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5-5-21 Environmental Advisory Board Meeting
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C
Very
good
well
good
evening,
everyone.
We
are
very
pleased
that
you
could
join
us
and
as
a
part
of
the
city's
process,
for
these
online
digital
meetings,
we
have
to
be
thoughtful
about
how
we
are
creating
both
a
meaningful
and
transparent
engagement
process
and
promoting
online
security.
So
we
have
the
following
rules
for
all
city,
public
meetings.
The
meetings
are
called
to
conduct,
order
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
city
of
boulder
activities
that
disrupt
delay
or
otherwise
interfere
with
the
meetings
are
prohibited.
C
The
time
for
speaking
or
asking
questions
may
be
limited
in
this
case.
The
public
comment.
Periods
for
environmental
advisory
board
are
three
minutes.
No
person
shall
speak,
except
when
recognized
by
the
person,
presiding
and
no
person
shall
speak
for
longer
than
that
time
allotted
each
person
shall
register
to
speak
at
the
meeting.
Using
that
person's
real
name,
any
person
believed
to
be
using
a
pseudonym
will
not
be
permitted
to
speak
at
the
meeting.
C
No
video
will
be
permitted,
except
for
city
officials,
employees
and
invited
speakers
or
presenters.
All
other
participants
will
be
by
voice.
Only
the
person
presiding
at
the
meeting
shall
enforce
these
rules
by
muting.
Anyone
who
violates
any
rule
if
the
chat
function
is
enabled
it
will
be
used
for
individuals
to
communicate
only
with
the
host
and
it
will
be
used
only
for
technical
or
online
platform
related
questions
if
an
attendee
attempts
to
use
chat
for
any
other
reason
other
than
seeking
assistance
from
the
host.
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B
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E
B
E
B
E
B
E
B
A
A
A
It's
desperately
in
need
of
that
and
I'm
never
gonna
find
one
like
that.
You
know.
So
what
are
you?
The
eab
gonna
do
to
find
me
a
contractor
when
he's
got
plenty
of
money
to
put
up
a
new,
you
know:
have
you
seen
across
from
the
chamber
of
commerce
there's
an
army
of
high-end
condos
there,
like
they're
like
on
every
corner.
A
A
You
know,
and
and
what
are
you
gonna
do
about
alpine
balsam
coming
up?
You
know
like
that
hospital
should
not
be
taken
down.
I
mean
the
medical
pavilion.
They
could
have
sprayed
insulation
on
the
outside
and
put
new
siding
on
the
side.
If
it
was
low
on
its
energy
efficiency,
they
didn't
need
to
friggin,
get
it
for
40
million
dollars
or,
however
many
million
they
spent
of
city
money.
It
was
a
high
end
indoors.
Have
you
ever
been
in
the
boulder
medical
pavilion?
A
It
was
high-end
stuff
and
they
freaking
gutted
it,
and
this
happened
in
boulder
on
eab's
watch.
Why
and
now
they're
going
to
carry
that
hospital
out.
You
know
it's
a
beautiful
integrated
system
there,
the
pavilion
into
the
hospital,
the
hospital
a
little
bit
straighter
lines.
That's
the
only
difference.
You
can
change
that.
There's
still
the
whole
parking
lot
to
put
a
new
stuff
on,
but
you
know,
there's
got
to
be
more
creativity
in
boulder
for
doing
redoing,
pre-existing
housing
and
pre-existing
freaking
hospitals.
A
B
G
G
A
B
G
I'm
sorry
I
apologize,
I
should
have
been
better
prepared,
so
I'd
I'd
like
for
eab
to
take
an
interest
in
the
electric
resource
plan,
that's
going
on
at
the
puc,
so
I
don't
know
that
that's
on
your
agenda,
probably
not
for
tonight,
but
maybe
at
some
point
you
guys
can
take
a
look
at
something.
That's
very
important
to
all
of
colorado's
future,
including
boulder
and
that's
excel,
is
decarbonizing
but
we'd
like
them
to
go
faster
and
further.
We
like
boulder
to
be
able
to
accomplish
our
goal
of
100
renewable
electricity.
G
B
B
We
have,
as
a
first
item
on
the
agenda,
to
return
to
what
we
were
sort
of
finishing
on
last
month,
which
was
discussing
the
sort
of
existing
climate
commitment
document
that
that
has
been
shared
and
hopefully,
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
I
know
it
came
a
little
bit
abrupt,
maybe
last
meeting
it's
worth
circling
back
to
it.
The
city
is
working
you
on
revisiting
some
aspects
of
this.
It's
informative
stages,
still
for
and
and
brett
gave
us
some
insight
on
that
last
month.
B
B
B
There
are
four
action
areas
that
are
called
out
in
it,
and
the
most
extensive
one
in
in
the
climate
action
plan
is
on
energy,
which
makes
sense.
The
energy
aspect
makes
sense,
because
the
stated
goal
in
that
document
is
for
an
80
reduction
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2050
for
the
city.
As
I
understand
it,
and
the
vast
majority
arises
from
the
energy
that
we
use
to
just
do
our
work
and
live
our
lives,
so
this
gets
very
much
in
our
community
now.
B
My
read
of
of
the
plan
is
to
achieve
that
by
three
activities
and
these
need
to
be
kind
of
going
on
at
the
same
time.
So
three
simultaneous
not
sequential,
and
this
isn't
necessarily
in
the
order
of
importance,
but
it
could
be
the
first
one
is
to
improve
efficiency
in
how
the
energy
is
used
in
everything
that
we
do.
B
The
second
was
to
electrify
energy
use
in
what
we,
how
we
do
our
work
and
how
we
live
our
lives
and
the
third
one
was
to
replace
coal
and
natural
gas
with
a
wind,
solar,
green
energy.
If
you
will
clean
energy,
let
me
call
it
that
I
think
that's
the
phrase
that
more
commonly
used,
not
clean
energy
for
the
grid
electricity.
B
So
here's
so
that
that's
just
a
summary
of
what
I
read
and
here
are
the
points
that
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
discuss
a
little
bit.
The
document
estimates
that,
as
of
2015,
the
total
electricity
usage,
the
equivalent
that
would
include
automobile
mobility
and
the
actual
electrical
uses
in
in
in
in
homes
and
in
in
commercial
buildings,
was
somewhere
between
285
to
380
megawatts
that's
residential,
commercial
and
mobility.
B
That's
how
much
electricity
would
be
the
equivalent
usage
to
do
what
we've
been
doing,
at
least
as
of
2015.,
and
so
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
on
that
one,
and
that
was
how
much
has-
and
I
don't
know
that
anyone
has
the
numbers
here,
so
this
is
kind
of
to
brett.
If
he
has
some
insight
since
that
2015
estimate,
how
much
has
the
boulder
energy
consumption
now
we've
had
five
years
and
what
is
the
trajectory
for
the
next
five
years?
B
What
I'm
trying
to
get
out
here,
brett
a
little
bit,
is
you
know,
are
we
able
to?
Are
we
in
the
right
direction?
Are
we
reducing
our
total
electrical
equivalent
electric
usage,
or
are
we
kind
of
running
uphill,
that
is
to
say
we're
actually
growing?
The
city
is
growing,
it's
electricity
use
is
growing,
so
we
even
have
a
harder
pull
push
up
the
hill
so
to
speak.
Any
thoughts.
