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B
C
C
E
Good
afternoon,
madam
mayor
and
council
members,
I'm
here
today
to
talk
about
the
composting
program
we
have
here
at
the
city
of
boise.
E
We've
all
heard
the
term
reduce,
reuse
and
recycle
and
that
that
terms
used
in
that
order.
For
a
certain
reason,
you
can
see
here
that
the
most
preferred
waste
management
strategy
at
the
top
source
reduction
and
reuse
and
then
moving
down
to
recycling,
composting,
energy
recovery
and
treatment
and
disposal.
E
Now
all
of
those
are
important
and,
as
you
can
see,
aligned
there,
we
have
programs
that
work
for
all
of
those
strategies.
E
The
composting
program
they're
in
on
the
third
level
up
is
the
program
we'll
be
talking
about
today.
I
will
mention,
though,
that
on
the
top
level
there
there
you'll
see
the
reduce
and
reuse
program.
It's
a
new
program
that
we've
started
and
we're
really
excited
about
it.
We're
trying
to
hit
the
highest
level
there
where
we
have.
E
E
E
You'll
also
see
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
up
trend
in
the
total
amount
of
waste,
managed
materials
managed.
Actually-
and
you
know-
that's
that's
due-
we
think
a
lot
to
growth
in
the
valley,
growth
in
the
city
and
then
also
there
in
2020
you'll
notice
that,
although
the
percentages
are
close
to
the
same,
there
is
more
waste
created
in
the
residential
area.
We
surmise
that
that
has
at
least
partially
to
do
with
the
covid
impacts
in
people
being
at.
E
Both
of
those
materials
are
kept
in
boise.
We're
really
proud
of
that.
We
feel
like
those
systems
are
they
benefit
the
community
more.
The
jobs
stay
here
and
there's
less
energy
used
to
to
make
the
new
products
so
and
reprocessing
there
is
the
area
where
we're
having
a
little
bit
of
limited
capacity
at
our
composting
facility.
Currently.
E
So,
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
composting
program.
There
was
a
aida
county
landfill
study
in
2014
that
showed
the
largest
percentage
of
waste
that
was
being
disposed
of
in
the
residential
residential
boise
waste
was
the
organic
material.
So,
after
a
lot
of
work
which
I'll
spare
you
the
details
on,
we,
our
first
compost
cart,
was
collected
in
2017
june
2017..
E
We
have
a
really
good
97
percent
particip
participation
rate
in
the
composting
program
and
those
carts
are
collected
weekly
all
year.
Long
finished
compost
is
also
offered
to
our
residents
at
no
cost
at
two
to
public
locations
in
the
city,
and
we've
had
about
an
average
growth
rate
of
9
in
the
amount
of
material
collected
from
2018
to
2020..
D
E
To
see,
can
you
see
my
oh?
They
actually
can
see
that
I'm
going
to
use
this
to
save
some
time.
So
this
is
an
actual
picture
of
the
comp
materials
processed
there
at
the
20
mile,
south
20
mile
south
farm
compost
facility,
it's
about
17
acres
of
land
republic
services
operates
it
as
our
partner
and
just
a
quick
explanation
of
the
facility.
The
straight
road
that
you
see
on
the
bottom
here
is
cloverdale
road.
E
The
trucks
come
in.
They
turn
into
this
drive
here.
There's
a
scale
right
there
near
the
near
a
small
office
building
where
they
weigh
the
material
coming
in
trucks,
go
in
here
and
unload
their
materials
right
there,
where
you
kind
of
see
those
piles
and
that
material
is
ground.
They
also
separate
out
the
contaminants
that
might
be
in
in
the
composting
right
there.
Then
they
put
it
into
these
windrows.
E
Space,
so
our
expansion
planning,
we
looked
at
several
options
and
conducted
a
business
case,
evaluation
for
those
options,
a
full
expansion
of
approximately
7.8
acres,
a
partial
expansion
of
about
five
and
a
half
acres,
and
then
no
expansion.
E
E
And
I
can
go
back
to
any
of
those
slides,
but
if
we
have
additional
questions.
G
E
Thank
you
for
the
question,
madam
mayor
council,
member
beijing,
the
it
is,
it
basically
looks
like
flat
ground,
but
what
you
have
to
do
is
you
have
to
get
in
crushed
aggregate
and
put
that
down
into
the
ground
compact
it
and
then
do
a
variety
of
stormwater
controls
around
that
area.
That's
required
by
the
department
of
environmental
quality.
The
cost,
I'll
be
honest
with
the
cost,
seemed
a
little
high
to
me
when
we
first
looked
at
it
too,
and
we
thought
oh
okay,
like
geez
it
shouldn't
that
be
a
lot
less
expensive.
E
G
Of
the
infrastructure
cost
include
fencing
or
other
work
to
keep
things
from
blowing
out
of
there.
I
know
that
that's
something
that's
come
up
in
the
past,
and
it's
something
that
we
work
to
deal
with
out
there
is
that
is
that
a
component
of
this
as
well.
E
Madam
mayor
council,
member
beijing,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
in
the
the
main
area
where
we
have
seen
wind-blown
debris
is
where
the
compost
comes
into
the
facility
and
go
back
to
the
it's
it's
right
past.
The
scales
where
the
first
sort
of
small
cone
shaped
piles
are
that's
where
they'll
unload
the
material
it
gets
ground
up
and
they
separate
out
the
they
separate
out
the
whatever
contaminants
are
in
there.
E
Mostly,
what
we
see
is
plastic
waste
and
they
also
have
a
new
air
sifter
that
pulls
off
some
of
that
plastic
waste
as
it's
being
ground
and
we're
adding
additional
fencing
out
there
to
try
to
contain
it.
It's
really
windy
out
on
this
site,
and
so
we
we
are
continuing
to
work
with
republic
services
to
find
ways
to
contain
all
that
contamination,
and
we
really
don't
want
it.
Blowing
off
onto
the
farm.
G
Fantastic
well,
if
the,
if
the
choice
is,
expand
the
facility
or
divert
the
excess
waste,
you
know
organic
waste
material
that
we're
going
to
be
having
back
into
the
landfill.
I
certainly
makes
a
lot
more
sense
to
me
to
expand
the
facility.
I
Oh,
thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Yes,
I
certainly
support
expanding
the
facility,
along
with
your
recommendation.
You
got
into
a
little
bit
of
my
question.
It's
surrounding
the
contaminants.
You
said
it's
mostly
plastics.
I
was
curious
again,
maybe
a
little
more
detail
why
people
are
still
putting
contaminants.
It
seems
like
it's
easier
to
confuse,
recycle
bolts
and
trash,
but
this
one's
pretty
much
a
no-brainer.
In
my
opinion,
have
you
also
seen
an
increase
or
decrease
or
change
in
contaminants
over
the
life
of
the
program?
Thanks.
E
E
If
it's
dark
out
or
if
they're
just
not
paying
attention,
I
will
say
that
our
our
partner
of
public
services
who
operates
compost
facilities
throughout
the
country
has
said
that
that
our
contamination
rate
is
actually
quite
low
compared
to
what
they
see
at
at
other
other
facilities.
However,
we're
always
working
to
try
to
make
sure
that
the
public
understands
what
they
can
put
in
there,
what
they
can't
and
looking
at
different
ways
to
to
get
that
message
out.
J
Madam
mayor,
yes
go
ahead,
thank
you
so
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
the
contaminants.
I
know
that
I
talk
to
people
who
come
here
from
other
places
and
composting.
There
allows
paper
products
certain
paper
products,
cornstarch
plastic
products.
I
don't
know
if
you
call
those
plastic
but
the
the
bags
that
are
made
out
of
cornstarch
and
allow
meat
and
bone
have
we
looked
at
what
it
would
take
to
actually
be
able
to
accept
other
products
and
have
we
thought
as
we're
doing
this
about
that.
E
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yeah.
We
have
looked
at
accepting
different
things
just
to
clarify.
We
will
take
paper
bags.
I
think
some
people
we
don't.
We
don't
necessarily
have
that
on
the
on
the
decal
there,
but
paper
bags.
We
tell
people
because
a
lot
of
times
they'll
want
to
try
to
keep
their
carts
cleaner,
and
so
they
want
to
put
some
of
their
food
waste
or
other
things
in
a
paper
bag.
So
we
will
accept
paper
bags.
We
don't
accept
the
plastic
material.
E
We'd
have
to
have
a
separate,
not
a
separate
facility,
but
basically
two
lines
of
service
where
we
took
took
one
of
those,
the
commercial
and
the-
and
you
know
with
the
meats
and
dairy
and
then
have
this
line
of
service.
Also
there
we're
also
working
with
a
private
partner
in
in
the
valley
who's
considering
taking
that
material.
So
we
have
a
few
things
that
were
that
we're
looking
at
it's
certainly
not
off
the
table,
but
we
we
aren't.
We
aren't
planning
on
doing
it
at
our
facility
at
this
time.
J
Okay,
thank
you
so
follow
up
if
I
could
metamer.
Yes,
of
course,
so
thank
you.
The
my
other
question
has
to
do
with
the
size
of
the
facility
and
if
we
run
out
of
space
with
this
expansion,
where
we
would
expand,
but
maybe
more
importantly,
since
in
doing
this,
we
are
saving
ada
county,
a
ton
of
money
at
their
own
landfill
because
we're
not
landfilling
stuff.
That
would
fill
up
a
much
more
expensive
cell
to
build.
E
Madam
mayor
account
remember
mike
thank
you
for
the
question
yeah.
We
we
do
want
to
think
past.
Just
this
expansion,
this
expansion,
we
hope,
will
you
know
it
definitely
depends
on
the
growth
of
the
valley
and,
if
that
continues
at
this
pace
or
if
it
levels
off,
but
assuming
assuming
the
growth
continues,
as
is
we'll
we'll
be
at
a
situation
where
we
need
more
space
in
approximately
four
to
five
years,
and
and
so
we
definitely
want
to
look
beyond
that,
and
we
want
to.
