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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
the
video
transcript.,
is
there
for
folks
if
they
want
to
do
listen
to
the
more
detailed
discussion..
If
there's
nuances,
do
that,.
So
I
don't
want
to
get
the
expectation
up
for
the
group
that
you
will
be
getting
these
types
of
minutes
moving
forward,,
because
that's
not
the
case.
summary
and.
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
a
planning
word,
will
request
a
down
presence.,
kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:
typically,.
It's
been
our
care,
the
dab
chair
that
goes
to
represent.,
but
sometimes
that's
rotated
through
on
who's
available..
So
it
just
needs
to
be
you
know,.
It's
helpful.
If
there's
someone
that
wants
to,,
you
know,
be
that
person
for
the
month,
or.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:
for
a
project
to
go
and
represent..
I
believe,
court,,
rory,,
you've
done
that,,
too.,
right?,
you've
been
to
dab.
yeah.
and
the
way
that
I
thought
it
worked
really
well
is,.
I
mean,,
if
you're
the
latest
on
that
sitting
in
the
meeting
with
us.,
and
I
think
at
surface
level,.
It's
the
idea
that
you're
kind
of
armed
with
more
information
than
just
a
meeting
packet
right?,
because
you
watch
the
conversation,
and
then
I
would
say,,
based
on
your
judgment,
of
the
nature
of
the
conversation,,
the
amount
of
detail
or
nuance.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:.
That
would
be
helpful
if
you
then
say,
hey,,
that
was
a
pretty
tricky
project,
or
that
you
guys
had
a
lot
of
really
critical,
feedback,
etc.,,
based
on
what
we
just
heard..
They
wanna,
be
all
make
yourselves
available
to
give
an
overview
or
be
available
to
answer.
Questions.
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Rory
bilocerkowycz,
dab:,
I
think
when
I
sat.,
they
asked
me
to
just
be
available
for
clarification.
Questions,
and
I
ended
up
sitting
through
a
4
h.
Planning
board
meeting.,
they
didn't
ask
me
questions,,
which,
which
is
fine,
right,
is
to
support
the
process
as
needed.
and
so,.
Even
if
there's
any
inkling
that
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
somebody
involved,,
I
think
there's
enough
of
us
that
are
interested.
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ash,,
dab:
sort
of
coming
into
this
working
group
as
an
architect
has
has
been
really
eye-opening,
because
in
my
mind
it's
like,
oh,.
We
see
a
big,
change,
and
and
buildings
are
torn
down
and
rebuilt.
and
it's,
you
know,
a
year
or
2,
or
whatever
it
takes
for
the
construction
depending
on
the
size.
and.
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dab:,
you
know
who
is
on
the
who's
on
the
board,
just
because
you
weren't
there..
So
it's
it's.
This
multi
board
working
group.-
just
to
sum
up
the
last
conversation.:
this
is
the
first
time
that
they've
really
had
this
type
of
discussion..
Usually
it's
the
planning
board
and
staff,
we're
planning
staff
that
that
goes
to
these
other
boards,
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
time,
and
it's
not
as
cohesive
of
a
conversation.,
so
they're
trying
this.
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ash,
dab:
joint
board
where?.
These
are
all
the
representatives..
These
are
all
the
boards
being
represented
represented.,
so
parking,
tdm,
design,
advisory,
environment,
advisory,
housing,
advisory,
human
relations,
committee,,
open
space
board
of
trustees,
parks
and
rec
advisory
planning,
board
and
transportation.
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dab:
it's.,
it
seems
like
it's
been
a
little
bit
problematic
and
less
so.,
so
they
have
several
different
use.
Uses
in
there.
mixed
use.
Transit.
oriented
development
is
what
they're
trying
to
designate
to
this
new
the
phase
2,
but
in
phase
one.
they
have
a
lot
of
different
uses,
mixed
use,
industrial
being
one
of
them.,
but
it's
created
this
this.
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ash,
dab:
and
then
each
of
those
commercial
spaces
are,
are
empty
and
not
being
occupied..
It's
just
not
as
successful,
I
think,
as
if
they
had
concentrated..
So
that's
one
thing:
they're
gonna
try
and
do
on
phase
2
and
then,
secondly,
the
proposed
urban
design
character
that
was
kind
of
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
the
end
of
the
presentation..
