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Karl
guiler,
cob:
good
evening.
carl
giler,
senior
policy
adviser
with
planning
and
development
services
before
the
board
tonight
is,
or
is
ordinance
85,
85
relating
to
changes
to
the
land
use
code,
occupancy
regulations..
So
the
purpose
of
tonight
is
to
have
a
recommendation
from
housing
advisory
board
on
the
ordinance
to
city
council.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
before.,
but
the
problem
statement
related
to
to
the
the
housing
prices
that
boulder
is
experiencing
along
with
many
communities
in
the
nation..
It's
especially
felt
in
boulder
in
recent
years..
So
we've
undertaken
a
number
of
different
code
change
projects
to
loosen
up
zoning
restrictions,
to
open
up
more
housing
opportunities
for
people
in
the
in
the
community
to
to
be
able
to
live
in
boulder.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
so
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
project,
or
to
review
city
occupancy
standards
of
other
peer
communities
based
on
best
practices
from
those
communities,
prepare
options
for
changes
that
are
appropriate
to
boulder.,
really
focusing
on
simple
land
use,
amendments
that
relate
to
occupancy
that
provide
greater
housing
opportunities
in
the
community
while
preserving
neighborhood
character
and
establish
neighborhoods
and
vet.
Those
changes
in
the
community.
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Karl
guiler,,
cob:,
relaxing
occupancy,
regs
or
adding
housing
will
lower
cost
of
housing.,
but
what
they
do
say
is
that
zoning
restrictions
do
greatly
limit
housing
availability.
and
then
it
it's
because
of
of
a
lot
of
zoning,
zoning
restrictions,
that
housing
supply
is
restricted
and
that
naturally
drives
up
housing
prices
among
other
factors.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
so
obviously,
boulder,,
it's
it's
much
more
challenging..
It's
much
like.
we
see
in
the
bay
area
where
there's
a
restricted
land
and
a
high
demand
to
live
in
the
area,
so
that
drives
up
the
the
cost,
even
more..
So
what
the
studies
mostly
say
is
that
not
one
option
can
solve
the
problem
that
that
really
has
there
has
to
be
a
multi
pronged
approach
at
trying
to
address
the
housing
crisis.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
but
we
also
noticed,
you
know,,
that
there
are
some
motivations
that
are
rooted
in
discrimination
against
people
of
color
and
lifestyles..
That's
something
that's
illustrated
in
our
racial
equity
plan..
So
a
number
of
communities
have
been
changing
their
occupancy
limits
or
eliminating
them
in
response
to
that.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
okay?,
karl
guiler,
cob:,
and
then
it's
also
or
2
persons
and
any
of
their
children
by
blood,
marriage,
guardianship,,
including
foster
children
or
adoption..
We
also
have
special
occupancy
regulations
for
a
to
use.
Co.
ops
in
group
living
uses
that
are
in
the
section.
we're
not
proposing
any
changes
to
those.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
this
is
the
definition
of
family.
it's
pretty
broad..
It
does
include
domestic
partnerships
and
same
sex
marriage.,
so
it's
very
broad.,
so
we're
not
proposing
any
changes
to
this
definition
of
family
city
council
asks
that
we,.
You
know,
be
clear
about
what
is
in
our
current
definition
with
the
public,
so
that
they're
aware..
If
anyone
thought
that
we
needed
to
we
look
at
this
definition.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
communities
throughout
the
us.
and
how
they
regulated
occupancy.
so
where
city
council
landed
was
just
looking
at
option
b,,
which
is
to
increase
to
4
or
5
unrelated
citywide..
So
we've
been
moving
in
that
direction..
They
also
asked
that
we
do
a
lot
of
public
outreach
on
this
topic.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
so
as
far
as
impacts,,
we
do
acknowledge
that
occupancy
does
raise
a
lot
of
concerns,
particularly
in
certain
areas
of
of
of
the
city
around
the
university.,
where
there
can
be
impacts
of
a
lot
of
students
living
on
site.
So
obviously
on
street
parking,
availability,
increased
activity,
trash
and
weeds,
you
know,
property,,
maintenance,,
house,
party
and
noise.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
these
are
eric,.
These
are
things
that
we
often
hear
in
university
towns..
It's
really
a
policy
question
about
whether
these
types
of
impact
should
be
specifically
tied
to
occupancy
or
handle
more
directly
other
communities
that
have
relaxed
their
occupancy,
regs
or
eliminated.
Them,
have
taken
a
policy.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
decision
to
basically
or
address
those
issues
directly,
rather
than
linking
them
to
how
many
people
are
living
in
the
in
the
units?.
There
are
some
challenges
with
that
kind
of
enforcement
for
occupancy.,
it's
very
difficult
to
really
determine
who
is
related
to
one
another
or
not,,
or
how
many
people
are
actually
living
with
a
within
a
unit..
So
it's
something
that
our
enforcement
officers
deal
with
commonly.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
but
we
do
address
complaints
on
occupancy..
So
if
there
are
instances
of
over
occupancy
that
they,
they
basically
have
to
be
remedied
by
the
next
leasing
cycle.
To
avoid
kicking
people
out
mid
leasing,
term.
however,,
if
there
are
any
instances
of
life,
safety
issues,
or
something
like
a
dangerous
living
condition.,
it
does
have
to
be
handled.
Immediately.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
martin
acres.,
we
attended
a.
an
a.
a
block
party
in
aurora
east,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
a
mixed
student
and
property
on
our
neighborhood..