C
Our
per
capita
use
is,
is
trending
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
plays
into
this
discussion
is
what
is
the
source
of
the
of
the
electrons
that
you're
using
so
yes
conservation
is
always
an
important
thing
to
try
to
emphasize,
but
I
think
more
of
the
emphasis
has
been
heading
towards
changing
the
source
energy.
You
know,
in
other
words,
reducing
the
amount
of
energy
generated
by
coal
and
natural
gas,
so
sort
of
depaul's
comments
from
earlier.
It's
really
important
that
we
be
focusing
on
that.
C
I
also
just
while
I'm
talking
to
say
this
whole
issue
of
the
the
balance
of
energy
and
where
it's
coming
from
is
really
going
to
be
one
of
the
center
pieces
of
the
excel
partnership
citizen
advisory
group,
and
so
while
I
think
it
is
certainly
an
interest
area
of
the
of
the
environmental
advisory
board.
It's
going
to
be
an
explicit
focus
of
that
partnership
group.
So
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
that
there's
yet
another
city
advisory
group,
that's
going
to
be
working
quite
extensively
on
that.
F
Yeah,
I
guess,
as
I
I
took
a
closer
look
at
the
2017
plan.
I
reflected
on
all
the
changes
that
have
taken
place
since
2017
that
I
hope
are
reflected
in
the
2021
plan
and
I
just
captured
some
of
those
number
one.
The
2017
plan
refers
frequently
to
the
municipalization
of
our
electricity
grid
right
and
that's
definitely
changed
we're
now
part
of
the
excel
franchise
and,
as
a
result,
I
think
we
really
need
to
listen
to
what
paul
had
to
say
about
gee.
F
Number
three,
of
course,
probably
should
have
been
number
one
and
that's
accelerating
climate
change
right,
even
in
2017,
it
didn't
seem
as
dire
as
it
clearly
is
right
now
and
and
brett.
I
know
that
you
know
you
have
in
the
first
introduction
that
we
went
over
a
couple
of
months
ago.
You
pointed
that
out,
but
I'm
constantly
pulling
my
hair
out
that
we're
talking
about
things
like
environmental
stewardship,
which
is
awesome,
but
that's
kind
of
like
saying
hey.
My
front
yard
needs
mowing,
but
my
house
is
on
fire
right.
You
know
like
this.
F
Number
five
is
covid
covet
has
changed
so
much.
It's
the
reason
we're
meeting
online
here
tonight
right.
It's
the
reason.
People
don't
have
to
commute
to
work
every
day
and
I
think,
taking
advantage
of
some
of
the
opportunities
that
covet
has
given
us
to
learn
how
to
do
things
more,
virtually
could
have
great
benefits
environmentally,
and
I
hope
we
address
that
in
the
2021
plan
and
last
but
not
least,
is
just
increased
density
in
boulder.
You
know
I'm
driving
across
the
united
states
right
now.
I've
currently
made
it
to
santa
fe.
F
Yesterday
I
came
through
oklahoma
and
I
was
in
a
city
called
ada
oklahoma,
which
it's
just
buildings
all
the
way
out
to
the
sidewalk
and
no
trees
and
downtown
ada.
It
was
87
degrees
and
when
I
got
just
outside
ada,
where
there's
actually
rolling
hills
and
grasslands
and
trees,
the
temperature
dropped
to
77
degrees.
F
It
was
so
poignant
to
me
that
the
whole
issue
of
heat
islands
and
the
impact
of
density
on
our
client,
our
very
local
climate,
is
huge
and
that's
why.
I
think
it
is
important
for
us,
in
our
climate
plan,
to
get
more
involved
with
more
green
biophilic
development,
because
I
think
that
has
now
become
a
critical
part
in
boulder
and
around
the
world
of
our
climate
action.
So
those
are
some
things
I
that
have
really
changed
since
2017
that
I'd
like
to
see
us
embracing
in
the
new
plan.
That's.
B
E
Not
specifically,
I
mean
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
what
brad
has
to
do.
I
mean
we've
already
heard
snippets
of
what
is
being
presented
for
the
2021
plan,
and
I
know
the
city
has
already
done
an
extensive
amount
of
work
on
this
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
to
seeing
more
about
what
the
city
has
done
towards
us.
B
Yeah
definitely
all
right
miriam
we'll
come
back
we'll
circle
around
again,
because
there's
a
few
more
elements
that
are
really
intriguing
in
the
2017
aaron.
I
know
you,
you
know
your
expertise,
is
efficiency
and
and
architectural
design.
Maybe
you
have
some
particular
views
on
this
question
of
which
is
number
one
on
there.
Three
parallel
activities,
the
energy
usage
reduction
by
increased
efficiency.
H
B
F
H
I
B
D
I
Okay,
okay!
Well,
actually,
so
I
was
listening
to
all
the
stuff.
You
were
that
you
guys
were
saying,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
like
to
discuss
more
is.
I
think
this
goes
back
to
what
brad
said
in
the
last
meeting
is
like
what
is
what
we,
as
a
city,
can
do
realistically
to
address
these
problems,
and
I
was
almost
thinking
like
going
in
a
different
direction
is
like:
should
we
propose
a
budget
to
lobby
the
state
to
be
like?
I
Because
if
we
can
achieve
something
as
a
city,
maybe
we
can
achieve
it
at
the
county
or
state
level?
But
I
wonder
if
I
don't
know
if
it's
even
legal
but
yeah
set
up
a
lobby
budget,
so
the
city
can
go,
and
you
know
lobby
the
state
for
changes
that
we
don't
necess.
We
cannot
necessarily
implement
just
ourselves.
We
need
like
a
bigger
budget
and
that
will
be
more
like
at
the
state
level.
I
C
B
B
B
Now.
I
think
that
17
megawatts
struck
me
as
a
small
number.
I
think
a
lot
has
changed
since
2015
and
back
to
brett
number
one.
Do
you
know
roughly
where
we
are
today
and
and
where
are
we
in
terms
of
achieving
something
close
to
500
megawatts
if
that
is
actually
within
the
reach?
According
to
the
report,.
H
C
C
C
So
it's
really
useful.
If
you
just
think
about
how
many
structures
there
are
and
how
much
it
costs.
So,
in
the
case
of
solar,
let's
just
say
that
we
only
needed
to
spend
ten
thousand
dollars
per
structure
to
actually
get
solar
in
place.
There's
000
single-family
structures
in
boulder,
that's
400
million
dollars.
So
it's
not
like
there's
any
way
that
the
city
has
enough
money
to
do
that
and
that
the
expenditure
that
we're
even
calling
on
individuals
to
make
in
many
cases
is
beyond
their
means
or
beyond
their
current
priorities.
C
C
You
associate
that
expense
to
the
structure
and
let
each
successive
owner
of
that
structure
carry
part
of
that
cost.
So
I
think
that
there
are
these
strategies
that
we
can
employ
for
making
this
infrastructure
change,
but
it
we've
thought
in
the
past.
I
think
we've
over
relied
on
this
notion.
If
I
can
just
get
her
nod
to
do
this,
then
everything
will
happen.
No
a
lot
of
times
that's
creating
too
much
of
a
burden
on
a
single
individual
and
a
single
owner.
B
B
C
Yeah
in
boulder,
we
have
we
in
2014,
we
set
in
motion
a
code
updating
process
which
arrives
at
basically
a
net
zero
requirement
for
all
major
remodels
and
new
constructions
by
2031.,
and
so
it's
already
getting
to
the
place
in
fact,
there's
a
threshold.
