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G
Brenda
rittenauer
I'm,
with
our
communication
and
engagement,
Department,
and
my
role
this
evening
is
to
share
our
community
guidelines
before
we
begin
open
comments,
so
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
Civic
conversation.
This
Vision
was
designed
to
support
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members
for
staff
and
for
council
members
and
supports
democracy
for
people
of
all
ages.
Identities
lived
experience
and
political
perspectives
for
more
information
about
this
vision
and
the
community
engagement
process
that
led
to
it.
G
G
No
participants
shall
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,
obscenity,
racial
epithets
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct
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meeting
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speak
using
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name.
They
are
commonly
known
by,
and
individuals
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak
online
I
do
see
on
the
zoom
participant
list,
then
I
have
a
few
folks
who
do
not
have
their
whole
name
listed.
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Currently,
only
audio
testimony
is
permitted
online.
Not
video
and
in-person
participants
are
asked
to
refrain
from
expressing
support
or
disagreement
verbally
or
with
Applause,
with
the
exception
of
support
for
declarations
which
we
did
not
have
on
the
agenda
tonight.
Traditionally,
support
is
shown
silently
through
through
sign
language
Applause
or
some.
B
A
H
Evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
my
name
is
Nick
Torres
I'm
speaking
with
you
tonight
in
my
capacity
as
a
representative
of
the
American
Lung
Association,
as
well
as
a
proud
Boulder
resident.
So
many
of
us
working
in
public
health
have
very
personal
reasons
for
what
we
do
and
I
know.
So
many
of
us
who
have
been
affected
by
tobacco
use
lung
cancer,
COPD
Strokes
in
our
families.
H
Personally,
I'll,
never
forget
the
feeling
of
being
in
the
back
seat
of
my
mom's
minivan,
with
my
shirt
pulled
over
my
face
nauseous
from
the
secondhand
smoke
or
going
to
a
restaurant
and
begging
my
parents
to
go
to
the
non-smoking
section
and
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
say
smoke-free
air
laws,
work
they're
part
of
a
comprehensive,
evidence-based
policy
framework
that
has
significantly
lowered
tobacco
use
rates
over
the
past
30
years,
Boulder
was
an
early
adopter
of
smoke-free
laws,
which
probably
is
no
surprise,
given
our
community's
healthy,
active
culture
and
the
world-class
athletes
that
we
attract.
H
The
city
has
made
many
updates
to
the
smoke-free
air
law
over
the
years,
but
always
in
the
interest
of
Public
Health,
so,
for
example,
adding
protections
for
e-cigarettes
adding
protections
for
outdoor
dining
areas,
even
adding
cannabis
products
to
its
definition
of
smokable
products
in
the
smoke-free
air
law.
So,
as
a
public
health,
Advocate
I
can
say
simply
smoke
is
smoke,
smoke
is
harmful
to
your
lungs
and
your
health
and
the
weather
that
smoke
is
from
burning
tobacco
or
marijuana
or
wildfires.
H
For
that
matter
and
the
recommendations
you
have
from
the
Cannabis
licensing
Advisory
Board
regarding
licensing
Hospitality
establishments,
are
heavily
weighted
toward
the
Cannabis
industry
and
not
in
Public's
interest.
So
I'd
urge
you
not
to
move
forward
with
that
and
adding
that
to
your
work
plan
for
the
year.
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jody
Radke
I'm,
the
regional
director
with
the
campaign
for
tobacco-free
kids.
Thank
you
for
allowing
my
comments
this
evening
on
behalf
of
our
organization
and
Boulder
residents
who
support
our
work.
My
work
in
Tobacco
Control
started
about
20
years
ago.
I've
been
with
my
organization
about
17
and
a
half
years,
and
my
work
really
started
with
working
on
local
city
and
county
ordinances
in
state
to
make
public
places,
smoke-free
and
I
can
distinctly.
Remember
the
tobacco
industry's
tactics
to
socialize
their
product
to
us
all.
I
They
work
diligently,
prioritizing
fear
over
reality,
fear
built
on
fiction,
not
fact.
In
years
later,
we
can
re
reflect
on
that
fear
and
that
fiction
and
are
able
to
analyze
its
Merit.
Did
businesses
leave
town?
Did
they
lay
off
employees?
Did
they
file
bankruptcy,
move
elsewhere,
taking
their
tax
sellers
with
them,
as
they
claimed
I?
Think
we
all
know.
The
answer
to
those
questions
is
no
but
they're,
not
just
no.
The
facts
are.
The
reverse
was
true
businesses
during
that
time
not
only
survived,
but
they
thrived
and
they
have
never
looked
backwards.
I
The
reality
is
this:
a
quote:
Matthew
singer
he's
a
cardiac
researcher
and
associate
professor
of
medicine
in
California
San
Francisco
smoke
is
smoke.
Both
tobacco
and
marijuana
smoke
impair
blood
vessel
functions.
Similarly,
people
should
avoid
both
and
governments
who
are
protecting
people
against
second-hand
smoke.
Exposure
should
include
marijuana
in
those
rules.
We
urge
you
to
protect
Boulder's
Legacy
as
a
leader
in
this
state
and
public
health.
Any
consideration
to
weaken
the
current
Clean
Indoor
Air
standards
is
a
step
backwards
in
the
wrong
direction
and
without
Merit.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
J
B
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Pete
Bialik
and
I'm,
the
president
of
group,
to
alleviate
smoking
pollution,
gas
for
Colorado
through
education
policy
change,
Gas
Works
to
protect
the
public
from
exposure
to
secondhand
smoke
in
public
places,
restaurants
bars
and
workplaces
and
multi-unit
housing.
When
I
first
moved
here
in
1983,
smoking
was
allowed
in
grocery
stores,
restaurants
and
retail
stores,
and
in
1984
the
Fort
Collins
city
council
and
people
of
Fort
Collins
passed
a
comp,
the
first
comprehensive
local
law
restricting
smoking
in
restaurants
and
other
public
places
and
workplaces
that
followed
in
1985.
J
When
Boulder
passed
its
first
ordinance
restricting
smoking
in
public
places
sponsored
by
Matt
Applebaum.
J
After
that,
the
people
of
Boulder
passed
a
comprehensive
law
that,
for
the
first
one
that
banned
smoking
in
bars
and
restaurants
in
1995
by
a
55
percent
support,
despite
heavy
opposition
from
the
industry
and
then
from
then
in
2015,
the
council
added
a
lot
of
electronic
smoking
devices,
the
downtown
mall,
Parks,
Trails
multi-use
paths,
outdoor
areas
of
restaurants
and
bars.
Based
on
some
surveys
that
we've
done
over
the
last
few
years.
We
believe
most
Boulder
residents
do
not
support
or
would
not
support
allowing
smoking
and
vaping
marijuana
in
public
places
and
workplaces.
J
We
know
that
marijuana
produces
many
of
the
same
chemicals
that
are
in
tobacco
that
are
harmful,
and
so
we
cannot
support
our
organization,
cannot
support
allowing
it
in
public
places
workplaces,
but
we've
always
said
that
it's
not
the
smoker.
We
mind
it's
the
smoke,
so
that's
why
we
don't
have
an
objection
to
allowing
marijuana
Alternatives
like
infused
beverages
or
tinctures
I
hope
I
said
that
right
that
act
very
fast
in
limited
public
places
and
workplaces.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
J
K
Yes,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Steve
sheath,
believe
it
or
not.
I'm
an
investment
professional
who's
been
working
since
1989
to
help
direct
the
flow
of
investment
capital
in
more
healthy
and
positively
impactful
ways.
For
the
past
25
years,
my
family
and
I
have
thoroughly
enjoyed
and
greatly
appreciated
the
culture
of
Boulder,
where
we,
the
collective
we
value,
The,
Great,
Outdoors,
clear
air,
clean
water,
a
healthy
environment,
I've
done
a
great
deal
of
traveling
over
the
years
and
I
can
vividly
remember
the
days.
K
K
I
was
one
of
many
people
across
the
country
who
admired
the
city
of
Boulder's
leadership
in
Banning
smoking
in
public
places.
Many
years
ago,
my
wife
and
I
recently
returned
from
a
trip
to
Northern
Italy
and
Southern
France,
where
I
was
rudely
reminded
that
the
privilege
we
enjoy
here
in
Boulder
is
not
shared
around
the
world.
In
fact,
it
is
a
privilege,
a
beautiful
privilege,
to
be
in
public
places
and
not
have
to
breathe
secondhand
smoke
even
sitting
at
outdoor
cafes
in
Europe.
We
were
constantly
breathing
smoke
coming
from
other
tables,
full
disclosure
I'm.
K
Also
a
director
of
the
not-for-profit
American
non-smokers
rights
Foundation.
We
support
local
initiatives
working
for
the
right
to
breathe
clean
air
on
behalf
of
all
citizens.
Our
website
offers
a
great
deal
of
scientific
research
on
the
health-related
ramifications
of
secondhand
smoke
and
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
present
that.
But
we
don't
have
time.
This
evening.
K
Tobacco
smoke
smoke
from
vaping
devices
smoke
from
cannabis.
It's
all
pretty
much
the
same.
It
seems
highly
unlikely
that
this
Council
in
this
community
would
once
again
ever
allow
people
to
smoke
tobacco
in
public
places.
However,
you
may
have
heard
that
cannabis
smoke
is
qualitatively
different.
Not
so
I
can't
help
but
wonder
if
Boulder
were
okay
too.
Okay,
smoking
cannabis
in
any
public
space.
How
long
would
it
take
before
the
tobacco
industry
would
come
asking
to
roll
back
the
protections
that
have
been
enacted
over
the
years?
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
We
voters
have
every
incentive
to
fix
our
errors,
two
examples
of
how
we
fixed
Colorado
ballot
initiatives
in
1996
we
passed
initiative,
15
a
strong
campaign,
Finance
law,
but
the
corrupt
legislature
gutted
it
so
we
redid
it
in
2002,
and
this
time
we
put
it
in
the
Constitution,
so
the
legislature
couldn't
touch
it.
It's
Amendment
27..
L
L
So
we
proposed
online
petitioning
and
voters
put
it
in
the
city
Charter
in
2018.,
but
City
County
and
state
staff
have
colluded
to
butcher
it,
which
thousands
have
now
experienced.
Voters
have
incentive
to
fix
our
mistakes
as
we
have
to
live
with
them.
Politicians,
though,
have
incentive
to
cover
up
mistakes
to
protect
careers
and
donors
who
live
beyond
the
effect
of
your
errors
and
who
profit
from
them.
One
example:
housing
and
Human
Services,
director,
Kurt,
fernhaber
and
others
told
us
here
at
least
10
times
that
there's
always
enough
homeless,
shelter,
beds
in
extreme
weather.
L
A
M
Thank
you,
mayor
members
of
council,
I'm,
Jonathan,
singer,
I'm,
the
senior
director
of
policy
programs
with
the
boulder
chamber.
There
are
two
things
I
wanted
to
highlight
for
you
today.
The
first
one
is
this:
after
careful
deliberation
over
the
last
year,
our
business
groups,
small
and
large,
have
come
to
amazing
conclusions
on
many
issues
which
are
all
summed
up
in
a
policy
framework
which
are
now
available
online.
So
I
encourage
all
of
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
policy
framework.
M
Within
the
context
of
that
framework,
there
are
just
two
things
that
I
wanted
to
cover
today.
The
first
one
is
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
conversation
you've
already
had
on
the
minimum
wage
and
where
you'd
like
to
see
things,
go
I
just
want
to
remind
this
group
that
many
of
our
businesses
are
small
non-profits
that
operate
on
annual
budgets
and
their
grants
come
through
once
a
year,
either
from
other
non-profits
or
the
state.
So
any
deliberative
process
should
take
the
appropriate
amount
of
time.
M
On
the
flip
side,
you're
going
to
hear
from
a
lot
of
people
today
from
the
Cannabis
licensing,
Advisory
Board,
your
volunteer
board,
took
over
two
years
to
come
to
some
hard-fought
conclusions
on
an
even
Keel.
You
had
adversaries
and
Advocates
working
together
to
come
to
many
conclusions.
That
I
would
agree
with.
As
the
author
of
the
legislation
that
created
the
ability
to
have
a
hospitality
industry,
you
are
looking
at
maybe
not
what's
a
gold
standard,
but
what's
a
compromise
standard.
So
when
we
talk
about
Clean,
Indoor,
Air
Act,
cannabis
is
different
than
tobacco.
M
We
already
when
we
talk
about
smoke
being
smoke.
There's
smoke
that
comes
from
kitchens.
There
are
people
out
there
Paving
our
potholes
right
now
that
are
experiencing
experiencing
volatile
organic
compounds.
We
make
careful
safety
decisions
and
put
the
best
practices
in
place
to
allow
for
an
industry
to
work,
but
also
for
customers
to
be
able
to
access
the
right
thing.
I
look
forward
to
your
questions
and
I
look
forward
to
the
conversation
tonight.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
N
To
talk
about
the
last
two
months,
I've
had
my
federal
lawsuit:
that's
dropped
through
and
been
fully
dismissed,
so
we
should
be
able
to
talk
about
that.
My
car
was
fully
totaled
by
my
accident
from
the
city,
ten
thousand
dollars
worth
of
damage
this
last
week
we
grieved
one
of
our
homeless
that
fell
into
the
creek
on
a
very
high
point
of
the
creek.
That
I
knew
nothing
of
and
floated
down
about
three
quarters
of
a
mile
and
passed
away.
I
watched
as
our
feet
forward.
N
I'd
been
able
to
go
in
with
it
about
three
weeks
ago,
and
so
I
was
going
to
question
that,
but,
needless
to
say,
I
don't
know
who
to
speak
to
to
get
this
works
wagging
out
of
there
I'm
totally
against
that
I've
watched
several
of
our
community
and
it
is
forget
the
marijuana
smell
in
this
and
the
and
the
cigarettes,
but
underneath
our
tunnel
I
walked
through
there
the
other
day
and
I'm
shamed
and
disgusted
to
say
that
there
were
at
least
30
30
bubbles,
foils
and
everything
going
on.
N
It's
not
okay,
it's
not
acceptable.
It's
not
harm
reduction.
There
is
no
safe
usage
out
there.
They
hand
that
stuff
out,
there's
not
mandated
Narcan,
there's
not
mandated
sharp
containers
hand
handed
out.
They
handed
out
some
socks
of
peanut
butter
and
jelly
sandwich.
People
were
able
to
get
some
food
over
there
with
their
gallon
size,
jug
of
paraphernalia.
If
you're
ever
curious
about
it
go
up
there
ask
them.
They'll
give
you
a
nice
little
discreet
brown
paper
bag
with
all
the
things
you
need.
They
do
not
provide
papers
for
marijuana.
N
O
Broken
yes,
this
way
before
you
go
to
the
online,
have
you
called
Jade
Kelly
yet
or.
B
A
B
P
Okay,
speaking
on
her
behalf,
Judy
said
that
was
right.
Go.
B
P
Will
Alejandra
baby
I
am
a
union
member
of
CWA
speaking
for
local
77.99
and
just
want
to
talk
with
all
of
you
about
supporting
the
minimum
wage
campaign
is
something
that
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
something
I'm
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
right
now
and
I
want
to
just
continue
to
emphasize
to
the
city
how
important
it
is
that
we
join
the
county,
get
going
and
get
this
done
by
the
end
of
the
year.
