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A
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B
B
The
council
and
staff
are
present
in
the
room,
and
members
of
the
public
will
still
be
interacting
virtually,
but
in
a
month
from
now
we
will
be
welcoming
the
public
into
the
room
as
well,
and
then
just
a
quick
reminder
to
my
city,
council
colleagues,
make
sure
to
unmute
your
microphone
and
keep
it
near
your
face
when
speaking
into
it.
Sometimes
it
can
be
hard
for
the
public
to
hear
us
if
we
don't
speak
directly
into
the
microphone,
and
I
will
do
my
best
at
that
as
well.
B
Annual
recruitment
for
most
boards
has
closed,
but
we
are
still
recruiting
for
the
following
boards
due
to
an
in
insufficient
number
of
applications
being
received,
and
those
are
the
beverage
licensing
authority,
the
boulder
junction
access
district
parking
and
travel
demand
management,
the
board
of
zoning
adjustment,
cannabis
licensing,
advisory
board,
design,
advisory
board,
downtown
management,
commission
library,
commission
and
university
hill,
commercial
area
management,
commission,
so
applications
will
be
accepted
until
further
notice,
and
you
can
find
descriptions
and
vacancies
online
dot,
gov,
slash
boards
dash
commissions.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
or
need
assistance,
please
contact
our
very
friendly
city,
clerk's
office
at
city,
clerk's
office
at
boulder
colorado.com
all
right.
Well,
with
that,
I
am
going
to
go
ahead
and
formally
call
us
to
order
and
request
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda.
To
add
item
c,
which
is
an
update
on
the
library
district
meeting
with
boulder
county
commissioner
claire
levy
and
mayor
brockman.
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D
F
B
Thanks
so
much
alicia,
as
I
was
saying
before,
I
would
welcome
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda
at
item
6c.
B
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
and
wow.
We
can
actually
raise
physical
hands
now,
so
all
in
favor,
all
right,
that's
unanimous.
J
And
is
this
I'm
just
reading
it
off
my
computer
right,
not
standing?
Okay?
Well,
it
is
my
honor
to
read
this
declaration
as
follows.
Local
access
to
a
comprehensive
range
of
medical
services
has
always
been
integral
to
the
integral
to
the
health
and
wellness
of
residents
of
the
city
of
boulder
community
leaders
and
citizens
of
the
city
of
boulder
recognized
more
than
a
century
ago.
The
need
for
boulder
valley
residents
to
have
a
community-owned
locally
governed
hospital.
J
The
heroic
frontline
staff
at
boulder
community
health
selflessly
put
their
own
health
at
risk
over
the
past
two
years
to
keep
local
families
safe
and
healthy.
During
the
coven
19
pandemic,
boulder
community
health
now
encompasses
2,
000
employees,
700,
physicians
and
other
clinicians
on
its
medical
staff
and
200
volunteers.
Boulder
community
health
remains
one
of
only
two.
That's
two
independent
health
systems
in
the
whole
state
of
colorado.
J
So
we,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
boulder
colorado,
declare
april
19
2022
as
boulder
community
health
day
in
recognition
of
the
vital
services
that
the
doctors,
nurses
and
other
staff
at
boulder
community
health
have
provided
and
continue
to
provide
for
the
families
of
our
community.
So
huge
thanks
to
boulder
community
health
for
all
that
they
do
for
our
community.
B
B
L
L
Thank
you
so
much
so,
as
many
of
you
know,
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversations.
M
If
you
would
okay,
hi
zoom
audience
and
open
comment
speakers,
this
is
sarah
huntley
calling
in
on
this
meeting,
I'm
the
director
of
communications
and
engagement.
So,
as
many
of
you
know,
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
civic
conversations,
we're
trying
to
support
the
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
everybody
involved
in
our
democratic
process.
M
For
more
information
about
this
vision,
you
can
check
out
our
website
where
we
have
some
information
about
how
it
was
created
and
some
of
the
community
feedback
that
has
gone
into
this
process
as
well
as
some
of
our
internal
staff
feedback.
So
we
have
a
number
of
guidelines
that
we'd
like
to
just
propose
tonight.
If
you
could
go
to
the
second
slide,
please
I'm
not
sure
that
I
can
thank
you.
So
there
are
some
rules
of
decorum
found
in
the
boulder
revised
code
again
intended
to
support
this
vision.
M
We're
asking
that
all
remarks
and
testimony
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business.
No
participants
shall
make
threats
or
use
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,
obscenity,
racial
epithets
and
other
speech
or
behavior.
That
disrupts
or
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct
the
meeting
are
prohibited
and
we
do
ask
people
to
use
sign
up
to
speak
and
use
the
name
in
zoom
that
they
are
commonly
known
by.
M
You
do
have
to
display
your
whole
name,
and
we
are
currently
only
accepting
audio
testimony
online
and
with
that,
hopefully,
brenda
will
be
able
to
unmute
our
speakers.
I
do
appreciate
everybody's
patience
tonight,
as
this
is
our
first
in-person
council,
with
our
public
and
with
some
new
technology
that
we
put
in
to
try
to
make
the
process
be
a
little
more
seamless,
so
we're
learning
we're
learning
as
we
go.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
B
N
N
Murphy
I've
lived
in
boulder
52
years.
This
presentation
is
about
boulder
climate
action,
continuing
to
ignore
wind
source
and
wrecks
the
utility
occupation.
Tax
is
a
carbon
tax
and
over
time,
boulders
collected
over
88
million
dollars
in
carbon
taxes,
and
more
than
half
of
that
was
never
used
for
real
carbon
reduction
and
the
four
million
dollars
of
carbon
tax
that
is
collected
each
year
and
not
used
for
carbon
reduction
could
enable
all
boulder
residences
and
businesses
to
be
100
percent
renewables.
N
Now
the
panel
exhibits
endless
wheel,
spinning
that,
in
my
opinion,
focuses
on
leftover,
muni
goals
guided
by
leftover,
muni
employees.
We
need
less
talk
and
more
immediate
action.
The
quarterly
meetings
are
glacial
in
velocity
with
clear
avoidance
of
cost
benefit.
Analysis.
Time
is
one
of
the
largest
costs.
Are
we
spending
money
and
time
for
paychecks
or
carbon
reduction?
P
P
P
The
criminal
justice
research
organization
has
found
that
formerly
incarcerated
people
face
higher
rates
of
housing,
instability
and
unemployment
that
other
non-incarcerated
people
of
similar
age.
Do
not
the
guaranteed
income
program
could
help
these
individuals
readjust
and
will
give
them
the
opportunity
to
help
family
members
and
themselves.
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
more
of
the
research
on
the
guaranteed
income
project.
It's
future
implementation
and
appreciate
the
time
to
speak
with
you
this
evening.
Thanks.
Q
Q
Ceo
south
will
destroy
wildlife
and
make
traffic
unbearable
in
south
boulder,
especially
in
the
case
of
an
evacuation
like
we
had
for
the
end
car
fire
where
traffic
was
gridlocked
and
speaking
of
fires.
What
is
causing
them
and
what's
being
done
about
it,
there's
another
fire
today
in
north
boulder?
Q
Or
do
you
want
to
be
known
as
the
city
council
that
was
so
soft
on
crime?
The
boulderites
are
hesitant
to
come
down
to
our
crown
jewel
of
pearl
street
anymore,
or
use
the
bike
paths
or
enjoy
the
city
parks,
because
they've
been
physically
and
verbally
assaulted
by
criminals
who
run
amok
without
fear
of
consequences
for
their
actions.
Q
Q
You
might
be
the
city
council
that
really
got
the
citizens
of
gold
politically
aware,
because
once
you're,
a
crime
victim
you
wake
up
and
become
acutely
aware
of,
what's
happening
in
this
town
and
what's
happening
is
that
we
have
a
public
safety
crisis,
an
ecological
crisis
and
a
political
crisis
right
here
right
now.
Thank
you.
C
B
S
Hey
how
you
guys
doing
today.
Thank
you
again
for
having
me
speak
to
city
council.
I
really
appreciate
it
guys.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
everybody's
been
doing
towards
the
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
do
the
parklet
seating
for
downtown.
You
know,
as
you
consider
this
decision.
You
know.
S
One
of
the
things
to
think
about
is
you
know
the
real
stakeholders
are
are
the
ones
that
are,
you
know
actually
signed
on
the
leases,
the
ones
that
are
personally
liable
for
the
places
that
they
rented
the
loans
they
took
out
and
and
all
the
things
that
they
signed
up
for,
and
so
I'd
really
appreciate.
S
If
you
guys,
you
know,
consider
you
know
the
property
owners,
the
tenants
that
have
all
put
their
lives
online
to
be
able
to
do
business
in
downtown
west
pearl
street
also,
you
know
to
be
considered
other
locals
who
support
us
during
the
winter
months,
not
only
during
the
tourist
months.
The
tourists
will
always
be
here,
but
you
know
a
lot
of
us
rented
on
west
pearl
street
because
of
we
could
get
the
locals
to
come
downtown,
and
you
know
it's
that
old
saying.
S
That's
that
they
use
in
the
real
estate,
business,
location,
location,
location.
Well,
for
us,
you
know
it's
the
location
of
pedestrian
traffic,
location
of
drive-by
traffic,
location
of
parking-
and
you
know
the
majority
of
the
businesses
on
pearl
street
west
pearl
street
would
like
to
have
all
that
back
because
it
does
influence
of
how
well
we've
done
business
over
the
past,
in
my
case,
over
34
years
now,
as
we've
seen
over
the
years
historically,
restaurants,
don't
do
very
well
on
the
bricks
because
of
the
perception
and
the
reality
of
inaccessibility.
S
You
know
expand
if
we
were
to
develop
and
to
expand
more
seating
for
outside.
A
lot
of
our
places
were
only
built
to
handle
the
original
footprint
that
we
have
for
our
restaurant.
So
that
would
add
another
added
expense
for
us
to
be
able
to
further
take
care
of
customers
if
we
were
to
have
more
customers
that
were
dining
on
the
outside,
and
I
don't
think
we
should
overlook
as
well
the
elderly
and
the
handicapped
that
are
having
trouble
accessing
west
pearl
street
as
well.
S
You
know
all
the
surveys
that
we've
done
during
the
pandemic.
You
know
thought
it
was
a
great
ideal
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
the
outdoor
dining
but
remember
how
it
was
before
the
pandemic.
It
was
packed.
Downtown
west
pearl
was
very
vibrant
and
I
would
like
to
like
to
see
the
seed
to
be
excited
about
seeing
west
pearl
getting
back
open
again,
especially
since
we
spent
so
much
money
in
the
past
few
years.
S
What
about
seven
or
eight
years
ago
about
beautify
beautifying,
the
downtown
walking
area
on
west
pearl
street?
So.
R
Great
thanks,
my
name
is
chuck
brock.
I'm
a
member
of
the
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board,
hi
tara,
but
I'm
speaking
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
community
cycles,
advocacy
advocacy
committee
and
we'd
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
cu's
hotel
development
conference
center.
As
you
know,
construction
is
going
to
begin
later
this
year
and
community
cycles
is
concerned
about
some
aspects
of
the
traffic
patterns
that
are
planned
for
this
development.
R
That's
all
right,
so
they're
currently
planning
two
access
points.
One
is
off
of
university
and
the
other
there
it
is
is
on
grand
view
at
broadway,
and
the
problem
is
the
grand
view
entrance
which
crosses
two
lanes
of
traffic,
a
sidewalk
and
the
broadway
multi-use
path.
And
at
this
point,
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
the
path
is
sharply
downhill,
which
leads
to
some
pretty
high
bicycling
speeds
and,
if
you're
pulling
out
of
the
of
the
property
and
getting
onto
broadway
going
northbound.
R
The
angle
from
grand
view
uphill
is
sharper
than
a
right
angle,
more
like
110
or
120
degrees,
and
they're.
Also
planning
bus
access
and
we'd,
also
like
to
point
out
that
visitors
to
boulder
will
not
be
familiar
with
our
multi-use
paths
or
cyclists
and
are
not
really
going
to
know
what
to
do
around
the
multi-use
path.
R
So
this
is
an
obvious
danger
zone
and
we
really
think
it
should
not
be
permitted
and
we
believe
the
city
has
control
over
the
connections
of
this
development
to
the
city,
city,
streets
and
so
we'd
like
you
to
ask
the
city
manager
to
identify
who's,
making
traffic
decisions
on
this
project
and
to
try
to
get
them
to
make
changes
to
the
design.
And
specifically,
we
believe
the
access
by
vehicle
should
only
be
on
the
south
end
of
the
property
from
university
at
13,
and
there
should
be
emergency
vehicle
access
only
allowed
at
grandview
and
vision.
R
T
Hi
evan
rabbits
north
boulder
people
need
to
know
that
the
city
is
finally
allowing
both
online
and
paper
petitions
for
initiatives
and
referenda.
After
last
year's
debacle,
when
they
forced
us
to
choose,
but
the
city
is
refusing
to
notify
us
of
this
change.
Only
the
new
boulder
reporting
lab
has
told
the
people
within
weeks
of
the
start
of
the
pandemic,
boulder
implemented
online
permits
for
developers,
builders,
etc
and
notified
us
using
all
media.
The
city
proudly
serves
business,
but
is
still
fighting
online,
petitioning
documented
at
tinyurl.com
petition
story.
T
Nobody
in
five
years
has
publicly
testified
against
online
petitioning
against
fixing
last
year's
problem
or
against
telling
us
the
problem
is
fixed,
so
it
is
dark
money
and
power
that
is
manipulating
our
government,
the
big
suspects
who
can
control
the
city
but
fear
empowered
voters
are
number
one.
The
chamber
of
commerce,
which
emails
show
worked
directly
with
the
former
city
manager
behind
council's
back
to
get
east
boulder,
declared
a
trump
opportunity
zone,
thus
subsidizing
gentrification.
T
U
Consent
item
3g
no
on
water
and
sewer,
not
my
tax
dollars
until
you
have
capped
enrollment
at
see
you
and
put
in
a
500
flood
mitigation
system
there,
the
42-inch
interceptor
and
has
12
outlets
to
it,
and
this
is
a
lot
of
money
going
into
water
and
sewer
infrastructure
that
I
don't
want
going
in
there
when
we
haven't
got
protection
for
it
when
we're
going
to
have
a
500
year
flood
and
we
are
all
going
to
be
swimming
in,
because
the
storm
sewer
and
the
water
connects,
and
you
get
sewer
mixed
in
with
everything
call
it
up
check
in
on
4b
no
on
the
best
western
hotel,
the
city
of
boulder
needs
its
hotels.
U
There
are
900
students
being
accommodated
on
hotel
road
that
takes
away
our
tax
dollars,
and
then
you
come
begging
for
a
library
district
with
with
county
money
and
with
my
property
tax
money
no
way
sales
tax
revenue
can
do
it.
If
you
weren't,
giving
it
away
to
the
students
at
cu,
we
need
to
cap
enrollment
we're
losing
all
of
our
people,
city
manager,
planning
director
two
times.
U
These
recruitments
are
expensive
for
the
transportation
director.
You
know
this
is
a
ship
going
down
boulder.
Is
you
need
to
do
things
the
right
way,
which
means
cap
enrollment
at
cu,
largely
no
cu
south
and
no
on
the
east,
boulder
sub-community,
the
missing
middle
is
act
exactly
what
we're
doing
is
wealth
inequity,
the
mis.
The
middle
is
missing
anyway,
and
we
just
get
higher
income,
housing,
housing
and
lower
income
housing,
and
we
can
never
ever
ever,
keep
up
at
a
thousand
dollars
a
square
foot
for
apple
in
east
boulder
at
flatiron's
business
park.
U
The
bike
racks
up
at
cu
they're
gone.
That's
because
they
want
places
for
all
the
students
to
sit
for
their
80
000
student
campus
that
they
have
proposed.
F
Hi,
I'm
maura
dudley,
I'm
still
for
the
library,
district
and
building
more
housing,
but
I'm
going
to
talk
tonight
about
west
pearl
and
outdoor
dining.
The
newly
car-free
blocks
of
west
pearl
have
been
a
wonderful
addition
to
the
downtown
and
I
hope
it
becomes
permanent
I'll
quickly
say
that
my
experience
with
the
outdoor
dining
on
the
car
free
areas
of
downtown
have
meant
lovely
evenings.
I've
seen
people
face
to
face
and
running
into
people
and
having
conversations
and
just
feeling
like
our
community,
is
a
little
smaller
and
closer.
F
Obviously,
every
city
gets
to
decide
which
streets
are
for
cars
and
which
are
for
people,
but
as
the
climate
crisis
gets
worse,
we're
going
to
need
to
do
many
things
quickly,
including
encouraging
less
car
use
so
having
space
downtown.
That's
explicitly
not
for
cars
sends
the
message
that
we
want
people
to
use
other
modes
to
get
downtown
as
much
as
they
are
able
and
encourages
visitors
to
stay
downtown
without
renting
a
car
I'll
run
through
a
couple
bullets
based
on.
F
What's
in
the
report
that
you're
gonna
look
at
tonight,
if
we're
doing
a
five-year
pilot,
the
infrastructure
should
have
some
aesthetic
guidelines
throughout
downtown.
It's
obviously
a
little
ad
hoc
right
now.
If
you
go
the
route
where
the
city
owns
the
infrastructure,
it
would
be
great
if
it's
buried
for
restaurant
preference,
but
maybe
there
could
be
some
that
would
be
not
just
for
businesses,
but
also
for
public
space
and
at
the
end
of
the
pilot,
could
be
sold
or
repurposed.
F
I
really
hope
that
you're,
including
lots
of
people
from
the
disability
community,
to
address
access
issues,
and
I
really
think
there
should
be
public
space
between
9th
and
11th,
not
just
restaurant,
outdoor
dining
and
in
reading
the
report.
I
want
to
point
out
that
some
businesses
say
that
not
having
enough
parking
is
a
challenge
on
west
pearl,
but
it's
unclear
if
that's
actual
data
or
anecdotal
business
owners.
Often
just
hear
the
the
most
troublesome
parts
thanks.
O
Good
evening,
council
members,
the
survey
itself
that
was
presented
relating
to
the
outdoor
dining
update
was
skewed
in
favor
of
closer
of
closure
and
expansion,
as
was
the
reporting
itself
on
page
eight
of
the
report.
It
states
that
nearly
half
of
all
businesses
indicated
they
would
prefer
west
pearl
to
remain
closed
to
vehicle
traffic
after
the
emergency
orders
and
in
august,
as
displayed
in
illustration
5..
O
So
their
illustration
5,
depicts
that
41
of
the
restaurants
would
would
support
keeping
west
pro
closed
and
50
percent
of
the
other
businesses.
However,
more
than
half
of
the
businesses
support
opening
west
pearl.
If
you
look
at
illustration
five,
once
again,
there
is
59
percent
of
the
restaurants,
support
opening
west
pearl
and
50
of
the
retail
restaurants.
O
The
retail
businesses
support
opening
west
pearl,
and
I
think
that
that's
just
illustrated
illustrates
the
bias
and
the
skew
in
the
survey
and
in
the
reporting
itself,
and
if
you
look
at
the
citizen
comments,
there
are
many
comments
that
relate
to
that.
O
Similarly,
the
to
compare
the
impact
of
the
west
end
closure
and
outdoor
dining
on
business.
It
that's
really
comparing
the
expanded
dining
enclosure
compared
to
no
indoor
seating
pandemic
conditions,
which
is
not
a
fair
comparison.
Of
course,
it
was
helpful
at
the
beginning.
O
V
V
As
a
student,
I'm
lucky
enough
to
have
an
rtd
college
pass
which
is
paid
for
through
student
fees
and
allows
me
to
use
rtv
transportation
for
free.
This
pass
proved
to
be
an
invaluable
asset
earlier
this
year,
when
I
was
unexpectedly
without
a
car
for
some
time
and
had
to
rely
solely
on
public
transportation
and
ride
sharing
services.
V
V
While
I
do
not
think
that
the
fees
are
unnecessarily
high
right
now,
I
do
think
that
even
a
small
fee
deters
users
who
have
other
modes
of
transportation
available,
because
boulder
prides
itself
on
being
an
example
of
a
sustainable
community.
I
think
it
should
commit
to
more
initiatives
to
cut
emissions
of
greenhouse
gases
and
other
pollutants
by
getting
cars
off
of
the
road.
V
This
means
that
if
just
one
driver
switched
to
taking
public
transportation,
it
could
reduce
the
household
carbon
footprint
by
8.1
percent.
Given
the
urgency
of
taking
actions
to
combat
climate
change,
getting
cars
off
the
road
is
a
goal
of
the
cities
which
I
think
should
be
taken
seriously
and
prioritized
in
order
to
continue
the
city's
very
respected
and
necessary
green
initiatives.
I
encourage
the
council
to
implement,
or
at
the
very
least,
study
a
free,
citywide
bus
program.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
D
Thank
you
all
for
having
me
here
today.
My
name
is
sydney
anderson
and
I
am
a
citizen
of
boulder,
as
well
as
a
law
student
at
the
university
of
colorado.
I
am
here
today
with
concerns
about
the
homelessness
issue
in
the
city.
No
one
chooses
to
be
homeless.
Many
of
these
people
are
on
the
streets
as
a
result
of
natural
disasters,
domestic
violence
and
serious
mental
illness,
and,
despite
the
lack
of
evidence
that
criminalizing
the
homeless
helps
the
issue.
D
The
effect
of
the
camping
ban
is
to
punish
the
homeless
for
something
they
have
no
say
in.
If
these
bands
are
to
be
enforced,
then
I
believe
they
should
be
supplemented
with
a
safe
housing
for
the
people
they
target.
Pushing
the
homeless
out
of
populated
areas
with
no
support
is
dangerous
for
them,
especially
women,
who
are
more
vulnerable
to
assault
and
can
also
be
costly
to
the
city
in
the
form
of
criminal
justice
and
emergency
health
expenditures.
D
W
Good
evening,
people
and
city
council
tonight
you're
going
to
hear
a
staff
report
on
the
proposed
flood
mitigation
project
for
the
south
boulder
creek
flood
plain.
I
want
to
focus
on
the
limitations
cu
imposed
on
that
project
in
the
annexation
agreement.
