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A
B
I'm
eating
an
almond
joy,
which
is
a
huge
mistake
before
saying:
yes,
we're
ready.
However,
we
already
and
tonight
we're
gonna
have
Alpine
balsam
based
on
comments
at
CAC,
we're
going
to
talk
first
about
the
deconstruction
and
other
manners
with
regard
to
the
hospital
building,
and
then
we'll
be
talking
about
the
various
scenarios
that
we've
talked
about
with
the
boards
and
commissions
and
with
the
community
and
then
finally,
jim
robertson.
Our
comprehensive
planning
manager
we'll
be
talking
about
the
timeline
that
we're
thinking
about,
as
well
as
the
economics
about
this
project.
B
C
You
jim
robertson,
comprehensive
planning
manager
for
the
planning
department.
Thank
you
Jane,
so
what
we
thought
we
would
do
briefly
before
we
go
into
the
two
major
topics
of
the
evening:
that
being
the
hospital
building
deconstruction
and
the
update
and
feedback
on
the
area
plan.
I
thought
we
could
give
you
a
basic
sort
of
schematic
view
of
how
the
pieces
fit
together,
because
I
know.
Sometimes,
when
we
talk
about
this,
it
can
seem
like
disparate
elements
of
the
project.
Sometimes
we
talk
about
the
planning.
C
C
I
thought
I
would
try
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
how
those
fit
together
with
some
level
of
sequencing
or
phasing
in
mind,
so
that
you
could
think
about
that
as
you
have
as
you
as
you
look
at
these
individual
components
of
the
of
the
presentation
that
I
so
I'm
gonna
I've
sort
of
divided
this
sort
of
notion
of
see
how
this
might
sequence
and
phasing
into
three
key
elements:
the
planning
elements,
the
redevelopment
elements
and
the
funding
elements.
So
I'm
gonna
show
you
what
looks
like
a
timeline
now.
C
I,
don't
initially
have
any
dates
on
here,
because
there's
a
whole
lot
of
variables
over
the
next
handful
of
years
as
to
how
this
might
unfold.
But
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
notion
of
how
we're
thinking
about
it
in
terms
of
how
things
could
be
layered
together,
how
we
can
approach
the
overall
arc
of
this
project
in
as
efficient
a
manager,
Manit
manner
as
possible,
so
as
to
prevent
periods
of
dead
time
where
nothing's
happening.
C
So
here's
how
it
might
layout-
and
of
course
this
is
very
schematic
and,
as
I
said
at
the
moment,
I
don't
have
any
specific
times
on
here.
So
we
will-
and
this
is
looking
ahead
from
tonight
so
in
early
2019,
based
on
what
we
hear
from
you
tonight.
We
anticipate
that
we'll
be
able
to
come
back
in
front
of
you
in
the
first
quarter,
with
a
perhaps
refined
scenario
of
how
the
project
how
the
redevelopment
might
occur.
C
Perhaps
some
revised
and
refined
cost
estimates
of
that
and
even
discuss
with
you
how
this
project
might
be
financed
a
little
bit
later
in
this
spring.
Potentially
we
as
a
team
would
be
coming
back
to
you
to
actually
talk
about
the
funding
for
deconstruction
of
the
hospital
building
and
then
mid
2019,
as
you
know,
is
when
we
are
targeting
that
you
will
have
in
front
of
you
an
area
plan
for
potential
approval
and
that
will
have
basically
two
components
with
it
to
it.
C
We
anticipate
that
we
would
be
then
in
a
position
to
commence
deconstruction
soon
after
BCH
does
its
final
vacation
of
the
hospital
in
mid
2019
and
we're
anticipating
and
Michelle
will
talk
more
about
this.
That
would
be
a
roughly
plus
or
minus
two
year
deconstruction
process.
Now
the
good
news
is
we,
we
don't
have
to
just
put
everything
else
on
hold,
while
that's
going
on,
because
we
anticipate
there
during
that
same
roughly
two
year
period,
we
could
be
tackling
as
a
community
the
issues
of
entitlements
on
the
city-owned
parcel.
C
How
do
we
handle
the
BBC
land
use
the
BBC,
P
land
use
designation,
and
what
should
the
appropriate
zoning
be
to
move
forward
with
the
redevelopment
of
the
land?
We
also
anticipate
that
during
this
deconstruction
period,
we
could
commence
what
you
might
call
30%
engineering,
preliminary
engineering
of
some
of
the
public
infrastructure
being
looking
at
the
systems
that
will
support
redevelopment,
the
roadway
system,
the
utility
systems
of
flood
mitigation
systems
and
so
forth.
So
that
we're
making
good
use
of
this
time
during
deconstruction
to
set
ourselves
up
for
moving
a
pace
into
the
following
events.
C
While
there
are
things
happening
at
the
site,
there
would
be
other
things
happening
behind
the
scenes
to
set
ourselves
up
for
the
later
stages
of
the
project
and
also
during
this
time
period,
when
perhaps
the
public
infrastructure
would
be
under
construction.
We
could
begin
the
process
of
design
cost
estimating
and
perhaps
even
bringing
to
you
proposals
for
funding
the
construction
of
any
Civic
buildings
that
go
on
at
the
site.
C
Ultimately,
then,
that
would
all
lead
to
the
ability
to
permit
both
the
public
and
the
private
components
of
the
site,
assuming
there
are
both
public
and
private
components
and
ultimately
starting
construction.
Now
this
is
really
schematic
and
there's
a
whole
lot
of
assumptions
built
into
this,
but
it
shows
you
hopefully
in
one
big
picture,
how
these
various
threads
might
come
together
in
the
coming
years,
and
now,
as
I
mentioned,
we
didn't
put
a
time
on
that
now.
C
I'm
gonna
come
back
to
the
time
in
a
minute,
but
one
of
the
things
I
do
want
to
point
out
is
that
the
the
ability
of
the
council
and
the
community
to
weigh
in
on
the
funding
of
this
effort
would
not
probably
be
a
one-time
effort,
but
we
would
the
first
major
a
score.
If
you
will,
the
first
major
request
for
funding
would
be
worth
regard
to
deconstruction.
C
C
We
estimate
that,
from
roughly
mid
2019
with
the
adoption
of
the
area
plan
and
the
commencement
of
hospital
deconstruction,
this
might
all
unfold
leading
to
the
start
of
construction
in
a
roughly
three
to
five
year
period.
That
is
a
really
broad
range,
I
understand
once
almost
twice
as
long
as
the
other,
but
now
but
there's
a
whole
lot
of
is
I
think
you
have
a
sense.
C
There
are
a
whole
lot
of
assumptions
and
if,
if
this,
then
that
type
elements
in
this,
but
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
picture
of
how
they
fit
together
and
roughly
what
time
period
would
occur
with
that
I
think
I
would
maybe
prefer
that
we,
if
you
have
questions
about
scheduling
and
phasing
I,
would
say
now.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
this
as
a
precursor
we
can
revisit.
Those
I
want
to
now
turn
it
over
to
Michelle
to
talk
specifically
about
the
hospital
deconstruction
issue.
So.
D
E
You,
okay,
hi
I'm,
Michele,
crane,
I'm,
our
city
facilities,
design
and
construction
manager,
and
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
provide
you
with
an
update
on
the
analysis,
we're
doing
just
to
deconstruct
the
hospital
itself,
and
this
was
based
on
councils
direction.
We
got
last
January
to
pursue
that
more
sustainable
approach
to
deconstruction,
so
there's
two
segments
really
to
what
I'm
presenting
tonight.
E
The
first
thing
I
want
to
do
is
bring
you
through
a
brief
history
of
the
hospital's
growth
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
current
conditions
in
the
hospital
really
to
help
provide
an
understanding
of
the
complexity
in
the
scale
of
this
project,
and
it
also
probably
will
help
give
some
basis
for
the
costs
around
what
we're
talking
about
with
deconstruction
and
then
the
other
part
is
I'd
like
to
go
into
the
sustainable
deconstruction
itself.
What
we're
talking
about
here?
E
What
are
the
principles
and
goals
around
that
and
then
how
we're
proposing
to
phase
that
out
that
construction,
so
we're
currently
in
the
middle
of
this
analysis
and
our
plan
is
to
come
back
to
you
in
the
springtime.
With
more
of
the
conclusions
of
that
analysis,
and
at
that
time,
we'll
have
more
refined
cost
estimates
around
exactly
what
we
anticipate.
This
project
will
cost.
E
So
first
I
want
to
bring
you
in
a
really
brief
history.
Tour
of
the
hospital
or
the
hospital
BCH
was
first
established
in
1920
in
this
original
house
here
that
a
little
yellow
block
that
you
see
in
the
corner
of
the
slide
is
the
footprint
of
that
house
and
we'll
watch
it
expand
as
we
go
through
the
slides,
so
the
first
expansion
was
in
1926
and
when
they
built
on
a
new
45
bed
wing
and
that
little
black
wing
is
that
first
expansion,
then
in
1953
we
had
another
single-story
added
to
the
hospital
1957.
E
There
was
another
major
addition
added
to
the
hospital
65.
There
was
the
patient
towers
that
we
know
now
to
the
north
that
were
added
1972.
There
was
another
major
addition.
This
was
just
prior
to
asbestos
being
banned
in
buildings
and
in
construction.
In
1978,
so
we
can
understand
from
that
that
all
these
additions
will
require
abatement
up
until
this
point
81
there
was
another
expansion
followed
by
85
86.
E
Oops,
sorry,
so
that
leads
us
to
the
last
expansion
that
was
the
medical
office
pavilion,
which
was
built
in
1992.
There
were
a
lot
of
interior
renovations
that
actually
went
on
in
this
timeframe
as
well,
and
you
know
what
this
history
really
has
told
us
in
this
analysis
is
just
how
patched
together
this
building
has
been
the
systems
that
were
added
over
time,
the
structures
that
were
added
to
each
other
over
time.
E
We
actually
know
that
there
are
our
systems
abandoned
in
place
in
the
walls
and
in
the
ceilings
of
this
building
that
we'll
have
to
uncover
and
handle
through
the
deconstruction,
there's
a
little
house
buried
in
there
somewhere
yeah.
Actually,
sorry
I
meant
to
point
that
out
so
that
yellow
block
that
is
in
the
pavilion.
That's
that
original
house,
so
you
can
see
you
know
we're
gonna,
look
for
it.
E
E
We
know
where
to
look
so
the
hospital
today
around
three
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
square
feet,
including
the
pavilion
it
really
sprawls
the
site.
Two
thirds
of
the
building
are
actually
just
in
the
basement
and
on
the
ground
floor,
and
we
understand
you
know
how
this
hospital
evolved,
its
form,
its
character,
really
was
in
response
to
the
growing
needs
of
a
hospital,
as
opposed
to
attempting
to
be
a
really
architectural
distinctive
piece
of
architecture.
Nor
was
it
developed
to
really
address
the
surrounding
community.
It
was,
it
was
to
serve
as
a
hospital.
E
So
now
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
interior
of
it
just
kind
of
briefly
to
give
you
a
kind
of
a
full
picture
of
what
we're
looking
at
the
basement,
which
really
houses
the
inner
workings
of
the
hospital
is
again
of
roughly
a
third
of
the
overall
area.
It
has
nine
major
mechanical
rooms
that
holds
the
the
big
equipment
that
served
how
the
hospital
space
is.
It's
a
network
of
ducts
and
pipes
and
conduits
that
run
from
down
in
these
spaces
up
throughout
the
walls
in
ceilings
of
the
rest
of
the
hospital.
E
E
There
are
31
air
handling
units
that
serve
this
building,
so
air
handling
units
are
the
big
large
pieces
of
mechanical
equipment
that
essentially
provide
heating
and
cooling
and
fresh
air
to
a
building
for
comparison.
The
buildings
down
here
that
we
work
in
like
the
Municipal,
Building
and
parkcentral
have
about
two
per
buildings,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
adding
15
buildings
to
our
inventory
again,
just
to
give
a
sense
of
size.
E
E
There's
a
massive
electrical
distribution
system
in
the
hospital
again
to
serve
the
needs
of
a
hospital
we
can
imagine
with
the
kind
of
diagnostic
equipment
the
o-r
is
the
type
of
needs
there
would
likely
be
oversized
for
just
about
any
other
use,
little
access
to
natural
light.
The
other
thing
we
know
about
asbestos
is
it's
found
in
just
about
everything,
but
in
pipe
wraps
that
go
around
pipes
that
run
throughout
in
duct
insulation
in
sealants,
in
addition
to
ceiling
tiles
and
floor
tiles,
where
we
commonly
hear
it.
E
E
So
the
first
floor
is
another
third
of
the
hospital
to
give
you
a
good
sense
of
proportion.
We
have
some
dimensions
on
there,
but
also
a
visual.
Is
it's
about
a
football
field
deep
by
almost
two
football
fields
wide.
It
contains
the
emergency
rooms,
the
laboratories,
the
diagnostic
rooms.
Some
of
the
images
that
I've
put
in
here
one
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
are
the
way
we
see
walls
throughout
the
building.
All
those
little
outlets
are
medical
gas
lines,
electrical
data
and
they
cover
just
about
every
wall
in
the
hospital.
E
What
it
really
is
telling
us
is:
what's
behind
those
walls
is
pretty
intense
infrastructure,
so
we
don't
just
have
you
know
vacant
drywall
walls,
and
when
we
try
to
move
something,
it's
it's
an
intense
effort,
there's
a
pneumatic
tube
system
that
runs
throughout
the
hospital.
That's
that
other
photo
in
the
upper
middle.
That's
like
when
you
go
to
a
bank
or
a
pharmacy
that
system
that
delivers
pharmaceuticals,
there's
stations
all
over
the
hospital.
So
we
can
see
how
that
network
runs.
The
lower
images
are
of
the
diagnostic
equipment
that
we
see
throughout
the
first
floor.
E
So
again.
In
addition
to
being
served
by
electrical
medical
gases,
these
pieces
of
equipment
are
supported
by
very
large
sub
structures
that
actually
move
the
equipment
around.
That
will
have
to
be
disassembled
once
we
get
the
building
and
then
you'll
see
a
bunch
of
little
dots
all
over
the
plans
and
those
are
the
plumbing
fixtures.
So
we
know
there's
about
700
or
more
than
700
plumbing
fixtures
throughout
the
building.
E
E
E
So
this
history
and
the
current
conditions
have
provided
us
with
a
lot
of
insight
and
clues
again
into
just
the
intensity
of
what
it's
going
to
take
to
disassemble
this
project
and
ultimately
take
the
hospital
down
just
moving
a
wall
is,
is
a
big
challenge.
It
really
it
interrupts
major
systems
and
would
have
to
be
handled.
So
with
all
this
in
mind.
I
just
want
to
touch
really
briefly
on
the
issue
of
reusing
the
hospital
and
remind
folks
why
we
have
continued
to
recommend
against
reusing
either
in
the
short
term
or
in
the
long
run.
E
E
The
other
thing
that
we
would
have
to
do
is
bring
the
entire
building
up
to
meet
our
current
energy
codes,
and
we
would
also
have
to
comply
with
current
flood
protection
requirements
so
just
sort
of
playing
out
this
timeline
and
what
that
might
look
like
for
us
just
assessing
what
an
appropriate
new
use
might
be.
Who
could
take
advantage
of
that?
E
What
would
make
sense
could
take
several
months
to
figure
that
out,
we
would
have
to
go
into
then
a
full
design
to
again
address
the
life
safety,
the
new
use,
those
requirements
and
go
through
the
regulatory
review
process
in
order
to
get
a
building
permit,
and
then
we
would
have
to
enter
into
an
actual
renovation
project,
which
we
know
would
entail
some
level
of
abatement,
so
even
for
a
temporary
reuse.
This
could
take
two
years
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
actually
could
reuse
the
building
and
our
big
takeaway
from
this.
E
As
we
know,
this
would
be
costly.
It
would
take
quite
a
bit
to
renovate
this
building
for
really
any
other
use.
It
would
be
time
intensive
and
it
would
just
detract
from
our
looking
at
that
sustainable
deconstruction.
So
again,
this
is
a
little
bit
more
basis
of
where
we
have
continued
to
recommend
against
reuse
of
the
building.
E
So
now
I
want
to
get
into
sustainable
deconstruction
itself.
So
what
our
principles
are,
what
our
goals
are
with
this
project
and
then
how
we're
proposing
to
phase
this
project
out,
so
the
principles
behind
the
sustainable
deconstruction
are
to
reduce
reuse,
recycle
and
rebuy,
specifically
with
the
hospital.
Our
first
goal
is
to
reduce
the
amount
of
materials
that
actually
leave
the
site
altogether,
so
part
of
what
we're
exploring
is
just
how
much
of
this
building
could
theoretically
be
just
repurposed
right
back
on
site
in
other
infrastructure,
new
infrastructure
and
buildings.
