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A
B
Good
evening,
Council
Yvette
Bowden
I'm,
the
director
of
community
vitality.
Tonight
we're
going
to
be
going
through
an
overview.
I
just
want
to
set
some
context
so
for
the
benefit
of
everybody
in
the
audience
and
watching
as
well
as
newark
council
members.
We
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
the
project
site
that
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight
is
proposed
at
the
northern
end
of
the
hill
commercial
area,
along
Broadway
between
University
and
Pleasant.
B
The
project
is
potentially
is
owned
by
three
private
amenities:
I'm
innocent
E's
I'm,
sorry,
all
of
who
planned
to
ground
lease
their
properties
into
this
one
project
proposed
as
a
hill
hotel.
In
addition,
the
council's
role
here
is
as
the
you
jid
board,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
a
you,
Janome
property
on
the
site,
which
is
the
pleasant
street
parking
lot.
B
So
by
way
of
overview,
we're
gonna
be
introducing
you
a
couple.
Members
of
the
team
who
are
here
this
evening
will
talk
about
the
project
intent
and
will
show
a
little
video
to
it.
Just
as
a
recap,
we
review
the
information
provided
since
the
last
council
presentation
and
then,
of
course
offer
the
questions.
B
Staff
on
this
project
has
evolved
over
time,
but
has
always
had
great
representation
from
David
Year
from
City
Attorney's
Office
members
of
the
community,
vitality
department
and
finance
department.
Joel
Wagner
is
here
this
evening.
We
have
also
got
representation
in
the
room
from
the
Nichols
partnership.
Don't
know
that
we
have
somebody
here
from
Sage
hospitality
this
evening,
but
they
are
part
of
the
project
team
and
of
sheers
Atkins
Roquemore
architects.
C
He
was
founded
at
the
end
of
the
19th
century,
gradually
shops
and
restaurants
were
added
to
the
ground
floor
of
the
houses,
and
today
the
district
remains
largely
the
same,
roughly
one-tenth
the
size
of
downtown
Boulder.
Over
time,
the
hill
became
a
destination
for
music
dancing
and
entertainment,
its
vibrancy
attracted
customers
from
throughout
the
region.
This
tradition
continues
today
with
the
presence
of
the
Fox
Theater,
the
albums
on
the
hill
record
store
and
the
Innisfree
poetry
bookstore
in
cafe,
but
change
is
inevitable.
C
In
shifting
consumer
behaviors
contributed
to
the
hill
becoming
a
destination
mostly
for
students
in
other
areas
of
the
city,
reinvestment
efforts,
reimagined,
storefronts
and
Street
scapes
to
meet
customers,
evolving
needs
plans
were
drafted
to
reposition
the
hill,
but
the
district's
small
size
and
limited
funding
have
always
presented
a
barrier
to
revitalization
by
2014,
one-third
of
Hill
businesses
had
transitioned
to
fast-food
the
district
had
more
barber
tattoo
and
head
shops
than
retail
stores.
That
year,
the
City
Council
made
it
a
priority
to
revitalize
the
Hill
Council
commission
to
study
that
identified
key
next
steps.
C
First
address
the
perception
of
insufficient
parking.
Second,
update
and
beautify
its
most
rundown
areas
and
third
leverage,
five
underutilized
catalyst
sites
to
attract
uses
that
bring
customers
to
the
district
when
the
students
are
away
in
2015,
the
city
was
approached
by
a
team
from
Denver,
with
an
idea
for
achieving
all
three
next
steps.
C
The
team
had
agreements
with
owners
of
three
properties
located
next
to
a
public
parking
lot
at
the
north
end
of
the
hill,
the
Pleasant
Street
law
is
owned
by
the
University
Hill
general
Improvement
District,
and
the
Boulder
City
Council
is
its
board
of
directors.
The
team
wanted.
If
the
city
would
like
to
partner
to
build
a
public
parking
garage
beneath
all
four
properties
above
the
garage
would
be
a
hotel
with
ground-floor
retail.
All
property
owners
would
retain
ownership,
aging
properties
would
be
improved.
C
The
number
of
parking
spaces
on
site
would
quadruple
in
the
hotel
would
bring
much-needed
year-round
customers
to
the
hill
in
2016,
the
City
Council
formally
authorized
staff
to
explore
the
idea
further.
Since
then,
efforts
of
the
hotel
team
and
the
city
have
focused
on
the
needs
of
existing
retailers,
matching
the
project,
design
to
neighborhood
scale,
limiting
or
eliminating
City
investment
and,
most
importantly,
ensuring
that
the
project
was
successfully
contributed
to
Hill
revitalization.
C
The
city
conducted
outreach
to
tenants
in
English
Nepalese,
vanish
and
Vietnamese
to
ensure
they
were
aware
of
the
proposal
and
to
determine
their
location
needs.
If
the
project
moves
forward,
there
have
been
three
public
presentations
of
the
evolving
proposal
in
six
updates
to
City
Council
and
councils
request
studies,
looked
a
current
use
of
the
Pleasant
street
parking
lot,
the
project's
likely
impacts
on
district
parking
supply
and
whether
a
hotel
would
have
a
positive
impact
on
district
vitality.
C
Most
significantly,
the
outrage
has
resulted
in
the
elimination
of
the
public
parking
garage
and
the
city
participation
has
been
reduced
to
selling
the
Pleasant
Street
law
at
market
value.
The
hotel
team
agreed
to
support
the
relocation
of
existing
tenants,
a
transportation
demand
management
even
pulled
her
website.
B
A
larger
printout
of
this
video
is
provided
as
well
as
a
QR
code.
Should
people
want
to
access
it
later?
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
turn
over
the
presentation
to
one
of
the
project
managers,
Sarah
women
think
I'm
community
vitality,
who
will
walk
us
through
additional
information
provided
in
your
packet.
D
D
These
scenarios
yielded
anywhere
from
seven
to
forty,
affordable
units,
the
high
land
value
high
probability
of
needing
underground
parking
and
the
relatively
low
number
of
units
rendered
the
site
cost
prohibitive
and
staffs
opinion
for
the
same
level
of
investment
staff,
estimated
that
the
city
could
construct
approximately
70,
affordable
units
elsewhere
in
the
city.
The
analysis
also
looked
at
the
affordable
housing
benefit
of
developing
the
site
as
a
hotel,
estimating
that
the
city's
commercial
linkage
fee
requirement
would
provide
a
one-time
contribution
of
1
million
dollars.
D
Also,
in
April,
2019
staff
responded
to
a
request
for
a
bulk
and
mass
comparison
of
the
proposed
hotel
with
existing
hotels
in
Boulder.
The
comparison
included
the
hotel
bull
Dorado,
the
st.
Julian
and
the
recently
completed
Embassy
Suites
Hotel
on
Canyon,
following
receipt
of
the
two
studies
council
indicated
through
a
nod
of
five.
That
staff
should
proceed
with
negotiating
a
letter
of
intent
to
sell
the
Pleasant
street
lot
to
the
hill
hotel
partners,
but
requesting
also
that
staff
prepared
two
additional
assessments.
D
The
first
assessment
looked
at
the
impact
of
eliminating
the
public
parking
spaces
on
Pleasant
Street
on
the
total
parking
supply
and
demand
and
eugen
the
consultant
examined,
impacts
both
during
the
construction
of
the
hotel
and
after
completion
of
the
project.
Their
assessment
found
that
youjin
spaces
would
be
at
peak
utilization
mid
day
during
construction,
which
is
measured
at
80
five
percent
occupancy,
as
shown
in
yellow
on
the
diagram
at
right,
and
that
once
the
hotel
was
constructed,
the
additional
demand
could
be
met
by
the
50
space
garage.
D
That's
intended
to
be
constructed
as
part
of
the
hotel.
The
consultant
also
recommended
that
the
city
look
at
ways
to
meet
evening
demand
when
neighboring
residents
currently
park
in
the
pleasant
street
lot
for
free.
They
also
recommended
that
the
city
explore
opportunities
to
relocate
the
current
Pleasant
street
lot.
Employee
permit
holders
staff
members
are
actively
coordinating
with
CU
to
identify
ways
to
do
this,
either
through
existing
University
Hill
parking
agreements
or
through
the
CU
conference
center
garage.
That's
intended
to
be
constructed
across
Broadway
from
the
proposed
hotel.
D
The
second
assessment
requested
by
counsel
at
the
nod
of
five,
was
a
study
of
whether
the
hotel
could
achieve
the
catalytic
economic
impacts
sought
in
the
hill
reinvestment
strategy.
As
mentioned
in
the
video,
the
hill
continues
to
experience
high
vacancy
rates
with
long-standing
businesses
such
as
those
shown
at
right,
vacating
their
spaces.
In
recent
months,
a
study
related
to
the
citywide
retail
project
found
that
average
revenues
on
the
hill
are
insufficient
to
offset
boulders
higher
than
average
occupancy
costs.
D
The
economic
consultant
measured
the
impact
of
a
hotel
compared
to
three
alternatives:
office,
commercial
use,
affordable
housing
and
maintaining
the
status
quo.
Their
assessment
found
that
a
hotel
use
would
have
the
highest
positive
impact
on
the
vitality
of
the
adjacent
commercial
area,
bringing
in
nine
point
nine
million
dollars
in
visitors,
expenditures
on
retail
goods
and
eating
and
drinking
activities
of
which
a
portion
would
likely
be
spent
at
surrounding
Hill
businesses.
D
A
hotel
used
the
consultant
found
would
have
the
highest
fiscal
impact
to
the
city,
including
5.4
million
in
one-time
taxes,
fees
and
land
sale
proceeds
and
an
additional
1.6
million
annually
in
sales
and
accommodations
tax
revenues.
A
hotel
use
would
have
the
second
highest
impact
on
the
broader
Boulder
economy
compared
to
an
office
and
commercial
development,
measured
both
in
terms
of
job
creations
and
overall
economic
output
staff
will
continue
to
update
Council
on
the
Commitments
agreed
to
in
by
the
developer.
D
To
date,
these
include
purchasing
you
Jude's
Pleasant
Street
lot
for
fair
market
value,
contributing
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
a
tenant,
relocation,
Assistance
Fund,
to
be
administered
by
the
city,
providing
a
transportation
demand
management
program
to
reduce
single
occupancy
vehicle
access
to
the
hotel
by
its
employees,
guests
and
visitors,
and
hotel
employment
opportunities
for
CU
students.
More
recently,
the
development
team
has
also
committed
to
designing
the
project
so
that
it
reflects
its
immediate
context,
including
the
hill
commercial
area
and
CU
con
campus.
D
This
week
the
development
team
submitted
an
application
for
a
public
concept
plan
review
with
the
Planning
Board.
Their
review
will
look
at
the
project
site
plan.
The
general
building,
design
and
site
access
following
the
Planning
Board
review
Council
at
its
discretion,
may
call
up
the
concept
plan
for
additional
public
input.
If
counsel
is
comfortable
with
the
direction
of
the
project,
it
may
also
wish
to
schedule
a
public
hearing
on
the
sale
of
the
uijik
parcel.
D
It
is
possible
to
make
the
closing
of
the
sale
subject
to
final
site
plan
review
approval,
which
gives
the
city
greater
assurance
that
what
is
approved
to
be
built
on
the
site
meets
the
intent
of
the
land
sale.
The
concept
plan
submittal
includes
materials
that
give
the
public
a
sense
of
the
project's
massing.
This
rendering
shows
the
project
as
viewed
from
the
north
end
of
the
site
on
Broadway
at
University
Avenue,
and
here
it
is
as
viewed
from
the
south
on
Broadway
at
Pleasant
Street.
D
Prior
to
tonight's
meeting,
there
have
been
three
community
presentations
on
the
concept
for
the
hotel
as
the
project
has
evolved,
and
there
have
also
been
six
updates
to
counsel
staff
has
provided
periodic
updates
to
the
impacted
businesses,
both
those
located
on
the
project
site
and
those
located
in
the
core
of
the
hill
commercial
area.
All
impacted
tenants
received
a
mailed
letter
prior
to
this
meeting
and
an
offer
to
meet
with
staff
individually
with
interpreters
as
requested
as
shown
on
the
screen.
D
The
city
also
maintains
a
project
website
with
records
of
past
meetings,
updates
on
the
current
project
concept
and
opportunities
for
public
input
to
city
staff.
Members
are
also
available
myself
and
Joel
Wagner
with
fine
for
any
questions
about
the
project,
as
it
relates
to
the
Hillary
investment
strategy
goals
and
to
the
fiscal
impact
potential
fiscal
impact
of
the
project.
D
Staffs
questions
for
Council
tonight
include
two
questions.
First,
does
counsel
have
questions
concerning
the
intent,
evolution
and
current
scope
of
the
hill
hotel
project,
including
the
revised
role
of
the
city
with
regard
to
the
project's
potential
financing
and
next
steps,
and
a
second
question
does
Council-
is
huge:
its
board
of
directors
support
advancing
the
hilt
hotel
project
for
planning
board
consideration
requiring,
if
ultimately
approved,
the
sale
of
the
Yuja
Don
Pleasant
Street
parking
lot.
F
D
You
like
me
to
repeat
the
answer:
yes,
please,
okay,
so
first,
the
images
shown
in
the
presentation
are
just
for
massing
purposes
at
this
point,
and
the
architectural
style
would
be
determined
through
the
concept
review
process
with
the
Planning
Board
and
with
the
City
Council.
If
you
desire
to
call
that
up
and
to
answer
your
second
question,
the
appraisals
for
the
fair
market
value
of
the
property
would
be
determined
as
mutually
agreed
upon
in
the
letter
of
intent.
G
H
I
think
it's
varied
actually
in
the
past,
but
I
think
the
idea
would
be.
It
would
come
certainly
before
site
review
so
I'm,
probably
in
between
concept
and
site
review.
We.
H
G
I
A
I
It's
a
negotiation,
so
you
know
yeah.
It
has
to
be
something
that
would
be
within
the
realm
of
a
willing
buyer
and
a
willing
Celer.
So
there
is
some
room
there
and
I
think
that,
as
Sarah
pointed
out
earlier
in
her
presentation,
there
is
already
a
set
of
conditions
in
there.
The
ultimate
issue
for
counsel
is,
you
know:
do
you
ultimately
believe
that
that's
a
good
deal
for
the
general
Improvement
District,
so.
A
I
I,
you
know
I,
think
that
goes
the
value
of
the
property.
I,
think
that
you
know
there's
a
pro
forma
that
will
go
with
that.
The
developer
has
and
I
really
have
no
idea
how
affordable,
how
you
know,
additional
resources
towards
affordable
housing,
what
effect
their
pro
forma,
but
in
terms
of
our
affordable
housing
impact
fee,
etc
that
they
they
would
be
required
to
pay
those
as
part
of
the
project.
A
And
also
with
respect
to
I
know
that
the
project
will
go
through
a
TDM
plan,
but
can
council
put
some
requirements
on
the
TDM
plan,
for
example
on
the
impacts
it
would
have
to
the
employees
of
the
hotel
and
say,
for
instance,
a
lot
of
them
will
probably
be
minimum
wage
or
there
abouts
employees
and
with
respect
to
the
expense
of
transportation,
sure
I.
So.
I
We
would
appreciate
any
feedback
that
you
have
on
that.
You
know
at
this
point.
The
conversations
that
we've
had
about
the
TDM
plan
are
they're
pretty
conceptual
at
this
point,
but
yeah
any
input
that
the
council
would
like
to
give
us
in
terms
of
how
we
would
go
forward
and
negotiate
a
purchase
contract.
If
that's
all,
if
we
go
that
next
step,
we
would
appreciate
that
so.
J
My
only
caution
Mary
is
that
the
David
correct
me
if
I'm
walking,
Lots
owned
by
you
jid
and
you're
selling
it
in
your
role
as
the
ujin
board
of
directors
and
the
money
goes
to
you.
Jed
you'd
have
to
be
careful
about
putting
conditions
on
the
sale
that
don't
benefit
the
owner,
so
I
mean
I.
Think,
suggestions
about
TDM
suggestions
about
affordable
housing
are
helpful,
but
to
the
extent
that
you're
lowering
the
price
that
would
go
to
you
Jed
and
putting
into
another
city
purpose.
I
I
The
district
and
yes,
so
when
you,
when
you
will
be
acting
on
the
sale,
you'll,
be
acting
as
a
fiduciary.
