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A
A
A
A
C
Thanks
Aaron,
why
didn't
the
Watermelons
get
married
yeah,
the
cantaloupe.
D
E
H
J
B
B
That's
everybody.
The
amend
the
agenda
is
amended,
so
I
have
the
great
honor
of
kicking
off
this
meeting
with
a
Johnny
Teeter
and
Matt
Applebaum
housing,
Legacy
Day
declaration,
Matt.
B
Yes,
we're
good.
Okay,
that's
loud,
and
this
is
a
particular
pleasure
for
me,
because
Johnny
and
Matt
are
both
friends
of
mine
and
I
learned
much
of
what
it
is
to
be
a
mayor
from
Matt's
example.
He's
been
a
mentor
and
a
friend
for.
B
Okay,
so
Johnny
Teeter
and
Matt
Applebaum
housing,
Legacy,
Day,
Matt,
Applebaum
and
Johnny
Teeter
have
selflessly
decided
to
donate
a
home
to
benefit
affordable
home
ownership
through
the
housing
Legacy
program.
Their
legacy
will
grow
and
endure
through
their
contribution
to
affordable
housing
in
Boulder.
The
housing
Legacy
program
facilitates
the
donation
or
bequest
of
homes
by
Boulder.
B
Homeowners
wishing
to
leave
a
legacy
of
affordable
home
ownership
for
future
Generations,
both
Matt
and
Johnny
are
long
time
advocates
for
affordable
housing
in
Boulder
and
are
excited
to
make
a
tangible
contribution
to
Boulder's,
affordable
housing
efforts
through
this
donation
throughout
their
lives
and
through
their
civic
activism.
They
have
demonstrated
a
commitment
to
continuing
Boulder's
values
of
diversity
and
equity.
Matt
Applebaum
served
on
city
council
for
18
years,
from
1987
to
1995
and
from
2007
to
2017,
including
five
years
as
mayor
Matt,
was
also
a
member
of
the
city's
affordable
housing.
B
Working
group
and
Johnny
Teeter
has
served
as
a
member
of
various
boards,
including
the
city's
planning
board,
the
boulder
urban
renewal
Authority
and
the
library
Commission
Johnny
and
Matt's
appreciation
of
their
privilege
to
be
able
to
purchase
property
in
Boulder
and
build
wealth,
combined
with
their
desire
to
give
those
with
lower
incomes.
The
same
opportunity
has
led
them
to
action.
B
Johnny,
Teeter
and
Matt
Applebaum
should
be
recognized
and
celebrated
for
their
contribution
to
the
community,
as
well
as
their
ongoing
support
and
dedication
to
permanently
affordable
home
ownership
in
Boulder.
So,
therefore,
we,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Boulder
Colorado,
declare
January
19
2023
as
Johnny
Teeter
and
Matt
Applebaum
housing,
Legacy
Day,
and
urge
all
of
our
members
of
our
community
to
recognize
this
special
occasion.
K
Been
a
while!
Well
thanks
very
much,
although
you
should
know
that
we
kind
of
hope
that
this
donation
doesn't
get
triggered
for
a
while
we'd
like
to
hang
around
Boulder
for
quite
a
few
more
years.
So
we
didn't
really
want
or
expect
any
sort
of
public
recognition.
Your
great
housing
staff
talked
us
into
this
and
the
reason
it
was
simple.
K
They
saw
this
as
an
opportunity
to
maybe
encourage
other
people
to
do
something
similar
and
I'd
like
to
take
a
minute
and
do
a
little
encouraging,
because
in
many
ways
that's
actually
more
important
than
what
we
as
individuals
have
done.
If
we
can
get
others
involved
in
this,
and
so
we
consider
ourselves
incredibly
lucky
to
be
in
a
position
where
we
can
do
this
and
it's
something
we
never
thought
we
would
be
able
to
do.
K
We
both
come
from
very
modest
backgrounds,
but
Serendipity
serendipitously
I
came
to
Boulder
over
45
years
ago,
back
at
a
time
when
more
or
less
normal
people
could
actually
get
into
the
housing
market.
That
hasn't
been
true
in
quite
a
few
years
now
and
there's
no
signs,
that's
going
to
change,
and
that
has
worried
us
for
many
reasons.
Equity
issues-
and
you
know
we
like
a
boulder
that
has
a
diverse
population
and
a
worry
that
that
is
Vanishing
and
will
continue
to
vanish.
K
It's
not
that
hard.
No,
not
everybody
has
a
rental
property.
They
could
donate.
Not
everybody
has
a
house,
they
can
donate.
We
get
that,
but
maybe
you
have
some
money
that
you
could
bequeath
to
the
city
when
the
the
time
comes.
In
fact,
that's
our
backup.
We
don't
know
if
we'll
still
own
a
rental
property
when
we
expire.
K
But
if
that's
the
case,
then
we
will
we're
delighted
to
to
contribute
some
money,
perhaps
a
small,
tiny
percentage
of
of
a
sale
price.
When,
when
your
house
sells
something
like
that,
as
a
historical
note,
in
ancient
times,
I
tried
to
get
the
city
to
enact
a
real
estate
transfer
tax
back
when
that
was
still
legal
and
I
wish.
K
We
are
delighted
we're
able
to
do
this
and
if
you
have
the
ability
to
do
it,
you'll
be
delighted
too.
So,
thanks
so
much.
B
Okay
running
back
into
place
here
so
now
it
is
time
for
the
international
Holocaust
Remembrance
Day
declaration
to
be
read
by
council
member
weiner.
M
Am
compared
to
you
International
Holocaust,
Remembrance,
Day,
January,
27
2023,
the
Holocaust
was
a
state-sponsored
systematic
persecution
and
annihilation
of
European
jewry
by
Nazi
Germany
and
its
collaborators
between
1933
and
1945.
Jews
were
the
primary
victims.
Six
million
Jews
were
murdered
and
by
the
way
of
that
6
million
there
were
about
1.5
million
children.
M
Roma
people
with
disabilities
impulse
were
also
targeted
for
destruction
or
decimation
for
racial,
ethnic
or
national
reasons.
Millions
more,
including
queer
people,
Jehovah's,
Witnesses,
Soviet
prisoners
of
war
and
political
dissidents,
also
suffered
Grievous
oppression
and
death
under
Nazi
tyranny.
International
Holocaust,
Remembrance
Day
is
held
on
January
27th
of
each
year,
the
anniversary
of
the
liberation
of
the
Auschwitz
death
camp.
M
M
While
this
period
of
dark
history
is
over,
anti-Semitism
still
plagues
our
society,
fueling
the
same
hatred
and
violence
that
charged
World,
War
II
as
a
city,
we
condemn
anti-Semitism
hatred,
ambigatory
and
all
its
forms.
We
pledge
to
call
out
this
Prejudice
in
solidarity
with
our
fellow
Jewish
community
members.
Such
intolerance
jeopardizes
the
well-being
of
us
all.
We,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Boulder,
Colorado,
declared
January
27
2023
as
International
Holocaust,
Remembrance,
Day
and
I'm,
giving
this
to
you
Rabbi
soloway.
Would
you
like
to
say
a
few
words.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you
city
council.
Thank
you
for
inviting
me
here,
I
just
a
very
few
quick
remarks.
Some
of
you
know
who
know
me:
I
grew
up
in
in
London
in
the
UK
and
growing
up
in
the
Jewish
community
in
London.
It
was
really
in
the
shadow
of
European,
jury
and
I
was
very
used
to
seeing
images
of
swastikas
on
in
Jewish
cemeteries,
seeing
Graves
desecrated
on
a
regular
basis
and
when
I
moved
to
the
states
more
than
20
years
ago.
N
N
That's
changed
significantly
in
the
last
few
years,
since
the
the
shooting
in
the
Tree
of
Life
synagogue
in
Pittsburgh,
the
FBI
reports,
so
many
more
hate
crimes
targeting
Jewish
people,
of
course,
along
with
all
of
the
other
victims
of
hate
crimes
and
for
the
first
time
in
many
generations,
a
lot
of
Jewish
people
in
this
community
and
Beyond
are
not
feeling
safe
about
the
future
for
Jewish
communities
in
in
the
United
States,
and
it's
very
scary.
Our
new
reality
is
that
we
have
armed
security
in
all
of
our
Jewish
institutions
on
a
regular
basis.
N
A
N
Causes
that
we
all
care
about,
whether
it's
about
climate
change,
homelessness
and
all
kinds
of
other
ways
in
which
we
collectively
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution
to
create
a
a
culture
of
of
love
and
tolerance
and
and
mutual
respect.
I
was
at
the
MLK
event
at
the
boulder
Jewish
Community
Center
on
on
Sunday
and
the
whole
notion.
N
The
amazing
keynote
speaker
about
what
what
makes
a
Beloved
Community
a
Beloved
Community
is
one
where
we
all
feel
safe,
where
we
all
feel
honored
to
to
believe
what
we
believe
to
practice,
what
we
practice
and
that
we
support
each
other
and
that
we
show
up
for
our
neighbors,
so
I'm
very
grateful
to
the
city
council.
For
this
declaration.
N
It
feels
very
relevant
and
real,
as
as
we
just
as
we
just
heard,
along
with
the
white
supremacy,
the
ugly
face
of
white
supremacy
that
threatens
our
identity
in
some
ways,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
Holocaust
denial,
as
some
of
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
attempts
to
underplay
the
historical
truth
of
the
Holocaust
as
a
way
to
minimize
it,
so
that
the
hate
can
be
perpetuated.
N
When
we
see
white
supremacies
with
torches,
saying
Jews
will
not
replace
us,
it's
very
harrowing
and
it
it
re-triggers
a
lot
of
trauma
for
for
people
of
Jewish
ancestry,
who
had
relatives
who
who
perished
in
the
in
the
Holocaust
room.
Second
world.
O
N
B
B
My
mic
is
on
here
that
that
our
entire
city
council
supports
these
efforts
to
combat
anti-Semitism
and
hate
crimes.
You
just
mentioned
that
personally,
as
a
as
the
mayor
in
the
representative
council
I've
signed
the
Anti-Defamation
League's
mayor's
compact
against
hate
extremism
and
bigotry,
as
well
as
the
mayor's
United
against
anti-Semitism
on
behalf
of
our
Council
I
know,
you
have
your
full
support,
so
thank
you,
everyone!
B
Okay!
Next,
we
have
the
national
day
of
racial
healing
declaration
to
be
read
by
council
member
Benjamin.
C
The
city
of
Boulder
is
committed
to
racial
equity
and
acknowledges
that
we
must
all
work
earnestly
to
create
courageous
and
supportive
environments
that
address
the
trauma.
Traumatic
past,
promote
healing
of
wounds
created
by
racial,
ethnic
and
religious
bias,
and
build
an
equitable
and
just
Society,
so
that
people
can
Thrive
as
city
leaders.
It
is
our
duty
to
provision
and
protect
the
opportunity
to
learn,
grow
and
thrive
in
nurturing
environments
to
that
that
do
not
violate
safety,
dignity
and
Humanity.
C
Racism
and
race-based
stress
are
unjust
burdens
that
present
physical
and
psychological
barriers
to
the
health
and
success
of
people
of
color
racial
healing
is
a
vital
and
crucial
commitment
to
the
education,
social,
mental
and
overall
well-being
of
all
community
members.
If
we
all
dedicate
ourselves
to
the
principles
of
Truth
racial
healing
relationship,
building
solidarity
and
transformative
action,
we
can
all
bring
about
the
necessary
changes
in
thinking
and
behavior
that
will
Propel
our
community
and
the
nation
forward
as
a
unified
Force,
where
racial
bias
can
be
recognized
and
unlearned.
C
We,
the
city
of
Council,
of
the
city
of
Boulder
Colorado,
join
the
nation
in
declaring
January
17
2023
as
national
day
of
racial
healing
and
urge
all
citizens
to
promote
truth.
Racial
healing
and
transform
transformation
in
the
ways
that
are
best
suited
for
them
individually
to
work
together
to
raise
our
Collective
Consciousness
around
the
need
to
reconcile
the
inequitable
pain
caused
by
historical
and
current
systems
of
Oppression.
B
P
Thank
you
so
much
mayor
and
we're
going
to
ask
our
fire
chief
Michael
kazarasso
to
come
up,
and
we
also
have
Mike
chard
our
director
of
The
Office
of
disaster
management.
Q
I
brought
a
few
people
with
me
today
so
again
for
the
record,
my
Colorado
fire
chief.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
through
the
mic?
Okay,
we've
got
a
brief
presentation
and
we're
going
to
explain
the
emergency
alert
system
in
the
context
of
the
latest
fire.
Q
It's
the
sunitis
fire,
even
though
the
agenda
says
Sunshine,
it
actually
started
as
a
house
fire
on
in
sunshine
Canyon,
and
then
we
immediately
had
to
split
it
off
because
it
became
two
incidents
in
one.
So
that
was
that's
the
reason
for
the
confusion,
the
purpose
of
our
as
they're,
hopefully
bringing
up
the
presentation
there
we
go
if
we
can
go
to
the
second
slide
there
we're
going
to
go
through
I've
asked
Chief,
Brian,
Oliver
and
director
Mike
chard
to
go
through
first,
a
timeline
of
the
fire
itself.
Q
What
happened
when
and
then
and
that'll
be
Chief
Oliver
and
chief
Oliver.
Just
so.
Everyone
understands
he's
a
big
part
of
my
Wildfire
response,
not
just
for
the
city
but
also
county-wide,
it's
members
of
his
team
or
himself
who
are
typically
in
charge
of
many
of
these
fires,
including
the
encar
fire.
So,
in
fact,
one
of
his
members
was
on
the
Wildland
fire
on
this
fire
too.
Q
So
he'll
go
through
the
time
timeline
and
then
right
after
him,
I'll
ask
director
chard
to
come
up
talk
about
the
alert
and
warning
system
how
it,
how
it's
working
today
and
then
kind
of
where
we're
heading,
or
at
least
where
we're
trying
to
head
sooner
rather
than
later
in
terms
of
the
city's
alert
system
and
how
that
integrates
with
the
county.
So
I'm
going
to
step
aside
and
allow
Chief
Oliver
to
come
on
up
here
and
talk
about
the
timeline
of
the
fire
itself,
and
that's
the
next
slide.
R
Thanks
Chief
again
for
the
record:
Brian
Oliver
Wildland
division
chief
for
Boulder
fire
rescue.
So
just
a
quick
rundown.
The
the
incident
came
in
to
dispatch
about
141
in
the
afternoon
as
a
structure
fire.
But
given
the
conditions
of
the
day,
we
were
borderline
red
flag
with
30
to
40
mile
an
hour
winds
out
of
the
West.
It
quickly
escalated
past
that
crossed
over
Sunshine
Road
Sunshine
Canyon
Drive
and
became
a
Wildland
fire
pushed
by
those
winds.
R
So
if
you're
looking
at
the
slide
there,
you
can
see
the
map
of
the
polygons
and
the
way
the
alerting
wind
is
units
from
the
field.
As
soon
as
that
became
a
Wildland
fire
realized
that
those
conditions
were
fairly
dire
and
wanted
to
get
people
out
of
the
way
as
soon
as
possible.
So
field
request
evacuation
orders
at
1405
So
within
that
first
20
minutes
of
the
incident
they
realized.
R
This
was
going
to
be
bigger
than
just
a
simple
house
fire
and
was
going
to
have
a
larger
impact
than
that
so
units
43,
KJ
and
M,
as
you
can
see
on
the
map,
are
those
pre-identified
polygons.
So
we
have
a
county-wide
system.
City
and
County
of
predetermined
polygons
for
evacuation,
just
to
streamline
that
process
and
make
things
move
a
little
faster.
The
the
polygons
we
use
in
the
field
are
the
same
ones
that
dispatch
has
and
they're
tied
to
our
everbridge,
our
alert
and
warning
system.
R
R
We
know
we
added
to
43l
that
next,
one
to
the
South
later
on
as
the
fire
expanded
within
the
city.
As
you
know,
this
wasn't
our
fire.
This
was
not
a
city
incident,
however,
we
had
units
respond
to
it
and,
of
course
Wildfire
knows
you
know
no
jurisdictional
boundaries
and
with
those
conditions
we
knew
that
was
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
city.
We
initially
placed
those
two
yellow,
polygons,
9,
17
and
25
on
an
advisory
just
to
say,
there's
an
incident
in
our
area.
You
should
be
aware
of
it.
R
You
know,
be
be
alert.
The
conditions
may
change,
we
ran
a
simple
fire
behavior
model
and
that
model
proved
in
those
wins
and
those
conditions
that
that
fire
could
be
on
the
city
in
no
time
flat.
So
we
upgraded
those
to
evacuation
warnings
again
same
similar
process.
We
did
9
15
17,
you
know,
I,
don't
want
to
go
through
the
details
there.
R
So
we
put
those
into
Zone
Haven
again
those
same
things
are,
then
we
tell
Dispatch,
they
put
it
into
our
every
bridge
system,
because
that's
the
still
the
system
we
use
city
and
county,
and
then
we
also
did
an
all
hazards
alert
for
all
the
city
employees
so
that
everyone
was
aware
of
the
incident
and
and
the
steps
we
were
taking
again
later
that
night
for
the
city
zones.
I
can't
speak
to
the
county,
because
those
three
zones
that
you
see
in
red
there
on
the
on
the
map
did
remain
in
evacuation
overnight.
R
R
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
that
really
just
Recaps.
You
know
what
I've
already
said
so
141
started
as
a
structure
fire
a
little
bit
earlier
than
three.
We
realized
that
that
was
a
Wildland
fire,
but
that
was
the
time
that
was
reported
and
then
at
314
we
notified
our
regional
Incident
Management
team,
as
Chief
calderazzo
alluded
to
that's
a
lot
of
folks
on
my
staff
and
regionally
throughout
the
county.
R
All
the
fire,
districts
and
others
joined
up
to
basically
take
command
of
a
complex
incident
because
that's
overwhelmed
the
local
jurisdiction
which,
for
this
fire
is,
you
know,
Boulder
Mountain,
Sunshine,
fire
and
Boulder
rural,
which
are
three
smaller,
mostly
Volunteer,
Fire
districts.
So
the
incident
management
team
stood
up
about
quarter
after
three
transfer
command
to
that
incident.
R
Management,
team
I
believe
occurred
about
1700
hours
or
five
o'clock,
and
then
by
about
one
o'clock
in
the
morning,
we
had
things
pretty
much
in
hand
and
released
most
resources
and
that's
pretty
much
the
summary
of
the
fire
and
then
the
next
day,
full
of
containment
returned
back
to
the
local
unit.
Any
questions.
S
Good
evening,
Council
for
the
record
by
chart
director
officers
of
disaster
management,
the
next
slide
we
have
for
you,
talks
about
our
current
system
and
apologize
for
it
being
a
little
busy.
But
there's
a
lot
to
our
system
in
this
slide
encompasses
those
things.
I'll
walk
you
through
them.
If
there
is
a
need
to
alert
the
community,
this
sort
of
Highlights
Highlights
the
systems
that
we're
going
to
use.
S
Obviously
the
first
thing
in
our
everbridge
system
is
the
landline
database
and
for
those
that
still
have
a
landline
or
a
for
a
phone,
this
system
is
updated
quarterly
and
that
database
is
going
to
create
a
warning
or
an
alert
that
will
come
through
on
your
landline.
The
opt-in
side
of
everbridge
is
for
folks
that
go
in.
You
can
do
this
on
boulderom.com
and
also
go
into
everbridge
and
create
a
profile
that
allows
you
to
receive
multiple
alerts
on
different
devices
and
through
different
means,
such
as
getting
a
phone
call
email
text
message.
S
These
the
system
has
been
integrated
also
with
what
we
call
iPods
and
that
stands
for
integrated
public
alert
and
warning
system,
and
this
gives
our
911
centers
the
ability
to
send
alerts
now
also
on
wireless
emergency
alerts,
which
are
the
handheld
devices.
We
all
have
also
activate
the
emergency
alert
system
which
goes
across
our
TV
and
radios
and
then
NOAA
Weather
Radio
can
also
be
activated
as
a
platform
to
alert
the
community.
S
The
messages
when
they're
sent
out
also
now
have
a
link
that
will
send
the
recipient
to
our
alert
portal,
and
you
can
see
this
on
the
boulder
oem.com
website,
and
this
is
a
portal
that
highlights
all
of
the
alerts
that
any
911
Center
in
our
system
would
send
out
in
this
particular
incident.
There
was
multiple
alerting
authorities
at
work,
so
you
had
ours
here
with
the
city
of
Boulder,
911
Center,
also,
the
county,
United,
Sheriff,
911,
Center
and
even
Longmont
is
tied
into
this
portal.
All
those
alerts
will
be
found
in
this
in
this
site.
S
It
shows
a
map.
It
also
gives
the
alerting
message
that
went
out
with
it,
and
it's
really
great
for
a
sort
of
a
moment
in
time.
If
you
receive
that
alert,
but
it
doesn't
give
you
the
sort
of
composite
like
the
Zone
Haven
map
does
showing
all
of
the
alerting
statuses
of
all
the
zones
that
have
been
activated
in
the
slide
you
saw
previously.
S
We
also
now
have
common,
alerting
terminology
across
all
the
alerting
dispatch,
centers
and
our
first
response
agencies
and
those
are
seen
as
advisories,
also
as
warnings
orders,
and
we
will
send
those
out.