We've
met
with
plan
boulder
we've
met
with
the
hill
revitalization
working
group
a
number
of
times.
We've
met
with
the
dean's
leadership
and
values
committee,,
which
is
basically
the
student
government.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
and
then
we've
we've
heard
input
on
the
topics
at
the
housing
advisory
board
and
planning
board
meetings..
We
also
did
a
be
heard,
boulder
questionnaire.,
so
there's
a
lot
of
detailed
feedback,
that's
difficult
to
go
over
everything.,
so
we
did
include
attachment,
b
and
c
of
the
pad
to
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
on
the
outreach.
I'll
touch
on
some
of
it.
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B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
it's
a
questionnaire.,
so
it's
not
intended
to
be
a
statistically
valid
survey
of
the
community,,
but
it
is
a
helpful
tool
that
we
use
among
other
tools
to
understand
community
sentiments.
and
we've
promoted
it
across
a
wide
variety
of
of
ways
to
stakeholders..
It
was
open
from
april
20,
seventh
to
may
20,
sixth.
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B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
we
do
acknowledge
that
roughly
300
submissions
were
made
from
the
same
devices.,
so
either
that's,
you
know,
a
family,
that's
using
the
same
computer.
or
it
might
be
people
that
are
choosing
to
resubmit
a
a
number
of
times..
We
do
acknowledge
that,,
but
we
do
think
that
it
is
helpful
to
get
a
read
on
what
the
the
community
thinks
on
these
topics..
So
attachment
c
goes
into
more
detail
on
the
the
be
heard
boulder,
questionnaire.
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B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
you
know,
hurt
their
neighborhood,,
but
not
even
address
the
issue
of
affordability..
So
that's
a
big
concern
in
those
areas..
When
we
talk
to
the
folks
in
aurora
east,,
it
was
more
mixed..
The
students
were
were
very
supportive
of
more
housing
options..
The
homeowners
were
not
necessarily
against
more
people
in
that
neighborhood,,
but
they
are
experiencing
parking
impacts.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
and
that
there's
a
number.,
a
lot
of
students,
know
other
students
that
live
in
situations
where
they're
over
occupied
and
have
low
housing
security..
So
if
you
know,,
there
is
a
complaint
about
a
a
residence
they
could
potentially
be,
you
know,
booted
out
of
their
living
situation,
which.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:,
when
we
talk
to
the
community
connectors
and
residents.,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
discussion
on
occupancy
limits
per
se,,
but
there
was
support
broadly
for
removing
occupancy
limits..
There
were
some
citing
that,
you
know..
It
does
come
from
discriminatory,
routes,
and
and
therefore
it
should
be
removed.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
but
what
we
found
was
that
there
was
more
support
shown
for
4
unrelated
citywide,
rather
than
5
unrelated
citywide..
When
we
looked
at
the
responses
for
5
unrelated.,
it
was
more
even..
There
was
a
majority
for
the
4..
When
we
looked
at
the
5,
there
was
a
lot
more
folks.
That.
had
submitted
definitely
do
not
support.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
most
of
the
respondents,
indicated
that
they
were
homeowners,
and
about
a
third
indicated
that
they
were
renters..
We
saw
more
support
for
changes
among
renters
and
younger
participants.,
but
more
than
half
of
the
respondents
felt
that
the
regulations
should
not
be
left
as
they
are.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
so
we
went
back
to
council
with
a
lot
of
this
information
on
june
fifteenth,
to
get
more
direction.
We
presented
all
the
data
studies
and
analogs
to
counsel
the
the
peer
community
information,
the
the
public
feedback
and
and
the
feedback
we
got
from
boards..
What
council,
basically
instructed
us
to
do
is
to
proceed
with
preparing
an
ordinance
that
would
increase
the
number
of
unrelated
occupants
to
5.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:
city
wide.,
karl
guiler,
cob:,
there
was
a
concern
raised
about
how
such
an
increase
per
unit
would
impact
areas
that
have
a
lot
of
non
conforming
dwelling
units,,
so
particularly
on
the
hill,
where
there's
a
lot
of
units
on
sites
that
are
well
over..
What
can
be
built
under
the
current
code,
and
what
that
impact
would
be
if
it
went
from
3
to
5,
or
4
to
5.
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B
Karl
guiler,
cob:
there
was
actually,.
I
think
it
was
4
failed
motions
last
night,,
but
ultimately
they
landed
on
a
recommendation
of
approval
on
on
a
4
to
3
vote
to
approve
the
ordinance,
but
they
did
add
some
conditions
that
they
wanted
passed.
Along
to
council.-
the
the
4
that
voted
for
it
felt
that
the
non
conforming
language
should
be
removed.
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B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
the
nonconforming
occupancy
section,,
which
is
9
8
5
c.
is
largely
the
same..
This
is
just
a
section
that
recognizes
that
there's
prior
changes
to
the
code,
where
there
might
have
been
dwelling
units
that
have
more
occupants
than
are
allowed
by
current
code,,
so
they
would
be.
they
would
all
be
allowed
to
continue
that.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:
95
d.
relates
to
non
conforming
uses.,
so
this
is
focusing
more
on
again
that
situation,
where
there's
more
dwelling
units
on
a
lot
than
are
currently
permitted..
So
that's
where
council
was
interested
in
us,
capping
the
amount
of
occupancy
increase
in
those
units.,
so
basically,.
If
you
had
a.
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B
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:
and
then
option
b
would
just
be
applying
it
to
the
zones
that
exist
around
the
university..
