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A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
boise
city
design
review
committee
meeting
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
for
tonight's
proceedings,
everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak.
As
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you
will
be
called
upon
and
promoted
to
panelists.
You
will
briefly
leave
the
meeting
and
then
rejoin
with
the
ability
to
speak.
A
A
After
that,
we
will
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
signed
up
on
the
online
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
3
minutes
for
testimony.
A
A
B
Thank
you
josh.
I
would
like
to
call
the
october
14
2020
design
review
committee
meeting
to
order.
We
are
the
citizen
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
design
review
permits.
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
boise
city
planning
and
zoning
commission
provided.
B
B
And
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report-
and
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
in
the
order
homage
or
on
the
order
on
the
agenda
with
stat
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
public
testimony.
B
Thank
you
for
all
virtually
attending
tonight
victoria.
Will
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
B
C
C
B
B
F
I
will
also
be
kept
standing.
I
was
not
at
the
last
hearing.
B
Thank
you,
and
with
that
victoria
you
please
call
the.
C
C
D
B
We
do
have
one
item
that
it's
up
for
to
pearl
tonight.
That
item
is
number
five
on
the
agenda.
B
Drh20.00408
location
is
one
zero
zero,
two
six
north
eisenmann
road
to
construct
a
trucking
facility
with
a
convenience
store
building
field,
pumps.
B
B
18
days,
if
you,
if
this
is
a
true,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
See
no
hands
being
raised.
That
concludes
our
item
start
for
our
deferral
and
I
would
take
a
motion
on
the
parole.
G
B
Hearing,
none
victoria
will
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
B
Thank
you.
The
first
item
that
we
are
considering
for
tonight's
consent
agenda
is
item
number
two.
B
Drh20-00317,
the
location
is
615
north
pierce
street.
It's
to
construct
a
new
family
residence
with
waiver
requests
on
a
substandard
lot
of
record
without
ali
access
in
an
r1c
zone
is
the
applicant
present.
If
you
are
please
virtually
raise
your
hand,
I
see
you
raised
hand
thank
you
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
B
B
Second
item:
to
be
considered
for
tonight's
consent
agenda
is
item
number
three:
it's
drh20-00316,
the
location
is
6406
west
gown
road.
So
the
construction
of
two
two-story
industrial
buildings,
totaling
approximately
54
200
square
feet
with
associated
site
improvements
on
a
property
located
in
the
zone
is
the
applicant
present.
Please
virtually
raise
your.
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Please
let
the
record
show
the
applicant
isn't
in
attendance,
but
is
in
favor
her
staff
comments.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition
to
this
item
tonight?
If
you
are,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
I
see
no
raised
hands
and
if
this
case
since
that
is
the
case,
item
will
also
be
moved
to
the
consent
agenda.
Those
that
concludes
our
items
to
be
heard
or
considered
for
our
conceited
agenda.
So
I
would
entertain
emotion,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
mr
reedy.
D
I
move
that
we
accept
the
consent
agenda
items
presented
that
you've
been
put
on
the
pres
consent
agenda,
including
the
recommended
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
noted
in
each
project
report.
B
E
B
Hearing
none
victoria
will
you
please
call
the
role.
B
J
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
committee
members.
This
is
a
sign
variance
request
in
the
capital,
boulevard,
special
design,
review
district
and
the
process
for
these
is
that
the
design
review
committee
forwards
a
recommendation
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
that
planning
and
zoning
commission
is
tentatively
scheduled
for
november
9th.
J
J
So
here
is
a
view
as
if
you're
standing
in
front
of
city
hall
on
capitol
boulevard
looking
towards
the
capitol
building-
and
here
is
the
subject
building.
This
is
idaho
street,
and
this
is
the
subject
sign
that
they
would
like
to
replace
and
the
existing
sign
was
approved
in
2010
and
from
our
documentation
on
that
sign.
It
does
conform
with
the
current
standards
which
limit
the
sign
area
to
65
square
feet
in
the
capital
boulevard
overlay,
and
this
sign
is
approximately
60
square
feet.
J
Words
are
above
the
key
logo
and
they
would
like
to
refresh
the
sign
to
be
to
match
their
current
branding,
and
the
key
bank
you
can
see
is
in
front
of
the
key
now
and
both
the
key
bank
words
and
the
key
logo
are
proposed
to
be
larger
than
the
existing
sign,
but
they
don't
come
any
closer
to
that
capital.
Boulevard
corridor,
they're
the
same
distance
away
from
that
building
edge.
J
And
within
that
district
there
are
special
sign
requirements
and
the
applicant
is
asking
for
a
variance
to
number
two
there
that
the
wall
signs
shall
not
exceed
15
of
the
wall
area
in
size
or
65
square
feet.
Whichever
is
less
we'll
just
go
back
here,
so
their
proposal
is
277
square
feet,
so
that
would
exceed
that
maximum
of
65
square
feet.