The
orders
are
going
to
be
seen
as
an
evacuation
order
or
climb
to
Higher,
Ground
or
you'll,
see
it
as
a
shelter
in
place
order.
S
We've
recently
also
set
up
a
county-wide
polygon
project
that
was
completed
in
August.
Those
are
alerting
zones
before
the
Marshall
fire.
We
had
these
completed
west
of
36,
but
that
project
now
encompasses
the
entire
County
and
those
are
the
polygons
that
you
also
see
in
the
zone
Haven
system.
On
top
of
that,
we've
also
identified
the
evacuation
routes
for
the
entire
County.
These
are
the
primary
routes
that
we
have
in
every
jurisdiction.
In
unincorporated
and
Municipal
areas,
the
strategy
working
with
First
Response
agencies
around.
S
How
do
you
know
you
alert
people,
then
you
have
to
move.
People
was
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
the
main
arteries
flowing
so
that
the
neighborhoods
will
keep
funneling
out
and
in
that
evacuation
project
we
also
identified
traffic
control,
Point
areas.
What
we're
seeing
with
the
use
of
a
lot
of
these
Learning
Systems,
a
lot
of
people
are
receiving
alerts
and
we're
seeing
almost
as
many
people
trying
to
get
into
the
areas
that
we're
evacuating
as
people
getting
out.
You
can
see
there's
a
problem
with
that
is.
S
So
what
that
means
is
we
have
two
forward-facing
maps
such
as
when
we
had
the
cenitis
fire
one,
the
county
was
using
to
reflect
the
activity
that
they
were
putting
up
related
to
alerting
zones,
road
closures,
shelters,
and
then
we
also
had
ours
in
the
city
that
was
simultaneously
showing
status
of
zones,
road
closures
and
shelters
too.
That
did
create
some
confusion,
because
people
were
then
having
to
toggle
between
two
different
situational
awareness
maps
to
try
to
get
their
information
throughout
the
incident.
S
What's
going
on
another
Improvement
or
enhancement,
we've
made
this
year
was
development
of
a
comp
plan,
our
Communications
plan
that
integrates
Digital
trunked
radio
systems
with
our
standard
VHF
system,
and
that
has
helped
First
Response
agencies
being
able
to
coordinate
their
tactical
activity
on
a
communications
platform
when
they
respond
to
emergencies,
and
that's
currently
where
we
are
on
the
system.
So
when
we
have
any
sort
of
emergency
or
disaster
the
that
will
be
the
way
that
we'll
be
alerting
the
community.
S
Obviously
Sirens
are
another
piece
of
that,
but
those
are
activated
on
the
request
of
the
Incident
Commander
and
for
Wildfire
just
to
refresh
every
one
of
the
sirens
that
we
have
on
the
western
flank
of
our
city
are
equipped
with
a
wildfire
message,
so
Crestview
Columbine,
the
New
Britain
nist
and
the
Montessori
School
are
the
sirens
that
are
able
to
be
activated
and
used
under
a
wildfire
system.
S
Those
are
outdoor
warning
system
not
designed
for
indoor
warning
of
residents
and
that's
currently
where
we
are
in
our
status
of
our
current
system
future
enhancements,
and
these
are
going
to
be
happening
this
year.
The
first
one
we
have
is
wireless
emergency
alerts
gives
us
a
new
way
to
communicate
with
non-engage
banking
community
members,
and
we
have
translated
our
evacuation
orders
into
Spanish
and
that
will
be
completed
by
March
of
2023
and
we'll
be
able
to
simultaneously
launch
alerts
in
English
and
Spanish,
which
we're
not
able
to
do
prior
to
this
action.
S
We've
also
are
looking
or
did
purchase,
I'm
sorry
resident
connect.
This
is
also
another
purchase
that
came
through
brezzo,
which
adds
phone
number
databases
into
our
911
system.
So
there's
three
real
databases
used
now
through
everbridge.
One
would
be
the
landline
database.
One
is
the
opt-in,
which
is
a
voluntary
and
requires
residents
to
take
action
on
it,
and
this
one
is
just
like
the
landline.
It's
an
open
source
data
of
numbers,
it's
geotied
to
addresses
and
will
increase
our
ability
to
reach
residents
when
we're
using
the
everbridge
system.
S
Obviously,
Zone
Haven,
if
it
is
purchased
and
we
are
able
to
implement,
will
help
sort
of
smooth
out
that
that
gap
between
the
city
having
a
certain
capability
in
County,
not
having
that
so
we're
looking
forward
to
getting
that
resolved
next
week
and
moving
forward
on
implementing
that
project
and
then
also
currently,
we
have
what's
called
pan
Oak
the
camera
project
that
helps
evaluate
and
detect
wildfires
in
the
Front
Range,
and
that
project
has
been
deployed
for
about
the
last
four
months.
It's
got
another
sort
of
beta
test
period
until
June.
Q
So
thank
you
both
for
for
sharing
that
info
and
now
we'd
like
to
just
open
up
for
any
questions.
We
tried
to
keep
it
as
brief
as
possible,
so
we
could
save
some
time
for
questions.
Make.
B
T
Yeah
I
just
had
a
question
and
thank
you
first.
O
T
All
for
the
presentation
and
for
all
your
work
to
keep
us
safe
in
emergencies.
Have
we
checked
in
with
the
folks
at
the
center
for
people
with
disabilities
or
anybody
there
I'm
just
I'm,
curious
about
in
the
process
of
getting
these
alerts?
You
know
how
can
somebody
sort
of
respond
back
that
either
you
know
can't
drive,
doesn't
drive,
has
mobility
issues?
What
is
the
process
for
somebody
to
respond
back
to
an
alert?
In
that
case?
That's.
C
This
is
a
calm
year
for
you
and
we
won't
see
or
hear
much
from
you
in
2023.
That's
a
good
great
case
scenario
for
this
whole
Community,
but
we
love
actually
seeing
you
as
a
great
part
of
our
staff.
My
question
has
to
do
with
with
Zone
Haven
and
I
know
that
right,
like
imminently
you're,
going
to
have
that
conversation
about
funding.
C
Could
you
let
us
know
if
you're
successful
in
securing
that
or
not
because
if
not
I
I
think
I
I
would
certainly
be
curious
at
finding
maybe
other
creative
ways
to
create
that
cohesive
alert
system
at
the
county
level.
If
this
funding
approach
doesn't
work,
so
if
you
could
just
let
us
know
that'd
be
helpful
so
that
we
could
help
perhaps
leverage
our
advocacy
or
other
ways
to
make
sure
that
that's
done
for
our
accounting
and
Community,
most
certainly
sure
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
B
G
Thanks
for
the
presentation,
Chief,
and
also
for
the
great
work
during
the
fire
again,
my
question
is
just
around
social
media
and
how
we
push
out
this
information
to
community
members
who.
O
G
Not
be
getting
the
alerts
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
I
think
during
each
of
our
recent
fires,
I've
had
a
lot
of
personal
Outreach
texts,
also
on
social
media
and
recently
from
people
who
don't
want
to
be
on
various
types
of
social
media
like
I.
G
Don't
want
to
go
to
Nextdoor
or
Twitter
or
whatever
their
social
media
of
of
kind
of
this
day
and
of
the
day
is
because
there's
a
lot
to
dislike
in
a
lot
of
platforms,
so
just
wondering
how
we
are
getting
information
out
in
a
way
that
would
make
it
so
that
somebody
who
doesn't
want
to
you
know
maybe
watch
for
a
certain
reporter's
tweets
doesn't
have
to
get
on
that
social
media
platform.
Q
That's
a
great
question,
and,
and
actually
so,
if
we
use
social
media,
it's
really
as
an
extra
tool
we're
really
trying
to
direct
people
to
the
formal
site.
So
if
it's
not
Boulder,
oem.com
I
mean
that's
going
to
be
the
primary
way,
we're
going
to
get
information
out
to
people
so
we're
not
intending
the
social
media
platforms
to
be
the
primary
way
where
people
get
their
information,
we're
trying
to
direct
them
to
the
spot
where
they
can
get
up
to
up-to-date
information.
G
Appreciated
but
I
think
much
like
with
you
know:
reverse
landline
calls.
This
is
a
way
that
a
lot
of
people
are
getting
information,
whether
whether
we
we
preferred
or
not,
I
think
that
and
especially
for
people
again,
who
aren't
necessarily
in
the
zone.
That
would
get
the
alert
but
they're
wondering
like
you
know,
is
there
like
in
my
case
it's
my
sister's
house
in
the
zone
and-
and
you
know,
I-
didn't
get
an
alert
and
then
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
to
go
for
it.
G
So
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
get
it
out,
get
the
information
out
to
people
who
are
watching
alongside
and
I.
Think
social
media
is
a
pretty
powerful
way
in
this
day
and
age.
There's
a
lot
of
different
platforms,
kind
of
to
attend
to
so
just
wondering
if
we
have
a
plan
for
that
sounds
like
maybe
not
so
we
don't
want
one
I.
P
Apologize
and
I
know
that
our
director
of
communications
is
in
the
room
if
I
say
something
that
is
wrong
or
she
wants
to
add
to
it.
But
to
the
chief's
point,
I
think
we
have
a
variety
of
platforms
that
we
want
to
use.
P
We
certainly
want
to
send
people
to
the
main
website,
but
are
leveraging
those
social
media
platforms
that
exist
and
frankly,
we're
also
evaluating
new
social
media,
as
that
is
coming
forward,
because
there
are
new
technology
ways,
but
there
are
some
that
have
come
and
gone
super
quickly
and
some
that
are
not
as
vetted,
and
so
the
comms
team
I
know
is
taking
a
look
at
the
variety
of
of
new
social
media
opportunities
that
have
cropped
up,
perhaps,
as
we
have
seen
some
of
the
demise
or
the
lessening
of
Twitter
as
that
moves
forward.
P
A
G
I
thought
I
was
waiting
at
that
Nuri
asked
someone
else's
question
yeah.
No,
just
that
you
know.
I
would
hope
that
there
is
a
way
that
the
city
can
blast
to
12
different
social
media
sites
with
one
click
of
whatever
it
is
that
they
want
to
say
and
that
we're
looking
at
that
and
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
city's
looking
at
alternative
social
media
outlets
and
and
maybe
getting
the
word
out
of
of
where
we
can
find
the
city
of
Boulder
on
those
Outlets
would
be
helpful
thanks.
So
much.
B
Much
Jeep
for
everything
all
right
so
now
it's
time
for
open
comment,
so
I
believe
we
have
Brenda
writtenour
to
give
us
our
public
participation
guidelines.
X
X
There
we
go
so
we
always
like
to
go
over
these.
We
know
some
of
you
who
are
here
for
open
comment
tonight,
either
in
person
or
virtually
may
have
seen
these
many
times,
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
while
we
go
over
them
tonight.
For
those
who
might
be
less
familiar,
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,
meaningful
and
inclusive
Civic
conversations.
This
Vision
was
designed
to
support
the
physical
and
emotional
safety
of
community
members
staff
and
Council,
as
well
as
supporting
democracy
for
people
of
all
ages.
X
Identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives
for
more
information
about
how
this
Vision
was
created.
The
vision
itself,
the
community
engagement
process,
please
visit
our
website
bouldercolorado.gov.
The
easiest
way
is
to
just
type
productive
atmospheres
into
the
search
box.
Next
slide,
please
degrees
and
the
following
are
some
examples
of
rules
of
decorum
that
are
found
in
the
boulder
Revised,
Code
and
other
guidelines
that
support
this
vision
and
will
be
upheld
during
tonight's
meeting.
All
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
City
business.
X
Participants
are
required
to
sign
up
to
speak
using
the
name
they're
commonly
known
by,
and
individuals
online
must
display
their
whole
name
before
being
allowed
to
speak.
Currently,
only
audio
testimony
is
permitted
online
in-person
participants
are
asked
to
refrain
from
expressing
support
or
disagreement
verbally.
Traditionally,
support
is
shown
silently
through
American,
Sign,
Language,
Applause
or
jazz
hands
feel
free
to
practice
your
jazz
hands.
Now,
if
you
wish,
and
with
that
I
think
we
are
ready
to
begin.
B
Thanks
so
much
Brenda
all
right,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
our
10
in-person
speakers,
first
followed
by
our
10
virtual
persons.
I'll
read
three
names
at
a
time.
You
each
get
two
minutes
to
speak,
so
we've
got
Anna
Stott,
Tricia,
Holland
and
Evan
ravitz
come
on
down.
Y
Y
Yeah,
my
name
is
Anna
Stott,
I
use
they
or
she
pronouns
and
I
live
in
South
Boulder.
Currently
I
came
here
today,
because
I
mainly
just
have
two
questions,
one
being,
why
is
Boulder
drug
epidemic
not
prevalent
on
this
meeting's
agenda
and
two?
What
is
the
city
planning
to
do
to
Aid
the
people
at
Boulder
who
are
struggling
with
drug
addiction?
Y
This
is
Boulder
Colorado
we're
at
the
base
of
the
Rockies
the
years
2023
I
hope
we
would
have
a
community
understanding
that
our
justice
system
has
historically
perpetuated
and
continues
to
perpetuate
the
oppression
of
people
of
color
women,
low-income
folks
and
many
other
minorities
substance
use
affects
everyone,
not
just
the
people
experiencing.
It
I
believe
we
are
in
a
community
or
can
build
a
community
where
we
value
the
health
and
safety
of
everyone.
People
need
a
safe
place
to
do
drugs
rather
than
the
Public
Library
bathroom
or
the
bus
station.
Y
Bathroom
harm
reduction
is
proven
to
work.
It's
pretty
easy
to
find
these
studies.
Let
me
know
if
you
want
me
to
send
you
them
if
you
need
them,
and
it's
also
not
new
harm
reduction.
It's
been
around
since
the
1980s.
Some
since
counselors
have
stated
that
folks
are
two
times
more
likely
to
get
addiction
treatment
if
they
have
access
to
harm
reduction.
Z
Hi
everybody,
my
name,
is
Trisha
Holland
I
am
here
to
speak
tonight
to
urge
city
council
to
approve
the
police
oversight
panel
candidates
recommended
by
the
selection
committee
City
council's
request
on
December
15th
for
the
selection
panel
to
re-review
candidates.
Assure
proper
criteria
were
applied
and
provide
written
explanations
was
in
conflict
with
the
ordinance
that
states
that
selection
panel
deliberations
should
be
confidential.
Z
AA
I'm
waiting
for
my
presentation
to
go
up.
AA
AA
So
the
lack
of
campgrounds
promotes
meth
use,
contributing
to
a
quarter
million
in
damage
to
the
library,
and
now
the
bus
station,
Etc,
Aaron
and
Bob
have
sat
there
for
seven
years
as
they
died
over
200
people
spending
our
Millions
on
this
war,
as
the
problem
continues
to
get
worse.
Only
Nicole
and
Lauren
refuse
to
vote
for
the
latest.
Multi-Million
dollar
sweeps,
Denver
has
eight
successful
legal
homeless
camps
and
crime
has
gone
down
in
those
neighborhoods.
AA
B
Have
Christopher
Allred,
Michelle,
Rodriguez
and
Stephen
parlato.
AB
Good
evening,
Council
Chris
Allred,
commenting
on
behalf
of
Rocky
Mountain
peace
and
Justice
Center
tonight,
we're
here
to
present
a
petition
to
the
Boulder
City
Council
to
pass
a
proclamation
supporting
the
treaty
on
the
prohibition
of
nuclear
weapons.
There
are
150
signatures
on
this
petition
and
we
we
raised
this
with
the
council
last
year
in
2022
and
and
it
was
brought
up
that
there
is
a
public
engagement
process
with
the
council
in
order
to
comment
on
international
issues.
AB
So
we
gathered
signatures
in
the
community
to
show
that
there
is
interest
in
moving
this
forward
and
also
in
August
of
2022.
Our
neighbors
in
Longmont
passed
a
proclamation
supporting
the
treaty
on
the
prohibition
of
nuclear
weapons.
So
there
is
more
solidarity
growing
throughout
the
nation
and
regionally
for
this
treaty.
AB
B
V
Michelle
Rodriguez
not
really
sure
what
to
say
tonight,
but
I'd
like
to
start
out
with
that
I've
been
trying
to
contact
you
guys
to
be
heard
for
the
last,
like
six
months,
I'm
also
known
as
Michelle
Rodriguez
in
the
current
federal
civil
lawsuit
against
officer
Wayland
Lola
Tai,
the
last
couple
times
I
tried
calling
speak
I
wasn't
able
to
saw
a
clerk.
V
A
former
clerk
read
my
part
of
it
and
I
requested
that
my
remaining
40
seconds
be
held
in
silence,
and
then
they
diverted
it
to
our
current
City
attorney
now
miss
Tate,
who
is
a
party
to
my
case,
who
took
away
that
40
seconds
to
be
heard.
Yes,
ma'am
check
it
out.
V
It's
on
the
docket
Michelle
Rodriguez
versus
Waylon
Lola
Tai
Waylon,
Lola
Thai
was
able
to
quit
with
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
a
year
separation
packet.
The
week
after
I
filed
my
civil
lawsuit.
All
of
my
because
I've
not
I've
been
ignored
and
I
have
limitations
with
being
heard
and
affording
the
right
kind
of
legal
things.
All
of
my
stature
limitations
are
gone
well
in
Lola
Tai
left,
but
our
current
attorney
here
he
was
able
to
get
Justice
for
my
friend,
Sammy
Lawrence,
who
was
attacked
a
week
after
being
seen
at
the
courthouse
representing
me.
V
It's
kind
of
ironic
Tom
Carr
left
shortly
after
they
addressed
my
motion
for
summary
judgment.
Many
of
these
officers
sitting
here
are
very
familiar
with
me.
They
all
know
me
by
first
name
basis.
I
was
tackled
out
front,
the
muni
building
and
on
my
50th
birthday
of
2018
and
chemically
sedated
at
the
suggestion
of
their
former
officer,
Kevin
marples
who's.
Also
the
city
of
Boulder's,
I.T,
representative
Miss
Tate.
You
overstepped
your
boundaries
when
you
silenced
my
silent
moment
and
I
felt
so
offended
by
it.
AC
Good
evening
higher
and
higher
in
the
widening
gyre,
the
falcon
can
no
longer
hear
the
falconer.
AC
These
words
from
the
William
Butler
Yates
prophetic
poem,
The,
Second,
Coming,
perfectly
presage
Our
Moment
In
Time,
as
pertains
to
the
advances.
If
one
could
use
that
term
in
the
Technologies
of
mass
destruction,
the
Advent
of
SuperSonic
delivery
of
missiles,
the
Advent
of
Battlefield
nukes
that
can
be
shot
from
shoulder
harnessed.
AC
AC
Both
both
indicate
that
we're
at
a
point
in
which
there
is
no
real
control
once
a
conflict
uses
one
of
these
weapons,
whether
it
be
a
hydrogen
bomb
that
is,
that
is
supersonically
delivered
within
seconds
around
the
globe
and
and
the
retaliatory
responses
and
the
time
necessary
to
respond
or
the
advents
that
hangs
over
our
head.
Quite
clearly.
At
the
moment
of
using
a
battlefield
nuclear
weapon.
B
The
conflict
your
time
is
up,
but
thank
you
for
your
testimony
and
folks
with
the
sign.
I,
really
appreciate
your
passion
on
this
issue.
If
you
could
stand
in
such
a
way,
so
that
folks
view
is
not
obstructed
while
holding
the
sign,
maybe
on
the
side,
we'd
appreciate,
so
everyone
has
an
equal
chance
to
participate
in
the
meeting
here
tonight.
AD
Good
evening
Daniel
Berg
1805
33rd
Street
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Boulder
Police
Officers
Association.
The
bpoa
represents
the
Swarm
members
of
the
Boulder
Police
Department.
Our
members
are
city
employees,
whose
actions
may
be
reviewed
by
the
police
oversight.
Panel
I
would
like
to
recognize
other
members
of
the
BPO
who
have
come
here
tonight
on
our
own
time
in
support
of
our
Collective
position
regarding
the
recent
police
oversight.
Panel
selection
subcommittees
blatant
non-compliance
with
BRC
2116.
AD
AD
The
members
of
the
Boulder
Police
Officers
Association,
requests
that
Council
remove
item
3A
from
the
consent
agenda
and
insist
and
can
insist
that
the
selection
subcommittee
comply
with
your
previous
Direction,
given
in
the
December
15th
Council
session,
to
ensure
full
compliance
with
BRC
2116..
Thank
you
very
much.
O
O
Boulder
seemingly
did
the
right
thing
in
2019,
however,
since
that
day
the
city
has
consistently
subverted
the
process,
constraining
oversight,
panelists
minimizing
the
mission
of
police
accountability,
providing
an
ordinance
that
conveniently
lacked
an
appeals
process,
providing
legal
advice
from
City
attorneys
pledged
to
defend
the
police
Union
and
its
officers
appointing
and,
lastly,
appointing
a
police
monitor
who
never
once
met
with
City
with
Community
groups.
In
two
years,
City
staff
and
city
council
showed
a
contempt
for
Community
input
in
decision
making
by
questioning
oversight.