E
So
we
would
drain
a
lot
of
our
systems
and
then
try
to
resell
those
sorts
of
things
on
second,
three
markets,
and
so
that
rebuy
is,
you
know,
are
selling
or
donating
others,
so
others
could
rebuy
and
then
we'd
look
to
recycle
as
much
as
possible
and
with
all
that
infrastructure.
It's
actually
a
lot
of
really
good
recyclable
material.
E
So
I
think
that
our
ability
to
achieve
kind
of
a
high
percentage
of
recycled
content
was
pretty
high,
all
that
sheet
metal
and
ducks
and
the
pipes,
if
we
know,
there's
a
lot
of
copper
and
lead
shielding
and
all
of
that
we'd
look
to
recycle.
It's
a
very
conscientious
sorting
of
materials
that
would
go
on
to
do
that
and
to
get
it
into
the
right
waste
streams.
But
this
project
really
creates
quite
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that.
G
E
A
F
And
then,
when
one
nice
question
on
this
part,
you
went
through
a
really
good
presentation
of
the
development
of
this
hospital
and
back
in
those
days,
they
used
lead
paint.
So
what
are
you
going
to
do?
What's
the
city's
plans
to
abate
for
lead
paint
and
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
get
into
the
soils
and
things
like
that,
yeah.
E
Well,
good
I
said:
there's
a
big
abatement
phase,
and
so
abatement
is
really
not
just
of
asbestos.
It's
going
to
be,
there's
lead
lining
in
a
lot
of
those
walls,
so
all
those
x-ray
rooms,
they're
lead-lined
or
they
have
copper.
So
our
abatement
takes
into
consideration.
Led
paint
the
copper
shielding
the
lead,
shielding
asbestos,
all
those
hazardous
materials
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
fume
hoods.
What
kind
of
things
went
up
in
a
hospital
through
fume
hoods?
E
G
E
E
So,
as
we
take
things
out,
people
are
testing,
so
they
understand
exactly
what
is
coming
out
and
that
it's
being
properly
handled,
but
one
contractor
typically
is
qualified
and
we
would
qualify
a
contractor
who
can
take
care
of
all
the
materials
we're
going
to
encounter
in
the
hospital.
So
we
are
doing
a
full
survey
right
now
and
it's
a
destructive
sampling
survey
in
just
about
every
room
of
the
hospital.
So
we
know
what
we're
dealing
with.
Thank.
I
E
So
we've
broken
down
the
phases
of
deconstruction
into
four
kind
of
distinct
pieces.
The
first
phase
is
decommissioning
and
ongoing
operations
and
maintenance,
and
we
plan
to
start
this
in
early
2019,
even
before
bch
vacates,
and
this
some
aspect
of
this
will
continue
to
go
on
for
the
duration
of
the
project.
The
second
phase
is
the
interior
deconstruction,
where
we're
taking
out
all
those
components,
a
lot
of
abatement
will
happen
and
we
would
like
to
start
this
in
June
of
2019
right
after
the
hospital
make
aids.
E
We
anticipate
this
will
take
roughly
12
to
18
months
to
complete
this
phase.
Phase
3
would
be
the
exterior
deconstruction,
follow
on
the
heels
of
interior
deconstruction.
We're
expecting
that
this
might
take
about
six
months
and
then
phase
four
is
really
site
preparation.
So
once
we
take
that
exterior
down
down
to
the
foundation
walls,
we
would
look
at
how
we
prepare
the
site
and
the
time
frame
of
that
is
going
to
be
dependent
on
the
soils,
investigation
and
I'll
get
into
all
of
these
phases
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
just
a
second.
E
F
E
So
before
I
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
each
of
the
phases,
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
and
address
our
sensitivity
to
the
community,
because
we
do
understand
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
large
project
and
it
will
be
disruptive
and
we
very
much
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor
throughout
this
project.
As
best
we
can.
E
We
know
we're
gonna
have
to
mitigate
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
in
each
of
these
phases,
but
we're
hoping,
if
there's
a
way
to
turn
this
into
the
best
positive
experience
that
we
can
so
starting
in
early
2019.
Maybe
around
March
we'd
like
to
hold
some
community
open
houses,
so
we
can
just
inform
people
about
what's
going
on
and
form
them
more
about
the
project
itself,
helped
set
expectations
and
answer
people's
questions
and
address
concerns.
E
We
will,
throughout
the
whole
project
plan
to
provide
regular
communication,
so
we
can
get
people
heads
up
when
you
know
something
new
is
gonna
happen.
What
next
phases
are
going
on,
so
people
have
a
place
to
come
and
understand.
What's
going
on
and
ask
questions
and
address
concerns,
we
would
like
to
explore
opportunities
to
engage
people,
and
you
know
this
could
be
around
creative
ways
to
reuse
materials.
E
We
know
we
have
some
great
resources
in
the
community
to
talk
about
that,
so
we
think
that
there
are
some
opportunities
in
our
garage,
sale
phase
and,
in
some
other
places
to
really
engage
people
on
that,
and
specifically
one
of
the
first
things
we're
gonna
have
to
do
is
put
a
fence
around
this
building
or
around
the
site,
and
we
don't
want
this
to
be
a
6-foot
chain
link
fence.
What
we're
thinking
is.
E
This
is
more
of
a
solid
fence
and
we're
going
to
work
with
our
office
of
arts
and
culture
to
see
if
we
can
extend
the
really
successful
mural
project
to
this
fence
to
make
at
least
the
experience
around
the
site
as
pleasant
as
possible,
and
you
know
perhaps
we
can
keep
pieces
of
this
fence.
You
know
into
the
future
and
permanent
installations
and
buildings,
but
that's
at
least
one
way.
We
want
to
try
to
get
out
in
front
and
and
make
at
least
the
outside
something
pleasant.
E
E
Last
year,
the
energy
bill
alone
in
the
hospital
was
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
one
of
our
primary
first
objectives
is
to
reduce
that
and
the
way
we're
going
to
do,
that
is
to
turn
the
building
temperature
down
to
really
just
above
freezing,
so
we're
just
not
freezing
water
in
pipes,
but
otherwise
we're
going
to
try
to
limit
that
energy
consumption.
We'll
also
look
to
shut
down
any
unnecessary
systems
so
that
big
electrical
system.
E
We
can
probably
take
a
that
offline
shut
down
some
unnecessary
elevators
other
unnecessary
mechanical
units
and
then
a
big
imperative
of
the
first
phase
is
to
secure
the
site
in
the
building.
So
we
can
keep
unwanted
inhabitants
out
of
that
building.
It
is
a
large
maze
that
people
get
in
there,
so
that
is
really
the
first
thing
that
we
know
is
important
to
tackle
in
this
project.
E
Right
now,
most
of
this
is
funded.
We
have
eight
hundred
and
seven
thousand
dollars
that
has
been
funded
for
this
work
and
we're
working
to
essentially
be
able
to
implement
these
measures
within
that
funding.
As
we
continue
on
our
analysis
and
we
kind
of
uncover
more
costs,
there
may
be
a
small
unfunded
gap,
but
again
right
now,
our
goal
is
to
stay
within,
what's
funded
for
this
first
year,.
E
So
the
second
phase
is
about
interior
deconstruction
and
our
hazardous
materials
abatement.
It
really
starts
that
so
the
first
thing
we'll
look
to
do
is
before
we
start
abatement
is
remove
as
much
of
the
building
contents
as
we
can
again
for
resale
or
reuse.
So
we're
a
lot
of
that
cabinetry
and
the
fixtures
that
we
can.
But
then,
once
we
have
removed
those
components
and
we
start
getting
into
more
deconstruction,
we
will
get
into
the
abatement
phase
and
then
have
that
full
of
bateman
phase.
E
We
actually
anticipate
much
of
the
hospital
and
the
insides
is
probably
going
to
be
taken
down
through
some
form
of
abatement.
But
then,
once
we
have
evaded
everything
we
need
to
in
the
inside,
we
will
continue
to
disassemble
what
remains
of
the
structures
and
the
systems
that
are
in
there
right
now,
based
on
estimates
that
we
had
brought
to
you
back
in
January.
This
is
roughly
six
to
eight
million
dollars.
E
So
phase
three
is
about
exterior
sustainable
deconstruction.
It
is
really
taking
down
the
structure,
the
exterior
walls,
the
roof
down
to
the
foundation,
and
we
will
continue
to
have
to
conduct
abatement
through
this
phase,
because
asbestos
can
be
found
in
concrete
in
bricks
in
all
those
different
pieces.
The
image
that
you
see
on
the
left
is
of
Saint
Anthony's
Hospital
in
Denver.
E
It
was
taken
down
in
2010,
so
this
is
just
what
we
might
start
to
expect
to
see
on
the
site,
and
this
is
really
when
the
deconstruction
starts
to
become
visible
to
people
on
the
site.
A
lot
of
what's
happening
in
the
interior
phase.
You're
gonna
see
truck
traffic
coming
to
and
from
the
site,
but
lots
going
on
just
inside
the
building.
It's
not
looking
like
a
lot
here.
E
You're
going
to
start
to
see
the
building
come
down
and
the
site's
really
going
to
transform
the
image
on
the
right
is
our
simulation
of
what
we
will
end
up
with
at
the
end
of
this
phase.
You
won't
see
this
from
the
street,
but
it's
essentially
a
bathtub,
because
we
will
take
the
building
down
to
the
foundation
walls.
E
We
will
have
to
continue
to
do
construction
dewatering
during
this
phase,
because
we
know
water
is
percolating
up
through
the
foundation,
so
this
phase
is
roughly
approximated
at
two
to
three
million
dollars,
and
we
anticipate
this
would
take
about
six
months
just
to
take
the
exterior
down
and
again.
The
last
phase
is
about
site
preparation,
so
either
at
the
end
of
that
last
phase
or
beginning
of
this
is
when
we
will
actually
test
soils
to
know.
E
What's
in
there
know
the
level
of
abatement
that
might
go
on
the
image
on
the
left
is
again
our
simulation
of
just
a
pad
ready
site.
That's
our
goal
for
this
phase
and
the
image
on
excuse
me.
It
was
the
image
on
the
left.
The
image
on
the
right
is
again
st.
Anthony's,
something
creative.
They
did,
they
actually
filled
their
hole
with
the
structure,
and
so
they
crumbled
that
existing
structure
and
exterior
walls
back
into
that
hole
we'll
explore
if
that
option
is
possible
for
our
site.
E
E
Will
after
we
test
the
soil,
so
essentially
we
can't
disturb
any
soil,
which
is
why
we'll
take
exterior
deconstruction
just
down
to
the
foundation.
We
can't
actually
take
those
foundation
walls
down
until
we
know
what's
in
the
soil
and
what
we
have
to
do
to
treat
if
anything,
and
so
this
phase
will
be
taking
down
the
foundation.
Walls
we'll
take
out
the
slab
and
then
we'll
fill
in
the
hole
and
essentially
grade
the
site
for
future
site
development
and.
E
E
No,
we
won't
implode
the
building
and
specifically
because
we
know
well,
we
don't
know
we're
testing
right
now,
but
we
anticipate
that
we'll
have
to
do
some
abatement
of
those
exterior
walls.
So
that's
where
it
takes
time.
It's
not.
You
know
a
day,
and
it's
done.
We
really
have
to
disassemble,
because
we
will
abate
as
we're
disassembling
the
exterior,
so
the
costs
and
the
time
really
for
this
phase
are
unknown
until
we
can
test
those
soils
and
know
what
we're
dealing
with.
A
E
A
E
As
far
as
what
you
actually
do
with
the
soils,
depending
on
how
far
you
go
into
the
soils
also
determines
how
deep
you
need
to
go
and
treating
the
soil,
we
just
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
encounter
and
as
soon
as
we
test,
those
soils
were
on
the
clock
to
do
something
with
them,
but
we
don't
know
what
we
need
to
do
with
them.
Yet,
okay,
that's
the
missing
piece!
Re
yeah,.
E
So
our
next
steps
are
to
finish
this
deconstruction
analysis
in
order
to
help
bring
more
refined
cost
estimates
to
all
of
this
work
and
and
then
a
more
conclusive
plan
of
how
we
want
to
proceed
with
this
work.
We
want
to
come
back
to
you
in
April
to
provide
you
with
those
results
and
those
refine
cost
estimates.
And
then
we
plan
to
begin
decommissioning
in
early
2019.
Bch
has
been
very
cooperative
with
us
and
helping
us
coordinate
what
things
we
can
start
doing
ahead
of
them
actually
vacating
and
really
focused
around
securing
the
site
first.
E
But
then
we
plan
to
begin
deconstruction
when
BCH
vacates
in
June
of
2019,
so
our
big
takeaway
from
our
analysis
so
far
is
we
actually
think
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
reflect
our
values
and
see
how
much
progress
we
can
make
towards
zero
waste
goal
and
with
a
big
deconstruction
project
like
this,
maybe
be
an
example
for
others
and
some
lessons
learned
in
the
community.
But
it
is
also
a
very
complex
undertaking
and
it
will
take
time
and
it
will
take
money
and
some
focus
to
accomplish
this
work.
E
All
of
our
deconstruction
plans
include
trying
to
preserve
the
pavilion
again
for
the
same
reasons
that
we
went
through
it's
quite
complicated
to
try
to
reuse
in
any
interim
use.
But
we
are
based
on
our
discussion
earlier
this
year
about
reuse
of
the
pavilion
we're
preserving
the
pavilion
for
reuse.
But
we
will
do
abatement
and
do
an
interior
deconstruction.
That
just
takes
advantage
of.
You
know
our
contractors
being
there
and
the
economy
of
scale
of
being
able
to
do
that
at
this
time,
which.
E
We
will
leave
the
exterior
and,
as
we
get
further
down,
we
will
have
to
address,
and
this
will
get
into
some
of
the
timing
of
other
developments,
those
big
holes
that
are
left
behind
when
the
pillow
and
the
hospital
is
gone.
So
we
we
do
know
that
that's
coming,
but
I
think
there'll
be
progress
on
other
work.
We're
doing
that
will
help
inform
I'm
just
what
we're
doing
there.
K
D
E
Sense
is:
is
that
we're
taking
it
more
down
again
the
the
extent
with
the
renovation
and
the
extent
of
work
that
we'll
have
to
do
just
to
patch
back?
Those
walls
will
trigger
our
energy
codes
and
our
need
to
bring
that
building
up
into
full
compliance
with
our
energy
codes,
and
it's
similar
to
what
we
encountered
on
the
Brenton
building,
where
it
was
really
taking
it
back
to
its
kornshell,
because
what
we
did
back
there
is.
D
I
know
we're
gonna
have
to
hit
that
level
of
renovation
eventually,
and
do
you
think
will
that
be
done
as
part
of
the
abatement
deconstruction
process,
or
will
that
be
in
a
later
phase
where
it's
renovated,
because
that's
the
renovation
I
think
of
as
part
of
the
new
uses
and
whereas
the
deconstruction
is
about
getting
rid
of
the
old
ones?
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
how
that's
gonna
play
out
I.
E
E
So
if
we're
actually
starting
renovation
as
we're
taking
the
hospital
down
again,
that's
a
more
ideal
scenario,
but
we
understand
we
may
not
be
in
a
place
to
make
that
decision.
So
these
are
sort
of
two
options
we're
carrying
in
our
costs.
Is
you
know
what,
if
we
have
to
preserve
the
pavilion
for
a
future
renovation
versus
what,
if
we
can
renovate
it
while
we're
in
this
deconstruction
project,
and
we
can
then
maybe
take
a
look
at
what
the
difference
in
cost
is,
and
that
may
help
with
some
decisions?
Yes,.
D
E
D
E
E
D
D
E
We're
going
to
need
that
parking
lot
to
actually
do
this
deconstruction,
and
so
it's
part
of
our
analysis
is
you
know:
can
we
give
back
some
portion
of
maybe
the
western
edge
of
that
you
know
and
bring
our
fence
in
a
few
bays?
But
if
you
can
imagine
all
those
different
types
of
recycling,
they're
gonna
each
require
their
own
bins.
We're
going
to
have
some
really
extensive,
lay
down
area
needs,
and
so
we
expect
actually
to
use
most
of
that
parking
lot
for
the
deconstruction
process
by
our
project.
Okay,.
L
Yeah
I
did
question
about
security.
That
was
a
big,
bold
and
we've
heard
from
like
3303
and
eleven
that
that
that's
been
a
big
issue
over
there
do
do
you
guys
this
like
feels
like
it
would
be
great
to
do
it
in
a
really
conscious
way,
where
you
know
we're
redirecting
people,
we're
not
just
like
kicking
people
out
and
making
sure
that
they
understand
what
their
shelter
options
are,
and
things
like
that
is
that
part
of
your
plan
I
think.
E
F
E
E
The
soils
really
I
have
no
idea
at
this
at
this
point.
We
hope
not,
and
we
don't
necessarily
have
any
reason
to
suspect
that
honestly
at
the
the
hospital
has
to
comply
with
pretty
rigorous
standards
as
far
as
you
know,
keeping
what
they
do
in
line.
So
we
don't
have
reason
to
suspect
that,
but
we
won't
know
until
we
get
into
it.