So
it
applies
to
the
zone.,
so
there
might
be
areas
away
from
the
university
that
are
under
the
same
zoning.
That
would
also
be
under
that
same
restriction
if
they
have
non
conforming
uses
on
their
site.
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
so
we've
provided
an
analysis
within
the
memo
that
states
that
we
believe
that
we
have
accomplished
the
purpose
and
and
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
project..
Looking
at
a
simple
solution.,
that's
different
from
the
bedrooms
or
for
commut
for
people
initiative..
We
find
that
the
ordinance
would
be
consistent
with
boulder
valley
comforts
of
plan.
Policy.,
so
we're
recommending
approval.
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Karl
guiler,
cob:
too
much
accuracy?
and
it's
an
issue.
because
you
you
you
may
reference
to
that.
but
yeah,
I
mean,.
We,
we
talked
to
a
number
of
different
communities..
There
was
actually
one..
I
think
it
might
have
been
bend
that
never
had
occupancy
regulations.,
so
they've,
just
kind
of
focused
more
directly
on
enforcement.,
most
of
the
other
ones
did
have.
B
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
I
think
a
lot
of
them
have
have
just
decided
to
make
a
policy
shift,
that
the
focus
is
not
going
to
be
necessarily
on
how
many
people
are
living
in
a
in
a
dwelling
unit,,
but
rather
like
what
are
the
impacts,.
If
it's,
you
know,
related
to
parking
or
noise
that
they
would
focus
more
on
that
through,
you
know,,
policing
and
enforcement.
B
D
D
Karl
guiler,
cob:
these,,
I
can
see
your
strength
from
where
they
are.
that's
something
that
we
always
have
available
to
us,
you
know,
in
our.,
and
it's
it's
obviously
something
that
has
to
come
from
council
and
council,.
I
think,
is
well
aware
of
it..
We
talked
about
it
at
the
june
meeting
that,
you
know..
If,
if
we
move
in
this
direction,
there
probably
has
to
be
some
more.
B
D
Daniel
teodoru:,
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
and
I
think
it's
a
a
good
step
in
the
right
direction..
I
think
I
would
have
some
concerns,
you
know..
That's
why
I
was
bringing
it
up.
With.
just
get
rid
of,.
I
can
to
restrictions
all
and
all,
because,
you
know,.
You
need
to
have
whatever
hours
and
you
quiver.
you
you
can
have
when,
when
you
run
into
problems
which
certainly
are
are.
D
Daniel
teodoru:,
if
and
when
we
run
into
problems,
and
deal
with
those
actual
external
impacts.,
I
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
approach.
and,
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
see
it,,
because
I've
always
felt
that
the
I
could
see
restrictions
as
the
way
they've
been
set.
Up..
You
know
the
family
versus
not
family,,
etc.
it's
been
a
little
bit.
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E
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
B
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:
tracking
it.,
karl
guiler,
cob:,
you
know,
like,
across
all
properties.
and
all
the
increases
is
gonna
require,
you
know,,
potentially
additional
staffing.
based
on
application
load
and
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff..
So
it's
something
that
I
can't
give
a
quick
answer:
to..
I
think
there
would
actually
have
to
be
a
whole
new
system
put
into
place
to
to
monitor
that.
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B
F
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
with
the
exception
that
karl
guiler,
cob:,
if
it's
a
nonconforming
use,
unit,
that
it
would
just
stay
where
it
is.
currently
yeah.
otherwise,,
yes,
city
wide.,
so
5
unrelated
city.
wide
is,
is
the
proposal..
Do
we
know
out
of
the
33,000
living
units
in
boulder,?
How
many
are
non
conforming,,
whether
they're
nonconforming.
F
B
B
B
A
A
B
B
B
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
so
you
can
see
if
the
ordinance
passes
an
in
a
conforming
unit
that
would
be
limited
to
3
unrelated..
Today
it
could
go
to
5
right?
and
then
in
a
multi
family
situation,.
You
might
have
some
units
that
have
4
unrelated
after
passage
of
the
ordinance..
It
would
go
to
5
in
each
unit,
and
again
in
conforming.
B
B
B
B
Karl
guiler,
cob:,
but
it
it's
really
karl
guiler,
cob:,
where
there's
more
dwelling
units
on
a
property
than
is
allowed
under
the
current
code..
So
you
can
look
at
the
multi-family
scenario
here
and
it
could
be
like
a
lot
that
has
6
units
on
it,
where
it
only
allows
a
single
family
house..
That's
a
non-conforming
use.
E
A
C
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:
go
for
it.
oh,.
Do
you
want
to
see
the
rest
of
the
scenario,
or
you?
no,?
I
I
will
say
the
the
scenario
world
that
you
explained
last
night.
That
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
was
like
around
university
hill..
It
was
single
family,
and
then
it
was
up,
zoned,
and
all
these
units
got
subdivided,
and
then
it
got
down
zone
again..
So
all
those
subdivided
units
are
still
there.
but
they're
no
longer
conforming
to
the
current.
B
B
B
F
A
H
H
H
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:-
that
was
the
an
amendment
that
I
suggested,
and
I
suggested
tying
it
to
the
rental
licensing
that
we
already
do.
you
know,.
Since
everybody
wants
to
rent
a
property
already
has
to
get
a
rental
license
through
the
city,.
You
have
to
meet
certain
sustainability
requirements
like
energy
efficiency
code
stuff,
that's
actually
quite
stringent..
You
have
to
get
your
house
inspect
and
bring
things
up
to
energy
code.
