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B
Sounds
good
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
July
12
2023
work
sign
Review,
Committee
work
session.
D
E
B
G
Thank
you
Mr,
chair
and
committee
members.
This
is
a
public
work
session
to
review
design
changes
to
the
previously
approved
Hotel
building
at
1005
West
Grove
Street.
The
property
is
bounded
by
Grove
Street
and
10th
and
11th
streets.
G
G
G
G
The
South
elevation
hasn't
changed
significantly.
Some
detail
has
been
added
to
that
firewall
and
then
on
the
east
and
west
elevations.
You
can
see
that
roof
change.
G
And
then
the
other
point
of
discussion
is
the
parking
garage
screening.
The
current
condition
requires
at
least
50
50
opacity
which
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
meet.
You
have
that
sample
of
the
pro
of
the
proposed
flux,
facades
product,
and
this
image
here
shows
a
project
using
a
product
with
similar
transparency
to
what
the
applicant's
proposing
staff
noted
that
anything
near
the
screen
does
appear
pretty
visible
during
the
day.
So
at
night
we
would
anticipate
the
screen,
won't
do
much
to
screen
or
obscure
headlights
and
we'd.
G
H
H
H
So,
as
Caitlyn
mentioned,
the
Dr
condition
of
approval
was
for
the
screening
material
to
be
minimum
50
opaque
Caitlin.
Can
we
please
bring
up
that
exhibit
that
I
emailed
you
earlier
there
we
go.
Thank
you,
so
the
material
that
we're
proposing
does
comply
with
that
requirement
and,
in
fact,
if
you
take
into
account
the
the
solid
masonry
columns
around
the
building,
we're
actually
depending
on
which
elevation
you're
looking
at
we're
in
the
range
of
58
to
64
opaque.
H
As
has
been
noted,
we
are
trying
to
balance
visual
screening
with
the
requirements
for
open
ventilation
at
the
parking
garage.
We
are
maxed
out
on
opacity
frankly,
and
it
would
be
cost
prohibitive
to
to
force
us
to
a
situation
where
we
have
to
mechanically
ventilate,
so
we're
really
trying
to
balance
those
two
factors
on
the
image
that
is
on
the
screen
now.
The
two
images
on
the
left,
of
course,
is
a
corner
of
our
garage
on.
The
right
is
an
example.
H
Building
that
uses
the
exact
same
material
and
I
I
wanted
to
show
this
for
a
few
reasons,
first
of
all
just
to
convey
that
no,
it's
not
an
opaque
material,
but
it
does
in
fact
lessen
visibility
through
and
as
expected
it
would
it
would,
you
know,
block
about
50
of
of
the
lights
or
automobiles
one.
H
Other
important
thing
to
note
is
that
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
appears
visually
unappealing,
at
least
to
me
and
I'm
sure
to
you
as
well
about
the
screen
and
the
Right
image
is
the
the
visible
concrete
columns
right
behind
the
screen
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
in
our
case,
all
of
our
columns
are
wrapped
in
masonry
they
become
a
part
of
the
texture
and
expression
of
the
building.
So
we
will
not
have
elements
like
that
right
up
against
the
back
of
the
screen.
H
Can
we
go
to
page
three,
please
Caitlyn
next
page
thanks
on
the
roof,
the
change
from
an
overhanging
roof
to
an
opening
shed
roof
to
a
flat
roof
was
driven
by
a
few
factors.
First,
we
felt
that
the
overhanging
roof
was
somewhat
in
conflict
with
our
desire
to
emphasize
the
verticality
of
the
tower
portion
of
the
building
and,
second
frankly,
there
are
some
real
practicalities
in
getting
a
window
washing
system
to
work
with
the
amount
of
overhang
that
we
were
showing.
H
Originally,
we
still
feel
that
what
you're
seeing
here
on
the
screen
this
is
this
is
the
final
design
as
it
stands
now
we
still
feel
that
there's
plenty
of
excitement
and
drama
at
that
15th
floor
next,
please,
or
can
you
go
back
to
page
one,
please
Caitlin?
Thank
you.
H
The
color
palette,
as
Caitlin
noted,
is
very
subtly
different
from
what
was
represented
originally
during
the
course
of
design
development
and
evolving.
The
building
we
hit
a
point
where
we
were
concerned
that
we
had
trended
too
far
towards
Boise
beige
and.
H
Wanted
to
make
sure
we
didn't
contribute
another
another
beige
building
to
downtown.
So
after
a
lot
of
color
studies,
we
decided
to
to
change
the
palette
from
being
so
beige
to
a
little
bit
more
of
a
crisp
white
light
gray
palette,
and
with
that
change,
the
accent
bands
did
not
work
well
any
longer
as
the
the
brown
kind
of
copperish
tone.
H
B
B
I
I
agree
that
this
is
not
different
enough
from
the
original
that
there's
a
lot
to
reconsider.
I
I
happen
to
prefer
than
the
flat
roof
over
the
shredded
roof.
I
think
it
looks
more
urban,
especially
for
this
environment
and
I.
Think
there's
you
know.
Garage
screening
is
tough
and
I've
never
seen
a
garage
screen.
I
like
but
I,
don't
think
it's
possible
to
ventilate
and
hide
cars
beautifully
at
the
same
time
and
I
think
this
does
as
good
of
a
job
as
is
humanly
possible.
J
Mr
chair,
yes,
I,
think
the
roof
changes
are
for
the
better
and
the
color
changes.
I'm
still
not
excited
about
the
screening
but
and
I
don't
want
to
suggest
any
changes
to
what's
being
proposed,
but
I
guess
I
would
like
to
ask
staff
that
when
the
Project's
constructed
and
after
it's
been
occupied,
if
there's
ever
any
complaints
from
the
condo
project
across
the
street,
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
this
committee
to
know
for
future
projects.
So
we
can
say
yes
the
screen.
J
We
didn't
have
any
issues
awesome,
let's
see
it
again
or
no
wasn't
we
had
some
issues,
so
maybe
we
could
suggest
something
else
to
Future
projects
but
other
than
that
I'm
very
happy
with
the
result
here.
Thank.
D
You
Mr
chair,
yeah,
yeah,
I,
think
I
just
echoed
those
same
comments,
I
mean
I,
think
the
roof
change
I
like
it
better,
it's
more
of
an
urban
feel
to
it
and
the
color
palette
too
again.
I
agree
with
both
of
the
previous
committee
members
statements
and
yeah
it'd
be
nice
to
see
how
this
different
screen
performs,
because
we've
seen
a
couple
different
options
fairly
close
to
this.
Also
that
didn't
work
out
too
well
that
this
seems
like
at
least
a
better
option
than
that
so
yeah.
B
I
would
agree
with
those
comments.
I
think
building
still
has
a
base
middle
and
top
I
guess.
I
do
have
one
question,
maybe
for
the
applicant-
and
this
is
the
ever
been
any
inclination
to
Edge
light
any
of
that
screen
material.
Sometimes
it
seems
like
when
they
add
the
material
has
a
little
bit
of
verticality
on
the
light
it
kind
of
screens
some
of
the
stuff.
That's
behind
it,
because
the
contrast
on
it
otherwise
I
think
you
know
it's
until
it's
kind
of
gets
installed
in
a
larger
piece.
B
B
H
No
I
appreciate
your
time
today
to
address
your
question.
I,
don't
believe
we're
currently
planning
on
edge
lighting
the
screen.
We
do
have
some
subtle
accent:
lighting
around
the
building,
but
we're
really
focusing
more
on
the
structural
columns
and
and
Illuminating
The
Pedestrian
experience
down
below.
Okay.
Thank.
B
You
well
with
that.
Still
no
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
testify
tonight
just
seeing
that
in
person
not
online,
we
will
close
this
and
bring
it
to
the
committee
for
emotion
and
discussion.
B
J
B
B
Agree
with
that
Christina,
please
call
the
roll
simple.
B
Thank
you
very
much
guys.
Josh
I
think
we're
just
gonna.
Do
a
little
bit
of
a
agenda
review.
Is
that
correct
ly.
A
All
right,
Mr,
chairman
for
tonight,
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
There
are
a
couple
of
time
extensions.
Just
as
a
reminder.
Those
are
not
public
hearings,
no
testimonies
taken,
it's
just
a
simple
vote
by
the
committee:
okay,
those
are
items
A
and
B
item
number,
one
for
a
new
convenience
store
and
fuel
pumps
on
State
Street.
We
will
hear
that
item
item
number
two:
an
appeal
of
administrative
design,
review
application
on
Main
Street.