You
know
you're
gonna
be
wearing
two
hats
and
will
probably
be
reminding
you
of
when
you're
wearing
which
hat,
but
on
the
one
hand
you
know
it's
the
traditional
regulatory
role
that
the
council
has
in
sight
review
and,
on
the
other
hand,
it's
going
to
be
as
support
of
the
director
to
the
board
of
directors
for
the
general
Improvement
District
and
the
general
Improvement
District.
Is
you
guys
are
all
aware.
I
A
K
D
E
E
I
G
Want
to
play
back
what
I
think
the
chronology
is
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
here.
So
if
we,
if
we
don't
give
you
if
we
don't
put
on
the
brakes
tonight,
the
concept
plan
will
go
full
which
sounds
like
it
was
just
recently
filed
will
go
forward.
Maybe
the
design
review
board
will
be
involved.
Certainly
the
Planning
Board
will
be
involved.
The
developer
will
receive
that
input
I'm,
assuming
that
Council
will
probably
call
this
up.
G
So
that'll
come
to
us
and
kind
of
them,
maybe
April
May
time
frame
ish
and
at
that
point
in
time,
we'll
weigh
on
the
concept
plan
and
is
that
the
time
you
would
ask
us
to
approve
the
sale
condition
subject
some
conditions
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
second
is
that
is
that
the
point
in
time,
more
or
less,
when
we're
doing
the
concept
review,
you're
asking
asking
us
to
approve
the
sale.
Is
that
right?
That's.
G
Yes
well
idea,
so
public
hearing
concept,
review
and
and
approve
of
the
sale
and
then
that's
that's
rose
in
this,
but
the
sale
would
be
conditioned
on
ultimately
site
review
because
we're
not
going
to
want
to
sell
and
they're,
probably
not
gonna,
want
to
buy.
Unless
we
all
know
that
the
thing
that
we
think
is
gonna
get
built,
there
is
gonna,
get
built
there
right
and
so
the
closing
of
the
sales.
G
I
G
So
you're
not
necessarily
asking
us
to
approve
the
sale
tonight,
but
if
we
had
a
lot
of
heartburn
with
it,
you'd
like
to
know
that
now
before
people
go
through
a
lot
more
cycles,
but
we're
the
approval,
the
sale
won't
happen.
Well,
maybe
the
spring
timeframe,
when
we're
looking
at
the
concept
preview,
is
that
right
subject
to
those
conditions.
Okay,.
H
So
just
to
clarify,
though,
if
we
do
call
it
up
for
the
concept
plan
that
hearing
for
that
would
be
around
the
same
time
as
the
hearing
about
selling
the
land.
But
those
would
be
two
separate
hearings
right
because
in
the
one
case
would
be
the
City
Council.
Considering
a
development
proposal
in
the
other
case
would
be
the
huge
board
considering
selling
the
land
but
they'd
be
near
to
each
other.
Timewise.
Is
that
fair.
B
I
Yeah
they
could
be
sequential
or
they
could
assume
you
could
do
them
the
same
night
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
also
to
remember
as
part
of
concept
review.
You
know,
there's
no
regulatory
approval
that
comes
out
of
concept
review.
It's
really
a
public
input
process,
and
so
you
know
the
process
is
set
up
so
that
you
cannot
in
fact
talk
about
things
other
than
the
regulatory
requirements
that
are
going
to
apply
to
the
to
the
development.
So
this
might
work
well
with
that
good
things,
juni.
I
I
M
I
Correct
but
I
would
still
recommend
that
council
kind
of
use
their
normal
kind
of
quasi
judicial
hearing
standards
and
you
know
be
prepared.
You
know
I
just
think
in
terms
of
transparency,
it's
great
if
you
can
keep
track
of
those
types
of
things
and
disclose
them
so
that
everybody
comes
to
the
table
at
the
same
set
of
information.
Great.
M
M
Sam
so
I
have
some
comments.
I
wanted
to
make
before
we
got
to
answering
the
questions.
I
have
shared
these
comments
with
the
development
team,
but
I
want
to
bring
it
forward
for
the
public
and
council
to
hear
there's
two
main
concerns
that
I
have
with
this
around
the
hill
hotel
design
itself.
One
is-
and
it's
mentioned
in
the
presentation
I
just
want
to
call
it
out-
that
we
have
a
few
contexts
that
were
operating
in.
M
M
So,
contrary
to
that,
when
you
look
from
the
south,
the
pleasant
that
looks
really,
you
know
in
context,
whereas
I
think
the
view
from
the
north
side
looks
bulkier
more
massive
and
so
on
in
what
we've
seen
so
far,
so
I
just
put
out
there
that
those
are
going
to
be
some
points
of
concern
that
I
will
carry
forward
in
the
concept
plan.
I
just
wanted
to
get
them
out
on
the
table
right
now.
It
doesn't
effect
that
I
think
this
should
go
forward.
K
A
G
A
great
maybe
pile
on
a
little
bit
or
maybe
add
a
contribution
to
that
know
that
there's
discussions
going
on
now
between
I
guess
us
or
maybe
it's
the
developer
on
the
one
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
and
in
the
university,
which
is
building
a
very
large
parking
garage
on
the
east
side
of
the
street
and
about
accommodating
those
employees
of
the
hotel
on
the
west
side.
So
they
could
park
across
the
street
in
the
in
the
new
University.
B
G
Three
dollars
after
three
o'clock
and
and
I
think
that
the
types
of
employees
that
Mary
is
referring
to
a
lot
of
them
would
benefit
from
a
program
where
they
can.
You
know
their
shift.
Workers
are
working
the
evening
or
working
in
the
hotel's,
restaurant
or
whatever
it
is
if
they
could
come
in
and
park
at
a
discounted
flat
fee.
All
evening
long
have
the
safety
and
security
of
bowling
having
to
go
across
the
street
as
opposed
to
wandering
through
the
hill.
B
For
bringing
that
up
both
of
you
and
thank
you
for
acknowledging
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
community
vitality
in
terms
of
the
parking
negotiation
I
think
we
will
certainly
continue
our
conversations
with
the
university,
as
well
as
their
partners,
to
see
how
that
can
evolve.
As
you
might
imagine,
as
much
as
we
need
different
kinds
of
modes,
our
work
with
transportation
has
us
considering
all
of
these
evolutions.
B
The
construction
timeframe
right
now
of
all
of
these
projects
is
our
primary
thought
to
make
sure
they
have
mineral
minimal
disruption
in
the
neighborhood
and
for
existing
businesses.
But
we
will
certainly
make
this
a
very
high
priority
in
the
negotiations
and
will
be
thoughtful
around
that.
Thank
you
and.
A
Yeah
thanks
for
bringing
the
three
from
three
to
three
up,
it's
an
excellent
program.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up
is
the
the
possibility
of
providing
emergency
housing
for
people
that
might
get
stuck
doot-doot
weather
events.
Things
like
that,
if,
if
a
giant
snore
snow
storm
comes
for
example,
and
people
can't
drive
home
or
get
otherwise
get
home,
that
the
hotel
will
provide
housing
for
them,
a
room
rooms.
A
M
I'm
just
thought
we
may
need
to
start
with
negotiating
the
kind
of
3:33
program
with
the
university
at
first,
but
with
the
proceeds
of
the
sale
of
the
pleasant
street.
Lot.
There's
also
the
possibility
of
expanding
the
14th
Street
lot
and
then
that
would
be
within
ujin's
control
to
be
able
to
implement
a
3-3-3
program.
So
that
wouldn't
happen
right
away.
M
A
H
Anybody
else
wants
to
go
first,
but
just
before
I
go
into
that
I
would
say
Mary
thanks
for
bringing
up
those
issues
with
around
the
TDM
for
the
employees,
so
I
think
particularly
around
the
commuting
patterns.
I
think
and
parking
was
really
important
point.
The
room
idea
is
an
interesting
one
as
well.
It's
worth
exploring,
but
I'll
just
say
that
I
absolutely
do
feel
like
we
should
move
forward
on
this.
H
G
Am
like
why
supportive
you
know:
we've
been
promising
the
hill
for
decades,
I
think
that
we
would
do
something
to
help
revitalize
the
hill.
And
finally,
we
have
an
opportunity
in
front
of
us.
It
matter
fact:
it's
the
only
opportunity
in
front
of
us.
We
did
it.
We
have
explored
over
the
last
couple
years
alternatives,
but
none
of
them
seem
to
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
and
they're
all
hypothetical.
In
any
event,
this
is
a
project.
That's
in
front
of
us.
It
is
catalytic
and
we
all
received
a
letter
from
the
University
today.
G
We
all
might
remember
that
back
around
2015
or
2016.
We
strongly
urged
the
university
built
its
conference
center
on
the
hill
and
not
overrun
Folsom
Street,
and
they
observed
back
to
us
today
that,
given
the
size
of
the
conference
center,
that
won't
be
enough
rooms,
hotel
rooms
on
their
side
of
the
street,
to
accommodate
all
of
the
conference
attendees
that
they
anticipate.
So
this
hotel
is
synergistic
with
a
conference
center,
which
is
what
we
insisted
on
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
probably
inconsistent
for
us
not
to
support
a
hotel.
G
That
in
turn
supports
the
conference
center,
which
we
very
much
wanted
there
on
the
hill.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
I
really
want
to
compliment
staff.
I
know
this
has
been
years
in
the
making.
I
know
we're
not
making
any
final
decisions
tonight,
but
I
think
this
is
a
stepping
stone
to
ultimate
decisions.
I
think
Murray
and
others
have
raised
some
really
great
points
about
some
guardrails.
We
can
place
on
this
if
this
is
what
this
is
meant
to
be.
We
do
want
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
this.
It
is
our
property.
G
We
have
a
right
to
sell
it
or
not
sell
it.
This
is
a
pretty
significant
used
parking
lot
and
you
guys
have
done
some
great
studies
about
this
lot,
and
so
it's
it's
probably
an
underperforming
asset
in
any
event,
and
if
we
can
get
a
fair
price
for
it
and
contribute
to
the
revitalization,
the
hill
I
think
we
should
do
it.
A
M
Little
bit
I
do
think
this
is
an
important
project.
It's
a
good
project.
It
fulfills
that
we
made
to
the
University
I
also
believe
that
it
will
be
very
complementary
to
the
conference
center
I'm,
actually
quite
eager
to
have
this
conference
center
come
in,
because
I
think
we
will
have
a
lot
of
very
interesting
technical
conferences
that
highlight
the
work
going
on
the
labs
here.
The
work
going
on
at
the
university
I
mean
there's
just
a
lot
to
be
able
to
have
these
kind
of
technical
conferences
and
right
now,
they're
held
outside
of
town.
M
You
know
we
can't
do
the
convening
that
we'll
be
able
to
do
with
this
conference
center.
So
I
think
it's
a
really
important,
amenity,
culturally
and
scientifically
for
the
community
that
we
have
at
the
University
and
having
hotel
rooms
that
are
close
by
meets
a
lot
of
our
climate
goals,
because
people
will
be
able
to
use
public
transit
should
they
choose
to
get
to
that
hotel
and
then
walk
across
the
street
to
the
conference
center
I
believe
that
the
combined
both
hotels
still
won't
hold
the
number
of
attendees
that
could
be
held.
M
Plus,
of
course,
the
revitalization
work
that
we
have
thought
about
on
the
hill
I
mean
it
will
help
mix
and
blend
populations
on
the
hill,
and
it
will
provide
support
for
different
kinds
of
retail
within
the
hotel
itself,
as
well
as
different
kinds
of
food
service,
rather
than
just
fast-food
on
the
hill.
It
will
help
promote
and
support
some
of
the
other
types
of
restaurants
up
there.
So
I
am
supportive
of
this
project
going
forward.
We
need
to
do
our
fiduciary
responsibilities,
make
sure
we
get
a
fair
market
value
price
for
that
service.
Lot.
M
I,
don't
think
it's
particularly
great
use
for
that
space
in
the
city
as
a
surface
lot
and
if
we
can
replace
it
across
the
street
as
far
as
parking
for
employees
or
in
the
14th
Street
lot
eventually,
I
think
those
are
things
that
we
can
look
to
do
with
that
money
huge.
It
is
underfunded
compared
to
cages
so
having
this
infusion
into
you,
Jude
will
at
least
allow
us
to
have
conversations
about
what
our
options
are
on
the
hill.
So
in
general,
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
project.
M
We
need
to
get
get
it
right.
You
know,
I,
think
passing
and
design
elements
are
going
to
be
really
critical,
because
if
it's
gonna
be
a
catalyst
project,
it's
gonna
need
to
be
something
that
highlights
the
entire
hill
area,
including
the
conference
center
across
the
street
and,
however,
the
university
is
going
to
do
their
architecture.
So
my
understanding
is
some
of
the
people
involved
with
the
design
of
the
hill.
M
E
Hope
I
am
incorrect,
but
I
tend
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
skeptic
as
to
the
extent
to
which
this
will
actually
revitalize
the
rest
of
the
hill.
But
having
said
that,
I
think
the
project
stands
on
its
own
merits.
They
he'll
require
some
plan
of
action.
There
is
no
plan,
B
I,
agree
with
Bob
and
then
Sam
about
its
synergistic
effect
with
the
conference
center
and
I.
Don't
believe
it
would
be
appropriate
for
us
to
turn
to
the
Uni
hill
community
and
say
see
you
next
year.
This
is
this.
E
K
A
Thank
you
Adam.
So
all
these
comments
actually
raised
another
question
for
me,
which
is
the
$200,000
for
relocation
of
the
current
businesses,
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
still
enough
and
and
so
I,
if
necessary,
because
it's
been
a
couple
years
a
few
years
since
that
number
was
developed
and
I.
Just
wonder
things
have
changed
in
a
couple
years.
A
So
if
that
number
is
not
enough,
it
should
be
adjusted
and
so
I'll
weigh
in
as
well
I
share,
marks,
skepticism
and
also
the
optimism
in
there
as
well
that
the
project
stands
on
its
sole
own,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it
will
solve
all
the
problems.
So
it's
a
wait-and-see,
but
it
it.
It
does
certainly
introduce
more
traffic
to
the
hill.
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
have
been
made
with
respect
to
the
design
and
the
importance
of
the
view
shed
as
you're
coming
south
from
the
north,
and
those
are
my
main
comments.
A
O
Agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
already:
I,
don't
want
to
add
too
much
to
it.
So
it's
moving
forward
I'm
for
it
I
think
it's
an
opportunity
for
the
community
of
there
for
revitalization,
but
also
we
also
have
to
look
into
the
transportation
system
as
well.
How
will
that
work
so
those
sort
of
things
that
I'm
interested
in?
Thank
you.
A
P
A
The
the
staff
is
getting
situated,
I
just
wanted
to
explain
why
I'm
running
the
meeting
and
not
the
mayor
Sam
at
the
retreat.
We
had
a
suggestion
that
we
rotate
leadership
on
the
study
sessions
and
that
that
rotation
be
tied
to
whoever
is
on
rotation
with
the
council
agenda
committee,
and
so
that
fell
on
me
I'm
on
rotation
and
that's
why
I'm
leading
the
study
session
and
not
that
Sam
Sam
still
mayor.
That's
all
that
is
to
say
is
that
Sam
is
still
mayor.
There.
A
P
Mixed
together,
b-cycle
will
go
first.
All
right,
then
right.
So
thanks
for
having
us
tonight,
I'm
Carlos,
Fernandez,
I'm,
the
new
director
of
transportation
and
mobility
and
I'm
gonna,
do
a
quick,
open,
Ning
and
then
I'm
gonna
pass
it
over
to
DK.
So
first
I
wanted
to
thank
everybody.
Who's
been
involved
with
this.
This
is
my
twelfth
day
on
the
job
and
I
really
AM
get
any
understanding
of
projects
like
this.
How
many
departments
were
involved
in
this
conversation,
so
community
vitality
parks,
Police,
City,
Attorney's,
Office,
the
communications
group
and
then
external
stakeholders?
P
Like
see
you?
Probably
most
importantly,
the
community
has
weighed
in
on
this,
and
so
this
is
a
really
comprehensive
set
of
ideas
that
have
been
brought
forth.
There
are
some
big
wins
that
have
happened
since
the
packet
has
been
issued
and
one
of
them
is
around
funding.
I.
Think
this
notion
of
trying
to
fund
things
collaboratively
is
a
reflection
of
how
hard
this
team's
been
working
across
lines.