J
J
So
this
is
a
wall
sign
which
is
an
allowed
sign
type
so
that
one
they
will
have
met
and
then
non-conforming
signs
in
the
vicinity
surrounding
the
subject
site
may
not
be
used
as
justification
for
a
special
circumstance.
So
we
can't
look
at
other
signs
nearby
that
are
non-conforming
in
order
to
support
the
variance.
J
J
J
This
is
kind
of
an
iconic
view
that
we
try
to
keep
not
cluttered
looking
and
we
want
to
preserve
the
view
of
the
capital.
So
you
can
see
the
key
bank
building
is
not
visible
from
here,
so
the
existing
sign
or
the
proposed
line
is
not
visible
and
then,
by
the
time
you
get
in
front
of
city
hall,
that's
when
the
sign
is
visible
so
from
in
front
of
city
hall
you'd
see.
The
sign
here
will
look
larger,
because
this
entire
facade
here
is
visible.
J
J
And
then
the
third
is,
the
granting
of
the
variants
will
not
be
material
materially
detrimental
to
the
public,
health,
safety
or
welfare.
There
are
residential
condos
across
idaho
street
and
we
did
receive
a
couple
comments
just
concerned
mainly
about
the
light,
and
I
think
we
didn't
have
this
information
when
putting
the
packet
together.
But
I
think
the
applicant
has
more
information
about
what
they're
willing
to
do
with
the
lighting
and
then,
of
course,
the
larger
sign
is
going
to
just
be
more
visually
intrusive
than
the
existing
sign.
J
So,
based
on
this
analysis,
we're
recommending
that
we
forward
a
recommendation
of
denial
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
just
on
the
fact
that
there
wasn't
enough
information
provided
that
shows
those
variance.
Findings
were
clearly
met,
but
I
think
the
applicant
does
have
some
more
information
available,
so
maybe
they
can
clarify
some
of
that
further
and
then,
alternatively,
you
can
forward
a
recommendation
of
approval
of
the
sign
as
it's
proposed
and
then
you'd
need
to
clearly
state
how
those
variance
findings
are
met
or
you
can
forward
a
recommendation
of
approval.
J
D
Can
I
request
to
the
staff
I
I
know
that
the
square
footage
and
the
signing
amount
of
signage
along
capitol
boulevard
has
been
updated
at
some
point.
Could
you
tell
me
when
the
last
time
it
was
updated.
J
B
Oh
I
see
mike
and
as
soon
as
you're
able
to
speak
mike.
If
you
would
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the.
B
K
B
Yeah
feel
free
to
yep
present
or
have
any
other
items
that
you
want
to
address
at
this
time.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
key
bank
would
like
to
update
the
existing
sign
to
match
their
current
linear
logo
and,
in
doing
so,
provide
a
little
bit
more
visibility
to
that
sign.
K
Currently,
the
existing
sign
is
primarily
visible
from
the
east
due
to
the
stacked
format
of
that
sign
with
the
newer
linear
sign,
it
would
be
visible
more
from
the
east
and
the
west
in
doing
so.
That
would
provide
more
visibility
and
and
generally
speaking,
advertisement
for
key
bank
with
the
new
mural,
that's
been
painted
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
There's
a
lot
of
photography,
that's
being
photographs
that
are
being
taken
of
the
building
and
with
the
new
layout.
K
The
sign,
the
exact,
let
me
qualify
that
the
existing
sign
is
eight
foot
one
overall
in
height,
the
new
sign
would
be
seven
foot
eleven,
so
the
overall
height
of
the
new
sign
for
the
existing
sign
are
comparable.
K
It's
just
that
the
new
sign
would
be
longer
as
far
as
the
impact
on
the
downtown
corridor.
It's
I
I
guess
our
hardship
is
essentially
the
same
as
that:
the
advantage
when
it
comes
to
the
impact
on
the
corridor
and
that
that
would
be
limited
with
the
building
across
the
street.
The
tower
plaza
blocking
our
primary
sign
area.
The
the
overall
visibility
is
limited
unless
you're
again
coming
from
the
east
or
the
west.
K
As
far
as
the
illumination
goes
of
the
sign,
we
are
able
to
are
willing
to
concede
and
limit
the
hours
of
illumination.
Perhaps
we
turn
off
the
sign
at
11
p.m,
and
it
comes
back
on
at
5,
00
a.m
or
something
along
those
lines.
K
We
understand
that
there's
condos
across
the
street
and
the
residents
there
have
some
concerns,
as
previously
noted,
there's
no
increased
visibility
of
the
sign
from
the
capital
corridor,
capital.
B
D
Mr
dardis,
you
talked
about
limiting
the
hours
for
the
sign
being
lit,
the
new
sign
will
have
x
amount
of
light
being
pumped
out
of
it
foot
candles
or
whatever.
How
does
that
compare
to
what
the
existing
sign
has.