The
city
signed
limitations
would
make
it
which
make
it
impossible
to
have
a
really
effective,
feasible
and
economical
flood
mitigation
plan.
This
is
really
a
bad
deal
for
boulder.
W
W
The
current
flood
water
detention
pond
planned
at
is
inadequate
because
cu
resisted
anything
larger.
Despite
that,
it
will
be
insufficient
to
control
floods
larger
than
100-year
events.
Cu
is
only
willing
to
donate
36
acres
specifically
for
flood
mitigation.
That's
only
a
quarter
of
the
sum
120
acres.
The
flood
project
will
require
ceos
offer
to
quote
make
available
for
purchase.
Unquote.
W
Added
acreage
will
only
inflate
the
cost
of
flood
control
at
sea
at
boulder
residents.
Expense
buying
cu
south
was
a
bad
business
deal
for
cu,
but
the
cu
south
annexation
agreement
is
a
very
bad
deal
for
boulder.
It
should
be
repealed
by
a
yes
vote
in
november.
Eight,
two
thousand
twenty
two.
Thank
you
very
much.
X
X
These
are
cost
estimates
that
were
developed
years
ago
before
the
pandemic
and
economic
changes
that
have
occurred.
Construction
costs
across
the
u.s
have
skyrocketed,
steel
and
concrete
are
reaching
all
time
highs.
The
flood
mitigation
project,
as
proposed,
is
going
to
cost
far
more
than
mr
tadayochi
has
reported
to
date.
Boulder
ready
already
has
the
absolutely
highest
flood
and
storm
water
utility
rates
in
the
front
range,
and
this
is
according
to
the
city's
own
rate
material
which
was
mailed
to
every
home
last
month.
X
What
is
a
current
estimate
for
how
much
the
south
boulder
creek
flood
mitigation
project
will
actually
cost
under
today's
conditions,
100
million
120
million?
What
will
this
do
to
our
utility
bills?
What
will
this
do
to
other
needed?
Flood
mitigation
projects
boulder
ratepayers
deserve
at
least
an
engineering
ass.
To
estimate
of
these
costs
right
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
Y
Thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
with
you
about
a
serious
incident
that
occurred
in
my
neighborhood
on
april
1st,
in
the
heart
of
our
city.
My
name
is
andrea
montoya
and
I
have
been
leading
a
community
effort
in
the
gosgrove
neighborhood
building
a
pollinator
corridor
over
the
last
three
years
on
the
shoulders
of
neighbors
who
had
existing
gardens
in
their
yards
already.
Y
Our
goal
is
to
create
a
vibrant
corridor
of
loosely
connected
native
plant
habitats
that
support
our
dwindling
numbers
of
native
pollinators.
Here's
a
bit
of
the
important
detail
for
you,
these
insects,
who
are
we
are
supporting
to
carry
out
their
life
cycles.
They
don't
just
do
it
amongst
the
plants,
but
they
go
into
nearby
bare
ground
up
and
down
the
city,
rights
of
ways
and
beyond.
Y
Y
I
instantly
understood
that
ground
nesting
species
would
be
killed,
songbirds
would
nibble
on
the
pre-emergent,
pellets
and
flowers
would
be
toxified,
and
here
I
stood
appalled
with
little
or
no
recourse.
This
could
happen
to
any
neighborhood.
We
are
all
sitting
ducks.
One
neighbor
I
have
who
raises
monarch
larvae
with
neighborhood
kids
lost
all
of
the
larva
last
year,
due
to
spraying
near
her
yard
council.
Let's
work
together
to
get
these
toxic
petrochemicals
out
of
our
city,
designated
pollinator
habitats
and
out
of
our
community
soils
and
waterways.
Y
B
Z
Thank
you
so
much
mayor
I'll,
say
as
always,
thank
you
for
those
that
call
in
and
appreciate
community
and
your
patience
as
we
work
out
our
glitches
with
new
technology
in
the
room,
but
I
also
wanted
to
just
note
for
and
and
lift
up
evan
ravitz's
advocacy
and
others
who
have
talked
to
us
about
online
petitions
and
paper
petitions
and
for
those
that
have
been
listening.
Those
actually
have
been
posted
on
our
website
and
for
people
that
want
to
know
more
that
we
are
accepting
both.
Z
AA
B
AA
Mayor
that
is
our
understanding
that
it
wasn't
indeed
sprayed
in
rights
of
way
that
are
that
are
owned
by
the
city,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
solutions
under
our
code.
B
Great,
hopefully,
there's
some
recourse,
so
thank
you
for
looking
into
that.
Any
follow-up
from
council
members.
H
Two
things
piqued
my
interest
with
respect
to
cu
south
one,
of
course,
is
the
the
issue
of
cost
estimates,
and
will
we
be
dealing
with
that
in
greater
detail
tonight
and,
if
not,
hopefully
soon
the
the
memo
on
that
seem
to
indicate
it
might
be
coming
in
under
66
million
dollars?
Obviously,
mr
peter
mayer's
comments
indicated
quite
the
contrary
and
it's
something
I
I
think
that
would
be
of
interest
to
the
community.
H
The
other
also
relating
to
cu
south
is
have
we
previously
looked
at
the
impact
of
development
there
on
evacuation
procedures
and
routes.
You
know
we
have
seen
the
bumper-to-bumper
traffic
that
has
occurred
with
some
of
these
fires,
and
hopefully
the
cu
south
is
not
going
to
increase
or
exacerbate
that
problem,
and
I'm
hoping
that
that
staff
is
looking
at
that
as
well.
J
Z
B
Good
well,
if
we
don't
have
any
other
notes,
we'll
move
on
and
I'll
just
take
a
quick
moment
to
note
that
there
have
been
two
fires
today,
just
outside
of
the
city
of
boulder.
So
on
one
note
just
want
to
thank
so
much.
The
firefighters
who've
been
responding
to
those
and
keeping
them
under
control.
B
C
H
While
I
have
a
good
degree
of
support
for
the
east
boulder
sub-community
plan,
I
remain
concerned
about
the
representations
that
have
been
made
with
respect
to
the
plan
creating
middle-income
housing,
and
I
know
it.
I
I
did
a
hotline
a
few
days
ago
and
I
raised
a
number
of
questions
there
that
were
not
answered,
and
I
then
sent
a
second
hotline
sort
of
reiterating
those
questions
and
I
got
no
feedback
on
that
as
well.
H
So
my
support
for
the
consent
agenda
relating
to
the
east,
boulder
sub-community
plan
is
going
to
have
a
reservation
for
that
discussion
of
how
we
get
to
middle-income
housing,
because
I
do
not
think
it
was
properly
addressed.
Z
I
N
Y
AA
G
AB
B
Thanks
so
much
alicia,
let's
move
on
to
our
call
of
check-ins.
Please.
C
B
C
Item
4b
is
the
site
and
use
review
for
redevelopment
of
the
property
located
at
770
28th
street,
the
former
best
western
best
plus
boulder
inn
into
a
mixed
used
project
that
includes
a
three-story
student
apartment
building
with
96
four-bedroom
units,
along
with
the
ground
level,
amenity
space,
common
areas
and
below-grade
parking.
The
existing
five-story
office
building
located
on
the
east
end
of
the
site
at
777
29th
street
will
remain.
The
proposal
includes
landscape
improvements
for
shared
open
space
between
the
apartments
and
the
existing
office.
Building
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
55
percent
parking
reduction.
C
B
H
The
memo
was
a
little
unclear
to
me.
It
made
had
many
references
to
planning
board
meetings
and
the
statutory
references,
and,
to
be
quite
honest,
I
gave
up
statutory
analysis
when
I
stopped
being
a
practicing
lawyer,
so
it
would
be
better.
I
think,
for
most
of
us
if
that
information
could
be
contained
within
the
memo
itself,
as
opposed
to
a
reference
to
the.
B
AC
Sure
you
bet
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
so
there
is
specific
provisions
and
standards
within
the
code
on
how
to
evaluate
a
solar
encroachment.
AC
It's
part
of
the
planning
board
memo
and
there's
a
link
to
that
planning
board
memo,
hopefully
that
you
can
open,
but
this
met
that
criteria
and
essentially
it's
just
ensuring
that
there's
no
other
means
to
to
make
this
accommodation
work
for
additional
solar
encroachment
or,
if
there's
any
indication
that
it
would
impact
the
neighbors
ability
to
provide
solar
in
the
future.
AC
In
this
case,
because
it's
a
solar
access
area
2,
it's
a
25-foot
solar
fence-
and
this
encroaches
about
six
feet
beyond
that
25
foot
shadow
today
and
it's
in
an
area
that
today
is
in
the
adjacent
spanish
towers
parking
lot.
So
findings
were
made
that
it
wouldn't
negate
solar
access
in
in
this
case
again,
solar
access
area,
2
is
protection
of
roof
tops
and
not
necessarily
parking.
Lots
it'd
be
difficult
in
this
location
to
be
able
to
impact
rooftop
solar.
Thank
you.
C
B
AE
AE
We're
all
in
3-d
good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
council,
I
am
joe
tadayucci.
I
am.
AE
AE
AE
It
certainly
is
a
very
complex
project
and
and
you've
heard
that
in
the
past
and
brandon
will
be
showing
some
of
that
when
you
see
the
steps
on
the
schedule,
but
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we're
still
on
track
and
moving
forward
and
in
order
to
make
that
progress.
There
have
been
a
couple
of
key
council
decisions
that
have
led
to
that
in
2020.
You
may
recall
that
we
landed
on
the
variant
one
100-year
alternative
as
the
basis
of
our
design
and
then
in
2021
or
2021.
AE
We
had
the
annexation
agreement,
which
was
also
key
for
us,
because
we
had
to
know
how
our
design
would
interact
with
the
university
property
and
what
we
had
to
work
with,
so
the
the
decisions
have
allowed
brandon
and
his
team
and
the
consultants
to
move
forward
before
I
turn
it
over.
I
did
want
to
mention
a
couple
of
relevant
and
positive
staffing
updates
in
in
utilities
we've
recently
hired
chris
douglas,
who
is
a
new
manager
of
our
engineering
and
capital
projects.
AE
AE
AF
Okay,
can
everybody
hear
me?
Okay,
okay,
as
joe
said,
I'm
brandon
coleman,
I'm
an
engineer
in
our
storm
flood
utility
on
the
project
manager
for
the
south,
boulder
creek
flood
mitigation
project
and
we'll
just
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
think
I
can
just
say
that.
AF
Okay,
so
tonight
we're
just
giving
a
project
update
and
good
evening
to
the
council
great
to
see
everybody
in
person
and
also
I
recognize
we
have
a
few
new
council
members-
quite
a
few
new
council
members,
so
we're
going
to
be
going
over
a
brief
kind
of
project
overview.
So
talking
a
little
bit
about
just
some
of
the
generalities
of
the
project
kind
of
what
joe
mentioned,
how
we
got
to
where
we're
at
today.
AF
Before
we
get
into
the
schedule,
it
is
a
very
complex
project,
so
it's
kind
of
helpful
to
get
your
feet
under
you
before.
You
see
the
schedule
we
have
proposed,
so
the
next
slide
please
and
then
the
next
one
too,
would
be
fine.
So
just
as
a
general
project
overview,
south
boulder
creek
is
a
major
drainage
way
in
the
city.
AF
It's
over
27
miles
long
and
includes
136
square
miles
of
watershed
area,
which
makes
it
the
second
biggest
drainage
to
enter
the
city
behind
boulder
creek,
the
headwaters
begin
at
the
continental
divide,
and
then
it
extends
all
the
way
to
its
confluence,
with
boulder
creek
on
the
east
side
of
the
city.
So
on
this
map
you
can
see
the
black
outline
is
boulder
city
limits
and
then
the
next
slide,
so
the
south
boulder
creek
drainage.
Watershed
area
is
very
similar
to
a
lot
of
headwater
drainages
in
the
front
range.
AF
And
if
you
can
see
in
this
map,
the
headwater
area,
the
upper
and
the
middle
basin
are
are
all
very
steep
and
canyones.
And
then,
when
you
get
into
the
lower
basin,
where
south
boulder
creek
enters
the
city,
it
becomes
much
flatter
and
the
flood
plain
tends
to
spread
out.
So
that
introduces
a
lot
of
variability
into
the
flood
plain
and
there's
a
few
major
features
on
south
boulder
creek,
including
gross
reservoir,
el
dorado
canyon
state
park
and
then
numerous
roadways
crossings,
including
state
highway,
93
and
us-36.
AF
So
the
next
slide,
so
I
work
in
the
storm.
Flood
utility
and
boulder
is
the
number
one
flood
risk
in
the
state
of
colorado.
We
have
16
major
drainage
ways,
and
this
is
just
a
map
of
all
the
drainage
waves
across
the
city.
A
fun
fact
I
like
to
point
out
is
you
can't
ride
your
bike
across
the
city
without
at
least
crossing
a
couple
major
drainage
ways,
so
in
south
boulder
creek
on
this
map
is
on
the
very
far
right
side
and
you'll
see
it's
kind
of
on
the
edge
of
town.
AF
So
the
next
slide,
so
south
boulder
creek
does
have
a
history
of
flooding.
It's
flooded
three
times
significantly
in
the
past,
in
1938,
1969
and
also
in
2013.
Most
recently,
the
in
1938
a
significant
difference
was
gross
reservoir
wasn't
in
place,
so
there
was
significant
damage
to
el
dorado
springs
area
in
1938,
and
then
in
1969
was
the
first
time
we
saw
us
36
over
top
and
flooding
in
the
west
valley
area.
AF
We
commonly
refer
to
it,
and
the
picture
shown
here
is
the
thunderbird
apartments
along
thunderbird
lane
after
south
boulder
creek
over
top
us
36
and
then
most
recently
in
2013,
we
had
major
flooding
from
the
south,
boulder
creek
drainage,
that
over
top
u.s
36-
and
this
is
kalmia
avenue-
and
this
picture
really
paints
the
need
for
the
project.
So
this
is
high
hazard
zone
very
deep
flooding
very
dangerous
to
life
safety.
AF
Okay,
so
so
the
key
part
of
this
project
is
really
protecting
life
and
safety,
so
this
is
south
boulder
creek
you'll,
see
diagonally
running
across
this
map
is
us-36,
and
the
red
outline
on
here
is
the
cu
south
property
just
to
give
people
kind
of
their
bearings
and
you'll
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
the
blue,
that's
the
main
channel
of
south
boulder
creek.
This
project's
really
focused
on
addressing
flooding
that
comes
through
the
city.
AF
So
if
you
click
on
the
slide
one
more
time,
so
we're
really
looking
at
mitigating
this
flooding
so
along
thunderbird
drive-
and
this
is
commonly
referred
to
as
the
west
valley
overflow.
So
there
is
a
high
hazard
zone
that
is
associated
with
this
and
high
hazard
is
unique
to
the
city
as
it
identifies
the
greatest
risk
to
life
safety.
So
that's
really
what
the
focus
of
the
project
is.
So
if
you
click
on
the
next
slide,.
AF
So
joe
mentioned,
we
got
approval
from
council
in
2020
to
move
forward
with
the
design
and
we've
been
working
on
the
conceptual
design
since
then,
and
we
still
have
regional
detention
right
at
us
36.
So
this
is
where
the
design
sits
today
and
we
got
some
more
definition
based
on
the
annexation
agreement
that
was
approved
last
year
as
well.
So
if
you
see
this
map,
the
dark
brown
area
is
an
earthen
embankment.
AF
There's
an
orange
area
which
is
earth
fill
and
that's
really
maintaining
the
existing
floodplain
as
it
sits
on
on
the
property
right
now
and
then
there's
an
orange
line
that
runs
parallel
to
us-36.
That's
our
spillway
or
the
flood
wall,
and
then
the
yellow
line
is
our
outlet
work.
So
the
intent
of
the
project
is
to
detain
the
flood
waters
in
this
facility
and
then
release
them
in
a
manner
through
our
outlet
works
to
veli
channel
as
to
not
impact
downstream.
AF
AF
Of
course,
there
we
go.
This
is
actually
looking
to
the
north
west
along
u.s
36.
So
us
36
is
in
the
foreground
there
and
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
you
can
see
the
table
mesa
park
and
ride,
and
that's
where
that
west
valley
flooding
kind
of
originates.
So
you
can
really
see
the
purpose
of
the
project
is
creating
this
detention
with
our
embankment
and
our
flood
wall
along
the
u.s
36
regional
bike
path.
AF
AF
So
another
important
part
of
this
project
and
really
important
to
city
values
is
just
protection
of
environmental
resources.
So
this
project
is
directly
adjacent
to
the
south,
boulder
creek
state,
natural
area,
which
has
really
high
quality
habitat
that
supports
diversity
of
wildlife,
and
that
includes
two
threatened
species,
the
preble's
meadow
jumping
mouse
and
also
the
lady
truss
orchid
and
yes-
and
it
also
supports
a
native
mesic
tall
grass,
prairie
and
also
the
riparian
and
wetlands
communities
in
that
area.
So
that's
a
dino.
AF
It's
a
I'm.
Trying
to
think
of
the
right
word
now
but
see.
Cpw
creates
the
state
natural
areas
and
it's
a
program
that
they
have
so
south
boulder
creek's
been
identified
as
a
unique
ecological
system
within
the
state.
AF
So
that's
just
really
high
level
overview
kind
of
of
the
project.
What
the
purposes
are
some
of
the
challenges
and
now
we'll
get
into
the
schedule
update
and
when
I
get
to
the
schedule
slide.
I
just
want
everybody
to
get
prepared.
There's
a
lot
of
agencies,
a
lot
of
coordination
that
needs
to
go
on
for
this
project
that
includes
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
u.s
fish
and
wildlife,
fema
state
agencies,
colorado,
department
of
transportation,
colorado,
division
of
water
resources,
where
the
state
engineer
sits,
as
I
mentioned,
cpw
and
then
also
internally
within
the
city.
AF
AF
So
this
is
our
schedule
and
kind
of
where
we're
at
today
so
I'll
walk
through
this
a
little
bit
slower
so
at
the
top
of
the
bar,
it's
in
quarters
and
it's
showing
out
to
the
year
2026
right
now
and
that
red
line's
about
where
we're
at
today.
So
the
first
set
of
activities
we
have
in
this
schedule
are
design
activities.
AF
So
this
is
really
related
to
the
engineering
and
the
design
associated
with
the
flood
mitigation
and,
as
you
can
see,
we're
getting
really
close
to
finishing
the
preliminary
design
or
the
30
percent
design,
which
includes
hydraulic
modeling,
geotech
analysis
and
also
civil
layout.
So
just
how
all
our
features
fit
together.
AF
How
we
make
sure
the
facility
is
going
to
work
when
we
design
it
so
we're
actually
getting
close
to
that
milestone
right
now,
which
is
really
exciting
news
and
we'll
be
moving
forward
from
there
in
the
design
and
then
the
next
design
activities
really
are
60
design.
So
that's
the
next
bar
on
here,
followed
by
90
design
and
then
final
design.
So
really
we
shouldn't
be
having
major
changes
to
the
design.
By
the
time
we
get
to
final
design.
AF
We
should
have
kind
of
fleshed
all
those
out
at
60
and
at
90,
but
those
are
review
milestones
for
the
design,
so
the
next
kind
of
bar
I
have
there
is
orange,
and
this
is
going
to
be
permitting.
AF
So
the
green
bar
is
really
our
environmental
permitting
and,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
environmental
resources
in
this
area.
So
it's
really
important.
We
really
count
for
environmental
permitting,
and
so
the
first
step
in
that
is
to
work
with
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
so
they'll
be
the
lead
permitting
agency.
As
far
as
environmental
permitting
goes
and
they'll
be
doing
a
404
review,
which
is
clean
waters
of
the
u.s
and
from
there
they
will
be
consulting
with
fish
and
wildlife
service
for
threatening
endangered
species.
AF
So
that's
the
next
bar
after
the
corps
determines
what
are
waters
of
the
u.s
and
then,
after
that
consultation
with
fish
and
wildlife.
We
would
then
have
the
corps
issue
that
permit
for
that
404
permit
and
then,
following
that,
we
would
go
to
our
city.
Wetlands
permit
and
our
city
wetlands
permit
is
actually
probably
going
to
be
more
stringent
than
what
the
core
would
give
us
as
a
404
permit,
but
all
the
wetlands
would
be
considered
in
the
city
that
we
would
be
impacting.
AF
So
that
would
be
the
last
step
because
we
need
our
404
permit
before
we
can
get
the
city
wetlands
permit.
So
the
next
bar
is
a
fema
clomer
and
clomer
is
just
flood
management,
us
acronym.
So
it's
a
conditional
letter
of
map
revision,
so
this
project
is
going
to
significantly
change
the
flood
plain
associated
with
south
boulder
creek.
AF
So
when
we
do
that,
we
need
fema's
approval
as
kind
of
the
federal
regulatory
agency
over
the
flood
plains
in
the
city
and
kind
of
across
the
country,
so
we'll
be
working
on
that
and
that
will
start
after
30
percent
design,
because
we've
done
that
hydraulic
modeling.
So
really
that's
going
to
be
at
the
next
phase
of
design.
We'll
start
that
and
then
next,
following
that,
so
there's
a
lot
of
impacts
to
us
36
I
showed
the
outlet
works,
which
would
be
a
tunnel
under
the
us-36
embankment
and
also
the
flood
wall
infrastructure.
AF
Some
of
that
will
be
located
in
cdot
right
away,
so
we're
going
to
need
a
c
dot
right
of
way
permit
and
then
last
throughout
the
whole
design
process.
The
facility
would
be
considered
a
high
hazard
dam
by
the
state
engineers
office,
and
so
they
will
be
doing
design
reviews
as
we
go
throughout
the
process.
So
that's
what
the
last
bar
is
in
permitting
and
they'll
give
us
a
design
approval
letter
once
we
get
towards
the
end
of
design.
AF
So
the
next
one
is
our
stakeholder
agreements
and
there's
some
a
lot
of
parties
involved
in
this.
So
the
city
doesn't
really
own
any
of
the
land.
So
we've
had
to
work
with
a
lot
of
the
stakeholders
around
around
where
the
property
is
going
to
be
so
the
first
one
is.