P
So
that
was
for
you
and
and
and
for
Chris
too,
and
so
he's
watching
this
tonight,
hi
Chris
and
he's
gonna
email,
a
tough
questions
come
up,
DK's
got
most
of
them
covered,
but
just
in
case
the
idea
is
that
what
we
have
two
topics
tonight,
Boulder
bike
sharing
and
then
we
have
shared
micro
mobility
and
if
I
checked
in
right,
we
have
two
hours
for
this
topic.
Hopefully
we
get
done
sooner,
but
we
want
to
do
is
at
least
do
Boulder.
The
bike
sharing
part.
P
First,
the
case
got
about
10
12
minutes
worth
of
slides
I'd
like
to
let
him
go
through.
His
show
he's
been
working
really
hard.
You
send
me
emails
and
Sunday
night
on
this,
so
I
want
to
give
him
his
twelve
minutes
to
go
through
the
show,
and
then
we
want
to
open
it
up
for
conversation.
We'll
have
that
part
and
then
hopefully
we
can
get
in
the
second
part,
which
is
largely
about
heat
scooters.
Right
last
thing,
I'll
say
is
tonight:
we
have
two
members
with
us
from
transportation,
Advisory,
Board,
mark
and
Alex
are
here.
P
There
was
a
great
suggestion
at
the
CAC
meeting
about
I'm
having
tab
members
here
that
were
part
of
the
conversation
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
we're
like
this
is
an
evolving
conversation.
We
had
a
great
meeting
before
this.
We
have
many
to
come.
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
let
them
speak
tonight
as
well,
we
want
to
make
sure
that's
incorporated
with
your
permission.
So
that's
that's
it
for
the
housekeeping
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
DK
in
30
seconds.
P
I
just
wanted
to
also
tell
you
that
I
had
a
really
great
week.
This
is
my
12th
day
on
the
job
and
it
was
awesome
to
be
at
the
retreat.
The
energy
and
the
conversations
that
you
had
were
like
so
solidifying.
For
me
to
be
part
of
this
and
then
Jane
said
something
the
other
morning.
She
said
that
she
was
gracious
for
the
work
that
I've
been
doing.
It
was
really
motivating
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
It's
been
an
awesome
transition
into
this,
and
and
and
so
regardless
how
this
goes
tonight.
P
Q
Carlos
and
it's
been
great
to
have
you
on
board
so
far
your
Energy's
been
wonderful.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Dave
Kemp
go
by
DK,
I'm,
a
senior
transportation
planner
and
let's
get
started.
Oh,
should
say
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
thanks
for
having
us
so
Boulder
biked.
Oh
sorry,
let
me
see
me
make
sure
you
got
the
right
there.
We
go!
Okay,
sorry
about
that.
So
the
purpose
of
tonight's
presentation
is
to
share
the
results
of
our
analysis
and
to
get
tabs
input
specifically
on
two
items.
Q
One
is
the
overview
of
older
B
cycle
operations
and
review
the
proposed
2020
funding
plan,
and
the
second
item
is
to
review
staffs,
shared
East,
cooter
micro
mobility,
ordinance
recommendation
and
just
a
quick
note
we'll
be
discussing
at
the
February
11th
City
Council
study
session,
where
private
and/or,
shared
lightweight
electric
and
human
powered
vehicles
should
be
allowed
to
operate
in
the
city.
So
that's
coming
up
in
a
few
weeks
now
and.
Q
Q
I
just
helped
us
out
with
a
lot
of
our
promotions,
a
library
pass
program
and
currently
they're
funded
by
a
couple
different
sources
here:
corporate
sponsorships,
City
subsidy
and
then
also
through
several
different
past
programs
and
while
b-cycle
is
an
older
system
and
has
proven
itself
to
be
very
reliable
and
predictable
and
safe
and
b-cycle
is
a
non-profit
contracted
by
the
city
rather
than
a
for-profit
business.
And
so
we've
been
able
to
really
work
closely
with
them
and
weighing
in
our
direction
and
align
our
goals.
Q
Excuse
me
this
next
set
of
slides
will
help
you
get
a
sense
of
current
be
cycles
trends.
This
particular
slide
is
the
rider
categories
per
year
and
you'll
see
that
the
green
and
gray
boxes
are
likely
driven
by
visitors
and
tourism,
and
the
yellow
boxes
indicate
see
you
affiliated
trips,
and
you
can
see
how
much
this
category
has
grown,
especially
in
the
last
quarter
of
2019,
and
the
red
and
blue
boxes
indicate
monthly
and
annual
passes,
which
are
largely
comprised
of
community
members
running.
G
Q
This
is
a
interesting
map.
This
is
a
heat
map,
as
requested
by
Mary
young.
This
is
only
see
you
affiliated
trips,
and
so
we
use
their
email
addresses
to
understand
who's
a
member
of
this.
But
it
really
shows
you
the
vibrant
activity
around
the
University
and
several
shopping
areas
too
Folsom
Street
at
Canyon
and
then
also
along
Arapaho
as
well,
and
it
also
look
at
baseline
in
Williams
village.
Q
Q
Q
We
don't
want
that
B
cycles
reserve
funds
that
they
have
today
would
have
been
used
to
notify
users,
issue
refunds
to
members
and
essentially
closed
the
system.
They
would
cover
the
displays
of
the
stations
and
the
bikes
would
have
been
needed
to
be
stored
or
the
bikes
and
the
stations
would
have
likely
been
stored
at
the
MSC
yard,
along
with
a
plan
for
removing
the
stations
and
potentially
liquidating
the
equipment.
Q
Let's
talk
about
these
cycles
current
equipment,
as
I
mentioned,
it
is
an
older
system,
it's
aging,
but
it's
still
working.
It
is
safe,
reliable
and
predictable.
A
future
path
forward
with
beat
Boulder
B
cycle
would
need
to
gradually
phase
out
some
of
the
older
bikes,
some
of
those
bikes
and
them
in
the
system.
Right
now
are
almost
10
years
old
and
they've
been
holding
up
and
they've
done.
A
great
job
of
maintaining
them,
they've
lasted
a
long
time,
but
they're
getting
old
and
so
converting
or
phasing
those
old
bikes
out
to
new
bikes.
Q
Both
human
powered
and
electric
assist
is
potentially
one
of
our
goals
moving
forward
with
the
company,
and
so
we
look
at
some
of
the
benefits
of
e-bikes.
You
know
we're
looking
to
get
more
types
of
people
on
bikes.
They
can
go
further
on
ebikes
they're
great
for
our
terrain
around
here
and
hilly
getting
up
to
Chautauqua
Park
or
up
into
North
North
Boulder,
and
some
of
the
concerns
of
e-bikes
is
that.
Q
And
so
this
leads
me
to
the
last
slide
of
this
section
here,
and
this
gives
you
kind
of
a
breakdown
of
the
funding
that
we
have
where
we're
proposing
tonight
and
we
again
coordinated
with
all
of
our
partners,
internal
and
external,
to
cover
the
2020,
v-cycle
funding
and
deficits.
So
the
question
tonight,
for
you
is:
should
we
proceed
with
B
cycle
and
its
partners
to
prepare
a
strategic
plan
for
city
council
to
consider
and
q3
of
2020,
so.
P
I'll
just
add
one
thing
before
we
ask
tab
and
then
we
can
do
the
questions
if
that's
okay,
so
I
asked
staff
last
week
when
we
heard
this,
if
there's
any
way
that
we
could
ask
our
partners
Plus
look
internal
to
fund
this
without
asking
for
a
new
funding
request,
and
so
what
you
see
tonight
is
a
lot
of
effort
among
staff
and
our
partners
to
do
that.
So
the
the
$275,000
is
the
bow
to
add
some
beat
electric
be
cycles
into
the
system.
P
Okay,
so
about
40
bucks
in
there
and
to
keep
the
system
going
so
were
doing
some
modernization,
not
just
kind
of
keeping
the
baseline,
so
cu-boulder
is
up
40
percent
in
their
contribution
of
what
they
historically
have
done.
So
that
was
a
really
great
letter
to
receive
in
a
partnership
to
receive
that
left
us
with
165
K
to
fund
the
number
at
the
bottom.
If
you
go
to
the
bottom,
right
is
50,000.
That
was
the
number
we
previously
budgeted.
So
that's
not
like
new
money.
P
P
They
reached
out
to
their
partners
in
the
district
and
asked
about
this,
and
those
partners
said
yes,
P
cycles,
key
to
us,
I
think
believe
was
be
jad
and
then
downtown
Boulder
DMC,
and
so
they
they
upped
their
contribution.
So
then
that
left
us
with
the
15,000
seventy
five
hundred
seventeen
thousand
and
42
so
Bob.
P
You
rightfully
so
asked
about
this
and
now
I
have
that
we
have
answers
for
you
tonight,
so
the
$15,000
is
coming
from
TDM
programs
and
that
we
have
budgeted
this
year,
but
that
we
want
to
repurpose
this
money
to
save
B
cycle
for
there's
some
bike
planning
money.
That
was
gonna
happen
within
a
group.
That's
the
7500
bucks!
There's
some
community
planning
efforts
that
we're
gonna
happen,
that's
the
17:5
and
then
we
don't
have
a
goal:
bowler
or
manager
right
now,
so
that
salary
is
not
being
allocated
right
now.
P
So
we're
able
to
use
that
money,
since
we
don't
have
a
colder
manager
right
now
to
get
to
the
ultimate
number
that
you
see
at
the
top.
So
that's
how
we
went
into
the
couch
cushions
and
got
it
funded
so
that
we
could
keep
going
and
moving
ahead
right.
So
that's
a
funding
breakdown
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
being
allowing
our
tab.
Members
and
I
believe
Alex.
You
wanted
to
talk
about
this
tonight,
so
I'm
gonna
get
out
of
the
chair.
Let
you
talk
and
then
we're
gonna
go
back
to
you.
If
that's
okay,.
R
R
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
well
with
the
system
and
they've
been
a
reliable
partner
for
a
decade,
I've
ridden,
probably
a
dozen
different
systems
across
the
country
and
they're,
not
nearly
as
reliable
as
far
as
bikes
being
at
the
station
and
the
bikes
being
in
good
condition.
The
way
they
are
here
so
tab
certainly
supports
the
continued
investment
and
partnership
with
Boulder
bike
share.
As
we
wade
through
the
other
challenges
of
bikes
and
scooters,
and
so
the
additional
funding
would
also
I
think
expose
a
lot
of
people
to
the
benefits
of
e
bikes.
R
R
Believe
so,
and
it
also
buys
us
time
as
we
sort
out
the
other
modes,
if
scooters
and
Dhokla
see
bikes
were
to
come
in
for
a
couple
years
and
we
were
to
get
rid
of
B
cycle,
but
then
those
private
companies
decide
this
market
isn't
viable
for
them.
We're
left
with
nothing
so
I
think
it's
certainly
worth
continuing
for
at
least
a
year
see
what,
as
far
as
an
action
plan,
to
make
a
more
sustainable
model
goes
and
I
think
Thursday.
R
If
we
were
to
get
the
private
companies,
then
the
cost
is
really
placed
on
the
user
in
a
way
that
B
cycle
isn't
always
a
lot
of
employee
employers
provide
B
cycle
memberships
or
the
annual
expenses
only
88
dollars
a
year.
So
for
someone
who
uses
it
a
lot,
that's
not
a
ton
per
trip.
If
you
were
to
pay
with
some
of
these
other
companies
charge
per
trip
and
you're
a
frequent
user,
the
cost
would
be
a
lot
more
I'm
setting
up
a
query
component
to
it
as
well.
A
P
H
P
We
have
somebody
acting
right
now,
Chris
Hagelin
sure,
because
of
Chris's
current
role
and
then
the
goal
Boulder
role,
we're
not
paying
a
full
salary,
because
Chris
has
existing
salary
as
an
ft
in
our
current
system.
So
the
difference
between
those
two
is
how
we're
gonna
fund
this.
So
it's
not
a
long-term
solution.
It's
actually
a
situation
right
now
that
presented
itself.
H
Q
K
Q
Depends
on
what
kind
of
data
we're
talking
about?
There's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
valuable
data
that
can
come
from
the
private
sector
to
help
us
understand
where
people
are
riding
bikes
or
scooters
within
the
city.
To
help
us
understand,
preferred
routes,
that's
valuable
data,
and
we
can
add
that
in
the
regulations
to
be
required
as
part
of
the
contract
with
the
city,
but
we
don't
have
control
over
some
of
the
backend
stuff
about
why
some
of
the
companies
are
collecting
your
information
about
your
where
you
go.
Q
M
Q
M
Q
That's
right
through
a
special
relationship
of
cu-boulder,
they
were
able
to
you,
see
you
affiliated
emails
and
create
this
particular
heat
map,
so
it
is
only
showing
Cu
activity
at
this
point.
It'd
be
great
if
we
can
advance
and
and
show
a
heat
map-
that's
representative
of
all
trips,
but
this
is
what
we
got
right.
M
Now
and
the
reason
that
that's
really
important
is
because
the
first
impression
of
this
map
is
this
Boulder
B
cycle
heat
map
is
this
is
all
rides
and
so
forget
it
the
next
slide,
then
we
can
get
some
clue
as
to
what
isn't
university-affiliated
by
things
like
pearl
place.
So
where's
the
pearl
place
station.
M
Q
M
M
I
have
to
replace
the
tubes
every
once
in
a
while,
but
as
far
as
things
like
the
battery,
you
know
range,
reducing
or
anything
in
four
years,
I
haven't
seen
that
so
you
talk
about
I,
know,
there's
an
additional
expense
for
you,
bikes
they're
a
little
more
expensive,
even
though
the
price
is
coming
down,
but
I
was
curious.
What
the
claim
for
increased
onm
was
about
what
is
that.
Q
Right
so
a
lot
of
the
shared
key
bikes
out
there
today
do
have
a
battery
pack
and
sometimes
that
battery
can
be
removed
from
the
bike
and
the
bike
can
be
left.
But
the
battery
needs
to
be
recharged,
and
so
it's
about
going
out
and
servicing
the
battery
to
make
sure
that
that's
got
juice
in
order
for
the
next
rider.
That's
a
big
part
of
it,
and
it's
also
about
the
reduced
distribution
or
rebalancing
of
the
bikes
within
the
system.
That
can
also.
M
I
guess
I
can
see
you
needing
spares
so
that
you're,
taking
and
swapping
batteries
whenever
you
move
the
bikes
back
and
forth
or
whatever,
but
that
seems
like
that's
a
fixed
upfront
cost
and
then
at
least
my
experience
has
been
that
the
batteries
kind
of,
like
you
know
when
I
first
bought
a
Prius
I
was
told
I'd
have
to
replace
the
battery
pack
in
the
Prius
at
five
years,
and
the
truth
is
that
you
know
it's
been
13
and
nothing
has
really
changed
as
far
as
mileage.
So
it's
just
a
question.
Q
Q
M
And
then
you
know
the
last
thing:
I
would
just
ask:
there's
I,
guess,
type
1
type,
2
and
type
3
e-bikes
and
those
have
to
do
with
the
governing
of
the
speed.
What
do
you
console
like
type,
3
or
25
miles-an-hour
type
2
mine
is
18
miles
an
hour,
give
or
take
and
then
type
1
or
like
12
to
15
miles
an
hour.
So
what
would
you
contemplate
for
the
type
of
e-bikes
that
you
would
use
for,
recycle
sure.
Q
Then,
in
terms
of
being
able
to
monitor
the
speed
that
can
be
adjusted
through
geofencing,
so
personal
bikes,
no,
they
can't
but
20
miles
an
hour
is
the
top
speed.
But
if
you
say
you
wouldn't
to
have
a
shared
ebike
system,
you
could
regulate
the
speeds
to
be
anywhere
from
12
to
20
miles
per
hour
and
the.
A
N
Q
N
G
So
stay
on
the
slide,
cuz
I'm
still
trying
to
understand
the
60/40
split
first
of
all.
What
so
that
the
let's
start
at
the
bottom,
the
blue
is,
is
non
Cu
affiliated
members,
members
right
people
to
buy
annual
memberships
that
are
not
affiliated
to
use
Erin's.
Well,
it's
it's
possible
that
they
could
be
might
be.
Some
see
you
in
there.