H
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
now
there's
some
debate
about
whether
landlords
actually
would
be
charging
more.
or
if
this
just
naturally
provides
market
rate
affordability,,
and
we
don't
have
to
do
anything
to
it.
guarantee
additional
portability..
I'm
not
gonna.
Go
into
that
too
much..
There's
debate
about
that.,
so
again,
my
suggestion
was
just
explore.
It.,
it's
not
mandatory,,
and
we
were
very
clear
that
we
didn't
want
this
to
stand
in
the
way
of
implementing
the
ordinance.
If
it.
If
staff
and
city
council
decided
it
was
not
feasible.
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
we
did
talk
about
the
parallel
potentially
to
the
eightyu
situation,
where
you're
offering
a
benefit
to
the
homeowner,
and
in
exchange,
you
ask
the
homeowner
to
help
meet
the
city's
affordability
calls.,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
thinking.,
but
we
didn't.,
but
we
discussed
that..
We
don't
know
if
this
is
feasible.,
we
don't
know
what
kind
of
administrative
burden.
it
would
pose..
H
H
A
F
F
B
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
the
house.
city
of
boulder
hab
meeting:
that
you
can
manage
4
or
5
cars,
typically,,
you
know.,
but
if
all
of
a
sudden
you
have
a
a
triplex
or
fourplex
or
a
duplex
or
apartment
complex,,
and
you
could
theoretically
put
5
people
in
each
2
bedroom
apartment
and
a
10
unit.
C
G
F
F
F
D
D
D
D
Karl
guiler,
cob:
pensive
in
terms
of
applying
it
here,
because
I
just
think
it,
it
just
starts
to
make
things
a
little
bit
more
challenging.
and
we're
we're
gonna
have
to,.
You
know,
work
with
our
attorneys
on
that,
too,,
because
even
that
the
80
you
example,,
it's
mostly
a
voluntary
type
thing,
and
we
haven't
really
had
to
go
into
any
kind
of
enforcement.
If
somebody,
you
know,
violates
it,,
and
if
we.
B
D
A
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
sorry,
I
city
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
even
though
I
can't
vote
I'll
speak
for
for
a
little
bit,,
because
I
know
he's
so
in
favor
of
this,.
And
you
know
he
came
from
the
bedrooms
with
people
who
meant,
and
he
set
a
note
about
the
same
ready
because
he
couldn't
be
here..
His
new
family.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
City
of
boulder,
hab,
meeting:
yeah,,
and
having
a
set,
that
separation
that
does
work
much
better.,
but
you
know,
people
who
are
in
2
million
dollars,
is
not
going
to
say,,
let's
red
our
extra
bedroom
to
student..
I
just
don't
see
that
increasing.
I
think
supply,
and
those
bedrooms
will
continue
to
be.
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
I
A
A
F
F
F
F
F
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:
demand
issue,,
you
know,.
If
you
have
a
3
bedroom,
house,
and
there's
3
people
living
in
there.,
you'll
pay
more
to
have
your
own
room..
If
you're
5
people
living
in
there,,
you'll
pay
less
because
you're
sharing
rooms.
and
it's
5
people
to
one,,
you
know.
I've
seen
that
there's
a
there's.
A
market
ability
to.,
it's
not
like
just
open
top,
you,
know,
and
and
our
brains
and
older,
are
pretty
recent.
F
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
you
can
have
a
a
10
flex
with
2
bedrooms,
50
people.
I
don't
know.,
I'm
sorry.
I
have
a
hard
time
with
that..
I
know
it
doesn't.,
it's
not
going
to
change
anything,,
but
it's
just
but
yeah,.
Sorry,
I
didn't
interrupt.,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
we're
people
we
want
to
testify..
So
I
wanted
to
make,
because
we're
supposed
to
limit
this
to
questions
only.
and
then.
A
I
C
E
I
E
A
G
G
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
the
following
examples
are
rules
of
decorum
found
in
there.
all
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business..
Please,
no
participant.,
she'll
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person,,
obscenities,
racial
epithets,
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise..
It's
the
ability
to
connect.
The
meeting
are
prohibited.
G
G
J
J
J
J
J
J
Eric
budd
(he
/
him):.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
mention
actually
was
already
mentioned
by
carl
giler..
Thank
you
about
madison,
wisconsin.,
and
so
we
don't
have
another
example
of
any
other
city
ever
implementing
a
re
affordability
requirement
on
on
occupancy.-
and
I
agree:
madison-
is
the
closest
analog,
and.
J
J
J
J
Eric
budd
(he
/
him):,
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
we
want
to
get
these
changes
in
places.
as
julianne
said,.
Many
people
are
living
in
over
occupied
situations.,
today,
they're,
currently
breaking
the
law
and
the
putting
extra
requirements
and
extra
friction
on
that
is
going
to
not
accomplish
the
mission,
which
is
to.
J
J
J
J
J
A
K
K
Rosie
fivian
aia:,
I
mean,
you
might
have
a
different
age,
or
a
lifestyle,
or
different
assets
than
a
student,
or
a
single
person,,
or
a
family,
or
a
retired
person
or
2
professional
couples,,
a
cooperative
group,
or
someone
struggling
to
find
shelter,
or
a
colleague
or
community
leader..
But
is
anyone
more
or
less
important,
or
more
or
less
deserving
of
a
home
or
access
to
housing.?.
K
Rosie
fivian
aia:,
I
would
argue
that
we
all
deserve
rosie
fivian
aia:
access
to
housing
and
moving
from
3
to
5
is
going
to
help
people.