H
Great
presentation,
my
question
is
about
you
mentioned
the
dewatering
that
goes
on
in
the
site
and
part
of
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about.
Next
is
considering
how
we
deal
with
the
flood
mitigation
and
and
Goose
Creek
and
the
drainage,
and
all
that,
and
to
what
extent
does
this
process
and
what
you
find
out
in
terms
of
the
groundwater
inform
that
next
piece
of
it
I
think.
E
These
two
are
fairly
unrelated.
This
is
ground
water
that
percolates
up
as
opposed
to
what
I,
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about,
really
is
flood
mitigation
in
a
you
know,
flood
event,
so
I
think
you
know
we'll
continue
to
kind
of
learn
from
each
other,
but
this
is
everyday
events,
just
the
snow
we
have
today
or
the
over
the
weekend
will
seep
into
the
soils
and
we'll
call
that
ground
water
to
percolate
up
all
those
expansions
that
we
saw
every
time
we
expanded.
We
have
places
where
water
just
wants
to
come
up.
E
G
D
A
Down
in
the
morgue,
maybe
that's
right
so
I
have
a
couple
questions.
One
is
and
I
know
just
enough
to
be
dangerous
on
this,
but
in
terms
of
labor
law,
but
this
is
gonna
be
a
huge
multi-year
project.
We
is
there
any
way
to
make
sure
we're
hiring
locals
that
were
employing
on
community
members.
In
this
effort,
have
we
thought
about
that.
E
A
M
Usually
you
can
do
some
sort
of
local
preference,
but
remember
there's
lots
of
things
you're
doing
contracting,
like
you
want
to
encourage
women
to
my
own
businesses
as
well,
and
some
of
those
might
not
be
local,
so
I
think
there's
a
balance
of
things
that
you
want
to
look
at.
We'd
certainly
put
that
as
one
of
the
priorities,
but
I
think
it
has
to
be
part
of
the
total
mix.
Well,.
A
I'll,
just
throw
that
out
there
is,
is
a
value,
perhaps
among
others
that
might
be
I
think
would
help
endear
the
public
to
that.
What
is
going
to
be
a
long
process
if
it's
hiring
people
in
the
community
and
then
the
other
one
I'm
gonna
ask
this
carefully,
but
just
in
terms
of
you
meant
engaging
in
the
whole
deconstruction
process,
all
the
folks
that
are
involved
nonprofits
and
what
not
and
I
guess
I'm
curious
about
the
process.
For
that,
especially
we're
gonna
hope
to
make
a
model
out
of
it.
B
A
E
It's
really
it's
part
of
our
analysis
right
now
that
we're
talking
about,
and
we
have
our
our
purchasing
department
looking
at
that
as
well.
So
we
make
sure
that
we're
complying
with
everything
we
need
to
do
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
but
we
are
going
to
be
engaging
resource
and
others
to
kind
of
understand
who
can
we
engage
or
who
can
we
reach
out
to
who
takes
this
sort
of
stuff
really,
and
so
that
is
really
part
of
what
our
analysis
is
right
now,
so
we
should
have
more
information
on
that
when
we
come
back.
A
There's
a
very
how
to
deal
with
hard
to
recycle
stuff
is
a
very
active
conversation
in
the
larger
front
and
Range.
Recycle
Colorado
is
the
big
statewide
group
that
tries
to
convene
conversations
and
there's
talk
about
you
know
and
have
a
website
where
this
person's
waste
is
that
person's
remanufacturing,
feedstock
and
anyhow
I
just
encourage
us
to
take
advantage
of
that
larger
conversation
about,
because
we're
gonna
end
up
with
some
weird
stuff
that,
yes,
anyone
pulling
those
creative
mechanisms
to
make
sure
it's
used.
Anyhow
I
would
think
we
could
take
advantage
of
some
of
that.
A
Anything
else
on
this
phase
of
it
great
that
was
really
helpful
to
understand
the
complexity
and
why
it
can't
obviously
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
desire
to
move
fast
and
but
now
we
understand,
there's
more
than
one
value
at
stake
here
in
terms
of
trying
to
do
it
right
and
also
abatement.
Good.
Lord
there's
a
lot
there
great.
N
All
right,
thank
you.
I'm
gene
CATSA,
with
a
planner
with
the
comprehensive
planning
division
and
as
Michelle
and
Jim
already
talked
about
Alpine
balsam
is
both
a
great
opportunity
for
a
place
where
we
can
reflect
some
community
values,
but
is
going
to
be
a
major
change
for
central
Boulder.
What
we're
here
to
talk
about
tonight
are
several
key
choices
that
shape
that
future
and
specifically
just
for
that
city
on
site.
N
We
need
your
feedback
to
be
to
enable
the
continued
progress
to
plan
the
site,
to
inform
additional
analysis
on
costs
and
infrastructure
in
order
to
complete
the
area
plan
by
the
middle
of
next
next
year.
Our
vision
plan
that
was
adopted
in
2017
outlines
the
desired
future
for
the
site
as
a
hub
of
community
life
and
local
government
services
with
affordable
and
sustainable
living.
This
aspirational
plan
provided
the
baseline
for
the
analysis.
That's
been
done,
especially
in
regard
to
the
uses
that
we
have
tested
the
Civic
facilities
and
housing.
N
We
seek
your
feedback
on
several
key
choices
that
were
outlined
in
your
questions.
You
might
think
of
these
questions
as
the
what
and
how
of
the
site
what
uses
go
there?
What's
the
mix
and
how
that
should
be
achieved.
There
are
trade-offs
around
how
we
develop
this
site.
For
example,
the
lower
building
heights
might
result
in
fewer
housing
units
or
more
space
for
flood
mitigation
may
result
in
less
development
potential
for
other
uses.
N
We've
had
a
lot
of
community
feedback
around
the
initial
discussion
for
Alpine
balsam
and
the
analysis
that
we've
done
in
the
past
several
months,
we've
talked
to
community
community
members
about
goals
and
shared
this
analysis
and
scenarios.
We've
had
some
lively
and
gain
and
engaging
consumption,
imagined
events
included
the
project
kickoff
in
May
pop-up
events
through
the
summer,
a
workshop
with
representatives
of
several
advisory
boards,
a
community
workshop
online
feedback
from
be
heard,
Boulder
and
a
discussion
with
the
Planning
Board.
N
What
I'm
gonna
do
next
is
just
briefly
walk
you
through
some
of
the
key
topics
and
highlight
what
we
learned
from
the
analysis
and
also
describe
what
we
heard
from
in
the
community
feedback.
First
off
it's
around
housing
and
I.
Don't
need
to
remind
you
that
a
for
that
affordable
housing
is
a
key
goal
in
the
community
and
a
high
priority
for
this
location.
The
mix
of
housing
types
and
the
level
of
affordability
are
the
key
issues
related
to
housing.
N
We
know
from
recent
projects
that
a
higher
percentage
of
affordable
housing
on
the
site
will
likely
require
the
city
to
subsidize
or
discount
the
value
of
the
land.
We
are
not
yet
at
the
point
of
being
able
to
identify
who
the
housing
would
serve,
whether
that
would
be
workforce,
housing
or
seniors
or
low
income.
That
will
depend
on
the
types
and
numbers
of
units
that
can
be
achieved
and
we'll
provide
more
information
on
the
potential
population
served.
N
The
other
priority
for
the
site
is
for
civic
facilities
and
services,
replacement
and
consolidation
of
city
facilities
are
needed
for
several
reasons
to
create
better
spaces
to
serve
the
community,
achieve
efficiencies
for
customers,
as
well
as
staff
locate
buildings
out
of
the
high
hazard
floodplain,
reduce
costs
for
maintenance
operations
and
leasing
and
to
achieve
our
climate
goals.
When
we're
talking
about
civic
facilities,
we
aren't
just
talking
about
replacing
office
buildings.
N
The
city
has
a
range
of
facilities,
space
needs,
renovation
of
the
Brenton
building
and
the
Medical
Pavilion
pavilion,
as
Michelle
discussed,
were
identified
by
our
early
studies
and
concern
and
confirmed
by
our
consultant
teams
to
be
the
most
efficient
way
to
achieve
our
near-term
facilities
needs
and
when
we
discussed
facilities
priorities
in
August
around
the
East
bookend,
the
council
indicated
the
preference
to
that
relocated
facilities.
Don't
go
in
the
East
bookend
of
the
Civic
area,
but
be
okay
today,
Alpine
balsam,
and
so
that
direction
is
reflected
in
the
potential
programming
that's
shown
in
the
scenarios.
N
So,
regarding
the
potential
for
Boulder
County
to
occupy
some
of
the
space
at
Alpine
balsam,
our
respective
staff
members
have
been
working
to
further
assess
that
possibility,
based
on
the
direction
that
was
from
the
council
and
the
commissioners
at
the
luncheon
last
spring.
To
can
to
continue
to
evaluate
and
assess
that
of
that
possibility.
The
scenarios
shows
several
variations
of
mix
of
uses,
including
the
potential
of
meeting
some
or
all
of
the
county's
needs
at
Alpine
balsam.
N
This
could
include
facilitating
their
gold
of
redeveloping
or
relocating
the
Health
and
Human
Services
functions
that
are
currently
housed
at
the
iris
and
Broadway
complex
into
a
facility
similar
to
that
at
the
Longmont
hub.
The
county
is
anticipating
a
process
in
2019
to
further
explore
the
right
location
for
that
facility,
whether
that's
at
the
iris,
complex
another
location
or
could
possibly
be
an
Alpine
balsam
in
order
to
utilize
the
iris
complex
for
affordable
housing.
That
process
is
in
its
early
stages,
but
could
be
promising
for
more
affordable
housing
along
the
corridor.
N
So
what
we
heard
about
mix
of
uses
you
receive
the
results
of
the
polling
that
was
done
both
at
the
workshops
and
online.
Those
results
are
pretty
specific.
Excuse
me
pretty
specific
about
the
questions.
We
also
have
the
event
summaries
that
include
a
little
more
nuance
about
people's
preferences,
so
the
graph
up
here
shows
the
the
mix
of
uses
from
the
community
workshop
and
the
be
heard.
Boulder
polling
online
people
have
told
us
that
they
think
affordable
housing
is
a
critical
need
and
there
are
a
range
of
viewpoints
about
how
much
is
appropriate.
N
I
N
It
was
completely
voluntary
that
was
we
communicated
that
out
through
next
door
and
the
planning,
email
and
various
other
methods.
Okay,
all
right.
So
regarding
the
mix
of
civic
facilities
and
housing,
most
folks
want
to
see
a
true
mix
housing
with
active,
vibrant,
plazas
and
spaces
in
conjunction
with
the
Civic
uses,
as
as
was
outlined
in
the
vision
plan.
The
Planning
Board
was
cautious
about
this
amount
of
Civic
uses
on
the
site,
suggesting
support
for
Alpine
balsam
to
minimally
provide
a
consolidated
service
center.
N
Okay,
now
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
how
we
can
figure
the
uses
on
the
site,
intensity
and
building
heights.
Primarily,
the
vision
plan
outlined
a
wide
range
of
possible
building
heights
and
intent
and
intensities,
and
now
it's
time
to
really
narrow
that
range
to
get
more
specific.
The
intensity
of
development
and
the
height
of
buildings,
as
you
know,
is
one
of
the
topics
of
greatest
concern
in
the
community
and
about
which
we
have
a
range
of
viewpoints.
N
We
heard
from
people
who
live
throughout
Boulder,
but
I
would
say
a
majority
of
the
feedback
came
from
those
who
live
in
Central
and
North
Boulder.
So,
as
you
can
see
from
the
the
survey
results
and
others,
we
did
ask
folks
where
they
live
and
a
good
a
good
number
of
them
were
really
in
that
central
Boulder
and
North
Boulder
areas
and,
as
you
can
see
on
the
the
feedback
is
mixed
here
on
this
one.
N
We
were
able
to
roll
in
the
feedback
from
the
advisory
board
workshop,
but
the
questions
that
we
asked
between
that
one
and
the
other
ones
were
a
little
bit
different,
so
it
wasn't
included
in
the
previous
slide
generally
there's
support
for
taller
buildings
up
to
55
feet
along
Broadway
with
most
favoring
a
mixed
intensity
across
the
site.
Many
would
prefer
to
see
buildings
at
the
three
story
at
three
stories
on
the
western
part
of
the
site,
expressing
concern
that
higher
intensity
development
might
negatively
impact
the
character
of
the
area.
N
Well,
others
advocate
for
higher
and
excuse
me
higher
intensity
buildings
up
to
55
feet
across
the
site
and
true
in
order
to
truly
maximize
the
potential
for
housing
and
achieve
the
activity
that
and
vibrancy
that
wouldn't
be
achieved
at
lower
densities.
The
Planning
Board
favored
mixed
intensities
towards
35
to
55
foot
tall
buildings
and
emphasized
a
preference
for
variation
in
the
heights
of
buildings.
N
Flood
mitigation,
the
big
component
of
this
site
about
a
third
of
the
site
is
currently
in
the
hundred
year.
Flood
plain
and
how
mitigation
is
handled
affects
the
development
capacity
on
the
site.
The
vision
plan
calls
for
developing
continuous
green
space
from
from
Broadway
to
North
Boulder
Park
for
storm
net
water
management,
flood
control
and
recreational
amenity.
When
we
talk
about
a
Greenway
in
the
scenarios,
we
mean
space
for
water
to
flow
from
a
storm,
but
would
be
dry
most
of
the
time.
N
This
approach
had
strong
support
from
the
community
and
from
board
members
I'll
just
say
also
that
our
initial
study
indicates
that
mitigation
and
the
park
could
be
designed
to
preserve
the
aesthetics,
preserve
and
maintain
the
existing
uses
and
maintain
all
of
the
existing
trees,
and
if
the
detention
of
the
park
is
selected
as
a
preferred
alternative.
Well,
our
staff
will
work
closely
with
the
community
in
determining
that
final
design
to
read
to
retain
all
of
those
uses.
Jean.
D
Can
I
interrupt
you,
the
question
there
and
in
terms
of
the
flood
conveyance
through
the
site
with
the
Greenway
when
I
looked
through
the
scenarios,
there
was
the
the
narrower
greenways
4550
feet
and
the
wider
one
of
a
hundred
feet
and
it
seemed
like
them.
The
wider
one
could
accomplish
accommodate
most
of
the
flows,
but
when
I
looked
at
the
narrower
narrower
one,
the
way
that
it
looked
to
me
was
that
the
flows
were
being
accommodated
in
a
pipe
and
not
on
the
surface.
D
A
N
A
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
totally
dope
is
what
being
envisioned
a
mix
of
both
or
is
it
really
either/or,
because
I
didn't
see
the
or
part
I
mean
all
the
versions
have
I
know
that
the
recommendation
is
to
open
it
up,
but
I'm.
Just
curious,
I
didn't
see
a
version
where
there
was
just
a
pipe,
and
is
that
because
we're
not
recommending
it,
it's
not
feasible
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
range
of
violence.
C
O
Katie
Knapp
I'm
a
flood
and
greenways
project
manager,
and
so,
as
far
as
the
different
mitigation
options
that
they're
looking
at
with
the
narrower
Greenway,
that
is
in
conjunction
with
detention
at
sat,
North,
Boulder
Park.
So
what
that
does
is
detain
waters,
and
so
you
have
smaller
flows
that
go
across
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
O
If
we
don't
do
the
detention
in
the
park,
then
you
need
a
a
wider
channel,
because
you
have
more
flows
that
go
across
the
but
go
across
the
Alpine
balsam
site,
but
in
either
scenario
we
don't
have
the
capacity
downstream
to
continue
the
channel.
So
even
if
you
put
it
another
option
is
to
put
it
in
a
pipe
blurt.
O
O
H
O
N
F
So
you
you
approach,
if
it
didn't
really
speak
to
it,
that
goose
creek
has
downstream
component
to
it.
That's
on
the
east
side
of
Broadway.
So
what
kind
of
work
has
been
done
to
work
with
people
who
own
land
on
the
east
side
of
Broadway,
so
we
have
the
ideal
shopping
center
or
whatever
they
call
it,
and
if
I
looked
at
the
floodplain
map,
some
of
that
drainage
could
also
go
across
the
street
on
Alpine
to
the
south,
so
the
goose
creek
floodplain
is
kind
of
a
sinuous
kind
of
flow.
O
Right
now
we
have
a
we're
working
on
a
flood
mitigation
study,
and
so
we've
looked
at
several
and
it's
Oh
goose,
creek
and
two
cannon
Creek
they're,
both
part
of
the
same
flood
mitigation
study
and
right
now
we
have
several
different
alternatives.
We've
been
getting
feedback
from
the
community
on
that
we
we've
had
several
different
public
meetings.
We
had
an
online
questionnaire
part
of
that
study.
You
might
recall
the
one
of
the
options
we
were
getting.
Feedback
on
was
also
the
Long's
garden
site
for
detention.
O
That's
all
part
of
that
whole
study,
and
so
we
have
been
reaching
out
to
the
community
getting
feedback.
