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From YouTube: July 22, 2021 Planning Commission Meeting
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Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
planning
commission
for
the
blooming
city
of
bloomington
for
july
22nd
2021,
the
planning
commission
is
comprised
of
seven
volunteer,
bloomington
residents
appointed
by
the
city
council.
Tonight
we
have
six
present.
The
commission
is
advisory
to
the
council
for
most
items.
The
commission
makes
recommendations
and
the
council
has
the
final
decision-making
authority.
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In
certain
cases,
the
planning
commission
can
approve
or
deny
an
application
subject
to
an
appeal
to
the
city
council,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
those
items
tonight
for
each
item.
There
will
be
a
staff
report,
an
opportunity
for
the
applicant
to
present
and
then
time
for
any
member
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
provide
testimony
before
we
begin.
Our
first
order
of
business
is
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
Please
stand
as
you
are
able.
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The
tenant
space
is
in
yellow
it's
approximately
six
000
square
feet.
It
was
the
former
nordic
sports
tenant
space.
The
pool
hall
is
proposing
to
have
22
pool
tables
with
tournaments,
and
the
operator
previously
operated
a
billiards
hall
at
morgan
circle
shops
in
the
1990s
and
in
the
bottom
left
right
corner.
I
have
just
a
photo
from
penn
avenue.
Looking
at
the
tenant
space
here
are
the
submitted
plans.
As
I
said
on
the
previous
slide,
they're
proposing
22
tables,
that's
kind
of
scattered
throughout
the
space.
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There
is
a
bench,
seating
kind
of
around
the
perimeter
of
the
space,
and
then
there
will
be
food
and
non-alcoholic
beverages
for
purchase
and
environmental
health
application
is
required
to
review
those
those
items.
And
then
I
just
want
to
stress,
for
the
public's
benefit
that
no
alcoholic
beverages
is
proposed
to
be
on
site
and
it's
not
allowed
on
site.
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So
that's
what
I
have
for
the
floor
plans
and
then
a
couple
miscellaneous
items
parking
is
compliant.
There's
enough
parking
at
penn
lake
center
to
accommodate
this
use.
The
outdoor
lighting
is
also
compliant
and
then
upon
review
of
the
landscaping.
There
are
some
missing
trees,
so
they
will
have
to
replace
those
and
a
revised
landscaping
plan
is
required
before
they
get
their
building.
Permit
then,
a
couple
items
on
a
public
safety.
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The
applicant
is
proposing
hours
of
operation
from
10
a.m,
to
2
a.m,
sunday
to
thursday
and
then
friday
to
saturday
24
hours
staff
is
recommending
some
revised
conditions
related
to
the
hours
of
operation
due
to
those
safety
concerns,
and
we
do
have
jeff
giles
deputy
chief
of
police
who
is
available
here.
If
he
could
say
a
few
words
right
now,.
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Good
evening,
do
I
have
to
sign
in
here
or
not?
Okay,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
followed
the
rules.
My
name
is
jeff
giles.
I
am
the
deputy
chief.
We
mike
our
interim
chief
hartley
and
I
met
with
mr
webster
yesterday
to
talk
about
this
site.
Obviously,
as
a
police
department
we're
always
concerned,
any
businesses
that
are
open
all
night
long
seem
to
drive
a
lot
of
calls
and
stuff
on
and
off
throughout
the
year.
While
having
worked
here
a
long
time,
I
happened
to
work
that
area
back
in
the
90s.
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When
crown
billiards
was
open
and
and
dealt
with
a
few
things
up
there
over
time,
like
we
do
at
any
of
our
businesses
that
are
open
all
night
long.
So
we
expressed
our
concerns
regarding
loud
music
that
we
see
taking
place
on
and
off
with
any
business.
That's
open
that
late.
We
deal
with
those
issues.
Now
there
are
businesses
that
are
open
all
night
long.
Mr
webster
explained
what
his
plan
was
for
that,
but
we
expressed
the
idea
of
disputes
that
can
often
take
place
at
competitive
spots
like
a
billiards
place.
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That
brings
out
some
arguments
and
things
like
that
at
times,
but
those
are
things
that
I
think
mr
webster
explained
to
us
that
he's
ready
to
deal
with.
But
again
the
parking
lot
is
the
stuff
that
concerns
us
most
as
a
police
department
and
the
things
we
get
the
most
complaints
of,
because
usually
businesses
managers
they're
inside
their
businesses
pretty
well.
So
that's
about
the
limit
of
our
concerns,
especially
since
there
isn't
going
to
be
alcohol
involved,
even
though
you
know,
I
think,
naturally,
you
think
a
business.
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The
first
one
is
limiting
the
hours
of
operation
to
six
a.m,
to
two
a.m
or
prohibited
between
two
2
am
and
6
am,
and
the
second
one
is:
should
there
be
any
issues
as
identified
in
chapter
12
that
the
operation
seizes
between
9
and
2
am
until
they
prepare
a
public
safety
plan?
That's
re,
reviewed
and
approved
by
our
bloomington
police
department.
That
goes
over
those
issues,
and
then
we
have
received
six
emails
and
two
phone
calls.
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Yes,
thank
you
vice
chair,
commissioner
golzman.
The
trash
is
basically
where
you
can
see.
My
mouse
is
a
shared
corridor
space
back
in
the
back
of
the
building
they're
not
allowed
to,
based
on
some
aerial
photos
that
I
was
looking
at.
There
was
some
dumpsters
outside
those
have
to
be
stored
inside
in
the
trash
space.
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Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
this
question
is
probably
for
the
applicant,
so
we
have
the
stadium
for
sports
activities
for
our
schools,
bloomington
schools,
it's
just
across
the
street,
from
the
place,
and
I
understand
that
this
will
be
open
for
people
ages
18
up.
So
how
are
you
planning
to
or
what
or
what
is
the
plan
to
know
exactly
that
the
people
that
you're
getting
in
your
place
would
be
people
who
are
actually
18
up?
I
I
Those
are
two
intensive
uses.
So
I
guess
my
question
is
one
for
their
proposed
24-hour
activities
and
then
why
and
I'm
not
too
familiar
with
what
happens
in
a
pool
hall.
So
it's
just
my
lack
of
knowledge
in
that
sense
about
the
youth
specifically,
but
I
imagine,
based
on
what
I
have
seen,
it
would
be
in
a
lot
of
comments
that
I've
read
from
the
residents
the
uses
proposed
are
too
intense
compared
to
residential
and
the
business
commercial
strip.
That's
happening.
I
I
do
understand
a
lot
of
the
commercial
activities
on
that
strip
are
neighborhood
services,
retail
sales
and
services,
but
this
takes
it
up
a
notch
and
also
with
the
activities
in
the
business,
but
also
with
the
extended
extended
use
hours,
and
I
don't
think
that
was
a
comment.
Question
was
more
like
a
comment,
but
I
guess
how
was
it
are
there
similar
similar
uses
in
the
code
that
are
high
functioning
right
adjacent
to
residential
uses?
I
And
I
apologize
if
that's
not
clear,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
process
is
based
on
what
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
about
the
residential
concerns
and
I've
been
to
the
site.
The
fence
is
super
low,
it's
a
it's
an
older
fence
and
we
were
earlier
talking
about
that.
It
is
you
know,
one
portion
of
it
is
not
really
fully
fenced
in
it's
still
open
to
the
residential
areas.
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D
Thank
you
vice
chair,
commissioner,
abdi
I'll
try
to
take
a
stab
at
that
question,
so
this
fits
under
our
indoor,
entertainment
and
recreation,
kind
of
umbrella
definition
in
our
code
and
it's
a
conditional
use
and
the
22
tables.
As
you
can
see
in
the
conditions,
it
is
limited
to
the
22
tables
unless
they
get
approval
from
the
planning
manager.
So
this
22
tables
is
kind
of
set
until
if
they
decide
to
expand,
then
they
have
to
get
approval
for
that.
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So,
thank
you
vice
chair,
I
think
actually,
what
it's
trying
to
get
at
is
if
there
are
any
issues
that
we
would
cease,
operation
between
9,
00
p.m
and
2
a.m,
to
get
at
kind
of
the
night
time
activities.
If
that's
what
the
issue
is,
I'm
not
sure
where
the
9
o'clock
time
came
from,
but
maybe
it's
because
it's
the
beginning
of
kind
of
that
that
nighttime
activity
is
when
it
would
have
to
cease
operation,
and
then
it
could
open
up
back
up,
provided
that
they
provide
a
public
safety
plan.
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I
don't
think
that
I
think
that,
where
that
the
later
hours
were
kind
of
being
driven
by
was
if
we
have
a
big
tournament
and
they're
during
the
week,
for
example,
tuesday
and
wednesday
or
wednesday
and
thursday
et
cetera
example,
what
if
they
usually
start
in
the
evenings,
people
get
off
work
five,
six
o'clock.
If
you
have
a
sign
up
at
six
or
six
thirty
and
start
at
seven,
you
know
if
you
get
30
or
40.
That
could
go
a
ways
and
the
biggest
question
was
okay.
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We
want
to
be
allies
of
the
neighborhood.
If
there's
something
I
can
do
to
help
that
I
will
there's
not
going
to
be
we're
talking
about
loud
music
that
I'm
not
putting
up
with
that.
Not
at
my
age
and
I'm,
you
know
we
came
up
with
a
safety
plan
with
the
bloomington
pd.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
copies
of
it.
I
did
email
it
to
elizabeth
today.
L
I
guess
from
what
I've
heard
and
after
what
deputy
giles
said
about
where
the
problems
are
coming
from
and
ongoing,
I
would
like
to
know
he
said.
Ihop
was
a
problem,
especially
at
the
bars
afterwards,
if
ihop
has
been
given
the
same
sanctions
as
I
am
being
given,
I
think
it
should
be
fair
across
the
board,
regardless
of
what
the
name
of
the
business
is.
If
they're
a
national
franchise
or
a
private
individual
business
privately
held,
I
think
that
that
should
be
itemized
a
little
bit
better
or
clarified
I'll.
L
Go
to
the
let's
see
mrs
corman
about
the
kids.
We're
not
serving
alcohol,
so
they're
allowed
in
park
and
rec
wants
a
bike
rack,
but
we
still
have
to
adhere
by
the
curfews
of
the
city
of
bloomington,
which
is
17,
is
11
o'clock.
I
believe
I
haven't
read
all
the
details,
but
I
will
and
16
or
15
and
above
was
10.
I
think
it
was
but
and
that's
it
has
to
be
in
line
with
hennepin
county.
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They
want
to
play,
I
I
don't
want
to
say
no,
I
don't
want
to
discourage.
There
is
junior
leagues
that
are
going
to
be
playing
there
too
and
there's
you
know
their
parents
show
up
because
they're
all
highly
highly
competitive.
So
I
just
have
to
follow
the
guidelines.
I
guess
it's
not
much.
I
can
bend
there.
A
I
Thank
you,
sir,
for
being
here
and
for
putting
up
with
all
the
questions
that
are
coming.