I
support
raising
occupancy
limits.
City
citywide
to
5.
simply
put
it
opens
up
housing
options
for
people,,
whoever
they
might
be.
mark
mcintyre
was
so
eloquent
at
the
april.
Eighteenth
planning
board
meeting
about
the
role
of
government
planning,
board,,
and
I
hope
everybody
remembers
and
can
reflect
on
his
comments
at
that
past
meeting.
K
Rosie
fivian
aia:
on
this
new
code,
addition.,
it's
going
against
the
whole
idea
of
simplification
of
the
codes,
and
exactly
why
we
need
statewide
rules
that
eliminate
occupancy
altogether..
It's
just
way
too
granular
and
complicated
for
the
average
person
or
landlord
or
tenant
to
understand.
and
how
many,
you
know
parcels.
Does
this
apply
to??
I
think
there's
an
answer
tonight
of
1,200
that
we
didn't
have
last
night.,
but
can
we
just
improve
the
5
people
and
strike.
K
K
Rosie
fivian
aia:
5
people
are
5
people,
and
it's
time
to
remove
any
judgment.
and
what,
if
this
happens?
or
that
happens?
because,,
I
mean,
it's
a
huge
land
area
that
this
rl,
one
is
from
the
pre
map
presentation
that
we
can
share
with
people..
We
can
share
the
buildings,.
We
can
share
the
existing
infrastructure
and
the
empty
bedrooms
with
more
people.
K
K
Rosie
fivian
aia:,
it's
just
rosie
fivian
aia:,
the
the
building
codes.,
I'm
also
an
architect,
and
the
building
codes
have
requirements
already
in
place
that
take
care
of
all
of
the
safety
concerns,
such
as
egress,
windows,
smoke,
detectors,
carbon
monoxide
detectors,,
you
know,
doors
and
window
size
requirements..
So
we,
I
just
think
we
can't
make
judgments
on
people,
and
how
they
want
to
live.,
and
I
feel,
like
all
the
other
ordinances
are
already
addressed
with
our.
K
A
A
A
A
A
A
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
it
is,-
and
maybe
you
you
you'd-
have
some
personal
experience
with
it,
julian,,
but
it
was
a
parent
of
the
season..
I'm
hearing
more
and
more
about
c
students
who
live
outside
of
older
and
community..
I
mean
not
good
outcome.
For
anything,
I
mean
for
community,
for
traffic
congestion,,
for
you,
know,
convenience.,.
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A
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A
I
E
I
D
D
D
Daniel
teodoru:,
we
saw.
and
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
families
renting
over
there,
too,
and
a
lot
of
people,
you
know,
putting
their
kids
into
the
schools
down
south
boulder
over
there
and
stuff
like
that.,
and
you
know,.
You
end
up
with
a
lot
of
missing
bedrooms,
and
I
do
think,
there's
a
certain
level
of.
D
Daniel
teodoru:
market
factor
here
that
you
know
we'll
control
it
from
just
going
up
per
occupant
in
there,,
and
I
can
say,
like
I
rented
a
you
know,
ostensibly
is
you
could
call
it
as
high
as
a
5
bedroom.
you
know,.
There
is
very
few
people
in
there,
and-
and
I
would
love
to
see
something
where
the
occupancy
wouldn't
become
an
artificial.
D
D
Daniel
teodoru:,
you
know,
the
fact
that
you
can
get
creative
roommates
in
place
that
can
kind
of
deal
with
some
of
those
things.
and
and
so,
you
know,,
rather,
I
I
think
it..
Maybe
it
puts
10
in
in
a
little
bit
better
of
a
negotiating
position
than
if
they
weren't
there.,
which
is
I,.
I
think,,
you
know
we
what
julie
is
just
saying.,
so
I
I
think
I
I.
D
daniel
teodoru:,
I
I
think,
there's
more
positive
than
negative,
and
I'm
I'm
pretty
supportive
of
it,
just
because
I
think
it's
been
a
arbitrary
restraint
that
now
we're
not
just
get
rid
of,,
because
that
would
concern
me..
But
it's
something
where,.
You
know
we're
taking
a
few
gentle
steps
in
the
right
direction..
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know
can
have
a
positive
effect.
F
F
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
if
it
is
per
person,,
it's
still
better
that
they're
living
here,,
you
know.,
you
see
what
I'm
saying
so
bad
that
they're
living
across
the
street
or
down
the
block..
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
make
sense
about
this,,
but
I
think
overall
allowing
more
people
to
live
in
the
buildings
that
we
already
have..
C
D
Daniel
teodoru:,
I
think
you
know
it's
not..
Every
landlord
is
a
you
know
we're
in
a
top
hat
and
swirling
their
moustache..
A
lot
of
people
are
trying
to
figure
out..
So
from
that
perspective,
you
know,.
There
is
definitely
a
disparity
between
rental
rates
and
mortgage
rates.
if
you're
buying
something
nowadays,
right?,
especially
if
you're
just
a
normal
individual.,
and
so
I
think,
with
all
those
things..
It's
just
a
question.
Of.
loosen
this
up
a
little..
My
suggestion
is
one
thing,,
one
approach
that
we
might
want
to
take.
Here.
D
Daniel
teodoru:
cause,
I
I
I'd,
be
afraid
to
open
up
the
can
of
worms
like
terry,
just
mentioned,
and
and
room
carl's
week,,
so
I'd
say,
but
maybe
what
we
could
do
is
say,
you
know,.
