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A
C
C
C
I
think
the
open
space
program
really
reflected
in
the
fact
citizens
voted
to
tax
themselves
was
really
amazing,
milestone
and
it's
often
forgotten
the
one
cent
tax
for
open
space
also
included
funding
for
transportation
of
the
two
things
that
Boulder
is
most
known
for
now.
One
is
our
open
space
program
and
that
we
have
made
such
a
compact
city
surrounded
by
nature,
but
also
our
transportation
innovations,
our
bike
paths,
our
circulator
bus
system.
G
Open
comment
are
closed
as
they
always
are
at
6:00
p.m.
tonight
we
will
have
two
public
hearings:
second
reading
of
ordinance,
83
66,
adopting
building
codes,
international
building
codes
and
second
reading
of
ordinance,
83-76
related
to
tobacco
sales
and
vaping.
If
you
want
to
speak
at
either
one
of
those
public
hearings
you're
welcome
to
sign
up
at
the
clerk's
table
and
at
open
comment,
you
can
comment
on
any
subject
except
for
those
two
public
hearings.
G
So
it
is
that
time
of
year
again,
when
we
recruit
for
our
boards
and
commissions,
we
have
openings
on
every
board
in
Commission,
and
so,
if
you'd
like
to
work
on
any
things
with
the
city
from
parks
to
open
space,
to
planning,
we'd
love
to
have
your
help
and
it's
a
great
time
to
learn
more
about
how
the
city
works
and
new
friends.
Those
applications
are
open
through
Valentine's
Day,
February
14th
at
5:00
p.m.
and
the
only
requirement
is
that
you
reside
within
the
city,
so
it
doesn't
matter
citizenship
status
or
anything
of
that
type.
G
You
just
need
to
have
an
address
within
the
city
need
to
be
18
years
of
age
and
for
specific
seats.
There
may
be
other
requirements
on
just
a
few
boards,
but
most
boards-
it's
just
you-
need
to
be
a
resident
and
if
you'd
like
to
have
more
information,
you
can
go
to
boulder
colorado,
gov,
slash
boards
commissions
and
then
last
I
have
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda.
Tonight.
Add
item
8d,
which
is
a
discussion
and
potentially
a
vote
on
the
severe
weather,
shelter
policy
so
moved.
G
G
Okay,
when
I
call
your
name
for
open
comment,
please
come
to
the
microphone
and
I'll
call
a
few
other
names.
So
if
you
would
queue
up
and
be
ready
to
come
to
the
microphone
when
the
previous
speaker
is
finished,
we'll
start
with
Lynn
Segal,
followed
by
James,
Feeny
and
Evan
rabbits
Lynn.
Are
you
here,
seeing
no
Lynn,
James,
Feeney
and
then
Evan
rabbits
and
then
Steven
Newman.
I
Counsel,
television
tonight
a
riddle
how
many
Boulder
City
Council
members
does
it
take
to
change
a
light
bulb
again
council
failed
to
explain
why,
after
complaints,
the
dark
sky
ordinance
is
still
not
being
enforced
in
the
residential
outdoor
lighting.
In
my
neighborhood,
the
Boulder
Meadows
mobile
home
park
council
has
a
duty
to
support
the
charter.
City
manager
has
notes
and
duty
to
enforce
the
ordinances.
The
dark
sky
ordinance
requires
that
residential
lights
be
shielded
less
than
900
lumens
and
have
a
color
temperature,
3,000
Kelvin
or
less
simple.
I
When
said,
the
attorney
makes
statements
before
Council
that
are
clearly
absurd.
The
city
manager
make
statements
that
plainly
contradict
the
facts.
It
is
incumbent
upon
each
council
member
to
establish
a
standard
of
truth
and
integrity
and
the
proceedings
despite
such
an
ability
by
council,
mayor
and
Mayor
Pro
Tem
city
manager,
says
we're
enforcing
dark
sky
ordinance,
but
even
casual
observation
will
demonstrate
that
statement
is
false.
I
Unless
city
manager
was
referring
to
some
kind
of
selective
enforcement
only
available
to
less
ethnic
neighborhoods,
she
says:
streetlights
are
exempt
apparently
unable
to
distinguish
between
the
street
light
from
an
entry
light.
She
says
street
lights
are
grandfathered,
apparently
confusing
an
amortization
delay
with
a
grandfather
clause
while
refusing
to
consult
with
city
attorney
but
again,
no
matter
entry
lights
are
not
street
lights.
City
attorney
says.
I
Requiring
that
my
rights
to
public
streets
are
exactly
the
same
as
my
leasehold
rights,
no
time
city
managers
police.
Do
not
allow
me
to
set
my
lawn
furniture
in
the
middle
of
a
public
street.
They
are
willing
to
let
you
drive
your
car
on
my
lawn
in
violation
of
BRC
7
6:14
city
manager.
Just
doesn't
always
enforces
and
mobile
home
parks.
Does
she
I
remind
councilmembers
that
the
possibility
of
future
code
revisions
do
not
obviate
the
requirements
for
current
enforcement
duties
now
and
yes
requires
action,
stay
for
the
record?
J
J
G
K
I'm
good
evening,
council
members
I'm
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
voice
a
concern.
That's
been
on
my
mind
since
moving
to
Boulder
in
2015
ordinance,
nine,
a
just
five
of
the
Municipal
Code
has
been
a
cause
for
significant
stress
and
discomfort
for
myself
and
those
I've
lived
with
throughout
my
time
here.
I'm
sure
you're,
all
aware
of
the
occupancy
limit
in
the
zoning
code
and
I'm
sure
there's
a
spectrum
of
support
and
opposition
on
the
council.
For
that.
K
My
intention
for
being
here
today
is
just
to
lend
a
perspective
on
the
ordinance
that
may
not
be
represented
regularly.
My
suggestion
simple
change,
the
ordinance
to
say
the
number
of
unrelated
occupants
in
these
zones
not
to
exceed
the
advertised
number
of
bedrooms.
This
issues
present
not
just
in
Boulder
but
in
high-cost
cities
across
the
country.
Tenants
are
put
at
the
mercy
of
landlords.
K
The
exemption
was
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
but
it
leaves
a
grey
area
between
the
three
unrelated
people
and
a
cooperative
of
four
more
people
who
are
required
to
jump
through
all
sorts
of
Hoops
to
be
in
compliance
and
to
point
out,
in
my
view,
is
the
discriminatory
nature
of
this
ordinance.
Let's
say
a
family
of
eight,
with
two
parents
and
on
an
uncle
and
four
children
live
in
a
six
bedroom,
3,500
square
foot
home
with
five
vehicles.
K
A
group
of
four
unrelated
adults
in
their
20s
and
30s,
who
work
full-time
and
have
three
vehicles,
would
need
to
form
a
co-op
or
find
some
other
legal
loopholes,
such
as
forming
a
domestic
partnership
in
order
to
live
in
that
same
home.
The
zoning
discriminates
against
primarily
younger
people
were
those
from
lower
socioeconomic
statuses,
who
are
not
choosing
traditional
family
relationship
styles.
In
this
example,
the
family
would
likely
be
more
of
a
burden
and
nuisance
to
the
neighborhood
with
all
the
vehicles
and
increased
traffic
than
the
four
unrelated
adults.
K
However,
there
they
are
allowed
to
living
at
home
when
the
unrelated
adults
would
not
wouldn't
need
to
form
a
co-op
in
order
to
live
in
that
same
home,
issues
that
are
concerned
for
neighbors
such
as
traffic
parking
and
noise
can
and
BN
are
addressed
by
other
ordinances,
Thank
You
Steven.
Thank
you.
L
L
L
The
city
claimed
that
since
I
had
heard
I
had
didn't
have
to
worry
about
anything.
I
could
just
not
have
the
hearing
I
refused
much
was
revealed
at
that
hearing
requirement
to
match.
Exo's
rates
could
be
subverted
using
what
is
called
capitalized
interest
to
hide
a
30
percent
rate
increase
for
18
months.
M
Thought
of
another
thing:
311
I
was
going
to
talk
about,
but
I'm
just
been
on
the
phone
with
the
IRS
for
last
hour.
How
so
I'm
kind
of
out
of
breath
with
that
I've
been
trying
to
reach
them
since
October
15th,
for
all
the
maze
of
things,
and
we
know-
and
they
owe
me
money
so
first
of
all,
if
there's
eight
people
that
sign
up,
why
can't
they
have
three
minutes?
Each
I
don't
get
it.
You
know
we
used
to
have
three
minutes
and
up
to
45
minutes
total
for
15
people
or
something
so
now.
M
M
My
property
values
can
shoot
up
in
mountain
heights
next
between
Mapleton
and
new
ones.
How
is
it
that
we
can
get
bulldozer
driver
breaking
in
to
this
property?
And
it's
like
Oh
reported
is
oh
geez
this
this
land,
more
property?
It's
just
this
road
bulldozer
driver
I,
don't
think
so.
I
want
some
answers
here.
I've
talked
to
James.
He
would
talk
to
the
landmarks.
I
talked
to
lots
of
people
I'm
not
getting
any
answers
ourselves.
It's
been
blighted
for
two
years.
N
Good
evening
Elizabeth
black
4340
North
13th
Street
last
month,
I
described
the
citizen
science,
soil
health
project
and
our
surprising
findings
that
are
organic
growers,
soil
health,
it's
not
any
better
than
our
conventional
growers,
soil,
health.
We
all
think
organic
is
better.
How
can
this
be?
Well?
It
comes
down
to
one
word,
tillage
that
is
plowing
cultivating
and
turning
the
soil.
Weak
humans
have
told
it
must
be
perfect
right.
Well,
maybe
not
totally
perfect.
N
N
Using
mobile
and
lots
of
mechanical
cultivation,
many
organic
growers
are
in
this
group
because
they
depend
on
plowing
and
cultivation
for
weed
control.
So
here's
what
we
have
found
you
can
see
the
pattern:
zero
tillage
sites,
the
green
lines
in
the
graph
I'm,
mostly
clustered
at
the
top
end,
with
the
highest
soil
health
scores
in
the
median
of
20,
so
our
pastures
grasslands
and
forests,
soil
and
sequester
the
most
carbon,
our
reduced
tillage
sites,
the
yellow
lines,
mostly
in
the
middle
of
13,.
N
O
And
I
really
want
to
thank
you.
So
much
I
know
that
you
all
really
care
about
climate
change
and
we
have
so
many
decisions.
You
do
a
great
job,
but
if
we
don't
get
it
right
on
climate
change,
just
look
at
Australia,
it
kind
of
doesn't
matter
all
these
other
decisions.
So
thank
you
for
your
leadership
as
always
and
I'm
trained
in
science,
so
I
usually
have
graphs
and
things
like
that,
but
that
doesn't
work
for
everybody.
So
I
used
my
non-existent
artistic
skills
in
a
different
way.
O
Excels
profits
after
tax,
after
all,
their
expenses,
their
CEO
salaries
and
all
of
that
and
before
tax,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
much
bigger.
I'm
asking
is
that
for
the
council
to
be
sure
to
try
to
keep
an
open
mind
to
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
both
sides
of
this
equation,
not
just
kind
of
decide
already
that
we
know
what's
going
on,
consummates
is
really
smart.
I
would
really
love
to
have
you
looking
at
both
sides
of
this,
instead
of
having
made
up
your
mind
that
this
isn't
okay,
without
really
understanding
this.
O
P
Like
my
brother
is
here
and
other
people
here,
I
just
wish
to
speak
to
the
what
I
know.
You're
gonna
do
and
that's
continue
to
cure
severe
weather,
shelter,
open
I
will
call
for
public
bathrooms
and
showers.
We
definitely
need
that
in
town
we
need
add
a
facility.
We
need
to
keep
our
beautiful
multi-million
dollar
facility
for
the
homeless,
brothers
and
sisters
that
we
all
share,
open,
24/7
and
366
this
year.
P
Q
Cindy
Schmidt
I
live
in
Boulder
and
I'm
on
the
Colorado
Chautauqua
Association
board
or
CCA
I
would
like
to
address
an
issue
emerging
in
the
public
discourse
that
Chautauqua
is
being
commercialized
and
that
the
proposed
bylaw
changes
are
somehow
evidence
of
that.
This
claim
is
patently
untrue.
There
have
been
no
major
changes
at
Chautauqua
for
decades.
The
dining
hall
has
been
there
for
over
120
years.
Q
Cmf
has
been
producing
the
summer
music
festival
for
over
40
years,
and
we
have
about
the
same
number
of
popular
concerts
as
always,
and
CCA
has
rented
out
cottages
as
long
as
anyone
can
remember.
As
stated
in
the
lease
with
the
city,
CCA
is
solely
responsible
for
the
maintenance
and
preservation
of
dozens
of
historic
buildings,
for
the
appearance
of
the
grounds
for
community
programming
and
for
all
other
operating
costs.
Q
We
take
our
responsibility
to
operate
without
City
subsidy
very
seriously,
and
we
are
continually
looking
for
ways
to
increase
revenue
and
reduce
cost
like
any
responsible
organization,
but
none
of
those
ways,
including
hiring
a
Development
Director,
can
be
remotely
characterized
as
commercialization.
A
letter
to
the
editor
of
the
camera.
This
morning
asked
the
reader
to
imagine
the
loss
to
the
community
if
Chautauqua
had
been
turned
into
a
convention
center.
Q
Now
that
would
constitute
commercialization,
and
it
is
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
could
happen
if
CCA
doesn't
fix
the
bylaws
and
eliminate
the
potential
for
special
interest
to
control
the
board.
Our
antiquated
bylaws
need
to
be
modernized
to
eliminate
vote-buying
of
special
interests,
and
the
city
attorney
has
said
that
unless
we
do
that,
CCA
could
be
found
in
breach
of
our
lease
with
the
city.
This
is
an
existential
threat
to
an
iconic
institution
that
belongs
to
all
the
people.
Q
R
Mr.
button
I
just
pressed
to
get
started,
hi
everyone
thanks
for
being
here
and
thanks
for
going
to
come
and
talk,
I
wanted
to
speak
about
the
marpa
house,
historic,
landmark
designation.
That
may
be
proceeding
in
the
next
few
weeks,
but
I
might
be
out
of
town.
So
this
is
very
important
to
me
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
could
put
my
put
my
opinion
out
on
that
topic.