P
We
have
a
lot
of
our
workers
who
are
continuing
to
suffer
from
not
being
able
to
get
bills
paid
not
being
able
to
support
themselves
not
being
able
to
live
in
Boulder
just
talking
to
a
King
Super's
worker,
the
other
day,
gonna
move
to
Broomfield,
but
he
loves
this
town
and
he
wants
to
be
here
and
he
actually
makes
19
an
hour.
So,
as
you
can
imagine,
1365
isn't
really
like
that
important
to
them,
but
as
a
union
member
once
the
local
minimum
wage
changes,
his
contract
will
actually
change.
P
So
it
is
very
important
for
them
as
well.
So
we
want
to
just
continue
to
emphasize
to
all
the
city
members
please.
Please
do
everything
that
you
can
to
keep
this
moving.
I
know
it's
complicated.
I
know
it's
hard
to
find
all
the
right
time
to
talk
with
people,
but
for
us
we
have
workers
who
need
this
help
now
they
can't
wait
until
January
of
2025
again,
because
this
is
something
that
we
should
have
done
years
and
years
ago.
So
appreciate
your
support
and
all
the
effort.
That's
going
in
behind
that.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
all
right
we're
going
to
go
to
our
remote
participants.
Now
the
first
one
is
Suzanne
Schick,
but
I've
been
informed
that
she's
not
present
in
the
meeting.
So
we're
going
to
go
to
Stacy
Harrison
Lynn,
Siegel
and
Devin
Edgley
Stacy
wrap.
Q
Hi,
hopefully
you
can
hear
me.
My
name
is
Stacy
Harrison
I'm,
a
business
professional
and
Boulder
resident
here
to
talk
about
the
hospitality
proposal
I'm
with
my
family
here
over
20
years
ago,
for
the
healthy
lifestyle.
But
sadly
it's
been
the
opposite.
I've
seen
the
sacrifice
of
way
too
many
families
due
to
the
normalization
of
drug
use
here,
and
it's
only
just
now
that
there's
a
modicum
of
not
acknowledgment
that
the
potency
of
today's
THC
products
has
long-term
tragic
mental
and
physical
health
impacts.
Q
Further
normalization
by
allowing
use
in
Hospitality
venues
and
enabling
businesses
to
essentially
administer
drugs
to
make
a
profit
is
the
wrong
way
to
Go.
Boulder
is
a
college
town
I
hope
that
can
be
acknowledged
just
as
high
schoolers
look
up
to
college
students
as
their
example,
college
students
look
to
the
rest
of
the
population
to
understand
normalcy.
Q
It's
a
very
in
a
very
recent
study
published
by
the
American
Academy
of
Children,
Of,
Child
and
Adolescent
psychiatry,
medical
and
recreational
marijuana
legalization
were
very
clearly
associated
with
an
increased
suicide
related
mortality
in
youth.
There
are
other
studies,
many
coming
out
increasingly
about
a
direct
correlation
to
increase
by,
but
polarity
and
psychosis
with
THC
use.
Is
it
really
worth
the
long
tail
of
the
cost
to
our
community
as
we
create
more
and
more
cases
of
mental
health
tragedies?
Q
The
rest
of
our
community
is
no
doubt
doubt
impacted
as
well.
Boulder
would
have
to
hire
staff
to
train
on
guidelines
for
administering
drugs
to
Consumers.
Is
it
worth
straining
City
resources
and
tax
dollars
so
that
businesses
can
encourage
thread
views
to
make
a
profit?
Is
it
worth
putting
our
emergency
and
law
enforcement
Personnel
at
risk?
Q
Is
it
worth
the
increase
in
the
number
of
traffic
fatalities
and
I'll
also
say
one
other
thing
about
this
proposal
being
if,
if
it
does
end
up
being
about
quote
unquote
just
flower,
the
typical
typical
range
of
concentration
for
flour
is
15
to
25
THC.
The
biological
limit
for
THC
percentage
is
35.
The
Netherlands
just
to
give
some
context,
counts
anything
15
and
over
a
hard
drug.
So
with
this
proposal
Not
only
would
we
be
turning
back
the
clock
on
public
smoking,
but
we'd
be
enabling
drug
use
and
the
administration
of
drugs
Boulder.
B
R
Lynn
Siegel
no
on
cannabis,
regards
Caroline
Miller
and
her
firing.
Tara
weiner
used
the
expression
dereliction
of
Duty
unbelievable.
This
was
used
in
the
the
worst
perpetuation
of
the
Vietnamese
War
Caroline
Miller
is
a
hero
of
Boulder's
open
space,
and
you
fired
her
for
telling
the
truth
about
a
conversation
between
Rachel
friend
Sam
Weaver
to
how
Holstein
in
the
open
space
board,
to
see
how
much
money
CU
could
get
away
with
to
buy
CU
South
the
open
space
disposal.
R
R
How
can
you
do
that?
How
do
you
sleep
at
night?
What
what
Caroline
did,
what
she
exposed
the
advice
of
the
city
council
going
towards
open
space
Board
of
Trustees?
It's
not
that
direction!
Open
space
advises
the
city
council
Rachel
was
advising
regarding
access
to
open
space
and
advocating
for
the
city's
position.
This
is
unethical.
R
S
We
advocate
for
increasing
economic
growth
in
Boulder
by
supporting
opportunities
for
small
businesses
that
our
residents
find
beneficial
to
their
professional
and
recreational
lives.
Public
Safety
is
at
the
Forefront
of
all
of
our
business
conversations
with
local
regulation.
We
believe
that
moving
forward
with
marijuana
Hospitality
establishments
is
an
Innovative
way
to
boost
Boulder's
Workforce.
S
The
boulder
chamber
is
proud
to
advocate
for
responsible
and
Innovative
businesses
in
our
community.
We
believe
that
permitting
cannabis
Hospitality
will
provide
a
safe
and
legal
venue
for
adults
to
consume
cannabis,
while
fostering
an
environment
for
entrepreneurship
that
sets
our
community
apart
from
others.
Thank
you.
T
Thank
you
Council.
My
name
is
Katie
I
am
here
because
I
want
you
to
support,
raising
the
minimum
wage
in
Boulder
County.
It's
time
it
should
shock.
No
one
I
mean
really
no
one
that
the
chamber
opposes
this,
but
this
is
a
majority.
Progressive
Council
and
raising
the
wage
to
15
and
a
half
dollars
in
the
coming
year
is
a
no-brainer.
I
would
hope.
All
of
you,
I
assume,
already
know
that
this
hourly
wage
is
well
beyond
well
behind
inflation
and
well
below
a
livable
wage.
T
We
live
in
a
progressive
Community,
Progressive
policy
means
worker
empowerment
and
addressing
systemic
and
inequity.
On
top
of
that,
we're
dealing
with
the
homelessness
epidemic.
The
root
causes
of
increased
homelessness
in
places
like
Boulder
are
directly
tied
to
Rising
rents,
towns,
towns
with
higher
rents,
have
more
homelessness
and
ensuring
that
workers
have
a
livable
wages,
not
just
an
ideal.
It
is
the
work
of
policy
makers.
T
This
change
won't
even
get
us
there,
but
I
can't
imagine
speaking
out
or
voting
against
it
at
this
point
in
2023.
Unless
we
aren't
serious
about
addressing
inequality,
so
we
need
to
raise
the
wage
without
delay
and
we
need
vocal
Champions.
This
is
an
economic
security
measure.
It's
a
housing
measure.
Frankly,
it's
a
community
safety
measure,
lots
of
talk
in
this
town
about
safety.
Lately,
Economic
Security
is
safe
to
be
housing.
Affordability
is
safety,
sustainable
Workforce
is
safety.
T
We
can't
actually,
we
don't
actually
have
to
listen
to
the
chamber.
When
it
comes
to
worker
protections,
there
will
always
be
a
business
Lobby
opposing
raising
the
wage
and
they
have
power.
They
know
how
to
influence
policy.
You
have
to
think
about
what's
best
for
the
community
and
Progressive
councils
know
that
they
have
to
make
policy
for
those
who
don't
have
power
and
don't
have
influence
in
these
Chambers
raise
the
wage
with
no
delays.
Thank
you.
U
Good
afternoon
Council,
my
name
is
Aiden
Reed
I'm
speaking
this
evening
to
urge
Boulder
City
Council
to
join
Boulder
County
in
implementing
a
minimum
wage
hike
in
2024,
not
2025..
It's
imperative
that
the
city
moves
swiftly
and
urgently
to
implement
this
in
2024,
so
that
the
city
does
not
have
to
wait
another
year
to
do
this
in
2025.,
with
the
long-term
goal
of
implementing
a
self-sufficiency
wage
of
25
an
hour
by
2028..
U
As
the
previous
speaker
noted,
this
is
an
economic
security
measure
as
much
as
anything
else.
The
only
way
to
guarantee
that
Working
Class
People
can
afford
to
live
in
the
city
is
to
pay
them
a
wage
that
allows
them
to
cover
their
basic
necessities
like
rent,
groceries
and
other
related
costs,
and
it's
imperative
city.
Does
this
I
hope
you'll
move
quickly
and
join
the
county
to
get
this
implemented
by
2024.?
Thank.
V
Hi,
my
name
is
Jeff:
I
live
east
of
the
airport
on
61st
Street
and
over
the
past
two
years,
I've
made
11
visits
to
ask
the
pilots
why
they
can't
follow
Boulder's
departure
rule,
which
is
fly
straight
till
you,
reach
get
past
the
houses
and
then
head
north
and
I
got
a
bunch
of
reasons
in
a
meeting
with
John
Kinney
and
the
pilots.
The
guy
from
attorneys
told
me
these
are
only
recommendations
and
we
can
do
what
we
want.
V
V
So
basically
the
FAA,
which
has
got
the
grand
insurances
to
the
city,
is
a
survival
and
dishonest
entity,
meaning
that
the
pilots
are
a
self-governing
group
and,
as
you
would
expect,
they
are
maximizing
their
profit
and
their
Amusement
through
the
trainers
and
the
gliders,
and
here
we
are
subsidizing
them
with
the
FAA
and
public
money.
While
we
get
sprayed
with
noise
and
Lead,
there's
a
huge
opportunity.
V
But
this
is
also
a
chance
for
the
city
to
get
some
justice
for
the
people
on
the
ground
and
to
increase
its
Revenue,
which
is
a
pair
of
things
that
probably
don't
come
along
that
often
the
current
cwg
should
probably
be
renamed
the
AWG,
because
Kinley
horn
showed
up
with
all
pro-aviation
material
anyway.
I
hope,
you'll,
consider
the
justice
and
the
revenue
that
you
could
get
by
repurposing.
The
airport.
B
B
W
Hi
this
is
Sarah,
thank
you,
City
leadership
and
staff
for
initiating
the
community
working
group
with
respect
to
the
future
of
Boulder
airport
and
for
actively
involving
Boulder's
residents
in
this
decision
process.
I
attended
the
open
house
earlier
this
week
and
one
comment
from
a
young
woman
stood
out.
She
said:
I
rode
my
bike.
Every
day
by
Boulder
airport
growing
up
now,
I
wonder
how
much
lead
I
was
exposed
to
without
knowing
and
I'm
sure
my
parents
didn't
know
either
how
many
other
children
were
exposed
and
are
now
being
exposed.
W
So,
as
you
take
time
to
review
the
community
input,
I
hope
you'll
think
on
her
words,
because
the
future
of
Boulder's
children
is
very
much
at
stake.
In
this
conversation,
unleaded
fuel
is
years
away
and
the
FAA
is
working
on
a
mandate
to
force
all
airports
to
sell
leaded
fuel.
We
have
over
15
airports
within
50
miles
more
than
almost
anywhere
else
in
the
country.
Closing
this
airport
would
have
minimal
impact
except
to
the
120
airport
tenants.
Yet
it
would
benefit
thousands,
especially
the
children
living
in
the
shadow
of
the
airport.
W
Let's
talk
about
consequences
too.
In
2018,
the
estimated
value
of
the
180
Acres
at
Boulder
airport
was
358
million.
That
value
is
likely
quite
a
bit
more
now
and
of
those
180
Acres.
The
city
used
FAA
funds
to
help
purchase
49..
The
city
could
sell
those
49
Acres
at
market
value,
pay
back
the
FAA
and
the
land
itself
is
worth
so
much
more
than
the
small
amount
owed
to
FAA,
also
look
to
Santa
Clara
and
the
consequences
of
standing
up
to
the
FAA.
W
At
first,
the
FAA
attempted
to
bully
the
community
into
selling
leaded
fuel
again,
but
they
backed
off
Boulder,
isn't
afraid
to
stand
up
to
bullies
and
I
trust
that
Boulder
leadership
will
keep
doing
the
right
thing
by
its
residents
and
especially
its
children,
in
helping
direct
the
future
of
Boulder
airport.
Thank
you.
B
X
You
so
much
mayor,
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
today
on
items
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
later
on
this
evening,
so
I'll
reserve
and
listen
to
those
conversations
as
we
move
forward,
particularly
the
item
on
marijuana
hospitality
industries
and
some
of
the
a
topic
that
Miss
Rodriguez
brought
up
about.
Boulder
Creek
I
wanted
to
remind
those
listening
regarding
the
airport
conversations.
X
We
will
have
that
study
session
with
you
all
on
August
24th,
so
looking
forward
to
hearing
I
haven't
seen
yet
all
of
the
public
feedback
and
looking
forward
to
hearing
that,
alongside
with
all
of
you
and
then
finally
Miss
Rodriguez,
it's
always
a
pleasure
to
see
you
I
just
sent
you
a
note
to
see
if
we
can
meet
I'm
very
interested
in
following
up
on
your
comments.
Thank
you.
U
B
N
N
It
provides
glass
pipes
which
are
used
to
smoke
meth,
it
provides
foil
which
is
used
to
smoke
Blues
on
it'll,
give
you
a
peanut
butter
and
jelly
sandwich
some
socks,
normally
it's
associated
with
a
beehap
or
a
B
cap,
which
is
education
that
can
be
provided
to
our
drug
addicts
to
be
able
to
go
in
and
get
a
card
so
that
their
immune
or
from
prosecution
in
the
event
they're
using
amongst
the
crowd
and
somebody
overdoses,
they're
able
to
call
for
help
without
fear
of
prosecution
or,
if
they're,
caught
with
their
stuff
on
them
truly
are
our
drug
level.
N
I.
Think
it's
under
anything
under
two
grams
of
the
math
is
legal
and
not
jailable,
so
we're
having
a
hard
time
with
the
enforcement.
But
the
thing
is:
is
the
homeless
people
rely
on
that
wagon
when
there's
not
food
and
to
to
make
it
through
their
days?
It's
the
last
thing
I
need
out
there.
I
was
from
the
homeless
crowd
and
I'm
I'm
the
lived
experience,
and
that
is
not
what
I
want
to
represent,
but
I
saw
it
happen
last
week,
but
thank
you
for
asking
thank
you.
AA
You
know:
Red
Rough
shot
over
someone's
right
to
free
speech
against
an
elected
official,
but
I
think
that
allegations
of
corruption
or
ethics
violations
are
pretty
serious
and
so
I
want
to
know
if,
if
I'm
being
falsely
maligned
as
I
am
around
a
conversation
that
Hal
Holstein
apparently
had
with
Caroline
Miller.