Your
way,
that's
perfect!
I
I
am
very
sympathetic
to
entrepreneurs,
and
I
you
know
I
do
especially
after
recovering
trying
to
recover
from
covid
business
is
being
impacted,
so
I
do
want
to
see
bloomington
thrive.
Do
you
want
to
see
new
businesses.
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I
And
your
comment
earlier
about
the
uses
or
the
zoning
comment
about
you
know
the
business
component
and
it
being
closer
to
residential.
That
is
definitely
a
zoning
land
use
concern,
but
I
guess
the
question
I
had
more
directly
is
right
now
you're
not
applying
for
liquor,
but
is
there
any
future?
I
am
not.
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L
I
grew
up
on
91st
and
russell
which,
if
you
all
know
bloomington
that
that's
very
close
to
this
location.
My
family
moved
to
the
west
side
of
bloomington
in
68,
so
I'm
I'm
real
familiar
with
bloomington.
The
thought
is
this
and
I'll
tell
you
right
up
front,
but
it's
a
huge
money
thing
to
ever.
Do
this?
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L
All
they
served
was
3-2
beer
and
the
best
hamburgers
and
cheeseburgers,
and
I'm
sure
jeff
ate
there
a
few
times.
He
must
have
he's
been
here.
29
years
we
have
an
option
for
3
400
square
feet
right
to
the
north
next
section
of
us
and
the
conversation
has
come
up,
but
the
cost
is
really
expensive
and
so
it
I
can't
say
yes
to
your
question.
I
can't
say
no,
I'm
just
gonna
say
that
the
conversation
has
come
up
for
that.
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I
Who's
responsible
in
this,
for
both
staff
and
applicant
who's
responsible
for
the
upkeep
of
that
fence
to
ensure
that
late
night
lingering
does
not
allow
crossover
to
residential
areas
and
these
properties-
and
these
are
people's
backyards,
and
you
know
sometimes
they
could
be
enjoying
and
sitting
in
the
night
of
their
properties.
And
you
know
you
have
a
random
person
just
walking
in.
L
Right,
the
lady
directly
behind
the
center
did
stress
some
concerns
about
that,
but
I
did
drive
along
that
fence
and
on
the
on
the
east
side,
all
the
way
from
90th
all
the
way
up
to
the
far
northeast
corner.
It's
solid.
I
looked
at
it,
pretty
close,
it's
an
older
fence,
but
it's
pretty
solid.
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
say
in
that
matter.
Ma'am.
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J
Thanks
mr
chair
question
for
staff.
Actually,
I
believe
we
have
a
process
through
the
city
that,
if
you
do
want
to
have
like
a
one-off
late
evening
event
or
something
like
that,
am
I
correct
that
there's
a
process
that
could
do
that
for
a
one
time
say:
he's
got
a
holiday
tournament
or
something
like
that
that
he
could
apply
for
a
past
2
a.m.
Permit.
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A
One
of
the
comments
that
we
had
heard
from
the
public
was
regarding
kind
of
some
and
again.
This
is
not
from
your
business,
clearly
you're,
not
there
yet,
but
some
of
the
issues
that
they
were
experiencing,
with
the
public
being
in
the
rear
in
the
loading
zone
area
fairly
or
unfairly
anything
after
10
o'clock,
then
essentially,
if
you're
the
only
tenant
operating
there.
Do
you
have
any
plans
for
how
you
think
you
may
be
able
to
mitigate
that
impact.
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The
city
is
going
to
get
bombarded
with
negative
response
from
that
neighborhood
because
it's
going
to
be
shining
in
their
houses
all
night
long.
So
it's
really
a
double-edged
sword.
I
I
don't
know
what
to
do
about
that.
I
I
don't
have
the
answer.
You
know
I.
I
can
really
control.
We
can
really
control
inside.
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L
A
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
a
public
hearing,
so
we
will
provide
an
opportunity
for
members
of
the
public.
You
can
have
a
seat
if
you
wish.
Thank
you.
Will
I
be
able
to
address
after
what
will
happen?
Is
the
public
will
raise?
Actually
again,
this
part
of
the
of
the
sure
phase,
the
public
will.
Each
member
of
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
will
have
three
minutes.
L
A
And
the
commission
will
listen,
maybe
take
some
notes
and
then
at
that
point
the
commission
once
the
public
hearing
is
closed,
the
commission
will
move
into
discussion
and
if
there
are
items
that
were
raised
by
the
public
that
the
commission
feel
they
need
additional
information
on.
They
may
follow
up
with
with
you
or
with
staff.
All
right.
Thank
you.
A
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
do
limit
the
public
comment
to
three
minutes
per
individual
on
this
item
and
we
will
start
with
those
in
the
chamber
who
wish
to
speak,
and
then
we
will
see
if
there's
anyone
online.
If
you
do
wish
to
speak,
I'd,
ask
you
please
come
forward
to
the
podium
sign
in
on
the
sheet
for
the
record
state,
your
name
and
then
you
may
speak.
B
A
B
B
A
B
B
B
B
A
N
Hello,
commission,
my
name
is
mike
barth,
I'm
a
resident
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
concerns
have
already
been
brought
up.
One
is
on:
if
trash
gets
out
of
hand
who's
responsible,
is
it
the
property
owner?
It's
outside
the
business
that's
being
considered
here,
we
will
also
see
because
of
the
hours
of
operation
more
traffic
through
those
intersections
in
the
parking
lots.
There's
a
convenience
store
right
across
the
street
penn
avenue.
N
N
N
We're
used
to
not
having
traffic
late
at
night
in
that
area
and
it'll
have
to
be
a
mindset,
change
for
the
residents
that
are
there
to
be
more
diligent
from
that
standpoint,
so
just
awareness
for
public
safety
in
general
and
is
there
lighting
or
something
else
or
on
the
streets?
We
can't
control
where
people
cross.
I'm
aware
of
that.
N
C
F
G
In
fact,
the
fact
that
this
space
is
vacant
lends,
for
my
perception,
lends
more
to
crime
and
crime
behavior
and
that
there
be
more
activity
and
potentially
a
dedicated
owner
who's.
Paying
attention
to
what's
on
the
site
is
probably
a
really
good
thing,
not
only
for
residential,
but
for
all
of
the
businesses
in
that
strip
mall.
So
I
think
I
can
be
in
support
of
the
project,
given
these
additional
conditions.
A
C
A
C
C
A
Thank
you.
I
think,
as
we
continue
on
this
conversation,
if
this
was,
if
this
were
to
move
forward,
I
would,
I
would
think
we
would
want
that
to
be
a
little
clearer
both
for
the
neighbors
as
well
as
for
the
applicant
to
understand
what
is
and
isn't,
allowable
or
acceptable
or
at
what
level
does
something
become
an
issue?
I
just
think
it's
it
would
be.
It
would
be
beneficial
to
all
involved
if
this
does
move
forward,
and
that
was
clear.
I
Thank
you
chair,
ms
o'day,
do
you
have,
or
can
you
put
up,
if
possible,
the
required
findings
for
the
conditional
use?
So
it
is
my
understanding
and
correctly
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
for
conditional
use
to
be
approved,
there
are
specific
required
analysis
done
and
it
was
already
done
by
staff
in
the
staff
report,
the
analysis
that
looks
at
specific
required
requirements
and
often
times
it
is
my
belief
that
we
might
be
limited
to
these
reviews
and
I'm
sure
other
issues
would
come
up.
I
That
would
have
us
ask
a
lot
more
questions
that
might
not
be
addressed
in
the
required
findings,
but
what
I'm
struggling
with
in
this
application
is
required.
Number
required
finding
number
five,
which
is
the
proposed
use,
will
not
be
injurious
to
the
thank
you
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood
or
otherwise
harm
the
public,
health,
safety
and
welfare,
and
you
can
see
the
staff
analysis
in
that
portion
right.
There.
I
I
do
believe
that
the
uses
are
not
compatible.
I
know
the
the
district,
the
way
the
uses
are
zoned
or
the
properties
are
zoned
allow
for
commercial
activities,
sure
it
does
allow
for
indoor
entertainment
and
the
type
of
indoor
entertainment
proposed
in
this
application
is
a
pool
hall
and
the
staff
has
mentioned
in
the
report.
I
I
think
on
page
18
that
there
is
not
a
specific
code
requirement
about
how
to
deal
with
pool
halls,
so
there
is
a
wiggle
room
and
based
on
my
reading
and
a
lot
of
the
concerns
brought
up
here
and
considering
that
the
applicant
is
a
tenant
and
not
a
property
owner,
and
considering
that
the
fence
in
question
is
one
of
the
major
issues
that
creates
the
hazardous
potential
hazardous,
that
the
people
using
the
business
when
they
attend
or
after
the
they
leave
the
space
or
they
linger
will.
Eventually.
I
I
I
I
do
want
to
see
a
you
know
you
being
in
many
in
excuse
me
in
bloomington,
and
I
do
want
to
you
know
see
you
succeed
here
in
bloomington,
but
it
is
challenging
to
see
two
uses
that
are
so
in
that
incompatible
in
the
same
location,
even
though
the
code
allows
it
generally.
As
an
indoor
entertainment,
there
are
so
many
different
indoor
entertainments
that
each
brings
unique
conditions
to
the
site.
I
personally
feel
that,
based
on
this
finding
here,
the
use
is
not
meeting
the
required
finding
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
J
Thanks,
mr
chair,
you
know
I
had
a
slightly
different
viewpoint
on
this
when
I
read
the
application
about
the
the
24
hours
and
it's
no
longer
really
part
of
the
application,
but
it
actually
was
something
that
was
of
great
interest
to
me.
When
I
was
in
high
school,
I
over
the
summers
worked
the
night
shift.
I
worked
7
p.m
to
7
a.m.
J
Six
days
a
week
and
on
that
seventh
day,
when
I
didn't
work,
I
was
still
up
from
7
p.m,
to
7
a.m,
and
it
sure
would
have
been
nice
to
have
somewhere
to
recreate
or
spend
time,
and
so
I
actually
am
a
little
disappointed,
we're
not
exploring
24
hours
with
this,
but
we
are
where
we
are,
and
so
the
other
thing
that's
that's
sort
of
come
up
that
I
think
about
is
benefit
of
the
doubt.
You.
C
J
J
The
there
is
a
process
in
place
if,
if
nuisances
are
happening,
that
you
can
file
a
complaint
and
with
these
additional
conditions
of
approval,
if
there
are
complaints,
the
the
hours
of
operations
change
based
on
those
complaints,
and
so
I
am
going
to
take
the
path
of
assuming
that
we
have
an
owner
that
is
acting
in
good
faith
and
that
I
I
don't
I'm
not
willing
to
assume
bad
things
are
going
to
happen
before
they've
happened.
I'm
not
I'm
not
in
that
position.
J
So
I
also
think
the
other
tenants
are
going
to
benefit
from
this.
We
have
an
eatery.