We
have
osmp
on
there
and
osmp
I'm
going
to
let
joe
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process
associated
with
that.
AF
AF
The
next
one
on
the
list
is
a
huge
milestone
for
the
project
and
gave
us
some
definition
just
around
what
we
can
actually
do
out
there,
because
a
large
portion
of
the
property
would
be
located
on
the
cu
south
property.
So
the
cu
south
annexation
agreement
got
approved
last
year.
That
was
a
really
big
milestone
for
us
as
a
design
team
and
also
for
the
project.
AF
The
next
one.
There
is
a
cdot
agreement,
so
this
is
going
to
be
separate
from
the
permitting
is
we're
going
to
have
to
enter
into
some
form
of
agreement
with
cdot
to
impact
their
right
of
way
as
we
go
forward.
So
that's
what
that
bar
is
denoting
and
then
there's
also
irrigation
ditches
in
the
area,
and
they
historically
are
some
of
the
oldest
infrastructure
in
the
city.
So
you
need
to
work
with
irrigation,
ditches
and
particularly
dry
creek.
AF
AF
We
would
go
to
a
bidding
process
and
then
selecting
our
contractor
and
starting
construction
around
sometime
in
2024
and
have
that
projected
out
to
go
into
2026
right
now
and
that's
the
schedule
that's
a
lot.
I
tried
to
go
through
that
slowly,
but
I
also
did
want
to
give
joe
turn
it
over
to
joe
and
really
talk
about
the
open
space
coordination
and
the
process
around
that.
AE
And
I
think
we
need
one
more
click
on
the
slide
to
have
a
there.
We
go
a
graphic
show
up.
So
what
you
just
saw
come
on.
The
screen
there
is
is
really
the
the
window
of
time
where
we
would
have
enough
design
detail
at
the
front
end
around
60
percent
design
to
start
working
with
the
open
space
team
department
and
their
board
in
earnest
to
go
through
the
disposal
process
and
that
can
occur
anywhere.
AE
It
won't
take
the
entire
green
box,
there's
some
flexibility
and
when
we
start
that
and
a
disposal
is,
is
really
a
three-step
process
because
of
the
the
way
that
charter
works
and
how
open
space
land
is
structured,
it
does
require
a
formal
action
from
the
board
first
and
and
then
from
city
council
and
then
after
that
there
is
a
60-day
public
notice
process
that
occurs
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we'd
be
ready
for
the
disposal
when
we
get
to
about
the
60
design
phase.
AE
AE
This
is
a
really
complicated
project,
so
we'll
also
be
working
with
the
open
space
staff,
as
brandon
mentioned,
and
with
their
board,
giving
them
updates
along
the
way,
as
we
would
do
with
any
stakeholder
to
make
sure
that
they're
comfortable
with
the
project
at
the
time
that
we
go
and
ask
them
for
a
decision
so
that
that's
kind
of
the
the
situation
with
a
disposal
and
this
schedule
and
all
the
steps
that
brandon
listed
may
seem
a
bit
overwhelming
for
our
utilities.
Engineering
team.
AE
I
don't
know
that
we
have
all
of
these
things
necessarily
on
the
same
project
ever,
but
all
of
the
steps
that
he
mentioned.
It
is
typical
for
us
to
get
these
types
of
permits
and
the
approvals
from
fema
and
cdot,
and
we've
we've
done
that
a
number
of
times
in
the
past.
So
again,
the
key
council
decisions
really
allowed
us
to
kind
of
stop
spinning
on
alternatives
and
get
started
down
the
road
of
obtaining
these
permits
and
and
working
on
the
design.
AE
So
that
is
kind
of
where
we're
at
and
just
to
to
clarify
the
terminology.
We're
using
we're,
saying
30,
60,
90
design
that
may
be
intuitive,
maybe
not,
but
it
just
has
to
do
with
the
level
of
detail.
We
start
out
with
a
conceptual
design
and
we
keep
working
with
our
consultants
and
we
build
on
the
level
of
detail
and
and
we
we
get
design
packages
at
various
stages.
AE
AE
AE
And
it
is
so
as
promised
at
the
beginning.
I
did
note
a
few
questions
and
and
made
some
notes
here.
AE
We
did
have
a
significant
contingency,
40
percent,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly
in
the
41
million
dollars,
so
that
we
do
have
some
room
to
accommodate
unexpected
changes
and
early
in
the
pandemic.
I
know
the
housing
industry
with
lumber
and
things
like
that
was
immediately
experiencing
escalated
costs
for
for
projects.
We
were
not
seeing
that
in
in
2020
and
early
2021
on
our
big
civil
engineering
projects
in
utilities.
AE
We
did
just
have
a
water
project
that
went
out
for
bid
and
our
engineers
estimate
was
around
18
million
dollars
and
it
came
in
4
million
over.
So
that's
the
type
of
scale
and-
and
I
think
the
what
we
need
to
be
bracing
ourselves
for
as
we're
seeing
projects
go
out
to
bid
and
come
in,
and
we've
tried
to
leave
plenty
of
cushion
for
this
one
to
accommodate
it.
AE
The
other
question
had
to
do
with
evacuation
routes
and
were
those
considered
in
the
annexation
process,
and
I
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
with
our
transportation
team,
our
planning
team
emergency
services,
our
fire
chief,
was
involved.
I
don't
recall
how
how
those
types
of
considerations
were
made
so
we'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
on
that
subject,
but
I
do
know
a
lot
of
thought
went
into
all
aspects
of
of
that
situation
and
brandon
mentioned
it
in
his
presentation.
AE
The
comment
in
public
comment
about
us
having
the
highest
rates
for
stormwater
and
flood
is
an
accurate
characterization.
We
are
the
highest
and
we're
also
the
highest
flood
risk
in
the
state
of
colorado
and
we're
going
through
a
storm
water
and
flood
master
plan
right
now
and
at
a
large
scale
trying
to
quantify
our
overall
needs
for
the
utility
and
the
scale
of
the
cost
and
the
duration
of
time
that
we're
going
to
need
to
complete
those
projects.
B
I
First
of
all,
joe
and
brandon,
thanks
for
that
great
presentation
really
appreciate
it,
and
obviously
please
do
keep
us
informed
as
things
progress
here
over
the
coming
months
and
quarters.
Just
one
question:
I
noticed
in
one
of
your
slides:
you
had
the
logo
of
the
mile
high
flood
district
up.
Do
you
anticipate,
of
course,
that's
a
separate
taxi
entity
up
and
down
the
front
range.
AE
AF
Yeah,
so
we
enter
an
iga
with
the
mile
high
flood
district
and
currently
they
match
what
we
will
contribute
to
the
project
and
currently
they
have
over
two
million
dollars
contributed
to
the
project
and
we
anticipate
that
pro
number
to
go
up
through
their
cip
process,
as
they
prove
more
budget
in
the
coming
years.
AE
I
would
also
mention
that
you
can't
turn
on
the
news
without
hearing
about
federal
funds
and
around
infrastructure
and
we're
working
with
our
central
finance
team
and
our
utilities,
financial,
lead
and
tracking
those
very
carefully
and-
and
we
don't
have
anything
specific
lined
up
yet
but
have
some
leads
and
we're.
Looking
into
those
things
carefully.
AG
J
Yeah
thanks
for
their
presentation,
it's
exciting
to
see
it
moving
forward,
although
you
know
that
the
end
date
still
looks
far
away
so
appreciate
all
the
work
you
all
are
doing
on
that.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
two
things
in
the
memo
where
it
said:
66
million,
we
did
negotiate
that
I
believe
under
50
million.
So
in
the
annexation
agreement,
the
the
projected
costs
got
shaved
down
a
lot.
AE
They
did
and
I
had
that
information
before
the
meeting
and
I'm
drawing
a
blank
on
what
the
number
was
but
you're
you're
in
the
right.
Ballpark.
J
It
got
negotiated
down
substantially.
Yes,
I
recall-
and
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
with
me
either
and
then
on
the
you
know,
there
was
a
question
around
fires
and
evacuation,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
agreement
included
a
strong.
I
think
it's
transportation
demand
management
tdm.
J
This
is
not
my
forte
concept
plan
and
so
that
that
area
will
actually
you
know,
will
really
encourage
people
not
to
have
cars
first
of
all
and
and
to
have
a
lot
of
public
transit.
So
my
concern
would
be
more
is,
is
cu
going
to
have
good
evacuation
plans
for
the
people
who
live
there
without
cars,
but
as
a
as
opposed
to
the
rest
of
boulder?
It
actually
should
not
have
a
ton
of
autos,
and
it's
also
people
who
are
already
going
to
school
here
and
working
here
and
so
their
cars.
AE
Unfortunately-
and
I
utilities
has
a
role
in
that
and
I'm
participating
in
in
some
of
those
planning
meetings
and
discussions-
and
there
is
a
lot
of
conversation
around
evacuation
for
and
fire
is
not
the
only
issue-
there
are
floods
and
droughts
and
and
other
things
that
we
have
to
think
about,
and
there
is
planning
that
goes
into
all
of
it
and
advanced
plans
that
get
prepared
for
the
community.
B
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
on
myself
with
a
question.
I
do
note
that
some
of
the
permits
that
we're
looking
at,
like
with
the
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service
and
the
corps
of
engineers,
the
timelines
for
those
and
before
we're
at
the
90
design
phase.
So
are
they
comfortable
with
a
30
or
60
milestone,
or
are
we
gonna
have
to
go
back
to
them
or
how
does
that
work
right?.
AF
So
the
first
step
in
that
is
really
to
say
here
is
our
project
footprint?
Are
there
waters
of
u.s
impacts
in
that
project?
So
that's.
What
we're
waiting
for
right
now
is
is
called
a
jurisdictional
determination,
but
we
can
submit
and
work
with
them
at
a
30
design
level.
As
long
as
we
have
kind
of
a
relative
footprint
of
what
the
project
looks
like
and
then
that'll
give
them
enough
information
to
be
able
to
consult
with
fish
and
wildlife,
but
really
that
jurisdictional
determination
is
going
to
drive
what
type
of
permit
we're
getting.
G
Thank
you
aaron.
I
was
just
looking
at
your
presentation
again
and
you
mentioned
30
60
design,
and
I
wonder
where
are
we
right
now
by
looking
at
those
designs
and
then
my
second
question
is:
maybe
I'm
looking
at
this
wrong?
Why
does
it
look
like
a
lake.
AF
Yeah
brandon,
those
are
good
questions
so
currently
we're
just
wrapping
up
the
30
design
and
what
we
did
to
get
to
that
stage
was
we
really
try
to
characterize
the
site?
AF
So
it's
a
lake,
that's
continually
draining
is
a
good
way
to
think
about
it,
but
where
we
have
to
detain
that
water
so
that
we
don't
further
impact
people
downstream
for
where
we
redirect
that
water.
So
that's
why
we
have
the
detention
there
and
that's
why
it
looks
like
a
lake
in
the
renderings.
AF
So,
there's
a
major
drainage
way
that
runs
along
south
boulder
road.
It's
called
vieli
channel
that
originates
by
the
south,
boulder
rec
center
and
then
comes
down
and
actually
discharges
back
to
the
main
channel
south
boulder
creek.
So
we
would
have
our
facility
discharge
under
us
36
to
that
channel
and
by
having
the
detention
we
can
discharge
that
channel
without
making
those
impacts
downstream.
Worse.
AF
Not
a
everyday
occurrence,
yes,
so
that
would
be
when
the
flood
comes.
It'll
fill
up
and
it'll
start
to
drain,
and
we
have
to
drain
it
within
a
certain
time
period
to
meet
water
law
in
colorado
and
everything
so
it'll
drain
completely
after
the
flood
has
passed
so.
E
Thanks
aaron
first.
E
E
A
you
know,
an
esa
consultation
which
I
presume,
results
in
a
esa
study
and
usually
with
those
there's
comment,
public
comment
periods,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
that
in
your
timelines,
are
you
already
baking
in
sort
of
like
the
longest
comment
periods?
Just
for
you
know
being
conservative
in
that
aspect,
because
I
know
some
of
them
can
go
45
or
90
days
in
some
aspects
and
also
is
there
a
nepa
built
in
here
at
all,
or
is
that
really
embedded
in
the
esa
in
that
in
that
capacity?
E
I
appreciate
that
when
you
get
to
that,
maybe
just
err
on
the
side
of
public
asking
for
extensions,
because
that
in
some
of
my
environmental
work
I
see
that
be
quite
common.
So
just
so
that
we're
you
know,
being
conservative
on
our
timelines.
Sure
and.
AF
AG
AI
One
of
the
concerns
I've
heard
a
lot
is
sort
of
regarding
the
amount
of
flood
capacity.
You
know
we're
designing
for
a
hundred
year
in,
in
the
event
that
we
were
to
have
a
flood
that
was
beyond
that
capacity.
Are
you
guys?
Maybe
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
how
that.
AE
I
can
start
that
and
brandon.
Maybe
you
can
supplement
what
I
have
to
say,
one
of
the
things
and-
and
I
think
it
really
gets
to
the
climate
change
concepts
and
expecting
more
frequent
and
and
more
severe
events,
and
so
any
flood
protection
that
we
provide
in
any
drainage
will
help
the
community
for
the
first
aspect.
If,
if
we
have
protection
in
place
and
floods
happen
more
frequently,
it
will
help,
and
so
the
question
of
what
happens
if
the
500-year
flood
comes,
and
we
only
have
100
year
protection.
AE
Well,
the
the
project
will
hold
back
water
until
it
exceeds
the
the
hundred
year
level
and
then
water
as
designed,
will
start
flowing
over
the
spillway
and
there
will
be
downstream
flooding.
But
people
will
still
benefit
the
inundation
downstream,
because
the
project
is
there
will
be
less
than
it
would
without
the
project.
AE
Even
if
our
design
level
is
exceeded-
and
I
think
they're
a
common
concept-
and
I
think
we
heard
it
during
public
comment
tonight-
is
that
it
was
a
discretionary
choice
for
cu's
benefit
for
us
to
go
with
the
100
year
flood
level
and
that's
really
not
accurate.
We
looked
at
feasibility,
we
can't
make
conditions
worse
for
people
downstream
and
we
could
not
match
the
conditions
we
needed
to
in
our
design
for
over
a
hundred
year,
flood.
AG
AI
And
could
you
also
maybe
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
how
so
you
know
in
the
more
recent
flood
where
it
over
top
36?
AI
You
know
the
kind
of
sudden
inundation
that
people
got,
how
that
might
compare
to
some
water
going
over
the
spillway
and
you
know,
are
those
the
same
sort
of
things
or
does
this
design
help
sort
of
slow
that
process.
AE
Well,
a
couple
of
things
about
that
and-
and
we've
met
several
times
during
the
public
engagement
process
with
the
people
who
live
downstream
of
us
36
and
experience
that
flooding
and
they're
very
interested
in
the
in
the
progress
of
this
design,
as
well
as
emergency
warning,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
after
talking
with
them
that
is
has
been
installed,
is
a
camera.
We
have
a
camera
system
in
the
city
and
some
of
those
are
focused
on
creeks
and
can
give
us
insight
when,
when
we're
in
a
precipitation
event
to
what's
happening.
AE
So
that
is
something
that
we've
put
in
place
in
the
in
the
last
year
is
online
and
I'm
now
forgetting
the
the
the
crux
of
the
question.
AI
I
think
so,
basically,
if
the
spillway
were,
if
we
were
to
have
a
flood
event,
that
where
floodwaters
went
through
the
spillway,
would
that
be
sort
of
a
similar
flood
to
what
we
had
in
2013.
Or
is
the
spillway
still
going
to
create
different
conditions.
AF
So
this
facility
does
give
us
some
time
to
react
because
we'd
start
to
see
it
fill
up
before
it
actually
gets
to
the
spillway
elevation
and
that
could
be
beneficial
in
our
emergency
warning
system.
So
I
think,
with
the
fires
and
everything
we're
seeing
how
that
emergency
warning
system
works
and
having
this
facility
be
part
of
our
storm
flood
utility.
AF
J
Since
we
got
on
the
100
versus
500,
I'm
just
going
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions.
I
mean
it's
always
good
and
this
council
hasn't
heard
it
before.
So
you
know,
I
think
it
is
relevant
so
like
to
your
last
point
brandon.
If
this
was
500
years
is,
is
this
100
year
and
then
it's
five
times
more
for
500
or
is
it
dif
like
how
much
is
this
bottle
is
going
to
be
retained
in
100
year
versus
500
year?
And
if
that's
not
a
good
visual,
then.
AF
AF
That's
what
I
have
here
yeah,
I
in
engineering
term,
we
would
say
the
bottle's
probably
not
to
scale
but
but
yes,.
AF
The
way
the
facility
works
is
essentially
we're
trying
to
drain
the
facility
as
fast
as
allowable.
So
when
our
peak
flow
hits,
we
actually
have
storage
for
that
storage
volume,
so
we
are
storing
quite
a
bit
of
volume.
I
don't
know
the
exact
like
proportions
to
the
500
to
the
100,
but
I
know
it's
a
significant
it.
You
definitely
see
the
mapping
reflect
the
500
year
flood
much
less
than
what
is
currently
with
the
facility
in
place.
Does
that
well.
J
AF
Yep-
and
it's
also
good
to
point
out
just
this-
is
phase
one
of
this
facility,
so
we're
or
of
the
flood
mitigation
on
south
boulder
creek.
So
really,
this
is
addressing
the
flooding
from
south
boulder
creek,
the
river,
which
upstream
is
very
natural,
and
then,
when
you
get
downstream
of
here,
you
see
significant
runoff,
also
from
the
urban
drainage
of
kind
of
the
west
valley
neighborhoods
as
well,
so
that
would
be
phase
two
of
the
mitigation.
But
yes,
the
500
is
not
five
times
larger
than
the
100
year.
J
Yeah
and-
and
I
think
it's
it's
not
anywhere
near
there,
if
I,
if
I
follow
it
correctly,
a
couple
more
questions
where
else
in
the
city
do
we
have
500
year
flood
mitigation
in
place.
J
Yeah,
so
it's
zero,
so
zero
or
five
hundred
and
hundreds
of
max,
and
that's
that's,
not
the
majority
of
of
flood
mitigation
systems.
We
have
are
at
100
right
there
at
10
and
25.
AE
J
And
then
I
just
also
want
to
clarify,
as
I
recall,
and
I
would
invite
colleagues
who
were
on
council
at
the
time
with
me
to
to
to
recollect
as
well.
But
when
we
were
looking
at
100
versus
500,
it
would
have
been
much
more
environmentally
damaging
to
do
500
year.
It
would
have
possibly
not
been
permittable
to
do
500
years
due
to
the
c
dot
tie-in
and
it
would
have
been
like
30
or
40
million
more
dollars
is
that
is
that
about
right.
AE
Yeah
that
that's
accurate
and
and
the
really
came
down
to
the
flood
modeling
and
just
not
being
able
to
match
existing
conditions,
which
is
a
prerequisite
of
of
flood
mitigation
projects.
But
had
that
not
been
the
case
and
all
the
other
things
all
the
other
challenges
that
the
500-year
flood
would
have
faced.
On
top
of
that,
it
would
have
been
hard
for
staff
to
recommend
continuing
to
pursue
that
and
fund
pursuing
it.
J
Yeah-
and
so
I
I
just
want
to
stay
for
the
record,
like
I
advocated
for
500
years
mitigation
before
I
got
on
council
and
it
didn't,
it
became
infeasible.
So
I
think
that
we
hear
a
lot
from
the
community.
Let's
have
500
and
and
that's
like
asking
for
a
million
year
mitigation,
because
it's
just
not
doable
thanks.
H
H
They
were
only
prepared
to
do
a
and,
as
a
consequence,
we
took
the
option
that
was
available
to
us.
I
don't
think
we
did
anything,
we
didn't.
We
didn't
choose
to
ignore
500-year
flood
mitigation,
it
simply
wasn't
on
offer
from
cu,
and
so
this
is
what
we've
got
and
I
you
know.
I
think
this
is
that's.
Obviously
a
very
substantial
improvement
over
where
we
were.
B
AE
Yeah
and
this
and
the
negotiations
on
this
project-
and
the
analysis
goes
back
literally
25
years,
but
really
in
earnest
goes
back
to
2015
and
brandon.
I
think
came
into
the
mix
here
in
early
2019
or
2018,
and
I
I
came
into
it
in
august
of
of
29
2019.
B
A
Z
Chris
jones,
making
his
way
down
the
runway,
the
walkway,
whatever
you're
gonna,
do
chris,
but
know
that
we
have
been
talking
about
outdoor
dining
for
a
while.
We
certainly
want
to
talk
through
some
of
those
insights
that
we
gathered
through
the
pandemic
and
certainly
have
done
a
lot
of
conversation,
certainly
with
you
and
with
our
community,
about
the
benefits
and
the
next
steps
for
what
outdoor
dining
has
for
us
as
a
city
and
in
that
process
too.
We've
also
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
what
are
those
I
think
I'll
use.
Z
I
think
it's
rachel's
notion
of
what
are
the
silver
linings.
We
have
learned
over
the
pandemic
and
we
had
some
of
those
conversations
about
beyond
just
closing
certain
streets,
and
we
certainly
will
be
talking
about
the
west
end.
But
what
else
did
we
learn
in
the
pandemic
that
could
be
scaled
across
neighborhoods
in
the
future
and
so
some
opportunities
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that?
I
think
are
forthcoming,
and
with
that
I
think
I've
talked
enough
to
give
chris
a
chance
to
get
settled.
Chris.
AH
Thank
you,
maria
for
the
distraction.
Oh
thank
you
nuria
for
the
distraction
for
a
moment
and
good
evening,
council
chris
jones
interim
director
of
community
vitality.
I'm
glad
to
be
here
delighted
to
talk
about
outdoor
dining
and
the
west
end
closure,
but
I
would
be
remiss
to
not
point
out
some
folks
that
we
have
in
the
audience.
Well,
I
will
be
doing
most
of
the
talking
this
evening.
