
do
hear
of
a
potential
Federal
shutdown
if
they
can't
agree
to
a
budget,
and
then
that
would
delay
the
project
because
you
are
not
allowed
to
work
on
a
federal
project
if
the
federal
government
is
shut
down,
so
I
cannot
guarantee
anything.
But
at
this
time
we
don't
think
so.
Fair.
K
A
One
other
question,
and
mostly
it's
because
I
know
that
it's
a
question
I
hear
from
time
to
time
and
I
am
supporting
and
the
conditions
in
of
the
the
amount
of
space
available
is
different
on
the
east
side
of
the
community
than
on
the
west
side
of
the
community
and
I.
Think
the
the
envisioned
improvements
on
Normandale
are
good.
I
support
those
those
are.
Those
are
the
right
thing
to
do.
A
A
What
are
we
improving
on
the
east
side
of
the
community
and
so
again
the
ability
to
acquire
land
to
do
that
on
the
on
the
west
side
is
easier
than
it
is
on
the
East,
but
I
don't
know,
there's
necessarily
answer
to
that.
But
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
do
hear
that
and
I
know
you're
aware
of
it
too.
O
So
we're
hopeful
that
they'll
start
to
balance
out
in
our
community,
but
you're
right,
it's
easier
to
do
a
project
where
you
have
right-of-way
and
you
do
not
have
to
acquire
right
of
way
because
people
don't
really
like
to
see
you
come
to
their
front
yard.
Even
the
part.
That
is
the
right
of
way
now
that
they
don't
realize,
isn't
their
front
technically
part
of
their
property.
They
get
fairly.
E
A
hazard
I
see
a
lot
of
people
on
bikes
and
and
kids
going
on
that
road,
myself
included
and
there's
really
just
no
place
to
stop
or
to
alert
drivers
who
are
going
faster
than
the
speed
limit
on
on
98th.
So
I
love
the
detail
in
the
in
the
visuals,
so
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that.
I
guess
a
question
that
I
had
and
this
I
was
thinking
of
and
share.
Roman's
favorite
topic
is,
you
know,
sidewalks
and
so
on.
O
A
Okay,
nice
work,
I
anecdote
for
you,
but
the
the
Sawtooth
image
of
the
70
years
of
a
life
cycle
I
had
a
family
member
who
lives
in
a
ex-urban
community
which
I
won't
out
that
Community,
but
they
have
a
house
and
they
have
a
street
rebuilt
this
summer
and
they
said
how
on
Earth.
Is
it
possible
that
a
street
that's
only
20
years
old
that
we
have
to
pay
to
have
it
rebuilt
and
I
said
well?
A
Did
I
actually
use
that
image
I
sent
it
to
them?
I
said
if
your
city
was
following
best
practices,
they
wouldn't
have
this
problem,
so
nice
work.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
last
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
routine
Planning
Commission
policy
and
issue
update
and
I
will
start
with
the
planning
manager
for
items
that
he
has.
C
Yes,
chair,
Roman
Commissioners,
our
next
meeting
will
be
September
28th.
In
two
weeks.
We
have
two
items
left
on
that
agenda.
One
has
withdrawn.
The
two
items
left
include
a
conditional
use
permit
to
expand
the
number
of
children
in
in
existing
Child
Care
Center,
9201,
Normandale
Boulevard
and
then.
The
second
item
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
expand
the
number
of
residents
at
an
existing
residential
care
facility.
That's
at
1100,
East,
80th
Street,
then
the
subsequent
meeting
after
that
October
5th
canceled,
due
to
lack
of
items
and
after
that
October
12th.
C
C
Second
item
is
final
site
and
building
plans
for
Kennedy
Stadium
improvements,
Bloomington
Kennedy,
High,
School
and
then
a
similar
application
for
stadium
improvements
at
Bloomington,
Jefferson,
High,
School
and
then
the
annual
miscellaneous
issues
ordinance
and
finally,
a
study
item
on.
Well,
let
me
back
up
the
miscellaneous
issues,
ordinance
that
is
a
study
discussion
and
then
another
study,
discussion
of
the
sign,
ordinance
updates.
C
C
So
if
anybody's
watching
from
home
and
interested
in
serving
on
the
Planning
Commission
definitely
submit
an
application,
it
hasn't
opened
yet,
but
it
will
soon
and
would
be
available
on
the
Planning
Commission
website
in
the
near
future.
We
hope
to
have
a
new
commissioner
on
board
by
mid-november
and
then
Commissioners.
If
you
know
of
people
that
may
be
interested,
please
encourage
them
to
apply
as
well.
C
A
A
I
think
that's
probably
one
of
the
best
ways
to
know
what
it
is
that
you
might
be
potentially
signing
up
for,
and
so
I
think.
Anyone
here
at
this
table
would
be
happy
to
share
their
experience
with
you
or
answer
questions
you
have
and
so
I.
You
know,
really
look
forward
to
see
who
else
who
can
get
to
join
us
other
items
for
that
anyone
would
like
to
raise
commissioner
cookton.
K
K
I
hope
we're
letting
them
know,
because
if
they
don't
find
out
until
somebody's
speaking
in
front
of
them
on
Monday
night
I,
don't
think
it
has
the
proper
impact
that
our
commission
should
have
we're
an
advisory
commission
and
they
should
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
certainly
hope
they
do
so
I.
Guess
that's
a
general
comment,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
us
having
agenda
items
on
the
following
Monday's
meeting
with
the
city
council.
A
For
a
point
of
procedure,
given
the
direction
that
or
the
outcome
of
one
item
is,
is
there?
Is
the
staff
typically
have
some
communication
with
either
through
the
city
manager
to
the
council
or
how
would
the
pressure
is
cooked
in
this
point?
How,
prior
to
a
staff
presentation
on
Monday,
is
there
a
way
that
that
action
would
be
communicated.
C
Future
Commissioners
we'll
discuss
that
further
with
engineering.
Typically,
the
city
council
would
be
notified
via
a
newsletter
that
comes
out
Friday
so
tomorrow
that
would
be
one
area
of
notification
and
then
certainly
in
the
presentation
Monday
night
before
the
city
council,
that
would
be
a
second
okay.
A
I
think,
given
that
there
is
typically
a
notification
on
Friday
that
feels
probably
better
than
a
not
at
all
until
Monday,
but
I
think
I
would
agree
with
that
again.
Our
general
practice
is
10
days
from
an
item
on
our
agenda
until
a
city
council,
and
so
perhaps
in
the
future,
and
some
others
will
be
here
next
summer
when
the
rules
and
procedure
are
reviewed.
That
may
be
something
that
may
be
good
to
bring
up
at
that
time.
Yeah.
K
If
staff
could
make
a
note
for
us
to
think
about
that
in
our
next
rules
of
procedure
or
I,
guess
that
would
be
their
rules
of
procedure.
I
don't
know,
but
if
staff
could
make
a
note
for
that
to
be
reviewed
would
be
appreciated,
and
by
that
I
mean
formalizing,
something
that
says
they
can't
have
it
within
this
many
days
of
our
meeting.
F
Curry
I
guess
thank
you,
chair
I,
guess
I
should
just
say
thank
you
to
the
city
staff,
because
I
had
not
done
that
in
any
way,
while
I
was
making
points
and
asking
some
very
specific
questions.
So
my
apologies
for
you
know
not
appreciating
and
making
a
point
of
your
efforts
and
being
here
late
at
night
on
a
Thursday.
So
thank
you.