E
Both
to
have
you
know,
have
this
service
available
to
to
the
county
and
to
the
community
as
a
whole,
not
just
boise.
I
we're
we're
in
the
beginning
of
of
working
on
that,
and
I
I
can't
say
that
we
have.
It
figured
out
at
this
point,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
we're
thinking
about.
J
Thank
you
one
last
question.
If
I
might
met
a
mayor,
yes,
thank
you,
the
the
cost
is
that
going
to
be
born
by
the
rate
payers,
or
will
it
be
borne
by
all
of
the
taxpayers
in
boise.
E
Madam
mayor
council,
member
clegg,
the
the
cost
of
this
since
we're
an
enterprise
fund
is
is
to
the
rate
payers.
So
republic
services
will
pay
for
it,
we'll
pay
them
back
and
over
the
course
of
10
years
and
spread
that
out,
so
that
so
that
the
rate
impact
isn't
too
large
at
once.
K
E
Madam
mayor
council,
member
woodings,
thank
you
for
the
question
sure
so
in
in
idaho.
It's
interesting.
The
the
cost
right
now
to
dispose
of
material
data.
County
landfill
is
29
per
ton.
That's
really
low
compared
to
most
places
in
the
country
and
and
so
when
we
look
at
that,
there's
obviously
a
cost
to
composting
too
and
then
there's
the
the
cost
to
expand
the
landfill
I
was
as
was
brought
up
by
another
council
member
and
and
and
how
much
that
costs
so
we're
working
with
ada
county
to
try
to
figure
out
okay.
E
How
much
is
that?
How
much
does
that
cost
them
granted?
Ada
county's
money?
Isn't
our
money,
so
it's
a
little
difficult,
but
what
we
look
at
is
is
a
variety
of
things.
You
look
at
the
cost
of
expanding
the
landfill,
but
then
you
also
look
at
the
fact
that
when
there
is,
if
there
is
to
be
a
new
landfill,
they
have
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
that
landfill
that
hasn't
been
accounted
for
yet
in
the
budgeting.
E
So
so
there's
that
cost,
which
we
don't
know
what
that
cost
is
yet
then
there's
also
the
cost
of
transporting
material
to
the
future
landfill,
which
is
almost
definitely
would
be
farther
away
from
the
population
base
than
it
is
now
and
then
the
climate
impacts
of
that
from
the
transportation.
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
that
we
look
at
when
we,
when
we
think
that
hey
it's
a
really
a
good
idea
to
divert
this
material
from
the
landfill.
E
K
It
did-
and
I
appreciate
you
all
thinking
about
all
of
those
things
and
even
though
it's
very
complex
trying
trying
your
best
to
make
sure
that
all
of
them
are
accounted
for.
I
know
that
and
I
think
that
just
having
a
conversation
about
it
really
illuminates
to
folks
how
much
there
is
to
think
about
and
how
simple
a
solution,
this
really
is
to
pick
up.
K
Compost,
take
it
out
to
the
farm,
make
sure
it's
processed
and
then
distribute
it
back
into
the
community
and
sell
it
to
industrial
users,
because
it
really
is
a
very
a
very
simple
process
to
solve
a
very
complex
issue.
So
thank
you.
L
Madame,
thank
you.
The
97
percent
participation
rate
is
so
exciting
and
it's
something
to
be
happy
about,
and
I'm
wondering
do
we
know
what
the
key
is
to
that
success.
I
mean
that's
that's
amazing,
and
how
does
it
compare
to
folks
participating
in
recycling
versus
the
composting.
E
Madam
mayor
councilmember
sanchez,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yeah
we're.
We
were
really
excited
about
the
97
participation
rate
too.
It
is
really
high
compared
to
other
cities,
and
it's
it's
about
comparable
to
the
recycling
rate.
It's
it's
very
similar.
I
think
I
think,
honestly,
part
of
the
reason
for
that
success.
E
Besides,
you
know
the
community
we
live
in,
and
people
wanting
to
wanting
to
do
the
the
right
thing
really
is
that
we
were
able
to
set
up
the
residential
rates
to
give
people
an
incentive
to
do
that
in
other
cities,
you'll
see
where,
if
you
want
recycling
or
if
you
want
composting,
you
have
to
pay
more
money
to
get
it
we
felt
like
like
it
should
actually
be
the
opposite,
where,
if
you're
doing
that,
you
should
get
a
little
bit
of
a
discount,
it's
only
four
or
five
dollars,
but
you
know
it's
something
and
I
think
people
respond
well
to
that,
and
I
think
that's
that's
one
of
the
the
main
reasons
why
why
people
are
are
willing
to
participate
and
do
the
little
bit
of
extra
work.
L
That's
great
and
the
sign
right
behind
you
says:
there's
nothing.
We
can't
do
better,
so
we're
like
right
there
at
a
hundred
percent.
You
know
you,
you
mentioned
something
earlier
about
using
the
paper
bags
folks
using
them
to
to
put
in
the
compost
yeah.
I
do
that
it's
one
of
the
things
that
it's
like
the
easiest
thing
for
me
to
do
is
to
do
the
compost,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
there's
a
possibility
for
us,
I
don't
know
how
this
works.
L
You
guys
probably
can
figure
it
out,
but
I
always
use
paper
bags
and
especially
last
year
when
we
couldn't
bring
our
reusable
bags
to
the
grocery
store,
I'm
wondering
what
the
possibility
is
of
us
getting
grocers
to
actually
print
on
those
paper
bags.
You
know
what
the
information
we
want,
folks
to
have
about
the
items
that
can
go
and
compost
the
items
that
can
go
in
recycling,
so
it's
there.
L
I
know
it's
easy
kind
of
to
just
get
on
your
app
and
look
at
the
stuff,
but
when
you're
in
the
moment
it's
not
composting's
easy
for
me,
because
I
just
put
it
in
my
big,
my
double
layer
of
paper
bag
and
I
also
have
a
big
paper
shopping
bag
that
I
put
all
my
recyclables
in,
but
there's
some
that
I'm
just
like.
I
don't
know
about
this
one
and
when
in
doubt
throw
it
out.
I
remember
that
one.
D
C
C
It
is
awesome
to
know
that
we're
our
residents
are
using
composting,
the
way
that
they
are
thank.
M
C
J
C
Great,
thank
you.
Yes,
it'll
come
up
and
rate
rate
changes
with,
as
it
relates
to
the
budget
with
that.
Thank
you
all
for
joining
us
rachelle
great,
to
see
you
thanks
for
coming
in.
Thank.
C
So
next
up
we
have
a
conversation
about
the
non-profit,
lease
policy
that
we
have
as
a
city
there's
so
many
leases
that
we
actually
hold
with
entities
throughout
the
community.
And
you
know
this
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion.
C
I'd
say
for
the
last
decade
that
we
that
we
need
some
regularity
in
leases
and
so
shirley
and
chloe
are
here
with
us
today
through
zoom,
to
have
that
conversation
with
council
to
get
feedback
on
some
of
the
suggestions
that
they
have
from
a
policy
perspective
related
to
uniformity
and
from
there
we'll
get
to
work
on
crafting
a
proposed
policy.
So
with
that
welcome,
shirley
welcome,
chloe.
M
Hi,
it's
nice
to
see
everyone
virtually
so
chloe
and
I
have
been
trying
to
tie
together
all
the
city
leases
that
we
have
for
the
non-profits
and
it's
been
a
very
interesting
process
and
I'm
excited
to
kind
of
present
it
all
to
you.
So
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
to
create
an
overarching
kind
of
metric
for
how
we
deal
with
non-profits
and
the
leases
we
currently
have
16
non-profits
for
this
discussion.
M
The
scope
of
the
terms
of
the
lease
varies
in
length,
the
monetary
contribution
and
the
city
obligation.
Some
of
them
fall
into
the
dollar
a
year
category.
Others
pay
us
some
money
for
rent.
There
are
some
that
the
city
actually
pays
to
run,
and
then
they
also
vary
in
terms
of
whether
we
provide
utility
assistance
or
maintenance
assistance.
M
So
there's
not
any
one.
Size
fits
all
for
any
of
this.
M
M
M
Benefits
the
problem
is
the
inconsistency,
so,
as
you
can
see
the
having
16
different
leases
and
no
one
process
that
creates
some
extra
time
and
effort,
are
we
holding
our
fiduciary
responsibility
to
the
citizens?
M
Are
we
holding
that
money
to
the
highest
and
best
use
and
really
are
we
spending
or
providing
the
services
to
the
nonprofits
in
an
equitable
manner?
How
are
we
choosing
which
pro
nonprofits
to
support
and
how
are
we
deciding
to
what
degree
we're
supporting
each
non-profit.
M
So
part
of
this
lease
policy
is
to
bring
all
these
leases
into
alignment
and
to
recoup
some
of
the
costs
for
the
upkeep
of
the
facilities.
We've
we've
looked
at
creating
a
policy
and
some
guidance
that
we
thought
might
most
benefit
both
the
city
and
the
non-profits,
while
giving
them
a
break,
but
also
making
sure
that
things
are
equitable.
N
The
ultimate
goal
of
this
policy
is
to
have
something
that
is
standard,
but
would
also
allow
for
flexibility
for
leadership
to
make
decisions
that
are
in
the
best
interest
of
our
entire
community.
We
think
there
are
four
main
components
that
would
be
a
part
of
this
policy,
and
that
would
benefit
from
from
this
alignment.
N
The
second
is
a
delineation
of
the
obligation
of
the
landlord
who
is
us
and
the
tenant
in
terms
of
who's,
maintaining
what
and
who's
providing
utilities
or
who's
paying
for
the
utilities.