A
We
will
hear
that
one
yeah
item
number
three
is
two
new
well
new
Greenhouse
facility
on
Federal
Way.
We
are
proposing
that
one
for
the
consent
agenda.
If
there
are
no
objections.
E
A
Item
number
four
is
a
new
office
building
on
our
Dean
Street.
We
are
proposing
that
for
the
consent
agenda
as
well.
A
Okay,
I'm
number
five
on
Garen
road
is
requesting
deferral
to
the
August
9th
hearing.
A
Number
six
modifying
the
previously
approved
conrac
facility
on
Airport
Way,
proposing
that
for
the
consent
agenda
as
well
and
item
number
seven
on
North
30th
Street
to
talk
about
the
sidewalk
waiver,
we
will
hear
that
application.
D
Great
Mr
chair,
yes
on
item
two
I'm
gonna
recuse
myself.
My
firm
has
a
Financial
relationship
with
one
of
the
family
members
of
the
people
that
own
that
business
and
so
just
to
be
okay,
Totally
Above
board.
F
Mr
chair
yes
for
item
six,
assuming
a
consent
agenda
motion,
then
I
would
have
to
accuse
myself
from
that
particular
part
of
the
consent
agenda.
Yeah.
B
Start
this
out
with
a
couple
of
time,
extensions,
a
deferral
and
then
get
into
the
regular
business
that
we're
gonna
hear
then
the
consent
agent
Eric,
is
the
consent
agenda
in
their
regular
business.
Yeah.
B
A
few
few
meeting
minutes
looks
like
as
well.
A
There
are
some
minutes
at
the
beginning:
yep,
okay,
okay,
and
with
that
we'll
see
you
somewhere
around
half
an
hour
great
thanks,
Josh,
thanks
all
right,
Mr
chair,
it's
six
o'clock.
If
you're
ready
sounds.
B
B
To
begin
with,
the
committee
wishes
to
pay
respect
to
member
Tom
zabala,
who
recently
passed
Palms
wit
and
charm.
Expertise
that
he
shared
with
this
committee
will
be
will
be
dearly
missed.
So
with
that
we
will
start
with
minutes.
We've
got
several
here.
The
first
is
the
design
Review
Committee
minutes
for
May
10th.
We
also
have
the
design
Review
Committee
work
session,
minutes
for
May,
10
2023
and
finally,
the
design
Review
Committee
Retreat
minutes
of
June
20th
2023.
B
So
moved
second,
second,
thank
you,
Mr
Simple
with
that
Christina.
Please
call
the
vote.
K
B
Thank
you.
We
also
first
ordered
business.
We
have
a
couple
of
time,
extensions.
The
first
item,
time
extension,
is
item
a
which
is
drh
21-00138,
it's
a
little.
It's
a
location
is
7827
West,
Targhee
Street.
They
request
a
two-year
time,
extension
to
construct
three
previously
pre-warehouse
buildings,
totally
an
approximately
sixty
thousand
square
feet
and
it's
Associated
site
improvements
in
an
m1d
Zone
and
the
second
item
to
be
considered
for
our
approval
on
our
time.
Extensions
is
Item.
B,
it's
drh,
21-00195
location
is
11
to
30
West
Joplin
Road.
F
B
K
K
B
We
have
one
item
up
for
deferral
tonight.
It's
item
number
five:
it's
drh
23-00193
locations
on
West,
gallon
Road,
it's
for
the
construction
of
two
new
Warehouse
buildings,
totaling
approximately
410
000
square
feet
with
Associated
site
improvements
on
a
property
and
nm1d
Zone,
and
this
would
be
deferred
to
the
August
9th
meeting.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
audience
wishing
to
speak
to
this
item?
Who
cannot
make
the
August
9th
hearing
date?
B
If
you
are
online,
please
use
the
raise
hand
feature
seen
none
in
public,
not
online.
That
concludes
our
items
to
be
considered
for
deferral
tonight
and
at
that.
At
this
point,
I
would
turn
to
the
committee
for
recommendation
on
approval
of
the
deferrals.
B
B
We
first
item
that
we
are
considering
for
tonight's
consent.
Agenda
is
item
number
three:
it's
drh,
23.00168
location,
7050,
South,
Federal,
Way,
it's
for
the
construction
of
a
new,
approximately
26,
000
square
foot,
Greenhouse
facility
and
Associated
site
improvements
on
a
property
in
an
m1d
Zone
is
the
applicant's
presence.
Tonight,
yes,
is
that
the
record
show
the
applicant
is
the
president
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
recommended
conditions
of
approval?
B
B
See
none
in
person
any
online
Josh?
No,
thank
you.
So
this
item
will
be
considered
for
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
is
item
number
four:
it's
Dr
h23-00177
locations,
8759
West,
our
Dean
streets
for
the
construction
of
a
new,
approximately
3,
800
square
foot
office.
Building
on
a
property
in
an
lodda
zone
is
the
applicant
present.
B
B
Location
is
3201
West,
Airport
Way.
It's
to
modify
previously
approved
parking
garage
on
a
property
located
in
a
c3d
zone.
Is
the
applicant
prison.
B
With
recommended
conditions
and
approval
is
that
the
record
show
the
applicant
is
in
Agreements.
Are
there
any
members
of
public
wishing
to
testify
to
in
opposition
to
this
item
tonight,
seeing
none
in
person
and
none
online,
and
that
concludes
our
consent
items
on
the
consent
agenda
tonight
and
at
this
time
I
would
be
open
for
a
motion.
B
J
L
L
L
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
variety
of
building
materials
and
primary
finishes,
including
aluminum
fascia,
fiberglass,
cornice
and
metal
coping.
The
contrast
between
the
wood
tone
and
accents
and
storefront
creates
visual
contrast
from
the
right-of-way.
The
one-story
convenience
store
would
be
would
be
similar
in
massing
to
the
surrounding
commercial
developments,
with
appropriate
height
to
width
proportions.
L
B
M
Thank
you
Rachel
good
evening,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Tom
carrico
I'm,
a
senior
real
estate
development
manager
for
Congo.
M
I
have
Douglas
Rooney,
who
is
the
site
development
manager
with
come
and
go
as
well
as
van
Ing
and
Eric
Iyer
with
jub
engineering
to
answer
any
questions
that
might
come
up
so
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
about
come
and
go
as
a
company,
the
K
and
the
g
for
come
and
go
comes
from
our
Founders
Bill
Krauss
and
Tony
Gentile,
which
we're
family
members
that
started
the
business
in
1959
come
and
go,
has
remained
a
family
Corp
company
and
recently
transitioned
from
a
third
generation
to
a
fourth
generation
company
with
the
cross
family
owning
the
company
as
well.
M
Since
our
opening
the
first
store
opened
in
Hampton
Iowa
in
1959.,
come
and
go,
has
grown
to
more
than
400
stores
in
14
States
and
employs
more
than
5
000
people.
We've
recently
expanded
into
the
Salt
Lake
Market
Grand
Rapids
market,
and
now
the
Boise
Idaho
Market,
which
we're
really
excited
about
and
excited
to
be
here.
So
what
differentiates
us
from
the
other
gas
competition
and
convenience
stores
that
are
out
there?
A
lot
actually
come
and
go.
We
create
a
much
better
experience
for
our
customer.
M
We
includes
designing
our
stores
that
are
more
attractive,
as
well
as
providing
healthy
choices
both
inside
the
store
in
our
food
offerings.
We
offer
fresh
made
foods
that
are
what
we
call
a
healthy
striver,
which
are
you
know,
more
salads,
pre-made
sandwiches
or
made
sandwiches
in
food
to
order
for
fresh
ingredients
as
opposed
to
processing.
So
we
also
donate
a
portion
of
our
profits
to
charity
and
we
make
a
real
commitment
to
sustainability
which
we'll
cover
them
in
a
couple
more
slides
here.
M
M
A
new
store
has
a
positive
impact
on
the
communities
each
come
and
go.
We
build.
Is
this
one's
roughly
an
eight
and
a
half
million
dollar
investment?
In
addition,
there's
Fuel
and
sales
tax
revenues
generated
in
the
six
to
ten
million
dollar
range.
Not
only
do
we
hire
store
associates
from
the
community,
but
we
also
hire
local
subcontractors
to
build
the
stores
when
they're
available.
M
In
addition,
we
donate
to
local
charities
and
operate
the
most
environmental
friendly
convenience
stores
chains
in
the
country,
we're
also
a
leader
in
alternative
fuels
being
based
in
Iowa.
They
do
love
their
ethanol,
but
they
also
heavily
invested
in
electric
vehicle
charging.