What
can
I
do
to
sort
of
draw
that
out
into
the
open
so
that
the
community
could
know
that
there
was
nothing
corrupt.
AA
Can
I
invite
the
person
who's
making
those
allegations
to
file
with
your
office?
You
know,
for
something
can
I
am,
can
I
invite
an
investigation
or
what
steps
could
be
taken
there.
Y
Council
member
friend,
certainly
a
person
could
file
a
request
for
an
investigation
of
under
the
code
of
conduct
if
they
believe
that
there
is
a
violation
of
the
code
of
conduct
I'm,
not
aware
of
a
mechanism
for
you
to
file
something
because
and
there
has
to
be
an
allegation
of
a
violation,
and
so
what
you're
suggesting
from
your
end
would
not
be
an
allegation
of
a
violation.
It
would
be
more
akin
to
an
allegation
of
a
non-violation,
so
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
procedural
mechanism
for
that.
Y
Certainly
you
know
you
can
address
it
publicly.
As
you're
doing
here
you,
you,
too,
retain
your
first
amendment
rights
and
so
you,
you
know,
you're,
welcome
to
to
speak
to
those
allegations
publicly.
AA
Okay,
thanks
well,
I
will
just
be
brief.
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
complaint
being
made
is
about
a
conversation
between
a
former
open
space
board
of
trustee
member
and
another
member
of
that
board.
I
was
not
present
for
that
conversation,
but
in
in
doing
a
little
digging.
AA
My
understanding
is
that
he
shared
some
information
that
he
told
Sam
and
I
about
wanting
to
make
sure
that
open
space
received
sort
of
adequate
acreage
in
compensation
for
really
high
quality
acreage
that
they
would
they
would
lose
in
in
disposing
of
acres
to
the
city.
AA
So
I
would
invite
the
person
who
is
concerned
about
corruption
or
ethical
behavior
from
myself
or
former
member
Sam
Weber
to
file
a
complaint
so
that
that
could
be
investigated
if
they
want,
because
there
there
was
absolutely
no
corruption,
I
think
it's
dangerous
to
allege
corruption,
where
there
isn't
corruption
it
can
lead
to
violence
against
elected
officials
and
I,
don't
take
it
lightly,
so
you
bring
it
if
you
would
like
to
file
a
complaint,
there's
nothing
there,
but
but
please
be
mindful
that
those
allegations
are
serious
and
and
false.
Thank
you.
E
The
comments
made
by
Ms,
Siegel
or
apparently
are
an
adaptation
of
comments
made
by
Miss
Miller
in
a
rant
at
one
of
the
meetings
of
osbt.
That
I've
had
the
displeasure
of
watching
on
tape.
E
All
right
things
are
not
true,
because
you
say
they
are
true.
They
are
not
true
because
you
want
them
to
be
true.
They
are
only
true
if
there
is
evidence
to
support
their
truth,
and
there
is
not
a
smidgen
of
evidence
that
anything
corrupt
has
occurred
with
Sam
Weaver
with
my
colleague,
Rachel
friend.
E
It
is
nonsense
and
if
somebody
is
not
going
to
stand
up
in
front
of
us
and
show
us
chapter
and
verse
why
those
allegations
are
true,
but
simply
repeat
them
as
if
they
were
true,
is
doing
a
disservice
to
this
Council
this
and
this
community.
It
is
some
of
the
worst
form
of
speech
that
I
can
think
of.
E
AB
I
just
wanted
to
say
Rachel
that
I'm
sorry
that
you
experienced
this
tonight
and
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
whether
things
are
true
or
not,
or
in
this
case
I,
do
not
think
that
they
are
true
just
for
the
record,
but
whether
they're,
true
or
not,
I,
think
that
there
are
better
ways
to
handle
things
than
speaking
up
in
public
and
coming
at
somebody.
So
sorry
that
that
happened.
D
D
There
was
several
mentions
of
minimum
wage,
particularly
related
to
County,
Action
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
everyone
a
little
update.
So
it
is
my
understanding
that
the
county
is
planning
to
move
forward
with
a
minimum
wage
increase
at
the
end
of
this
year
with
staff.
We,
you
know,
I've
been
kind
of
going
to
different
communities
and
giving
a
little
minimum
wage
presentation.
D
B
Great
anything
else
see
none
I
will
just
in
the
while
we're
talking
about
corrections.
I
want
to
say
apologies,
Alicia
Emily,
for
saying
that
something
was
incorrect.
I
think
there
was
a
little
confusion,
but
no
no
insults
meant
to
work
towards
the
information
you
gave
me
so
all
right
with
air
having
been
cleared.
We
can
now
move
to
our
consent
agenda.
Please
Elisha.
C
A
F
Yeah
I
just
want
to
observe
I'm
sure
this
is
a
parent
to
all
the
council
members
if
I
just
want
to
observe
for
the
community
that
might
be
watching
that
we
are
actually
if,
if
it,
if
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
and
and
affirmative
vote,
we
would
be
passing
actually
three
alternative
versions
of
a
ballot
measure
that
would
extend
the
0.15
sales
tax,
which
otherwise
would
expire
at
the
end
of
next
year,
and
we
have
a
I
guess,
I'll,
say
a
tradition
or
a
practice
as
Council
and
on
prior
councils,
where,
when
there
are
alternative
ballot
measures,
sometimes
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
pass
all
of
them,
even
though
some
of
them
are
mutually
exclusive
on
first
reading
and
then
we'll
conduct
a
public
hearing
which
I
believe
in
this
case
is
scheduled
for
for
August
3rd
and
then
after
that,
Council
will
need
to
winnow
things
down
and
so
I
hope.
F
B
We've
got
a
motion,
a
second
I'm
actually
going
to
call
on
myself
here
before
we
I
call
for
a
vote,
which
is
I
wanted
to
speak
to
H
here.
This
is
a
little
subtle,
but
I
wanted
to
thank
the
planning
department
and
the
planning
board
for
moving
this
forward.
It's
a
common
sense
measure
to
allow
uses
to
be
valid
for
three
years
after
they're,
initially
approved.
B
N
A
B
AC
Speaking
of
gratitude,
I
just
wanted
to
give
Matt
shazanski
and
his
team
some
credit
for
quickly
taking
on
our
comments
last
week
and
putting
out
a
quick
little
survey
to
some
folks,
I'll
be
at
non-scientific
anecdotal,
mostly
and
perspectives,
but
nonetheless
it
was
nice
to
get
some
of
that
feedback,
and
we
appreciate
man
and
his
team
for
adapting
real,
quick
and
getting
that
out
and
thanks
for
Maria
and
everyone
else
that
did
that
it
was.
AC
C
A
V
V
C
Yes,
sir,
our
call
of
check-ins
are
item
number
four
on
tonight's
agenda.
4A
is
the
vacations
of
a
portion
of
a
five
foot
wide
utility
easement
located
at
2140
Kohler
drive
and
a
portion
of
a
seven
foot
wide
utility
easement
located
at
2060
Kohler
drive.
This
is
referenced
under
case
number,
ADR
2022-00330.
B
C
X
Thank
you
so
much
I'll
say
as
I
frame
the
issue
and
allow
staff
to
settle
in,
as
we
heard
today.
There's
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
item.
It's
an
item
where
certainly
our
cannabis,
licensing
and
Advisory
board
has
heard
from
the
industry.
We
have
not,
however,
really
heard
from
you
all
on
where
you'd
like
us
to
go.
We
have
not
really
heard
a
lot
from
Community
other
than
the
industry
I'm,
so
excited
to
present
the
information
today
and
get
some
direction
on
what
you'd
like
us
to
do.
X
AD
AE
AE
And
I'm
here
today
to
talk
to
you
about
marijuana,
Hospitality
establishments.
I
also
want
to
mention
that
we
did
invite
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
of
the
Cannabis
licensing
and
Advisory
Board
to
attend
today's
meeting.
They
were
not
able
to
attend
so
they
did
nominate
Allison
Bailey
one
of
our
ex-officio
members
of
collab,
to
attend
today's
meeting
and
answer
any
questions
from
Council.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
for
the
board
today,
so
Allison
excuse
me
is
also
present.
AE
So
today's
staff
is
requesting
direction
from
Council
on
the
following
questions.
Does
council
want
staff
to
add
this
topic
to
a
future
work
plan
and
if
so,
what
level
of
public
engagement
would
Council
like
to
see
and
does
council
have
any
general
feedback
on
the
recommendations
from
clab
or
any
direction
for
collab.
AE
Excuse
me,
then,
in
2020,
Council
Forum,
the
Cannabis
licensing
and
Advisory
Board,
otherwise
known
as
clab
to
provide
recommendations
to
Council
on
cannabis,
related
issues.
So
from
2020
to
2023,
Club
has
been
discussing
the
topic
of
marijuana
hospitality
and
developing
their
recommendations
to
council.
They
also
held
two
public
hearings
about
marijuana
Hospitality
during
this
time
frame
and
then
in
April
of
this
year,
clab
submitted
their
final
recommendations
to
Council
in
an
informational
packet.
AE
AE
So
this
slide
outlines
the
different
options
that
are
available
for
Community
engagement.
Due
to
the
controversial
nature
of
the
Cannabis
industry.
Staff
recommends
a
more
impactful
public
engagement
process,
such
as
involve
or
collaborate
which
are
circled
here
in
red
staff,
also
recommends
using
the
city's
racial
Equity
instrument
to
further
guide
the
engagement
process.
AE
So
there
are
many
different
departments
that
would
be
impacted
by
a
new
licensing
program
and
it's
hard
to
assess
the
total
impact
that
this
program
program
would
have
on
the
city.
But
we've
identified
a
list
of
departments
that
would
likely
be
impacted.
The
most
the
finance
department
and
the
Planning
and
Development
Department
would
likely
be
the
most
impacted
by
a
new
licensing
program.
And
you
can
you
can
see
some
of
those
direct
impacts
listed
here.
AE
So,
depending
on
the
direction
received
from
Council
today,
if
Council
directs
us
to
move
forward
with
marijuana
Hospitality,
then
these
would
be
the
next
steps
in
the
process.
We
would
need
to
begin
the
community
engagement
process.
We
would
need
to
coordinate
work
plans
for
all
of
the
impacted
departments.
B
AE
B
So
much
for
that
Kristen
I,
appreciate
that
perhaps
we
could
have
our
collab
representative
just
come,
say
a
few
words
as
well
as
I'd
like
to
honor
their
work
and
their
presence
and
give
you
a
chance
to
to
speak
a
little
bit
here.
AD
For
thanks,
my
name
is
Allison
Bailey
I
use
she
her
hers,
I'm
an
ex-officio
member
of
the
Cannabis
licensing,
Advisory
Board,
so
it
means
I'm,
a
non-voting
member
and
wanted
to.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
consideration
and
to
the
Cannabis
licensing,
cannabis,
licensing
and
Advisory
board
members.
My
fellow
members
spent
a
lot
of
time
listening
to
experts
and
to
public
health
professionals
to
folks
in
the
industry
and
to
some
community
members
about
their
perspectives.
As
you
can
see
in
the
long
memos
that
Kristen
has
provided
you
with.
AD
How
much
work
went
into
these
these
conversations
and
these
votes
and
these
motions
so
really
appreciative
of
Staff,
the
Cannabis
licensing,
Advisory
Board
and
all
of
you
for
your
consideration
and
thoughtful
work
on
this
issue.
B
Questions
for
you
and
then,
as
I
turn
to
council
for
questions
I'll,
just
kind
of
keep
folks
in
mind
that
our
threshold
question
is
whether
we're
putting
it
on
the
work
plan
right
now.
This
is
a
very
detailed
matter,
but
I
think
our
job
tonight
is
not
to
delve
into
all
the
details
of
the
issue
but
about
whether
we're
putting
it
on
the
work
plan.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
you're
asking
your
questions.
A
E
Because,
if
not,
are
we
really
being
asked
to
bind
a
future
Council
as
to
what
their
work
plan
should?
Look
like?
That
seems
a
little
unusual,
or
let
me
rephrase
that
that
would
be
a
bit
unprecedented
and
I.
Don't
think
we
have
the
authority
to
bind
a
future
Council
as
to
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
work
plan.
So
my
first
question
is:
is
it
anticipated
that
that
we're
talking
about,
in
addition
to
our
current
work
plan
or
an
addition
to
the
2024
work
plan,
where
we
should
probably
not
be
meddling.
X
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
mayor,
Pro,
tem,
I
would
say
this
that
part
of
the
part
of
the
direction
we
are
hoping
to
get
is
to
know
how
extensive,
if
Council,
indeed
wants
us
to
move
it
forward
and
how
extensive
that
would
be
likely.
This
is
a
conversation
for
next
year's
work
plan.
The
reality
is,
as
staff
has
indicated,
it
has
impacts
on
a
variety
of
departments.
I
know
in
speaking
to
our
development
planning
and
development
services
director.
X
If,
if
Council
wants
to
put
this
in
the
implication
to
zoning
code,
it
certainly
will
have
to
wait
until
next
year,
but
I
also
know
that
there
are
implications
to
current
Finance
and
to
city
attorney's
work
plan.
So
knowing
how
extensive
that
will
be
will
be
helpful
in
a
scoping
but
likely
it
is
next
year.
Okay,.
E
B
Then
I
have
I
have
one
other
question.
Yes,
you
may
because,
as
to
Mark's
point
I,
like
my
understandings,
that
that
we
we
can't
make
a
final
decision
about
what
happens
in
2024,
so
I
was
my
understanding.
Was
more
of
that.
Our
question
for
this
council
is:
do
we
want
to
add
this
project
to
get
it
started
in
2023.
X
And
I
want
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
I
mean
I,
think
there
are
certain
things
that
we
could
get
started
depending
on
that
we
could
start
to
scope
it
out.
We
can
start
to
think
about
if
there
is
research.
If
there's
additional
questions,
we
need
to
answer,
but
the
work
in
Earnest
and
again
it
depends
on
how
extensive
you
would
like
to
direct
staff.
We
are
likely
not
to
see
a
deep
dive
into
some
of
that
work
until
next
year.
AC
A
AC
Yeah
compound
colic,
we
say
that
10
times
fast,
sort
of
I
guess
where
wherein
is
one
is:
aren't
there
some
items
when
council's
doing
a
work
plan
item
that
staff
is
already
working
on
and
is
it
really
counted
against
our
sort
of
10
items?
So
I'm
wondering
how
or
where,
since
this
is
in
process,
is
this
kind
of
like
a
staff
thing
that
gets
working?
Or
is
this
going
to
have
to
carry
over?
Where
council's
going
to
have
to
pick
this
because
I'm
wondering
where
it
delineates,
because
there's
plenty.
X
That
is
a
a
compound
question
council
member
I'll
sort
of
give
my
opinion
and
I'll.
Let
our
City
attorney
or
staff.
Kick
me
under
the
table
if
I
am
saying
something
for
binding
Us
in
ways
that
are
inaccurate,
but
I'll
say
this.
Certainly
there
are
work
plan
items
that
finish
and
culminate
in
a
council
term,
and
there
are
others
that
carry
over.
X
We
saw
some
of
that,
for
example,
in
the
work
we
have
been
doing
on
University
Hill
and
the
quality
of
life,
not
technically
part
of
the
current
work
plan,
but
it
is
something
that
carries
over
as
a
matter
that
is
of
interest,
and
we
have
not
received
any
direction
to
stop
that.