We
we're
supportive
of
this.,
but
here
are
some
things
that
we
think
deserve,
you
know,
some
further
attention,
or
some,
you
know,
further
concern,,
but
we're
supportive
of
this..
That
could
be
a
way
we
b
for
kate,
some
of
our
reticence
with
our
overall,.
You
know.,
don't
let
the
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
the
good.
A
A
E
E
D
D
D
G
G
A
H
A
A
G
G
D
D
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
it's
the
ceremonies
right
on
site.,
so
it's
just
going
to
be.
it's
a
buddy
of
mine
who
ordained
himself
online
or
something
like
that.
and
then
and
then
right
to
the
party..
So
great,
dan,.
You
know
what
absolutely
5
of
me:
I'm
not
allowed
to.!
I
just
found
out..
So
I
got
my
son's
my
best
man..
He
doesn't
have
any
close..
We
gotta
go
shopping,
tomorrow.
D
A
A
A
A
F
A
F
G
F
G
G
A
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
we
so
many
things
to
look
at
that.
We
didn't
actually
cover.
yeah,,
there's
exactly
no,
and
we
didn't
even
make
it
to
everything
that
we
had
on
the
list..
So
maybe
we
could
do
some
some
of
the
stuff
new
here,,
maybe
cover..
We
didn't
do
much
in
south
pole.,
it's
a
little
more
sparse
in
south
building.
yeah.
G
H
I
A
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
the
open
house
was
extremely
well
attended.,
but
j,
were
you
there?
yeah,.
I
think
it
was
over
100,.
Maybe
150
people
like
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
had
to
leave.
Early.
staff
gave
a
presentation
about
where
they're
at.
they
have
developed
for
scenarios..
I
don't
know..
Phillip
has
told
you
what
those
4
scenarios
are.
basically,
the
first
scenario:
is,
keep
the
airport,
basically
as
it
is,,
but
with
enhanced
maintenance,,
bring
it
up
to
up
to
speed.
basically,,
it's
kind
of
dilapidated.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:
in
scenario,
is
actually
to
grow
the
aviation
services
of
the
airport
in
various
ways..
The
third
scenario
is
to
add
neighborhood
serving
uses
to
the
airport
to
actually
like,
bring
in
a
cafe,
bring
in
an
aviation
museum.,
maybe
bring
in
that
stem
learning
center
for
kids
like
bring
different
neighborhood
kind
of
activities
onto
the
airport
site,
itself.
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
some
folks
have
said,,
maybe
that
that's
not
kosher
with
the
faa..
So
there's
a
feasibility
to
be
done
with
that..
That's
the
third
scenario.,
that's
the
concept.,
and
then
the
fourth
scenario
is
decommissioned..
The
airport
almost
entirely
keep
the
head
of
a
pad
for
emergency
operations,,
but
basically
get
rid
of
the
runways,
decommission
almost
everything,
and
build
a
new
neighborhood
there
that
housing
and
neighborhood
serving
uses.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
it
would
be
an
opportunity
to
imagine
something:
new,
and
philip
and
ryan
branch
too
hard.,
who
is
the
liaison
from
transportation,
board,
and
he's
also
running
for
city.
Council.-
philip
and
ryan.
just
run
an
op.
ed.
that
appeared
in
the
boulder.,
be
today
with
a
vision
for
housing
at
the
airport,
and
what
they
think
that
could
look
like.
H
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
the
existing
airport
community
of
pilots
and
tenants
at
the
airport,,
not
just
the
ones
who
live
here,,
but
also
once
you
use
it
from
around
the
state
and
beyond,
are
participating
heavily..
So
if
folks
from
the
community
want
to
have
a
voice
in
this,,
I
would
encourage
you
to
go
to
the
be
her
boulder
site.
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:
do
the
different,
scenarios,
and
register
your
opinions
on
what
you
think
the
future
would
be
the
process
from
here..
This
is
our
last
big
public
input
window
that
staff
are
anticipating..
Originally,
the
plan
was
that
they
would
try
to
take
all
the
public
input,
not
just
from
be
heard
boulder
in
the
open
house,,
but
other
things
that
they're
doing
as
well,,
including
community
meetings
and
talking
with
various
folks,
and.
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:
take
all
of
that
and
some
analysis,
and
come
back
to
city
council
with
a
preferred
scenario.
they're,
no
longer
trying
to
narrow
down
to
a
preferred.
Scenario..
Now
they're
saying
that
they're
going
to
go
to
city
council
with
all
4
scenarios
and
the
analysis
and
the
public
input.
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:
in
my
mind?,
some
folks
see
it
differently.
the
big
question.
Is,:
do
we
want
to
have
an
airport
into
the
future?
and
if
so,,
what
does
that
look
like??
Or
do
we
want
to
have
a
neighborhood,
because
that's
a
whole
different
pathway
that
would
involve
negotiating
with
the
faa
to
try
to
decommission
it
and
think
about
what
to
build
there.
H
H
H
F
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:
for
limited
capacity
and
hub
and
add
housing.,
so
the
third
scenario,,
with
neighborhood
serving
uses..
I'm
sorry
I
forgot
to
mention
they
are
talking
about
some
limited
amount
of
housing.
They
were
originally
describing
that
as
live
work,
housing
that
would
be
like.
for
example,
you're,
a
pilot,
and
you
have
a
hangar
with
a
plane.,
and
now
you
have
an
apartment
over
that
you
can
live
in
so
sort
of
live
work,
housing.
H
H
City
of
boulder,
hab,
meeting:
airport
community
that
lives
there..