As
electric
vehicles
increase
in
numbers,
manufacturers
are
looking
to
increase
their
charging
Footprints
into
reduce
gaps
in
the
networks
that
they
cover
when
they
identify.
One
of
our
stores
as
being
a
good
location
for
the
for
their
networks.
We
work
with
them
to
incorporate
EV
charging
stations
at
each
of
our
sites.
M
Understanding
the
electric
vehicles
are
the
future
for
vehicular
transportation.
We
put
the
conduit
in
all
the
stores
as
well,
so
even
if
the
company
does
not
want
to
do
a
charging
station
at
this
point
in
time,
we
do
put
the
conduit
in
so
in
the
future.
We're
able
to
offer
that
services
we
experienced
over
89
000
EV
charge
sessions
at
our
stores
in
2021,
and
we
have
planned
to
have
10
of
our
stores
to
have
EP
charging
by
the
end
or
had
10
by
the
end
of
22.
M
and,
like
I,
said
we
are
putting
the
infrastructure
in
for
charging
stations
at
all
of
our
new
stores.
We
also
have
a
commitment
to
the
communities
that
we
serve.
The
cross
family,
which
is
the
owner
of
the
company,
has
made
a
commitment
by
donating
at
least
10
percent
of
our
profits
to
the
organizations
directly
that
directly
benefit
those
communities
reaching
thousands
of
individuals,
families
and
throughout
the
country.
M
We
also
have,
in
addition
to
the
financial
contribution
we
have
a
way
of
donating
food
to
local
food,
shelters,
School,
pantries
and
communities
in
need
with
our
food
rescue
program.
So
we
take
we're
still
getting
this
program
up
to
speed
and
we're
excited
to
divert
and
reduce,
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
and
give
those
to
the
groups
in
need
now
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Douglas
the
site
development
manager
to
go
over
the
site
plan.
Specifically.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
foreign.
N
Just
to
reiterate,
some
of
the
items
are
I've
been
covered
in
the
staff
report.
Our
site
plan
shows
our
approximately
4
000
square
foot
building.
This
is
our
Bistro
prototype
that
we've
recently
introduced
our
site
here
is
currently
a
Zone
commercial
already
we
are
approximately
1.15
acre
lot
and
our
store
backs
to
State
Street,
with
the
fuel
pumps
behind
the
store.
N
It's
very
sensitive,
as
stated
our
landscape
plan.
We
have
Street
trees
along
West
Street,
and
our
landscape
coverage
on
the
site
is
approximately
16
for
a
total
of
eight
thousand
38
square
feet.
We
also
include
the
12
foot
path
along
State
Street,
as
required
by
the
city.
We
have
11
parking
stalls
on
our
site
and
our
storm
water
management
system
includes
underground
storage.
N
As
you've
seen
our
we
have
a
great
deal
of
variation
in
our
materials
on
the
store,
warm
and
cool,
as
well
as
canopies,
and
a
variety
of
roof
lines.
N
N
This
is
approximately
what
the
store
would
look
like,
with
the
exception
of
the
fact
that
it's
mirrored
so,
if
you
just
flip
it
around
the
other
direction,
this
would
show
you
what
this
particular
store
would
appear
in
three
dimensions:
some
of
the
Interior
shots
of
our
new
Bistro.
We
have
the
kitchen
right
inside
the
front
door.
N
We
have
indoor
seating
around
the
DeSoto
fountains
and
the
equipment,
and
you
can
see
our
our
coolers
as
well
as
our
our
checkout,
so
that
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
Interior
finishes
and
the
appearance
of
the
stores
and
I
can
answer.
Any
questions
that
you
have
I
would
state
that
we
have
read
and
understand
the
standard,
as
well
as
the
site,
specific
conditions
of
approval,
and
we
do
accept
them.
N
D
Can
you
talk
about
the
lighting
on
your
building
and
your
canopy,
just
as
it
relates
to
the
surrounding
properties?
Just
so
get
a
better
understanding.
I
know
that
there's
the
standards
in
the
code,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get.
N
It
certainly
we
use
LED
lighting,
it
is
directional,
so
it
projects
down
rather
than
spreading
out
it's
a
cut
off
type
lighting
based
upon
the
photo
metrics
that
we've
run
on
the
site.
The
bleed
over
the
property
line
would
be
very
minimal.
I
think
we
saw
it
maybe
two
or
three
foot
candles
in
one
location.
Thank.
D
J
Yes,
I
just
have
a
couple
more
questions
regarding
the
signage
and
I
know:
that's
a
separate
application.
J
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
the
building,
but
because
we
have
those
adjacent
Residential
Properties
your
brand
on
the
North
elevation,
I'll
call
it
North
facing
the
Residential
Properties
and
the
market
sign,
and
then
your
brand
sign
on
the
canopy
I'm,
assuming
the
neighbors,
would
probably
see
those
as
well
or
is
there
going
to
be
screening
at
appropriate
Heights
where
they're
not
going
to
see
those
I
understand
the
canopy
lights
and
the
shot
up
the
shut
off
there
or
the
cutoffs
there?
But
I'm
more
concerned
about
your
building
signage.
N
Well,
the
building
signage
would
be
a
fairly
significant
distance
away
from
the
areas
you
describe.
Your
residential
areas,
they're
not
brightly,
lit
I,
mean
they're
they're,
a
rear,
lit
type
sign
as
far
as
screening,
the
canopy,
actually
screens,
much
of
the
signage
on
the
North
side
and
the
residential
side.
J
So,
for
example,
the
canopy
sign
you
have
your
brand.
It
looks
like
on
what
you
call
the
North
and
the
South
elevation
and
I'm
just
wondering.
Maybe
that
could
be
on
the
East
and
the
West,
because
I'm
thinking
the
neighbors
behind
there
would
see
at
least
those
signs
on
the
canopy.
Does
that
make
sense.
N
I'm,
sorry,
oh
okay,
so
you're
saying
the
West
and
East
as
opposed
to
the
North
and
the
South
of
Asia.
J
Is
it
it
appears
that
the
neighbors
there
might
see
those,
and
so
maybe
if
they
just
and
again
that's
a
separate
package
sure
maybe
if
they
just
got
flipped
it'll,
just
minimize
some
of
the
lighting
that
potentially
can
be
seen
by
those
neighbors.
B
J
N
The
feelings
actually
done
on
sort
of
an
as
needed
basis
as
the
fuel
runs
out.
It
notifies
the
the
company,
but
if
there
was
an
absolute
need
to
restrict
hours
of
fueling,
that
would
be
an
option.
F
M
F
Speaking
to
the
building
signage,
you
don't
have
any
facing
State
Street
on
what
is
shown
as
you're
at
the
rear
of
your
building.
But
that
de
facto
is
the
the
face
of
your
building.
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
something
that
will
end
up
getting
switched
around
when
you
do
actually
get
to
the
the
signage
process
or
if
that
is
intended
to
be
left
as
blank.
N
Earlier
versions
of
our
signage
actually
had
signage
on
State
Street,
but
it
was
taken
away
and
that
was
actually
a
previous
site
development
manager
who
was
working
on
it.
So
I'm
not
entirely
certain
the
reason
for
it.
I
don't
know.
If
the
civil
engineer
is
aware
of
I
do
know
that
earlier
versions
did
have
signage
on
State,
Street
and
I
was
under
the
impression
that
the
city
had
requested.
We
removed
that.
B
N
L
I
haven't
reviewed
any
sign
packages
and
I.
Haven't
I,
wasn't
reviewing
this
project
against
signs
just
because
I
know
it
does
come
in
under
a
signed
package.
So
to
my
previous
knowledge,
I,
don't
remember:
I,
don't
I
didn't
have
any
conversations
about
signs
and
removing
them
from
State
Street
I'm,
not
sure
who
would
have.
F
B
B
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
We
have
one
sign
in
for
tonight:
Terry
japaki,
Terry,
I'm.
Sorry,
I,
probably
fertilize
that
if
you'd
like
to
come
forward-
and
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
stating
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
O
I
am
the
HOA
president
for
the
small
Condo
Association,
that's
located
directly
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
gas
station.
I
would
just
like
to
raise
two
concerns
that
some
of
the
homeowners
have.
The
first
is
the
issue
of
access
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
something
you're
dealing
with
with
this
design.
There
are
two
access
roads,
one
being
Key,
Bank,
one
being
what
you're
calling
the
Los,
Betos
or
liquor
store
Access
Road.
O
If
you
look
directly
across
the
street
from
those
two
access
roads
and
in
between
them,
you
will
see
that
the
entrance
and
exit
the
only
one
into
our
complex
is
right
there.