K
F
Mr
chairman,
yes,
so
a
question
for
the
applicant
also,
what
do
you
currently
limit
the
the
hours
that
it's
a
the
current
sign
is
illuminated.
B
G
Can
I
go
ahead?
Would
you
be
willing
to
turn
off
the
sign
a
little
bit
like
earlier,
something
like
10
to
six
11
to
five
sounds
a
little
bit
harsh
for
something.
That's
illuminated
directly
across
from
condos.
K
I
understand
your
point
and
I
I
do
think
that's
valid
and
I
think
we
can
concede
and
do
that.
Yes,.
C
B
This
time
is
there
any
member
of
the
neighborhood
association
present
tonight
would
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
Scene,
none,
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
sign
up
sheet
on
this
one.
Is
there
josh
for
those
that
signed.
B
B
See
no
hands
being
raised
so
apparently
no
adverse
testimony
for
tonight.
Any
last
things
from
the
applicant
that
you
want
to
state
prior
to
closing
the
public
portion
of
the
testimony.
K
Now
I
would
just
like
to
emphasize
that
the
overall
design
of
the
site
is
consistent
with
their
logo
and
the
displays
that
they've
installed
in
other
cities
across
the
country.
K
B
B
So
with
that
we
did
get
the
one
some
information
from
the
public
wishing
that
they
weren't
necessarily
not
in
support
of
the
sign,
but
they
did
wish
to
have
the
hours
limited
to.
B
As
you
had
mentioned,
dana
from
like
10
until
six
applicants
seems
to
be
in
agreement
with
that
other
items
that
they
kind
of
listed.
It
seems
like
the
their
bare.
Their
variance
was
due
to
the
height
of
the
buildings
for
the
wall
facing
direction
facing
south
on
capital
that
there
is
very
limited
visibility
to
that
sign
and
that's
their
main
variance.
B
G
Looking
at
the
current
sign
and
the
proposed
sign,
the
proposed
sign
is
far
more
in
scale
with
the
building
than
the
current
sign,
which
honestly
looks
a
little
bit
dinky
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
and
I
agree
that
there's
no
adverse
consequences
to
putting
up
a
larger
sign,
and
I
can
see
why
the
applicant
wants
to
have
a
larger
sign.
G
You
really
can't
see
that
the
current
sign
from
any
any
distance-
and
you
definitely
cannot
see
it
from
the
street
below
it-
took
me
a
few
years
to
realize
that
that
was
the
key
bank
building
that
people
were
referring
to,
because
the
sign
is
just
not
visible.
So
I
would
fully
support
the
proposed
sign.
B
Thank
you
quick
question
to
staff
the
west
facing
wall
that
has
a
mural
on
it
now
did
that
previously
have
signage
on
it
recently
or
key
bank.
B
E
As
these
new
structures
are
added-
and
you
know,
their
sign
packages
are
going
to
come
in
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
are
consistent
with
the
current
standards
and
requirements
now,
if
staff
planning
and
zoning
council
at
some
point
want
to
revisit
the
signed
ordinance,
and
maybe
the
ordinance
should
be
revised,
but
I
don't,
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
set
a
variant
or
precedent
here,
as
we
have
other
buildings
coming
online
here
soon
and
hopefully
more
in
the
future,
and
I
don't
think,
there's
really
a
hardship
associated
with
the
existing
sign
science
size.
D
Mr
chairman,
I
I
would
concur
with
those
last
comments.
You
know
I
I
basically
I
don't
see
the
hardship
or
the
exceptional
nature
that
the
sign
needs
to
be
changed.
We
want
to
be
pretty
careful
not
to
get
into
the
habit
of
increasing
the
clutter
whatever
how
any.
However,
anybody
wants
to
define
clutter
that
goes
along
that
capital
of
our
district,
and
if
planning
and
zoning
wants
to
change
the
criteria
for
that
sign,
then
let
them
have
at
it.
D
B
B
G
It
looks
like
the
precedent
has
already
been
set.
The
grove
hotel
received
a
variance,
and
I
believe
in
the
packet,
there
were
two
other
signs
in
the
capital
corridor
that
received
variances,
and
I
understand
from
the
staff
presentation
that
we
aren't
supposed
to
compare
this
current
sign
or
this.
This
proposal
for
the
new
sign
with
any
other
signs,
and
so
I
would
imagine
in
the
future
that
this
could
not
be
counted
as
precedent
setting.
F
Mr
chairman,
I
guess
you
know
I
can
see
kind
of
the
point
of
that.
We're
not
maybe
not
necessarily
setting
a
precedent
here,
but
on
the
same
hand,
we
can't
use
the
past
signs
that
have
been
approved
as
a
reason
to
approve
this
one
also.
F
I
think
it
boils
down
to
in
my
mind
that
there's
not
really
a
hardship.
That's
being
shown.
I
mean
I
understand
that
it's
not
visible
from
capital
boulevard
and
you
know
maybe
design
wise.
