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A
A
Right
here,
thank
you
perfect,
so
yeah
just
briefly
item
number
one
we
are
going
to
here-
that
is,
that
was
deferred
back
in
June
and
that's
a
new
detached
garage
on
North
7th
Street
item
number:
two:
is
a
deferral
so
requesting
deferral
until
the
August
28th.
B
A
Productive
number:
two:
that's
on
the
Eastman
Street
item
number
three,
also
requesting
deferral
to
August
28th
on
Crawl.
A
Item
number
four
on
North
18th
Street.
This
was
deferred
last
month
to
allow
the
applicant
to
get
some
more
information.
We
will
hear
that
one
briefly
item
number
five
on
North
10th
Street
for
the
facade
renovation
and
of
the
local
landmark
building.
A
We
will
hear
that
item
foreign
number
six
is
on
North
13th
Street
and
is
to
enclose
a
patio
on
an
existing
building
and
construct
a
new
addition.
We
will
hear
that
item
as
well.
A
Item
number:
seven:
on
West
Franklin
to
construct
a
new
single
family
residence.
We
will
hear
that
item
also.
A
And
finally,
item
number
eight:
on
North
17th
for
an
addition
to
an
existing
residence.
We
will
defer
recommending
deferral
to
August
28th
for
that
one
as
well,
so
no
consent
items
three
deferrals
and
here
are
the
rest.
D
C
We
are
a
citizen
volunteer,
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
certificate
of
appropriateness
applications.
Any
decisions
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
C
This
means
that
if
an
applicant,
if
an
applicant,
agrees
with
staff
report-
and
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
Hearing
in
order
to
for
just
detailed
if
you,
in
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago,
a
staff,
applicant,
neighborhood
association
and
then
public
testimony.
Thank
you
all
for
attending
tonight.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
roll
peep.
C
Absent,
thank
you.
I!
Don't
have
the
sign
up
sheets
yet
from
the
oh.
Thank
you.
We
don't
have
anything
for
the
consent
agenda
tonight.
So
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
June
26th
minute
Madam.
C
G
C
You
we
do
have
several
items
hoping
to
be
deferred
tonight.
The
first
item
is.
C
Dr823-00121,
this
is
item
number
two
on
the
agenda.
It
is
at
2123,
West,
Eastman,
Street,
an
appeal
of
the
administrative
denial
of
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
allow
final
windows
on
the
property.
C
C
C
D
C
You,
the
next
item
up
for
deferral
tonight,
is
item
number
three
drh23-00122.
C
C
H
C
Drh23-00226-
and
this
is
at
1515,
North
17th
Street
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
an
addition
to
an
existing
single-family
residence
and
add
a
detached
garage
with
an
edu
above
on
the
property.
Can
I
get?
Is
there
anybody
wishing
to
testify
on
this
item
that
cannot
return
on
August
28th
online.
C
J
I
Yes,
I
can
absolutely
I
was
here.
The
previous
hearing,
I
I
just
had
some
audio
issues,
but
yes,
if
it
needs
to
be
deferred,
I
can
show
up
then
as
well.
K
C
I
Okay,
it
was
709
West
Eastman
was
the
original
address
of
this
home
I've
been
trying
to
get
approval
for
this
now,
for
it's
been
two
years,
I
was
told
to
move
the
front
door,
which
is
why
the
address
has
changed
to
what
you're,
seeing
which
off
the
top
of
my
head,
the
new
address
to
what
you
just
said
is
one
seven.
I
Forgive
me
I'm
drawing
a
blank
on
the
new
address,
because
we
moved
the
front
door
from
facing
Eastman
through
facing
7th
Street,
so
that
yep,
that's.
That
might
be
some
of
the
confusion
that
you
might
be
sifting
through
right
now,.
C
I
C
C
You
so
with
that
we'll
move
to
onto
our
new
business.
The
first
item
that
we're
hearing
tonight
is
drh23-00048.
This
was
deferred
from
our
June
26th
meeting.
It's
at
1721
North,
7th
Street,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
new
detached
garage
with
an
Adu
above
on
the
property
Steph.
Can
we
please
get
the
report.
E
I
can,
as
you
say,
this
is
at
that
address,
1712
North,
7th
Street,
and
they
want
to
build
this
new
detached
garage
with
an
Adu
above,
and
it
is
now
with
the
change
we
heard
a
little
bit
about
in
the
previous
communication.
This
is
now
at
the
rear
of
the
property
based
on
an
address
changing
and
here's
the
here's,
the
site
plan,
to
give
you
a
context
of
where
it's
located
within
the
district,
and
here
is
the
existing
site
showing
the
existing
house
and
the
existing
garage.
A
E
And
your
side
plans
to
be
your
site
plans
to
give
you
an
indication
of
its
location,
as
relates
to
the
house,
provided
here
at
the
elevations.
E
And
our
analysis
is
that,
since
the
residential
historic
district
guidelines
state
that
new
construction
in
a
historic
district
should
not
overwhelm
neighboring
structures
in
height,
they
should
remain
within
a
similar
Range
found
within
the
vicinity
of
the
neighboring
properties.
Now
this
existing
home
is
a
one-story
building
that
is
15
feet
to
what
they're
proposing
is
21
feet,
three,
which
is
a
full
six
feet,
one
inches
taller
than
the
residence
itself
and
many
adjacent
houses.
E
Though,
however,
staff
noticed
that
next
story
there
is
a
resonance
with
an
addition
that
a
butts
the
alley,
that
is
a
full
two
story,
is
probably
at
least
probably
taller
than
this
house,
and
that
across
the
alley
there
are
one
and
a
half
and
two-story
garages
and
additions
that,
but
those
that
alley
and
the
height.
Therefore,
we
saw
that
the
height
of
is
appropriate.
Giving
the
adjoining
and
nearby
structures
Heights
are
are
similar
standard.
E
Nine
says
that
the
secretary
I'm,
sorry,
the
Secretary
of
standard
nine,
says
that
new
construction
should
be
compatible
with
historic
materials,
feature
size,
scale
and
proportion
and
massing
to
predict
the
Integrity
of
the
property
and
its
environment.
We
feel
is
demonstrated.
Above
This
proposed
construction
is
of
a
compatible
size,
skill
and
proportion
and
massing
of
nearby
buildings,
especially
in
ciliary
buildings,
and
therefore
we
feel
in
this
instance
unique
instance.
It
does
meet
the
standards
and
with
that
staff
is
going
to
recommend
approval.
C
No
thanks,
we'll
now
hear
from
the
applicant
who
is
online.
C
Respect
we
need
your
name
and
address
and
you
have
20
minutes
to
tell
us
about
your
project.
So
this
is
the
staff
recommending
approval
and
then
we'll
make
a
decision
about
the
project
after
hearing
from
you
and
and
the
neighborhood
association
and
anybody
present
online
or
in
person
who
wants
to
talk
so
first,
your
name
and
address
please.
Oh.
I
Sure
yeah
Holly
Mitchell
and
it's
the
1721
7th
Street
on
North
7th,
Street,
Boise
Idaho
I,
purchased
this
home
about
four
years
ago.
It's
a
great
little
corner
lot
to
your
point.
There's
a
lot
of
a
large
towering
homes
that
have
been
added
additions
and
I've
had
a
one-car
garage
on
this
lot.
So
my
my
hope
is
to
obviously
it
might.
This
home
is
a
very
small
house
on
a
very
large
corner
lot
and
I
wanted
to
build
additional
space
as
well
as
additional
garage
parking.
I
If
I'm
recalling
right,
19
late
1950s,
it
was
originally,
it
was
then
moved
to
Eastman,
so
they
recommended.
We
move
the
door
to
7th
Street,
which
I
did
invested.
I
Obviously
a
lot
of
financial
funds
to
do
that,
and
we
have
lowered
the
ad
unit
over
the
course
of
three
at
least
three.
Maybe
even
four
modifications
to
meet
the
the
requirements
and
the
feedback
that
we've
gotten
back
from
the
historic
district
also
I
personally
have
gone
to
every
neighbor
surrounding
me,
giving
them
the
drawings
and
having
them
sign
off
and
also
in
support,
because
everything
that
I
want
to
do
is
is
going
to
be
extremely
tasteful
and
matching
and
will
absolutely
enhance
the
curb
appeal
and
existing
curb
appeal.
I
I
want
to
match
the
house
as
it
stands
today
is
is
my
my
goal,
so
the
two
units
look
very
similar
and
complement
each
other.
I
C
Great,
thank
you
Ms
Mitchell.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
all
right,
seeing
none
you'll
have
a
chance
to
rebuttal
in
just
a
minute.
Do
we
have
the
neighborhood
association
present
and
wanting
to
testify
on
this
item?
You
can
state
your
name
and
address.
Please.
L
There
we
go
there,
he
is
Sandra
Herman,
1404,
North,
7th,
Street,
Madam,
chair
committee
members,
Nina
HPC,
does
not
support
this
project.
At
this
time.
We
are
concerned
about
the
height
of
the
say
to
you,
given
the
six
foot
Delta
between
it
in
the
single
story
house,
this
property
sits
on
a
corner
on
a
hill
and
it's
easily
visible
in
the
neighborhood
similar
projects
with
single
story
homes
wanting
overly
tall
adus
in
the
neighborhood
have
been
denied.
L
Inconsistency
in
applying
the
guidelines,
the
house
next
door
to
this
property
on
the
south
sits
way
back
on
its
on
the
lot
immediately
next
to
the
alley
and
close
to
the
northern
property
line
and
I
did
take
a
bunch
of
pictures
and
they
should
be
in
your
packet.
The
two-story
Adu
proposed
would
sit
snugly
next
to
this
house
and
possibly
block
windows.
This
might
create
privacy
issues
as
well.
L
We
had
a
little
bit
of
difficulty
communicating
with
this
applicant
last
week.
There
were
no
signs
posted
for
the
project
and
we
aren't
sure
how
aware
the
neighbors
are
about
the
project.
It's
my
understanding
that
this
has
been
deferred
a
few
times,
so
maybe
there
were
signs
up
at
another
time,
but
I
didn't
see
them
last
week.
L
Garages
on
the
North
End
of
the
alley
near
this
project
are
all
single
story
on
the
south.
End
of
the
alley
are
3A
to
use
and
across
the
street
on
East
Bend
is
another
two-story
single
car
Adu.
L
L
C
No
okay
I'll
go
to
the
sign
up
sheet
and
we
do
not
have
anyone
signed
up.
Is
there
anyone
who
didn't
sign
up
but
would
like
to
testify
no
one
in
the
room.
Anyone
online.
C
Doesn't
look
like
it
okay,
so
applicant,
you
are
welcome
to
rebut
and
address
some
of
the
things
Nina
brought
up
if
you'd
like.
I
I
That
was
the
how
the
two-story
was
an
addition
built
onto
the
house
and
they
do
not
have
garage
parking
and
then
also
when
you
look
to
the
north
on
a
street,
there
is
an
Ado
correct,
it's
a
one,
I
one
car
garage
and
then
the
80
on
top,
which
is
taller
than
what
I'm
proposing
to
build
and
going
back
to
the
analysis
of
the
historic
district,
given
that
it
is
compatible
with
the
historic
materials
that
have
been
defined
and
we've
we've
taken
that
into
consideration.
I
As
we
have
you
know,
put
these
plans
together,
multiple
times
to
meet
the
requirements
and
the
the
features
in
size.
The
scale
is
absolutely
in
proportion
with
what
is
on
this
block
into
what
was
just
said.