G
So,
let's,
let's
just
say
for
sake
of
discussion,
that
all
32,000
of
those
are
not
see
you
folks
in
46,000
are
see
you
once
now.
The
green
is
walk
up,
day
passes
and
the
gray
is
paper
trip
passes,
so
those
we
kind
of
presume
or
either
tourists
or
I
suppose
they
could
be
residents
who
just
don't
want
to
do
a
membership.
Is
that
right,
okay
and
then
the
red,
the
monthly
members?
What
who
is
that
and.
Q
G
Monthly
are
also
non
Cu
affiliated
or
there
could
be
some
to
you
and
they're.
Also
there
be
some
see
you
in
there
as
well.
So
how
do
we
get
to
60%
for
us
and
40%
for
C?
You
help
me
with
the
math
there
are
we
putting
all
the
tourists
and
all
of
the
Reds
and
all
the
blue
on
our
side
of
the
equation?
Is
that
how
it
is
getting
to
even
there?
It
still
seems
to
me
it's
about
5050,
because
it's
like
right
at
about
a
hundred
thousand
rides
in
46,000,
but
a
minimum.
F
G
G
P
Say
that
they
came,
we
weren't
even
sure
that
they
were
coming
to
the
table
they
offered
$15,000
to
the
system
last
year.
Is
that
right?
So
when
they
came
with
a
letter
that
said,
they're
gonna
give
a
hundred
and
what
is
the
number
now
we
didn't
start
negotiating.
We
said
thanks,
we'll
get
back
to
you.
Okay,
so
we
didn't
begin
negotiations,
but
we
were
really
thankful
that
they
went
up
from
15
to
a
hundred
and
whatever
it
is.
G
Only
see
you
affiliated
ones,
but
doesn't,
if
I
look
at
the
station
station.
A
lot
of
those
places
on
the
left-hand
side
with
a
lot
of
usage
are
either
on
or
very
near
campus,
and
so
that
would
seem
to
bear
out
that
you
know
it
may
be
approaching
half,
maybe
even
more
than
half
cu
student
writers
I.
G
Just
my
comment,
I
guess,
following
on
these
questions,
this
planning
question
is:
is
just
I'd
be
interested
in
a
negotiation
with
Cu
about
whether
there
was
forty
sixty
is
the
right,
fair
split
there
I
mean
from
be
cyclist,
ever
sampling
you're.
Just
looking
for
the
money,
you
don't
care
where
it
comes
from,
but
we
do
and
if
we
have
a
lot
of
students
using
these
stations
and
I'm
a
lot
of
student
among
or
of
see
you
affiliated
folks,
that
are
the
actual
writers,
and
that
seems
to
me
would
be
fair
to
have
a
discussion.
Q
G
G
Q
For
those
I
think
that
is
to
be
determined
still
a
movie
part
of
our
strategic
planning
process.
It
is
difficult
to
say
right
now
if
those
bikes
will
be
owned
by
us
or
leased
by
us
and
then,
if
they,
if
the
money
is
split
between
the
two
different
entities,
then,
which
bikes
would
go
back
to
see
you
and
but
I
think
that
it's
part
of
our
plan
to
work
out
how
that
arrangement
with
DVDs.
G
L
S
G
L
A
great
question:
I'll
talk
this
briefly,
as
I
can
so
basically
doc
based
bike
sharing.
It's
still
pretty
live
and
well
in
the
densest
and
largest
cities,
the
cities
that
seem
to
be
having
some
trouble,
whether
there
be
cycle
Hardware,
other
hardware
providers
tend
to
be
smaller
mid-sized
cities.
Basically
it
does,
does
cost
more
to
buy
and
then
to
run
a
system
like
that.
But
the
you
know
trade-off
is
the
kind
of
predictability
and
reliability.
L
So
you
have
everything
you
have
a
mix
of
huge
city
systems
that
are
profitable
have
for-profit
operators
that
are
hired
by
the
city
or
transit
agencies
who
own
the
systems,
and
then
you
have
a
lot
of
the
b-cycle
brand
systems
are
owned
and
operated
by
a
local,
non-profit
and
there's
a
mix
across
the
board.
There
too,
because
really
the
wild
thing
is,
you
know
a
single
or
several
larger
sponsors,
totally
change
the
game
for
us,
and
that
can
be
really
positive
and
then,
when
the
bottom
drops
out,
it's
not
okay.
Thanks.
H
L
Thank
you,
the
question
yeah
on
this
chart.
It
basically
shows
all
of
the
trips
by
station
in
2019
everything
at
the
lowest
end.
Let's
see
Broadway
an
iris
Table,
Mesa,
xxx
and
diagonal
I'm
actually
going
up.
Those
were
all
removed
during
this
year.
So
it's
I
guess
it's
not
an
apples
to
apples,
comparison
in
that
they're
at
the
very
bottom,
but
we
proposed
ones
for
relocation
that
were
either
the
very
bottom
or
you
know
a
few
steps
up,
but
for
some
other
reason,
where
I'm
making
sense.
Okay.
H
L
H
M
Q
May
not
be,
and
that
is
the
current
situation-
is
that
through
our
arrangement
through
our
partnership
with
the
profit
builder
bike-share
in
the
beginning,
that
through
the
contract
that
we
would
be,
the
owners
should
the
nonprofit
have
to
close
its
doors.
And
so
then
our
options
would
be
to
potentially
find
another
service
provider.
Do
it
in-house
or
switch
to
a
different
type
of
system
altogether
and
liquidate
the
current
system
I
see.
M
Q
May
just
add
to
that
we
are
we're
trying
to
get
Boulder
bike
sharing
off
this
I
guess
the
reliance
of
sponsorship
dollars,
but
it's
not
to
say
that
we're
gonna
forego
the
sponsorship
model
and
actually,
if
it's
possible,
we
can
augment
the
system
with
additional
dollars.
And,
what's
appealing
to
a
lot
of
corporate
sponsors,
is
to
do
something
new
and
so
getting
behind
something
like
new
e
bikes.
M
T
Mark
McIntyre
current
member,
the
the
only
thing
I
wanted
to
say
here,
is
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you,
as
counsel
understood
that
this
has
not
come
before
ten.
This
is
happening
very
quickly
and
Alex
and
I
heard
about
it
tonight.
Elisa
I
heard
about
it
tonight
my
first
time
in
a
meeting
heard
about
it
tonight
in
a
meeting
with
with
Carlos
so
which
is
not
to
say
I,
do
support
this
I
support
not
having
a
catastrophic
failure
to
the
system.
A
precipitous
failure.
T
I
prefer
to
buy
the
time
here
and
so,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
ready
to
evaluate
completely
different
systems
as
we
spend
this
money
and
keep
the
system
going
for
a
while.
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone
understood
that
this
was
not
something
that
has
come
before
tab
and
has
not
been
voted
on.
G
G
Because
there's
really
there's
really
two
halves
here:
right,
there's
the
185,000
to
keep
the
program
afloat
and
then
another
call
$100,000
to
go
out
and
buy
some
ebikes
and
we
haven't.
It
doesn't
feel
to
me,
like
we've
done
a
whole
lot
of
analysis
about
the
e-bikes
and
how
successful
they
are
in
other
cities
and
tab
hasn't
weighed
in
you.
G
That's
not
needed
right
now
to
keep
the
system
afloat
right,
that's
something
that
can
happen
a
month
from
now
six
months
from
now
a
year
from
now.
Whenever
has
an
opinion
about
that,
you
can
come
back
to
us
and
ensure
that
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
as
a
as
a
possibility
of
breaking
this
into
two
different
decisions.
E
I
very
much
support
what
Bob
has
just
said.
It
seems
to
me
that
going
out
and
spending
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
a
bike
switch,
every
report-
I've
ever
had
are
the
greatest
thing
since
sliced
bread,
but
in
the
absence
of
a
funding
model,
we're
kind
of
doubling
down
we're.
You
know
we're
being
asked
to
increase
our
contribution
by
an
order
of
two
and
a
half
times,
and
we
still
don't
know
what
the
longer-term
prospects
are
for
this
I
don't
want
to
turn
the
lights
off.
E
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
continue
to
have
a
viable,
a
bike
sharing
program
but
I
think
stepping
out
in
the
absence
of
knowing
where
we're
going
to
go
and
how
we're
going
to
do
it
I'm
committing
$100,000
to
ebikes.
If
we
don't
have
a
good
solution,
we're
gonna
have
to
spend
the
same
money
next
year
to
defend
our
capital
investment
I'd
like
to
find
out
what
we're
doing
before
we
spend
that
money
mark.
L
When
we
really
brought
forward
our
need
and
request
to
the
city
staff,
the
request
was
for
it
was
for
closer
to
$300,000,
a
full
replacement
of
our
sponsorship
model,
acknowledging
that
that
was
kind
of
fundamentally
unreliable
between
you
know
between
now
and
then,
as
we've
made
it
through
this
winter.
So
far
you
know
and
trying
to
just
help
chart
out
what
our
course
could
be:
I
produced
a
model
showing
we'd,
probably
end
2020,
with
that
exact
$60,000
figure
in
the
bank.
L
If
we
had
only
185
thousand
dollars
in
funding,
that
could
put
us
all
back
in
this
exact
same
room
in
January
of
2021.
In
this
exact
same
situation,
and
so
basically
I
was
trying
to
under
the
model
that
our
board
put
in
place.
Try
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
only
making
it
through
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
but
with
especially
with
see
you
on
board
as
a
larger,
committed
partner
planning
through
the
end
of
the
academic
year
of
2021,
which
also
sees
the
system
through
its
full
10
years
of
operation.
L
A
L
A
great
question
when
we
talk
with
cities
that
are
we
kind
of
I
call
them
their
kin
to
Boulder,
but
they're,
not
exactly
peer
cities.
There
are
cities
as
a
alluded
to
that
have
very
successful
sponsorship
models.
All
of
those
cities
are
larger
and
denser,
and
so
it's
hard
we
looked
at
them.
We
think
how
could
we
emulate
this
and
then,
when
we
talk
with
we've
explored
working
with
media
buyers
and
they
tend
to
say
you're
a
pretty
small
city.
L
The
number
of
impressions
you
generate
really
isn't
what
you'd
hope
it
would
be,
and
that's
a
big
thing.
That's
changed
since
when
the
system
started
and
now
is
that
almost
all
ads
are
being
delivered,
you
know
hyper
targeted
and
with
better
tracking
on
mobile
devices.
So
it's
still
intriguing
for
someone
to
maybe
pave
to
sponsor
the
program
and
have
you
know
durable
asset
visibility
downtown,
but
it's
not
as
compelling
as
it
might
have
once
been.
L
L
We
have
some
great
engagement
around
that
and
I
think
the
system
both
gets
more
use
and
more
revenue
than
it
would,
if
were
just
trying
to
court
those
employees
individually
and
then
the
same
thing
can
be
said
for
see
you
it's
a
combination
of
relocating
stations
to
campus,
but
then
also
see
you
stepping
forward
our
mental
center
and
funding
a
past
program.
That's
enabled
us
to
really
ratchet
the
number
of
students
using
it.
L
A
great
question
what
I
know
I
can
speak
you
a
little
bit
from
what
Denver
V
cycles
doing
so
you
know
again
separate
nonprofit
organizations,
but
we
share
a
lot
of
information
because
we
have
comfortable
hardware.
They
are
gonna,
give
about
half
of
their
fleet
to
a
local,
nonprofit
and
they're
gonna
be
repurposed
to
be
individual
bikes
for
people
who
could
use
them
that
couldn't
certainly
be
a
viable
model.
Here.
L
Most
of
our
bikes
are
still
in
great
rideable
condition,
even
though
some
of
them
are
4,000
miles
into
their
life,
and
so
that
would
that
could
work
here.
Certainly
they're
heavy,
but
they're
very
durable
I
did
want
to
add
one
more
thing
from
earlier
with
councilmember
Yates
was
speaking
to
Denver
bike
sharing.
L
I
think
it
might
be
important
to
point
out
that
there
Denver
bike
sharing
is
closing
the
Denver
b-cycle
system,
but
the
nonprofit
is
remaining
in
operation,
while
the
city
of
Denver
works
out
their
regulations,
so
the
regulatory
environment
has
a
lot
to
do
with
what
any
for-profit
or
nonprofit
is
choosing
as
their
course
forward.
At
this
point,.
A
L
Yes,
basically,
the
hardware
provider
we
have
right
now
be
cycle
makes
ebikes
one
system,
we've
gotten
to
look
a
little
bit
in
at
how
it's
been
performing
so
far
as
Madison
Wisconsin
they're,
almost
the
exact
same
size
system
as
we
are
here
and
their
roof
had
their
users
like
gone
through
the
roof
with
e-bikes,
so
they're
on
course
to
potential
triple
triple
their
usage
in
2020
that
they
had
in
2018
the
difference.
A
key
difference
is
that
Madison's,
a
larger
denser
city
and
home
of
track,
so
yeah
be
cycle
brand
equipment.
Absolutely.
L
A
L
Suppose
so,
I
think,
if
you,
if
we
got
kind
of
clear
on
what
the
use
cases
we
are
trying
to
serve
and
potentially
serving
you
know
when
I
think
of
serving
longer
distances,
I,
certainly
think
of
north
of
downtown
all
the
way
to
North,
Boulder
and
south
to
south
boulder
and
then
east
as
well
clustering.
Your
you
know,
if
they're,
not
stations
at
that
point
with
just
hubs,
fostering
them
along
multi-use
paths
as
you'd
intend
for
people
to
get
in
would
certainly
be
away.
L
L
I
think
of
it
as
being
almost
fully
operations,
because
in
our
mindset
we
aren't
looking
to
make
a
large
we're
not
looking
to
purchase
ebikes
we're
looking
to
like
demo
them
under
a
loan.
Perhaps
from
trekker
b-cycle
I
mean
there
are
equipment
provider
now
and
would
love
us
to
you
know
eventually
replace
our
equipment
with
the
next
generation
of
what
they
offer
or
lease
them
under
a
shorter
term.
So
also
my
mindset
being
that
with
this
this
far
into
the
system,
most
of
our
costs
are
all
of
our
costs
are
operating
the
system,
so
I.
A
G
Sorry,
I'm
confused
on
the
numbers
now
because
I
understand
that
you
had
a
sponsorship
from
Kaiser
was
$80,000
a
year:
okay
and
that
and
that
precipitated
this
problem
so
I'm
having
a
hard
time,
understanding
how
we
go
from
an
$80,000
loss
to
a
$275,000
knee.
Can
you
break
down
the
200,000
about
what
you
would
spend
for?
One
I
understand
I
think
you
talked
about
more
than
a
12-month
cycle,
so
I
kind
of
get
that
part
of
it,
but
let's
just
just
so,
we
can
have
apples
to
apples.
G
Can
you
just
do
12
months
and
say:
how
much
would
it
take
to
keep
the
ship
afloat,
not
buy
new
B
bikes?
Not
do
anything
new
just
keep
doing
what
you're
doing.
Why
would
that
be
more
than
I
know
that
we
we
contributed
so
money
already
right.
We
were
considering
what
fifty
thousand
a
year
right.
Fifty
thousand
so
we
were
see
we're
sixty-five
and
in
eighty
thousand
one-way.
So
that
gets
me
one
hundred
and
forty
five
can
get
us
from
145
to
275.
What's
next
one
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars
going
for
sure.
L
There
we're
also
budgeting
pretty
conservatively
around
system
revenue
which,
to
tie
back
to
the
regulatory
side
of
things,
we've
been
doing
this
since
2017,
and
we
haven't
known
if
dhoklas
bikes
might
land
and
cut
into
our
revenue
stream.
So
every
year
we've
been
basically
projecting
to
get
less
thinking
that
we
might
face
competition,
and
this
time
you
know
our
board
is
taking
this
approach
of
saying.
Well,
we
don't
know
if
scooters
are
coming,
so
we
need
to
budget
that
our
system
revenue
is
going
down
as
if
they
are
will.
H
Alright
I
thought
that
fundamentally
were
Bob
and
Mark
was
a
good
place,
which
was
you
know
to
say.
Yes,
we
want
to
support
beauty
cycle.
We
want
to
make
sure
the
system
stays
in
business
and
it's
sustainable,
but
hey.
Let's
do
a
little
bit
of
a
deeper
dive
into
what
the
next
steps
look
like
and
go
to
tab
and
have
them
take
a
look
at
that
and
say:
okay
before
making
significant
additional
infrastructure
investments.