AH
There's
been
a
lot
of
folks
from
a
number
of
different
departments
that
have
been
helping
in
this
conversation,
so
that
have
gotten
us
to
the
point
we're
at
this
evening:
folks
from
planning
and
development
services,
transportation
and
mobility,
the
city
attorney's
office,
business
licensing
and,
of
course,
community
vitality
and
yvette
bowden.
I
know,
while
the
faces
have
changed
the
folks
who
are
working
on
this,
have
not
so
still
delighted
to
be
here
and
looking
forward
to
learning
more
about
expectations
moving
forward.
So
next
slide.
AH
So
tonight
I've
got
a
number
of
things.
I
want
to
talk
through.
First
we're
going
to
go
through
some
background
on
how
we
got
to
this
point
today.
Then
some
scoping
considerations
for
the
work
moving
forward
for
staff.
We
have
been
working
on
the
concept
of
a
pilot
program.
The
last
time
we
talked
about
this.
There
was
some
direction
around
looking
at
a
downtown
program,
so
we
do
have
some
work,
that's
been
done
and
we
want
some
some
feedback
on
some
of
that
moving
forward.
AH
There
are
also
a
number
of
regulatory
considerations
that
we
want
to
get
some
guidance
on
and
then,
of
course,
the
west
end
closure.
While
there
was
not
guidance
that
was
provided
from
council
the
last
time
we
talked
about
this
around
the
west
end.
As
we've
been
pursuing
this
work,
it
comes
up
time
and
time
again,
so
we
have
some
questions
for
you
this
evening
on
that.
AH
Finally,
we
have
done
an
amount
of
engagement
and
gotten
some
feedback
from
different
entities
and
want
to
share
some
results
there
and
then
we'll
move
into
questions
from
council
for
staff
and
then
want
to
hear
your
discussion
and
then
I'll
have
a
next
step
slide
that'll
be
contingent
on
your
direction
next
slide.
Please
so
way
back.
When
did
eternity
go
in
may
of
2020?
AH
With
that
we
closed
the
west
end
of
vehicle
traffic,
given
the
high
concentration
of
restaurants
that
we
know
exist
and
existed
in
that
stretch
of
pearl
street,
that
required
us
to
reroute
the
hop
route
on
that
segment,
and
also
we
heard
from
other
businesses
saying
that
the
hop
kind
of
impacted,
the
ambiance
of
spaces
on
the
east
end,
so
the
hop
was
rerouted
there
as
well.
We
also
implemented
some
curbside
pickup
zones,
so
this
was
to
help
businesses
that
were
more
focused
on
takeout
orders,
and
so
we
implemented
those
those
have
since
been
discontinued.
AH
Now
that
our
new
on-street
pay
stations
allow
15
minutes
free,
no
matter
where
you
park
once
per
day
per
vehicle,
we
we
eliminated
those
pickup
zones,
so
we
had
that
condition
through
the
summer
of
2020
and
then
in
october
of
2020,
the
city
extended
the
program
with
some
additional
requirements
around
winter
operations.
So
that's
when
the
jersey
barriers
showed
up
to
protect
folks
in
the
winter
conditions.
AH
In
september
of
last
year,
there
was
an
agenda
item
exploring
further
extension
of
those
emergency
orders
to
april
30th
of
this
year.
It's
a
misprint
on
the
typo
or
on
the
the
slide,
and
then
a
conversation
around
the
future
of
outdoor
dining.
That's
when
we
got
direction
around
focusing
on
a
downtown
boulder
pilot,
so
the
the
emergency
orders
were
extended
and
staff
began
work
on
exploring
this
downtown
boulder
pilot.
AH
In
february
of
this
year,
we
presented
for
an
information
item
to
council
to
explore
that
further,
and
we
got
some
feedback
both
from
stakeholders
council
members,
knowing
that
there
were
some
still
some
big
unanswered
questions
that
we
want
to
pose
with
you
tonight.
So
then.
Finally,
in
march,
you
considered
some
funding
considerations
for
arpa
that
were
approved
through
the
adjustment
to
base
in
support
of
the
city's
proposed
business
recovery,
and
then
the
emergency
orders
were
extended
by
the
city
manager
through
august
31st
of
this
year.
AH
So
that
leads
next
slide.
Please
I'm
going
through
the
slides
as
well.
So
I
need
to
remember
to
also
ask
that
leads
to
our
questions.
So
these
are.
These
are
some
background.
I
know
they're
in
your
packet,
but
we're
seeking
some
specific
guidance
from
you
all
this
evening.
AH
Then
does
council
wish
to
direct
staff
to
take
necessary
and
to
take
steps
necessary
to
continue
or
discontinue
the
temporary
west
end
closure
to
vehicle
traffic
as
it
contemplates
the
possible
addition
of
a
future
work
plan
item
to
develop
a
long-term
downtown
vision
that
includes
shared
street
concepts
and
finally,
what
additional
community
engagement
does
council
desire,
moving
forward
regarding
the
pilot
program
and
the
temporary
western
closure
to
vehicle
traffic
so
about
four
hours
for
this
item
tonight?
Maybe
next
slide,
please
so.
AH
First,
some
scoping
considerations
that
we're
seeking
some
guidance
on
next
slide
we're
wanting
some
guidance
around
the
geographic
parameters
of
our
pilot
program.
Again,
we
were
originally
focused
on
a
downtown
boulder
pilot
and
are
wanting
to
to
hear
from
council
on
expectations
of
maybe
a
city-wide
program.
There
are
also
some
questions
around
seasonality.
Should
we
be
allowing
outdoor
dining
year-round
and
letting
restaurants
or
participating
businesses
decide
whether
or
not
they
keep
that
equipment
out
during
winter
months?
AH
And
then
there
are
considerations
around
the
use
of
public
right-of-way
and
what
space
should
we
be,
allowing
businesses
to
expand
to
to
what
extent
and
would
that
be
limited
to
on-street
parking?
Where
should
we
be
thinking
about
that
on
the
pearl
street
mall
bricks,
and
there
are
other
available
spaces
on
sidewalks
and
other
open
spaces?
We
also
have
some
considerations
around
private
park
property.
A
number
of
participating
businesses
have
expanded
into
their
private
parking
spaces
or
other
open
spaces,
and
that's
another
consideration
for
the
program
and
finally,
there's
the
west
end
component.
AH
Again,
it's
it's
intrinsic
with
the
decisions
that
we
make
around
outdoor
dining
are
intrinsically
intrinsically
connected
to
what
we
do
on
the
west
end.
So
next
slide,
we've
attempted
to
summarize
this
range
of
options
into
a
matrix.
The
first
option
could
be
council's
council's
will
could
could
be
no.
We
are
not
going
to
extend
these
outdoor
dining
extensions
and
we
are
not
going
to
continue
the
vehicle
west
enclosure.
That
outcome
would
lead
to
a
pretty
much
pre-pandemic
conditions.
We
go
back
to
the
status
quo
that
existed
prior
to
may
of
2020..
AH
So
when
it
comes
to
the
proposed
pilot
program
next
slide,
we
have
a
number
of
considerations
that
we
have
taken
into
account
as
we're
working
to
to
really
narrow
in
on
what
we
are
going
to
require
businesses
to
do
and
and
provide
guidelines
for
how
we
want
to
move
forward.
So
these
categories
are
safety,
accessibility,
equity
and
operations
safety.
This
is
the
level
to
which
all
people
can
access
destinations
and
enjoy
their
use
of
the
public,
right-of-way
and
outdoor
dining
infrastructure
without
any
threat
to
life
or
limb.
AH
Accessibility
is
the
level
to
which
all
people
can
easily
reach
desired,
destinations
with
unobstructed
access
within
the
public
right-of-way,
regardless
of
purpose,
transportation,
mode
or
ability.
Equity
is
the
level
to
which
the
city
can
reasonably
facilitate
an
equal
playing
field.
Among
all
businesses,
as
well
as
other
legitimate
uses
of
the
public
right-of-way
operations
would
be
the
level
to
which
staff
and
facility
resources
are
impacted
relative
to
our
pre-pandemic
conditions.
AH
AH
So
when
it
comes
to
safety,
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
these
things,
but
we're
really
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we're
protecting
people
from
impacts
when
it
comes
to
operating
outdoors
from
wind,
snow,
flood,
other
considerations
and
then
there's
also
interactions
that
happen
in
the
public
right-of-way
when
it
comes
to
operating
in
parking
spaces.
You
are
inherently
operating
close
to
vehicles,
so
making
sure
that
people
are
safe
from
those
types
of
components
and
then
in
the
in
the
hopefully
unlikely
event
that
bad
things
do
happen.
AH
We
need
to
understand:
what's
the
liability
considerations
for
these
extensions
in
the
public
right-of-way
next
slide
on
the
accessibility
front.
Ada
is
so
important.
American
sorry,
americans
with
disabilities
act
so
making
sure
that
we
are
thinking
about
how
all
people
might
experience
these
spaces.
AH
So
the
photos
that
you
see
on
the
right,
while
might
look
like
a
really
inviting
place
to
dine.
You
can't
park
your
bike
in
that
bike,
rack
anymore,
because
it's
now
being
encroached
upon
by
the
park
bench,
the
other
dining
space
might
look
really
inviting
and
cozy
and
warm
in
the
winter.
But
if
you're
a
person
who
uses
a
wheelchair,
you
cannot
access
that
space
and
I
won't
mention
how
the
tree
grate
is
not
now
able
to
get
as
much
water
to
keep
that
tree
alive
with
the
platform
over
that
surface
next
slide.
AH
When
it
comes
to
equity,
we
have
folks
who
have
been
able
to
expand
larger
than
others,
and
so
there
are
some
considerations
around
how
much
you
know.
Should
we
be
allowing
individual
businesses
to
expand
in
the
right
of
way
and
then
are
there?
Is
there
a
limitation
on
on
businesses
that
can
participate?
Whether
they
are
expanding
onto
private
property,
public
right-of-way,
whether
their
restaurant
or
another
type
of
business,
because
the
program
that
we
did
originally
established
allowed
retailers
also
to
participate.
AH
Even
if
we
are
allowing
these
private
uses
of
the
public
right-of-way
next
slide
when
it
comes
to
operations?
No
matter
what
we
do,
there
is
a
permitting
implication
for
our
planning
department,
as
they
are
seeking
to
identify
who
wants
to
participate
in
the
program,
and
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
they're
following
the
rules
we
are
pursuing
modularity
in
this
work,
to
make
sure
that
there's
some
consistent
infrastructure,
that's
predictable
and
easy
to
remove
when
there's
our
maintenance
needs
or
special
events
happening
or
other
considerations.
AH
If
there
is
a
seasonal
component
to
this,
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
where
any
of
this
equipment
would
be
stored
or
who's
responsible
for
that
and
then
who's
responsible
for
putting
it
back
out
when
the
season
starts
up
again
and
finally,
ongoing
maintenance
from
snow
removal
to
street
sweeping
to
repairs
of
both
city
infrastructure,
curb
and
gutter
streets
and
the
infrastructure,
the
outdoor
dining
infrastructure
itself.
Who
is
responsible
for
that?
Moving
forward
next
slide,
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
all
these
elements,
but
there
is.
AH
But
in
that
draft
framework
that
we
did
include
in
the
packet
we
are
proposing
that
we
do
allow
restaurants
to
expand
in
the
public,
right-of-way
or
private
property
and
ex
and
we're
exploring
steps
to
help
make
sure
that
can
happen.
So
this
would
be
a
city-wide
program
where
we're
limiting
participation
to
a
maximum
of
500
square
p
square
feet
per
participating
business.
This
would
be
a
five-year
pilot
program
and
proposed
to
be
year-round
or
the
discretion
of
the
participating
businesses.
AH
We
would
propose
that
this
would
end
or
the
program
would
begin.
Sorry
at
the
end
of
the
coven
19
emergency
orders
currently
scheduled
for
august
31st,
a
revocable
license
would
be
required
for
this
participation
and
we're
looking
to
we're
working
to
identify
a
preferred
vendor
list
that,
if
restaurants
or
participating
businesses
want
to
be
fast-tracked
through
that
permitting
process,
there
are
some
vendors
that
we're
looking
at
that
can
provide
this
infrastructure
that
provides
that
level
of
predictability
that
we
are
needing
if
we
want
this
to
to
move
efficiently
next
slide.
AH
There
also
are
a
lot
of
considerations
around
how
and
who
pays
for
this
transition
from
whatever
is
out
there.
Now
to
this
city
approved
compliant
infrastructure,
as
I
mentioned,
council
did
approve
the
250
000
in
arpa
funds
as
part
of
the
adjustment
to
base
and
the
the
business
recovery
program.
The
caged
central
area,
general
improvement
district
we've
also
identi
identified
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
funding
that
can
help
support
a
program.
AH
If
you
are
expanding
in
the
public
right-of-way
we've
identified
an
option
a
where
individual
businesses
could
pursue
purchase
of
compliant
infrastructure,
and
we
could
use
the
funds
that
council
has
made
available
to
us
to
subsidize
a
portion
of
their
purchase
contingent
on
their
transformation
from
whatever
they
have
out
there.
Now
to
this
compliant
infrastructure.
AH
The
maintenance
and
storage
of
that
program
might
be
on
the
city,
responsibility,
side
or
a
partner
that
we're
working
with
on
that
option
for
private
property.
We're
not
suggesting
that
the
city
would
be
involved
in
purchasing
infrastructure
that
would
be
placed
on
private
property
and
leased
out,
but
we
would
allow
we're.
We
would
consider
allowing,
with
your
guidance,
a
program
that
that
folks
purchase
their
own
compliant
infrastructure.
AH
They
would
be
able
to
apply
for
a
grant
reimbursement
amount
to
be
determined
to
help
subsidize
their
transition
from
whatever
they
have
out
there
now
to
the
city
compliant
infrastructure.
Again,
their
maintenance
and
storage,
maintenance
and
storage
of
that
infrastructure
would
be
responsibility
of
that
business.
AH
That
leads
us
next
slide,
please
to
some
reg,
no
matter
what
direction
we
go.
There
are
some
regulatory
considerations,
planning
and
development
services
has
provided
a
script
in
lieu
of
having
edward
walk
up
here
in
transition,
I'm
going
to
read
through
the
script
that
they
provided
next
slide.
Please,
so
many
development
types
are
required
to
be
approved
through
the
use
review
process.
Use
review
is
a
discretionary
land
use
approval
that
may
be
allowed
if
a
particular
use
is
demonst
is
demonstrated
to
be
appropriate
in
the
proposed
location.
AH
The
standards
for
use
review
are
intended
to
ensure
that
such
uses
are
compatible
with
and
do
not
have
adverse
impacts
on
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
Under
the
land
use
code.
Use
reviews
are
required
for
outdoor
seating
areas
that
are
over
300
square
feet
in
size
and
within
500
feet
of
a
residential
zoning
district.
This
review
is
required
in
all
mixed
uses,
business
and
downtown
zoning
districts
that
allow
outdoor
dining
typical
requirements
relate
to
good
neighbor
practices,
amplified
and
non-amplified
sound
screening
and
hours
of
operation.
AH
Also
during
the
pandemic,
the
city
has
allowed
the
use
of
parking
lots
on
private
property
for
outdoor
seating
areas.
This
permission
may
not
be
in
compliance
with
approved,
planned
unit,
development,
site
review
or
other
city
approvals
on
for
the
property
throughout
the
pandemic.
Pursuant
to
the
emergency
orders,
staff
has
not
required
compliance
with
these
development
regulations
for
the
new
outdoor
seating
areas
that
have
been
established,
there
are
probably
other
requirements
that
may
need
to
be
modified
as
well
as
we
continue
to
learn
more
about
the
outdoor
seating
pilot
program.
AH
AH
Next
slide,
please,
and
that
gets
us
to
the
west
end
closure.
Next
slide.
We
applied
the
same
considerations,
safety,
accessibility,
equity
and
operations
to
what's
being
experienced
on
the
west
end.
So
when
it
comes
to
safety,
the
barriers
are
required
to
keep
that
space
safe
and
clear
from
motor
vehicles,
but
those
they
are
providing
some
delay
or
causing
some
delay
for
emergency
access.
AH
There
have
been
some
witnesses
of
scooters
and
motorized
vehicles
still
operating
within
the
boundaries
because
they
can
fit
through
the
openings.
You
can
see
a
motorcycle
parked
on
the
sidewalk
on
the
photo
on
the
right
and
the
mall
loop
traffic
on
the
one-way
loop
around
the
the
four
block.
Pedestrian
mall
has
been
diverted
to
a
certain
point
to
other
streets,
and
so
cause
could
be
causing
some
safety
considerations
there.
AH
The
pickup
and
drop-off
behavior
that
we're
seeing
of
both
people
and
freight
has
led
to
some
unpredictable
movements
at
the
ends
of
these
closures,
and
so
just
some
safety
considerations
in
that
in
that
front,
and
then
also,
we've
noted
some
wrong
way:
traffic
on
the
10th
street
stub,
it's
low
volume,
low
speed,
but
some
unpred
again
more
unpredictable
behavior
that
can
lead
to
some
safety
conflicts
next
slide.
AH
When
it
comes
to
accessibility,
there
are
a
number
of
ada
parking
spaces
within
this
west
end
area
that
are,
of
course,
no
longer
accessible
to
people
who
need
them
trying
to
get
close
to
their
destinations.
Micro
mobility
access
is
somewhat
limited.
We've
been
able
to
work
with
some
of
the
restaurants
to
open
some
spaces
back
up,
so
we
are
able
to
get
bikes
and
and
scooters
through
more
efficiently
now,
but
there
was
a
challenge
earlier
in
the
closure.
AH
Again,
I
mentioned
emergency
access
and
challenges
around
loading.
You
can
see
on
the
right
here
an
example
of
a
freight
vehicle
just
parking
where
they
can,
at
the
very
end
of
the
closure,
to
take
care
of
the
business
that
they
need.
The
hop
again
has
been
rerouted
and
we
have
unused
boarding
areas
that
have
been
that
were
just
built,
probably
about
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
again,
loading
and
unloading
for
passengers
and
freight
is
limited
next
slide
when
it
comes
to
equity.
AH
The
fast
casual
restaurant
business
model
has
it
seems
to
be
suffering
in
this
environment
and
they're,
not
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
the
takeout
nature
that
a
lot
of
folks
have
been
employing
during
the
pandemic,
and
so
that's
been.
You
know,
folks,
like
chipotle
and
the
bond
me
shop
didn't
make
it,
and
that
might
not
be
the
only
reason.
But
I
I
do
know
that
another
business
that
is
still
there
has
been
communicating
some
struggles
in
that
regard
and
then,
of
course,
there
are
still
some
challenges
around
special
event
uses.
AH
While
the
space
is
open,
it's
not
entirely
accessible.
If
you
want
to
be
getting
vehicles
in
there
for
setup
or
staging,
and
then
we
would
say
that
sit-down
business
models
for
restaurants
certainly
seem
to
be
showing
some
more
success
in
this
area.
AH
Next
slide.
When
it
comes
to
operations,
snow
removal
has
been
challenging,
it's
been
getting
done,
but
it's
continues
to
be
a
consideration.
General
maintenance,
maintenance
of
the
space
is
just
it's.
It's
more
limited
with
this
closure.
The
concrete
barriers
have
have
just
made
it
less
efficient,
it's
harder
for
us
to
get.
We
can't
get
plows
in
through
there,
so
things
need
to
be
hand.
Shoveled
or
smaller
vehicles
are
being
used,
and
finally,
folks
are
using
the
space
for
other
purposes.
AH
We've
also
done
done
some
analysis
on
sales,
tax
revenue,
so,
based
on
what
we've
discovered,
it
seems
that
the
west
end
has
not
been
recovering
as
quickly
as
other
parts
of
the
city
when
it
comes
to
eating
places.
AH
Correlation
does
not
necessarily
mean
causation,
so
there
might
be
some
other
components
that
have
led
to
this,
but
our
data
is
showing
that
in
2021,
eating
places
on
the
west
end
were
at
59
of
2019
levels,
where
restaurants
are
eating
places
city-wide
we're
at
88
percent
of
2019
levels,
so
that
that
is
a
significant
difference
and
there
might
be
other
causes
for
that.
AH
But
it's
just
an
important
thing
that
we
thought
was
was
interesting
could
help
your
discussion
this
evening
next
slide
now
on
to
some
of
the
engagement
and
feedback
that
we've
done
next
slide,
we
have
been
to
the
downtown
management
commission
twice.
Originally,
we
were
doing
this
work
focused
on
a
downtown
boulder
pilot.
So
that's
where
we
were
focusing
a
lot
of
our
engagement
in
that
we
also
did
a
survey
to
the
downtown
community,
including
residents,
businesses,
workers
and
visitors,
and
we
got
836
responses
to
that.
AH
AH
What's
not
on
here
is
we
actually
also
did
an
interview
with
the
center
for
people
with
disabilities
to
talk
about
some
of
the
accessibility
challenges
and
we
got
great
feedback
from
them
and
I
believe
that
was
included
in
your
packet
next
slide,
our
conversations
with
dmc.
They
agreed
that
the
city
did
the
right
thing
and,
and
we
did
have
a
responsibility
in
responding
to
the
original
coven
19
impacts
and
the
restrictions
on
indoor
capacity,
but
they
expressed
concern
about
equity
considerations.
AH
If,
if
the
programs
were
to
continue,
they
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
approaching
it
thoughtfully
when
it
comes
to
the
requirements
and
and
guidelines,
and
they
had
particular
concerns
about
continuation
around
the
west
end
closure
and
operational
and
equity
challenges.
There
next
slide
in
the
outdoor
dining
survey
of
the
downtown
stakeholders
when
asked
about
how
outdoor
dining
contributed
to
living,
working
or
visiting
downtown
boulder,
a
strong
majority
of
respondents
across
all
fronts
indicated
a
significant
improvement
or
some
improvement.
AH
AH
When
asking
restaurants
in
that
downtown
survey,
I
think
there
are
about
54
restaurants,
downtown
boulder
restaurants,
responded
in
that
survey,
more
than
50
percent
said
they
were
very
likely
or
somewhat
likely
to
participate
in
a
continuation
of
an
outdoor
dining
program.
This
is
before
we
posed
any
sort
of
fee
option.
AH
The
next
question
next
slide,
when
we
post
two
different
fee
options,
one
at
fifty
dollars
per
square
foot,
another
one
at
35
dollars
per
square
foot.