We
certainly
bring
those
conversations
up
in
the
retreat
as
work
that
is
currently
ongoing.
I
know
you've
heard
some
of
that,
particularly
with
pnds,
that
there
are
trade-offs,
and
perhaps
those
are
conversations
of
what
should
we
stop
doing.
X
That
started
with
one
Council
that
maybe
that
is
not
of
interest
to
a
newer
Council
but
again
I.
Think
hearing
a
little
bit
more
of
what
the
direction
you
would
like
staff
to
go
in
will
help
us
better
scope.
That,
and,
as
we
talk
to
the
next
Council,
we
will
certainly
hear
from
their
priorities
on
how
they
would
like
us
to
move
forward
as
we
move
on
and,
of
course,
nothing
binds
councils.
E
All
right,
my
follow-up
question
is,
as
I
read
the
memo
and
look
at
the
departmental
impacts
on
finance,
Planning
and
Development
fire
police,
Community
engagement
and
the
city
attorney's
office.
My
question
is:
are
these
departments
so
lacking
in
work
and
and
responsibilities
that
they
are
prepared
to
take
on
a
a
new
project
of
this
scope?
I
I
was
unaware.
I
thought
they
were
all
working
as
hard
as
they
could.
Where
have
I
gone
wrong.
E
I
keep
saying
it,
but
it's
still
not
true.
I.
X
Think,
as
always
right,
we
we
get
a
lot
of
Staff.
We
get
a
lot
of
work
that
comes
at
us,
and
questions
that
comes
at
us
in
a
variety
of
directions.
It
is,
is
a.
It
is
one
of
scope.
Certainly,
we
can
think
about
minimum
wage
is,
is
a
is
a
good
example.
I
think
it
is
not
something
on
our
work
plan,
it
is
something
that
has
come
out.
Certainly,
we
have
started
with
exploration
of
that
and
depending
on
where
Council
wants
to
go
and
how
quickly.
X
We
will
then
scope
that
out
appropriately
and
come
back
to
you
on
if
there
are
trade-offs
or
not.
The
same
thing
is
true
of
here:
I
will
say
that
there
is,
there
will
constantly
be
evaluations
of
current
work
and
that
sometimes,
if
there
is
a
stoppage
or
if
there
is
a
delay
in
something
we
have
tried
and
I
encourage
staff.
Hear
me
now
everyone,
as
always
to
to
be
honest
about
those
trade-offs
and
to
be
honest
with
you
about.
X
If
there
are
delays
in
the
work
and
again
we
we
welcome,
and
he
want
to
hear
how
much
of
this
you
do,
because
it
could
be
that
the
scope
that
you
would
like
us
to
think
about
is
small,
and
it
could
be
that
it
is
a
very
large
scope
and
until
we
really
know
where
you
want
us
to
go,
we
will
we.
We
don't
know
exactly
what
can
get
done
if
anything
at
all
at
the
end
of
the
year
or
what
we
can
start
in
this
year
and
then
carry
over
but
trust
me.
D
X
Let
me
kick
that
off
and
I'll
send
it
to
staff
if
they
want
to
have
so.
If
this
is
something
that
Council
wants
us
to
move
forward
there
and
and
depending
again
on
the
scope,
there
are
impacts,
for
example,
any
changes
in
zoning
code.
It's
going
to
require
pnds
to
really
take
a
hard
look
at
that
Community
engagement,
which
does
a
lot
of
work
across
the
organization.
Depending
on
the
scope
of
Engagement.
X
We
will
have
to
create
a
plan
for
that
and
really
start
to
host
a
variety
of
community
meetings
to
talk
more
about
that,
certainly
licensing
will
have
to
be
thinking
and
about
creating
an
entire
new
program.
That
heretofore
has
not
happened,
and
we
will
have
to
think
about
that,
and
that
will
certainly
impact
our
city
attorney's
office.
Who
will
be
helpful
in
thinking
about
how
to
codify
all
of
that
and
help
with
policy
Direction,
so
I
do
think
there
will
be
trade-offs.
X
I
think
there
will
be
delays,
I,
don't
believe
that
we
can
get
a
program.
If
that
is
the
will
of
council
ready
before
I
I,
don't
even
want
to
be
equivocal
about
it.
We
will
not
be
able
to
get
a
program
ready
by
the
end
of
the
year,
but
we
can
certainly
start
to
scope
that
and
move
forward
in
a
direction
and
give
you
sort
of
more
a
better
understanding
of
what
timing
could
look
like
if
this
is
something
that
you
want
to
do.
X
AE
Thank
you,
I
would
agree
with
everything
that
you
said
Maria
in
speaking
to
that
list
of
departments
that
are
likely
going
to
be
impacted
by
this
new
licensing
program.
The
general
consensus
is
that
it's,
it's
really
unlikely
that
any
of
those
departments
would
be
able
to
add
this
project
to
their
2023
work
plans.
AE
F
Yeah
my
questions
are
along
the
same
lines,
and
some
of
them
have
already
been
answered
before,
but
I'm
I'm,
probably
more
confused
now
than
I
was
maybe
10
or
15
minutes
ago.
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
understand
what
percentage
of
the
work
can
be
done
this
year
versus
next
year.
It
sounds
like
vast
vast
percentage
of
it
would
have
to
be
done
in
in
the
future,
and
I
share
my
concern
about
buying
a
future
councils
with
this
Council.
If
there's
a
majority
that
wanted
staff
to
start
working
on,
it
could
start
working
on
it.
F
We
can
start
spending
money
and
and
stop
doing
some
stuff,
I
suppose
this
year.
That
was
already
on
our
work
plan
and
then
the
next
Council
you
know,
gets
sworn
in
in
about
four
months
and
they
said
no,
that's
not
what
we
want
to
do
today.
We
didn't
want
you
to
do
it
or
we
didn't.
We
wanted
to
do
something
completely
different,
so
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
what
efficiency
there
would
be
in
in
starting
this
right
now
and
I.
F
Also,
don't
have
a
very
clear
idea
what
the
trade-offs
are,
because
it
sounds
like
there
would
be
work
to
start
work.
In
other
words,
it
sounds
like
you
guys
have
an
idea
that
there
would
be
a
lot
of
work
that
would
have
to
be
done
just
to
scope.
This
I
don't
know
what
thing
things
that
you're
all
working
on
right
now
that
you'd
have
to
stop
doing
in
order
to
scope
it
to
start
doing
the
work.
F
So
I
I
feel
very,
very
ill
prepared
to
speak
to
any
of
this
tonight,
because
I
just
don't
understand
what
the
trade-offs
are.
I,
don't
really
understand
the
scoping
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
we
would
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
money
starting
to
do
work
that
folks,
that
are
going
to
be
sitting
in
our
chairs
four
months
from
now
may
have
a
very
different
view
on
so
I'm
I'm,
I,
guess:
I'm,
not
really
asking
a
question.
F
I
guess:
I've
started
to
make
a
statement,
I'm
very,
very
puzzled
and
very
If
You
Can
Shed,
any
light
on
on
my
or
or
ease
my
puzzlement.
That
would
be
much
appreciated,
but
it
seems
to
me
like
we're
kind
of
like
really
shooting
in
the
dark
here
at
the
very
end
of
this
Council
and
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
where
we're
going
from
here.
AG
Good
evening
Council
Joel
Wagner
Finance,
deputy
director
council
member
Yates,
that's
it
that's
a
great
question
and
I
think
that
kind
of
gets
to
the
heart
of
of
what
staff
is
struggling
with
here
is
we
have
a
recommendation
from
our
Advisory
Board
and
we're
really
looking
for
Council
feedback
on
how
we
advance
this
work
to
us.
The
community
engagement
is,
is
going
to
be
the
key
part
to
coming
back
to
this
Council
or
a
future
Council
to
help
scope
that
work.
AG
A
lot
of
these
recommendations
that
have
made
are
going
to
significantly
affect
the
number
of
license
applications
that
we
receive
as
I
throw
my
computer
across
the
room.
Excuse
me,
which
will
then
directly
affect
the
the
amount
of
staff
time
involved
in
in
establishing
and
administering
a
licensing
program.
AF
AG
For
some
Council
Direction
on
should
we
start
doing
the
engagement
work
and
come
back
and
also
I
think,
frankly,
understanding
where
council
members
are
on
this,
this
topic
in
general
and
the
Nuance
around
that
and
how
much
work
we
put
into
it.
It
is
going
to
be
a
significant
effort
just
to
get
the
council.
Excuse
me,
the
community
conversation
going,
get
the
input.
We
need
to
be
able
to
make
recommendations
on
implementation,
plans,
resources
and
then
ultimately,
recommendations
for
ordinances.
AG
X
You
Joe,
oh
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
double
down
a
little
bit
and
just
say
that
we
we
as
staff,
want
to
know
a
threshold
question
on.
Is
this
even
something
you
want
us
to
move
forward
on
right
and
consider,
and
we
have
not
heard
that
from
you
and
so
that
triggers
everything
else
as
we
move
forward
or
activates
everything
else
as
we
move
forward,
and
so
that's
a
threshold
question
for
us.
F
Thanks
Maria
thanks
Jill.
That
was
really
helpful.
So
just
to
play
back
to
you,
it
sounds
like
if,
if
this
Council
were
to
guess
I
guess
on
on
a
scope
that
we
think
the
next
Council
might
want,
and
and
so
we
guess-
and
you
guys
start
to
do
a
little
bit
of
work
this
year.
F
Maybe
you
have
to
put
some
other
projects
to
the
side,
as
you
start
to
work
on
whatever
scope
that
we
guess
on
and
then
a
new
Computing
cost
gets
seated
in
four
months
and
they're
going
to
have
a
view
and
I'm.
Maybe
maybe
we'll
guess,
write
a
few
people
that
are
on
this
Council
we'll
be
on
the
next
Council,
and
so
maybe
we'll
guess
right.
F
But
but
we
might
guess
wrong
and
it
sounds
like
if
we
guess
wrong,
then
whatever
scope,
we
we
identify
now
in
July
of
of
2023,
might
be
a
different
Scope
when
the
next
council
is
seated
in
November
December
of
2023,
and
then
that
work
will
have
been
wasted,
and
on
top
of
that
it
sounds
like
it
will
cause
you
to
stop
doing
some
other
things
that
we
did
tell
you
to
do
to
start
to
work
on
a
project
that
may
not
be
a
project
that
goes
forward.
Is
that
did
I?
Get
that
writing
area?
X
I
appreciate
that
council,
member
and
I
well
I
can't
answer
the
the
latter
characterization,
because
I
haven't
been
here
with
enough
changing
councils
to
know
that,
but
I
think
you
got
the
gist
of
what
we
were
trying
to
say.
Thanks.
F
AA
AA
So
let
me
out,
let
me
have
a
few
months
and
also
to
Joel,
like
we've
made
a
lot
of
people
want
to
throw
computers
across
the
room,
so
you're
not
alone
in
that
okay,
but
my
real
questions,
Nuria
I
I
feel,
like
maybe
I,
misunderstood,
something
you
said
I
think
you
said
that
Hill
is
the
hill
work
is
not
on
our
current
work
plan.
I
I,
remember
Mark,
Wallach
and
I,
asking
for
an
out
of
five
to
add
it
to
the
work
plan
in
March
of
2021
and
I.
AA
X
Yep
and
apologies
if
I
confuse
folks,
it
is
not
one
of
the
10
priorities
that
this
new
Council
chose.
It
is
a
carryover
priority
that
happens
in
in
different
ways
from
a
previous
Council,
but
certainly
work
had
been
underway
and
we
continue
to
do
that.
Work,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
we
do
in
the
city
that
has
to
go
and
carry
over
from
a
variety
of
years,
and
that
is
one
of
them,
so
it
remains
something
that
Steph
is
working
on.
X
We
know
that
Council
has
great
interest,
but
it
was
not
to
be
clear
one
of
the
ten
priorities
that
this
Council
chose
at
their
retreating.
If
that
makes,
if
that
clarifies.
AA
A
little
bit
but
I
think
there
are.
There
are
things
that
we
proactively
maintain
on
a
work
plan.
I
think
the
same
is
true
of
Cu
South,
like
I
remember
asking
do
we
have
to
name
that
as
a
priority
in
the
work
plan
or
somehow
you
know
pull
it
off
so
future
councils
do
weigh
in
on
on
work
plan
and
priorities,
continuing
correct
it.
X
Is
correct
and
we
have
that
as
a
city-wide
work
plan
we
as
a
city
staff,
we
share
with
you
what
we
have
already
are
working
on
and
moving
forward.
There
have
been
conversations
in
the
past
year,
for
example.
This
is
what
we're
working
on.
Would
you
like
us
to
stop
or
move
forward
as
we
talk
about
trade-offs,
but
certainly
there's
a
lot
that
we
continue
so
I
think
the
distinction
really
is,
there's
work
that
we
share,
that
we're
already
doing,
and
that
may
be
different
from
the
council
priorities.
X
That
Council
would
like
us
to
move
forward
in
their
interest
as
as
we
talk
at
the
retreat.
But
yes,
all
of
that
work
carries.
AA
Forward,
okay
and
I
I
think
the
same
is
kind
of
true
minimum
wage
because
I
remember
us,
you
know
teeing
that
up
in
20
20
before
the
pandemic,
and
then
I
thought
we
greenlit
at
our
Retreat
for
Lauren
to
to
work
on
that.
So
when
we
say
that
those
things
are
not
on
the
work
plan,
I
feel
like
we're.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
Public's
aware
that
these
things
are
kind
of
proactively,
something
that
this
council
did
in
fact
green
light.
Is
that
accurate?
Well.
X
Some
of
those
conversations
squealed
and
quieted,
and
now
as
they
were
picking
up
the
ask,
was
to
join
the
Consortium
of
cities
to
perhaps
renew
and
again
I
wasn't
part
of
those
conversations.
So
don't
know
if
it
was
a
pause
or
if
it
just
stopped,
and
it
picked
up
again
but
to
renew
those
and
that's
where
we
are
right
now
the
presentation
we
provided
to
you
all
was
really
that
ask
recently
was.
AA
Thanks
and
then
I
think
one
last
question
the
things
that
I
remember:
adding
kind
of
Midstream
like
we're
looking
at
tonight
to
the
work
plan,
either
by
myself
or
a
previous
Council,
were
right.
After
the
hill
Riot,
we
added
the
hill
stuff
after
the
Parkland
shooting
we
added
gun,
violence,
prevention,
assault,
weapons
ban
and
after
when
covet
hit,
we
added
coveted
response.
So
my
question
is
it?
AA
Would
it
be
fair
to
say,
usually
we
add
things
that
are
like
have
a
significant
emergency
kind
of
aspect
to
them,
or
things
that
we
hadn't
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
Think
Through
sort
of
slowly
but
something
erupted,
and
and
that's
why
one
might
do
it
in
the
closing
days.
X
I
won't
respond
to
the
closing
day.
Characterization
and
I
was
not
here
for
any
of
those
as
we
move
forward,
but
my
understanding
from
staff
is
yes
that
traditionally
that
something
happens
it's
unexpected.
There
are
times
when
that
happens.