How
is
this
going
towards
the
long-term
sustainability?
The
model
for
one
to
two
plus
years
I
mean?
M
M
I
went
out
again
that
farebox
revenues
for
RTD
a
roughly
a
quarter
of
their
overall
700
million
dollar
operating
budget,
and
so
it
is
the
case
that
if
we
want
to
support
options
for
transit
and
this
option,
you
know,
as
100,000
rides
a
year,
it's
25
metric
tons
of
avoided
carbon
emissions
a
year,
presuming
that
it
would
be
done
with
scooters
which
are
not
as
good
as
our
bikes
or
or
cars.
I
just
want
to
make
a
pitch
that
we
absolutely
want
to
make
sure
that
it
can
survive
I.
Will
we
now
that
see?
M
Use
jump
here
is
massive
from
$15,000
a
year
to
being
willing
to
put
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year
towards
this
I'm,
not
gonna
quibble
with
them
over
forty,
forty,
five
or
fifty
percent,
because
this
is
such
a
huge
jump
that
it
is
you
know,
I
would
like
us
to
participate
in
this
I
will
say
about
e-bikes.
One
of
the
reasons
that
Madison
may
see
this
big
increase.
M
Is
it
changes
your
perspective
on
getting
around
so
if
people
some
portion
of
these
are
business
users
who
are
using
it
for
last
mile
connections
or
first
mile
connections,
the
difference
with
an
e
bike.
Is
you
don't
arrive?
Sweaty
Hills
become
much
less
of
a
concern,
and
so
these
are
big
heavy
bikes.
You
know,
I
was
a
member
for
a
year
and
my
challenge
with
them
was
they're,
big
and
heavy,
and
he
bike
gets
you
around
both
the
heaviness
and
the
Helenus
and
other
challenges.
M
M
I
do
want
tab
to
weigh
in
on
this,
but
my
personal
opinion
is
that
the
ebike
changes,
people's
perspective
of
what
be
cycle
will
be,
and
so
one
of
the
reasons
I
mean
it's
a
decade
in,
and
so
you
have
to
refresh
and
renew
you
know,
and
so
one
of
the
things
might
be
that,
besides
Taurus
and
students,
the
perception
of
this
as
a
travel
option
is
that
its
older
and
heavier
and
a
little
clunky.
Whereas
if
they're
pedal-assist
e-bikes,
it
may
change
a
lot
of
that
barrier
to
being
able
to
do
it.
M
So
I
don't
want
to
leave
that
out
of
the
conversation
and
I.
Don't
want
to
leave,
see
use
willingness
to
contribute
to
this
out
of
the
conversation.
So
if
we
back
off
and
see
you
backs
off
proportionally,
I
do
want
to
reserve
a
conversation
for
tab
to
have
around
you
know
the
pros
and
cons
of
being
able
to
do
this.
I
don't
know
about
reducing
stations.
I
mean
there's,
there's
a
chicken-and-egg
concept
there,
because
you
want
people
when
they
park
there
by
dev
a
short
walk,
yes
to
where
they're
going.
M
So
if
you
reduce
stations,
even
though
it's
easier
to
get
a
longer
distance,
they
may
still
have
a
longer
walk
if
there
are
fewer
stations,
so
I
just
want
to
put
a
full-throated
support
out
for
b-cycle.
It's
clearly
been
a
benefit
to
the
community
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
to
at
least
give
it
a
chance
to.
You
know,
find
the
sponsors
that
can
do
it.
M
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
tech
companies
in
Boulder
these
days,
and
you
know
some
of
them
are
expanding
even
beyond
what
they've
announced
to
us
as
far
as
campuses,
including
Apple
and
Google,
and
some
other
companies.
So
it's
a
long
way
of
saying,
I,
really
support,
recycle
I
think
we
need
to
at
least
make
sure
that
they
get
through
the
next
year
and
I
would
like
tab
to
talk
about
what
we
might
think
about
for
refresh
to
be
able
to
kind
of
reinvigorate
people's
enthusiasm.
A
P
Q
Question
there
is
a
local
example
to
of
how
much
we
subsidize
transit
in
the
hop
is
a
good
example
right
now
the
city
subsidizes,
the
hop
by
two
dollars
and
sixty
cents
per
ride
provider,
and
it's
also
subsidized
by
RTD
and
also
the
University.
Okay,
thank
you
as
compared
to
the
what
would
be
potentially
the
165
allocation,
which
is
a
dollar
sixty-five
for
a
ride.
Rachel
I'm.
N
The
first
thing
I
wrote
down
was
his
tab.
Looked
at
this
and
so
I'm
grateful
that
members
of
tab
came
tonight
to
voice
anything,
but
this
whole
thing
has
felt
a
little
bit
haphazard
and
clunky
to
me,
like
we
had
this
study
session
set
up
for
East
scooters
and
micro
mobility
and
then
we
sort
of
tagged.
You
know
tagged
us
on
and
kept
building
on
it
over.
N
The
last
I
don't
know
a
couple
of
weeks,
I
think
so
it
doesn't
feel
like
we've
had
a
thorough
review
and
chance
for
somebody
to
look
at
this
holistically
and
also
I.
Think
it's
a
one,
a
dollar,
forty
five
subsidy
for
each,
maybe
under
the
new
dollar
amount
and
I
appreciate
it
in
tabs
annual
letter
that
they
were
looking
at
the
neighborhood
eco
passes
and
equity
considerations
and
I'm,
not
sure
you
know
what
demographics
or
socioeconomic
status
benefits
mostly
from
subsidizing.
This
so
I
hope
that
tab
will
look
at
that
as
well.
A
H
O
P
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
motion
I'm
new
to
this,
so
he
just
be
patient
with
me.
I
really
appreciate
it.
So
what
I
understood
from
the
conversation
tonight
is,
we
would
proceed
with
I
believe
it's.
The
hundred
and
eighty
five
thousand
dollar
mark
to
keep
b-cycle
going
and
that
would
not
be
to
lease
or
buy
or
do
anything
with
the
e
flea.
P
A
Believe
that's
right
and
the
one
thing
that
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
consensus
on
is
the
asking
Cu
for
more
I
mean
I,
heard
Erin
and
Sam
in
support
of
the
full-throated
support
and
others
haven't
weighed
in
on
whether
or
not
the
support
that
Cu
as
providing
going
from
15,000
to
110,000
should
be
renegotiated.
I
I,
don't
think
that's
necessary.
A
F
N
H
I,
don't
either
the
one
thing
I
would
just
say:
Carlos
that
that,
to
what
you
said,
I
was
not
necessarily
this
specific
number,
but
to
say
that
do
what
it
takes
to
keep
the
system
healthy
and
then,
but
don't
start
on
major
infrastructure
investments
additional
ones
without
going
through
tab
first
and
coming
up
with
a
long
term
plan.
So
I
didn't
s.
I
didn't
hear
that
necessary.
That
was
185,
but
Roger.
G
I
mean
you
guys
have
to
figure
out
what
the
number
is.
It
sounds
like
there's.
A
fair
amount
of
conservativism
built
in
this
I
know:
there's
some
reserves
for
East
Cooter's.
We
didn't
stick
around
when
I
talked
about
that
you'll
have
the
answer
by
nine
o'clock
on
that
I.
Suppose
the
dye
clip
dhoklas
thing.
You
know
we
approved
those
regulations
two
years
ago
and
they
haven't
shown
up
so
I
think
the
risk
of
that
is
probably
relatively
small
if
they
would
have
shown
up.
G
You
guys
will
figure
out
what
the
number
is,
but
let's,
let's
just
kind
of
do
what
it
needs
to
be
done
to
keep
the
ship
afloat
whatever
that
number
is,
you
guys
can
do
the
math
on
that
get
40%
of
that
number
from
Cu
and
then
kick
it
over
to
tab
for
an
evaluation
of
supplemental
equipment,
whether
the
sea,
bikes
or
other
things
and
the
future,
and
then
maybe
have
tab
come
back
to
us
in
three
months.
Six
months,
whenever
you
guys
are
ready
and
talk
about
what
tabs
recommendation
is
hey.
M
Sam,
so
just
to
give
us
a
little
perspective
on
that
say:
it
is
195
just
for
discussion
purposes.
That
would
mean
to
use
portions
about
75,
which
would
be
a
significant
chunk
of
that.
You
know
reduces
our
not
too
between
100
and
110
thousand,
but
also
say
that
if
CEO
is
willing
to
pay
the
difference,
you
know
after
we
go
through
tab
and
we're
talking
about
how
to
improve
the
system.
M
If
she
is
willing
to
pick
up
40
percent
of
that
I
think
we
need
to
really
consider
that
as
the
serious
kind
of
partnership
offer,
because
that's
a
pretty
significant
chunk
of
whatever
improvement
we
try
and
make
and
the
point
of
the
improvement
would
be
I
think
is,
as
you
said,
it's
a
pilot
it's
to
test.
Would
it
move
the
needle
on
demand
at
all,
because
if
it
does,
we
have
an
interesting
answer
for
how
we
might
make
the
system
more
healthy.
M
A
H
G
P
Q
All
right,
transitioning
now
something
that's
very
relative
to
be
cycle,
is
micro,
mobility,
I
know,
that's
the
term.
We've
been
slinging
around
it's
an
industry
term,
but
it
you
know
it
does
represent
a
number
of
different
types
of
vehicles,
and
so
just
as
a
reminder
we
are
referring
to
microvilli.
We
are
talking
about
both
human
powered
and
electric
powered
lightweight
vehicles
such
as
bikes
and
scooters.
Q
These
shared
devices
could
be
dock
base
like
be
cyclist
today
or
dock
less
and
that
they
don't
require
a
docking
station
and
so
the
why?
In
all
this,
why
we're
looking
at
this
and
the
over
Archery's
overarching
we're
using,
is
to
improve
air
quality
and
decrease
greenhouse
gases
by
reducing
their
independence,
Motor
Vehicles,
reducing
sov
trips
in
the
city,
single
occupancy
vehicle,
and
the
other
reason
is
that
many
shared
micro
mobility
options
are
considered
active
transportation,
which
also
provides
a
health
benefit
for
users
when
they're
getting
around
our
city,
but
getting
exercise
and
being
healthy.
Q
So
since
the
the
moratorium
or
inferring
to
the
study
period,
it's
been
very
helpful.
Thank
you
very
much
for
enacting
that
it
really
has
allowed
us
to
dig
deep
on
this
whole
subject
and
work
closely
with
our
partners
in
the
community
and
really
very
closely
with
cu-boulder,
as
they
are
a
major
partner
and
then
also
with
the
boulder
chamber
too.
Q
It's
been
a
great
process,
I
think
and
we've
been
very
collaborative
with
them
through
the
the
whole
process
and
including
hosting
of
many
demonstration
events
and
conducting
a
community
questionnaire,
and
we've
also
are
thankful
for
the
coordination
with
the
mic.
Mobility
providers.
We've
been
very
transparent
about
our
process,
the
entire
time
with
all
the
for-profit
micro
mobility
providers.
These
are
some
of
them,
actually,
all
of
them
that
we've
coordinated
with
and
they've
helped
us
understand.
Q
The
industry
and
they've
also
participated
and
a
lot
of
demonstration
events
and
through
it,
all
we've
bounced
ideas
and
regulations
and
I
back
and
forth,
and-
and
so
we
are
definitely
thankful
for
their
partnership
and
what's
been
interesting
about
this
too.
Is
that,
although
some
of
these
providers
here,
some
of
them
do
only
scooters
and
then
some
of
them
will
do
both
bikes,
ie,
bikes
and
scooters.
So
you
get
up
combination,
and
so
we
want
to
recognize
the
opportunities
with
micro
mobility.
Q
They
help
provide
transportation
options,
particularly
as
first
and
final
mile
transit
solutions,
which
is
an
action
item
in
our
TMP,
and
there
were
certainly
a
large
number
of
micro
mobility
trips
generated
in
2018
84
million
trips
nationwide.
The
2019
data
has
yet
to
be
released
that
we
don't
know
what
that
figure
looks
like,
but
we're
imagine
it
probably
doubled,
because
there
was
an
influx
of
additional
vehicles
deployed
within
the
on
the
streets
throughout
the
US,
and
the
technology
is
evolving
to
ebikes
are
now
equipped
with
a
lock
to
capability.
Q
As
you
recall,
from
our
licensing
program
that
we
put
into
effect
in
2017,
we
wanted
and
you
can
see
the
picture
in
the
right-hand
corner.
We
wanted
to
have
a
bicycle
that
was
able
to
lock
to
a
bike
rack.
We
didn't
want
self
locking
bikes
in
install,
or
you
know,
active
around
the
city
to
be
placed
in
crosswalks
or
sidewalks
areas
where
people
could
potentially
get
hurt
and
the
the
technology
of
particularly
the
East
puter
to
is
also
changing.
The
the
wheels
are
getting
bigger.
Q
Then
there's
a
challenges
that
still
exist
today.
A
primary
concern
is
the
safety
for
pedestrians,
safety
for
pedestrians,
on
sidewalks
and
multi-use
paths,
the
safety
for
the
users
on
the
streets,
and
we
don't
want
to
over
saturate
our
community
with
vehicles
are
not
being
used
so
having
a
demand
based
cap
in
place
is
key
and
issues
with
parking
generally
with
them
on
the
sidewalk,
and
so
the
next
set
of
slides
decides
describes
the
highlights
of
our
analysis
and
five
areas
of
concern,
which
are
safety,
mode
shift,
sustainability,
equity
and
demographics.
Q
The
first
we
want
to
talk
about
the
Community
Engagement.
A
lot
has
been
done.
This
time
has
allowed
us
to
coordinate
with
all
the
community
partners
that
you
see
up
top
there
and
it's
been
a
mixed
review
from
all
the
different
stakeholders
about
which
direction
we
should
go.
Some
are
in
favor
of
ebikes,
actually,
most
all
are
in
favor
of
shared
e-bikes
and
there's
mixed
reviews
on
on
e
scooters,
and
that
comes
out
and
both
the
questionnaire
and
through
our
conversations
with
our
stakeholders,.
Q
And
specifically
with
tab,
we
wanted
to
share
their
their
input.
They
do
support
the
inclusion
of
shared
bikes
ebikes
on
a
citywide
basis
and
sometimes
also
support
a
citywide
program
that
would
include
these
scooters,
but
all
tab
members
say
express
support
for
a
pilot
program,
including
a
scooters
but
limited
to
the
East
Boulder
area
in
order
to
serve
the
Business
Park
such
as
Flatirons
Business,
Park,
East,
walnut,
Airport
Road.
You
see
the
problem
with
some
of
these
areas.
Q
Q
The
city's
Attorney's
Office
in
the
city
manager,
manager's
office,
so
I'll
read
the
recommendation
in
order
to
in
order
to,
in
addition
to
Boulder
bike
sharing
be
cycle,
allow
only
commercial
shared
electric
assist.
Bicycle
providers
to
operate
within
the
city
staff
does
not
recommend
allowing
commercial,
shared,
East,
gouta
route
providers
to
operate
within
the
city
and
now
we'll
get
into
the
the
slides
of
analysis.
So
of
paramount
concern
is
safety.
This
is
a
slide
from
Austin
Texas
Public
Health,
in
cooperation
with
the
CDC
of
the
injuries
that
they
analyzed.
Q
One
percent
of
those
folks
that
were
riding
a
Easterner
was
wearing
a
helmet
and
45
percent
of
those
folks
suffered
a
head
injury.
What
is
alarming
is
that
almost
30%
of
people
writing
a
you.
Scooter
are
injured
on
the
first
trip
now
I
think
you
passed
the
first
trip,
probably
gonna,
be
ok
to
get
to
the
second
and
the
third,
but
it's
that
first
try
on
the
east
scooter
that
could
lead
to
a
problem
and.
M
M
Q
Q
And
then
we
talk
about
alcohol
use
and
a
scooter
use
combined
as
absolutely
an
issue,
and
and
so
there
was
been
a
number
of
floating
around-
that
the
79
percent
of
the
injuries
were
people
were
impaired.
That's
not
exactly
true.
It
was
of
the
79
percent
of
patients
admitted
to
the
hospital
that
were
tested
for
alcohol
half
of
those
almost
half
of
those
had
a
notable
v8
blood-alcohol
content,
and
that
was
from
the
BMJ
study
and
then
from
the
Austin
public
health.