It
fits
better
with
the
building,
but
being
a
recommendation
to
planning
and
zoning
I
feel
like
if
they
want
to
take
on
a
modification
to
it
or
they
decide
that
the
variance
is
appropriate
at
that
level,
and
that's
since
we're
just
recommending
they
could
go
against
our
recommendation,
regardless
of
what
we
send
to
them.
F
But
on
this
you
know
in
the
case
of
not
using
other
signs
or
using
other
signs,
I
don't
think
we
can
look
at
anything.
That's
happened
in
the
past
and
we
just
have
to
take
it
this
on
the
you
know,
individual
basis,
and
I
don't
see
a
hardship
or
exceptional
circumstance
other
than
their
sign
is
too
small
and
they'd
like
to
have
better
advertising,
which
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
businesses
would
as
well,
but
we
hold
them
to
that
same
standard.
That's
set
in
the
in
the
sign
code.
Right
now,.
B
Well
with
that,
would
anybody
like
to
take
a
stab
at
a
motion
or
wreck
on
a
recommendation
to
forward
declining
zone.
F
Mr
chairman,
yes
I
would.
I
could
move
that
we
forward
a
recommendation
of
denial
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
cva
20-008.
D
B
Illumination
times
that
they
were
considering,
however,
from
our
side
on
the
committee
have
not
been
able
to
identify
a
hardship
and
that's
why
we
are
boarding
on
to
planning
and
zoning.
This
recommendation
of
denial
is
that
kind
of
surmise
people's
thoughts.
F
E
C
F
B
B
Buildings
with
associated
site
improvements
on
a
property
located
in
our
3d
zone
and
this
time
casey
you
want
to
give
us
the.
L
So
for
some
context,
these
are
some
photos
taken
at
the
corners
of
the
existing
property.
This
is
also
a
very
rough
color
blocking
of
the
general
uses
in
the
area.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
rather
mixed
use.
Neighborhood.
We
see
a
lot
of
commercial,
largely
auto
sales,
some
office,
as
well
as
a
daycare,
some
multi-family
adjacent
to
the
proposed
development,
as
well
as
some
single
family
development.
L
We
are
going
to
require
three
color
palettes,
so
they
show
a
gray
palette
in
this
image.
They've
also
provided
some
information
for
a
brown
tone
palette
we're
going
to
require
a
third
one,
because
this
development,
the
size
of
it,
doesn't
require
differing
the
actual
form
of
the
structures.
So
we
find
that
having
different
colors
help,
add
some
more
design
variety.
L
The
applicant
is
going
to
be
required
to
restructure
part
of
susan
drive
site
parking
seems
to
be
the
main
concern
for
the
public,
so
I
wanted
to
focus
most
attention
here.
Site
parking
is
found
within
the
boise
city
zoning
code.
It
is
not
within
design
review
guidelines,
so
it
is
something
specific
to
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
not
within
the
jurisdiction
or
purview
of
the
design
review
committee
to
alter.
L
So
what
is
required
on
this
site
is
23
parking
stalls
for
multi-family
parking
is
determined
based
off
of
number
of
rooms
in
each
unit.
Each
unit
has
three
bedrooms
which
require
1.5
parking
stalls
each
for
a
total
of
18
stalls.
We
also
require
an
additional
guest
parking
for
one
there's.
Also,
if
there's
a
sign
parking,
we
do
require
an
increase
of
20
percent.
L
This
is
not
specifically
applicable
to
this
design
since
they
are
using
individual
garages,
it's
kind
of
more
relevant
when
it's
a
flat
parking
lot
residential
or
office,
but
we
did
do
these
calculations
to
ensure
that,
with
the
assigned
parking
we
still
have
that
20
increase.
L
What
is
provided
by
the
applicant
is
24
stalls,
so
each
unit
has
its
own
two-car
garage,
so
two
parking
stalls
in
addition
to
the
24
stalls
on
site,
which
meets
the
required
parking.
The
applicant
indicates
an
additional
six
on-street
parking
stalls
adjacent
to
the
property
per
the
multi-family
guidelines
of
the
boise
city.
Zoning
code,
we
are
able
to
actually
reduce
the
number
of
required
on-site
parking
stalls
if
there
is
adjacent
on-street
parking
stalls.
We're
not
doing
that
here.
L
We
see
that
the
project
does
have
the
appropriate
required
parking
on
site,
but
having
on-site
parking
stalls
does
give
the
opportunity
for
some
overflow
if
needed.
As
long
as
there's
no
restrictions
on
the
streets,
we
did
have
some
late
public
comments
that
were
forwarded
to
the
committee
this
morning.
L
They
are
provided
by
karen
spencer,
who
is
the
owner
of
property
located
at
8865
and
8867
irving
street,
since
they
weren't
sure
if
they
were
going
to
be
able
to
present
today,
I
want
to
provide
some
context
to
show
that
their
property
is
near
the
subject
property,
so
their
duplex
is
just
one
lot
away.