O
Panel
selection
members
on
their
choice
of
panelists
walking
a
thin
ethical
line
with
the
city's
own
ordinance,
stating
that
the
panel
selection
deliberations
are
confidential.
The
packet
produced
to
us
of
negative
comments
against
a
selected
panelist
revealed
a
naked
bias
against
police
oversight
in
general
respect
our
input
in
the
decision-making
process.
Let
police
oversight
do
the
job
of
ensuring
accountability
of
misconduct
excessive
force
and
by
directing
the
monitor
to
investigate
better
methods
for
policing
in
our
community.
Asking
for
Community
feedback
is
an
empty
gesture
when
that
feedback
is
not
incorporated
into
policy.
O
AE
Good
evening,
Christian
Kerr
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
police
oversight
panel.
The
real
reason
I'm
here
is
because
I
care
about
this
community
I
care
about
Law
and
Order
I
care
about
good
government
and
I
care
about
police
accountability.
AE
We
have
a
good
police
force
and
we
have
an
active
and
engaged
citizenry.
Both
are
required
to
promote
positive
outcomes
for
the
most
vulnerable
Among
Us.
Now
onto
the
selection
committee,
the
language
of
your
ordinance
is
Crystal
Clear
under
ordinance,
8430
section
one
members
of
the
police
panel
shall
demonstrate
an
absence
of
any
real
or
perceived
biased,
Prejudice
or
conflict
of
interest.
There
are
at
least
two
candidates
for
the
pop
who
support
abolishing
and
defunding
the
police,
and
both
candidates
frequently
use
incendiary
anti-police
language
on
their
social
media
accounts.
AE
AE
People
are
starting
to
pay
attention
and
people
are
paying
attention
because
they
don't
trust
you
anymore,
because
some
of
you
do
things
like
install
cronies
with
suspect,
Notions
about
abolishing
or
antagonizing.
The
police
will
somehow
create
a
better
social
justice
environment,
while
political
activists
absolutely
absolutely
do
have
a
vital
role
in
society
and
I
have
no
ill
will
toward
either
of
the
proposed
panelists
as
individuals.
An
activism
that
is
incendiary
and
antagonistic
in
a
body
that
is
created
to
provide
oversight
and
accountability
will
yield
acrimony
and
Discord.
Please
do
not
seat
panelists.
B
O
B
Testimony
Darren
O'connor.
AF
Good
evening,
Council
Darren
O'connor
I'm
here
to
speak
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
NAACP
regarding
the
selection
of
new
police
oversight
panel
members,
which
was
supposed
to
be
done
in
December,
but
your
failure
to
vote
on
the
candidates
put
forward
tonight
will
likely
halt
the
actions
of
the
pup
due
to
a
lack
of
Quorum.
This
cannot
be
Council,
requested
information
from
the
selection
panel
about
their
deliberations
and
sent
numerous
Communications
from
Community
member
members,
probably
like
Mr
care,
including
from
people
who
are
against
even
the
existence
of
the
police
oversight
panel.
AF
You
did
so
ostensibly
to
weed
out
bias,
but
the
very
Communications
shared
were
full
of
bias
for
the
police.
The
selection
panel's
deliberations
are
confidential
and
you
violated
BRC,
section
2-11-685
when
you
instructed
the
selection
panel
to
provide
you
with
explanations
about
their
efforts.
In
writing.
AF
Council
took
the
matter
seriously
then
agreeing
to
implement
Community
oversight
of
the
police,
a
task
force
that
wrote
the
ordinance
was
largely
made
up
of
community
members
and
a
police
union
representative
and
a
BPD
officer
got
to
attend.
Those
deaths
were
made
task
force
meetings,
but
they
did
not
get
to
vote.
AF
The
union
should
not
get
a
say
in
this,
but
now
even
our
Deputy
Chief
and
our
chief
of
police
are
apparently
attempting
to
interfere
with
the
independence
of
the
pop
with
Chief
Harold
recently
quoted
stating
the
panel's
role
is
not
to
look
at
policing
in
a
systemic
way.
Chief
Herald
should
also
read
the
ordinance
section
2-117e,
which
is
directly
countered
to
her
statement,
and
tonight
you
should
vote
Yes
and
all
the
count
all
of
the
candidates
recommended
to
you.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Darren
all
right,
we're
going
to
go
to
our
remote
speakers
now
and
I'll.
Just
note
that
there
is
one
call
in
person
that
we've
not
been
able
to
validate
their
name.
If
you
can
dial
Star
9,
if
you're
a
call
in
person
to
verify
that
you
are
actually
registered
and
we'll
get
to
you
at
the
end
of
the
list,
so
our
first
three
virtual
panelists
are
our
speakers
are
Hannah
Lowe,
Emily,
Reynolds
and
Michael
Parrish.
AG
Hello:
everyone,
my
name,
is
Hannah
Lau
I
am
a
public
health.
Nurse
I've
been
a
nurse
since
2015
and
I've
worked
in
a
variety
of
settings,
including
geriatric
Primary,
Care,
Hospice
and
maternal
and
child
home
visitation,
also
in
school
health.
So
I
come
to
this
with
the
public
health
orientation
and
a
harm
reduction
orientation,
and
also
I
am
just
a
huge
proponent
of
libraries.
I
actually
come
from
two
generations
of
librarians.
AG
Above
me,
my
great-grandfather
and
my
grandmother
were
Librarians
and
I
really
truly
believe
that
libraries
are
one
of
the
greatest
assets
of
organized
modern
society,
so
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
everything
related
to
libraries
and
as
such,
I
really
believe
that
one
of
the
core
purposes
of
libraries
is
to
provide
a
resource
to
all
members
of
our
community
to
our
homeless,
neighbors
to
people
from
all
generations.
Children,
Elders,
disabled
people
and
so
I
was
very
concerned
to
learn
that
the
Boulder
Public
Library
is
has
no
publicly
accessible
bathrooms.
AG
Different
types
of
issues
need
access
to
the
bathrooms
in
order
to
be
safe
and
be
comfortable
and
have
good
quality
of
life,
and
so
I
was
quite
shocked
to
learn
that
the
Boulder
Public
Library
spent
125
thousand
dollars
on
remediation
of
the
meth
issue
without
actually
providing
access
to
the
bathroom.
So
I'm
concerned
that
the
Boulder
Public
Library
is
non-compliant
with
Americans,
with
Disabilities
Act
law
and
I.
Really
don't
want
to
be
the
kind
of
person
that
would
threatened
the
Boulder
Public
Library,
with
with
an
ADA.
AG
B
You
for
your
testimony
Okay!
So
next
we
have
Emily
Reynolds,
Michael,
Parish
and
Patrick
O'rourke.
AH
Thank
you,
Emily
Reynolds
good
evening.
Council.
Evidence
of
bias
against
law
enforcement
is
everywhere
with
two
candidates
for
the
police
oversight
panel,
Lisa,
Sweeney,
Moran
and
samjang.
How
could
it
possibly
be?
The
two
candidates
with
obvious
freely
stated
prejudices
against
law
enforcement
are
being
considered
for
this
panel.
How
about
people
with
objectivity
and
common
sense
I
thought
the
panel
was
supposed
to
be
free
of
bias.
Really.
Why
would
you
deliberately
put
cop
haters
on
the
oversight
panel,
except
for
the
obvious
bias
of
the
selection
committee?
AH
AH
Pretend
Progressive,
if
you
prefer
an
ineffective
police
force
and
lawlessness
vote
the
panel
in,
if
you
prefer
a
more
nuanced
neutral
approach,
start
over
and
don't
let
the
local,
NAACP
and
ACLU
make
the
decision
for
you
I'm,
not
in
favor,
of
abolishing
the
police
in
Boulder,
lessening
their
funds
or
otherwise
limiting
their
effectiveness
I'm
not
in
favor
of
appointing
a
board-hopping.
Pretend
Progressive
to
yet
another
board
and
position
of
influence
within
city
government
I
am
not
in
favor
of
the
NAACP
or
the
ACLU
having
having
any
direct
input
whatsoever
on
City
business
and
appointments.
AH
AI
S
AI
The
two
folks
who
have
been
kind
of
dragged
through
the
dirt
here,
the
selection
committee,
the
NAACP
Armistead.
All
of
these
groups
that
are
supposed
to
make
this
selection
have
reaffirmed
their
choices.
They've
reaffirmed
them
again
at
the
requested,
Council
and
all
of
the
requirements
for
the
parents
have
found
to
be
met.
AI
I
would
say
that
trying
to
find
people
without
bias
in
any
way
in
terms
of
policing.
You
will
find
quite
a
few
folks
who
are
very
pro-police
in
that
regard,
and
so
the
idea
of
finding
folks
without
bias
seems
a
bit
silly
to
me.
AI
I,
just
also
want
to
reiterate
that
the
police
oversight
panel
should
be
treated
with
the
respect
and
that
their
decisions
and
selections
are
independent.
City
council
should
move
forward
so
that
they
don't
lack
a
quorum
and
continue
to
do
the
good
work
that
they
were
assigned
to
do
and
that's
all
I've
got
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Michael,
hey.
D
Dude
I
thought
I
already
good
evening:
I'm
Patrick
O'rourke
vice
president
and
preservation,
chair
for
historic
Boulder,
historic
Boulder
is
celebrating
our
50th
anniversary
of
educating,
navigating
and
protecting
folders
built
past.
Since
1972
historic
Boulder
has
been
at
the
voice
of
advocacy
for
historic
properties
throughout
our
city.
D
Imagine
Boulder
without
the
Pearl
District
or
the
Pearl
Street
Mall,
the
Mapleton
historic
district,
the
Boulderado
hotel,
the
Highland
club
or
even
the
Boulder
Theater.
These
are
just
to
name
a
few
of
the
projects
that
we've
been
very
active
in,
so
what
I'm,
inviting
all
the
city,
council,
members
and
members
of
our
community
to
our
event
on
February
10th
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
there
February
8th
through
the
10th
Boulder,
is
also
hosting
the
Colorado
preservation
inks
conference
on
saving
places.
D
It's
the
first
time
in
25
years
that
Colorado
preservation
has
selected
Boulder
to
to
hold
these
conferences
and
I'm,
hoping
you
might
have
a
moment
or
two
to
visit
us
I
wanted
to
take
a
minute
to
note
a
couple
of
our
open
projects
that
we
have
going
on
right
now,
we're
very
active
in
the
Boulder
Theater
facade
and
we've
just
been
approved.
A
grant
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
getting
that
project.
Finished
I'm,
hoping
you're
familiar
with
the
nine
mile
markers
over
on
287
in
Arapahoe.
D
A
project
was
built
there
and
it's
in
Jeopardy
of
getting
into
Jeopardy
and
the
last
one
and
I'm
out
of
time
is
the
Tommy
Jones
stage
called
stop,
which
is
in
Boulder
County
and
that's
a
project.
That
is
what
we
called
demolishment
by
neglect.
Anyhow,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
we're
hoping
to
see
you
at
our
historic,
Boulder
Kayla.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
T
Listen
I
apologize,
I
think
you
may
have
just
said
it
at
the
end
Patrick.
What
is
the
event
on
the
10th
can?
Where.
D
From
oh,
it's
got
the
boulder
Auto
Hotel,
it's
the
50th
anniversary
gala
for
historic
Boulder.
Thank.
AL
Hello,
Council,
Eric,
Budd
I,
live
in
Boulder.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I
am
asking
Council
to
approve
the
applicants
to
the
police
oversight
panel
tonight.
You've
asked
the
selection
committee
to
give
you
their
recommendations
and
they
did
they
reaffirmed
those
selections.
On
two
occasions
now.
Over
the
past
month,
we've
reached
the
point
at
which
the
council
must
vote.
AL
The
charter
of
the
police
oversight
panel
requires
you
to
seat
the
pub
tonight.
The
charter
requires
the
pop
has
a
quorum
and
doing
anything
other
than
voting
to
approve
the
pop
selection
committee's
selections
and
allowing
the
pop
to
move
forward
with
its
work
is
an
abdication
of
your
duties
and
a
failure
of
council
to
perform
its
legal
work.
AL
Private
citizens
and
groups
cannot
stop
the
work
of
counsel.
This
is
your
duty.
If
you
do
not
make
these
selections
tonight,
this
process
could
drag
out
for
months
or
a
year.
The
council
has
the
legal
obligation
from
ordinance
8430,
which
reads
a
motion
to
approve
the
proposed
candidates
shall
be
placed
on
the
council's
consent.
Agenda
Council
will
approve
or
reject
the
appointments
by
majority
vote.
AL
B
AM
Hello,
my
name
is
Doug
Hamilton.
Thank
you,
Council
for
letting
me
speak.
First
I
read
the
reporting
about
the
police
oversight
panel
selection
and
it's
important
to
me
that
the
city
council
follows
the
guidance
of
the
groups.
It's
selected
to
appoint
panelists
for
that
panel.
They
are
both
great
candidates.
Don't
let
yourselves
be
intimidated
by
a
few
people
with
extreme
views
and
don't
let
and
don't
be
intimidated
to
let
the
police
hand
pick
their
their
oversight.
Members.
Let's
not
forget
why
this
panel
was
formed.
AM
It's
a
gift,
but
the
city
can
benefit
from
the
guidance
of
members
of
the
NAACP
and
Amistad
groups
who
represent
folks
in
our
communities
that
you
probably
rarely
hear
from
in
emails
and
at
this
Podium,
please
think
carefully
about
who
isn't
represented
here
week
in
and
week
out
it.
It's
exactly
why
you
appointed
groups
who
represent
folks
most
directly
impacted
to
advise
on
who
should
be
on
this
panel,
and
the
second
issue
I
want
to
talk
about.
AM
Is
it's
my
understanding
that
there's
a
city
Department
tasked
with
cleaning
up
the
garbage
in
public
spaces,
with
the
garbage
piling
up
at
the
Bandshell
I
have
I?
Have
to
ask
where
these
workers
are
and
why
they
plan
what
the
plan
is
for
addressing
that
space.
This
can't
this
work
can't
be
done
by
volunteer
Aid
organizations.
AJ
Hi
good
evening,
Council
Shalom
malayham,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
a
nuclear
weapons
ban
is
warranted.
We
have
the
very
definition
of
a
nuclear
disaster
sitting
right
in
our
backyard.
Rocky
Flats
sits
on
the
boundary
of
Boulder
and
Jefferson
counties,
so
Chief
Oliver
and
director
chard.
This
message
is
also
for
you.
If
Boulder
residents
are
allowed
onto
the
rocky
flats
wildlife
refuge,
who
will
prevent
them
from
taking
contaminant
from
contaminating
their
own
homes
as
a
result
of
their
visit,
taking
gravel
or
rocks
off
of
the
Wildlife
Refuge
site?
No
one,
why?
AJ
No
one,
because
HB
1389
was
blocked
by
the
rocky
thoughts
Stewardship
Council
at
the
very
Inception
of
that
organization.
In
the
summer
of
2006.,
this
council
is
consistent
only
in
putting
our
counties
at
risk.
It
is
possible
I,
think
probable,
that
the
Marshall
fire
was
the
result
of
the
automatic
combustion
of
recently
Unearthed
contaminants
going
sub-critical
off-site
in
the
Chinook
wind,
these
United
into
an
inferno
the
previously
contaminated
soil
and
sediment
around
Marshall,
Lake
and
Marshall
landfill,
which
has
been
there
for
from
decades
past.
AJ
The
EPA
has
acknowledged
the
existence
of
a
hot
spot
at
Marshall,
Lake
and
Marshall
landfill
at
part.
Pardon
me
this
was
a
reportable
condition
until
long
after
the
fire
I,
don't
know
why
this
was
not
accounted
for.
In
the
learning
analysis,
the
county
line
is
an
object
of
administrative
confusion.
This
is
why
the
empty
seat
at
the
director's
table
of
the
Rocky
Flats
Stewardship
Council
requires
a
nuanced
and
strategic
approach.
Thank
you.
All.
W
Hello,
my
name
is
William
McGrew
and
I
am
speaking
in
favor,
of
approving
the
selections
for
the
police
oversight
panel
and
I.
Don't
have
too
much
more
to
add
some
from
what
everyone
else
has
said.
The
panel
has
been
affirmed,
it's
been
affirmed
again
and
approving
the
the
panel
is
simply
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
I
trust
and
hope
that
city
council
will
move
forward
and
approve
the
panel
so
that
they
can
get
to
the
really
crucial
and
important
work
of
overseeing
the
police.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
AN
Very
good
glad
to
hear
that
my
name
is
Jennifer
Rhodes
I'm
part
of
a
parent
group
advocating
for
safe
zones
around
schools.
There
are
major
safety
concerns
in
the
city
of
Boulder,
requiring
good
policing,
not
less
police
presence,
assault
theft,
vandalism,
meth
and
libraries
and
public
bathrooms,
and
a
near-child
death
related
to
that
child
being
given
drugs
on
the
street
near
her
school
there's
a
known
relationship
between
addiction
and
violence,
violence
will
rise
as
the
meth
crisis
continues.
AN
Parents
feel
that
the
city
is
not
doing
enough
to
protect
our
kids,
having
a
police
oversight
panel
filled
with
police
antagonists
and
abolitionists
not
only
is
in
direct
violation
of
your
ordinance,
but
will
further
provoke
and
agitate
the
parents
of
this
community.
We
are
in
favor
of
a
thoughtful
police
reform
and
want
an
oversight
panel,
but
placing
members
on
this
panel
who
have
strong
negative
bias
towards
the
police
and
conflicts
of
interest
will
not
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
panel's
mission.
AN
If
you
value
the
opinions
of
far-left
activists
over
the
opinion
of
an
experienced
chief
of
police,
you
send
a
clear
message
that
pacifying
activists
is
more
important
than
actually
living
up
to
the
agreed
membership
standards
of
the
panel.
If
you
insist
on
having
Sweeney,
Moran
and
Zhang,
you
should
also
include
current
and
former
police
officers
on
the
panel
to
provide
a
balanced
View
under
the
ordinance
council
is
responsible
for
approving.
The
panel
is
presented
to
You
by
The
Selection
committee.
AN
If
you
abstain,
because
you're
friends
with
a
candidate
or
you
don't
believe,
Council
should
be
voting
on
this
for
Independence
reasons,
you're
failing
us
as
an
elected
official
and
not
adhering
to
the
laws
that
govern
the
formation
of
this
panel.
This
is
your
job
vote.
Go
on
the
record
for
having
an
opinion,
because
you
represent
this
city
and
we
want
to
know
where
you
stand.
AN
Our
group
filed
a
formal
complaint
today
with
the
city
in
response
to
the
violation
of
ordinance
8430
by
the
city,
so
section
2116
of
that
law
establishes
mandatory
minimum
qualifications
for
panel
membership.
The
committee
disregarded
legal
requirements
and
has
violated
its
legal
and
ethical
responsibilities
to
serve
the
public
interest.
Foster
Public
trust,
protect
the
Integrity
of
the
city
government
and
conduct
themselves
with
the
highest
ethical
standards.
We've
lost
faith
in
your
capacity
to
act
reasonably.
Please
change
our
minds.
Thank.
B
AO
Hello
Council,
thank
you
for
your
work,
I
Echo.
What
others
are
saying
about
the
police
oversight
panel?
That
there
are
at
least
two
people
on
this
panel
who
absolutely
have
shown
bias
they've
proven
their
bias
against
the
police
they're
very
anti-police.
They
don't
they're
not
going
to
contribute
in
a
meaningful,
neutral
way
to
progress.
Our
city
forward
I'm,
worried
about
the
state
of
our
Police
Department.
To
begin
with,
we've
lost
officers
we're
gaining
so
few.
In
return.
AO
We
have.
We
have
more
cops
doing
overtime
even
mandatory
over
time,
just
to
cover
their
bases.
They
deal
with
unsafe
conditions
every
single
day.
There
are
constant
threatened.
They
deal
with
so
so
much.
We
have
an
excellent
excellent
Police
Department.
We
cannot
lose
more,
we
need
to
support
them
and
yes,
of
course,
we
need
accountability
when
something
goes
awry.
Absolutely
we
need
that
and
and
I
don't
know
anyone
who
doesn't
agree
with
that
I'm
one.
My
son
is
going
to
be
at
Boulder
high
school
next
year.
I
talked
to
so
many
parents.
AO
We
want
more
patrol
around
the
school,
it's
absolutely
ludicrous
the
kinds
of
interactions
some
of
these
kids
are
having
with
folks
offering
drugs
trying
to
sell
drugs
to
them
outside
the
school.
This
kinds
of
stuff
that
go
on
shouldn't
the
police
department,
they're
so
stretched.
Then
they
can't
help
us
by
patrolling
more
they're
all
over
the
place
with
so
few
of
them.
AO
We
need,
if
we're
going
to
have
oversight,
it
needs
to
be
neutral,
balanced
and
you
know
and
again
I
don't
know
anyone
who
doesn't
want
accountability,
but
let's
support
our
police
department
and
recruit
more
talent
to
our
Force.
Thank
you.
B
P
Cindy,
a
very
passionate
Community
it
I
did
want
to
clarify
something.
There
was
a
virtual
caller
who
wondered
if
we
had
88
access
in
the
libraries
and
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
we
have
taken
the
reasonable
steps
we
are
providing
ADA
accommodations
so
that
we
can.