N
The
third
is
defining
the
length
of
what
a
regular
lease
looks
like,
and
the
fourth
is
ensuring
that
the
non-profit
is
benefiting
from
the
community
is
benefiting
the
community,
and
by
that
we
mean
essentially
that
are
the
services
the
nonprofit
is
providing
accessible
to
the
entire
community.
N
So
because,
as
shirley
noted,
public
dollars
are
going
to
support
these
non-profits,
there
should
be
a
discount
for
boise
residents
to
access
these
services
and,
additionally,
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
facility
is
open
and
available
to
everyone
in
an
equitable
manner.
The
nonprofit
should
offer
some
type
of
of
financial
aid.
We
realize
this
will
look
different
based
on
each
non-profit
and
the
services
they're
providing.
N
Finally,
because,
as
this
will
likely
come
as
a
surprise
to
many
of
our
non-profits,
what
we
are
proposing
is
an
outreach
campaign
to
meet
with
each
non-profit,
about
a
policy,
understand
their
position
and
gather
feedback.
We
would
then
come
back
to
counsel,
share
that
feedback
and
receive
input
on
on
more
details
and
direction
on
next
steps,
and
with
that
we
would
open
it
up
for
feedback
got.
K
A
mirror
yes
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I'm
just
gonna
put
out
there
that
I
am
the
former
chair
of
one
of
these
organizations,
which
is
girl
scouts
of
silver
sage.
We
enjoy
a
lovely
little
spot
at
the
corner
for
fort
boise
park
and
have
for
many
years.
K
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
approach,
and
I
think
that
I
mean
speaking
for
myself.
Probably
we
would
I
mean
we
see
the
value
in
locating
in
boise
parks
facilities,
particularly,
and
I
don't
think
that
anyone
is
going
to
be
upset
about
paying
their
fair
share
to
be
there,
and
so
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
great
approach.
K
I'm
curious
to
find
what
you
learn
and
seeing
how
we
can
make
sure
that,
as
you
said,
these
are
beneficial
to
the
community
and
equitable
and
are
fair
for
the
taxpayers
of
boise
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that
work.
I
know
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
lot
meeting
with
all
16
organizations.
L
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
yes
to
piggyback
on
council
member
woodings
i2
associated
with
girl
scouts,
the
silver
stage
council
and
yeah
that
that
location
is
key
to
a
lot
of
the
activities
that
we've
done
over
the
years.
L
One
thing
that
I
remember
my
first
interaction
with
the
city
of
boise
was
participating
on
the
grants
committee
with
arts
and
history
and
what
I
really
liked
about
that
application
process
for
artists
and
in
in
boise
who
wanted
one
of
those
grants
was.
We
were
looking
for
examples
of
where
they
were
going
to
be
doing
outreach
to
underrepresented
members
of
the
community
to
make
it
possible
for
them
to
be
more
involved
in
the
arts,
and
I
encourage
us
to
look
to
arts
in
history.
L
Look
at
their
grant
application
process
and
get
some
guidance
there
about
how
how
they
make
those
selections.
It's
it's
no
secret!
It's
something
that
I've
been
very
passionate
about
with
with
my
organization
that
I'm
a
lifetime.
Member
of
so
anything
to
encourage
that,
I
think,
is
good
and-
and
I
appreciate
you,
helping
us
to
be
good
stewards
of
the
people's
money.
Even
as
we
have
these
partnerships
with
organizations
who
are
doing
nothing
but
bringing
good
to
our
community.
G
Madam
mayor
a
question
and
a
comment
that
the
question
is
just
for
my
own
clarification
are
all
of
these
leases
for
real
property.
In
other
words,
we
don't
lease
cars
or
we
don't
lease.
You
know,
non-real
property
assets
is
that
right.
M
G
Great,
my
observations
are
first,
I
think
it's
fantastic,
that
we
value
these
properties
at
market
value
and
look
at
those
numbers
because
you're
absolutely
right.
This
is
a
city
asset
and
we
should
be
capturing
fair
value
for
our
taxpayers.
The
observation
is
twofold.
G
The
first
is
that,
without
turning
our
nonprofit
leases
into
some
kind
of
enterprise
fund,
I
think
it
would
be
correct
and
good
to
make
sure
that
the
cost
of
appraisals
and
the
cost
of
this
type
of
administrative
oversight
is
captured
in
the
record-keeping
that
we
do
for
how
we're
going
to
be
charging
for
these
facilities.
In
other
words,
we
don't
want
the
taxpayers
to
subsidize
a
hefty
administrative
cost
just
for
running
non-profit
leases.
That's
the
first
observation
and
then
the
second
is
to
the
extent
that
the
policy
permits
discounting
rent
for
some
reason.
G
Maybe
we
decide
that
a
particular
organization
offers
such
amazing
financial
benefit
to
the
community
that
it's
reasonable
and
just
and
fair
to
discount
their
rent,
because
the
community
recaptures
it
in
some
other
way.
We
should
still
be
tracking
and
transparent
about
the
foregone
revenue
from
the
rent
that
we
could
have
collected
as
we're.
G
Looking
at
how
each
of
these
nonprofits
is
using
the
space
and
again
that
goes
to
your
point,
which
really
resonated
with
me
that
we
do
have
something
that
resembles
a
fiduciary
obligation
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
our
assets
to
get
the
maximum
return.
So
those
are
my
two
observations
and
thank
you
for
answering
my
question.
J
Vladimir,
yes,
go
ahead
thanks
thanks
for
bringing
this
it's,
I
guess
I'm
not
quite
as
confident
as
council
member
woodings
that
everyone
will
be
excited
about
this,
but
I
am
confident
that
it's
the
right
road
to
move
down,
assuming,
probably
that
it
will
take
us
some
time
to
get
to
our
goal
or
get
to
a
goal
whatever
that
ends
up
being.
J
My
question
comment
is
that,
in
addition
to
the
things
you
listed,
it
occurs
to
me
that
many
of
these
same
organizations
also
apply
for
monetary
grants
from
the
city,
and
we
might
want
to
think
about
how
and
if
a
very
beneficial
lease
rate
impacts
their
ability
to
also
apply
for
monetary
grants.
J
Maybe
it
should
maybe
it
shouldn't,
but
it
just
as
I
was
thinking
about
it
seemed
like
something
we
should
at
least
consider.
B
Then
mary,
yes,
I'm
processing
in
real
time,
so
I'm
trying
to
trying
to
make
sure
I
give
some
input,
but
also
trying
to
organize
my
thoughts.
So
please
be
patient.
I
I
really
appreciate
our
our
efforts
here.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
think
it's
good
to
evaluate
all
the
stuff
that's
going
on
and
I'm
confident
that
chloe
and
shirley
are
looking
into
different
ways
that
we
evaluate
value
that's
being
brought
into
our
community.
B
I'm
always
really
interested
in
the
way
that
our
arts
and
history
department
looks
at
value
and
is
able
to
assign
things
that
aren't
quite
as
cut
and
clear
from
one
non-profit
to
another,
especially
when
we
start
talking
about
arts
and
culture
and
what
that
brings
to
our
city
and
one
of
the
things
that
popped
into
my
head
right
off.
The
bat
is
when
people
are
thinking
about
moving
to
boise
what
brings
them
to
boise.
B
B
The
arts
and
culture
really
really
brings
and
assign
a
dollar
point
to
it?
And
so
that
being
said,
I
I
appreciate
it.
I
I
think
that
it's
great
to
move
forward
and
to
have
these
discussions,
I'm
excited
to
see
what
the
different
organizations
have
to
say,
because
I
know
that
there
are
different
portions
of
the
non-profit
sector
that
the
city
partners,
with
with
these
efforts
all
over
the
board,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
robust
conversation
and
if
there's
things
I
can
do
to
help
out,
please
let
me
know.
C
Well,
it
seems
to
me
I
appreciate
all
the
feedback
council
member
council
president
you're
still
unmuted
did
you
have
something
to
say
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
off.
Okay,
I
appreciate
the
feedback,
shirley
and
chloe.
C
If
you
do
have
a
sense
of
did
you
get
what
you
need
for
this
go
round
with
council
great,
I
see
you
nodding,
I'm
really
appreciate
it.
So
what
we
can
expect
is
that
you
guys
would
take
the
feedback
from
council
today
and
begin
those
conversations
with
the
lessees
that
we
have
and
then
further
conversation
with
council
on
what
they
found
and
then
from
what
they
found
some
proposals
for
us
to
react
to.
C
I
really
appreciate
I
remember
as
a
council
member
that
this
kept
coming
back
to
us
and
it
just
like
it
stalled
installed.
It
stalled,
and
so
chloe
and
shirley
have
picked
up
something.
That's
been
tough
for
staff
over
the
years
to
get
through.
So
I
appreciate
it's
come
this
far
and
look
forward
to
seeing
and
having
the
next
conversation
together
as
a
council.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Both
we're
a
little
ahead
of
schedule,
so
I'm
not
sure.
I
think
that
I
saw
carl
leclaire
on,
but
if
not
we
we
can
wait
a
couple
minutes
there.
He
is
hi
carl
welcome
carl's
with
us.
Now
this
afternoon,
oh
and
hi,
karen
karen
is
as
well
to
walk
us
through
the
master
plan
for
public
works,
arts
projects.
C
H
The
the
public
works
department
generates
their
own
percent
for
art
funding
through
the
enterprise
funds
and,
historically,
a
bulk
of
the
funds
generated
through
public
works
have
been
focused
specifically
at
the
at
the
public
works
watershed
education
center
in
2017
2018.
When
we
began
wrapping
up
on
the
phase
2
effort
to
expand
the
public
art
offerings
at
the
watershed
facility,
we
anticipated
that
public
works
was
going
to
generate
significant
funding
for
public
art
over
the
next
10
to
15
to
20
years.