It
could
be
in
other
people
that
that
it
could
be
students,
student
pilots..
It
could
be
community
serving
that..
They
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
that's
to
be
determined.,
but
I
think
that
would
be
relatively
a
small
amount
of
housing
on
the
order
of
versus
thousands.
If
it
was
a
new
neighborhood,.
Probably
a
couple
of
1,000.
F
F
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:.
I
think
that
it's
kind
of
both..
I
think
that
there's
a
question
mark
around
whether
the
faa
will
allow
it.
some
folks
have
said
it
is
possible.
It
has
happened
at
other
airports,
and
other
folks
have
said,
well,,
that's
grandfathering,
or
that's
a
car
b,
or
that's
an
exception.
and
faa
is
not
going
to
go
there,
anymore.
or,
and
it's
it's
sort
of
a
question..
F
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
so
we
probably
know
what
that
means..
If
it's
an
option,
as
anybody
explored
that
more
than
just
talking
about
it.
there,,
there
have
been
a
few
times
after
25
miles:
away.
well,
state
content
is
different.,
because,,
yeah.
and,
and
you
know,,
I
think,,
probably
all
know
this..
The
faa
does
not
like
to
decommission
airports..
They
would
probably
fight
it
they,.
The
way
that
the
grant
agreements
are
written.,
they
don't.
H
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:
and
the
airports
that
have
managed
to
do
it.,
it
has
been
a
legal
battle..
It's
my
what
I
think.
at
least
some
of
them
have
had
to
go
through
litigation.,
so
there
are
at
least
3
examples
of
airports
that
have
managed
to
negotiate
with
the
faa
to
completely
decommission.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
I
I
have
a
list..
I
can
send
it
to
you..
We
they
even
gave
it
to
us
as
a
slide
at
the
first
room
for
meeting..
Sorry,
I
should
have
it
on
top
of
my
head.,
but
there's
somebody
names
that
get
banded
around,
and
sometimes
the
airport
has
multiple
names
and
the
airport
name.
That's
pretty
tough.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting::
they
they
gave
up
the
presentation.
but,
yeah,,
it
doesn't
happen
often,
and
it's
not
easy..
You
have
to
really
want
it..
So
it's
a
it's
a
decision
point,.
It
would
definitely
take
negotiation
at
the
very
least,
with
the
faa,
and
probably
litigation..
There
would
also
be
some
costs.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:-
I
can
talk
more
about
that
if
you
want.,
but
I
don't
want
to
dominate
here..
So
that's,
but
that's
where
we're
at
is
some
people
get
to
request
more
information,,
and
some
of
these
things
are
information
that
city
council
is
probably
going
to
request
like,.
What
does
it
actually
take
to
decommission
the
airport?
and
what
are
the
case?
studies.
H
A
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab,
meeting:
selling
it
to
the
city,
selling
it
to
developers.
For
development.-
so
the
idea
would
be
for
creating
a
new
neighborhood..
You
would
sell
some
of
it
at
market
rate
to
pay
back
the
faa,
and
we
could
possibly
sell
some
of
it
at
reduced
prices
to
get
additional,
affordable.
Housing.
basically
make
you
deal
with
developers.
you'll
hear
mark
wallace
talk
about
this
view.
watch,
the
city
council
meeting.
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
you
get
the
land
for
cheap.,
but
the
condition
is
you
have
to
build.
What
we
want
you
to
build,,
which
is,
you
know,
middle
income,
affordability,
or
it's,.
You
know,
low
income,
housing
at
a
greater
percentage,
right?.
Even
if
we
just
sold
the
land
all
at
market
rate,
as
you
all
know,
25,
is
that
obligation
to
the
inclusionary
housing
program
to
either
build
it
on
site
or
pay
the
cash
in
loo..
So
you
know,.
H
H
H
F
H
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:
proponents
have
their
arguments
as
well,
how
every
airport
is
valuable,
and
you
close
one,
and
it
squeezes
traffic
to
the
others,
and
that
causes
ripple
effects.
and
you
know,.
I
I
think
it's
a
rich
conversation..
My
perspective
from
planning
board
has
been..
Let's
have
all
the
perspectives
represented.,
let's
get
all
the
data
and
the
data
makes
good
decisions.,
and
that
includes
the
stories
of
community
members.,
both
the
people
who
love
the
airport
and
the
people
who
might
be
able
to
live
there
if
it
were
a
neighborhood.
right?.
A
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting::
well,
we
first,
we
first
saw
this
in..
So
when
planning
board,
looked
at
the
capital
improvement
program
last
year
last
august
there
was
a
line
in
there
for
the
airport
master
plan
update,,
and
we
were
like
great..
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
do
what
it
says
in
the
bolt
of
rally
comprehensive
plan,,
which
is
that
the
time
of
the
next
airport
master
plan
update,.
We
would
look
at.
H
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:
city
will
work
with
the
community
to
assess
the
potential
for
developing
a
portion
of
the
airport
for
housing
and
neighborhood
serving
uses
use.
that's
right
in
the
whole
of
really
comprehensive
plan..
So
we
really
promoted
that
last
august
before
any
of
this
was
designed.
H
E
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:.
Are
there
any
designers?
Architects
like
trying
to
visualize
what
this
can
look
like??
That
is
a
great
question..
I
think
staff
would
say
that
that's
premature,
and
so
I
don't
think
anybody
has
been
commissioned
to
do
that..
I
think
that
there
are
people
who
would
be
interested
in
doing
that,,
but
I
don't
think
anybody
has
sat
down
to
do.