We
can
comply
with
the
law
but
appreciate
folks
being
thoughtful
and
concerned
about
it.
P
AK
Council
I
I
wanted
to
update
you
on
the
Rodriguez
litigation,
just
very
briefly,
to
be
clear,
I'm
Council
of
record,
not
a
party
to
the
action.
If
I
were
a
party
to
the
action,
I
could
not
represent
the
city,
so
I
am
Council
of
record.
AK
The
status
of
the
case
is
that
the
city
and
and
all
officers
were
dismissed
from
the
case.
On
summary
judgment
that
happened
quite
some
time
ago.
There
is
ongoing
conversation
about
between
Mr
Rodriguez.
This
is
all
public
record
between
Miss
Rodriguez
and
the
federal
court
about
naming
unknown
paramedic
defendants.
The
court
has
granted
leave
for
that
to
happen.
I
believe
the
date
for
that
to
happen
has
come
and
gone,
but
the
city
is
no
longer
involved
in
this.
In
this
litigation.
M
P
H
Thank
you,
I
just
have
a
either
question
for
you
mayor
or
for
or
CD
attorney.
My
understanding
is
that
we
cannot
sign
on
to
any
type
of
international
issues,
such
as
the
conversation
about
the
treaties.
I
know
that
I've
received
some
of
these
emails
as
well,
so
I
just
wanted
some
you
to
clarify
or
I.
B
AK
The
council
shall
not
act
on
a
foreign
policy
or
national
policy
issue
on
which
no
prior
official
City
policy
has
been
established
by
the
council
or
the
people
and
less
efficient
time
and
resources
can
be
allocated
to
assure
a
full
presentation
of
the
issue.
It
did
come
to
my
attention
after
the
last
time.
This
issue
was
raised
that
Boulder
some
years
ago
did
address
nuclear
threats,
and
so
it
certainly
I
think
would
be
possible
for
staff
to
do
some,
some
legislative
history,
research
and
and
revive
some
of
that.
B
T
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
follow-up
on
that
point.
I
think
we're
having
a
legislative
policy
discussion
and
I
don't
know
if
that
is
anything
that
could
kind
of
come
up
in
the
context
of
that
discussion,
as
it
relates
to
federal
policy,
just
a
thought
of
something
that
we
may
be
able
to
think
about.
Then.
B
E
AK
Good
evening
Council,
if,
if
I
may,
someone
alluded
to
this,
but
we
did
receive
today
a
code
of
conduct
complaint
with
his,
which
is
authorized
under
chapter
2,
Dash
11
of
the
boulder
Revised
Code.
That
complaint
is
by
an
individual,
not
a
group.
AK
It
is
signed
on
behalf
of
an
individual,
as
would
be
required
by
the
code
that
that
complaint
meets
the
meets
the
surface
requirements
for
launching
an
official
process,
and
so
I
I
introduced
this
information
to
you,
because
it
it
Bears
on
consent,
consent,
agenda
item,
3A
pertaining
to
the
appointment
of
police
oversight.
Panel
members,
specifically,
this
code
of
conduct
complaint
alleges
that
the
selection
committee
violated
the
code
of
conduct
in
its
actions
in
reviewing
candidates
and
and
in
putting
forward
a
slate
of
candidates.
AK
There
is
a
formal
process
to
move
forward
with
that
that
process,
because
this
is
a
a
complaint
by
a
resident.
That
process
then,
would
be
for
the
city
council
to
take
the
official
action
to
refer
that
matter,
for
investigation
to
the
City
attorney
or
to
outside
special
counsel,
under
a
certain
set
of
circumstances.
AK
That
referral
is
not
before
you
tonight,
however.
I
would
recommend
that
in
the
in
the
interest
of
expediency
that
Council
consider
turning
the
beginning
of
next
week's
study
session
into
a
special
meeting,
so
that
council
could
take
official
action
to
designate
that
that
appointment
and
and
direct
direct
the
fact
that
the
investigation
is
to
occur.
AK
I
say
all
of
that,
because
certainly
a
pending
complaint
is
something
that
you
should
know
about
and
have
in
mind
as
you
consider
whether
to
move
forward
with
the
appointment
of
candidates
this
evening
or
whether
you
would
prefer
to
wait
for
a
determination.
H
H
AK
Thank
you,
council,
member
Joseph,
I
I,
understand
your
question
now.
So
the
code
of
conduct
complaint.
AK
AK
In
the
code
of
conduct
complaint
the
council
is
under.
Our
code
is
not
invited
to
weigh
in
rather
they
they
shall
direct
the
City
attorney
or
special
counsel
to
conduct
an
investigation.
That
then
has
some
specific
parameters
and
requirements
with
respect
to
what
is
what
is
produced
as
because
of
that
investigation,
and
that
would
all
be
public.
The
the
report
coming
out
of
that.
B
I've
got
a
couple
questions
for
you
Teresa
the
first
one
said
I,
don't
think
I've
been
through
this
process
before
at
least
not
recently.
So
could
you
give
us
a
quick
overview
of
the
steps
that
would
be
involved
in
this
investigation,
this
complete
and
a
rough
time
frame
under
which
that
would
take
place.
AK
Absolutely
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
mayor
and
members
of
council,
so
I'm,
looking
at
Title
II,
chapter
7.
and
in
particular
I'm
looking
at
section
10.,
which
governs
enforcement.
That
tells
us
that
complaints
can
be
initiated
and
and
here
I'm
I'm
gonna,
rather
than
going
through
some
sort
of
the
process
that
are
not
relevant.
AK
I'm
going
to
limit
the
discussion
to
what
pertains
to
this
particular
complaint,
so
they
can
be
initiated
by
a
resident
that
is
accomplished
by
filing
a
sworn
statement
with
the
city
clerk
setting
forth
the
facts
which,
if
true,
would
constitute
a
violation
of
a
provision
of
the
code
of
conduct
chapter
that
complaint
has
been
received.
There
was
a
sworn
statement.
AK
So,
in
all
cases,
except
a
complaint
by
a
city
employee,
the
city
council
shall
request
a
City
attorney
to
conduct
an
investigation
regarding
a
violation
of
this
chapter.
It
goes
on
to
tell
us
that,
in
certain
circumstances,
the
council,
the
City
attorney,
could
request
a
special
counsel
appointment.
AK
The
the
complete
the
the
investigation,
then,
is
to
be
conducted.
There
is
not
a
procedure
laid
out
in
our
code
for
that
investigation,
and
certainly
you
could
understand
that
that's
a
fact
by
a
case-by-case
basis
right,
but
so
an
investigation
that
that
would
shed
light
on
whether
the
the
facts
asserted
are
true
and
if
they
are
true
does
that
constitute
a
violation
of
the
code
of
conduct,
a
resulting
written
finding
of
fact
and
conclusion
of
law
is
required
and
it's
required
that
that
be
public
upon
its
completion.
AK
As
to
timeline,
it's
a
little
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
say,
because
each
investigation
is
unique.
The
first
step
would
be
for
Council
to
take
that
formal
action
of
of
ordering.
That's
not
quite
the
right
word,
but
the
the
investigation
you
know,
depending
on
how
in-depth
such
an
investigation
is,
it
could
be
accomplished
in
a
number
of
weeks.
AK
In
my
opinion,
based
on
a
very
cursory
assessment
of
this
I
would
expect
that
this
investigation
could
be
concluded
in
a
number
of
weeks,
if
perhaps
within
a
month,.
B
Yes,
so
that
that's
helpful
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
how
that
would
work
and
then
so
Teresa.
This
is
a.
This
is
last
minute
information
for
us,
a
complicated
situation,
hard
to
know
how
to
proceed
as
as
the
City
attorney.
What
would
be
your
recommendation
with
the
facts
in
front
of
us
tonight
on
a
next
step
to
take.
AK
AK
You
know
it's
it's
important
for
us
to
know
that
this
is
all.
At
this
point
all
we've
got
is
we've
received
a
complaint.
We
don't
have
there's
absolutely
no
determination
of
of
what
the
results
of
that
complaint
or
investigation
might
be.
AK
B
Questions
got
Nicole.
T
Yeah
I
just
had
a
question
about
next
steps,
so
how
if
a
violation
is
found
to
have
Merit,
how
does
it
impact?
What
happens
so,
let's
say
we
vote
tonight.
The
panelists
are
appointed,
they
start
meeting
and
then
a
violation
is
found.
What
happens.
AK
Yeah
I
certainly
understand
that
the
question
council,
member,
Spear
and
I
believe
that
the
answer
depends
a
lot
on
what
is
found
right.
What's,
but
what
specifically
is
found-
and
so
it's
it's
very
hard
for
me
to
speculate
about
the
the
wide
breadth
of
possibilities
that
could
be
involved
right
from
discovering
a
fact
that
has
has
no
direct
impact
well,
first
of
all
to
First
discovering
that,
indeed,
there's
no
violation
at
all
whatsoever.
Right.
AK
If
there's
a
violation,
it
could
be
that
it.
It
doesn't,
have
a
particular
impact
on
the
recommendation
or
it
could
have
a
really
significant
impact
on
the
recommendation
and
and
could
go
so
far
as
to
reveal
evidence
that
the
recommendations
are
somehow
legally
flawed
at
heart
again
hard
to
speculate
at
this
point
about
without
without
we're
simply
too
early
in
the
process.
G
AK
AK
AK
The
requirement
that
that
the
candidate
not
have
any
real
or
perceived
bias,
Prejudice
or
conflict
of
interest,
and
that
also
by
not
meeting
the
criteria
that
the
candidate
has
the
ability
to
build
working
relationships
and
communicate
effectively
with
diverse
groups.
G
Thank
you
that's
helpful
context,
and
then
you
said
that
the
way
we'll
kick
this
off
is
we
city
council
would
need
to
order
an
investigation
or
that
we
could
order
an
investigation.
Are
there
other
options?
What
if
we
just
don't
don't
order
that.
AK
AK
Sorry
about
that
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you.
The
code
requires
that
Council
shell,
it's
not
discretionary.
Okay,
thanks.
C
Thanks
Aaron
Teresa,
thank
you
for
walking
us
through
this,
as
it
is
delicate,
to
say
the
least.
My
question
kind
of
maybe
is
a
tangent
or
refinement
from
where
maybe
where
Nicole
was
touching
on
a
little
bit.
So
you
know
if
we
were
to
approve
the
candidates,
do
we
risk
the
work
of
the
oversight
panel?
C
Does
that
work
is
that
work
in
Jeopardy?
If
the
investigation
were
to
find
that
there
was
a
violation
in
that
period,
in
which
case
it
would
sort
of
nullify
or
or
undo
the
work
of
the
oversight
panel
in
that
time
frame
and
I'm
just
sort
of
I'm
concerned
I'm
just
worried
about
how
does
it
slide
us
backwards,
or
what
does
that
do?
In
that
intervening
time?.
C
B
T
And
I
think
this
is
sort
of
a
process
and
who's
available.
I
believe
we
have
a
member
of
the
selection
committee
here
tonight
and
I
am
just
wondering
if
they're
no
they're,
not
okay,
okay,
hi,
yeah
I
was
just
wondering
if,
if
there's
a
possibility
of.
AK
It
would
not
be
appropriate
for
this
Council
to
ask
questions
that
would
go
to
the
investigation
of
a
selection,
Committee
Member.
If
the
council
decides
to
deliberate
on
the
appointment
of
nominees.
Certainly
the
selection
committee
would
would
be
important
and
in
those
deliberations.
H
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
here,
such
as
Amy
Kane,
who
can
respond
to
where
what
is
going
on
with
the
panel
right
now?
Are
they
meeting
in
my
understanding
from
a
few
comments
that
were
made
earlier,
that
the
fact
that
this
process
has
taken
so
long
and
that's
taken
away
from
their
work
because
they're
missing
two
members.
AK
I
I'm
glad
that
you
raised
that
and
I
do
think
that
Amy
is
probably
available
online,
but
it
does
bring
to
mind
something
that
came
up
in
public
comment
that
I
wanted
to
address.
AK
Under
the
code,
it
is
permissible
for
police
oversight
panel
members,
whose
term
has
expired
to
remain
on
the
panel
until
their
replacement
is
appointed.
That
is
at
their
discretion
right.
Then
we
don't
force
people
to
serve,
but
they
could
serve,
and
so
that's
just
information
I
wanted
the
council
to
have.
AP
Sure,
thank
you
I'm
home
sick.
Thank
you,
Council
for
having
this
conversation,
so
I
won't
be
turning
on
my
camera
this
evening,
but
if.
AP
So
sorry,
my
name
is
Amy
Kane
I'm,
the
equity
officer
for
the
city
of
Boulder
and
I
help
lead
the
work
of
the
police
oversight
panel.
So
if
the
group
does
not
select
the
panelists
that
have
been
put
forth
before
Council
in
this
iteration,
we
will
we
will
not
be
able
to
meet
Quorum.
If
the
two
current
panelists,
who
are
going
off
the
panel
on
February
8th,
decide
that
they
don't
want
to
continue
on,
then
the
work
of
the
panel
will
be
stifled.
AP
AP
Do
have
a
co-chair
in
the
room
present
Daniel
Leonard,
if
it's
appropriate
for
him
to
also
answer.
He
might
have
a
better
perspective
on
the
viewpoints
of
those
two
panel
members.
AP
P
But
I
do
think
that
we
should
the
members
directly
as
to
what
they
would
wish
to
do
or
not
do
I
just
I
think
we
should
honor
their
own
individual
wishes.
B
Brockett
any
other
questions,
yeah
Nicole
question.
T
So
I
just
I
have
a
process
question
again
and
I'm
not
advocating
for
this
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
is
possible
to
go
candidate
by
candidate
for
the
Slate.
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
halting
the
work.
I'm
also
concerned
about
some
other
stuff
that
I'll
talk
to
later,
but
I'm
wondering
if
that's
a
possibility.
B
Well,
I
guess
I
might
I
might
say
from
a
process
for
a
sec.
What
I
was
going
to
say
after
questions
are
done,
you
know
is
to
say
so
we're
you
know
we're
at
the
on
the
consent
agenda
here.
Actually,
do
you
mind
if
I
just
pause,
I
just
heard?
Would
this
be
appropriate?
I
just
heard
that
one
of
the
potentially
continuing
members
is
present.
P
B
Are
we
allowed
to
check
in
I?
Well,
let's
come
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
that.
Thank
you
for
being
present
and
letting
us
know
about
that.
But
I
don't
want
to
put
people
on
the
spot.
So
what
I'd
suggest
is
you
know
we
need
to
determine
a
path
forward
here
for
for
3A
about
the
appointments
for
the
police
oversight
panel
and
that
that
path
forward
could
be.
You
know
a
discussion,
a
vote.
B
It
could
be
a
a
motion
to
continue
this
until
the
until
the
the
complaint
as
a
result
and
so
I,
I,
guess,
I
or
or
some
third
course
that
somebody
could
propose
and
so
I
guess.
It
would
be
helpful
to
me
to
understand
what
the
will
of
counsel
is
in
terms
of
next
steps
about
whether
we
are
going
to
a
vote
or
whether
we
want
it.
Someone
might
want
to
consider
the
postponement
as
as
Teresa
has
potentially
as
recommended
so
I
I.
T
Yeah
to
me
that
what
we
heard
about
the
nature
of
the
complainant
seems
to
be
focused
around
pretty
much
exactly
the
same
decision
that
we're
making
tonight
whether
we
believe
there
was
bias
in
the
process
or
the
place
oversight
panel
did
did
what
the
ordinance
States
so
I
would
prefer
to
move
forward
with
the
vote
tonight,
because
I
don't
really
see
much
of
a
difference
in
the
process
either
way.
F
If
the
investigation
into
the
code
of
conduct
complaint
did
find
an
infraction
of
some
kind,
would
that
likely
overturn
all
of
the
appointments?
Or
do
you
see
that
as
being
likely
to
be
restricted
to
just
a
couple
or
fewer.
AK
Council
member,
it
would
very
much
depend
on
on
the
findings
right.
If,
if
the
findings
were
the
criteria
wasn't
applied
with
respect
to
a
particular
applicant,
and
that
would
apply
to
that
applicant
if
it
were
to
find
that
the
criteria
was
not
applied
to
any
applicant.
That
would
that
would
seem
to
impact
the
entire
slate,
including
those
who
have
not
been
recommended,
and
if
the
and,
if
it
were
to
find
that
the
criteria
had
been
applied
equally
to
all
applicants,
then
it
would
have
no
effect.
AK
F
I
I
It's
just
a
question
of
when
we
get
to
it
and
it
seems
to
me
to
be
a
little
bit
counterproductive
to
move
forward
and
be
at
risk
of
having
our
decisions
overturned
as
long
with,
along
with
the
actions
of
the
selection
committee,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
not
going
to
have
that
vote
on
on
the
candidates
proposed.
It's
just
that.
It
seems
to
me
to
make
a
little
more
sense,
to
attempt
to
keep
a
quorum
in
place
and
and
be
a
little
more
cautious,
fun.
J
So
I
want
to
build
on
Mark's
good
suggestion
there
and
since
Theresa
just
recommended
that
we
have,
we
turned
the
study
session
next
week
into
a
special
meeting
and
do
as
sounds
like
we're
required
to
anyway,
and
that
is
direct
an
investigation
of
the
complaint.
J
Perhaps
we
could
continue
this
matter
for
one
week
because
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
special
meeting
on
this
anyway
that'll
give
Amy
or
whoever
is
going
to
make
the
request
an
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
those
two
oversight
panel
members
to
see
if
they
would
be
willing
to
continue
their
terms.
If
they
are,
then
it
would
seem
that
we
could
have
the
investigation
go
forward
and
hopefully
be
wrapped
up
in
the
time
frame
that
Teresa
suggested.
B
H
AK
I
I,
unfortunately,
I'm
afraid
that
this
news
was
as
last
minute
for
me
as
it
is
for
you
and
so
I
have
asked
my
office
to
conduct
some
research
about
history
here
and
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
yet
I,
don't
yet
I,
don't
even
know
the
history
of
that
I,
don't
know
I
the
people
that
I
consulted
with
who
have
been
in
my
office
a
long
time
are
not
aware
of
a
similar
complaint
against
sort
of
a
board
commission
task
force.
AK
G
I'm
just
going
to
share
some
pros
and
cons
that
I
see
I
think
that
a
big
con
to
not
moving
forward
tonight
is
that
you
know
this
has
already
been
such
a
a
bad
process
and
the
process
was
set
up
poorly,
which
is
why
most
of
you
and
apparently
some
public
speakers
are
aware
that
I
am
inclined
to
have
stayed
in
line
with
what
I
I
said
in
2020
about
this
being
so
this
process
being
so
potentially
Rife
with
politicization,
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
seeing
playing
out
so
I'm
I'm
disinclined
to
to
like
stall
this
and
delay
it
and
put
these
potential
panelists
and
the
current
panel
through
through
delays
and
more
kind
of
drama
around
this.
G
G
This
complaint
says
that
there's
evidence
of
bias,
I
guess
if
I'm
hearing
a
City
attorney
correctly
and
if
that's
not
substantiated,
then
it
makes
our
our
decision
a
lot
cleaner
and
this,
the
seated
oversight
panel,
can
can
move
forward
without
that
that
sort
of
Cloud
over
their
head.
So
just
sharing
those
thoughts.
B
Thanks
Rachel
I've
not
seen
other
any
other
hands,
so
I'll
call
on
myself,
actually
I
think
my
thought
is
similar
to
Rachel's
on
both
the
pros
and
the
cons
here.
I
was
ready
to
move
forward
and
get
this
done
tonight,
but
I
appreciate
Teresa's
advice
here,
because
I
would
hate
to
proceed
and
then
and
then
have
a
cloud
and
then
and
then
have
things
potentially
go
badly
in
the
future
and
to
Rachel's
Point.
B
Once
we
get
a
judgment
on
this
I
think
we
could
proceed
probably
free
and
clear,
with
these,
with
these
selections,
potentially
so
I'm
I'm,
reluctantly
willing
to
postpone
for
now,
but
with
the
intention
of
coming
back
soon
and
hearing
from
Theresa
that
the
time
frame
for
this
is
not
a
long
time
frame,
because
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
community,
the
the
panel
and
everyone
involved
to
get
this
done
before
too
much
longer,
but
but
I
I
would
probably
go
with
with
postponing
it
for
tonight
to
get
this
result.
C
Appreciate
the
thoughts
for
sure
this
is
not
easy
and
thank
you
Teresa
for
walking
us
through
this
again
sort
of
in
real
time
since
this
all
sort
of
fell
on
our
laps
right
before
we
ate
dinner.
You
know:
I'm
I,
think
that
there's
appropriateness
in
heeding
some
of
the
caution
from
Teresa
but
having
and
but
is
but
I
think
it's
important
to
think
about
having
that
opportunity
that
there
could
still
maintain
a
forum.
This
work
is
really
important
to
continue
to
do
and
so
I
think
for
me.
C
If
there's
an
opportunity
to
continue
the
work,
then
I
think
we
allow
that
opportunity
to
go
to
work
and
hopefully
the
the
current
folks
would
be
willing
to
do
that
for
a
relatively
finite
and
short
period
of
time.
Hopefully,
if
it's
somewhere
close
to
Teresa's,
guesstimate
I,
think
that's
a
reasonable
thing
and
then
we
can
address
this
sort
of
free
and
clear
I.
