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Lynn,
segal:
disclaimer
that
happens
ahead
of
time,
because
I've
heard
it
50
times,
and
you
should
have
it
as
a
disclaimer
that
you
sign
off
on..
So
you
don't
have
to
waste
your
time,,
because
your
time
is
more
important
than
my
time
and
my
time.
I
resent
having
used
this
way,
also,
and
also
there's
no
excuse
about
security
for
not
having
a
video
window
it.
When
I
go
to
the
state
house
down
at
the
capital.,
they.
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Lynn,
segal:
and
you've
got
a
problem
because
I'm
complaining
to
you,
because
I'm
not
going
to
go
up
the
echelons
to
complain.,
I'm
going
to
say
I
can't
see
you.,
you
can't.,
you
know
you
can.,
you
can't
see
me.
This
doesn't
make
a
relationship
between
us,
and
also
I
can't
see
who
is
at
this
meeting.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
I'll,
also
talk
about
the
schedule
on
next
city
of
boulder
hab
board:
steps
up
first
off,,
because
we
are
in
the
the
community
engagement
part
of
the
project
for
predominantly
to
get
feedback
on
this
project
and
the
zoning
for
affordable,
housing,.
So
I'll
touch
on
that.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:.
So
these
are
the
questions
we're
going
to
pose
to
the
board
tonight.
the
first
2
is,
we're
all
pause
after
I
give
a
little
bit
of
background.,
so
the
first
is
just..
Does
housing
advisory
board
have
any
questions
on
the
city's
occupancy
regulations
that
we
currently
have
on
the
books?.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
occupancy
regulations
that
are
in
our,
but
our
building
and
fire
codes
that
are
done
for
safety
purposes..
So
it's
a
maximum
amount
of
people
you
can
have
in
the
building,
so
that
if
there
is
an
emergency
or
something
that
people
can
safely
get
out.,
so
we're
not
talking
about
that..
That's
not
changing.!
That's
in
the
international
building
code.!
That's
pretty
uniform
for
a
lot
of
cities
across
the
country..
What
we're
talking
about
is
occupancy
regulations
that
are
actually
in
our
zoning
standards
or
within
our
land
use
code..
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
today
on
be
her
boulder..
So
I
really
encourage
anyone
who's
watching
this
meeting
or
board
members.
Anyone
to
pass
it
around
that
for
people
to
go
to
be
her
boulder.org
it'll.
Take
you
right
to
a
link
to
the
occupancy
reform,,
and
so
only
for
portable
housing
questionnaire.,
it's
really
quick..
It
should
be
like
about
5
min
to
answer
some
of
the
questions..
We
also
have
a
qr.
code.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
up
on
the
screen..
So
if
anybody
is
watching,,
just
use
your
phone
to
to
click
on
that,
I'll
bring
the
qr.
code
up
at
periodic
parts
in
the
presentation,.
So
people
can
click
on
that
as
well.,
but
we're
hoping
to
get
a
lot
of
feedback
on
these
projects
moving
forward
so
that
we
can
report.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
the
findings
of
that
feedback
to
council
at
a
check
in..
So
the
next
check
in
with
council
is
going
to
be
on
june
fifteenth..
It's
a
matters
item,,
but
but
we're
basically
in
a
report
back
on
our
analysis
of
the
options
and
the
feedback
that
we're
getting
as
far
as
the
overall
project..
The
goal
is
to
really
start
developing
an
ordinance.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:.
So
it's
something
that
we're
monitoring
the
the
legislative
session
ends
on
may
eighth..
So
by,,
then
we'll
know
if
this
passes
on,.
How
that
could
affect
us.,
and
the
thing
that
we
want
to
make
clear
is
that
if
the
state
were
to
pass
some
of
the
legislation
that
said,
you
have
to
have.
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City
of
boulder
hab,
board:,
duplexes
and
triplexes,
and
the
same
family
areas
or
up
zone
areas
along
key
corridors,
or
allow
a
to
use
everywhere
like
prohibit
occupancy..
If
it's
a
state
mandate,,
we
would
have
to
move
forward
with
that,
and
we
would
make
changes
to
our
codes
to
apply..
But
we're
still
monitoring
that
to
see
what
happens.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
so
the
city
has
been
taken
different
approaches
to
this.
over
time.
in
the
19
eighties,
we
kept
records,
we
still
do..
We
had
zoning
inspectors
that
want
each
unit
to
find
out
what
the
occupancies
were
before
the
zoning
changed,
and
then
an
ordinance
basically
locked
in.
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City
of
boulder
hab,
board:
grandfathered,
those
occupancies.,
so
we
still
consult
those
records
today,.
Whenever
you
know
a
building
permit
comes
in
in
1993,,
a
more
restrictive
approach..