I
It
is
a
it
is
a
nice
size,
piece
of
property,
and
there
is
plenty
of
room
to
to
build
this
small
accommodation
and
it
you
know
especially
the
way
that
we
are.
We
are
hoping
to
design
it.
So,
in
effect,
in
the
end,
it
will
only
enhance
you
know
the
the
North
End
District
and
obviously
enhance
much
my
quality
of
living.
This
is
a
large
lot.
My
house
is
not
even
1300
square
feet,
and
this
space
is
is
absolutely
critical.
I
I
had
a
one-car
garage
that
was
beaten
down
with
with
dirt
flooring
on
it
and
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
make
an
improvement
for
what
I
hope
to
live
in
the
North
End
for
for
many
many
years
to
come.
So
I'd
really
appreciate
this
being
considered
as
I'm.
Putting
this
isn't
a
lipstick
on
a
pig
kind
of
project.
If
I
may
say,
I
mean
I'm
wanting
to
do
this
first
class
and
keeping
it
very
cohesive.
I
In
addition,
the
only
thing
I
will
add
too
is
is
working
over
the
past
couple
years
with
the
historic
district
I
have
taken
every
feedback
they've
given
me
through
this
process
and
have
made
accommodations
and
have
also
gotten
approvals
from
there
has
been
signs,
you're
correct.
It
was
not
last
week
this
was
done
last
year,
posting
signs
and
getting
signatures
of
all
the
approvals
we
needed.
It's
just
been
a
long
process,
so
I
would
really
like
this
project
to
be
considered.
C
Thank
you,
Ms
Mitchell
can
I
ask
a
question
quick
understand
which
way
does
the
you
said
you
moved
the
front
door,
so
it's
not
facing
Eastman
anymore
or
it.
I
Is
it
is
not
my
address
used
to
be
709,
West
Eastman,
and
it
is
now
the
front
door
because
of
the
historic
district
after
these
hearings
two
years
ago,
said
that
my
front
door
needed
to
go
back
to
the
original
position,
which
apparently
was
on
7th
Street,
and
now
my
house
I'm
not
going
to
to
lie
it's
a
little
bit
awkward,
you
see
the
house
or
the
front
door
positioned
towards
7th
Street
and
I
had
to
rebuild
a
walkway
for
it
so,
and
that
was
that
again
was
feedback
in
order
to
get
this
approved.
C
I
The
cost
of
the
cost
of
moving
the
front
door
was
ten
thousand
dollars,
it
was,
it
was
nine
thousand
and
some
change
and,
and
you
know,
and
and
and
even
even
then,
we
said
that
it
aesthetically
and
what
made
sense.
The
house
looked
adorable
coming
out
on
Eastman
and
facing
the
houses
across
the
street.
So
even
then
it
didn't
make
any
sense,
but
it
was
more
important
to
have
the
space.
So
so
obviously
we
did
it
in
hopes
to
build
this.
We've
got
a
lot
invested
in
it.
C
Okay,
sorry,
just
so
I'm
clear,
the
path
comes
up
off
of
Eastman
and
then
the
but
the
door
opens
towards
7th
Street.
C
All
right
hearing-
none
thank
you.
Ms
Mitchell
I
will
go
ahead
and
we'll
close
the
hearing,
the
public
portion
of
it
and
we'll
render
a
decision.
So
if
I
can
have
discussion
or
emotion,
can.
F
I
start
with
a
question
for
staff:
sure
thanks
manager,
Josh
or
Richard.
Can
you
speak
to
the
proper
noticing
for
an
item?
That's
been
deferred
for
and
and
I
guess
reference
to
this
application.
It
sounds
like
there
was
not
proper
signage.
D
E
That's
my
understanding
that
there
was
sign
posting
for
the
initial
I
think
it
was
March
when
this
was
first
heard
and
then
deferred
and
now
now
we're
here.
So
there
is
seems
to
be
a
record
of
a
posting.
Then
I
spoke
with
the
applicant
and
they
said
they
said
as
much.
E
Yeah,
you
don't
have
to
keep
on
reposting
and
reposting
and
reposting
as
deferrals
happen.
If
you
posted
on
the
initial
attempt,
let's
say
then
you're
posted
for,
however
long
deferrals
last
okay.
C
Thank
you
and
I
have
one
more
question
for
Steph,
so
we
you
asked
them
to
move
the
the
door
to
face
seventh
or.
F
It
looks
like
that
item
has
a
a
drh21
number,
so
it
must
have
been
done
two
years
ago,
which
I
think
would
chalk
up
to
what
the
applicant
said
and
originally
the
hospital
seemed
to
have
a
1910
construction
date
and
it
had
a
17
I
believe
it
was
17,
19
or
1721
7th
Street
address
at
some
point
in
the
mid
50s
they
shifted
the
front
door
to
Eastman
changed
the
address,
and
so
there
was
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
granted
to
move
the
address
back
to
its
original
address.
E
I
think
so,
and
that
of
course,
now
makes
that
location
a
rear
yard
instead
of
a
side
yard
which
would
have
caused
Great
difficulties
in
getting
any
any
structure
approved
in
a
side
yard,
so
that
made
it
become
a
rare
yard
and
altered
the
setback
requirements.
Therefore,
okay.
C
F
Madam,
chair
I
had
pulled
up
our
our
design
guidelines,
which
again
are
our
guidelines.
Not
not
our
laws
and
I
I'm
having
a
really
hard
time
finding
anything
to
back
up
opposing
this
I
I
do
and
I
can
understand.
Nina's
reluctance
and
and
I
I
agree
with
it.
I
I'm,
just
having
a
hard
time
being
able
to
back
that
up
part
of
the
guidelines.
G
H
Yeah
Madam
chair
and
my
comments.
I
agree,
you
know
it's
not
contributing
house.
Unfortunately,
we
haven't
had
new
survey
because
before
it
was
updated
again,
it
probably
would
have
been
a
contributing
house.
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
the
all
of
these
two-story
adus
in
the
North
End
and
the
cumulative
effects
that
they
all
have
on
the
eligibility
of
the
district
overall,
so
I'm
not
going
to
oppose
this
project,
but
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind.
Okay,.
D
C
You,
let's
move
on
to
item
number
four
drh23-00172.
This
was
also
deferred
from
the
June
26
meeting.
It's
at
1401
North,
18th
Street
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
character,
defining
facade
of
a
property
in
an
r
in
a
single
family,
residential
with
historic
overlay,
Zone
staff.
Can
we
please
get
the
report.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
Sorry,
the
deferral
through
our
numbering
off
a
little
bit
there
so
yeah.
This
property
is
at
1401,
North,
18th
Street,
and
they
have
requested
to
modify
the
primary
facade
by
relocating
the
front
door.
You
will
recall
this
application
from
last
month.
The
applicant
needed
to
do
some
additional
Research
into
the
original
condition
of
the
home,
so
the
commission
deferred
it
to
this
hearing
again
the
properties
northwest
corner
of
rydenbaugh
and
North
18th
Street.
A
It
is
a
it
is
a
small
lot
with
a
small
structure
on
there.
So
currently
the
front
door
faces
to
the
side
of
a
little
enclosed
Alcove
on
the
front
of
the
home.
The
applicant
supposition
was
that
that
door
originally
faced
to
the
street
and
they
have
proposed
to
move
that
front
door
back
to
the
street.
A
The
additional
research
the
applicant
did
did
find
a
few
items
that
seemed
to
suggest
that
that
front
door
did
face
the
street
there's
a
number
of
packets
in
your
photo,
and
this
is
the
one
that
shows
it
the
best.
It's
probably
going
to
be
pretty
hard
to
see
up
here
on
the
screen,
but
you
can
certainly
see
some
line.
A
very
much
door
shaped
outline
in
the
wall,
and
that
would
be
the
wall
facing
the
street
where
that
front
door
likely
was
before.
A
Additionally,
the
Sanborn
map
shows
that
the
original
configuration
of
the
home
had
front
porches
on
both
sides
of
that
front
that
were
somewhat
deeper
than
So.
Currently,
there
are
some
additions
that
are
built
into
what
was
formed
with
that
front
porch
here
on
the
on
the
south
of
this
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
there
was
a
closet
Edition
built
in
that
then
created
that
small
Alcove.
A
The
north
side
of
the
home
also
had
some
construction
that
was
built
out
and
currently
contains
a
bathroom
I
believe
so,
along
with
that
new
evidence,
Nina
submitted
some
photos
of
other
homes
in
the
North
End.
That
certainly
appear
to
be
the
same
style
of
structure.
They
were
kit
homes
likely
with
that
additional
information
we
do
recommend
approval.
The
applicant
is
here
tonight
to
present
some
information
and
I
would
stand
for
any
questions.
Great.
C
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
Stuff
yeah
all
right
now
we
can
hear
from
the
applicant
name
and
address
please
and
then
you
have
20
minutes.
J
Hello,
Tiffany
King
I
live
at
1401
North
18th
Street
I
was
able
to
do
a
little
bit
of
history,
diving,
I,
suppose
I
went
and
I
went
to
the
historical,
the
State
Historical
preservation
office
and
did
find
the
Sanborn
map
that
showed
that
the
structure
was
initially
different
than
it
is
now,
and
so
as
it
stands,
it
would
be.
J
It
all
makes
a
little
bit
more
sense,
so
we're
just
really
hopeful
that
we
might
be
able
to
use
that
little
Alcove
as
a
entrance
or
entryway
into
our
tiny
little
house.
Great.
C
C
Any
questions
for
the
applicant
all
right
hearing,
none
is
there
anyone
representing
the
neighborhood
association
I'd
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
L
Sandra
Hermann
1404,
North,
7th
Street,
Madam,
chair
and
committee
members,
the
owner
Tiffany
King,
was
very
welcoming
to
Nina
and
I
met
with
her
immediately
after
the
meeting
in
June.
L
After
reviewing
the
house
in
person,
it
was
easy
to
see
that
this
is
a
house
that,
in
my
estimation,
is
probably
a
kit
house
or
a
Sears
house,
and
that
there
are
many
examples
of
it
in
the
neighborhood
there's
abundant
evidence
that
the
front
door
used
to
face
the
street
was
once
either
a
parlor
or
a
dining
room
is
now
a
bedroom
and
a
closet
was
made
in
half
of
the
front
porch.
This
house
still
has
amazing
charm
and
original
elements,
even
though
it
has
been
civil
fairly
altered
inside.
L
We
would
like
to
remind
all
applicants
that
any
changes
in
materials
stated
in
their
agreed
upon
application
need
to
be
approved
by
the
city
and
not
doing
so
could
result
in
remediation
at
for
the
contractor
or
the
owner's
expense.
Thank.
C
Nobody
in
the
room
anybody
online
doesn't
appear
so
all
right.
There's
nobody
on
our
sign
up
sheet
applicant.
If
you
want
to
rebut
you
can,
if
there's
anything,
you
want
to
add.
C
And
if
not,
that's,
okay,
okay,
great
with
that
I'll
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing,
and
we
can
have
some
discussion
and
render
a
decision
I
want
to
start
by
saying
this
is
like
the
dream
scenario
of
somebody
like
getting
feedback
and
going
and
doing
the
research
and,
like
figuring
out
how
to
make
it
work,
and
my
heart
is
just
bursting
right
now.
So
thank
you.
F
Man
term,
yes,
I,
would
have
to
Echo
that
this
is
like
the
most
refreshing
ideal
situation
and
with
that
I
would
love
to
make
motion.
I
move
to
approve
drh23-00172.
D
C
You
with
that,
we
will
move
to
item
number
five
on
the
agenda
drh23-00181.
This
is
at
215
North,
10th,
Street.