So
this
is
the
second
time
that
there
has
been
a
union
unanimous
vote
by
the
landmarks
department
and
to
move
forward.
R
The
designation
of
the
marpa
house,
which
is
located
on
roughly
12th
and
Aurora
for
historic,
landmark
status,
so
they've
approved
it
twice,
but
now
we'll
move
to
the
City
Council
for
approval.
There
are
two
questions
that
kind
of
our
pending
about
that
one
is:
does
it
fit
the
criteria
and
then
the
other
question
is
you
know
boys
opposed
to
you
guys?
Should
it
be
done?
There
has
been
a
city
review
and
that
was
proposed
to
the
landmarks
board
that
found
that
it
should
be
moved
forward.
R
The
other
question
is
you
know
from
a
community
perspective,
is
it
important
to
preserve
something
like
the
Marfa
house
and
you
know,
I
grew
up
in
Boulder
I
was
born
here,
my
grandmother's
from
here
my
parents
and
my
my
mom
and
my
dad
live
about.
You
know
eight
blocks
from
me,
so
we're
all
in
the
same
kind
of
community
and
there's
been
so
much
change
in
Boulder
over
the
last.
You
know,
20
years
that
I've
been
growing
up
and
we
only
have
so
many
opportunities
to
preserve
these
little
gems.
I.
R
S
I'm
also,
a
member
of
the
Colorado
Chautauqua
Association
Board
of
Directors
I'm
here
tonight
to
assure
council
that
this
board
takes
very
seriously
its
claims
and
concerns
noted
in
City
Attorney
Tom,
cars2,
November
25th
letter
to
our
board
our
board
chairs.
These
very
same
concerns
concerns
that
have
troubled
previous
boards
as
well,
but
because
our
current
bylaws,
some
of
which
date
back
nearly
a
hundred
years,
the
board
is
prevented
from
addressing
the
core
issue:
that
of
the
potential
for
vote
buying
by
special
interest
groups.
S
Last
December
16th
our
board
approved
new
bylaws
by
a
vote
of
12
to
2,
with
one
abstention
bylaws
that
will
definitively
modernize
our
outdated
governance
structure.
To
our
knowledge,
there
are
no
other
Colorado
501
C,
3s
arts
and
cultural
organizations
operating
at
our
scale.
With
these
kinds
of
antiquated
and
frankly
open
to
abuse
voting
membership
arrangements,
memberships
are
not
going
away.
Quite
the
opposite.
Members
will
continue
to
enjoy
their
current
benefits.
S
They
will
just
not
have
to
include
the
kind
of
the
flawed
voting
structure
noted
in
Tom's
letter
flaws
that
can
lead
to
the
potential
abuse
that
jeopardizes
currently
Chautauqua's
lease
with
the
city.
We're
reaching
out
to
our
entire
membership
through
mailings
emails,
print
ads
and,
of
course,
word-of-mouth
to
first
ensure
that
our
members
understand
the
issues
and
further
to
ensure
our
members
understand
fully
the
need
to
reach
the
75%
voter
approval
threshold.
It
will
take
to
actually
change
the
bylaws.
S
We
know
that
failure
to
change
these
bylaws
may
trigger
a
breach
of
our
lease,
posing
a
threat
to
Chautauqua's
very
existence,
as
we
know
it
today.
This
would
be
a
tragedy
and
a
loss
for
our
community.
This
board
is
working
very
hard
to
get
out
the
vote,
so
we
can
address
these
long-standing
governance
challenges
posed
by
the
current
bylaws.
Thank
you
thank.
G
T
T
It's
right,
I,
agree
that
CCA
at
the
board
and
its
members
and
the
city
for
that
matter
should
be
concerned
and
care
about
the
potential
negative
impact
of
vote-buying
special
interests
and
conflicts
of
interest,
but
threatening
to
issue
a
notice
of
breach
of
the
lease
and
rushing
to
propose
bylaws
without
stakeholder
input
is
a
bad
way
to
solve
problems
and
make
needed
improvements.
I
served
on
the
board
a
CCA
board
from
2011
to
2014.
T
During
that
time,
I
participated
in
the
City
CC,
a
working
group
that
developed
the
guiding
principles
for
place
management
and
fiscal
sustainability,
which
were
approved
by
both
CCA
and
City
Council
in
2012.
Those
principles
support
the
importance
of
getting
public
input
when
changes
are
being
considered
and
they
are
consistent
with
the
philosophy
philosophy
recently
endorsed
by
Council
for
public
engagement
and
I
quote.
Local
government
makes
better
decisions
and
creates
more
responsive
programs
and
services
when
the
community
it
serves.
T
Has
a
meaningful
voice
so,
instead
of
the
city
threatening
litigation
and
instead
of
CCA
rushing
ahead
with
its
proposed
bylaws
I
ask
the
city
to
support
an
effort
by
CCA
to
set
up
a
good
public
process,
a
process
in
which
CCA
engaged
engages
with
its
various
stakeholders,
a
process
that
gives
the
community
a
meaningful
voice
and
a
chance
to
help
find
solutions.
I
certainly
hope
for
that
to
happen,
and
I
really
believe
the
outcome
from
such
a
process
would
meet
the
needs
of
the
city,
the
CCA
in
the
community.
It
serves.
Thank
you.
U
G
V
H
Was
also
mr.
Feeny,
it
might
be
helpful
for
the
whole
council
to
hear
what's
going
on
with
enforcement
and
the
concern
being.
Is
there
selective
enforcement
where
the
manufactured
homes
are
not
getting
the
benefit
of
the
dark
sky
ordinance
being
enforced?
So
an
update
on
that
might
be
helpful
for
all
of
us
as
well,
and
my
second
question
is
on
Lin
Siegel's
question
about
two
versus
three
minutes
during
open
comment:
is
there
a
number
under
which
you
know
if
we
don't,
we
only
had
two
people.
Do
we
get
three
minutes
or
zero
for
open
I.
G
X
Y
If
I
could
further
clarify
and
the
reason
it's
two
minutes,
only
if
two
people
sign
up
is
because
you
never
know
how
many
people
are
going
to
sign
up
and
people
need
to
prepare
their
statements
to
be
adequately
of
adequate
length.
So
we
just
because
we
also
have
people
that
can
come
in
and
sign
up
between
five
and
six.
So
that's
the
rationale.
F
AA
AB
Thanks
Jay
and
good
evening,
Council
Christmas,
chuck
interim
planning,
director
assistant
city
manager,
one
of
the
cups
before
you
is
a
landmark
alteration:
certificate
for
311
Mapleton,
so
to
just
give
a
little
bit
of
the
background
as
a
part
of
the
site
review
application
for
the
redevelopment
of
that
property.
One
of
the
conditions
of
approval
for
the
site
review
was
that
the
property
owner
preserve
and
landmark
several
structures
on
the
property
they
agreed
to
that
as
a
part
of
their
site
review.
AB
AB
Our
staff
were
on
site
that
next
Monday
morning
or
Monday
afternoon,
with
the
property
owner,
they
were
gonna,
relocate
that
structure
on
site
actually
closer
to
where
it's
historic
context
was.
It
was
moved
once
before
on
that
site,
so
they
were
already
gonna,
be
doing
a
landmark
alteration
certificate
for
that
relocation,
and
then
they
were
gonna
do
a
rehab
to
that
building.
As
a
result,
now
they
need
to
also
do
a
partial
reconstruction
of
that
building.
AB
So
we
had
the
applicant
bring
all
of
those
materials
together
all
those
different
applications,
together
into
one
large
landmark
alteration
certificate
both
now
to
reconstruct,
rehabilitate
and
relocate
that
structure.
So
that's
part
of
what
the
landmark
alteration
certificate
is
that
is
before
you
tonight,
that
was
approved
by
the
landmarks
board.
AB
G
AB
AA
AD
AD
The
first
significant
change
would
be
the
adoption
of
the
International
existing
Building
Code.
The
city
of
Boulder
has
not
previously
adopted
this
code,
even
though
it's
been
in
publication
for
over
15
years.
It's
now
necessary
to
adopt
this
code
because
the
provisions
that
used
to
be
in
chapter
34,
the
Building
Code,
have
been
deleted
and
they
are
now
contained
in
this
code,
also
in
this
code
or
to
other
compliance
paths
available
to
designers
and
property
owners.
AD
We
received
feedback
from
staff,
one
of
the
major
issues
of
feedback
that
we
excuse
me
public.
One
of
the
major
issues
of
feedback
that
we
received
was
the
implications
that
the
energy
code
was
having
on
small
projects,
with
the
way
that
the
thresholds
were
being
determined
based
on
the
difference
between
property
value
based
on
the
Assessors
value
and
the
value
of
the
project.
So
to
address
that
concern,
staff
is
recommending
using
some
definitions
that
are
in
the
existing
Building
Code
under
classification
of
work.
The
existing
building
code
defines
five
different
types
of
classification
of
work.
AD
One
of
those
is
alterations.
It's
just
a
different
term
used
for
repairs
and
under
alterations.
There
are
three
different
levels:
defines
we're
proposing
to
use
these
different
levels
for
the
thresholds
to
determine
what
level
of
compliance
to
the
energy
code
has
to
be
obtained
when
a
building
is
being
altered
and
a
level
one
is
basically
a
remove
and
replaced
without
doing
any
changes.
AD
A
level
two
is
making
changes
to
the
building,
whether
it's
moving
walls
around
or
and
extending
an
existing
system,
or
anything
like
that
and
a
level
three
is
a
project
that
involves
more
than
50%
of
the
floor
area
of
the
building,
so
that
would
have
a
higher
threshold
requirement
for
energy
compliance
than
a
level
two
would
and
then,
in
the
energy
code
alone,
we've
added
a
level
four
for
substantial
renovations
that
is
not
contained
in
the
existing
building
code.
That
is
exclusive
to
the
energy
code.
X
D
AD
AD
AD
Another
amendment:
well,
this
actually
isn't
an
amendment.
This
is
a
provision
for
12
years
now
the
residential
code
is
required,
all
new
single-family
homes
to
be
protected
with
automatic
sprinkler
systems.
The
city
of
Boulder
has
chosen
to
exempt
one
in
two
family
dwellings
from
this
requirement,
as
your
chief
building
official
and
chief
fire
marshal
david
lowery
are
recommending
that
we
not
continue
that
amendment.
The
reason
for
this
has
to
do
with
time.
T
IME.
AD
We
currently
do
not
build
homes.
The
way
we
did
30
years
ago.
We
build
it
much
bigger.
We
build
them
with
open
floor
plans
and
we
build
them
with
engineered
wood.
Engineered
wood
does
not
perform
in
fires.
The
same
way
that
solid
sawn
lumber
did,
and
we
also
have
different
fire
loading
based
on
the
furnishings
that
are
in
our
building
in
our
homes.
So
what
this
amounts
to
is,
we
have
shorter,
we
have
shorter
times
to
effect
an
escape
from
a
building.
AD
We
have
shorter
times
to
rescue
from
a
building
and
we
have
much
quicker
times
for
flash
overs
there's
some
tests
done
by
I
believe
it
was
ul
and
NFPA.
The
National
Fire
Protection
Association
that
determined
some
new
homes
flashover
can
occur
in
a
little
time
as
five
minutes
where
we
used
to
have
around
25
minutes
before
that
happened.
AD
So
the
automatic
sprinkler
provision
in
the
code
just
reads
that
one
or
two
family
protected
with
that
with
the
sprinkler
system.
But
then
it
says
if
it's
an
existing
building,
that's
going
through
an
alteration
or
in
addition,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
sprinkled
with
mussels
already
a
sprinkler
in
the
building.
So
this
only
applies
to
new
connealy
constructed
buildings
and
for
the
last
three
years
we've
averaged
building
39
new
homes
a
year.
So
that
would
be
the
first
impact
of
this
provision.
However,
this
would
also
impact
any
building.
AD
That's
undergoing
a
change
of
use
that
didn't
used
to
be
a
single-family
home
and
now
becomes
a
single-family
home,
such
as
an
Adu.
So
if
you
had
a
detached
building
on
a
property-
and
it
was
a
garage
or
a
studio
and
it
was
converted
to
an
Adu
that
would
be
a
single-family
home,
that
would
be
a
new
single-family
home
and
it
would
be
required
to
be
protected
with
an
automatic
sprinkler
system.
So.
G
Funny
question
tom:
prior
to
the
recent
changes
in
Adu
regulations,
ad
use
had
to
have
a
rental
license,
correct
I,
think
that's
right,
Sam
and
so,
when
they
change,
if
they
change
from
a
studio
or
an
office
in
turn
ad,
you
under
the
prior
regime
I
believe
they
had
to
sprinkle
the
converted
office.
I'd.
W
G
W
G
AD
X
Y
AD
And
more
so,
for
the
existing
buildings.
So
if
it's
new
construction,
you're
already
trenching
for
the
one
water
line
for
the
domestic
use,
so
you
can
put
the
other
water
line
right
there.
If
it's
an
existing
building,
unless
they're
installing
a
new
water
line,
then
yes,
it
would
be
additional
expense.
Okay,.
Y
J
G
AD
There
are
also
provisions
in
the
proposed
amendments
to
include
appendix
appendices:
q,
r,
NS
appendices
are
not
part
of
the
code
and
less
specifically
adopted
appendix
R
has
to
do
with
light.
Straw-Clay
construction
and
dependency
and
excess
has
to
deal
with
penwick.
Skew
is
new
to
the
residential
code.
This
is
the
first
code
cycle,
contains
provisions
for
tiny
houses
and
the
picture
on
the
left
where
the
unit
is
on
wheels.
That's
not
what
we're
talking
about
that
is
not
regulated
by
the
residential
code.
That
is
a
vehicle,
so
it's
not
regulated
by
the
residential
code.
AD
What
we're
referring
to
is
something
like
the
picture
on
the
right.
It's
a
dwelling,
that's
not
a
permanent
foundation
connected
to
permanent
utilities,
but
the
caveat
is
that
this
dwelling
can
only
be
a
maximum
of
400
square
feet.
By
definition,
tiny
houses
are
limited
to
a
maximum
of
400
square
feet
and
what
this
appendix
does
it
relaxes
the
standards
for
the
ceiling
height
by
about
4
inches
and
it
relaxes
the
requirements
for
the
stairs
getting
to
the
loft
and
the
loft
and
the
emergency
egress
from
the
loft?