N
Q
No,
it's
a
combination,
I
mean
I.
Would
we
assume
that
a
majority
of
the
crashes
that
did
occur
at
night?
The
people
were
had
we're
drinking,
but
it's
hard
to
it's
really
hard
to
put
the
finger
on
that.
But
there
is
a
split
between
the
crashes.
It's
not
just
happening
at
night,
but
it's
happening
during
the
day
and
the
night.
A
Q
So
the
data
around
this
is
really
interesting,
because
it's
not
necessarily
system
IIST
or
systemic.
At
this
point,
it's
kind
of
all
over
the
place
we
have
to
kind
of
reach
in
different
locations
to
find
information.
We
need
to
do
you
know
in
order
to
analyze
what
we're
seeing
and
so
does
the
state
of
disrepair
of
a
road
lead
to
a
potential
crash.
Q
It's
hard
to
say
we
don't
have
access
to
a
lot
of
the
accident
reports,
so
we
don't
know
if
it
was
a
contributing
factor.
But
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
models,
potentially
specifically
avi
scooters,
they
do
you
have
a
smaller
wheelbase,
and
so
at
this
point
we
make
the
assumption
that
the
condition
of
a
road
could
affect
how
a
scooter
would
operate.
Q
Q
So
since
2010
there
have
been
since
2000
2010,
there
has
been
four
bike
share:
related
fatalities.
Yet
since
2018
there
has
been
21,
East,
gouta
related
or
yes,
re
scooter
share
related
fatality.
So
some
to
us
was
very
alarming,
which
was
pretty
much
the
impetus,
the
main
primary
impetus
of
a
recommendation.
Q
It
definitely
affects
our
vision,
zero
goals,
and
so
that
is
of
concern,
and
so
we
are
making
the
I
guess
more.
The
prudent
decision
to
say
this
is
not
a
risk
worth
taking.
Staff
did
conduct
an
analysis
of
the
East
gouta
fatalities
and
16
of
them
didn't
happen
at
night,
76
ball.
Five
of
them
happened
during
the
day
and
most
of
the
crashes
appear
to
be
caused
by
the
user
of
the
scooter,
making
a
sudden
turn
into
traffic
and
running
a
red
light
or
falling
off
a
scooter
and
into
traffic.
Q
Anywhere
we're
comparing
bike
share
to
scooter
share,
and
this
is
a
typical
way
in
which
we
measure
exposure
and
per
100
million
miles.
If
you
look
at
the
fatalities
for
bike
share,
it's
been
a
little
over
one
fatality
per
100
million
miles,
but
and
and
so
if
you
look
at
the
scooters,
we're
talking
about
20
3.4
100
per
100
million
miles.
Q
Okay,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
mode
shift,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
benefits,
the
presumed
benefits
of
a
scooters,
is
that
they
are
providing
a
mode
shift,
and
so
what
we
did
is
we
analyzed
the
evaluation
reports
from
six
different
cities
across
the
u.s.,
and
we
paid
special
attention
to
this
question.
If
an
e
scooter
had
not
been
available
for
your
last
trip,
how
would
you
have
made
the
trip-
and
you
can
see
the
split
here.
Q
But
the
companies
are
claiming
that
they
are
improving
the
lifespan,
which
is
a
good
thing,
but
we
haven't
seen
the
data
on
that
in
terms
of
how
long
a
lot
of
them
say
it's.
You
know
now:
they're
lasting
three
months
now
they're
lasting
six
but
see
they're,
they're,
keeping
the
the
vehicle,
ID
private
and
the
data
specifications.
So
we
don't
know
for
sure,
and
so
we
can't
make
an
assumption
that
that
is
a
true
statement
in
terms
of
East
guta
operations.
Q
They
are
resulting
a
net
increase
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
you
can
see
there
and
really
it's
the
manufacturing
of
the
ski,
the
e
scooter
and
then
also
the
rebalancing,
the
east
user
that
comes
into
play
in
terms
of
increasing
the
GHG
get
gases.
So
if
the,
if
the
company's
decided
to
start
requiring
zero
or
lower
emission
rebalancing
fleets,
that
would
help
and
then
also
reducing
the
distances
for
rebalancing
fleets
to
travel,
would
help
out
a
lot
and
then
equity
and
demographics.
Q
All
the
micro
mobility
companies
will
provide
us
that
percentage
the
fleet
to
be
deployed,
underserved
neighborhoods,
but
when
the
discount
membership
are
available,
they
are
rarely
accessed.
Unfortunately,
for
example,
only
6%
of
the
trips
in
Portland
were
accessed
by
underserved
community
members.
Q
Really
we
needed
better
promotion
through
these
affordability,
affordability,
programs
and
the
cities
to
augment
that
outreach.
But
surveys
show
that
most
people
using
e
scooters
are
white
young
men
and
that
they
earn
more
than
the
medium
income
and
they
tend
to
be
a
little
C
less
than
35
years
old.
Q
Ok,
thanks
and
so,
regardless
of
which
way
city
council
decides
to
go.
Staff
has
prepared
a
set
of
regulations
to
govern
both
e
scooters
and
e
bikes.
Before
you
are
the
regulatory
categories
and
some
of
their
specific
components,
the
draft
regulations
were
constructed
based
upon
stakeholder
input
in
active
guidelines.
Q
And
so
this
is
our
proposed
approach.
We
want
to
integrate
the
elements
of
the
current
doclist
bike.
Share
licensing
program,
take
out
those
things
that
were
prohibitive
for
the
for
the
companies
to
do
business
and
adjust
some
of
those
regulations.
We
would
propose
to
continue
our
public
investment
in
boulder
bike
share
and
we
encourage
the
regional
coordination.
This
is
really
important
for
our
first
and
final
mile
solutions,
particularly
with
regional
transportation.
Q
We
need
other
communities
that
are
embracing
micro
mobility,
so
that
a
trip
on
the
other
end
is
being
satisfied
by
a
vehicle
other
than
a
car
and
part
of
this
process
depending
upon
City
Council's
direction.
Tonight
would
be
to
conduct
a
request
for
proposal
process
to
select
a
vendor
or
vendors,
depending
upon
which
way
you
guys
want
to
go
and
I
think
we're
almost
yeah.
T
Master
plan
update
as
well
and
I
refer
to
that,
because
the
goals,
as
stated
in
the
TMP
are
and
I
quote
here.
Our
transfers,
our
transportation
system
will
be
safe,
be
equitable,
be
reliable,
provide
travel
choices
and
support
clean
air
and
our
climate
commitment
so
and
I
state
those
because
being
safe,
providing
choices
and
meeting
our
climate
commitment
should
be
the
guiding
principles
for
the
decision-making
in
regard
to
a
scooters
and
other
micro
mobility
programs,
but
they're
really
so
related,
though
especially
those
three
choices:
safety
and
media.
T
So,
as
a
city
as
a
group
as
tab,
we
talked
at
length
about
first
and
last
mile
solutions.
Yet
we
have
effectively
over
the
last
couple
years,
blocked
all
dhoklas
bike,
share
possibilities
and
East
scooter
possibilities.
Wow
our
peer
cities
have
actually
been
implementing
either
pilot
programs
or
or
simply
regulating,
and
allowing
and
managing
these
modes
and
I
spent
some
time
talking
with
the
senior
planner
in
Fort
Collins
in
charge
of
their
micro
mobility
program.
T
So
they've
been
operating
a
knee
scooter
pilot
since
late
October,
so
essentially
three
months
into
the
program
they,
but
before
they
implemented
this
program
they
partnered
with
their
University.
So
this
is
all
very
familiar.
I
mean
Fort
Collins,
similar
size,
similar
sized
University,
a
little
different
geography,
but
a
lot
of
things
are
very
similar.
They
developed,
so
they
partnered
with
the
University
in
and
so
in,
developing
the
regulations
and
selecting
a
vendor,
and
they
have
there
are
three
months
into
it.
Now
they
have
about
40,000
rides
to
date.
T
All
winter
rides
now
about
9,000,
unique
riders
and
they're
expecting
this
to
pretty
dramatically
increase
as
as
bike
ridership
and
everything
else
increases
in
the
in
the
summer
months.
They
also
reported
an
initial
set
of
complaints,
as
when
you
introduce
a
new
element
into
a
traffic
situation,
you
always
get
that,
but
their
complaints
have
really
diminished
pretty
dramatically
and
that's
partly
due
to
a
pretty
strict
set
of
regulations
regarding
parking,
speed
limits
geofencing
in
specific
areas.
T
They
do
allow
them
in
their
downtown
area,
but
not
on
the
sidewalks
in
down,
but
the
other
thing
that
they
did-
and
this
is
something
salmon
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
other
day.
Was
they
to
try
to
create
clarity?
They
pretty
much
said
a
bicycle
and
a
bike
and
an
e
scooter
in
terms
of
where
you
can
go.
T
They
have
no
reported
injuries
to
date,
and
so,
in
general,
they
consider
this
their
initial
movement.
On
this
to
be
a
success
as
a
board,
we
discussed
where
there
are
some
great
needs
for
micro
mobility
and
we
really
discussed
the
East
East
City
area,
flat,
irons,
industrial
park,
the
need
there
for
people
to
connect
to
transit,
coming
in
on
a
rapaho
or
other
routes
with
somewhat
infrequent
bus
service
and
then
the
ability
to
go
to
lunch.
There's
a
it's
a
it's!
T
A
lunch
desert
out
there
for
for
a
lot
of
those
people,
and
so
you
know
we
said
we
did
support
the
idea
of
a
pilot
somewhere
out
of
outside
of
downtown,
and
we
gave
that
at
the
staff
as
a
way
to
as
a
possible
way
to
move
forward.
Other
than
just
saying
no-
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say,
is
that
I
want
us
to
be
aware
about
the
way
we
talk
about
e
scooters
and
the
questions
we
ask
about
them,
because
it's
completely
many
times
it
can
be
completely
different
than
for
other
modes.
T
So
we
lifecycle
concerns,
for
instance,
lifecycle
concerns
are
real
and
life
cycles
are
being
improved
with
e
scooters,
because
it's
an
economic
benefit
to
the
east
scooter
company.
But
we
don't
ask
the
person
driving
a
single
occupancy
vehicle
to
explain
when
their
car
will
magically
make
up
for
their
climate
impacts.
We
don't
hold
them
to
this
standard
that
we
do
other
other
micro
mobility
modes,
so
just.
T
Finally,
we
also
believe
that
the
that
the
safety
concerns
pointed
out
by
staff
are
real
and,
and
but
there
will
there
will
be
crashes
and
bad
behavior
in
in
every
mode
and
and
I
know,
I'm
going
to
speak
in
absolute
terms
here
versus
a
number
of
miles,
traveled
or
whatever.
But
I
want
to
remind
us
that
everyday
100
people
or
more
died
in
car
crashes
and
that
does
not
include
the
100
does
not
include
the
17
pedestrians
killed
every
day
by
cars
and
trucks,
which
is
those
are
the
numbers
from
your
your
your
report.
T
So
again,
as
and
and
and
I
know,
of
no
I
can't
state
this
for
sure,
but
I
know
of
no
e
scooter
killing
anyone
other
than
themselves.
So
we
don't
have
a
scooters
crashing
into
pedestrians
and
killing
them
or
cars
and
killing
someone
in
a
car.
So
there
there
is
a
a
difference
in
in
the
way
we
talk
and
evaluate
these
micro,
mobility
solutions
and
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
aware
that
we
tend
to
kind
of
give
some
other
solutions
of
pass
cars
and
and
we
evaluate
these
solutions
differently.
So
that's
my.
P
K
O
J
O
Question
is:
how
can
we
regulate
regulate
for
the
safety
concerns
that
you
have,
because
they
are
important
and
the
thing
is
people
who
died
in
cars?
That's
not
something!
It's
it's
very
hurtful.
We
don't
want
people
to
die.
We
want
to
keep
people
safe.
So
how
can
we
ensure
that
we
protect
people
while
allowing
this
opportunity
for
the
community,
and
also
you
mentioned
equity,
which
is
something
that
is
very
important
to
me
and
to
a
lot
of
us
here
as
being
part
of
care?
O
What
can
we
do
to
ensure
that
we
we
infuse
that
equity
within
that
program
so
that
people
of
different
socio-economic
can
have
access
so
to
me,
I
want
to
look
at
more
the
opportunity
because
we
can
say
yes,
there
is
a
safety
concern
and
it
is
valid.
We
want
every
person
to
be
protected
and
I
think
what
you
said
earlier
about
vision,
zero.
You
viewed
that
on.
We
don't
want
any
person
in
this
community
to
suffer
any
type
of
injury,
but
at
the
same
time
we
want
to
create
this
opportunity.
H
I
think,
thanks
for
that,
Jenny
I
agree
with
those
statements
too.
I
did
have
one
question
here,
so
I
definitely
get
your
points
about
concerns
about
safety
and
I.
Think
you
know
really
a
key
way
to
look
at.
This
is
in
terms
of
relative
risk
right,
because
cars
as
Mark
eloquently
pointed
out,
are
not
safe
right
and
they
cause
many
many
injuries.
H
So
the
question
is
what
introducing
East
scooters
make
the
relative
safety
of
our
community,
our
transportation
users
worse
and,
and
so
what
I'm
wondering
is
like
I
know
that
some
other
cities
that
have
tried
this
have
have
found
that
the
the
safety
concerns
are
that
the
the
safety
of
the
mode
is
not
worse
than
other
modes.
So,
looking
at
Portland,
for
example,
right,
which
is
a
city
that
we
have
a
lot
of
shared
values
with,
and
they
did,
they
did
a
pilot
and
their
health
department
evaluated
and
said
you
know
we.
H
Q
So
you
know
they
valuation
reports
are
all
different.
There
are
some
stories
of
success
and
there's
other
stories
where
they
have
an
experience.
That
and
so
I
guess
you
can
draw
from
whichever
evaluation
report
you'd
like
to
define
where
the
successes
or
where
the
issues
are
and
we
were
focused
on
finding
out
where
people
were
getting
hurt
and
because
it
is
a
real
possibility
and
from
our
research
that
East
Cooter's
over
a
bike
share
is
that's.
That's
the
primary
essence
of
our
evaluation
here
is
higher
risk
than
Mike's.
A
A
One
right
there,
the
the
bottom
right
I,
find
it
really
interesting
that
that's
starting
to
look
like
a
bike,
and
so
what
can
you
it's
a
scooter?
So
I
guess
my
like.
So
my
question
is:
is
what
is
the
evolution?
What
you
said
that
they're
starting
to
get
bigger,
wheels
and
getting
saddles
and
what
time
frame
was
that
and
and
how
much
more.
Q
Evolution,
that's
how
fast
this
whole
industry
is
evolving.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
companies
that
started
out
in
2018
they've
got
different
models
today
they
have
been
working
on
the
robustness
of
their
vehicles
and
they've
moved
from
hard
rubber
to
wheel,
some
of
them
they're
all
different,
there's
several
different
providers
to
more
pneumatic.
It's
just
you
know
suspension
the
wheels
so
air-filled
tires
some
half
shocks.
Sometimes
a
battery
can
be
taken
out
for
charging
the
time.
Q
That's
left
in
there's
a
hole
now,
there's
a
variety
but
I
think
what
some
of
the
companies
are
hearing
and
what
we're
seeing
as
a
result.
Some
of
the
crash
statistics
is
that
it's
the
high
center
of
gravity,
that's
associated
with
the
typical
East
scooter.
Today,
the
stand-up
and
the
smaller
wheels
that
make
it
more
prone
or
more
susceptible
to
being
involved
in
a
crash,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
companies
are
not
a
lot
of
them.
Q
I
shouldn't
say,
but
there's
there's
so
much
technology
evolution
with
this
right
now-
and
this
is
one
company
that
appeared
in
in
2019
there's
actually
a
couple
companies
that
have
come
out
in
2019
that
offer
a
larger
wheel,
sit
down
option
and
then
some
of
them
have
the
helmet.
That
is
as
part
of
the
the
the
device
itself
and
so
there's
no
there's
no
petals
on
this.
There's
no
chain
drive,
but
there
is
the
yeah.
It's
hard
to
see.
You.
P
P
P
A
Q
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
you're
giving
up
your
ability
to
self
propel
a
device
versus
being
fully
reliant
on
a
device
that
is,
electric
powered
and
so
II
scooters
are
able
to
create
a
sustained
speed
with
the
push
of
a
button.