Certificate
of
appropriate
is
to
restore
the
facade
and
renovate
a
local
landmark
building
on
property
and
a
central
business
with
downtown
design
review
overlay
Zone
staff.
Can
we
please
get
the
report.
E
Certainly,
yes,
this
is
the
Masonic
temple
it
is
going
to
be,
or
it
currently
is
in
a
proposed,
lower,
Main,
Street
commercial,
historic
district.
There
will
work
in
process
of
working
through
and
it's
classification
that
brings
it
to
this
agenda
item
is
that
it
is
a
local
landmark.
E
The
site
plan,
which
is
pretty
much
100
lot
coverage,
of
course,
main
commercial
and
the
first
floor
plan
improvements,
kind
of
giving
you
call
outs
for
where
the
storefronts
will
be
and
how
they'll
be
modified
and
the
second
floor
plan
same
kind
of
thing,
just
a
planned
version
of
the.
E
What
the
elevations
we'll
show
you
here
in
a
second-
and
this
is
the
second
floor
plan
at
the
it's
going
to
be
like
a
loft
apartment,
buildings
and
you'll,
see
balconies
to
the
right
and
to
the
left,
and
you
will
see
later
on
in
my
presentation
how
that
relates
to
proposed
punch,
opening
treatments,
there's
a
section
through
the
stair
that
exists,
and
then
the
transverse
section
showing
how
the
loss
will
be
within
that
second
floor.
E
At
this
point,
take
a
special
note
of
the
fact
that
you'll
see
the
height
of
the
Loft
to
the
right
is
approximately
the
same
as
the
height
of
the
parapet.
Therefore,
by
writ
of
perspective
lines
and
how
you
experience
this
from
the
street,
that's
not
going
to
be
visible
at
all.
There's
no
way
you
could
be
able
to
see
that
that
existing
elevation.
E
So
you
can
see
how
a
lot
of
the
material
you
see
on
the
storefronts
is
recent
infill
or
reasonably
recent
infill
and
their
goal
is
to
restore
the
storefronts
as
Faithfully
as
possible,
with
some
modifications
based
on
historical
pictorial,
evidence
and
a
historic
photo
will
be
shown
later
on
and,
as
you
can
see,
here's
the
proposed
they're
going
to
have
a
storefront
system
with
transom
Windows.
The
transom
are
only
slightly
different
than
the
historic
photograph
showed.
E
The
pattern
is
a
slight
modification,
but
staff
feels
that
it's
a
very
fateful
and
since
there
is
no
historic
fabric
remaining,
it's
a
very
faithful
interpretation
based
on
historic
documentation
and
definitely,
as
you
saw
and
we've
all
seen,
this
building,
it
is
definitely
an
improvement
to
the
existing
condition.
E
The
windows
are
going
to
be
removed
to
the
right
side
here,
where
the
Masonic
temple
has
been
and
was
originally
built,
was
originally
built
to
my
knowledge
to
serve
that
purpose.
The
lower
story
was
automobile
dealership
to
the
best
of
my
recollection
of
the
history
and
the
Masonic
temple
was
always
there,
so
those
punch
openings
are
going
to
be
removed
and
on
this
elevation,
they're
going
to
be
replaced
with
Windows.
E
E
These
are
the
other
elevations,
and
this
is
the
elevation
of
the
other
end
of
the
Masonic
temple,
where
the
well
they're
currently
break
down,
they
were
historically
break
down,
openings
will
be
removed
and
balconies
will
be
put
in
their
place
to
give
that
balcony
or
railing
will
be
put
into
place
to
give
the
balcony
access.
You
know
for
the
Lofts,
and
this
is
an
elevation
that
never
had
Windows.
E
Historically,
it
was
brick,
so
it
allows
for
some
flexibility
for
what
is
being
proposed
and
therefore,
staff
felt
that
this
is
appropriate.
The
opposite
side
is
the
alley
adjacent
to
the
Empire
Building.
If
I
have
my
landmarks
correctly
and
so
there's
little
to
no
visibility
there,
that
was
historically
windows,
but
given
its
location,
you
got
to
be
going
up
or
down
the
alley
to
really
experience
that
whoa
craziness
with
a
slide.
E
Sorry,
a
little
boo-boo
there
I,
don't
know
what
well
anyway,
there's
the
historic
photo.
There
was
supposed
to
be
some
a
little
bit
more
there,
but
something
happened
with
my
my
look
at
this
on
the
Fly
there
you
go.
E
So
these
are
the
perspectives
and
the
you
know
the
existing
image,
the
original
photo
showing
the
Packard
or
whichever
dealership
it
was,
and
a
comparison
of
another
project
that
the
firm
had
worked
on
at
Twin.
Falls
are
very
similar,
Masonic
temple,
so
they
have
experience
working
on
these
kinds
of
projects
for
sure
and.
A
E
Shows
site
photos
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
building
as
it
currently
stands
and
in
its
context
of
adjacent
buildings
and
is,
is
you'll,
see
the
design
guidelines
state
that
storefronts
can
be
recreated
if
they're
sufficient
physical
pictorial,
architectural
evidence,
in
this
case
physical
and
Architectural
weren't
there.
But
there
was
pictorial.
So
we
feel
that
they
have
used
that
as
a
basis
for
the
design,
and
there
have
been
a
few
modifications
that
differentiate
them,
as
I
mentioned
before
slightly
from
historic.
But
given
there's
no
Remnant,
we
felt
that
it
was.
E
This
was
an
okay
compromise
of
especially
as
how
the
transoms
look
is
perfectly
acceptable
to
make
a
minor
modification
and
the
portion
that
was
historically
has
to
Masonic
Lodge,
as
was
said,
never
had
those
operable
windows
in
the
openings.
E
We
feel
for
these
balconies
are
okay,
because
of
that
and
the
another
key
element
of
the
work
here
that's
being
proposed
is
masonry
cleaning
and
repairs,
and
the
applicant
spelled
out
very
clearly
how
they
will
follow
our
guidelines
and
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
which
our
guidelines
are
based
off
of
and
the
language
they
gave
is
sufficient
and
I've
added
conditions
to
really
beef
up
that
the
best
treatment
is
done,
especially
as
regards
to
cleaning
masonry
and
not
overdoing
it
gentle
cleaning
and
certain
parameters
that
need
to
be
met
in
that
aspect,
and
so
with
that,
we
feel
that
this
work
is
appropriate
and
staff
recommends
approval.
H
A
Now
I'm
sure,
commissioner
Malloy
so
yeah
you're
right
it's
and
it
has
it's
not
in
a
historic
district.
It's
in
a
design
review
overlay.
But
what
our
ordinance
says
is
that
local
landmarks
come
to
the
historic
preservation
commission
for
any
major
modifications
or
demolition
proposed.
So
Your
Role
is
essentially
as
on
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
is
to
approve
the
modifications
that
are
proposed
and
that
and
that's
part
of
our
process.
C
Thank
you,
Chad
other
questions,
no,
all
right
with
that
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant.
If
you
can
step
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address
please
and
then
you
have
20
minutes.
M
G
M
Yeah
we've
prepared
a
presentation
to
coincide
with
our
statement
here
today.
It's
a
bit
of
a
oh.
M
It
is
a
bit
of
a
reiteration
of
what
Richard
has
covered
here,
but
we'd
like
to
kind
of
put
it
in
our
own
words.
M
M
M
So
this
expansion
was
kind
of
quickly
preceded
the
original
building
and
kind
of
essentially
encapsulates
the
original
building
that
we
see
here
today
and
like
Richard
stated,
we've
got
commercial
space
on
the
ground
floor
and
the
Upper
Floor
was
used
for
Gathering
space
for
the
various
Masonic
organizations
that
have
occupied
this
building
over
the
years
and
on
the
ground
floor
we
also
had
a
car
dealership
off
of
Bannock
Street
towards
the
West
end
of
the
building.
M
M
The
Masonic
temple
is
also
as
Richard
stated,
as
the
33rd
Historic
Landmark
designated
landmark
of
the
city
of
Boise,
moving
into
the
site,
we're
here
at
the
corner
of
West
Bannock
and
North
10th
Street
and
moving
on
to
context.
We
have
the
Empire
Building
just
across
the
alley
to
the
South
and
then
pictured
at
the
top
left
and
then
on
the
top
right.
We
have
the
Formerly
Known
old,
CC
Anderson
building.
It
is
now
the
athlos
academy
and
recently
received
a
renovation
and
then
directly
across
the
street
from
the
Masonic
temple.
M
We
have
the
turtlot
building
and
kitty
corner
to
that.
The
Banner
Bank
high-rise
directly
north.
To
that
we
have
the
across
Bannock
Street
from
the
Empire
Building.
We
have
the
Hyatt
Place
as
well,
so
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
this
neighborhood
there's
several
significant
buildings
in
this
area,
not
all
of
them
considered
historic
landmarks,
but
several
that
are
contributing
to
this
part
of
town.
M
Here
we
have
the
10th
Street
elevation
of
the
Masonic
temple.
We
can
see
some
of
the
various
facades
that
have
been
added
on
over
the
years.
We
see
to
the
left,
there's
kind
of
a
stucco
covered
panels
that
cover
up
the
original,
clear
story,
windows
and
below
that
we
have
a
CMU
veneer.
That's
been
painted
kind
of
a
tan
colored
to
match
the
stucco
above
and
then
to
the
directly
to
the
right
of
that.
M
And
then
you
can
see
towards
the
right
there.
We
have
the
original
entry
to
the
old,
the
basement
for
car
repairs
and
maintenance,
and
that
is
the
back
entrance
to
the
commercial
spaces
on
the
ground
floor
and
also
the
egress
stair
that
serves
the
second
floor
and
that
is
covered
in
a
stucco
panel
and
a
painted
plywood
up
above
and
then
to
the
far
right
where
we
have
the
existing
Paint
and
Sip
tenant.
There
is
kind
of
an
ephes
detailing
outlining
the
existing
entrance
and
window.
M
Here's
just
a
couple
of
shots
of
kind
of
the
existing
condition
of
the
ground
floor,
which
is
really
has
experienced
the
most
transformation
over
time.
That's
kind
of
inconsistent
with
the
original
design.
M
You
can
see
it's
similar
in
shape
and
size
and
has
some
of
the
same
inconsistencies
at
the
ground
level.
Moving
jumping
forward.
This
is
the
building
after
renovation
you
can
see.
We
replaced
the
windows
with
aluminum-clad
wood
windows
to
kind
of
match
the
sight
lines
that
would
be
appropriate
to
its
historic
character.
M
This
building
won
an
AIA
honor
award
for
historic
preservation
and
adaptive
reuse,
and
we
also
worked
closely
with
the
State
Historical
Society
for
the
rehabilitation
tax
credits.
So
we
intend
to
use
that
experience
here.
M
Here's
just
another
elevation
of
that,
looking
at
it
across
Shoshone
Street
in
Twin
Falls.
We
intend
to
use
that
experience
to
kind
of
take
that
momentum
and
apply
it
to
the
Masonic
temple
here
in
Boise
and
with
that
we'll
kind
of
jump
back
to
kind
of
back
up
here
and
look
at
this
building
from
the
corner
of
10th
and
Bannock,
and
we
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
its
two
primary
facades
that
are
public
facing.
M
And
then
the
next
slide
here
are
is
the
proposed
renovation
of
the
Upper,
Floor
and
restoration
of
the
ground
floor
elements
to
attempt
to
put
it
back
to
its
original
historic
character
and
moving
into
the
floor
plans
is
to
kind
of
LeapFrog
on
what
Richard
was
saying.