AD
And
it's
specific
to
tiny
houses
and,
as
I
said,
it's
there
on
permanent
foundation
can
and
connected
to
permanent
utilities,
and
the
unit's
cannot
be
prefabricated
and
moved
into
the
city
unless
they're
built
under
a
program
like
state
program
for
pre
manufactured
homes,
because
there
has
to
be
inspections
either
by
the
city
building
department
or
by
the
state
division
of
housing.
Somebody
has
to
be
doing
those
inspections
and
the
electric
state
electrical
board
has
already
made
this
ruling.
Also
great.
AC
The
written
materials
make
reference
to
appendix
Q
and
how
we
are
modifying
appendix
Q,
but
as
I
was
making
my
way
through
this
light,
reading
I
know
points
or
appendix
Q.
Is
that
available
for
us
to
take
a
look
at
as
we
are
modifying
and
adopting
that
appendix
it
would
be
nice
to
see
what
else
it
says?
Yes,.
AD
X
So
if
you
can
go
back
to
the
previous
slide,
please
sue.
Can
you
talk
about
finished
units
moving
jurisdiction
a
little
bit,
because
that
my
understanding
is
that
some
other
jurisdictions
like
Lyons,
for
example,
have
allowed
tiny
homes
but
have
not
had
the
same
requirements
so
you're
saying
there's
some
state
regulation
here.
Could
you
explain
this
a
little
bit
more?
The
rationale
please.
There.
AD
Are
some
federal
building
codes
and
some
state
building
codes?
The
state
has
a
state
electrical
code
and
a
state
plumbing
code
for
jurisdictions
that
don't
adopt
building
codes
and
there's
still
a
few
of
those
in
the
state
of
Colorado.
The
state
will
come
in
and
issue
the
permits
and
do
these
inspections
for
the
electrical
and
the
plumbing
systems
and
the
state
has
made
a
ruling
that
you
can't
bring
in
prefabricated
units
because
they
in
progress,
construction
inspections
have
to
be
performed,
and
so
it
said,
that's
also.
AD
My
position
is
the
building
official,
the
residential
code
mandates
that
we
perform
certain
inspections
during
the
actual
construction
phase
of
these
units.
So
if
they
were
to
be
manufactured
off-site,
someone
brought
in,
they
would
have
to
be
done
under
a
program
similar
to
manufactured
homes
which
are
inspected
by
the
state.
So.
X
G
AD
H
H
W
So,
just
to
put
this
in
context,
what
this
does
is.
It
puts
the
ability
to
do
tiny
homes
into
our
code
as
its
recommended
by
the
International
Building
Code.
We
can
amend
the
International
Building
Code
and
we
do
that
in
lots
of
places.
If
you
look
at
this
at
the
code,
we
have
lots
of
local
amendments.
Just
build
tiny
homes
should
still
have
to
figure
out
where
to
zone
them
and
allow
them.
So
if
you
want
to
have
tiny
homes,
you'll
have
to
have
another
discussion
about
where
they
should
be.
W
So
as
part
of
that
discussion,
we
could
drill
down
into
what
you
want
to
see
in
terms
of
the
building
code,
but
right
now
all
you're
doing
is
authorizing
them,
as
recommended
by
the
International
Building
Code.
Without
local
amendment,
you
could
do
local
amendments
and
if
you
want
to
do
that,
we'd
certainly
be
happy
to
research,
liens
and
other
cities
and
see
what
they've
done.
That's
a
bigger
conversation.
W
X
AD
I,
don't
believe
so
I
recommended
that
be
put
in
there
just
to
make
it
explicit,
instead
of
implicit,
because
the
way
that
the
appendix
reads
it
says
you
have
to
follow
all
of
the
other
provisions
in
the
in
the
IRC,
except
for
what's
in
this
appendix
and
the
IRC
has
permanent
foundations
under
its
buildings.
So.
AD
X
X
X
W
AD
There's
also
a
recommended
amendment
that
clarifies
the
intent
of
a
current
amendment
that
requires
a
change
of
use
in
commercial
buildings
that
exceed
two
thousand
square
feet
in
floor
area
to
be
protected
with
an
automatic
sprinkler
system.
In
conversations
with
our
chief
fire
marshal
David
Lowery.
It
was
not
always
the
intent
to
do
this
straight
across
the
board.
It
was
only
if
there's
a
higher
fire
hazard
or
a
higher
greater
hazard
with
the
new
occupancy.
AD
One
of
the
nine
codes
that
we're
recommending
for
adoption
is
the
International
wildland
urban
interface
code
and
section
503
of
this
code
talks
about
the
requirement
for
mission
resistant
building
materials
for
the
decking,
the
walking
surface
of
decks,
and
it
says
in
order
to
qualify
as
a
mission
resistant.
It
has
to
meet
this
test
standard
or
it
has
to
be
non
combustible
material
or
it
needs
to
be
fire
retardant
treated
wood
or
it
needs
to
be
an
assembly,
the
class
that
meets
the
requirements
for
a
Class
A
roof
assembly.
AD
The
most
common
choice
for
this
decking
material
is
composite
decking,
which
has
the
color
finish
in
the
manufacturing
product
in
the
manufacturing
of
the
product,
and
it
has
a
lifetime
maintenance-free
component
to
it.
So
property
owners
prefer
to
use
that,
unfortunately,
I
have
not
been
able
to
find
a
single
composite
decking
material
that
meets
that
test
standard.
So
I've
been
in
conversation
with
several
other
jurisdictions.
AD
The
city
of
excuse
me,
the
county
of
Boulder,
has
amended
the
code
to
allow
a
lower
standard
which
would
allow
some,
but
not
all
composite
decking.
Some
Jefferson
County
has
adopted
the
same
amendment
effective
the
first
of
the
year
and
the
state
California
State
Fire
Marshal
is
also
designed
their
own
test,
where
they
will
allow
some
composite
decking
material
to
be
used
for
decks.
AD
My
personal
opinion
is
that
we're
using
the
wrong
test
standard
for
these
decks
we're
using
a
standard
for
how
we
test
ceiling,
finishes
and
wall
finish
materials
we're
not
using
the
same
test
that
we
use
for
roofs,
we're
not
using
the
tests
that
we
use
for
floors.
So
I'm,
not
convinced
that
we're
using
the
proper
test
here.
So.
G
AD
Y
AD
California
Fire
Marshal
office
actually
produces
a
list
of
all
the
materials
has
been
tested
that
meet
that
requirement,
so
you
could
go
on
to
their
website
and
find
out
that
particular
product.
If
it
meets
that-
and
we
can
do
that
with
the
same
thing
that
we're
recommending
we
can
go
on
and
see
how
these
materials,
what
tests
they'll
pass
and
it's
actually,
they
get
an
a
B
or
C
rating.
Okay,
thank
you
and
that
concludes
the
significant
changes
to
the
building
code.
AE
Okay
good
evening,
so
switching
gears
to
talk
about
the
energy
code
what's
being
proposed
with
this
code
update,
is
transitioning
from
the
2017
city
of
Boulder
Energy,
Conservation
code
to
the
2020
city
of
Boulder
and
energy
conservation
code,
and
this
is
different.
The
codes
will
has
been
talking
about
now.
AE
There
are
a
lot
of
national
codes
that
we
just
adopt
and
then
make
amendments
to
to
suit
boulders
needs
and
in
the
case
of
the
energy
code,
we
really,
along
with
other
leading
jurisdictions,
take
the
national
energy
code
and
rewrite
it
to
be
a
code,
that's
about
20%,
better
than
the
national
code,
and
we
do
this
because
the
national
codes
aren't
really
keeping
pace
with
the
level
of
efficiency
that
we
need
to
keep
up
with
to
meet
our
climate
commitment
goals.
So
we've
rewritten
the
code
to
create
the
2020
city
of
Boulder
code
question.
AE
Okay,
so
is
that
better
yeah?
So
tonight
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
every
single
change
and
all
the
details
of
all
the
change.
In
the
background,
back
in
2000
april
of
2019
I
presented
a
lot
of
that
detail
to
Council,
as
well
as
the
energy
code
roadmap.
We
have
a
road
map
that
gets
us
to
net
zero
energy
codes
by
2030
and
we'll
plan
to
adopt
a
new
energy
code
every
three
years
and
I
got
into
a
lot
of
that
detail
in
April
on
the
interest
of
time.
AE
The
change
is
really
represented,
pretty
well
by
this
graph
to
meet
the
energy
code
on
the
residential
side,
projects
have
to
meet
an
energy
rating
index,
which
is
also
known
as
a
her
score,
which
is
a
home
energy
rating
score
that
goes
from
0
to
100,
zeros
and
net
zero
energy
home.
A
100
is
an
energy
code,
compliant
home
built
in
roughly
2006,
and
our
requirements
are
based
on
the
square
footage
of
the
project.
AE
The
blue
line
in
this
graph
represents
the
current
GRI
requirements,
and
the
orange
line
represents
the
proposed
2020
new
construction
Eri
requirements.
You
can
see
that
the
requirements
for
smaller
homes
start
at
a
hers
rating
or
an
Eri
score
of
50,
and
then
they
moved
down
the
larger
the
home
gets
to,
and
that's
your
energy
home
for
any
home
over
3,000
square
feet
and
that's
different
to
the
current
code
in
that
right
now,
the
threshold
is
5000
square
feet.
It
needs
to
be
net
zero
energy
so
that
the
requirements
are
just
getting
more
stringent.
AE
Another
big
change
to
the
residential
energy
code
is
aligning
with
the
county
on
this
particular
requirement.
Any
applicant,
that's
choosing
to
do
outdoor
heating,
whether
it's
a
snowmelt
system
or
a
spa
or
a
pool,
will
need
to
offset
the
energy
consumption
with
renewables.
To
do
that,
heating
outdoors
ask.
X
AE
AE
AC
AE
Bit
how
its
build,
if
it
has
common
space
and
internal
corridors,
it's
governed
by
the
Commercial
Code,
and
then
we
have
I'll
get
to
the
commercial
requirements
a
little
bit.
But
we
have
an
a
slightly
different
rating
system
that
applies
to
commercial
units
versus
residential
units.
If
they're
individual
units,
like
a
stack
of
townhomes,
ten,
ten
home
ten
homes
with
separate
means
of
egress
and
no
common
space
and
that's
governed
by
the
residential
code
and
those
projects
based
on
square
footage,
would
have
to
meet
the
ERI
criteria
and.
AC
AE
Oftentimes,
when
projects
get
into
that
situation,
they
are
working
with
our
hers,
rater
and
they're
hers.
Raider
can
sort
of
squeak
out
some
more
points,
either
adding
an
extra
solar
panel
or
redoing
the
blower
door,
testing
and
tightening
up
the
home
or
changing
out
appliances
changing
out
lights.
You
know
just
making
minor
tweaks
if
there
are
just
those
few
points
over
most
hers,
Raider
just
build
in
a
pretty
big
buffer
of
you
know,
10
points
just
in
case
something
like
that.
Where
do
a
car?
Okay.
AC
AE
Okay,
so
just
moving
on
to
the
high
points
of
The
Commercial
Code,
basically
across
the
board
and
the
Commercial
Code
we're
requiring
commercial
buildings
to
be
more
efficient,
they're
20%,
more
efficient
than
the
2018
code,
and
about
5%
more
efficient
than
what
our
current
code
requires
them
to
be.
The
second
bullet
here
we're
also
changing
how
projects
demonstrate
compliance
with
the
energy
code.
AE
We're
right
now,
projects
build
these
theoretical
models
of
a
baseline
projected
model
and
a
proposed
projected
energy
model
where
it's
predicting
cost,
and
then
you
make
this
comparison
and
we're
moving
away
from
that
and
just
starting
to
set
targets
based
on
building
type,
whether
it's
multifamily
or
office
small
office
and
setting
specific
energy
use
index
targets
for
each
of
those
projects.
The
projects
need
to
hit
and
we're
making
this
transition
and
an
effort
to
move
more
towards
a
net
zero
energy
code,
ultimately
that
we
can
verify
more
easily.
AE
The
third
bullet
point
here
is
the
envelope
and
below
backstop,
and
this
is
this
is
kind
of
closing
a
loophole
that
exists
in
the
current
code.
Projects
can
install
less
than
high
performance
windows
or
slightly
less
insulation,
and
they
can
just
make
up
for
that
by
adding
solar
with
the
cost
of
solar
coming
down
so
much
in
the
last
few
years.
AE
5%
of
the
buildings,
energy
consumption
will
need
to
be
generated
by
renewables
on-site,
and
this
is
really
just
another
step
in
the
direction
of
creating
a
net
zero
energy
code
will
kind
of
already
hit
on
this.
I'll
just
touch
it
briefly.
The
energy
code
triggers
currently
the
energy
code
requirements
are
triggered
based
on
the
construction
value
of
the
project
and
the
assessed
value
of
the
project.
AE
Next
is
a
requirement
for
construction
demolition,
waste
builders
had
construction
and
demolition
waste
requirements
for
over
a
decade.
The
changes
for
this
code
are
really
one
adjusting
the
requirements,
we're
moving
to
sort
of
align
our
requirements
with
the
LEED
rating
systems,
requirements
to
require
projects
that
are
demoing,
building,
reuse
and
recycle,
or
divert
from
a
landfill
at
least
75%
with
the
debris.
AE
Probably,
the
biggest
change
is
that
the
requirements
have
always
applied
to
residential
projects
and
now
we're
expanding
that
to
all
residential
and
commercial
projects,
and
then,
lastly,
we're
also
trying
to
improve
the
enforcement
of
this
we're
proposing
a
refundable
deposit
that
the
applicant
will
put
down
at
the
time
of
application
and
then
once
they
demonstrate
that
they
have
recycled
and
reused
according
to
their
demolition
plan.
They'll
get
that
money
back
so.
AE
Okay
and
then
this
is
my
last
slide
on-
embody
carbon.
Just
in
the
past
few
months,
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
and
have
started
a
lot
of
really
interesting
conversations
with
our
community
around
in
body
carbon.
The
importance
of
embodied
carbon
relative
to
the
building
codes
is
illustrated
roughly
in
this
graph,
which
shows
operational,
energy
and
orange,
and
that
embodied
energy
in
white
and
embodied
energy
is
just
all
the
energy
that
goes
into
building
the
structure.
