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A
B
Buddy,
let's
get
started
with
our
Boulder
City
Council
study
session
of
January
22nd.
We
have
two
items
tonight
right,
just
two
and
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
Jane
I
guess.
One
thing
I
did
want
to
mention
to
my
colleagues
and
I'm
gonna:
do
better
about
writing
up
the
results
of
this,
but
I'm
going
I'm
leaving
tomorrow
to
go
to
DC
for
the
mayor's
innovation
project
conference
and
then
along
with
Karla
Castillo,
when
we'll
also
tack
on
a
day
of
lobbying
meeting
with
our
delegation.
B
B
D
E
F
She'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
methodology
and
some
of
the
interesting
findings
that
we
discovered
from
our
feedback
from
our
community
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
data
staff
is
really
digging
into
this
data
this
year
and
it's
important
to
us
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Not
only
does
it
show
us
where
we're
doing
well,
but
also
highlights
some
challenges
for
us,
we're
also
looking
at
it
through
an
equity
lens
a
little
bit
more
than
we
have
in
the
past.
F
There's
some
interesting
findings
there
we
feel
like
this
is
a
commitment
and
honors
the
commitment
that
we've
made
both
to
using
data
in
a
more
meaningful
way,
both
to
per
a
measure
performance
and
look
for
successes
that
we
should
be
celebrating
together
as
a
community
and
also
our
commitment
to
our
community
that
they
give
us
input
and
feedback.
We're
going
to
look
at
that
and
use
it
in
a
meaningful
way.
So
we're
excited
for
your
questions
this
evening.
The
memo
we'll
start
with
a
brief
presentation.
G
Thanks
so
much
Sarah,
as
Sarah
said,
I'm
Dammam
Amman
with
national
research
center,
and
this
is
the
second
year
we've
conducted
the
National
citizen
survey
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Boulder,
but
we
have
been
working
with
the
city
of
Boulder
for
decades.
Actually,
National
Research
Center
is
based
here
in
Boulder,
and
the
city
decided
to
make
the
switch
to
our
standardized
Community
Survey
template
the
National
Citizen
survey
back
in
2016,
largely
because
of
the
opportunity
to
benchmark
against
other
comparison
communities.
G
The
level
of
standardization
of
the
survey
has
allowed
us
to
create
an
average
rating
for
each
item
on
the
survey.
A
standard
question
wording
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
the
reports.
This
time
around
or
from
2016
you'll,
see
that
we
organized
the
reporting
around
what
we've
defined
as
these
three
pillars
of
community
livability,
which
are
community
characteristics,
governance
and
participation
and
within
those
three
pillars
we
have
defined.
G
These
eight
facets,
if
you've
again,
if
you've
reviewed
the
reports
or
when
you
do
you'll
see
these
that
go
throughout
as
well
as
I
mentioned,
we've
been
working
with
with
Boulder
for
decades,
but
this
is
the
second
iteration
of
the
National
Citizen
survey,
which
provides
some
there's.
You
know
some
long-term
trends
over
time,
but
the
2016
and
2018
surveys
were
almost
identical,
both
in
terms
of
question
wording
and
question
scales.
So
there's
some
really
great
trend
data
to
observe
there.
G
Boulder
chose
us
to
have
an
expanded
sample
size
bigger
than
what
we
typically
recommend
and
it's
always
great
to
have
more
sample
size,
but
more
sample
size
basically
means
a
lower
margin
of
error.
So,
with
a
smaller
sample
size,
we
typically
get
to
about
a
plus
or
minus
5%
margin
of
error,
because
Boulder
expanded
the
overall
sample
size.
The
overall
margin
of
error
around
the
data
is
plus
or
minus
3%.
So
it's
a
higher
level
of
precision.
G
It
was
an
average
response
rate
that
we
typically
see
and
on
par
with
what
we
saw
in
the
past
other
options.
Besides
the
expanded
sample
we're
having
online
versions
of
the
survey
available.
Having
a
survey
available
in
Spanish,
we
broke
results
out
by
Geographic
comparisons
by
10
sub
area,
neighborhoods
of
Boulder,
also
by
demographic
characteristics,
and
also
in
addition
to
the
national
benchmarks
that
I
touched
upon.
G
Here's
just
a
rough
idea
to
give
you
kind
of
just
a
quick
snapshot
of
how
many
communities
are
in
our
national
benchmarking
database
and
the
coverage
there's
over
600.
In
that
here's,
a
snapshot
of
how
Boulder
did
compare
to
the
national
benchmarks,
those
average
ratings
we've
created
for
each
item
on
the
survey
we
have
intentionally
made
it
very
difficult
to
be
anything
other
than
similar
to
the
benchmark.
We've
put
a
wideband
around
those
benchmark
ratings.
It's
it's
10
points
and
the
reasoning
behind
that
is
to
try
and
make
your
results
as
actionable
as
possible.
G
G
This
was
quite
noticeable
that
all
of
these
different
aspects
as
they
relate
to
public
trust
and
city
government
increased
from
2016
to
2018.
It
was
a
statistically
significant
improvement
for
the
overall
direction
that
the
city
is
taking
the
job.
City
government
does
a
welcoming
citizen
involvement
overall
confidence
in
city
government,
acting
in
the
best
interest
of
Boulder
being
honest
and
in
gathering
feedback
from
residents.
So
it's
it's
notable
that
there
was.
You
know
about
a
handful
of
increases
and
the
majority
of
them
are
clustered
in
this.
One
area
can.
D
G
G
Here
are
those
eight
facets
of
community
livability
again,
and
this
honeycomb
is
from
the
liveability
report
and
it's
depicting
a
couple
of
different
things
here.
We
asked
a
stated
importance.
Question
on
the
survey
asking
residents
which
of
these
items
are
the
most
important
for
the
boulder
community
to
focus
on
in
the
next
two
years.
G
So
the
items
that
are
starred
are
the
items
that
came
out
as
being
rated
as
the
most
essential
or
very
important
by
Boulder
residents
of
natural
environment
and
education
and
enrichment,
and
the
dark
blue
items
mean
that
overall,
all
of
the
ratings
within
those
facets
tended
to
be
higher
than
the
benchmark.
The
lighter
blue
shade
means
that
overall
ratings
tended
to
be
similar
to
the
benchmark.
There's
none
of
that
lightest
blue
shade,
so
that
that
means
that
no
facets
overall
had
ratings
lower
than
the
benchmark.
G
It's
also
interesting
that
Boulder
is
one
of
the
few
communities
where
we
don't
see
safety
and
economy
coming
up
to
the
top
and
those
are
also
strong
facets
as
well.
But
it's
it's
interesting
that
Boulder
residents
have
slightly
different
priorities
and
what
we
typically
see
so
now
try
and
just
briefly
go
over
some
of
the
key
findings
from
the
community
livability
report.
The
first
is
that
Boulder
continues
to
be
a
great
place
to
live
and
visit
at
least
nine
and
ten
gave
excellent
or
good
ratings
to
the
overall
quality
of
life
in
the
city.
G
These
ratings
were
higher
than
the
benchmarks,
almost
all
majority
strong
majority,
giving
excellent
or
good
ratings
to
Boulder
as
a
place
to
visit
recreational
opportunities
and
fitness
opportunities.
Fitness
opportunities
were
number
ranked
number
one
in
the
nation.
Recreational
opportunities
were
ranked
number
two
in
the
nation.
Well,
there's
a
place
to
visit
was
number
eight
out
of
the
hundreds
of
communities
in
the
data
base
and
then
a
even
higher,
more
highly
ranked
when
looking
at
the
subsets
of
communities
for
the
custom
benchmarks.
G
The
next
key
finding
is
that
Boulder
delivers
on
natural
environment
residents,
select
that
as
one
of
the
most
important
community
focus
areas,
but
ratings
are
very
strong,
at
least
nine
and
10
residents,
giving
excellent
or
good
ratings
to
the
overall
natural
environment.
Preservation
of
natural
areas,
Boulder
open
space
city
parks.
Again
some
of
these
were
number
one
ratings
in
the
country.
Preservation
of
natural
areas
increased
that
rating
increased
from
2018
in
2018
from
2016,
and
it
was
number
one
in
the
nation.
G
G
Economy
ratings
were
we're
very
strong,
at
least
four
and
five,
giving
excellent
or
good
ratings
to
the
overall
economic,
health,
vibrant
downtown,
overall
quality
of
businesses
and
services
older
as
a
place
to
work
at
least
three
and
five,
giving
excellent
or
good
ratings
to
employment
opportunities
and
economic
development.
Also
at
least
three
and
five
reported
that
they
worked
in
Boulder.
These
ratings
were
all
higher
than
the
benchmarks
and
tended
to
be
stable
over
time.
G
Although
the
overall
economic
health
of
Boulder
did
slightly
decrease
in
2018
on
the
flip
side,
these
are
the
excellent
or
good
ratings
for
some
of
the
affordability
issues
in
Boulder,
only
nine
percent
saying
that
cost
of
living
was
excellent
or
good.
Eight
percent
saying
that
affordable
quality
housing
was
excellent
or
good.
19
percent
giving
excellent
or
good
ratings
to
the
availability
of
housing
options.
These
ratings
were
not
only,
they
remain
stable
from
2016
to
2018.
G
G
The
final
of
the
key
findings
from
the
community
livability
report
is
that
alternate
mode
travel
is
exceptional.
Although
automobile
travel
still
struggles,
Boulder
had
extremely
high
majority
of
folks
saying
that
they
had
used
public
transportation
instead
of
driving
and
that
they
walked
or
bike
instead
of
driving,
they
were
higher
than
the
norms
for
that
the
ratings
of
paths
and
walking
trails,
almost
all
rating-
that
as
excellent
or
good.
These
ratings
were
stable
over
time,
also
not
on
the
slide.
Rates
of
carpooling
was
up
we're
also
except
exceptionally
high
in
Boulder
and
among
the
highest.
G
G
G
This
question
is
kind
of
a
lot
of
data
to
have
on
the
slide
and
I
apologize
for
that.
But
this
this
question
was
asked
in
an
agreed
disagrees
scale.
It's
a
series
of
statements
and
asking
folks
to
agree
or
disagree.
There
is
a
neutral
midpoint,
neither
agree
nor
disagree.
So
a
majority
said
that
they
strongly
or
agreed
that
they
inform
themselves
about
major
issues
in
the
city
of
Boulder
and
that
they
felt
included
in
the
boulder
community
and
then
down
towards
the
bottom.
G
You
can
see
that
a
majority
said
they
neither
agreed
nor
disagreed
that
their
input
when
they
give
it
is
reflected
in
recommendations
to
council
and
other
city
leaders
or
the
City
Council
considers
their
input
before
making
the
most
decisions,
and
so
I
think
what's
telling
about
those
data
points.
Is
that
it's
you
know.
We
know
that
the
average
resident
isn't
giving
direct
input.