I
was
applied
by
the
council
the
time
to
get
rid
of
all
of
that
non,
conforming
occupancy
and
basically
apply.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
the
occupancy
that
was
in
the
code
as
as
of
1993
as
you
can
imagine.
a
lot
of
landlords
didn't
agree
with
that..
They
they
lost
a
lot
of
income..
There
were
a
lot
of
un
rented.
You
know
bedrooms
because
of
it.,
so
there
was
a
a
a
push
back
that
ultimately
led
to
a
reversal.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
of
that
legislation
in
1,998.,
so
it
basically
brings
us
up
to
the
current
day
of
how
we
go
about
it..
Some
of
the
the
latest
changes
which
I'll
talk
more
about
what
the
actual
occupancy
limits
are
on
on
the
next
part
upcoming
slide..
But
some
of
the
latest
changes
are
we
added
new
occupancy
regulations
for
co-ops
or
cooperative
housing..
That
was
2,017.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
a
limit
of
3
unrelated
persons
per
unit.
and
then
all
other
zooms
are
basically
for
unrelated
persons
per
unit..
So
I
have
a
map
on
the
next
slide.
that'll
show
you
kind
of
that
breakdown..
We
also
have
the
2
persons
and
their
children,,
which
is
kind
of
similar
to
what
I
was
talking
about
with
the
a.
to
use.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
you
know,,
like
a
group
home.
typically,.
We
have
special
regulations
within
our
code
that
allow
higher
occupancies
for
group
homes.,
so
it's
usually
like
6
to
8
persons
within
a
group
home,
or
some
of
those
institutional
uses.
That's
very
consistent
with
what
we've
seen
in
the
research
of
looking
at
other
communities
throughout
the
country.
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Dannyteodoru:
alright,
danny?,
I
his
hand
up
and
thank
you
for
for
pointing
that.
Out.
sorry
alright,,
just
karl,,
if
you
could.,
so
when
when
you
have
the
definition
up
there,
and
you
had
that,,
I
think
a
big
thing,,
because
I
think
it's
tremendous,
this
whole
conversation,,
but
maybe
just
kind
of.
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City
of
boulder
hab,
board:
yeah,,
I
mean,
basically,,
you
know,
if,,
if
city
of
boulder
hab
board:,
if
there's
not
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
within
a
single
family
unit,
up
there,,
there
could
be
a
family,
and
then
they
can
have
2
unrelated
persons
that
they
might
run
out
to.
so
that
provision
basically
does
want
it's.
It's
aiming
at
keeping
that
as
accessory
for
area
within
the
unit..
So
it's
a
maximum
of
of
one-third..
That's
something!
We've
not
really
heard
many
comments
on,,
but
I
I
think
it's
something
we
could
look
at,.
If
that's
necessary.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:,
university
type
towns,,
but
up
varying
sizes.,
we
we..
We
have
some
that
we
call
your
communities,
others
that
you
know
a
little
larger
cities,
just
to
see
what
they
do,.
You
know
to
to
look
for
best
practices,
or
you
know
things
like
that.,
so
we
looked
at
all
their
family
definitions..
We
looked
at
the
occupancy
limits
that
were
in
single.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
and
if
you
wanted
to
go
to
3
like
the
rest
of
the
city.,
it
had
to
be
an
owner
occupied
unit..
So
we
thought
that
was
interesting..
We
reached
out
to
madison,,
and
then
we
found
out
that
they
had
a
lot
of
complications
with
that
a
particular
approach,
and
they
were
actually
in
the
process
of
removing
that.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
you
know
I
I.
I
certainly
heard
that
a
lot
during
the
bedroom
circle
people
campaign
that
one
of
the
major
concerns
was
investors.,
we're
going
to
buy
a
single
family
homes,
and
then
are
about
7
8
9
bedrooms
from
the
dining
room
into
a
bedroom..
Let's
reform
this
closet
into
a
bedroom.
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city
of
boulder
hab
board:,
and
that
was
one
of
the
concerns
that
a
lot
of
people
express
that,
and
then
voted
it
down,
and
I'm
sure
that
wasn't
the
only
concern
of
people
who
voted
no.,
but
you
know,
with
the
vote
being
close,.
I
think
that
that
was
part
of,
you
know.,
maybe
maybe
it
did
swing
the
vote
4
because
of
that
concern.
who
knows?.
So
I
think
the
idea
was
to
try
a
different
approach..
So
then
would
the
process
be.
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Dannyteodoru:,
what's
the
best
way
to
handle
this,
and
and
so
a
lot
of
times.,
it's
very
fortunate
that
referendums
don't
pass
because
they're
drafted
as
they're
drafted,
and
then
that's
what
you
have
to
either
accept.
or
deny..
But
I
think
it's
absolutely
within
the
purview.
and
a
good
thing,
for
you
know,.
Given
the
the
results
of
that
vote.
I
Dannyteodoru:
fully
drafted
or
or
ill
fated,
etc.
so
I
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
for
them
to
do
this
and
take
this
up,
and
it's
still
a
public
process,
and
there's
still
an
opportunity
to
address
these
things..