We've
kind
of
got
existing
tenets
on
the
ground
floor.
M
M
On
the
second
floor,
as
Richard
had
noted,
it
was
previously
the
Gathering
space
for
the
various
Masonic
organizations
that
have
occupied
the
building
over
the
years,
they've
sold
the
building
and
moved
to
a
new
location,
and
so
this
building
is
kind
of
at
a
point
where
it's
entering
into
a
new
era
here
and
we're
proposing
on
the
second
floor
apartments
with
Lofts,
as
Richard
has
stated,
and
on
there's
approximately
10
apartment
units
with
patios,
facing
both
the
alley
to
the
South
and
Bannock
Street
to
the
north.
M
And
to
do
this
we
are
proposing
removing
some
of
the
block
or
all
of
the
blind,
brick
blind,
brick
Windows
off
of
Bannock
and
replacing
with
a
decorative
metal
railing
to
minimize
impact
to
the
existing
facade
and
making
it
replaceable
and
adaptable
for
future
use.
M
If
you
know
in
the
future,
you
know
another
100
years
down
the
road,
this
building
changes
use
with
that
said,
the
main
concept
driving
this
patio
is
the
design
challenge
of
trying
to
preserve
the
facade
and
the
historic
character
of
this
Historic
Landmark,
while
also
providing
natural
light
deep
into
these
spaces
and
code
required
ventilation
to
the
units.
So
with
that
said,
we've
proposed
the
most
minimal
or
minimally
impactive
solution
to
add
that
decorative
metal
railing
and
then
moving
into
this
next
slide.
M
We
have
the
just
the
plans
showing
The
Lofts
as
they
relate
to
the
first
floor
or
the
ground
level
of
the
apartments.
Moving
into
this
slide,
we
have
the
elevations
Richard
touched
on
this.
We
are
proposing
replacing
existing
windows
on
the
ground
floor,
adding
back
those
clear
story:
Windows
replacing
windows
on
the
second
floor
off
of
10th
Street
here
as
pictured
on
the
bottom
and
then
cleaning
up
and
doing
any
repair
to
the
masonry,
that's
necessary.
M
Some
of
this
is
exploratory
or
we're
currently,
assuming
that
the
masonry
behind
the
the
various
facades
that
March
around
the
ground
floor
are
still
intact
and
so
that
that
portion
will
be
exploratory,
but
we
intend
to
prepare
and
put
it
back
to
as
close
to
its
historic
character
as
possible.
M
Just
to
jump
back.
The
west
facing
facade
is
the
party
wall
that
faces
the
the
parking
lot
adjacent.
We
at
this
time
do
not
propose
any
modifications
to
that
facade
on
this
next
slide.
Here
we
see
the
South
facade.
This
is
the
alley
facing
the
Empire
Building,
we're
proposing
on
the
ground
floor,
replacing
windows
with
the
same
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows
and
then
on
the
Upper
Floor,
adding
in
those
removing
windows
and
adding
in
leaving
them
open
and
adding
in
the
decorative
metal
railing.
M
On
the
bottom
floor,
we
see
the
Bannock
Street
elevation,
the
same
ground,
floor
modifications
and
then
on
the
Upper
Floor
we're
proposing
replacing
the
blind
brick
windows
with
the
decorative
metal
railing,
and
then
in
this
slide
you
see
just
kind
of
our
basic
material
palette,
where
the
upper
photos
kind
of
indicate
the
elements
that
we
propose.
M
Keeping
intact
just
kind
of
typical
existing
sandstone
and
the
burgundy
brick
that
you
see
here
and
then
the
existing
ephes
that
frames
those
openings
around
the
Paint
and
Sip
Windows
the
door
and
windows
just
because
we're
not
totally
certain.
What's
behind
those
and
what's
still
intact
on
the
bottom,
the
bottom
photos
we
have
kind
of
proposed
fabric
awnings,
retractable
awnings.
M
We
did
in
our
application
note
they
were
white,
but
we
would
prefer
that
they're
black
to
match
the
window
frames
and
the
painted
decorative
metal
railing
and
to
the
just
to
the
right
of
the
awnings.
You
see
the
example
from
Twin
Falls
of
the
aluminum
clad
wood
windows
that
we're
proposing
to
install
here
at
this
Masonic
temple
and
to
the
right
of
that
is
just
an
example
of
the
patterning
of
that
decorative
metal.
M
Railing
next
slide
is
just
a
touch
base
on
or
dive
into,
the
windows
themselves,
we're
proposing
basis
of
design,
Pella
Reserve
Windows
on
this
project.
These
have
an
integral
divided
light.
That
kind
of
gives
that
shadow
and
reveal
that
you
would
see
on
a
historic
window.
M
These
also
have
Putty
Putty
profiles
to
match
kind
of
the
old
putty
set
windows
and
then
through
style,
construction
with
butt
joinery
to
the
right
of
that,
you
see
again
an
example
of
the
Twin
Falls
Elks
Lodge
on
the
upper
the
upper
photo
shows
the
upper
windows
that
we
would
intend
to
match.
You
know
minus
the
arched
window
above
and
then
below
the
same
Clear
story
and
and
storefront
here
are
a
couple
of
typical
details.
M
M
You
can
see
on
the
top
left
we're
proposing
that
light
well,
where
we
would
potentially
install
either
a
skylight
or
a
roof
opening
to
draw
a
light
down,
as
well
as
getting
light
through
the
through
opening
up
the
blind,
brick
Windows,
to
throw
light
deep
into
this
space
to
make
it
a
pleasant
place
to
live
these
spaces.
The
existing
floor-to-ceiling
height
is
about
20
feet,
and
then
these
units
will
be
with
from
the
inside
of
exterior
wall
to
the
inside
of
the
wall.
M
Adjacent
the
to
the
corridor
are
about
40
to
50
feet
deep,
so
we're
trying
to
get
light
as
deep
into
this
space
as
we
can
and
so
on.
The
bottom
left
you
kind
of
see
the
typical
patterning.
We
looked
around
Boise
to
see
particular
patterns
that
showed
up.
We
noticed
out
that
the
Veterans
Hospital
you'll
see
some
of
this
patterning
on
some
of
the
porches
and
balconies
that
they
have
out
there.
M
This
pattern
also
appears
on
some
of
the
attic
fence
that
you
would
see
just
below
the
cornices
of
some
buildings,
particularly
on
the
Empire
Building,
just
to
the
south
of
this,
and
then
to
the
right.
You
just
see
the
the
contrast
between
the
existing
blind
brick
window
and
then
just
image
of
what
that
would
look
like
removed
and
replaced
with
the
decorative
metal
railing.
M
And
to
kind
of
close
out
here
we'll
go
jump
back
to
the
10th
Street
elevation.
This
kind
of
just
shows
the
main
entry,
and
what
this
building
look
would
look
like
with
the
proposed
modifications
that
we
are
seeking
certificate
of
appropriateness
here
today
and
to
just
to
close
out
the
last
rendering
from
Bannock
Street
with
that.
That
is
all
I
have
thank.
N
Madam
chair
a
couple
questions
one
just
to
just
to
clarify:
you
are
not
proposing
any
modifications
to
the
parapet:
height,
no.
M
No
modifications
of
the
character
height
yep
that
would
remain,
as
is
the
whole.
The
only
modifications
to
the
facade
would
be
removing
and
replacing
clear
story
windows
at
the
the
base
and
then
removal
of
that
blind,
brick.
On
the
second
floor
and
replacement
of
Windows.
N
Okay
appreciate
it
and
then
to
the
to
the
window.
Windows,
you
had
mentioned
integral
divided
light,
yes
and
as
opposed
to
applied,
divided
light,
or
are
these
muttons
that
are
sandwiched
in
between
planes
of
glass?
Yes,.
M
The
mountains
would
sandwich
the
glass
they'd
have
a
thermal
spacer
between
them,
so
they
would
project
out.
They
would
project
out
a
little
from
the
glass
okay
yeah
to
give
a
little.
H
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
you.
Transoms
has
there
been
some
ex
exploration
to
see
if
the
original
transoms
are
still
underneath?
We
see
that
a
lot
in
downtowns
that
they
were
stuccoed
over,
but
underneath
they're
still
there.
M
We
don't
know
of
all
of
them,
I
believe
in
some
instances
they're
not,
but
we
yeah.
We
don't
know
for
certain
whether
or
not
any
of
those
are
all
still
intact,
but
we
do
I
mean
some
of
them.
We
know
just
from
these
existing
images.
We
have
that
they're
not
but
yeah.
We
to
what
extent
they
still
exist.
We
don't
know.
M
Think
there
is
the
possibility
we
could
run
into
issues
if
you
know
there's
only
one
or
two
and
then
trying
to
match
back.
That
would
be
the
one
thing
that
I've
saved
might
not
turn
out
as
well.
It'd
be
more
difficult
to
match
back,
but
I
think
there
is
certainly
the
possibility,
if
there's
a
substantial
number
of
these
still
intact.
We
could
explore
that.
Okay.
H
My
next
question
is
that
in
the
historic
photo
it
looks
like
the
original
windows
were
six
of
our
One
windows.
On
the
second
floor
and
you're,
posing
one
over
one
Windows.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
have
a
more
accurate
window
with
a
six
over
one.
M
There's
the
potential
for
that.
Yes,.
H
Okay
and
then
just
in
general
I
do
have
an
issue
with
opening
up
the
Masonic
Hall.
The
blind,
Windows
they've
always
have
been
that
way.
It's
not
like
the
Twin
Falls,
which
was
actually
designed
with
with
Windows,
and
it
really
creates
a
false
sense
of
History.
You
don't
read
it
as
much
of
a
masonic
temple
anymore
when
you're
opening
up
that
space,
and
it's
really
the
expression
of
the
building,
is
having
those
windows
closed.
H
This
actually
would
have
probably
been
a
great
music
venue
for
treefort
or
something
to
have
that
building
up
there
versus
opening
it
up
to
opening
up
those
spaces
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
really
don't
like
and
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
better
design
solution.
I'm
sure
you've
explored
this,
but
the
railings
for
the
the
balconies
they're
really
distracting
to
the
overall
design.
So
have
you
explored
other
options
that
are
not
so
busy.
H
Yeah
I
think
something
less
distracting
would
be.
It
just
seems
like.
H
Or
yeah
I
don't
even
have
a
vertical
pick.
It's
just
something
yeah
something
much
more
simple,
I,
don't
even
know
if
the
glass
would
be
appropriate
just
to
kind
of
so
you
see
through
yeah.
M
We
looked
at
glass,
it's
just
it's
difficult
to
find
an
aluminum,
clad
wood
window
that
can
be
applied
in
an
exterior
application,
so
that
was
the
one
of
the
one
of
the
driving
factors
towards
just
opening
up
the
the
blind,
brick.
F
Manager,
if
I
may
not
so
much
a
question
but
I
have
to
say,
I
have
been
having
anxiety
about
this
building
and
what
it's
going
to
become
and
I
am
so
at
ease.
F
Have
a
couple
of
things
here
there
that
are
just
we
can
talk
about
later,
but
wonderful
presentation-
and
this
is
beautiful.
Thank.
H
G
Chair
I,
really
like
what
you've
done
here
and
I
appreciate
you
putting
in
all
the
hard
work
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
maintain
the
facade
as
much
as
possible,
but
also
make
it
a
usable
space
that
will
work
in
downtown
yeah.
C
You
at
this
point,
do
we
have
the
a
representative
from
the
neighborhood
association
present
in
mind
to
testify
on
this
item.
C
C
Nobody
online?