So
I
think
that's
what
that
neither
agree
nor
disagree
or
reflects
there.
G
It's
not
that
when
they
give
it,
it's
not
they're
not
being
heard
it's
it's
that
they're
they're
not
likely
not
giving
it
at
all.
So
if
we
want
to
continue
this
question,
we
already
discussed
perhaps
changing
that
on
the
next
survey,
to
try
and
maybe
first
see
how
many
people
said
that
they
have
tried
to
tried
that
level
of
contact
do.
D
G
For
this
question,
because
it
was
one
of
the
custom
questions,
we
do
ask
a
couple
of
questions
that
have
to
do
with
rates
of
contact
on
the
survey
that
we
have
benchmarks.
For
so
I
could
take
a
look
at
those.
We
asked
if
folks
have
I
believe
we
asked
if
they've
watched
a
meeting
online
and
if
they've
attended
a
meeting
and
if
they've
contacted
a
city
official.
So
we
could
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
how
that
compared.
G
G
So
just
quickly
wanted
to
highlight
some
challenges
and
potential
opportunities
for
improvement.
That
Sarah
had
highlighted
these
in
her
staff
report
as
well.
In
terms
of
equity,
I
mentioned
one
of
the
additional
reports
that
Boulder
selected
was
the
demographic
subgroup
comparison
report
and
that
broke
results
out
by
some
of
the
socio
demographic
items
on
the
survey,
one
of
which
was
breaking
out
residents
that
said
that
they
were
Hispanic
and
or
any
other
races
versus
those.
G
That
said,
they
were
white
alone,
and
what
one
of
the
patterns
that
we
saw
was
that
residents
that
indicated
that
they
were
Hispanic
and/or,
any
other
race
did
tend
to
give
statistically
significant,
lower
ratings
to
many
items
like
employment
opportunities,
shopping
opportunities,
participating
in
community
matters,
social
events
and
activities,
the
ability
to
start
or
grow
a
business,
the
government
being
honest,
openness
and
acceptance
of
their
communities,
some
public
safety
items-
and
you
know
obviously
these
are.
These-
are
important
issues.
Boulder
I
can
tell
you
anecdotally.
G
This
is
also
not
something
we
do
a
benchmark
on,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
Boulder
is
not
alone
in
seeing
that
non-white
residents
are
giving
lower
ratings.
To
many
things
than
white
residents,
but
it
certainly
doesn't
mean
that
Boulder
couldn't
be.
You
know
the
first
one
to
be
successful
at
moving
that
needle
and
changing
it.
So
definitely
something
interesting
to
dig
into
another
had
to
do
with
some
of
the
safe
ratings.
Overall
safety
ratings
and
safety
services
were
positive,
almost
all
indicated
that
they
felt
safe
in
their
neighborhoods
and
in
downtown
Boulder.
G
G
Those
rates
were
all
still
similar
to
the
benchmarks,
though
they
weren't
they
weren't
lower
than
in
other
communities.
So,
just
to
wrap
up
what
I've
got
here
overall,
you
know:
Boulder
continues
to
be
a
great
place
to
visit
and
live
natural
environment
ratings
are
extremely
high,
and
it's
also
clear
that
that's
very
valued
by
residents
the
economy
is
strong,
but
then,
on
the
flip
side
it
poses
those
challenges
to
community
affordability.
G
F
Thanks
to
meme',
so
that
was
a
quick
run
through
you
do
have
much
more
detailed
information
in
the
reports.
That's
part
of
your
memo,
but
we
did
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity,
while
the
memo
was
here.
First
of
all,
if
you
had
any
sort
of
technical
questions
or
specific
questions
about
the
data
that
you'd
like
to
ask
her.
Otherwise
we
can
move
into
more
general
questions
and
observations
that
you
might
like
to
make.
H
G
We
do
statistically
wait
the
data,
so
it's
a
it's
a
multi-step
process.
First,
when
we're
creating
the
mail
sample,
all
households
within
those
ten
sub
areas
of
Boulder
are
eligible
to
be
part
of
the
randomly
selected
survey.
We
take
a
look
at
the
split
of
multifamily
and
single-family
homes,
an
intentionally
slightly
over
sample
of
multifamily
units
in
in
the
sampling
process,
and
that's
an
attempt
to
help
address
some
of
the
non-response
bias.
G
We
see
in
surveys
like
these,
then
when
we
get
the
data
back,
we
look
at
the
most
recent
census,
data
available
for
the
city
of
Boulder
and
then
scientifically
weight
the
data
back
to
that,
as
as
much
as
we
can
without
applying
any
weights
that
are
too
high,
and
there
is
detail
if
there's
a
waiting
table
in
the
technical
appendices
report,
but
I
believe
we
were
able
to
to
weight
it
well
to
make
it
as
representative
of
the
community
as
possible
without
needing
to
apply
you
know,
overly
high
weights
or
anything
along
those
lines.
Thank.
H
F
Do
actually
I
have
some
talking
points
here
we
were
able
to
look
at
that
survey.
Those
survey
results
over
the
weekend.
We
had
241
residents
complete
that
surveys
compared
to
the
12
hundred
or
so
who
completed
this
survey.
Approximately
10
percent
of
those
responses
were
based
on
intentional
engagement,
team
outreach
to
community
members
and
less
connected
communities.
We
use
to
partner
organizations
fo
and
BHP
to
help
us
so
I've
got
about
24
extra
responses.
F
Because
of
that,
those
who
responded
to
the
opt-in
survey
were
more
likely
to
have
lived
in
Boulder
for
a
longer
period
of
time,
more
likely
to
have
lived
in
single-family
homes,
be
homeowners,
be
age,
35
or
older,
or
to
be
female.
Overall
they
were
less
diverse.
Interestingly,
the
rates
of
lower-income
respondents
were
similar
between
the
optin
survey
and
the
scientific
survey.
The
optin
survey.
Just
for
folks
who
don't
realize
this,
it
was
online
near
the
end
of
the
of
the
response
period
for
the
statistically
valid
survey,
which
is
what
our
consultants
had
recommended.
F
We
do
to
try
to
provide
duplicate
response,
I'm
trying
to
eliminate
duplicate
responses.
The
opt-in
survey
participants
responded
with
much
higher
rankings
than
the
scientific
survey
participants
in
two
areas
accessing
information
sources
to
obtain
info
about
community
events,
so
they're,
obviously
pretty
comfortable
looking
on
the
website
and
looking
at
technical
places
where
they
can
get
information
and
they're.
F
F
The
areas
where
there
was
no
statistically
significant
difference
had
to
do
with
these
priority
areas
of
education
and
enrichment,
recreation
and
wellness
and
natural
and
built
environment.
But
what
this
tells
me
is
that
the
statistically
valid
survey
in
doing
that
survey
for
this
type
of
a
community-wide
polling
and
sent
sentiment
type
gathering
is
really
valuable
because
we
were
getting
people
who
might
have
who
did
have
a
different
perspective
than
folks
who
are
participating
with
us
regularly
online.
F
F
C
F
You
said
that
you
did,
it
was
on
the
city
website.
It
was
on
the
be
heard
Boulder
page,
even
though
it
wasn't
a
survey
built
in
that
tool.
We
put
a
link
to
the
page
and
I
believe
it
was
in
the
press
release
and
our
colleagues
and
communications
pushed
it
out
on
social
media
during
the
time
window
that
it
was
open.
Okay,.
C
G
C
J
Wouldn't
you
say:
you're
gonna
be
digging
into
this
I'm
just
kind
of
curious.
This
is
more
in
the
weeds
here,
but
some
of
the
data
showed
from
the
non-white
respondents
there
I
guess
felt
like
they
had
longer
wait
times
for
mr
and
ambulance
services
and
and
things
like
that
and
I'm
curious
when
you're
digging
in
are
you
gonna,
be
working
the
police
and
a.m.
are.
J
You
know
that
keep
records
of
everything
and
so
I'd
be
kind
of
curious
to
see
how
the
recorded
data
aligns
with
their
feeling
versus
the
recorded
data
for
white
residents
and
their
feeling.
So
is
there
data
showing
that
they
are
receiving
longer
wait
times?
Then
you
know
white
residents
are.
Are
you
guys
gonna
be
looking
at
things
like
that?
So.
F
We
presented
this
information,
these
findings
to
all
the
department
directors
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
now
and
we've
encouraged
them
to
look
at
the
reports
and
dive
into
their
particular
data.
I
know
the
police
department,
for
example,
when
they
got
the
perception
sistex
back
about
people,
saying
that
they
were
reporting,
crimes
and
feeling
victimized
or
had
witnessed
crimes
more.
They
went
back
to
check,
felony,
filings
and
sure
enough.
E
Yes,
if
there
are
particular
thing
items
that
council
is
interested
in
looking
at
then
raising
them
now
or
sending
me
a
list,
then
I
can
get
them
to
the
department
directors.
They
can
have
their
people
look
into
it
and
we
can
get
it
back
to
Council.
In
fact,
I'm
writing
down
the
one
that
Mirabai
just
brought
up.
Thank.
C
G
For
the
National
Citizen
survey
for
the
Spanish
translation,
we
do
have
we've
gotten
the
template
translated
and
then
for
Baldur's
custom
questions
or
if
there
are
any
specific
language
items
that
were
specific
to
Boulder,
then
we
then
we
get
those
done
on
a
case
by
case
basis
and
and
brought
in,
and
then
the
city
does
have
a
chance
to
review
it.
Typically,
we
don't
get
edits
when
we
work
with
other
with
communities
just
broadly,
but
sometimes
we've
worked
with
communities
and
other
parts
of
the
country,
and
they
say
you
know
this.
G
K
I
So
I
had
a
question
about
air
quality
and
that
there
was
a
it's
like
decreasing.
People's
thoughts
about
air
quality
and
I
was
wondering
when
the
survey
was
done
and
had
the
new
air
quality
analyses
come
out
with
respect
to
the
amount
of
fracking
and
everything
that's
happening
in
Boulder
County
having
overall,
not
such
high
air
quality.
Well,.
G
B
H
H
M
We
I'm
sorry
Bill,
Cowher
and
I'm
your
principal
traffic
engineer
don't
actually
track
travel,
we
track
travel
times
every
three
years.
Okay
and
then
we
track
traffic
counts
every
year
in
a
cordon
around
the
city
and
internal
to
the
city,
and
it's
a
combination
of
those
two
metrics
that
we
use
to
assess
performance,
car
city.
So.
M
M
H
B
F
So
the
final
question
is
that
we
and
analyzing
the
priorities
and
the
work
plan
discussion
you
had
just
on
Friday
night
staff
feels
like
we
have
quite
a
few
work
plan
items
that
address
the
feedback
we
received
on
the
survey.
We
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
council
either
concurred
with
that
assessment
or
could
point
us
to
unaddressed
data
points
that
you'd,
like
staff,
to
do
more
analysis
and
work
planning
around.