Think
you
know,
the
mayor's
assessment
is
is
a
is
a
poignant
and
thoughtful
one.
So
so
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that.
AK
Because
it's
my
night
to
be
the
bearer
of
bad
news
over
and
over
again,
there
is
a
question
about
this
Quorum
issue.
When
I
look
at
the
code.
AK
AK
AK
I
want
you
to
have
that
information
as
you're
thinking
about
whether
a
quorum
is
present
or
not,
I
think
it's
an
unanswered
question
as
of
tonight.
So.
B
B
AK
V
B
T
It
is
related
to
that
question.
When
we've
mentioned
the
current
members,
staying
on
I
have
seen
the
current
member
who
was
here
shaking
her
head
vigorously
now
so
I
I,
really
you
know,
I
I
would
really
like
us
to
just
make
a
decision
tonight.
T
M
Well,
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
wanted
to
push
back
the
date
in
December
to
now,
because
I
did
not.
We,
we
found
that
out.
What
was
that
two
days
before
and
I
really
take
this
panel
seriously
and
I
care
a
lot
about
it,
and
there
was
no
way
in
two
days
that
I
was
going
to
be
able
to
study
watch
all
the
interviews
learn
everything
about
the
ordinance.
There
was
no
way
so
I
studied
up
watched.
M
Every
interview
watched
every
alternate
interview,
watched
the
people
that
didn't
and
now
to
have
this
information
and
have
to
make
an
immediate
decision
for
me
when
this
is
so
important
is
not
what
I
would
want
to
do.
I
feel
like
we
have
to
put
a
lot
of
time
into
this.
These
are
people's
lives.
We're
talking
about,
and
so
I
would
like,
not
to.
As
far
as
what
Nicole
says
set
about
going
forward.
I
just
I,
don't
think
that
that's
a
good
idea
to
do.
M
I
I
don't
want
to
start
picking
and
choosing,
because
my
problem
with
the
with
the
with
the
was
more
with
the
process
and
the
structure
than
it
was
with
the
individual
people
and
what
does
bias
mean
and
all
those
other
things
I
think
those
are
super
important
before
we
make
these
important
decisions.
So
that's
why
I
say
that
we
should
wait.
B
Very
good
Rachel.
G
Just
wanted
to
share
out
to
Bob's
suggestion
one
of
the
panelists
who
is
coming
off
the
panel
did
text
and
said
that
they
will
not
be
staying
on
so
that
we
would
just
have
to
vote
again
next
week,
if,
if
her
or
if
they're
presence
was
required
for
for
a
quorum,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
out
and
also
to
remind
that.
We
expanded
this
panel
because
they
are
are
so
overloaded
with
cases.
So
even
if
they
technically
have
a
quorum,
they're
still
going
to
be
overloaded.
B
F
Yeah
I
think
I
feel
like
we've
already
in
some
ways,
expressed
a
lack
of
faith
in
the
oversight
committee
and
they've
been
put
through
more
rigmarole
in
this
last
round
of
delay
than
I
intended
and
I.
Think
then
they
signed
up
for
the
investigation
will
go
forward
either
way,
but
I'm
very
hesitant
to
put
the
police
oversight
panel
in
a
position
where
there
they
may
or
may
not
lack
have
a
quorum
and
especially
given
the
volume
of
work
and
the
importance
to
their
Community
to
the
community.
B
A
T
So
our
attorney
mentioned
that
this
is
unprecedented.
What
what
we're
about
to
do,
and
so
what
I
am
curious
about
is
how
does
this
affect
us
moving
forward
so
in
the
future?
If
we're
about
to
make
a
decision
and
we
get
a
complaint,
we
don't
know
whether
that
complaint
is
going
to
be
found
to
be
valid
or
not.
Will
we
hold
up
all
of
our
future
decisions
in
the
same
way
if
a
Community
member
puts
in
a
complaint.
B
As
maybe
I'll
just
call
on
myself
as
a
colloquy
I,
this
is
this
is
so
last
minute.
I
would
in
no
way
be
attempting
to
create
a
precedent.
This
is
a
unique
situation
in
my
opinion
and
would
not
in
so.
C
It
seems
like
I,
don't
know,
it
seems
like
some
of
the
goal
posts
kind
of
keep
moving
around
a
little
bit
because
it
seemed
like
we
were
focused
on
well
hey.
We
have
running
up
against
this
Quorum
issue
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
get
that
done
and
now
we're
hearing.
There
might
not
be
a
quorum
issue,
and
so
we
we
have
some
Grace
that
we
didn't
have
before
and
so
I'm
I'm
just
kind.
C
Like
we're
we're
sort
of
throttling
around
a
little
bit
and
and
I
guess,
if
that's
not
what
we're
running
up
against,
perhaps
like
is
it
worth,
knowing
that
we
are
or
are
not
running
up
against
that
Quorum
issue
for
the
function
we
were
so
because
at
least
it
seemed
like
a
lot
of
the
urgency
was
trying
to
maintain
function
of
this
group
and
if
it
can
function
even
if
it's
on
a
little
bit
limited
for
a
short
period
of
time
before
we
clear
all
this
up.
That's
a
worthwhile
thing
to
consider.
C
I
just
worry
that
if
there's
a
quorum,
it's
a
worthwhile
thing
to
know.
I
didn't
even
recognize
that
that
wasn't
even
an
issue
until
just
now
so
I
think
it's
just
we're
learning
stuff
right
now
on
the
fly.
So
it's
a
feel
weird
making
a
decision
as
the
Dynamics
and
the
info
and
the
variables
are
changing
as.
H
This
so
here
I
hear
my
thing:
I
hear
or
City
attorney,
and
we
hire
her
to
give
us
good
advice
and
she's.
Given
us
great
advice
and.
H
For
the
most
part,
I
do
defer
to
her
her
expertise,
but
my
issue
is:
if
we
were
I
in
My,
Views
I
would
prefer
that
we
move
forward
and
vote
because
again,
there
is
no
prior
precedence
and
I'm
worried
that
people
can
just
think.
Oh
yeah,
let
me
complain
and
I'll
just
halt
the
work
of
the
council,
but
not
only
that
if
we
were
to
postpone
this
vote-
and
let's
say
we
were
to
find
some
type
of
a
violation.
What
is
it
that
we
intend
to
do
with
the
members
of
this
panel?
H
Does
that
mean
all
of
them
are
gone?
I,
don't
know
what
would
they
have
to
resign
or
they
fired?
What
would
be
what
would
be
the
consequence
of
it?
Because
if
it's
just
retraining,
then,
if
or
it's
part
of
a
greater
conversation,
if
that's
what
the
only
thing
that
will
happen,
I
just
don't
know
what
is
the
hold
up
tonight.
J
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion:
I
know
that
other
people
want
to
jump
in
here,
and
you
can
comment
on
my
motion
after
I
make
it
how's
that
sound
so
I'm
hearing
some
of
my
colleagues
wanting
to
vote
tonight,
I'm
hearing
some
of
my
colleagues
wanting
to
wait
until
the
investigation
is
completed.
It
sounds
like
we
don't
know
definitively
whether
the
two
oversight
panel
members,
whose
term
otherwise
would
expire
in
about
three
weeks,
are
willing
to
serve
for
a
little
while
longer
we
don't
know
the
Quorum
there's
a
lot
of
things.
J
We
don't
know
tonight
because
it's
just
kind
of
hit
us.
So
my
motion
is
that
we
continue
item
3A
for
one
week
to
one
week
to
from
today
to
January
26th,
which
is
before
the
end
of
the
term
of
our
colleagues
on
the
oversight
panel.
That
will
give
Theresa
a
week
to
make
it
a
determination
with
respect
to
a
quorum.
J
It
will
give
Amy,
perhaps
some
time
to
visit
with
the
oversight
panel
members,
whose
term
to
end
if,
if
Teresa
thinks
that
that's
necessary,
this
hit
us
all
just
within
the
last
hour
or
two
and
I
I,
feel
the
pain
of
my
colleagues
that
this
is
a
bit
rushed.
But
I
also
appreciate
the
the
view
of
my
colleagues
that
this
has
gone
on
for
a
long
time.
In.
O
J
In
an
under
delay
is
probably
unfair
to
a
lot
of
people,
so
I
move
that
we
continue
item
3A
for
exactly
one
week.
We
need
to
have
a
special
meeting
a
week
from
now
as
I
understand
it
from
Theresa
anyway
to
direct
the
investigation.
So
we
could
take
that
special
meeting
and
perhaps
that
night
vote.
So
that's
my
motion.
I
B
Okay,
any
additional
comments
before
we
vote
on
the
motion
in
front
of
us
Rachel.
G
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
motion
just
because
I'm
aware
that
one
one
current
panel
members
not
willing
to
stay
on
so
I,
don't
think
we'll
be
anywhere
different
in
a
week
and
it'll
be
the
same
question
so
I
would
frankly,
rather
we
just
decide
today.
If
you
know,
if
we
want
to
wait
till
the
end
of
the
investigation,
then
that's
what
we
should
do.
If
we
don't,
then
we
should
vote
today.
Can.
I
I
call
a
queen
with
you
on
that
Rachel
I
I.
Think
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
delay
is
a
week
from
now
we
may
find
we
have
a
quorum
despite
the
resignation
of
two
people,
and
then
we
can
make
whatever
decision
we
think
best
and
if
they
don't
have
a
quorum,
then
obviously
we
can
move
forward
to
take
a
vote
because
it
will
be
necessary
to
do
so.
G
I
appreciate
that
we'll
just
tack
on
to
that
I
think
with
or
without
a
form,
I
guess
without
they're,
not
doing
anything
with
they're
still
so
short
on
on
members
and
they'll
be
down
more
members
that
it
will.
It's
we're
asking
a
lot
of
these
panel
members.
That
I,
don't
think
is,
is
fair.
That's
why
we
expanded
the
the
panel
either
way
I'm
against
the
motion,
but
appreciate
the
creativity,
Bob.
B
Great
so
I'll
just
say
that
you
know
I'll
disagree
a
little
bit
with
Rachel
here
that
I'll
support
it
because
of
the
very
short
time
frames
involved,
so
get
take
a
week
find
out
whether
we
have
a
quorum.
If,
if
we
do
have
a
quorum,
I
think
there
would
only
end
up
being
one
to
two
to
maybe
three
weeks
in
which
it
would
be
a
smaller
number
of
people
involved.
So
I
feel,
like
that's
a
short
enough
time
frame
that
it's
worth
seeing.
B
If
we
can
figure
out
what's
going
on
here
in
the
meantime,
I'll
any
I
can
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
for
a
vote
on
the
motion
unless
anybody
needs
to
say
more
Elise.
Should
this
be
a
show
of
hands.
B
B
Motion,
second,
all
in
favor
raise
your
hand
that
would
be
five
votes
in
favor,
so
that
does
that
does
pass.
This
is
being
very
difficult.
Last
minute,
information
and
I
just
want
to
appreciate
everybody
involved
for
all
of
the
hard
work
they're
putting
into
this,
and
we
will
get
there
and
we
will
get
there
soon.
B
T
I
just
have
a
point
that
I
would
really
appreciate
folks
thinking
about,
particularly
as
we're
coming
out
of
celebrating
Martin
Luther
King
Jr
day
I.
Think
it's
really
important,
as
we
are
thinking
about
what
we're
going
to
do
next
week,
that
we
keep
in
mind
how
easy
it
is
to
confuse
criticism
and
disagreement
with
bias
as
much
as
we
wish.
Otherwise,
the
systems
of
policing
and
criminal
justice,
along
with
every
other
system
in
our
society,
are
and
always
have
been
biased
against
black
and
brown
people,
queer
interns,
people,
disabled
people
and
those
living
in
poverty.
T
That
is
a
fact
criticizing.
A
bias
system
is
not
biased.
Disagreeing
with
the
outcome
or
approach
of
a
bias
system
is
not
bias.
Naming
the
racism
embedded
in
all
of
our
governmental
systems,
including
in
our
policing
and
criminal
justice
system,
is
not
biased.
Even
a
cursory
look
at
our
City's
history
will
show
you.
T
It
is
progress,
I'm,
very
disappointed
with
our
decision
tonight,
I'm
glad
it's
just
a
week
that
we
are
waiting,
but
I
really
hope
we
can
think
about
what
bias
is,
as
it
relates
to
a
majority
white
body
making
a
decision
about
overturning
a
panel.
That
is
one
of
our
most
diverse
panels
in
the
city.
Thank
you.
B
B
J
I
move
on
the
consent
agenda
items
3B
through
3E,
inclusive.
I
J
B
B
F
I
E
Thanks
sir
tonight's
College
check-in
is
item
four
on
the
agenda.
4A
is
the
call
of
consideration
of
a
concept,
plan,
review
and
comment
for
a
Redevelopment
proposal
of
2747
Glenwood
Court
The
Proposal
includes
demolition
of
the
existing
apartment,
complex
and
Redevelopment
of
the
site,
with
attached,
multi-family
and
townhouse
dwelling
units
constructed
atop,
a
new
underground
vehicle
parking
structure.
The
new
development
is
proposed
to
include
a
multi-family
building
compromised
of
102
efficiency
living
units.
E
B
Thanks
see,
Lucia
any
interest
in
calling
this
up
or
questions
or
comments.
I
got
Mark
and
then
Bob.
I
I
would
have
interest
in
calling
this
up,
as
is
typical
for
a
project
of
this
magnitude.
One
always
wants
to
take
a
look.
That's
our
job,
so,
yes,
I,
would
be
interested
in
blowing
it
up.
Bob.
J
I'm
going
to
take
a
contrary
view
on
this
one,
you
write
mark
on
a
large
project.
We
often
do
call
it
up.
I
want
to
just
make
two
observations.
One
I
I
thought
the
planning
board
did
a
very,
very
good
job
on
this.
One
I
thought
there
was
very
thorough
commentary
offered
to
the
applicant
and
a
lot
of
good
information.
I,
don't
know
if
the
applicants
here
tonight
and
it
has
a
view
one
way
or
the
other.
The
applicant
wants
it
to
be
called
up.
Obviously,
I
would
defer
to
that.
J
If
the
applicant
is
content
with
the
planning
boards,
feedback
I
would
be
inclined
not
called
up,
particularly
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
are
very,
very
quickly
slipping
into
the
second
year
of
our
two-year
work
plan,
and
we
have
not
made
a
whole
lot
of
progress
and
I'm,
not
sure
we
could
give
up
the
time
if,
if
avoidable,
some
Nuria
or
or
somebody
from
the
plane
Department
could
we
maybe
ask
the
applicant
or
the
applicant's
representative
if
they
have
a
preference
home
or
the
other,
would
that
be
proper.
B
U
Here,
Danica
Paul
with
Trestle
strategy
group
representing
the
applicant
and
the
development
team.
We
did
feel
that
we
got
a
really
great
review
with
planning
board
and
I
feel
like
we're
ready
to
move
forward.
So
we
weren't
looking
for
a
call
up
tonight
appreciate
the
the
thought,
but
this
is
a
great
project
and
we
look
forward
to
kind
of
moving
forward
with
it.
So
thank
you
for
asking
thanks.
B
T
B
B
Really
fantastic
playing
board
had
some
some
good
minor
feedback
and
I
would
just
the
one
thing
that
I
would
Echo
was
I
was
looking
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site
where
the
townhouses
meet
the
the
bike
path
and
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
enough
of
a
setback
from
the
bike
path,
so
it
didn't
feel
too
kind
of
crowded
or
closed
in
other
than
that
I
thought
it
was
going
in
a
great
Direction,
so
I
don't
feel
the
need
to
call
it
up
anybody
else.
T
Can
I
speak
to
my
motion
for
just
a
minute?
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
really
interested
in
hearing
a
little
bit
more
about
with
this
project
is
the
idea
of
having
a
fence
that
is
kind
of
access
controlled
over
by
the
park
by
Elmer's
two
mile
park.
That's
right
there
and
to
me
that
I
think
this.
This
was
something
that
I
believe
John
garcelle
brought
up
in
planning
board.
This
idea
of.
Do
we
want
to
be
a
gated
community?
Do
we
want
to
have
gated
communities
within
our
community
and
I
I?
B
T
Yeah,
thank
you
and
yeah
I'm,
just
I'm
interested
into
some
of
the
design.
That's
there
right
now,
because
it
seems
like
what
it's
going
to
do
is
to
prevent
people
from
sort
of
having
a
more
open
access
to
Elmer's,
to
Mel,
Park
and
being
able
to
kind
of
go,
go
through
there
and
typically,
we've
had
open
access
to
the
park
and
I
think
the
place
where
it
was
coming
in
was
maybe
by
where
an
employee
was
going
to
be,
and
just
just
thinking
about.
T
How
can
we
have
access
to
that
Park
still
and
allow
for
people
who
are
trying
to
get
to
the
park
to
not
have
to
go
around
or
in
a
different
way,
and
especially
if
there
are
access
points
that
people
within
this
development
have
to
the
park
that
the
rest
to
the
public
does
not
have
that
doesn't
feel
very
good,
so
I
would
just
just
really
like
some
thinking
about
that
and
for
for
our
staff
as
well.
One
of
the
other
concerns
that
I
have
is
that
there
are
about
42
units
here
right
now.
T
J
B
J
J
O
J
B
You
have
a
reference
here,
maybe
a
special
meeting
at
the
beginning
and.
J
H
B
E
All
right,
sir,
thank
you.
Public
hearings
are
item
number
five
on
tonight's
agenda.
5A
is
the
consideration
of
the
following
tax
related
ordinances.
There
are
three
number
one
is
the
second
reading
and
consideration
of
emotion
to
adopt
ordinance,
8548,
that's
related
to
the
electronic
smoking
device
and
tobacco
retailers.
E
Parts
of
our
BRC
item
number
two
is
the
second
reading
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
8562
that
is
amending
the
sections
of
the
BRC
noted
to
exempt
essential
hygiene
products
from
the
city's
sales
tax
and
the
last
item
item
number
three
is
the
second
reading
and
consideration
of
a
motion
to
pass
ordinance,
8563
amending
title
III
and
that
is
to
provide
greater
consistency
and
Tax
Administration
within
the
code.
AQ
I
AI
AQ
Okay,
so
tonight
we
have
for
your
consideration,
three
ordinances
related
to
the
tax
code
and
Regulatory,
and
some
licensing
requirements.
AQ
Here
we
go
we're
getting
it
going
so
the
three
ordinances,
the
first
one
is
related
to
electronic
smoking
devices
and
it
amends
both
the
tax
code
and
some
Regulatory
and
Licensing
code
provisions.
AQ
The
second
ordinance
really
affects
your
ways.
Council's
guidance
last
fall
to
exempt
essential
hygiene
products
from
the
city's
tax
code
from
the
sales
tax,
and
the
third
really
is
Administrative
changes
to
title
III.
This
is
to
add
greater
Clarity
and
to
reduce
administrative
burden
both
for
staff
and
for
our
taxpayers
and
tonight
I'm
pleased
to
introduce
James
McDonald,
who
is
our
tax
manager
and
he
will
be
walking
through
these
ordinances
with
you.
AQ
We
also
have
Kristen
changaris
our
regulatory
licensing
manager
here
to
answer
questions
as
well
as
Laurel
Witt
senior
City
attorney.
So
with
that
I
will
hand
it
over
to
James
McDonald.
AR
AR
What
this
will
do
is
amend
titles,
three,
four
and
six
of
the
BRC
really
to
provide
clarification
regarding
taxation,
licensing
and
privileged
acts,
and
the
modification
comes
primarily
around
the
idea
of
those
esds
that
contain
nicotine.
Much
of
this
was
driven
by
council's
feedback
to
staff
over
the
last
several
months.
Quick
background.
This
is
a
timeline
that
just
kind
of
shows
some
of
the
the
opportunities
staff
has
had
to
speak
with
Council
and
get
some
direction
after
certain
ordinances.
Ordinances
have
passed
regarding
Taxation
and
licensure
Etc,
so
specifically
changes
to
title
III.
AR
AR
Additionally,
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
the
40
special
tax
is
in
addition
to
the
3.86
standard
sales
tax.
There's
no
change
there.
That
3.86
has
always
been
in
play
for
these
products,
changes
to
title
IV,
clarifying
licensing
requirements.
Again,
it's
revolving
around
the
esds
that
are
going
to
be
containing
nicotine,
so
there
was
a
renaming
of
the
license
to
tobacco
and
electronic
smoking
device
for
those
retailers
and
again
clarifying
that
it's
pertaining
specifically
to
retailers
that
are
selling
esds
that
contain
nicotine.
AR
We
provide
a
quick
example
here
that
retailers
selling
LSD
is
that
esds
that
do
not
contain
nicotine,
such
as
a
cannabis
retailer
or
paraphernalia
only
shop,
would
not
be
required
to
hold
the
license.
I
think
that
was
something
that
was
needed
to
have
some
additional
clarification
around
and
also
there's
going
to
be
a
change
to
create
some
consistency
around
the
renewal
fees
for
these
licenses,
just
to
be
harmonious
with
other
regulatory
licenses
for
late
fees.
AR
That
changes
to
title
six
would
be
to
clarify
prohibitions
in
6-4.5-2,
which
applies
again
to
esds
containing
nicotine.