Now
it
might
be
a
3
000
foot
square
foot
structure
where
you
basically
can't
build
it
without
making
it
net
zero,
and
so
that
might
be
with
solar
or
any
number
of
other
different
passive
house
design.
Or
what
have
you
so
we're
we're
in
the
in
the
transition
to
that?
F
F
There
are
very
few
houses
being
built
in
boulder
that
are
less
than
3
000
square
feet,
however
commercial
buildings
which
generate,
I
can't
remember
the
percentages
now
I
think
residences
are
something
like
30
and
commercial.
Buildings
are
like
the
rest
and
apartments
count
as
commercial
buildings,
and
we
all
know
that
there
are
lots
of
apartment
buildings
going
up
in
boulder,
don't
have
kind
of
the
same
requirements
and
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
for
improvement
there.
F
But
I
also
wanted
to
comment
on
what
ernan
was
saying,
and
that
is
basically
there
are
many
things
that
we
should
be
doing
at
the
state
level.
In
fact,
boulder
is,
is
currently
intervening
in
the
electric
resource
plan
with
the
puc,
because
that's
super
important
for
us
in
order
for
us
to
reach
our
goals.
In
fact,
there
is
legislature,
that's
being
put
forth
by
steve
benberg
right
now
to
get
us
past.
F
The
120
percent
limit
the
limit
to
how
much
solar
you
can
put
on
your
house,
which
is
based
on
120
percent
of
what
you
did.
The
what
you
use
the
year
before
so
that
it
opens
up,
opens
things
up
to
people
actually
putting
more
solar
on
their
house,
and
I
I
do
think
that
being
more
active
in
at
least
state,
if
not
federal
kinds
of
restrictions
that
are
hamstringing
us
in
terms
of
being
able
to
take
the
kind
of
aggressive
climate
action.
We'd
like
to
is
super
important.
E
I'm
familiar
with
the
county,
at
least
I
and
I
would
imagine
the
city
participating
in
most
statewide
legal
aqcc
actions,
anything
related
to
the
city's
involved.
I
I
know
they
are
because
I
hear
them
speaking
and
providing
input
and
comment
all
the
time.
So
it's
I'm
I.
I
would
like
to
hear
what
brett
has
to
say.
C
I
want
to
make
sure
I
do
say
that
we
had
actually
hoped
to
bring
to
you
the
draft
of
the
memo
that
we're
taking
to
council
for
the
june
8
meeting
for
this
session.
We
weren't
quite
ready
to
do
that
so
you're
going
to
get
that
in
this
next
month
and
then
we'll
discuss
that
at
the
next
meeting.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
plan.
I
just
want
to
prepare
you
for
this.
C
C
But
but
they
are
by
means
the
only
thing
and,
as
you
were
saying,
our
our
our
natural
landscapes
are
also
a
significant
part
of
this,
both
how
we've
decarbonized
landscapes,
through
how
we
farm
and
and
ranch
and
things,
and
also
the
ways
that
landscapes
could
be
a
part
of
taking
carbon
back
out.
And
then
we
also
dramatically
underestimated
the
contributions
that
consumption
and
material
economies
are
contributing
and
that
we
now
sort
of
see
that
each
of
these
three
areas-
energy
systems,
ecosystems
and
material
economy-
are
contributing
roughly
a
third
to
this
process.
C
And
so
one
of
the
issues
around
this
is
that
our
accounting
systems
for
greenhouse
gases
really
are
biased
towards
looking
at
energy
systems,
and
they
don't
well
capture
these
other
effects.
So
that's
another
area
where
we're
having
to
think
about
consumption
based
emissions,
accounting
and
other
elements
that
give
us
a
better
picture
of
what
we're
doing.
F
Yeah
the
way
my
27
year
old
son
puts
it
is
mom,
it's
not
enough
to
think
about
net
zero.
You
need
to
be
thinking
about
regenerative
systems.
If
you
really
want
to
create
the
world
that
you
want
your
grandchildren
to
live
in,
I
don't
have
grandchildren
yet,
but
I
hope
I
don't
for
a
little
while
yet,
but
you
know,
net
zero
is
kind
of
how
we
were
thinking
about
it,
and
I
think
regenerative
is
how
we
it's
not
just
accounting
for
what
we're
putting
into
the
air.
C
F
C
H
C
B
Hi
mike
just
to
recap,
we're
kind
of
going
through
the
energy
part,
the
energy
section
of
the
2017
climate
action
plan,
and
you
know
we
started
some
discussion
about
really
the
electrification
and
the
different
strategies,
and
so
we're
kind
of
going
around
the
the
the
board
for
their
thoughts
and
I'm
going
to
go
to
hernan
here,
who's
next,
in
line
and
and
and
mike
I'll
catch
you
next
after
aaron,
has
a
chance
to
provide
some
of
his
thoughts.
Okay,
awesome
thanks
hi
mike
yeah.
You
bet.
I
No
none
of
the
time.
I
think
I
already
said
what
I
thought
and
my
ideas,
because
I
feel
like
in
terms
of
like
building
codes.
I
feel
that's
I
mean
in
the
right
path.
I
don't
feel
like
there's
any
major
change
there
to
do
honestly
and
you
know
something
that
a
basically
a
different
department
handles.
You
know
they
have
the
you,
have
the
building
code
department,
the
city
so
yeah
I
mean
I
just.
I
B
Susan,
can
I
come
back
to
you
in
just
a
minute.
I
I'm
looking
at
the
time
here,
so
I
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
agenda.
Just
one
more
point
I
wanted
to
raise,
and
this
we'll
get
back
to
policy
I
think,
and-
and
that
is
so
there
was
a
third
element
in
the
electrification
and
that
was
to
do
with
the
charging
stations
so
the
opportunity
for
folks
to
move
out
of
the
gas
vehicle
and
into
an
electric
vehicle.
B
Now,
leaving
aside
for
the
moment,
the
cost
aspects
may
not
make
sense.
It
may
not
be
realistic
as
or
not
like.
You
say,
a
lot
of
people
can't
afford
to
go
elect
electric,
but
that
may
change
in
fact,
I'm
sure
it
will
change.
Hopefully
it'll
change
quickly,
but
the
question
it
really
is
charging
stations
and,
according
to
my
read
somewhere,
I
had
written
down
there.
B
C
C
C
B
H
J
B
J
J
Is
there
like
a
metric
that
you
try
to
meet
that
like
people
have
figured
out
for
like
because
I
look
around
like
I
can
think
of
like
within
my
my
half
of
my
house,
there's
so
many
gas
stations
right
and
like
to
me
do
do
do
people
assume
that,
like
75
percent
of
people
are
gonna
charge
your
stuff
at
home
and
not
need
to
charge
during
the
day
and
they're
like
what
is
that
metric
and
like?
Is
it
reasonable
to
try
to
hit.
J
F
J
C
No
easy
charging
fix
right
away,
yeah,
really
significant
infrastructure
development,
but
there
are
these
now
fast.
Charging
strategies
coming
forward
and
more
and
more
of
the
vehicles
that
are
being
made
are
prepared
for
these
fast
charging
stations
where
in
you
know,
10
or
15
minutes.
You
can
get
these
multi-hundred
mile
charges.