F
Okay,
great,
we
have
some
great
work
ahead
of
us,
we'll
be
very
curious
to
see
how
the
numbers
roll
out
in
2020,
which
is
the
next
time
we'll
do
the
survey
and
obviously
we'll
have
some
opportunity
actually
quite
a
bit
of
opportunity
to
get
community
feedback
on
how
we're
doing
between
now
and
then.
Thank
you
and.
A
E
So
the
next
item
is
our
study
session
on
the
hill
hotel
and
earlier
today,
at
the
council
agenda
committee
counsel
asked
that
we
start
off
with
a
little
bit
of
background
regarding
how
we
even
came
to
be
working
on
a
hotel
and
I
asked
a
vet
Bowden
to
present
that
for
me
as
we
kick
it
off.
So
a
bet
good.
N
So
the
conversation
about
hill
revitalization
has
been
going
on
for
many
years.
Most
recently
in
2015
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
council
conversation
about
the
hill.
There
was
a
concern
about
development
and
revitalization
and
whose
living
and
working
and
visiting
the
hill
there
was
a
temporary
moratorium
put
in
place
at
that
time
on
development,
particularly
residential
development,
with
an
exception
of
course
of
and
David
can
speak
more
to
this
later
of
affordable
housing.
But
there
was
an
overall
consensus
that
improvements
were
needed
in
the
hill
corridor.
N
There
have
been
conversations
ongoing
and
there
are
members
in
the
audience
tonight
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
The
reason
we're
here
this
evening
is
a
follow-up
to
a
conversation
you
had
in
the
fall
to
specifically
talk
about
this
partnership
proposal,
this
catalytic
considered
project
in
the
hill
hotel
in
the
hill
area,
which
would
include
a
hotel
project.
The
partnership
is
being
considered
because
it
specifically
utilizes
city-owned
property
in
the
pleasant
street
lot.
N
Other
efforts
in
the
hill
are
always
ongoing
and
considered,
and
this
evening
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
by
Sarah
we've
been
sitting
from
vitality
and
Joel
Wagner
from
central
finance.
There
are
members
in
the
audience
from
you,
can't
see
the
hill
reimbursement
working
group,
the
property
owner
and
development
team
representatives.
Thanks
for
your
attention,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Sarah.
So.
E
So
actually,
event,
I'm
gonna
jump
in
sure.
At
this
point
and
say
some
things
that
I
said
at
the
council
agenda
committee
meeting.
So
the
question
was:
how
did
the
I?
How
did
the
idea
of
a
hotel
ever
come
up
and
the
implication
that
we've
heard
from
some
in
our
community
is
that
some
House
staff
generated
this
idea.
That
is
not
accurate.
E
This
came
up
when
a
developer
or
owners
of
the
property
approached
our
staff
in
the
2015
timeframe,
I
believe
and
suggested
that
this
would
be
an
appropriate
use
whenever
an
owner
or
developer
comes
to
our
staff.
We
always
listen
to
them
and
work
with
them
to
to
address
the
question
that
they
have
and
to
address
a
development
proposal
that
they
put
before
us,
and
so
that's
what
we
did
in
this
circumstance.
So
the
clarification
that
I
think
CAC
asked
us
to
give
to
Council
in
the
community.
N
O
I'm
gonna
run
very
quickly
through
some
slides
that
just
explain
to
Jane
and
Yvette's
points
the
background
of
the
proposal,
especially
for
viewers
watching
at
home,
starting
with
the
University
Hill
general
Improvement
District.
You
can
see
at
the
north
end
of
the
site.
That's
the
area
that
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight,
but
this
is
generally
located
at
the
intersection
of
Broadway
and
University
Avenue
extending
southward.
This
is
the
the
University
Hill
general
Improvement
District,
which
was
formed
and
not
the
1970s
to
provide
parking
for
the
district.
O
There
is
a
University
Hill
commercial
area,
Management
Commission,
which
was
formed
to
advise
Council
on
matters
related
to
the
district.
But
the
council
is
the
board
of
directors
for
the
district
itself
and
when
the
Hilary
investment
strategy
was
formed
in
2014,
one
of
the
mandates
was
to
create
an
umbrella
governance
structure,
to
craft
ways
to
find
mutually
beneficial
solutions
to
pursuing
the
hill
reinvestment
strategy,
and
that's
the
Hilary
Investment
working
group,
so
we'll
be
referring
to
those
different
entities
throughout
the
presentation.
O
In
2014,
the
council
named
the
Hilary
investment
strategy
as
a
priority
with
the
goal
of
improving
quality
of
life
on
the
hill
for
its
visitors
residents
and
businesses.
Progress
with
the
initiative
has
included
a
temporary
development
warrant,
aureum
that
resulted
in
a
district
study
and
a
change
in
zoning
to
no
longer
allow
new
residential
uses
that
are
market
rate.
This
did
result
in
successfully
attracting
more
office
users.
O
O
Since
the
start
of
the
Hillary
investment
strategy,
staff
has
reached
out
to
the
broker
community
to
ask
whether
these
typical,
an
anchor
uses
would
come
to
the
hill,
and
the
answer
has
largely
been
that
the
district
does
not
have
sufficient
foot
traffic
to
meet
the
selection
criteria
for
those
types
of
tenants
in
2015.
The
city
did
receive
a
proposal
from
a
developer
that
would
leverage
the
youjin
Pleasant
Street
lot.
O
One
of
the
identified
catalyst
sites
to
assemble
a
large
enough
parcel
to
construct
a
hotel
use
with
the
potential
to
bring
in
200
users
a
day
to
the
hill
commercial
district.
A
hotel
use
they
indicated
would
create
its
own
foot
traffic
and
provide
a
captive
audience
for
the
hills,
existing
shopping
and
dining
businesses.
The
hotel
operator
would
be
sage
hospitality
and
they
have
a
representative
here
tonight
which
has
constructed
similar
projects
and
university
towns
such
as
the
Elizabeth
Hotel
in
Fort
Collins,
which
is
pictured
here.
O
At
the
September
meeting
staff
was
sorry.
Council
have
reviewed
an
initial
concept
for
the
partnership
in
which
the
city
would
lease
the
Pleasant
Street
lot
into
the
land
assemblage
in
exchange
for
being
able
to
construct
a
200
space
parking
garage
beneath
the
assemblage.
The
purse
base
cost
of
the
garage,
however,
as
he
that
mentioned,
was
much
higher
than
average,
both
because
it
was
underground
and
because
it
was
on
an
irregularly
shaped
site.
O
There
was
also
a
desire
to
assist
the
existing
tenants
with
remaining
on
the
hill
Council
requested
that
staff
returned
with
additional
information
and
asked
that
the
developer
consider
several
requests.
Since
the
September
meeting,
the
developer
has
provided
a
written
commitment
to
each
of
these
requests,
namely
a
penalty
for
early
sale
of
the
project,
creating
and
administering
a
transportation
demand
management
program,
providing
student
employment
opportunities
in
the
new
hotel
and
creating
a
tenant
relocation
assistance
fund.
O
Since
the
September
meeting,
staff
has
also
continued
to
provide
regular
email
updates
to
tenants
and
maintained
a
database
of
each
of
the
tenants.
Relocation
needs
understanding
that
the
details
of
each
tenant,
relocation
plans
and
their
financial
considerations
are
not.
Public
staff
was
asked
for
an
order
of
magnitude
to
demonstrate
the
ability
of
the
district
to
absorb
the
potentially
displaced
tenants.
O
The
existing
businesses
are
in
spaces
that
range
from
500
to
2,000
square
feet
with
rents
that
range
from
$14
per
square
foot
to
$28
per
square
foot
triple
net
of
the
four
tenants
that
varying
sizes
that
indicated
to
the
city
that
they
would
like
to
remain
on
the
hill.
If
the
project
were
to
proceed
today,
there's
14,000
square
feet
of
available
space
in
the
district,
which
would
be
sufficient
to
accommodate
their
relocation.
O
Its
staffs
understanding
that
some
of
the
rents
that
are
currently
available
in
the
historic
core
are
within
the
same
range
as
the
current
rents
at
fifteen
to
seventeen
dollars
per
square
foot
triple
net.
As
far
as
relocation
cost
the
developer's
relocation
assistance
fund
would
aid
those
tenants
efforts
to
remain
on
the
hill.
O
After
the
September
council
meeting
staff
was
asked
to
provide
additional
information
on
parking
demand
in
the
district
to
better
understand
the
need
for
a
parking
garage.
If,
at
all,
the
city
commissioned
a
parking
study
in
November
and
the
results
are
in
your
packet.
These
were
also
provided
to
you,
Camp
C,
for
their
input
on
how
to
best
proceed.
You
camp
C
suggested
that
the
city
sell
the
Pleasant
street
lot,
since
it
was
not
performing
well
as
a
revenue
generator
or
in
the
right
location
to
attract
high
turnover
customer
parking
at
its
quarterly
meeting.
O
P
You
good
evening,
Council
again,
my
name
is
Joel
Wagner
I'm
tax
and
special
projects
manager
for
the
city.
Excuse
me:
I
seem
to
be
Lisa
losing
my
voice,
but
because
we're
looking
for
counsels,
guidance,
I,
don't
have
a
lot
to
say
so.
Hopefully
it
stays
so
the
revised
proposal
for
the
from
the
hill
Hotel
partnership
and
that's
presented
to
Council
on
the
memo.
It
significantly
reduces
the
city,
investment
in
public
improvements,
the
twenty
two
million
dollar
garage
and
associated
COP
issuance
and
interest
costs.
P
Costs
has
been
eliminated
and
essentially
replaced
by
the
development
teams
request
for
a
three
million
dollars
to
fund
the
public
improvements
at
the
site,
if
funded
out
of
the
accommodations
tax
staff,
estimates
that
it
would
take
about
three
to
five
years
of
tax
revenues
to
pay
for
the
entire
amount.
If
the
entire
amount
of
taxes
were
dedicated
to
the
repayment.
D
Long
as
we
ones
we
interrupted
you
and
is
there
a
legal
or
financial
reason
why
we
wouldn't
take
the
pleasant
street
proceeds
and
use
those
to
pay
for
the
improvements.
I
know
that
it's
not
what
the
hell
working
group
recommended,
but
is
there
a
reason
from
staff
why
we
wouldn't
simply
take
the
money
and
move
it
around
the
corner?
Well,.
Q
I
Q
D
D
Good
could
could
the
accommodations
tax
be
used
to
fund
parking,
I
know
that
goes
from
to
our
general
fund,
but
we
can
always
bring
general
fund
money
into
huge.
It
right.
I
know
so
so
I'm
money's
fungible,
but
we
could
we
determined
that
was
a
parking
need
down
the
road.
We
could
take
some
of
that
accommodations
tax
from
that's
generated
by
them.