AH
The
folks
who
said
they
were
very
likely
to
participate
in
the
program
did
not
change
the
folks
who
went
from
kind
of
a
skeptical
not
sure
at
the
50
level,
moved
into
at
least
the
somewhat
likely
level
so
at
35
dollars
per
square
foot,
a
majority
of
restaurants,
who
said
that
they
were
interested
in
an
outdoor
dining
program
beyond
the
covid19
emergency
were
still
either
likely
or
some
are
very
likely
to
participate
at
a
35
per
square
foot
level.
AH
AH
A
majority
of
restaurants
and
retailers
indicated
an
increase
in
foot
traffic
and
more
activity
in
the
area,
but
they
also
were
acknowledging
at
least
a
number
of
them
that
there
are
increased
parking
challenges
again.
Non-Retail
non-restaurants
were
more
likely
to
indicate
a
decrease
in
visibility
or
access
to
their
business
or
less
foot
traffic,
less
foot
traffic.
Sorry,
some
other
considerations
that
we
heard
was
from
restaurants
who,
while
they
were
allowed
to
expand,
they
might
not
have
the
staff
resources
or
capacity
to
actually
take
advantage
of
that
opportunity.
AH
So
that
was
just
something
that
we
heard
in
that
other
category
next
slide,
when
we
straight
out
ask
them
what
their
preferred
action
was.
After
the
end
of
the
emergency
orders,
we
got
mixed
response,
but
a
majority
of
the
responses
came
in
suggesting
that
they
want
to
continue
to
keep
the
west
end
closed
to
vehicle
traffic,
but
it
I
would
say
that
it
is
mixed.
AH
41
percent
of
restaurants
suggested
they
want
to
keep
it
closed,
while
35
said
they
want
it
to
be
reopened
to
traffic
with
no
out
or
dining
in
parking
spaces,
and
so
while
it
is
it's
might,
there
might
be
a
stronger
preference
to
keeping
it
closed.
I
would
say
this
is
not
a
statistically
valid
survey
approach,
and
so
it
is
a
an
information
point
and
important
for
council
to
consider
that
we're
not
seeing
strong
consensus
one
way
or
the
other
on
the
issue.
AH
B
AH
That's
a
really
good
question:
if
it
was
not
included
in
this
packet,
maybe
I
think
it
was
included
in
the
information
item.
It's
been
some
time
since
we
had
that
conversation
with
them.
It
might
have
been
on
the
february
information
item.
B
B
G
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
about
the
about
the
slides
and
the
surveys
and
my
question
to
you.
When
you
were
doing
the
surveys-
and
I
see
some
of
them,
you
have
hundreds
of
responses
for
the
west
end.
G
AH
I
believe
we
have
jennifer
pensino,
who
is
on
zoom,
who
might
be
able
to
speak
specifically
to
how
we
cross
tabulated
some
of
those
impacts.
We
do
have
the
capability.
AH
I
don't
know
that,
in
the
analysis
that
that
was
specifically
pulled
out,
that
we
did
cross
tabulations
to
understand
how
different
types
of
businesses
may
have
responded
to
different
types
of
impacts
other
than
what
we've
communicated.
AH
B
AJ
Good
evening
council
lily
jet
fountain
assistant
city
manager
was
lumped
together
for
the
first
survey.
We
could
go
back
to
that
raw
data
and
hope.
Well,
jennifer
could
go
back
to
that
data
and
pull
out
west
end
businesses
versus
otherwise.
I
do
not
believe
that
we
asked
them
their
address
at
that
time
in
the
subsequent
survey,
where
you're,
seeing
only
the
84
responses
that
is
restricted
to
the
west
end
respondents,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
awesome
team
that
went
door
to
door
to
ask
those
questions
and
also
downtown
boulder
partnership.
B
G
I
Chris,
in
the
in
the
memo
and
in
one
of
your
slides,
you
talked
about
a
couple
of
options
on
this
is
just
on
public
property,
not
private
property,
one
being
that
the
the
restaurant
would
pay
a
licensing
fee
for
the
right-of-way
access,
which
I
know
has
been
a
program.
The
city's
had
for
many
many
years
long
before
covet,
but
they
would
bring
their
own
regulation
compliant
module
with
them
or
materials
with
them,
and
the
second
alternative
option
was
that
they
would
pay
just
a
fixed
fee.
I
That
would
include
both
that
license
fee
and
kind
of
effectively
a
rental
or
an
amortized
cost
of
that
module.
So
so
I
understood
all
that
that
made
a
lot
of
sense
is
there?
Could
we
could
we
provide
both
options
to
restaurants
and
let
them
pick?
I
In
other
words,
I
assume
that
when
you
calculated
what
the
rental
fee
would
be
under
the
second
option,
you
kind
of
made
some
assumptions
about
economies
of
scale
and
how
many
people
would
participate,
and
so,
if
you
assumed
100
restaurants
were
going
to
do
it
and
did
the
math
on
that,
and
only
10
of
them
actually
opted
into
that.
That
might
kind
of
screw
up
your
math.
So
is
there
kind
of
a
threshold
that
you
need
a
special
number
of
restaurants?
AH
Option
b,
a
city
run
program,
has
some
obvious
efficiencies
in
fast
tracking
work
through
permitting,
but
also
some
ongoing
operational
considerations
so
option
a
would
be
more
consistent
with
our
pre-existing
program,
where
folks
can
go
it
alone
and
and
apply
for
a
revocable
lease
to
expand
into
the
public
right-of-way
and
pay
that
annual
fee
that
you
suggested,
and
so
I
think
that
we
can
explore
both
options.
There
is
certainly
a
bulk
discount
that
gets
greater
the
more
that
we
are
able
to
purchase
the
folks
that
we've
been
talking
to
on
that
front.
AH
You
get
one
more
percent
discount
off
the
total
up
to
20
parklets,
so
20
parklets
or
more
20
percent
off
ten
parklets,
ten
percent
off,
and
so
just
there
is
there's
certainly
some
scale
there
and
we
need
to
make
sure
we
go
back
and
do
the
math
and
then
thinking
about
whether
or
not
there's
a
what
the
subsidy
level
is
from
the
city.
AH
If
that's
something
that
council
wishes
to
support,
we'd
need
to
go
back
and
and
make
sure
our
calculations
are,
are
coming
out
right,
but
certainly
be
looking
to
target
that
35
per
square
foot.
So.
I
That
just
to
follow
up
on
that
that,
on
that
discount
volume,
discount
maxes
out
at
about
20
parklets,
is
that
right,
30
parklets
on
a
per
particle
basis
is
about
the
same
cost
as
20.
correct,
so
you'd
be
able
to.
I
realized
that
there
may
be
some
efficiency
to
people
going
with
the
program
so
to
speak,
and,
and
maybe
the
regulations
are
a
little
tougher
to
comply
with
if
they
brought
their
own
modular
module
from
a
purely
economic
standpoint.
I
As
long
as
you
had
20
restaurants
opting
into
the
to
the
city
leased
program,
that
is
the
city
or
some
partner
provided
it,
you
would
max
out
on
that
discount.
Is
that
right,
correct
and
just
roughly
just
to
put
that
20
into
context?
How
many
rough,
how
many
restaurants
are
participating
in
the
outdoor
dining
program,
at
least
on
right-of-way
property?
Right
now,.
AH
That's
a
very
good
question
and
it's
fluctuated,
I
think,
at
the
height
of
covid
we
had
over
100
businesses
participating
in
both
the
private
property
extensions
and
the
public
property
extensions.
I
think
at
this
point
we're
down
to
maybe
maybe
about
20,
but
I
don't
know
the
exact
we
haven't
gone
out
and
and
done
re-applications.
So
it's
it's
depends
on
where,
if
we're
looking
at
right
now
today
the
numbers
come
back
dramatically:
okay,.
AH
B
I'll
go
ahead
and
go
next,
so
one
thing
that
was
unclear
to
me:
I
may
have
missed
it-
was
how
for
outdoor
dining
public
right-of-way
versus
private
property,
how
would
the
city's
required
standards
differ
between
those
two
cases.
AH
That's
a
good
question.
I'd
say
that
we're
still
wanting
to
explore
that.
Obviously
there
are
some
key
considerations
if
you're
operating
in
a
parking
space
next
to
a
curb
versus
a
private
property
extension.
So
I'd
say
that
there's
still
some
more
work
to
do
there.
That
has
not
been
fully
baked
yet.
B
Yeah,
that's
fine,
I
guess
kind
of
where
I
was
going
was
hoping
that
they
would
be
different
because,
if
you're
in
the
right
of
way
next
to
cars
going
by,
that
seems
like
a
higher
standard
than
if
you've
fenced
off
a
part
of
a
private
parking
lot,
for
example,
which
seems
like
lower
dangers.
There
you'd
still
want
the
ada
accessibility
but
okay.
So
it's
good
to
hear
you're
thinking
about
different
standards.
In
those
two
cases.
AH
H
J
Saving
the
best
for
last
okay,
which
isn't
me
so
one
question,
I
don't
know
if
it's
currently
happening
or
not,
but
could
you
have
a
combination
like
could
three
restaurants
next
to
each
other,
do
like
going
together
for
that
500
feet
and
have
like
a
you
know
like
you
have
at
avanti
or
rosetta
hall
kind
of
situation
or
way
back.
J
On
the
same
block,
like
you
know,
especially
if
we're
making
it
all,
if
we
go,
I
think
it's
option
b
where
it
would
be
uniform,
like
you
know,
right
now,
it's
got
in
some
spots.
A
more
cluttered
chaotic
feel
is
have
have
restaurants
or
staff,
given
any
thought
to
to
making
it
more
of
a
a
combo
outdoor,
dining
experience.
AH
AH
I
can
certainly
go
back
with
planning
staff
and
explore
how
we
can
make
sure
we're
still
permitting
it
appropriately
as
long
as
they're,
not
out
of
compliance
with
some
of
the
the
liquor
code
that
we
are
out
of
control
on.
J
J
Okay
and
then
just
a
question
that
we've
we've
gotten
some
comments
about
the
propane
tanks.
I
assume
whatever
we're
going
forward
with,
does
have
like
a
heating
component,
because
is
it
visualized
that
people
would
still
be
allowed
to
use
those
and
and
ask
for
maybe
two
reasons,
one?
It
seems
like
when
we're
trying
to
model
this
on
europe?
Maybe
there's
not
a
lot
of
propane
heaters
out
there.
J
I
don't
remember
that
them,
maybe
they
are,
and
second
to
the
extent
that
there
are
still
enclosures
involved
like
we
did,
we
did
make
it
unlawful
to
have
propane
inside
of
a
tank
last
year
inside
of
a
tent
last
year,
so
that
that
feels
a
little
bit
incongruous.
AH
So
right
now,
in
our
draft
guidelines
and
requirements,
we
are
suggesting
that
there
would
be
no
tenting
structures
and
nothing
over
the
three
foot
walls
other
than
maybe
heat
lamps,
which
those
are
things
that
we
see
in
the
private
or
the
outdoor,
dining
previous
extensions
prior
to
the
covid
pandemic
or
umbrellas
or
things
like
that.
But
when
it
comes
to
these
structural
components,
we've
seen
a
lot
of
issues
when
it
comes
to
wind
weather,
the
desire
to
heat
or
cool.
J
E
Well,
first
yvette,
if
you're
still
here
thanks
for
all
your
hard
work
and
getting
this
going
for
the
last
few
years
with
outdoor
dining
and
christopher
thanks
for
all
your
work
with
that,
but
also
taking
the
helm
and
continuing
to
move
us
forward.
My
question
centered
around
kind
of
this
sort
of
annual
permit
and
the
timing
of
when
our
temporary
piece
ends
here
in
august
and
when
the
sort
of
new
permitting
cycle
begins.
E
One
is
that
sort
of
is
still
in
kind
of
peak
summer,
outdoor
dining
time
in
our
community,
and
so
I'm
kind
of
wondering
that
is.
Is
there
a
transition
built
in
that?
In
terms
of
when
that
happens?
Do
you
just
need
to
be
committed
and
you'll
be
given
sort
of
a
grace
period
over
a
certain
amount
of
time
from
which
to
install
the
modular
or
start
the
permitting
process?
If
we
want
to
relax
our
land
use
regulations
or
create
some
sort
of
ordinance?
E
So
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
if
you're
already
got
outdoor
dining
set
up
and
you
want
to
go
through
the
permitting
process
that
you're
still
allowed
to
use
it,
while
you're
in
process
permitting.
The
last
thing
I'd
I'm
currently
concerned
about,
is
if
you
invest
that
kind
of
money,
and
then
you
got
to
throw
it
away
while
you're
in
permitting
process
to
then
only
bring
it
back.
E
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
area
is
covered
in
in
that
capacity
and
really
just
sort
of
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
forcing
change
right
in
the
middle
of
the
busy
season
and
if
there's
a
time
to
say
maybe
on
the
backside
of
winter
in
early
spring,
when
we're
starting
to
really
come
back
up
that
that's
a
time
for
install.
So
I
didn't
quite
pick
up
on
the
timing
of
that
in
the
presentation.
E
AH
Those
are
all
really
good
questions
and
I
think
the
whole
packet
relates
back
to
the
emergency
orders,
and
so
that's
really.
You
know
we
certainly
have
no
intention
of
paying
ourselves
into
a
corner,
but
we
also
wouldn't
suggest
that
our
outdoor
dining
conversation
should
drive
when
an
emergency
is
is
ending,
and
so
we
certainly
want
to
take
into
consideration
the
nuances
of
if
emergency
orders
are
ending
august
31st.
AH
E
Appreciate
that
and
the
other
question
sort
of
back
to
bob's
question
sort
of
that
kind
of
touched
on
cost
a
little
bit
and
one
was
some
of
this-
is
based
on
five
years,
and
so
I'm
kind
of
curious.
If
would
would
cost
substantially
change
for
restaurants
if
it
was
amortized
out
over,
maybe
seven
or
ten
years
like,
would
that
lower
the
barrier
of
entry
again
kind
of
coming
back
to
an
equity
perspective?
To
make
sure
everybody
has
an
e
a
good
opportunity
to
get
into
that?
AH
Our
current
lease
rate
off
the
bricks
is
13
13
per
square
foot
and
1875
per
square
foot
on
the
bricks
that
could
change
that
likely
will
change
over
time
and
so
yeah.
There
are
variables
that
that
we
won't
know
until
the
world
changes
and
we'll
learn
more
and
that's
kind
of
the
nature
of
the
pilot
as
well
as
we
want
to
have
that
time
to
learn
about
these
things,
to
determine
after
that
five
years,
what
you
know,
what
is
the
the
right
amount
to
be
charging
and
what
are
the
adjustments?
H
Thank
you
first,
I
want
to
shamelessly
jump
on
matt's
comment.
I
I
I
think
you
may
be
cutting
it
a
little
close
in
terms
of
everything
that
needs
to
be
decided
and
implemented
by
august,
and
so
I
think
some
thoughts
should
be
given
to
rolling
this
through
october.
Before
we
make,
we
make
restaurants,
actually
change
everything
and
and
move
into
the
new
system.
There
are
just
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
this.
H
AH
I
guess
it'd
be
defined
a
lot.
I
do
know
that
there
was
a
notorious
event
on
halloween
of
last
year
that
did
lead
to
a
lot
of
damage
and
destruction
of
infrastructure
on
pearl
street,
and
I
would
say,
in
general,
throughout
the
city
we
experience
vandalism
on
a
daily
basis,
not
necessarily
associated
with
the
outdoor
dining
infrastructure,
but
it
is
a
concern
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
as
we're
implementing
infrastructure,
whether
it's
for
outdoor
dining
or
anything
else.
H
Well,
at
least
under
the
first
two
options
you've
proposed,
who
would
be
responsible
for
damage,
repair,
city
or
or
the
the
restaurateur.
AG
AH
Likely
would
be
wanting
to
pursue
some
sort
of
maintenance
agreement
with
individual
businesses
or
a
partner
like
the
downtown
boulder
partnership
for
any
of
those
parklets
that
are
within
the
downtown
boundaries.
So
I'd
say
it.
It's
probably
gonna
depend.
H
AH
I'm
I
am
not
a
restaurant
designer,
but
it
probably
it
probably
depends
on
the
ambiance
that
you're
going
for
okay.
H
Fair
enough
and
and
my
last
question,
I
I've
just
got
to
ask
it
because
I
I
don't
really
understand
on
page
11
of
the
memo
under
equity,
there's
a
sentence
that
begins
height,
restrictions
of
three
feet
and
prohibition
of
closing
structures
and
roofs
is
recommended
out
of
safety.
What
is
the
three
foot
height
restriction.
AH
That's
associated
with
alcohol
licensing,
so
if
you
want
to
serve
alcohol,
that
is
the
the
height
requirement
for
your
barriers
between
general
public
space
and
service
space.
AH
H
Reference,
the
what
you
were
talking
about.
AG
Z
I
love
it.
Maybe
we
can
build
that
into
the
structures,
though
I
just
wanted
to
say
two
things:
one
is
and
one
to
clarify.
In
the
february
first
packet
that
we
sent
there
was
a
reference
to
the
outreach
that
was
done
with
our
group
on
disabilities,
the
people
with
disabilities.
Z
There
was
a
notion
there
that
the
video
link
is
available
upon
request
and
it
sounds
like
there
is
request
or
there's
some
desire,
so
we
will
make
sure
to
send
that
around,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
we're
trying
to
find
that,
but
it's
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
listen
to
it
right
now
tonight
on
the
diet.
So
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
and
to
the
question
about
the
orders.
I'll
say
that
we
hear
you
right
our
public
health
orders.
Our
emergency
orders
have
been
around
public
health
considerations.
Z
We
are
not
proposing
that
the
outdoor
dining
concept
be
what
drives
it.
Although
we
will
look
at
numbers
when
we
get
to
august
about
whether
there
is
a
safety
consideration
depending
on
where
our
covid
numbers
are
to
expand,
because
it
is
a
public
health
need
to
do
so
and
do
that
and
then
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
in
august
about
what
that
is.
Z
B
If
I
can
just
follow
up
on
that,
if
people
don't
mind
there
was
a
suggestion
from
chip
of
the
downtown
boulder
partnership
in
an
email
this
afternoon
that
perhaps
the
partnership
could
apply
for
a
special
use
permit
for
a
couple
of
months
to
bridge
that
end
of
the
emergency
orders
to
end
of
the
season.
AH
That
is
certainly
something
the
working
group
has
discussed
and
we
can
explore
further
absolutely
cool.
B
AI
Thanks,
I
had
a
sort
of
similar
question
to
bob
but
related
to
the
seasonal
opening
and
closing
of
parklets.
Is
there
like
a
threshold
there
could
some
restaurant?
Could
we
allow
some
to
opt
in
and
some
to
opt
out
of
seasonal
closure,
or
does
it
really
as
you've
been
thinking
about?
It
need
to
be
an
all
or
nothing
kind
of
situation
on
that
front.
AH
I
think
we'd
have
to
contemplate
that
a
little
bit
more.
I
don't
know
that
we've
we've
gotten
into
that
level
of
nuance
of
it
would
tie
back
to
the
permitting
process
on
how
do
we
keep
track
of
who's
doing
what?
For
what
period
of
time.
AH
Without
creating
a
huge
burden
on
on
staff
of
making
sure
that
we're
getting
out
there
to
inspect
those
facilities
and
making
sure
people
are
following
the
rules
and
doing
what
they
said,
they
were
going
to
be
doing.
So
we
need
to
explore
that
nuance
further.
If
there
is
some
desire
for
seasonality,
then
then
we
would
need
to
be
really
thoughtful
about
those
parameters,
and
if
there
is,
if
it
is
more
of
a
let
folks
go
as
they
as
they
prefer,
then
that
would
be
a
different
approach.
AI
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
had
another
question
about.
You
know
there
was
some
we
have
funding
set
aside
currently
through
our
sort
of
arpa
allocation,
and
I
was
just
wondering
with
the
number
of
businesses
that
are
currently
doing
utilizing
the
outdoor
dining
program.
AI
If
we
were
to
look
at
that
sort
of
what
level
of
subsidy
for
what
percentage
of
those
businesses
would
that
money
be
providing
like?
Are
we
getting
to
that
35
number
per
square
foot
for
all
businesses
that
currently
are
using
it,
or
are
we
getting
half
of
the
way
there?
Do
you
have
any
sense
of
that.
AH
Not
at
this
moment,
I
know
that
the
the
spectrum
of
possibility
is,
you
know,
we've
seen
some
examples.
For
instance,
san
francisco
is
has
provided
a
flat
grand
of
2500
per
transition
from
whatever's
out
there
now
to
the
city
approved
infrastructure.
That's
one
another
end
of
the
spectrum.
We
have
other
communities
that
have
funded
the
infrastructure.
AH
One
hundred
percent
with
you
know
no
ask
of
the
participating
businesses
it's
kind
of
just
here
here
you
go
we're
we're
helping
out
so
we'd
we're
seeking
that
guidance
from
you
all
today
to
try
to
understand
where
maybe
on
that
spectrum,
we
need
to
be
moving
toward.
AI
AH
I
Really
two
follow-up
questions,
one
on
equity
and
cost
and
the
other
on
access
which
we
haven't
gotten
into
yet.
But
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
first
on
equity
and
cost
a
point
that
matt
raised,
and
I
the
picture
that's
on
our
screen
here
in
in
in
the
chambers
probably
makes
my
point.
I
AH
The
infrastructure
that
we
are
currently
looking
at
the
modular
infrastructure
can
accommodate
different
types
of
working
environments,
and
so
you
are
correct
and
yes,
we
would
not
require
large
platforms
in
addition
to
the
bricks
that
that,
since
we
have
that
flat
surface
for
ada
accessibility,
alcohol
service
still
does
require
the
three
foot
wall.
And
so
we
are
looking
at
some
consistency
in
the
side
structures,
but
obviously,
on
the
bricks.
We
would
not
require
that
intensity
of
use
or
infrastructure
for
the
surface
on
the
ground.
I
Okay,
so
you'll
have
different
standards
depending
on
the
conditions
correct,
including
safety,
ada,
and
then,
of
course,
the
liquor
rules
always
come
into
play.