There
are
conversations
that
are
had
and
when
opportunities-
or
in
these
case
some
tragic
events
or
the
pandemic
happen,
we
do
have
a
conversation
about
what
what
should
we
we
need
to
address
this
now
the
timing
is
ripe.
What
does
that
mean
for
staff?
X
And
we
come
at
you
with
a
really
hopefully
candid
conversation
of
what
we
need
to
pause
or
delay,
and
it's
a
prioritization
conversation
as
well,
so
I
think
it
does
happen,
and
it
we
really
do
defer
to
Council
on
how
you'd
like
to
proceed
on
this.
AA
One
thanks
for
that:
I
also
want
to
add
vaping
kids
started
dying
from
vaping
and
I.
Remember
us
adding
that
as
well
previous
Council,
okay,.
AB
All
right:
well,
thanks
to
Mark,
you
don't
have
to
listen
to
me.
Ask
quite
so
many
questions,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
wondering
is:
is
there
anything
that
we
can
offer
in
our
recommendations
that
would
lessen
the
scope
enough
so
that
this
wouldn't
have
to
be
a
council
work
plan
priority,
for
example,
if
we
gave
guidance
that
we
shouldn't
have
smoking
or
vaping
or
if
we
said,
let's
just
do
a
limited
pilot
of
a
couple
licenses
or
something
would
that
be
enough
to
keep
it
out
of
council
work
plan
priority.
X
I'm
going
to
defer
to
staff
who's
been
thinking
about
this
more
than
I
do,
although
I'm
imagining,
if
it's
even
if
it's
limited
licensing
we'd,
probably
still
have
to
create
a
program
to
do
that
license
so,
whether
it's
one
or
it's
a
hundred
still
have
to
work
on.
What
that
looks
like,
but
Let
me
give
it
to
the
experts
who
really
know
this
work
as
they're
thinking
about
it.
AE
Thank
you.
That
is
correct,
that,
regardless
of
whether
it's
a
small
licensing
program
or
a
large
licensing
program,
all
of
the
work
to
implement
that
would
be
the
same.
What
would
be
reduced
is
the
work
spent
on
processing
the
applications.
If
we
were
to
limit
the
number
of
licenses
that
were
applications,
I
guess
that
we
were
receiving
one
of
the
biggest
questions
we
have
is
around
the
scope
of
community
engagement,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
PowerPoint
staff,
is
recommending
a
more
robust
public
engagement
process.
AE
Given
the
controversial
nature
of
this
topic,
if
Council
were
to
move
forward
with
a
robust
engagement
process,
that
would
require
a
lot
more
staff
resources
than
some
of
the
Lesser
options
available
that
require
fewer
resources.
So,
if
council
could
provide
some
direction
on
the
public
engagement
engagement
piece,
that's
something
that
we
could
likely
begin
this
year
and
get
started
on
that
and
I
think
just
in
general.
We're
just
looking
for
some
direction
as
to
other
council
is
interested
in
exploring
opting
in
or
or
not.
AE
AB
AE
To
be
honest,
I
can
really
only
speak
on
behalf
of
the
finance
department.
I
could
tell
you
that
the
finance
department
we
we
probably
could
make
some
progress
towards
our
particular
the
list
on
our
item
items
on
our
list
this
year.
I
cannot
speak
for
the
other
departments.
That
would
be
impacted
in
the
conversations
I
had
with
them.
The
consensus
I
received
from
them
is
that
they
likely
would
not
have
any
space
on
their
current
work.
AE
Plans
for
this
project,
so
I
bet
I,
wouldn't
I
would
need
to
to
have
some
internal
discussions
with
them
to
see.
If
there's
any
possibility
of
doing
that
this
year,.
B
Y
So
the
city
attorney's
office
would
be
instrumental
in
crafting
ordinances
and
licenses,
and
so
this
would
involve
and
zoning
regulations.
So
this
involves
at
least
two,
if
not
three
attorneys
in
those
efforts,
and
so
I
can
tell
you
that
that,
for
us
we
do
not
currently
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
without
taking
something
off
of
our
plate.
AB
And
and
I
expect,
that
would
be
true,
even
if
we
were
to
say
borrow
a
model
from
Adams,
County
or
Denver,
or
something
another
place
that
has
already
done.
This
we'd
still
be
in
a
similar
spot
that
right.
Y
Yes,
that's
right.
Boulder
has
a
history
of
having
a
very
unique
marijuana
code,
and-
and
so
unfortunately,
we
can't
plug
and
play
with
somebody
else's
ordinance.
I.
Y
AB
And
then
I
I've
just
got
one
one
more
question
just
about
the
history
of
how
this
started
was
it
a
previous
council?
Did
they
task
lab
with
this
or
I
mean?
How
did
this
sort
of
start
in
in
the
first
place?
Was
it
a
previous
Council?
That
said,
we
really
want
to
try
to
figure
this
out
or
how.
AE
Did
that
start
so
in
2020,
the
council
formed
the
Cannabis
licensing
and
Advisory
Board,
and
one
of
the
primary
purposes
of
that
board
was
to
provide
recommendations
to
Council
on
cannabis,
related
matters,
and
this
was
identified
by
the
board
as
a
cannabis
related
matter
that
they
were
interested
in
in
discussing
and
providing
recommendations
on.
So
that's
that's
where
this
all
began
from
okay.
AB
Thank
you,
I
think.
That's
it
thank.
AD
I,
don't
recall
specifically
I
know
there,
we've
heard
from
many
members
of
the
industry
of
their
interest
in
moving
forward
and
feeling
like
Boulder,
was
behind,
but
and
also
career
from
a
lot
of
other
folks
who
felt
like
it
was
important
that
the
council
gave
direction
to
not
move
forward
on
this.
So
I,
don't
recall
specifically
whether
it
was
hopes
for
2023
or
2024
I.
Think
that
the
biggest
Hope
was
for
some
some
direction
from
from
Council.
O
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
a
question
or
probably
a
comment,
because
I
heard
from
the
CD
manager
that
if
we
decide
to
obtain
there
are
several
processes
with
pnds
Community
engagement
and
Licensing,
but
we
could
potentially
have
a
smaller
opt-in
process
from
what
I'm
hearing,
which
is
just
the
scoping
But.
Ultimately
regardless.
That
would
be
the
question
before
us.
At
least
in
my
mind,
is:
do
we
up
and
or
do
we
opt
out
and
opt-in
doesn't
preclude
Us
opting
in
in
the
future?
Does
it.
AE
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
tonight
is
some
direction
on
whether
Council
would
like
to
explore
opting
in
and
if
you
would
like
to
explore
that.
It's
not
necessarily
a
commitment
to
opt-in,
but
maybe
for
us
to
begin
that.
Robust
Community
engagement
process
collect
some
more
information
and
then
present
that
to
council
to
review
and
making
that
ultimate
decision.
As
to
whether
or
not
you'd
like
to
opt
in.
X
And
Chris
Christian
just
a
quick
question:
if,
if
we
don't
have,
if
we
don't,
if
Council
chooses
and
certainly
not
trying
to
direct
in
this
way,
but
if
Council
chooses
not
to
explore
this
currently
and
leave
this
for
the
next
Council,
would
we
be
precluded
from
exploring
this
next
year
or
other
or
preacher
councils.
AC
A
AC
To
maybe
try
to
bring
us
to
some
resolution
here
on
this
first
question,
but
first,
just
we'll
clarify
a
couple
things
sort
of
around
engagement
to
see.
If
that
can
get
us
where
we
need
to
go
I
think
first
modifying
the
scope
so
that
it
doesn't
fit
on
the
work
plan.
AC
I
think
that's
an
uncomfortable
state
to
be
in,
because
engagement
is
the
first
thing
we
lean
on
especially
like
running
it
through
the
racial
Equity
instrument,
so
I
think
there's
certainly
steps
before
we
run
that's
critical,
so
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
trip
ourselves
on
that
one,
but
with
regards
to
public
engagement
and
Joe
I
think
you
maybe
mentioned
that
we
could
embark
on
engagement,
whereas
other
departments
certainly
have
to
give
up
work
to
start
that
work
in
this
cycle.
AC
This
work
plan
did
I,
hear
that
perhaps
engagement
could
get
started
on
this
Outreach
with
hiring
a
consultant.
That
doesn't
mean
we're
sacrificing
engagement,
work,
that's
already
in
process.
So
is
this
a
step
we
could
take
without
sacrificing
anything
to
keep
the
ball
rolling
because
engagement
eye
view
doesn't
box
Us
in
with
any
future
councils?
It's
actually
just
further
empowers
them
with
more
information
from
which
to
then
make
ultimate
decisions
from
so
I.
Just
want
to
understand
that
engagement
step,
not
impacting
any
current
work
from
the
engagement
team.
A
AG
Right,
thank
you
for
the
question
I'm
going
to
answer
it.
This
way,
I
think
we
could,
if
Council
gave
us
direction
that
they
wanted
us
to
start
the
engagement.
We
could
certainly
start
the
engagement
planning,
we're
going
to
have
to
lean
on
our
colleagues
and
engagement,
and
we
may
need
to
bring
in
resources
so
that
they
can
continue
all
the
other
important
engagement
work,
they're
doing,
but
yeah
I
think
we
could
certainly
start
engagement,
work
and
engagement,
planning,
work,
I
should
say
if
Council
gave
us
that
direction.
Just.
X
To
further
I
got
a
note
from
our
engagement
team,
they
can
certainly
help
to
help
scope
with
staff
and
hire
a
consultant
to
begin
something
for
this
year.
They
themselves
could
probably
support
engagement
directly
next
year,
and
so,
if
it's
a
desire
to
move
forward,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
more
in
the
vein
of
a
consultant
this
year
and
staff
next
year.
Okay,.
B
Z
Z
X
AA
I,
look
for
a
concern
around
homelessness
and
sanctioned
encampments
and
things
back
at
our
midterm,
Retreat
and
I.
Don't
think
I've
seen
anything
on
that,
so
just
wondering
what
is
the
process
for
getting
a
consultant
and
how
long
does
that
take
and
how
much
staff
time
is
involved
like
often
when
you're
trying
to
delegate
work,
you
know
or
preppa
and
say
an
intern
or
someone
who's
assisting
to
to
do
work?
It's
not!
It's
not!
No
work
for
the
person
supervising
so
I
just
wanted
to
understand
sounds
like
it's
not
free.
AA
X
Yeah
and
I'll
say
it
is
not,
it
is
not
completely
free
time
and
it
it
sort
of
it's
not
the
it's,
not
the
most
satisfactory
answer,
but
it
depends
there
is
there
are
times
when
Consultants
can
take.
A
very
discreet
item
have
a
bit
of
sort
of
onboarding.
X
If
you
will
about
the
topic
and
be
able
to
craft
something
and
move
forward
on
their
own,
there
are
other
times
with
the
complexity
of
the
work
and
the
fact
that
it
really
needs
to
have
knowledge
and
input
and
expertise
from
the
staff
that
is
overseeing
or
charged
with
whatever
it
is
that
whatever
topic
is
happening,
makes
it
frankly
less
feasible
and
less
practical
to
have
a
consultant,
because
the
team
has
to
be
there
anyway
to
do
some
of
that
work,
so
the
it
depends
is,
is
not
satisfactory,
but
it
really
does
in
certain
cases.
X
This
is
one
in
which
really
the
issues
are
fairly
clear
and
narrow.
It's
about
scoping
an
engagement
plan
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
you
the
information
that
you
need.
We,
of
course,
would
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
engagement
plan,
a
consultant
uses
is
informed
by
our
racial
Equity
instrument
as
well,
so
that
we
bring
that
forward,
but
it
is
and
again
I'll
have
staff
metaphorically
kick
me
under
the
table
if
I
commit
them
to
something
that
they
want
to
correct.
X
But
it
is
to
me
a
more
discreet,
a
more
discreet
item
and
council
member.
You
asked
me
about
the
consultant
on
homelessness
and,
to
be
honest,
as
I
sit
here,
I'm
trying
to
remember
the
where
that
stands
and
what
has
been
done
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
get
back
to
you
all
on
on
that.
But
it
just
really
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
work.
X
AA
Thanks
and
my
other
question
and
I
see
Bob's
hands
up,
so
maybe
this
is
where
he
was
going
to
go
as
well
as
the
engagement
subcommittee
co-member
with
me,
but
would
we
expect
that
the
engagement
team
would
have
an
inordinate
amount
of
work
coming
down
the
pike
in
the
next
few
months?
Due
to
this,
you
know,
National
level,
Engagement
review
that
our
City's
undergoing
right
now.
AA
Just
we
just
signed
on
to
be
like
a
pilot
City
for
kind
of
reimagining,
Engagement
and,
and
you
know,
and
in
my
role,
both
as
engagement
subcommittee
and
a
person
who's
involved
in
that
project
from
Council.
It
looks
to
me
like
that,
will
take
a
fair
amount
of
time
over
the
next
six
months
for
our
engagement
team
I'm
wondering
if
you,
if
you
know
that
to
be
accurate
or
not
I,.
X
Think
that
is
absolutely
accurate,
but
even
within
the
engagement
team
there
are
different
folks
that
perform
different
kinds
of
functions:
I'm,
understanding
from
Brenda
I'm
gonna
out
you
and,
if
you're
around
to
let
us
know
if
I'm,
seeing
something
that
is
wrong.
X
But
Brenda's
team
is
available
to
help
scope
out
a
Consulting
contract
and
get
that
moving,
but
they
would
not
be
able
to
actually
perform
the
engagement
work
itself
until
next
year.
Brenda
am
I
committing
you
in
a
wrong
way.
No.
G
That's
true
and
I'm.
Sorry
Council
I
was
not
necessarily.
Oh,
my
camera
turned
off.
Hopefully
you
can
hear
me.
Yes,
I
was
not
totally
prepared
to
speak
tonight,
but
I
did
have
some
great
conversations
with
Kristen
about
this
project,
and
so
I
am
somewhat
versed
in
in
what
this
could
and
might
look
like
and
happy
to
share
also
about
sort
of
our
total
landscape
and
engagement.
G
That
is
a
big
project
Rachel,
and
it
is
one
of
many
projects
that
our
team
is
working
on
at
the
moment,
particularly
during
this
time
of
year,
as
you
can
imagine,
there's
a
a
deadline
coming
up
in
all
of
your
and
our
lives
in
the
middle
of
November,
and
many
issues
are
hoping
to
come
to
council
before,
while
it's
this
Council
right,
and
so
many
of
those
projects
involve
some
level
of
Engagement
that
many
staff
members
across
the
organization
work
on
and
our
team
often
helps
at
some
level,
and
so
we
do
have
a
busy
calendar
from
now
through
the
end
of
the
year.
G
That
said,
we
are
always
able
to
sit
and
help
with
crafting
what
bringing
another
partner
on
could
look
like.
There
aren't
always
funds
for
a
consultant,
so
that's
also
I
think
part
of
an
engagement
scope.
Question
is:
do
those
funds
exist
to
hire
a
consultant
and
if
they
do
or
if
they
don't
could
funds
be
reallocated
for
that,
sometimes
in
a
controversial
subject,
it's
helpful
to
have
a
third
party
consultant
leading
those
conversations,
but
that's
something
that
that
the
project
team
would
need
to
determine.
G
Should
they
want
to
move
ahead
forward
and
move
quickly.
I
could
help
with
that
hiring
a
consultant
process.
Should
they
have
a
longer
runway
on
this
project,
then
it'll
be
easier.