AE
AE
AE
So
with
that
being
said,
with
this
code
update
we're
starting
to
address
the
body
carbon
in
two
ways,
I
would
say
one
as
the
previous
slide
explained.
We're
proposing
that
you
know
all
demolition
projects,
increased
landfill
diversion
rates
and
we're
increasing
the
enforcement
around
that
as
well,
and
then
we're
all
so
relaxing
slightly
the
requirements
for
building
renovations.
AE
It's
sort
of
ties
into
that
alteration
level,
discussion
as
well,
and
we're
doing
that,
because
we
have
heard
on
occasion
that
people
can't
reuse
the
building,
because
the
building
energy
code
requirements
are
so
cumbersome
that
it's
impossible
to
reuse
this
building,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
relax.
Some
of
those
requirements
to
take
away
any
barriers
to
building
reuse
and
then,
as
we
move
forward
for
future
codes,
there's
a
lot
of
work
being
done
by
city
staff
on
this
topic.
Zero
waste,
Cara
Mertz
from
zero
waste
is
here
to
represent
zero
waste.
AE
They've
been
working
with
our
with
consultants
to
conduct
an
urban
metabolism
study
that
looks
at
the
life
cycle
of
all
building
materials
being
consumed
in
Boulder,
we're
working
to
develop
policies
and
programs
and
educational
outreach
to
start
transitioning
to
a
more
circular
economy,
not
just
for
buildings
but
for
a
material
use
across
the
city
and
that'll.
Also
just
mention
the
hospital
project,
a
lot
of
works
being
done
on
the
Alpine
balsam
project
that
reflects
these
long-term
goals.
We're
reusing
several
the
buildings
there
and
converting
them
from
our
worst
performing
buildings
into
our
best
performing
buildings.
AE
The
buildings
that
we
are
taking
down
we're
working
very
carefully
to
learn
as
much
as
we
can
about
taking
those
buildings
down
and
diverting
as
much
from
the
landfill
as
possible,
we're
hoping
to
hit
diversion
rates
above
eighty
five
percent
on
that
particular
project.
And
it's
our
hope
from
the
studies
we're
doing
with
CU
and
zero
waste
and
these
projects
to
really
that
will
really
inform
future
policy
moving
forward.
V
AE
That
was
done
by
carbon,
neutral
cities,
Alliance
a
lot
of
leading
jurisdictions
with
Boulder
and
really
across
the
globe.
You
know
we're
working
with
a
number
of
cities
to
figure
out
what
our
next
policy
steps
are
around
the
body
carbon.
It's
pretty
complicated,
creating
a
body
carbon
analysis,
but
you
know
what
the
bookends
to
that
analysis.
Look
like
figuring
out
the
data
that
goes
into
it.
There's
just
a
lot
a
lot
going
on
in
the
industry
around
this
topic,
okay
and
then
I'll
pass
it
back
to
willow
for
the
last
slide.
So.
AB
They've
designed
it
anticipating
a
certain
set
of
rules,
folks
that
are
further
out
if
they
know
that
change
is
coming,
they
can
plan
for
it.
So
we
have
applicants
right
now,
some
of
which
are
working
with
will
already
and
Kristin
already,
anticipating
that
they're
gonna
design
their
building
to
the
new
codes.
We
have
other
folks
that
are
close
to
submitting
for
building
permits.
So
that's
why
we're
recommending
the
change
to
July
1st
is
it's
closer
to
what
our
standard
practice
is,
and
it
won't
also
cause
anyone
to
have
to
do
a
major
redesign.
AE
AC
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
something
we
discussed
earlier.
Is
there
a
policy
basis
for
treating
a
50,000
square
foot
condo
project
more
leniently
in
terms
of
energy
conservation
than
a
3,000
square
foot
house,
it
seems
to
me
the
impact
of
the
former
is
greater.
Yet
the
requirements
are
lesser
and
it
may
be
just
that's,
because
we've
always
done
it
that
way,
but
I'm
asking.
Is
there
a
policy
rationale
for
doing
it?
That
way.
AE
AC
AF
Excuse
me,
Carolyn
Elam,
with
the
climate
initiatives,
Department
I'll
take
a
shot
at
answering
that
in
our
original
or
earlier
memo
from
lat
earlier
last
spring,
we
went
through
the
cost
analysis,
and
so
it
really
comes
down
to
when
technology's
ready,
so
that
we're
not
overly
burning
these
projects
as
well.
So
when
we're
not
talking
about
some
of
the
larger
homes,
you
know
the
technologies
kept
pace
when
you
eliminate
gasps
tap
the
meter
you're.
AF
Basically,
the
analysis
is
showing
you
can
build
that
home
on
par
with
what
you
would
have
if
you
were
like
trying
to
do
just
a
conventional
natural
gas
furnace
when
you
start
to
get
into
the
smaller
units.
We're
still
doing
that
analysis
and
we
want
to
do
some
more
engagement,
they're,
definitely
on
the
pathway
to
get
there.
So
it's
really
more
a
matter
of
timing
and
when
we're
showing
that
we're
not
necessarily
creating
an
undue
financial
burden
and
driving
costs
up,
while
we're
trying
to
accomplish
our
energy
goals
at
the
same
time.
AF
AF
AG
AG
Your
outreach
was
great
well
and
Kristin
and
I
know
there
were
a
bunch
of
other
people
that
were
involved
in
that
and
I
applaud
that
I.
To
my
knowledge,
we've
never
had
that
before,
so
that
that
was
all
great
I
noticed
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
can't
in
the
camera.
There
was
an
article
about
council,
eyeing,
support
of
small
businesses
and
what
I
wanted
to
point
out
is-
and
somebody
mentioned
it
to
just
a
few
minutes
ago-
with
planning
and
development
services
being
stretched
thin
and
so
really
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about.
AG
Briefly,
is
that
review
times
on
these
small
commercial
projects,
and
these
are
projects
where
we're
taking
a
commercial
space
in
the
strip,
mall
someplace,
something
like
that
and
we're
putting
a
tenant
into
a
space.
These
are
small
businesses.
We
used
to
have
review
times
of
a
week
or
two
weeks,
and
now
our
review
times
are
six
weeks
and
in
fact,
I
had
a
little
project.
Just
recently
got
comments
back,
I
brought
the
comments
in
and
I
was
told.
AG
You
know
that
the
client
that
I'm
working
with
right
now
has
he
has
been
opening
businesses
in
several
from
jurisdictions
all
over
the
country
and
he's
never
seen
anything
like
it.
You
know
how
far
we're
being
pushed
out
here
so
I
think
that's
the
extent
of
what
I
have
to
do
to
say
the
other
thing
I
mean
you
know
the
stretch
thin
piece.
AG
There
is
a
long
Turner
it
sometimes
phone
calls.
Aren't
returned,
or
they
return
really
slowly
and
what
I
get
out
of
that
is
just
that.
People
on
staff
are
stretched
thin
and
they
can't
respond.
When
there
are
questions,
you
know
we're
trying
to
get
answers,
we're
trying
to
help
people
we're
trying
to
facilitate,
and
it's
it's
really
turning
into
a
big
challenge,
so
your
consideration
would
be
appreciated.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AH
County
has
such
an
intense
need
for
attainable
housing,
movable,
tiny
homes
is
that
we
build
homes
for
sixty
five
to
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
That
is
attainable
most
people
that
I
know
right
now,
unless
they're
earning
$200,000
or
more
can't
buy
a
home
in
Boulder
County
or
a
lot
of
the
Front
Range.
A
movable,
tiny
home
provides
the
opportunity
for
housing
for
people
that
are
in
desperate
need
of
it
inspections
located
in
Lyons.
We
adhere
to
a
very
strict
building
codes.
AH
Liens,
how
could
liens
adopt
this
when
I
brought
associates
to
liens
to
answer
the
questions
about
the
stringent
building
codes?
Have
we
build
to
is
when
liens
finally
said
AHA?
We
can
do
that
now,
a
movable
tiny
home.
It
is
a
full-on
home.
It
just
has
wheels
on
it.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it
really
has
wheels
underneath
it
or
a
ferris
wheel,
underneath
it
they
can
be
removed.
They
can
be
placed
on
foundations
all
the
homes
we
build.
AH
The
impact
on
the
neighborhood
is
far
reduced
when
you
can
just
roll
a
tiny
home
into
a
yard
and
your
neighbors
don't
have
to
put
up
with
the
construction
for
three
six
months
a
year
or
two
years.
You
know
it's.
A
very
sensible
and
humanistic
way
of
building
inspectors
could
come
from
Boulder
to
Lyons.
The
full
15
minute
drive
inspect
every
single
step
of
our
build.
No
different
than
building
south
boulder
to
inspect
we're
working
at
trying
to
you
know
have
attainable
housing,
so
people
can
live
in
a
more
sustainable
manner.
AH
To
help
promote
a
more
sustainable
future
on
our
planet
has
been
like
the
leading
poster
child
for
years.
As
for
planning
for
zoning
for
green
building,
movable
tiny
homes
is
just
like
one
with
that
completely
you
know,
and
to
move
from
the
possibility.
I
think
is
absurd
for
Boulder,
because
it's
not
really
living
to
the
standard
that
voter
has
preached
for
the
40
years.
I've
been
around
involved
with
Boulder
and
to
ignore
that
I
think
is
just
absurd.
I
I'd
like
to
thank
you
very
much
for
considering
appendix
Q
thank.
AI
Union
council,
my
name
is
Mikkel
I
use
they
pronouns
on
the
education
and
program
manager
for
Al
Boulder,
County
I'm,
commenting
tonight
on
the
updates
to
the
bathroom
codes
and
wanted
to
say
that
this
is
a
really
important
update
as
far
as
accessibility
for
our
queer
trans
and
non-binary
population.
It's
also
an
important
move
for
parents
with
young
children
of
a
different
gender
as
well
as
folks
with
caregivers
of
a
different
gender
than
them
for
accessibility.
AI
I
also
want
to
highlight
the
multi-use
option
is
a
really
important
move
forward
and
it
also
benefits
groups
such
as
school
groups
that
are
on
field
trips.
The
also
the
importance
of
the
signage,
not
highlighting
gender
I
think
is
really
important
and
I
commend
boulders
movements
to
make
this
a
smart
and
sensible
change.
AI
But
is
no
longer
so
I
think
that
it's
actually
a
better
move
and
I
support
the
move
to
avoid
gendered
language
in
the
signage
and
speaking
as
a
representative
for
out
Boulder
in
that,
while
I'm
also
up
here
one
is
that
this
is
a
safety
issue.
Thank
you
for
moving
forward
on
this,
and
I
also
want
to
highlight
that
the
Boulder
County
Public
Library,
is
a
really
good
example
of
a
successful
multi
style,
restroom
and
they're
having
their
ribbon-cutting
this
Thursday
morning
at
9:00
a.m.
so
I
want
to.
AI
Let
folks
know
that
in
case
you
don't.
That
would
be
a
great
way
to
check
this
out
in
action.
How
this
is
working-
and
this
is
not
a
new
phenomenon,
though
it
might
seem
new
to
this
area
and
also
I'm.
A
Boulder
County
is
here
as
a
resource
I'd
like
to
highlight
that
every
time
I
come
and
address
the
council
that
we
are
here
as
a
resource.
AI
G
X
I
M
Seagull
Mountain
Heights
was
not
intuitively
clear
to
me
about
the
sprinkler
situation
is
ad
use
that
are
preexisting,
and
this
is
an
iterative
process,
but
I
can't
ask
well
things
so
like
the
way
this
whole
process
works
has
problems
as
that
that
study
indicated
of
the
staff
and
council
and
everyone,
but
just
saying
pre-existing
ed
use
before
the
new
ad
rules
that
don't
have
a
sprinkler
system
do
they
have
to
install
a
sprinkler
system.
I
can't
ask
you
well
because
I
can't
ask
things
now
so
great,
okay,.
M
He
can't
answer
you
know:
I,
didn't
notice
any
demolition,
separation
of
materials
for
311
and
I've
been
on
to
them
like
from
the
beginning,
so
I
don't
get
that
where's.
The
demo
I'm
gonna
get
your
card
before
you
go
and
I'm
gonna
find
out
what's
going
on
there,
because
that
was
I've
been
up
to
that
site.
Many
times,
I
live
around
there
and
I
haven't
seen
anything,
but
you
know
shooting
out
the
windows.
They've
just
blighted
the
whole
place,
they've
just
trashed
it
and
there's
nothing
like
this.
M
Going
on
there
swim
pools
you
want
to
talk
about.
It
has
to
be
solar.
Well
also
include
a
time
for
neighborhood
kids
to
swim
in
those
pools
because
pools
use
up
a
lot
of
embodied
energy,
and
we
can't
have
many
many
of
them,
so
that
should
be
a
better
exchange,
even
more
so
than
solar
and
and
I.
Also
don't
like
just
you
can,
because
your
solar,
because
you're
doing
these-
and
you
know
good
things
for
the
environment.
M
G
Great,
thank
you.
Anyone
else
sure
public
comment.
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
close
public
comment
and
bring
it
back
to
Council
for
discussion
before
we
do.
I
do
just
want
to
clear
one
thing
up:
McKellar,
if
you're
still
here,
the
ribbon-cutting
for
the
restroom
renovation
in
the
library
will
be
Friday
at
10:05
a.m.
so
it's
not
Thursday,
but
it
will
be
Friday
at
10:05.
So
anyone
who'd
like
to
come
all
council
members
are
invited.
M
G
So
for
discussion,
I
thought
we
would
bring
it
back
and
we
can
chunk
it
down
into
parts.
Maybe
one
way
to
start.
This
would
be
to
talk
about
the
non
major
changes
and
just
see
if
there's
anybody
that
has
any
concern
with
any
of
the
things
that
weren't
highlighted
because
there's
like
nine
different
codes
involved
here
and
so
any
council
members
have
any
issues
with
points
that
weren't
highlighted
or
contained
in
those
codes.
G
We
had
a
question
about
outside
heating
for
commercial
projects,
including
condos
and
hotels,
I,
assume
and
apartment
buildings,
and
then
Mark
had
raised
condo
questions
and
energy
codes
and
I
think
I
understood
the
answer,
but
we
might
want
to
come
back
to
that
and
then
I
have
appendix
Q
I
figured.