We
are
now
taking
that
feedback
and
we're
looking
at
assessing
the
different
alternatives
to
come
up
with
an
overall
recommended
plan.
We
have
somewhat
put
that
process
on
hold,
because
this
is
a
great
opportunity
with
Alpine
balsam
to
get
that
input
on
detention
at
at
the
park
and
to
get
your
feedback
on
that,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
folding
that
back
into
our
our
analysis
as
we
are
developing
our
recommendations.
O
So
we
have,
we
have
sent
out
notifications
to
all
of
the
property
owners
and
all
of
the
people
that
live
in
the
areas
to
both
the
occupants
and
owners.
As
we
get
closer
with
our
forming
recommendations,
one
thing
that
we'll
will
be
doing
is,
having
you
know
those
one-on-one
sit-down
meetings
with
property
owners
and
neighborhood
groups
to
help
refine
those
alternatives.
So
we
have
not
at
this
point,
we
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
every
parking
on
it.
So.
F
So
there
may
be
some
scales
or
but
you
economies
of
scale
where
you
know.
Maybe
the
property
owners
are
interested
in
doing
something
across
the
street,
but
that
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
collaborate
and
I
would
think
something
like
drainage,
flood,
Creek,
I'm,
a
floodplain
drainage
might
be
a
great
opportunity
to
engage
people
who
would
be
impacted
at.
N
N
Right,
I'm
gonna
keep
going.
Let's
talk
about
access
and
mobility,
so
staff
work
with
consultants
to
study
the
trip
generation
and
develop
an
approach
for
access
and
parking
for
the
uses
that
we're
considering.
We
learned
that
the
number
of
vehicle
trips
estimated
to
be
generated
by
the
new
mix
of
uses
in
any
of
the
five
scenarios
would
be
lower
than
the
number
of
vehicle
trips
generated
when
the
hospital
was.
It
was
fully
operational.
N
There
is
strong
community
support
for
what
we
described
as
the
district
approach
so
similar
to
what
we
do
in
the
downtown
and
Boulder
junction
with
shared
parking,
a
commitment
to
transportation,
demand
management,
transit
and
proactive
ways
to
address
overflow
parking
in
the
neighborhood
people
generally
support
not
devoting
more
space
and
resources
to
building
more
parking
and
advisory
board
members
and
the
Planning
Board
strongly
supported
modeling
the
TMP
goals.
Here:
okay,
I'm
going
to
talk
just
briefly
about
each
of
the
scenarios
and
what
they
illustrate.
N
The
scenarios
were
informed
by
a
number
of
technical
studies
for
economics,
flood
and
transportation,
among
others.
These
all
assume
the
renovation
of
the
medical
pavilion
as
Michelle
had
described
and
with
additional
floor
with
an
additional
floor
as
the
most
efficient
way
to
meet
that
minimum
Civic
facility
need,
we
think
think,
of
the
scenarios
as
tools
that
illustrate
the
range
of
possibilities.
These
are
no
by
no
means
final
designs
and
we're
not
going
to
be
asking
you
to
choose
any
one
of
them.
We
are
not
recommending
any
one
of
them.
N
What
you
see
on
them
is
the
conceptual
configuration
of
buildings,
parking
flood
mitigation
and
the
sketch
of
the
building
massing.
So
of
the
five
scenarios,
there
are
two
bookends
that
are
high
intensity
and
really
test
the
ranges
of
mix
of
uses
three
in
the
middle
are
at
the
medium
or
mixed
intensity,
and
they
show
different
configurations
of
housing,
types
uses
and
circulation.
N
Okay
scenario:
one
illustrates
that
the
one
bookend
the
full
Civic
facility
uses-
and
this
was
really
both
the
city
and
the
counties
full
consolidation
needs.
We
recognize
that
this
doesn't
achieve
housing
goals
and
it
doesn't
achieve
that
vibrant
mix
of
uses
that
was
described
in
the
Vision
Plan,
but
it
illustrates
this
choice.
N
Scenario
two
illustrates
the
mix
mix
of
uses
with
housing
and
civic
facilities
with
multi-family
flats
and
civic
facilities
on
about
half
of
the
site.
This
one
would
achieve
about
55
units
and
it
shows
the
the
wider
Greenway
that
would
be
needed
if
there's
no
mitigation
than
North
Boulder
Park
scenario.
Three
illustrates
a
mix
of
housing
types.
There
are
about
a
hundred
and
forty
units
with
some
of
majority
of
them
as
townhomes
and
then
or
know
some
of
them
as
townhomes
and
some
as
multi-family
flats.
N
This
one
shows
a
moderate
amount
of
civic
facilities
and
with
the
plaza
closer
to
Broadway.
It
also
illustrates
that
narrower
Greenway
scenario
for
illustrates
most
of
the
housing
as
townhomes
with
just
a
sum
of
the
flats
along
Broadway,
and
it
shows
only
having
the
Civic
facilities
in
the
renovated
medical
pavilion.
This
one's
with
the
wide
Greenway
and
then
lastly,
scenario:
five
was
developed
seeking
to
understand
what
the
way
that
we
could
accommodate
the
most
housing
that
can
be
built
on
the
site,
including
still
that
moderate
level
of
civic
facilities
needed,
and
this
one
is.
N
F
F
A
L
L
L
C
If
you
want
to
convey
it
on
to
a
private
developer
and
if
there's
a
there's
a
point
you
come
to
and
of
course
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
that
is
where,
if
you,
if
the
community
expectation
is
that
of
a
quite
significant
portion
of
the
units,
are
gonna
be
affordable,
then
at
that
point
the
only
way
that
you
know
private
partner
could
make
that
pencil
would
be
to
have
essentially
a
zero
basis
in
the
land.
Yeah.
L
L
I
do
just
sort
of
want
to
remind
council,
as
we
consider
these
options,
that
the
townhomes,
which
are
pretty
modest
over
it,
sparked
the
martin,
the
market
rate
one
sell
for
about
a
million
and
the
townhomes
that
are
fairly
modest
in
size
along
east
pearl,
sell
for
about
1
5
to
1
8.
So
you
know
townhomes
can
look
like
cute
and
mature,
but
but
in
that
location
you
know
they're
about
1/5,
okay,.
F
So
this
is
a
question
from
our
packet
and
it's
on
packet,
page
74,
but
it's
22,
so
it
might
be
a
appendix,
but
it
starts
out
by
saying:
according
to
the
Newmark
night
Frank
third
quarter,
2017
market
trends,
boulders
office
market
has
experienced
negative
absorption,
increased
vacancy
and
flat
lease
rates,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
say,
as
of
that
third
quarter,
there
were
almost
7
million
square
feet
of
office,
space
and
802
of
that
is
vacant,
and
so
that's
about
eleven
point.
Five
six
percent.
So
I'm
curious.
What
is
there
a
healthy
vacancy
rate?
F
F
I'm
just
curious
because
I
think
in
the
various
scenarios
we
could
be
talking
anywhere
from
110,000
square
feet
of
office.
Space
up
to
I,
don't
know
400.
If
we
include
that
I,
don't
remember
all
the
numbers
if
we
included
the
county,
so
I
guess
so
I'd
like
it
an
answer
to
that,
because
if
we
have
all
this
excess
office
space,
then
maybe
we
shouldn't
be
creating
additional
office
space.
It's
just
the
point
and
I
guess
I
can't
make
it
comment.
You
can
I
well.
A
Right
so
just
hold
on
this,
because
we're
gonna
finish,
questions
get
to
this
last
section
and
then
we're
gonna
discuss
two
questions
on
the
flood.
Peace
and
one
is
just
some
unclear,
so
we
daylight
it.
We
have
the
Greenway
and
then
it
hits
Broadway
and
because
I
don't
quite
get
how
we
need
to
devote
so
much
conveyance
to
this
water.
If,
then,
it
has
to
go
down
the
sewer
again,
all
that
cable.
N
O
Some
of
that
is
going
to
depend
on
whether
or
not
there's
detention
or
not,
if
we're
reducing
those
flows.
So
if
we're
able
to
do
detention
in
the
park
and
reduce
those
flows,
then
we
can
direct
the
stormwater
into
the
existing
stormwater
system,
with
the
caveat
that
it's
still
going
to
be
some
overflow.
The
existing
stormwater
system
from
Broadway
down
does
not
have
the
capacity
to
accept
the
flows.
Our
mitigation
plan
is
looking
at
doing
improvements.
All
the
way
down
to
basically
or
Goose
Creek
has
been
been
widened
down
like
28th
Street
area.
O
That
area,
where
we've
done
improvements
in
the
past
has
hundred
your
capacity,
and
so
one
of
the
alternatives
were
looking
at
is
increasing
the
capacity
in
the
channel
up
through
to
19th
Street,
basically
at
19th
Street
is
where
the
channel
ends,
and
so
between
19th
Street
and
the
park.
We're
looking
at
either
doing
some
sort
of
channel
systems
some
sort
of
pipe
system
we're
getting
going
through
the
analysis
to
look
at
those
different
alternatives
to
figure
out
what
we
would
do
with
the
water.
Okay,.
A
O
Other
so
definitely-
and
you
could
still
do
the
the
redevelopment
at
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
What
we'd
need
to
do
is
once
the
flood
waters,
even
if
you
don't
detain
them
once
they
pass
through
the
site
at
the
downstream
end
of
the
state,
at
Broadway,
you'd
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
basically
spread
the
Mack
out
again
to
mimic
the
current
floodplain
conditions,
and
so
you
could
still
do
normally.
We
do
flood
mitigation
when
we're
doing
channel
work,
you're
working
from
the
downstream
side
up.
O
When
you
do
detention,
you
can
actually
reduce
those
flows
which
gives
you
some
benefit
through
the
whole
system.
In
this
particular
situation,
we
have
spills
that
come
down
from
2-mile.
We
have
different
as
you
go
down
the
system,
you
get
diminishing
returns
from
the
detention
at
the
park,
but
it
does
have
a
good
benefit
when
you're
looking
at
the
Alpine,
balsam
site
and
Broadway
in
that
immediate
area,.
D
O
D
A
O
Flood
events
as
well,
but
basically
you
can't
normally
when
you
contain
waters
and
and
for
one
site,
and
you
don't
have
the
capacity
downstream,
you
need
to
figure
out
a
system
to
mimic
the
existing
conditions
and
so
you'd
be
spreading
them
back
out
in
a
major
event.
So
that
would
flood
similarly
to
what
would
happen
in
a
flood
today
which.
O
O
O
A
Okay,
I
guess
I'll
just
say
that
Mical
de
new
Cadillac's
through
this
site,
but
then
it
goes
back
to
being
kind
of
a
piecemeal
system
kind
of
makes
me
I'll
just
say
it
makes
it
hard
to
understand
why
we
have
to
devote
so
much
of
the
site
to
this
water
if
we
don't
really
have
a
plan
for
when
it
leaves
the
site
anyhow
I'll.
Just
just
this
bed
feels
like
it
needs
more
discussion,
an.
O
Example,
an
example
of
where
we've
done
some
flood
mitigation
and
then
it
spreads
back
out
again
is
if
you're
familiar
with
the
violet
crossing
site
and
formal
Canyon
Creek.
So
that
was
that's
on
violet
and
Broadway.
There's
a
residential
development
there.
So
just
on
the
east
side
of
Broadway
channel
improvements
were
done
in
a
multi-use
path,
so
that
channel
improvement
there
was
able
to
allow
the
development
of
that
violet
crossing
site,
but
at
the
end
of
the
site
the
channel
ties
back
into
the
existing
channel.
O
F
On
that
particular
site,
I
mean
we
are
planning
to
at
a
nine
acre
park
to
the
east,
where
Four,
Mile,
Canyon
Creek
is
going
to
come
through
and
I.
Imagine
I,
don't
know,
but
I
imagine.
We
would
mitigate
that
to
help
contain
or
process
those
flood
flood
waters
through
there.
So
I
just
see
the
violet
crossing.
They
also
added
a
bunch
of
soil
there,
so
they
took
themselves
out
of
the
floodplain
and
across
the
creek.
F
They
also
took
what
will
be
the
North
Boulder
library
site
out
of
the
floodplain,
even
better
so
I
guess
I'm
still
somewhat.
You
know
at
that
site
that
you're
talking
about
there's
already
a
really
well
formed
channel
and
Alpine
and
awesome.
We
don't
have
a
well
and
I,
think
that's
kind
of
the
question
and
so
and
I
share
some
concerns.
I
mean
I
think
it
would
be
kind
of
important
before
we
go
down
this
too
far,
to
figure
out
how
we're
gonna
get
Goose
Creek
to
19th
and
Alpine
right.
O
F
So
I
have
a
question
about
the
detention,
so
you
know
I
can't
find
it,
but
you
have
like
a
4-foot
detention
and
North
Boulder
Park
and
my
question.
There
is
again:
what's
the
flood,
the
groundwater
level,
you
know.
So
if
you
go
down
four
feet,
are
you
gonna
see
water
I
mean
I,
know
at
my
house.
You
would
so.
F
O
As
far
as
looking
at
detention
in
the
park
as
you
as
you
dig
down,
what
we
would
need
to
do
is
look
at
what
sort
of
a
dewatering
sort
of
system
we
would
need
in
the
you
know
whether
it's
clay,
tile
system
or
whatever
that
can
take
that
groundwater
and
convey
it
down
through
the
system
so
that
we
have
that
capacity
during
a
flood
event
or
look
at
a
combination
of
doing
of
going
down
or
building
some
seat
walls
or
so
that
we
can.
You
know,
Behrman,
contain
things,
there's
different
options
for
that.
How.
F
O
A
H
Channels
and
so
I'm
wondering
how
those
two
channels
will
be
dealt
with,
because
one
of
the
channels
is
alpine
and
the
other
channel
is
between
the
houses
on
Alpine
and
north,
and
so
there's
a
bunch
of
structures
along
there
in
fences
and
all
that
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
part
of
the
evaluating
what
happens
with
with
Goose
Creek
is
part
of
the
area
plan
that
comes
together
with
what
happens
at
Alpine
balsam.
That
comes
together
with
a
broader
flood
plan
that
you're,
developing
and
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
how
that
comes
together.
H
O
So
right
now
we
have
alternatives
for
two
mile
and
produced
Creek
that
we've
gotten
feedback
from,
and
we
have
a
list
of
criteria
for
assessing
the
alternatives
and
they
include
things
like
putting
in
large
piped
infrastructure
or
putting
in
channels
so
we're
looking
at
both
of
those
different
options
and
right
now
we
don't
have
a
recommendation.
O
As
far
as
the
downstream
area
areas
that
you're
talking
about
this
area
plan
isn't
going
to
have
a
lot
of
impact
on
that,
but
it
will
impact
the
recommendations
that
we
have
for
this
upstream
area,
because
whether
we
do
detention
or
not
changes
the
flows,
it
changes
the
size
of
the
infrastructure
as
you
get
further
downstream.
We
have
so
many
different
flows
tying
into
it
that
it
doesn't
have
as
much
of
an
impact
on
on
the
size
of
the
channel
or
the
size
of
the
pipe.
If
we
go
in
that
direction,
so.
J
Yeah
my
question
is
in
looking
at
this
site
the
idea
and
what
you're
talking
about
with
either
the
swales
and
or
detention
is
to
mitigate
what
will
be
happening
on
this
site
and
also
mitigate
what
happens
downstream
to
the
best
of
your
ability
but
you're.
Not
this
isn't
part
of
this
whole
site
redevelopment
is.
J
It
is
that
this
is
more
storm
water,
flood
water
utility,
or
is
this
part
of
the
planning
effort
I'm
knowing
because
I'm,
because
we're
going
so
far
downstream
and
I
thought
we
were
actually
just
dealing
with
this
site
and
how
we
could
the
idea
of
mitigation?
Is
that
you?
Theoretically,
since
floods,
are
really
not
that
predictable,
you
do
no
harm
downstream
right,
so
getting
off
on
these
other
things,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
down
the
rabbit
hole
at
this
point
or
not.
J
O
So
the
mitigation
plant
study
that
I'm
working
on
includes
a
much
bigger
drainage
area
mm-hmm.
But
this
planning
effort
helps
inform
this
upstream
act
portion
and
it
also
is
important
for
the
redevelopment
of
this
site
because
one
way
or
another,
the
conveying
the
flows
across
the
site
needs
to
be
done
to
develop
the
site.
But.
J
J
D
C
We
can
either
do
nothing
in
North,
Boulder,
Park
leave
it
just,
as
is
in
which
case
we
we
would
need
to
devote
a
significant
portion
of
the
site
that
is
illustrated
by
the
wide
Greenway
in
order
to
accommodate
the
rate,
the
amount
and
rate
of
flow
coming
out
across
ninth
Street
to
this
site.
If
we,
if
we
were
willing
to
split
the
way
in
which
this
portion
of
the
upper
Goose
Creek
meets
its
proportional
share
of
flood
mitigation,
by
doing
you
know
the
several
feet
of
excavation
in
North
Boulder
Park,
that
Katie
was
describing.