If
there
is
a
new
hotel
towards
parking.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay,
thanks
right.
P
Just
just
like
during
the
original
proposal,
the
general
fund
would
be
paying
the
co
P
payments
for
most
of
the
the
30
years
that
money
could
be
moved
so
so
the
center
point
of
the
revised
proposal
that
we're
seeking
councils
guidance
for
tonight
is
whether
council
is
supported
of
selling
the
pleasant
street
lot
to
the
development
team
based
on
the
development
teams
offer
and
internal
estimates.
We
think
the
market
values
between
three
million
and
four
and
a
half
million
dollars.
P
If
council
direct
staff
to
proceed,
we
would
hire
an
independent
appraiser
to
come
up
to
value
that
that
land
and
come
up
with
a
price
for
negotiation.
We're
also
seeking
council
guidance
on
whether
council
wishes
to
use
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
to
support
those
public
improvements
on
the
site
or
recommended
by
the
Hilary
Investment
working
group
reinvest
those
proceeds
in
the
14th
Street
parking
lot.
P
So
it's
disgusting,
the
memo,
the
to
surface
Lots
generate
approximately
one
hundred
seventy
six
thousand
dollars
in
revenues
for
ujin.
The
Pleasant
Street
lot
is
about
a
little
less
than
half
of
that
and
to
put
it
in
perspective,
the
street
meters
makeover
generate
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
revenue.
For
for
you,
Jake,
the
council
has
asked
for
for
about
the
long-term
financial
sustainability
of
ujin,
so
we
would
reduce
the
revenue
from
the
Pleasant
Street
lock,
but
that
would
be
offset
by
increased.
P
You
did
property
taxes
through
the
mill
levy
and
would
also
be
offset
by
reduced
operating
and
maintenance
costs.
It
wouldn't
necessarily
be
a
pro
rata
share.
But
again,
if
council
asks
us
to
proceed,
we
would
come
back
with
specific
analysis
of
the
you
did.
Financial
sustainability
based
on
counsels
input
tonight.
H
P
P
C
Q
Yes,
you
can,
you
know
this
kind
of
goes
into
the
comments
that
I
was
gonna
make
later,
but
maybe
I'll
just
make
them
right
now.
So
a
general
general
Improvement
District
is
basically
another
governmental
d
and
as
such,
it
has
the
power
to
tax,
and
it
does
so
there
is.
There
are
property
taxes
that
are
imposed
within
ujin
on
the
YouTube
property
owners.
Those
funds
have
to
be
used
for
ujin
purposes
and
in
the
memo
I
laid
out.
What
the
purpose
is
for
you
to
is
on
page
176,
so
yeah
they're
they're
imposed
differently.
Q
They
have
to
be
spent
differently
and
then
I
guess.
The
last
thing
that
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
the
governance
of
the
city
of
Boulder
and
the
governance
of
ujin
look
very
similar
because
the
council
acts
as
the
board
of
directors
of
ujin.
But
when
you
were
acting
on
behalf
of
you,
Jed
you're
wearing
a
different
hat
than
your
city
of
Boulder
hat
and
you're.
You
know
you
have
a
fiduciary
obligation
in
that
case
to
the
taxpayers
within
the
general
Improvement
District.
C
So
the
reason
that
I
ask
that
is
because
I
inquired
about
reducing
the
mill
levy
in
the
cajon
district
and
was
told
that
it
could
not
be
done
without
reducing
it
across
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
heard
this
from
the
city
attorney's
department,
so
I
was
just
curious
about
that.
It's
yeah
thing
to
hear
otherwise.
Yeah.
Q
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
that
advice
would
be
based
upon,
although
I
am
guessing
that
it's
because
Cajon
has
outstanding
bonds
and
we
pledge
the
revenues
from
the
tax
to
pay.
The
bonds
off
and
I
think
that
there
are.
There
are
generally
bond
covenants.
That
say,
you
will
not
reduce
taxes
until
you
get
the
bonds
paid
off,
but
although.
C
C
P
At
all,
and
just
to
be
clear,
what
we're
talking
about
here
as
far
as
increase
in
mill
levy
revenues
is,
is
not
increasing
the
mills
or
the
number
of
mills,
it's
just
from
the
development
of
a
new
hotel
and
the
resulting
increase
in
property
value
on
the
site.
Yeah.
Sorry,
if
I
wasn't
clear
about
that,
increasing.
C
P
I
If
so,
yeah
I
can
talk
about
so
on
the
pit,
why
don't
you
tell
us
what
that
a
plant
investment
fee
I
asked
a
question
and
thank
you
for
answering
whether
that
would
apply
just
to
the
retail
in
the
hotel
or
if
that
would
apply
just
to
the
hill,
and
you
said
it's
just
to
the
retail
in
hill
I
mean
in
hotel.
So
how
much
does
how
does
that
affect
like
a
customer?
Does
that
mean
the
goods
at
that
retail
are
gonna,
be
more
expensive
than
elsewhere
right.
P
P
I
wasn't
intending
it
was
in
the
memo
discussing
the
memo,
so
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
it
now,
so
public
improvement
fee
is
has
been
proposed
by
the
developer
as
a
way
of
helping
close
the
gap,
and
it
is
a
yes,
it
is
pretty
specific
and
the
developer
would
would
set
that
rate.
We
have
representatives
from
the
development
team.
They
could
talk
about
that,
but
if
counsel
directs
us
to
proceed,
we'll
do
some
additional
analysis
on
that.
It
is
a
fee
on
sales.
P
Typically
around
Colorado
these
these
range
between
a
half
a
percent
and
I've,
seen
two
percent
at
the
high
end.
It's
pretty
like
what
uses
a
lot
of
them
for
Colin's.
It
has
used
it's
relatively
common
way
and
it
does
to
answer
your
question.
It
would
increase
the
ticket
sale
of
whatever
somebody
is
purchasing
and
it
is
not
a
tax.
So
it's
actually
the
city
would
tax
the
total
cost
of
that
those
goods
that
were
sold
so.
P
D
P
D
P
O
Then
we'll
go
straight
to
the
questions
which
staff
has
broken
out
into
two
parts.
The
first
question
is
the
most
fundamental
to
whether
the
project
would
proceed
and
the
second
question
and
the
options
presented
within
that
are
only
relevant
if
counsel
wishes
to
proceed
with
the
first
question,
it's
worth,
noting
that
any
approval
of
proceeding
with
the
sale
of
the
property
does
not
constitute
any
sort
of
approval
for
the
project.
O
So
on
the
first
question,
does
counsel
wish
to
enable
the
project
to
move
forward
by
selling
the
Pleasant
street
surface
parking
lot
for
a
fair
market
value
Joe
Joel
mentioned
earlier.
That
would
mean
directing
staff
to
Commission
an
independent
appraisal
of
the
property
to
establish
its
fair
market
value.
In
the
second
question,
if
you
agree
to
question
one,
then
we
would
ask
whether
you
wish
to
enable
the
project
to
move
forward
by
funding
the
public
approve
ins
through
either
of
the
following
alternatives.
O
The
first,
which
has
been
discussed
is
by
reinvesting
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
of
Pleasant
street
into
those
public
improvements
or
alternative
B,
which
was
reinvesting
portion
or
all
of
the
accommodations
tax
generated
by
the
new
hotel
for
a
certain
limited
time.
If
directed
to
proceed,
staff
would
prepare
analysis
and
add
additional
information
for
council
consideration
for
either
of
those
scenarios,
and
this
was
the
slide.
We
mentioned
that
as
far
as
reinvesting
accommodations
tax,
we
have
projected
out
the
same
incremental
cash
flow
over
the
30
year
case
and
I.
P
You're
welcome,
so
the
accomodations
and
sales
tax
numbers
that
are
above
are
the
same.
That
was
presented
to
Council
following
the
September
meeting
and
request
for
additional
information,
but
we
we
stripped
out
the
other
impacts
to
more
to
better
align
with
the
revised
concept,
which
is
the
three
million
dollar
investment
and
repayment
through
accommodations
tax.
We
did
leave
sales
taxes
in
there.
P
The
general
fund
portion
to
show
that,
because
the
retail
square
footage
of
that
site
is
reduced,
there
is
an
impact
to
sales
tax,
but,
as
you
can
see
it's
more
than
offset
by
the
accommodations
tax
and
then
to
the
to
the
question
of
when
the
general
fund
would
be
repaid.
Assuming
a
hundred
percent
of
the
accommodations
tax
were
essentially
dedicated
to
refill,
it
would
occur
here.
You
can
see
between
years
five
and
seven,
and
that
includes
two
years
where
the
property
is
being
redeveloped
and
not
generating
any
tax
revenue.
But.
D
Just
to
be
clear,
this
is
relevant
only
if
we
decide
not
to
reinvest
the
sale
of
the
Pleasant
Street
lot
on
the
public
amenities
and
instead
park
that
money
someplace
and
then
take
the
accommodations
tax,
that's
generated
by
this
hotel
and
repay
ourselves
correct.
If
we
don't
do
that,
then
we
don't
have
to
pay
attention.
This
correct
got
it
so.
P
B
B
I
Have
some
questions
and
I
put
some
out
today
and
I
thank
Mary
Ann
Mahoney
for
getting
me
the
hotel
data
and
Thank
You
Joel
for
answering,
but
you
weren't
able
to
answer
a
lot
of
them.
The
question
I
mean
you
answered
them
all,
but
they're
all
dependent
on
the
developer
and
I
guess.
My
question
is:
has
there
been
an
independent
third-party
financial
analyses
of
what's
being
proposed.
I
When
you
look
at
what
this
feasibility
gap
is
that's
something
that
the
developer
came
up
with
right,
and
so
we
haven't
had
an
independent
analyses
to
determine
whether
that
feasibility
gap
of
six
million
dollars
is
actually
correct
and,
as
I
understand
it,
that
particular
number
is
quite
sensitive
to
what
you're
going
to
how
the
development
can
happen.
So
usually
I
was
told.
I
Usually
a
third
party
independent
financial
analyses
is
done
and
that
usually
cost
between
ten
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
and
is
usually
paid
for
by
the
developer,
but
is
an
independent
from
the
developer,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
before
we
can
really
go
forward,
we
need
some
basic
questions
that
would
be
answered
by
independent
third
party
analyst.
That
is
not
the
city
and
is
not
the
developer.
And
so
it's
very
difficult
for
me
to
move
forward
with
the
scenarios
without
knowing
how
that
gap
was
determined
and.
P
I
Usually
it's
paid
for
by
the
developer,
not
by
the
municipality.
It's
my
understanding,
so
I
really
need
to
have
that
gap
defined
and
how
that
gap
was
defined.
I
need
to
better
understand
and
it's
just
thrown
in
there
and
a
bunch
of
numbers,
and
it's
like
oh
look,
we're
six
million
dollars
short,
but
there's
no
real
definition
of
what
that
gap
is
and
how
its
defined.