We
have
maybe
a
couple
eateries
in
that
strip,
mall
and
I'm
sure
they'll
be
very
happy
to
have
tournaments
around
and
people
filling
up
their
establishments
as
well
in
a
corridor
that
could
probably
use
some
more
business
and
more
commercial
activity.
So
I
am
in
support
of
this
application
today.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
not
to
fight
with
miss
corman,
you
know
I
wrote
a
couple
of
bullet
points
down
while
we
were
talking
here
and-
and
I
think
I
agree
with
commissioner
abdi
is-
we
are
concerned
about
the
property
owner
and
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
there
versus
the
tenant,
and
so
we
look
at
the
fence
and
the
lighting
plan
or
the
the
landscaping
plans.
That's
really
the
responsibility
of
the
owner
of
the
property,
not
so
much
the
tenant.
F
So
I
kind
of
have
to
take
that
aside
and
and
look
at
it
from
you
know
this
act,
this
application,
this
use,
I
am
leaning
towards
when
we
look
at
condition
the
second
condition
on
the
hours
of
operation.
Based
on
this
the
safety
plan.
We
have
heard
that
the
safety
plan
has
been
submitted.
It
still
needs
to
be
reviewed
and
approved,
but
I
like
to
look
at
it
from
a
consistency
perspective
of
a
10
pm
from
a
noise
ordinance
level
and
just
from
an
overall
looking
at.
F
I
think
this
gives
them
some
opportunities
and
we've
had
other
applications
like
this
within
the
city
you
know
for
smaller
children,
we've
got
those
bounce
house
locations.
A
few
months
ago
we
had
a
card
game
tournament
location.
I
think
it's
great
to
have
these
local
businesses
give
people
of
all
ages
and
all
abilities
and
all.
F
Types
of
people
you
know
places
to
to
do
something
different,
and
so
I
think
it's
great
I
I
am
concerned
about
you
know.
Obviously
you
know
butting
up
to
residential,
but
I
think
with
how
it
is
currently
zoned
how
it
currently
is
structured.
I
think
that
we
are
bound
within
the
current
zoning
requirements,
so
I'm
I'm
in
in.
I
am
in
support
of
this
application
and
just
with
the
the
minor
change
of
the
10
pm,
that's
all.
I
have
thanks.
H
H
Okay,
so
I've
always
said
that
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
continue
to
bring
more
business
opportunities
to
bloomington,
as
well
as
opportunities
for
recreation
and
activities
for
families,
and
especially
considering
that
our
teenagers
and
children
need
more
places
that
they
can
go
to
and
spend
time
together.
So
I'm
always
a
big
advocate
for
those
type
of
situations
where
we
can
provide
those
type
of
opportunities
for
our
kids.
H
You
know,
sometimes
they
don't
find
enough
to
do
in
bloomington,
it
seems
like,
and
then
they
end
up
in
other
situations
right
or
they
end
up
going
to
other
cities
looking
for
those
places
where
they
can
find
it.
However,
I
do
have
to
say
I
do
have
a
big
concern
regarding
beyond
the
times
and
it's
more
related
to
the
the
well-being
of
the
community,
especially
our
school
community.
H
So
the
stadium
is
just
across
the
street
from
where
the
place
where
we're
talking
about-
and
we
know
that
during
the
times
when
there
are
football
games,
we
have
a
lot
of
students
different
ages,
attending
those
games
and
we
have
a
lot
of
families
and
at
the
end
of
the
night
we
see
them.
We
see
how
dangerous
it
is
when
they're
crossing
the
street,
because
they're
not
looking
there's
the
amount
of
traffic
that
goes
in
that
area,
it's
unbelievable
at
that
time
of
the
night.
H
It's
always
been
a
concern
that
I
have
had
in
the
past
too,
all
the
traffic
related
situation,
but
then
they
also
end
up
hanging
out.
You
know,
after
the
game
it
doesn't
end
there.
Let's
go
see
what
else
we
can
do,
let's
find
something
else
to
do
so
they
end
up
in
different
spots
around
the
corners
of
that
same
area
until
really
really
late
in
the
night
and
what
happens
after
that?
A
lot
of
different
things
happen.
H
H
I
mean
it
gets
out
of
control
if
he
gets
out
of
control
inside
a
classroom.
You
can
imagine
you
know
in
this
type
of
situation,
so
I
I
have
to
say
that
as
much
as
I
as
much
as
I
support
bringing
new
opportunities
for
for
stu
for
teenagers
for
a
community
of
different
activities
to
do,
I
just
don't
believe
this
is
the
right
spot
for
that
plus
there
are
a
lot
of
residential
there's
a
residential
zone.
H
There
there's
a
lot
of
homes
with
young
kids
and
I
really
worry
of
what
could
happen
any
time
of
the
day
and
also
okay,
there's
not
going
to
be
alcohol.
That
will
be
served,
but
maybe
later
on,
there
will
be
alcohol
that
will
be
served
and
also
the
the
risk
of
the
amount
of
people
that
could
be
driving
at
that
during
the
specific
times
of
the
day,
too,
will
be
probably
under
the
influence
of
the
alcohol.
H
So
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
good
place
for
for
many
of
our
students
to
find
themselves
all
of
a
sudden
in
a
tough
situation
or
in
a
dangerous
situation.
So
I
for
the
safety
of
the
of
the
children
of
this
community.
I
cannot
support
this.
I
would
support
it
if
it
was
in
a
different
area,
but
not
in
that
area.
A
We
don't
want
to
see
happen
at
12,
1,
2
and
beyond,
which
then
goes
to
the
question
about
future
alcohol
licensing
and
the
behavior
that
goes
with
that.
You
know.
Certainly
you
could
have
people
who
roll
in
at
12
after
they've
been
imbibing
somewhere
else.
That
can
happen
anywhere.
That
could
happen
at
you
know
a
restaurant
four
blocks
down
or
wherever
that
may
be.
I
hear
that
we've
had
that
residents
have
experienced
issues
with
litter
that,
at
least
in
the
the
comments
we've
received
have
been
perhaps
related
to
the
liquor
store.
A
A
I
I
feel
I
also
given
that
the
orientation
of
the
of
the
strip
center,
where
the
bulk
of
the
parking
is,
does
not
face
the
residential
that
is
facing
to
penn
avenue
which
right
across
the
street,
has
a
service
station,
which
I
don't
know
the
hours
of
it.
But
I
feel
like
it's
open,
pretty
late,
if
not
all
night.
A
A
You
need
to
create
that
barrier
that
keeps
people
from
moving,
and
you
know
that
may
be
inconvenient
for
some
of
the
neighbors
who
like
to
cut
through
there
and
get
something
from
the
roast
beef
place
or
the
chinese
place
or
the
dollar
tree.
I
get
that,
but
there's
also
the
negative
that
can
move
through
there
and
you
have
to
be
one
way
or
the
other.
A
It
sounds
like
there
have
been
some
issues
with
compliance
on
the
screening.
I
don't
know
given
what
we
heard,
that
there
is
not
a
history
of
complaints.
I
I
would
encourage
if
this
does
go
forward.
I
would
encourage
the
neighbors
to
use
that
process
with
the
staff
to
encourage
enforcement
of
that,
because
these
are
conditions
of
a
property
and
if
those
conditions
are
not
being
met,
we
have
environmental
health
staff
whose
job
it
is
to
make
sure
that
those
are
happening.
A
I
you
know
the
anecdote
we
heard
of
of
three
months
to
get
a
fence
fixed
is
unacceptable
because
that's
impacting
someone's
quality
of
life
and
and
enjoyment
of
their
property.
So
I
agree
that
there
are
potential
issues
I
think
one
of
the
commissioners
talked
about
with
the
property
owner
versus
the
business
owner
and
given
that
those
are
not
one
in
the
same,
it
is
a
challenging
situation.
I
think
I,
with
the
modified
conditions
not
being
a
24-hour
property
and
with
the
the
as
well.
A
I
want
to
be
fair
to
the
applicant
about
what
would
be
the
number
of
incidents
also
for
the
neighbors
to
know
that
you
know
what
does
that
mean?
You
know
if,
if
the
neighbors
find
that
there's
20
times
when
there's
something
happens,
but
that
number
is
undefined
or
if
for
the
applicant,
if
it's
undefined
and
it's
two,
it
needs
to
be
fair
to
both
parties.
A
So
I
would
like
us
to
have
some
sort
of
a
position
on
that
if
this
moves
forward,
so
if
it
was
going
to
move
forward,
I
would
like
to
see
I
would
agree
with
the
10
pm,
as
suggested
by
commissioner
goldsmith,
and
I
would
want
to
see-
and
I
could
look
to
staff
for
some
suggestions
or
if
we
have
similar
guidance
on
that
elsewhere,
that
we've
approved
cups
that
have
this,
but
I
I
feel
like
it
needs
to
be
a
little
more
tightly
defined.
Just
for
the
fairness
of
everybody.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
mr
marker
guard,
or
ms
o'day,
going
back
to
a
question.
I
asked
earlier
about
some
flexibility
in
regarding
a
specific
tournament,
and
there
is,
I
believe,
mr
merkergaard,
you
said
the
condition
as
per
the
conditions
as
before.
Us
would
not
allow
for
that.
What
would
a
modification
look
like
if
we
wanted
to
provide
the
applicant
some
flexibility
to
have
a
an
extended
hours
tournament,
perhaps
once
or
twice
a
year.
C
Yeah,
mr
chair,
commissioner
cookton,
it
would
look
exactly
like
that
you
could
carve
out
an
exception
right
within
the
condition
that
would
say,
except
for
you
know,
however
many
tournaments.
However
many
times
per
year,
he
would
embed
that
right
in
the
condition.
If,
if
that's
something,
the
commission
wanted.
J
That
is
something
I
personally
would
be
interested
in.
I
would
also
be
mr
chair,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
allowed.
I
would
be
curious
if
the
applicant
has
a
number
in
mind
of
number
of
special
tournaments
they
may
have
throughout
a
year
that
could
be
benefited
by
special
hours.
Could
we
ask
the
applicant
that
we
we
could?
L
L
L
G
G
I
do
have
a
concern,
however,
of
who
a
nuisance
would
be
attributed
to
and
how
how
that
would
be
defined,
and
so
I
know
I'm
a
little
bit
piggybacking
off
of
chair
roman's
comment,
but
I
do
think
that
that
does
need
additional
definition,
because
I
think
inherently
with
alcohol,
there
are
nuisance,
behaviors
and
there's
a
likelihood
of
someone,
and
there
were
letters
from
the
public
indicating
that
this
is
the.
This
has
been
something
that
has
happened
in
the
past,
that
folks
purchase
liquor
and
then
walk
through
the
neighborhoods
or
near
the
neighborhoods.
G
A
C
I
It
piqued
my
interest,
instead
of
just
saying
complete
no
to
the
business
that
it
should
be
open
and
I
think
referencing,
some
of
the
residents
like
after
a
certain
period
when
some
of
the
most
most
of
the
businesses
are
closed
on
this
trip,
it's
kind
of
calm
and
it's
neighborly
friendly
neighborhood
friendly
for
the
residents,
and
I
guess
for
consistency.