H
With
that
expectation,
we
began
the
conversation
around
updating
and
developing
a
new
plan
for
this
next
phase
of
investment.
H
Previous
plans
have
been
established
for
both
the
watershed
facility
and
for
the
river
campus
and
were
executed
upon
using
generated
funds,
and
so
the
plan
that
we're
going
to
present
today
is
a
somewhat
of
a
continuation
of
that
initial
sort
of
phasing
of
planning
for
the
public
works
percent
for
heart
funds.
H
But
it
also
expands
the
focus
and
the
scope
and
allows,
I
think,
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
in
how
the
percent
funds
can
be
used
and
in
what
types
of
locations
and
ways
that
these
projects
will
engage.
The
community
around
the
work
that
public
works
is
engaged
in.
H
So
with
that
I'll
queue
up
karen
to
to
share
her
screen
and
present
on
the
plan.
H
H
F
F
Oh,
there
we
go
okay.
This
is
a
partnership,
a
collaboration
between
the
public
works
department
and
the
arts
in
history.
In
the
beginning,
we
have
an
opening
letter
from
our
directors,
terry
shoresman
and
steve
burkos-
that
really
talk
about
the
partnership
of
this,
bringing
together
of
arts
and
history
and
public
works
and
the
purpose
of
that
match,
and
this
whole
planning
process
has
been
a
real
collaboration
between
public
works
and
arts
and
history.
F
F
I
was
the
public
art
manager
from
1998
until
2017
and
so
and
and
dwayne
carver
was
the
planner
that
we
hired
in
2003
to
do
the
initial
plan
for
boise
watershed
and
then
in
2009
to
update
that
so
dwayne
carver
and
I
worked
as
partners,
and
we
were
able
to
look
back
and
doing
a
full
assessment
of
what
we've
done
previously
inventory.
The
complete
works
and
then
identify
some
room
for
improvement
so
that
we
really
were
working
from
a
solid
place
of
where
we've
come
from.
F
And
then
we
looked
forward
to
see
how
we
can
pivot
to
looking
at
the
entire
city.
We
provide
some
framework
to
work
with
a
little
bit
of
information
on
local
context,
some
context
about
how
the
projects
would
be
implemented
and
then
go
into
the
opportunities
so
that
in
that
look
back,
we
provide
the
background.
So
we
really
built
this
as
a
legacy
document
as
well
for
future
staff
and
for
future
leaders
to
understand
where
the
percent
for
our
ordinance
came
from
and
then
the
process
of
all
of
these
projects.
F
The
projects
that
are
public
works
related
that
are
off-site
primarily
on
eighth
street
and
on
a
broad
street
the
utility
covers,
and
then
we
also
included
some
temporary
public
art
projects
that
are
obviously
no
longer
in
existence,
but
were
also
very
important
in
terms
of
what
we
did
in
the
public
works
realm,
and
we
had.
We
kept
documentation
of
all
these
projects
as
well.
F
We
identify
a
few
areas
that
we
wanted
to
note
for
improvement,
making
sure
we
engage
artists
early
in
the
capital
process,
focusing
more
on
the
geothermal
system,
which
is
an
incredible
asset
that
we
think
needs
more
attention.
F
The
importance
of
informing,
educating
and
engaging
adults
since
boise
watershed
was
more
primarily
focused
at
at
a
youth
population,
an
emphasis
on
working
with
partners,
particularly
because
we
we
don't
have
a
facility
that
we're
recommending
there's
not
a
single
place
like
boise
watershed.
So
to
do
public
art
projects
in
the
future,
for
public
works,
we'll
be
able
to
we'll
need
to
work
with
partners
and
then
continue
collaboration
between
our
departments
in
looking
forward.
F
We're
really
excited
about
the
potential
to
focus
on
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
public
works
department
of
ecological
art,
art
that
is
about
climate
change,
using
the
the
art
program
to
to
amplify
those
messages
and
that
vision
that
public
works
has
we
broke
the
the
project,
opportunities
down
into
different
elements,
so
air
water,
energy
materials
management
and
then
citywide
networks,
and
this
is
a
way
to
frame
our
opportunities
around
the
important
aspects
of
public
works.
F
We
identified
multiple
types
of
projects,
sculptural
objects,
land,
art,
residencies,
like
an
artist
in
residence
program
collaborations,
which
could
occur
between
an
artist
and
a
scientist.
For
instance,
public
art
focused
on
data,
where
we
could
use
information
that
we
have,
for
instance,
at
the
watershed
site
on
our
waste
management
system
and
somehow
transfer
that
into
art
art
that
is
integrated
into
different
sites,
programming
such
as
lectures
or
workshops
and
then
2d
graphics.
So
that
could
be
printed
material
website
material
billboards.
F
We
touch
briefly
on
the
implementation
process.
This
is
really
critical.
It
takes
trained
staff
and
staff
that
that
really
is
are
focused
on
facilitation
and
project
management.
To
be
able
to
develop
these
projects
because
they'll
be
working
with
multiple
partners.
Carl
is
the
lead
and
he'll
lead.
This
process
he's
already
working
with
steps
that
will
that
are
more
internal
document
about
how
to
to
go
through
and
manage
this
process.
F
And
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
one
of
those
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
format
of
them,
so
we
identify
the
opportunity
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
purpose
of
that
particular
one.
This
one.
For
example,
it's
about
energy
opportunities,
raise
public
awareness
of
the
city's,
many
energy,
efficient
projects,
installations
of
energy
reduction
measures
and
clean
energy
programs,
so
again
they're
to
amplify
what
we're
doing
about
energy.
F
Turkey,
mouse
about
geothermal
powered
art,
so
we
profile
in
a
brief
description.
What
that
opportunity
is
we
give
some
high
level
points
to
the
pro?
What
the
project
type
could
be:
potential
goals,
themes,
possible
partners,
possible
locations,
possible
constraints
and
community
engagement,
and
then
we
provide
two
or
three
precedent
examples
on
the
right,
so
you
can
see
how
this
type
of
project
may
have
been
implemented
elsewhere.
F
F
This
is
really
for
us
to
to
frame
an
opportunity,
but
it
will
be
reliant
on
public
works
staff,
public
art
staff
to
come
together
and
identify
what
scale
of
project
do
we
want
to
do
what
site
do
we
want
to
work
on?
What
partners
do
we
want
to
work
on
and
prioritizing
those
projects
on
an
annual
basis.
F
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
network
opportunities
from
a
high
level
quickly
because
it's
a
it's
a
bit
of
a
pivot
from
where
we've
been
before
in
terms
of
strictly
capital
projects.
F
F
We're
prioritizing
that
a
public
works
project
could
focus
on
an
indigenous
site
context,
so,
for
instance,
we've
identified
at
the
airport
there's
an
exterior
location
that
could
be
a
good
partner
site
for
with
public
works,
to
focus
on
an
indigenous
themed
artwork.
F
Media
series
engaging
artists
in
the
creation
of
of
media
pieces.
We
talked
a
little
bit
with
this
public
works
staff
about
how
we
can
partner
with
their
communications
team
and
engage
artists
in
the
campaigns
that
they
have
to
create
artwork.
That
really
highlights
some
of
the
themes
that
they'd
like
to
amplify.
F
F
So
we've
looked
at
the
opportunity
to
bring
in
artists
and
scientists
who
are
doing
interesting
things
from
across
the
country
to
engage
the
public,
drawing
and
photography
art
archive
this
can
pair
with
the
boise
city
archive,
but
to
really
focus
on
collecting
the
photographs
documents,
drawings
that
are
associated
with
the
public
works
department
and
creating
some
others
in
the
future.
Maybe
it's
documenting
the
workers
that
are
involved
in
this
in
the
process.
F
Currently,
history
works
developing
public
art
projects
that
really
are
connected
to
the
history,
so
it
might
be
an
oral
history
project
or
some
kind
of
a
historical
research
project
that
is
focusing
on
public
works
content
so
to
wrap
up.
F
F
It's
important
to
prioritize
and
tie
in
public
art
projects
with
public
works
priorities,
we're
looking
we're
exploring
the
possibility
of
using
percent
for
art
0.4
funds,
which
were
identified
that
they
could
be
used
for
staff
resources
to
do
project
implementation
for
these
projects,
and
then
carl
was
also
updating
his
roles
and
responsibilities
overview.
C
You,
karen
thanks
karen
carl.
H
I've
got
a
mayor
members
of
council,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
real
quick
at
the
end
and
wrapping
up
to
say
that
you
know
the
the
plan
I
think
has
has
been
a
collaborative
process
in
developing
with
both
some
community
partners
and
staff
within
the
public
works
department.
H
H
The
work
of
the
public
works
department,
the
opportunities
as
they
come
up
will
be
presented
very
much
in
line
with
the
way
that
we
present
our
annual
workload
for
the
public
art
program,
so
we'll
be
seeking
feedback
and
approval
on
specific
individual
projects
as
they
come
up
and
then
run
approvals
of
artist,
selection
and
project
designs
through
the
normal
process.
H
L
Thank
you,
carl.
Yes,
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation,
karen
and
carl
it's
so
exciting.
I
was
particularly
happy
to
see
that
there
is
a
concerted
effort
to
acknowledge
the
indigenous
folks
within
our
community,
I'm
so
happy
to
see
that
one
area
that
I
think
has
been
neglected
in
our
capital
city
has
been
acknowledgment
of
the
mexican
people,
we're
the
largest
mirror
group
in
the
state.
L
We
we
toil
in
the
earth.
We
lay
hands
on
those
coveted
potatoes
that
we're
so
proud
of
in
idaho
and
in
preparing
to
join
this
body.
Four
years
ago
I
learned
a
lot
about
the
involvement
of
the
latinx
community
and
conservation
issues.