The
more
time
we
have
the
easier
it
is
for
us
to
balance
our
workloads
as
a
full
team
to
make
sure
that
we're
supporting
departments
in
the
ways
that
they
need
us.
O
Yeah,
thank
you,
I'm
thinking,
it's
a
bit
hard
to
answer
this
question,
or
at
least
for
me
as
I'm
thinking
we're
going
around
the
question
a
bit
as
well.
What
would
be
the
purpose
if
we
were
to
say?
Oh
okay,
we're
not
opting
in
right
now,
let's
do
community
engagement
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
would
be
the
purpose
of
this
engagement.
Is
it
to
engage
with
industry,
or
is
it
to
ask
the
community
whether
we
should
opt
in
or
opt
out
as
a
council?
Thank
you.
X
B
X
X
Perhaps
tonight,
but
we
have
not
heard
from
community
at
large
right,
and
so
we
have
not.
We
pride
ourselves
in
Boulder
to
really
being
thoughtful
about
the
engagement
that
we
do.
We
may
not
always
get
it
right,
but
Our
intention
is
always
to
engage
with
community,
and
that
is
if
this
is
something
the
threshold
question
again.
If
this
is
something
that
you
would
like
us
to
consider
and
move
forward
and
get
more
information
about,
we
start
with
with
engagement,
and
that
is
what
we'd
like
to
know.
F
It
sounds
like
we've
narrowed
this
first
question
down
to
a
much
smaller
question
which
is:
do
we
want
to
instruct
staff
to
engage
a
consultant
to
start
some
sort
of
con
some
sort
of
community
engagement
which
may
start
later
this
year
or
early
next
year?
F
So
my
question
is:
is
do
you
need
if
you
were
to
do
that?
If
staff
was
to
do
that
to
go
out
and
hire
a
consultant
to
start
some
sort
of
community
engagement
in
a
few
months?
Would
you
need
from
us
some
degree
of
scoping?
In
other
words,
is
all
Community
engagement
the
same?
It
doesn't
really
matter
what
we're
talking
about,
or
does
it
kind
of
matter
the
size
of
this
project,
because
I
haven't
gotten
to
the
size
of
what
this
would
be,
and
maybe
we
won't
get
to
that
tonight.
F
I,
don't
know,
but
my
question
is:
is:
does
the
scope
matter
on
what
type
of
what
kind
of
of
community
engagement
you
do?
It's
been
a
matter
of
fact
you
may
even
impact
who
you
hire
as
your
consultant.
So
would
you
need
a
scoping
decision
from
us
in
order
to
go
out
and
hire
a
consultant,
because
that
would
dictate
what
that
consultant
does
by
way
of
community
engagement.
F
And
if
we
thanks
for
that
Christian
and
if,
if
we,
if
we
gave
you
a
scope
of
some
sort
tonight-
and
you
went
out
and
hired
a
consultant
over
the
next
few
months
and
and
in
Reliance
upon
what
we
tell
you
tonight
and
the
next
Council
comes
in
in
November
December
and
says
no,
no,
no,
we
want
something
completely
different
I
assume
that
you'd
have
to
kind
of
adjust
with
that
consultant
or
maybe
iron.
F
AB
All
right,
I
am
not
supportive
of
moving
forward
at
this
time,
and
for
me
that
also
includes
engagement
without
us
or
future
Council.
Putting
this
as
a
priority
I
don't
think
this
is
where
we
should
be
spending
staff
and
Community
time
and
money
right
now.
AB
I
really
wish
that
we
didn't
have
so
many
pressing
issues
that
we're
trying
to
deal
with
for
me:
I
really
dislike
trading
alcohol
and
marijuana
so
differently
as
we
do
with
our
regulations,
but
we
also
have
to
be
realistic
about
our
staff's
workload
and
Community
priorities
and
I'd
like
to
say
us
see
us
stay
focused
on
the
work
that
councils
have
already
committed
to
and
the
work
that
we
know
the
community
wants
to
prioritize
I
think
we
saw
a
poll.
AB
AB
If
we're
going
to
spend
more
time
on
something
to
me,
it
seems
like
it's
more
on
affordability,
affordable
housing,
raising
the
minimum
wage,
climate
crisis,
mental
health
addiction
and
more
support
services
for
people
experiencing
homelessness.
So
for
me
this
this,
it
just
doesn't
rise
to
that
level
and
I
really
wish
that
we
had
more
resources
all
around
to
to
deal
with
some
of
these
other
issues.
I
just
don't
think
that's
the
reality
of
where
we
are
right
now.
So
I
am
not
supportive
of
this.
Despite
other
feelings,.
AC
AC
Do
we
opt-in
or
opt
out
and
I
get
credit
to
collab
they've
worked
on
this
for
two
years
and
to
just
sort
of
Full
Stop,
we'll
see
I'm,
not
sure
that
totally
honors
the
work
of
of
a
very
capable
board
and
I
think
we
owe
it
to
them
to
at
least
come
to
a
decision
on
this
at
some
point
it's
going
to
have
to
be
next
year,
probably
I
hope
we
can
just
come
to
some
resolution,
but
I'd
love
to
see
us
try
to
get
some
engagement,
because
that
is
the
first
step
to
answering.
AC
E
I
I
would
take
a
different
approach.
First
of
all,
the
question
does
council
want
to
want
staff
to
add
this
project
to
a
future
work
plan.
E
We
are
incapable
of
adding
it
to
a
future
work
plan
that
is,
for
the
future
and
for
the
future
Council
I'm,
even
reluctant
to
employ
a
consultant,
the
cost
of
which
may
be
entirely
wasted.
If
that
is
the
will
of
the
the
2024
Council
I
hadn't
not
been
aware
that
we
were
so
Awash
in
funds
that
we
could
hire
consultants
for
engagement
for
a
project
that
may
never
see
the
light
of
day.
I.
Think
yes,
I
agree
with
Matt
at
some
point.
E
We're
going
to
have
to
make
that
decision
to
opt
in
or
opt
out,
but
I
also
believe
that
is
a
2024
question,
so
I
I,
you
know
I
I,
think
in
trying
to
do
something
here.
We're
attempting
to
put
our
fingerprints
on
work
that
properly
belongs
to
the
next
Council
and
I
would
leave
it
to
them.
I,
don't
believe
that
dishonor
is
the
work
of
clab
I
I'm.
You
know,
I've
I
have
read
the
staff
memo
I,
you
know.
E
I
can
see
the
work
that's
gone
into
it,
but
it
comes
at
a
point
in
time
when
we
ought
not
to
be
proceeding
on
it.
As
we
have
so
many
other
priorities
and
as
Nuria
has
informed
me,
his
staff
is
actually
fully
engaged
with
work
items.
B
AA
Thanks
I'll
thanks
staff
for
the
presentation
and
collab
representative
for
being
here,
I,
so
I
kind
of
disagree
with
the
the
starting
premise
that
we
actually
do
ever
have
to
decide.
This,
like
I,
think
if
we
don't
decide
whether
to
opt
in
or
out
we're
out
so
I
mean.
If
we
want
to
look
at
opting
in,
then
we
have
to
answer
the
question,
but
I
don't
know
that
any
Council
ever
actually
has
to
add
this
to
the
work
plan.
AA
If
there
are
other
things
that
they
want
to
prioritize,
then
this
I
don't
think
ever
needs
to
Impact
Staff
time.
So
just
put
that
out
there
that
I'm
not
sure
that
24
25.
You
know
I
think
that
that
there
are
a
lot
of
communities
who
are
kind
of
waiting
to
see
how
it
unfolds
in
other
communities.
I
know
that
there
are,
you
know
strong
Advocates
on
both
sides
of
it
and
and
I
I.
Think
it's
it's
a
perfectly
appropriate
not
to
answer
that
question
anytime
soon
or
a
perfectly
good
option.
AA
I
I
also
think
it
would
be
really
weird
to
hire
a
consultant
for
something
that's
not
on
the
work
line.
Like
when
I
think
of
the
Consultants
that
I've
worked
with,
it's
been
like
on
the
the
hill,
we
had
a
consultant.
You
know
do
that
multi
years
when
that
was
on
the
work
plan,
something
that
was
Daisy,
that
we
knew
we
wanted
to
look
at
was
the
downtown
streets
after
West,
Pearl
and
and
I.
AA
Think
a
consultant
was
pulled
in
there
to
do
some
research,
so
that
makes
sense
to
me,
but
but
having
a
consultant
for
something
that
that
is
a
a
decent
expenditure
of
funds
from
what
I
can
tell
for
something
that
we
don't
even
know.
If
anybody
wants
to
look
at
would
be,
and
in
my
experience
an
odd
thing
for
the
city
to
do
so.
AA
I
would
not
even
hire
a
consultant
for
scoping
until
any
Council
decides
that
they
want
to
look
at
the
question
of
whether
to
have
dinner
out
proactively.
So
I
definitely
don't
want
to
add
it
to
our
work
plan.
AA
As
I
said
earlier,
I
think
the
things
that
I've
seen
as
as
late
closing
days,
adds
to
the
work
plan
have
been
sort
of
responding
to
crises
or
things
that
are
really
escalated
and
serious,
and
this
is
something
that
we
could
have
decided
in
January
2022
that
we
wanted
to
prioritize
and
we
didn't
and
we
knew
about
it
because
we
had
you
know
it
was.
It
was
known.
AA
You
know
a
known
issue:
the
state
had
already
passed
a
law
that
allowed
Abdi
in
it
and
we
didn't
so
I
appreciate
that
that
clab
took
the
initiative
to
look
at
that,
but
that
does
not
create
an
emergency
on
our
part.
To
take
action
on
that
recommendation,
so
I
don't
think
we're
dishonoring.
We
didn't.
We
didn't
ask
for
this
to
come
to
us
exactly
and
I.
Think
it's
okay
for
us
to
say
thank
you
for
the
work.
AA
We
don't
want
to
act
on
it
right
now
and
and
a
future
Council
will
have
those
recommendations.
Z
Yeah,
this
is
one
of
these
questions
where
I
have
no
doubt
I
can't
see
both
sides
right
now.
I
can
only
see
one
side
for
the
first
time
in
a
long
time.
So,
first
of
all,
I
don't
want
to
speed
up
engagement.
So
rushing
through
engagement
is
such
a
big
topic.
Is
this
I?
Don't
think
it's
a
good
idea?
I
agree
with
Rachel
that
we
should
only
do
this
when
it's
an
emergency.
Covid
was
an
emergency
like
Nicole
said
housing,
climate
minimum
wage
is
more
of
an
emergency.
Z
Honestly,
nobody
has
this
on
their
emergency
list,
I'm
sure.
Well,
maybe
a
few
people,
the
businesses,
which
is
nothing
wrong
with
that.
But
you
know,
let's
be
honest
about
that.
One.
The
next
thing
is
is
react,
reallocation
of
funds
for
a
consultant,
no
I,
don't
want
to
reallocate
funds,
don't
want
to
add
any
more
more
work
to
Planning
and
Development.
They
have
a
backlog
in
permitting
and
approvals
are
ready.
So
why
would
we
do
this?
F
I'm
going
to
be
the
fifth
person
to
say
that
I
do
not
think
we
should
move
forward,
at
least
on
this
Council
I'm,
going
to
join
Rachel
and
Nicole
and
Mark
and
Tara
and
say
that
we
do
not
want
to
rush
to
engagement.
This
is
not
an
emergency.
This
law
has
been
out
there
for
a
long
long
time.
As
Rachel
said,
we
are
not
required
to
do
anything,
opt-in
or
opt
out.
There's
no
decision,
that's
in
front
of
us.
F
A
future
Council
may
want
to
opt
in
and
if
they
do
they're
going
to
scope,
this
I
don't
know
how
we
could
possibly
tell
staff
to
hire
a
consultant
to
start
engagement
on
a
project
that
we
can't
predict
what
the
scope's
going
to
be
on
I
mean
we
can
come
up
with
a
scope
ourselves,
I
suppose,
but
by
the
time
this
consultant
gets
hired
and
just
starts
to
do
the
work
late
this
year.
The
next
Council
will
be
seated.
F
They'll
undoubtedly
have
a
different
scope,
then,
whatever
we
come
up
with
today,
so
I
I,
don't
see
any
like
I
want
to
thank
clap.
They
did
tremendous
work.
I
really
appreciate
the
recommendations
that
work
is
not
wasted.
That's
a
gift
to
the
next
Council,
so
I
really
really
appreciate
what
cloud
did
that
was
very,
very
thoughtful
on
their
part.
I
think
we
hand
that
package
of
really
really
great
work
to
the
next
Council.
F
So
I
just
think
that
in
July
of
a
closing
Council
Late
July
of
closing
Council
to
to
go
out
and
hire
a
consultant
for
a
project,
we
don't
even
know
what's
going
to
be
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense,
so
I'm,
the
fifth.
No
on
that
one.
This
could
be
a
five
to
four
vote,
but
I
I,
don't
see
any
support
for
by
a
major
party
got.
D
Thanks
so
I,
don't
think
that
this
is
unprecedented.
We
have
boards
and
commissions
bring
things
forward.
You
know
we're
reevaluating,
the
police
oversights,
enabling
ordinance
like
people
bring
things
forward
to
council
that
we
then
choose
to
work
on.
It
doesn't
sound
like
we're
going
to
do
that
here,
but
that
is
something
that
we
often
choose
to
do.
As
was
mentioned,
we've
really
only
heard
from
two
groups.
You
know
we've
heard
from
the
business
advocacy
community
and
we've
heard
from
sort
of
the
medical
industry,
and
that
leaves
a
huge
amount
of
unknown.
D
In
my
mind,
I
I
know
I
personally
believe
in
marijuana
being
safer
than
alcohol
and
I
would
like
to
see
Hospitality
alternatives
to
bars
just
because
that
it
you
know
that
is
a
difficult
thing
in
our
society.
Right
now
and
I
can
understand
why
people
don't
want
to
see
that,
but
I
would
like
to
understand
in
more
detail
what
our
larger
Community
thinks
about.
That
I
would
like
to
see
a
consult,
involve
sort
of
initial
stage
of
Engagement.
That
would
be
narrow
to
look
at
a
just
sort
of
that
entry-level
question
of.
D
Is
this
something
that
the
community
is
interested
in?
Having
us
Explore,
More
and
as
Bob
says
that
information
would
not
be
wasted?
That
would
be
a
gift
to
the
next
Council.
D
So,
even
if
we
don't
vote
to
move
this
forward
tonight,
I
would
also
just
like
to
bring
forward
something
Nuria
offered
that
we
could
do,
which
would
be
to
have
staff
bring
this
forward
to
the
next
Council
as
a
possible
work
plan
item
I
think
that
that
might
be
something
that
we
could
potentially
get
behind.
Even
if
we
can't
move
forward
on
engagement
right
now,.
X
Thank
you,
and
if
this
is
not
moving
forward
and
there
is
interest
in
Council,
we
can
certainly
share
this
with
the
new
Council
share.
This
conversation
with
a
new
Council
share
as
we
onboard
a
new
council
with
with
the
conversations
that
the
previous
Council
have
had.
We
can
certainly
lift
that
up.