H
So
at
least
I
certainly
get
your
point
about
the
utility
of
having
a
third-party
validation
of
that
yeah
but
conceivably.
We
could
move
forward
and
say
assuming
these
numbers
work
out
similar
to
this
I
mean.
Maybe
the
city
contribution
only
needs
to
be
2.4
million
or
maybe
needs
to
be
3.2
million.
We
could
come
back,
that's
fair,
but
the
option
of
moving
forward
while
doing
some
additional
validation
as
part
of
the
problems.
L
L
I
In
also
I'm
still
interested
in
looking
at
other
options
and
I
recognize,
the
developer
doesn't
have
to
do
those
other
options,
but
I'm
very
much
interested
in
an
idea
that
we
got
today
about
maybe
doing
a
rape,
X
and
then
doing
something.
You
know
with
the
food
court
and
stuff
and
then
having
middle-income
housing
on
a
second
third
fourth
floor,
and
so
I'd
like
to
know
the.
I
B
B
Think
some
of
the
tenants
in
this
you
know
of
the
solution
have
to
do
with
increasing
foot
traffic,
alright
and
year-round
foot
traffic,
because
the
student
population
provides
a
lot
of
foot
traffic,
but
only
for
a
portion
of
the
year
and
it
the
businesses
struggle
when
the
students
are
gone,
and
so
that
was
a
core
element
that
we
need
to
address
and
whatever
we
do
is
year
round
increase
foot
traffic,
so
housing
on
that
site
doesn't
get
us
there.
Well.
I
B
Talking
orders
of
magnitude
so
so
anyhow,
I
think
that
that
there's
a
lot
of
housing
around
the
hill,
and
that
idea
is
that
we
have
this
small
node
we're
talking
about,
and
you
know
how
we
were
just
talking
last
week.
How
do
we
keep
our
neighborhood
nodes
vital
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
put
a
moratorium
on
student
housing
on
the
bookstore?
Was
we
need
to
preserve
enough
of
the
area
as
retail
in
order
for
it
to
operate,
as
is
a
help?
So
as
we
look
at
what
is
the
hotel,
the
right
solution?
B
I
think
these
are
things
we
have
to
think
about
is
replacing.
We
have
some
retail
there
now
the
retail
is
all
struggling
because
it
needs
more
foot
traffic.
So
if
we
do
a
ray
back,
it's
just
adding
more
retail.
It
doesn't
necessarily
help
the
existing
businesses
get
more
food
track.
It
just
foot
traffic,
it
just
adds
competition.
So
I
guess,
as
we
think
about,
is
this
the
right
solution.
It
needs
to
hit
those
so.
B
N
Thanks
for
your
question,
the
hill
reinvestment
working
group
and
you
can
see
are,
can
always
considering,
as
well
as
the
neighborhood
other
things
and
I
think
there
have
been
some
efforts,
including
the
communities
investment
in
with
councils
direction
on
the
event
Street,
but
I
think
the
approach
has
been
to
look
at
all
of
the
things
that
come
to
the
table,
and
this
is
the
one
that
has
come
to
the
table
as
it
relates
to
this
site.
Earlier
Lisa
you
mentioned
that
you
know.
N
Could
we
just
look
at
something
else,
as
it
relates
to
a
pleasant
as
an
alternative?
One
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
point
out
is
the
reason
this
is
all
kind
of
bundled
together
is
to
achieve
this
project.
The
staff
has
not
approached
another
anchor
use
of
Pleasant
Street
in
and
of
itself
for
other
purposes,
and
nothing
has
been
brought
to
our
attention
in
the
time
frame.
We
discussed
earlier
in
the
presentation.
No.
K
Okay,
so
so
that
would
be
something
that
I
think
would
be
worth
looking
at
is
something
on
the
pleasant
street
lots
didn't
they
perhaps
something
like
what
Lisa
described
is
because,
as
I
understand
it,
the
new
zoning
that
was
put
into
place
after
the
student
housing
moratorium
was
for
affordable
housing
and,
and
it
couldn't
be
honest
on
the
ground
floor,
so
it
would
have
to
be
some
other
use
that
perhaps
could
be
something
that
activates
the
street
and
gets
more
people
coming
up
there.
So
that
would
be
perhaps
something
to
explore
and
I
guess.
K
K
Has
was
part
of
this
process
in
bringing
this
hotel
forward,
as
as
something
that
was
needed
needing
the
city
support
to
go
through.
Was
the
hotel
considered
to
be
smaller,
it
seems
quite
large
189
rooms.
It
would
make
it
the
fourth
largest
hotel
in
the
city
than
the
hotel,
Boulder
Otto,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
they
have
explored
anything
smaller
and
maybe
with
no
parking
underground.
Since
you
know
there
is
some,
the
parking
could
work
out
that
they
wouldn't
need
to
so
I'm.
Just
wondering
asking
that
question
so.
N
N
I
B
Asked
Cu
to
put
their
conference
centre
on
the
hill
right,
we
asked
them
and
they
changed
their
plans
to
do
that.
Right
and
my
understanding.
This
is
the
part
because
one
of
the
questions
is
okay.
Let's
talk
about
the
feasibility
of
a
hotel.
Do
we
need
another
one
in
town
and
how
does
this
work
and
I
guess?
Can
you
speak
to
my
if
I
remember
correctly,
Cu
likes
is
not
going
to
have
enough
rooms
as
part
of
the
conference
center
and
needs
us
to
do
this
or
there's
some
synergy
here.
O
So
thank
you
for
that.
The
Cu
conference
center
hotel
project,
they
were
considering
two
sites
and
they
entered
into
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
with
the
city
to
build
the
conference
center
in
hotel
on
this
side
on
Grand
View
between
you
know,
at
University
and
Broadway
quatre
corner
to
this
proposed
hotel
say
they
are
proposing
a
hotel
of
a
certain
size
that
would
not
be
large
enough
to
meet
the
needs
generated
by
the
conference
center.
So
there
is
a
synergy
same
with
if
there
was
any
additional
parking
across
the
street
additional
hotel
rooms.
O
Additional
parking
supports
the
conference
center
being
in
that
location.
It
was
felt
during
the
discussions
at
that
time
that
the
hill
location
would
allow
conference
goers
to
be
in
a
more
walkable
environment
that
they
would
be
able
to
take
buses
from
the
airport
similar
to
this
proposal
being
on
Broadway
and
on
that
transit
corridor
was
preferred
so,
rather
than
seeing
it
as
competing
hotels,
it
really
was
beneficial
to
both.
B
O
The
conference
center
has
not
yet
put
out
publicly
exactly
how
many
rooms,
but
what
they
have
told
me
is
that
it's
I
believe
800
to
1,200
visitors
coming
to
the
conference
center,
and
so,
if
this
hotel
had
189,
they
would
need
to
have
their
own
hotel
rooms
as
well.
And
you
know
that
they're
trying
to
provide
enough
hotel
rooms
within
walking
distance
to
serve
that
population.
L
So
I
recall
the
number.
Similarly,
from
the
conversations
we've
had
before,
it's
a
thousand
people
at
the
conference
center
plus
or
minus
and
I
think
they
were
talking
about
something
like
250
to
275
rooms
on
the
Cu
side,
and
so
this
would
be
a
complimentary
number
to
what's
on
the
Cu
side,
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
remind
us
in
a
lot
of
ways.
We
worked
really
well,
we'll
see
you
to
cite
this.
You
know
they
agreed
to
do
something
near
Broadway,
so
that
we
could
have
this
synergy,
be
a
possibility
and
I
guess.
L
L
H
Yeah,
yes,
so
I
think
that,
just
to
kind
of
combine
a
couple
of
points
that
you've
made,
you
know
the
thing
that
we've
been
looking
for
is
the
catalytic
use
on
on
the
hill
to
get
non-student
daytime
traffic
in
year
round
and
and
then
and
and
then
systems.
In
addition
to
yes,
the
students
are
great
I'm,
very
glad.
H
They're,
there
keeps
it
you
know,
keep
going
there,
but
in
addition
to
the
students,
are
there
already
to
add
additional
day
time
foot
traffic
and
that
we
have
a
willing
partner,
who's,
bringing
a
really
intriguing
concept
to
the
table.
That
has
the
synergy
with
the
conference
center.
So
you
have
a
lot
of
pieces
kind
of
coming
together
the
conference
center
that
we
asked
to
be
in
this
location
that
we
really
worked
with
you
to
be
in
this
location.
H
All
of
us
will
we're
balking
at
to
one
degree
or
another
that
have
been
solved
by
this
revised
proposal,
which
I
really
appreciate
I
think
we
have
a
real
winner,
I'll
just
say
in
this
particular
proposal,
so
I
think
it's
it's
accomplishing
a
lot
of
the
goals
that
we've
been
trying
to
accomplish
on
the
hill
I
mean
literally
for
decades.
So
I
would
hope
that
we
could.
We
could
take
the
next
step
on
this
project.
You
know
with
some
additional
analysis
as
it's
going
along
to
make
sure
that
the
numbers
work
out.
A
D
Just
maybe
picking
up
there
were
left
off
if
you'd
be
helpful
for
us
to
understand
a
little
bit
about
the
timeline,
because
there's
sounds
like
there's:
lots
of
requests
for
information,
I
asked
and
have
some
requests
for
information
as
well,
but
I'm
wondering
if
some
of
that
stuff
could
be
happening
in
parallel.
So
let
me
ask
about
three
or
four
questions
and
you
can
kind
of
blurt
it
all
out
in
response.
D
So
with
the
question
you're
asking
us
right
now
is
you
know,
should
we
go
out
and
get
an
appraisal
and
start
discussions
about
price
with
the
developers?
There's
no
been
no
agreement,
no
me
and
the
mines
yet,
and
that
will
presumably
take
a
period
of
time
I
don't
of
weeks
or
months,
and
then,
if
there
is
an
agreement
reached,
if
there's
a
meeting
the
mines
in
the
price,
presumably
that
agreement
would
be
contingent
upon
the
ultimate
entitlement
of
the
property,
because
presumably
the
developer
is
not
going
to
just
plunk
down
a
pile
of
money.
D
Let's
developer
knows
that
you
can
do
it
and,
conversely,
we're
not
gonna
want
to
sell
the
property
the
parcel
unless
we
know
that
something's
going
there.
Then
there
presumably
is
gonna,
be
a
period
of
time
where
there's
a
concept
review
because
we
haven't
seen
haven't
seen
the
design
yet
right.
So
the
presumably
at
some
point
in
time,
we're
gonna
get
a
concept
review
that
will
go
through
the
normal
planning
board
and
maybe
call
a
process.
D
D
You
know
the
appraisal,
the
negotiation
when
you
come
back
to
us
to
ask
us
if
we
really
want
to
sell
this
lot
because
we're
not
deciding
that
when
I
say
anything
tonight
and
then
concept
and
that
timeline
and
then
the
site
review
and
that
timeline,
can
you
just
kind
of
walk
us
through?