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
meant
closing
the
the
proposal
for
the
timeline
from
what
is
proposed
here
in
the
revision
to
limiting
the
operations
to
10
pm.
F
Ahead,
oh
thanks,
mr
chair,
it
was
in
regards
to
item
eight
if
there
was
a
verified
nuisance
that
the
closure
would
be
from
ten
to
two
until
the
safety
plan
was
prepared
and
approved
by
police
gotcha,
so
not
changing
the
overall
hours
of
operations.
It
would
just
be
that
contingent
piece
of
response
to
nuisances
within
within
the
business.
F
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
In
response
to
that
question,
I
would
not
only
given
commissioner
roman's
question
or
sorry
chair,
roman's
question
and
response
by
mr
marker
guard
regarding
a
public
comment
period
at
the
city
council.
If
and
when,
or
if
alcohol
is
going
to
be
served,
and
that
would
go
again
go
in
front
of
city
council,
so
I
would
not
support
adding
that.
A
C
Yeah
so
mr
chair,
let's
say
the
applicant
decided
to
open
a
restaurant
and
it
was
adjacent.
A
restaurant,
for
example,
could
serve
alcohol
with
a
license
and
it
would
not
need
a
conditional
use
permit.
It
would
be
permitted,
but
if
the
billiards
hall
was
expanding
into
that
space,
they
would
need
to
revise
the
conditional
use
permit.
Okay,.
A
So
I've
heard
some
different
thoughts
from
the
body.
I
think
the
path
forward,
I
think,
would
be
to
entertain
a
motion
either
like
visual
day
how
to
modify
a
motion
that
included
discuss
the
revisions,
but
I
have
also
heard
some
revisions
here
within
this
group.
So
is
there
someone
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion?
Then
we
can
go
from
there.
Commissioner
cookton.
J
A
So
yes,
what
happens
here
is
the
planning
commission
does
have
final
decision
making
authority
on
conditional
use
permits.
However,
that
is
subject
to
an
appeal.
Anyone
may
make
an
appeal
of
that
decision
to
the
planning
office
by
4
30
pm
on
tuesday
july
27th,
and
in
that
case,
if
there
was
an
appeal
that
would
go
forward
to
the
city
council
for
a
final
decision.
F
Thanks
mr
chair,
one
question
that
I
had
before
making
an
emotion
is:
we
have
talked
about
honing
in
on
what
clarif
or
what's
the
classification
of
a
nuisance?
Do
we
want
to
put
some
boundaries
around
that
terminology,
or
do
we
want
to
rely
on
staff
and
bloomington
police
to
define
what
that
would
be.
C
A
C
A
A
F
Pl2021-133,
having
been
able
to
make
the
required
findings,
I
moved
to
adopt
a
resolution
approving
the
a
conditional
use
permit
for
an
approximately
608
square
foot,
indoor,
entertainment
and
recreation
facility
in
an
existing
multi-tenant
building
at
8901,
penn
avenue
south
subject
to
the
conditions
and
code
requirements
listed
in
the
revised
resolutions
with
two
changes
regarding
item
number:
eight
to
reference
ordinance
code
12.01.01,
as
well
as
add
hours
of
operation,
verification
of
10
pm
from
9
pm
and
identify
three
event.
Situations
as
the
threshold
for
nuisance.
A
We
have
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
second
motion
and
a
second
for
case
for
this
excuse
me
emotion
in
a
second
for
the
subject:
application
with
modifications
to
referencing
city
code,
modifying
the
hours
of
restriction
to
10
pm
and
setting
a
three
incident
threshold
for
number
eight
to
trigger.
Before
we
go
into
any
further
discussion,
I
see
we
have
city
staff.
I
see
attorney
here.
B
B
D
H
A
A
M
M
And
I
will
run
through
these
slides
here
for
you
quickly.
It's
fairly
straightforward
pet
service
facilities
are
conditional
use
in
the
b2
zoning
district
and
the
reason
being
is
to
mitigate
and
abate
nuisance
characteristics
that
can
arise
from
pet
related
activities
or
services.
So
that's
the
reason
why
the
condition
use
permit
is
required.
In
this
case,
the
bloomington
shops
is
located
at
the
corner
of
lindale
and
86th
street,
pretty
well
known
retail
center.
M
Here
in
bloomington,
the
existing
chuck
and
don
space
is
highlighted
in
green,
so
they
would
expand
to
the
south
into
the
vacant
space.
You
see
they're
identified
in
yellow
it's
about
a
50
percent
expansion.
The
existing
space
is
just
over
4
000
square
feet.
The
adjacent
space
is
just
under
2
000
square
feet.
M
M
G
M
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
one
question
I
have
is,
since
this
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
grooming
business.
Does
the
applicant
plan
on
boarding
animals
during
the
day
or
during
you
know,
before
and
after
their
service
and
a
follow-up
question
to
that
is?
Is
there
a
plan
for
in
an
area
to
for
animals
for
relief
there
to
do
their
business
outside
of
the
location.
M
Yeah,
chair
roman
commissioner
goldsmith,
there's
no
daycare
being
provided
here.
I
did
see
the
kennels
on
the
floor
plan
so
that
can
you
know,
threw
me
off
a
little
bit
and
just
understanding
how
their
business
operates,
but
they
actually
use
those
to
kind
of
help
dry
the
animals
and
get
them
ready
for
kind
of
the
next
phase.
If
you
will
for
the
grooming,
so
it's
really
just
kind
of
a
staging
area,
so
no
daycare
use
proposed
as
far
as
you
know
how
to
deal
with
pet
waste.
I
think
they
provided
you.
A
Thank
you,
mr
johnson.
This
is
a
public
hearing,
so
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
speak
on
this
item,
you
can
come
forward
and
have
a
minute
look.
It
does
here
as
well.
Oh
sorry,
the
applicant
this
is
this
is
what
happens
when
you
get
the
second
tier
with
the
applicant
wish
to
speak
on
this
item.
E
A
G
A
A
G
B
D
G
H
J
A
F
A
O
O
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
next
item
is
related
to
remote
airport
parking
and
development
milestones
that
were
established
as
part
of
the
most
recent
interim
use
permit
for
the
park
and
fly
facility
along
american
boulevard
east.
So
we're
not
discussing
extensions
of
existing
interviews,
permits
or
major
changes
to
past
approvals.
We're
really
focused
in
on
one
of
the
development
milestones
which
I'll
upload
briefly,
but
it
really
depends,
is
when
construction
of
phase
one
is
required
to
begin,
and
so
we'll
I'll
show
you
all.
O
Here's
just
a
three-dimensional
architectural
rendering
of
what
phase
one
will
be
a
very
attractive
building.
You
know:
we've
members
of
the
commission
have
seen
this
before,
but
entirely
residential
development
with
a
lot
of
glass
along
american
boulevard
to
create
a
real
sense
of
place,
as
well
as
a
plaza
along
the
along
the
street.
O
O
But,
as
we've
heard
on
the
radio
in
the
news
everywhere,
there
has
been
some
really
substantial
challenges
with
construction
costs
and
and
that's
causing
a
real
big
problem
for
the
applicant,
so
they're
they're
proposing.
If
you
look
at
the
construction,
start
milestone,
they
would
like
another
year
to
begin
construction,
they've
already
applied
for
the
permit
and
they're
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
towards
getting
a
permit.
I
can
safely
say
they're,
pretty
close
frankly
in
the
spring,
but
ultimately
they're
asking
for
more
time.
O
So
the
previous,
the
current
development
milestone,
is
that
by
september
1st
of
this
year
they
would
commence
construction
and
they
are
seeking
a
delay
to
allow
september
1st
of
next
year
to
start
that
doesn't
preclude
them
from.
If
this
were
to
be
approved,
it
doesn't
preclude
them
from
moving
forward
quicker,
but
it
gives
them
a
maximum
period
of
time
to
begin
construction.
O
This
is
a
graph,
that's
a
few
months
old
at
this
point,
so
obviously
real,
you
know
real
generally.
Everything
is
more
expensive
and-
and
this
isn't
even
representative
of
the
worst
scenario,
but
you
know
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
developers
of
projects
that
it
makes
it
more
difficult
based
on
the
prices,
and
we
have
seen
at
least
one
major
redevelopment
fall
away
because
they
it
just
couldn't
pencil
out.
So
this
is
having
a
real
impact,
but
with
that
we
are
supportive
of
the
delay.
A
A
C
I
O
Commissioner,
that's
a
great
question.
I
think.
Ultimately,
we
have
a
2024,
iup
or
interviews
permit
expiration,
and
you
know
I
want
to
get
ahead
of
myself,
but
I
imagine
staff
wouldn't
be
supportive
of
future
iup
extensions.
The
interviews
permit
itself
for
remote
airport
parking.
I
don't
see,
we
would
be
supportive
of
that
if
phase
one
isn't
at
least
underway,
so
that
that's
really
the
moving
tool
towards
phase
redevelopment
of
the
site
is
really
important
for
continued
interviews.
Permit
expand
extensions.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
one
question:
I
have
and
I'm
sure
it
was
in
the
previous
application.
But
how
long
does
it
typically
take
to
build
this
type
of
facility
and
what
I'm
looking
at
is:
when
would
the
first
resident
be
able
to
move
in
and
understanding
this
delay
or
this
modification?
How
does
that
impact
housing
and
availability
in
bloomington.
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
commissioner
goldsmith.
You
know
it's
hard
to
say
exactly
the
that
what
is
typical
a
typical
timeline,
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
how
much
what
the
conditions
the
soils
are
and
what
sort
of
mitigation
that
might
have
to
happen
for
for
from
project
to
project.
You
know
the
applicant
probably
has
a
better
idea
of
how
long
the
anticipated
construction
timeline
is.
K
K
I
just
have
a
couple
of
comments
before
we
do
that,
trying
to
remember
my
zip
and
there
we
go
again
bill
griffith
representing
the
applicant
address,
8300
norman
center
drive
bloomington
and
we're
just
delighted
to
be
in
front
of
you
delighted,
because
staff
reached
out
to
us
staff
reached
out
to
the
developer
was
proactive,
saw
that
there
was
a
ton
of
work
going
on
in
regard
to
the
construction
plans.
The
building
permits
even
things
like
marketing
and
trademarking
the
project.
K
It's
south
loop
apartments
under
a
trademark,
so
that's
kind
of
kind
of
neat
borrowing
from
the
the
district.
So
a
lot
of
work
and
effort
went
into
getting
to
this
point
and
it
was.
It
was
becoming
clear
in
the
third
round
of
pricing
in
around
march
that
this
was
not
going
to
work
this
year
and
even
if
you
could
say-
and
in
fact
lumber
prices
are
coming
back
down-
they're
not
back
to
normal,
but
even
if
you
could
say
that
we
could,
the
developer
could
order
lumber
and
it
could
be
delivered
to
the
site.