B
Thanks
so
calling
myself
just
agree
with
the
majority
of
our
of
my
colleagues
that
were
too
late
in
the
game
with
this
Council
and
we're
too
busy
to
add
a
significant
item
to
this
year's
work
plan,
which
we
couldn't
get
very
far
on
anyway,
but
agree
that
this
is
certainly
a
potential
for
a
future
Council.
And
so
I
can
look
to
my
colleagues
who
are
guaranteed
to
to
persist
into
that
Council
and
say
that
the
retreat
next
year.
This
is
something
that
anyone
can
can
bring
up
for
consideration
and
Allison.
B
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
with
us
tonight
and
I
want
to
give
a
really
huge.
Thank
you
to
the
collab
as
a
whole,
because
you
all
did
an
enormous
amount
of
work
to
arrive
at
this
recommendation,
which
was
very
detailed
with
many
motions
with
a
variety
of
votes
on
them,
and
they
were
very
well
explained
by
the
different
club
members.
So
I
just
really
want
to
honor
that
work
that
they
all
did
really
appreciate
it
and
echo.
B
AA
I,
do
I
actually
have
concerns
about
staff
bringing
this
forward
rather
than
a
council
member
for
the
next
Council
give
it
sort
of
an
imprintour
of
this
Council
wanting
that
to
happen,
and
that
is
I
think
that
you
know
at
least
the
way
we
did
it
this
year,
like
you
get
five
priorities
and
it
sounds
like
maybe
Lauren.
This
would
be
one
of
yours,
so
I
don't
think
this
should
come
from
a
staff
and
Elevate
that,
as
like
an
additional
you
know,
somebody
gets
a
sixth
priority
brought
by
staff.
AA
That
just
seems
not
Equitable
and
and
would
be
concerning
to
me
that
it
might
for
people
who
aren't
watching
this
meeting.
They
might
not
have
the
real
sense
of
what
the
discussion
was.
If
staff
brings
it,
it
might
look
like
it's
something.
We
really
wanted
them
to
consider
and
I.
AA
Don't
know
that
I
got
that
impression
from
tonight
and
and
if
we're
gonna,
you
know
if
we
can
just
like
ask
for
staff
to
bring
stuff
to
the
next
Council
I'd
have
a
list
of
a
lot
of
things
that
I
would
want
to
put
out
there.
So
if
you're
opening
that
door,
you
can
know
that
I'm
going
to
come
back
with
with
a
good
list
for
staff
to
to
bring
to
the
next
Council,
so
I
I
I
have
concerns
there.
I.
X
I
want
to
say
that
mostly
it's
a
and
we've
been
thinking
and
considering
how
to
onboard
new
Council
as
they
come
forward,
and
certainly
we
will
be
talking
about
the
work
staff
is
currently
doing
the
work
that
carries
over
if
any
or
the
work
that
this
Council
has
asked
us
to
do,
but
likely
we
will
also
be
talking
about
what
else
have
we
been
discussing
or
Council
has
discussing
that
has
been
of
interest,
but
no
obligation,
certainly
not
a
requirement
that
we
are
lifting
up
as
a
work
plan
item
as
much
as
just
sharing
with
the
new
Council,
what
those
conversations
have
been
and
where
that
interest
lives
or
does
not,
because
there
are
several
items
that
have
been
of
interest
to
council
that
we
have
not.
X
AA
Have
not
landed
on
so
that's
fair,
I
guess.
I
would
say,
though,
that,
like
you
know
out
of
equity
like
anybody.
I
was
on
the
losing
side
of
adding
to
the
work
plan,
or
you
know
my
my
suggestions
for
work
plan
that
were
mostly
rejected
over
all
the
Retreats
I
would
think
those
all
get
to
be
added
to
things
that
were
discussed.
So
that's
a
can
of
worms
that
again
I
I
think
that
that
you'd
want
to
be
very
careful
of
prioritizing.
One
thing
that
we
discussed
you'd
have
to
include.
AA
X
Appreciate
that,
and
certainly
not
looking
to
go
back
years,
wanting
to
really
be
thoughtful
about
the
work
of
this
term
and
wanting
to
be
able
to
share
information
in
as
neutral
a
way
as
possible,
but
certainly
appreciate
them.
Nicole.
B
Or
are
we
done
here?
Well
we're
not
quite
done
here
so
I
guess
we
can
any
other
thoughts
on
this
question.
Seeing
none
then
do
you
all
have
what
you
need
from
us.
AE
We
do
thank
you.
There
were
a
total
of
three
questions.
The
second
one
here
doesn't
necessarily
apply
at
this
point,
but
I
did
want
to
raise
the
third
one.
I
think
we've
we've
already
gone
over
this,
but
if
Council
does
have
any
additional
feedback
on
the
recommendations
for
collab
or
any
direction
for
a
collab,
so.
B
B
Kristen,
a
very
fine
job
on
your
first
setting
with
Council
I
was
that
was
that
was
a
lot
of
tough
questions
that
you
handled
very
directly.
Thank.
AE
B
AB
Thank
you.
So
this
was
this.
This
whole
discussion
just
kind
of
brings
up
for
me
a
question
related
to
the
board
of
commissions,
consultant
and
sort
of
the
process,
and
things
that's
going
on
right.
AB
Now
is
the
process
that
brought
us
to
this
discussion
tonight
and
to
the
two
years
of
work
on
Council
anything
that
we
can
get
feedback
on
from
that
project,
because
this
is
a
discussion
that
was
started
by
club
and
it
went
on
for
two
years
involving
researchers,
Public
Health
experts,
parents,
businesses
and
more
and
I
really
appreciate
that
work
and
the
fact
that
the
previous
Council
on
our
Council
never
bought
in
led
to
two
years
of
work
that
is
now
paused
for
for
a
bit.
So
it
just
is
there?
AB
Is
there
anything
in
that
Warden
commissions
project,
just
sort
of
related
to
this
process?
And
it's
not
for
answering
tonight
I'm
just
I'm
curious.
If
that's
that's
something,
we
could
get
a
little
bit
of
feedback
on,
because
that
seems
like
a
lot
of
work
before
Council
kind
of
got
to
it
and
and
had
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
how
it
fits
in
with
priorities.
I.
X
Can
be
quick
about
it
and
say
that
I
believe
there
is
that
part
of
the
work
that
we've
asked
is
Broad,
but
also
about
not
just
taking
a
look
at
our
the
boards
and
commissions
work
in
general,
but
also
looking
at
scope
and
looking
at
how
that
scope
has
arrived
and
whether
or
how
better
to
strengthen
and
tighten
the
work
of
our
boards
and
commissions
to
the
council,
priorities
at
hand
versus
going
extemporaneously
outside
of
that
which
then
commits
resources.
We've
got
certainly
language
in
our
code
about
that.
X
Thank
you
so
much
Council
and
we
are
pleased
to
come
before
you.
We
know
that
this
was
a
question.
Councilmember
Joseph
asked
for
CAC
to
have
our
Chief
calderazo
and
our
director
Ali
Rhodes
are
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Boulder
Creek.
Clearly
we
have
had
this
summer,
some
tragic
events,
and
we
are
so
sorry
to
hear
of
them.
So
sorry
for
families
who
are
dealing
with
some
of
these
tragedies.
AF
Thank
you
nura
good
evening,
Council
Mike
calderazzo
fire
chief
I'd,
like
to
add
some
some
comments
to
anuria's
about
the
tragic
events
as
well.
You
know
our
hearts
go
out
to
the
victims.
Families
and
I
personally
appreciate
the
work
of
the
First
Responders
and
the
others
who
actually
helped
them
in
these
incidents
that
were
not
First
Responders
but
were
just
helpful
to
them.
The
outcome
was
not
what
any
of
us
wanted
and
I,
even
in
speaking
with
the
crews.
AF
I
think
we
all
agree
that
even
one
drowning
is
one
too
many
in
any
of
our
waterways
and
so
we're
we're
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
share
a
little
a
few
thoughts
this
evening
about
safety
around
our
waterways
and
talk
a
little
about
what
happens
today,
what
we're
contemplating
and
then
hopefully,
maybe
some
answers
some
questions
from
Council,
so
I'll
start
with
kind
of
what
what
the
emergency
response
picture
looks
like.
AF
So,
if
a
if
an
event
occurs
in
the
creek
or
we
get
a
911
call,
it's
it's
normal
for
us
to
respond
multiple
units,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
Swift
water,
it's
hard
to
figure
out
where
the
person
is
in
the
water,
especially
if
they're
moving,
and
so
we
end
up
in
many
times.
AF
It
isn't
our
normal
practice
to
have
responders
waiting
along
the
Creeks,
no
matter
what
the
creek
flow
is,
and
so
a
lot
of
times
when
there's
an
event.
It
is
typically
either
a
bystander
or
some
other
respond
or
Community
responder
that
ends
up
helping,
and
then
we
get
the
responders
to
the
scene
depending
on
where,
where
the
incident
actually
is,
we
could
have
even
county
level
responders
coming
with
us
we're
part
of
a
regional
Cooperative
when
it
comes
to
Swift
water.
AF
It
is
practice,
though,
for
certain
events
during
the
year
for
us
to
staff
up
Swiftwater
technicians,
like
you
see
here
in
this
picture,
things
like
tube
to
work
day,
we'll
put
key
players
along
the
creek
just
in
case,
but
it
but
I
I
want
to
emphasize
it
takes
us
a
while
to
get
to
the
creek
to
find
somebody
who
may
be
moving
to
even
do
what
you
see
in
these
pictures
and
get
them
out
of
the
creek,
and
so
it's
it
is
always
a
difficult
Prospect
to
get
them
out
quickly
and
that's
something
we're
fighting.
AF
We
fight
with
every
incident,
so
I
want
to
make
that
clear
up
front.
So
here's
some
of
the
protocols
that
we
use
right
now.
It
is
our
practice
to
follow
what
the
county
sheriff
declares
for
for
creeks
and
waterways.
So
we
CFS
stands
for
cubic
feet
per
second,
that's
just
the
standard
flow
rate
that
that
we
have
monitors
all
along
all
the
creeks
and
generally
above
700
sustained.
So
we
know
that
during
storms
you
could
have
Creek
flows
go
up
quite
quickly,
but
then
go
right
back
down.
AF
We
prepare
every
March
or
so
for
the
spring,
the
runoff
the
summer
months,
where
people
are
naturally
in
the
creek.
We
we're
we
prepare
and
talk
about
Creek
flows
constantly.
If
it's
over
700,
the
sheriff
will
declare
that
the
creek
is
off
limits
to
to
water
activities,
and
we
go
along
with
that.
So
then
it
becomes
a
county-wide
thing
and
Boulder
is
part
of
that.
AF
AC
AF
That
can
turn
into
some
pretty
deadly
spots.
One
to
200
cubic
feet
per
second
is
low
enough.
Most
of
the
time
where
somebody
can
just
step
out
between
300
and
700.
Those
are
that's
where
it's
a
little
misleading
to
folks.
You
know
exactly
how
dangerous
it
could
be,
but
generally
above
that
is
where
we're
really
really
really
worried
about
folks
being
in
there,
with
or
without
personal
flotation
devices.
AF
So
so
that's
how
the
protocol
works
today,
it's
it's
entirely
up
to
the
county
sheriff,
but
in
consultation
with
everybody
else
in
the
county,
and
we
end
up
with
sustained
cubic
feet,
Flows
at
700
to
to
see
some
closures,
and
so
you
know
at
that
moment
if
it's
closed
we're
definitely
above
700
sustained.
AF
AF
So
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while
now
due
to
these
events,
but
even
before
that
how
we
can
increase
Creek
safety,
it's
a
popular
spot.
Folks,
love
love
our
creeks
and
with
good
reason.
What
we're
doing
now
is
taking
a
look
at
we've:
we've
looked
at
rescues
and
stream
flows
when
they
happen.
AF
What
what
we
should
do
with
certain
flow
levels-
and
you
can
see
here
on
the
slide-
something
that
we
found
in
the
city
of
golden
has
done
in
terms
of
warning
folks
when
they
use
the
waterways
and
so
being
more
proactive,
they're
they
basically
and
I'm
I
I
just
said
kayaks
can
still
use
it
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
the
legality
of
their
very
top
water
close
to
all
uses
sign,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that
all
other
uses
are
tubing
included,
wouldn't
be
allowed
up
above
a
certain
flow
rate
for
them
we're
looking
at
that
kind
of
system.
AF
It's
pretty
well
developed
at
this
point:
they've
put
a
lot
of
work
and
effort
into
their
plan
and
how
they
do
it
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
with
their
signage
and
such
we're
also
talking
with
the
county
as
well
about
what
we
can
do
differently
in
terms
of
of
Creek
safety
and
notifications,
and
things
like
that
and
and
Ali's
going
to
talk
in
a
minute
here
about
all
the
things
we're
looking
at,
especially
with
regard
to
the
creek
management
plan.
AF
So
from
an
emergency
response
perspective,
you
know,
I
think
it's
almost
too
late
at
that
point,
it's
much
better
that
we
can
prevent
these
incidents
from
occurring
or
have
things
available
to
them
the
moment,
somebody's
in
the
water
and
having
an
emergency,
because
it's
at
least
four
to
five
minutes
or
maybe
more
before
we
can
even
get
somebody
out
of
the
water
which
is
dangerous
for
for
folks,
who've
been
in
the
water,
so
I'll
just
leave
it
there
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Ali
to
talk
about
what
the
Creek
Management,
what
we've
got
in
store
with
Creek
Management
plan.
AH
Good
evening,
members
of
council
I'm
Allie
Rhodes,
director
of
Parks
and
Recreation
before
I
talk
about
the
Boulder
Creek
Management
plan.
I
do
want
to
just
go
back
to
what
Chief
calderazzo
was
saying
with
proactive
practices
and
the
ability
to
swim
is
a
life
safety
skill
that
we
believe
every
member
of
our
community
should
have
so.
AH
I
am
very
glad
that
right
now
in
July
of
2023
at
Spruce
pool
we're
offering
swim
lessons
for
the
first
time
since
before
the
pandemic,
and
as
we
already
are
looking
into
our
work
plan
for
2024,
making
those
really
targeted
to
members
of
our
community,
who
may
not
otherwise
have
access
to
some
lessons
is
going
to
be
a
top
priority
and
goal
moving
on
to
the
Boulder
Creek
Management
plan.
The
first
element
that
we're
looking
at
are
infrastructure
considerations.
AH
This
picture
is
somewhere
out
of
the
UK,
but
it's
a
common
practice
near
open
water
to
have
throw
line
stations.
This
is
something
where
any
bystander
could
grab
it's
a
throw
line.
It's
like
a
weighted
buoy
that
you
toss
it's
attached
to
a
rope
similar
to.
AH
If
you
can
picture
the
old
school
rings
that
are
on
boats
and
buy
pools,
it's
it's
a
similar
thing,
but
designed
for
Swift
water,
and
so
those
can
improve
that
response
time
from
the
bystander
vegetation
management
can
also
improve
safety,
where
you
can
improve
sight
lines
improve
access
points.
This
is
obviously
important
in
the
riparian
quarter
that
we
also
are
thoughtful
about
the
ecology,
but
there
are
areas
Chief
calderazzo
mentioned.
We
know
there's
areas
of
the
creek
that
might
be
more.
AF
AH
And
then,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
Chief
messaging
and
Communications
is
a
huge
part
of
the
proactive
Communications.