Okay,
changing
gears
a
little
bit
talk
a
little
about
access
because
we
haven't
touched
on
that
too
much.
You
know.
One
of
the
challenges
I
think
on
west
pearl
is
unlike
the
rest
of
the
mall
and
other
parts
of
downtown,
where
people
who
have
mobility
challenges
can
usually
park.
I
Similarly,
I
know
that
at
least
during
covid
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
creating
little
places
for
people
to
park
temporarily
and
and
dash
in
and
pick
up
their
takeout
order.
I
know
we
have
this
new
10
or
15
minute
rule,
which
is
great.
Could
we
do
something
similar
in
in
in
west
pearl
between
ninth
and
eleventh?
That's
a
it's
a
long
stretch
from
9th
to
11th
and-
and
I
think
some
of
the
challenges
with
that
stretch
is
there's,
there's
not
really
a
great
place
for
someone
with
a
handicap
sticker.
I
Let's
say
on
the
car
to
to
park
really
close
to
you
know,
that's
not
really
anything
on
ninth
and
eleventh
can
be
far
away,
especially
if
they're
going
down
in
the
direction
of
ninth.
Could
we
better
utilize
10th
street
which
of
course,
tenth
doesn't
cut
through,
but
it
does
go
two
and
stops
at
pearl
street
right
now
we
have
half
of
10th
blocked
off
at
the
alley
and
the
the
southern
part
blocked
off.
But
could
we
turn
or
maybe
I
should
ask
a
question
differently.
I
I
know
it's
only
one
way
right
now,
but
could
go
both
ways:
a
cul-de-sac
at
the
end
of
the
southern
end,
so
people
could
turn
around
and
go
back
the
other
direction
and
actually
with
lots
and
lots
of
handicap
parking
and
maybe
some
spots
for
people
to
pick
up
to
go
orders.
I
counted.
I
looked
it
on
google,
google
satellite
earlier
today
it
looks
like
there's
over
30
striped
parking
spaces
on
on
the
two
sides
of
10th,
between
spruce
and
and
in
pearl.
I
AH
Well,
I
am
not
a
traffic
engineer
and
I
do
know
that
devon
joslin
is
on
the
call,
but
I
would
like
to
maybe
take
a
step
back
before
unless
we
want
to
get
into
the
nuances
of
street
design
and
turning
radii,
that
that
is
a
concept
that
could
be
explored
and
evaluated,
among
other
concepts
that
have
been
suggested
in
this
conversation.
AH
Knowing
that
there
are,
there
are
a
number
of
trade-offs
in
whether
or
not
we
keep
the
west
end
closed
and
things
that
we
need
to
mitigate
or
eat
or
accept,
and
so,
while
that's
possibly
a
perfectly
viable
idea,
some
time
and
effort
would
need
to
be
expended
on
evaluating
that
next
to
other
ideas
that
we
have
heard,
that
might
that
might
better
mitigate
some
of
the
challenges
we
just
haven't.
We
have
not
had
the
time
or
capacity
to
do
that
level
of
analysis
yet
and
that's
part
of
what
we
are
suggesting.
AF
AH
B
B
Enough
right,
so
we
got
matt
yeah
and
then
nicole.
E
So
question
about
sort
of
annual
permitting-
and
this
really
just
comes
from
you
know,
restaurants
already
dealing
with
lots
of
things.
They
have
to
do
lots
of
hoops.
They
have
to
jump
through
lots
of
permits
like
liquor,
licenses
and
other
things.
How
would
we
want
to
fit
this
in
as
seamlessly
as
possible?
And
that's
really
kind
of
my
question
is:
do
we
want
to
kind
of
say,
like
it's
calendar
year
and
therefore
at
least
for
staff?
It
just
comes
in
as
one
bulk
there's
your
chance.
You
process
it.
E
You
move
on
versus
just
it
constantly
peppering
throughout
the
whole
year
kind
of
thing,
and
so
I'm
just
sort
of
curious,
because
it's
just
one
more
piece
that
they
have
to
kind
of
do
every
year
and
so
trying
to
sort
of
lower
some
of
that
burden
as
well
for
them,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
been
thoughts
on
how
to
integrate
that
kind
of
process
for
restaurants
and
anybody
utilizing
an
outdoor
dining
into
the
system
and
processes
that
they
already
undertake
and
have
to
deal
with
quite
a
lot
of
administration
for.
AH
I'm
not
sure
I
am
the
best
person
to
respond
to
that
question,
because
I
know
that
that
that
relates
to
a
lot
of
different
processes
of
the
city
and
I'm
not
sure
if
edward
stafford
wants
to
come
up
and
and
speak
to
that.
I
see
him
making
his
way
down
come
on
down
edward.
AG
We
do
that
on
a
very
regular
basis,
with
patios
that
were
permitted
long
before
the
emergency
orders
that
you
see
out
there,
and
so
those
would
be
the
things
we'd
be
pulling
together
for
that.
We
are
looking
and
want
to
have
the
least
administrative
burden
case
for
our
own
well-being
and
for
our
restaurants
out
there,
and
so
we
would
not
want
to
necessarily
see
something
that
has
to
be
done
with
a
complete
new
process
every
year.
AG
We
also
have
to
take
into
account
as
a
part
of
that
what
the
liquor
licensing
requirements
are-
and
I
know
they
also
would
prefer
not
to
have
to
repeat
that
process
every
single
year
and
there
are
limitations
to
how
long
we
can
do
it
more
than
likely
in
a
five-year
pilot.
These
are
going
to
be
two,
the
initial
and
a
renewal
period
that
will
probably
be
necessary,
especially
for
those
that
are
being
looked
at
in
the
right
of
way
in
the
city's
property.
E
AG
AD
Thank
you,
and
thanks
for
once
again
answering
our
many
many
questions
about
all
these
things.
My
question
is
about
the
draft
financing
options
and,
as
I
understand
it,
in
all
of
these
cases,
the
city
would
be
reimbursing
or
offsetting
some
of
the
expenses
for
some
of
the
infrastructure.
Am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
AD
Thank
you
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
I
understood
that
part
correctly
before
I
get
to
my
question,
so
my
real
question
is
just
around
you
know:
infrastructure
needs
to
be
replaced
after
a
while
right.
So
you
know
we
have
some
money
to
help
out
with
some
of
these
costs.
Now
what
happens
in
five
or
ten
years
like
where?
Where
does
the
money
for
replacing
some
of
that
infrastructure
come
from?
AD
At
that
point
and
yeah,
I
guess
my
my
question
is:
where
is
future
council
going
to
find
the
money
for
replacing
some
of
the
infrastructure.
AH
It's
a
really
good
question.
I
think
it
depends
on
the
option
that
we
want
folks
to
pursue
if
it's
the
option
where
they
pay
their
revocable
license
fee
for
the
use
of
the
public
right-of-way
and
they
own
the
infrastructure.
Then,
if
it
gets
to
a
point
that
it
is
not
being
kept
in
repair,
then
the
city
can
exercise
its
right
to
revoke
that
revocable
license,
and
we
can
make
sure
that
the
aged
infrastructure
is
removed
when
it
comes
to
a
program
where
the
city
does
a
bulk
purchase.
AH
AD
Okay,
so
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
then
the
money
would
come
from
some
of
the
fees
and
things
along
the
way.
We
would
just
be
kind
of
saving
that
and
banking
it
for
replacement
costs
in
the
future.
Correct.
AD
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
my
other
question
was
that
it
seems,
like
staff,
is
not
recommending
maintaining
the
west
pearl
closure,
the
truck
the
vehicle
closure,
and
I'm
wondering,
if
I'm
understanding
that
correctly
or
if
you
are
preferring
to
not
take
a
stance
and
just
provide
us
with
information,
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
there.
AH
That's
a
really
good
question,
thanks
for
putting
me
on
the
spot,
staff
has
did
not
provide
a
specific
recommendation
to
discontinue
the
closure.
I'd
say
that
a
lot
of
the
data
that
we
have
is
across
the
board
when
it
comes
to
the
considerations
that
that
city
staff
would
take
into
account.
AH
Our
inclination
is
to
certainly
be
more
conservative
and
would
would
suggest
that
the
disk
that
the
closure
to
vehicle
traffic
discontinue
for
the
time
being
in
its
current
format,
so
that
we
can
have
the
time
to
explore
other
possibilities
while
not
having
to
also
deal
with
with
what
we're
experiencing
out
there
right
now.
But
we
acknowledge
that
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
community
have
said
that
they
really
like
it
and
even
the
business
community
on
the
the
closure
did
not
come
out
in
a
strong
enough
majority
to
make.
AH
It
seem
like
there's
full
consensus
on
keeping
it
closed
or
open.
So
I
we,
we
have
been
hesitant
to
provide
a
specific
recommendation,
but
are
we
would
certainly
air
more
towards
being
conservative
and
acknowledge
that
any
other
time
outside
of
emergency
orders
there
isn't
there?
AH
We
wouldn't
have
just
arbitrarily
closed
the
street
unless
there
was
some
sort
of
emergency
that
the
water
main
break
or
some
something
that
needed
to
happen
that
required
that
immediate
closure,
without
a
more
thorough
process-
and
we
just
haven't
had
the
time
to
do
that-
sort
of
that
type
of
process.
Yeah.
AA
AB
AG
AB
AH
It's
a
really
good
question.
I
don't
think
we
know
enough
for
sure
in
the
sense
of
there's
it
might
be
six
of
one
half
dozen
of
the
other
in
leaving
the
infrastructure
out
in
the
elements
throughout
the
winter,
with
snow,
plowing
and
ice
mitigation.
There
are
some
impacts
there,
but
physically
taking
everything
apart
and
storing
it
and
then
pulling
it
all
back
out
again
might
have
some
other
impacts.
We
just
don't
know
yet.
AH
AB
AH
It
would
be
easier
for
the
city
for
sure
if,
if
individual
restaurants
maintained
and
stored
their
own
equipment,
but
the
at
least
the
infrastructure
that
we're
looking
at
is
designed
to
be
easily
stored
in
a
compact
way.
Okay-
and
so
that's-
that's
part
of
the
consideration
in
this
vendor
selection.
Well,.
AB
AB
AH
I
would
presume
that
we
could
find
some
folks
who
would
willingly
work
with
us
if,
once
we
have
some
decisions
around
what
the
post
pandemic
emergency
order
program
is
going
to
look
like,
we
might
have
some
some
folks
who
want
to
work
with
us
in
the
near
term.
I'd
say
the
challenge
being
is:
is
the
summer
months
are
the
busiest
months,
and
so
folks
are
going
to
be
really
interested,
not
necessarily
in
the
transition,
but
what's
the
impact
of
their
ability
to
operate
even
for
a
short
period
of
time.
AH
So
if
we
can
make
that
transition
really
quick
and
easy,
then
we
might
find
some
folks
who
want
to
work
with
us.
But
if
we
end
up
extending
for
some,
then
then,
presumably
we
need
to
extend
for
all
and
then
it'd
be
a
volunteer
basis.
If
folks
want
to
transition
sooner.
G
Yeah,
I
I
have
a
question
about
the
expansion
or
extension
until
october.
Will
we
have
to
do
another
survey?
How
will
you
ensure
that
people
who
I
first
thought
okay-
this
was
just
gonna,
be
until
is
it
august
or
september,
and
then
it's
extended
a
little
bit
longer.
How
are
you
going
to
get
their
buy-in?
If
you
know
their
hope
is,
this
would
be
because
they
are
community
members
or
businesses
who
are
ready
for
this
closure
to
end
and
for
us
to
go
back
to
normal.
So
how
will
you
ensure
you
get
their
buy-in.
AH
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
two-fold
in
a
sense
of
the
emergency
orders
are
the
emergency
orders
and-
and
that's
really
the
date
that
you
know
we're
looking
at
and
right
now,
they're
extended
for
this
particular
element
of
the
coven
19
response
through
august
31st.
AH
If
numbers
continue
to
rise
as
they
seem
to
be
doing
right
now,
we
might
find
ourselves
in
a
position
that
we
want
to
continue
those
orders
to
the
end
of
october
or
the
end
of
the
year.
It's
it's
I'd
say
that
there's
still
a
lot
of
unknowns
in
the
emergency
orders.
Regardless
we
want
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
adequately
and
accurately
communicate
to
the
restaurants.
What
that
post-emergency
order
condition
will
be,
and
whether
that's
september
1st.
A
AH
January
1st
or
may
1st
of
2023
I'd
say
that
that
that's
that's
the
other
piece.
B
All
right:
well,
let's
hit
the
answers
to
your
questions,
and
so
I
will
note
we've
got
a
lot
of
these
to
answer
so
if
we
spend
a
half
an
hour
in
each
of
them,
we'll
be
here
all
night.
So,
let's
see
if
we
can
move
forward
through
them.
I
know
we'll
have
some
comments,
but
hopefully
on
some
of
them
we
can
just
say
yes
or
no
or
great.
So
I
think
you
have
slides
that
have.
B
Okay,
so
I
guess
I
can
just
read
it
here,
so
our
first
one
does
council
wish
to
direct
staff
to
expand
the
working
scope
beyond
downtown
and
continue
developing
guidelines
and
requirements
to
allow
for
an
outdoor
dining
pilot
program,
city-wide
in
both
the
public
right-of-way
and
on
private
property.
After
the
covenant
emergency
orders
end
and
I've
got
a
thumbs
up
over
here.
I've
got
all
kinds
of
thumbs
up
mine
too.
E
One
quick
comment:
we
got
in
our
economic
report
that
restaurants
in
the
hospitality
industry
are
going
to
lag
behind
just
about
every
other
business
in
terms
of
their
recovery
out
of
covid
into
at
least
2025,
and
so
I
just
as
a
preface
for
all
of
this,
that
we're
doing
whether
it
be
through
arpa
through
outdoor
dining
through
what
it
is.
I
think
it's
just
critical
that
we
remember
that's
a
heavily
impacted
part
of
our
business
community.
AD
B
AH
So
it's
kind
of
iterative
where
we
are
seeking
some
guidance
tonight.
We
are
narrowing
down
on
some
of
those
requirements,
and
so
it's
not
fully
baked
yet
on
what
those
requirements
are
going
to
be
and
it
is
contingent
on
both
the
west
enclosure,
for
instance,
if
the
west
enclosure
does
not
continue,
then
the
requirement
on
the
west
end
is
going
to
for
any
outdoor
dining
extensions
would
be.
AH
There
needs
to
be
a
barrier
between
traffic
and
the
outdoor
dining
space,
so
it
is,
it
is
interconnected,
so
this
question:
maybe
if
I
could
go
back,
I
would
rephrase
it
a
little
bit
because
we're
not
quite
fully
there
yet,
but
it
does
relate
back
to
that
table
of.
We
need
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
are
accommodating
all
the
safety
considerations,
but
acknowledging
that,
depending
on
where
council
goes
tonight,
there
might
be
more.
We
need
to
do
around
some
of
the
other
components
for
equity,
accessibility
among
operations.
B
J
I
Yeah,
I
guess
I'm
gonna
get
the
same
kind
of
qualified
answer.
The
rachel
just
did
I
mean
generally
yes,
but
a
couple
of
things
that
we
mentioned
early
some
of
us
mentioned
is
some
degree
of
flexibility
in
the
restaurant
so,
for
example,
the
flexibility
on
whether
they
bring
their
own
modular
unit
or
the
city
leases
it
to
them.
I
I
get
the
fact
that
there's
a
there's
a
volume
discount
there
so
that
you
may
not
be
able
to
provide
that
flexibility,
but
if
you
can
that'd
be
great
same
with
along
the
lines
of
what
lauren
raised
about
season
flexibility
around
seasonality,
some
may
want
to-
and
some
may
not
want
to.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
prescribe
one
thing
or
the
other
and
then
again
I
I
urge
staff,
as
he
developed
those
guidelines
to
really
focus
on
access
and
how
do
we,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
west
pearl?
I
I
know
we're
talking
about
dining
generally,
but
but
access
to
ensure
wherever
this
outdoor
dining
is.
It
does
provide
access
because
I
know
we
did
this
kind
of
quickly
back
in
may
of
2020
and
and
and
now
we're
kind
of
catching
up
to
that,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
you
do
does
have
an
access
consideration.
I
know
you've
been
thinking
about
it,
so
I
guess
I'd
give
it
a
qualified.
Yes,
okay,
mark
matt.
H
Also
a
qualified
yes,
I'm
going
to
piggyback
on
bob's
comment.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
little
more
emphasis
on
accessibility,
particularly
for
those
who
are
more
challenged
in
terms
of
mobility
and
I'd
like
us
not
to
create
a
a
dining
experience
that
only
some
can
enjoy,
and
so
I
would
encourage
a
little
more
a
more
detailed
look
at
that
that
issue
and
how
we're
going
to
address
it.
AI
I
was
just
gonna
give
another
qualified,
yes
answer.
I
think
for
me,
it's
more
about,
like
the
general
framework
that
you've
laid
out,
I
think,
is
really
balanced.
As
we
dive
into
the
details,
I
think
that
opinions
might
start
to
shift
more
that
there's
going
to
be
some
more
controversial
things
that
come
up.
E
Yes,
we're
qualifying
a
lot
of
our
answers,
so
I'll
sort
of
stay
on
trend.
The
one
consideration
that
I'd
like
to
see
us
build
in-
and
I
know
that
there's
we're
starting-
that
is
the
the
long-term
future
of
the
downtown
corridor
and
where
this
and
the
other
improvements
we
may
do
fit
into
that,
and
so
I
think
you
know
making
not
only
meeting
the
needs
of
today
but
like
we're
thinking
about
with
so
many
other
things.
Are
we
building
the
infrastructure
and
needs
for
tomorrow?
E
G
Oh,
you
got
to
me
quickly.
Thank
you.
It's
a
yes
for
me
as
well,
and
I
think
there
was
a
question
that
was
brought
to
you
about
maintenance.
What
does
that
will
look
like,
and
I
think
maybe
that's
something
that
definitely
your
team
need
to
look
into
because
I'm
thinking,
okay,
you
said:
well,
maybe
the
city
will
do
it,
maybe
the
downtown
partnership.
Does
that
mean
we
will
have
to
hire
more
staff
and
what
does
that
look
like,
especially
now
during
this
coveted
pandemic?
B
I'm
just
calling
myself
yeah,
I
think
you're,
going
in
a
really
good
direction.
They're
very
you've
been
very
thoughtful
about
those
guidelines.
I'll
echo
the
thing
about
flexibility
that
you
know
that
potential
for
some
people
to
do
their
own
thing
and
and
other
people
to
join
in
with
the
the
city
program.
Maybe
some
people
could
be
seasonal
if
they
can
manage
the
transition
on
their
own
and
not
impose
a
substantial
burden
on
the
city
with
that.
B
So
if
we
can
find
ways
to
be
flexible,
I
think
that'd
be
good
and
also
just
to
that
public
versus
private
just
on
the
private
property.
If
we
can
keep
the
regulations
minimal
and
really
stick
to
ada
accessibility,
safety,
the
required
alcohol
rules,
but
not
try
to
layer
a
whole
bunch
of
extra
on.
You
know,
because
I
think,
as
opposed
to
the
the
parklets,
where
you're
in
the
right
of
way-
and
I
think
you
need
to
be
more
careful-
it
seems
like
on
the
private
property.
I
I
guess
there's
an
observation,
matt,
maybe
think
of
this.
When
he's
talked
about
thinking
about
downtown
holistically
and
long
term,
I
just
want
to
remind
us
that
when
the
voters
approve
the
community
culture
resilience
and
safety
tax
in
november,
one
of
the
things
that
we
committed
to
the
voters
was
that
four
million
dollars
of
that
money
would
be
allocated
to
a
pearl
street
refresh
that
money
hasn't
really
been
allocated
or
spent
yet,
and
so,
in
addition
to
the
arpa
money.
I
Theoretically,
we
could
use
some
of
that
money
for
whatever
infrastructure
that
might
be
developed
around
outdoor
dining,
particularly
around
the
west
end.
So
I
just
want
to
don't
want
to
forget
about
that
four
million.
That's
kind
of
hanging
on
out
there.
B
Does
council
wish
to
direct
staff
to
create
an
ordinance
to
waive
or
modify
certain
land
use
regulations
such
as
use
review
requirements
for
businesses
that
wish
to
participate
in
outdoor
dining
in
both
public
right-of-way
and
private
property
as
part
of
proposed
five-year
pilot
program,
I'm
seeing
lots
of
thumbs
up,
I
totally
agree
I'll
just
say,
and
I
would
go
pretty
far
with
this
like
and
again
things
not
related
to
safety,
ada,
accessibility,
etc.
Like
let's
let
people
do
this
easily.
B
B
AD
I
just
kind
of
get
concerned
with
the
amount
of
staff
time
that
that
may
go
into
something
like
this,
and
you
know
recognizing
that,
while
everybody
loves
outdoor
dining
when
you're
part
of
the
outdoor
dining,
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
that's
true
in
terms
of
you
know
how
much
folks
have
been
working
on
this,
and
I
just
greatly
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it,
but
I
I
think
my
my
leaning
here
is
really
dependent
on
staff's
assessment
of
the
the
sort
of
trade-off
right
applying
for
grants.
AD
E
Yeah,
so
I'd
actually
take
it
a
little
step
further
instead
of
partially.
I
think
this
is
infrastructure
that
we
should
completely
invest
in,
given
that
the
fees
are
then
self-perpetuating
beyond
and
given
the
lag
of
the
restaurant
industry's
recovery.
This
is
exactly
the
kind
of
investment.
This
is
exactly
the
kind
of
stuff
arpa
money
was
designed
to
serve.
E
We
know
our
restaurants
employ
lower
income,
and
you
know
marginalized
communities
are
employed
at
our
restaurants.
I
mean
it
is
so
fitting
for
us
to
make
this
investment
and
then
let
it
propagate
in
perpetuity
with
those
fees.
So
so,
instead
of
partial,
I
would
say:
let's
go
whole
hog
into
this
and
really
make
sure
we're
investing
into
the
long-term
sustainability
of
our
hospitality
industry.
B
Z
AH
We
will
develop
the
proposal
further
based
on
the
feedback
tonight.