Okay!
So
with
that
we
can
move
to
the
rebuttal.
If
you
have
anything
else
to
say
applicant
okay,
great,
thank
you
so
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
we'll
have
some
discussion
and
emotion.
Hopefully
anybody
wants
to
kick
us
off.
H
I'd
like
to
kick
us
off,
I'd
like
to
add
conditions
to
the
overall
project
other
than
Richard's.
The
conditions
is
already
included,
I'd
like
to
say
the
six
over
one
windows
that
were
originally
on
the
the
building
I'd
like
to
see
a
little
bit
less
distracting
railing,
something
more
simplified,
and
then
I
would
like
to
stipulate
that
if
the
original
transoms
are
underneath
that
they
be
retained
and
rehabilitated
by
the
standards
can.
C
H
Right
now,
let
me
see,
let
me
look
at
the
design
again.
F
Sure,
well,
we
look
for
that.
Can
I
also
provide
some
more
thoughts.
F
F
So
if
we
could
also
add
a
a
condition
requesting
some
historic
memorialization
to
the
site,
I
would
feel
much
better
about
that
and
also
I
think
Mr
Farwell
mentioned
the
preference
for
the
fabric,
retractable
awnings,
being
black
I.
Do
think
that
that's
a
better
design,
Choice
and
I
would
be
happy
with
with
that
I
don't
know
if
that
needs
to
be
added
as
a
condition,
but.
C
F
Something
similar
to
you
know
a
little
info
infographic.
If
you
will
out
front
that
kind
of
states,
some
history
about
brief
history,
about
what
the
building
is,
the
fact
that
it
has
Landmark
status
and
and
what
was
there,
that
has
now
been
an
adoptive
reuse
into
housing.
H
Interpretive
signage,
yeah
I
think
maybe
instead
of
this
like
crosshatch
design
that
you're
proposing
maybe
Emily
emulating
the
the
diamond
shaped
in
there
bringing
that
straight
down
into
the
design.
You
think
that
could
be
done.
O
O
John
King
with
pivot
North
architecture
as
well:
306
North
Mobley.
Yes,
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
office
about
what
is
appropriate.
What
should
it
look
like?
We
start
off
very
simple,
simple
picket,
try
to
make
it
and
then
we
said,
let's
look
around
town
and
what
is
of
the
era,
and
what
do
we
start
to
see
so
like?
O
Like
Drew
mentioned,
you
know,
looking
at
you
know
the
VA
looking
at
the
Empire
Building
looking
and
then
we
started
to
change
our
mind
and
say:
maybe
this
is
more
appropriate,
so
we're
absolutely
open
to
restarting
that
and
working
with
staff
and
because
we
wanted
to,
we
want
it
to
look
right
as
well.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
black
and
those
openings
are
fairly
dark.
O
You
know,
so
you
really
won't
get
much
light
through
it,
so
it
but
yeah
we're
more
than
happy
to
look
at
that
again,
because
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
right
as
well.
N
And
Madam
chair
to
the
to
the
applicant's
point
there
there
are,
you
know,
kind
of
Maximum
sizes
of
you
know
the
pickets
have
to
be
a
certain
closeness
together,
right
or
density,
so
that
for
for
safety
purposes
as
well.
So
you
know
it's
kind
of
finding
that
balance
between
it's
going
to
have
a
certain
level
of
busyness
just
because
it
needs
to
function
as
a
safety
device,
but
but
not
overly
celebrating
itself
and
I'm
yeah
working
with
staff
to
find
that
I
think
is
absolutely.
C
H
Okay,
I
move
to
approve
drh
23-20181,
with
staffed
recommendations
and
conditions
of
approval,
as
well
with
the
following
conditions
of
approval
that
on
the
Second
Story,
they
use
six
over
one
Windows,
the
Pella
Reserve
you're
using
correct
yeah,
so
same
style
windows
with
six
over
one,
instead
of
one
over
one,
that
the
awnings
be
black,
that
the
metal
railings
for
the
balcony
have
a
more
simplified
design
as
like.
Maybe
a
diamond
you'll
work
with
staff
to
on
that
stipulation,
and
then.
H
Yeah
as
well
as
if
the
original
transoms
over
the
storefronts
are
intact,
that
they
be
rehabilitated
and
restored
and
then
finally
interpretive
sign
in
signage
that
will
be
developed
by
an
SOI
qualified
historian
and
use
a
professional
graphic
designer
to
discuss
the
history
of
the
Masonic
temple.
C
All
right
clerk,
please
call
roll.
D
C
You
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
six
drh23-00224.
This
is
at
1602
North
13th
Street
certificate
appropriateness
to
enclose
an
existing
patio
and
construct
a
new
addition
on
an
existing
commercial
building
in
a
neighborhood
commercial
with
historic
design,
review
overlay,
Zone
staff.
Can
we
please
get
the
report.
E
This
structure
is
located
in
Hyde
Park.
It
is
a
contributing
structure
to
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
is
the
site
location
to
give
you
a
sense
of
its
location
and
the
site
plan.
E
E
It's
also
being
proposed
in
this
application.
Here
are
the
elevations
of
of
what's
being
proposed.
It's
going
to
have
accordion
style
windows
that,
when
fully
open,
will
allow
for
a
visual
see-through
where
you
can
still
experience
the
visual
effect
of
the
historic
garage
doors
that
are
going
to
remain
and
the
garage
door
openings.
E
And
as
I
say,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
enclose
the
existing
opening
patio
space
and
control
this
new
addition,
as
well
as
the
walk-in
caller
at
the
very
rear.
E
The
enclosed
patio
space,
accordion
doors
will
have
it
open
to
outside
air,
most
of
the
time
I
should
say,
or
quite
often,
and
there
is
already
fully
open
seating
area
in
the
same
location.
So
it's
not
like
an
increase
or
decrease
of
seating.
It's
just
a
way
of
enclosing
it
to
make
it
a
more
of
a
three
season
opportunity
at
least
design
guidelines
state
that
once
you
construct
new
additions,
so
that
there's
at
least
possible
loss
to
Historic,
Fabric
and
so
the
character
you're,
defining
features
are
not
damaged,
destroyed
or
obscured.
E
This
proposed
Edition
to
the
rear
for
the
cooler
is
along
the
currently
blank
wall
and
has
no
real
visual
impact
at
all
is
only
seen
from
an
alley.
The
enclosed
seating
area
will
have
minimal
impact
to
a
secondary
elevation
and
easiest
and
garage
door.
E
Openings
as
I
described
before
on
the
sidewall
will
be
retained
and
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
states
that
additions
need
to
be
compatible
with
a
historic
building
and
have
minimal
impact
too
sorry,
the
character,
defining
features
and
are
reversible,
and
in
this
case,
if
this
Edition
were
removed,
it
would
be
fully
reversible
and
the
garage
doors
and
door
openings
will
will
still
be
there.
H
H
I
have
concerns
that,
but
the
approval
of
this
application
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
read
the
building
as
a
historic
gas
station.
As
much
did
you
take
that
into
consideration.
E
Yes,
I
did
to
a
degree
and
our
our
filling
was
that
the
fact
that
most
of
the
time
of
the
public,
this
is
a
public
building
and
there's
a
public
opportunity
to
come
in
and
you
once
you're
in
for
sure.
You
will
see
that
yeah,
okay,
there's
there's
the
gas
station
doors.
This
wasn't
stored
like
a
gas
station.
So
in
one
way
it
is
accomplished
by
that
fact.
This
is
not
like
a
private
residence
where
something
is
being
sealed
up
and
there's
no
way
to
ever
see
those
garage
doors
again
they're
there.
E
The
openings
will
be
there
and
they'll
be
part
of
the
experience
at
least
internally
at
all
times
of
the
year
and
in
the
seasons
when
those
accordion
doors
are
or
Windows
or
openings.
However,
we
wish
to
call
them
are
open,
then
it'll
be
a
pass-through
visually
into
open
air
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
sidewalk
just
walking
down
the
street.
You
look
through
the
open,
accordion
Windows
boom
behind
you
through
the
seating.
You
will
see.
You'll
still
be
able
to
see
that
there
are
more
garage
doors
here.
E
So
it's
everybody
most
of
the
year
can
see
that
and
for
the
entire
year,
if
you're
a
patron,
certainly
it's
there
they're.
Still
there
they're,
not
removing
those
historical
elements
and
I
I
do
take
your
point
to
it
is
somewhat
covering
it
up,
but
we
felt
that
the
way
that
the
open,
the
usual
openness
of
the
space,
does
allow
the
transparency
to
to
show
those
garage
doors
through.
G
E
E
Well
we're
not
sure
quite
yet,
if
it
could
be
conditioned
that
there
be
a
caveat
that
those
always
remain
at
least
the
openings
I'm,
not
sure
that
those
garage
doors
they
look
like
to
me.
They
weren't,
of
course,
the
original
garage
doors,
but
that
at
least
the
openings
be
retained
and
there'll
be
garage
doors
kept
there
in
the
and
that
kit
can
potentially
be
conditioned
that
that
those
not
be
filled
in.
E
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
fair
point.
That's
usually
not
not
the
case,
so
I'll.
F
F
E
I
I
suppose
it
could
have
an
impact
on
that
status.
Of
our
opinion
was
that
since
those
interior,
the
garage
doors
and
openings
would
be
retained
and
what
they
were
proposing.
As
we
see
from
these
drawings,
those
openings
are
still
there.
It's
part
of
the
function
and
the
flow
of
the
space
to
connect
the
main
internal
dining
space
to
This
indoor
outdoor
space.
That
is
basically
what
they're
proposing
as
an
indoor
outdoor
space.
E
You
know
when
open
it's
outdoors,
almost
and
as
only
indoors
when
it's
closed,
so
I
think
that
enough
of
the
material
is
going
to
be
retained
as
per
proposed
and
the
reversibility
of
this
modification,
if
they
remove
this
they'll
be
just
minimal.
If,
if
any
scarring
from
where
these
only
two
points
of
intersection
are
happening
with
the
historic
building,
so
it
as
the
secretary
standard
said,
the
reversibility
is
key.
E
This
has
reversible
quality
and,
if
reverted
back
to
its
previous
situation,
it
would
still
read
just
like
it
did
before.
It
says
staff
kind
of
feels
that
it
doesn't
probably
doesn't
impact
the
status
of
this
particular
structure.
C
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Ian
shearing
I'm
with
Lombard
Conrad
Architects
472,
West,
Washington,
Street
Boise.
Thank
you.
We
have
I
think
it's
important
that
we
give
a
little
bit
of
history
as
to
how
we
got
to
this
point
tonight.
K
This
historical
review
is
is
just
a
component
of
a
of
a
broader
application,
which
is
a
variance
application
and
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
a
variance
that
addresses
the
encroachment
into
a
setback
onto
Eastman,
Street
and
Richard.
Could
you
bring
up
our
site
plan
if
that's
possible,
so
this
would
be
an
administrative
review
as
opposed
to
a
full-blown
variance
application
we'll
get
into
why
it's
going
to
be
administrative
as
opposed
to
full
blown.
But
essentially
we
looked
at
this
building
from
a
variant
standpoint.
K
You
have
to
approve
a
hardship
all
right
and
we
felt
there
were
two
different
hardships
with
this.
What's
driving
it
really
is
a
financial
hardship
and
they'll.
Let
the
owner
address
that
and
then
the
other
hardship
was
well.
If
we're
going
to
add
on
to
this
potential
onto
this
building,
potentially
what
were
our
options?
We
had
two
options
we
could
add
on
to
the
13th
Street
side
or
we
could
add
on
to
the
Eastman
side.