So
what
that
means
is
anyone
leaving
our
complex
and
going
West
on
State
Street
crosses
the
two
lanes
of
traffic
and
gets
in
that
center
lane.
O
They
go
on
a
row
right
down:
State
Street.
We
have
four
units
per
building
two
facing
State
Street
to
facing
south
with
a
common
wall
in
between
that
means
that
six
of
our
units,
half
of
them
half
of
our
total
units,
have
no
Southern
Exposure.
Only
Northern
Exposure
facing
State
Street
with
the
cars
leaving
the
two
access
points
for
the
the
gas
station.
Their
headlights
are
going
to
be
going
directly
into
over
six
units
that
face
State
Street.
O
O
D
B
And
there's
a
report
in
there
Rachel
do
you
know
of
any
concerns
that
achd
had
other
than
what's
in
the
report.
L
Mr,
chair
and
committee
members
I'm,
so
the
report
did
an
analysis
and
looked
at
the
the
traffic
coming
in
and
out
of
this
driveway
and
generally
their
policy
is
a
ride
in
right
out
on
this.
In
this
sort
of
instance,
however,
they've
stated
in
the
report
that
there
is
going
to
be
some
future
Construction,
just
North,
which
is
going
to
block
access,
so
they
have
stated
that
they
will
I,
don't
know
if
they
said
make
an
exception,
but
in
this
circumstance
it'll
be
an
all-access
driveway.
L
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
yes,
I,
follow
up
with
that
Rachel
is
that
for
both
of
the
the
one
that's
shared
with
Key
Bank
and
the
one
that
shared
with
the
larger
North
Gate
strip
mall
area,
or
is
that
just
the
one
that
goes
into
North
Gate
like
the
across
from
Betos
for.
D
E
L
D
L
I'm
not
seeing
that
driveway
evaluated
for
the
section
of
driveways
on
State
Street.
They
only
analyzed
this
shared
access.
Okay,.
E
D
Mr
chair,
yes,
can
I
ask
a
kind
of
follow-up
question.
To
that
sure
I
mean
I
would
highly
encourage
the
app
I
guess.
I
would
highly
encourage
the
applicant
to
work
with
that.
Hoa
I
know
that
there's
some
existing
plantings
along
the
frontage
I
think
maybe
helping
enhance
that
a
little
bit
on
their
side.
B
Anything
else
for
that
none
will
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
bring
back
to
the
committee
for
discussion
and
emotion.
I
Mr
chair,
yes,
I,
am
very
excited
that
the
building
is
right
up
against
State
Street
and
the.
What
are
we
calling
them?
The
pumps
are
in
the
rear
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
It
is
almost
always
the
other
way
around
and
highly
unsightly
and
I
know
the
city
and
urban
Memorial
agency
are
working
hard
to
improve
State
Street
and
make
it
feel
less
like
a
highway
and
I
think
I.
I
It's
very
surprising
to
think
that
I
gas
station
with
a
very
nice
convenient
store
element
is
actually
going
to
help
that
so
I
appreciate
the
use
of
the
space
and
the
thought
put
into
the
design-
and
it's
always
nice
to
hear
when
people
come
in
from
out
of
town
and
talk
to
the
neighbors
without
government
intervention.
I
B
Sounds
like,
for
the
most
part,
everybody's
comfortable
with
the
application,
don't
like
the
applicants
and
the
neighbors
across
the
street
are
considering
some
options
so
Mr.
J
Chair,
yes,
I,
don't
have
any
issues
with
the
proposal
or
with
the
application
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
should
just
make
a
condition
of
approval
that
the
applicant
work
with
the
neighbor
and
trying
to
come
up
with
the
solution
to
minimize
the
light
potentially
hitting
the
property
across
the
street.
However,
you
know
when
there
is
traffic
on
State
Street
and
those
cars
are
pointing
that
way.
The
the
the
East-West
traffic
is
probably
going
to
block
the
light
anyway
because
of
all
the
traffic
on.
J
I'm
not
sure,
what's
what
can
be
done
there,
but
maybe
I'm
not
don't
have
my
bearings
right
in
terms
of
the
area
of
concern
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
make
this
a
condition,
but
I,
just
I
would
encourage
the
applicant
when
they're
working
with
their
signage
vendor,
to
just
be
mindful
of
the
residences
and
your
brand
signs,
and
maybe
they
could
be
flipped
or
maybe
one
the
market
sign,
can
go
on
State
Street,
just
because
I
totally
get
the
cutoffs
and
I'm
happy
with
that.
J
D
Mr
chair,
yes,
so
Community
member
Aguilar
would
do
you
want
to
put
a
condition
regarding
the
light
mitigation
or
I
mean
it
feels
like
based
on
today
that
there's
a
conversation
ongoing
and
I
mean
we
we
want
to.
You
know
assume
that
you're
going
to
do
the
right
thing.
You
know
at
least
work
with
them,
so
I
don't
know,
need
to
add
the
condition
necessarily.
J
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
guess,
if
just
the
applicant
would
do
their
best,
that
you've
hurt
us
tonight
and
our
concerns
and
the
neighbors
and
just
do
your
best
to
work
with
everyone's
staff
and
the
neighborhood
to
just
address
those
potential
impacts,
and
maybe
there
isn't
any.
But
if
you
could
just
take
a
hard
look
at
those
for
us,
I
think
that
would
be
great,
so
I
guess
with
that
being
said,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
move
to
approve.
F
Chair
yeah,
I
I
would
just
like
to
chime
in
on
the
the
lighting
and
such
you
know,
we
have
you,
know
statutory
restrictions
on
how
much
light
can
leave
a
site.
F
I
I
think
you
know
what
it
comes
down
to
is
the
the
efficacy
of
branding
that
faces
six
houses
versus
the
entirety
of
State
Street,
and
you
know
if
that's
where
you
want
to
spend
your
money
as
long
as
the
light
doesn't
cross
the
property
boundary
in
too
much
I.
You
know
I
think
that
it
wouldn't
really
behoove
us
to
get
too
much
more
restrictive
on
that,
but
I'm
the
favorite
promotion.
So.
B
B
This
item-
okay,
thank
you.
Mr
Simple,
with
this
all
turned
over
to
Caitlyn
staff,.
G
A
retroactive
Dr
approval
for
removal
of
three
public
trees
was
issued
on
May,
2nd
2023.
The
appellant
appealed
the
conditions
of
approval
on
May
12
2023.
G
G
G
The
applicant
disputes
the
value
and
condition
of
the
trees
that
was
assessed
by
Boise
Community
forestry.
They
believe
smaller
trees
are
needed
to
Aid
driver
View
and
prevent
sidewalk
damage,
and
they
also
want
to
maintain
a
rock
ground
cover
in
the
landscape
strip.
G
In
response
to
the
tree
value
and
condition,
the
applicant
did
remove
the
public
trees
without
approval,
which
violates
city
ordinance.
The
applicant
should
have
contacted
forestry
with
their
concerns.
Forestry
would
have
assessed
the
condition
of
the
trees
and
Forestry
would
have
made
a
determination
if
retaining
the
trees
was
possible,
because
the
trees
were
already
removed.
Forestry
based
the
tree
value
and
mitigation
payment
on
photos
and
past
tree
inventory
information.
The
city
Forester,
is
the
one
authorized
by
city
code
to
determine
condition
of
public
trees
and
to
set
the
mitigation
payment
amount.
Forestry
has
indicated.
G
As
part
of
the
Dr
approval,
the
applicant
is
required
to
plant
two
new
Street
trees,
as
required
by
the
ordinance
the
planning
team
consulted
with
City
forestry
on
the
type
of
trees
that
should
be
planted.
They
recommended
two
new
class
III
trees
are
preferred
rather
than
three
class
two
trees.
The
city
Forester
is
authorized
by
code
to
specify
the
type
of
public
trees
planted
in
the
right-of-way.
The
applicant's
concerns
about
vision
of
drivers
can
be
mitigated
through
pruning
achd
and
Boise
forestry
regularly
coordinate
on
sidewalk
repairs
so
that
existing
trees
can
be
retained.
G
B
Great
questions
for
the
applicant
prior
to
or
for
the
staff
before
the
applicant
comes
up
seeing
none.
If
I
could
please
have
the
applicant
come
forward
and
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Q
Randall
Peterson
231
East,
Edmonds,
Drive,
Meridian,
Idaho,
also
owner
of
the
commercial
property
in
question,
Mr,
chairman
committee
members.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me
out
on
this.