C
That
would
allow
us
to
devote
less
of
this
site
to
the
conveyance.
In
other
words,
because
you
would
be
detaining
a
portion
of
the
flood,
the
flood
waters
in
North,
Boulder
Park,
and
therefore
you
would
have
less
of
a
conveyance
obligation
if
you
will
on
this
site.
So
one
of
the
choices
that's
before
you
is
is
simply
the
choice
of
like.
C
G
D
If
I
can't
I
understand
wants
to
say
something
but-
and
that
was
well-
it
was
clearly
presented
in
the
memo
and
I
guess
and
I
think
we
can
probably
weigh
in
on
that,
but
I
think
for
the
next
phase
and
I
still
am
not
clear
to
what
extent.
This
is
strictly
a
hundred
percent
required
for
this
site
versus
the
role
that
it
plays
in
the
larger
flood
medication
areas.
The
things
in
the.
I
A
P
A
Q
N
There
was
some
some
split,
but
there
was
a
pretty
strong
preference
about
being
able
to
do.
Detention
at
North,
Boulder,
Park
and
I.
Think
that's
with
the
caveat
of
the
design
work
and
the
initial
design
work
that
was
done
to
explore
how
we
might
do
that
to
preserve
trees,
to
preserve
uses
and
to
I
mean
I.
Think
in
it
I
understand
from
Katie
that
it
does
provide
some
life
safety
benefits
by
having
that
detention
in
the
park
and.
A
In
the
since
you
brought
it
back
up
the
when
you
say
preserved
uses,
you
mean
both
right
now.
Cross
country
skiing
happens
around
the
perimeter,
so
I
was
just
looking
at
the
photo
about
how
it's
it
kind
of
slides
right
in
yeah,
I'm,
just
curious.
If
that
use
is
considered
one
of
those
preserved
along
with
kind
of
big
playing
fields
in
the
middle.
Both
of
those
are
envisioned
as
being
able
to
continue
big.
D
C
And
this
should
only
take
a
few
minutes
on
on
the
sort
of
budget
and
finance
issues
based
upon
the
the
feedback
that
we've
received
from
the
community
and
prior
feedback
we've
received
from
Council.
As
you
can
see,
these
scenarios
that
we've
Illustrated
for
you
accomplish
a
lot
in
terms
of
community
objectives,
community
benefits
and
and
and
the
like,
in
the
in
the
form
of
high-quality,
diverse
housing.
We
don't
know
how
much
going
back
to
the
question
asked
earlier.
C
We
haven't
done
calculations
as
to
what
we
think
what
would
be
affordable
and
whatnot,
but
potentially
significant
amounts
of
housing,
flood
mitigation,
the
provision
of
high
quality,
high
quality
spaces
and
high
customer
service,
civic
facilities
and
high
quality
public
areas.
So
in
that
sense
these
scenarios
represent
a
significant
investment
by
the
city
in
achieving
council
priorities,
but
all
but
also
community
benefits
and
community
priorities.
C
Now,
if
going
beyond
that
in
terms
of
city
facilities,
the
kinds
of
things
we've
talked
about,
and
public
infrastructure
there's
a
very
wide
range
in
this
number
and
I
can
give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
about
that,
because
the
the
biggest
single
factor
driving
that
range
of
cost
estimate.
There
is
simply
the
magnitude
of
city
facilities,
because
you've
seen
the
scenarios
illustrate
all
the
way
from
relatively
modest
city
facilities,
the
brenton
building,
plus
the
pavilion
with
an
additional
story.
C
All
the
way
up
to
I
believe
250,
260
thousand
square
feet
of
city
facilities
that
accounts
for
most
of
that
range
that
you're
seeing
right
there.
The
public
infrastructure
costs
associated
with
the
site
redevelopment,
don't
very
certainly
by
orders
of
magnitude,
depending
on
which
scenario
you
choose
because
we're
talking
about
underground
utilities,
roadways.
C
It
was
over
400,000
square
feet
of
civic
facilities
that
would
require,
as
you've
seen
illustrated
there,
the
construction
of
a
new
parking
structure,
a
new
and,
as
you
know,
that's
about
forty
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
parking
space.
So
once
you
hit
that
threshold
of
having
to
construct
new
parking
in
addition
to
the
407
spaces,
we
have
in
the
existing
parking
structure,
as
well
as
the
parking
that
can
be
achieved
through
surface
parking
lot
and
tuck
under
part.
That's
a
pretty
big
threshold.
You
cross!
C
A
C
I,
don't
have
a
square
footage
in
my
head
that
exactly
corresponds
with
that
threshold.
As
you
can
see
on
scenario,
one
when
you've
got
four
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
square
feet
of
civic
and
county
facility
city
and
county
facilities,
you
have
to
build
a
new
parking
structure
that
has
you
know
four
or
five
hundred
spaces
in
it.
C
You
can
see,
for
example,
in
scenario,
two
just
going
from
scenario
1
to
scenario
2
when
you're
at
about
260
thousand
square
feet
of
Civic
facility,
which
is
the
Brenton
building
the
pavilion,
a
new
Civic
facility
on
the
north
side
of
the
site,
as
well
as
a
new
Civic
facility.
Just
westward
of
there
that's
260
thousand
square
feet.
We
can
still
meet
the
parking
needs
without
having
to
build
a
structured
parking.
So
I
don't
know
it's
somewhere
between
probably
the.
C
The
more
ambitious
you
get
in
terms
of
the
ability
to
meet
mobility
needs
through
alternatives
to
this
into
the
single
family.
You
know
to
the
single
person
car,
then
you
can
minimize
your
parking
needs,
but
I
understand
your
point.
We,
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
where
that
threshold
is
where
we
surpassed
that
and
thereby
have
to
build.
A
new
parking
structure.
So
here
is
here,
is
here?
C
Are
the
numbers
with
the
with
everything
total
now
one
of
the
key
features
of
this
mix
of
uses
that
we've
been
illustrating,
which
is
achieved
a
lot
of
community
goals
that
being
sort
of
housing?
The
creation
of
high
quality
Civic
facilities
is
that
this
is
not
a
mix
of
uses
that
is
going
to
tend
to
pay
for
itself
or
necessarily
attract
a
lot
of
private
and
private
partners,
because
it's
not
these
are
not
mixes
of
uses.
We're
private
partners
because
it
can
easily
pencil
out
a
level
rate
of
return
that
they
are
accustomed
to
seeing.
C
There
are
some
exceptions
to
that,
and
so
that
leads
me
to
next
steps,
which
is
that,
hopefully,
if
we
get
some
focused
feedback
from
you
tonight,
we
will
be
able
to
come
back
to
you
in
the
first
quarter
of
2019,
not
only
with
refined
cost
estimates,
but
really
some
ideas
that
we
would
like
to
discuss
with
you
and
get
your
feedback
on
on.
What
are
the
mechanisms
by
which
the
city
could
undertake
a
financial
effort
of
this
magnitude.
C
C
So
as
this
indicates
next
steps,
this
puts
a
priority
on
us,
the
the
feedback
you
you
have
and
are
going
to
give
us
tonight,
because
those
that
feedback
will
allow
us
to
continue
make
progress
along
this
schedule,
which
would
be
to
come
back
with
a
basically
a
preferred
scenario
based
on
the
feedback.
You
give
us
refined,
cost
estimates
and
the
discussion
of
how
those
costs
might
be
carried
by
the
city
that
would
lead
to
then
a
draft
plan
in
roughly
March
of
2019.
C
There
would,
of
course,
be
community
engagement
along
the
way
as
well
and
then
in
the
subsequent
months
to
March,
we
would
be
going
through
feedback
on
that
draft
plan,
refinement
to
that
draft
plan
and
then
in
May
and
June
the
enter
the
adoption
process
with
that
that
takes
us
to
the
questions
we
have
tonight
and
we've
structured
those
and
using
the
words
that
Jean
used
later,
which
are
the
feedback
around
the
fort.
What
is
the
mix
of
uses
that
council
would
like
to
steer
us
towards
the
ratio
there?
C
A
So
you
had
your
question
and
okay
I'm
sure,
there's
actually
a
lot
more
questions.
We
could
ask
I
think
we
should
give
ourselves
to
8:30
and
then
we
kind
of
need
to
move
on
which
is
15
minutes
more
than
we're
supposed
to
so
keep
in
mind.
We
are
at
some
point
we're
going
to
go
around
and
answer
those
questions
so
be
thinking
about
your
feedback.
P
Just
going
to
the
the
range
of
city
facilities
was
pretty
wide
from
10,000
feet
up
to
250,
oh
forget
about
the
county,
just
for
a
second
turn,
110
in
two
hundred
two
thousand
feet
and
I
know
weed
we
inventoried
13
buildings
and
some
we
feel
we
need
to
get
out
of
because
they're
in
the
floodplain
and
others
are
inefficient
and
others
we
rant
because
in
so
we
could.
There's
actually
is
a
slight
return
on
investment.
P
Where
do
we
can
we
find?
Or
when
are
we
gonna
get
that
information
with
respect
to
what
110
thousand
feet
does
for
us
and
what
250
thousand
feet
does
for
us
and
what
all
the
things
in
between?
Because
it's
really
hard
to
make
a
decision
about
whether
the
right
answer
is
110
250
or
some
number
to
me
ii
mean
unless
we
know
what
the
dependencies
are
and
what
the
impacts
are.
P
In
other
words,
presumably
if
it
was
110,
you'd
say
well,
these
these
three
buildings
are
going
to
move
and
if
it
was
a
150
as
these
seven
buildings,
if
it's
250
it's
all
these
buildings,
what
are
the
impacts?
Were
the
savings?
What
happens
to
the
space
I
mean?
There's
a
there's,
a
probably
a
hundred
questions
relating
to
that
and
because
the
amount
of
civic
space
that
we
put
in
here
has
a
tremendous
impact
on
the
amount
of
housing
we
put
in
here.
It
seems
like
we
have
to
answer
that
question
first,
I'll.
C
Take
a
shot
at
that
and
then
I'll
and
I'll,
let
Michelle
weigh
and
beyond
that,
just
to
give
you
sort
of
a
maybe
a
threshold
approach
with
the
with
the
22,000
square
feet
of
the
Brenton
building.
If
we
were
to
renovate
the
pavilion
and
at
an
additional
floor
to
it,
that
would
get
us
roughly
an
additional
90,000
square
feet,
so
we'd
have
about
a
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
square
feet
between
those
two.
C
It's
my
understanding
that
that
hundred
and
twelve
plus
or
minus
thousand
square
feet
would
enable
us
essentially
to
not
only
accommodate
what's
already
up
in
the
bretton
building,
but
to
move
folks
out
of
the
two
buildings
that
are
currently
located
in
the
high
hazard
zone,
that
being
the
new
britain
building
and
the
parkcentral
building.
So
that's
that's
one
threshold
Oh
Michelle
may
want
to
elaborate
on
that.
That's.
E
True
Jim,
and
that
also
includes
actually
likely
being
able
to
get
us
out
of
the
lease
spaces
Center
Green
Gate
again,
that
would
also
so
the
renovation
of
about
a
hundred
and
ten
yeah.
It's
just
repeat:
I
didn't
hear
reason.
It
would
likely
all
include
getting
us
out
of
the
lease
space
at
Center,
Green,
Center
Green
for
the
fire.
P
A
E
We
can
bookend
right
now
with
what
we
have
so
just
renovating
the
pavilion
and
adding
that,
in
addition
to
the
Brent
and
building,
essentially
accommodates
our
greatest
or
most
urgent
needs,
which
is
to
take
care
of
the
park
central
and
the
new
Brent
or
the
new
Briton
building
and
the
center
greenlease,
which
is
a
big
lease
that
we
carry
every
year.
The
250
gets
us
everything.
That's
that's
really
accommodating
everything
that
we've
studied.
In
that
analysis,
the
13
buildings.
P
Everything
I
mean
I
would
like
to
know
like
what
rent
does
that
save
us
and,
and
if
they're
buildings
that
we
own
is
there
is?
Is
there
a
value
to
those
balloons
that
we
can
capture
to
offset
the
big
numbers
that
we
saw
from
Jim
I
I
really
feel
like
I?
Don't
have
enough
information
to
make
an
informed
decision
so.
E
Our
analysis
that
we
looked
at
for
the
city
facilities,
we
assessed
the
space
and
the
need
so
in
looking
at
these
two
sites
where
the
opportunities
were,
but
what
does
need
to
accompany
this,
as
well
as
the
the
Civic
area
study
that
we've
done
is
understanding
what
value
we
do
get
back
when
we
build
these
new
buildings,
so
the
13
buildings
that
we
have
now
are
inefficient.
They
won't
meet
our
climate
commitments.
These
are,
they
will
need
upgrades
and
infrastructure
that
does
need
to
be
included
in
our
next
phase
of
this
financial
analysis.
P
How
are
we
going
to
narrow
it
down
from
five
to
some
number
less
than
five?
Unless
we
had
that
information?
Because
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
the
answer
is
110
250
or
something
in
between
me,
because
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
factors
rent
a
resale,
a
building
in
efficiencies.
All
these
other
things
like
when
does
that
invert
is
the
chicken
ray
I,
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
possibly
make
a
decision
on
the
range
between
110
and
250
unless
we
knew
that
information.
P
A
Then
I
guess
I
will
just
add
on
to
that
to
me.
There's
you
Stolte.
If
you
will
about
how,
where
do
we
want
to
group
these
things
like
we
I
think
we've
made
a
decision
long
ago
to
that
grouping.
Everything
around
development
in
one
spot
really
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
There's
a
cluster
around
human
services.
So
when
we
think
about
okay,
we're
spread
around
I
presume
we're
gonna
leave
open
space
where
well,
it
is
because
we
just
renovated
a
building
for
them
to
be
there
right.
A
So
I
guess
to
me
that
that's
also
part
of
it,
it's
kind
of
understanding.
What
do
we
get
if
we
lump
these
uses
or
if
we
lump
these
uses
with
the
county,
similar
uses
and
kind
of,
have
you
know
a
human
service
hub
that
includes
you
know,
I,
don't
know
to
me:
that's
also
part
of
it
in
addition
to
the
fiduciary
it's.
How
would
it
feel.
P
One
option
that
it's
missing
I
think
is
an
option
that
has
zero
Civic
space
right,
because
there
are
other
options
for
the
civic
space.
There's
there's
the
do-nothing
option
right,
which
I
know
people
don't
like
about
because
we
have
the
buildings
in
the
floodplain,
but
I
think
we
should
talk
about
that
and
then
there
are
also
spaces
around
town
the
weekend,
and
this
is
really
really
really
expensive
land.
P
And
the
question
is:
is
this
where
we
want
to
plop
down
110
to
250
thousand
square
feet
of
civic
space,
especially
since
we
have
a
huge
housing
need
and
you
know
for
every
square
foot
of
office
space
we
take
up
here.
That's
a
that's
a
square
foot,
more
or
less
of
housing
that
we
can't
accommodate
and
is.
Is
this
the
highest
and
best
use
of
this
land
on
Broadway
office
space?
Or
is
it
housing
or
is
there
something
else
that
discussion
yeah.
A
L
H
Now
I
forgot
my
question
No
so
to
Suzanne's
point
that
when
the
discussion
happened
about
whether
or
not
to
purchase
this
site,
it
was
the
main
reason
was
to
specifically
house
the
new
brand
building
and
the
other
one
in
the
hunt
parkcentral.
So
my
question
is:
to
what
extent
was
that
reasoning
at
that
point
in
time
because
of
the
financial
commitment
made
by
the
city?
Does
it
commits
us
to
using
it
for
those
uses?
H
C
And
one
if,
if
Jane
doesn't
mind
me
typing
in
I,
guess
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
but
I
play
one
on
TV
too
I
do
recall.
Looking
back
at
the
the
sort
of
the
2015
documents
regarding
the
purchase
and
one
of
the
decisions
was
made
there
as
I
understand
it.
There
are
two
types
of
certificates
of
participation
and
the
specifically
the
city
specifically
chose
the
type
of
certificate
of
participation
that
would
allow
some
port
some
yet
to
be
defined
portion
of
the
land
to
be
conveyed
on
for
other
development.
C
A
Okay,
but
the
question
we
have
a
force,
it
gets
that
mix
of
uses,
so
people
need
to
start
ringing.
It
sounds
like
we
would
like
to
have
light,
or
we
would
like
more
information
about
deciding
how
much
Civic
use
I
guess.
The
question
is:
are
people
still
of
the
mind
that
we
want
some
mix
of
housing
and
civic,
but
we
need
more
information
to
figure
it
out
there,
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
some
people.
So,
as
you
answer
us
start
weighing
in
on
that,
so
we
have
Mary
Sam
Cindy
Mayer
by
Lisa.
H
My
other
question
is:
is:
has
there
been
any
consideration
to
doing
the
the
converse
of
instead
of
having
the
county
services
be
at
the
site
to
do
the
other,
where
our
services
would
be
with
the
county
site
over
it,
iris
and
Broadway?