So
we
understand
we're
talking
weeks
or
months
or
years,
because
there's
a
lot
of
data
being
requested
tonight
and
I'm
just
wondering
to
Aaron's
point
whether
some
of
this
can
be
gathered
in
parallel
with
some
of
that
work.
I
think.
O
D
D
O
C
O
Hotel
has
requested
50
spaces
to
be
constructed
below
which
they
do
anticipate
would
be
largely
available
during
the
day
mm-hmm.
So
that
does
help
offset
part
of
the
loss.
I
think
you
know
the
parking
study
findings
that
were
a
surprise
was
who
is
using
the
Pleasant
Street
law
that
it
was
largely
employee
permits
users
rather
than
the
turnover
customer
parking
that
we
were
finding
that
not
many
customers
knew
where
that
lot
was
located,
and
that's
where
you
can
see
yeah.
N
So
in
conversations
with
Cu,
we
believe
we
negotiated
a
place
for
the
permit
holders
to
be
during
the
construction
of
the
process
and
then
would
continue
to
work
with
Cu
on
updating
both
parking
and
other
needs
throughout
the
area,
including
those
who
would
be
recoded
relocated
during
this
time
frame,
perhaps
lucky
for
us,
and
not
so
much
for
Cu,
or
we
were
at
the
timing
of
the
end
of
an
MOU
related
to
nearby
parking.
That
would
allow
us
to
accommodate
the
current
permit
holders,
but.
C
I
guess
my
point
is
particularly
after
hearing
how
many
rooms
that
the
Cu
is
between
250
and
275
and
then,
if
there
189
on
this
slot,
that's
a
lot
of
traffic
generation.
Even
though
we'd
like
to
pretend
it's
not
going
to
be
there
at
the
corners
of
Broadway
and
University
and
I
understand
that
those
were
mostly
with
another
question.
In
terms
of
the
efficiency
of
how
the
parking
we
keep
building
parking.
And
yet
it
seems
to
be
for
employees
who
are
paying
a
very
low
rate
for
the
cost
of
the
parking
spaces
itself.
C
N
Still
the
purposes
of
this
evenings
conversation,
we
do
want
to
recognize
that
input
from
that
body.
At
the
same
time,
it
wasn't
necessarily
locked
in
to
this
proposal,
but
it
is
something
that,
if
council
wanted
to
give
some
input
or
direction
regarding,
we
certainly
welcome
an
opportunity
to
learn
what
you're.
Thinking
about
that.
The
dynamic
around
parking
on
the
hill
is
something
that
we
continue
to
work
with
the
University
and
with
neighbors
around
and
would
continue
to
do
so
because.
C
The
lot
that
the
university
now
has
open
on
13th
Street
is
not
because
it
belongs
to
the
University.
They
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
using
that
as
well
in
the
future
for
parking,
so
I
think
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind,
as
all
of
this
goes
forward
and
I
have
a
question,
since
the
hotel
has
been
the
only
thing
that
we've
heard
about
whether
or
not
when
this
anchor
these
anchor
concepts
came
up.
Whether
there
was
talk
about
Lisa
that
mentioned
this.
C
There
was
anything
else
that
came
up,
but
has
it
always
just
been
hotel,
Hotel
hotel,
and
has
there
been
anything
like
an
area
plan
done
on
the
hill,
for
example,
when
all
when
the
rezoning
happened
and
has
anyone
looked
at
the
hole
as
the
council
has
used,
it?
Has
anyone
looked
at
the
whole
entity
to
see
how
we
might
best
be
able
to
help
you
nihilist
AB
lished,
some
of
the
sustainability
that
they'd
like
to
have,
rather
than
just
doing
it
piecemeal
this
light
here
that
right
there,
this
light
over
here
so.
O
I
think
the
best
answer
to
that
is
the
2015,
so
with
the
Hillary
investment
strategy
initiating
in
2014.
That
study
in
2015
did
take
a
holistic
look
at
the
hill.
It
took
a
look
at
what
councils
priorities
were
and
it
made
recommendations
for
the
best
approaches
to
achieve
that.
So
that's
where
the
idea
of
the
catalyst
sites
came
out.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
we
have
been
in
communication
with
the
broker
community
and
those
other
types
of
anchor
uses
just
simply
won't
locate
on
the
hill.
For
the
most
part,
they
don't
have
the
foot
traffic
well.
C
So
one
of
the
things
that's
also
interesting
is
that
the
was
it
the
art
supply
that
was
just
sold
to
the
university
is
now
out
of
the
public
realm
again.
The
university
generally
doesn't
sell
its
property
back
that
it
has
purchased,
because
they
look
at
a
very
long
view,
and
so
that's
yet
another
sort
of
isolated
piece
of
the
hill
and
I
wondered
if
that
kind
of
thing
had
been
taken
into
consideration.
C
If
the
owners
up
there
had
talked
about
that,
if
Cu
wants
all
over
the
property
along
Broadway,
well,
everyone
sell
and
what
kind
of
effect
does
that
have
and
what
will
those
uses
be?
So
it's
difficult,
I
think
from
the
place
where
we're
sitting
until
we
have
some
more
answers
from
the
university
to
be
actually
determining
more
for
the
long
term
where
the
hill
may
be
financially
so
I
just
throw
that
out.
There.
L
Understanding
that
I
have
going
into
that
space,
that's
you
just
bought
his
offices.
You
know
what
they
have
talked
about.
Is
that
being
people
that
they're
moving
from
their
main
campus
that
are
overcrowded
right
now
and
their
university
administrators?
So
there's
there's
what
I've
heard
so
far
about
what's
used
plan
is
I
didn't
want
to
point
out
one
of
the
interesting
things
we
learned
in
the
traffic
study
about
the
hotel
parking
is
that
they
say
about
20
percent
of
the
guests
bring
a
car
for
downtown
hotels
like
this.
L
The
other
thing
I
think
we've
heard
from
the
university
is
they
intend
to
put
a
garage
sited
where
the
conference
center
is
and
they
were
willing
to
discuss,
building
it
bigger
than
they
would
necessarily
need
for
their
hotel
and
conference
center
so
that
we
could
park
some
people.
If
there's
demand
on
the
hill
over
there
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say,
is
we
have
a
lot
of
option
ality
here
with
the
14th
Street
site
that
we
could
do
something
with
so
another
way
to
proceed?
L
If
this
were
to
go
forward
would
be
to
see
what
the
demand
actually
is
right.
So
we
have
a
parking
study
and
we
can
do
another
parking
study
once
development
may
happen,
and
then
you
can
go
to
the
14th
Street
lotta.
We
kind
of
have
control
over
that.
If
we
wanted
to
put
a
garage
in
above-ground
there,
which
is
a
lot
less
expensive
and
the
garage
below
the
hotel
was.
K
So
I
want
to
step
back
a
little
bit
here
right
now
and
wonder
the
I
guess.
A
couple
of
the
questions
I
had
asked
had
to
do
with
the
size
of
the
spaces
that
the
tenants
that
might
be
displaced,
hadn't.
You
said
Sarah
that
it
was
between
500
and
2,000
and
then
and
that
the
I
missed
the
one
of
the
ends
of
the
range
of
the
the
per
square
footage
price
that
they're
paying
was
like
$14,
something.
K
K
K
Is
you
know?
How
is
that
$200,000
determined
if
they
have
to
move
over
and
things
have
to
start
over
I,
remember
with
the
barber
shop
that
they
had
put
in,
like
seventy
thousand,
to
get
it
to
the
place
that
it
was
usable
for
them?
So
that's
like
two
businesses
and
you're
2/3
of
the
way
spent
so
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
that
number
was
determined
and
how
those
existing
vacancies
would
serve
the
people
that
would
need
to
move.
N
I
There's
different
users
who
are
being
relocated
and
so
that
200
I
assume
is
it
is
average,
but
it
says
in
the
Nichols
proposal
it's
up
up
to-
or
maybe
it's
just
200,000,
but
some
are
restaurant
tours.
Some
are
simple
shops.
Some
might
have
refrigerators
with
them
other
things.
So
how?
How
does
that
so.
O
O
If
I
could
you
know,
we've
been
talking
since
the
downtown
retail
study
about
divisible
spaces
to
try
to
create
more
affordable
commercial
I?
Think
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
that,
and
similarly,
this
is
only
a
snapshot
in
time
of
what's
currently
available.
The
timeline
is
such
that
it
would
be
two
years
out
so
we're
more
trying
to
give
order
of
magnitude
of
who
would
want
to
move
and
relocate,
but
also
just
a
snapshot
of
what's
available
at
a
given
time.
O
K
O
The
food
court
I
mean
this
is
a
concept
that's
being
introduced
all
over,
but
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
entrepreneurial,
restaurant,
small
and
independent
restaurants,
where
you
don't
have
to
pay
for
staff
or
build-out
costs.
You
move
into
an
existing
restaurant
space
and
you
can
operate
very
affordably
like
a
permanent
food
truck.
Basically,
so
the
hilltop
building
at
college
and
13th
has
an
example
of
that
one-story
down
and
there
may
be
about
six
spaces
down
there
that
occasionally
open
up.
So
in.
N
So
one
of
the
things
if
council
directs
us
to
go
forward
would
be
to
again
go
back
in
that
outreach
to
the
individual
businesses
to
understand
their
plans
and
needs,
some
of
which
might
include,
for
example,
to
your
point,
commercial
kitchens
or
other
things
of
other
sizes.
We
could
then
reach
out
to
the
available
commercial
broker
industry
locally,
to
find
out
what's
available,
either
on
a
small
temporary
basis,
with
a
plan
to
be
there
for
a
long
time
or
on
a
more
longer
basis,
based
on
the
needs
of
those
small
and
independent
businesses.
K
Thank
you,
I
had
another
question,
and
this
was
this
is
one
that
I
had
included
in
my
set
of
questions
on
the
hotline
post,
which
were
I
just
wanted.
My
memory
refreshed
about
I
know
that
we're
not
speaking
about
the
14th
Street
thought
tonight,
but
it
does
provide
context
for
a
decision
and
the
14th
Street
lot
was
to
be
assembled
with
mr.
boyars
development
just
to
the
west
of
there
I
believe
and
for
some
reason,
and
that
was
going
to
be
a
parking
lot
and
what
happened
and
I
I.
O
There
was
a
letter
of
intent
back
in
2013
and
just
in
the
time
that
we
had
before
tonight's
meeting,
we
did
not
have
the
ability
to
go
back
and
research
exactly
why
that
did
not
move
forward.
But
it
was
around
the
time
of
the
moratorium,
and
my
initial
recollection
having
come
in
the
next
year
was
that
in
part,
the
market
rate
housing
that
would
have
been
required
to
help
pay
for
the
development
as
it
was
conceived
would
not
have
been
allowed
under
after
the
zoning
change.