But
it
makes
a
whole
lot
of
sense,
and
it's
actually
very
common
when
you
have
a
failed
referendum
for
it
to
be
followed
by
something
saying.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
what
what
a
a
person
is?
Always
one
person,
or
is
it,-
I
mean
because
there
was
a
thing
up
there:
a
better
go
like
a
family
with
2
adults?.
If
one
of
those
they'll
have
a
child
with
that
deal.
or
yeah,,
I
mean,
right
now,.
The
way
it
is
in
the
code
is
it's
pretty
strictly
3
or
4
unrelated.,
it
doesn't
actually
say
dependence..
It's
only
the
eightyu
language
that
references
dependence.,
it's
little
tricky,
because
we
don't
really
define.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
allowing
more
folks
to
live
in
units,
would
be
system
of
city
housing
and
racial
equity.
goals,
like
I
talked
about
before
the
potential
impacts
from
increased
occupancy,
may
not
be
more
always
more
than
that
of
a
large
family..
That's
something
we've
heard
over
and
over
again
that
should
be
handled
through
enforcement.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
but
it
would
help
students
that
would
need
to
live
together,
due
to
the
high
rental
costs
that
more
students
could
kind
of
balance
out.
The
the
monthly
rent.
reduced
violations
would
add
more
housing
security..
Obviously,
there
are
some
folks
that
are
living
illegally,
and
you
know.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
as
far
as
those
that
are
opposed,
to,
or
cautious
to
increasing
the
occupancy
limits.
there's
a
perspective
that
just
adding
housing
fly
alone
will
not
make
a
difference,
largely
because
of
the
demand
of
living
in
boulder
that
because
people
pay
so
much
for
housing,
that
landlords
are
just
gonna
end
up.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
so
these
are,
I
won't,
spend
too
much
time
on
these.,
but
these
are
the
options
that
we
presented
to
city
council,,
based
on
our
research
of
the
other
communities,,
so
that,
increasing
the
maximum
number
of
occupants
in
all
zones
by
one,.
So
that's
like
all
the
threes
would
become
4,
and
all
the
floors
would
become
5.
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City
of
boulder
hab,
board:,
8
council
members
supported
moving
forward
with
option
b,,
which
is
4
or
5,,
but
really
try
to
get
more
engagement
on
where
the
community
might
be.
on
those
those
limitations.
one
city,
council
member
was
not
in
support
of
increasing
the
occupancy
against
the
will
of
the
voters.
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F
City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
all
the
council
members
agreed
that
we
should
expand
the
level
of
community
engagement,
again.
all
what
might
plug
out
there
for
the
be
heard.
boulder..
The
qr.
code
will
come
up
soon
again,
if
you
wanted
to
to
see
it.
but
again
pass
that
along
to
everyone,,
because
we
do
want
to
hear
feedback
on
this.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
and
then
there
were
a
couple
of
council
members
that
raised
concern
about
the
family
definition,
and
whether
we
should
not
be
looking
at
realizing
that,
or
getting
rid
of
it.,
so
we'd
be
told..
If,
if
the
state
legislation
passes
as
it
is,,
we
may
have
to,,
because
the
way
it's
written
right
now
is
it
says
we're
not
supposed
to
regulate
occupancy
based
on
whether
people
are
related
or
not..
So
we're
still
waiting
to
see
what
the
state
does
with
that.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
since
that
meeting
we're
gonna
start
looking
more
at
the
with
the
west
coast,
cities,
a
lot
of
the
changes
that
they
made
are
relatively
recent..
So
it's
not
like
you
change
the
occupancy,
limits.
and
then,
all
of
a
sudden.
The
units
go
to
like
12
people,
or
a
unit
like
overnight..
That's
not
the
case.,
but
we're
we're
gonna
start
digging
a
little
bit
more
into
like
what
kind
of
impacts
might
come
from
that.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
or
no
limit,,
their
average
number
of
people
per
unit
was
actually
pretty
similar
to
denver.
and,
in
fact,
denver,
I
think,
might
be
even
had
a
little
bit
of
a
higher
average
per
unit
than
even
vancouver,,
despite
the
density
up
there,.
But
I
I
think
it's
something
that
you
know..
If
I,
if
those
are
liberalized,,
it
would
have
to
take
a
long,
long
time
to
see.
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I
can
have
troubles.
remembering
the
census
word
that
she
used
vocabulary..
It
was
like
a
puma
or
something
like
that..
There's,
there's
a
there's,
a
census
category
that
includes
folder,
that's
about
240,000
people.
and
she
said,
from
that
data.
You
could
you
could
estimate
there's
about
75,000,
empty
bedrooms.
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of
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hab
board:,
helping
people
think
through
the
process
of
finding
roommates,
and
what
considerations
to
make.,
and
so
I
just
started
doing
that.,
and
could
I
just
add
to
that
phone?