Okay,
so
I
don't
think
that
there's
an
easy
solution
or
formula
yet
because
the
technology
is
changing
so
fast.
J
F
C
Yeah
I
was
just
hearing
about
this
new
f-150
truck
that
they're
building,
which
is
going
to
be
available
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
I
mean
it's
got
a
massive
battery
to
it,
so
this
whole
vehicle
to
grid
thing
completely
changes
when
you're
talking
about
batteries,
the
sizes
that
they're
putting
in
some
of
these
vehicles
so.
J
So
I
think,
oh,
I
was
just
going
to
say
the
other
thing
I
always
think
about
reading
through
this
plan
is
the
housing
part-
and
I
know
we've
talked
a
lot
about
this
before,
but
I
just
get
so
worried
about
like
housing
is
already
so
expensive.
You
know,
and
here-
and
I
just
worry
about
like
is
like
how
do
you
really
pay
for
this?
J
How
do
you
really
make
it
affordable
and
how
do
you
not
make
housing
already
more
difficult
and
stressful
and
make
our
can
like
just
price
people
out
right
and
maybe
like
lose
other
interesting
and
good
parts
of
a
community
so
that
everyone
can
gain
a
little
bit
of
efficiency
or
something?
You
know
what
I
mean.
I
just
worry
about
that
too
and,
like
I
don't
know,
necessarily
how
you
balance
that
belongs
in
here,
but
it's
always
a
concern
to
me.
It's
always
something
that
I
think
of
you
know.
C
The
community
came
back
and
said
yeah,
but
there's
two
others
we
want
you
to
really
look
at.
One
is
the
role
of
the
economy
and
financial
systems
in
driving
climate
change
and
the
other
was
land
use.
So
I
think
that
these
are
very
active
themes.
I
know
it's
a
it's
a
theme
that
lin
and
others
bring
forward
as
important
considerations
that
I
think
it's
it's
needs
to
be
on
the
table.
J
C
Think
about,
for
example,
the
electric
grid
and
what
we
had
to
do
as
a
society
to
make
electricity
available
to
everyone.
It
was
one
of
those
problems
that
you
couldn't
solve
at
an
individual
level
right.
It's
why
we
basically
created
the
the
phenomena
of
a
regulated
monopoly,
because
we
needed
entities
that
could
aggregate
enough
capital
to
deploy
huge
amounts
of
infrastructure.
C
F
I
just
wanted
to
mention
I
I
sat
in
on
the
consultant's
presentation
on
the
development
at
alpine
balsam,
where
that
hospital
used
to
be
that
lynn
referred
to-
and
I
just
was
actually
super-
encouraged
relative
to
the
kinds
of
new
technology
they
were
talking
about.
They
were
talking
about
using,
let's
see,
sewer
heat
recovery,
there's
a
sewer
line
that
runs
down
broadway.
C
Is
that
local
government
is
where
climate
change
really
manifests?
I
mean
it
doesn't
really
happen
at
the
federal
level.
It
happens
at
a
local
level
and
that
we're
going
to
find,
I
think,
over
time,
that
more
and
more
of
our
resources
have
to
be
committed
to
the
recovery
from
and
the
preparation
for,
change,
as
opposed
to
or
not
necessarily
as
opposed
to.
But
this
is
why
finding
solutions
that
can
intersect
both
climate
stabilization
and
preparing
for
and
responding
to
climate
change
is
going
to
are
going
to
be
really
important.
B
Okay,
that's
a
great
discussion,
good
ending
point.
For
now:
will
we
continue
that?
Will
we
have
an
opportunity
next
month
to
go
a
little
bit
further
into
the
document,
or
will
we
be
moving
on
to
the
new
we'll
be
moving
on
to
the
new
okay,
all
right,
so
that
was
good.
I
think
we
covered
a
lot
of
territory,
not
all
of
it
in
there
to
be
sure,
but
that
was
good.
Well,
I.
C
Just
would
call
out
that
one
of
the
things
I
think
you'll
see
is
in
2015.
We
were
thinking
about
ecosystems
and
we
were
starting
to
think
about
the
material
economy,
but
most
of
our
discussion,
most
of
our
focus,
was
on
that
energy
systems
piece.
I
think
you'll
see
some
maturing
and
evolving
of
those
other
two
areas
in
this
new
document,
but
I'm
really
glad
that
you
had
a
chance
to
kind
of
dig
into
this,
because
I
think
it
will
provide
a
useful
contrast
in
now
thinking
about
what
this
next
plan
looks
like.
B
Great
and
thanks
everyone
that
was
good
discussion
on
the
air
quality
update
air
quality
efforts
before
we
jump
in
there,
and
I
presume
we'll
hear
from
from
marion
and
brett
on
this.
In
particular,
I
wanted
to
just
sort
of
touch
on.
I
sent
an
email
out
for
a
seminar
that
was
hosted
through
stanford
seminar
series.
B
It
was
actually
harder
to
get
into
that
talk
and
listen
than
I
had
assumed.
It
would
be
you
needed
to
have
a
papal
dispensation
as
it
turns
out
to
be
able
to
log
in,
and
so
they
sent
me
a
link
to
the
talk
afterwards
and
then
I
watched
it,
and
so
this
was
a
talk
on
air
quality
and
health.
I
just
wanted
to
real
briefly
highlight
what
I
took
away
from
the
talk
and
hopefully
it'll
connect
with
some
of
our
air
quality
efforts
and
concerns
that
we
have
locally.
B
The
talk
was
given
by
a
dr
mary
pernicki
and
she
is
from
the
sean
parker
center
for
allergy
and
asthma
research.
So
she
her
expertise
is
knowing
how
the
lungs
and
the
and
the
whole
a
body
system
responds
to
the
effects
of
smoke
and
what
what
I
took
away
from
this-
and
this
is
a
person
from
california,
so
they've
been
really
under
the
gun
from
smoke
exposure.
And
so
that's
why
this
is
such
a
important
topic
for
them.
That
you
know,
pm
2.5
was
what
she
mainly
talked
about,
which
is
80
of
wildfire.
B
Smoke
is
a,
as
I
was
told
in.
The
talk
I
didn't
realize
was
quite
that
high
eighty
percent
of
wildfire
smoke
consists
of
pm
2.5
and
it's
pm
2.5.
That
is
especially
problematic
as
was
discussed
it
because
it
penetrates
deeper
into
the
lungs
than
in
the
larger
particulates
and
enters
the
bloodstream
quite
readily,
and
so
they
had
some
nice
illustrations
of
this.
B
B
B
Hvac
and
clean
room
safety
was
sort
of
the
main
feeling
that
that
was
a
good
good
source
of
providing
protection.
In
the
case
of
exposure
to
pm
2.5,
interestingly
enough,
california,
of
all
the
fires,
they
said
they
have
no
measures
of
air
quality
in
schools.
There's
no
monitoring,
there's
no
baseline.
B
That
I
was
surprised,
and
so
the
talk
was
about
a
need
for
uniform
air
quality
measurement
in
the
school
system
that
it
didn't
exist.
Surprise
me
too
mike.
So
those
are
just
the
highlights
and
maybe
just
move
on
to
the
agenda
item
and
see
if
any
of
that
dovetails
to
some
of
the
things
that
you
want
to
share
on
our
air
quality
efforts
here.
B
C
I
can
start
it
out
and
okay
miriam
complete
it.