Something
like
that,
the
ones
that
have
synergies
like
housing
and
human
services,
for
example,
and
as
well
as
transportation,
coincidentally,
the
two
that
are
housed
right
now
in
the
old
kaiser
building
I,
often
see
because
I
live
in
that
area.
H
I
often
see
city
employees
walking
over
to
meet
with
county
employees
and
vice
versa.
So
if
they
were
co-located,
there
would
be
some
I
think
really
good
synergies
there.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
Could
we
look
at
seeing
as
the
county
moves
through
its
process
to
look
at
saying?
Well,
maybe
we
could
share
this
space
with
you
doing
it.
The
other
way
around,
but
but
I
do
think
that
there
should
be
some
mix
of
Civic
uses
and
housing
at
the
Alpen,
bison
balsam
site
and
all
of
that
market
analysis.
H
That
said,
the
office
isn't
a
good
use
and
the
retail
is
there's
plenty
of
it
and
I
think
all
of
that,
for
me
at
least,
and
and
the
input
from
the
community
so
far,
points
towards
something
like
presented
in
three
also
in
terms
of
the
parking
and
the
Civic
uses,
because
that's
one
hundred
and
ninety
one
thousand
square
feet
of
civic
uses.
That's
closer
to
that
two
hundred
and
fifty
so
in
terms
of
the
intensity
and
building
heights.
That
particular
one
I
think
that
moving
some
of
that
conveyance
area
somewhere
towards
the
inside
of
the.
H
The
buildings
that,
with
a
within
the
site,
I
think
would
make
sense.
Otherwise
it
makes
it
look.
It's
not
quite
I,
guess
the
urban
form
that
we
would
be
looking
forward,
though,
with
buildings
up
to
the
sidewalk.
So
if
and
if
possible,
to
use
that
particular
new
Street
as
part
of
the
kind
of
conveyance
that
might
work
and
then
with
respect
to
access
and
mobility,
I
think
there.
We
also
could
use
a
lot
more
information
and
again
because
because
I
lived
there,
there's
a
lot
of
I
have
a
lot
of
anecdotal
evidence.
H
Is
it
a
multi-modal
trip?
Is
it
a
car
trip?
So
it
would
be
good
to
know
what's
going
on
with
that
and
and
to
really
understand
what
the
impacts
are
going
to
be.
Of
course,
if
it's
true
that
the
that
the
impacts
of
parking
aren't
going
to
be
as
great
as
they
would
be
with
office
uses,
then
maybe
it's
a
moot
point,
but
I
think
that
it
would
be
great
to
leverage
cedar
in
any
kind
of
way
that
the
students
would
be
helpful
in
really
identifying.
I
I
agree
with
you
and
Bob
Suzanne
and
Bob
about
the
need
for
more
information
about
exactly
which
buildings
would
correspond
to
you
know
the
first
priorities
to
put
into
the
specific
use
space,
I'm,
probably
inclined
to
be
on
the
low
end
of
the
civic
use
space
of
a
hundred
and
ten
hundred
and
twenty
thousand,
but
I
still
really
do
want
us
to
be
able
to
get
those
two
municipal
buildings
out
of
the
high
hazard
flood
zone.
It's
something
that
we
committed
to
a
long
time
ago
and
kind
of
like
moving
the
fire
station.
Three.
I
It's
something
I
think
we
should
follow
through
on,
because
we
have
this
opportunity,
which
you
know
we
we
created
consciously
to
do
that
like
Mary,
so
I
would
say
you
know,
I
want
some
civic
facilities,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
lot
and
I
definitely
want
the
housing.
There.
I
looked
at
the
scenario
three
also
and
liked
that
one
nice
balance
and
that
it
has
a
lot
of
housing.
I
Now
maybe
the
mix
of
townhouse
uses
isn't
exactly
where
we
want
to
go,
but
I
also
think
that
we've
had
kind
of
an
aspirational
goal
for
this
project,
that
it'd
be
mixed
income
and
that
it'd
be
some
ownership
and
some
rental,
and
so
I
would
not
want
this
to
see
we're
not
wanting
to
see
us
going
down
a
pathway.
That's
all
rental.
I
would
like
to
see
some
ownership
as
smaller's.
Better
less
expensive
is
better
and
maybe
it
can
be
permanently
affordable.
I
If,
if
we
do
the
ownership
units
that
way
and
then
part
of
the
rentals,
so
I
think
that
answers
most
of
number
one
I
think
you
know
it's
pretty
clear.
That
mix
35
to
55
foot
is
something
that
a
bunch
of
the
community
supports.
So
it's
you
do
have
some
55
foot
so
that
you
can
get
some
additional
dwelling
units,
but
I
think
that
varying
that
across
the
site
and
where
it
steps
down
towards
the
back
so
further
from
Broadway,
is
where
the
lower
buildings
are
I.
I
Think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
access
and
mobility.
I
think
Mary
said
a
lot
of
really
important
things
about
that.
I,
definitely
don't
want
to
add
so
much
Civic
space
that
we
would
ever
trigger
having
to
build
a
new
garage
that
is
absolutely
I
think
would
be
a
huge
mistake
and
a
waste
of
space.
So
whatever
that
number
is,
we
definitely
want
to
stay
below
it
so
that
we're
not
having
to
build
up
a
garage-
and
you
know
with
this
additional
population-
that's
going
to
be
here.
I
It
certainly
is
gonna
call
out
for
more
transit
and
so
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
take
a
look
at.
Do
we
buy
up
more
routes
on
Broadway
or
how
do
we
do?
How
do
we
address
it
so
that
this
becomes
the
transit
oriented
development
that
we've
been
talking
about,
and
then
flood
mitigation
I
have
to
say,
I'm,
really
just
very
ambivalent
about
this
I
think
you
could
do
it
in
the
way
it's
shown
on
three
I
guess
the
one
thing
I'm
not
ambivalent
about
is.
I
I
would
like
to
see
a
serious
look
at
flood
detention
in
the
park
because
it
reduces
the
amount.
However
much
that
is,
of
transport
of
the
water
that
we
have
to
set
aside
land
for
so
I.
Think
that's
about
it.
I
mean
I'm.
I
know
that
there
this
hearing
this
study
session
raised
as
many
questions
as
it
answered,
but
I
think
it's
really
good
to
be
focusing
down
and
getting
real
specific
on
kind
of
what
we
want
to
have
answered
next,
so
that
we
can
make
progress
thanks.
J
J
So,
as
Sam
just
said,
we're
asking
as
many
questions
as,
but
that's
I
take
it.
What
this
is
about,
I
would
have
a
couple
of
questions
before
getting
into
any
of
the
rest
of
it
about
the
spaces
on
north
and
behind
the
the
brenton
building.
Is
that
the
new
Brenden
built
the
Brenden
building
they're
too.
G
N
Answer
the
first
one
on
the
on
the
couple
of
small
parcels:
there's
the
Breton
building
parking
and
then
there's
the
other
a
little
little
parcel
there
they're
not
of
a
size
or
configuration
that
we
can
do
too
much
with
as
far
as
yields
so
they're
personally
on
hold
for
this
round
of
scenario,
building
and
I'm
sure
that
they
would
be
being
play.
Regarding
the
economics
we
could
we're
in
the
red
house
there
and
I'll.
Let
a
Michelle
answer.
The
parking
deck
question
wait.
A
C
In
answer
to
Cindy's
question
about
the
the
existing
parking
structure,
we
don't
have
a
ready
answer
to
that,
but
we
will
look
into
that
so
that
when
we
come
back
to
you
with,
you
know
more
refined
scenarios.
We
have.
We
have
the
information
as
to
whether
we
can
meet
our
party
needs
by
potentially
expanding
that
or.
J
Be
great
because
one
of
the
the
things
that
stood
out
was
how
much
it
was
gonna
cost
to
do
the
deck.
The
pavilion
building
to
put
on
that
extra
floor
up
there
and
again
going
back
to
what
Bob
said
about
the
value
of
these
the
area
itself,
I'm
wondering
if
I
mentioned
it
the
last
time
we
went
through
this.
That
might
be
a
nice
way
to
recoup
some
of
the
value.
That's
going
into
this
to
put
out
some
kind
of
housing
up
there.
J
That
would
still
not
be
as
crammed
in
looking
as
this
number
five,
which
and
I'd
like
to
see
a
variety
of
heights
and
I
think
that
it
can,
the
height
can
be
mitigated
when
it
goes
up.
If
it's
set
back
or
even
as
the
hospital
is
closer
to
the
street
on
Broadway,
it's
just
everyone
just
seems
to
be
used
to
it.
I'd
like
to
see
more
workforce
housing,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
one
and
senior
housing.
The
workforce.
J
Housing
is
what's
really
being
forced
out
of
the
city
and
causing
the
the
in
transportation
that
we
see
I'd
like
to
see
senior
some
senior
housing
and
I'd
also
really
like
to
see
some
housing.
First,
there
some
way
housing
first,
just
because
it's
so
close
to
all
of
the
necessary
things,
and
if
not
there,
then
up
at
the
iris
site,
but
that
we
really
start
addressing
those
kinds
of
needs
as
well.
J
If
we're
gonna
be
looking
at
parking
like
something
like
a
neighborhood
parking
plan,
east
of
Broadway
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
looking
west
because
those
people
are
really
going
to
be
impacted
as
well.
If
there
aren't
enough
other
ways
of
dealing
with
the
parking
with
a
flood
detention,
pretty
much
I
agree
with
dealing
putting
the
north
older
Park,
using
it
as
a
detention
space.
Q
Q
Okay,
so
with
regards
to
civic
use,
I
guess
I
agree
with
Bob
and
I
just
like
to
see
the
trade-offs
in
terms
of
on
the
monetary
amount
more
clearly,
because
if
this
is
going
to
in
the
long
run,
save
the
city
a
lot
of
money
as
well
as
be
safer
for
the
employees
and
more
efficient
again.
That,
for
me
weighs
a
little
bit
more
heavily
and
I
almost
would
be
curious.
Just
just
in
terms
of
your
guys's
thoughts.
Q
Q
Are
those
neighbors
or
are
they
people
living
in
other
portions
of
the
city,
because
the
way
I
would
think
about
it
is
if
I
was
a
neighbor
and
I
use
that
and
I'm
closer
to
it
and
have
a
lot
more
use
for
it?
I
would
say
no,
but
if
I
lived
in
other
portions
of
the
city-
and
it
had
no
effect
on
me-
I'd
be
like
oh
yeah
of
course-
use
it.
So
I
kind
of
would
wonder
how
if
we
have
data
on
where
those
people
lived
when
they
put
those
numbers
in
I.
Q
Think
the
housing
again
it
needs
to
somewhat
match
the
neighborhood.
So
I
know
that
there
is
high
density
and
there's
more
medium
density
in
the
area
and
I.
Think
again,
this
is
a
great
area
with
the
transit
to
really
put
some
wonderful
workforce
and
hopefully,
senior
and
mix
housing
in
there.
So
I
do
support
that.
I,
like
the
idea
that
Sam
brought
up
in
terms
of
it,
would
be
nice
to
have
some
units
available
for
purchase
just
because
I
think,
there's
and
again.
Q
If
we
can
try
and
figure
it
out
with
your
your
plan,
your
in
Bob's
plan
with
the
down
payment
assistant
would
be
marvelous
and
then,
in
terms
of
height.
For
me
again,
looking
at
the
surveys,
it
to
me
shows
that
the
majority
of
people
are
not
interested
in
55
foot
story,
buildings
again,
57
percent,
no
more
than
35
percent
and
that's
a
decent
majority.
Q
For
me,
forty
seven
point:
seven,
which,
because
of
the
way
the
pie
was
split,
was
a
majority
where
they
didn't
support
foreign
five-story
buildings
on
Broadway
and
sixty-two
point
four
percent
said
no
buildings
taller
than
35
percent.
In
again,
this
is
in
the
survey
I
like
what
Cindy's
idea
was,
and
maybe
fifty
five
foot
if
it
had
setbacks
and
so
that
it
looked
like
almost
had
the
Google
building
I
think
they
actually
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
not
looking
like
a
55
foot
story.
Q
F
So
yeah,
knowing
what
are
the
buildings
are?
We
have
a
diagram
in
here
where
we
have
14
buildings
and
then
it
shows
like
a
hundred
and
ten
is,
has
five
buildings
and
I'm,
just
assuming
those
are
uses
or
something
I,
don't
know
what
they
are
and
then
there's
a
hundred
and
fifty
square
feet,
and
you
have
ten
ten
little
buildings
and
then
250
with
all
the
buildings.
F
So
I
just
I'd
like
to
know
what
it
is,
but
I
still
am
a
little
nervous
about
building
more
office
space,
given
that
we
have
kind
of
a
saturated
market
right
now
and
I
personally
think.
The
last
thing
we
need
is
more
house
more
office.
We
need
more
housing,
so
I
would
I
would
like
to
see
I.
Think
I'm,
agree
with
Sam
in
terms
of
I
would
like
to
probably
dedicate
that.
F
South-East
corner
of
the
site
to
city
uses
I'm,
not
so
interested
in
in
pairing
with
the
county
and
in
reading
the
memo
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
counties
either
sees
that
as
a
high
priority,
so
I
think
that's
great
I
I
do
think
if
we
can
find
some
synergies
in
departments
that
might
be
helpful,
but
I'm
not
I'd.
I
am
I'm,
mostly
in
favor
of
the
housing
on
this
site
and
for
me,
I
I
wouldn't
put
all
housing
and
we
keep
talking
about.
Oh
well,
let's
put
or
some
people
it
was
put.
F
I
I,
like
I,
guess
scenario,
three
very
much
but
I'd
like
to
see.
If
we
could
go
up
above
a
hundred
and
forty
units,
we
could
do
better
than
that.
Couldn't
we
I
I
think
we
could
and
I
agree
with
Cindy
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
the
different
mix
of
uses,
housing
types
so
I'd
like
to
see
some
market
rate,
housing
for
sale,
housing
and
housing
first
and
permanently,
affordable
housing,
but
I
think
this
site
should
be
mostly
housing
while
serving
the
city's
needs.
I
also
would
hope.
F
And
I
think
that's
that
oh
and
I
think
I'm
fine
with
North
Boulder
Park
but
I
think
in
terms
of
mitigating
some
of
the
flood
detention
there.
But
I
think
we
want
to
be
careful
that
we
do
do
clay
tiles
or
something
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
now
creating
a
mosquito
breeding
area.
For
this
part
of
the
city.
D
Well,
I
think
Bob
for
bringing
up
those
issues
about
needing
more
information
about
the
city
facilities,
I
I'm
concerned
about
the.
What
are
cracked
with
the
practicality
is
of
our
different
options
and
I
feel
like
we
don't
know
enough
right
now,
so
I
think
the
feedback
that
we're
giving
is
I
think
hopefully
really
helpful,
but
I
think
we're
at
the
point
where
we
can
narrow
down
to
a
scenario
and
the
I'm
I'm
really
very
concerned
about
the
costs
and
the
feasibility
of
accomplishing
some
of
these
options.
D
I
think
I,
don't
know
where
we
would
find
two
hundred
and
forty
million
dollars,
and
you
know
looking
at
all
the
different
other
things
that
we're
working
on
how
expensive
they
are
and
that
when
we
have
something
costs,
a
few
million
dollars,
that's
relatively
doable
within
our
various
resources,
but
240
million
I.
Honestly
I,
don't
know
where
that's
coming
from
where
we
would
find
the
dollars
for
that.
D
If
we
say
hey,
we
want
to
do
kind
of
more
of
this
scenario
and
you
say:
okay,
that's
fine,
that'll
require
you
know
a
percent
and
a
half
sales
tax.
You
know,
and
then
we
can
do
that
whoa.
Okay,
that
would
be
a
problem,
so
so
I
think
we
really
need
more
information,
but
and
given
given
that
I
agree
with
what
other
other
folks
have
said,
that
I
do
think
that
the
focus
of
the
site
should
be
more
on
housing.
D
I
do
think
we
should
have
some
city
facilities
here,
but
it
seems
to
me
like
the
in
terms
of
how
much
we
have
that
may
be.
The
minimum
amount
is
the
bretton
building
plus
the
medical
pavilion
with
the
extra
floor,
and
that
may
be
that
to
me,
is
sort
of
your
minimum
amount
and
then
I
would
look
for
the
case
to
be
made.
D
Oh
well,
but
if
you
add
fifty
thousand
more
square
feet,
gosh
that
gets
us
out
of
XY
and
Z
building
that
costs
us
all
this
money
and
it
would
really
work
out
really
well
so
to
me,
I'd
like
to
see
more
housing,
but
I
would
need
to
see
the
case
for
it
in
terms
of
what
it
gets
us.
What
what
advantages
against
us?
D
D
The
housing
is
mentioned,
but
I
I
know
the
retail,
isn't
maybe
the
highest
and
best
use
from
a
financial
standpoint,
but
putting
say
on
the
north
east
corner
a
couple
thousand
square
feet
of
retail
as
a
wrap.