But
I
thought
that
was.
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brendan
ash,
dab:
was
something
that
we
can
touch
on
and
speak
to
as
opposed
to
the
transportation
maps.
and
this
sort
of
was
more
in
our
purview,.
So
improving
architectural
design
and
variety,
architectural
landscape
design.
Ideas
for
successful
pedestrian
corridors
and
pace
is
a
big.
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dab:
and
so
stephen
eckert,
dab:,
it's
sort
of
like
a
plaza.,
but
there's
no
stephen
eckert,
dab:
visual
access
to
the
plaza
except
goose
creek,,
and
I
think
that's
probably
a
fantasy
that
everybody,
is,
gonna,
be
like.
oh,,
ride
their
bike
and
then
have
a
go.
have
a
beer.
It
hasn't
like.
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are
we
small,
brendan
ash,
dab:
course,
on
the
brendan
ash,
dab:
lights.?
I
don't
know.
ii
do
find
when
you
can't
park
there,
right?,
I
mean
a
funny
way.
actually,.
If
you
could
park,,
there
would
actually
activate
it
more,.
Even
though
you'd
have
cars
there.
it's
kind
of
interesting.
yeah.,
so
we
have
discussed.
and
I
guess,
if
we're
gonna.
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dab:
could
happens
relatively
soon.
they're
in
in
having
good
conversations
right
now
with.
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ash,
dab:
ii
get
the
sense
that
this
is
still
the
most
successful
space,
because
it
has
allowed
more
flexibility
than
some
of
these
other,
which
are
more
rigid
in
their
designations..
But
it's
it's
just
very
quiet
back
here..
I
think,
that
there's
this
isn't..
If
you
turn
around,,
you
can
see
this
building.
actually.
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ash,
dab:,
you
know,.
Some
of
these
lots
are
enormous,,
especially
in
in
this
phase,
too,,
at
the
end
of
the
the
women's
place,
loop
and
having
opportunity
to
not
only
break
up
this
lot,
for
example,,
but
but
also
create
some
transportation
connections,,
whether
they're
roads
or
by
paths,
or
so.
I
think
that
breaking
up
these
lots
has
some.
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ash,
dab:
and
what
they're
hearing
is
that
they
want
to
maintain
and
encourage
local
small
businesses,
light
industrial
services,,
retail,,
etc.
because
there
is
some
good
industrial,
you
know,
in
the
boulder
soccer,
and
in
that
center
swath.
There
are
some
industrial
uses,
there.
and
then
again,
south
of
pearl
street.
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ash,
dab:,
you
know,.
If
we
provide
the
house
attainable,
housing,
you
know.,
they
also
need
to
have
opportunities
for
for
parks
and
big
parks
and
playgrounds,
and
and
then
also
jobs,,
you
know,
making
sure
that
they.
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dab:
you
know,
people
would
be
able
to
easily
access
like
today
on
the
20
ninth
street
mall..
I
just
needed
to
run
in
a
very
quick
errand.,
but
there's
parking
on
that
street,
is.
there's
no
time
limit..
So
you
have
employees
probably
just
parking
all
day
long
in
these
parking
spots,
right?
and
ii
feel
like
it.
would.
people
would
use
that
mall
more
if
they
thought
that
they
could.
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ash,
dab:,
when
you
start
looking
at,
for
example,-
and
I
didn't
know
this
before,,
but
you
know,.
If
you
try
and
make
a
the
requirements
for
an
overpass
over
the
rail
tracks,
is,
is
insane,
and
then
you
can't
make
it.
it
has
to
be
so
high,
and
then
you
can't
make
it.
you
know,
ada,
accessible.
If
you
don't.,
if
you
don't
have.
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ash,
dab:,
so
other
focus
groups,
responses
for
property
and
business
owners
in
that
area
expressed.
Caution
was
requiring
too
much
mixed
use,
and
I
think
that
was
lessons
learned
from
phase.
one
emphasize,,
adaptive
reuse,
organic
change,,
architectural
variety
and
innovation.
creativity.
eclectic.,
5
of
south
goose,
creek
and
then.