K
There's
no,
there's
really
no
guarantee
on
when
that
lumber
would
show
up
and
and
that's
the
difficulty
we
find
ourselves
in
appliances
much
the
same
anything
that
has
a
computer
chip
in
it
much
the
same.
We've
all
read,
you
know
kind
of
the
tales
of
woe
affecting
the
industry
and
consumer
products
and
and
certainly
commodities
that
would
go
into
this
building.
K
So
I
I
know
that
a
very
good
partnership,
if
we
can
call
it
that
has
been
developed
with
the
city.
The
city
on
the
port
authority
side
is
investing
in
this
project.
To
you
know,
make
sure
there
are
affordable
units
in
the
project,
so
really
good
and
and
partnership
has
been
established,
and
so,
when
the
staff
reached
out
to
us,
we
said
yes
and
by
all
means
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
consider
and
they
didn't.
They
didn't
suggest
that
we
delayed
the
project
they
said.
Basically
are
you
are
you?
K
K
Nobody
wanted
to
do
this
right.
I
mean
nobody
wants
to
continually
update
plans
and
update
schedules,
and
but
it
was
necessary
to
make
sure
that
a
project
that
was
already
on
a
tight
financial
footing,
otherwise
we
wouldn't
be
asking
for
subsidy
really
was
remain
viable
and
and
it's
our
belief
that
that
it
will
be
viable
that
it
will
be
viable
a
year
from
now
that
things
will
hopefully
settle
down.
K
People
want
to
continue
to
build
good
projects
like
this,
and
so
we
really
believe
and
are
committed
to
starting
next
year
and
even
though
the
condition
calls
for
a
year
extension
which
it
did
last
year
in
all
likelihood,
this
would
start
in
late
may
or
early
june
of
next
year,
because
that's
really
the
sweet
spot.
The
road
restrictions
are
off
in
terms
of
construction.
K
K
Kristen
muir
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that's,
I
believe,
the
schedule
so
you're
really
looking
at
folks
moving
in
in
2024,
which
would
be,
which
would
be
timely.
I
will
say-
and
I
just
I
don't
want
to
you-
know-
make
this
more
complicated
than
it
is
because
it
is
really
just
that
one
condition.
K
But
you
would
note
that
if,
if
you're
starting
talking
about
concept
plans
for
phase
two
in
2023,
it's
unlikely
that
you
have
a
second
phase
built
before
the
permit
expires.
So
I
just
wanted
to
create
a
little
bit
of
an
expectation
that
that
we're
not
done
here
and
after
30
years
working
on
this
this
project
and
this
parking
facility.
It's
it's.
I
have
to
say
it's
terrific
to
see
phase
one
this
close
to
to
being
permitted,
and
it's
really
shovel
ready
at
this
point
right.
K
N
Not
really,
I
think
that
you
know
bill
did
a
great
job.
You
know
explaining
it
it's
yeah,
it
has
been
we're.
I
mean
we're
pretty
much
ready
to
go
for
this
project.
It's
just
that.
You
know
we
kept
getting
pricing
back
and
then
you
know
yeah.
It
was
the
supply
chain.
You
know,
even
you
couldn't
even
get
the
materials,
even
if
you
paid
the
higher
price,
and
now
I
don't
even
know
if
you
know
if
the
labor,
if
there's
enough
labor,
that
you'd
want
to
start
a
project
like
this.
N
A
G
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
when
I
first
saw
this
application,
I
thought
oh
they're
removing
the
date
again,
but
you
know
when,
when
I
started
to
look
at
you
know,
obviously
the
supply
chain
challenges
I
live
and
breathe
every
day
working
for
a
manufacturing
company.
I
understand
that
we
we
can't
get
product
even
if
we
pay
for
it.
F
So
even
though
the
the
build
date
is
being
moved,
we're
not
moving
the
overall
target.
So
I
think,
for
those
reasons,
I'm
in
support
of
this
application.
I
think
it
makes
sense.
I
think
if
we
would
deny
the
application,
it
would
actually
hinder
the
project
as
an
overall,
because
the
the
budget
and
and
would
just
not
balance
and
so
to
make
sure
that
we
actually
do
bring
this
affordable
housing
to
bloomington.
I
think
we
we
would
benefit
from
supporting
it,
and
I
will
thanks.
O
O
Mr
chair
commissioner
cookton
well,
ultimately,
they
would.
The
applicant
would
be
required
to
start
construction
by
september
1st,
which
they
probably
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
so.
Then
there
would
be
essentially
a
process
of
enforcement.
I
would
say,
like
you
really
need
to
start
construction
and
then
eventually,
the
city
could
essentially
document
that
the
interim
use
permit
was
no
longer,
in
effect.
O
Frankly,
I'm
not
sure
how
that
gets
implemented
in
a
practical
way.
When
you
have
literally
thousands
of
stalls
in
this
case
over
2000
stalls
that
are
in
operation
every
day,
it's
it's
a
tricky
thing
and
it's
unprecedented
for
the
city
of
bloomington,
essentially
trying
to
cease
a
remote
airport
parking
facility
on
a
particular
day.
So,
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
a
great
answer
on
what
that
would
look
like,
but
they
would
essentially
be
kept
to
the
milestones
as
they
are
today.
G
G
I
think
commissioner
goldsman
also
said
that
so
just
echoing
the
comments
there,
particularly
for
a
project
using
the
opportunity,
housing,
ordinance
and
increasing
affordable
units
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
particularly
the
south
loop,
where
we're
looking
for
more
housing
more
activity.
So
I'm
in
support
of
this
extension.
J
J
What
I
struggle
with
is
similar
to
what
we
dealt
with
with
the
last
application
is
the
teeth
of
it,
the
application
before
us,
and
I'm
not
at
all
in
saying,
there's
an
ill
intent
here,
but
the
the
application
before
us
essentially
says
the
the
financials
don't
pencil
out.
We
need
a
12-month
extension,
and
I
have
concerns
that
12
months
from
now
we'll
hear
the
same
message:
well,
the
the
price
of
concrete
is
high
or
the
price
of
appliances
is
still
high
and
and
what's
the
number
what's
the
metric
that
we
can
have.
J
Is
this
commission
to
say
we
we're
not
going
to
allow
it
12
months
from
now.
You
know
it
would
is,
let's
say
what
is
160
of
of
pre-pandemic
pricing
now.
Well,
what's
what's
that
threshold?
That
gives
us
the
leverage
to
change
to
change
this
decision
12
months
from
now.
Is
it
140
of
pre-pandemic
pricing?
Is
it
105
of
pre-pandemic
pricing
like
I?
J
I
have
concerns
that
the
application
before
us
is
that,
according
to
the
applicant,
the
pricing
doesn't
work
out,
so
so
we're
going
to
allow
an
extension-
and
I
have
a
hard
time
seeing
how
we
change
that
12
months
from
now.
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
enough
teeth
in
there
to
allow
us
to
make
a
different
decision.
J
The
other
thing
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
struggle
with
now
is
is
required
finding
number
one,
and
if
I
apologize
mr
centenary,
if
you
could
pull
up
required
finding
number
one,
do
you
have
that
required?
Finding
number
one
talks
about
allowing
the
application
of
approval
to
not
extend
the
long-term
use
of
interim
use.
Permit
I'm
paraphrasing.
L
N
L
J
J
Well,
I
think
you
could
sort
of
back
backwards,
connect
the
dots
that,
if
we
delay
this
a
year
that
probably
delays
the
ultimate
development
of
the
site
one
year
and
so
all
of
a
sudden,
I
start
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
time
making
required
finding
number
one,
and
so
that's
something
I'm
thinking
about
the
other
thing
I'm
thinking
about
based
on
the
question
I
just
asked,
was
we're
not
really
in
a
position
to
not
allow
this
application
to
move
forward?
I'm
not
looking
for
enforcement
actions.
J
This
sort
of
doomsday
scenario
that
were
at
bloomington
police
department
showing
up
at
the
door
and
saying
these
are
the
conditions
I'm
not
looking
for
that
fight.
I
I
want
this.
I
want
business
happening
in
the
city
of
bloomington.
I
think
the
applicant
is
acting
in
good
faith,
so
we're
not
really
in
a
position
to
not
allow
this.
The
approval
of
this
application,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
think
that
should
preclude
us
from
just
allowing
it
the
way
it's
it's
put
before
us.
J
Like
I
said
I
have
concerns
here
and
I
have
a
hard
time,
particularly
with
the
first
thing
I
mentioned
about
setting
this
precedent
of
according
to
the
applicant,
the
financials
don't
work
out,
so
this
planning
commission
is
going
to
allow
or
the
city
council
is
going
to
allow
an
extension.
I
have
a
hard
time
approving
that
without
more
teeth
into
it,
and
so
I'm
I
feel
I'm
in
a
difficult
position
that
I
don't
want
to
deny
this
application,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
approve
it.
Those
are
my
thoughts
for
now.
A
It's
the
you
know
the
massive
disruption
to
all
of
the
the
systems
and
the
supply
chains
and
businesses
having
to
make
decisions
on
the
spot
that
now
are
having
tails
down
the
road,
because
you
know
car
makers
weren't
sure
they
were
gonna
sell
cars,
they
stopped
ordering
chips
entirely,
and
then
everyone
wanted
them,
and
you
know
on
and
on,
and
so
the
challenge
of
course
in
that
is.
Are
we
going
to
then
find
ourselves
in
three
months
with
so
much
stuff
that
no
one
knows
what
to
do
with,
and
that
is
I
mean.
A
A
A
There
may
not
be
another
one
of
these,
and
certainly
there
was
again
we've
had
extenuating
circumstances
since
then,
but
I
you
know,
I
think
at
least
two
of
us
have
been
given
another
three
years
to
be
on
this
body
when
that
happens
again,
and
so
I
feel
like
that
is
in
in
my
head.
I'm
I'm
generally
comfortable
with
this.
A
If
there
is
a
request
for
more
time
that
that
may
be
compressed
in
some
way.
So
again,
we're
asked
to
make
a
decision
based
on
this.
I
hear
your
observation
about
finding
one,
but
I
think
I
for
me
the
extenuating
circumstances
of
what
we've
gone
through
in
the
moment
and
again
we
may
become.
I
may
come
to
regret
that
comment
and
it
may
turn
out
that
we
end
up
in
this
cycle
for
two
to
three
years
until
things
stabilize,
I
sure
hope
not,
but
that's
been
kind
of
something.
A
I
I'm
in
support
of
the
application,
as
request
applicant's
request
for
the
extension
for
clarifying
clarification
from
staff,
is
the
end
of
the
interim
use.
20
2040
timeline
expected
for
all
phases
to
start
the
construction
or
is
it
the
the
expiration
of
the
interim
use
overall
for
the
entire
site,
or
just
for
that
phase?
One.
O
I
think
you
know
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
this
remote
airport
parking
facility
is,
I
think,
over
12
acres
and
it's
been
in
operation
for
over
30
years,
and
it's
going
to
take
a
number
of
years
to
develop
this
over
time.