Their
comments
were
primarily
concerned
about
parking
that
there
want
to
be
sufficient
stalls
for
residents
on
site.
There's
also
concerns
that
there's
already
overflow
parking
on
the
street,
so
those
six
on
street
parking
stalls
wouldn't
necessarily
be
available
to
the
site.
L
There
are
also
concerns
about
who
would
necessarily
live
in
this
in
this
development
concerns
that
each
unit
would
have
three
three
vehicles.
So
those
were
the
primary
summary
of
the
comments
we
did
have
some
comments
submitted
shortly
before
the
hearing
by
a
separate
member
of
the
public.
Unfortunately,
they
were
submitted
too
soon
to
be
able
to
accept
them
into
the
record
and
give
them
to
the
committee.
I
B
Idaho,
thank
you
feel
free
to
present
what
you
would
like
this
time.
I
Thank
you
for
making
yourselves
available
in
whatever
form
it
is
during
this
time,
but
it
is
greatly
appreciated.
I
appreciate
staff's
help
through
this
and
we
really
aren't
asking
for
anything
outside
of
what
is
required.
We
have
the
required
setbacks.
I
We
have
no
no
structure
over
two
stories
which
is
compatible
with
the
development
directly
to
our
east,
which
is
a
combination
of
two
stories.
It's
much
less,
of
course,
than
the
new
apartments
to
the
south,
which
are,
I
think,
three
stories.
Our
setbacks
are
within
code.
We
have
significant.
I
Pedestrian
way
around
the
property
and
through
the
property,
the
design
is
such
that
we
are
working
on
a
concept
of
community
neighborhood
in
each
area
where
the
entryways
and
is
on
an
interior
patio
as
compared
to
facing
the
streets
in
regard
to
the
parking
you
know
we
have
provided.
Actually,
I
think,
if
you
consider
our
full
proposal
about
50
percent,
more
than
is
actually
required
by
code.
I
I
I
I
In
regard
to
the
off-street
parking,
I
understand
that
there
is
particularly
with
the
new
apartments
next
door.
There
seems
to
be,
according
to
the
comments
that
I
have
seen
a
concern
about
the
additional
parking
on
the
street
and,
while
that
may
be
true,
it
is
a
kind
of
a
first
come
first
serve
situation,
so
if
there
was
a
need
for
offset
parking
off-site
parking
as
a
result
of
either
residences
or
their
guests,
it's
no
worse
than
the
development
to
the
east
of
us
and
to
the
south
of
us.
I
I
We
think
it's
a
good
project
for
the
site
and
it's
a
very
visible
empty
site,
which
now
that
we've
taken
down
the
old,
dilapidated
house,
that's
there,
and
I
think
this
is
a
very,
very
good
and
compatible
use.
A
good
blend
between
the
three-story,
commercial
apartment,
look
and
the
residential
look
not
only
to
our
east
but
to
some
degree
the
single
single
family
across
the
street.
I
B
At
this
time
is
your
name
representation
from
the
neighborhood
association.
That's
present
tonight,
so
please
come
forward
or
virtually
raise
your
hand,
see
miss
spencer,
karen.
B
Would
miss
spencer,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
when
you're.
D
H
Okay,
I
apologize.
This
is
my
first
time
doing
this,
so
I
apologize
and
my
neighbor
sarah
christensen
is
also
scheduled
to
testify,
but
I
did
submit
my
statement
earlier
today
and
I
will
say
that
we
do
have
serious
concerns.
H
H
The
apartments
that
were
just
constructed
are
two-bedroom
apartments.
Those
are
currently
housing,
at
least
three
adults
just
to
afford
the
1400
a
month
rent-
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
this
area.
This
is
not
a
high-end
area.
People
will
be
looking
at
their
windows
and
seeing
a
1970s
double
wide
across
the
street.
H
This
property
that
they're
proposing
is
like
creating
an
island.
This
small
section
of
parcel
will
be
consumed
by
this
construction
and
they
are
going
to
be
dependent
upon
our
little
one,
tenth
of
a
mile
and
susan,
which
is
a
dead
end
to
support
this
parking.
It's
a
fairly
narrow
residential
street
and
we
have
children
that
utilize
this
street
every
day
to
cross
and
go
to
horizon
elementary.
H
We
just
have
serious
concerns,
they're,
not
providing
the
parking.
I
don't
believe
a
two-car
garage
can
qualify
as
guest
parking.
My
guests
do
not
park
in
my
garage
and
they're,
not
providing
anything
other
than
garage
parking,
so
that
is
our
biggest
concern
and
and
I'm
speaking
for
everybody
on
our
street.
B
Thank
you,
miss
spencer,
any
any
questions
from
the
committee
at
this
time.
H
B
B
Sarah,
if
you
would,
when
you
unmute,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
M
Thanks,
I'm
sarah
christensen
and
I
live
at
8875
irving
street
number
101.