Our
company,
if
you're
familiar
with
us,
we've
been
in
the
valley
for
48
years,
we're
a
family
business.
We
contribute
millions
of
dollars
each
year
in
sales,
tax
property,
tax
values
and,
of
course,
we're
active
in
the
community
from
a
multi-level
I.
Q
Guess
I
would
put
that
because
our
property
is
very
important
to
us
and
the
care
and
the
concern
for
our
property
and
Its
Right
of
ways
we
hold
to
a
high
level.
The
mistake
that
was
made
on
my
part
was
not
getting
approval
from
achd
who's
right
away.
It
belongs
as
a
new
owner
to
the
property
as
itself.
It
was
ignorance
on
my
part,
and
so
I
admit
that
mistake,
but
I
really
want
to
focus
on
the
three
terms
of
this
specific
appeal,
and
that
is
first.
Q
The
the
mitigation
value
of
those
trees
before
us
on
the
screen
is
a
letter
from
achd
that
states
very
clearly
that
the
trees
damage
the
sidewalk.
They
broke
it
in
five
different
places.
So
much
so
that
they've
already
scheduled
coming
to
grind
those
sidewalks
down
so
that
it
mitigates
the
the
trip
Hazard
that
it
is
now
and
they're
already
scheduled
to
replace
it
as
soon
as
they
can
fit
it
into
to
their
schedule.
Talking
to
Ryan
Fisher.
Who
is
the
point
of
contact
for
achd?
Q
Q
In
fact,
the
city
had
us
plant
those
trees
in
1996
when
we
did
a
remodel
okay
and
they
recommended
three
class
two
trees
to
be
planted
and
we're
going
to
look
at
the
Treasure
Valley
tree
selection
guide,
which
is
the
city's
standard
on
how
those
trees
should
be
planted,
but
they
recommended
they
were
only
12
feet
apart
and
that's
how
they
were
done
now.
That
hinders
their
growth
and
it
hinders
their
health
and
the
last
two
years,
they've
been
full
of
sap
and
creating
foliage.
That
has
caused
damage
to
our
inventory.
Now.
Q
I
could
dig
through
receipts
upon
receipts,
but
really
the
damage
to
the
sidewalk
alone
certainly
warranted
the
removal
of
the
tree,
so
I
don't
see
any
value
in
the
mitigation
of
these
trees
that
were
already
causing
a
hazard
and
we're
completely
against
the
city's
own
statute
of
what
tree
should
be
there
in
that
space.
Now
this
space
that
we're
talking
about
is
only
10
feet
wide
and
it's
roughly
70
feet
long,
and
so
these
class
two
trees
are
supposed
to
be
30
to
40
feet
apart
when
they're
planted
so
planting
them
12
feet
apart.
Q
Q
That's
not
it
there
we
go
so
this
is
where
achd
has
already
come
out
and
done.
Their
evaluation.
They've
cited
the
cracks
one
place,
that's
over
three
inches
that
it's
lifted
the
sidewalk,
so
we
can
just
kind
of
scroll
through
these
that's
the
biggest
one.
There.
Q
And
so
again,
now
they're
already
having
to
use
task
taxpayer
dollars
to
fix
those
and
then
come
out
and
replace
the
entire
sidewalk
because
of
the
trees.
The
second
part
of
our
appeal
is
just
to
Simply
use
smaller
trees.
If
we
look
at
the
Treasure
Valley
tree
selection
guide,
we
have
a
copy
of
it.
Here
we
can
take
a
peek
at.
Q
Q
So
this
is
this
is
the
standard
that
the
city
has
Set
for
the
types
of
trees
we
should
use
in
these
right-of-ways
and
why
we
should
use
them
based
on
how
they
grow
and
their
characteristics
and
their
size.
Okay,
now
a
class
one
tree
roughly
20
to
30
feet
apart
they
stay
under
25
feet
or
so
high.
Q
If
we
do
the
right
spacing
and
then,
if
we
add
the
Shrubbery
and
the
flowers
that
I
would
want
to,
we
would
easily
cover
the
50
ground
cover
that
the
city
wants
us
to
adhere
to
now.
Here's
the
issue.
We
made
a
mistake
in
1996
when
they
wanted
to
plant
class
two
trees
that
were
already
too
big
for
this
now
the
city
is
going
again
against
their
standard
again
and
wanting
me
to
plant
even
bigger
trees,
class,
three
trees.
Q
Q
But
it's
a
misunderstanding
of
their
own
standards
and
I
would
just
move
that
the
right
thing
to
do
is
to
follow
the
standard
that
they
put
in
place
with
this
guideline.
Let's
put
smaller
trees
in
the
small
right-of-way
so
that
it
works
for
the
community
and
doesn't
keep
breaking
the
sidewalk.
The
third
point
is
the
rock
cover
and,
as
I
mentioned,
if
we
carry
through
our
original
plan,
we'll
easily
meet
the
50
requirement,
we
want
to
put
trees.
We
want
to
put
shrubs
there.
Q
We
highly
value
again
the
aesthetic
value
of
our
property
to
the
city,
and
if
we
look,
we
have
pictures
of
other
properties
throughout
Main
Street.
If
we
could
look
at
seven
first
now,
this
standard
that
the
city
is
holding
me
to
with
these
trees
and
ground
cover,
that's
not
being
upheld
to
my
neighbors.
Q
There
is
24th
Street
down
to
25th,
that's
pavement
and
it's
dirt.
It's
been
that
way
for
40
years,
nothing's
changed.
If
we
look
at
bucks
bags
across
the
street,
it's
ill
maintained,
pavement,
there's,
weeds
and
dirt
everywhere.
My
property
looks
nothing
like
this.
In
fact,
it's
an
Abomination
to
our
street.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
city
wants
to
improve
the
downtown
area
in
general
they're
trying
to
get
high
density,
housing
they're,
trying
to
improve
the
structures.
Well,
why
penalize
me
right
here
in
front
of
the
Billiards?
Q
We
go
back
to
that
last
one,
no
trees,
you
can
see
where
they
just
removed
one.
So
how
much
were
they
fined
when
they
removed
that
tree
I
wasn't
aware
of
it?
Maybe
the
city
wasn't
either.
Maybe
they
did
it
under
some
other
circumstance?
Maybe
it
was
sick,
I,
don't
know,
but
there's
no
tree
replaced
right
and
we
can
continue
on
if
we
look
at
13
and
14
..
Now
some
of
these
properties
were
recently
remodeled.
Now,
when
we
remodel
our
property,
we
were
held
to
a
standard
and
we
met
that
standard.
Q
These
properties
were
not
this.
This
Bronco
Motors.
If
we
go
back
there,
it
was
remodeled
less
than
10
years
ago.
Not
one
stitch
of
vegetation
just
rocks.
Why?
Why
are
they
held
to
a
different
standard
than
I
am
helped
too?
If
we
go
right
around
the
corner
to
gravity
payments,
it
was
remodeled.
Four
years
ago
there
was
a
tree
removed
from
this
section
and
it's
just
rocks
now.
Q
So
my
concern
committee
members
is
that
we
have
a
double
standard.
One
last
picture:
I'd
like
you
to
see
the
city's
own
project.
This
is
a
multi-million
dollar
bus,
stop
that
was
put
right
next
to
the
right
of
way
right
in
front
of
our
dealership.
They
had
to
rebuild
it
three
or
four
times.
That's
not
the
point.
The
point
is
they
completely
demolished
this
right
away?
They
had
an
opportunity
to
follow
their
own
standard,
to
pla,
plant
class
one
trees
and
and
set
the
example
for
the
community
no
trees.
Q
Just
an
easy
patch
of
grass,
which
I
maintain
I
just
want
the
opportunity
to
follow
their
standard.
That
they've
clearly
outlined
in
their
selection
guide.
I
wanted
opportunity
to
have
trees
that
don't
cause
damage
to
the
sidewalks,
where
our
public
use
them
and
an
opportunity
to
build
and
maintain
this
relationship
that
we've
had
for
48
years
with
downtown
Boise.
Q
Nothing
more
now
did
I
make
a
mistake
by
not
reaching
out
to
achd.
You
bet.
I
did
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
to
be
held
to
a
ten
thousand
dollar
fine
for
a
small
mistake
when
the
city
has
made
mistake
after
mistake
after
mistake,
I
don't
see
how
that's
warranted
now.
I
do
have
just
some
highlighted
notes
here,
so
you
can
have
your
own
copy
for
a
discussion
if,
if
I
could
approach
and
hand
these
to
each
of
you
sure.
Q
B
Yeah
I'm
not
a
not
aware
of
any
of
the
other
code
enforcement
items
with
the
neighboring
property.