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eckert,
dab:,
you
know
the
buildings,
stephen
eckert,
dab:,
be
right
next
to
each
other,
or
have
very
small
slots..
I
mean,,
there's
again.
you'd
have
total
flexibility.
you
know,
and
how
you
do
if
you
have,,
you
know,
setbacks
all
the
way.
Around.
then
you're,
again.
you're,
just
back
in
these
kind
of.
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ash,
dab:
mixes
of
use
and
taller,
larger
buildings.,
brendan
ash,,
dab:,
again,
kind
of
that
density.
conversation
maintained,
light
industrial
and
service
uses
and
more
green
areas
and
gathering
spaces.
and
then
how
it
was,
how
it's
going
to
be
addressed.
mutd,
that
mixed
use,
transit,
oriented
development.
land
use
is
the
most
flexible
land.
use
category.
the
mui
applied
to
old,
pearl
street.
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ash,
dab:,
when
we
got
the
meeting
summary
from
our
meetings
and
the
key
takeaways.
that
I've
added
to
the
slide,
where
that
some
board
members
express
support
for
the
mui
land
use
designation
along
all
pearl
street
to
encourage
ongoing
access
to
jobs
and
community
services..
That's
what
I
was
saying:
about.
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ash,
dab:,
very
flexible.,
brendan
ash,
dab:
and
brendan
ash,
dab:,
and
what
can
be
built
in
there?.
Several
members
remarked
that
retail
is
to
disperse
in
phase
one,
and
like
the
idea
of
concentrating
retail
around
future
notes
of
activity..
If
there's
a
slide
in
a
bit
that
calls
out
this
as
being
the
main,
a
main
creating
like
a
main
street.
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focused
on
transportation.,
so
we
did
get
a
lot
of
meeting
takeaways
from
it..
A
lot
of
conversation
came
up
about
this
particular
connection,,
which
you
know,.
If
you
look
at
this
map
it
to
me,
it
feels
like
a
somewhat
of
an
island,.
I
mean,
they
really
cut
off
by
and
foothills.
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ash,
dab:
and
then,
so,,
knowing
that
we
can't
do
underpasses
everywhere.
there,
there
really
is.,
just
goose
creek
is
essentially,
and
then
and
perl,
our
biggest
connections
right
here,
and
then
they
would
have
a
connection
to
the
training
station,.
Obviously,
and
then
there
there
was
conversation.
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ash,
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brendan
ash,
dab:
sort
of
reallocating
spaces
in
here.
and
then
these
pedestrian
quarters
and
pace.-
and
you
know
what
makes
what
makes
this
successful.
and
it,
steven,
a
lot
of
what
you've
been
saying
about
the
0
lotline
opportunity
and
pedestrian
opportunities..
But
this,.
Just
like
this
image
feels
cozy.
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it
feels
like
it's
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
observational
opportunities
in
phase
one.
so
cause
it.
Wasn't
that
whole
concept
in
phase,
one
like
a
wounderer.
and
there
was
like
no
cars.
beer
garden
spills
out
into
the
street.
and
you
you
do
have
splunk
right
there,
like
we,,
said
rocky
mountain
institute..
I
I'm
under
the
impression
google
is
now
requiring
all
employees
to
come
back
to
the
office..
So
I
think
we've
only
seen
a
fraction
of
the
bodies
that
come
in
and
out
of
the
google
campus
caddy
corner.
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I
don't
know.,
I
think
it's
it's
conflicting
for
sure.
well,,
it's
interesting,,
because
right
across
foothills
is
just
more
of
that..
That
arguably
has
more
of
the
organic
piece
in
it,,
because
you
got
like
vision,
quest
brewery,
tucked
in
there.,
you've
got
that
divine
spirits
or
whatever,,
and
they
kind
of
throw
parties
and
stuff.
they're
literally
just.
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eckert,
dab:
and
we'll
encourage
you
to
do
it,
you
know,,
but
but
where
it
ends
up
it's
a
little
bit
like.
you
know.,
you
walk,
around,,
see,
use,
campus,
and
there's
like
a
you,
know,
cut
off
on,
you
know,
cross
up
green
or
something,,
because
that
was
like
actually
where
it
needed
to
be,
rather
than.