So
I'm
in
the
condominium,
karen
is
my
backyard
neighbor
and
the
proposed
units
are
are
to
the
west
of
me.
Just
like
karen.
I
speak
on
behalf
of
several
of
my
neighbors
that
I've
spoken
to
and
I
can
guarantee
when
I
have
time
to
go
and
talk
to
more
they're
gonna
have
the
same
concerns
when
rosewood
was
put
in
as
they
filled
up.
Their
parking
has
flowed
out
onto
susan.
M
Susan
is
now
there's
zero
extra
parking
on
susan
and
when
karen
and
I
went
walking
last
night
at
like
eight
o'clock
last
night,
where
the
development
is
currently
being
proposed,
there
were
20
cars
just
using
it
as
a
parking
lot.
So
when
this
development
is
going
to
go
in
those
cars
are
going
to
relocate
to
irving
street-
and
I
understand
it's
first
come
first
serve
and
I
know
it's
a
public
street
so
they'll
be
coming
over
and
I
would
happily
I
I
was
the.
M
I
was
the
person
that
submitted
her
comments
late
to
be
honest
with
you
I've.
Never.
This
is
my
first
time
at
a
public
hearing
and
I
yeah
it's
so
anyway.
I
have
some.
I
I
mean
I
can
tell
you
on
susan
street.
There
are
about
10
spaces
on
irving
street.
There
are
about
27
spaces,
leaving
a
total
number
of
street
parking
37
spaces
right.
M
M
It
dead
it
doesn't,
it
goes
through,
but
it
ends
at
maple
grove
estates,
which
is
a
trailer
park
and
those
residents
their
streets
are
so
narrow,
they're
not
allowed
to
park
on
the
street,
so
they
kind
of
flow
back
onto
irving
street
10
of
this
18
is
I
counted
that
on
susan
because
that's
already
used,
I
did
not
count
the
20.,
here's,
the
20
that
was
parked
last
night.
M
There
is
zero
street
parking,
there's
zero
and
again,
I'm
just
going
to
reiterate
the
same
points
that
karen
made,
and
I
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
just
re-saying
the
same
thing
but
again,
there's
12
three
bedroom
units
and
they
only
have
garages.
M
M
I
could
think
of
only
one
and
they
only
cleared
out
in
time
for
winter,
the
vast
majority
have
one
car
in
the
garage
and
one
bay
of
storage
with
their
second
car,
and
often
third
cars
parked
in
the
driveway
tranquility
is
not
proposing
to
provide
a
driveway
for
their
residents
or
so
all
other
resident
cars
and
all
guests,
and,
like
karen
said,
who
has
your
grandma
come
park
in
your
garage?
They're
gonna
have
to
go,
try
to
find
street
parking
and
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
exist.
M
A
couple
more
points
that
I
do
want
to
point
out,
like
karen
said
from
the
maple
grove
estates
and
just
kids
around
here,
we
have
a
lot
of
kids
coming
through.
Once
irving
gets
double
packed
with
cars.
M
We
have
emergency
vehicles,
we
have
service
vehicles,
like
our
condominium
association,
has
a
lawn
service
that
comes
in
there's
garbage
vehicles
that
have
got
to
come
through
it.
Just
on
behalf
of
my
neighbors
and
owners
who
I've
spoken
to,
we
have
a
great
concern
over
traffic
and
safety
of
our
kids.
Just
with
all
the
parking
that's
just
not
going
to
be
there.
M
I
think
a
traffic
study
on
irving
would
show
it's
a
very
busy
little
10th
mile,
and
I
feel
the
committee
would
join
us
in
our
concerns
if
they
had
the
chance
to
see
what
we
see
on
a
daily
basis.
I
just
think
there's
zero
parking
and
that's
that's.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
G
Mr
chairman,
can
I
ask
mrs,
can
I
ask
sarah
a
question
absolutely.
B
G
Thank
you,
I'm
just
curious
and
I
really
am
not
being
facetious
here.
You
live
next
to
an
empty
lot.
Is
there
something
that
would
go
in
there?
That
would
be
acceptable.
M
M
One
of
the
things
I
had
thought
of
was
instead
of-
and
I
don't
I'm
not
saying
this
is
what
they
should
do,
I'm
just
if
they
provided
covered
parking
like
a
well.
We
have
them
here.
Carports
right,
covered
parking
means
that
people
aren't
going
to
put
storage.
That
means
they're
going
to
utilize
both
spaces.
I
think
my
main
concern
is
when
you
have
a
garage.
You're
gonna
have
one
car
in
there
and
not
two,
but
let's
assume
for
a
minute.
They
do
have
two.
I
think
I
think
if
they
did
carports.
M
I
again.