K
K
We
reached
out
to
the
fire
department
who
currently
tracks
those
and
their
tracking
or
their
current
history,
that
they
have.
These
tanks
predate
that,
so
they
don't
have
a
record
of
it.
But
what
we
do
know
from
the
owner
is
that
there
are
underground
tanks
that
are
on
the
13th
Street
side,
and
while
we
could
do
an
addition
on
the
13th
Street
side,
which
amounted
to
about
650
square
feet,
the
presence
of
those
tanks
obviously
created
some
problems
for
us
and
in
chatting
with
Mike
Rosano
at
the
fire
department.
K
We
determined
that,
while
they
didn't
have
record
of
that,
but
the
owner
did
have
a
record
of
it.
We
would
probably
not
want
to
go
there.
So
that
was
the
the
construction
hardship
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
Then
we
analyzed
well.
How
much
could
we
add
on
if
we
added
on
to
the
south
side
of
the
street
or
South
side
of
the
building,
which
is
on
Eastman
Street
and
that
amounted
to
about
300
square
feet
at
administrative
variance?
Application
allows
you
to
encroach
into
a
10-foot
setback,
which
is
what
we
have
here.
K
Anything
beyond
a
35
encroachment
requires
a
full-blown
variance
application.
A
couple
reasons
we
didn't
want
to
go
there,
because,
due
to
the
nature
and
location,
we
just
didn't
feel
that
it
was
appropriate.
Secondly,
we
didn't
want
to
encroach
all
the
way
up
to
the
sidewalk.
We
just
felt
it
was
overbearing
from
a
pedestrian
standpoint.
K
It
actually
kind
of
played
into
our
hands
a
little
bit
as
well,
because
we
feel
like
the
historic
elevation
of
this
building
is
really
on
the
corner
of
13th
and
Eastman.
It's
a
it's
a
hub,
it's
a
it's
where
a
bunch
of
pedestrian
vehicle
intersection
happens.
It
created
potentially
Vision
triangle
issues
and
we
felt
that
the
addition
onto
the
Eastman
Street
side
was
more
appropriate.
So
that's
that's
where
we
are
applying
for
here.
K
If
we
were
conforming
on
13th
Street
side,
so
we
felt
that
we
weren't
really
asking
for
anything
more
than
what
we
wanted
to
do,
but
given
the
hardship
from
a
constructability
standpoint
and
those
tanks
in
the
ground,
it
made
sense
that
that
that's
the
appropriate
place
to
do
it
and
we're
really
getting
the
same
square
footage
as
as
we
would
be
eligible
for
anyway.
K
So
on
that
note,
we
came
up
with
this
plan,
which
shows
the
an
encrosion
of
three
foot
six
into
that
10
foot
setback
off
of
Eastman
Street,
the
the
point
about
the
the
overhead
doors
and
whether
that
can
be
conditioned.
K
We
actually
don't
have
a
problem
if
you
did
want
to
condition
that,
because
we
plan
on
keeping
those
doors
that
allows
versatility
of
the
space,
we
had
the
option
to
open
that
up
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
But
when
we
have
functions
of
private
events,
we
have
the
ability
to
close
it
off
too.
So
that
works
in
our
favor
as
well
from
a
historical
standpoint,
as
Mr
Jarvis
pointed
out,
we
do
have
the
ability
to
remove
this
at
any
time.
Our
current
design
does
not
physically
attach
it
to
the
building.
K
We
don't
want
to
get
into
structural
or
seismic
issues,
with
attaching
a
new
structure
to
an
existing
structure.
So
the
thought
is
that
we
would
hold
that
off.
The
building
I
mean
visually.
It
will
look
like
it's
attached,
but
from
a
structural
standpoint
it
will
not
be
attached
and
then
yeah
on
13th
Street.
It
was
important
for
us
to
kind
of
keep
that
that
corner
elevation
and
Patio
sort
of
the
way
it
is
now
I
mean
I've,
been
here
for
20
years.
Historically,
it's
always
looked
like
that.
K
We
do
feel
like
it's
the
most
prominent
facade,
and
so
that's
another
reason
why
we
opted
to
to
go
on
to
the
Eastman
side.
The
cooler
on
the
back
is
within
building
setbacks,
we're
not
asking
for
anything
there,
and
it
is
just
to
supplement
the
the
current,
the
current
cooler
or
freezer
space
that
is
in
the
building.
Initially,
we
also
looked
at
potentially
doing
something
inside
and
opening
that
up,
but
it
from
a
from
a
constraint
standpoint
from
a
financial
standpoint.
K
It
makes
sense
to
just
add
this
portion
on
as
well.
The
owner
is
here
can
talk
to
you
about
the
financial
constraints
or
the
financial
hardships
that
come
with
this
building.
You
can
see
inside
it's
pretty
chopped
up.
It
really
doesn't
allow
for
much
seating
and
again
just
to
clarify.
We
are
not
adding
any
seating
to
this
facility.
K
The
the
current
bathroom
configuration
also
limits
us
to
the
current
use
and
current
occupant
load
and
we've
had
a
couple
of
comments
from
people
from
posting,
the
sign
at
the
the
location
and
those
really
have
to
do
with
some
planters
that
were
along
the
Eastman
Street
facade
that
were
outside
of
the
railing.
The
thought
was
that
that
was
encroaching,
Into,
The
Pedestrian
width
and
was
sort
of
a
hindrance
with
those
of
subsequently
been
removed.
K
So
that's
not
an
issue
anymore,
and
the
other
question
that
came
up
was
obviously
additional
bike
parking
right,
everybody
bikes
to
this
place,
and
then,
where
did
we
put
it?
We
do
have
some
options.
We
have
our
preferred
options
which
would
be
on
the
east
side
on
the
Alley
side
and
but
we
have
had
a
request
potentially
to
put
it
on
the
northeast
corner,
but
that
would
require
people
bringing
bicycles
into
the
patio
area
from
a
hazard
standpoint.
We
don't
really
like
that,
but
obviously
we're
open
to
additional
bike
parking.
Obviously
it's
needed.
K
Obviously
we
don't
want
people
locking
bikes
to
the
railings
like
they
currently
do
everywhere
in
Hyde
Park
we're
also
so
there
I
believe
there's
a
bike
lock
facility
or
a
chain
up
area
that
is
within
the
public
right-of-way
on
13th
Street.
We
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
adding
something,
but
the
city
would
have
to
be
amenable
to
that.
K
That's
all
I
have
so.
If
there
are
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
feel
them.
H
I
have
a
couple
of
questions:
the
underground
tank
issue.
Have
you
looked
at
like
contacting
the
state
like
ID
or
DEQ,
to
take
out
those
tanks
and
use
like
brownsfield
funds,
or
anything
like
that?.
K
We
have
not
now
yeah
in
chatting
with
the
fire
department,
I
think
their
recommendation
as
well.
We
do
know
the
tanks
have
been
filled
with
sand,
so
even
if
they're
corroding
they're
not
going
to
collapse,
which
is
kind
of
important,
but
no,
we
haven't
reached
out
to
DEQ
and
in
discussions
with
the
fire
department,
I
think
they
were
amenable
to
just
let
sleeping
dogs
lie
dude.
D
P
Black
and
I
live
on
2800
West,
Hill,
Road
I
was
born
and
raised
here
in
Boise
Idaho
I
am
the
owner
of
Lost
Grove
Brewing
I
started
this
business
about
six
years
ago,
and
I
was
extremely
excited
to
have
the
opportunity
to
take
on
this
space
in
this
location.
This
is
actually
my
first
job
out
of
College
when
I
moved
back
to
Boise
was
at
Lucky
13
in
this
location.
So
it
has
been
a
dream
of
mine.
P
I
grew
up
in
the
north
end
and
have
you
know,
visited
this
space
and
have
had
amazing
times
in
the
North
End
my
entire
life,
and
so
you
know
I'm
really
excited
about
this
project,
and
you
know
one
thing
that
this
space
has
always
struggled
with
has
been
a
vibrant
space
throughout
the
winter
time
being
able
to
add
this
capacity
for
seating
really
allows
us
as
a
business
to
continue
to
employ
more
people
and
to
provide
just
a
year-round
establishment,
I'm
sure
you've
all
been
by
this
location
in
the
past
and
once
it
becomes
winter.
P
You
know
it's,
it's
pretty
dormant
and
I,
don't
think
it
adds
a
lot
of.
It
doesn't
add
a
lot
of
highlights
to
the
North
End
Neighborhood
there
to
Hyde
Park
by
us
being
able
to
add
this
it'll
give
us
another
50
seats
which
will
put
us
to
about
100
seat
capacity.
P
P
Lost
Grove
is
the
only
and
first
B
Corp
Brewery
in
the
state
of
Idaho.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
the
B,
Corp
I
definitely
run
checking
them
out,
but
the
tagline
for
B
Corp
is
a
business
used
as
a
source
for
good.
So
we
offer
full-time
benefits
to
any
employees
that
get
over
30
hours
working
with
us
and
we
pay
full
health
care
with
for
that,
I
believe
we
are
definitely
one
of
very
few
restaurants
in
this
area
that
do
that
and
provide
that.
P
So
this
will
give
us
an
opportunity
to
continue
to
employ
people
and
continue
to
hopefully
be
a
thriving,
successful
restaurant
within
this
area.
So
I
really
hope
that
you
take
these
into
consideration
and
then,
as
far
as
also
on
the
historic
piece
of
the
building,
I,
definitely
believe
the
front
of
this
building
is
really
what
shows
that
it
was
a
gas
station.
We
fully
intend
to
continue
to
use
those
roll-up
doors
in
the
back
I
think
it
just
adds
character
to
it
in
our
current
location.
P
You
know
we
did
some
restoration
within
that
building
as
well.
Our
our
original
location
is
down
in
the
lust
District
which
is
going
through.
You
know
urban
renewal
and
development
within
that
space,
and
we
I
think
we
really
brought
that
back
to
kind
of
its
original
state.
It
was
a
the
house
of
Wheels
and
we
actually
removed
some
of
the
front
windows
that
were
in
that
building.
We
uncovered
them
and
we
repurposed
them
to
go
into
our
interior
space
and
we
kind
of
restored
the
facade
of
that
building.
P
Yes,
we
put
paint
up
and
it
wasn't
necessarily
a
restoration
of
color
texture
from
what
it
was
in
the
past,
but
it
definitely
was
a
restoration
of
the
building
itself,
and
so
we
really
like
to
be
able
to
utilize
these
buildings
and
keep
the
uniqueness
of
what
they
are.
So
I
hope
that
you
allow
us
to
continue
to
do
this.
Any
questions.
K
H
C
L
Sandra
Herman
1404,
North,
7th,
Street,
Madam,
chair
and
committee
members.
The
owners
and
managers
of
this
project
have
been
contacted
multiple
times
by
members
of
the
Nina
board
and
Nina
HPC,
and
they
have
been
extremely
cooperative
and
receptive
to
our
concerns
and
inquiries
which
in
this,
which
is
a
sign
of
Good
Neighbor,
a
good
neighbor
and
much
much
appreciated
a
vibrant,
Hyde
Park
is
vital
to
the
neighborhood
and
we
want
to
support
businesses
while
preserving
the
livability
and
safety
in
the
neighborhood.
L
This
is
a
challenging
place.
This
building
is
a
challenging
place
to
to
run
a
business,
and
we
love
that
they're
trying
to
make
it
year
round.
We
have
three
comments
regarding
this
project:
one.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
preserve
sight
lines
on
the
Alley
between
12th
and
13th,
with
the
parking
lot
just
directly
north
of
of
this
building.