You
heard
Chief
Colorado
so
mentioned
that
even
the
Professionals
in
Boulder
fire
and
rescue,
wear,
pfds
or
personal
flotation
devices
when
they're
in
Swift
water
and
so
getting
messaging
about
the
per
the
appropriate
equipment.
AH
A
helmet
when
you're
in
Swiftwater
a
PFD,
enclosed
toed
shoes
will
increase
safety
greatly,
but
we
also
want
to
get
information
out
about
the
stream
flows,
and
so,
whatever
Protocols
are
finalized,
whether
it's
an
advisory
system,
a
flag
system,
we
would
want
that
to
be
in
place.
Also,
the
target
is
permanent
signage
that
is
in
place
by
April
of
2024,
so
we're
in
advance
of
the
peak
flow
season
that
happens
after
Barker
Dam
spills
each
spring.
These
Graphics
are
some
of
the
temporary
signage
that
we
got
in
place.
AH
I
believe
it
was
in
June
when
these
happened.
Following
the
first
two
incidences,
but
the
intention
is
that
moving
into
next
year,
we
have
something
more
permanent,
I.
Think
that's
everything.
So
if
you
have
questions
we're
here
and
I'll,
just
note
that
this
Boulder
Creek
Management
plan
is
a
multi-disciplinary
effort.
Our
colleague
Mr
tatayuchi
from
the
utilities
department
is
here.
We
talked
about
messaging
and
so
Sarah
Huntley
and
her
team
with
Communications
are
involved
in
supporting,
as
with
colleagues
across
the
organization.
B
I
think
Sally
and
Mike
really
appreciate
you
coming
here
and
talking
to
us
tonight
about
this
very
important
topic
and
on
short
notice.
So
questions
for
staff
got
mark.
E
Really
just
one
has
any
thought
been
given
to
requiring
personal
flotation
devices
at
certain
levels
of
flow.
You
know
at
700
it's
closed.
E
If
it's
I'm,
just
picking
a
number
here,
a
requirement
that
you
have
a
personal
flotation
device
at
400
CFS.
Have
we
thought
about
that
at
all.
AH
I'll
just
offer
we
haven't
talked
about
it
ourselves,
I
would
I
would
say
two
things.
One
is
I
know
that
other
organizations
have
evaluated
it
and
they
came
up
with
the
same
concerns
that
I
believe
we
had
is
how
on
Earth.
Would
you
ever
enforce
that
I'm,
not
aware
of
the
enforcement
capacity
that
that
would
make
it
a
realistic,
endeavor.
E
And
you
may
not
be
able
to
enforce
it,
but
most
people
tend
to
follow
the
law,
whatever
it
is,
and
if
one
person
could
be
saved,
that
would
be
a
good
thing.
AF
I
I
can
add
they
they
studied
in
Clear,
Creek,
the
use
of
pfds
and
I
think
it
was
less
than
50
percent.
However,
they
do
have
vendors
around
the
creek
and
they
require
them
when
they,
if
they
lease
a
tube,
they
have
to
also
give
them
a
PFD.
So
so
there's
at
least
that
we
can
follow
up
on
and
and
look
at
for
sure.
A
A
O
Thank
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
before
I
start
with
my
questions
that
those
two
incidents
on
the
creek
really
touched
me
because
I
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
something
that
you
said.
Ali
I
have
taken
swimming
lessons,
I've
taken
eight
weeks
worth
of
swimming
lessons
and
I'm
still
not
a
swimmer,
and
that
pains
me
because
again,
like
you,
said
it's
a
life
safety
issue,
if
you
know
and
I've
gone
tubing
as
well
on
the
Boulder
Creek.
O
So
when
I
heard
of
those
two
incidents,
you
know
and
I
could
never
put
myself
in
the
shoes
of
the
families
and
the
person
the
people
who
have
perished,
but
nonetheless
it
still
very
much
impact
me
knowing
that
I'm,
not
a
swimmer
but
I
did
have
a
question
concerning,
because
you
were
talking
about
flow,
the
cubic
fits
and
it
seemed
you
mentioned
for
kayaks.
There
are
state
laws,
but
the
county
itself
through
the
Sheriff's
Office
decide
hey
once
it's
700
cubic
feets
per
second,
then
it's
closed
is
that
a
county
law?
O
X
If
I
may
I'll
say
that
I
have
spoken
to
the
Sheriff's
Office
on
this
to
understand
myself,
as
this
had
happened
and
again
Chief
if
I'm
wrong,
please
correct
me,
but
the
threshold
is
actually
not
a
uniform
threshold.
It
is
dependent
on
each
Waterway
and
dependent
on
a
variety
of
considerations.
There
are
some
areas
that
are
wider.
There
are
some
that
have
more
depth.
AF
It's
a
it's
a
set
rate
by
the
by
the
sheriff
yeah.
X
Okay,
but
I
will
say
too
that
and
correct
me
again
if
I'm
wrong
Chief,
but
we
are.
We
remain
in
communication
with
the
sheriff
to
just
make
sure
that
if
there
are
additional
considerations
given
the
incidents
and
any
any
change
in
circumstance
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
that
conversation,
and
it
could
be
that
in
the
future
that
changes
or
not,
but
that's
a
consideration
for
the
sheriff,
and
we
remain
in
those
conversations.
Thank.
O
AC
Well,
first
off
thanks
for
addressing
this,
you
know
we
as
as
you
mentioned,
Chief
we've
lost
for
too
many
this
year,
and
you
know
what
I
had
a
conversation
with
Sheriff,
Johnson
and
I.
Guess
something
that
came
up
was
again
the
700
CFS
thing
and
just
looking
at
the
at
this
year's
data,
which
I
think
we'd
all
agree
was
an
excessively
High
runoff
year
because
of
the
snowpack,
and
we
only
had
about
six
days.
AC
It
exceeded
700
CFS
so
and
we
had
massive
rain
events
on
top
of
that
and
still
only
six
days
and
so
I
I
think
when
you
want
to
think
about.
What's
an
appropriate
cut
off,
I
I
think
there's,
maybe
a
point
in
which
we
want
to
be
want
to
have
that
conversation
about.
Is
that
an
appropriate
number,
because
I
think
many
of
us
would
agree
not
being
hydrologists
or
or
certainly
folks,
on
Joe's
team
and
certainly
You
Know
Chief
in
your
team
with
Public
Safety?
AC
Just
hoping
that
we
can
find
a
way
to
work
with
the
sheriff
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
ways
in
which
we
can
not
usurp
his
and
his
office's
Authority,
but
come
to
a
place
where,
where
we
look
at
and
go
yeah,
that's
a
life
safety
hazard
and
we
need
to
do
more
than
put
up
signs
and
we
need
to
have
maybe
some
clear
discretion
on
how
to
work
with
them.
AC
AF
And-
and
we're
definitely
talking
with
them
about
that-
and
that's
why
I
mentioned
the
three
to
seven
hundred
range
is
deceptively
deadly
and
and
obviously
there's
a
there's,
a
balance
between
being
too
heavy-handed
and
the
Creek's
a
wonderful
place
and
the
great
place
to
to
recreate
for
for
everyone,
our
visitors
or
residents,
and
everyone
and
outlawing
certain
things
and
preventing
access
to
it.
I
think
is
something
the
sheriff
is
sensitive
to
as
well
county-wide
and
so
we'll.
AF
B
AC
AC
That
and
let
us
know
how
we
can
help
in
that
conversation
as
well,
in
in
having
conversations
with
the
sheriff
sure
I.
AH
Want
to
add
just
one
note
from
an
Aquatics
background
and
that
to
a
non-swimmer
all
water
is
deadly
and
and
so
Creek
flows
aside,
I
really
do
I
just
for
me.
It
comes
back
to
water,
education,
swimming
education,
because
for
someone
who
can't
swim
it
it
is
all
deadly
and
it's
just
I
guess
that's
I
wanted
to
say
that,
because
the
importance
of
swim,
lessons
and
the
work
that
we
can
do
to
reach,
everyone
is
really.
AA
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I,
understood,
Mark
wallach's
suggestion
about
life,
jackets
and
and
I
think
I
support
it.
If
you
say,
maybe
we
would
look
at
creating
an
ordinance
that
you
were
required
to
have
life
jackets
on
if
you're,
tubing
or
recreating
in
the
creek,
and
that
might
be
annoying
and
unenforceable.
AA
But
my
my
family's
first
experience
in
the
Boulder
Creek
was
renting
tubes
20
plus
years
ago,
and
and
certainly
no
one
told
us
that
life
jackets
were
a
good
idea
and
it
was
pretty
harrowing
for
the
little
people
that
I
was
with
so
I
think
that,
especially
for
visitors
and
people
who
are
likely
to
be
renting
tubes
and
would
have
no
idea
that
that
this
happened
this
year
or
the
dangers
in
general
that
it
could
just
be
very
good
in
terms
of
the
educational
piece
of
like
we.
AA
You
know
if
you're
required,
a
lot
of
people
will-
and
they
also
may
may
take
pause
at
like
this-
is
not
it.
It
looks
fun
like
you've
watched
people
in
the
creek
and
it
just
looks
like
fun,
and
it
is
also
it
carries
a
big
danger
for
some
people,
so
I
think
I
could
be
interested
in
that.
AB
AH
Yes
and
we're
growing
it
one
of
my
program,
managers
and
I
just
met
with
Dr
Anderson
last
month
to
talk
about
how
we
can
increase
not
only
access
to
our
programs
through
for
bvsd
students,
and
especially
the
students
who
we
know
could
benefit
most,
but
also.
How
could
we
work
together
on
programming,
so
they
have
students
every
day,
some
of
the
most
successful
learn
to
swim
programs.
AH
One
of
my
teammates
told
me
today
that
if,
if
you
can
hit
kids
when
they're
in
second
grade
an
hour
a
week
for
32
weeks,
they'll
be
deep
water,
safe
and
so
that
that
is
now
on
our
Dream
list.
So
luckily
we
have
a
great
partner
in
bvsd
and
it's
pretty
aspirational.
But
what
we
agree
today
is
if
we
can
start
with
20
kids,
then
it
can
grow
and
and
to
Mark's
Point
earlier.
Even
even
one
child
that
can
swim
is
is
worth
it.
AB
Thank
you
and
my
other
question
Joe,
since
you're
sitting
there
I
think
this
may
be
one
for
you,
so
you
know
as
as
Joe's
kind
of
working
his
way
up
here.
The
most
recent
death
in
the
creek
was
a
disabled
mother
with
Mobility
challenges,
who
was
camping
on
a
flat
spot
next
to
a
really
steep
slope
and
it
it
seems
from
from
being
there
from
talking
to
Folks
at
her
Memorial.
AB
She
may
have
been
kind
of
moving
around
in
the
dark,
possibly
tripped
and
fallen
into
the
creek.
So
we
have
an
active
camping
van.
We
have
enhanced
enforcement.
We
still
have
people
camping
in
places
that
aren't
safe,
that
are
next
to
water
in
areas
prone
to
flash
flooding.
Are
we
doing
anything
within
Sams
to
try
to
reduce
people's
risk
of
drowning
deaths?.
AI
We
look
at
that
and
and
apply
a
score
and
and
rate
it,
and
things
get
prioritized
for
each
week's
work
and
proximity
to
a
Waterway
is
one
of
the
highest
things
that
gets
attention
from
us
and
we'll
we'll
bump
something
to
the
top
of
the
list,
so
that
that
is
the
primary
way.
AI
So
those
are
a
couple
of
the
ways
off
the
top
of
my
head
that
we
look
at
those
issues,
but
for
me,
as
challenging
as
the
unhoused
and
people
camping,
as
that
is
for
the
community
when
I
ride.
My
bike
around
and
I
see
people
setting
up
tents
like
in
the
Goose
Creek
underpasses
in
places
that
are
only
meant
for
water
I
feel
like
we
have
an
obligation
to
address
that.
B
D
Thank
you.
This
is
a
question
for
Ally
I
I'm
really
excited
to
hear
about
the
swim
lessons
starting
back
up.
What
is
the
cost
of
those
lessons.
AH
I
would
be
making
it
up
if
I
told
you
an
exact
number
right
now,
but
I
believe
for
Five
Lessons,
it's
in
the
range
of
like
fifty
dollars
swim.
Lessons
on
our
Council
has
heard
before
how
we
price
Things,
based
upon
the
degree
of
benefit
to
the
community,
whether
if
it's
highly
Community
benefit
like
our
Parks
they're,
entirely
free
they're
paid
for
by
taxes.
If
the
benefit
is
more
individual,
the
individual
pays.
AH
D
Thank
you
and
then
I
was
really
interested
to
see
the
water
safety
throw
lines,
ideas,
that's
something
that
we're
planning
on
implementing
or
just
looking
at
at
the
moment.
Is
that
going
to
be
part
of
that
I.
AH
I
have
heard
zero
objections
to
it.
We've
already
added
them.
So
I'll
note
something
we
didn't
include
in
the
presentation.
Urban
Park
Rangers
were
among
the
first
to
respond
in
both
of
the
June
incidents,
is
so
increased
response
along
the
creek.
Has
a
water
safety
benefit
as
well?
Those
folks
will
get
them
trained
and
have
throw
bags,
and
then
the
stations
I
think
that
I
I've
confirmed
we
have
funding
for
that,
and
so
those
will
be
in
place
by
April.
D
Thank
you,
and
and
colloquy
a
little
bit
on
what
Matt
brought
up
in
terms
of
sort
of
the
water
I
enjoy
tubing
a
lot
and
have
a
fair
amount
of
experience
with
both
Boulders
and
the
saint
vain
through
lions,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
find
interesting.
There
is
as
soon
as
they
lift
the
ban
on
lions
in
lines.
D
It
doesn't
necessarily
feel
comparable
to
me
in
terms
of
safety
level
compared
to
our
neighboring
communities
and
I,
wonder
about
potentially
that
creating
a
little
bit
of
community
confusion
as
well,
because,
if
you're
used
to
like,
oh
once,
it
opens
it's
safe
in
this
community
and
I'm
going
to
go
over
to
Boulder,
and
it's
probably
the
same
since
theirs
is
open.
D
So
I
guess
I
would
just
encourage
us
to
continue
looking
at
how
that
is
set.
And
if
that
makes
sense
or
if
there's
a
way
to
make
it
feel
more.
Even
across
communities,
thank
you.
Z
AH
The
creek
there
is
no
current
program
that
provides
life,
jackets
or
equipment
to
children.
I
I
think
that
I
heard
Chief,
say
and
I
agree
that
as
part
of
this
management
plan,
we
absolutely
can
explore
requiring
anyone.
So
golden
again,
we've
been
following
their
work
for
a
while
they've
done
an
excellent
job.
They
they
see
significant,
more
visitation
on
Clear
Creek
than
we
do
on
Boulder
Creek,
and
they
require
their
several
Outfitters
in
Golden
that
are
now
they
have
to
have
a
permit.
B
Obviously
it's
something
we
need
to
take
very
seriously
really
appreciate
both
of
you
and
and
the
utilities
department
working
on
ways
to
improve
safety
on
the
creek
and
sounds
like
you're
implementing
some
and
evaluating
others,
and
so
it
looks
like
we're
on
a
path
to
make
some
more
changes
which
is
great
to
hear
and
just
want
to
send
our
heartfelt
condolences
to
the
families
and
loved
ones
of
the
people
who
perished
anything
else,
all
right.