I
know
that
in
his
I
know
that
in
the
packet
I
read
taking
out
one
unit,
they
would
need
to
take
out
one
unit
to
so
that
if
they
only
had
one
entrance,
I
know
that
I'm
getting
a
little
muddled
and
they
said
that
they
couldn't
take
out
one
unit
to
allow
that-
and
I
guess
the
other
proposal
I
I
would
have
made
was:
could
you
take
out
one
or
two
units?
M
Just
to
provide
additional
guest
parking
resident
parking
for
their
people,
just
addition,
I
think,
just
the
same
design
but
more
parking.
I
just
don't
know.
If
that's
I
don't
know,
this
is
the
first
time
I've
ever
spoken
at
a
design
committee.
So
I
don't
I
didn't
you
know.
Yes,
I
would
I
mean
yeah
improvement
on
that
site
would
be
beautiful.
It's
an
empty
ugly
lot
and
there's
overgrown
blackberry,
bushes,
we'd
love
to
get
rid
of
it's
just
that.
M
There's
we're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
sustain
the
parking,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
was
gonna
say
that
I
forgot
there's.
No
other
there's
not
like
other
streets
like
if
you
were
doing
this
over
across
there's
another
empty
lot,
kitty
corner,
which
is
currently
zoned
for
commercial
right
and
that's
a
whole
other
issue.
But
if
you
were
parking,
if
you
were
proposing
this
there,
there
are
like
35,
it's
a
whole
neighborhood
of
streets
where
you
know
if
my
grandma
came
and
there
wasn't
immediate
street
parking.
I
mean
at
this
point
at
this
point.
M
If
my
well,
my
grandma,
comes
to
visit,
I'm
going
to
have
to
go
move
my
car
across
maple
grove
on
the
other
side
of
maple
grove
on
those
residential
streets
and
then
I'm
going
to
use
the
cross
rocket,
maple
grove
to
come
back
and
leave
that
space
for
my
grandma
to
park
in
my
parking
space.
That's
right
out
to
my
house
now
I
am
part
of
the
condo
association.
M
We
do
have
a
couple
more
guests
parking,
so
my
grandma's
gonna
be
fine,
but
any
of
the
other
residents
or
even
the
even
the
guests
of
of
this
development
are
going
to
have
to
park,
like
I
said
across
maple
grove,
and
there
is
a
walkway
to
to
facilitate
that.
But
it's
it's
a
considerable
walk,
there's
no
other,
just
like
other
little
streets
that
would
allow
them
to
park
close-ish
or
even
reasonable.
B
B
I
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
I
appreciate
very
much
not
only
the
concern
and
the
the
efforts
that
these
two
ladies
put
forth,
but
it's
it's
it's
their
home.
I
get
it
and,
having
said
that,
I
don't
know
how
you
can
punish
this
development
for
the
sins
of
others
or
for
the
on-street
parking
that
is
currently
there,
which
we'll
be
competing
with
with
the
one
that
we
have
to
provide
for
our
our
own
offset.
I
I
I
That
is
an
issue
that
it's,
I
think,
beyond
planning
and
zoning
beyond
the
developer.
And
it's
it's
a
social
issue
that
we
that
we're
having
to
deal
with.
But
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
we
can
ask
that
this
developer,
to
impact
his
income
stream
by
minimum
of
20
percent
and
and
40
percent.
If,
if
35,
if
we
take
away
the
two
units
in
order
to
provide
parking,
that's
not
needed
to
meet
the
code.
I
But
there
are
two
spots
available
and
right
up
against
maple
grove,
which
will
obviously
be
a
secondary
for
anybody
else.
I
Looking,
and
there
are
two
spots
beyond
back
toward
to
the
east
that
are
directly
adjacent,
and
I
I
would
say
that
this
developer
and
his
tenants
have
just
as
much
right
to
compete
for
those,
as
does
the
apartments
across
the
street
and
the
condos
and
the
and
the
folks
there
and
again
the
the
fact
that
there
is
a
squeeze
based
on
the
mobile
home
park
is
a
long-term
issue
and
it's
again
not
addressed
in
the
zoning
code
to
affect
us
there
we're
not
responsible
for
something.
That's
out.
I
I
So
I
think
as
much
as
I
empathize
with
them,
and
there
are
guards
you
know
for
the
children
as
far
as
getting
across
the
street,
we
do
have
a
five
foot
sidewalk
on
both
sides
of
our
property.
I
think
we've
we've
met
the
code
and
and
have
done
our
best
to
have
a
good
compatible
project.
I
I
just
don't
think
it's
right
to
try
to
ask
this
developer
to
to
compromise
when
others
have
not
been.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
May
I
say
just
say
one
more
thing
and
I
have
a
couple
more
seconds.
We
will
be
happy
to
work
with
that
homeowners
and
if
we
wanted
to
try
to
do
something
to
limit
the
parking
like
petition
you
for
a
parking
district
by
permit
or
something
we'll
work
with
them,
to
try
to
figure
out
a
problem
because
we're
neighbors
then
thank
you.