So
that's
one
reason:
I
thought.
I
O
I
So
my
question
is:
is
that
so
whoever's
in
that
retail
space
is
going
to
have
an
additional?
What
did
you
say?
Half
percent,
maybe
two
percent
of
app
if
added
on
to
all
of
their
goods,
and
so
the
question
to
me
I
mean
we
can't
be
responsible
for
business's
success
necessarily,
but
now
there's
an
additional
cost
to
their
customers
with
that
piff,
and
so
the
services
are
going
to
be
half
to
two
percent
more
than
they
would
be
downtown
or
another
place.
And
so
I
wonder
it's
a
question.
I
So
if
you
can't
answer
but
I'd
like
to
have
some
analyses
of
that
I'm
just
that
just
when
you
were
asking
and
just
crossed
my
mind.
So
my
question
has
to
do
with
the
payment
to
you
to
in
event
of
an
early
sale,
and
that
was
something
several
of
us
brought
up
in
September
and
we
were
concerned
because
of
past
practices
on
other
properties
and
in
this
particular
thing,
and
thank
you
for
answering
that
the
developer
wrote
this
and
I
guess.
I
I
knew
that
in
this
one
it
says:
if
the
hill
partners
sell
the
project
within
five
years
of
a
certificate
of
occupancy,
then
they
will
agree
to
pay
circle
payments.
So
my
question
is
why
why
would
it
be
the
starting
point
be
at
the
certificate
of
occupancy?
Because
my
understanding
is
that's
the
time
when
you
can
legally
occupy
your
your
building
and
that
you
could
start
operating
so
you'd
be
fully
operational,
and
why
would
that
not
start
at
the
point
of
a
partnership
potential
partnership,
my
concern
and
it
well.
I
The
city
really
wasn't
involved
in
the
daily
camera
building
and
it's
redevelopment
that
property
flipped
like
at
least
three
times
and
significantly
increased
in
value,
and
that's
why
I
was
asking
about
the
land
value
and
so
anyway,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
in
any
kind
of
partnership
that
they
cannot
do,
that.
They
cannot
flip
the
property
and
then
I
don't
understand.
So
it
would
have
to
be
from
the
point
of
partnership
not
from
certificate
of
occupancy,
and
then
they
have
this
formula
and
I.
I
Don't
know
if
it's
a
normal
formula,
but
they
say
well,
the
amount
payable
to
you
JIT
would
be
reduced
from
3
million,
which
is
what
we
originally
give
to
them
right
in
year,
1
by
20%
per
year,
so
that
in
year,
5
it's
down
to
$600,000
and
there's
still
potential
flipping,
and
you
know
somebody's
going
to
make
a
lot
of
money
by
flipping
potentially,
but
not
the
hill.
So
I
need
to
understand
that
formula.
The
20%
decrease.
How
does
that
work.
P
Sure-
and
we
can,
we
can
ask
the
developer
to
come
up
to
talk
about
their
logic
behind
it,
but
I
think
the
formula
is
just
5
years.
Essentially
it
reduces
1/5
right
until
they
get
to
a
whole
period
which
they
proposed.
Currently
as
five
years.
It's
great
input
on
the
the
holding
to
the
point
of
certificate
of
occupancy.
A
P
I
D
P
D
Is
not
administer
if
it's
just
a
price
increase
right
now
and
there's
Cosmos
charges
seventeen
dollars
for
a
14-inch
pizza
and
if
they
impose
a
one-percent,
if
it's
seventeen
cents
more
so
now
they
charge
seventeen
dollars
and
seventeen
cents.
But
how
would
anyone
know
or
care?
I
guess
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
about
what
what's
different
than
a
private
price
increase.
I.
P
D
Or
the
landlord
could
just
charge
an
extra
few
cents
per
square
foot,
in
other
words
in
charge.
Instead
of
charging
$20
a
foot,
they
can
charge
20
dollars
and
20
cents
and
crew
coop
the
money
that
way
right,
but
rather
than
charging
I
our
red,
they're
saying
to
the
retail
tenant.
You
charge
your
customers
a
little
bit
more
money,
and
then
you
give
me
that
to
reimburse
myself
for
a
period
of
time
is
that
right,
correct
but
consoled?
The
city
is
not
necessarily
involved
in
those
discussions
list,
we're
administering
it
right.
I.
P
B
B
The
hill
is
both
a
delightful
place
but
very
struggling
police
and
has
been
for
a
long
time
and
the
trajectory
is
not
good.
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
spent
money
there
recently,
but
I
do
and
we
need
to
do
something
and
I
feel
like
we've
promised
the
group
of
people
that
have
been
working
on
this
for
well
over
a
decade
that
we
would
do
something-
and
this
is
I,
think
the
best
idea
we
have
seen.
B
B
B
Lisa
and
Mary
you're
raising
some
good
questions
of
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
I
think
our
negotiating
points,
including
making
sure
that
the
businesses
are
their
land
well,
so
yeah,
but
I
guess
I
would
put
out
that
I'm
ready
to
move
forward
and
let's
figure
out
what
we
would
need
to
move
forward.
So
that's
my
thinking.
D
I'm
with
you
I,
you
know
we
could.
We
could
have
a
long
debate
about
whether
a
hotel
is
what
we
need
or
whether
something
else
would
be
really
swell
to
have
there.
But
right
now
we
have
no
plan
B,
it's
it's
it's
this
or
status
quo,
and
it's
gonna
take
a
long
time
for
a
hotel
to
be
in.
You
know,
go
through
concept,
review
and
entitled
and
if
something
wonderful
comes
along
and
then
the
property
owner
wants
to
do
something
different
than
a
hotel,
we
can
certainly
have
that
consideration.
D
B
K
K
Provide
some
affordable
housing
and
I
spent
a
little
bit
of
time
this
afternoon,
speaking
with
quote
about
how
that
could
happen,
and
it's
possible
that
it
could
be
middle
income
housing
with
some
other
use
on
the
ground
floor.
That
would
perhaps
be
a
catalyst,
so
I'm
not
willing
to
sell
that
parcel.
For
those
reasons
and.
B
H
L
The
other
thing
that
I
think
along
those
lines
Mary
would
be
if
we
could.
We
know
that
the
housing
fund
has
been
short
of
funding.
It's
something
that
we've
heard
from
Kurt.
Perhaps
if
we
sell
that
a
market
rate
to
enable
this
catalyst
project,
we
could,
instead
of
using
it
to
pay
for
amenities
there.
We
could
use
it
to
pay
for
affordable
housing
and
then
take
some
of
the
tax
proceeds
over
time
to
pay
off
any
public
amenities
that
we
do
there.
I,
wouldn't
look
at
taking
the
next
step
here.
L
As
saying
for
sure,
we're
going
forward,
like
all
would
say
to
me,
is
we're
not
stopping
it
here,
because
I
think
some
of
the
ideas
that
you
just
put
out
could
be
very
you
know
very
useful
ways
to
fund
affordable
housing,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
site
is
the
best
site
for
it.
It's
awfully
constrained,
but
I
do
think
that
putting
money
towards
housing
would
be
something
consistent
with
our
community
values
that
we
could
do
with
the
proceeds
from
the
sale
I.
L
You
know
I'm
not
here,
to
tell
that
either
and
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
this
scaled
back
somewhat.
To
be
honest
with
you
as
well,
at
the
same
time,
rate
is
a
catalyst.
It
is
something
we've
talked
about
for
a
very
long
time
and
you
know
I'm
if
we
were
to
go
forward
with
it,
I'm
really
committed
to
the
design
being
good.
You
know,
one
of
the
conversations
I've
had
is
that
I
I
want
the
design.
If
anything
does
go
in
there
to
be
something
that
is
an
enhancement
to
what
we
have
on
the
hill.
L
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
buildings
up
there.
That
are,
you
know
in
need
of
some
TLC
and
if
there's
something
we
can
do
with
this
project,
that
makes
that
more
likely
for
building
owners
be
investing
in
the
people.
They're,
building
I
think
it's
worth
us
thinking
about
it
as
well,
but
I
agree
with
you
about
community
values
and
I
agree
with
you
about
the
possibility
of
maybe
taking
some
of
the
proceeds
from
whatever
happens
here
and
making
affordable
housing
happen.
So.
Q
If
I
just
might
add
to
that,
I
think
that
that's
probably
beyond
the
scope
of
huge
its
authority,
so
the
property,
the
property-
does
not
belong
to
the
city
of
Boulder.
It
belongs
to
you
Jed,
and
it
was
financed
by
the
taxpayers
in
ujin.
So
if
you
were
to
do
something
outside
of
the
boundaries
of
what
you
just
thority
is
now,
you
would
need
to
change
the
powers
of
ujin,
which
is
it
there's
a
process
that
fourth
in
the
code.
D
D
I
Can
chime
okay,
so
I
do
like
hotels,
although
I
think
we
have
way
too
many
right
here,
I'm
in
Boulder
and
as
a
child
I
had
a
lot
of
fun
in
hotels
and
exploring
them
and
going
up
and
down
on
there
elevators,
seeing
how
fast,
which
were
the
fast
ones
and
who
had
free
candy,
but
anyway,
to
this.
To
this
point,
I
do
like
hotels,
I,
don't
mind
a
hotel
up
on
the
hill,
but
I
have
a
problem
with
the
scale
of
this
hotel
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
scaled
down.
I
I
One
whole
block
so
I
guess
from
my
perspective,
I
know
we're
gonna
meet
with
see
you
next
week.
Next
Thursday
I
think
is
it
anyway
sometime
next
week
and
no
week
from
Tuesday
anyway,
we're
meeting
with
them
soon
and
I
am
very
much
looking
forward
to
that,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
discussions
primarily
on
what's
going
to
happen
in
this
part
of
town,
I,
think
Cindy's
concept
or
idea,
suggestion
of
some
kind
of
a
sub
area
plan
and
I
would
think
in
those
discussions.
I
If
we
move
forward
with
some
development
here
on
the
hill
and
development
at
CU,
it
will
become
more
clear
in
terms
of
what
what's
complementing
what
and
you
know
what
they
might
need.
But
Marianne
Mahoney
sent
the
hotel
some
just
statistics
on
them,
stats
and
and
which
kind
of
I
just
added
it
up
and
I.
Think
well
right
now
we
have,
and
so
I
don't
even
know
if
this
is
over
or
below.
I
But
we
have
approximately
2,500
rooms,
hotel
rooms
in
the
city
of
Boulder
right
now,
and
we
have
900
plus
short-term
legal,
short-term
rentals,
and
if
we
really
did
a
good
calculation
on
the
number
of
illegal,
short-term
rentals,
it's
probably
about
another
500.
And
then,
if
you
add
what
CU
wants
to
add,
plus
this
now
would
be
over
3,000
rooms,
and
that
just
seems
like
an
awful
lot
of
hotel
rooms.