I
mean
what
I
hear
a
lot
to..
This
is
sort
of
the
sports
that
go
along
with
that
right?,
so
you're,
not
just
sharing
housing.
you're,
supporting
each
other.
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Dannyteodoru:
the
number
of
dannyteodoru:
homes
that
that
are
being
scooped
up
by,,
you
know,
corporate
interests
and
stuff
like
that,,
and
we
had
that
conversation
a
month
or
2
ago,
and
it,
and
it's
pretty
real
from
from
everything
that
I
understand.,
but
I
think
best
way
to
curtail
any
abuses
as
far
as
that,
goes,
would
be
through
the
the
rental
regulations
rather
than
say,.
Let's
throw
this
out,
because,
you
know,
corporations
are
going
to
try
to
abuse
it,,
which
of
course
they
would..
I
from
that
reason,
though,
too..
I
also
applaud
the
whole
notion
of.
I
I
Dannyteodoru:
most
people
that
are
that
are
gonna
violate
this
or
that
are
in
violation,
or
violating
it
already..
Let's
just
be
realistic,
right,
and,
and
if
you
all
you
have
to
do,
is
just
what
one
of
my
one
of
my
bike
routes.
I
go
through
the
hill,
and
you
you
can't
even
tell
who
lives
where
half
the
time
right?
that's
just
part
of
the
reality
of
it.,
that's,
that's
and
and
enforcement
would
be
really
daunting.
There
anyhow.,
and
so
I
think,
having
some
sort
of
more
restrictive
distinction.
There.
I
Dannyteodoru:
isn't
going
to
do
anything
except
probably
exacerbate
the
problem
and
and
memorialize
the
illegality
like,
somehow,.
It's
it's
not
okay..
I
do
applaud
increase
in
the
number,
and
I
support
increasing
the
number.,
because
then
I
think
this
is
part
of
what
you
mentioned,,
which
that
is
as
important
to
me
is
that
you
know.
I
I
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Dannyteodoru:,
you
know
the
reality:
is.
dannyteodoru:,
it's
a
reflection
of
the
fact
that
this
is
today's
day
and
age,
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
circumstances.
j:.
You
just
brought
up,.
It
could
be,
you
know,,
helping
helping
you,,
providing
services
for
elder
people
who
you
co-occupy,,
with
whatever
it
may
be,,
there's
a
lot
of
circumstances
where
we
don't
need
to
go
on
that
old
notion
of
just
a
family.
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I
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I
I
Dannyteodoru:
and
and
so
dannyteodoru:
you
have
to
look
at
where
the
audiences
and
stuff.
and
so
for
me.,
the
really
important
thing,.
As
far
as
I
can
see
with
this
reform,
is
that
there's
probably
a
lot
of
people
I
just..
I
keep
getting
the
vision
of
my
head
of
like
because
I
because
my
my
friend's
daughter
was
one
she
teaches,
and
she
teaches,
and.
I
I
Dannyteodoru:
and
and
people
who
are
who
are
sitting
there,
who
want
to
try
to
comply
or
want
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
comply.
we're
trying
to
do
everything
above
level.,
if,
if
this
makes
it
a
little
easier
for
them
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
affordable
for
them
to
live
and
work
in
boulder,,
then
it's
a
worthwhile
venture,,
even
if
it
doesn't.
I
Dannyteodoru:
frankly,
is
the
panacea.
That's
going
to
resolve
everything,
right.
and
so,.
You
know,,
I.
I
know
there
are
some
suggestions
from
the
plan.
Commission,
you
know.
just
go
back
and
really
look
at
more
stuff
of
inclusionary
zoning,.
Whatever
you,
you
have
to
there,,
there's
no
tool
that
you
shouldn't
be
exploring
as
a
as
a
potential
variable
in
a
very
complex
equation.
and
so
from
that
perspective,.
If
changing
the
occupancy,
says
the
people
who
are
trying
to
look
to.
I
Dannyteodoru:
comply
with
the
law,
or
people
who
are
trying
to
look
to
bring
in
roommates
because
they
have
a
house,
and
and
they're
trying
to
make
it
more
affordable,
or
whatever
else
it
may
be,
that
it
makes
it
more
flexible
for
him.
and
frankly,.
The
other
part
with
landlords
is
that
a
lot
of
landlords
right
now
will
rely
on
and
say,
oh,
it's
the
city's
fault,.
You
know.,
you
can't
have
any
more
people
in
here..
It's
the
city's
fault.
I
Dannyteodoru:
that
figure
out
a
way
to
live
together
because
they
rather
live
and
work
in
boulder
than
live
in
westminster
and
drive
in
a
boulder
for
work,
and
then
driving
the
boulder
for
recreation,
and
then
driving
the
boulder
a
third
time
to
go
out
for
dinner
or
whatever
it
is..