We
would
propose
that
any
grants
would
be
limited
to
folks.
Who've
already
demonstrated
that
they've
spent
dollars
on
outdoor
dining
infrastructure,
that's
now
no
longer
compliant
if
we're
requiring
them
to
transition
to
this
uniform
modular
infrastructure,
whether
it's
on
private
property
or
public
property,
we're
suggesting
that
we
would
make
some
of
these
resources
available
to
them.
If
they
don't
want
to
participate
in
a
bulk
purchase
program.
That
would
be
limited
to
businesses
that
are
expanding
into
the
public
right-of-way.
J
AB
I
should
have
asked
this
a
few
questions
ago.
I
don't
know
where
it
fits
into
all
the
questions,
but
I
was
thinking
about
one
of
the
comments
and
I
wanted
to
first
thank
the
community,
everybody
who
wrote
back
on
those
surveys.
Some
of
those
answers
were
really
great
and
creative.
One
of
them
was
that
the
modulars
really
don't
account
for
as
much
creativity
per
se.
AB
Am
I
correct,
like
everything
begins
to
look
the
same?
It
has
that
more
corporate
look.
Somebody
wrote
and
I
tend
to
agree
with
them.
How
can
we
contin?
How
can
we
promote
creativity,
downtown
and
not?
Have
everything
just
look?
The
same
is
my
question,
or
are
you
really
into
the
look
the
same
thing
chris?
You
might
be
I'm
not
saying
it's
bad.
AH
Well,
community
vitality
now
includes
arts
and
culture,
so
I
I
would
suggest
that
that
is
an
element
that
we
want
to
remain
flexible
to
a
certain
point
and
that
the
the
infrastructure
that
we
are
looking
at
does
have
elements
that
can
be
customized
per
business
desires
and
if
there
are
wood
panels
that
can
be
painted
there
are,
there
are
a
number
of
variables
and
options
available
in
the
infrastructure
that
we're
looking
at.
That
will
allow
folks
to
be
reasonably
creative.
AH
I
think
that
creative
is
also
can
be
something
that's
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder
and
something
that
might
seem
really
creative
to
to
one
person
might
seem
like
quite
the
eyesore
to
another,
so
trying
to
put
some
guardrails
around
that.
Z
If
I
can
just
expand
on
that
too
that
one
of
the
reasons
modularity
has
been
proposed
as
an
initial,
not
as
an
only
is
because
it's
faster
and
there
is
a
desire
to
have
some
ability
for
current
restaurants
to
really
be
able
to
step
into
that
as
well.
There
is
a
tract
where
people,
if
they
want
to
be
more
creative
and
more
unique,
that
they
can
do
it,
but
then
their
track
for
approval
will
be
slightly
elongated.
Z
So
that
will
be
something
that
will
be
a
determination
made
by
each
business
as
we
move
forward
and
again,
as
we
continue
to
step
up
that
may
change
in
the
future.
But
for
now
there
was
an
expediency
about
modularity.
That
is
both
timeliness
issue
and
knowing
that
there
is
some
customization
that
could
come
as
well.
B
Right
well
and
well,
I
was
just
going
to
call
myself
next
to
what
you
did
so
I
just
say
that
I
think
you're
you're
on
the
right
track
here.
I
think
if
we
can
get
additional
grants
to
help
offset
the
capital
costs
fantastic,
maybe
we
can
get
assistance
from
say
the
downtown
boulder
partnership
and
applying
for
those
grants
to
not
put
too
heavy
of
a
burden
on
staff
or
look
for
other
assistance,
but
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
partially
subsidize
those
capital
costs.
B
E
Can
I
ask
that
maybe
we
go
to
the
matrix
and
because
the
one
question
I
have
is
do
we
want
to
in
this
particular
question?
Do
we
want
to
also
answer
it
by
perhaps
consolidating
those
five
options
down
to
preferred
two
or
three,
so
that
then
there's
much
more
focused
guard
rails
for
staff,
in
terms
of
where
our
eventual
maybe
preferred
direction,
might
go
versus?
It's
still
just
the
whole
enchilada
of
options?
S
B
Well,
I
think
you
were
talking
about
the
one
that
was
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
like
so
can
we
flip
to
that
quickly
and
and
I'll
just
I'll
just
mention
I'm
happy
to
to
take
a
look
at
that
I'll.
Just
point
out
that
that
we
have
what
are
we
doing
for
the
next
few
months
and
what
are
we
doing
longer
term?
B
H
You
know
this
one
has
appears
to
be
easy.
You
know,
so
many
people
would
like
to
see
more
pedestrian
traffic
on
the
west
end.
But
to
me
this
is
something
we
ought
to
be
fairly
cautious
about.
I
I
take
seriously
when
we
get
substantive
emails
from
jalowski
dave
querrey,
the
owner
of
jack's
west
end
cafe.
Centro
apparently
trident
is
also
interested
in
returning
the
west
end
to
normal
and
going
back
to
something
that
that
matt
said.
H
If,
if
we
wish
to
help
our
restaurants,
what's
the
right
thing
to
do
here
and
it's
not
simply
whether
we
want
to
have
car
traffic
there
or
not,
I'm
focused
on
what's
going
to
be
beneficial
to
our
restaurants
and
that
sector,
and
when
you
look
at
the
vacancies
between
9th
and
broadway,
I
I
have
questions
as
to
as
to
the
effectiveness
of
what
we're
doing,
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
necessarily
make
that
decision
tonight.
H
You
know
yay
or
nay,
I'd
like
to
see
more
analysis
of
it,
but
I
would
want
us
to
take
pretty
seriously
the
comments
from
some
fairly
serious
restaurateurs.
If
that's
the
sector
we're
most
concerned
with
assisting.
So
I
I
would
simply
urge
us
to
go
a
little
bit
slowly
on
that
juni.
Z
I
G
So
I
don't
know
which,
where
we
are
heading,
are
we
going
to
look
at
the
matrix
and
if
we
are,
I
would
like
for
chris
to
tell
us
where
to
go,
because
it
looks
like
there's
one
two,
three
four
five
options,
but
it
could
be
more
than
five
options
depending
on
how
we're
looking
at
it.
So
I
think
it
goes
back
to
the
question
that
was
just
recently
asked.
B
To
interrupt
but
yeah,
so
I
think
the
we've
already
done
the
left
hand
column
right
so
that
that
we
have
chosen
to
continue
outdoor
dining
expansions.
I
think
we've
given
that
feedback,
so
I
think
we're
looking
at
the
second
column,
which
it
as
proposed
has
three
options
to
no
continued
vehicle
closure,
seasonal
only
or
just
yes,.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
answering
the
white
correct
question
because,
because
I
I
don't
know
if
this
right-hand
column
of
the
matrix
is
is
always
in
forever
or
it's
just
between
now
and
october,
because
those
are
two
different
questions.
If
the
question
is
or
should
we
keep
west
end
closed
through
october,
while
we
think
more
about
this,
then
that's
maybe
a
different
answer
than
are
we
making
a
long-term
decision
now,
and
I
think
the
question
that
chris
asked
was
between
now
and
october,
or
maybe
august
right.
E
So
when
we
do
get
to
that
time,
we're
not
starting
at
five
we're,
maybe
talking
about
only
two
or
three
potential
options
for
the
long-term
possibility.
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
like
make
short
and
long-term,
perhaps
inc
steps
tonight,
if
possible,
versus
kick
the
can
on
the
long
term
until
october,
and
then
start
that
conversation.
I
B
Here's
what
I'd
suggest,
let's
start
with
the,
what
are
we
doing
for
the
next
few
months
and
then
the
next
question
is
about
what
kind
of
outreach
do
we
want
to
do,
and
I
think
maybe
we
could
then,
as
part
of
that
address
like
well,
what
kind
of
direction
are
we
looking
towards
and
how
do
we
want
to
engage
the
community
as
we're
thinking
about
that?
Could
that
work
so
we'll
start
with
the
short
term
and
then
talk
about
what
comes
next.
E
Sure,
yeah
sure
yeah
I
mean
that
works.
I
I
just
hope
we
come
out
of
this
with
a
little
bit
more
of
a
narrow
or
scope
of
long-term
possibility.
That's
a
point.
J
AH
We
were
presuming
that
whatever's
out
there
now
will
continue.
This
is
all
the
consideration
after
emergency
awards.
AH
Dining
that
into
travel
lanes,
so
we're
suggesting
that
we
know
emergency
orders
will
be
ending
at
some
point
and
we
want
to
work
with
restaurants
to
get
them
inside
an
envelope
that
will
work
with
a
reopening
of
the
west
end
of
vehicle
traffic.
If
that's
the
desire
of
council,
if
your
desire
is
to
keep
the
west
end
closed
indefinitely
in
anticipation
of
a
longer
planning
process,
then
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
require
restaurants
to
put
in
barriers
to
protect
outdoor
dining
from
vehicles.
AH
B
AH
B
Ask
a
clarifying
question
here,
because
the
the
question
is
saying
like
wow,
we're
also
talking
about
longer
term
right,
so
so
what
kind
of
interim
time
period
are
you
thinking
about
here
because
there's
like
so
there's
through
august,
then
there's
some
next
time
period,
which
is
about
what
you're
asking
about
now
and
then
some
longer
term
future?
Where
are
you
seeing
those
time
frames?
Looking
like.
AH
AH
So
we
we
would
anticipate
that
there
is
a
desire
to
extend
the
closure
on
the
west
end,
at
least
through
the
end
of
this
warm
season.
So
the
folks
who
have
tents
out
there
now
don't
need
to
remove
those
until
we
get
into
our
next
timeline.
B
AH
Then
post
the
end
of
emergency
orders
or
some
sort
of
you
know,
transition
time
where
we
get
folks
from
whatever
they
have
now
to
compliance,
because
we
discussed
earlier
that,
maybe
we
want
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
wiggle
room.
Even
if
the
emergency
orders
end
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
allow
folks
a
little
bit
of
time
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
outdoor
eating
season
to
get
into
compliance?
AH
Then
what
are
the
conditions
after
that?
So
it's
really
about
what
does
compliance
mean
on
the
west
end?
Does
compliance
mean
that
restaurants
need
to
pull
back
into
available
parking
spaces
so
that
when,
if,
if
this
closure
is
not
going
to
be
continuing
in
perpetuity
that
we
can
actually
open,
remove
the
concrete
barriers
and
traffic
and
flow
and
outdoor
dining
can
exist
and
coexist
with
that
mixed
traffic,
environment,
okay,.
AB
As
you
all
know,
my
biggest
concern
is
probably
the
ada
compliance
and
making
it
fair
and
just
making
it
easier
for
people
that
are
disabled,
that
I'm
gonna
go
with
opening
up
west
pearl
and
using
the
parking
spaces
for
the
outdoor
dining,
because
I
think,
besides
the
pictures
of
the
snow,
which
were
very
good
pictures
by
the
way.
Thank
you
for
those
it
reminded
me
of
what
it
was
like
in
the
winter
on
west
parliament.
AB
It
just
didn't
feel
that
safe
to
me-
and
it
was
quite
messy-
snow,
wise
and
also
heart
for
older
people,
seniors
and
disabled-
to
just
manipulate
themselves
around
some
of
the
blockades.
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
either
going
to
say
yes
for
opening
it
or,
if
you're
not
going
to
do
that.
Please
seasonal
and
please
don't
keep
pearl
westpro
closed.
Is
that
right?
Did
I
say
that
right
all
right.
E
So
well,
chris
thanks
for
clarifying
that
issue,
just
temporarily
with
regards
to
august
and
then
some
past
after
that,
and
then
the
longer
term,
beyond
that,
so
I
I
I
I
and
you
know
if
I'm
just
way
out
of
left
field
here,
I
would
like
to
still
think.
Can
we
ask?
Can
we
answer
the
question
in
the
form
of
a
straw
poll
between
those
three
options
with
west
pearl?
E
B
E
E
Want
to,
I
will
say
that
I
will
just
answer
the
question
then
I
would
like
to
see
wes
pearl.
I
would
like
to
have
us
not
consider
reopening
I'd
like
to
take
that
off
the
table
and
consider
either
seasonal
or
or
maintaining
closure
in
the
long
term.
So
I'd
like
to
narrow
the
three
options
down
to
two
in
terms
of
my
preference:
okay,.
J
It
feels
a
little
premature
to
answer
like
the
big
picture,
one
two
or
three,
because
I'm
hoping
we
will
get
more
information
like
during
the
interim
between
whatever
we're
doing.
I
would
say
that
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
reopening
until
the
analysis
is
done
so
that
that
seems
like
a
lot
of
work,
and
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
change
and
it
would
seem
like
a
pain
for
the
the
restaurants
and
businesses,
so
I
think,
to
continue
the
temporary
closure
until
we
know
what
we're
doing
would
be
my
my
top
choice.
J
I
am
concerned.
I
think
I
have
really
enjoyed
the
the
west
end
closure
and
it
seems
like
it's
just
been.
You
know.
I
think
it
was
mark
councilmember,
walk.
Who
said
you
know,
it
seems,
like
you
know
all
good
like.
Why?
Wouldn't
we
do
it,
but
the
the
tax
numbers
that
you
showed,
the
like,
the
the
revenue
and
taxes
seem
to
demonstrate
that
we
don't
love
west
end
closure
like
if
we're
not
giving
them
business,
then
then,
and
we
just
think
it's
good,
then
that's
that's
not
a
favorable
outcome
to
me.
J
So
I
would
like,
I
would
definitely
like
more
information
on
maybe
a
deeper
dive.
You
said
that
there
were
businesses
that
closed
on
the
relevant
blocks
and
that
might
be
some
explanation
of
of
the
tax
revenue
on
those
blocks.
So
I
would
like
more
information
there
do
not
want
to
make
it
worse
for
businesses
that
we
are
trying
to
help
and
also
you
know
we
have
goals
to
get
people
out
of
their
cars
and-
and
so
this
is,
is
helping
towards
that
goal,
and
it's
it's
climate
friendly.
J
If
we
do
continue
the
closure,
I
think
we
need
to
make
it
more
bike
friendly.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
questions
you
know.
Maybe
maybe
it's
a
wound
instead
of
a
full
closure.
I
don't
know
yet
what
it
should
look
like,
but
I
think
directly
to
answer
the
question.
Keep
it
closed
until
we
know
would
be
my
my
hope
and
then
I
would
hope
that
we
revisit
this,
maybe
early
and
often
in
in
the
upcoming
months.
Thanks.
AI
Thank
you,
yeah,
I'm
mostly
in
alignment
with
rachel.
I
think
that,
but
I
do
want
to
bring
up
an
additional
thing,
which
is,
I
don't
think
I
want
to
see
the
transition
happen
in
the
middle
of
summer.
I
think
that
that
would
be
really
cause
a
lot
of
chaos,
as
a
lot
of
people
mentioned,
that's
the
busiest
time
for
a
lot
of
those
businesses.
So
for
me
I
think
it
should
stay
the
same
as
it
is
until
october.
AI
It
would
be
nice
to
have
more
information
at
that
point.
To
start
considering
like
what
the
long-term
options
are,.
AI
For
me,
I
would
like
to
see
it
stay
closed,
but
I
do
you
know
with
the
difficulty
of
10th
not
going
through
and
some
of
the
issues
that
are
kind
of
unique
to
the
urban
fabric
in
that
area.
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
that
in
a
really
nuanced
way,
and
so
maybe
you
know
one
of
the
people
suggested
an
area
in
kirkland
park.
AI
Lane
becomes
a
one-way
wooner
through
a
restaurant
area
downtown,
and
that's
that
example
seems
really
successful
and
so
looking
at
some
potentially
one-way
with
parking
that
allows
us
to
address
some
of
these
issues,
maybe
for
a
portion
of
the
street,
maybe
tenth
goes
through
in
one
direction
or
the
other,
but
that
still
allows
more
outdoor
seating
than
we
have
now
and
is
less
of
a
car
street
than
just
opening
it
up.
But
I
also
understand
that
making
those
changes
takes
time.
That's
a
big
design
undertaking.
G
Thank
you
erin.
I
think
just
from
hearing
my
colleagues.
I
think
this
is
a
very
hard
conversation,
or
at
least
even
for
me,
I'm
not
sure
where
everybody
stands
and
that's
why
earlier
I
thought,
maybe
some
framing
for
us
would
have
been
actually
pretty
good
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
matrix,
as
was
referred
by
matt
and
it
seems
like
if
we
were
to
say
no
to
both
to
continuing
outdoor
dining
and
also
no
to
continuing
the
west
end
closure.
G
We
would
get
to
safety,
accessibility,
equity
and
operations.
It
would
be
on
the
green.
So
to
me
at
first
I
thought
that
was
a
no-brainer.
That's
what
I
wanted,
but
I
think
we
have
to
also
consider
other
things
in
the
community
as
well.
So
I
think
for
me
I
would
say
yes
to
continued
outdoor
dining
expansion,
but
no
to
the
continued
west
end
vehicular
closure,
I
think
to
me:
that's
the
sweet
spot
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
what
you're
looking
from
council
members,
because
from
everyone
else,
I
heard
so
many
different
things
I
heard
seasonal.
G
AH
Juni,
your
answer
was
the
clearest
based
on
the
materials
provided.
So
thank
you.
I'd
say
that
I
I
will
maybe
want
to
go
back
and
and
repeat
summary
of
what
I've.
S
AH
If
we're
not
feeling
like
there's
clear
guidance,
but
I
guess
I
want
to
hear
from
everybody
and
if
you
could
follow
jenny's
exam,
no
just
kidding
or.
A
L
H
I
don't
know
why
all
of
those
restaurateurs
I
I
mentioned
earlier
with
the
exception
of
pasta,
j
all
are
outside
of
the
barriers
and
seem
to
be
thriving,
and
if
you
go
inside
the
barriers,
we
have
a
number
of
places
that
have
gone
out
of
business.
H
So
again,
if
the,
if
the
premise
is,
how
do
we
support
our
restaurant
community?
I
would
like
to
know
why
that
is
the
case.
Why
have
we
had
so
many
businesses
failing
inside
the
barriers
and
so
many
restaurateurs
outside
the
barriers
wanting
us
to
take
the
barriers
down?
Those
are
things
we
just
don't
know
and
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
more
analysis
on
that
before
we
make
the
final
determination
as
to
whether
it's
open,
close
seasonal,
not
seasonal.
H
AD
Thank
you,
I'm
just
going
to
start
out
by
following
juni's
example
and
saying
that
in
the
decision
matrix,
I
am
also
a
yes
for
outdoor
dining
and
a
no
on
the
the
west
end
closure,
and
you
know
I
think
this
is
really
hard
for
me,
because
I
really
love
I
love
being
down
there.
I
love
the
idea
of
closing
off
streets.
AD
I
love
the
idea
of
having
more
of
our
city
that
doesn't
have
vehicles
in
it,
and
you
know
I
agree
with
rachel
and
lauren
that
change
is
hard
right.
So
if
we
were
to
go
to
a
place
where
we're
ending
the
seasonal
closure
or
sorry
ending
the
vehicular
closure,
when
the
emergency
order
ends
or
sometimes
shortly
after,
while
we
think
about
how
we
could
do
a
bigger
vehicle
closure
right,
that
is
hard.
It's
a
bit
of
yoyoing
for
the
businesses
that
are
there
right.
If
we
were
to
ultimately
go
back
to
deciding.
AD
Yes,
we
do
want
to
close
some
of
these
areas,
but
one
of
the
things
that
was
coming
to
mind-
as
I
was
thinking
about
this
and
preparing
for
the
meeting
tonight-
is
something
called
the
marshmallow
test
that
we
use
a
lot
in
in
cognitive
psychology
and
neuroscience,
and
I
wonder
what
it
is.
AD
You
know
that
we
would
gain
if
we
put
some
more
thought
and
time,
even
even
if
it
meant
reopening
to
vehicles
right,
but
if
we
put
the
thought
and
time
into
creating
something
really
intentional
downtown,
where
we
could
address
some
of
these
access
issues
where
we
could
give
businesses
some
time
to
prepare
for
what
what
might
be
a
longer
term
closure
that
that
feels
right
to
me.
AD
AD
But
I
also
think
that
opening
it
right
opening
it
back
up
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
While
we
make
that
decision-
and
I
just
just
sort
of
one
one
other
comment
along
those
lines,
we
have
so
many
crises
that
we're
trying
to
deal
with
right
now.
Housing.
AD
All
kinds
of
things
adding
something
I
I
don't
even
think
we
can
add
something
to
the
work
plan
right
now
right,
you
were
talking
about
it
being
a
future
work
plan
item
in
the
memo,
so
that
that
is
on
my
mind
as
well,
that
this
is
a
long-term
thing
that
we're
headed
toward,
but
I
think,
we've
definitely
gotten
some
feedback
from
the
community
that
it's
something
that
they
would
like
us
to
explore.
R
I
Some
of
you
know
that
I
I
like
and
kind
of
groove
on
boulder
history.
This
conversation
reminds
me
of
the
conversation
the
boulder
city
council
had
in
these
very
chambers
in
1976
about
whether
to
close
pearl
street,
and
there
was
a
huge
raging
debate
and
businesses
along
pearl
street
said
no,
don't
close
pearl
street
you'll
put
us
out
of
business
and
where
will
people
park
and
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
stuff?
I
And
now
we
look
back
50
years
later
and
we've
got
probably
the
most
successful
pedestrian
mall
in
the
world
now
does
six
blocks?
Is
six
blocks
50
better
than
four?
I
have
no
idea,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
these
things,
but
but
these
very
discussions
were
happening
50
years
ago
and
I
suspect
they'll
be
happening
for
at
least
a
few
more
months.
I
guess
I'm
I
come
out
where
matt
and
rachel
and
a
few
other
people
do.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
long-term
solution
is,
but
I
guess
my
inclination,
because
we
have
businesses
that
are
are
out
there.
They've
been
made
investments.
We
have
community
members,
we
seem
to
have
a
majority
of
businesses
and
community
members
who
are
supporting
continued
closures.
I
guess
I
would.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
You
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
sorry,
but
I
would
keep
it
closed
until
we
make
those
decisions.
If
we
can
make
those
decisions
in
four
to
six
months,
that's
great.