I
When
I
see
a
lot
of
the
hotels,
the
new
ones,
I
think
wow,
it's
too
bad
that
those
aren't
housing
units,
but
those
were
developed
by
right
and
this
can
be
developed
by
right
as
well.
So
I'm
not
interested
right
now
in
selling
the
Pleasant
Street
without
a
whole
lot
more
answers.
You
know
and
I
want
to
have
this
discussion
with
Cu,
so
it's
not
like
I'm,
not
not,
but
right
now,
I'm,
not,
and
it's
just
the
sequencing
of
these
discussions.
I
think
and
I'll
feel
better.
I
Once
we
have
that
discussion,
we'll
see
you
and
once
I
get
a
little
more
understanding
about
the
questions
that
I've
asked
tonight
and
on
hotline
and
I
really
do
think
and
I'm
kind
of
amazed
we've
gotten
this
far,
but
maybe
that
would
be
the
next
step
not
having
an
independent
third-party
financial
analysis.
I
think
that
is
critical.
C
Just
tagged
on
to
what
Lisa
said
about
the
analysis
coming
first
before
we
can
really
decide
what
our
options
are.
It
seems
that
we're
kind
of
shooting
in
the
dark
here
and
I'm
still
I'm
extremely
concerned
about
the
amount
of
congestion
that
will
be
at
that
intersection
and
possibly
in
talking
with
the
university,
we
may
be
able
to
find
out
more
about
how
they
plan
to
deal
with
it.
How
we
might
do
that
in
conjunction
I
am
sorry
that
this
has
come
this
far
without
consideration
of
anything
else,
it
seems
to
be.
C
Hotel
was
the
first
thing
caught
and
that
that
has
just
had
a
life
of
its
own.
When
I
first
saw
the
site,
I
was
told
that
it
was
a
boutique
hotel
and
I
asked
how
big
it
was
and
I
couldn't
believe.
The
number
of
rooms,
so
boutique
seems
to
be
an
expanded
notion
here.
I
also
am
concerned
about
the
selling
of
the
Pleasant
Street
lot
until
we
know
more
about
it.
C
Ironically
enough,
when
I
first
moved
to
Boulder
back
in
the
day,
I
lived
in
affordable
housing
where
that
parking
lot
is
now
I
think
about
three
houses
came
down
to
make
room
for
cars
on
that
lot,
and
cars
have
not
abated,
even
though
those
lights
may
not
be
used
as
heavily
as
they
are.
The
perception
remains
that
there
isn't
parking
up
there
and
so
I,
and
that
could
be
part
of
the
problem
with
people
going
up
there.
Now
what
traffic
is
needed?
C
I
don't
again,
I'm,
not
persuaded
that
this
is
necessarily
the
best
way
to
do
it
and
moving
ahead.
I
would
not
see
this
as
any
kind
of
I.
Don't
want
it
to
be
like
if
we
agree
to
move
it
ahead
and
get
the
analyses
done
that
that
means
that
this
is
a
going
going.
Concern
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
fully
supportive
of
whatever
may
be
happening
until
I
know
what
the
analyses
are.
I
J
So
this
is
just
another
for
me
unfortunate
topic,
I
guess
in
terms
of
you
can
see
council
once
again,
it's
pretty
split
on
this
I
will
just
say
initially
for
someone
who
grew
up
here
and
attended,
see,
you
I
think
it's
incredibly
sad
to
see
a
hotel
go
into
this
area.
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
special
area
for
Cu
students
to
have
the
hill.
J
What
is
that
mean
we're
supposed
to
move
ahead,
because
this
is
the
only
project
in
front
of
us
or
you
know,
I
just
I
wish
there
was
almost
like
a
pilot
project
to
come
out
and
have
people
bid
on
inventive
new
ideas.
But
again,
that's
not
our
right
to
do
with
the
land.
So
I
understand
that
I
guess
I
kind
of
sit
where
Cindy,
Mary
and
Lisa
sit
in
terms
of
I'd
be
okay
with
moving
forward.
J
Seeing
as
this
is
our
only
option
right
now,
but
only
in
terms
of
I
want
to
see
the
analysis
I
don't
find
making
a
decision
without
the
analysis.
That's
been
requested
to
be
a
smart
decision,
so
I
understand,
there's
many
people
on
the
hill
who
would
like
to
see
this
and
that
we've
been
working
for
a
very
long
time
and
I
want
to
see
these
businesses
succeed,
I
want
to
see
them
flourish,
and
so
I
guess.
The
next
step
for
me
is
seeing
the
analysis
and
then
we
can
keep
going
from
there.
B
B
What
we
have
a
lot
of
neighborhood
input
saying.
Would
you
please
move
forward
Council,
so
would
people
be
willing
to
move
forward
with
doing
the
analysis
getting
up
for
fate
of
appraisal
and
there's
a
few
other
things
we
mentioned,
but
there's
enough
they're
there
to
take
that
step.
Could
we
at
least
do
that?
Well,
I
mean.
L
I
would
support
that,
but
I'd
also
support
including
ideas
about
affordable
housing.
Funding
has
a
link
to
this
because
I
think
well.
First
of
all,
we
have
the
linkage
fee,
but
then
there's
any
perfectly
legitimate,
strong
case
to
be
made
that
if
we're
going
to
give
up
this
parcel
for
money
that
we
should
put
money
into
some
kind
of
affordable
housing
because
that's
an
opportunity
to
lose
so
I
would
like
that
included.
B
Think
Lisa
made
some
good
points
about,
in
addition
to
it,
taking
a
look
at
the
feasibility
gap
and
whether
that's
right
looking
a
little
bit
more
into
the
if
it
gets
flipped
we
get
the
money
back
and
what
that
would
look
like
you
spelled
it
out,
but
I
think
Lisa
underlined
some
with
what
feels
like
gaps
in
that
proposal,
but
I
would
I
would
totally
agree
if
it's.
If
somebody's
gonna
make
a
bunch
of
money
flipping
this,
then
we
want
our
money
back.
I
It's
pretty
fine-grained
all
the
architecture
and
stuff
and
Sam.
You
talked
about
the
design,
the
design
is
critical
and
it
can't
be
a
big,
modern
hotel.
It
has
cut
to
look
like
the
hill,
but
it's
also
the
scale
you
know
and
and
like
Mary
said,
the
boulder
Otto
is
a
square
block
and
five
stories
high
in
most
places
and
160.
K
I
B
I
The
other
thing
is
that
and
I
put
that
out
this
after
or
this
morning
about
what
other
subsidies
have
we
given
to
other
hotels.
So
we
had
three
other
hotels
that
were
just
built
and
if
my
memory
is
right,
we
didn't
give
them
any
subsidies
and
there
may
be
another
hotel,
that's
coming
in
on
30th
and
parole
or
someplace
they
killed.
It
drew
that
that's
good.
I
So
anyway,
you
know:
we've
it's
been
very
rare,
that
would
the
city
has
ever
subsidized
a
hotel
and
and
actually
saint-julien.
We
did
have
a
partnership,
but
that
was
really
a
Cajun
thing.
It
wasn't
just
like
this:
it
wasn't
owned
by
the
city
of
Boulder,
and
so,
while
there's
benefits
I,
think
to
st.
Julian
and
that
we
didn't
anticipate
when
it
was
first
built
that
do
bring
a
community
benefit.
H
Yeah
yeah,
exactly
revitalization,
I
think
it's
part
of
you
hearing
some
concerns
about
size
and
scale,
and
things
like
that
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
really
important
to
the
the.
What
determines
the
bulk
and
the
mass
and
the
size
is
the
square
footage,
not
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
right.
So
it
sounds
like
they're
concerns
around
that
the
folks
would
benefit
from
getting
more
information
on.
H
So
it's
sounding
to
me,
like
that's,
going
to
be
important
and
a
next
go
around
to
get
comparisons,
not
just
a
room
numbers
but
the
size,
and
also
maybe
some
preliminary
sketches
to
have
some.
So
not
a
final
nod
of
design.
I
agree
we
have,
we
would
have
to
have
really
good
design
here.
We're
not
gonna
get
that
in
a
preliminary
sketch,
but
just
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of
massing
might
might
be
helpful.
I
know
it
is
multiple
buildings.
H
H
What
is
the
the
absolutely
validated
affordability
gap
if
you
reduce
the
scale
I'm
sure
that
will
go
up
and
the
feasibility
of
the
project
will
be
reduced
or
require
some
more
inputs
from
the
city,
so
I
think
I,
don't
think
we
can
have
our
cake
and
eat
it
too
here
to
reduce
the
amount
that
we
contribute
and
also
have
a
smaller
building.
So
those
are
a
little
bit
of
dots
and
the.
N
Only
thing
to
piggyback
on
that
is
as
you've
directed
it
as
Sarah
shared
earlier
final
design,
or
any
kind
of
you
know
would
all
would
all
be
going
through
the
regular
city
processes.
So
I'm
not
sure
that,
in
a
short
timeframe,
we'd
be
able
to
answer
some
of
the
things
that
you're
requesting.
But
we
will
certainly.
I
E
Just
one
caution:
I'm,
not
sure
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
answers
from
Cu
Cu
is
out
again
looking
for
a
contractor
for
their
conference
center.
They
aren't
sure
how
many
rooms
it's
gonna,
have
how
big
a
parking
structure
they're
going
to
have
so
they're.
Still
in
very
preliminary
stages.
They
wrote
a
letter
today
indicating
that
they're
still
supportive
of
this
private
hotel,
but
they
really
can't
provide
any
details
about
their
facility.
C
Jayne
I
think
you've
probably
got
a
good
assessment
there,
because
they
can't
read
the
tea
leaves
either
as
they're
putting
this
together.
One
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
it
is
my
belief
that
I
heard
way
back
again
in
the
day
that
the
city
of
Boulder
built
the
hotel
Eldorado
as
a
destination,
so
that
people
would
have
a
place
to
stay
when
they
came
here
at
the
end
of
the
line.
C
B
K
So
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
the
memo
with
respect
to
the
pleasant
lot
and
it's
low
occupancy
I
guess
was
that
a
lot
of
folks.
It
seemed
like
a
lot
of
folks
aren't
aware
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
an
easy
solution
that
may
be
quick,
I,
don't
know
would
be
to
put
up
some
wayfinding
signs
to
the
lot.
O
D
Just
observe
that
it's
not
just
the
Pleasant
Street
lot,
though
that's
underutilized,
we
don't
reach
the
80
fibers
at
utilization
for
on-street
parking
either,
and
so
while
we
could
divert
some
traffic
from
four
meters
over
a
pleasant
street,
if
you
look
at
the
301
spots
in
ujin,
they're
simply
not
used.
We
have
some
spots
of
higher
usage
and
some
spots
for
lower
usage,
but
we're
not
not
any
more
close
to
maximum.