B
And
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
for
discussion
any
comments
or
thoughts
at
this
point
in
time,
probably
a
similar
set
of
concerns
we've
had
on
on
multiple
developments,
whether
they
be
in
the
north
end
or
across
the
valley.
B
In
this
case,
as
kind
of
stated,
they
are
looks
like
somewhat
in
excess
of
the
the
minimum
on
our
code.
Other
other
thoughts
or
concerns
seems
mostly
to
be
developed
around
parking
issues.
F
Mr
chairman,
yes,
mr
simpson,
yeah
that's
I
mean
I
can
again,
as
the
applicant
had
stated,
and
I
think
we
all
understand.
Parking
and
traffic
is
a
major
issue
in
boise,
regardless
of
where
you
live.
It
always
seems
like
there's
always
parking
problems
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
something
that
we
necessarily
will
address
at
design
review,
but
the
applicant
has
done
a
really
good
job
of
exceeding
the
parking
spaces
per
unit.
F
The
number
of
units
on
the
site
is
well
below,
what's
allowable
there,
which
I
think
can't
be
lost.
Also
that
they've
already
made
a
concession
by
limiting
the
number
of
units
that
they're
actually
building
on
the
site
when
it's,
they
could
build
what
I
don't
31
units
on
the
site
instead
of
18
12,
sorry,
12.
and
based
on
the
staff's
analysis
of
six
on
street
parking
spaces,
where
you
know,
one
would
be
required
for
code
for
guest
parking
and
two,
you
know,
maybe
is
more
appropriate
with
12,
but
regardless.
F
F
I
know
this
a
little
bit
further
out,
but
if
there's
a
public
transit
route
adjacent
the
applicant's
not
requesting
a
parking
reduction
at
all,
I
mean
it
has
a
lot
of
things
going
for
it
that
they
could
have
requested
a
reduction
or
limited
the
number
of
parking
spaces
to
one
and
a
half
per
unit
with
surface
parking.
But
you
know:
there's
been
some
times
in
during
the
winter,
where
carports
fail
under
snow
load,
they're
not
as
attractive
when
in
terms
of
design
when
you're
looking
at
a
site.
F
So
I'm
gonna
support
the
approval
of
the
application,
because
I
think
that
it,
it
checks
a
lot
of
the
boxes
of
what
we're
looking
for,
and
I
think
that
having
a
denser
development
could
be
appropriate
but
they're,
keeping
it
more
of
a
residential
scale
right
in
an
area
with
commercial,
obviously,
education,
as
well
as
other
residential
multi-family
and
single
families.
So
I
think
it's
very
appropriate.
E
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I'm
curious
about
in
the
staff
presentation
about
the
the
different
browns
that
are
going
to
be
used
and
just
looking
at
the
pictures.
It
is
not
a
conventional
style
building
and
I'm
just
wondering
well,
first
of
all
why
we're
requesting
that
they
use
different
browns.
I
think
that's
a
matter
of
taste
and
not
necessarily.
G
G
I
know
this
is
conjecture
to
comply
with
some
of
our
our
guidelines,
because
I'm
wondering
if
we
need
to
change
those
guidelines
so
that
we
don't
have
so
many
roof
lines
in
one
structure
both
because
I
think
it's
looks
a
little
bit
busy
and
because
I
wonder
if
it
adds
to
the
cost
of
building
and
thus
to
the
cost
of
rental.
L
Worries
so
as
for
the
colors,
I'm
not
we're
not
requiring
different
shades
of
brown
per
se
were
requiring
three
separate
color
palettes,
one
of
the
color
palettes
that
they
would
propose.
As
you
can
see
up
here,
are
browns,
that's
a
that's
just
one
of
the
color
palettes.
That
would
be
one
of
them.
The
other
ones
would
have
to
be
different
colors.
What
we
see
when
we
request
different
color
palettes,
they
need
to
be
complementary,
but
distinct.
L
Typically,
when
we're
seeing
tans
and
browns
for
one
color
palette,
we're
then
seeing
either
a
grays
overseeing
some
neutral,
lighter
blues
as
well
as
some
neutral
greens.
You
see
they're
complementary,
but
they
also
distinguish
the
buildings.
The
requirement
for
this
is
to
add
some
additional
design
variety,
because
we
do
not
have
requirements
to
have
different
designed
buildings
on
a
development
this
size,
so
instead
of
having
separate
buildings
to
help
create
the
design
variety,
the
colors
kind
of
add
some
design
variety
from
the
street.
L
L
As
for
the
roof
lines,
we
don't
regulate
architectural
style
with
the
design
review
guidelines.
We
do
require
some
modulation.
We
like
to
have
varied
roof
lines.
We
don't
require
how
many
different
roof
lines.
We
don't
have
a
standard
there,
but
we
do
like
to
see
varied
roof
lines
because
then
adds
design
variety.
L
B
We
do
have
a
motion,
a
second
with
no
further
discussion.
Then
I
would
have
victoria.
Please
call
the
roll.