There
would
be
some
discussion
with
that.
Is
there
any
other
subject
around
this
to
Jimmy.
U
G
G
X
I
guess
I
might
ask
staff,
maybe
to
think
about
that
a
little
bit.
It
just
seems
that,
like
we've
seen
projects
with
out
outdoor
heated
pools
and
so
just
wonder
if
it
would
be
worth
adding
a
similar
provision
to
the
commercial
requirements,
I'm
thinking
primarily
we're
on
pools,
like
I,
wouldn't
want
to
make
somebody
wanted
to
put
in
an
outdoor
heating
element
out
after
they
constructed
building
I,
wouldn't
want
to
try
to
make
them
put
a
solar
panel
on
just
for
some
little
thing
like
that.
AE
Think
it's
a
reasonable
change.
I
think
we
could
use
the
same
language
I'm.
The
only
concerned,
that's
I'm,
thinking
of
it.
My
head
is
around
scalability.
If
it's
a
really
really
large
pool
I'm
thinking
like
carpenter,
you
know
some
of
these
really
large
pools.
There
might
not
physically
be
enough
square
footage
for
the
solar
coverage,
so
the
scalability
is
the
only
thing.
AE
That's
really
a
concern
to
me
that
we
could,
but
we
could
look
into
that
and
make
sure
that
we
have
a
solution
for
that
kind
of
project
and
it
might
be
the
energy
impact
offset
fund
or
something
like
that,
but
it
certainly
look
to
expand
it.
Expand
that
supervision
to
commercial
projects
and
I
think
90%
of
the
cases.
It
should
be
no
problem.
It's
just
those
few
cases
that
I'm
thinking
about
where
it
could
present
a
problem
and.
X
AJ
Propane
fire
pits
are
not
considered
open
burning.
Those
are
open
flame,
they're
treated
through
the
plumbing
code
in
the
mechanical
code
and
installed
in
accordance
with
those
code.
What's
illegal
is
open
burning
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
which
is
green
wood
things
like
that,
but
gas,
they
don't
present
the
fire
embers
or
the
sparks
that
go
into
the
air.
So
we
do
have
those
and
said
they're
regulated
by
Plumbing
Code
and
mechanical
code
and.
AE
The
overall
energy
code
would
pull
that
in
because
any
any
usage
of
gas
on
this
site
will
be
pulled
into
that
energy
use
index
that
there's
a
score
that
the
building
has
to
hit,
and
so
the
gas
usage
that's
associated.
That
would
also
play
into
that
score.
So
if
there's
excessive
gas
heating,
that's
going
to
show
up
in
that
score
and
it's
actually
gonna
be
more
heavily
weighted,
because
gas
usage
hits
the
UI
score
harder
than
electric
usage
and.
AF
So,
within
the
Solar
regulations
that
govern
us
at
the
state,
you
can
go
120
percent
of
your
electrical
usage,
so
it
doesn't
effectively
ban
gas
appliances
per
se
within
the
home,
but
Kristin
was
alluding
to
is.
You
cannot
hit
the
net
zero
score
with
heating,
so
whether
it's
your
space,
heating
or
water
heating
that
really
has
to
move
to
electric
with
20%,
probably
covers
your
gas
fire
pit
or
you
can
still
put
in
your
gas
stove.
AF
AK
AK
But
if
you
are,
you
know
we're
in
your
senior
years
or
disabilities,
like
my
grandparents
they're,
not
gonna
go
shovel
their
driveway,
so
they
might
have
installed
one
of
those,
but
I
don't
want
so
again
a
lot
of
those
people
at
that
age.
You're
living
on
their
pensions
are
Social
Security.
So
if
they're
then
having
to
go,
spend
more
money
to
offset,
but
then
again
they
would
cost
money
to
implement
that
too
so
I
mean.
Are
we
having
major
issues
with
that,
or
is
that
kind
of
just
can
all
washout?
It's
just
a
thought.
AE
Yeah
I
mean
I
have
to
say:
we
don't
see
a
ton
of
these,
but
especially
the
snow
melt
systems.
We
really
don't
see
a
ton
of
those
anymore.
Most
people
choose
to
just
get
a
shoveling
service,
I.
Think,
okay,
actually
installing
the
snow
melt
system,
it's
it's
I,
think
what
we
see
a
lot
more
of
is
the
heated
pool
and
heat.
It's
I'm,
not
kind
of
outdoor
heating.
Okay,
thanks
so.
G
I
had
a
question
following
up
on
the
concern
of
scalability,
for
you
mentioned
the
energy
impact
offset
fund,
so
that
raises
the
question:
do
subscriptions
to
solar,
Gardens
and
so
on.
Is
that
part
of
the
way
that
you
can
achieve
Net
Zero,
if
you
have
or
your
your
energy
rating,
that's
required?
If
you
have
an
outdoor
heated
pool,
would
you
be
able
to
offset
that
through
solar
garden
membership?
You.
AE
Could
potentially
the
way
the
current
the
way
we've
proposed
the
code
currently
is
that
you
have
to
first
demonstrate
that
you
couldn't
do
that
on-site,
it's
technically
infeasible
to
not
to
do
it
on-site.
If
you
can
demonstrate
that
there
are
reason
that
it's
technically
infeasible
on-site,
you
can
then
pursue
community
solar
to
meet
those
requirements.
Okay,.
G
P
W
Would
have
to
go
to
four
three,
so
why
don't
we
do
this?
It's
hard
to
have
them
answer
right
up
here,
mm-hmm,
since
it
has
to
come
to
third
reading
anyway,
if
they
can
do
it,
we'll
put
it
into
third
reading
and
then
you'll
have
to
go
to.
Fourth,
if
not
we'll
explain
why,
in
the
memo
for
third
reading,
okay.
G
Okay,
good
next
I
have
mark
mark.
You
did
ask
some
questions
about
condos
and
I
think
the
way
I
understood
the
answer
was
because
condos
are
separate
units
and
they
have
separate
appliances
that
the
heat
pumps
and
the
heating
systems
don't
make
sense.
Yet
at
that
small
scale,
does
that
satisfy
your
question?
Or
do
you
want
to
talk
more
about.
AC
That
well,
for
instance,
the
new
condominium
ad
Broadway
in
balsam
has
five
or
six
units
all
approximately
3,000
square
feet,
and
my
inquiry
was
as
to
whether
it's
a
good
idea
to
have
a
separate
standard
for
energy
conservation
for
those,
as
opposed
to
a
free-standing
house.
Those
are
very
large
units
and
the
answer
may
be:
there's
a
good
reason.
I
just
wasn't
like
you
know
what
it
was
other
than
the
fact.
We've
always
done
it
that
way.
Yeah.
AE
I
mean
those
projects
aren't
getting
a
deal
of
relief.
The
energy
code
requirements
are
still
quite
stringent
for
those
projects
they're
just
hard
to
compare
apples
to
apples.
It's
hard
to
compare
the
energy
index
on
the
commercial
projects
to
the
enter,
the
ERI,
the
energy
rating
index
of
a
home.
Those
two,
those
two
scoring
indexes
that
we
use
in
the
industry
are
hard
to
get
a
side-by-side
comparison
on,
but,
as
Caroline
explained,
really
the
goal
for
all
projects.
You
know
in
the
next
three
code
cycles
is
to
get
the
Malta
net
zero
energy.
X
I'll
just
know
I
mean
mark
like
that
particular
project,
so
very
large
units,
but
I
mean
in
my
understanding
is
that
if
you
have
a
condo
project
with
40
units
in
a
building
that
the
kind
of
per
unit
energy
usage
is
much
lower
on
average
than
the
first
freestanding
homes
as
well.
This
is
another
thing
to
consider
job.
Okay,.
G
G
X
Would
I
have
one
particular
thing
I
would
just
I
would
like
to
get
a
confirmation
that
you
could
use
one
as
an
Adu,
because
I
was
looking
at
pending
skewing
of
references,
single
family,
so
not
sure
if
it's
fully
compatible,
because
if,
if
we
need
to
change
a
few
words
in
appendix
Q
in
order
to
make
sure
you
could
use
them
as
an
Adu
I'd
like
to
make
sure
we
do
that.
Aaron.
AB
U
I
just
wanted
to
know
a
little
bit
more
because
you
mentioned
plan
on
board
wanting
it
to
be
on
fixed
foundation.
But
if
we
are,
what
can
we
do?
How
about
a
hybrid
system,
because
you
mentioned
the
utilities?
Is
it
not
possible
to
have
utilities
if
it's
on
moveable
wheels,
and
you
also
mentioned
that
it
wouldn't
be?
U
AD
So
the
fixed
foundation
and
the
connection
to
permanent
utilities
is
the
intent
of
the
code,
in
my
opinion,
and
to
add
those
explicitly
was
just
for
a
clarification
council
could
have
been
that
code
if
they
chose
to
my
biggest
concern
was
to
make
sure
that
counsel
was
aware
that
this
was
an
option
now
for
the
first
I'm
in
the
residential
code
and
I
apologize.
If
I
didn't
make
it
clear
that
the
goal
is
to
have
them
on
a
permanent
foundation.
AD
The
codes
do
recognize,
what's
known
as
third
party
special
inspectors,
but
they
have
to
be
pre-approved
based
on
their
credentials,
so
I
couldn't
just
automatically
say
yes,
this
firm
would
be
approved.
I
would
have
to
do
some
research
and
find
out
who
this
company
is
and
what
their
program
looks
like.
But
third
party
special
inspectors
can
be
approved
and
the
connection
to
permanent
utilities
is
the
way
that
the
codes
are
written.
The
codes
not
written
in
a
way
that
we
have
quick
disconnect
utilities
for
our
dwelling
units.
H
And
I
just
like
to
hear
more
about
the
process,
because
I
think
you
said
this
is
kind
of
our
tom
said.
This
is
step
one
allowing
tiny
homes
to
be
legal
in
Boulder
if
I'm
understanding
correctly.
So
if
we
do
want
as
a
council
to
look
at
having
them
not
fixed
foundation
and
not
fixed
utilities,
what
would
the
process
of
that
look
like,
and
when
would
we
be
looking
at
that?
I.
W
H
What
happens
is
tiny
homes
can
be
moved,
and
so
you
can,
you
know,
be
in
a
town
for
one
year
or
part
of
the
year,
and
then
you
can
tie
them
down
again.
I
am
definitely
not
an
expert
on
this,
but
my
understanding
is
they
can
be
more
mobile
and
that
there
is
a
convenience
factor,
and
you
know
we
had
one
person
sharing
about
red
tape
in
the
city
and
making
things
harder
rather
than
easier.
H
So
if
we
want
to
incentivize,
affordable
housing
and
the
ease
of
setting
up
a
tiny
home
I'd
again,
not
knowing
enough
about
it,
I
just
wonder
what
is
the
process
for
if
we
do
want
to
move
in
that
direction
and
I
understand,
that's
how
Lyons
is
doing
it.
So
that's
part
of
what
makes
me
think
there
must
be
some
benefit
to
it.
The.
W
Gentleman
testified
talked
about
building
them
elsewhere,
moving
them
to
a
site
and
then
putting
them
Foundation.
So
he
wasn't
I,
don't
know
so
I'm,
not
sure
what
Lyons
does
that
would
be
different
than
having
them
on
wheels
and
attaching
some
other
form
of
utility
to
them.
So
you
could
you
could
allow
that
if
you
wanted
by
making
a
small
change
in
the
code,
you
might
also
then
require
the
inspection
that
the
gentleman
also
talked
about
to
make
sure
that
they
were
good.
But
so
again
the
the
challenge
is
that
they
would
be
allowed.
G
X
I'm
just
trying
to
get
us
into
when
we
say
fixed
foundation,
I
mean
I,
get
that
that's
different
from
being
on
wheels
right,
then
that
that's
fine,
but
let's
in
the
snare
the
gentleman
is
talking
about.
So
it's
preassembled
in
another
location,
there's
a
special
inspection,
I
guess,
that's
possible.
You're
saying
for
the
remote
inspector
could
make
sure
you're
complying
with
that
little
building
codes
and
then
you
bring
it
in
and
then
you
put
it
on
a
pad
and
then
hook
up
water
and
sewer.
It
is
that
allowable.
W
As
I
read
the
proposed
code
that
would
not
be
allowable
the
proposed
code
says
tiny-home
shall
be
constructed
on
permanent
foundations.
So
I
would
read
that
as
a
requiring
with
the
correction
actually
a
car
on
the
foundation.
If
you
remove
the
constructions,
I
think
it
might
accommodate
what
the
gentleman.
G
W
Be
shall
be
on
permanent
foundation
utilities.
My
caveat
is
it's
always
dangerous
to
do
this
kind
of
thing
on
the
fly?
If
we're
gonna
bring
this
back,
we
might
want
to
bring
back
language
that,
if
you
want
to
allow
that
you,
you
might
also
want
to
require
inspections
of
some
sort
by
some
certified
third-party
inspector,
which
the
gentleman
also
was
talking
about
doing.
Okay,.
Y
I
heard
the
term
quick,
disconnect
utilities
thrown
out,
and
that
made
me
wonder
if
that
means
electrical
would
have
to
be
set
up
such
that
you
could
quickly
disconnect
your
home
utility
from
electrical.
So
wouldn't
that
implicate
a
system
that
would
have
to
be
put
in
place
by
Excel
at
the
moment,
I
mean
or
does
something
like
that
exist.
AD
Y
Rachel
just
said
a
little
while
ago,
so
that
people
can
be
in
a
place
for
a
year
and
then
move
on,
go
somewhere
else
and
connect
up
somewhere
else.
So
I
was
just
curious,
I
heard
quick-disconnect.
Make
me
think
made
me
think
utilities
made
me
think
well,
Excel
and
I
mean
how
does
all
that
it?
All
it
made
me
think
was
that
it's
a
lot
more
complicated
than
it
sounds
at
first
blush.
G
G
Myself
on
the
stack
here,
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
distinctions.
Rvs
are
quick
disconnects
right,
so
you
can
have
RVs,
which
you
can
pull
into
RV
facility,
and
you
can
hook
up
power.
You
can
hook
up
sewer
and
water,
and
so
there
are
ways
to
have
what's
essentially
a
home.