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ash,
dab:,
so
I
you
know,,
I
think,
what
the
industrial
it's
in
there
now
is
raised
a
little
bit,,
but
it's
like
loading
dock
height,,
which
is
kind
of
perfect
for
the
use
that
are
in
there,,
although
now
none
of
them
are
warehouses,
anymore.
and
except
for
the
shipping
center,,
scarpa
and
lasiva,.
Those
are
both
national
distribution,
centers.,
yeah,
and
off
and
office
sort
of
mixed.
yeah.
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eckert,
dab:
did
you
see
the
fremont
troll.
my
friend
built
that
steven
danes.,
so
it's
under
the
over
the
overpass.
there's
a
giant
troll..
It
was
like
where
people
were
shooting
up
heroin
and
stuff.,
so
he
went
in
with
students
from
uw.
and
they
built
a
giant
troll,
and
he's
like
eating
a
volkswagen..
But
and
now
it's
become
like
a.
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Stephen
eckert,
dab:
place
where
people
go.
people
have
weddings..
I
mean,
it's
crazy
stuff.
and
this
is
a
long
time
ago,,
but
it
transforms
that
whole
fremont,
neighborhood
well,
in
the
fremont
has
all
the
boutiques,,
but
then
they
do
have
a
few
of
these
like
larger
kind
of
brewery
distillery
components,,
because
there
was
opportunity
for
that.,
but
I
think,,
as
you
guys,
are
talking
about
the
pose
and
the
green
space
back
to
some
earlier
comments
about
the
lot
size.
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Rory:,
I
think
that's
spot
on,
like
there's
a
bund
because
of
the
topography
there.
they
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
like
angular,
roads,
and
crossing
the
grid,
which
ends
up
with
these,
like
cute
little
flat
iron
type
sites
that
pretty
much
90%
of
them
were
like
boutiques
or
ice
cream,
shops,
or
smoothly..
You
know
something
that
was
like
achievable.
if
you're
just
gonna
like.
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Rory:,
it's
tricky,
though,
like
that
new
delhi,
curtis
park,,
deli,
or
whatever
it's,.
It's
really
good,,
but
there's
no
way
to
get
there.
if
you
don't
live
above
it.,
there's
a
parking
garage
under
it
off
of
an
alley,
and
if
the
idea
is
you're,
gonna,
run
and
grab
a
quick
cup
of
coffee
and
a
breakfast
sandwich
on
your
way
to
work..
That's
a
30
min
effort
to
park.
It's
in
one
of
the
buildings
that
just
came
online
that
it's
next
to
like
hot
works
and
all
that..
It's
basically.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:,
because
there's
no
time
limit
on
that
parking.
did.
were
you
here
for
that?
oh,
yeah,
like,
run
into
a
store,
because
you
know,
somebody
blue
lemon
is
parked
in
that
coolest
street.
like
as
I
get
to
the
intersection,,
I
always
want
to
drive
down.
and
I'm
like
there's.
Definitely
no
fucking
parking.
F
Brendan
ash,
dab:
yeah.
rory:
and
you
can't
access
the
garage
from
that
side..
So
basically,.
If
you
go
down
that
road,
which
is
the
cutest
little
road
in
the
development.
yeah,,
it's
a
one
time
like
you.,
just
you
fingers
crossed,,
but
there's
no
like,
oh,.
You
know
what
I'm
gonna
bail
out
and
like
that
would
have
been
smart
if
they
had
a
way
to
access
underground.
From
that
side
of
the
development.
G
Brendan
ash,
dab:
yeah,,
I
mean,.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
times
where
some
of
those,
some
of
those
places
where
you
just
need
to
run
in
quickly.
like,.
I
had
a
site
visit
on
eleventh
and
pearl
today.
and
I
just
needed
to
like.
run
in
quickly,
and
it
just
your
fingers
crossed..
If
I
didn't
have
parking,
then
I
was
just
tomorrow,.
You
know,,
it's
like
trip
downtown,
or
whatever
like.
G
Brendan
ash,
dab:,
it's
hard..
I
think
that
brendan
ash,
dab:
like,,
I
said,
parking-
is
I'm
mixed
on
that.,
but
I
think
you
guys
brought
up
another
good
point.
that
I
wrote
down
in
here
about
the
rhi,,
the
rhino
transit
oriented
development,
that's
happening.
and
and
the
huge
numbers
of
huge
amount
of
parking
required
for
that.