Some
of
the
older
properties
probably
had
different
code
requirements
and
then
other
properties,
if
they
haven't
been
approved
or
haven't,
had
improvements
in
tenant
improvements
or
such
would
probably
be
not
subject
to
any
improvements
until
that
time,
which,
at
that
time,
I
think,
there's
even
talk
with
the
city
that
certain
tenant
improvements,
even
if
they
don't
have
exterior
improvements,
may
require
some
upgrades.
B
B
Correct
we
understand
like,
if
you
don't
improve
your
your
facility
for
40
years
and
you're,
not
making
any
changes.
The
city
doesn't
have
any
more
or
any
reason
to
require
you
to
upgrade
your
Frontage
until
that
time
of
your
improvements
come
along
and
for
the
other
code,
enforcements
I
think
those
are
things
that
you
could
certainly
bring
up
the
staff's
attention
and
they
could
maybe
describe
to
you
or
if
there's
other
circumstances,.
B
Q
We
would
be
open
to
the
city's
input
on
the
type
of
class.
One
I
would
just
focus,
some
are
heavy
in
Fruit,
droppings
and
things
and
because
we're
a
dealership-
and
that
would
cause
some
real
Havoc
for
the
use
of
our
property.
We
would
just
ask
that
we
focus
on
the
lighter
foliage,
but
we
want
trees
there.
It
was
never
that
we
didn't.
We
just
didn't
want
trees
that
broke
our
sidewalk
and
ruined
the
paint
on
our
cars.
F
Yeah
Mr
chair,
yes,
Mr
I
would
ask
staff
well
and
the
applicant
there.
There
is
a
letter
with
achd
discussing
improvements
or
fixes
to
the
sidewalk.
Is
it
the
intention
of
achd
to
replace
that
sidewalk
in
the
near
to
intermediate
term
and
if
so,
have
they
proposed
the
design?
For
that.
Q
F
Not
that
we
can
glimpse
into
the
operations
of
achd,
but
since
they're
a
tangential
agency
to
us
would
a
replacement
like
this
constitute
the
installation
of
something
like
a
silver
cell.
G
F
So
I'm
sorry
I.
F
F
F
F
The
the
timeline
on
Roots,
getting
out
to
the
point
to
the
size
of
being
truly
hazardous
is
significant.
I
mean
a
class.
33
is
not
exactly
a
fast
growing
tree
by
any
stretch,
so
I
I,
I,
just
I,
don't
know
that
I
quite
understand
why
you
would
rather
have
three
or
four
trees
than
than
two,
especially
because
when
you
get
they
put
in
the
when
they
get
put
in
the
ground,
they're
all
about
the
same
size
anyway,
right.
Q
So
class
three
tree:
if
you
see
on
that
sheet,
there
70
feet
and
above
many
are
over
a
hundred
feet:
tall.
Okay,
I!
Don't
want
that
tree
in
front
of
my
dealership,
I'm,
sorry
that
it
would
there's
no
way
the
sidewalk
would
last
and
just
because
it
might
take
10
years
for
it
to
be
a
problem.
We've
been
there.
Almost
50.
I
intend
to
be
there
at
least
that
long
again,
we're
a
third
generation
family
business.
So
why
go
against
their
own
recommendation?
Q
Why
create
this
recommendation
as
the
standard,
if
you
notice,
if
you
follow
the
standard
they're
supposed
to
be
40
to
60
feet
apart
a
class
3
tree?
Okay,
if
we
put
them
50
feet
apart,
they're
going
to
be
so
close
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
corresponding
curbing
that
it's
not
going
to
take
long
at
all
for
them
to
sprout
roots
that
are
going
to
cause
continued
damage.
So
why
plan
to
have
to
replace
the
sidewalk
again
when
we
can
simply
choose
a
smaller
tree,
as
recommended
by
the
guideline?
Q
B
E
E
I
I
have
a
question
for
you
or
for
Caitlin
I'm,
not
sure
who
the
right
person
is
to
direct
it
to
I
feel
like
this
is
not
our
area
of
expertise.
I
So
it's
difficult
to
vote
on
something
when
they're
experts
in
the
city
who
know
a
whole
lot
more
than
we
do.
I
yeah
I
mean
I,
know
that
there
are
rules
and
if,
even
though
it
doesn't
sound
right
to
me
to
plan
to
ginormous
Tree
in
a
very
small
space,
I
feel
like
people
who
work
for
forestry
know
that
better
than
we
do
so
I
I'm,
just
not
I'm,
not
sure
I,
understand
why
this
came
to
us.
If
this
is.
G
G
Yeah
Mr
chair,
Committee,
Member
Zuckerman,
so
this
application
is
before
us
just
due
to
it
being
in
a
designer
view
overlay.
So
any
landscape
changes
come
before
design
review.
This
was
a
code
compliance
issue,
so
somebody
called
it
in
and
then
they
submitted
the
design
review
application
and
we
reviewed
it
administratively
on
tree
issues,
especially
in
the
public
right-of-way.
We
do
take
advisement
from
City
forestry
and
we
rely
on
them
for
a
lot
of
our
decision
making.
So
they
have
provided
comments
that
are
in
your
packet
generally.
G
G
Forestry
did
recommend
the
class
three
trees
here
because
of
their
benefit
to
the
urban
canopy.
We
do
have
a
lot
quite
a
lack
of
urban
canopy
near
our
downtown,
just
because
of
the
urban
context
so
where
we
can
get
class
three
trees,
we're
always
going
to
try
to
get
class
three
trees.
I
G
B
G
Yeah
Mr,
chair
of
the
tree
ordinance
specifies
the
ways
in
which
city
forestry
can
determine
the
mitigation
amount,
the
way
in
which
they
typically
do
it
is
they
look
at
local
nurseries
and
they
take
the
average
price
of
a
class
II
tree,
and
then
they
determine
that
one
caliper
inch
is
equal
to
300
dollars,
and
so
they
estimated
the
caliper
inches
of
the
trees
that
were
removed
here
and
multiplied
that
by
the
three
hundred
dollars.
G
Mr,
chair
Committee,
Member,
erstad
I,
believe
in
this
case
they
did
both
at
the
way
in
which
forestry
uses
that
300
number
doesn't
really
give.
You
like
the
value
of
a
mature
tree,
because
a
small
tree
is
not
a
small
tree
at
300
300
per
inch,
so
in
this
case,
I
believe
they
chose
to
do
both.
B
I
It
almost
would
seem
odd
to
have
two
tall
trees.
Just
sticking
out
I,
don't
know
I
like
I
said
this
is
not
you
know.
I
don't
feel
like
this
is
my
area
of
expertise
at
all
and
I
get
why
we're
reviewing
this,
but
it
so
I
hate
to
go
against
forestry,
but
I
also
feel
like
I'm,
not
sure
that
this
is
a
reasonable
request
of
this
landowner
when
it's
not
consistent
with
anything
in
the
area
in
these
it.
B
B
B
That's
there
I
think
the
initial
plantings
would
be
similar
like
Mr
said
inside,
so
actually
initial
plantings
would
be
less
of
an
impact
more
open
than
than
having
three
but
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
other
class
two
trees
would
be,
that
that
they
would
recommend
in
lieu
of
the
class
Three
Trees,
I
kind
of
agree
with
Mr
stat,
that
the
class
one
trees
are
are
probably
not
appropriate
here
per
our
design,
ordinances
and
stuff.
So.
F
I
think,
to
kind
of
touch
on
the
various
points
in
play
here
straight
away.
You
know
get
into
the
50
ground
cover
I
I.
Think
that's
in
the
plan.
I
I'm
not
worried
about
that.
As
a
as
a
point
of
discussion,
I
don't
know
that
that
was
actually
being
contested
in
the
conditions
of
approval,
so
not
not
entirely
relevant.
I
I
still
think
that
the
type
one
is
probably
inappropriate.
I,
don't
think
that
that
is.
F
F
Between
two
and
three,
it's.
F
It's
it's
a
long
time
before
we
get
to
a
fully
mature
class
three
tree
and,
by
the
same
token,
I.
Don't
know
that
we
can
I
I
know
that
we
cannot
look
at
adjacent
properties
and
what
they
are
doing
and
what
they
aren't
doing.
F
We
know
that
exterior
improvements,
landscape
improvements
are
not
triggered
until
you
hit
a
major
tenant,
Improvement
versus
a
minor
tenant
Improvement,
which
most
of
these
have
had
if
they've
had
any
improvements
whatsoever,
and
also
this
is
in
an
active
new
urban
renewal
Zone
that
anticipates
a
lot
of
Redevelopment
in
the
future.