L
The
Alley
There
is
almost
a
secondary
Street
in
this
area,
and
we
have
tons
of
pedestrian
and
bike
traffic
along
these
men
that
we're
concerned
about
two.
We
would
love
to
see
the
applicant
come
with
some
extra
bike
parking
and
I'm,
not
going
to
say
much
more
about
that,
because
he's
already
talked
about
that
and
three,
the
sidewalk
along
Eastman
is
always
crowded,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
any
plantings,
shade,
structure
or
shade
trees
are
permanently
on
the
inside
of
the
of
of
the
property
line.
L
Finally,
even
in
a
commercial
case,
we
would
like
to
see
down
shielded
lighting
and
permeable
Paving,
and
we
would
like
to
remind
all
applicants
that
any
changes
to
materials
stated
in
the
agreed
upon
application
need
to
be
approved
by
the
city
and
not
doing
so
could
result
in
remediation
at
at
the
contractor
or
owner's
expense.
So.
C
Q
I'm
Steve
Fleming
I
live
at
1709
North
10th
Street,
which
is
just
north
of
Eastman
I,
was
fortunate
to
buy
that
contributing
property
it'll
be
10
years.
This
spring
and
I
live
there.
I
I
actually
often
walk
along
the
north
side
of
Eastman
to
Hyde
Park
and
actually
was
a
pleasure
to
see
the
the
new
owners
have
many
very
happy.
Customers
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
success
and
I.
Q
Q
So
let
me
put
on
my
glasses,
I
I,
wanted
to
for
the
record
call
out
one
issue:
that's
not
really
historic
but
important
to
the
neighborhood,
which
is
limited
parking
in
Hyde
Park,
so
as
part
of
that
the
13th
Street
Pub
and
Grill,
and
also
Perillo
both
actually
within
the
past
year.
13Th
Street
added
a
sizable
back
patio
and
Perla
has
one
as
well
I'm,
not
sure
when
it
was
added.
Q
So
those
other
properties
I,
think
the
situation
is
less
historic
consideration,
but
basically
there'll
be
some
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
which
already
has
some
parking
issues
with
the
year-round
versus
seasonal
flow
of
customers.
So
I
want
to
just
call
that
out
for
the
record.
Q
It's
not
immediate
concern
of
mine,
but
I
think
it's
something
where
there's
also
other
commercial
properties
impacted
by
parking
issues.
There's
a
nearby
Church,
also
nearby
school
and
the
schools
in
a
historic
building
that
has
had
challenges
with
respect
to
parking,
so
I
guess
I,
better
hurry.
The
thing
I
really
wanted
to
call
out
myself
is
that
the
tree
history
of
the
property
I'm
glad
other
people
noted
the
gas
station
historical
context.
Q
Q
There
were
some
trees,
then
those
trees
were
removed
and
some
trees
were
in
planters
on
the
sidewalk
right
of
way
and
then
that's
been
fixed.
But
what
I
want
to
do
is
give
this
handout,
which
shows,
if
you
continue
on
Eastman
West
one
more
block.
What
you
see
are
you
know
more
normal
trees
and
obviously
the
configuration
is.
Q
C
F
Adventure
can
I
can
I
confirm
that
it
was
a
request
for
two
trees
planted
in
two
by
four
configuration
on
the
south
side.
Is
that
is
that
correct.
Q
On
Eastman,
basically
on
Eastman
right
now,
you
can
see
what
you,
what
long
ago
was
two
big
trees.
It's
now
just
nothing.
Okay,.
R
K
C
You
Mr
Fleming
all
right
anybody
else
present
and
wishing
to
testify.
Please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address.
B
Hello,
I'm
David,
Martin
I'm,
the
previous
owner
of
the
restaurant
and
landlord.
Now
the
tree
issue.
Well,
the
trees
took
up
the
sidewalk
and
made
me
very
scary.
We
had
people
falling
over
crash
and
I
complained
to
the
80
County
because
they
owned
the
sidewalks
and
they
came
in.
They
tore
them
out
and,
of
course,
the
trees
had
to
go
too
because
they
were.
A
B
Know
just
getting
too
big
for
the
area,
so
that's
that's
the
tree
issue
and
so
I
put
Planters
the
trees
because
you
got
to
have
shade.
It
puts
a
patio
without
shade
I'm,
sorry,
but
it
gets
really
hot
out
there,
especially
in
the
middle
of
summer.
So
as
far
as
the
building
my
mom
bought
it
in
1978.
it
was
a
Sun
Ray,
Dairy,
okay,
so
the
front
part
of
it
was
Dairy
and
a
gas
station.
They
sold
beer
and
milk
and
eggs,
cheese
and
gas
and
cigarettes,
and
they
had
a
little
drive-through.
B
You
know
and
then
so,
when
we
bought
it,
we
decided
to
turn
it
into
something.
So
we
turned
it
into
lucky:
13.
an
ice
cream
shop,
okay,
but
it
doesn't
sell
very
good
in
the
winter
okay.
So
we
you
know
we
put
a
pizza
okay
and
then
we
had
to
fight
to
get
beer
and
wine
and
all
that.
But
so
over
the
years
it's
slowly
gotten
better
and
better
the
concrete's
gone.
B
The
trees
are
gone,
but
they're
working
on
it
they're
trying
to
get
it
back
up
to
up
to
speed,
as
I
did
I
had
to
replace
all
the
concrete
around
the
building
did
a
lot
of
work
over
the
years
trying
to
bring
it
up.
So
that's
an
old
building,
I'm,
not
sure
it's
historical,
okay,
the
gas,
the
gas
pumps
we
did
fill
the
sand.
B
I
watched
my
brother
out
there
for
a
week
straight
truckload
after
truckload
of
sand
filling
up
those
tanks
underneath
okay,
you
had
two
options
back
then
the
the
department,
the
fire
department
said
you
could
put
in
water
or
you
could
put
in
sand.
Okay.
Well,
water
is
just
going
to
rust
them
out,
they're
going
to
cave
in
and
see
you're
going
to
have
a
big
issue,
so
he
put
in
sand
or
we
put
in
sand.
They
have
been
tested
by
the
DEQ.
There
is
no
contamination
under
that
property.
B
C
B
C
All
right,
thank
you.
Anybody
else
wishing
to
testify
on
this
project
online,
no
okay
with
that,
then
we'll
have
rebuttal
from
the
applicant
or
the
owner.
Whoever
would
like
to
take
your
remaining
time.
P
To
touch
on
the
tree
aspect,
I
also
love
trees,
as
well.
I
think
everybody
does,
but
we
did
build.
P
I
had
two
custom
built
four
by
four
three
feet:
tall
steel
planter
boxes
that
are
on
our
property,
that
we
have
planted
two
sizable
trees,
they'll
grow
to
about
15
feet
tall
with
a
15
foot
wide
berth
on
them,
and
so
we
do
have
two
trees
planted
on
that
South
Side
that
are
on
our
side
of
a
property
so
that
it
won't
encroach
on
any
sidewalk
or
anything
along
those
lines.
And
so
we're
excited
to
see
those
grow.
Fantastic.
P
C
Not
good,
okay,
perfect!
Thank
you
any
questions
before
we
close
it,
no
okay!
So
with
that,
we'll
close
it
to
the
public
portion
and
I'd
love
to
hear
some
discussion
or
yeah.
Let's
start
with
discussions.
H
I
guess
I'm
concerned
about
how
you're
going
to
be
be
able
to
read
the
building
as
a
gas
station
in
the
future
and
I'm
concerned
about
commissioner
otters
mention
of
if
we
make
it
a
permanent
interior
space.
H
What
that
means
for
the
garage
doors
in
the
future,
and
that
might
not
be
you
know
when
you
guys
are
owners,
we're
thinking
long
long
term,
so
yeah
I'm
concerned
about
how
you
read
the
building
as
a
gas
station
and
the
fate
of
the
garage
door
is
that
could
if
they
were
filled
in
or
they've,
gotten,
rid
of
or
enlarged
or
anything
could
affect
the
contributing
status
of
their
property.
G
Yeah
I
am
concerned
about
the
garage
doors
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
Code
I
was
like
trying
to
look
it
up
quickly
online.
If
there
was
a
code
option
for
making
it
not
an
interior
structure,
maybe
somebody
else
who
spends
more
time
in
the
actual,
like
zoning
code
knows
because
I
don't
want
to
go
down
a
slippery
slope
of
trying
to
regulate
what's
interior
to
businesses.
That's
not
our
job.
We
do
facades.
We
do
exteriors
and
trying
to
regulate
that
the
garage
doors
are
there.
A
Foreign
chair,
commissioner,
otter
I'm,
not
sure
how
helpful
this
will
be,
and
maybe
commissioner
Parks
could
could
weigh
in
in
his
experience
as
an
architect
but
I
think
if
it
wasn't
conditioned
space,
we
wouldn't
consider
it.
Interior
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
it's
referenced
in
the
state
enabling
code
that
the
commission
cannot
consider
interior
Arrangements
that
specific
language
is
in
state
code.
So
if
this
is
interior,
it
is
off
limits
to
your
conditions
and
requirements.
A
N
N
It
is
still
the
primary
facade
is
still
visible
through
the
you
know
whether
it's
through
the
screen
or
through
the
accordion
blast
partition
whatever
that
might
be
legally
speaking,
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure,
and
we
didn't
ask
the
applicant
if,
if
or
how
they
intend
to
condition
the
space,
but
perhaps
that's
a
worthwhile
question
to
ask.
D
C
K
So
to
answer
your
question:
Mr
Parks,
we
initially
started
this
out
as
a
a
three-season
enclosure
where
he
could
be
supplemented
through.
You
know
like
outdoor
gas,
patio
heaters
and
things
like
that.
Subsequently,
subsequently,
we
have
kind
of
thought
about
making
it
a
year-round
enclosure.
So
the
questions
are
pertinent
and
obviously
conversation
needs
to
ensue
right.
So
I
I
don't
want
to
hamstring
us
and
say
we're
not
going
to
do
it
because
that's
still
a
possibility.
K
As
a
caveat
to
that,
I
think
maybe
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
say
look
if
we're
going
to
fully
enclose
this
and
condition
the
space.
These
are
the
conditions
associated
with
that.
If
we're
going
to
have
it
as
a
three
three
season
enclosure
those
conditions
fall
away,
and
then
that
allows
us
it
gives
us
a
framework
in
which
to
make
that
decision.
N
Because
I
think
I
think
for
the
commission
maybe
be
going,
is
if
it
is
a
fully
enclosed,
Four
Season,
condition
space.
We
lose
control
over
the
long-term
historic
concept
that
this
was
a
gas
station
and
and
we
have
no
control
over
whether
a
future
owner
decides
to
completely
rearrange
the.
What
is
now
the
interior
of
the
building.
K
That
fair
and
I
get
that
and
I
I.
Don't
know
enough
about
your
process
to
really
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
it.
But,
like
we
said
we
would
be
more
than
happy
to
have
that
as
a
condition
of
approval
and
that
would
lapse
upon
termination
of
the
lease
or
the
selling
of
the
building
to
a
different
person
and
I.
Don't
know
legally
how
that
works.
But.
C
I
mean
legally,
we
can't
have,
we
don't
have
any
control
over
the
interior
and
that's
a
state.
That's
that's
a
state
statute,
that's
not
at
the
the
city
level.
So
we
can't.
We
can't
do
anything
about
that.
The
state
says
historic
preservation.
You
don't
touch
the
inside.