So
you
can
see
that
theme,
we're
adding
definitions
of
nicotine,
ESD
retailer
and
flavor
DSD,
and
also
we're
seeking
to
reconcile
inconsistencies
between
chapters
6-4
and
6-4.5.
AR
The
next
ordinance
speaks
to
the
essential
hygiene
products.
Again.
This
was
based
upon
feedback
from
Council
last
fall.
AR
So
what
this
will
do
is
amends
the
the
tax
code
in
title
III,
where
we're
adding
two
additional
definitions
of
menstruation
products
and
incontinence
products
and
diapers,
and
then
we
are
seeking
to
incorporate
exemptions
specific
to
those
terms,
as
defined
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
Denver
and
Aurora
had
previously
had
exemptions
pertaining
to
some
or
all
of
these
types
of
products
dating
back
to
2019,
when
Denver
established
its
first
exemption
related
to
menstrual
products
in
2022,
Aurora
kind
of
followed
suit,
with
menstrual
products
and
diapers
as
well.
AR
We
did
do
some
Outreach
and
there
was
a
community
focus
group
was
held.
We
had
seven
Community
groups
participate
in
providing
staff
with
feedback.
There
was
unanimous
support
for
the
exemption
across
a
number
of
reasons
why,
some
of
those
being
to
eliminate
some
cost
burden
for
individuals
and
families?
There
was
an
impact
against
a
broad
community
population,
so
the
benefit
hits
a
large
population
for
Boulder,
as
well
as
an
increased
sense
of
dignity
and
Mobility
around
removing
those
impacts
from
tax
on
these
products.
AR
AR
The
last
ordinance
is
Administrative
amendments
to
title
III.
Again,
that's
the
tax
title
General
overview
of
changes.
Those
bulleted
lists
there
and
we're
going
to
go
down
each
of
those.
In
the
next
few
slides
a
little
bit
of
background
staff
seeks
to
be
adaptive
to
input
from
the
business
community
and
folks
that
are
seeking
to
provide
voluntary
compliance
around
how
the
ordinance
impacts
their
operations
and
when
there
seems
to
be
uncertainty
or
confusion
within
the
way
the
code
is
the
language
exists.
AR
2018,
we
adopted
standard
definitions
and
there
was
some
additional
administrative
changes
that
took
place
at
that
time.
Marketplace
facilitator
language
was
adopted
in
2020
and
then
economic
Nexus
in
2021
and
again
that's
an
adaptation
from
the
Wayfair
case.
That
was
a
national
case
so
again,
just
trying
to
reiterate
that
we're
trying
to
stay
current
with
with
our
code
and
as
a
kind
of
a
final
note
change
is
recommended
in
the
Ordinance.
AR
AR
This
is
going
to
incorporate
the
changes
necessary
from
the
passing
of
ballot
issue
2A
in
November,
and
what
that
specifically
will
do
is
eliminate
the
climate
action
plan
tax
in
chapter
312
and
then
revise
chapter
313,
which
was
the
utility
occupation
tax,
which
reflects
the
approved
climate
tax
from
that
November
election
and
we've
we've
elected
to
include
the
climate
tax
as
a
portion
of
these
other
title.
Iii
changes
just
as
a
matter
of
efficiency.
AR
What
we
wanted
to
do
here,
retailer
incorporates
Marketplace
facilitator
within
its
definition,
and
it
became
again
in
modernization
and
keeping
with
industry
practice
that
there
are
platform
users
out
there,
where
that
would
fall
under
the
marketplace.
Facilitator
concept,
and
so
this
was
a
way
to
ensure
that
we're
moving
Marketplace
facilitation
into
those
accommodations
chapters
and
I.
Think
it's
of
note
that
currently
we
have
some
of
the
large
these
large
platform
or
Marketplace
facilitators
in
the
accommodation.
Space
are
already
collecting
our
tax
pursuant
to
voluntary
collection
agreements.
AR
So
this
would
eliminate
the
need
for
a
VCA
also
we're
again
just
some
cleanup
stuff
where
we're
trying
to
strike
unnecessary
language
if
we
say
enumerate
any
number
of
types
of
facilities
that
would
be
subject
to
an
accommodation
tax
when
the
consideration
is
exchanged,
we
have
definitions
that
already
provide
those
same
delineation
of
or
enumeration
of
facility
types,
so
just
a
way
to
try
to
reduce
some
unnecessary
language.
AR
One
specific
change
under
marijuana
excise
tax,
the
legislative
intent
language
that
was
adopted
indicates
that
the
excise
was
imposed
upon
the
first
transfer
from
a
cultivation
facility.
Somehow,
in
the
imposition
language,
the
phrase
or
term
any
as
opposed
to
First
was
incorporated.
So
we
wanted
to
harmonize.
This
is
something
that
comes
up
from
our
business
Community
with
regularity
because
they
read
the
legislative
intent
language
that
says
first
and
then
they
read
the
imposition
language
that
says
any
and
they're
not
sure
if
that
means
there's
multiple
impositions
through
the
stream
of
Commerce.
AR
So
we
wanted
to
clarify
that
to
ensure
that
the
legislative
intent
was
being
honored.
Limitations
is
related
to
our
statute
of
limitations.
AR
Currently
the
code
triggers
a
three-year
look
back,
based
upon
the
due
date
of
a
return,
as
opposed
to
the
actual
filing
of
that
return.
Our
understanding
is
that
the
code
intends
to
provide
the
city
and,
or
and
or
a
taxpayer
three
years
from
a
trigger
date,
for
their
ability
to
seek
refund
or
for
the
city
to
make
assessment.
So
what
this
does
is
it
moves
the
start
date
to
three
years
from
the
moment.
AR
Also
we're
adding
some
language
around
the
idea
of
that
when
a
notice
of
audit
is
issued
to
a
taxpayer
that
it
does
not
require
a
signed
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
taxpayer
to
set
the
statute
of
limitations.
This
is
kind
of
an
administrative
easing
whereby,
if
we
run
up
against
a
expiring
statute
agreement,
we
have
to
then
reach
back
out
to
the
the
party
being
audited.
Have
them
re-sign
an
agreement
to
extend
the
statute
again.
This
can
be
cumbersome
for
both
the
taxpayers
and
for
us.
AR
AR
AR
Additionally,
we
identified
sections
that
just
felt
like
they
were
in
the
wrong
place
or
they
existed
in
essentially
the
same
language
in
multiple
places
within
title
III,
so
we
determined
and
we're
proposing
that
these
particular
sections
get
moved
to
what
we
believe
is
the
most
appropriate
place
for
the
user.
Examples
would
be
in
our
definitions,
section
we
actually
have
or
a
definitions
chapter.
We
actually
have
sections
pertaining
to
certain
administrative
processes
such
as
inner
city
claims
for
Recovery.
AR
AR
Also
it
was.
It
was
identified
that
there
were
a
couple
of
necessary
changes
from
first
reading
to
this
reading,
so
we
wanted
to
set
those
off.
Maybe
the
best
way
to
say
that
is
these
three
changes
essentially
become
non-changes.
AR
And
final
thing
on
this
would
just
be:
there
was
a
recommendation
for
third
reading,
giving
the
change
between
first
and
second
reading.
So
we
thought
if
there
was
any
questions
around,
why
I
need
to
go
to
third
reading
for
adoption.
We
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
made
clear.
T
Yeah
I
just
had
a
quick
question.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
presentation.
My
question
was
one
of
the
commenters
about
the
eliminating
the
sales
tax
on
menstrual
products
and
things
like
that.
They
asked
if
we
could
make
sure
that
those
any
loss
in
revenue
is
not
affecting
nonprofits
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
have
a
way
that
we
can
actually
track
that.
AQ
O
B
B
AS
Your
wealth
inequity
that
you're
doing
through
your
policy
of
planning,
board
and
planning
and
development
and
papillos
and
everything
that
you're
doing
to
support
the
wealth.
Any
inequity
in
Boulder
just
creates
more
people
that
can't
afford
these
hygiene
products.
So
I
don't
support
it
exclusively.
AS
Because
of
that,
because
you're
do
you're,
spinning
your
wheels
you're,
making
things
more
and
more
unaffordable
and
then
you're
you're,
asking
for
tax
exemptions
for
certain
groups
and
those
groups
are
increased
in
in
number
by
your
policy,
and
you
know
I
for
30
years
I've
been
following
this
and
fighting
it
and
nothing
happens.
It
gets
worse
and
worse.
As
you
see
from
my
letter
today
that
I
sent
from
just
reading
an
article
from
seven
years
ago,
we
were
in
the
same
trajectory.
AS
Let's
see
that
was
oh
as
far
as
taxing
vaping
I,
don't
think
you
should
good
texting
things
that
shouldn't
be
legitimate
in
the
first
place,
so
I'm
opposed
to
that,
but
for
the
wrong
reasons,
I'm
opposed
to
that
because
we
never
should
have
allowed
vaping
at
all
or
nicotine
at
all,
because
they're
too
destructive
to
the
health
of
the
community.
AS
So
I
think
you
need
to
think
about
what
you're
really
doing
in
this
community
in
a
much
larger
way
than
just
the
kind
of
tax
fixes
that
you
can
do,
and
especially
with
regards
to
the
library
the
library
should
not
have
been
given
up
for
two
million
dollars
of
benefit,
because
we
don't
own
the
library,
anymore
and
so
I,
just
don't
I,
think
you're
completely
Hippocratic
hypocritic
in
just
about
every
policy.
You
do
that.
AS
That
means
something
deeply
in
this
community,
like
the
biggest
things
like
Jared,
was
talking
about
affordable
housing,
you're,
just
making
it
worse
and
worse
and
worse
and
you're
dreaming
and
knocking
down
the
Glenwood
site.
Those
are
affordable,
they're
not
going
to
be
affordable
afterwards,
with
100
some
units
you're,
making
things
more
unaffordable
in
this
community
and
then
you're
asking
for
tax
breaks.
AK
J
T
I,
don't
have
any
other
comments,
just
thank
you
for
getting
all
this
done
so
quickly
and
bringing
it
back
to
us.
B
Great
I'll
just
call
on
myself
and
just
say
how
appreciative
I
am
of
all
the
work
that
you've
done
here.
The
the
smoking
and
vaping
stuff
we've
been
working
on
it
for
a
long
time
right.
So
it's
good
to
finally
get
this
done.
It's
been
years
in
in
the
making
great
to
finally
get
it
done
really
appreciate
the
tax
break,
we're
giving
people
on
hygiene,
essential
hygiene
projects,
products,
and
then
that
was
a
lot
of
detailed
work
on
the
taxation
language
and
wanted
to
really
appreciate
the
the
diagram.
B
G
I
have
not
worked
on
anything
that
was
done
more
efficiently
and
with
less
drama
during
my
years
on
Council,
so
great
job,
and
maybe
in
advance
to
my
colleague
if
the
vote
is
also
drama
free.
This
is
I,
think
just
a
a
good
for
the
community
and
we'll
help
some
people
out
and
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
do
this
quickly,
even
though
it
wasn't
quite
on
our
work
plan.
So
thanks
to
everyone.
B
B
B
All
right,
well
thanks,
so
much
again
right
so
I
want
to
do
a
time
check.
We've
got
one
item
left
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
engagement
recommendations
that
would
take
us
it's
right
now,
8
48,
in
which
estimated
60
minutes
and
then
I
think
Nicole
wanted
to
speak
some
after
that.
But
are
we
good
for
continuing
right,
I'm,
seeing
nodding
heads.
E
E
P
B
AU
Is
mic
on
yep?
Okay,
great!
Thank
you!
Everybody
good
evening,
Council
I'm,
Sarah,
Huntley
I'm,
the
director
of
communication
and
engagement
and
we're
here
tonight
to
tee
up
a
sort
of
hodgepodge
of
items
coming
to
you
from
your
Council
engagement
subcommittee,
that
some
of
which
require
some
just
sort
of
General
guidance,
a
couple
of
which
would
require
direction
to
draft
rule
changes,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
them
as
quickly
as
we
can
this
evening.
I
think
the
memo
spelled
them
out
pretty
clearly,
so,
hopefully
we
can
get
through
it.
AU
Can
we
pull
up
the
presentation?
Please.
AK
B
AU
AU
Please
sorry:
it's
been
a
while,
since
I
presented
up
here,
I
didn't
realize
we'd
come
back
to
the
slides
here,
but
Taylor's
gonna
help
me
okay,
so,
while
she's
pulling
up
those
slides,
I
will
just
run
through
quickly
the
hodgepodge
of
items
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight.
AU
One
of
them
is
a
quick
update
and
some
iterative
improvements
that
we
are
proposing,
and
the
committee
is
supporting
related
to
council
correspondence.
We're
also
going
to
chat
a
little
bit
about
expectations
for
hybrid
Council
attendance.
That
is
one
of
the
ones
that
would
require
a
rule,
clarification
or
change
improvements
related
to
chats
and
walks
with
Council,
which
is
an
ongoing
Council
program.
AU
So
we'll
start
right
in
with
the
updates
and
improvements
related
to
council
correspondence,
as
this
Council
knows
at
the
beginning
of
last
year.
Right
around
this
time,
we
initiated
a
change
in
how
communication
would
occur
between
constituents
and
council
members,
and
we
went
from
a
sort
of
Outlook
completely
completely
outlook-based
email
system
to
a
form
system
where
constituents
could
fill
out
a
form
that
was
readily
available
in
English
and
Spanish
on
the
website.
They
were
asked
to
tick
a
number
of
boxes
to
help
us
direct
those
forms
to
the
right
people.
AU
So
the
topic
and
things
like
that,
and
it
allows
us
to
track
better
and
respond
more
to
quickly
and
untimely
way
to
constituents.
It
also
allowed
directors
and
subject
matter
experts
to
see
the
forms
that
were
related
to
them,
but
not
the
whole
universe,
which
often
made
it
difficult
to
slice
and
dice
what
needed
to
be
responded
to.
So
we
did.
AU
It's
probably
appropriate
for
them
to
talk
to
their
elected
official,
but
one
of
the
things
that
a
couple
council
members
have
noted
those
who
receive
this
is
that
sometimes
there
are
emails
in
there
that
could
very
easily
be
answered
by
staff
that
they're
really
somebody
asking
for
more
information
or
some
navigation
support
and
the
way
our
current
system
is
Staff
doesn't
even
see
them.
We
don't
even
know
they
exist.
AU
So
one
of
the
conversations
that
we
have
had
is
the
engagement
subcommittee
and
the
staff
has
come
around
to
supporting,
is
to
take
away
the
option
for
people
to
direct
it
to
a
particular
population.
So
all
of
council
would
see
everything
that
came
in,
and
the
staff
members
who
were
assigned
to
the
topic
so
they'd
still
be
topic.
Specific,
would
see
them
as
well.
This
would
allow
staff
to
more
expeditiously
respond.
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
there
are
standards
for
staff.
AU
Directors
are
not
just
waiting
for
emails
to
pop
in
and
are
not
available
to
necessarily
reply
immediately.
So
our
current
standards
are
three
business
days
for
things
that
have
a
specific
question
or
could
benefit
from
a
referral
to
some
factual
information
on
our
website.
Staff
will
never
respond
to
something
that
is
essentially
a
position
somebody
is
asking
Council
to
take.
We
don't
feel
that's
our
role
or
our
place,
but
there
are
a
high
number
of
emails
that
come
in
that
are
seeking
more
information.
AU
So
that's
one
of
the
recommendations
and
one
of
the
reasons
for
it
next
slide.
Please
thought
might
be
interesting
to
just
quickly.
Look
and
I
know
it's
hard
to
see
on
the
slide
deck
on
the
screen,
wide
range
of
topics
and
the
topics
have
been
really
helpful
for
us
to
have
people
self-select,
because
in
the
past
sometimes
people
would
write
about
six
or
seven
topics
and
figuring
out
which
staff
member
needed
to
read
that
was
challenging,
but
now
that
people
are
selecting
topics,
it's
helpful.
AU
AU
What's
coming
up
on
your
agendas
and
unless
we
had
every
staff
member,
seeing
everything
that
came
under
that
topic,
it's
incredibly
challenging
to
make
sure
the
right
people
are
seeing
the
questions
and
can
answer
them.
So
one
of
the
other
proposals-
and
this
was
a
staff
generated
proposal-
is
that
we
eliminate
that
field
so
certainly,
for
example,
tonight's
topic.
If
somebody
wanted
to
put
their
perspective
in
on
the
police
oversight
panel
discussion,
they
could
choose
police
or
there
is
also
an
oversight
topic.
AU
They
don't
have
to
choose
pending
council
elections,
so
we're
also
recommending-
and
both
those
are
administrative,
backend
changes,
but
because
you
are
end
users
of
the
system,
we
wanted
to
just
run
it
by
the
full
Council.
Let
you
know
that
we
intend
to
do
that
unless
you
have
an
objection
to
it
next
slide.
Please
also.
This
has
raised
questions
about
the
constituent
relationship
management
project.
When
we
implemented
this
new
system,
you
might
recall
last
year
we
also
told
you
that
we
had
an
ongoing
project
to
make
the
system
even
better
than
what
we
have
made.
AU
That
process
got
a
little
bit
delayed
by
other
City
priorities
that
came
up
last
year,
but
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
our
Innovation
and
Technology
colleagues
have
this
on
their
work
plan
for
2023,
and
so
there
is
a
phase
process.
That's
going
to
go
through
and
you'll
notice
that
the
items
that
I
think
you
all
are
probably
the
most
interested
in
are
in
phase
one.
So
we're
asking
for
a
little
bit
more
patience
in
Phase
zero
as
we
rescope
the
project
do
some
Discovery
and
procure
a
vendor
to
help
us
with
this.
AU
AU
Yes,
one
of
the
things
you've
asked
us
to
do
in
the
next
iteration
of
improvements
is
have
a
way
to
see
on
the
back
end.
If
anybody
has
replied
to
somebody
who's
written
in
from
staff
or
even
if
a
fellow
council
member
has
replied,
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
see
or
could
should
see
the
content,
but
you
would
say
oh
good
Bob's
reply,
oh
good
terrorist
reply,
I,
don't
necessarily
need
to
okay
next
slide,
please
all
right!
AU
So,
just
as
a
quick
reminder,
the
two
changes
we're
recommending
at
this
point
is
that
we
ensure
that
full
visibility
of
all
the
submissions
to
council
and
staff
so
that
we
can
improve
our
timeliness
of
responding
next
slide.
Please
and
the
second
one
is
to
eliminate
the
topic
of
choice
of
feedback
on
pending
Council
action.
AU
AT
AT
We'll
note
that
study
sessions,
already
councils
decided
to
be
a
hundred
percent
virtual
moving
forward,
so
I
will
we'll
leave
that
there
and
we'll
move
to
to
the
next
item.
Thank
you.
AT
J
Yes,
sir,
this
is
another
comment
or
question,
and
Rachel
can
jump
in
here
too.
J
I
want
to
make
a
clarification
on
this
proposal
that
it
is
not
intended
to
necessarily
limit
people
who
have
illnesses
or
taking
care
of
a
family
member
who
is
ill,
and
so,
while
illness
could
certainly
be
a
reason
why
someone
decides
to
participate
virtually
and
that's
great
and
I.
Think
that's.
AJ
AM
J
Doing
tonight
it's
not
intended
to
limit
people
if
they
have,
let's
say
a
long,
ongoing
illness
or
they're
a
caregiver
from
from
exceeding
the
the
three
times
per
year.
Rule.
That's
just
my
perspective
and
the
clarification
that
I'm
sorry
that
we
didn't
make
in
giving
this
to
staff
Rachel.
Do
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
that.
G
I
think
that's
right.
I
am
home,
sick
tonight
and
well
I'm,
not
definitely
ill,
I,
think
I'm,
probably
contagious.
So
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
discourage
people
from
staying
home
when
they
might
get
other
people
sick,
so
yeah
that
that's
makes
sense
to
me
that
that
the
four
time
or
three-time
rule
that
we're
proposing
would
not
include
illnesses
is
that
the
question.
AV
Good
evening
Council
Taylor
Ryman
assistant
to
the
city
council,
so
I'm
going
to
go
over
quickly,
improvements
related
to
chats
and
walks
with
you
guys.
As
many
of
you
know,
this
program's
been
around
since
2019,
it
was
born
out
of
a
desire
to
have
more
informal
two-way
dialogue
with
constituents.
AV
Maybe
you're
surprised,
but
being
up
here
and
talking
to
you
at
the,
as
you
said
at
the
diocese,
is
not
very
comfortable
and
conversational
of
course,
and
so
we
wanted
to
create
non-agenda,
driven
sort
of
easy
participation,
low
barrier
ways
for
us
to
engage
with
even
more
parts
of
the
community
than
we
normally
hear
from,
because
a
lot
of
people
that
come
to
council
often
do
so
regularly,
and
so
we
know
there's
voices
out
there
we're
not
hearing
from
and
how
can
we
meet
them
where
they
are
so
next
slide?
AV
I
won't
go
over
what's
on
the
slide,
but
there's
some
highlights
there.
How
many
we
did
this
year?
How
many
folks
we
per
engaged
with
one
of
the
things
I
do
want
to
highlight
is
partner
organizations.
What
does
it
mean
to
be
a
partner
organization
when
we
engage
in
specific
Community
groups?
We
often
partner
with
an
organization
who
knows
these
communities?