So
looking
down,
the
corridor
is
not
necessarily
I
think
an
appropriate
way
to
gauge
how
we
address
this
site.
F
I
also
think
it's
important
to
make
sure
we
do
it
right.
If
this
is
the
only
thing,
that's
changing
right
now
or
the
only
thing
in
movement,
then
we
need
to
at
least
get
the
bare
minimum
in
this
place.
I
think,
as
far
as
the
value
goes.
F
To
Caitlyn's
points
in
the
forestry's
point,
it's
difficult
to
value
a
mature
tree
relative
to
a
couple
caliper
inches
on
a
nursery
that
said,
I
I,
don't
necessarily
disagree
that
these
are
not
the
best
looking
trees.
I
I,
don't
know
that
they
were
in
the
best
of
shape
and
I
can't
say
for
a
fact
that
these
were
what
their
value
was.
I
think
that
you
know
if
we
were
to
get
to
a
net
value
versus
a
gross
value
that
might
seem
more
fair
in
the
applicant
size
and
I.
F
Don't
know
that
I
would
be
able
to
contest
it
either
way,
but
that
still
leaves
the
question
of
which
trees
get
required.
I
still
don't
see
why
you'd
rather
plant
Three
Trees
than
two
or
four
trees
than
two
given
the
space
there.
You
know
the
if
it's
a
75
foot,
long
planter
and
you're
putting
four
trees
in
it's
20
feet,
you're
still
going
to
have
seven
and
a
half
feet
on
either
end,
which
is
greater
than
the
five
feet
from
either
side
of
your
planter.
F
But
by
the
same
token,
if
you
go
down
to
a
40
foot
spacing
on
a
class
3
tree,
then
you
still
have
only
out
17
and
a
half
feet
on
either
end
against
your
five
feet.
So
I
I'm,
not
convinced
by
the
argument
that
you
know
we're
getting
too
close
to
these
curb
cuts
for
getting
too
close
to
any
of
this
stuff.
F
B
J
Those
questions
for
Caitlin
I
just
want
to
confirm
the
direction
that
you're
giving
us
or
the
request
of
us.
Can
we
change
the
original
conditions
approval,
or
is
this
just
a
straight
up?
Yes
or
no
in
terms
of
the
appeal.
G
Yeah
Mr
chair,
Committee,
Member
Aguilar
you
could,
it
would
basically
be
approving
the
appeal
with
the
change
of
conditions.
Thank
you.
B
Other
questions
yeah,
it's
a
I,
I
hear
your
point.
Mr
stat,
on
on
some
of
the
trees
and
the
look
part
thing
is
the
photos
from
November.
So
it's
hard
to
tell
at
that
time
of
the
year
exactly
kind
of
have
to
trust
forestry
on
on
their
their
recommendations.
B
G
F
G
F
Okay
and
at
the
same
time,
you
know
this
is
a
this
is
a
committee
that
looks
at
projects
that
range
from
you
know
a
half,
a
million
dollars
to
85
million
dollars,
and
it's
kind
of
hard
to
look
at
ten
thousand
dollars
and
say:
oh,
my
gosh,
that's
just
too
bitter
of
a
pill
to
swallow,
especially
when
it
comes
to
something
that
is
so
impactful
on
the
public
right
away
and
is
in
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
I
feel
like
I,
keep
contradicting
myself.
J
And
Mr
chair,
yes,
I
think
we
also
have
to
just
be
mindful
of
any
type
of
Precedence
that
we
set,
for.
We
want
to
discourage
other
folks
from
potentially
removing
trees,
as
they
think
it's
an
issue
without
going
through
the
appropriate
channels
and
I.
Think
that's
just
something
we
need
to
be
mindful,
as
well
as
we
deliberate.
I
I
I
think
it's
hard
to
compare
that
to
the
large
sums
of
money
that
developers
pay
to
build
their
projects
that
they
've
chosen
to
build
seems
like
a
very
Hefty
find
to
me
but
I.
F
B
I
mean
it
seems
like
we're
relying
on
forestry
to
make
these
decisions.
We
have
ordinance
I
mean
if
we
had
a
forested
site
that
somebody
was
going
to
develop
and
clear
out
and
mitigate
they'd,
be
set
to
the
same
standard
to
mitigate
their
own
site.
So
I
I
don't
know
that.
There's
a
very
strong
stance
that
we
have,
without
some
other
reason
other
than
to
go
against
forestry,
which
we
really
don't
that
I
see
to
counterdict
what
what
the
amount
listed
in
here.
F
I
I
understand
the
idea
of
setting
examples,
and
you
know
we've
already
had
several
rather
high
profile
cases
of
people
removing
trees
without
permits
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
more
examples
we
can
set.
B
J
B
That
Christina,
please
call
the
roll.
K
R
This
subject,
property
is
located
on
the
west
side
of
North
30th
Street
in
the
south
side
of
West
Bella
Street.
The
surrounding
area
is
residential,
with
multi-family
to
the
South,
a
duplex
to
the
north
and
a
single
family
residential
to
the
east
and
west.
R
R
Just
to
give
you
some
background
on
this
project
on
January
13
2022,
the
applicant
got
approval
from
design
Review
Committee
to
construct
accessory
developing
unit
with
a
garage
and
one
bedroom
residential
space.
A
requirement
to
construct
an
additional
attached
sidewalk
on
30th
Street,
was
included
in
condition
1D
in
the
conditions
of
approval.
R
R
So
the
highlighter
red
area
is
where
the
required
attached
sidewalk
would
go
in,
and
this
is
a
street
view
from
West
Bella
Street
looking
Southeast,
that's
a
street
view
from
North
30th
Street
looking
for
the
north
up.
R
So
after
doing
some
research
in
the
analysis,
the
planning
team
finds
that
the
construction
requires
sidewalk
at
this
location
will
need
to
remove
the
existing
mature,
Silver
Maple
and
subsequently
compromise
the
neighborhood
character.
This
silver
maple
is
approximately
about
40
inches
in
caliper
size
with
45
feet,
canopy
spread
City.
First,
three
staff
have
evaluated
the
silver
Maple's
house
and
is
deemed
to
be
in
fair
condition.
R
Highway
District
staff
have
also
visited
the
site
and
conquered
with
the
forest
forestry.
The
installation
of
a
sidewalk
at
this
location
will
stress
the
tree
and
likely
require
its
removal.
In
addition,
as
you
can
see
from
the
street,
imagery
mature
tree
lines
is
part
of
the
sunset
neighborhoods
character.
It
provides
a
Parkway
atmosphere
and
most
of
the
neighborhood
streets.
R
Boise
comprehensive
plan
requires
I
walk
to
preserve
the
historical
character
of
the
neighborhoods.
So
to
remove
the
existing
tree
will
compromise
such
neighborhood
character
at
the
location
and
would
not
satisfy
Boise
blueprints
a
requirement.
R
The
planning
team
also
finds
that
there's
lack
of
adjacent
improvements
to
form
a
connected
pedestrian
Network
at
this
location.
As
you
can
see
from
the
existing
sidewalk
map,
the
green
highlighted
lines
at
the
location
of
existing
site
work.
There
is
only
a
sidewalk
located
to
the
south
of
property
in
front
of
the
duplex
development.
There
is
no
other
existing
or
proposed
sidewall
connecting
to
the
site
from
either
side
of
West,
Bella,
Street
or
north
of
30th
Street.
R
Foreign
public
comment
was
received
in
regards
to
the
safety
and
the
accessibility
for
pedestrian
and
the
bike
users.
Staff
agrees
that
it
is
very
important.
The
workability
is
something
the
city
is
trying
to
promote,
but
after
doing
some
research
stuff
finds
that
there
actually
are
existing
by
bypass
and
pedestrian
infrastructure
located
near
the
subject.
Property:
this
is
this
map
shows
an
existing
sidewalk
Network
and
also
the
existing
shd
roadways
to
Bike
Race
network.
R
R
So,
in
summary,
staff
finds
at
this
moment
keeping
the
tree.
It
is
more
valuable
than
to
is
more
valuable
to
the
property
and
to
the
neighborhood
than
to
construct
a
section
of
attached.
Sidewalk
with
that
and
the
findings
analysis,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
drh-23-00206
with
the
following
conditions
for
all
the
effort
we
spend
here
to
trying
to
preserve
the
existing
trade.
R
This
planning
team
finds
that
it's
important
to
require
that
the
proposed
three
feet-
Cedar
fans
along
North,
30th
Street-
shall
not
be
erected
within
the
right
way
or
in
any
location
where
damage
to
the
silver
maple
tree
may
occur.