I
believe
I
think
it
was
yale
came
out
with
a
study
in
2017
that
determined
that
the
most
engaged
community
when
it
comes
to
the
issue
of
climate
change
are
latinx
people,
specifically
spanish
speaking,
and
that
was
news
to
me.
L
I
did
not
know
that
because
it's
not
really
reflected
or
hasn't
been.
It
hadn't
been
up
until
that
point
here
in
idaho
and
and
it's
something
that
I
think
sometimes
you
don't
know
what
you
are
until
somebody
tells
you
that
you're
that
and
I
think,
if
we
want
to
really
commit
to
correcting
the
damage
that
we've
done
as
humans
on
our
planet.
We
need
to
do
everything
we
can,
including
embracing
the
arts.
L
Sometimes
the
best
way
to
get
that
medicine
is,
is
through
art.
You
don't
even
know,
you're
being
taught
something
because
you're
having
a
beautiful
experience
with
the
arts.
So
I
would
encourage
that.
I
I
know
that
my
personal
hero,
dolores
huerta,
my
favorite
girl
scout,
who
is
one
of
the
founders
of
the
united
farm
workers
union.
L
A
lot
of
her
work
began
with
conservation,
but
conservation,
conserving
the
people
who
were
toiling
in
the
fields
and-
and
so
I
I
would
love
to
see
that
I
would
love
to
see
the
acknowledgement
of
the
mexican
people
who
who
do
so
much
in
our
state
and
who
suffer
so
much
an
opportunity
to
honor
them
and
and
the
fact
that
they
they
engage
with
the
elements
every
day
and
to
see
them
honored
by
our
capital
city
in
such
a
way
would
be
wonderful,
but
I
I
love
your
work,
as
jimmy
said.
L
As
council
member
hallie
burton
said,
there's
there's
people
in
our
community.
That
is
the
thing
that
they
see
first,
when
they
come
to
boise.
Is
they
see
the
wonderful
public
art
that
we
have?
That
makes
them
feel
like
we
care
about
our
city
and
that
we
will
welcome
them.
So
I
cannot
wait
to
see
what
comes
of
this
plan,
and
I
am
one
hundred
percent
supportive
of
it.
B
B
So
if
we
can
use
art
as
a
way
to
show
people
how
our
city
works
by
combining
that
with
our
public
works
department
and
breaking
down
some
of
the
barriers
that
prevent
people
from
knowing
how
the
how
the
sausage
is
made
and
all
those
different
types
of
things,
I
think
is-
is
just
so
exciting.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
work
here
and
would
love
to
see
us
find
those
ways
to
tell
the
story
of
how
the
city
has
worked
in
the
past.
How
it
currently
works.
B
Now,
how
could
work
in
the
future
through
art-
and
I
guess
just
the
second
part-
is
I
I've
got
a
friend
who
often
tells
me
that
you
know
people
don't
feel
fear
change,
they
feel
fear,
loss
and
our
city
is
changing.
You
know
very,
very
quickly
right
now
and
how
it
looks
and
how
it
works,
and
I
think
that
there
is
so
much
opportunity
to
tell
ourselves
our
city's
history.
B
You
know
through
a
lot
of
this
stuff
so
that
we
don't
lose
a
lot
of
that
as
we
as
we
go
through
these
changes.
So
again,
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
that's
gone
into
this
and
I'm
excited
to
see
you
all
moving
forward.
I
Thank
you
so
much
to
both
of
you
and
you
know,
in
the
12
years
I've
been
here
when
I
first
arrived.
The
art
program
was
already
in
an
outstanding
spot,
thanks
to
you,
karen
and
so
many
others
that
had
helped
to
build
it
to
that
point.
But
I've
seen
it
grow
in
leaps
and
bounds
since
that
time,
which
is
really
phenomenal,
and
it
really
highlights
the
importance
of
having
this
as
an
actual
department
within
the
city
of
boise
and
highlights
the
extreme
importance
and
need
for
it.
I
I've
seen
how
far
we've
come
in
our
neighborhood
parks.
All
the
way
down
to
the
smallest
parks
is
what
I
mean
where
people
want
to
see
an
art
piece
in
their
in
their
parks
as
a
an
option
in
those
master
plans
and
seeing
that
grown
as
popularity,
and
it
shows
how
much
this
community
loves
their
art,
and
I
I
really
like
this
plan.
I
think
it
shows
how
creative
and
how
detailed
you've
gone
into
creating
a
plan.
I
That's
in
context
with
enhanced
with
public
works
and
framing
it
in
into
those
different
categories,
as
you
described
them,
and
and
that's
really
exciting,
to
see
it.
It
puts
a
whole
new
light
on
the
type
of
work
and
and
breadth
the
depth
of
the
that
you're
getting
behind
these
projects.
So
thank
you.
I
support
it
and
keep
doing
a
great
job.
J
Adam
mayer,
yes
go
ahead,
thanks,
good
to
see
you
guys,
thanks
for
being
here
thanks
for
doing
the
work
you
do,
I
think
councilmember
thompson
talked
about
how
great
it
is
to
have
a
department
now
and
you
know,
being
able
to
plan
for
the
future
instead
of
react.
So
this
is
exciting
stuff.
J
There's
a
couple
of
things.
I
guess
I
was
maybe
expecting
to
see
that
didn't
pop
up
and
I
haven't
read
the
plan
in
detail,
so
they
may
be
in
there
and
they
I
may
have
missed
them,
but
one
is
you
know
we
started
tonight
talking
about
composting
and
reduced
reuse,
recycle,
and
I
can't
think
of
a
better
place
to
really
focus
on
found.
J
Our
art
made
with
found
objects
than
in
the
public
works
department.
We've
already
done
that
to
a
fair
extent
at
the
watershed,
but
it
would
be
great
to
see
that
referenced.
I
think
in
the
plan,
because
I
think
found
objects
really
do
reflect
that
ethic
of
reuse
reduce,
recycle,
and
so
that's
that's
one
suggestion
the
other
that
I
would
guess
I
was
a
you
know.
Like
I
say
I
haven't
read
in
detail.
It
may
be
in
there
as
we
grow.
J
Our
ability
to
provide
the
same
level
of
services
in
the
public
works
arena
is
really
dependent
on
how
well
our
citizenry
respond
to
the
really
great
engineering
and
best
practice
models
that
our
public
works
department
engages
in
in
order
to
serve
them
with
with
lower
environmental
footprint,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
reflect
that
necessarily
in
a
plan.
J
But
it
seems
to
me
that
we
should
at
least
acknowledge
that
that
growth
in
this
valley
really
is
something
that
public
works
has
to
be
intimately
involved
in
in
order
to
continue
to
provide
service
and
and
a
way
to
reflect
on.
That
might
be
a
really
important
piece
of
thinking
about
how
to
do
art
for
public
works.
J
J
K
Thank
you
thanks,
carl
and
karen.
So
I
had
the
distinct
pleasure
of
seeing
this
first
in
my
first
meeting
as
as
the
liaison
to
arts
and
history
commission,
which
was
very
fun
and
as
a
also
dedicated
public
works
nerd.
K
I
was
extremely
excited
to
see
the
marriage
of
public
works
and
the
significant
investments
we're
going
to
be
making
as
a
city
in
public
works
over
the
coming
years
that
we
have
been
learning
about
as
members
of
council
and
that
intersection
with
art
and
the
ways
that
we
can,
that
we
can
put
those
two
together
and
really
raise
some
awareness
in
our
community.
K
And
then
I
got
to
go
out
to
the
boise
watershed
with
our
social
media
team
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
look
at
the
incredible
art
that
exists
out
there.
And
I
think
that
we
just
have
such
an
amazing
opportunity
to
draw
attention
to
some
of
the
very
special
things
about
our
city,
like
our
geothermal
system
like
the
river,
and
you
know,
going
back
to
really
focusing
on
first
nations
a
lot
of
the
things
that
made
this
and
continue
to
make
it
a
special
place
for
the
valley's.
K
That
really
brings
in
so
many
elements
that
make
boise
special
and
puts
that
into
an
actionable
plan
in
a
way
that
it's
not
going
to
be
we're
not
tying
the
hands
of
artists
but
we're
offering
offering
guidance
so
that
there
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
really
nice
balance
in
between
here's
exactly
what
we
want,
and
you
know,
here's
here's,
some
ideas,
use
your
use,
your
artistic
experience
to
to
bring
us
something
that
you
think
kind
of
fits
within
what
we're
looking
for.
K
So
I
really
appreciate
all
of
that,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
this
master
plan
play
out
over
the
coming
years.
So
great
work
all.
L
Right
mayor,
one
more
thing:
if
it's
all
right,
I
just
want
to
highlight
something
that
council
member
hallie
burton
said
about
folks
fearing
loss
of
losing
something
when
things
change-
and
I
know
for
myself
one
of
the
things
that
I
notice
when
I
leave
our
city
when
I
travel
out
of
state
which
has
been
rare
and
a
long
time
ago.
L
But
I
can't
wait
to
come
home
because
it's
so
clean
in
boise,
idaho,
but
I
do
notice
that
is
starting
to
change.
I
have
noticed
that
I'm
50
years
old,
I
grew
up
in
the
70s
and
the
80s,
and
I
remember
there
was
a
very
visible
nationwide
campaign
against
littering
and
I
don't
know
that.
We've
we've
maintained
that
as
a
value
in
our
nation
and
I'm
starting
to
see
that
bit
of
a
change
here
in
boise.
L
If
there's
any
way
that
we
can
highlight
that
as
as
part
of
our
plan
moving
forward,
you
know
the
presentation
we
had
about
the
success,
the
97
participation
in
composting.
L
Obviously,
it's
a
value
that
we
have
here
in
boise
that
we
have
so
many
people
participating
that
program
if
it's
possible
for
us
to
capture
that
in
a
piece
of
art
in
in
some
sort
of
initiative,
so
that
we
don't
lose
that
we
don't
lose
that
value
of
keeping
our
our
city
clean.