They
know
how
to
reach
them.
They
know
what
to
look
out
for
they
know
what
they
care
about.
AV
So
they
often
help
us
build
cultural,
competency
and
connections
so
that
we
can
make
more
welcoming
environments
as
we
do
this
engagement,
so
throughout
our
partnership
we've
actually
or
throughout
the
program
development.
Sorry,
this
year
we
developed
a
partnership
toolkit
which
outlines
the
expectations
for
both
parties
what
the
City
offers
when
we
are
partnering
with
them.
AV
On
these
events,
the
city
can
do
things
like
support
with
translation
and
interpretation,
designing
materials
to
advertise
even
do
printing,
but
often
we
rely
on
our
partner
organizations
for
advertisement
because,
of
course,
if
we
advertise
these
sorts
of
opportunities
through
City
channels,
we'll
get
all
sorts
of
different
people.
But
if
we're
trying
to
engage
with
a
specific
Community,
we
really
rely
on
our
partners
advertisement
of
those
opportunities
so
that
we
can
be
capturing
those
those
voices
next
slide.
AV
Before
I
get
into
Council
supported
engagement,
I
kind
of
want
to
describe
what
we
mean
by
that
in
general,
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
that
staff
supports
Council
as
they
engage
with
the
community.
Some
of
this
is
done
with
the
city
like
when
you
attend
City
sponsored
events
or
meetings,
but
some
of
this
is
also
done
on
your
own,
like
your
own
constituent
relationships
and
attending
events
outside
of
the
city
organization.
AV
Even
in
cases
where
council
is
more
self-guided,
it's
not
uncommon
for
staff
to
provide
talking
points,
draft,
a
substitute,
email
response
or
even
have
a
staff
presence
when
needed.
There
are
several
ways
that
staff
can
offer
this
support
for
Council
engagement,
and
in
doing
so,
we
balance
Our
obligation
to
be
nonpartisan
with
the
need
to
share
the
information
we
have
with
a
wide
audience.
We
appreciate
your
support
for
this
program,
as
well
as
your
suggestions
for
host
sites
and
different
focuses
and
other
iterations
to
these
opportunities.
AV
Your
memo
includes
a
more
detailed
Matrix
of
the
difference
between
these
three
more
formalized
staff
supported,
Council
engagement,
opportunities
that
being
chats
and
walks
ad
hoc,
chats
and
office
hours,
and
the
Matrix
is
the
Matrix
is
intended
to
provide
clear
expectations
about
what
staff
support
looks
like,
as
well
as
the
Equitable
utilization
of
your
staff
support.
So
with
that
sort
of
framing
I'll
get
into
it
real,
quick
here,
chats
and
walks
are
our
most.
AV
Our
most
robust
option
involves
more
planning
and
partnership
work
as
I
mentioned
previously,
and
in
addition
to
that,
in
addition
to
the
running
suggestions
we
have
here
on
the
slide,
which
I've
just
sort
of
been
capturing,
as
as
you
guys
recommend
them,
we
will
also
be
collecting
more
of
your
suggestions
through
a
feedback
survey.
The
second
one
here,
ad
hog,
chats
it's
based
on
our
experience
that
we
had
this
year
and
we
recognize
the
need
to
be
able
to
add
chats
when
they're
needed.
AV
This
is
very
similar
to
a
regular
chat,
just
with
a
slightly
different
focus.
A
lighter
lift
and
a
tighter
turnaround
having
this
option
allows
us
to
create
a
consistent
annual
schedule
of
chats
and
walks,
while
also
retaining
the
ability
to
be
flexible
and
respond
to
emerging
engagement
needs.
We
hope
to
support
broader
utilization
of
this
opportunity
by
asking
three
council
members
to
initiate
this
kind
of
event.
AV
Lastly,
office
hours,
these
are
more
just
direct
constituent
conversations
typically
initiated
by
community
members.
This
has
minimal
staff
support
in
the
way
of
scheduling
and
space
needs.
I
mentioned
the
feedback
survey
we'll
be
doing,
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
we're
working
on
as
we
look
into
2023
are
how
to
bolster
the
attraction
Factor.
Like
you
know,
when
we're
at
events,
how
do
we
have
games
and
giveaways
to
bring
more
people
in
and
then
also
collecting
better
feedback,
but
still
without
creating
a
barrier
to
participation?
AV
AV
These
things
are
normally
about
two
hours
and
they're
held
all
over
the
city
at
different
days
and
locations
and
with
different
partners
next
slide,
and
then
that
additional,
the
ad
hoc
chat
that
we
described
consider
adding
two
of
those
options
and
again
at
least
three
council
members
to
initiate,
with
just
a
few
weeks
time
for
planning
all
right
I'll
hand
it
back
off
to
Sarah.
Yes,.
AU
AU
So,
as
countless
Council
knows
from
time
to
time,
we
have
community
members
who
wish
to
make
presentations
as
part
of
their
open
comment
or
public
testimony.
These
presentations
have
been
of
concern
to
our
city,
attorney's
office,
for
some
time
and
they've
talked
to
Council
on
more
than
one
occasion
about
the
challenges,
because
it
is
because
of
First
Amendment
rights
and
the
concern
that
staff
members
reviewing
these
presentations
in
advance
put
us
in
a
situation
where
we
might
be
making
content-based
decisions
about
whether
to
allow
a
presentation
or
not
allow
a
presentation.
AU
So
every
time
a
Community
member
presentation
is
submitted
to
the
clerk's
office
and
projected
to
you
all
we're
all
looking
at
it
at
the
same
time,
for
the
first
time
nobody's
reviewing
them
in
advance
that
poses
some
potential
risk
in
terms
of
content
and
concerns
about
obscenities
and
other
things.
That
would
be
disruptive
to
a
meeting
that
we
don't
have
a
chance
to
get
in
front
of.
So
there's
been
a
legal
concern
around
these
presentations
for
some
time.
AU
More
recently,
there
have
been
concerns
expressed
about
the
equity
issues
around
these
presentations.
Some
community
members
have
access
to
software
and
capacity
and
know
how
to
create
visually
compelling
engaging
presentations.
Others
do
not
so
the
recommendation
staff
is
making,
and
the
subcommittee
supports
is
that
the
easiest
way
to
eliminate
concerns
about
inconsistent
application
of
standards
and
First
Amendment
rights
is
to
simply
not
allow
these
presentations
anymore.
AU
Now
that
does
not
mean
that
somebody
couldn't
submit
slides
to
you
or
photographs
to
you
through
the
council
form
system,
for
example.
It
is
very
easy
to
do
an
attachment
to
that
system,
but,
what's
being
proposed,
is
that
the
slides
that
are
shown
in
this
Chambers
and
shown
on
Zoom?
They
are
not
currently
broadcasts
over
Channel
8,
but
that
they
not
be
allowed
moving
forward
again.
That
would
require
rule
change.
AU
I
anticipate
that
there
are
some
folks
in
the
community
who
would
like
to
speak
to
you
about
that
who
might
have
strong
feelings
about
that,
and
my
understanding
is
that
they
would
have
an
opportunity
to
do
so
when
that
formal
rule
change
comes
forward.
So
what
we
will
be
looking
for
this
evening
is
whether
Council
supports
asking
the
city
attorney's
office
to
incorporate
that
into
our
existing
rules,
for
it
to
come
forward
to
for
another
vote.
AU
Now
there
are
already
some
Provisions
regarding
signage
and
Chambers
and
as
a
good
example
that
the
mayor
raised
tonight
is
asking
people
to
please
move
so
that
they're
not
blocking
the
views.
This
would
be
an
additional
provision
which
says
sister
for
people.
You
cannot
leave
your
signs
in
the
seats.
B
AU
AU
To
do
that,
if
we
could
pull
up
the
next
slide
there,
we
can
do
after
each
bold.
It
will
stop
okay.
So
for
counter
correspondence.
The
two
recommendations
that
are
being
asked
were
asking
you
for
feedback
on
are
to
eliminate
the
option
for
constituents
to
choose
who
to
direct
their
submission
to,
in
order
to
ensure
the
staff
is
seeing
all
of
the
relevant
emails
to
respond
to,
and
the
next
one
has
to
do
with
the
topic
of
eliminating
feedback
on
pending
Council
action.
As
a
topic,
would
you
like
to
give.
B
Nod
your
head:
if
you
like
it
and
raise
your
hand
if
you
want
to
have
a
question
or
a
comment
about
it,
and
if
we
get
all
knotting
heads
we'll
just
move
on
to
the
next
one,
if
we
have
questions
or
comments,
we'll
we'll
dig
into
it,
so
the
first
one
is
ensureful.
Visibility
of
all
council
contact,
submission
Council
by
staff.
Are
people
comfortable
with
this?
Mostly
bugatt
Mark
get
a
hand
I
and
Genie.
I
I
Don't
have
a
problem
with
the
visibility
of
council
contacts,
but
would
this
be
the
one
where
we
would
no
longer
have
people
write
to
us
directly,
I
I
think
that's
an
important
thing.
If
somebody
wants
to
contact
Bob
or
Nicole,
they
should
be
no.
AU
So
that's
still
so.
The
intention
for
this
form
is
that
people,
our
preference
as
staff,
is
that
people
use
the
form
because
it
allows
us
to
track
it
and
make
sure
we're
being
responsive,
but
there's
nothing
currently
in
our
system
that
precludes
any
constituent
from
emailing
individual
council
members.
AF
AU
H
A
AS
AU
AS
AU
That
we've
had
about
2
800
people
use
the
form
in
this
last
year,
I
venture
to
Guess
that
you
have
received
more
than
2800
emails.
Those
are
not
the
only
way.
People
are
communicating
with
you
and
there's
nothing
that
stops.
People
from
communicating
to
your
email,
directly
and
staff
does
not
see
that
unless
you
forward
it
to
us
and
ask
us
to
do
something
with
it,.
B
H
Have
one
more
question
which
actually
will
be
part
of
my
comments?
Have
you
done
any
type
of
assessment
to
know
whether
this
form,
somehow
people
get
faster
responses,
or
even
the
percentage
of
responses
from
counsel
when
it
comes
to
getting
resolution
of
their
issues?.
AU
So
our
practice
currently
is
that
a
staff
member
responds
to
somebody
who
comes
through
the
system
they're
also
supposed
to
let
Council
know
that
they
are
responding.
But
that
is
inconsistently
applied
to
be
honest
with
you,
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
have
an
automated
system
that
allows
us
to
see
that
we're
not
at
that
point
yet,
because
our
software
doesn't
allow
us
to
do
that.
But
that
is
the
goal
of
the
next
step.
AU
H
AU
B
M
Oh
I
wonder
if
we're
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
say
a
few
things
that
aren't
I
can't
see
so
sorry
I'm
squinting,
if
we're
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
mention
some
things
that
weren't
discussed
or
is
this
not
the
time
or
place
for
that,
for
instance,
reply
to
all
the
never-ending
battle
with
reply
to
all
or
just
reply,
some
of
the
annoying
things
about.
AU
So
I
would
be
happy
to
take
your
feedback
and
talk
to
it
to
see.
If
there's
things
we
can
do
to
address
those
again.
These
are
administrative
changes
we
could
make
at
the
back
end.
So
if
there's
improvements,
we've
had
some
feedback
along
the
way
that
we've
already
been
able
to
act
upon.
If
there's
improvements
of
that
nature,
please
let.
B
B
AU
AO
Q
A
I
A
thought
well,
first
I,
first
I'm
very
appreciative
of
the
exception
being
made
for
additional
absences
for
medical
purposes.
Some
of
you
may
know
that
that's
something
I
may
require
going
forward.
I
I'm
very
grateful
for
that.
However,
there's
also
an
element
here
to
which
I'm
wondering
if
we
are
addressing
a
problem
that
doesn't
exist,
I
I
mean
I
I've
been
to
a
few
of
these
meetings.
I
We
don't
see
a
lot
of
empty
seats.
We
don't
see
people
by
and
large
coming
in
virtually
if
they
don't
have
good
and
sufficient
reason.
They're
out
of
town
they're,
not
feeling
well
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if,
if
we're
setting
a
rule,
that's
necessary
I.
Think
people
on
this
Council
make
a
good
faith
effort
to
attend
our
meetings.
They're,
not
you
know,
they're
not
phoning
it.
In
from
you
know
the
bar
at
St,
Julian's
and
and
I
I
I.
Just
you
know,
although.
I
Not
happening
no
bars
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
just
you
know
thinking
that
that
this
is
a
solution
to
a
problem
that
doesn't
exist
and
I
I.
Don't
know
that
we
we
need
to
do
that.
I
H
Thank
you
so
much
it.
It
sounds
like
we're
doing
both
comments
on
this
one
as
well
and
and
I
can
say,
I
agree
with
Mark
because
as
I
was
thinking
this
through,
it's
so
actually
I
understand
the
medical
exemptions.
That's
great
points.
As
a
member
of
council
I've
been
here
for
three
years,
I've
attended
conferences.
H
If
you'd
go
to
one
conference
right,
it's
just
a
week,
you
might
miss
one
council
meeting.
If
you
get
sick,
you
might
want
to
go
virtual
and
I've
attended,
actually
virtual
meetings,
because
I
was
out
of
town
as
opposed
to
not
showing
up
at
all
right
and
then
let's
say
something
else
happened
in
your
life.
I
just
think
this
idea
of
three
I
just
don't
know.
How
did
you
come
up
to
three?
It's
just
a
bit
arbitrary
and
again
I
it.
H
It's
burdensome
as
well
to
us
us,
council
members,
and
we
strive
to
be
here
and
I
can
tell
you.
There
is
nothing
more
stressful
than
community
members,
letting
us
know
that
hey
Junior,
I
didn't
see
you
or
we
expected
you
at
this
council
meeting.
What's
going
on
so
I,
don't
know
if
really
having
this.
These
sets
of
rules
is
really
what's
gonna,
say
Hey,
you
have
to
be
here,
I
just
think
we
live
in
a
community
where
people
care
deeply
and
they
do
Express
themselves
quite
often
to
us.
H
C
Yeah
well,
I
think,
there's
the
why
the
one
piece
in
here
that
I'm
a
little
curious
about
is
just
the
no
more
than
two
council
members
May
participate
in
a
meeting
remotely
I
mean
I,
think
of
a
pandemic.
We're
still
in,
and
you
know
you
take
take
three
of
us
down
and
then
it's
first
come
first
serve
when
we're
all
stricken
with
the
same
thing
and
it
who
didn't
have
to
take
their
kids
in
the
morning
to
school
and
the
other
person
gets
first
dibs.
C
So
I
think
that
one
is
is
maybe
not
in
in
the
best
Spirit
of
the
situation
that
we
currently
find
ourselves
in
May
in
the
future.
I
I.
You
know
with
regards
to
three
three
folks
or
three
meetings:
we're
elected
to
have
to
look
our
constituents
in
our
eyes
and
so
I
think
it's
a
way
in
which
we
hold
ourselves
accountable
and
hold
the
and
the
community
holds
us
accountable.
C
We
it's
so
far
removed
from
that
person
to
person
to
have
to
see
that
emotion.
We
don't
even
see
the
people
that
that
are
remotely
in
here,
but
when
we
get
to
look
at
the
emotion
and
visceral
nature
in
which
people
are
giving
their
testimony,
that's
impactful
and
that's
meaningful
and
so
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
some
level
of
accountability
from
which
we
say
yep.
We're
going
to
make
sure
we're
here.
The
sickness
exemption
is
spot
on.
C
B
G
I'll
be
pretty
quick.
I
do
think
that
the
feedback
we
got
when
we
came
back
from
Community
was
it's
great
to
have
you
back
and,
and
we
didn't
feel
like
you
were
listening
when
you
were
virtual.
G
Some
people
said
that
you
know
we
don't
many
of
us,
don't
answer
emails
or
return
phone
calls
and
the
only
way
that
they
know
that
we're
listening
is
when
we're
present
with
them,
and
you
know
funny
that
I'm
the
one
saying
it
tonight,
because
I'm
I'm
not
there
so
but
but
that
is
what
we're
hearing
and
so
I
think
that's
when,
when
Bob
and
egg
came
up
and
the
committee
with
just
something
for
us
to
to
use
as
an
opening
discussion
point,
was
you
know
three
Felts,
you
know
less
than
a
quarter
of
the
meetings
absent.
G
So
we,
you
know,
we
during
my
tenure
already
went
from
some
I
think
a
bit
over
50
with
all
the
extra
meetings
before
I
got
on
Council
that
were
you
know
you
had
to
be
there
Tuesday
nights
to
just
business
meetings,
so
got
rid
of
half
of
them
in
real
life
and
and
then
building
in
four
absences.
And
then,
after
that
you
know,
it's
not
like
you're
gonna
get
kicked
off
Council
you
just
will
have
to
miss
meetings
and
not
be
able
to
go
virtual
if
there's
not
sickness,
so
I
think
it
it's.
G
It
seems
fair
to
me,
especially
because
we
do
have
staff
to
go
to
most
most
things
that
require
an
in-person,
authentic
interaction,
and
so
you
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
have
lesser
expectations
for
ourselves
than
we
do
for
our
community
and
our
staff,
and
if
community
members
are
making
the
effort
to
get
down
there
most
of
the
time
I
think
we
should
be
there
thanks.
B
Thanks
Rachel,
so
I'll
call
on
myself
and
what
I
wonder
here
is
is
if
we
could
express
an
intention
to
to
be
in
person
for
the
business
meetings
without
being
prescriptive
about
it
so
like
because
I
don't
really
fully
get
the
the
two
limit
of
two
per
I
mean
as
a
facilitator.
It's
definitely
harder.
The
more
people
are
virtual,
but
I,
don't
know
you
know
if
three
people
are
sick.
B
Well,
you
know
three
people
should
should
be
virtual,
but
then-
and
then
so
instead
of
saying
you
know
at
a
maximum
of
three,
if
we
could
have
language
something
to
the
effect
of
there's
an
expectation
that
we
should
strive
to
be
in
person
for
every
business
meeting
where
possible.
However,
it's
understood
that
because
of
sickness
or
travel
or
life
circumstances,
that's
not
always
possible,
so
it
is
permissible
to
be
you
know,
per
yeah
or
other
right.
Then
it's
permissible
to
to
be
virtual
as
as
required,
or
something
like
that.
B
T
Thank
you,
yeah
and
I
I
agree
with
you
Aaron
and
Mark
as
well.
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
I
think
you
know
the
thing
that
I
would
just
add
to
it.
T
Is
that
I
don't
really
like
this
feeling
of
us
deciding
who
has
a
quote-unquote
reasonable
excuse
for
being
sick
or
being
out
or
whatever
it
is
we're
adults
as
Mark
was
pointing
out.
We've
shown
up
right
to
to
the
greatest
extent
possible,
and
most
of
us
are
here
all
the
time.
T
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
that
we
kind
of
risk
doing
if
we
set
and
place
these
really
prescriptive
requirements
is,
it
makes
us
seem
kind
of
inaccessible
a
little
overly
controlling
I.
Think
the
hybrid
environment
really
allows
for
a
different
group
of
people
to
even
consider
running
for
Council.
T
You
know
to
know
that
hey
I'm,
a
single
mom
and
most
days
I've
got
child
care,
but
there
there
may
be
a
few
times
a
year
where
my
child
care
is
sick
or
if
my
kid
is
sick
or
something
like
that
right,
so
it
just.
It
feels
like
it's
making
us
more
accessible
to
just
recognize
that
we
are
we're
adults
and
we're
going
to
try
to
be
here
and
I.
Think
Aaron.
You
know
you're
right.
T
That
is,
we
just
say
we
are
going
to
strive
to
be
in
person
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
and
I
think
it
comes
back
to
just
how
we
communicate
with
each
other
as
well.
But
if
you
know
we
feel
like
it's
a
problem
for
someone,
then
we
should
probably
just
have
an
adult
conversation
with
them
and-
and
you
know,
discuss
that
I
think
you
know.
I
I
do
hear
these
points
about
the
community
Sometimes.
T
Some
members
of
the
community
really
wanting
to
see
us
in
person
and
what
I
would
say
to
that
is
that
ultimately,
our
accountabilities
at
The,
Ballot
Box,
and
if
we're
not
showing
up
for
meetings
and
that's
annoying,
the
community
I
think
there's
going
to
be
accountability
there,
that
we
won't
Escape.
So
I'm
not
too
concerned
about
just
leaving
it
to
us
to
make
those
decisions
about
our
own
lives.
AS
F
Yeah
I
agree:
I,
think
that
you
know
we've
had
flexibility
since
we've
come
back
in
person
and
I
haven't
once
experienced
feeling
like
someone
who
was
not
here
in
person
should
have
been
here
like
I.
It's
just
not
something
that
I
have
seen.
Anyone
on
this
council
do
and
it
seems
like
again.
If
it
becomes
a
problem,
we
could
have
a
conversation.
We
could
Institute
a
rule
at
that
point.
We
can
address
these
issues
as
they
come
up.
F
B
J
Coming
next
a
kitchen
roll,
some
people
are
spend
way
too
much
I'm
just
saying
I'm,
just
saying:
You
Know
Who,
You
Are.
This
is
great
feedback.
The
reason
why
this
even
came
forward
is
well.
We
had
a
long
list
of
things
to
work
on
anyway
and
so
working
working
with
staff,
originally
on
the
on
the
engagement
Committee.