The
existing
super
Maple
shall
be
preserved
and
protected
from
all
ongoing
site.
Construction.
R
So
for
the
street
side
the
buildings
are
back
is
10.
and
the
street
site
setback
is
15.
Interior
side
back
is
15,
the
rare
is
10.
foreign.
E
E
D
Mr
chair,
yes,
ask
a
follow-up,
I
think
I
remember
when
this
one
came
through
initially
was
it
conditioned
to
have
detached
sidewalk
and
the
applicant
had
some
concerns
about
drainage
and
how
close
the
sidewalk
was
to
the
house
and
all
that
stuff?
Is
that
that's
what.
S
F
F
If
sidewalk
of
some
sort
is
part
of
this
pro
project
as
it
should
be,
then
I
think
you
know.
Maybe
we
go
back
to
the
detached
sidewalk,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
we
should
get
rid
of
sidewalk
here.
B
We
I
mean
we
can
certainly
let
the
applicant
address
that
at
this
point
in
times
and
staff
is
done
with
their
portion.
So
is
the
applicant
online
Josh,
yeah
or
I'm
sorry,
yeah,
Catherine.
S
Awesome
Stacy
gombert,
I'm,
the
property
owner
and
just
to
address
your
point,
it
wasn't
that
I'm
trying
to
find
another
way
out
it
was
I
asked
a
CD
achd
to
come
by
and
Ryan
the
one
that
fixes.
Sidewalks
was
like
because
I
just
wanted
him
to
tell
me
where
the
sidewalk
is
going
to
go
and
have
him
kind
of
assess
the
situation,
and
he
said
we
should
not
put
a
sidewalk
in
and
I
was
like.
Why
and
he
said
where
you're
gonna
put
it.
S
If
you
have
to
go
around
it
at
all,
it's
going
to
get
into
those
roots
and
it's
a
very
old
silver
maple,
so
I
I,
that's
where
this
all
started.
I
was
set
on
proceeding
with
a
sidewalk
until
I
had
achd
come
out,
so
he
came
out
first
and
then
it's
in
the
letter,
Michael
also
came
out
and
or
I
think
he
either
visited
while
I
wasn't
there,
I've
never
met
Michael,
but
I've
talked
to
him
and
he
also
agreed
that
there
should
not
be
a
sidewalk
there.
S
If
you
go
too
far
in
like
not
right
next
to
the
the
street,
not
adjacent
to
the
street,
then
you're
gonna
have
to
go
into.
My
property
is
what
he
said
and
I
don't
I
I.
That's
all
I
know
is
that
he
is
the
sidewalk
person
and
said
we
should
not
put
a
sidewalk
in.
Not
only
is
it
going
to
hurt
the
tree
he's
going
to
be
back
there,
fixing
that
sidewalk
every
few
years.
S
And
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
more
questions
if
I
can
other
than
that.
That's
all
the
information
I
have
is
through
achd
that
they
do
not
want
a
sidewalk
and
he
I
said
well.
What
do
I
do
because
city
of
Boise
wants
one,
and
he
said
that's
when
this
whole
appeal
was
presented
to
me,
I
didn't
even
know
we
could
appeal.
B
F
S
With
this
Catherine
I
believe
talked
to
them.
I
approached
Michael.
He
said
that
he
would
talk
to
Josh
Wilson
if
he
called
him
personally
and
he
never
did
I
brought
up
that
situation
with
Catherine
and
she
commented
that
she
thought
she
had
enough
information
and
enough
discussions
with
achd
to
not
need
that
part
of
it,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
get
that
if
we
need
to
go
back
and
talk
to
achd.
R
Mr
Chair
Company
member,
our
staff
I,
did
not
have
direct
conversation
with
shd
nor
receive
any
direct
correspondence
from
achd,
but
in
parks
of
memo.
Approximation,
the
meaning
between
forestry
and
ACG
and
ACG
conqueror
with
forestry,
is
finding
about
the
construction
of
the
sidewalk
will
compromise
the
tree's
house
in
the
likely
will
need
to
remove
the
tree.
B
Any
other
questions
for
the
applicant.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
testify
on
this
item
tonight,
seeing
none
in
person
Josh.
Do
you
have
some
online
okay
and
when
able
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Deborah
tackman
1614,
North,
30th,
Street,
Boise
I
am
Stacy's
neighbor
and
I've
lived
there
for
decades.
That
silver
maple
has
been
there
the
whole
time.
It's
lovely
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
have
it
there.
It
gives
Beauty
it
gives
historicity
and
it
gives
shade
and
it's
a
joy.
P
It's
part
of
the
beautiful
drive
down
the
street
and
just
looking
around
and
it's
a
joy,
and
there
are
many
neighbors
that
feel
that
way
they
haven't
all
been
able
to
get
online
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and-
and
we
kind
of
didn't,
realize
that
the
time
limit
to
get
things
in
but
I'm
calling
in
favor
of
keeping
the
tree,
you
can
always
put
a
sidewalk
in
50
years
from
now,
there's
never
been
a
sidewalk
there
ever
as
far
as
you
know
and
I
don't
see
any
need
for
one
people
enjoy
the
walk
in
the
neighborhood,
all
the
time,
I
see
them,
walking
their
dogs
and
just
going
for
walks
and
stuff.
P
As
is
and
I've,
never
seen
a
problem
at
all,
and
so
I
would
really
appreciate
and
I
know.
Many
others
would
to
be
able
to
keep
that
beautiful
tree
and
it
fits
other
trees
in
that
area
too.
It's
the
same
type
of
tree
and
we
appreciate
being
able
to
keep
it
and
that
it's
been
there.
It's
been
a
pleasure
and
it
still
is.
E
B
After
any
others
wishing
to
testify
tonight
online
see
none
see
none
in
the
audience
with
the
applicant
like
to
make
any
closing
statements.
Thank
you.
B
S
Okay,
yeah,
oh
sorry,
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
still
hear
me,
but
yeah
I
don't
have
any
closing
arguments.
Yeah
I
I
am
all
for
a
city
that
is
walkable
I'm,
not
for
killing
a
tree.
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
50
years
from
now
that
we're
actually
going
to
be
able
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
I
think
that
tree
maybe
has
two
decades
left,
but
I
would
say
it's
either.
You
know
a
sidewalk
or
a
tree
and
I
think
the
city
wants
both
and
I.
S
B
D
The
city
wants
to
take
a
more
kind
of
less
black
and
white
code.
Look
at
something
like
this
and
looks
at
the
specific
instances.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
no
sidewalk
here.
If
it
saves
the
tree,
I
mean
we
already
granted
the
approval
with
no
side,
welcome,
Bella
I,
believe,
or
is
that
amazing,
whichever
one
of
the
ones
that
runs
along
the
north?
We
weren't
going
to
require
it
there
anyway,
if
there's
other
facilities
here,
I
have
friends
that
live
right
around
the
corner.
From
here
yeah
we
you
walk
through
the
street.
I
Mr
chair
yes
for
the
last
project,
we
decided
to
listen
to
forestry
and
I
think
we
should
again
hear
and
generally
I
I
believe
in
the
sidewalks
to
Nowhere,
even
though
they
look
absurd
one
day,
they
will
make
sense,
but
in
this
case,
if
it's
a
sidewalk
to
not
really
anywhere
except
a
street,
that's
very
much
walkable
versus
a
really
old
tree.
Gotta
go
with
the
tree.
D
And
Mr
chair,
I,
think
also
this
site
itself
is
so
small
that
there
isn't
I
mean
I.
Think
we've
already
established
that
there's
not
the
opportunity
to
detach
the
sidewalk
without
creating
additional
encumbrances
and
the
site
is
small
and
unique
and
they're
not
redeveloping
it
at
any,
like
comprehensive
manner.
Really
so
I'm
in
agreement.
I,
don't
agree
with
the
sidewalks.
J
Different
companies
I
support
this
application
and
I
just
would
ask
the
applicant
to
maybe
reach
out
to
achd
and
get
a
letter
indicating
that
they're,
okay,
with
what's
being
proposed
more
than
anything
just
to
have
in
their
file,
and
just
because
who
knows
in
the
future.
Something
might
come
up
and
you'll
be
able
to
pull
the
letter
out
and
show
that
achd
was
in
support
of
not
having
the
sidewalk.
Thank
you.
B
D
B
Thank
you,
Ms
suckerman
move
to
Second
any
discussion
on
emotions.
Hearing
none
Christina
you
please
call
the
roll.