Thank
you.
C
L
G
C
We
have
a
motion
a
second,
I
think
carl
and
karen
have
heard
the
conversation
they
didn't
have
anything
else
for
us.
So
do
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call
in
a
work
session,
I'll
just
say
all
in
favor.
C
And
next
up
we
have
maureen
brewer
she's,
not
here
there.
She
is
so
she's
on
zoom,
with
an
update
on
our
housing,
our
affordable
housing
strategy
for
the
city
of
boise,
and
welcome
maureen
good
to
see
you.
A
Okay,
everybody
see
that
okay
great
so,
madam
mayor
city
council,
thanks
for
having
me
this
afternoon,
I
imagine
this
will
be
one
of
many
conversations
that
we
continue
to
have
around
housing
affordability,
but
wanted
to
be
able
to
share
with
you
some
new
data
that
we
have
some
new
snapshot
data
around
the
spectrum
of
housing
need
in
the
city
of
boise,
specifically,
so
I'm
going
to
spend
some
time
with
you
talking
on
this
slide
and
kind
of
illustrate
for
you
what
the
take-homes
are,
what
to
sort
of
digest
from
it.
A
A
So
that
said,
I
do
just
want
to
caution
that
we
we
likely
do
not
have
the
data
just
yet
to
answer
highly
nuanced
or
specific
questions,
but
I
am
happy
to
take
questions
of
course
and
or
record
those
and
circle
back
with
responses,
if
we
don't
have.
If
I
don't
have
the
information
for
you
today
that
you're
specifically
looking
for
but
again
as
a
starting
point,
just
to
sort
of
orient
you
to
this
bridge,
if
you
will
this
is
this-
is
for
a
three-person
household.
A
The
consultant
picked
a
three-person
household
because
of
the
average
size
of
households
in
the
city
of
boise.
It's
actually
2.43,
so
rounded
up,
so
that
we
weren't
dealing
in
infractions
of
people.
I
believe
you
all
are
mostly
familiar
with
seeing
one
person
or
seeing
data
like
this
in
one
person
or
four
person
households.
So
certainly
we
could
have
this
run
as
a
one
person
or
four
person
household.
A
If
that's
helpful,
the
gray
bands
kind
of
on
on
the
bottom,
there
show
the
percentage
of
the
renter
or
the
home
owner
population
that
is
currently
in
each
income
category
and
then
the
top
bands,
so
those
sort
of
above
the
chart
on
that
right
hand,
side
show
what
the
current
marking
market
excuse
me
is
providing
as
far
as
rentals
go
attached,
ownership,
housing
or
single-family
home
ownership.
A
So
if
we
kind
of
look
at
what
income
levels
are
eligible
for
federal
subsidy
versus
what
might
what
income
levels
the
current
market
is
providing
for,
eighty
percent
and
below
so
eighty
percent
amin
below
is,
is
eligible
for
a
federal
subsidy
and
we
have
tools,
certainly
that
are
the
vehicles
by
which
we
deliver
that
subsidy,
but
they're
they're
also
limited
in
the
amount
of
resources.
A
A
I
also
want
to
point
out
that,
right
now-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
shift
from
what
it's
been
previously
but
right
now
the
current
market
is
producing
rentals
at
100
ami
and
this
also
sort
of
demarcates
where
we
could
or
should
identify
a
core
target
and
that's
what's
highlighted
in
red.
A
So
what's
really
highlighted
in
red,
what's
what's
kind
of
delineated,
there
is
what
the
market
is
not
currently
producing
for
renters,
that's
the
top
gray
bar
and
then
for
homeowners
since
the
bottom.
A
So
it's
clear
and
sort
of
seeing
at
least
as
far
as
the
snapshot
goes,
that
the
market
is
not
providing
renter
or
ownership
opportunities
for
a
portion
of
the
community,
largely
that
80
to
100,
or
excuse
me,
yeah
80,
to
100
for
for
rental
for
renters
and
then
80
up
to
120
for
home
ownership
opportunities.
A
A
One
other
thing
to
note
here
that
I
do
want
to
spend
just
a
minute
on
explaining
is
that
you'll
see
that
zero
to
30
percent
ami
is
not
was
not
included
in
the
core
housing
target
identified
by
the
consultant
and
the
primary
well
there's
a
couple
of
reasons.
A
A
A
Secondly,
if
we
assume
that
zero
to
thirty
percent
is
subsidized,
then
if
we're
able
to
target
and
bring
sixty
percent
ami
units
to
the
market,
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
those
thirty
percent,
those
households
earning
up
to
30
ami,
would
income
qualify
for
the
subsidy
so
because
they
have
the
subsidy,
the
tenant-based
rental
assistance,
the
voucher,
etc.
They'd
pay
up
to
30
of
their
income,
thereby
being
able
to
access.
A
You
know
a
60
ami
unit,
if
you
will,
where
this
kind
of
gets
tricky
or
where
it
gets
sort
of
difficult
or
more
difficult,
more
complex
is
if
a
household
does
not
have
a
subsidy
or
rental
assistance
and
I'll
give
you
two
examples.
One
of
those
is
within
the
city
of
boise's
own
rental
housing.
Our
rents
are
remarkably
low,
if
not
the
lowest
in
in
the
city
or
in
you
know,
the
valley
area.
A
A
A
L
A
A
So
as
far
as
low
income
wage
earners,
you
know
I
it's
it's
interesting
in
the
covid
era,
so
kind
of
seeing
who
is
included
in
this
category-
and
I'm
sure
you
like
me-
are
taking
note
that
these
are
or
do
include
our
are
essential
workers,
or
at
least
a
portion
of
them.
A
J
Mayor,
yes,
thanks
maureen
as
we
go
through
these
I'm
making
the
assumption
that
these
are
per
person
and
not
per
household,
and
I
wonder,
as
as
we
go
forward,
just
just
thinking
about
what
that
means
for
housing.
A
Madam
mayor
council,
president
clegg
you're
right
and
certainly
there
are
a
lot
of
moving
parts,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
comparing
apples
to
apples
and
when
we
have
some
of
that
more
nuanced,
more
complex
data
that
we're
anticipating
receiving
in
the
next
several
weeks
as
far
as
our
housing
needs
assessment,
you're
exactly
right
that
we're
going
to
have
to
sort
of
align
just
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
individual
wage
earners
versus
a
household
and
then
the
household
size
that
were
that
we're
referencing.
To
madam.
L
A
L
L
A
A
Madam
mayor
council,
member
sanchez,
absolutely
we
can
look
at
sort
of
a
broader
or
more
comprehensive
range
in
terms
of
where,
where
workers
specifically
fall
within
each
of
those
categories,
because
you're
right
there's
a
pretty
significant
jump,
at
least
in
the
examples
provided
here
between.
L
L
L
With
council
president
clegg
about
it
would
be
great
to
see
the
individual
and-
and
actually
I
don't
know
if
we
have
that
anywhere
in
the
surveys
and
studies
that
we
do
in
the
city
about
how
that
breaks
down
in
our
city,
how
many
single
households
do
we
have?
I
think
that'd
be
a
fascinating
thing
to
look
at.
Thank
you.
Maureen.
A
A
Okay,
so
if
that
is
sort
of
the
overview,
then
of
the
spectrum
of
housing
needs,
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
the
tools
that
we
have
currently
that
the
city
has
currently
to
respond
to
those
needs.
These
are
two
again
that
I'm
sure
mayor
and
council
are
familiar
with.
There
are
two
long-standing
housing
and
urban
development
programs
that
serve
zero
to
households,
earning
zero
to
eighty
percent
ami
cdbg
funds,
public
services-
that
usually
has
a
fifteen
percent
tap
in
two
of
our
program
years
program
year.
Nineteen
and
20.
A
that
cap
has
been
lifted
because
of
covid
for
covid
related
public
services,
so
we've
been
able
to
expend
more
dollars
there
more
funds
there
and
then
also
with
community
development
block
grant
funds.
We
can
do
acquisition
or
rehab
as
far
as
affordable
housing
is
concerned,
but
we
cannot
construct
new
with
cdbg
with
home.
A
You
can
construct,
we
have
home
in
a
handful
of
projects
throughout
the
city
now,
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
point
out,
because
this
will
be
a
new.
You
know
a
new
tool.
A
new
resource,
if
you
will
home,
is
the
formula
that
the
american
rescue
plan
used
to
allocate
what's
called
home,
arp
funds.
The
city's
allocation
is
2.9
million.
A
I
I
also
won't
get
into
the
program
details
on
these
three.
You
all
know
these
by
and
large
certainly
can
pass
along
some
some
specifics.
If,
if
that's
helpful
through
you
know,
memo
or
email,
the
housing
incentives
program
and
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
are
relatively
new.
A
Both
like
I
was
saying
about
the
other
sort
of
tools
in
terms
of
evaluation
and
impact.
Both
of
these
will
need
to
be
evaluated
for
their
impact
and
really
just
get
into
kind
of
the
nitty
gritty
around
given
where
we
know
we
need
units
given
where
we
know
we
need
to
target
housing
income
level
wise.
How
do
these
tools
contribute
and
are
they
contributing
at
a
pace
and
an
economy
of
scale?
A
If
you
will,
that
makes
sense,
the
housing
incentive
program
serves
up
to
80
percent
ami
there's
a
larger
cash
incentive
for
30,
ami
and
50
ami
than
those
offered
at
80,
and
then
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
is
really
targeted
at
100
and
eighty
percent
ami
units,
the
land
trust
I
wanna
flag.
A
couple
things
here
for
you
one
is
that,
of
course,
it
was
sort
of
focused
on
mixed
income,
the
idea
being
that
by
allowing
some
market
rate
housing
that
that
could
could
or
would
also
unlock
some
affordable
housing
units.