I
If
it
takes
longer
than
that,
then
we
should
do
that
rather
than
reopening,
because
I
I
suspect,
if
we
reopen,
we
will
never
close
it
again.
I
mean
it.
We
can
we'll
be
talking
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
we
will
never
close
it
again.
So,
let's
seize
what
we
have.
We
have
people
who've
made
investments.
We
have
community
majority
community
members,
the
majority
of
businesses
who,
like
this
notwithstanding
the
two
or
three
emails
we
got
today
and
and
take
the
time
it
takes.
If
it
takes
two
months,
that's
great.
I
I
A
couple
things
that
I
would
like
to
get
from
your
team
chris
include
some
more
detailed
tax
info
because,
as
matt
observed
in
another
convention
visitors
bureau
observed
the
last
businesses
to
recover
are
restaurants
and
they're
lagging
hotels
and
other
hospitality
industries,
and
so
I
think
the
tax
information
we
had
was
kind
of
aggregated
I'd
like
to
see
more
detailed
information
about
I'd
like
I
know
we
don't
disclose
tax
information
on
a
per
business
basis
as
confidential
and
you
keep
it
confidential.
But
I'd
like
to
understand
on
a
per
restaurant
basis.
I
How
are
they
doing
compared
to
2019
using
2019
as
the
baseline
on
a
business
by
business
basis,
because
I
think
we
aggregate
west
end
of
town
versus
east
end
of
town
you're,
there's
a
lot
of
masking
that's
going
on.
Businesses
are
closing,
there's
more
restaurants
in
the
west
than
there
are
on
the
east,
so
to
say
that
the
west
is
slow
in
recovery
may,
just
because
the
fact
there's
more
restaurants
there,
and
so
I
would
look
at
on
a
restaurant,
a
business
by
business
basis
and
have
that
analysis
done.
I
I'd
also
like
to
you
know,
mark
made
a
comment:
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
that
have
closed
on
west
parole.
There's
a
lot
of
businesses
have
closed
on
the
breaks.
There's
a
lot
of
christmas.
Businesses
have
closed
on
east
parliament.
We
could
rattle
through
them
all,
and
I
don't
know
who
wins
that
competition,
but
we
we
have.
A
lot
of
businesses
have
closed.
So
I
think
I'd
like
a
scientific
analysis
rather
than
an
anecdotal
one
about
which
businesses
have
closed
and
where,
rather
than
just
kind
of
saying.
I
Well
this
one
closed
so
that
one
closed,
let's,
let's
go
through
and
take
the
time
and
do
that
scientifically.
I
would
like
us
to
evaluate
access,
because
I
think
there
is
a
solution
there.
I
don't
think
access
is
super
super
important,
arguably
the
most
important
factor
we
need
to
consider
here,
because
we
have
members
of
our
community
who
cannot
avail
themselves
of
this
wonderful
thing.
I
Then
we
haven't
done
our
jobs,
but
I
think
there
are
solutions
there
where
we
can
allow
all
members
of
our
community
to
access
this
really
really
cool
thing,
and
I
wouldn't
want
a
lack
of
creativity
to
stand
in
the
way
and
say
well
geez.
We
couldn't
figure
it
out,
so
I
guess
we're
just
going
to
have
to
throw
hands
up
and
walk
away
and
then
finally,
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
have
more
information
about.
You
know:
we've
kind
of
thrown
seasonality
in
in
the
middle
of
this.
Almost
as
like
a
compromise
point
like
it's.
I
Well,
if
you
don't
want,
yes,
you
don't
like.
No,
how
do
we
just
do
this
seasonally
and
that
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
logical
sense
to
me,
I'd
like
to
hear
the
logical
reasons
why
seasonality
is
a
good
thing,
because
seasonality
occurs
to
me
involves
at
least
two
transitions
per
year
and
that's
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
effort
and
a
lot
of
expense.
So
I'd
like
to
understand
why
seasonality
is
a
good
thing.
I
Maybe
it
is
a
good
thing,
but
I
haven't
heard
that
I
haven't
seen
that
yet
other
than
it's
halfway
between
yes
and
no
and
I
want
I
want
it
to
be
a
little
bit
more
rational
than
that
I'd
like
to
know.
Why
is
why
is
seasonality,
a
better
thing
for
businesses
and
a
better
thing
for
the
community?
Maybe
there
is,
but
I
haven't
heard
him
yet
so
that's
where
I
am
so
I'd
say
long.
I
know
that
was
a
long-winded
answer.
B
Okay,
I
think
I'm
the
only
one
who
hasn't
addressed
it
yet
so
I'll
just
say
I
mean
this.
This
is
a
challenging
one,
because
there's
a
difference
of
opinion
right
of
the
businesses
that
are
located
down
there
and
people
have
seen
some
have
seen
some
great
successes
with
the
current
situation.
Some
have
seen
some
real
challenges.
B
I've
spoken
to
some
of
those
restaurant
tours
and-
and
I
get
that
I
I
will
say
that
of
community
members
that
I've
heard
from
I
I
think,
just
about
all
of
them
that
I've
talked
to
have
really
enjoyed
the
outdoor,
dining
and
the
the
west
pro
close
to
cars.
I
feel
like
it's
generally
been
a
popular
thing
in
the
community
and
and
personally
I
love
having
some
additional
space.
That's
that's
not
available
to
cars
and
that's
it's
a
pedestrian
area,
so
I
I
think,
that's
really
lovely
and
has
been
really
successful.
B
So
I
and
I
think
that
if
we
we
have
an
opportunity
to
to
collaborate
and
co-create
a
vision
for
this
area
that
can
be
unique.
Not
just
you
know
the
pearl
street
mall
2.0,
but
but
that
you
know
could
incorporate
some
european
concepts
like
rachel
was
talking
about,
like
they're
parisian
market
streets,
they're
like
closed
in
the
morning,
because
they're
the
vendors
are
out
selling
all
the
time,
then
they're
open
for
deliveries
for
a
few
hours,
and
then
they
close
it
again
and
their
tables
out
all
evening.
B
You
know
so
I
think
there
there
are
a
lot
of
potential
different
possibilities
for
this
area
that
could
be
unique
and
really
beautiful
and
wonderful.
That
does
take
a
little
bit
of
time
to
work
on.
So
I
I'm
going
to
end
up.
I
think
rachel
and
said
said
it
well
and
then
I
think
bob
some
you
give
the
one
sentence
which
is:
let's
I
I
would
say,
keep
it
closed
while
we
figure
it
out,
but
I,
with
the
caveat
about
access,
which
is,
I
think,
a
really
really
important.
B
One
tara
spoke
to
that
well
and-
and
I
think
the
possibility
of
an
in
like
something
quicker
along
10th
street,
I
think,
is
really
interesting
like
are
there?
Are
there
more
tactical
interventions
that
we
could
make?
That
would
only
take
a
few
months
to
figure
out
that
would
get
us.
You
know
10
handicapped
parking
spots
and
six
pick
up
and
drop
off
spots
in
in
a
as
a
way
to
allow
people
with
mobility
challenges
to
be
able
to
get
close
to
this,
this
wonderful
area
of
town.
So
that
would
be
my
my
ask.
B
While
we
try
to
figure
out
larger
things
is
to
see,
could
we
do
something
in
in
the
shorter
term
with
that,
and
I
think
so
that's
my
bit,
which
way
to
follow
up
just.
B
J
J
That,
in
a
minute,
all
right
great,
so
my
question-
I
don't,
I
hope,
is
not
an
ask,
but
at
the
retreat
I
had
lifted
up
as
one
of
my
five
like
covid
silver
linings
and
one
was
working
through
outdoor
restaurants
and
and
west
end
expansion.
And
I
I
thought
I
was
told
that's
already
part
of
the
work
plan
so
just
want
to
clarify
because
it
was
said
like
we're
not
adding
to
the
work
plan,
and
I
my
understanding
is
this
is
on.
Z
Z
Z
I
think
what
you
have
given
us
here
is
really
good
direction,
that
there
is
a
general
desire
to
sort
of
open
up
streets
more
and
to
allow
for
more
creativity
and
to
look
for
other
options,
not
just
downtown,
but
frankly,
in
other
neighborhoods
and
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
but
I
gotta
say
that
as
we're
looking
for
that-
and
this
is
again
good
direction
to
go,
there
is
the
practical
concern
and
I
try
to
be
very
honest
with
everyone.
There's
a
practical
consideration
of
what
needs
to
be
done.
Z
Z
It
was
easier
to
do
in
covid,
right
figuring
out
what
we
need
to
do:
post
covid,
when
emergency
orders
aren't
there
is
going
to
be
something
that
we're
gonna,
take
back
and
figure
out
how
to
come
to
you
all
with
an
ordinance
that
can
fast-track
something,
but
it
will
not
fast-track
everything
and
then
there's
the
bigger
conversation.
Frankly-
and
I
think
I
know
bob-
and
I
have
talked
about
it-
and
you
all
have
mentioned
it-
there
are
larger
conversations
to
be
had
here
about
the
future
of
downtown
and
the
vision
for
downtown.
Z
And
what
does
that
look
like
and
some
conversations
that
happen
certainly
well
before
I
arrive,
but
that
are
much
more
intricate
and
involved,
and
there
are
things
that
are
simply.
We
don't
have
the
capacity
to
do
in
this
year's
work
plan.
So
what
I'm
hearing
in
the
in
the
conversation
and
when
we
talked
about
those
silver
linings-
and
I
think
I
started
with
that-
is
that
we
knew
that
the
outdoor
pilot
on
the
right
now
in
downtown
was
something
that
we
could
probably
come
forward.
We
were
working
on
that
we're
going
to
move
forward.
Z
How
do
we
get
to
the
other
aspects
are
something
that
we
also
want
to
move
forward,
because
we
have
certainly
heard
from
you
all
and
from
community
members
that
some
longer
term
more
expanded
beyond
downtown
vision
of
what
does
it
look
like
to
have
this
kind
of
outdoor
dining
all
around?
I
won't
say
the
name
of
it,
but
my
favorite
beverage
place
is
one
that
actually
is
not
downtown
and
is
currently
occupying
a
parking
structure.
Z
So
I
have
warned
staff
to
let
me
know
well
in
advance
before
I
have
to
clutch
my
pearls
and
figure
out
what
the
future
of
that
looks
like,
but
I
think
that
we
know
that
we
want
to
move
forward
in
a
different
direction
and
part
of
that
will
be
saying
we're
not
going
to
do
it
now.
Our
work
plan
is,
we've
got
to
build
that
conversation
and
that
engagement
with
community
and
figure
out
what
exactly
you
want
us
to
do
in
the
future,
which
will
be
broader,
so
some
things
we're
going
to
do
now.
Z
B
So
we
all
kind
of
spoke
to
this
is
a
complex
topic,
and
you
heard
that,
in
our
words
I
I
heard
probably
five
people
who
would
like
to
keep
this
open
while
we're
exploring
the
next
phases.
People
tell
me
if
you
disagree
with
having
gotten
that
gist.
B
Well,
I
think
of
it
as
keeping
it
open
to
pedestrians,
so
keeping
it
close
to
cars.
While
we
figure
out
next
steps.
Did
I
get
that
right?
It
seemed
like
a
kind
of
a
bare
majority
on
that
one,
but
recognizing
that
this
is
a
complex
topic
with
pros
and
cons
and
and
we
we've
got
to
figure
out
some
next
steps
and
we'll
work
on
it
together.
Z
Appreciate
that
and
what
I
also
heard
was
come
back
to
us
often
and
right,
I
think
that's.
Our
next
step
is
getting
more
information
continuing
to
work
on
it
figuring
out,
step
by
step.
One
of
our
next
steps
will
be
what
happens
if
we
don't
have
a
reason
to
keep
emergency
orders
viable
past
august.
What
is
our
next
step
and
we'll
want
to
talk
to
you
about
it?
Z
G
B
AB
I
would
also
like
to
know
from
the
businesses
there's
going
to
be
a
difference
in
summer
versus
winter
in
january
and
february,
and
I'm
super
concerned
about
january
and
february.
Coming
up
again,
I
know
bob
that
you
can't
see
any
reasons
why
to
close
change
things
seasonally,
but
you
know
I
think
we
should
we've
talked
about
this,
because
I
don't
understand
why
we
would
close
west
pearl
or
keep
it
open
close.
It
close
it
to
cars
in
the
winter.
AB
When
that's
when
we
really
need
when
it's
really
cold
and
snowy,
and
when
a
lot
of
people
want
to
do
takeout
and
want
to
grab
things
quickly
and
nobody's
going
to
be
walking
around
in
sub-zero
temperatures
are
very
few.
People
are.
So
that's
why
I
would
like
us
to
still
consider
seasonally
opening
west
pearl
to
cars
in
the
cold
months.
B
AA
B
AA
Simply
prohibits
that
it
would
be
very
informational,
but
we
can't
do
it,
but
what
we
can
do
is
look
at
what
different
kinds
of
granular
ways.
Can
we
break
this
up,
perhaps
by
geography,
perhaps
by
month,
that
kind
of
thing
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
understanding
your
expectations
and
able
to
meet
those.
AD
I
know
I
kept
bringing
up
the
racial
equity
instrument
every
time
we've
talked
about
this,
I
think
so
far.
I
am
really
interested
in
having
that
applied,
especially
to
the
west
end
closure
and
just
to
to
let
you
know
where
I'm
coming
from
to
me.
AD
I'm
hearing
that
this
is
a
pretty
significant
ask
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
long
term
as
well
as
just
to
maintain
the
closure
right
and
what
I
think
about
is
who's
benefiting
from
that
and
who's
not
benefiting
where
in
our
community
are
those
resources
or
could
those
resources
be
directed
either
in
ways
that
are
more
aligned
with
our
work
plan
or
more
aligned
with
our
racial
equity
goals,
because
when
I
go
downtown,
there's
a
specific
group
in
our
community
and
visitors
who
are
using
downtown
space,
it
is
not
a
space
that
feels
welcoming
to
to
certain
groups
in
our
community,
and
so
when
I
think
about
engagement,
that's
that's
what
I'm
thinking
about
is.
AD
B
B
I
I
don't
know
you
know,
I
know
you're
busy
so
but
but
you
asked
the
question
so
I'll:
just
throw
it
out
there
is,
is
to
get
a
sense
from
from
the
general
population
of
people
in
all
demographics,
and-
and
you
know
what
would
you
love
to
see
with
outdoor
dining
and
in
the
west
end.
G
B
AH
A
AH
AH
No,
this
is
exactly
the
conversation
we
need
to
have.
I
would
say
that
there
are
still
a
lot
of
unknowns,
but
and
as
nuria
mentioned,
while
none
of
this
is
in
the
work
plan,
we
do
have
a
number
of
folks
who
know
that
we
need
to
to
be
figuring.
AH
These
things
out
and
a
lot
of
folks
from
a
lot
of
different
departments
have
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
top
of
their
regular
work
plans
to
bring
this
work
to
you
tonight
and
it
sounds
like
we'll
be
back
again
in
the
not-too-distant
future
to
to
keep
the
conversation
moving.
AH
B
Z
Well,
all
I
wanted
to
say
I
think,
the
last
time
we
met
about
the
library
district.
There
was
a
conversation
about
perhaps
staff
touching
base
with
boulder
county.
Thank
you,
chris,
with
boulder
county
and
the
commissioners
and
invited
you
to
participate
in
that
conversation
mayor
and
perhaps
invite
you
now
to
share
with
your
colleagues
what
that
update
would
be.
B
Thanks
so
much
and
I'll
just
frame
it
for
folks,
I'm
going
to
provide
information
about
that
discussion,
then
I
will
be
asking
for
some
feedback
from
council
on
on
next
steps,
but
hopefully
that
can
be
relatively
quick.
So,
commissioner,
claire
levy
and
I
met
together
along
with
chris
messchuck
and
michelle
krizik
from
the
county
commissioner
staff-
and
you
know
we
had
a
good
conversation
where
we
talked
through
all
the
different
issues
involved
with
the
library
district.
I
think,
as
you
may
have
heard,
at
their
at
their
meeting.
B
They
did
not
pass
a
resolution.
So
of
course
we
passed
a
resolution
by
vote
of
six
to
three
to
form
a
library,
library
district.
They
did
not
pass
a
resolution
at
their
meeting
and
what
I
heard
from
claire
was
that
they
really
are
looking
for
a
funding
model
where
the
city
is
still
responsible
for
a
large
percentage
of
the
funding
for
the
library
out
of
its
general
fund,
so
they
they.
She
mentioned
the
a
one
mill
as
a
number
that
would
be
acceptable
to
them
for
a
library
district.
B
You
know
we,
as
you
know,
our
resolution
included
a
3.8
mill
number,
although
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
that
number
that
goes
on
the
ballot.
But
I
in
our
discussions
I
said
my
understanding
is
that
you
can't
really
go
below
three
or
maybe
slightly
over
three
and
still
fund
the
library
district
out
of
the
mill
levy.
Sorry
fund
the
library
system,
out
of
the
mill
levy
for
the
library
district.
B
So
she
indicated
that
there
was
maybe
some
flexibility
on
the
one
mill
number,
but
that
three
was
essentially
right
out
and
I
think
she
did
have
a
chance
to
talk
some
to
her
colleagues
in
the
last
few
days
and
that
seems
to
be
a
consensus
position
of
the
commissioners,
not
a
formal
decision,
but
seems
to
be
generally
where
they're
leading.
We
also
had
the
question
of
well.
If
we,
if
we
didn't
form
a
library
district,
but
but
we
continued
funding
it
from
the
city's
approach,
could
the
county
contribute
some
funding?
B
Because
I
think,
as
we
know,
one
of
the
goals
of
the
the
district
project
is
to
align
the
users
of
the
library
system.
With
the
funders
of
the
library
system,
so
hey,
could
the
county
potentially
contribute
some
general
fund
money
of
theirs?
I
did
not
hear
interest
in
in
doing
so.
It
sounds
like
the
county
commissioners
are
not
interested
in
providing
a
a
general
fund
contribution
to
the
library
system
and
for
for
reasons
having
to
do
with
that,
being
primarily
property
tax
based
across
their
entire
county.
B
So
I
think
where
we
ended
up
was
with
maybe,
as
I
read
the
majority
of
city
council
that
passed,
that
resolution
of
needing
something
in
the
three
range
on
the
mill
levy
and
the
commissioners,
seeing
one
to
maybe
a
little
bit
more
but
not
close
to
three.
B
So
it's
not
it's
not
seeming
like
we're
getting
anywhere.
Unfortunately,
so
that's
that's
sort
of
the
I
will
call
it
say.
The
disappointing
news
I
have
to
report
is
that
we
had
a
good
conversation.
We
worked
together
in
good
faith,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
seems
like
we're
still
quite
far
apart,
so
I
think
in
unless
I
think
a
majority
of
council
would
like
to
direct
us
next
to
say
you
know
what
hey
fine.
Let's
look
at
1.5
mills
as
a
valid
alternative.
B
So
that's
what
I
got
questions
are
rachel.
Do
you
want
comments
but
sure.
J
I
I
guess
just
getting
straight
to
the
point.
I
would
probably
just
put
it
to
bed
we're
too
far
apart
and-
and
I
would
you
know,
give
the
library
champions
the
direction
or
whatever
they
need
to
know
that
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
do
this
with
the
commissioners.
E
E
I
don't
know
what
the
library
champions
are.
Gonna
actually
do
so
they
may
put
something
on
the
ballot,
regardless
of
what
we
put
forward.
Maybe
we
come
to
some
agreement.
They'll
still,
maybe
do
their
thing
so
without
predetermining
that
outcome.
I
I
am
curious
if
they're,
because
claire
did
mention
in
our
con
when
we
were
in
a
joint
meeting
that
the
2.72
was
of
interest
because
she
had
the
argument
that,
as
assessments
go
up,
that
money
goes
up
and
is
that
even
a
baseline
for
us
to
even
have
a
starting
place?
E
Is
that
that's
that
mill
covered
the
existing
costs
of
the
libraries
just
from
a
basic
baseline,
and
are
you
saying
that
they
can't
even
go
over
1.5?
I
was
just
trying
to
say:
is:
is
there
a
place
to
get
to
just?
Can
we
get
to
a
basic
operating
and
then
all
the
extra
stuff
is
to
be
determined
at
a
later
date
as
it,
you
know,
maybe
accumulates
money
well,.
B
So
let
me
be
clear:
the
the
the
interest
was
in
one
mill
and
there
was
a
an
intention
that
was
said.
We
could
maybe
talk
about
something
larger,
but
not
close
to
three.
That's
that's
what
I
heard
so
I
threw
out
1.5
as
an
example,
but
that
actually
was
not
a
number
that
was
used
by
by
claire
another
commissioner.
E
H
Mark
has
anybody
spoken
to
the
library
champions?
Do
they
intend
do
we
know
if
they
intend
to
put
it
on
the
ballot.
J
H
It's
not
a
heavy
lift
on
the
signature
collection,
so
I
I
assume
if
they
want
to
do
that,
they
are
free
to
do
that.
B
Yeah
they
are,
and,
to
be
clear
I
mean
I,
I
read
that
same
email
and
it
does
seem,
like
the
those
library
advocates,
intend
to
bring
forward
a
petition
if
we
cannot
go
the
resolution
route,
but
that
would
be
out
of
our
hands
right.
That
would
be
independent,
individual
citizens
moving
that
forward,
but
it
does
seem
like
they
intend
to
do
that.
B
So
I
guess,
unless
I'm
hearing
differently,
unfortunately,
this
would
be
the
end
of
the
resolution
route,
so
great
work,
everybody
and
attempting
to
make
that
function,
but
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
work
out
this
year
with
the
commissioners.
B
And
yeah
and
things
in
particular,
we
had
we've.
We've
spent
a
lot
of
staff
time
david
farnan
and
his
group
and
chris
chuck
other
people
across
the
organization
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
getting
us
to
this
point.
But
we'll
see
what
happens
next
so,
but
thank
you
for
all
of
your
work
staff
appreciate
very
much
all
right.
So
I
guess
that's
what
we
got
on
that
sorry.
I
don't
have
better
news
on
that
one,
but
any
last
thoughts
for
tonight's
meeting.