You
know
RV
more
or
less
there's
the
tiny
home
when
you
get
right
down
to
it
as
stoves
and
bathrooms,
and
bedrooms
and
kind
of
the
whole
thing
so
I
think
we
want
to
make
a
distinction
at
first
I.
G
Think
it's
one
thing:
if
you
want
to
transport
a
prefab
home
and
drop
it
on
to
a
fixed
foundation,
make
a
permanent
connection
to
utilities.
I
think
that's
mostly
what
we've
been
talking
about
and
I
think
if
you
think
about
what
we're
talking
about
tonight,
it's
building
codes
and
building
codes,
kind
of
imply
a
sense
of
permanence
and
it
could
be
prefab,
and
then
it
comes
to
a
place
and
like
we're
doing
in
Ponderosa.
That's
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
that
could
be
prefab,
come
to
a
place,
get
put
on
a
fixed
foundation.
G
Permanent
utilities
and
it'll
stay
there
for
a
long
time.
I
think
there's
another
flavor
of
tiny
homes
that
people
are
flavoring
or
favoring,
which
looks
a
lot
like
an
RV.
You
know
and
that's
where
I
think
we
heard
that
if
it's
gonna
be
mobile
like
sit
on
Wheels
type
of
mobile,
that's
not
gonna,
be
governed
by
the
building
code
and
I.
Think
you
brought
up
a
good
point.
That
would
be
something
that
we
would
maybe
look
at
later.
G
But
if
we
take
we'll
end
up
on
the
fix
foundation
and
Tom,
if
we
make
that
small
change
that
you
talked
about
not
constructed
on
a
fixed
foundation
but
located
or
whatever
on
the
fixed
foundation,
then
I
think
if
we
approve
these
codes
with
tiny
homes,
we've
enabled
a
new
class
of
construction
in
Boulder.
If
we
want
to
come
back
and
talk
about
mobile,
we're
there
intended
to
move
once
a
year,
so
they're
gonna
stay
on
their
wheels
or
be
able
to
slide
on
or
off
I.
Think
that's
a
different
thing
and
I.
G
Don't
think
it's
governed
by
this!
So
much
so
I
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
perhaps
coming
back
to
it.
But
I'm
not
sure
it's
what
we're
talking
about
tonight.
I
mean
tonight's,
mostly
something
intended
to
land
on
a
fixed
foundation
and
stay
for
a
number
of
years.
So
I
would
be
inclined
to
agree
with
what
Planning
Board
did
approve
it
with
the
small
change
that
Tom
suggested,
so
that
it
can
be
prefab
and
can
land
on
the
fixed
foundation.
J
G
Z
AB
AB
Right
now,
we
are
are
several
weeks
behind
in
our
reviews,
and
it's
part
of
what
we
talked
about
at
the
retreat
is
this
year
is
really
a
focused
effort
for
all
of
us
in
planning
and
development
services,
to
do
some
pretty
serious
reimagining
of
how
we
get
our
work
done
to
be
able
to
improve
those
review
times,
and
so
that's
a
focus
of
ours
right
now.
We
know
that
things
are
not
clicking
the
way
that
they
should,
and
that
is
our
focus
for
this
year-
is
to
really
dig
into
each
of
our
processes.
AB
X
G
G
X
Like
thank
you,
staff
for
I
knew.
This
is
actually
an
enormous
lift.
There
are
so
many
different
codes
and
we
are
right
on
the
forefront
of
these
matters
in
this
country
and
it's
due
in
great
part
to
the
fantastic
work
of
our
staff,
in
collaboration
with
our
local
building
professionals.
So,
thanks
to
everyone
and.
Y
W
Very
good
so
I'll
be
presenting
this
very
good.
So
I
was
a
little
background
on
September
17th
Council
passed
ordinance,
83
40,
which
was
the
regulatory
ordinance
involving
vaping.
The
the
ordinance
banned,
sell
tobacco
to
persons
under
21.
It
required
a
government-issued
ID
to
purchase
tobacco,
it
banned
the
sale
of
flavored
vaping
products
and
it
limited
the
number
of
vaping
products
that
could
be
sold
at
one
time
and
on
Election
Day.
W
The
voters
approved
measure
2g
authorizing
a
tax
of
up
to
40%
on
retail
sales
price
of
electronic
smoking
devices,
including
cartridges
refills
at
such
rates
that
are
that
ordinance
just
authorized
the
tax
it
did
not
implement
it.
So
to
impose
the
tax
we
needed.
We
need
another
ordinance,
so
we
have
ordinance
8,
3,
7
6,
which
does
following
it
imposes
the
tax,
effective
July.
1St
2020
creates
a
licensing
requirement
for
the
smelt
track.
Tobacco
products,
effective,
January,
1st
2021.
It
authorizes
a
fee
for
license
up
to
$500.
W
It
closes
a
loophole
that
allowed
at
least
one
wheel,
teller
to
sell
flavors
and
nicotine
separately
and
therefore
avoid
the
ban
requires
the
government
issue.
Id
be
valid
and
not
expired,
and
it
cleans
up
up
some
language
in
the
definitions
without
changing
the
meaning,
there's
no
intent
to
change,
so
the
proposed
tax
staff
is
recommending
that
council
will
impose
it
at
the
40%
that
was
authorized
by
the
ballot.
W
My
recollection
is
that
council
spent
a
lot
of
time
arriving
at
that
number
and
that
it
was
a
very
carefully
chosen
number,
so
I
didn't
feel
a
bro
that
staff
should
recommend
anything
else.
The
tax
on
the
ballot
measure
dedicated
the
revenues
to
the
administrative
cost
of
the
tax,
implementing
administrating
and
enforcement
of
a
licensing
program,
health
promotion,
including
substance,
abuse
prevention
and
smoking
cessation,
and
then
a
provision
that
allows
the
remainder
to
go
to
the
general
fund
for
purposes
of
general
government
licensing.
W
The
the
council's
discussion
with
respect
to
licensing
was
that
licensing
would
be
supported
by
a
tax
if
it
passed
the
tax
past.
Of
course,
the
fee
will
also
support
licenses.
Generally,
all
licensing
programs
are
self-supporting,
so
we
would
intend
that
the
fee
support
the
licensing
program.
The
the
fee,
as
I
said
was
said,
is
authorized
up
to
$500,
since
we
don't
have
any
experience
and
knowing
how
many
licenses
there
are.
W
We,
we
actually
have
very
little
idea
about
how
many
people
sell
tobacco
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
so
we've
estimated
that
500
ollars
seems
a
reasonable
amount.
It
may
be
less
depending
on
what
we
actually
need,
because
fees
actually
have
to
be
related
to
the
cost
of
the
program.
The
city
licenses
the
sale
of
both
alcohol
and
marijuana.
It
seems
to
make
sense
that
there
would
be
licensing
for
tobacco,
so
I
said
the
tax
would
pay
for
it.
W
There
has
to
be
a
gap
between
the
imposition
of
the
tax
and
requiring
licensing
so
that
we
have
some
revenue
actually
pay
for
the
FTEs.
We're
going
to
need
to
do
the
licensing,
so
the
proposal
is
the
tax
would
be
effective.
July,
1st
and
licensing
would
be
effective,
January
1st
of
2021
the
cleanup.
W
So
there
was
one
business
that
was
actually
selling
before
we
did
this
liquids
that
were
a
flavor
and
a
nicotine
separate
since
our
code
only
applied
to
nicotine
flavored
it
didn't,
it
didn't
apply
to
them
those
things
that
they
sell,
so
anything
that's
used
in
a
in
a
vaping
product
under
the
FDA
rules
has
to
be
labeled
as
potentially
requiring
containing
nicotine.
So
all
we've
done
is
add
a
provision
of
the
code
that
prohibits
the
sale
of
things
that
potentially
contain
nicotine.
W
M
M
V
G
V
V
H
X
AC
Yeah
I'm
I'm
cognizant
that
there
are
a
few
small
businesses
that
will
be
adversely
impacted
by
this,
but
the
health
issues
are
so
significant,
so
fundamental
and
the
problem
is
so
large
at
this
point-
that
there's
really
for
me
no
option.
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
piece
of
legislation
and
it
deserves
support
great.
F
AA
AL
You
all
hear
me:
okay,
good
evening
Council.
My
name
is
Amanda
Beavis
Cole
and
I'm.
The
Alpine
balsam
project
manager,
I'm
joined
tonight
by
Christmas,
Chuck,
interim
planning,
director
and
assistant
city
manager,
and
we're
here
tonight
to
present
an
overview
of
the
Alpine
balsam
implementation
and
City
County
working
group.
I
wanted
to
leave
time
tonight
for
questions
and
discussion.
So
I've
condensed
the
presentation,
two
main
points
and
we'll
be
happy
to
cover
any
questions
for
things
not
covered
in
the
presentation.
AL
AL
The
city
purchased
the
boulder
community
health
or
bch
property
in
2015.
Since
then,
the
city
has
accomplished
multiple
planning
efforts
and
other
milestones,
including
the
vision
plan
in
2017,
the
Brittain
renovation
in
2018
and
the
BCH
move
out
an
area
plan
acceptance
in
2019.
The
next
phase
is
the
implementation
of
the
area
plan,
and
the
purpose
of
this
phase
is
to
realize
the
vision
for
Alpine
balsam
in
alignment
with
the
boulder
valley,
comp
plan
or
the
B
vcp
and
the
area
plan.
AM
AL
The
area
plan
includes
a
very
colorful
map,
that's
also
in
your
memo
packet
I'm,
going
to
walk
us
briefly
through
the
map
as
a
means
of
explaining
both
what's
in
the
area
plan
and
how
we're
implementing
it.
As
a
reminder,
the
land-use
changes
for
nearby
areas,
weren't
included
in
the
final
plan
and
hasn't
been
included
in
the
2020
work
plan.
We
think
that
moving
through
the
analysis
and
lessons
on
the
city
on
site
will
prepare
us
for
revisiting
the
full
area
plan.
Post-2020.
AL
AL
The
western
parcel
is
identified
as
high
density,
residential,
one
or
HDR
one,
which
translates
to
two
or
three
story:
town
homes
or
apartments.
The
north
central
block
will
be
HDR
2
and
is
envisioned
as
three-story
apartment
type
building.
That
includes
significant
open
space
and
a
welcoming
ground-level
activation.
AL
Finally,
the
southern
central
block
was
adopted
in
the
area
plan
as
a
flex
use
either
as
residential
or
county
office
space
on
the
next
slide,
I'll
discuss
more
details
on
the
city
county
working
group
and
describe
the
group's
recommendation
that
the
criteria
of
county
office
space
here
cannot
be
met.
The
City
Council
agrees
with
this
recommendation.
The
next
step
will
be
to
follow
the
area
plans
designation
for
this
parcel,
as
HDR
3
likely
to
be
four-story,
mid
rise
apartment
building,
with
substantial
amount
of
meaningful
and
usable
open
space
at
grade.
AL
These
residential
parcels
are
envisioned
to
house
a
house,
a
variety
of
income
levels,
rental
and
ownership
units
and
potentially
permanently
supportive
housing
to
further
the
city's
affordable
housing
goals.
Developing
housing
is
a
multi-year
process.
We
are
beginning
with
physical
and
financial
testing
to
understand
feasibility
and
potential
options
that
are
available,
as
well
as
evaluating
the
delivery
options
that
may
lead
us
to
use
a
master
development
approach,
like
we've
done
in
the
past,
at
the
Holliday
neighborhood
and
Boulder
Junction.
AL
The
results
of
this
analysis
told
us
that,
in
a
best-case
scenario,
while
adding
a
level
of
parking
to
the
existing
structure
and
including
a
ground-floor
parking
level
to
the
County
Building,
the
county
likely
could
only
achieve
55%
of
their
square
footage
needs.
The
working
group
decided
to
recommend
that,
for
these
reasons,
the
criteria
for
relocating
county
facilities
could
not
be
met.
The
communication
and
attachment
a
of
your
memo
packet
also
recommended
future
collaboration
to
reconvene
a
working
group
to
guide
community
process
at
a
future
time,
depending
on
the
county's
progress.
AL
The
southeastern
parcel
of
the
main
block
is
where
the
current
medical
office
Pavilion
is
located
on
the
corner
of
alpine
and
Broadway.
This
will
be
the
future
home
of
consolidated
city
services
and
will
add
to
the
recently
renovated
Brinton
building
to
create
what
we've
been
calling
the
city's
western
campus.
That
includes
a
welcoming,
Plaza
and
open
space.
The
design
process
for
the
pavilion
will
begin
in
2020,
followed
by
site,
review
and
permitting
and
is
anticipated
that
construction
will
begin
22
with
occupancy
in
2020
for.
AL
The
affordable
housing
and
city
office
that
fulfill
the
vision
of
the
area
plan
are
supported
by
other
urban
design
and
public
infrastructure,
including
the
functional
and
aesthetic
Greenway
that
will
serve
as
flood
mitigation
for
the
side
along
balsam
dedicated
open
space
for
linear
parks,
including
areas,
a
mobility
hub,
new
pedestrian
connections
and
the
existing
shared
parking
structure
on
the
corner
of
alpine
and
Broadway.
Some
of
the
public
infrastructure,
such
as
linear
parks,
the
mobility
hub
and
utilities
and
transportation
connections
will
be
designed
further
in
the
process
once
we've
identified
a
housing
development
partner.
AL
In
the
meantime,
engineering,
the
flood
mitigation
solution
is
occurring
in
2020
to
prepare
for
a
conditional
letter
of
map
revision
or
a
clamor,
which
gives
us
permission
from
FEMA
to
construct
the
Greenway
and
will
ultimately
lead
to
revising
the
floodplain
through
a
letter
of
map,
revision
or
a
Loomer.
This
is
a
multi-year
process
that
is
essential
both
to
use
federal
funding
for
the
affordable
housing
development,
as
well
as
remove
the
pavilion
from
the
100-year
floodplain.
AL
The
area
plan
identifies
changes
to
land
use
and
Zoning
for
the
site.
These
changes
will
occur
during
the
mid
term.
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan
update
this
year
ahead
of
development,
we'd
like
to
identify
ways
to
implement
the
area,
plans,
access
and
mobility
goals
and
included
in
this
effort
is
the
exploration
of
a
general
Improvement
District,
similar
to
the
Boulder
Junction
model
to
fund
future
transportation,
demand
management
and
parking
costs.