And
whereas
a
bike
share
a
bike,
you
have
to
pedal
in
order
to
get
the
juice
in
order
to
go
so
I
think
there
is
something
definitely
evident
and
how
its
propelled
and
the
sustained
speed
of
it
and
then
also
the
the
design
of
the
device
today.
Q
P
I'll
add
just
one
thing:
we
don't
know
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
I
always
in
Denver,
but
the
City
Council
meeting
a
year
and
a
half
ago
when
I
had
my
consulting
firm
having
this
exact
same
conversation,
and
we
looked
at
all
the
data
that
was
available
at
the
time,
which
was
less
than
now
and
you're,
asking
all
of
the
same
questions
or
the
right
questions.
But
I
can
tell
you
going
through
that.
We
don't
know
right.
P
I
worked
on
the
downtown
Denver
access
and
mobility
plan,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
data
doesn't
slice
it
enough
to
answer
these
questions.
The
reports
that
come
in
through
the
hospital
that
eventually
gets
filtered
into
these
reports
it
depending
on
who
writes
them
and
who
funds
them.
There's
a
bias
also
Brocket
said,
and
that's
true,
there's
depending
on,
if
lift,
is
lift
fund
some
of
these
studies,
so
you
have
to
trace
the
money
back
to
who's.
Doing
the
studies.
P
I
would
not
feel
comfortable
as
a
professional
telling
you
tonight
that
there's
one
way
to
decide
whether
they'll
be
safe
and
unsafe.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
questions
out
there
that
we
don't
know
and
I
would
hate
to
be
on
the
record
tonight.
Referencing
one
study
or
another.
We
just
don't
know
and
I
wish
we
did,
but
we
don't
we're.
Q
Doing
our
best
to
piece
together
would
have
you
know
what
information
is
available
today.
It's
hopeful
that
knack
toes
20/20
micro
mobility
report,
National
Association
for
City
Transportation
officials,
which
we
produce.
The
last
report
will
provide
some
clarity
around
the
different
types
of
vehicles,
they're
designed
and
crashes,
and
injuries
and
and
also
usage.
A
N
But
it's
trying
to
think
of
how
that
would
work
like
with
geofencing,
so
I
am
out
in
the
industrial
park
and
I
want
to
scoot
over
to
Wendy's
for
lunch
or
something
I
park
it
usually
when
I
park
it
like
in
another
city.
Somebody
takes
it
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
can
get
back
to
the
industrial
park.
First
of
all
and
second,
how?
How
is
it
that
nobody's
gonna
be
able
to
pick
it
up
and
take
it?
Q
A
lot
of
details
to
work
out
around
the
usage
who's
able
to
use
them
in
those
business
parks
and
the
round
trip
aspect.
Do
they
get
picked
up
by
someone
else?
We
has
an
app
on
a
two,
so
that's
a
question.
Council
can
pick
whichever
area
they
would
want
to
pilot
this
program
and
then
also
we
can
talk
about
geofencing,
that
particular
area,
so
that
if
the
bike
are
sorry,
if
the
scooter
was
to
leave
that
boundary,
then
the
power
would
then
go
off
on
the
east
cooter.
Q
T
N
Just
something
I
think:
maybe
we
need
to
think
through
and
then
you
know
by
piloting
it
somewhere
like
that
I
think
we
can
also,
like
you
know,
I,
assume
and
and
I
guess
I'm
asking.
Wouldn't
we
expect
that
the
mode
shift
numbers
would
change
like
if
we're
specifically
looking
at
people
who
are
in
that
desert
and
and
drive
to
lunch
and
their
you
know,
their
alternative
is
not
gonna,
be
walking
to
snarf.
Thank
you
for
that.
Much
better.
There
they're
almost
surely
going
to
be
changing
into
a
more
active
mode.
N
P
O
I'll
be
a
lot
clearer
now,
because
my
question
to
you
may
be:
there's
no
answer
to
it.
How
are
how
are
you
looking
into
enforcement
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
what
Rachel
said
because
I've
been
to
DC
I've
lived
in
DC
and
people
do
leave
these
hooters
around.
So
if
in
Boulder
we
want
to
be
safer
and
people
not
to
trip
on
them,
what
can
we
do
to
ensure
enforcement,
and
also
you
mentioned
in
your
slides?
O
Q
Which,
let
me
respond
to
the
enforcement
piece?
Okay,
okay,
absolutely
and
so.
I
earlier
comment
around
the
helmet
use.
I
would
say
that
the
micro
mobility
providers,
all
of
them,
have
been
very
enthusiastic
and
encouraging
around
getting
their
users
to
use
helmets
getting
them
to
wear
the
helmet,
the
user
itself
as
another.
It's
another
thing
we
there
could
be
a
regulation
or
a
Norden
or
an
ordinance
that
we
require
people
who
riding
scooters
to
wear
a
helmet,
but
working
very
closely
with
PD
and
also
code
enforcement.
Q
Q
M
So
this
is
a
pretty
complicated
one.
It's
complicated
by
a
couple
things
in
my
mind.
One
is
the
safety
concerns.
20
times
the
accident
rate
per
mile,
driven
versus
bikes
is
notable
Aaron
I,
just
looked
at
Portland
just
an
FYI.
They
ran
a
four
month
pilot
out
of
that
at
a
hundred
and
seventy-six
emergency
room
visits
and
four-month
pilot.
They
said
there
were
many
more
accidents
than
this,
but
most
of
them
didn't
require
emergency
room
visits,
but
a
hundred
and
seventy-six
in
four
months
so
Portland
has
not
said
these
things
are
okay.
M
The
short
lived
lifetime
is
a
huge
concern
right
because
if
you
compare
it
to
bike,
sorry,
bikes
or
other
alternative
modes
which
get
people
out
of
cars
as
well,
that
really
short
lifetime
the
embedded
carbon
emissions
and
building
them
battery
disposal.
You
know
everything
that
goes
along
with.
That
is
a
great
concern
compared
to
what
I
think
our
longer
lived
options
and
the
fact
that
many
of
these
are
not
used
for
last
mile.
First
mile
connections,
many
of
them
are
used
as
toys.
M
Many
brides
are
taken
between
Friday
evening
and
Sunday
morning
and
you
go
down
to
Denver
and
you
can
watch
them
being
used
as
toys
and
some
of
the
plazas
down
there
and
not
being
used
to
connect
they're
just
being
taken
for
joyrides,
which
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
but
it's
not
actually
solving
a
conductivity
problem
that
we
have.
So
when
it
comes
to
the
East
Boulder
concept,
I'm
pretty
open
to
that.
So
I've
worked
out
there
for
13
years.
I
know
very
well
what
that
area
functions
like
and
I
would
make
it
everywhere.
M
East
of
foothills.
Actually
to
be
honest,
because
and
because
some
folks
along
to
go
to
baseline,
there
are
some
restaurants
there,
but
there's
also
walnut
cafe
and
there's
the
stuff
out
there.
So
I
would
start
east
of
foothills
and
see
how
it
worked
and
take
some
measurements
of
injuries,
and
that
would
be
mostly
replaced
in
car
trips
and
I
do
believe
that
if
there
are
scooters
out
there,
I've
ridden
them
too
I
find
them
to
be
much
more
dicey.
As
a
mode
of
transport
than
a
bicycle.
I
mean
the
handlebar
short
and
narrow.
M
M
There
are
a
lot
of
people
out
there,
there's
roughly
speaking,
40,000
employees
in
East
Boulder,
that's
second
only
to
downtown
as
far
as
the
concentration
of
employees
during
the
day,
so
I
think
that's
a
good
place
to
start
and
I
think
we
want
to
monitor.
I
mean
Portland,
for
you
know
they
point
out
the
upsides
to
them
as
far
as
replacing
car
trips
and
so
on,
but
they
also
acknowledge
the
downsides,
which
is
why
they
did
a
second
pilot.
M
So
if
we're
saying
Portland's
a
comparison,
city
I
think
we
should
say
that
they've
been
cautious
about
it
as
well
and
that
they
had
paid
close
attention
to
things
like
emergency
room
visits,
crashes
and
the
lifecycle
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
So
I
could
support
during
a
pilot.
I
want
us
to
go
really
slow
and
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
the
data
a
couple
three
times
in
the
first
year,
so
that
we
learn
what
we
can
learn
I
think
that's
the
best
suggestion
for
where
to
do
it
in
town.
If
we're
gonna
undertake
it
at
all,.
G
I'm
gonna
support
the
staff
recommendation
and
not
even
have
a
pilot
East,
Boulder
and
I'll
say
why
first
of
all,
I
went
up
in
Fort,
Collins
myself
and
met
with
the
folks
in
downtown
Fort
Collins
on
January
10th
and
a
couple
things
I
learned
from
them.
First,
the
geofencing
does
not
work
simply
technologically
does
not
work.
It's
supposed
to
be
writable
in
certain
places
and
not
other
places,
they
said,
doesn't
work
for
panes.
So
anybody
who
wants
to
rely
on
geofencing
should
know
that
that's
the
real
world
experience
in
fort
collins
ii.
G
They
picked
one
vendor
for
their
pilot,
and
that
was
lime
and
lime
is
now
in
the
process
of
going
out
of
business.
A
lot
in
fiber
didn't
see:
Bieber
Thank,
You
Bert,
but
Berta's
Bert
is
I,
think
having
some
pretty
severe
problems
and
I
think
for
good
or
for
bad
we're
catching
the
tail
end
of
this
I.
G
You
can
google,
it
have
banned
these
scooters,
they're
willing
to
take
a
step
back
and
let
cities
like
Portland
experiment
with
their
residents
and
they're
waiting
for
this
data,
and
they
have
taken
a
cautionary
view
of
this
they're
concerned
about
the
health
and
safety
of
the
residents.
Could
you
put
the
graph
that
shows
the
alternatives?
What
people
would
do
if
they
weren't
on
scooters.
G
G
I
get
the
fact
that
if
we
piloted
this
in
East,
Boulder,
there's
probably
less
drinking
because
not
many
drinking
opportunities
in
East
Boulder
and
if
we
limit
it
to
daytime
use-
maybe
maybe
there'd
be
even
less
of
that,
but
we
also
I
think
need
to
be
realistic
that
people
are
not
gonna
use
helmets.
If
this
is
truly
a
last
mile,
do
we
really
expect
people
to
walk
around
with
a
helmet?
G
Take
it
from
their
home
on
the
bus
get
off
the
bus,
get
a
nice
scooter,
put
the
helmet
on
and
take
it
to
the
last
mile
of
work
hang
on
to
that
helmet
and
then
get
the
office
and
then
get
back
on
a
scooter
and
get
back
to
the
bus
and
get
back
home.
I
think
the
answer
is
no
and
I.
Think
Junie
asked
a
really
good
question
about.
You
know:
how
are
we
gonna
enforce?
G
Whatever
rules
we
put
in
place,
our
cops
are
already
overextended
right
now
doing
fighting
crime
and
getting
the
bad
guys
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we
want
to
divert
our
police
officers
to
give
me
people
tickets,
we're
not
writing
wearing
helmets.
We're
riding
on
the
sidewalks
were
doing
whatever
thing
that
we
we
put
in
place
there.
So
I
think
that
that
a
nice
Boulder
pilot
sounds
tempting
is
probably
not
going
to
get
us
a
whole
lot
of
benefit.
I'll,
just
close
by
saying
that
I
am
so
impressed
by
that
20
times
the
fatality
rate.
G
When
Marc
read
off
the
the
goals
of
the
transportation
master
plan,
I
couldn't
help,
but
the
first
notice
that
the
first
word
was
safety
safe.
That's
our
number
one
obligation
as
council
members
to
our
community
is
the
safety
of
our
community
transportation.
Alternatives
are
great
and
we
should
certainly
pursue
them
as
long
as
they're
safe,
but
we
shouldn't
let
anybody
hurt
themselves,
or
god
forbid,
kill
themselves
on
these
scooters.
I
keep
coming
back.
Those
of
you
were
on
council
last
fall.
G
Remember
that
brother
and
sister,
who
came
in
in
stood
right
here
and
told
us
the
story
of
their
sister,
who
left
a
game.
I,
don't
think
she
was
intoxicated.
She
was
leaving
a
chorus
game,
they
had
a
long
walk
back
to
their
car,
and
so,
instead
of
getting
the
car
they
jumped
on
the
scooter
and
she
caught
a
caught
an
edge
and
she
she
fell
down
and
I
think
she's.
Still
in
a
coma.
G
That's
what
we
call
it
vision
zero,
because
our
goal
is
to
make
it
zero,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
if
we
are
going
down
this
path
and
allowing
people,
we've
seen
the
statistics
from
Portland
to
go
out
there
and
hurt
themselves,
in
the
sake
of
maybe
an
alternative
mode
of
transportation,
we're
not
living
up
to
our
standard
of
vision,
zero,
which
is
to
reduce
injuries
and
deaths,
not
to
provide
opportunities
for
those.
So
I
think
we
need
to
apply
the
precautionary
principle
here
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
apply
safety.
E
If,
in
fact,
the
useful
life
of
these
scooters
is
improved
from
what
it
is
today
and
lastly,
is
the
issue
of
enforcement-
it's
not
going
to
be
enforced,
and
that
means
we're
going
to
have
East
scooters
on
sidewalks
and
other
safety
considerations
arise
from
that.
I
agree
with
what
Bob
said
if
I'd
rather
put
a
hold
on
it.
E
If
we
get
contradictory
data
that
that
indicates
that
these
these
devices
are
safer
than
we
assumed
or
that
the
information
tells
us
they
are
today,
we
can
revisit
it,
but
I
am
not
attracted
even
to
a
even
to
a
pilot
program.
At
this
point,
I
I
really
don't
want
to
do
I
like
experiments
I
like
experimentation,
but
not
in
terms
of
I,
don't
want
to
pay
for
it
with
with
hospital
visits,
an
emergency
room
visits
on
our
population,
so
I
support
the
staff
recommendation
entirely.
N
So
it's
it's
not
a
situation
where
we
can
only
compare
the
scooters
to
bikes,
I
think
a
proper
comparison
also
includes
cars,
and
we
need
to
look
at
the
fatality
rates
there
and
the
emissions
rates
there,
and
so
it's
pretty
unfair
to
to
only
compare
bikes
and
scooters
and
we're
seeing
right
now
that
there's
a
clamoring
for
it
in
East,
Boulder
and
elsewhere
and
I.
Think
that's
because
the
solutions
that
we
have
there
are
not
working
or
for
many
people
for
lunches,
like
the
heavy
b-cycle
bikes.
N
I'm,
supportive
of
the
pilot
I
think
it's
going
to
save
lives,
not
cost
lives
and
I'm,
not
insensitive
to
an
individual
person's
injury
in
Denver,
and
don't
want
to
be
read
as
saying
that,
but
every
day
in
this
country
we
have
people
dying
in
cars
and
and
our
goal
is
to
move
people
out
of
cars
and
a
small
pilot
to
see.
If
that
works
is
favorable
and
progressive.
And
to
me
it's
what
boulders
about
I
think
we
are
creative
and
leading-edge
and
I
would
like
to
see
us
continue
in
a
safe,
thoughtful
way
and
I.
N
Think
a
lot
of
us
have
ideas
for
ways
that
we
could
make
a
pilot
safe.
We
could
have
people
in
the
in
the
office
parks
get
lessons
before
they
get
their
passes
and
also
just
want
to
mention.
I
think
that
we
have
bird
representatives
here
today
who
could
maybe
clarify
if
they
are
going
out
of
business
or
not.
H
I
think,
thanks
for
that,
Rachel
I'd
agree
with
everything
that
Rachel
just
said.
I
did
just
look.
I
have
no
idea
of
really
about
bird
but
I.
Just
there's
a
news
article
from
yesterday.
That
said,
they
just
raised
additional
money
and
bought
another
company.
It
seems
like
they're
still
going,
can
you
go
to
the
the
slide
on
alternatives
like
what
scooter
users
would
have
used?
Otherwise
there
it
is
right
there
it
just
so.
Clearly,
not
every
trip
would
replace
a
car
trip,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
the
TNC
category
there.
H
So
that's
the
people
who
would
have
gotten
a
rideshare.
Is
it
24%?