So
we're
really
we're
really
focused
on
phase
one
and
look
forward
to
planning
for
phase
two.
But
you
know
we
understand
that
this
is.
This
is
not
gonna
all
develop
at
once,
and
so
we
do
anticipate
future
interviews.
Permanent
extension
applications.
G
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
commissioner
goldsman
said
about
not
moving
any
other
timelines
regarding
construction
of
phase
two.
I
think
that
itself,
based
on
the
discussion
that
we
had
had
previously
about
not
pushing
things
out
and
pushing
things
out
that
signals,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
that
we're
not
looking
at
a
let's
push
it
out
and
push
it
out,
push
it
out.
It's
sort
of
like
this
is
this
is,
like
commissioner,
roman
said
or
chair
roman
said.
F
Thanks
mr
chair
in
case
pl2021-129,
having
been
able
to
make
the
required
findings,
I
moved
to
recommend
city
council
approve
an
interim
use
permit
with
modifications
to
previously
adopted
development
milestones
for
phase
development
at
3700
american
boulevard
east,
subject
to
the
listed
conditions
of
approval
attached
to
the
staff
report.
Second,.
A
H
A
O
Okay,
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
two
in
two
requests
for
90
9201
old
cedar
avenue.
One
is
to
amend
the
comprehensive
plan.
Land
use,
designation,
it's
currently
designated
for
high
density
residential
and
the
applicant
would
like
to
redesignate
redesignate
the
parcel
for
office
and,
along
with
that,
rezone
the
property
from
rm12,
which
is
one
of
our
lower
density,
high
density
districts
to
be
one
neighborhood
office,
which
is
a
frankly
the
the
district
that's
most
appropriate
for
office
being
close
to
residential
uses.
O
So
here's
the
subject
site
outlined
right
along
or
just
east
of
the
southeast
of
the
old
cedar
avenue
and
east
shakopee
intersection.
So
this
is
one
of
the
city
of
bloomington's
commercial
nodes.
In
this
particular
area
we
have
a
mix
of
we
do
have
office.
We
do
have
high
density,
residential
apartment,
buildings,
service
stations,
retail
restaurants,
so
this
is
a
classic
commercial
node
and
again
we
do
see
some
office
uses
within
this
area.
So
it
is
not
foreign
to
this
particular
area
existing
conditions,
so
you
can
see
that
it's
a
two-story
building
relatively
small
building.
O
O
So
here's
kind
of
zooming
out
on
the
the
neighborhood,
if
you
will-
and
these
represent
the
comprehensive
plan
land
use
designations
for
the
for
the
neighborhood
and
you
can
see
the
the
property
outlined
in
red-
is
high
density,
residential
that
brown
color.
And
you
see
that
brown
to
the
north.
You
see
it
to
the
southwest
to
the
northeast.
You
see
office
land
uses,
you
see
that
that
pink
is
general
business.
O
O
So
when
we
present
a
map
like
this,
that's
quite
colorful,
we
know
we're
in
an
area
where
there's
lots
of
land
use
transition,
and
so
we
expect
some
higher
intensity
uses
some
lower
intensity
uses.
So
we're
looking
at
the
compatibility
of
what's
being
proposed
and
it's
just
a
simplified
map
of
what
is
the
existing
designation,
high
density,
residential
and
the
proposed
office.
And
again
there
is
an
office
designation
just
to
the
northeast,
where
there's
a
small
office
building.
O
O
O
O
O
There
is
existing
screening,
as
required
by
code
between
this
site
and
the
single
family
sites
to
the
east
and
the
south,
so
that
would
be
maintained
and
essentially
enhanced
when
if
they
were
to
provide
services
for
their
clients
in
that
play
area-
and
it's
worth
noting
that
this
is
a
community
need.
You
know
these.
These
sorts
of
this,
these
sorts
of
facilities
are
needed
for
for
children
or
parents
with
children
that
have
these
these
sorts
of
needs.
O
So
this
would
provide
a
valuable
service
to
the
community,
and
with
that
we
are
recommending
approval
of
both
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment
to
redesignate
the
property
and
to
rezone
the
property
from
rm,
12
and
b1.
I
believe
the
applicant
was
going
to
join
us
by
phone,
so
they
might
have
some
additional
comments
too.
B
A
F
B
J
And
as
he's
doing
that,
I
I
think
this
is,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
this
application
in
in.
I
think
there
are
multiple
ways
you
could
look
at
this,
certainly
the
the
applicant
themselves
and
the
usage
they
want
to
participate
in
with
this
site.
I
can't
imagine,
there's
any
argument
on
this
commission
about
expanding
the
usage
itself.
It's
a
needed
thing
needed
service
in
this
community,
we're
happy
to
have
it
we'd
like
to
see
more
of
it.
I
I
don't
think
that's
the
issue
before
us.
J
That's
you
know,
that's
a
bit
of
a
a
bit
of
an
incident,
or
it
was
not
that
particular
parcel
was
not
necessarily
designated
to
be
that
it
was
more
of
a
large
grouping.
We've
talked
about
before
on
this
commission
that
the
guiding
of
our
city
is
more
of
a
a
big
picture
thing.
It's
not
necessarily
parcel
by
parcel.
J
However,
in
this
case,
I
think
I
see
it
a
little
differently.
I
think
this
was
pretty
intentional.
The
way
this
corridor
and
this
intersection
has
been
guided.
You
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
high-density
residential
being
proposed
here
and
I
think,
that's
for
good
reason.
We're
looking
for
new
energy
at
this
intersection
and
now
that
you
have
the
new
old
cedar
avenue
bridge
just
to
the
south
of
here.
I
think
it's
even
more
conducive
to
high
density
residential
and
for
me
I
I
see
this
intersection
as
a
place.
J
I'm
looking
to
see
new
development
to
see
new
energy
to
see
more
density,
especially
with
this
fantastic
amenity
we
have
just
south
of
here.
You
don't
even
have
to
cross
old,
shakopee
road
now
from
this
site
to
get
to
the
old
cedar,
avenue,
bridge
and
all
the
the
river
and
the
bike
paths
and
everything
else
that
we
have
as
an
amenity
down
there.
J
And
so
when
I
look
at
this
parcel
and
I
see
it
as
high
density
residential,
I
see
that
as
a
good
choice
for
this
parcel
and
I
think
it
was
intentionally
guided
that
way
and
although,
as
I
started
my
comments
with,
I
think
the
application
is
it's
a
good
application.
It
makes
sense,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
usage,
that's
needed
more
of.
O
O
O
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
goldman
that's
a
great
question
and
we
do
feel
the
office
designation
is
more
appropriate
going,
but
to
answer
questions
directly,
they
they
would
be
able
to
locate
their
facility
within
a
strip
center
because,
essentially
anywhere
you
can
have
office
or
medical
office.
This
would
be
a
permitted
use,
and
so
it's
permitted
in
the
b1
zoning
district,
which
is
what's
being
proposed.
O
It's
also
permitted
in
the
zoning
districts
associated
with
the
general
business,
but
you
know
I
would-
and
of
course
glenn
can
add
on
to
my
comments,
but
the
general
business
designation
is
much
broader
in
terms
of
what
types
of
uses
can
occupy
that
space.
Certainly
office
like,
like
we
just
said,
but
then
there's
much
more
intense
land
uses
like
retail,
which
I
don't
like
high
intensity
retail,
which
I
do
not
believe,
would
be
appropriate
for
this
site.
The
subject
site.
O
O
I
I
I
think
the
proposed
use
would
make
it
a
little
more
cohesive
and
just
to
continue
on
it's
not
proposing
something
quite
different
than
what
is
already
there
in
the
proposed
to
use
as
it
stands,
is
a
low
density
use.
So
the
designation
as
proposed,
I
feel
like
it,
would
still
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
uses,
especially
since
the
proposal
is
not
a
general
business
where
it
would
be
too
not
so
compatible
with
residential.
I
I
Should
another
applicant
come
in
and
say
I
want
to
take
that
site
and
make
it
into
a
little
bit
more
intensive
commercial.
It
would
be,
it
would
piss
off
a
lot
of
the
residentials
in
that
area.
So
I
feel
like
this
would
be
a
good
cover
to
still
allow
some
office
activity
while-
and
it's
also
at
the
intersections,
I
think-
would
be
a
perfect
use
for
this
site.
I
guess
the
question
I
have
now
that
I
think
about
it.
Is
that
would
a
residential,
be
residential
development
or
mixed-use
development
be
allowed
in
the
new
designation.
O
Sure,
mr
mr
chair,
commissioner
opte
it
wouldn't
so
the
b1
district
does
not
allow
residential
uses.
I
would
add
that
you
know
I
think
the
previous
owner
had
put
fuelers
out
for
the
sale
of
this
property
for
a
little
while-
and
at
least
I
don't
know
about
the
other
planners
in
our
office,
but
I
did
have
conversations
with
developers
who
were
looking
into
redeveloping
this
for
high
density
residential
land
uses
this
site
in
isolation
was
really
difficult
to
make
that
happen.
O
Just
it's
not
that
big
of
a
sight,
so
it
would
really
have
to
be
combined
with
other
properties
and
the
load.
The
single-family
homes
that
were
adjacent
had
no
interest
whatsoever
in
selling
for
redevelopment,
and
there
was
no
traction
on
acquiring
other
land
from
adjacent
properties
to
redevelop
for
high
density
residential.
So
there
is
to
a
commissioner
cookton's
point
we
could.
We
could
see
high
density
residential
on
this
parcel
would
probably
have
to
be
combined
with
other
land
in
some
configuration
and
at
least
a
couple
developers
that
we
spoke
to.
A
Yeah,
I
think,
building
on
the
conversation
about
you
know
looking
at
what's
around
here,
it
would
be.
This
is
the
the
one
block
that
does
seem
to
be,
as
strawberry
said
hodgepodge
here,
which
is
a
good
word.
You
know
if
it
was,
if
the
entire
block
you
know,
meadowview
wrapping
around
old,
shakopee
and
old
cedar
was
was
high
density
residential.
That
would
be
a
clear
thing
for
me,
given
that
it
does
a
but
directly
to
single-family
residential
with
no
separation,
I'm
a
little
more
comfortable
with
this.
C
N
A
What
is
the
land
use
and
what
is
the
the
guiding
or
the
zoning
for
a
space?
So
again,
that's
not
necessarily
in
favor
of
a
opposed
to
this
specific
item,
but
it
was
just
a
good
connection
to
me
about
something
we
had
sat
here
and
listened
to
before
and
made
a
decision
on
and
how
that
for
me
connected
to
the
first
item.
A
G
However,
the
market
sort
of
drives
what
actually
comes
to
fruition
on
that
specific
site,
it
seems
like
a
very
appropriate
use
for,
and
especially
a
transition
from,
maybe
higher
intensity
uses
to
single-family
residential
and
seems
appropriate
for
now
again,
if
something
were
to
come
from
come
into
fruition
and
potentially
a
larger
partial
parcel
were
able
to
be,
you
know,
put
together
for
high
density
residential.