This
is
again
I
want
to
start
by
just
offering
deep
gratitude
to
miriam
for
really
continuing
to
push
this
piece
forward
and
to
offer
not
as
an
excuse,
but
just
as
an
explanation
that
we
are
as
a
department
understaffed
at
the
moment,
and
also
that
the
city
organization
is
not
only
also
struggling
with
the
same
issue,
but
that
air
quality
falls
into
a
gap
that
no
city
department
really
covers.
C
So
we're
still
struggling
to
figure
out
how
to
effectively
respond
to
this
important
issue
and
the
and
the
sort
of
guidance
and
leadership
that
I
think
that
you
guys
are
providing
here.
So
with
that,
though,
I
would
say
that
we're
continuing
to
explore
how
the
city
can
engage
in
and
support,
maybe
two
major
tracks
of
effort
here.
C
Part
of
the
issue
that
we're
having
right
now
is
that
we
don't
jonathan
is
in
an
acting
role
as
a
director,
and
so
it's
it
isn't
yet
clear
whether
he's
going
to
assume
that
role
as
a
permanent
position
or
not,
and
until
that
is
decided.
It's
hard
to
actually
allocate
some
of
these
other
open
positions.
C
But
we
jonathan,
and
I
both
believe
that
we
will
eventually
figure
out
how
to
staff
that
resilience
person
and
that
that
will
be
the
position.
That
will
probably
really
take
this
issue
forward.
So
I'm
I'm
playing
in
adequately
right
now.
This
sort
of
support
role
for
this,
but
so
with
that
that
was
a
whole
lot
of
qualifications,
and
I
don't
mean.
E
I
just
I
don't
have
a
ton
more
to
add,
but
I've
been
still
participating
in
the
regional
air,
quality,
messaging
and
monitoring
meetings.
They,
to
my
surprise,
have
not
been
as
focused
on
the
equity
piece
of
it,
and
I
and
I
brought
that
to
to
brett's
attention
and
we'll
try
to
bring
that
more
forward
to
the
regional
group.
They've
actually
asked
me
to
bring
it
forward,
so
I
guess
I
will
it's
surprising
that
the
rest
of
the
group
is
is
not
addressing
this,
but
one.
E
We
can
start
that
ball
rolling.
In
the
meantime,
michael
ogletree
from
from
city
of
denver,
is
moving
forward
with
creating
the
data
platform
that
will
be
shareable
among
all
of
the
different
regional
cities
and
counties
that
will
be
able
to
be
accessed
from
you
know
from
their
various
websites
if
they
want
to
have
that
information
available
and
that
information
can
be
localized
as
we
talked
about
before.
So
that's
that's
just
a
starting
point.
C
So
I'm
I'm
working
to
get
that
and
get
that
both
back
to
miriam
and
to
all
of
you,
because
they
had
apparently
some
really
interesting
ideas
around
how
to
resource
access
to
air
filtration
systems.
For
you
know,
people
who
are
at
risk
which
to
be
honest
with
you,
that
is
my
biggest
concern
at
this
point,
which
is
this
next
fire
season
and
the
parts
of
our
the
members
of
our
community,
who
don't
have
easy
access
to
expensive
air
filters.
C
Or
what
have
you
and
I
feel
like
that's
where
we've
really
gotta
focus
to
make
sure
that
gap
is
at
least
addressed
as
much
as
possible.
So
anyway,
I'll
get
that
back
out
to
you
and
I
think
it's
I.
I
would
suggest
that
we
just
keep
this
as
an
ongoing
topic
and
our
agendas
to
keep
moving
this
process
forward.
B
Thanks
brett,
I'm
going
to
end
up
going
through
reverse
order,
this
time
I'll
go
mike
andernan
and
susan.
Just
a
quick
comment.
So
last
month
we
we
kind
of
talked
about
monitoring,
which
is
still
an
issue,
as
we
just
heard
that
that's
still
a
challenge,
but
then
also
the
hvac
clean
room.
If
you
will
the
clean
room
space
a
safe
zone,
this
came.
This
was
a
big
topic
in
the
talk
that
I
listened
to
and
again
surprising
how
poorly
prepared
it
seemed
to
be
right.
E
And-
and
I've
actually
brought
that
forward
to
brett,
as
well
as
as
part
of
the
actions
that
should
be
taken
for
the
city.
They
should
that
we
should
identify
safe
spaces
that
are
public
spaces.
You
know
community
centers,
religious
buildings,
schools
where
we
can
create
safe
spaces
and
and
enable
places
where
people
can
go.
Yeah.
B
Yeah,
no
exactly-
and
this
course
this
this
was
an
issue.
The
schools
were
of
great
concern
in
the
presentation
from
the
california
person
and
and
that
few
schools
had
actually
been
canvassed
to
figure
out
whether
they
actually
have
the
requisite
a
standard
for
hvac
and
and
clean
room
safety
zones
within
their
school
systems.
E
So
I
think
I
think
something
that's
really
interesting
marty
is
that
a
lot
of
schools
have
updated
their
hvac
systems
enormously
because
of
kovid,
and-
and
so
I
think,
if
we,
if
we
look
at
what
has
been
done
in
the
schools,
we
will
be
pleasantly
surprised
about.
You
know
the
ability
to
meet
the
filtering
needs,
but
I
mean
certainly
we
should.
It
should
be
reviewed
and
understood.
B
J
I
think
in
my
mind
I
think
more
so
in
my
mind
than
the
monitoring
to
some
degree,
because
I
feel
like
I
think
the
monitoring
of
schools
is
important,
but
I
think
you
know
if
peop
people
are
going
to
know
it's
smoky
at
some
point,
whether
or
not
it's
monitored,
and
if
it's
a
point,
if
it
gets
bad
enough,
they're
going
to
want
to
seek
a
safe
space.
So
I
guess
that's
sort
of
that
safe
space
and
that
clean
space
for
people
to
go
to
is
really
important
in
mind.
J
And
then
the
second
thing
I
like,
I
was
thinking
the
other
day
about,
like
you
know
I
don't
know,
is
there
like
a
better
for
like
for,
like
my
furnace
at
home?
Is
there
a
better
filter?
I
can
put
in
my
system
that
I
don't
offer
my
system,
that's
not
ridiculously
expensive
and
like.
Where
do
I
find
that
information
and.
J
I
think
that's
super
awesome
like
I
was
just
like.
I
don't
know.
Actually
you
know
I
think
about
it
like
is
there?
I
don't
want
to
spend
five
thousand
dollars
for
something
super
fancy,
but
like
is
there
one
that
I
could
spend
80
bucks
and
you
know
or
25
dollars
more
when
I
replace
the
filter
in
my
furnace
and
it
does
a
better
job
come
fire
season
and
you
know
and
is
a
little
safer,
and
I
have
no
freaking
idea.
So
it'd
be
awesome,
you
know
and
then
I
like
the
idea.
J
You
know
I
really
like
that
idea
and
I
like
the
idea
of
like
having
a
place
for
people
to
go
when
it
gets
really
bad
whose
houses
are
leaky
and
don't
go
or
if
they're,
just
by
proximity
in
a
place
where
they're
closer
to
the
fire,
maybe
not
evacuate,
but
the
smoke
is
just
unbearable
and
dangerous,
so
they
have
elderly
family.
You
know,
so
those
are
the
two
things
that
I
really
think
of
as
important
when
it
comes
to
this.
B
Yeah,
okay,
that's
great!