So
from
that
perspective,
it
has
a
lot
of
merit,
and-
and
I
think
the
vote.
I
Dannyteodoru:
and
some
of
the
discussion
we
had
regarding
the
the
newest
position
that
a
lot
of
candidates
for
council
were
taken
underscores..
The
fact
that
this
has
a
lot
of
merit
and
and
the
approach
that
you're
taking,
I
believe,
is
the
right
trajectory
at
this
point
in
time..
Don't
mess,
with
all
those
other
things.
I
Dannyteodoru:
just
fix
the
number
right?,
just
a
number
provide
a
little,,
a
little
relief
valve,
so
that
if
we
can
have
something,
that's
a
little
more
practical
or
viable,,
we
can..
So
that's
why
I
thought
I
like
it.,
you
know
it's,
it's
gonna
be
challenging,,
but
I
I
think
it's
a
worthwhile
venture.
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City
of
boulder
hab,
board:
hey?,
I
I
I
just
want
to
kind
of
say
one
small
thing..
I
mean,.
I
believe
that
this
is
true,,
that
the
the
the
rate
limiting
thing
about
a
lot
is
not
the
number
of
permits
that
they
issue
each
year..
I
don't
think
we've
come
anywhere
close
to
maxing
out
the
number
of
pictures.
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Dannyteodoru:
also
help
curtail
abuses.
one's
going
to
be
association
covenants,,
particularly
in
multi-family,
but
even
in
single
family,.
You
know:
there's
there's
enough
h,
always
out
there,
where
they're
going
to
have
their
own
restrictions,
and
they're,.
You
know,,
usually
more
heartily
enforced.
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
is.
I
Dannyteodoru:
other
people
like
I
was
saying,
who,.
You
know,
want
to
go
according
to
whatever,
whatever
the
laws
or
restrictions
are,,
which
is
probably
not
a
bunch
of
19
year
olds,
on
the
hill.,
but
but
what
but
also,
you
know,
want
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
things
most
affordable,
and
that's
why
it's
a
missing
link..
It's
certainly
not
to
replace
whatever
we
do
with
units
and
and
deep
restricted
units,
and
everything
like
that,
and
smaller
units..
So
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
there,,
but
it's
it's
just
another.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
to
be
steering
towards..
Let's
give
the
community
some
kind
of
vision
of
what
that
housing
might
look
like.
and
at
the
last
community
working
group
there
was
actually
people
who
said
things
like
oh,
well,,
maybe
it'll
get
sold
to
the
highest
bidder,
and
they'll
they'll
go
mansions
up
there.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
at
the
city
owns..
Now
there
are
complications
with
the
faa
and
grant
assurances.
grant
money
that
has
been
taken
and
might
have
to
be
repaid..
There
is
land
that
was
purchased
with
faa
money,
and
getting
out
of
that
entanglement
with
the
faa
would
be
quite
a
process..
It
would
not
be
easy.,
so
why
would
the
city
want
to
do
that?.
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City
of
boulder
hab,
board:
it..
It
provides
a
way
to
give,
get
land
to
developers
that
can
develop
that
kind
of
middle
income,
affordable
housing
that
is
so
hard
to
develop
in
boulder,,
because
the
land
is
so
expensive,
right?,
and
so
this
would
act
as
a
bit
of
a
subsidy
to
the
developer
will
sell
you,
the
land
for
super
cheap.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
but
you
have
to,
you
know.
sign
on
the
dotted
line
that
you're
gonna
give
us
permanently
affordable,
deed,,
restricted
middle
income,,
those
kind
of
downsizable
units
that
you
were
talking,
about,
karn
for
various
populations
that
currently
are
moving
out
of
boulder..
We
have
this,
like
barbell
shaped
curve,,
as
you
know,,
where
you
do
pretty
well
with
this.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
amplify
and
magnify
the
city's
affordable,
housing,
funding
right?.
So
we
do
pretty
well,
providing
the
low
income
affordable
housing
through
our
inclusionary
housing
program..
We
do
great
at
housing
for
the
wealthy.
there's
plenty
of
that,
and
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that.,
but
the
middle
is
following:
out,
and
people
are
leaving..
Boulder
families
are
leaving
boulder
school
enrollment.
All
the
things
that
you
folks
know
about.
Why
it's
so
important.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
we
don't
own
most
of
the
planning
reserve..
There
is
a
chunk
of
about
190
acres..
I
believe
that
we
own
that
is,
was
purchased
with
park
bond
funding,,
and
so
for
a
long
time
there
was
an
expectation
that
it
would
become
a
city
park..
There
might
be
some
negotiation
possible
there
with.
Maybe
some
of
it
could
be
housing..
Some
of
it
could
be
parkland.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
the
runways
need
repaving,
and
maybe
not
even
just
like
filling
the
cracks,,
but
like
completely
regrading
and
repaving
it.