So
if
we
make
this
Four
Season
and
closure
that
becomes
inside
okay,.
C
G
N
It
does
it
doesn't
change
the
visible
design,
except
that
it
might
impact
their
functionality
or
usability
of
it
and
hoping
to
use
it
all
year
round
or
if
they
do
use
it
all
year
round.
You
know
in
that
fourth
season:
how
do
you
heat
and
cool
the
space
or
or
I
guess
heating?
The
space
for.
N
D
C
K
K
Like
well
so
I
think
what
really
drives
that
is
not
so
much
whether
it's
heated
or
cooled,
but
the
air
exchanges,
the
required
air
exchanges
per
the
Mechanical
Code.
So
we
could
heat
or
cool
it,
but
if
we're
not
ventilating
that
space,
that
becomes
a
problem.
So
if
we
were
to,
if
it's
a
three
season,
it
opens
up
and
it
closes-
and
you
know
you
get
those
exchanges
through
the
operability
of
those
partition
or
accordion
Windows.
K
C
Okay,
if
we
condition
this
as
a
three
season,
enclosure
I
mean.
Is
there
a
way
you
can
use
it
in
the
winter.
K
You
can,
if
you
sit
next
to
an
open
window,
no
I.
Think
again,
the
caveat
is
just
getting
the
required
air
changes
in
there.
It
is
an
a
occupancy
which
requires.
You
know
it
has
substantially
more
air
change
requirements
than
just
say.
An
office
building
right
we'd
have
to
explore
that
I'm,
not
sure
what
our
options
would
be,
but
I
would
think
we
would
have
to
condition
it
at
least
to
some
extent
to
get
those
air
changes.
Okay,.
H
I
have
a
question
now
that
we'd
like
to
design
again
that
footer
on
the
bottom.
Do
you
need
that
footer
on
the
bottom,
or
can
you
do
full
glass.
K
G
C
How
high
is
that
little
bottom
barrier?
It's.
K
B
G
H
I
mean
I'm
concerned
I
think
we
should
potentially
condition
it
as
a
three
season
patio
so
that
we
otherwise
I
think
we
might
lose
control
over
what
potentially
you
know
in
40
years.
Somebody
might
do
to
it.
Hopefully
you
guys
are
around
for
a
long
time,
but
I
think
you
should
condition
as
a
three-season
patio.
D
C
You
all
right,
moving
on
to
agenda
item
number
seven
drh23-00225.
This
is
at
1423
West,
Franklin,
Street
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
new
single
family
resident
and
detached
garage
with
an
Adu
above
on
a
property
in
a
multi-family
residential
with
historic
design,
review
overlay
Steph.
Can
we
please
get
the
report.
E
This
is
located
in
the
Hayes
Street
historic
district-
it
it
is
not
applicable
so
to
speak,
is
a
classification
being
contributing
or
not
contributing?
It
is
currently
the
parking
space
beside
an
existing
historic
house
that
has
been
commercial
and
I,
think
is
going
back
to
house
or
has
gone
back
to
residential,
so
it's
in
in
a
unique
location,
so
the
parcel
will
be
a
division
of
an
existing
parcel
for
that
parking
lot.
Space
that
has
I
mean
asphalt.
Parking
lots
are
not
contributing,
but
they're
not
officially
not
contributed.
E
Here's
the
site
to
give
you
the
context.
There's
the
house
to
the
left,
with
the
red
terracotta
Mission,
tile
roof
and
to
the
right
of
that
is
that
parking
lot
area
where
the
new
construction
will
be
built,
and
there
was
historic
there
historically
would
have
been
a
parcel
there,
a
property
there.
It.
O
E
A
E
Residence
with
a
rare
garage
Adu
here
are
the
elevations
proposed
and
the
elevations
have
been
slightly
revised.
The
applicant
will
be
here
presenting
and
in
their
presentation,
they'll
have
these
revised
drawings.
These
are
minimal
changes
just
a
few
dropping
of
the
water
table
elements
and
a
few
other
things
to
to
to
strengthen
the
design
elevations
of
the
garage
Adu,
the
site
context,
with
lots
of
photos
to
give
you
an
indication
of
what
is
around
this
property.
E
Various
Heights,
and
our
analysis
is
that
the
house
to
the
east
is
32
feet
to
the
peak,
which
is
just
two
inches
shorter.
The
house
to
the
east
of
that
is
a
two
and
a
half
story.
Tall
and
wide
structure,
and
the
house
across
the
street
is
two
stories,
as
are
many
others
in
the
area.
The
house
that
I
mentioned
before
with
the
Mission
tile
is
a
one
story
that
is
19
feet
seven
and
there
are
also
other
one
stories
in
the
vicinity.
E
However,
there
are
sufficiently
a
number
of
adjacent
and
nearby
two-story
houses
that
are
more
massive,
especially
as
width
goes
to.
Houses
adjacent
are
substantially
wider
than
this
one.
So
we
feel
that
this
two-story
house
is
acceptable,
given
the
context
of
the
area
and
the
roof
forum,
and
the
masking
and
material
used
in
the
construction
are
all
appropriate
materials
and
congruous
with
neighboring
historic
property
material,
pallets
standard
nine
says
that
new
construction
should
be
compatible
with
all
these
things.
C
D
R
We
are
proposing
a
project
which
is
a
two-story
with
a
basement
and
a
detached
garage
with
an
Adu
on
the
second
floor,
and
we
are
located
at
the
intersection
of
Franklin
and
15th
Street,
a
few
more
exhibits
on
the
next
few
slides
with
the
show
where
we
are
in
terms
of
vicinity
and
how
we
are
positioning,
the
outskirts
of
the
haze
historic
district
and
how
the
surrounding
neighboring
blocks
of
architecture,
quickly
transitions
to
different
scale
and
building
types.
R
A
few
more
you
see
on
the
on
the
west
is
Albertsons
to
the
east
was
this?
Is
a
school
and
a
few
more
of
the
surrounding
building
context.
R
Existing
condition
right
now
is
a
paved
parking
and
to
the
east
is
a
is
a
demonstrates.
The
scale
of
the
neighboring
two-story
structure
and
a
few
more
of
the
surrounding
context,
rear
alley
directly
across
from
the
property
landscape
plans,
shows
the
intent
of
the
Landscaping
we
are
proposing
and
the
the
existing
landscape
to
remain.
R
We
are
our
lab
coverage
with
the
required
35
Max.
We
are
at
33
percent
that
we
are
providing
for
the
40
minimum
open
space.
We
are
providing
49
for
the
25
Max
in
previous.
We
are
at
18
18,
so
there's
a
few
more
information
in
there.
R
If
anyone
would
like
to
look
into
those
we've
worked
with
with
staff
on
those
next
few
slides
would
be
the
floor,
plans
first
floor
with
delivering
spaces
and
two-car
garage
detached
second
floor
with
the
bedrooms
and
the
Adu
above
the
detached
garage
and
the
basement,
and
this
shows
how
the
two
massing
relate
to
each
other
with
the
Adu
garage
at
the
back
of
the
primary
residence
with
demonstrating
its
smarter
scale
facing
the
rear
alley.
R
A
few
more
notes
on
the
proposed
materials
of
the
elevations
and
how
the
the
basement
plays
into
the
architecture
a
few
more
elevations
of
the
garage
Adu
and
some
of
the
materials
in
our
Pilots.
The
lab
shows
the
colors
that
we
are
posting
in
the
window
types
some
of
the
ceiling
finishes
in
the
in
the
front:
porch
Sandstone
roof
and
the
the
lower
front
standing
seam
metal
roof
that
we
are
proposing
and
that'll.
Be
it.
H
Was
there
any
other
way
that
you
could
break
up
the
massing
on
the
second
floor,
it's
sort
of
you
did
a
good
job
at
the
front,
but
the
back
is
still
really
kind
of
bulky
and
also
there's
a
lot
of
that
white
space.
It's
a
kind
of
a
void.
Is
there
any
way
to
improve
that?
Maybe
Jeff,
if
you
have
any
ideas,
put
you
on
the
spot.
N
N
The
window
placement
is
is
a
little
bit
off
off-putting
and
as
it
balances
with
the
rest
of
the
the
white.
Maybe
that's,
commissioner
boy,
is
that
maybe
what
you're
thinking
of
yeah.
R
We
can
take
a
look
at
how
to
break
those
up,
maybe
check
and
see
what
kind
of
architecture
elements
we
can
put
on
those
and
work
with
staff.
Yeah.
N
N
G
I
think
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
designs
for
the
second
floor,
that's
the
primary
but
bedroom
and
they're
trying
to
make
space
for
a
big
bed
to
go.
There
I
wonder
if
there's
like
a
design
element
that
could
break
up
that
space
like
a
star
or
something
like
you're
like
one
of
those
things
that
kind
of
people
do
on
their
houses
but
like
that,
would
break
it
up
because
I
don't
know
that
you
can
get
like
it
would
be
weird
to
have
like
a
high
window.
There
I
don't
know
yeah.
H
There's
yeah
I
think
it
could
be
improved
because
it
is
like
a
little
bit
awkward
in
that
in
that
space
and
then
my
second
question
is:
was
there
any
other
choices
for
color?
Besides
peppercorn
and
green
black?
H
I
think
everything
is
being
gray
right
now
and
it
doesn't
look
historically,
it
wasn't
a
color
within
the
historic
district,
so
some
other
thought
to
the
that
color
would
be
great.
N
Madam,
chair
I,
had
a
question
about
the
the
Sandstone
is.
Is
that
an
is
that
an
actual
stone,
or?
Is
that
an
applied?
It.
C
Any
other
questions,
no
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
is
the
neighborhood
association
here
and
wanting
to
test
violence
project.
L
Sandra
Herman
1404,
North,
7th,
Street,
Madam,
chairwoman,
woman
and
commission.
We
are
pleased
that
the
design
team
has
been
very
responsive
to
our
inquiries,
the
concerns
of
neighbors
and
the
cities.
City
teams
concern
about
height,
they
showed
compromise
with
neighbors.
Regarding
the
porch
and
the
house
front
plane,
we
thought
the
plans
on
this
project
were
very
readable
and
appreciated
the
lock
coverage
sheet.
Our
understanding
is
that
a
garage
Adu
over
22
feet
requires
a
15
foot,
rear
setback
or
setback
variants.
L
If
that's
the
case,
we
would
like
to
see
those
variance
requirements
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
in
the
future.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
when
HPC
approves
a
project
that
there
is
acknowledgment
that
a
variance
has
been
needed
or
obtained,
we
like
the
inclusion
of
the
shade,
trees
and
request
down
shielded
lighting
and
permeable
Paving.
L
C
You
any
questions
for
the
neighborhood
association.
No,
all
right,
we
do
not
have
anyone
signed
up.
Is
there
anyone
present
wishing
to
comment
on
this
project?
C
Okay,
great
with
that
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
render
a
decision
so
discussion
or.
H
I
think
I'd
like
to
have
a
stipulation
just
to
work
on
that
front
design
element
with
staff
to
figure
out
something
to
break
up
that
space.
C
Okay,
also,
you
mentioned
color.
Are
there
some
like
examples,
colors
that
you
would
recommend
they
look
into.
C
Some
sort
of
color
excellent,
all
right,
any
other
comments
or
men.
F
Excuse
me
if
I
may
I
just
want
to
commend
the
architect
on
on
this
design,
there's
a
lot
that
you
have
managed
to
fit
into
this
property
and
still
manage
to
stay
within
our
35.
Lock
coverage
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
testament
and
example
to
anyone
and
everyone
that
it
can
be
done.
So,
thank
you
very
much.