I
think
that
served
some
of
the
city
facilities
and
the
residents
and
things
like
that.
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
a
huge
competition.
I
think
it
would
be
very
doable
and
I
think
it
would
add
to
the
walkability
and
the
vibrancy
of
that
location.
D
D
I
think
Cindy
said
that,
in
terms
of
Heights,
there's
certainly
room
for
a
55-foot
buildings.
Here
the
existing
buildings
are
taller
than
that,
but
I
wouldn't
put
them
on
9th
Street
said
to
me.
This
sort
of
the
kind
of
obvious
thing
to
do
is
to
put
the
shorter
buildings
over
on
ninth
Street.
Maybe
for
that
first,
when
we
only
have
half
the
block-
maybe
that's
the
section.
D
That's
you
know,
2
to
3
storeys
35
feet
and
then
going
east
from
there's
where
you
have
the
the
taller
buildings
and-
and
you
can,
you
can
relieve
the
density
of
those
taller
buildings
with
a
really
well
done
site,
like
folks,
have
talked
about
with
a
variety
of
heights,
so
it's
not
just
blocky
and
boxy,
but
also
of
getting
the
green
space
interior
to
the
site.
So
I'm
like
the
currently
there's
this,
as
this
comes
from
suburban
setback,
feel
on
that
North
Side.
D
The
way
it
keeps
being
done
and
I
get
that
you
didn't
want
to
reduce
the
development
potential,
but
I
think
you
could
make
it
part
of
the
open
space
for
the
housing
so
that,
if
greenspace
starts
in
the
middle
of
the
block,
it
could
go
through
and
not
and
just
be
part
of
the
program,
not
loss
of
developable
space.
You
could
also,
and
then,
as
you
hit,
maybe
the
more
intense
buildings
to
the
east.
It
could
divert
you
know,
maybe
that's
where
you
put
it
to
the
north.
D
Maybe
that
doesn't
follow
the
topography,
but
you
might
be
able
to
dig
a
little
bit
and
make
that
work.
So
it
doesn't
have
to
be
linear.
You
know
you
could
make
something
beautiful
and
sinuous
that
I
think
really
adds
to
the
the
neighborhood
amenity,
so
I,
consider
being
being
creative
with
that.
I'll
agree
with,
what's
been
said
about
getting
that
some
flood
detention
in
North,
Boulder
Park
too,
so
that
you
have
more
flexibility
with
what
that
green
space
looks
like.
Is
it
I'd
really
emphasize?
D
You
know
doing
in
such
a
way
that
it's
it's
beautiful
and
and
contributes
to
the
site
and
then
tweak
what
flood
conveyance
in
detention,
because
we're
kind
of
work
backwards
from
that.
Maybe
one
of
the
thought
on
the
on
the
site
layout
there's
some
of
them
that
had
multiple
connecting
streets,
which
seemed
like
a
little
bit
too
much
space
devoted
to
right-of-way
and
loss
of
space.
I
think
permeability
is
really
important,
but
I
think
it
should
focus
on
bike
pad
permeability.
D
D
But
the
financial
piece
is
an
important
part
of
that,
because
if
at
some
point
we're
going
to
need
some
really
chunk
of
money,
that
could
be
something,
even
though
we
got
all
of
our
other
ducks
lined
up
in
a
row
that
made
us
sit
there
for
two
or
three
years,
I'd
hate
to
see
us
fully
deconstruct
and
have
an
empty
bathtub.
And
then
we
don't
have
the
money.
Maybe
it's
dependent
on
a
vote
and
we're
left
empty
for
a
long
time.
D
L
It
renewed
some
great
comments,
so
I'm
gonna
agree
with
you
and
a
lot
of
points
and
then
I'll
Devere
off
a
little
bit
so
agree
with
Aaron
on
timing
and
scheduling
on
civic
use,
issues
on
flood
detention
on
some
retail
rap
and
then
on
the
height
in
terms
of
not
being
you
know,
55
feet
at
ninth
Street,
but
as
much
55
feet.
I
think
is
we
can
get
in
beyond
9th
Street
would
would
definitely
be
good.
I
mean
keep
in
mind,
it's
so
pretty
low
height.
L
L
L
L
Maybe
we
veer
off
of
our
traditional
code
that
sort
of
lends
itself
to
square
brick,
buildings
and-
and
you
know,
really
try
to
encourage
a
mix
of
materials
and
forms
and
shapes
and
turrets
and
Gables,
and
you
know
all
that
I
think
that
connecting
it
over
to
East
bookend
would
be
wonderful,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
at
all
in
the
plan,
but
you
know
that
13th
Street
corridor
already
has
a
nice.
It's
a
nice
cycle
way
and
a
lot
of
pedestrians
use
it
and
there's
KC
middle
school
work,
tons
and
tons
of
kids
ride.
L
L
P
Wrote
jobs
that
could
be
efficient,
I,
you
know,
but
as
high
as
I'm
willing
to
go
on
the
civic
office
space
110
thousand
feet,
and
that's
only
because
that's
what
the
size
of
the
bread
and
building
the
pavilion
are
and
that's
kind
of
stuck
with
those
anyway
I
think
anything
more
than
that.
I
have
to
be
convinced
on.
We
need
all
the
information
that
I
asked
for
and
even
on
the
pavilion
building.
P
I
agree
with
Cindy
I
know:
I
need
to
understand
the
case
of
a
building
that
extra
20,000
feet
or
whatever,
on
top
of
it,
if
it
makes
sense
from
a
return
on
investment
standpoint.
That's
fine,
but
I
still
need
to
see
that
case
and
why
we
need
to
add
that
extra
20,000
feet
so
I
may
be
at
90
thousand
feet
right
now,
which
is
the
existing
footprint
of
the
the
two
billions
that
we
have
to
load
that
we're
already
using
you
know
we
have
to
use.
P
I
would
like
to
see
just
as
an
interesting
data
point
whether
we
could
build
to
the
south
of
the
Brennan
building.
I
know
gene.
You
were
a
little
dismissive
of
that
and
maybe
you've
got
some
good
information
on
that
middle
of
that
there's,
a
pretty
big
the
land
right
immediately
south
of
the
Breton
building
and
it's
an
existing
building
I
just
wondered
if
we
can
expand
the
building
to
the
south.
Maybe
there's
a
good
reason
that
we
can't.
P
So
if
you,
if
we
do
need
that
extra
20,000
on
top
of
the
pavillion
I'm,
just
wondering
if
that's
an
alternative,
maybe
it's
more
expensive,
Verdun
doesn't
work.
You
don't
answer
the
question
now:
I'm
just
curious
I'm
with
Lisa
I,
don't
know
that
I
don't
want
to
add
any
more
office
space
than
where
do
you
have
right
there
if
you
need
to
add
office
space
so
there's
an
economic
reason
why
we
need
to
add
office
space.
P
Let's
look
at
other
parts
of
town,
but
let's
just
go
with
the
bare
minimum
here
is
kind
of
where
I'm
at
I
do
like
Mary's
idea
of
co-locating
with
the
county
and
Irish
and
Broadway
I.
Don't
think
you're
hearing
a
whole
lot
of
enthusiasm
here
for
raddion
County
space
at
the
hospital
site,
but
I
think
Mary
raised
a
good
idea
out
at
extent
that
we
do
have
facilities
around
town
that
are
costing
us
money
or
inefficient
or
whatever.
P
So
I
don't
have
any
strong
feelings
other
than
the
obvious
point
that
Aaron
raised,
which
is
it
should
start
tall
on
the
east
and
get
shorter
as
it
goes
to
the
west.
I
get
your
point
about,
you
know,
get
as
much
affordable,
housing
and
there
as
possible,
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
have
a
mix
of
market
and
affordable
because
the
market
pays
for
the
affordable.
P
You
know
I
think
Curt
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
roughly
affordable
housing
cost
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
door
to
build
and
tax
credits
and
financing
take
up
about
two
thirds
there,
but
still
cost
the
city
out
of
pocket
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
unit.
So
we
were
200
units
at
$100,000,
a
door
in
there
that's
20
million
dollars
has
got
to
come
from
someplace,
and
so
maybe
we
do
build
a
couple
of
nice
townhouses
or
whatever.
They
are
along.
Ninth
Street
to
fund
the
other
housing.
P
So
I
don't
want
to
take
that
off
the
table.
I
don't
know
what
the
mix
is,
but
it's
got
to
work
out
economically
I
agree
with
everybody
on
flood
mitigation.
If,
if
this
is
our
number
one
priority
in
the
city
and
flood
mitigation,
then
let's
do
North
Boulder
Park,
I
kind
of
feel
like
this
is
more
opportunistic,
which
is
hey,
were
digging
things
up.
P
So
why
don't
we
fiddle
with
this,
but
I'd
like
to
preserve
as
much
of
the
land
in
in
the
footprint
before
housing
and
in
offices
as
we
can
and
if
flood
mitigation
is
necessary?
Then,
let's
look
to
look
to
the
park
so
with
all
that
said,
I
suppose,
if
I
had
to
pick
one
of
the
scenarios
scenario,
three
is
closest,
but
I
would
do
it
with
a
lot
less
Civic
space,
because
I
think
that
has
90,000
square
feet
of
civic
space
and
finally,
on
economics,
Jim.
P
You
can
tell
us
where
we
can
find
you
under
million
dollars.
Those
numbers
are
just
mind-boggling,
so
I
think
you
know
before
we
get
too
far
down
this
path.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
better
understanding
what
our
funding
sources,
or
maybe
it's
selling
a
bunch
of
really
big
condos
on
Main,
Street
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
I
you
know,
I,
don't
want
to
spend
a
whole
lot
of
staff
time
on
this
stuff
and
then
and
then
run
up
against
a
brick
wall
of
an
old
economic.
A
Okay,
I
get
the
last
word
so
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what's
been
said,
but
not,
although
it's
been
said,
I
guess
so,
yes
mix
of
uses,
I
guess
I
am
interested
in
Caloocan
co-locating
with
the
county,
there's
no
way:
they're
gonna.
Let
us
move
into
iris
and
there's
a
quid
pro
quo
there.
So
so,
if
we
want,
if
we
like
the
idea
of
affordable
housing
up
on
iris,
then
we
should
think
about
it.
A
So
if
you've
been
to
Google
I'm,
not
the
historic
everybody
has
their
office
space
I
think
those
days
are
over,
but
the
idea
of
some
synergistic
hubs,
whether
it
is
around
transportation,
which
is
true,
we
work
very
closely
with
the
county
on
those
issues
or
Human
Services
I-
think
that
that's
interesting
would
be
compelling
and
as
in
keeping
with
kind
of
the
kind
of
civic
space,
I
think
we're
trying
to
create
on
that.
We
mentioned
earlier
incubator
space
I.
Don't
think
we
need
that
here.
I
think!
A
A
What
we
would
a
couple
scenarios
if
we
moved
this
amount
here,
what
we
would
guess
we
can
actually
picture
it,
both
the
finances
and
what
it
feels
like
for
our
citizens,
terms
of
flood
I
guess
I
need
to
it
needs
to
make
sense
in
terms
of
the
whole
picture,
but
I'm
getting
anyhow
I
think
we
need
more
information
on
how
this
would
work.
I
like
what
people
said
about.
Let's
make
the
green
space
work
within
the
space.
A
Let's
not
make
it
linear,
I
I,
see
where
we're
headed
with
using
North
Boulder
part,
but
I
would
just
specify
that
is
a
huge
public
amenity
that
is
very
well
used
and
so
I
wouldn't
say
it
lightly.
I
only
you
get
to
use
it
for
flood
detention
if
you
preserve
the
magic,
which
is
that
Park,
so
I
guess
to
me,
I
want
to
understand
it's
amazing
to
go
there
after
it
snows.
It
is
stilled
with
people
cross-country,
skiing
and
I'm,
not
saying
that's
more
important
than
housing,
but
it's
one
of
the
delightful
things
about
Boulder.
A
So,
let's
preserve
that
as
we
move
forward,
I
guess
absolutely
mix.
Let's
get
a
lot
of
housing
there.
Let's
make
it
interesting.
Absolutely
none
of
these
yeah
I'm
done
with
boxes,
let's,
let's
think
about
the
places
where
we've
done
housing
right
that
people
like
and
learn
those
lessons
and
I
guess
on
the
Civic
end.
I
hope
that
whatever
we
build
and
I
do
think
we
should
I
I'm
embracing
the
civic
use
they're
more
than
you
are,
but
that
that
space
should
soar
as
well.
It
should
be
interesting,
compelling
and
absolutely
no
more
structured
parking.
I.
A
N
Feels
like
we
need
to
bring
back
a
little
bit
more
information
about
those
types
of
those
types
of
trade-offs
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
while
them
I
didn't
want
you
guys
to
have
the
impression
that
the
memo
was
shutting
down.
The
information
in
the
memo
was
shutting
down.
The
cooperation
with
the
county
I
think
we've
probably
got
a
little
more
turn
again
with
our
Civic
uses
or
others
about
what
that
might
achieve.
What
the
the
potential
for
housing
is.
N
A
Then
can
we
fold
that
a
little
bit
more
into
that
conversation
if
we're
gonna
have
another
check-in
is
to
say
in
the
scenarios,
if
they're
willing
to
look
at
both
sites
just
to
see
what
we
get
collectively,
and
maybe
people
aren't
interested,
but
let's
be,
let's
understand
what
we
could
have
or
not.
Well,.
F
If
I
can
respond
to
that,
that
that's
one
thing
but
I
think
we
don't
want
to
move
people
farther
out
out
and
out.
We
want
to
keep
people
centered.
So
from
my
perspective,
if
the
county
wants
to
have
or
office
space,
that
I
was
in
Broadway,
that's
great,
but
I
think
we
need
to
use
this
site
for
a
bunch
of
housing
and
so
and
that's
what
I
was
talking
about
when
I
was
saying,
you
know
transitory
or
you
know
these
nodes
of
development.
J
Wanted
to
say
something
about
financing
I
sent
an
article
to
the
council
and
to
hotline
about
proposition
C
and
that
at
that
time
was
pending
before
the
San
Francisco
voters,
and
it
was
put
forward
by
corporate
folks
saying
that
they
thought
it
was
time
to
have
some
of
the
big
corporations
that
made
X
number
of
dollars
takes
some
of
the
burden
for
housing
and
it
passed
in
San
Francisco
and
it
also
passed
in
Mountain
View.
So
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
can
look
at.
J
We
have
enough
big
corporations
of
that
caliber
by
that
I
mean
X
billions
of
dollars
who
have
moved
into
the
city
that
the
citizens
in
this
community
might
be
interested
in
having
some
of
them
pay
their
own
fair
share
for
some
of
the
impacts
that
have
been
caused,
not
as
a
penalty,
but
just
to
be
good
neighbors
with
the
rest
of
us,
and
that's
one
of
the
ways
that
we
might
look
at
financing.
This
kind
of
redevelopment
on
at
the
Alpine
balsam
site,
and
so
I
would
like
to
get
some
information.
J
A
We've
been
trying
to
look
at
creative
financing
ideas,
and
so
maybe
this
is
a
good
one.
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
think
maybe
a
request
to
do
it.
Some
sort
of
check-in
before
you
come
back
with
a
final
proposal,
so
okay,
so
with
that
in
the
interests
of
getting
on
to
the
next
issue,
apologies
to
the
people
that
are
waiting.
D
R
D
D
It's
always
freezing
down
here.
On
the
other
hand,
I'm
sure
they've
read
the
memo,
so
maybe
we
just
dive
right
in.
R
R
So
tonight
we
are
here
to
just
look
for
some
very
high-level
feedback,
I'm
gonna,
actually
because
of
the
hour
I'm
going
to
scale
back
the
questions
and
really
just
ask
for
general
feedback
on
the
city's
role
in
kind
of
furthering
zero
waste
and
moving
toward
what
we
call
a
circular
economy.
And
then
the
general
support
for
the
concept
of
this
reuse
focused
innovation
hub
and
then
the
final
key
question
I
think
for
tonight
is
just.
R
And
actually,
you
know
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
I'm
gonna
skip
ahead
a
couple
of
slides
and
then
just
finish
off
with
this
video,
because
it's
a
quick,
three-minute
video
and
it
really
does
encapsulate
a
lot
of
what
we're
aiming
for
and
so
picture's
worth
a
thousand
words.
I
can
save
at
least
two
thousand
by
just
using
that,
as
long
as
I
could
figure
out
how
to
skip
this.
R
There
we
go
so,
as
I
said,
the
questions
for
council
tonight
is
really
the
role
for
the
city
of
Boulder
in
kind
of
fostering
a
circular
economy
or
acting
as
a
market
driver
to
create
markets
for
materials
that
are
recyclable
in
our
community.
We're
going
to
skip
over
the
parking
and
site
flow
questions,
because
we
really
aren't
at
the
level
of
developing
options
for
the
site
that
are
specific,
as,
as
you
looked
at
for
the
Alpine
balsam
site,
we're
not
really
yet
at
that
part
of
this
project.