You
know
I
was
thinking
when
you're
mentioning
furnaces.
My
house
happens
to
be
all
electric
which,
which
was
not
a
good
selling
point
when
I
bought
it.
People
said:
oh,
you
know
we're
sorry,
we
don't
have
gas
in
this
house,
but
they
didn't
extend
the
line.
You
know
through
that
part
of
the
neighborhood.
Now,
of
course,
it
goes
the
opposite.
I
I
don't
like
gas,
I
wouldn't
want
at
my
house,
but
because
I
have
all
electric
baseboard
or
now
solar.
Whatever
I
do,
I
don't
have
a
furnace
there.
B
C
Well,
most,
I
think,
where
we're
heading
generally
in
the
the
space
conditioning
in
buildings
is
towards
heat
pumps,
but
those
heat
pumps
can
either
be
isolated,
what
they
call
mini,
split
units
which
are
separate
individual
units
or
they
can
have
a
central
air
function.
So
there's
a
drop
in
replacement
for
natural
gas
furnaces
that
mitsubishi
produces
that's
a
heat
pump.
C
B
J
B
C
C
C
C
F
F
Research
on
public
health
as
it
relates
to
air
quality
around
the
world
and
has
been
tracking
it
for
like
20
years,
and
I
think,
if
you
can
bring
it
to
people's
attention,
that
this
is
really
a
public
health
hazard
and
I
think
if
we
have
another
summer,
I
hope
we
don't
like
we
had
last
summer,
but
doesn't
does
it.
Does
anybody
remember
that
the
sky
was
smoky
for
two
and
a
half
months?
It.
J
F
J
B
Want
to
go
outside
now
here:
here's
a
maybe
a
small
benefit.
If
I
can
call
it
that
of
covid
that
we
all
have
masks,
many
of
us
have
n95.
Maybe
we
should
hold
on
to
them
even
as
covid
wanes
away,
because
those
are
the
kinds
of
masks
that
can
help
you.
You
know
if
you
do
need
to
be
out
and
about
when
there
is
the
particulate,
so
we're
now
accustomed
to
actually
wearing
masks.
F
B
F
B
E
I
did
I
wanted
to
say
one
thing,
and
that
was
one
thing
that
is
really
important
about.
The
monitoring
is
helping
people
understand
when
they're
in
danger
when
they
are
not
and
when
it's
not
present
like
when
the
wildfire
smoke
is
not
right
in
their
face.
You
know,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
instances
with
ozone
and
particulate
that
can
get
at
high
levels,
and
you
wouldn't
know
it
without
having
some
sort
of
warning
mechanism
or
or
ability
to
see.
E
B
Exactly
and
I
see
our
non
next,
the
monitoring
of
course,
is
always
going
to
be
important
from
a
scientific
point
of
view.
This
is
me
speaking
science
language
a
little
bit,
but
you
want
to
be
able
to
understand
what
is
the
relationship
between
various
levels
of
air
quality
degradation
and
human
health,
and
if
you
don't
have
the
monitor
values,
you
really
don't
know.
Quite
what
is
the
attributable
effect?
You
need
to
have
that
information
from
from
a
study
point.
E
H
E
B
I
think
cumulative
is
a
good
way
of
thinking
of
it.
You
know,
I
don't
think
anyone
questions
that
they
would
never
want
to
work
in
a
coal
mine
right
because
of
the
lung
damage
resulting
from
inhaling,
cumulatively,
the
fine
dust
particles
and-
and
I
think
you
know
routine
and
regular
exposure.
If
that's
what
our
future
looks
like
to
a
lot
of
small
particulates
is
like
working
in
a
coal
mine
as
part
of
your
night
or
daytime.
You
know
job
so
to
speak.
B
E
Yeah
it'll
give
you
solutions,
it'll
say
the
the
the
health
hazard
is
so
bad
that
you
should
wear
a
mask
today
or
the
health
hazard
is
so
bad.
You
shouldn't
be
outside
today.
You
need
to
find
a
clean
air
space
inside
I
mean
it
it,
and
that
happened
last
year
where
it
was
so
bad
that
people
should
not
have
been
outside.
I
E
G
E
The
same
way,
everybody
else
is
and
yeah
it's
there
and
and
part
of
the
point
of
this
group
is
to
try
to
make
the
messaging
more
understandable
and
how
getting
to
the
right
people
and-
and
you
know
what
is
the
best
message
to
give
people
and
how
to
give
it
to
them,
and
it's
all
of
that
kind
of
thing
and
yes
and
a
lot
of
it
will
be
solutions
like
you
can
find
a
safe
space
here
you
can
find
filters
here.
You
can
find
you
know
it's
solution
based
yeah.
I
E
I
But
I
guess
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
like.
Will
it
be
possible
for
the
you
know
what
like
I,
I
didn't
sign
up
for
amber
alerts.
You
know
if
there's
a
like
somebody
steals
a
kid.
I
get
a
message
on
my
phone
right
automatically
without
even
asking
for
it.
So
could
the
state
use
part
of
the
same
network
or
the
same
messaging
system
to
just
be
like
hey,
you
know
the
air
quality
is
really
bad
today.
So
that
way,
you
know
like
everybody,
whether
you're
on
iphone
or
android,
you
get
these
amber
alerts.
I
E
E
Part
of
the
problem
with
that
is
that
the
air
quality
is
different
in
different
places
and
and
maybe
really
bad
in
boulder,
but
not
so
bad
in
denver,
you
know,
and
and
for
the
state,
to
put
out
an
alert
like
that.
I
don't
know
that's
why
you
know
the
different
regional
bodies
or
different.
You
know
sectors
kind
of
have
to
take
care
of
their
own
here.
E
E
It's
a
bad
day,
like
you
know,
like
the
four
we've
talked
about
this
last
time,
like
the
forest
service,
does
for
fire
danger
right,
it's
a
you
know
when
they
put
it
on
the
red
fire
danger,
you
don't
light
a
fire
right,
I
mean
so
there's
lots
of
ideas
going
on
out
there.
You
know,
I
think
your
idea
is
a
good
one
or
none
and
and
I'll
bring
it
to
the
to
the
table.
You
know
to
the
conversation
and
see
if
there's
some
way
to
to
do
that.
B
F
Yeah
in
in
four
minutes
three
things
one
is.
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
in
future
meetings
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
setting
some
objectives
as
a
board
related
to
the
things
that
we
recommended
in
our
letter
to
city
council.
Much
as
miriam
has
made
great
progress
on
air
quality,
because
we
had
some
objectives
she
was
working
towards.
F
I
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
an
objective,
for
instance
relative
to
urban
heat
islands
and
land
use
codes,
so
we're
not
just
talking
about
it,
but
we
have
something
that
we're
really
trying
to
implement.
So
I'd
like
to
see
that
in
a
future
agenda,
I
wanted
to
mention
that,
in
particular
with
regard
to
urban
heat
islands,
I'm
super
interested
in
biophilic
design,
bret
and
any
way
I
can
get
involved
in.
That
would
be
terrific
and
one
aspect
of
that.
F
C
Susan,
I'm
I'm
so
glad
you've
been
raised,
you're
raising
that
issue
around
the
urban
forest,
and
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
in
particular,
I'm
laying
the
groundwork
for
trying
to
launch
a
whole
major
community
campaign
around
urban
forestry
as
a
climate
action
for
next
year,
and
so
I
would
love
to
be
talking
with
you
and
with
and
have
ea
be
a
very
big
part
of
that.