AL
The
city
has
already
accomplished
energy
goals
on
the
site,
with
the
renovation
of
the
Britton
building
to
be
a
near
net,
zero
building
and
the
preservation
of
concrete
structures
such
as
the
pavilion
that
represent
more
than
40%
of
the
total
square
footage
on
the
site
and
the
most
embodied
energy.
Continuing
this
work
staff
will
be
evaluating
energy,
specific
development
goals
and
exploring
creative
and
advantageous
solutions
that
further
the
city's
climate
commitment.
AL
I've
included
this
high-level
summary
of
the
timeline
in
your
memo
packet.
All
project
activities
are
either
underway
or
beginning
in
2020
and
we're
at
the
beginning
stages
of
a
multi-year
implementation
process.
As
this
project
moves
forward,
we
will
be
keeping
a
close
eye
on
the
interrelated
nature
of
different
activities.
As
you
can
see,
the
red
arrows
represent
some
examples
of
how
interrelated
this
project
is
and
indicates
the
importance
of
timely
decision-making.
This
is
an
area
we'll
be
discussing
more
with
Council,
as
decisions
are
ready
to
be
made.
AL
City
Council
will
continue
to
be
updated
and
included
in
the
implementation
of
Alpine
balsam.
We
intend
to
include
funding
to
request
in
the
2021
budget
development
and
the
City
Council
will
be
involved
in
key
policy
decisions
for
the
housing
and
overall
site
redevelopment.
In
addition,
the
community
will
be
updated
on
the
progress
of
the
site
and
can
sign
up
for
Alpine
balsam
newsletter
on
our
city's
website.
There
will
be
opportunities
for
the
community
to
be
involved
in
the
site's
implementation,
and
we
are
currently
evaluating
a
plan
for
valuable
engagement.
AL
G
Z
Sure
I,
just
so
folks
know
who
the
working
group
words
of
wise
were
initially
was
Sam
I
and
then,
after
Sam
took
on
the
mayor
role,
mark
Wallach
stepped
into
his
position.
We,
as
you
can
probably
observe
we
move
pretty
quickly.
Here
we
only
convened
in
November,
and
here
we
are
in
January,
with
our
recommendations.
There's
a
reason
for
that,
and
that
is
when
we
sat
down
with
elise
jones,
who
represent
represented
the
county
in
this
day
from
from
both
city
and
county.
Z
First
of
all,
we
set
forth
the
respective
parties
criteria,
which
were
not
misaligned.
I
think
the
county
had
some
requirements.
We
had
some
requirements,
but
they
were
more
or
less
overlapped.
One
things
we
agreed
that
we
would
do
is
we
would
identify
if
there
was
a
showstopper
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
and
so
we
wanted
to
identify
those
things
which
we
thought
were
going
to
be
potentially
most
problematic
first
and
we
identified,
as
it
turns
out
correctly,
that
probably
the
most
problematic
challenge
was
going
to
be
parking.
Z
We
if
we
had
somehow
found
a
solution
to
parking,
we
had
a
lot
more
work
to
do,
and
there
were
probably
a
lot
of
other
hurdles
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
get
over
as
well.
But
we
never
got
there
because
when
we
hit
the
wall
on
parking,
that
kind
of
ended
your
discussion
pretty
quickly,
it
wasn't
through
lack
of
trying
or
creativity.
Chris
agaln
and
other
people
worked
really
really
hard
to
try
to
figure
out
how
you
could
make
400
plus
400
equal
four
hundred
to
a
math
problem.
Z
The
city
needs
about
400
parking
spaces
for
its
employees
and
customers.
The
county
needs
a
needed
about
400
for
its
employees,
and
customers.
I
mean
the
parking
garage.
Even
if
we
added
the
deck
was
not
going
to
accommodate
more
than
about
400.
We
looked
at
all
sorts
of
ways
to
part
people
in
the
neighborhood
TDM
transit
passes,
I
mean
we
actually
had
some
crisp,
some
pretty
bizarre
ideas,
because
we
didn't
come
back
and
say
boy,
you
didn't
try
hard
enough.
Z
You
gave
up
too
soon,
but
we
simply
couldn't
make
the
math
work,
and
so
we
we
were
making
this
recommendation
to
you
now
that
we
not
try
to
accommodate
the
county.
On-Site
I
will
also
just
editorialize
that
the
process
was
very
positive.
It
was
very
constructive.
I,
don't
think
the
county
feels
badly
I
think
the
kind
of
feels
that
we
gave
them
a
fair
shake.
We
tried
to
do
what
we
could
to
accommodate
them
and
now
they're,
considering
what
their
options
are,
whether
they
stay
at
iris
and
Broadway,
or
whether
they
look
at
another
property.
Z
G
G
V
AL
A
great
question:
we're
kicking
off
an
analysis
right
now,
that'll
tell
us
more
about
what's
financially
feasible,
we
expect
to
know
the
results
of
that
in
the
middle
middle
of
the
year,
so
we
don't
have
percentages.
Yet
the
land
use
gives
us
a
good
idea
of
what
densities
possible
and
now
we're
testing
that
against
financing.
V
AL
Equates
to
about
four
city
buildings,
including
Park,
Central
and
Britain,
which
are
directly
across
the
creek
from
here,
in
addition
to
one
city,
building
that
we
currently
lease
and
it's
an
expensive
lease
in
addition
to
one
of
us,
our
smaller
buildings,
I,
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head:
the
percentage
of
city
staff
but
I
believe
it's
around
350
or
400
staff
consolidated.
How.
V
AL
AN
Good
evening
Council
Michelle
crane
Amanda
said
so
we
have
some
different
thoughts
and
what
the
fence
could
do.
But
one
agreement
we
came
to
with
the
artists
is
that
there
may
be
opportunities
to
take
that
piece
of
the
fence
and
use
it
on-site
and
kind
of
memorialize
it
in
different
ways.
So
we
do
hope
to
keep
using
that
on
site
and
one
other
just
quick
clarification
on
the
number
of
staff
of
the
staff
being
consolidated.
AN
G
AK
A
couple
questions
some
might
be
in
the
weeds
and
some
might
not
even
be
up
yet,
but
on
the
western
and
the
northern
central
sections
that
you
showed
on
the
map.
When
the
old
council
was
in
office,
we
talked
very
seriously
about
wanting
pitched
roofs,
but
everything
that
you
were
showing
there
as
square
boxes
as
usual,
so
I'm
wondering
and
again
I
get
that
this
can
be
in
the
weeds,
but
it's
concerning
when
we
talked
about
it
so
in
depth
and
we're
still
seeing
square
boxes.
AK
AL
G
AO
AK
And
then
the
next
thing-
and
this
was
just
after
speaking
with
a
colleague
on
council-
so
now
that
we
won't
be
having
County
staff.
That
means
that
we
have
that,
or
is
it
that
flux
use
I
heard
like
90
units
on
a
one
acre
lot,
many
people
emails
coming
to
us
over
that.
So
where
are
we
on?
That
I
mean
what
are
we
looking
at
density,
wise.
AL
X
The
the
area
plan
that
we
adopted
have
had
the
county
option
or
had
the
housing
option,
but
the
housing
option
does
give
a
like
a
maximum
height
to
the
buildings.
Right
so
I
mean
they're,
there
is
their
their
physical
Maxim's,
I,
think
in
the
area
plan
and
and
and
so
we'll
have
to
comply
with
those
and
then
you'll
go
off
and
analyze
sort
of
what
fits
correct.
That
right,
correct.
Thank
you.
Mark.
AC
AP
For
now
we're
director
of
housing,
Human
Services,
so
I'll
try
to
answer.
Maybe
a
part
of
this
others
may
have
to
jump
in
so
I
think
the
analysis
that
Chris
was
talking
about
we'll
look
at
different
densities,
different
tenure
types
and
figure
out
which
what
the
the
yield
could
be,
which
will
also
impact
the
financial
impact
of
how
the
site
balances
and
those
will
be
presented
to
Council
and
you'll
have
choices
that
you'll
be
able
to
make.
AP
One
choice
would
be
the
part
of
the
land
or
the
land
is
free
to
certain
parts
of
development
to
get
further
affordable
housing.
The
other
is
to
sell
it
for
X,
and
you
know,
you'll
get
Y
number
of
units
of
for
sale
and
those
there'll
be
a
number
of
factors
that
will
be
presented
to
us
Council,
which
so
different
financial
outcomes
based
on
different
housing
outcomes.
Thank
you.
Yep.
AP
G
Anyone
else
just
to
remind
us
the
question,
was
feedback
on
scope,
schedule
or
process,
so
you
may
have
any
questions
on
those
okay,
well,
I!
Guess
that
kind
of
wraps
it
up.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
the
update,
it's
great,
that
we
kind
of
have
clarity
now
on
how
I'm
moving
forward
with
all
of
the
different
parcels
and
look
forward
to
hearing
what
your
analysis
shows
on
that
parcel.
Thank
you.
X
X
So
particularly,
if
we're
gonna
consider
selling
pieces
of
it,
we
might
have
a
form
based
code
is
set
up
to
help
prescribe
what
that
might
look
like
say,
for
example,
with
pitch
throughs
and
beautiful
european-style
buildings,
and
then
just
the
other
one
that
just
making
sure
there's
been
some
great
ideas
in
the
community
from
really
multiple
sources
about
increasing
the
percentage
of
affordable
buying,
including
substantial
middle-income,
affordable
housing.
So
I'd
love
to
make
sure
that
that
gets
in
the
analysis
and
see
some
analysis
is
the
housing
program
do
how
that
might
work
out.
H
AA
G
X
What
dates
might
work
out
best
so
interested
in
getting
met
and
I
do
understand.
We've
talked
about
this
before
the
incremental
financial
cost
is
low
and
if
I
understand
it
and
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
service
providers,
so
I
see
in
the
audience
guys
that
the
they're
kind
of
logistically
set
up
to
provide
services
every
night,
if
necessary
throughout
these
kind
of
coldest
months.
So
it
seems
like
from
a
practical
standpoint,
it's
pretty
doable
so.
X
Z
Little
bit
and
just
to
be
clear
that
an
errand
once
those
days,
those
beginning
that
beginning
date
and
end
date
would
be
established,
will
hear
from
courier
in
a
second.
What
you
proposes
on
the
shoulder
of
those
dates,
whatever
those
are,
we
would
still
use
the
weather
triggers.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct
thanks
for
clarifying
that
mom.
AP
AP
If
you
remember,
we
change
the
the
weather
trigger
in
in
in
in
mid-year
the
year
before,
so
we
basically
have
part
of
one
year
and
part
of
another
year
as
a
full
season.
So
if
you,
if
you
looked
at
a
trigger
of
when
when
is
the
server
where
the
shelter
will
open
more
than
half
the
time,
if
we
looked
at
that
year,
that
starts
in
this
past
year.
This
starts
at
that
starts.
AP
So
again
this
is
one
year,
so
it's
hard
to
draw
conclusions
off
of
one
year.
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
bridge
I'm,
sorry
boho.
When
they
ran
this
program
years
ago,
they
they
moved
to
this
same
direction,
that
you're
looking
at
tonight
and
they
went
from
the
middle
of
November
to
the
middle
of
March.
I.
Think
they
from
what
I
understand
they
did
that
for
two
reasons.
X
AP
AP
AH
X
AP
G
Z
X
AP
The
incremental
cost
from
going
where
we
are
now
to
that
is
not
much
initially.
I
was
thinking
it
was
30
or
40,000,
but
it's
not
that
much,
partly
because
in
the
beginning
of
the
season
they
weren't
using
it
as
much
as
we
expected
so
I,
don't
think
the
costs
compared
to
what
we
have
in
the
budget.
The
costs
are
not
anything
that
would
be
of
an
impact.
G
H
Thanks
for
all
that,
Curt,
my
understanding
from
speaking
with
some
some
providers
and
also
some
UN
staff,
is
that
there's
concern
that
if
we
open
the
severe
weather
shelter
all
winter,
there
will
be
maybe
a
decline
and
incentive
to
use
coordinated
entry
and
and
to
sort
of
follow
into
the
housing
first
models.
So
one
thought
I
have
is:
can
we
consider
this
a
pilot
for
the
rest
of
this
year
and
gather
some
data
on?
AP
I
think
that's
an
important
point.
The
other
thing
that
we've
been
discussing
is
you
know
at
a
very
initial
stage
within
our
executive
team
is
or
the
county
team
is
whether
we
there's
some
sort
of
trigger
to
the
housing
focused
shelter.
So
you
know
people
stay
at
the
severe
weather,
shelter
for
so
many
days,
they've
been
part
of
our
community.
For
you
know
five
years
they
really
should
be
in
housing
focus
shelter.
Is
there
some
way
to
put
a
time
frame
on
the
severe
weather,
shelter
for
those
as
well?
Z
Along
those
lines,
I
know
that
this
will
be
the
last
year
that
Bridge
House
will
be
providing
the
severe
weather,
shelter
and
you've
got
some
options
that
you
can
laid
out
for
us
a
few
weeks
ago.
So
I
assume
that,
as
part
of
this
analysis
is
experiment,
as
Rachel
said,
to
keep
the
shelter
open
during
the
month
of
January,
February
and
March
you'll
be
looking
at
our
new
weather,
shelter
provider
or
where
that
is
located,
and
and
that
information
will
be
fed
into
the
analysis
as
you
get
ready
for
the
2020
2021
season.
AP
AK
AK
AP
AP
I
think
there's
a
good
communication
plan
has
been
implemented
by
bridge
house
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Talking
about
the
capacity
that
we
do
have
for
programs,
I
think
that's,
that's
certainly
been
pretty
effective
and
I
think
the
increased
effort
that
we'll
have
for
both
diversion
and
navigation
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
additional
resources
that
we
can
put
towards
that.
You
know
and
that's
been
very
successful
as
well
with
the
work
of
the
path
to
home
navigation
at
Bridge
house.
AP
Y
So,
in
a
conversation
that
you
and
I
had
you
mentioned
to
me
that
you
had
found
that
other
communities
were
you
bring
up
people
to
Boulder
from
as
far
as
Colorado
Springs
I
think
you
said
yes,
so
is
that
something
that
we
can
keep
data
on
to
Rachael's
point
about
keeping
data
and
making
sure
that
it's
not
putting
our
housing
first
program
in
jeopardy?