A
We
have
tried
for
the
better
part
of
the
last
year
and
into
this
year
to
acquire
land
for
the
land
trust.
Certainly
this
strategy
or
tool
can
be
used
to
do
that.
But
you
know,
in
reference
to
my
point,
about
sort
of
being
nimble
and
responding
to
to
what
the
current
market
is
sort
of
allowing
or
offering.
A
We've
really
seen
limited
success
on
the
acquisition
side
in
this
market
right
now.
But
you
know,
then,
this
idea
of
the
housing
land
trust,
that's
where
it
sort
of
connects
or
pairs
runs
alongside
this
idea
of
leveraging.
What
this,
what
city
parcels
the
city
might
already
might
already
own
and
evaluating
whether
those
parcels
are
suitable
for
housing.
L
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
maureen.
I
have
a
question
about
the
housing
land
trust
when
we're
looking
at
spots
of
land
to
identify
for
that
are
we
are
we
tending
to
focus
on
like
big
swaths
of
land,
or
are
we
also
looking
at?
I
mean
I
don't
even
know
if
it's
possible,
but
you
know,
20
years
ago
we
had
a
lot
of
infill
houses.
You
know
I
was
in
one
of
them
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
if
we're
looking
at
that
at
those
opportunities
too
an
opportunity
for
for
in-field
housing.
A
Madam
mayor
council,
member
sanchez,
it's
all
on
the
table.
You
know
the
opportunity
for
sort
of
large
swaths
of
bear
land
are
getting
fewer
and
further
between
so
certainly
been
evaluating,
really
any
type
of
parcel
to
see
if
it
makes
sense
to
acquire
and
like
I
said
see
if
it
if
it
is
in
fact
suitable
for
housing.
A
A
There
that's
in
light
blue,
that's
where
it,
where
sort
of
it
really
demonstrates
which
income
levels
are
being
left
out
of
the
current
market
and
then
likewise,
who
the
current
market
is
able
to
serve
or
is
serving
so
average
rent
requires
a
household
to
be
earning
above
100
ami
single-family
home
we're
looking
at
greater
than
200
ami
versus
an
attached
home,
which
get
which
is
a
little
bit
lower.
A
A
So
the
supply
issue,
coupled
with
a
low
vacancy
rate-
and
I
would
note
here
that
there
are
half
a
dozen
very
complicated
ways
to
calculate
a
vacancy
rate,
but
really
under
any
method
or
formula.
The
current
vacancy
rate
is
lower
than
would
be
considered
healthy.
So
between
the
vacancy
rate
and
the
relatively
low
supply.
It's
a
bit
of
a
troubling
snapshot,
not
necessarily
surprising,
but
certainly
certainly
a
bit
a
bit
troubling
and
speaks
to
kind
of
where
we
are
formulaically.
As
far
as
the
vacancy
rate
and
supply
goes,
maureen.
J
Madame
yeah
yeah
go
ahead
thanks
so
to
my
earlier
point
when
you
say
requires
100
of
ami
you're
talking
household
now
to
make
that
average
rent,
and
so
if
it's
a
two-person
household
two
people
at
fifty
percent
of
ami
would
equal
a
hundred
percent.
I
percentages
always
get
squirrely,
so
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
was
reading
that
correctly
and
and
of
course
that's
you
know
the
larger
the
household,
the
more
you
have
other
expenses
like
child
care
which
all
play
into
it,
and
I
get
that.
A
L
Madame
thank
you
so
maureen.
I
have
a
question
about
so,
if
folks
are
not
able,
for
whatever
reason,
income
level
or
lack
of
available
units
to
rent
a
standalone
unit,
whether
it's
an
apartment
or
a
house,
do
we
keep
track
of
folks
who
are
doubling
up
who
are
entering
into
roommate
situations.
A
Madam
mayor
councilmember
sanchez,
not
in
any
really
systematic
way,
that's
a
remarkably
tough
number
to
track
the
school
districts
make
you
know,
kind
of
a
valiant
effort
to
do
that
so
that
they
understand
where
their
kiddos
are.
You
know,
just
speaking
from
the
homeless
services
perspective,
that's
a
population
that
we
care
a
lot
about.
That's
a
population,
that's
transient!
That's
a
population!
That's
in
and
out
of
a
doubled
up
situation.
A
You
know
maybe
sleeping
on
the
street
or
having
to
access
shelter
between
times.
So
it's
a
population
that
we
know
exists.
I
would
feel
really
uncomfortable
venturing,
a
guess
on
how
big
that
is.
That
being
said,
I
think
in
the
in
the
not
the
next
slide,
but
the
next
slide
that
sort
of
captures
that
population,
but
to
put
a
fine
point
on
it
is
it
would
be
pretty
difficult.
L
Madame
just
a
quick
follow-up
yep,
I
really
think
it's
an
important
population
that
we
need
to
track
and
it's
not
necessarily.
I
think,
the
folks
that
we
tend
to
think
of.
I
have
a
friend
who's
in
her
early
60s
and
she
she
can
only
be
in
a
roommate
situation.
L
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
probably
entering
into
that
kind
of
arrangement,
and
I
think
that
will
that's
going
to
be
bringing
some
different
issues.
I
know
that
there
are
some
housing
providers
who
I
think
are
very
particular
about
that
sort
of
thing.
If
there's
a
way
for
us
to
start
tracking
that
information,
I
think
we
should
try.
You
know
progress,
not
perfection,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
part
of
our
population.
I
I
know
that.
L
There's
a
number
of
people
I
know
personally,
who
are
in
that
that
gap,
where
the
only
thing
that
makes
sense
is
to
enter
into
a
roommate
situation.
A
Madam
mayor
councilmember
sanchez,
it's
certainly
a
population
that
that
we
care
about
as
well
like
I
said,
especially
our
path
home
and
the
homeless
services
population,
because
you're
right,
they
do
fall
into
a
gap
and
more
often
than
not
it's
our
non-leaseholder
that
are
doubled
up,
perhaps
in
an
overcrowded
situation,
etc
that
do
end
up
in
shelter
or
do
end
up
on
the
street.
A
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
a
number
that
we
could
kind
of
wrap
our
arms
around,
and
it's
one
that
again,
rather
than
focusing
up
too
hard
on
the
hard
number.
If
you
will
we
kind
of
want
to
bracket
it
in
a
confidence
interval
to
make
sure
you
know
how
have
a
decent
estimate
there
about
about
what
we
think
that
number
might
be.
L
Metamer,
just
to
clarify
a
little
bit
so,
like
I
pointed
out
that
gap
between
that,
what
was
it
1600
and
3500.
L
I
just
think
it's
important
that
we
find
a
way
to
be
inclusive
and
and
count
them
just
because
there
are
different
issues
that
come
up
for
folks
who
who
are
able
to
make
use
of
those
networks,
but,
like
I
said
I
know,
would
probably
never
make
use
of
a
homeless,
shelter
situation
or
be
on
the
streets
thanks
maureen.
A
Thank
you,
so
I
will
let
you
just
take
this
slide
in
it's
going
to
plug
into
this
last
point.
On
the
last
slide,
I
have
regarding
the
total
housing
needs
and
sort
of
circling.
Some
numbers
on
different
populations,
including
the
one
that
council
member
sanchez
was
just
was
just
speaking
to.
A
A
What
we
hope
to
bring
back
to
you
as
far
as
rounding
this
out
is
that
housing
needs
assessment.
That
they've
mentioned
a
couple
times,
that's
currently
underway.
The
way
that
assessment
is
getting
framed
up.
It
will
build
off
the
snapshot
data
that
we've
sort
of
gone
over
this
afternoon
together,
and
it
will
dive
into
council
member
sanchez.
I
think
you
in
particular,
given
the
questions
that
you've
had
will
be
interested
in
this
existing
needs,
so
cost
burdened
households,
unhoused
households,
maybe
overcrowded
housing
units
where
there
is
a
roommate
situation,
unfilled
jobs.
A
So
that
data
is
fourth
coming.
I
think
the
only
other
comment
I
would
kind
of
leave
you
with
and
council
member
holly
burton's
comments
from
the
previous
presentation
sort
of
struck
me
well.
A
couple
of
yours
did
actually
and
just
sort
of
how
these
issues
are
all
inner
rate
interrelated
because,
as
you
all
well
know,
for
a
very
long
time,
boise
has
been
quite
affordable
and
we
had
a
significant
amount
of
single-family
home
ownership.
B
Yes,
maureen.
Thank
you
for
the
the
presentation,
I'd
like
to
be
excited
about
it,
but
it
seems
hard
to
be
excited
about
it.
I'm
looking
at
that
equation
right
there
and
have
had
a
couple
conversations
even
just
earlier
today,
I'm
wondering
if
there
was
an
incoming
refugee
population
is
that
another
is
that
another
component
to
that
equation.
B
A
Madam
mayor
council,
member
holly
burton
the
short
answer
is
yes,
it
is
a
population
or
a
subpopulation
that
we're
considering
and
that
we
are
talking
to
in
earnest
about
what
the
needs
are
there
and
kind
of
where,
where
that
plugs
in
sort
of
what
what
category
and
then
how
we
can
facilitate
permanent
housing
for
our
for
our
new
residents
and
new
americans
do
so,
certainly
they
will
be
included
in
this
sort
of
you
know.
A
I
guess
it's
a
formula
here,
but
that
total
number
of
housing
units
needed
will
certainly
make
that
consideration.
G
A
A
G
A
Madam
mayor
council,
member
beijing,
two
things
one
is
that
I
will
cut.
I
will
get
back
to
you
on
the
number
of
units
added.
I
will
also
add
that
we're
making
a
push
to
make
sure
that
we're
tracking
the
affordability
of
those
units
that
we're
adding
and
then,
as
far
as
suggestions
go
in
terms
of
of
staying
nimble,
I
think,
having
the
data
and
having
it
current
and
keeping
it
current.