That's.
B
Great
yeah,
you
know
people
love
to
donate
benches
in
the
names
of
relatives,
people
even
love
more,
I
think,
to
donate
a
tree
that
would
be
dedicated
to
something
or
someone
that
they
want
to
remember.
Tree
donations
are
a
place
that
people
gravitate
towards
a
community
can
really
get
involved
with
tree
donations
to
make
sure
we
accelerate
planting
anyway.
B
I
No
we're
just
looking
at
this
amber
alert
system,
and
I
mean
right
now
it's
a
federal
thing,
but
it
used
to
be
before
they
went
federal
in
96.
It
used
to
be
state
managed,
so
you
had
amber
alerts
in
georgia,
hawaii
arkansas
utah
and
it
basically
sends
yeah
all
sorts
of
messages
through
text
messages,
radio
stations
and
it
even
teamed
up
with
google
facebook
to
relay
information.
I
I
J
Yeah-
and
I
wonder
if,
like
the
framework
turned
on
for
like
the
like
colorado
tracker
for
like
covet
exposures,
did
anyone
do
this?
Do
that
like
on
your
phone
and
it
would
track
your
like,
basically
tell
you,
if
you're
in
close
proximity
to
someone
who
had
tested
positive
recently,
and
I
would
just
give
you
an
alert
but
something
like
that
might
be
another
framework
that
could
be
built
on
too.
For
I
don't
know.
I
Oh
and
one
more
thing,
the
summer
alerts
are
local,
so
it's
like
local
law
enforcement,
the
one
who
the
ones
who
submit
the
the
alert.
So
basically
it
will
be,
for
example,
the
city
of
boulder
or
the
county
of
boulder
that
submits
the
alert
to
the
county
or
the
city.
So
it's
not
like
the
state
has
to
do
it.
The
state
will
just
maybe
manage
the
system
like
you
know.
Previous
states
did
before
they
went
federal,
but
then
it's
like
local
institutions
that
one
could
actually
send
the
alerts
to
their
citizens.
I
I
Yeah
they're
a
lot
their
lab
at
the
university
of
california
berkeley
and
they
do
like
tons
of
data
collection
on
temperature.
Oh
you
know
they
have
censored
all
over
the
globe
and
they're,
like,
I
think,
the
main
data
collection
center,
for
you
know,
climate
change.
So
what
they
have
is
a
data
page
where
you
can
access
all
the
data
they
have.
I
I
Yeah
so
then
like
if
I
was
a
developer,
a
public
company
or
a
researcher,
then
you
know
I
could
like
download
the
data.
So
just
do
you
know
in
my
app
like
do
some
some
sort
of
like
I
get
the
data
and
then
in
my
app
or
on
the
on
my
like
boulder
cast,
could
use
this
data.
You
know
then
I
open
it
and
then
I
can
visualize
the
the
data
you
know
and
then
I
could
put
like
some
pretty
user
interface
on
top
of
this
and
then
you
know
boom.
E
G
E
I
But
that's
temp,
that's
temperature
and
I
guess
what
I
was.
What
I
would
like
to
maybe
suggest
is
like
make
sure
like
this.
Data
is
really
easy
to
access
so
like
anybody
can
download
it,
because
I
mean
my
idea
or
what
I
thought
of
is
like.
If
your
data
is
really
good,
then
why
wouldn't
private
companies
use
it?
I
You
know,
because
then,
if
I
was
a
private
company-
and
I
know
you
guys-
are
going
to
be
collecting
this
data
and
it's
free
and
it's
better
than
mine,
then
I
feel
like
it's
gonna
a
no-brainer
to
just
use
your
data.
So
then,
next
time
I
look
at
my
phone,
it
may
be
a
private
company
that
is
showing
me
the
data,
but
it's
your
data
under
the
hood.
Does
that
make
sense?
E
B
So
in
the
old
days
people
took
temperatures
at
a
certain
time
of
day
that's
different
than
the
way
it's
done
today.
It
produces
an
artificial
trend
in
temperature.
So
if
you
grab
the
berkeley
earth
data
make
your
time
series
and
you
were
doing
it
really
quickly.
You're
gonna
get
something
that's
very
interesting,
but
very
wrong
in
some
areas.
B
B
C
C
It's
it's
obviously
working
quite
actively
on
the
air
quality
piece.
I
did
put
out
an
invitation
to
the
planning
director
to
to
come
and
talk
about
urban
heat
island.
I
haven't
heard
back
from
him
about
that
yet
so
I
think
maybe
it
might
be
worth
a
kind
of
quick
pass
through
this
topic,
but
I
know
that
susan
would
want
to
be
very
actively
involved
in
this
discussion
too.
H
B
J
B
C
B
J
C
E
C
C
This
is
a
somewhat
broader,
I
think,
topic,
probably
really
bringing
in
some
of
the
forest
wildfire
considerations
that
the
board
has
discussed
in
the
past
soils
and
sequestration.
A
piece
that
michael
has
mike
has
helped
lead
focus
on
for
a
number
of
years
and
then
the
urban
heat
island.
I
think
that
was
a
yeah.
B
B
Heat
island
and
the
regen
regenerative
were
forced
regenerative,
we're
kind
of
connected
in
a
way,
especially
when
we
think
about
ecosystems
within
our
city
area
and
the
canopy
issue.
That
susan
was
raising.
If
I
remember
write,
the
numbers
in
the
in
the
in
the
2017
draft
indicated
that
our
canopy
was,
was
it
14
or
expected
to
go
to
12
or
10
percent
because
of
the
ash
borer,
do
you
know
roughly
where
that
canopy
is
and
the
goal?
What
is
it
to
be
a
20
is
that
what's
viewed
as
desirable.
C
Yeah,
so
we
we're
about
to
get
a
new
round
of
what's
called
lidar
data.
I
think
most
we
know
it's
a
high
resolution,
imagery
that
comes
from
satellites
that
can
see
topical
or
elevational
things,
so
we're
going
to
get
that
this
fall
and
then
it'll
be
on
the
basis
of
that
that
we
can
do
a
new
urban
forest
canopy
analysis
to
get
a
really
good
reading
of
what,
because
I
think
we
did
the
last
one
in
2014
or
15..
C
It's
a
really
interesting
question,
because
you
know
forests
were
not
endemic
to
this
location.
It
was
a
plains.
It
was
a
grassland,
and
so
when
we
say
you
know
what
is
the
canopy
closure
goal,
there
is
no
natural
reference
point
for
that.
There
is
a
reference
point
that
we
could
think
about
and
that's
something
where
I
think
we're
trying
to
create
some
new
science
around
this,
like
how
much
canopy
closure
would
we
want
to
achieve
in
order
to
achieve
other
benefits
like
urban
heat,
island
management
or
stormwater
implementation.
E
G
C
Well,
yeah:
I
was
just
trying
to
set
up
for
this
for
this
point,
which
is
okay.
What's
the
right,
canopy
closure
goal
for
boulder
and-
and
I
think
I
think
our
current
urban
forest
management
strategy
was
like
14,
because
our
urban
forester
was
saying
like
what's
possible,
given
how
we
currently
fund
and
fund
urban
forestry.