F
Rory:,
but
I
mean,
it's,
it's
actually
rory:
pretty
full
often,
and
it's
nice
cause.
It's
like
that..
That's
that
direct
express
bus
to
the
airport.
they've
got
the
direct
stuff,
for,.
You
know,
sport
events
and
union
station
and
things,,
but
they
can
support
it
because
people
are
actually
like.
They
can
drive
there
and
part
and
leave
it
for
a
week..
It's
a
reasonable,,
you
know.,
it's
like
it's,
I'm
confused
how
we
have
a
transit
center.
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robles,
pb:,
these
types
that
you
see
showing
up
here
were
originally
developed
at
least
community
plan..
So
there
is
a
plan..
If
you
want
to
look
and
see,
what's
intended,
that
neighborhoods
that
you
were
talking
about,,
that's
right,
across.,
it's
pretty
cool,
and
that's
the
one
that
ii
roll
a
concern
about
it
becoming.
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:,
we've
already
heard
like
they
may
do.
Another
working
group.-
I
don't
know
it.
just
this
pilot..
Maybe
you
know
the
thing
that
goes
to
that
project,
too..
So
we
just
have
to
kind
of
wait
and
see
how
that
that
may
shake
out.
but
yes,
for
each
folder
in
those
activity,
areas
and.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
the
dab
back
in,
back
into
it,,
just
because
it's
like,,
you
know,.
I
was
geeking
out
over
a
little
bit,
and
also
happy
that
they
made
some
changes.,
but
we
cannot..
You
know
I
didn't
want
it
to
be
a
re
review..
I
just
wanted
to
be
like
a
oh,
they!.
This
is
where
they
started,,
and
this
is
where
they
are.
so
colony
suggested,
and
we
believe
we
cannot,.
We
cannot
do
that.,
so
colony
suggested
that
maybe
we
do
a.
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Brendan
ash,
dab:
was
hoping
to
make
it
more
of
a
of
a
board
discussion,
rather
than
just
you
know,
like
there
was
a
public
comment
in
the
beginning
of
our
last
meeting,
and
it
my
words
got
a
little
bit
misconstrued
and
twisted,,
and
it's
just
like,.
You
know
I
don't.,
I
don't
want
the
board
thing.,
that's
actually
what
I
said
in
the
planning
board
meeting..
So
I
just
it.
it's
just
very
interesting
project,
and
I
think
it'd
be
really
cool
to.
I
D
Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:
either
put
together
the
presentation
or
kind
of
go
through
and
look
at
the
evolution
of
the
design.
this,.
I
mean,.
We
only
have
3
numbers
tonight.,
so
maybe
tonight's
not
the
best
night
to
see
who
wants
to
dig
into
something
like
this..
Maybe
next
month
is
a
good
time.,
but,
rory,
you're
here
tonight,
so
we
could
get
an
answer.
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Kalani
pahoa,
city
of
boulder:
we're
we're
right,
now,,
not
staff,,
to
do
this.,
we
don't.,
we
just
don't
have
the
manpower
right
now
to
do
another
project
evaluation
you
know,,
maybe
after
the
new
year..
But
if
it's
something
that
that
the
board
wants
to
lead
and
the
design,,
we
can
definitely
try
to
get
you
the
resources
on
that
end
and.
D
F
Rory:,
the
particular
component
of
it,-
or
I
guess,
when
in
the
lifespan
of
this
proposal,,
is
the
appropriate
time
to
actually
reflect
on
it
like
after?.
Is
it
at
a
point
where
it's
appropriate,
after
all,
of
the
any
hearings
that
may
be
associated
with
it.?
So
if
it's
subject
to
call
up
after
this.
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Rory:,
quick
ones
on
the
city
where
they
like
submitted.,
propose
like,,
here's,
our
facade
materials
and
the
color.,
and
then
it
was
like
what
got
built
did
not
look
like
that..
So
that
was
a
little
bit
trickier
to
piece
together,,
because
nobody
wanted
to
communicate
that
professionally,.
You
know,,
because
nobody
was
trying
to
document
that
they
were
doing
that.