So
can
we
keep
data
on
that
and
and
how
prevalent
is
that
situation
I?
Would.
AP
Yes,
certainly
more
come
from
Denver,
but
that
is
something
that
we
want
to
start
collecting
data
on.
There
was
some
data
collected
on
it,
but
it
wasn't
done
in
a
way
that
was
I
would
say
reliable
in
the
same
way.
I
bet
our
other
data
is
so
we
do
need
to
pay
more
attention
to
that
and
we
have
started
a
process
of
reaching
out
to
those
places
that
have
referred
people
to
Boulder.
G
Okay,
thank
you
curtain.
Anyone
else
comments,
questions
okay,
then
I'll
weigh
in
you
know.
Last
year,
I
was
in
favor
of
raising
the
temperature
threshold
and
this
year
I'm
also
going
to
support
keeping
severe
weather,
shelter
open
all
year,
I
believe
because
it's
an
incremental
number,
all
winter,
sorry
yeah
in
the
coldest
months
of
the
winter,
because
I
think
we
don't
want
people
exposed
to
the
threat
of
hypothermia
and
frostbite
on
our
streets,
and
so
that's
the
reason
to
do
this.
G
We
have
to
be
careful
that
it
doesn't
detract
from
the
housing
focus,
shelter
work
because
we
placed
a
record
number
of
people
from
homelessness
into
housing
this
year.
We
should
celebrate
that
it's
not
enough,
but
it
is
taking
the
folks
who
are
chronically
homeless
in
Boulder
and
getting
them
into
permanent
shelter
and
the
housing
is
the
solution
to
homelessness.
So,
whatever
we
do
with
making
sure
that
people
don't
become
harmed
on
our
streets
through
this
shelter
program,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
focused
on
the
people
who
are
long-term
homeless.
In
Boulder.
G
We
have
seen
from
my
data
that
there
is
a
large
contingent
of
folks
who
use
this,
who
have
been
here
less
than
six
months
and
that's
okay.
We
want
to
keep
them
from
harm
as
well,
but
those
folks
may
or
may
not
stay
on
longer,
and
so
our
focus
has
to
be
on
getting
people
in
the
housing.
That's
the
ultimate
solution,
I
think
we've
been
doing
that,
and
so
the
only
thing
that
concerns
me
with
keeping
severe
weather,
shelter,
open
and
the
coldest
months
of
the
year
every
day
is
the
magnet
effect.
G
If
it's
real,
we
because
it
drains
our
resources.
But,
more
importantly,
we
don't
want
to
detract
from
the
ability
to
put
people
in
the
housing.
So
that
is
the
only
thing.
I
want
the
data
to
help
guide
us
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
do
other
than
that
I'm
in
support
of
what
Aaron's
brought
forward
and
so
Aaron
just
to
put
a
fine
point
on
this.
We're
talking
about
now
your
proposals
now
until
the
end
of
March
yeah.
X
That's
right,
well
and
and
specifically
so,
to
keep
severe
weather
shelter
open
nightly
through
the
end
of
March
this
year
and
then
to
incorporate
in
our
planning
for
the
next
version
of
severe
weather,
shelter
next
season
dates
of
November
15th
to
the
end
of
March,
subject
to
analysis
on
how
it
worked
for
the
the
rest
of
this
season
and
other
ideas.
People
have,
from
a
policy
perspective
to
be
determined
later
great,
so.
G
G
G
G
X
M
AQ
Good
evening
I'm
Isabel
McDevitt
I'm,
the
CEO
of
bridge
house,
just
a
couple
remarks
and
words
about
what
we've
been
up
to
and
your
decision
tonight
you
know
with
the
continuum
of
services
as
it
is.
The
goal
is
to
engage
people
for
a
housing
exit
and
I
can't
stress
enough
that
the
work
that
we
have
done
as
a
community
as
a
collaborative
and
as
individual
service
providers.
AQ
It
has
been
especially
important
because
we
often
talk
about
needing
more
vouchers
needing
more
units,
but
I
think
what
we've
also
been
able
to
do
by
engaging
people
early
and
learning
about
their
needs
early
through
coordinated
entry
and
with
the
navigation
program,
as
we've
been
able
to
be
a
lot
more
creative
and
solution
oriented
than
ever
before.
The
night
someone
walks
in
for
shelter,
we
should
be
talking
about.
What's
their
exit,
shelter
is
not
a
solution
unto
itself.
AQ
We
have
a
tremendous
opportunity
there
and
we
should
be
doing
everything
we
can
to
be
out
reaching
those
folks
in
that
environment
and
again,
balancing
the
need
for
life-saving
services,
whether
that's
meals
or
shelter,
but
also
with
the
intent
to
engage
people
for
their
future
and
to
make
sure
that
there's
movement
in
our
system.
We
cannot
sustain
every
person
experiencing
homelessness
in
a
shelter
model
and
can't
house
and
everyone
in
a
tidy
unit.
AQ
AQ
G
AQ
I
think
the
the
challenge
that
we've
always
faced
with
severe
weather,
shelter,
which
the
stated
purpose
is
to
save,
lives
right
and
then
the
continuum
of
services,
starting
with
coordinated
entry,
is
really
designed
to
get
people.
You
know
engaged
with
services,
there's
always
been
a
bit
of
a
disconnect.
AQ
Just
think.
It's
important
to
note
that
while
we
had
the
aspirations
initially
that
you
know
severe
weather
shelter
was
then
you'd
go
to
coordinated
entry
and
then
you'd
be
on
your
way.
That
truly
hasn't
happened,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
just
because
the
programs
and
the
intent
of
the
programs
hasn't
hasn't
been
the
same.
AQ
G
AQ
It's
happened
for
some
I
mean
you
mentioned
record-setting
year.
You
know
the
shelter
did
have
a
record-setting
year.
You
know
path
to
home,
also
place
344
people
into
housing.
You
know
that
would
not
doubt
your
housing,
mostly,
you
know
self
resolving
in
terms
of
finding
family
members.
You
know
market
rate
housing
other,
you
know
other.
You
know
transitional
living,
but
I
think
the
idea
of
moving
folks
into
housing.
AQ
You
know
we
can
do
it,
but
we
won't
be
able
to
meet
the
needs
of
everyone
unless
we're
listening
to
what
they're
telling
us
their
needs
are
and
and
I
think
there
is
a
group
of
people
and
the
hot
team
will
tell
you.
The
Municipal
Court
will
tell
you
that
we
haven't
quite
identified
really
what
the
right
fit
is
going
to
be
and
I
think
we
just
have
to
keep
pushing
ourselves
to
continue
to
do
that.
I
So
I'm
just
curious
if
there
is,
even
though
this
is
not
a
component
of
the
motion
on
the
table,
some
way
of
dealing
with
those
particular
issues-
the
mental
health
and
drug
addictions
that
doesn't
involve
just
dumping,
this
on
the
police
and
so
I.
Don't
know
what
happens
here
in
Boulder
with
those
conversations
I'm
under
the
impression
that
the
federal
government
has
become
less
involved
and
providing
mental
health
services
and
drug
treatment
and
so
I'm
just
very
curious.
If
anybody
can
speak
to
how
those
issues
are
dealt
with,
Thanks.
G
G
G
So
it's
unanimous
and
the
motion
carries,
and
so
we
will
keep
severe
weather
shelter
open
until
March
31st,
Thank
You
Erin
for
bringing
it
forward,
and
we
look
forward
to
the
data
and
thank
you
for
being
accommodating
to
the
request.
Curt
Thank
You
Isabel
for
coming
out
and
for
helping
us
operate
the
shelter
so
appreciate
it
very
much.
G
Okay,
so
I've
got
a
few
I'm,
just
gonna
set
what
I
think
we
came
away
from
the
retreat
with
and
make
sure
we
say
it
again,
and
we
make
sure
that
everyone's
had
nods,
that
we
are
all
in
agreement
on
this.
There
were
some
other
services
proposed.
For
example,
a
campground
or
people
could
set
up
tents,
a
parking
area
where
people
could
park
and
and
stay
in
their
vehicles
overnight.
G
There
are
others,
and
we
agreed
that
we
would
have
a
study
session
at
which
we
would
collect
these
ideas
together,
bounce
them
off
of
Curt,
and
perhaps
if
it's
the
will
of
council
surface
the
one
or
two
for
analysis
that
come
to
the
top.
Is
that
what
we
agreed
on
at
the
retreat?
If
something
else,
please
tell
me,
I've
seen
mostly
nods.
Quizzical
look
from
Rachel
I.
H
G
V
G
H
G
And
then,
following
that,
there's
gonna
be
a
discussion
in
q3
and
that
discussion
in
q3
is
gonna,
be
I,
think
mostly
to
set
us
up
for
the
coming
season
and
then
to
discuss
feedback
on
the
ideas
that
are
brought
forward
in
the
April
study
session.
Curtin
seems
to
be
nodding.
So
that's
setting
us
up
for
a
couple
of
different
steps
to
be
able
to
flesh
out
the
things
that
go
beyond
the
severe
weather
shelter
for
this
year,
and
so
with
that
said,
I
I
guess
I
would
invite
Council
to
see.
G
V
I
just
wanted
to
reassert
that
this
is
very
much.
What
we
did
tonight
is
just
the
floor
of
things
that
need
doing
that.
This
is
a
very
broad
and
deep
issue,
and
it's
gonna
take
a
very,
very
comprehensive
set
of
different
things
to
address
it
in
the
way
that
it
needs
to
be
addressed-
and
this
is
very
very
very
just
the
beginning.
V
G
X
It
just
it
would
be
great
if
staff
can
do
some
initial
analysis
on
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
talked
about
ahead
of
that
April
study
session.
So
that's
doable
Kurt.
So
because,
then
you
know,
Adam
and
Rachel
put
together
a
few
thoughts
and
we
can
bring
additional
thoughts.
We
can
have
a
discussion
but
be
great
together.
Some
initial
information
that
point
not
start
from
zero
at
that
I'm
that
state
session
I
didn't.
H
Mean
to
rush
you
I
wanted
to
thank
Aaron
for
making
this
motion
and
bringing
this
up
again
this
year
as
well
as
last
year.
Thank
you
and
obviously
it
is
our
number
one
duty,
I
think
to
protect
lives
and
focus
on
health
and
safety.
So
I
think
this
was
a
good
step
today
and
I
think
I
walked
away
from
there
treat
a
little
bit
confused
sorry
to
bring
up
another
quagmire,
but
about
the
tent
encampments
in
our
direction.
H
I
had
I
had
asked
a
question
that
didn't
get
answered,
I
think
by
the
interim
police
chief,
which
was
what
happens
to
the
people
after
we
after
we
ticket
and
remove
the
tents
I
understand
now.
We've
got
severe
weather
shelter
open
for
this
year,
but
it's
gonna
be
an
issue
again
when
severe
weather
closes
and
I
think
when
we
haven't
looked
at
the
holistic
options
and
don't
have
them
in
place,
I
wanted
to
make
it
clear.
I
did
not
vote
YES
for
that.
H
Just
that
I
have
concerns
that
people
who
are
camping
in
tents
and
I
completely
understand
the
community
concerns
and
I'm,
not
saying
those
are
invalid,
but
we
haven't
given
another
option,
especially
after
March
15th,
if
it's
39
degrees
out
so
37
degrees.
Forget
the
temperatures
anyhow,
just
I
think
that's
still
a
looming
question
and
I
have
concerns
about
it
and
again.
I
think
people
who
are
are
camping
out
are
there
because
well
for
a
host
of
reasons.
So
I
just
don't
want
to
not
perform.
AA
Our
number
one
duty
of
call
so
Curtis
is
gonna,
come
up
and
address
that
and
while
he's
coming
up,
I'm
gonna
say
that
the
police
chief
doesn't
know
what
happens
to
those
folks
of
course,
and
so
we
will
service
available
for
people
and,
as
we
indicated
at
the
retreat,
we
would
spend
extra
time
before
removing
the
encampments
to
provide
them
many
opportunities
to
interact
with
social
service
providers,
but
Kurt.
You
may
supplement
my
answer.
Please.
Yes,.
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V
G
Other
questions
for
Kurt,
okay,
Thank,
You,
Kurt,
I,
guess
I'll.
Make
one
comment
to
your
point
about
you
know
what
happens.
The
the
severe
weather
shelter
is
not
like
in
a
vacuum
right.
It's
at
the
30th
Street
facility
and
conversations
I've
had
with
people
at
the
bridge
house.
They
definitely
make
an
attempt
to
engage
as
people
are
packing
up
to
go
out
for
the
day
and
grabbing
food
and
so
on.
There's
always
an
invitation
to
come
in
to
coordinating
entry
or
navigation
services.
So
there's
there's
another
advantage
to
having
those
things
co-located
is.
G
There
is
an
attempt
to
engage,
can't
force
people
to
do
whatever
they
don't
want
to
do,
but
that
at
least
is
an
is
one
more
opportunity
every
time
that
they
do
go
into
severe
weather
shelter.
So
I'm
think
we
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
think
about
how
it's
gonna
function
next
year,
because
that
opportunity
to
engage
was
something
I.
Think
we're
going
to
keep
alive.
G
G
V
Well,
Sam
I
actually
saw
something
that
was
just
in
the
additional
materials
about
radon
yeah.
Just
since
we
didn't
say
anything
tonight
about
it,
I
think
it's
worth
saying.
If
you
don't
have
a
radon
detector
and
you
live
in
Colorado,
you
should
have
one
and
get
that
checked
out
immediately
and
it
is
hard
to
mitigate
in
multifamily
units
because
their
multifamily
units
so
make
sure
you
open
your
windows.
If
you
live
in
a
multi-family
unit,
that's
actually
what
I
have
to
do
every
night,
so
yeah.
G
Well,
test
for
radon
I
mean
that's
what
that
radon.
The
awareness
thing
was:
there's
there's
it
comes
up
every
year,
because
Colorado
has
one
of
the
highest
prevalences
of
radon
in
homes
of
any
state
in
the
country
because
of
our
hard
rock
geology.
So
that's
great
Thank
You
Adam
for
that
anyone
else,
anything
else.
Okay,
great.
What
that
word
turned
at
9:17.
R
Parris,
oh
my
god,.