A
A
That's
what
comes
immediately
to
mind
for
me
in
terms
of
positioning
ourselves
to
be
nimble,
and
then
also-
and
I
mentioned
this
a
couple
times
too-
but
having
that
evaluation
and
impact
piece
in
place
so
that,
if
something's
not
working,
we
can
call
it.
You
know
we
can
call
a
spade
a
spade.
Come
back
to
mayor
and
council
and
say:
hey
here's,
what
we're
seeing
here's,
how
and
where
we
want
to
pivot
and
and
have
the
ability
and
the
agility
to
get
that
done.
C
C
We
know
what
we're
missing
and
then
we
can
measure
our
progress
with
this
notion
that
what
we
measure
will
be
able
to
manage
better-
and
that
includes
owning,
if
we're
not
meeting
the
goals
that
we
need
to
to
meet
and
then
figuring
out
how
we
meet
them,
but
an
example
would
be
if
you
go
back
to
that,
the
rainbow
the
half
moon
chart
for
a
long
long
time,
the
workforce,
housing
level,
the
80
to
100
ami
wasn't
being
built
by
the
market.
C
So
this
last
year
we
proposed
a
housing
bonus,
ordinance
that
was
tied
to
really
that
80
to
120
ami,
a
market
level
housing,
and
so
once
we
have
all
this
data
fleshed
out.
The
idea
of
being
nimble
is
that,
okay,
we
can
see
what
we
have,
what
we're
missing
and
so
really
what
we
need
and
then
what
policies
do
we
implement
to
to
try
to
move
the
needle
on
that
piece
that
we're
missing
and
then,
if
we
real?
C
If
we
see
that
you
know
the
market
is
handling
something
that
we've
developed
the
policy
for,
but
something
else
is
missing,
then
how
do
we
prioritize
our
resources,
both
dollars
and
people
like
staff
time
to
make
something
happen?
And
so
I
look
at
this
chart
the
deep
green,
because
we
know
the
light
green
and
the
light
blue
needs
help.
C
It
could
well
be
that
some
of
our
new
policies
are
helping
drive
the
market
to
go
after
that
niche,
but
we
need
to
do
more
to
get
to
the
darker
shades
of
green,
and
it's
that
it's
that
nimble
know
what's
missing
and
then
come
to
council
with
the
policy
proposal
to
attempt
to
address
it
measure
the
impact
tweak
it
if
needed.
That.
G
Makes
I
mean
phenomenally
perfect
sense?
I
don't
understand
how
we
could
credibly
tell
people
that
we're
going
to
tackle
affordable
housing.
If
we
don't
have
the
information,
we
need
to
know
the
situation
we're
in
and
to
identify.
What's
changing,
and
so
I
don't
think
my
enthusiastic
support
counts
for
terribly
much,
I'm
one
of
six
but
like
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
have
the
information
to
accurately
identify
and
know.
What's
going
on,
I
that,
if
that's
what
we
mean
by
nimble
like
yeah,
100
support
that
because
we
need
it.
C
It's
having
the
information,
but
it's
also
then
being
willing
to
take
action
with
that
information
we
have,
and
so
it's
both
those
pieces
in
terms
of
being
simple
and
recognizing
that
our
team
of
great
employees
could
come
to
us
and
say:
okay,
we
know
we're
missing,
you
know
this
is
what
we
need
right.
You
know
this
and,
of
course
it
takes
a
little
while
to
get
there
you're
not
going
to
get
it
tomorrow,
but
this
is
what
we
need.
C
This
is
what
we
think
will
help
us
get
there
with
feedback
from
the
community
from
policy
specialists
from
developers.
Can
we
please
try
it?
It
won't
be
necessarily
perfectly
planned
out
in
terms
of
you
know.
We
know
we
will
get
x,
but
if
they're
asking
us
to
be
willing
to
try
things
when
they
believe
that'll
actually
get
us
there,
so
move
quicker
than
we
might
have
historically
be
willing
to
try
some
of
the
policies
they
bring
forward
to
meet
that
niche.
Knee
that
the
data
they're
collecting
is
identifying
that
we
need
to
try.
J
I
think
everyone
knows
that
I'm
particularly
interested
in
the
dark
dark,
green
part
of
the
bar
that
you
just
showed
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
parse
it
in
such
a
way
that
that
we
can
really
serve
those
folks
who
are
perhaps
least
able
to
serve
themselves.
J
In
addition,
and
and
I'm
looking
forward,
you
know
to
the
rest
of
the
data
that
will
will
help
with
that.
In
addition,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
part
of
the
assessment
that
they're
doing
on
the
full
housing
needs
to
understand
how
that
fits
both
with
our
current
policies
in
terms
of
blueprint,
boise
and
our
zoning
regulations,
but
also
in
terms
of
available
land
for
either
no
development
or
redevelopment.
J
That
would
be
able
to
serve
to
add
the
number
of
housing
units
that
we
think
we
need.
I
think
you
know,
as
I
look
out
at
this
landscape,
knowing
that
when
we
originally
did
blueprint
boise,
we
estimated
that
we
would
need
to
add
75
000
units
as
infill
and
another
75
000
as
new
construction
on
previously
vacant
land
or
underutilized
land.
You
know,
where
are
we
in
that
metric
and
what's
what's
available,
what's
easily
available?
Are
there
policy
changes
we'll
need
to
make
to
make
some
of
it
more
easily
available?
J
I
know
we're
asking
for
a
lot.
I
know
that
these
are
hard
bits
of
data
to
get,
but
I
think
I
agree
with
council
member
beijing,
though
the
more
data
we
have
and
with
the
mayor
the
more
data
we
have,
the
better
decisions
we're
going
to
be
able
to
make,
but
also
the
easier
it's
going
to
be
to
defend
those
those
decisions
and
describe
the
rationale
for
applying.
Why
we're
making
those.
A
Madam
mayor
council,
president
click,
if,
if
I
may
just
offer
a
comment
in
response
to
that,
I
think
you're
exactly
right
and
it
would
be
a
goal
of
mine
that
our
staff
is
prepared
to
give
you
the
data
needed
to
evaluate
trade-offs
because
they're
going
to
be
trade-offs
and
they're
going
to
be.
You
know
a
give
and
take
in
terms
of
what
those
decision
points
are.
So
as
long
as
you
have
that
you
know
deep
sort
of
comprehensive
understanding
of
what
those
tradeoffs
are
and
what
they
mean.
A
That's
where
I
want
to
see
us
get
to
so
that
we
can
start.
You
know
we
have
been
attacking
this
in
various
ways,
but
the
need
is
just
so
great.
How
can
we?
A
A
J
L
L
A
Madam
mayor
council,
member
sanchez-
I
have
not
personally,
I
don't
know
about
you-
know
my
predecessor,
predecessor.
If
there
was
a
presentation
you
know
made
or
made
recently.
Certainly
it
would
be
a
good
idea
and
I
think,
through
our
new
well
newer
director
of
intergovernmental
affairs,
we
could
certainly
facilitate
something
just
like
that.
We
have
been
in
good
touch
with.
You
know
her
contacts
in
our
in
our
lobbyists
in
terms
of
communicating
more
regularly
what
we
know
that
needs
to
be,
but
I'll
reiterate
it.
A
I
think,
having
this
data
and
then
the
data,
that's
coming
we're
better
positioned
to
go.
Have
that
conversation
and
really
highlight
some
key
points
for
them
and
also
an
ask
because
one
thing,
that's
kind
of
been
on
my
mind:
is
the
city
can
fund
certain
afford
housing,
affordability,
efforts
to
a
certain
degree
that
will
that
will
get
us?
A
L
You
know,
I'm
I'm
thinking
about
how
this
issue
affects
other
types
of
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
in
the
city
and
council
member
thompson,
and
I
recently
had
a
meeting
with
with
chief
lee,
and
I
think
he
actually
shared
this
information
during
one
of
our
other
work
sessions
or
council
meetings
where
he
talked
about
not
being
able
to
offer
a
position
to
prospective
new
police
officers,
because
in
the
amount
of
time
it
took
for
them
to
go
through
the
process,
the
housing
prices
had
risen
and
they
could
no
longer
afford
to
move
here.
L
Even
if
they
were
selected
for
the
position
and
as
as
we
know
from
chief
lee's
presentation,
we
we
need
a
large
number
of
police
officers
to
keep
pace
with
our
growth,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
for
folks
to
know
how
the
housing
issue
is
affecting
the
other
important
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
in
the
city.
Thank
you.
L
C
Right
well,
we
will
have
maureen
back
when
the
data
is
more
fleshed
out,
but
wanted
you
all
to
see
the
first
round
of
information
we've
gotten,
because
it's
our
intent
once
we
have
all
of
this
even
more
fleshed
out.
C
We
need
to
ask
partners
at
the
state
level
and
federal
level
to
help
us
with
two
and
so,
and
we
had
this
affordable
housing
piece
today
and
a
couple
weeks
from
now,
maureen
will
be
back
to
discuss
permanent
supportive
housing
and
needs
of
those
experiencing
homelessness,
but
are
looking
at
them,
while
they're
related
in
some
ways
or
looking
at
them
separately
because
of
the
formulas
and
the
data
that
we
want
to
collect
and
then
the
policies
that
we
need
to
push
forward.
So
we
will
be
seeing
maureen
quite
a
bit
more.
C
As
we
all
know,
it's
housing,
housing,
housing
these
days
and
we've
got
a
team
in
place
that
are
also
working
to
find
the
right
people
to
join
the
team
to
help
us
get
where
we
as
a
council
and
a
city
know
we
need
to
be
to
meet
the
needs
of
our
residents
with
that
we
will
recess
for
half
an
hour,
we'll
be
back
at
six
o'clock
tonight
thanks
everybody.