I
think
this
is
a
conversation
that
we
could
come
back
to
and
say
this
was
initially
guided
for
high-density
residential.
A
Yeah,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
follow
you
on
that
too.
I
know
we've
talked
about,
or
at
least
in
different
plans
that
the
you
know,
the
revitalization
of
our
neighborhood
commercial
nodes
is
an
issue.
The
city
has
been
working
on
for
a
long
time,
but
we've
also
been
a
little
bit
intentional
about
tackling
one
than
one
or
two
and
not
not
all
of
them
at
once,
and
we
know
that
this
is
an
area
that
could
use
some
could
benefit
for
some
from
some
help
from
some
vision,
but
we're
not
at
this.
A
You
know
collectively
as
a
city
we're
not
at
a
place
where
that
vision
has
been
spelled
out
to
us
or
that
we've
adopted
the
council.
We've
recommended
the
council
that
adopted
that
vision.
So
I
don't
feel
like
this
box
is
in
that
vision,
because
I
think
when
that
does
come,
there
will
be
some
significant
redevelopment
or
rezoning
regarding
much
like
we've
done
at
98th
and
lindale,
much
like
we
talked
about,
but
we
weren't
ready
to
go
to
with
the
portland
gateway
area.
J
I
felt
this.
I
feel
really
strongly
that
this
intersection
needs
energy.
It
needs
development
and
that
high
density
residential
is
appropriate
here.
I
I
really
do
feel
that
way,
but
there's
such
a
practicality
component
to
this-
that
I
really
struggle
with
the
applicant
is
saying
they
don't
need
to
modify
anything.
It's
like
a
tailor-made
site
for
them
I
mean,
and
I've
always
you
know
I've.
I've
pushed
the
idea
on
this
commission
before
as
well
that
we
are
the
we
are
the
body
of
practicality.
J
J
It's
a
needed
use,
it's
a
site
that
is
tailor-made
for
them,
but
the
same
time
I'm
torn,
because
I
think
our
role
in
this
commission
is
to
guide
the
development
in
our
city,
and
I
think
this
corridor
is
one
that
I
have
on
my
list,
a
very
short
list
of
of
corridors
and
intersections
that
need
energy
and
with
the
proximity
to
the
river
and
the
great
new
amenities
we
have
had
there
in
the
last
couple
years.
This
is
a
site
for
high
density
residential.
I'm
really
torn
on
this
application.
A
G
H
G
G
A
Opposed
motion
passes.
These
items
will
move
on
to
the
august
30th
city
council
meeting
as
a
public
hearing.
Thank
you,
mr
centenario.
Thank
you
and
item.
Five
is
a
code
amendment
city
initiated
code,
amendment
regarding
our
floor
area
ratios
and
impervious
surface
requirements,
and
we
have
mr
johnson
back
for
round
two.
M
So,
as
you
mentioned,
this
is
a
city-initiated
city
code,
immense
amendment
specifically
put
forth
by
the
city's
fire
department.
We
do
have
chief
seal
here
with
us
this
evening.
If
you
have
any
questions
that
relate
to
him
and
deb
williams
from
the
public
works
department
is
also
here,
and
I
can
explain
what
her
role
is
in
these
projects,
but
this
does
pertain
to
the
ongoing
effort
or
long
range
process
to
replace
several
of
the
city's
fire
stations
replace
or
renovate.
M
I
should
say
some
of
you
were
on
the
board
when
fire
station
3
came
through,
I
believe
at
86th
and
east
old
shakopee
road.
So
the
the
changes
that
are
put
forth
tonight
are
relevant
to
the
other.
Five
could
be
potentially
relevant
to
the
other
five
station
locations
and
specifically,
as
you
mentioned,
chair
roman,
these
city
code
amendments
pertain
to
maximum
impervious
surface
requirements
as
well
as
fluorite
ratio
commonly
referred
to
as
far
in
the
city's
zoning
code
and
it's
and
it's
tailored
specifically
only
to
fire
stations.
M
The
the
majority
of
the
stations
were
built
in
the
late
60s
and
the
70s,
so
they're
nearing
that
age
to
be
replaced
in
terms
of
just
just
outdated
storage
capacity
and
other
operational
characteristics
that
don't
suit
the
modern
needs
of
fire
prevention
and
the
fire
department,
and
in
addition
to
that,
all
of
these
sites
are
zoned,
r1
single
family.
So
we'll
talk
about
what
the
reason
for
that
is:
here's
a
map
of
the
community.
M
As
you
can
see,
the
six
fire
stations
in
the
city
are
geographically
spaced
out
on
the
basis
of
providing
full
coverage
for
the
city
back
when
many
of
these
stations
were
built.
I
learned
some
new
things
from
the
fire
chief,
but
it
was
originally
based
on
miles
miles
traveled
in
response
that
methodology
has
since
been
replaced
by
response
time,
so
it's
no
longer
a
mileage-based
criteria,
but
a
response
based
time
criteria
and
luckily
enough
they've
done
updated.
M
You
know,
as
far
as
where
they're
geographically
located
so
with
fire
stations.
Location
is
key
and
it's
a
little
bit
less
flexible
than
other
city
or
other
governmental
facilities
such
as
public
works
or
even
police
or
other
things.
So
that's
a
thing
to
consider
with
this
app
with
this
with
this
city
code.
Amendment
with
respect
to
you
know
why
fire
stations
are
on
sites
that
are
zoned
r1.
That
reflects
just
long-standing
policy
zoning
policy
on
the
part
of
the
city
of
how
you
provide
for
public
facilities
and
government
facilities.
M
Some
communities
choose
to
have
a
public
facility
zoning
districts
specifically
that
relate
to
these
types
of
uses.
The
other
methodology
which
bloomington
has
utilized
is
to
allow
these
types
of
facilities
in
your
r1
or
residential
zoning
districts,
but
develop
specific
standards
for
non-residential
uses
that
are
allowed
within
those
districts.
So
that's
what
these
specific
provisions
relate
to,
so
a
good
good
slide,
just
to
solicit
the
locations
of
the
stations
and,
again
they're,
all
zoned,
r1
and
prior
to
looking
at
replacement
or
renovation
of
these
stations.
M
They
did
do
reassess
the
the
geographic
location
and
it
came
back
positive.
So
just
a
quick.
We
don't
need
to
spend
much
time
on
this,
but
just
as
these
are
the
definitions
of
these
two
performance
standards
that
we
deal
with
in
the
city
code
again,
flurry
ratio
is
a
good,
it's
very
similar
to
residential
density,
where
it's
really
a
way
to
means
to
evaluate
the
intensity,
development
intensity
of
a
site
again
just
based
on
the
amount
of
floor
area
divided
by
the
land
area,
pretty
straightforward.
M
So
that's
another
way
to
assess
kind
of
development
intensity
in
terms
of
just
how
much
hardscapes
are
on
a
site
and
when
you're
talking
about
the
fire
station
sites,
obviously
not
the
new
fire
stations,
that's
on
a
larger
site
that
was
acquired
by
the
port
authority,
but
the
other
existing
fire
station
sites
are
about
all
an
acre
in
size.
So
when
you
think
about
how
large
they
are
in
in
the
relevance
to
the
standards,
we're
talking
about
they're
just
under
an
acre.
M
So
these
are
the
existing
provisions
that
exist
today.
The
provisions
that
relate
to
far
impervious
surface
are
in
two
locations
in
our
city
code.
One
is
in
the
the
development
intensity
section.
This
is
a
section
that
a
lot
of
different
development
is
subject
to.
We
have
these
different
tables
and
you
can
see
that
non-residential
development
is
subject
to
a
maximum
flow
rate
ratio
0.5
and
a
maximum
impervious
coverage
of
75
percent.
In
our
institutional
use
standards,
institutional
use
standards
were
provisions
that
were
developed.
M
So
what
this
ordinance
before
you
this
evening
would
do.
It
would
actually
exempt
fire
stations
from
these
specific
standards
and
fire
stations
only
not
any
other
type
of
government
facilities,
not
any
of
the
other
types
of
non-residential
land
uses
that
are
currently
allowed
in
the
r1
district,
which
you
know
range
from
place
of
assembly
college.
M
You
know
other
government
facilities
those
types
of
things,
so
this
is
specific
to
fire
stations
only
and
would
create
an
exception
for
fire
stations
to
these
provisions.
The
considerations
that
inform
this
request,
you
know
what
has
changed
in
terms
of
rebuilding
a
new
fire
station
on
a
site
versus
the
existing
facilities.
Fire
equipment
has
changed
drastically
in
the
50
years,
since
many
of
these
stations
required
chief
seal
can
speak
about
it
with
much
more
knowledge
than
I
can,
but
the
equipment
is
larger.
M
So,
in
addition
to
that,
with
the
trucks
being
larger,
it
does
require
that
driveways
and
the
actual
paved
surface
serving
these
facilities
be
larger
in
order
to
circulate
and
actually
drive
and
navigate
these
larger
vehicles.
In
addition
to
that-
and
you
see
this
sometimes
in
more
urban
stations
like
in
the
cities,
if,
if
they're
in
a
fast
response
scenario,
which
typically
they're
in
an
emergency
response
situation,
what
you
want
to
avoid
is
having
to
do
those
large
bat.
M
There
are
those
back
out
movements
of
these
very
large
vehicles,
so
most
modern
fire
stations
if
they
have
the
land
area
or
capacity
to
provide
it,
do
provide
drive
through
bays,
which
again
adds
more
driveway
and
impervious
surface
to
a
site.
So
these
are
some
of
the
factors.
One
thing
I
didn't
touch
on
as
it
relates
to
why
why
the
all
the
the
new
modern
equipment
and
the
trucks,
what
that
results
in
is
more
floor
area.
M
I
forgot
to
mention
that,
but
that's
why
I
mentioned
the
fact
that
they
need
more
storage
area
in
apparatus
bay,
so
it
just
increases
the
overall
flurry-
and
I
talked
about
in
previous
surface
in
terms
of
department,
staffing
and
operational
changes.
You
know
modern
fire
stations.
Different
cities
have
different
staffing
models.
Some
have
volunteer
departments,
some
have
full-time
departments
bloomington
in
the
past
I
think,
has
explored.
M
You
know
what
their
operational
model
will
look
like
in
the
future,
but
in
order
to
make
these
stations
viable
for
different
operational
models
moving
forward,
they
do
need
to
build
in
dormitory
and
actually
sleeping
quarters
into
these
facilities.
So
again
that
adds
more
floor
area
to
these
sites.
In
addition
to
that
support
that
they
provide
more
decontamination
areas,
kitchen
facilities,
fitness
facilities,
things
that
are
needed
for
health
and
wellness
purposes
for
our
for
the
city's
firefighters.