You
know
the
ride
shares
typically
you're
driving
two
miles
for
every
one
mile
that
somebody
travels
or
more
right,
so
that
the
TNCs
are
actually
the
biggest
category
in
terms
of
driving
and
and
miles
traveled
and
I
thought
Rachel.
So
that's
24%
of
that
alternative
and
13%
on
personal
vehicles.
So
not
a
hundred
percent
replacing
car
trips,
but
those
are
pretty
substantial
numbers
and
to
Rachel's
point
that
when,
when
you're
not
in
a
car,
then
you're
not
a
you're,
not
in
a
mode.
H
That's
dangerous
to
yourself,
but
that
cars
are
also
dangerous
to
other
people.
That
was
Mark
pointed
out
right,
so
that
that,
if
you're
doing
alternatives
to
car
than
you're,
making
kind
of
the
system
safer
for
other
folks
as
well,
I
think
the
way
to
approach
it
would
be
to
look
at
where
the
safety
issues
have
happened
and
work
on
mitigating
those.
So
we
saw
that
first
time
riders
were
a
large
percentage
of
injuries
and
I.
Think
if
we're
focused
on
East
Boulder,
so
I
thought,
tabs
recommendation
was
great.
H
I
thought
you
all
did
a
great
job.
You
know,
which
is
a
nice
Boulder
it'd,
be
less
tourists
and
more
reuse,
errs
I.
Imagine
and
so
there's
more
of
an
opportunity
to
train
people
to
give
them
lessons
you
know
and
in
how
it
works,
and
if
you
restrict
hours
as
well,
a
lot
of
the
I
think
all
75
percent
is
something
in
the
fatalities
or
nighttime
related.
H
So
if
you
restrict
the
hours,
then
you're
you're
talking
about
daytime
and
I'm
guessing
they'll,
be
a
fair
amount,
less
drinking
involved
right
because
of
where
you
are,
and
at
the
time
of
day.
So
if
you,
if
you
did
a
pilot
that
addressed
we're,
the
largest
causes
of
accidents,
have
been
then
I
think
you
could
come
up
with
something
that
would
probably
be
substantially
safer
than
the
current
transportation
system
for
your
average
user.
So
I
think
it's
it's
worth
giving
it
a
try
in
that
kind
of
business,
focused
area
of
East,
Boulder.
K
K
From
the
core
target
yeah
from
the
court,
demographic
here
I
would
not
set
foot
anywhere
near
one
of
those
things.
I'm
gonna
get
injured
just
by
tripping
over
it.
So
it's
not
a
major
interest
to
me
at
this
very
moment,
but
I'm
very
open
to
looking
at
it
again
a
little
bit
down
the
line
to
see
what
the
improvements
are
in
the
industry.
You
know
it
seems
very
much
like
one
of
those
move
fast
break
things
industries.
M
Want
to
inject
a
little
bit
of
data
that
I
pulled
from
the
internet
just
now,
according
to
the
National
Highway
Traffic
Safety
Administration
vehicle
crashes,
including
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
who
are
killed.
So
the
number
of
fatalities
is
about
one
and
a
quarter
per
hundred
million
miles
traveled.
So
it
is
still
in
the
same
range
as
bicycles,
but
20
times
less
than
the
reported
fatality
rate
for
a
scooters
per
mile
traveled.
So
for
what
that's
worth
I
just
thought:
I
really
inject
a
little
bit
of
of
context
here.
Yes,
cars
kill
people.
M
A
Have
already
okay
great,
thank
you.
So
if
there
are
no
other
comments,
I
will
weigh
in
I
I'm
kind
of
where
Adam
is
not
kind
of
I
am
where
Adam
is,
and
probably
the
biggest
reason
is
that
photograph
of
the
evolution
of
East
Cougars
to
put
people
out
there
at
by
55th
an
Arapaho
on
these
scooters.
Currently
so
I
ride.
A
My
bike
on
the
sidewalks
out
there
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
it's
a
commercial
area
but
I
ride
it
out
there,
because
it's
really
unsafe
to
be
on
the
bike
lane
and
not
only
do
I
write
it
on
the
sidewalk,
but
I
write
it
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
road
on
the
sidewalk
and
the
sidewalk
is
in
really
poor
condition.
So
imagine
somebody
going
from
Flatirons
Park
in
in
the
heart
of
the
park
trying
to
get
over
to
snarfs.
A
They
have
to
come
out
of
the
park
and
then
somehow
they
either
ride
the
wrong
way
on
the
bike
lane
on
the
street
or
they
get
on
the
sidewalk,
which
is
really
windy
and
in
really
poor
condition.
They
get
out
to
55th
and
Arapaho,
which
is
a
really
high
accident
rate,
I
think
one
of
the
higher
ones
in
the
city
55th
and
Arapaho.
A
They
have
to
cross
that
and
then
they're
on
the
multi-use
path
or
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
sidewalk
again
going
on
a
windy,
sidewalk
and
and
if
not,
they
have
to
cross
a
wrapper
to
get
over
to
snarf.
So
it's
not
real
safe
conditions.
It
sounds
like
a
really
great
idea,
but
I
just
I,
don't
think
it's
ready
for
primetime
I
would
wait
until
the
scooters
have
evolved
into
something
that
lasts
longer.
A
P
Thanks
so
it's
9:05,
and
there
is
another
piece
of
the
direction
that
we
were
asking
before
this
evening,
which
really
is
related
to
e-bikes.
So
there's
a
second
part
of
this
tonight
was
related
to
ebike,
so
there's
a
scooter
any
bike,
and
so
this
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
leave
off
that
part.
As
part
of
the
conversation.
Q
M
Q
If
you
included
electric
assist
and
it
was
too
low,
and
so
the
new
regulations
that
we've
drafted
increased
that
fleet
starting
number
up
to
about
500
with
options
to
increase
the
fleet
if
they
meet
the
demand
based
cap,
that
is
two
rides
per
day
per
bike.
If
we're
achieving
that
with
that
fleet,
then
we
increase
it
further.
Q
If
we're
not,
then
we
don't,
and
so
we've
taken
the
I
think
the
important
elements
of
the
doclist
bikes,
your
licensing
program
and
we
fused
it
into
this
new
regulatory
scheme
that
we've
created
for
the
future
Michael
mobility
program.
So
we're
taking
the
old,
putting
it
away,
taking
the
good
stuff
out
and
putting
it
into
the
one
where
we
think
it's
going
to
work
and
be.
Q
Would
come
to
City
Council
for
approval?
What's
the
timeline
so
that
so
the
curt
that's
in
March
in
March
yep,
so
the
curtain,
current
ordinance
is,
will
sunset
in
August
of
2020
this
year,
and
and
so
we
can
extrapolate
those
elements
of
the
current
ordinance
and
infuse
them
into
the
new
one.
That
you
would
then
have
a
couple
readings
to
consider
and.
Q
M
Q
Q
Yeah,
either
personal
or
I
know
it's
a
it's
a
it's.
You
know
an
industry
term
and
it's
a
buzzword.
But
yes,
he
bikes
bikes.
Scooters
are
all
forms
of
micro
mobility,
even
one
wheels
and
elect
electric
powered
unicycles
and
those
are
all
considered
whether
personal
or
share
or
considered
forms
of
micro
mobility,
because.
M
We're
seeing
a
lot
of
personally
owned,
Electric
skateboards
personally
owned
one
wheel,
I,
don't
know
if
I
called
hoverboards
or
whatever,
but
on
the
path.
I
see
many
more
of
those
now
than
I
have
in
the
last
18
months.
So
my
opinion
is
that
that
would
be
a
better
way
to
go
to
increase
shared
micro
mobility,
rental
micro
mobility
would
be
the
e
bikes
and
increasing
the
number
so
that
it's
attractive
to
a
company
to
come
here
rather
than
the
east
scooters.
G
Obviously
that
what
the
numbers
we
picked
a
couple
years
ago,
we're
too
low
because
no
one
came
into
town
so
that
we
cannot
make
stay
in
work
outside
I
I
would
welcome
tabs
input
and
then
bring
that
back
to
us,
with
some
recommendations
and
and
and
so
I
want
to
marry
together.
What
Sam
said
and
with
what
Adam
and
Mary
said,
I
I'm
not
saying
that
a
scooters
are
never
gonna,
be
a
solution
here,
maybe
someday
they
will
maybe
the
dad.
Maybe
people
get
better
at
writing
them.
G
Maybe
people
will
figure
out
how
to
use
helmets
and
whatnot
I,
don't
know,
but
I'd
rather
not
experiment,
but
I
would
like
to
experiment
with
with
e-bikes
and
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
suggest
is
is
is
continue
to
our
paws
on
a
scooter.
Rentals
I,
don't
know
if
that's
six
months
or
12
months,
but
continue
that
pause,
because
I
think
Adams
right,
I
think
they're
not
ready
for
primetime.
Yet
maybe
they
will
get
ready
for
prime
time
or
maybe
they'll
never
get
ready
time
time.
G
The
things
that
are
breaking
are
people
obviously,
and
we
don't
want
to
bring
people,
but
in
the
meantime,
let's,
let's
have
to
have
give
us
some
recommendations
and
staff.
Give
us
some
recommendations
on
how
we
can
crank
it
up
with
the
e-bikes,
and
maybe
that
is
our
solution
and
maybe
we're
all
going
to
be
happy
and
we're
not
going
to
kill
people
and
we're
going
to
have
a
really
great
micro
mobility.
That's
something
we
can
revisit.
You
know
down
the
road
as
the
time
goes
on
one
other
thing
to
say,
but
it
was
so.
A
I
just
want
to
bring
it
back
to
council
and
it
sounds
like
there
might
be
a
compromise
here
to
wait
on
a
pilot
for
a
while
longer
and
as
these
evolve
and
we
get
more
data
and
but
to
start
with
Sam
and
Bob
suggestion
to
try
and
get
more
micro
mobility
through
the
e-bikes.
And
is
that
something
that
we
could
get
more
support
on?
Because
it
seems
like
we're
split
right
now.
I.
H
Mean
I
think
what
you
have
is
a
disagreement,
so
I
mean
I
think
there's
an
it
sounds
like
there's,
not
majority
support
for
a
nice
scooter
pilot
right
now,
so
you
can
just
say
that
there's
no
majority
support
but
then
I
think
moving
forward.
The
ebike
updating
to
those
regulations
sounds
like
a
great
idea
and
go
for
it.
Alright,.
G
One
thing
you
guys
should
be
prepared
of,
so
you
know
we
keep
seem
to
be
be
surprised
by
these
things,
and
maybe
you
guys
are
already
aware
of
this.
But
I
know
in
many
cities,
including
New
York
mopeds
rental
mopeds
are
the
new
thing.
Okay,
this
is
the
new
thing
that
you
guys
are
going
to
deal
with
and
Rick
recommendations.
These
are
rental
mopeds,
it's
a
one-time
fee
of
19
bucks
and
then
it's
like
$1
every
10
minutes.
They
do
come
with
helmets,
there's
two
helmets
as
a
boot
and
there's
two
helmets
in
them.
G
I,
don't
know
if
they're,
safe
or
dangerous
I
actually
drive
them
up
at
all
time,
I
own
one,
myself
and
I've
never
had
a
problem,
but
this
is
a
thing.
That's
coming
down
the
road
and
we're
gonna
have
to
figure
out
whether
we
want
to
try
to
regulate
those
but
they're
sweeping
the
country,
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
time
before
they
start
showing
up
on
our
streets
and
people
were
jumping
around
the
mopeds
and
probably
not
know
what
they're
doing
so
just
be
ready
for
that.
One
you're.
P
He
says:
I
really
appreciated
the
conversation
tonight
and
I
just
want
to
link
it
back
up
right.
So
the
two
actions
that
we
talked
about
tonight
is
everyone
comfortable
at
how
those
are
now
wed
together
right
because
we
kind
of
had
to
have
them
independent
to
get
to
here.
So
is
there
anything
that
now
you
that
we've
done
that
that
were
where
everyone's
cool
still
I
guess
I
want
to
ask
good.
P
And
I'll
just
play
devil's
advocate
just
from
one
moment:
I'll
tell
Mary
being
devil's
advocate
right,
but
we
do
have
her
proposal
on
the
table
from
CEO
this
whole.
Why
we
were
not
totally
crazy,
we're
just
a
little
bit
crazy,
but
the
idea
was
if
we
could
take
our
current
system
and
not
sacrifice
it,
which
is
the
b-cycle
system
and
invest
in
it
with
some
money
that
we
have
it's
almost
looking
passing
the
plate.
Would
that
be
the
place
to
try
the
ebike
pilot
thing
and
get
that
going
right?
P
Could
you
said
yourself
I
get
that
a
bike
places
where
we
want
to
go
so
given,
given
that
right?
That
was
aren't
I
kind
of
well.
Maybe
if
we
have
this
money,
we
could
try
it
through
see
or
see
where
it
goes.
Get
some
data
this
year
to
see
what
it
looks
like
when
we
enter.
We
induce
those
ebikes
into
the
fleet.
We
can
get
data
from
that
pretty
easy
about
their
usage
who's
using
them.
We
can
query
that
a
little
more
so
this
fall.
P
We
could
come
back
with
some
informed
data
about
ebikes
through
the
current
program
by
also
offering
subsidy
to
a
local
provider
that
we
kind
of
broke
heard
from
Cu
I'll
try
to
go
back
and
get
the
60%.
If
that's
what
makes
it
happen?
50%.
Sorry,
sorry!
But
that's
those
things
come
together
and
I
hate
to
retract
back.
But
if
there's
some
direction
that
we
could
actually
try
to
take
that
extra
investment
that
we
outlined
to
get
the
e-bikes
going
this
fall.
That
would
be
what
I
made
even
trying
to
bring
together.
G
Yeah
I
think
you've
got
a
choice
between
supporting
B
cycle
or
supporting
a
commercial
venture.
We
obviously
want
to
support
B
cycle
ahead
of
that
it
does
kind
of
beg.
The
question,
though,
why
why
B
cycle
would
require
a
subsidy,
and
yet
others
would
come
in
here
and
spend
hundreds
of
thousands
or
millions
of
dollars
of
their
own
money
and
think
that
they're
gonna
make
a
profit,
so
you
do
have
to
start
running
the
math
there
and
sheet
and
say
our
are
those
businesses
crazy
is
B
cycle
run
inefficiently?
G
P
The
revenue
model
is
different
right.
The
data
piece
that's
embedded
into
that
conversation
is
key
and
Los
Angeles
is
going
through
a
legal
conversation
right
now
about
what
the
prorated
rate
is
for
the
data
that
they're
actually
gonna
decipher
from
those
systems
so
data
and
how
it's
applied
to
those
which
be
cycle
doesn't
you
saw
tonight
like
we
don't
track
all
the
data
within
B
cycle
and
those
other
for-profit
companies
are
not
out
there
for
a
transportation
function,
they're
out
there
for
a
data
function.
P
When
that
app
runs
on
your
phone
yeah,
so
M,
that's
right.
We
collects
a
whole
bunch
of
information
that
is
the
proprietary
part
not
to
its
proprietary.
It's
also
the
fundamental
part
of
why
they're
collecting
the
data
and
that's
why
B
cycle
locally
is
saying
this
is
transparently
and
we'll
keep
digging
on
it.
How
much
it
really
costs,
but
that's
why
it's
gonna
should
we
seem
like
it
costs
more,
so.
M
Was
basically
to
say
that
I
think
what
our
instructions
were
if
I
understood
the
first
part
of
evening
was,
do
what's
needed
to
preserve,
recycle
as
is
and
then
go
to
tab
and
talk
about
the
ebike
part
of
it
and
here
from
tab
and
bring
it
back
to
us
within
a
few
months.
But
this
other
set
of
changes
that
you're
talking
about
also
needs
to
go
through
tab
and
then
needs
to
come
back
to
us
and
so
I,
don't
think
one
necessarily
supplants
the
other.
M
They
may
be
part
of
the
same
kind
of
conversation,
because
what
be
cycle
will
do
will
have
access
to
the
data
and
will
understand
it,
and
it's
part
of
you
know
will
have
transparency
on
the
costs,
whereas
with
a
private
company
that
comes
in,
we
won't
have
transparency
on
the
data
or
the
costs,
and
so
they
may
be
doing
loss
later
kinds
of
stuff
they
may
be
doing.
You
know
they
may
be
charging
more
than
be.