A
lot
of
the
pavement
there
needs
that.
buildings
need
to
be
rebuilt,
buildings
that
are
40,
50
years.
Old.,
there's
no
tower
at
this
airport,,
not
there's
no
air
traffic
control
tower..
Some
people
want
to
add
a
tower,.
So
there's
a
lot
of
investment
that
could
happen
and
result
in
a
very
shiny
new
airport.
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G
City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
or
we
want
to
go
in
the
direction
of
doing
a
housing
plan
and
thinking
about
trying
to
decommission
the
airport
either
way,
you
know.
there's
going
to
be
probably
some
changes
at
the
airport..
It
could
be
no
change.,
there's
some
people
who
would
like
to
see
it
just
kinda.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
city
council,
at
their
last
retreat,
did
not
prioritize
looking
at
housing
at
the
airport.,
and
so
staff
are
really
trying
to
keep
the
scope
small.
and-
and
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
really
kicked
back
on
that
and
said,
listen,.
We
have
to
do
this
now.
We
we
can't
kick
this,
can,
because
we're
not
just
kicking
it.
6
months
or
a
year..
It's
the
next
council.-
we're
potentially
kicking
it
for
a
couple
of
generations,
so
very
grateful
that
staff
seem
to
have
responded
to
that.
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I
Dannyteodoru:
to
kind
of
muck
with
that
whole
thing.,
but
I,
but
I
think
the
the
the
thing
that
you
just
brought
up-
that
that's
really
huge.
here
is
the
fact
that,
first
of
all
this
is,,
you
know
the
the
windows
here..
It's
not
like
the
windows,
here,
and
that,.
You
know..
Let's,
let's
hit
it
in
a
couple
of
years..
That's
that's
a
a
crucial
consideration.
I
I
Dannyteodoru:,
I
I
think
the
the
notion
of
what
the
alternatives
are..
What
could?
What
could
you
know
happen
over
there?
certainly
help
feed
the
conversation
on
that
decision,
and
whether
or
not.
they
want
to
take
on
that
that
liability.
and
if
there's
liability,
one
way
or
another,.
That's
something
for
them,
consider
so
I'm..
I'm.
I
Dannyteodoru:
very,
very
comfortable
with
just
the
up
weighing
in
and
and
saying,.
You
know
we
understand.
there's
a
lot
of
detail,
and
there's
a
lot
of
complexity
here,,
but
we
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
consider..
You
know
what
the
housing
options
are
at
this
property,
because
that's
a
unique
opportunity,
while
you're
making
that
decision.
so
great.
job.
I
I
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
cause
this
does
feel
like
it's
a
needle
over
opportunity..
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
get
to
me
just
some
questions,,
so
so
the
planning
reserve
is
that
the
same
as
like
area,
one
where
it's
really
like
the
city
and
the
county,
making
a
decision?
or
am
I
getting
my
parcels
mixed
up.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
area
3
has
different
components,,
but
the
main
one
is
the
planning,
and
and
that's
a
county
city,
county.
okay,.
So
it's
in
the
county..
It's
not
yeah
in
the
city,
and
it's
not
eligible
for
annexation,
because
it
doesn't
have
infrastructure..
But
it's
been
designated
by
the
county
and
the
city
as.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
I
am
very.,
I
have
been
encouraging,
and
I'm
very
hopeful
that
this
process
will
explore
fully
the
pros
and
cons
like
phillips,
that
no
change
alternative.
the
what's
the
best
airport
we
could
build.
if
we
were
going
to
build
an
airport,.
What
would
that
look
like
if
we
did
decommission
it
completely
and
build
housing??
What's
the
potential
there?.
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city
of
boulder,
hab
board:
and
I'm
hopeful
that
it
will
explore
things
like
like
you
were
talking
about
there
of,.
You
know
if
there's
no
airport
here.,
then,
where
would
the
emergency
services
go?
and
there
there
are
6
other
airports
that
are
within,.
I
think,
40
miles
of
boulder.
we're
one
of
the
most
airport
rich.
G
City
of
boulder
hab
board:
areas
in
the
country.,
but
that
said,
you
still
have
to
think
about
like
the
scientific
research
uses
that
are
done
at
the
airport..
Where
would
they
go
like
a
lot
of?
It
is
done
by
me
on
the
national
ecological
observatory
network,
and
they
have
80
sites
around
the
country,.
But
I
don't
know
how
many
of
those
sites
have
planes
or
plane
capacity.
G
G
City
of
boulder
hab
board::
what
is
the
housing
opportunity??
What's
the
opportunity
cost,
if
we
don't
do
that,
like
danny
was
talking
about??
What
is
the
faa
entanglement??
What
is
it
cost
to
decommission??
We
should
at
least
have
a
rough
idea
of
that.,
and
I
know
that
our
last
meeting
at
the
community
working
group.-
we
did
talk
about..