That.
lisa
morzel
was
part
of.
she's
she's
the
person
who
put
that
language
into
the
bowler
valley
comprehensive
plan
to
say,.
Let's
look
at
the
airport
for
housing.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
the
group
that
did
the
visioning
for
holiday,
and
north
older,
and
then
north
folder.,
so
community
plan
back
in
the
nineties.
and
so
she's,
really
a
proponent
of.
Let's
do
that
again.,
let's
bring
in
architects.,
let's
bring
in
designers.
and
let's
really
be
progressive
and
imagine
what
this
community
could
be
if
we
can
build
it
from
the
ground
up..
So
I
think
there
are
people
who
are
interested
in
it..
I
would
like
to
see
that
happen..
I
don't
think
that
that
has
actually
taken
off
yet.
A
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:
way
back
in
the
early
nineties.
When
you
know
this
new
airport
was
being
built,,
but
they
established
the
vision
in
1,985,
with
a
social
degree
book,,
which
is,
you
know,
about
a
general
planning
document
for
the
established
principles..
This
is
going
to
be
a
sustainable,
you
know,
transit,,
and
one
of
all,
and
family
friendly
that
parks
and
schools,
and.
A
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
it
used
to
be
an
airport.
right?
yeah.
and
what
kind
of
clean
up
like?
so
environmental
remediation
is
a
question
like,.
What
kind
of
cleanup
would
be
entailed.,
and
so
I
think
if
it's
a
good
example
of
you
know,,
what
did
it
cost??
What
did
you
have
to
go
through??
How
did
you
do
your
visioning,
process?
right?.
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
so
it's
not
a
great
example
of
decommissioning
with
the
faa,
because
they
didn't
completely
be
commissioned
just.,
but
for
the.
What
does
it
take
to
take
the
actual
land
and
do
something
to
try
it.,
it's
a
great
example,
right?
and
for
the
jet,
for
it's,?
You
know,
environmental.,.
H
City
of
boulder
hab,
meeting:
yeah.,
but
I
mean,
anytime
you'll,
have
a
fuel
tank
which
we
do.,
you
know,
anything
like
happening
for
bust,
leaking
underground
storage,
tanks,
like,,
basically
anytime,
you
have
a
storage
tank.,
it
leaks..
So
there's
definitely
going
to
be
some
remediation,
required.
H
E
A
A
A
A
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting::
what's
the
street
plan
that,
like
that?,
we
have
connectivity.
a
big
one,
is
how
much
retail
and
where
we
put
it,
because
look
at
the
other
parts
of
the
reunion,
they
built
the
retail.
what?,
they
did
not
come
in.
We
still
so
it
was
the
second,
for
example,
copy
training,
retail
and
notes.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
it's
a
great
to
say..
You
know:
we've
pursued
the
greatest
matter,
housing
and
here's.
Why
and
that,
you
know,
it's
something
we
might
have
to,,
but
not
to
our
gender
and
outlaws..
So
I've
already
done
that
pretty
here,
and
you
can
go
read
about
that
outline
and
council,.
I
think,
is
probably
going
to
get
something
to
build
on
that
in
september..
A
A
A
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
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H
G
City
of
boulder,
hab
meeting:,
just
a
different
way
to
get
there,
a
different
way
to
get
there.,
and
that
was
going
to
be
a
really
innovative,
like
car
sharing
like
almost
no
parking,
onsite
senior
living,
and
in
the
seniors
would
have
cars
that
they
could
share
for
trips
and
stuff.
Like
that.,
it's
going
to
be
a
very
cool
project..
I
think
everybody
is
really
disappointed
with
that
kind
of
fell,
through.
A
A
F
A
A
A
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
I
was
in.
city
of
boulder
hab
meeting:.
I've
been
on
anna
before.
they've,
been
both
in
a
little
summer.
and
I've
never
been
there,.
I
thought,
wow!
they're
fun,
since.,
it's
like
boulder
30
years.
Ago.!
That's
not
really
true.!
It's
this
interesting
from
the
housing
perspective.
A
A
A
A
A
A
F
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
whether
there's
to
call
these,
or
short,
buildings,
or
1,000
miles
of
development
or
not..
If
people
want
to
be
better
because
it's
nice,
and
they
like
it.
prices,
are
going
to
go,
and
I'm
still
in
favor
of,.
You
know,
having
a
lot
of
having
a
vulgar
and
trying
to
address
the
issue,,
especially
if
we
have
a
25%
of
our.
A
A
A
A
C
A
H
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:.
If
anybody
is
interested
in
the
history
of
the
citizen
ballot
initiative
that
led
to
our
height
restriction.,
I
just
got
a
really
fascinating
article
that
brad
mueller
and
the
planning
department
shared
with
me..
That's
like
it
was
written
by
one
of
the
main
authors
of
that
height,
restriction,
ballot
measure,,
and
it
goes
through
all
the
politics
and
what
was
happening
at
the
time.
city
council
was
in
favor
and
improving
100
foot
tall
building
stuff
like
that..
How
we
got
that
55.,
but
he.
H
F
City
of
boulder
hab
meeting:,
it's
kind
of
it
goes
with
the
offers,
and
that
whole
thing,,
the
blue,
line,
the
whole
deal.
yeah,.
It
was
connected
with
a
lot
of
those.
and
it's
the
same
era,
right?,
it's
like
in
70..
It's
a
lot
of
environment
for
all
concern,
and
apparently
both
was
instrumental
in
passing
the
high
restriction.