R
So
I've
heard
that
we're
not
interested
in
any
parking
structures.
I
can
take
that
away
from
the
prior
conversation
site
flow.
We
are
just
trying
to
balance
customer
experience
with
preserving
the
existing
buildings
as
much
as
possible
on
the
site
and
fundraising.
We
are
in
a
very
interesting
situation
with
this
site
where,
unlike
the
Alpine
balsam
site,
there
are
actually
quite
a
few
private
sector
and
potential
funding
partners
for
a
site
like
this
and
a
project
like
this.
So
it's
not
two
hundred
and
fifty
million
dollars.
It's
a
mere
twenty
million
dollar
project.
R
This
is
perfect
timing,
really
after
massive
project
to
make
that
sound
like
very
inexpensive.
So
really,
as
I
said,
the
discussion
tonight
can
just
focus
on
the
role
of
the
city
and
whether
this
council
supports
us
moving
from
managing
our
waste
materials
after
they
are
created
as
waste
materials
and
moving
toward
creating
and
fostering
a
circular
economy.
R
J
K
S
Is
the
city
of
Boulder
twenty
five
point:
seven
square
miles,
a
melting
pot
of
creativity
and
entrepreneurial
spirit,
climbing
brewing
tech
about
organic
food
all
over
town?
All
the
rights
are
a
passionate
group.
We
take
zero
way
seriously,
there's
been
progress
made
with
recycling
and
reuse,
but
we
don't
just
settle
for
good
around
here,
there's
still
great
materials
being
wasted
and
clever
people
doing
uncommon
things
with
reuse
in
their
homes
and
businesses.
S
S
S
Could
you
sell
bikes
that
are
built
from
scrap
metal
turn
one
companies
waste
into
wheels
and
pedals
I
think
these
ideas
are
crazy
or
unrealistic,
while
businesses
in
Boulder
are
thinking
holistic,
it's
great
to
start
small,
but
now
it's
time
to
think
big
instead
of
wallets
what,
if
that
rubber
became
thousands
of
road
counts
or
if
we
took
that
ash
tree
lumber
and
built
a
new
home
every
day.
Boulder
businesses
send
good
usable
materials
to
the
landfill
roofing
shingles.
S
R
So
there's
my
presentation
now
so
really
I
think
the
gist
of
the
presentation
that
would
have
come
if
I
had
a
little
bit
more
time
was
just
that
in
the
25
years,
or
so
that
I've
been
with
the
city.
We've
gone
from
about
15
to
20
percent
waste
diversion
to
just
over
51%,
but
we
are
really
starting
to
recognize
that
the
zero
waste
climate
solution
goes
way
beyond
recycling
and
it's
about
fundamentally
redesigning
what
and
how
we
produce,
consume
and
dispose
of
stuff
all
our
stuff.
R
So
we
are
looking
at
kind
of
ways
that
the
city
could
play
a
role
in
a
circular
economy.
The
notion
of
a
circular
economy
is
that
a
business
would
be
would
build
their
processes
so
that
they're
efficient
and
make
as
little
waste
as
possible
in
the
processes
their
feedstocks
can
be
made
from
something
that
would
otherwise
be
wasted
and
products
can
be
remained
or
it
can
be
manufactured
to
be
disassembled
at
the
end
of
their
use.
Then
the
question
arises:
what
can
we
as
the
city
of
Boulder,
do
about
any
of
this?
R
It's
really
up
to
the
businesses
themselves
to
address
the
inefficiencies
within
the
system
to
create
less
waste,
but
we
can,
as
a
city,
identified
the
materials
that
flow
in
and
out
of
our
region
and
identify
what
waste
is
created
and
try
and
figure
out
ways
to
remanufacture
it
locally.
It's
a
resilience
solution,
it's
a
climate
solution
and
it's
a
zero
waste
solution.
R
This
just
talks
about
all
the
different
recycling
and
composting
facilities.
We
have
the
ones
that
are
built
by
the
city
and
the
county
and
the
private
sector
in
our
in
our
region
and
Lisa.
You'll,
be
happy
to
know.
I
heard
this
morning
that
by
the
end
of
December,
the
county
is
identifying
a
site-to-site,
a
construction
waste
recycling
center.
R
So
with
that
all
of
the
facilities
that
are
needed,
though
we
we
do,
have
need
to
have
a
compost
site
a
little
bit
closer
to
Boulder,
because
right
now
it's
in
Weld
County.
But
really
there
is
the
infrastructure
to
handle
all
of
our
waste.
Once
it's
waste.
And
the
question
is:
how
do
we
really
become
a
zero
waste
Society,
and
this
slide
here
shows
how
successful
the
site
at
6,400
Arapaho
has
been.
R
Here
probably
won't
find
space
and
folder
to
locate,
but
that's
okay,
because
if
they're
reprocessing
our
materials
as
long
as
they're
doing
it
somewhere
around
the
state
or
in
the
region,
it's
going
to
help
us
here
in
Boulder.
So
that's
pretty
much
I
think
I'll
stop
there.
These
were
just
very
high-level
bubble
diagrams,
but
I
promise
you'll
hear
about
it
as
we
try
and
balance
the
customer
experience
and
the
parking
and
the
site
flow
at
the
site
and
really
the
idea
that
we
would
be
developing
once
we
sorry
once
we.
R
Finalize
or
put
more
detail
to
the
site
plans,
I
guess
I'll,
just
go
back
to
that
slide.
Once
we
put
more
detail
to
the
site
plans,
we
will
break
it
up
into
discrete
development
phases.
So,
as
we
begin
to
explore
funding
as
funds
come
in,
we
can
develop
the
site
building
kind
of
one
section
at
a
time
toward
the
ultimate
site,
vision
but
kind
of
starting
off
with
the
immediate
needs
of
the
two
existing
nonprofits
and
building
from
there.
R
So
as
money
comes
in,
we
could
develop
in
phases
and,
as
I
also
just
mentioned,
there's
many
people
that
are
interested
and
potential
collaborators
and
funders
in
this
site.
Unlike
the
Alpine
balsam
project,
potentially
there's
the
maker
community
there's
foundations
and
businesses
that
are
investing
in
circular
economy,
work,
entrepreneurial
startup
and
material
science
organizations,
Boulder,
Valley,
School,
District,
Career
and
Technical.
R
So,
there's
really
quite
a
few
interested
parties
that
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
pursue
if
council
was
supportive
of
city
staff
looking
at
shared
kind
of
funding
strategy
for
this
and
here's.
The
original
questions
for
council,
which
I
think
if
we
just
kind
of
focus
on
the
city's
role
and
support
for
exploring
this
reuse
of
focused
innovation
hub
and
then,
if
there's
anything
about
the
county
prior
to
the
county
meeting
in
January
I.
Think
that
would
be
a
good
focus
for
the
conversation
this
evening.
So.
D
F
R
Deconstruction
materials
from
houses-
oh
I,
see
yeah
well
part
of
the
expansion
for
resources
to
be
able
to
accept
more
materials,
deconstructed
materials
and
I.
Don't
know
where
the
site
is,
they
said
they
had.
They
have
it.
Narrowed
down
to
I
spoke
to
Darla
from
Boulder
County
land
use
this
morning,
and
she
said
they
haven't
narrowed
down
to
three
sites
and
they
were
going
to
have
an
announcement
at
the
end
by
the
end
of
or
a
decision
by
the
end
of
December
as
to.
F
R
I
guess
it's
a
two-phase
process
for
the
county:
Darla
was
speaking
from
a
resource
conservation,
division
perspective
and
she's,
making
a
recommendation
to
the
boulder
county
commissioners.
Boulder
County
Commissioners
are
not
going
to
make
a
decision
final
decision
about
funding
from
the
county
sustainability
tax
until
2020,
but
by
the
end
of
December
she
will
have
put
together
a
proposal
for
zero
waste
infrastructure
as
kind
of
a
you
know.
First,
priority
for
sustainability.
G
R
D
Good
any
other,
any
other
questions,
so
maybe
I
see
some
really
easy
things
to
to
bite
off
here,
I'm
guessing
that
we
all
support
the
the
city
of
Boulder
helping
to
create
a
circular
me.
People
like
that
idea.
Yes,
right
on
a
shared
fundraising
strategy,
sounds
like
a
good
idea:
yeah
innovative
parking
strategies,
yes
good
thing:
okay,
maybe
we'll
talk
just
a
little
bit
more
about
so
the
innovation
hub
people
generally
supportive
of
the
idea
of
innovation
hub
I
had.
F
D
D
And
I
just
had
one
thought
on
the
innovation
hub,
I
love
the
idea
and
I
look
forward
to
us
pursuing
that,
and
just
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
we
implement
new
programs?
Here's
just
the
sum
of
these
are
bigger
ticket
items
than
others
and
just
to
keep
in
mind
how
much
waste
we're
saving
you
know
as
we
implement
things
and
just
sort
of
keep
you
know
cost-benefit
in.
We
move
forward
on
that.
That
was
just
my
one
thought
on
the
innovation
of
other
thoughts
on
the
innovation
I.
D
F
So
now
you
have
option
a
which
uses
the
existing
building
and
option
B,
which
has
new
buildings
and
so
you're
talking
about
phasing
these
in
and
if
I
read
the
memo
right.
There's
about
three
to
five
million
dollar
difference
between
doing
option
a
and
doing
option
B,
but
it
sounds
like
option.
B
would
probably
be
more
energy-efficient
and
have
a
lot
of
other
places
where
you
make
a
decision
on,
go
no-go
on
option
a
option
B.
It
has
to
do
with
your
fundraising
I.
R
Think
it
has
to
be
early
on
actually
I
think
we
need
to
finalize
our
site
plans
and
obviously
we
wouldn't
do
anything
before
going
to
planning
and
development
services,
staff
and
planning
board
and
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
go
through
the
concept
planning
stage
and
the
site
planning
stage
before
we
beam
not
full
site
review,
but
we
need
to
have
a
firm
site
plan
before
we
can
even
think
about
how
we
would
phase
it.
Whatever
site
development
we
do,
we
will
try
and
maximize
keeping
open
the
existing
activities
on
the
site.
R
The
existing
nonprofits
need
to
stay
open
and
have
little
disruption
as
possible
to
their
ongoing
operations
as
we
develop
it.
So
it
might
be
a
situation
where
we
keep
the
existing
buildings
as
we're
building
other
ones
and
then
dismantle
them.
But
you
know
we
haven't
really
figured
out
the
full
strategy
yet
I.
D
Have
a
thought
on
this
I'll,
just
chime
in
I
I
think
we
can
certainly
consider
taking
down
the
existing
buildings,
but
but
I
guess
the
the
the
warehouses
seem
to
me
like
a
less
of
a
loss
as
opposed
to
the
office
building
which,
while
I
know,
is
not
a
brand
new
current
building
I,
just
maybe
put
a
bigger
emphasis
on
looking
at
ways
to
reuse
that
engineer.
Existing
site
plan
I
noticed
that
option
B
still
I
think
that's
a
blue
thing.
That's
a
so
I'm,
not
sure
so.
D
J
I,
like
your
suggesting
to
the
reuse,
people
that
they
look
at
reusing
things,
I
think
we
would
reuse
the
parts
of
it.
Certainly,
yes,
No
what
I
thought
when
thinking
about
them,
whether
if
they
have
to
dismantle
and
that
they
would
do
the
best
job
possible
right
with
whatever
it
is,
that
they're
gonna
be
putting
up
in
other.
D
G
F
R
Just
to
clarify
Lisa
sorry
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
your
thought
there,
but
what
they're
talking
about
building
is
a
mixed
waste
mixed
construction,
waste
recycling
site,
so
it
would
not
be
deconstruction.
It
would
be
bringing
mixed
waste
from
a
construction
site
or
a
demolition
and
sort
it
and
send
it
off
to
different
markets.
Yeah.
F
Okay,
that's
that's
fine,
it
accomplishes
the
same
thing
reusing
so
so
and
then
one
of
the
other
things
have
been
looking
for
is
and
it's
in
the
report
about
composting-
and
you
talked
about
we're
using
some
of
our
restaurant
grade
food
for
the
digester
out
at
the
wastewater
facility
or
we're
thinking
about
doing
that.
Where.
R
So
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
has
just
commissioned
a
study
to
look
at
upgrading
our
digesters
out
there,
and
so
we've
been
talking
with
them
about
whether
there's
a
kind
of
pre-processing
and
post-processing
step
that
could
be
added
to
what
they're
already
planning
to
do
out
there
to
allow
it
to
accept
commercial
food
waste
they're
not
doing
any
of
that.
Yet,
okay,
okay,.
F
R
R
F
This
was
something
that
the
County
Commissioners
did
in
an
executive
session,
and
actually
we
were
excited
about
it
because
it
we
had
been
looking
for
one
site
where
we
could
Co
locate
all
these
uses,
but
in
the
end
the
county's
real
purpose
in
getting
that
site
was
to
deal
with
the
construction
waste
and
there
was
a
lot
of
pushback
from
the
surrounding
communities
on
saying.
No,
they
didn't
want
that
and
so
said,
which
is
also
fine,
but
these
communities
are
in
Boulder,
County
and
so
I
I.
I
R
They
had
a
hearing
because
there's
a
neighbor
by
a-1
organics
that
was
complaining
about
blowing
debris
off
the
site,
and
so
the
county
well
county.
Commissioners
had
a
hearing
about
it
and
the
outcome
of
that
hearing
I
believe
was
that
they're
allowing
Bob
the
owner
of
a1
organics
site
there
to
or
the
president
I
guess,
to
build
a
fence
and
keep
the
blowing
debris
off
the
neighbor's
yard
and
they're,
putting
several
other
site
improvements
in
place
to
address
that.
But
there
was
not
a
as
far
as
I
know.
I
R
They
started
taking
a
lot
more
when
Heartland
closed.
It
doesn't
impact
how
much
they
can
take
because
they
still
have
capacities
my
understanding,
they
are
very,
very
careful
about
what
they
accept
and
they're
very
happy
from
what
we've
heard
with
boulders
compostables.
A
lot
of
the
reason
for
that
is
frankly,
because
we
pre
grind
it
before
we
send
it
to
them,
so
not
as
much
blows
around
when
they're
turning
the
compost
piles,
but
it's
also
a
higher
quality
material.
Then
they
get
from
communities
around
Denver
up
in
Fort
Collins
area.
That's.
R
R
Q
I
would
just
say
if,
if
we
are
having
discussions
with
the
county-
and
it
is
surrounding
composting,
just
from
personal
experience
over
the
last
five
years,
having
moved
into
a
home
and
being
able
to
compost,
it's
just
been
incredible
for
me,
just
on
a
personal
level
to
see
how
little
trash
we
now
throw
out.
I
mean
the
fact
that,
well,
the
paper
towels
from
cleaning
up
Kathy
Acker,
you
know
whatever
can
go
in
the
compost.
Q
It's
it
makes
me
feel
so
good
or
I
can
get
scoopable
litter
from
the
cats
and
I'm
not
wasting
now,
and
so,
if
we
can
try
to
I
think
this
is
the
future.
It's
such
an
amazing
way
and
now
I've
been
reading
a
lot
of
articles
about
towns
stopping
recycling
because
China
is
not
taking
it
anymore,
which
is
devastating,
and
so,
if
this
could
be
our
future
and
I
mean
the
more
we
can
promote
it.
The
better
is
what
I
would
say
so
just
a
way
of
decreasing
our
waste.
I
Just
a
comment
and
I
sit
on
our
cab,
the
resource
conservation
advisory
board
and
so
to
the
point
that
China
is
indeed
really
up
to
their
purity
requirements.
I
have
to
compliment
our
recyclers
here
in
the
county
for
having
managed
right
through
that
I
mean
there's
very
capable
recycling
going
on
which
keeps
the
material
and
acceptable,
and
so
we
haven't
had
nearly
as
negative
of
an
impact
here
in
Boulder
County,
as
many
other
communities
have
as
a
result
with
this.
So
just
compliments
and
kudos
to
the
county.
Folks,
yeah.
R
And
I
think
that's
there's
multiple
reasons
for
that.
One
of
them,
as
we
are
very
good
at
sorting
we've,
been
doing
it
for
40
years.
Here
we
do
it
better
than
most
places
in
the
country.
Also
because
eco
cycle
is
a
mission-based
nonprofit
recycler
that
runs
our
recycling
center
and
they
have
always
marketed
to
domestic
markets.
R
M
R
So
the
city
and
the
county
could
say:
here's
a
problem,
waste
material
that
we're
having
an
issue
trying
to
market.
We
could
put
out
a
call
if
you
know
businesses
can
come
up
with
an
idea
to
create
a
product
out
of
this
problem,
waste
material.
Then
you
right
there,
but
hereby
granted
two
years
in
our
mid
scale,
manufacturing
space
and
wraparound
services
to
help
you
start
your
business
and
launch
it.
And
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
anymore.