What
are
some
of
the
criteria
by
which
you
could
judge
these
different
scenarios.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
and
one
of
them,
was
like
economic
impact,.
You
know,
like
these,,
who
is
using
the
airport,
what
businesses
are
there,
and
what
funding
comes
in
from
that.,
and
if
we
had
housing
in
neighborhood
serving
uses.,
how
many
businesses
per
acre,
and
what
kind
of
taxes
would
we
get
from
that?
and
how
many
people
would
be
employed
for
susan
boy.?
Now.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:
does
that
make
sense?
yeah,
absolutely.
the
question
is,.
Can
all
that
analysis
be
done
by
the
deadline
of
when
was
it
this
fall??
It
won't.
all
be
done,,
and
certainly
there
will
everybody
will
be
able
to
nit,
pick
it
and
say,
well,.
You
shouldn't
look
at
this,.
You
shouldn't
ask
that
question.,
but
hopefully,,
we'll
at
least
have
enough
information
that
the
community
can
have
a
good
conversation.
G
City
of
boulder
hab
board:
and
give
some
information
to
city
council,,
so
they
can
sort
of
say,
which
direction
do
we
want
to
go
if
we
want
to
go
into
the
airport,
master
plan,
or
we
want
to
hold
off
on
that
and
look
further
into
this
housing
option..
So
I
don't
think
it's
meant
to
be
the
end.
it'll
be
all..
Certainly.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
it's
not
gonna,
like
staff,
have
been
very,
very
clear..
This
is
not
going
to
result
in
a
housing
plan
where
we
have
streets
laid
out,,
an
infrastructure,
and
traffic
surveys,
and
all
of
that..
It's
not
going
to
not
going
to
be
done
to
that
level.,
but
it
should
at
least
be
enough
of
an
indicator,
so
that
city
council
can
make
a
good
informed
judgment
of
which
path
to
pursue.
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they
kind
of
like
city
of
boulder,
hab,
board:,
they're
kind
of
like
trying
to
come.
In,
you
know,
soft,,
I
think,
in
in
and
try
to
like,.
You
know,
lead
this
conversation.,
but
have
it
come
up
sort
of
organically
from
the
participants?
it
it's?
It's
been
kind
of
this
weird,
balancing
act,
I
think,
for
them.
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And
it
feels,,
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
showing
up,
feeling
a
little
confused
about
like
what
what's
going
on
here,
you
know,
like,.
What
is
this
really
all
about?
and
I
think
everyone
like.
and
there's
been
some
people
who
have
spoken
up
that
are
explicit
like
this
is
all
just
a
ruse
to
like.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:,
bigger
than
those
2
concerns,
which
is
city
of
boulder
hab
board:,
the
neighbors
around
the
airport,,
who
are
sick
to
death
of
all
the
noise..
So
that's
that's
a
big
contingent,
that's
also
showing
up,
and
whether
they're
for
housing,
or
whether
they're
for
a
better
airport.,
it's
kind
of
unclear..
I
think
they're,
all
they're,
all
for
less
noise,
and
the
touching
goes
from
the
from
the
training
schools,
you
know.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
mil,,
you
of
of
different
folks,
showing
up.
and
yeah.
I
the
consultants
knocking
it
out
of
the
park..
I
I
don't
think
so.
but,
on
the
other
hand,.
I
think
what
they're
face
they're
facing
is
kind
of
an
an
interesting
problem.
definition..
You
know
that
that
they've
been
touched.
With.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:.
What
I
was
hearing
from
multiple
folks
was
that
housing
would
not
be
directly
considered
in
the
scenarios,
and,.
If
the
scenario
said
would
end
at
decommissioned
the
airport,
with
no
description
of
what
would
come
after,
and
that
that
would
be
another
process..
That
would
be
an
add,
on.
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kind
of
put
our
our
name
on
their
letter.,
so
I
think
just
something
up
there,
because
I
didn't.
I
just
wanted
to
have
their
advisory
board
because
I
didn't
bring
my
just
long,
ago.
yeah..
So
if
it's
possible.
yeah,
I
I
know
it's
really
short.
j:.
If
you
could
put
it
up
on
the
screen
or
something.
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support
that
notion,,
but
I
to
to
me,
if
it's
more
tangible..
So
it's
something
that
people
can
realize
we're
trying
to
point
directly
to
the
kind
of
concept
we're
talking
about,
and
then
just
really
emphasize
the
whole
notion
of
an
integrated
and
multi-use
neighborhood
etc.,,
because
I
think
that's
important..
I
I
Dannyteodoru:
and
that,
you
know,,
laura,
was
talking
about
here
at
a
michael,.
You
were
just
kind
of
tapping
on.
this,
too,
is
the
notion
that
look
that
heard
that
that
recommendation
number
one
doesn't
just
say,,
come
up
with
the
least
one
housing
option,.
It
says,
come
up
with
one
housing
option,
and
come
up
with
one
hybrid
option,,
and
it
may
be
that
the
hybrid
option,
particularly
given..