J
Just
so
we
put
a
marker
out
there
just
say:
Hey,
listen,
you
know
is,
is
it
we
actually
started
working
on
this
before
we
had
much
experience
because
remember
we
went
back
to
in
person
in
September
and
it
occurred
to
us.
Like
you
know
later
in
the
year,
we
never
actually
had
an
a
lot
of
discussion
like
we're.
Having
tonight
about
is:
are
there
should
there
be
rules?
Are
there
rules?
What
happens
if
everybody
in
the
community
shows
up
and
a.
J
The
screen
or
hold
on
for
eight
of
us
and
Aaron-
this
is
the
only
person
here
so
that
obviously
hasn't
been
a
problem
and
that's
great
and
so
I
think
Mark.
You
raised
a
good
point,
which
is.
J
We
may
not
have
a
problem
here:
I
like
Aaron's
approach,
which
is
just
Express,
Our
intention,
I,
agree
with
Matt
and
and
Rachel
I
think
we
do
I
think
we're
always
better
when
we're
in
person,
both
with
each
other
and
with
the
community,
so
I
think
but
I
think
people
have
been
great
about
this
I,
like
Aaron's
approach
of
more
of
an
expression
of
intention
rather
than
prescriptive
numbers.
J
Obviously,
if
it
becomes
a
problem,
we
can
Circle
back
on
this
again
and
there
is
going
to
be
a
kitchen
rule
coming
down
the
road,
though
so
in
the
next
packet
from
the
engagement.
Can
you
expect
that
but
I'm
I'm,
fine,
with
Aaron's
suggestion
it's
a
good
middle
ground
and
and
I
think
people
have
been
pretty
good
about
this
in
the
for
four
months,
we've
been
back
yes,.
B
I
Is
very
useful
and,
and
is
a
good
way
forward
and
I
agree
with
with
really
both
Juni
and
Nicole
that,
ultimately,
our
attendance
here
is
going
to
be
judged
by
the
community
and
the
electorate
and
if
they
don't
like
our
attendance
patterns,
we'll
see
that
in
the
next
election
and
to
my
knowledge,
we've
never
had
more
than
one
person
at
a
time
virtual
since
we've
come
back,
maybe
two
once
it
just
hasn't,
been
an
issue
and
and
I
think
we're
all
making
diligent
efforts
to
be
here
and
it
you
know.
AU
AU
B
AU
AU
We
will
proceed
with
that.
Please
watch
for
the
questionnaire
that
Taylor
will
be
sending
out,
because,
if
there's
particular
segments
of
the
community
that
you'd
like
us,
really
to
be
trying
to
reach
out
to
you,
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
feedback
for
me,
so
we
can
support
you.
The
second
issue
has
to
do
with
these
two
ad
hoc,
chats
and
they're,
really
more
designed
as
Taylor
explained
for
some
emerging
topic.
That's
coming
up
that
a
large
group
of
people
might
want
to
talk
to
council.
AU
We
are
proposing
adding
staff
capacity
to
be
able
to
support
up
to
two
of
those
a
year.
We
are
asking
three
council
members
ask
sort
of
chat
individually,
because
you
can't
all
chat
together
but
bring
it
forward
as
a
proposal
so
that
we
know
that
there's
a
significant
interest
on
at
least
a
good
portion
of
counsel
is
current
Council
comfortable
with
that
approach.
B
AU
Okay,
terrific,
thank
you.
The
next
one
is
the
open
comment
and
public
hearing
section.
So
the
first
one
has
to
do
with
the
Community
member
slideshows
during
open
comment
and
public
hearing.
I
AU
I
We
have
not,
and
in
that
event,
I'm
kind
of
concerned
that
we're
again
addressing
a
non-existent
problem
and
some
of
those
slide
presentations.
Putting
aside
the
equity
issue
for
the
moment,
some
of
those
slide
presentations
can
be
quite
helpful
and
substantive
and
when
you're
only
giving
people
two
minutes
to
talk
to
us,
you
know
the
their
two
minutes
is
magnified
if
they
have
a
slide
presentation.
So
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
if
again
we're
we're
addressing
a
problem
that
that
doesn't
quite
exist.
B
H
I.
Think
it's
coming
from
a
place
of
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
going
at
it
in
the
wrong
way,
because
I
just
don't
understand
how
is
it
Equitable
to
take
away
people's
opportunity
to
express
themselves
because
we
know
they
use
those
slide
as
a
way
to
communicate
with
us
and
to
communicate
and
engage
with
us
constructively.
H
So
people
come
here
right
they
put
on
these
presentations,
we
watch
them
and
they
feel
heard
so
I
just
don't
understand
how
taking
that
part
of
their
presentation
away
somehow
make
it
Equitable
and
I
that
was
very,
very
I
was
disappointed.
I
can
say
just
your
word
Nicole
at
this
part
of
the
presentation,
because
I
just
don't
think
it's
fair
and
what
would
be
the
purpose
really
because
I
don't
believe.
That's
an
equity
concern
to
take
that
aspect
of
communicating
and
engaging
with
us
away
from
these
community
members.
H
Is
yes,
and
also
a
comment
of
about
the
presentation
I
just
yeah
I
I'm,
just
not
sure
what
we
are
trying
to
again
to
go
back
to
Mark's
point
I
appreciate
the
work
of
the
engagement
committee
and
they
brought
this
forward
because
of
the
work
that
they've
been
doing,
but
ultimately
I
think
as
we're
considering
bringing
things
before
Council
we
have
to
really
think
about
them
and
what
is
truly
an
equity
issue
or
an
equity
concern.
Thank
you.
G
Judy
Aaron,
and
just
so
that
the
the
criticism
is
lobbed
at
me
and
Bob.
Maybe
over
staff
I
will
say
that,
for
my
part,
the
equity
considerations
are
that
a
lot
of
people,
and
especially
people
who
are
an
expert
at
speaking
to
council
and-
and
you
know,
haven't
watched
a
lot
of
meetings
or
or
been
to
a
lot
of
meetings
or
maybe
don't
have
easy
access
to
computers
or
programs.
That
would
allow
you
to
put
together
a
slide
deck.
They
can't
do
those
those
presentations.
G
So
it's
making
it
easier
for
for
sort
of
anyone
who
might
be
speaking
to
speak
and
also
that
we
have
seen
some
side
Decks
that
have
included
images
of
vulnerable
community
members
without
their
permission
and
and
that
felt
pretty
inequitable
to
me
that
that
they
don't
have
a
choice
to
be
shown
in
in
council
chambers
and
so
one
way
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
putting
people
sort
of
In
Harm's
Way
by
other
people
showing
decks
in
our
in
in
our
council
chambers,
is
to
to
just
have
a
Level
Playing
Field
of
no
one
having
access
to
those
presentations.
C
I
appreciate
those
comments.
Rachel
I
was
going
to
sort
of
go
down
that
path
and
we've
had
some
presentations
where
we
have
individuals
making
personal
attacks
of
another
individual
and
using
their
slides
to
communicate
that,
rather
than
words
and
I,
think
that
accentuation
of
personal
attacks
is
something
we
even
say.
We
don't
want
to
have
happen.
C
I
think
also,
we've
had
also
a
few
images
go
up
of
what
look
to
be
interactions
around
schools
where
there
might
have
been
children,
I
think
in
some
of
those
pictures,
and
so
then
you
have
an
issue
of
displaying
images
of
children
in
the
public
public
domain.
I
Be
subject
to
that
can
I
ask
a
question:
colloquy.
Would
you
be
comfortable
if
all
slides
were
required
to
be
non-pictorial,
in
other
words,
slides
of
information,
charts
graphs?
That
sort
of
thing
does
that
make
it
any
better
for
you,
I.
C
Mean
I
think
sir
yes,
I
mean
I
would
turn
to
our
legal
to
see
if
there's
a
difference
there,
but
certainly
the
issue
of
personal
attacks
showing
pictures
of
people
that
aren't
want
warranted,
I
think
isn't
addressed.
That
I
don't
know
if
it
addresses
all
the
issues
but
but
I
think
that's
a
good
start.
So
I
appreciate
that
recommendation.
That's
a
nice
nice
one
Mark
sure.
L
M
You
I
the
reason
why
I
don't
want
slides
is
because
I
remember
specifically
that
there
was
a
slide
when
they
said
I,
don't
like
these
two
council
members
and
then
they
wrote
their
names
on
there
and
I
was
offended
by
that.
So
we
you
we
have
to
each
one
say
to
ourselves.
Do
we
mind
if
our
name
is
the
next
one?
That's
up
there?
Is
it
gonna?
Is
it
gonna
be
hurtful?
M
Do
we
care
and
I
think
that's
something
to
really
think
about
if
it's
not
like
it's
the
Oscars,
and
we
have
a
few
seconds
where
we
can
like
get
rid
of
it.
If
somebody
puts
some
sort
of
a
curse
word
about
us
or
anybody
on
there
either,
so
it's
a
different
world,
so
I'm
going
to
say
that
since
we
don't
have
any
control-
and
we
start
I'm
going
to
say
that
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea.
AK
I'd
just
like
to
remind
the
council
that
the
council
can
place
reasonable
time
place
and
manner
restrictions
on
First
Amendment
rights.
This
is
a
traditional
public
forum,
so
there
are
broad
rights
here
so
when,
when
thinking
when
thinking
about
limiting
speech
which
slides
our
speech,
you
really
want
to
be
thinking
about
issues
of
disruption
to
the
meeting
access
reasons
to
put
restrictions,
not
just
that.
We
don't
like
the
speech
contained
therein.
B
So
I,
thanks
for
that
Teresa,
so
I
I
would
not
move
forward
with
this
one.
Just
I
people
have
been
done
this
for
many
years.
It's
important
to
some
folks.
I
just
wouldn't
remove
the
capability.
We're
sometimes
accused
of
limiting
public
involvement
in
public
comment,
and-
and
this
would
invite
some
of
those
accusations-
I
wouldn't
in
my
opinions.
I-
would
not
move
forward
with
this
yep
Bob
Lauren
yeah.
J
I'll
I'm
going
to
agree
with
Rachel
that
I
think
this
is
a
good
good
thing
and
I'll
give
you
five
reasons,
some
of
which
have
been
said
before
number
one
equity
and
preparation.
Some
people
know
how
to
make
slides
and
some
people
don't
I,
don't
know
how
to
make
slides
I
would
have
to
pay
somebody
to
make
slides
literally
and
that's
not
right
that
people
have
some
people
have
that
capacity
and
some
people
don't
number
two
to
Mark's
point
about
Jesus
nice
to
follow
along.
J
Third
to
the
Teresa's
point,
we
can't
be
regulating
content,
so
I
think
it's
either
all
slides
or
no
slides,
I,
don't
think
we
can
say
yeah
slides
as
long
as
I
don't
have
pictures
or
slides
as
long
as
I,
don't
mention
members
I,
think
I
think
we
either
say
all
slides
or
no
slides,
because
we
don't
want
it
to
put
ourselves
a
situation
where
somebody's
deciding
what
content
is
good
and
when
content's
not
bad
good.
As
far
as
the
impact
it
is
distracted,
I
find
it
distracting.
J
I've
had
community
members,
say:
hey
I'm,
going
to
come
and
speak
to
council
members
should
I
have
a
slides
and
I
always
say
no
I'm
going
to
look
to
I'm
going
to
look
at
you
I
want
to
listen
to
you.
If
you
have
slides
that
oftentimes
the
slides
have
nothing
to
do
with
what
they're
saying
and
I
tell
people
I
I
just
find
them
distracting
I
find
them
confusing.
I
find
them
not
helpful.
Plus
we've
all
seen
the
fumble
Bumble
fumble
slide,
where's
the
slide
poor.
J
Here
trying
to
find
the
slide,
did
you
send
them
to
me?
Well,
I,
don't
know
next
slide
next
slide.
I
want
more
time,
it's
just
so
annoying
and
not
productive
and
not
helpful
and
I
I
find
the
rudeness
to
staff
in
and
of
itself
a
reason
to
have
these
things,
so
I
absolutely
would
like
to
get
rid
of
slides.
If
someone
wants
to
email
them
to
us,
that's
fine,
you
guys
can
click
click
away
as
they're
talking.
If
you
want.
Q
B
Got
Lauren,
Rachel
and
and
Genie
again
and
I
looked
and
Lauren,
but
I
know
Lauren
and
then
Nicole,
but
I'd
look
to
maybe
do
a
straw
poll
here,
pretty
quick
I'd
rather
than
talk
about
it
for
another
20
minutes.
But
you
haven't
had
your
turn
yet
so
please
go
Lauren.
F
I
think
you
know
anything
that
you
can
say
out
loud.
You
can
also
say
through
email,
so
any
of
the
arguments
that
we're
making
about
people
can
always
email.
Us
images
is
also
true
of
anything
that
they
can
tell
to
say
to
us
verbally
and
so
to
me
that
doesn't
it
is
not
the
same
thing
to
receive
something
in
email
versus
to
have
someone
stand
at
the
diocese
to
sort
of
deliver
their
presentation.
F
I
also
think
that
you
know
in
terms
of
equity,
people
have
different
skill
sets
people
have
you
know
not
everyone
can
speak
quickly.
Not
everyone
can,
you
know,
has
The
Bravery
to
say
all
the
things
they
want
to
say,
but
maybe
they
will
put
together
the
images
that
say
what
they
want
to
say
for
them.
I,
just
don't
think
that
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
limit
those
kinds
of
speeches
in
that
way.
B
T
Point
I'm
kind
of
neutral
in
this,
and
and
what
I
would
say
is
that
if
we
move
forward
with
allowing
slides
to
continue,
if
folks
do
put
up
a
picture
or
something
like
that,
as
somebody
whose
picture
has
been
put
up
while
somebody
was
complaining
to
me
I
I
would
just
say
you
know
that
that's
fine
if
they
want
to
do
that.
That
is
okay.
What
I
would
appreciate,
though,
is
a
word
of
support
from
you
know,
my
colleagues
of
just
hey.
You
know
we
noticed
that
probably
didn't
feel
really
good.
T
H
I
can
again
I
understand
your
perspective
on
Equity,
but
you
can.
How
do
I
put
it?
It's
almost
saying,
let's
take
away
your
car
because
there
are
people
without
cars
right
who
can't
afford
cars
right,
so
we
can't
necessarily
look
at
it
that
way,
and
it's
exactly
what
Lauren
said
that
we
all
have
different
skills,
and
you
know
if
you
can't
make
slide
I'm
so
sorry,
but
for
those
who
would
like
to
participate
in
that
meaningful
manner,
we
should
allow
it,
and
maybe
part
of
the
conversation
should
be.
H
Rather,
what
are
the
rules
around
using
slides?
Maybe
we
can
find
ways
to
perfect
that
rule,
as
opposed
to
say
no
slides,
because
your
next,
you
know
your
neighbor
can't
use.
They
don't
know
how
to
use
slides
right
or
maybe
we
can
help
them
figure
it
out
and
also
yeah
I
understand
the
comments
about
using
people
and
I.
Remember
I
saw
that
slide
as
well
when
I
remember
that
Community
member
had
or
on
house
community.
H
H
Okay,
also
yeah
and
and
as
far
I
I
did
see,
that
name
as
well.
I
remember
when
that
came
up
as
well.
That
was
another
thing
that
made
me
feel
a
certain
kind
of
way
that
wow
this
is
this
feeling
negative,
because
that's
my
fellow
council
member,
and
if
that
happened
to
me,
I,
would
feel
bad,
so
I
I
think
maybe
part
of
it
again
is
eventually
having
a
conversation
about
rules.
What
type
of
things
can
you
display
as
opposed
to
not
displaying
anything
at
all?
Thank
you.
G
It's
either
either
we
have
slides
and
people
can
bring
what
they
want,
including
you
know,
pictures
of
of
community
members
in
in
various
states
of
this
robe.
If
they
want
and-
and
we
won't
have
seen
them
in
advance-
we
can't
see
them
in
advance.
We
know
we're
not
going
to
ask
staff
to
do
that.
So
it's
all
or
nothing
is
that
accurate
Theresa.
AK
So
there's
a
somewhat
recent
U.S
Supreme
Court
case
called
Reed
that
goes
to
content.
Neutral
regulations
of
signs,
in
particular,
I
would
say,
slides
are
pretty
close
to
signs
and
they
their
regulation
does
have
to
be
content
neutral.
So
to
answer
your
question
very
directly:
Rachel
that's
right
to
put
rules
regulates
the
content
that
is
displayed
and-
and
forgive
me
it
perhaps
it
should
have
occurred
to
me
earlier
with
the
sort
of
images
versus
text.
AK
G
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
So
just
to
clarify,
that's
that's
largely
why
the
subcommittee
made
the
recommendation
that
we
did.
We
didn't
didn't,
want
to
get
into
regulating
content
and
and
can't
and
so
thought
it
was
probably
fairest
to
the
community
and
and
people
who
who
we
can't
apologize
to
because
they're
not
sitting
next
to
us,
they're
like
that,
must
have
felt
bad
like
they're,
not
there.
They
might
not
even
know
that
happen,
and
it's
really
crummy
that
it's
happening.
Okay,.
B
Thanks
point
taken:
so
let's:
let's
do
a
straw
poll
here
on
if
you
can
raise
your
hand
if
you
support
the
recommendation
to
eliminate
Community
member
slideshows
during
open
comment,
raise
your
hand
if
you
support
that
got
one
two
three
four,
not
quite
not
quite
not
quite
so
very
close,
but
not
quite
support
for
that.
So
looks
like
we'll
allow
those
to
continue.
B
AO
AU
AU
Was
this
slideshow
would
have
been
a
real
change
and
the
hybrid
Council
attendance
would
have
been.
AU
B
B
But
have
that
language
still
be
in
there
but
to
express
the
intention,
but
without
it
being
a
prescriptive
rule.
AU
B
AK
AU
AU
B
B
Okay,
so
so
that,
oh
sorry,
sorry
right
breaking
our
own
rules.
So
that's
the
end
of
our
agenda,
but
Nicole
there's
something
that
you
want
to
bring
up
here.
V
T
Just
wondering
about
so
I
heard
that
there
is
a
meeting
happening
next
week,
that
is,
with
a
group
in
the
community.
That's
been
concerned
about
safety
that
a
couple
of
us
are
maybe
planning
to
attend,
along
with
some
other
County
State,
potentially
officials,
I,
don't
know
sort
of
who
all
was
invited
versus
who's
going.
T
But
it
just
made
me
wonder
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
open
meetings,
and
you
know
the
degree
to
which
we
are
publicizing
meetings,
especially
meetings
that
we
are
we're
at
with
community
members
that
are
also
involving
other
elected
officials
and
kind
of
what.
What
some
of
the
rules
are
around
that
a.
AK
Three
or
more
members
of
the
body
are
in
attendance
they're
to
open
meetings.
Law
is
clear
that
there
are
exceptions
to
that.
If
you
have
fewer
numbers
on
the
body,
but
for
us
for
for
a
nine-member
body,
three
people,
along
with
some
other
criteria,
constitutes
a
meeting,
so
council
members
are
free
to
attend
meetings
individually
or
where
one
other
council
member
is
in
attendance.
AK
AK
That
being
noticed,
open
meeting
to
my
knowledge,
that's
not
what
this
meeting
is
to
my
knowledge,
that
this
meeting
is
a
a
meeting
at
the
invitation
of
a
Community
member
that
has
I
believe
two
council
members
attending
a
variety
of
other
elected
officials,
but
in
terms
of
us
counting
up
heads
for
the
open
meetings
law.
We
only
count
our
own
local
government
body.
T
I
know
it
does,
and
I
mean
it's
making
me
wonder,
though
you
know,
because
I
would
I
would
very
much
like
to
have
a
community
conversation
about
safety,
because
I
think
that
you
know,
we've
been
hearing
a
lot
about
safety
from
one
group
in
our
community
that
has
a
definition
of
what
safety
means
to
them.
But
safety
means
a
lot
of
different
things
to
a
lot
of
different
people
and
I
would
just
really
love
for
us.
T
You
know
if
we
are
kind
of
thinking
about
what
safety
is,
and
you
know
incorporating
that
into
the
parts
of
our
brains
that
are
helping
us
make
policy
decisions
that
we're
also
thinking
about
it
in
a
way
that
is
recognizing
that
that
safety
has
different
definitions
and-
and
it's
just
I
think
it's
something
that,
for
me
has
been
coming
out
a
lot
when
I'm
hearing
some
parents
talk
about.
You
know
safety
around
the
schools
for
a
lot
of
us
parents
of
kids
who
are
are
different.
T
Safety
actually
is
a
concern
in
the
schools
and
when
our
kids
are
out
and
about
around
town
in
stores
and
and
rest
restaurants,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
would
just
really
love
for
us
to
think
about
broadening
our
discussion
about
safety,
and
you
know
if
it
is
anything
that
we
can
fit
in
anywhere
to
just
have
a
sort
of
a
community
meeting
about
what
safety
means.
That's
much
more
inclusive
of
different
perspectives.
B
Any
other
thoughts
here
where
it
at
the
end
of
our
meeting
anybody
have
any
final
thoughts
before
we
get
done
all
right.
Seeing
none!
I'll!
Gavel
is
closed.
It
closed.