M
M
If
you
move
these
to
a
commercial
or
industrial
zoning
districts,
but
then
you
would
not
be
meeting
the
necessary
response
times
in
addition
to
additional
acquisition
costs
and
other
things,
so
the
location
requirements,
they've
done
that
analysis,
it's
best
suited
or
best
sited
in
the
locations
that
they
currently
are
so
on.
On
these
basis,
staff
is
supportive
of
this
ordinance
in
terms
of
our
evaluation
of
it,
there's
a
couple
things
to
think
about
one:
it's
really
narrow
in
terms
of
its
application,
we're
talking
really
about
potential
of
up
to
five
sites.
M
It
might
be
less
within
the
city,
there's
no
other
property
owner
or
other
entity
that
provides
fire
protection
or
that
would
build
a
fire
station
in
the
community.
So
we're
really
talking
about
five
sites,
given
that
fire
station
three
has
already
been
reconstructed
so
that
it's
narrow
in
its
application.
M
All
the
other
provisions
still
remain
as
well
as
other
jurisdictional
requirements.
So
when
you
think
about
impervious
surface
that
touches
on
storm
water,
many
of
these
stations
are
located
in
watershed
districts.
They
still
have
to
meet
all
the
state,
local
and
watershed
district
storm
water
rules,
regardless
of
the
amount
of
impervious
surface
that
they
have
just
to
touch
on
that,
and
so,
for
those
reasons
and
again,
based
on
the
the
unique
operational
and
locational
requirements
and
characteristics
of
what
the
the
fire
department
needs
for
their
stations.
M
We're
supportive
of
this
ordinance
just
want
to
do.
One
final
touch
on
that.
This
is
a
good
example
where
you
do
have
some
competing
policy
objectives
on
the
part
of
the
city.
I
don't
want
to
wash
over
that
increasing
impervious
surface
on
the
is
not
you
know
a
favorable
thing,
particularly
for
our
water
resources
staff,
or
they
don't
look
at
that
as
a
overall
positive.
M
But
it's
often
the
case
that
you
know
the
city
has
to
make
tough
choices
or
competing
choices,
sometimes
in
order
to
in
order
to
provide
the
full,
robust
city
services
that
the
community
needs.
So
just
to
touch
on
that,
and
just
with
respect
to
far
and
site
intensity,
some
of
those
things
will
can
will
and
can
be
mitigated
by
design.
M
I
should
say
on
site,
but
just
to
you
know,
push
to
the
community
is
that
every
one
of
these
stations,
as
or
should
they
come
through,
obviously
is
subject
to
a
public
hearing
process
and
they
will
be
working
with
neighbors
to
mitigate
potential.
You
know
development
related
impacts.
So
that's
my
presentation,
chief
seal
is
here
thanks
for
hanging
with
us
chief
seal.
He
told
me
he's
just
here
to
answer
questions.
He
doesn't
plan
to
make
any
robust
presentation.
I
don't
think
you
did.
C
M
C
M
A
You,
mr
johnson,
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about?
I
heard
your
explanation
of.
I
think
we
all
understand
why
fire
stations
need
to
generally
be
where
they
are
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
restrictions
on
modifying
the
code
versus
considering
another
parcel
nearby,
and
I
don't
pretend
that
it's
the
right
or
wrong
answer.
M
Yeah
thanks
chair,
roman
so
and
there's
certainly
I'll,
go
back
to
the
map.
They
have
to
meet
their
response
time
coverage
limits
on
the
full
geographic
area
of
the
city.
So
that's
one
thing,
but
when
you're
talking
about
you
know
the
potential
to
acquire
a
parcel,
that's
really
going
to
be
an
analysis.
That's
done
on
a
site-by-site
basis.
There
might
be
opportunities
to
look
at
that
on
future
station
areas,
but
there
are
other
factors
that
make
that
challenging.
M
One
is
actually
just
design
characteristics
of
a
site
say
if
a
site
has
higher
grade
or
has
other
issues
with
it
that
you
know
adding
that
site
may
not
be
actually
valuable
to
fire
operations.
That
would
be
a
compelling
reason,
not
to
add
it.
The
other
factor
is
with
you
know,
with
many
of
these
sites
adjacent
to
residential
sites,
you
do
need
a
willing
seller
or
you
have
to
use
the
eminent
domain
tool,
which
is
not
a
popular
public
policy
to
pursue.
M
M
Yeah,
chair
roman
commissioner
albrecht
there
were
not,
and
that
was
a
little
bit
of
a
unique
situation-
that
the
port
was
able
to
use
some
funds
from
the
south
loop
development
fund
to
acquire
a
brand
new
larger
parcel.
In
order
to
do
that,
so
that
came
through
fully
code
complying,
but
it
was
a
much
larger
site
and
an
opportunity
arose
to
acquire
a
site
that
was
greenfield
so
they
had
the
ability
it
was
some
former
residential
sites
and
then
on
the
corner
there.
I
Thank
you
chair.
I
think
you
answered
a
question
that
I
was
thinking
through
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
if
I
heard
you
write
that
with
regardless
of
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
a
new
project
would
still
come
before
the
planning
commission,
except
we
will
not
if
this
goes
through,
that
we
will
not
be
looking
at
the
far
and
the
impervious
surface
as
a
analysis
as
part
of
the
application.
Is
that
correct.
M
Yeah
sure,
roman
christian
ability,
we
would
still
provide
it
to
you
as
part
of
our
general
analysis,
because
it
helps
you
evaluate
the
the
project
as
a
whole.
I
mean
that
those
details
will
still
be
available
to
you,
but
what
this
ordinance
would
do
is
make
it
so
that
it's
not
a
non-conforming
situation.
M
There
still
are
other
elements,
and
I
should
have
mentioned
in
my
presentation.
You
know
the
the
plan.
Development
ordinance
is
obviously
one
tool
that
you
guys
often
see
in
terms
of
requests
for
flexibility,
and
there
may
be
some
of
those
requests
that
relate
to
other
provisions
when
this
within
the
city
code,
depending
on
the
site,
but
the
the
pu.
The
plan
development
ordinance
also
established,
establishes
limits
on
the
amount
of
far
increase
or
density
increase.
M
So
so
say,
if
you
are
a
residential
developer
and
you
are
on
a
site
that
was,
you
know,
maximum
24
units
an
acre,
you
wouldn't
want
the
pd
to
have
the
ability
to
request
100
units
an
acre
right.
There
has
to
be
some
reasonable
limitations
on
that,
and
so
the
the
increases
here
contemplated
here-
it's
20
percent-
is
the
max
increase
in
far
so
that
was
not
a
a
tool
that
that
could
have
resolved
this
non-conformity.
If
you
will,
but
yes,
you
will
see
every
application
as
part
of
a
final
development
plan
project.
I
M
It
does
yeah
and
chair
roman
commissioner
abdi
thanks
for
the
question.
I
think
that
most
of
the
cities
pursue
that
with
the
that
public
facilities
type
zoning
district,
because
they
don't
want
non-government
development
to
be
subject
to
the
same
kind
of
more
flexible
standards
than
these
facilities
that
have
really
special
or
unique
criteria.
So
we
didn't
do
specific
research
about
fire
station
exceptions,
but
but
we
have
seen
other
cities
that
have
this
public
facility
specific
zoning
district
that
do
have
more
lenient
standards
in
order
to
accommodate
public
safety
type
facilities.
I
M
A
A
I
I'm,
I
don't
have
a
major
problem
with
it.
I
think
it's
interesting
that
you
know.
No,
we
don't
want
it.
We
want
to.
We
need
our
fire
stations
close
by
we.
We
certainly
don't
want
to
lose
our
parks
necessarily,
but
you
know
we.
We
do
have
spaces
that
we
could
move
these
things
to
if
we
thought
this
was
a
bad
idea,
it
would
probably
wouldn't
be
the
best
it
would
garner
a
different
kind
of
reaction.
A
J
J
I
know
a
guy
who
happened
to
have
studied
pervious
concrete
in
college,
and
so
it's
concrete
that
lets
water
run
through
it
and
it
uses
the
soil
as
a
natural
filter
for
that
water
and
oils
and
other
things,
and
so
perhaps
there's
an
appetite
for
that
with
future
applications
that
we
look
at
pervious
concrete.
So
that's
one
way
to
sort
of
lessen
that
previous
surface
area.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
think
I
would
echo
the
comments
that
have
been
made
so
far
and
and
the
the
reason
I
think
that
I
can
support
this.
Application
is
really
that
these
developments
will
will
ultimately
be
reviewed
by
us
and
by
by
council
when,
when
it's
time
to
to
redevelop
these
fire
stations,
I
know
that
they're
they've
reached
the
end
of
life
and
for
safety
and
of
the
residents
as
well
as
the
staff.
F
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
that,
but
I
think
that
there's
also
some
design
elements
that
can
be
taken
into
consideration
far
is
a
blanket
measurement.
But
if
you,
if
you
design
a
building
or
a
site
in
such
a
way,
it
might
not
have
the
obstruction
or
have
the
impact
to
the
residents
as
another
design.
F
So
I
think
I'm
okay
with
this
as
it's
presented,
knowing
that
we
can
look
at
how
it's
designed
and
make
sure
that
it
really
does
fit
the
neighborhood
in
the
community,
but
then
also
offers
you
know,
safety
to
the
residents
and
to
to
staff
as
well.
So,
overall,
I
think
I
I
can
support
this
application.
A
A
C
Yes,
mr
chair
commissioners,
your
rules
of
procedure
require
that
there
be
an
election
of
officers
every
august,
and
this
item
is
simply
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
members
to
you
know
advocate
for
their
candidacy.
That
was
a
request
that
we
had
a
couple
years
back,
that,
prior
to
at
the
meeting
prior
to
a
potential
election,
that
we
just
provided
an
opportunity
for
for
members
to
state
interest
or
lack
thereof.
I
A
And
at
least
the
year
that
some
of
us
started,
we
came
to
a
meeting
and
had
an
election.
We
weren't
really
sure
who
even
was
interested.
So
one
of
the
things
we
did
in
our
rules
was
we.
We
gave
a
meeting
where
anyone
could
say
yeah
I'd
be
up
for
that,
so
we're
looking
to
see
who
was
interested
in
saying
yeah
I'd
be
up
for
that
fair!
That's
the
reason.
B
A
J
A
A
Again,
we're
not
making
this
would.
This
is
just
anyone
who's
interested
for
consideration
and
then
typically,
we
would
have
a
vote
at
our
next
meeting.
However,
I
think
we
know
not.
Everyone
will
be
here
at
the
next
meeting,
so
we
would
have
the
option
to
vote
or
to
table
it
continue
it
to
a
future
meeting.
N
B
F
C
No,
no,
I
think
that's
great
so
we'll
put
that
on
your
agenda
for
the
next
august
meeting.
However,
we
know
that
there
will
not
be
all
seven
of
you
present,
so
our
suggestion
would
be
to
continue
it
until
everybody
is
present
to
take
part
in
that,
and
we've
done
that
in
past
years
too.
Sometimes
it
needs
to
be
continued
for
a
couple
meetings.