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
that
could
literally
present
a
once
in
a
generation
opportunity.
the
3
purposes
I
could
could
fit
8
to
literally
fit.,
I
used
to
worry
twice
right,
could
literally
fit
8
holiday.
Neighborhoods,.
You
know.
one
we're
going
project
widely
acknowledged.
we're
providing
the
integrated
multi-use.
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City
of
boulder,
hab
board:,
you
know
that
that
whole
metaphor
of
building
the
airplane
flying
it.,
you
know
they're
trying
to
interpret
direction
from
city
council
and
from
what
the
airport
needs,
and
then
the
pressures
that
they're
getting
related
to
this
housing
question..
That's
in
the
bbcp.
and
they're
trying
to
juggle,
and
then,
you
know,
the
neighbors
at
the
airport.
It's
philip.
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City
of
boulder,
hab,
board:
mentioned,
have
their
own
desire
to
work
on
the
noise
issues,
and
all
that
issues
and
the
safety
issues.
and
some
of
the
pilots
also
are
like,
yeah,.
Let's
talk
about
that,
because
that
lets
us,,
you
know,,
keep
the
airport
and
make
people
happy..
So
there's
a
lot
of
pressures
on
the
people
who
are
designing
this
and
running
it,,
and
I
really.
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City
of
boulder
hab
board:
on
a
regular
basis,,
but
it's
not
just
our
local
people
that
use
it.
people
from
other
airports
can
use
it
as
well,,
with
no
landing
piece.
right?
so,
for
example,.
There
are
pilots
that
will
come
and
pilot
trainers.
it'll,
come
from
other
airports
and
use
our
airport
as
place
to
practice
for
their
students.
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of
boulder,
hab
board:,
now
what
they
have
used,
absolutely.,
I'm
sure
those
people
would
have
gotten
evacuated,
one
way
or
the
other..
Maybe
you
didn't
exist,,
but
it
certainly
was
a
a
place
that
was
used
for
that
purpose,
and
to
good
purpose,
you
know,
to
could
use
so
the
closest
airports.
would
that
be
like
longmont
and
jefferson
county.,
there's
commercial
flights
to
like..
You
can
buy
a
ticket.
G
City
of
boulder
hab,
board:
yeah,,
a
friend
of
mine,
is
going
to..
She's
like
I
was
going
to
go
to
denver,,
but
now
I'm
going
to
fly
to
mexico
from
her
costa
rica.
yeah,,
it's
good
for..
Have
you
done
it??
If
you
know.,
I
know
some
people
in
from
the
vegas.
oh,
yeah,.
It's
really
easy..
I
guess
it
like
a
united
american,
or
like
little.
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board:,
various
people
in
the
city
that
have
different
visions
for
housing,
to
have
a
conversation,
and
then
either
present,
that
as
part
of
the
process,
or
present
that
to
staff,
to
chew
on
when
they're
doing
the
scenarios,
or
in
some
way
bring
together
the
various
people
who
care
about
housing
and
have
some
kind
of
thought
about
it.
Like
lisa,
moorezel,,
jill
grano,,
joe
brown
represents
the
see
you,,
bari
initiative.,
the.
G
City
of
boulder
hab
board:.
What
does
that
stand
for
folder
area,
research,
housing,
research.,
well,?
Those
are
affordable,
housing,
research,
initiative.,
so
they're,
just
they're
various
people
who
have
given
this
some
thought
that
maybe
we'd
want
to
try
to
bring
all
those
voices
together..
So
then
there
aren't
competing.
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of
boulder,
hab
board:,
and
so
we
had
city
facilities,
team,
basically
working
on
the
pavilion.
and
it's
relationship
to
the
parking
structure,
this
building,
and
then
all
the
housing
partners
has
their
own
design
team
working
on
the
affordable
housing
buildings,,
but
also
the
other
parcels
that
might
be
sold
at
market
rate..
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dannyteodoru:,
but
you
know
I
I
mean,.
I
think
I
think,
dannyteodoru:
what
we're
gonna
see
a
lot
of
this.
as
far
as
you
know,
things
go
with
this
bill,
too,
and
and
some
of
the
things
that
are
coming
off
as
mandates,
or
whether
or
not
you
know,.
This
is
something
where
the
state
has
supremacy,
or
or
whether
it's
kind
of
tripsing
on.
you
know.
I
I
Dannyteodoru:
good
job
and
made
significant
effort
on
it,,
you,
know.
and,
and
you
know,
instead
of
treating
it,
one
size,
fits
all
currently..
You
know
what
you
just
brought
up
in
new
jersey..
I
mean,,
I
think
that's
really.
The
big
thrust
of
this
is
it's
absolutely
true
that
there's
a
lot
of
communities
that
have
put
a
ton
into
this,
and
then
there
are
other
places
that
have
done
literally.