C
B
And
this
is
maybe
what
miriam's
point
is
the
the
meta
research
that
has
been
done
on
eab
in
the
past,
and
I
I
was
only
part
of
that
briefly,
but
there
were
studies
that
estimated
the
cooling
effect
that
doubling
a
canopy
would
have.
You
know
using
a
reference
of
some
amount,
doubling
that
canopy,
which
is
kind
of
what
you're
talking
about
brett
10
to
20.
That's
almost
that's
a
doubling
would
have
a
certain
temperature
effect
depends
upon
the
the
latitude
and
the
exposure
of
the
city
overall
to
climate.
B
B
So
we
we're
we're
fighting
against
time
and
the
mutation
we're
fighting
against
climate
change
and
being
able
to
be
adaptive
in
a
way
that
we
can
be
resilient
and
and
so
because
the
hope
is
that
at
some
point
we'll
actually
be
able
to
take
carbon
out
of
the
air
we
will
technology
is
there.
We
will
actually
be
able
to
draw
carbon
back
out,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
while.
B
So
in
the
meantime
you
want
to
buy
that
time.
A
degree
fahrenheit
buys
you
something
on
the
order
of
oh
20
years
of
climate
change.
That's
a
rough
number.
All
right.
The
globe
has
warmed
about
two
degrees.
Fahrenheit
in
the
last
hundred
years
is
expected
to
warm
another
about
double
that
over
the
rest
of
the
21st
century.
So
it'll
buy
you
a
couple
of
decades
now.
How
long
would
it
take
to
actually
grow
a
canopy
from
10
to
20?
B
C
E
B
C
So
like
as
long
as
you're
back
to
the
letter,
I
will
continue
to
try
to
push
to
get
the
planning
director
on
the
eab
agenda
so
that
we
can
pick
up
this
urban
heat
island
topic
with
him,
as
well
as
the
sort
of
influence
of
land
use
in
climate
change.
I
think
those
are
two
topics
that
I
understand
would
be
really
good
to
talk
with
him
about.
J
I
think
brett
too,
there
are
some
really
cool
stuff
in
the
notes
I
collected
from,
like
it
was
the
city
of
louisville
urban
heat
island
study,
where
they
did
a
bunch
talked
a
lot
about
the
trade-offs
and
synergies
between
like
canopy
and
porous
surfaces
and
the
overall
cumulative
effects
of
different
mixes
of
those
was,
I
think
in
that
study,
which
was
pretty
neat.
I
could
try
to.
I
pretty
sure
I
have
those
notes
somewhere
in
google
yeah.
C
I
would
really
appreciate
it.
I
know
this
is
a.
We
also,
as
you
all
know,
lost
our
administrative
assistant
during
this
whole
period
of
time,
and
so
some
of
that
stuff
was
being
captured
by
by
fellaini
and
others.
If
you
could
bring
back
to
me
all
the
stuff
that
you
have
that's
easy
to
access
around
the
urban
heat
island
stuff,
I'd
really
appreciate
that.
I
B
You
yeah
and
yeah
coming
back
to
susan's
parting
words.
She
she
was,
you
know,
challenging
us
to
think
as
we
as
we've
been
doing.
You
know
wonderfully
on
the
air
quality
effort
to
find
the
actionable
activity
related
to
our
other
items
on
on
our
letter
to
council,
so
maybe
in
the
near
term,
collecting
what
the
board
has
done
previously
over
the
last
many
years
on
the
urban
heat
island.
You
know,
condensing
it
refreshing
it
where
it's
appropriate.
B
H
B
So
I
think
it
brought
the
awareness
back
and-
and
maybe
the
action
would
be,
let's
recollect
what
we
had
done
refresh
it,
as
is
possible
new
information.
If
there
is
any
and
then
report
back
to,
I
guess
to
this
board,
but
then
perhaps
find
a
space
on
an
agenda
to
city
somewhere
council
somewhere
or
yeah.
H
H
H
H
C
J
B
Let
me
also
put
it
on
my
list:
I
mean
there's
a
data
set
which
we
like
to
use
from
time
to
time.
It's
four
kilometers
in
scale
covers
the
whole
us
and
it
gives
maximum
maximum
and
minimum
temperature
goes
back
monthly
to
1895,
if
you
believe
it
wow,
but
it's
more
reliable
in
the
last
50
years
than
it
was
before.
Then.
H
B
Know
one
of
the
outstanding
characteristics
of
the
temperature
time
series
over
the
last
century,
for
the
us
is,
is
that
the
minimum
temperature
has
risen
at
least
as
much,
if
not
more
than
the
maximum
temperature.
This
is
especially
true
in
the
middle
of
the
country
where
the
maximum
temperatures
haven't
risen,
nearly
as
much
as
the
men,
and
so
that's
led
to
heat
stress
concerns,
because
the
min
is
really
where
the
heat
stress
begins
to
become
an
issue
the
night
time,
if
it
doesn't
cool
off.
B
If
you
can't
find
ventilation,
that's
where
the
body
really
suffers.
So
I
know
where
you're
going
with
this.
I
think
the
health
component
really
links
to
the
men
as
much
as
maybe
even
more
than
the
max,
usually
as
bad
as
the
max
is
the
hottest
time
of
day
it's
the
driest
time
of
day,
and
so
the
body
has
a
way
of
cooling
itself
in
a
way
that
it
can
at
night
when
the
temperature
drops
down
to
the
dew
point.
C
B
J
E
C
E
B
J
C
C
So
I
think
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
saw
the
reporting
over
this
last
week
or
so,
but
this
new
realization
that
we're
probably
not
going
to
hit
herd
immunity
anytime
soon
in
the
in
the
country.
I
think,
has
a
lot
of
people
sort
of
reconsidering
what
our
safe
strategies
are.
So
I
don't.
I
certainly
wouldn't
anticipate
us
doing
that
until
late
this
year,
at
the
earliest.
B
Okay,
it's
interesting
that
same
conversation
mike
and
brett
came
up
in
the
call
I
was
on
with
management
noah
today,
the
local.
You
know
the
this
facility
on
broadway,
I'm
in
the
david
skaggs
research
building.
Of
course,
we
would
all
love
to
be
able
to
re-enter
our
buildings
if
nothing
else
and
to
collect
our
personal
belongings,
including
our
baseball
cards
and
whatnot,
that
we
left
in
our
offices
and
toys,
but
we
can't
go
in,
and
so
the
question
was
well.
What's
the
plan
right
and
you
know,
president
biden
has
made
it
very
clear.
B
B
J
Yeah-
and
I
was
talking-
we
have
some
workshop
funds
from
nsf
with
like
ncar
right
now.
I
do
and
we're
talking
about
like
we
had
asked
for
a
no-cost
extension
because
it
was
like
there's
no
way
even
in
the
early
fall,
that
we
would
be
in
this
fiscal
year
that
we're
going
to
get
up
to
end
car
and
get
people
together
in
person
from
like
around
the
country.
J
B
B
B
B
And
the
amazing
thing
about
this
is
you
know
I
kind
of
direct
the
team
there's
about
10
of
us
is
that
I
would
have
never
predicted
this.
Of
course
you
know
being
in
climate.
My
predictions
are
worthless
anyway,
but
I
would
have
never
predicted
the
productivity
of
the
group,
and
you
know
the
the
internet
and
and
the
access
you
know
high
s,
it's
incredible
right.
None
of
this.
None
of
this
existed
35
40
years
ago.
We
would
have
really
been
in
trouble.