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Jonathan
singer:,
a
roll
call
to
a
member
of
terry
pamos.,
yvonne
nath:,
yes,
here.,
michael
leccese,
hab:
ah,,
phillip
program.
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Michael
leccese,
hab:
um.,
so
welcome
members
of
the
public
who've
joined
us.,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
staff
liaison
and
jason
that
he's
going
to
review
the
rules
of
public
participation
and
use
of
the
chat
box.
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Jay
sugnet
cob:
um.,
we
have
been
jay
sugnet,
cob:,
really
trying
to
navigate
a
difficult
time
and
strike
a
balance
between
meaningful,
transparent
engagement
and
online
security..
So
we
have
these
rules,
so
it's..
The
meeting
has
been
called
to
conduct
business
of
the
city.,
any
activities
that
disrupt
just
delay
or
upgrade
it.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
number
two
is
a
gender
review.,
that's
what
we're
doing.
well,
we'll
be
approving
the
meeting..
Since
I
have
three
public
participation,,
I
think
we
have
five
or
six
people
waiting
to
speak
in
their
three
minutes
and
open
comment.
um,
matt,.
That's
four
matters
from
the
board
is
five.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
ah!,
the
first
spaces
of
undertaking
housing;
development.,
ah!
doing
a
full
city,
regulatory
side.
for
a
tea
that
tastes,
too,
and
the
planning
reserve.
we'll
have
some
discussion
about
that,
too..
We
have
a
letter,
that's
in
the
packet
that
I
wanted
to
review.
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michael
leccese
hab:
thank
you.,
michael
leccese.
Hab:
minutes
are
approved.
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Macon
cowles:,
what
we
can
rely
on
the
housing
advisory
board
is
to
help
inject
ideas
of
follow
up
on
ideas
that
relate
to
housing
in
the
community,,
and
we
really
would
welcome
your
your
views
about
housing
and
your
ideas
for
planning
that
involve
short-term
projects,,
medium-term
projects,
and
long-term
projects..
I
actually
would
look
at
the.
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Macon
cowles:
possibility
of
building
significant
housing
in
the
planning
reserve
is
a
short-term
project,,
because
a
baseline
study
has
to
be
done
in
order
to
see
if
it's
feasible
for
the
city
to
provide
services
within
the
planning,
reserve,
and
then,
of
course,.
Other
steps
have
to
follow.,
but
unless
this
gets
the
studied
attention
of
the
housing
advisory
board,,
the
planning
board
and
the
city
council
are
now
in
two
thousand
and
twenty-two,
and
move
the
baseline
study.
Away,.
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Macon
cowles:,
which
right
now
is
in
the
pending
category,
meaning
that
staff
is
not
able
to
work
on
it
because
of
shortages..
But
unless
we
focus
on
that
and
talk
about
the
importance
of
it,,
we
just
can't.,
it
can't
get
it
done,
and
then
can't
be
ready
for
the
major
update
to
the
complex
in
twenty,
twenty,
five..
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Michael
leccese
hab:
and
thank
you,
mac,
and
those
are
great
observations..
I've
been
giving
a
lot
of
thought
myself
on
how
the
housing
advisory
board
can
become
more
active
and
effective..
I've
been
reaching
out
to
our
members,
one
by
one,
to
have
that
time
to
get
to
everybody
yet,,
but
I
think
we've
got
some
good
ideas..
This
is
a
great
time
to
be,.
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Mark
fearer:
really
proactive.,
we
have
a
council
that
is
committed
to
building
houses
and
doing
zoning
reform,
and
they
need
more
help
and
support
behind
them..
So
I
would
really
love
to
see
you
guys
be
leaders
in
that
area,.
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Jan
burton:
um,,
I
also
want
to
bring
up
one
more
thing
that
maybe
no
one
else
will
bring
up,
and
that
is,
we
are
really
at
a
crisis
in
affordable
housing
for
artists
and
musicians,,
and
we've
lost
many
of
our
creative
people
in
this
community,
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
here..
And,
of
course,
that's
not
a
story
just
for
artists,,
but.
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Jonathan
singer:
also
wanted
to
share
with
you
a
personal
story.
actually,,
those
of
you..
Some
of
you
may
know
that
I
was
the
house
district
representative
for
longmont
for
eight
and
a
half
years,,
and
you
know
I
used
to
joke
that
lawmakers
at
the
state
capital
make
about
as
much
as
a
first
year,
teacher,.
It's
just.
We
get
eight
months
off
a
year
instead
of
four
months
off
a
year.,
but
those
of
you
who
know
teachers
and
lawmakers.,
no
one
actually
gets
in
real
time.
off.
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Jonathan
singer:
and
so,
jonathan
singer:
with
that
being
said,
um,.
I
hope
the
housing
advisory
board
understands
that
the
boulder
chamber
is
at
the
ready
to
help
out
when
it
comes
to
policies,,
whether
it's
eighty
us
making
sure
that
we
maximize
multi-family
units
to
even
large-scale
infill
redevelopments,.
All
of
these
things
need
to
be
tools
in
our
toolbox
and
our
at
our
table
and
the
business
community.
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Jonathan
singer:
couldn't
find
a
place
to
live
in
boulder,
moved
to
longmont,,
and
now
we
live
in
their
basement
with
me,
my
two
kids
and
one
bathroom.,
that's
a
great
project
and
compromise.,
but
back
to
the
issue
at
hand..
I
just
want
everyone
here
to
understand
that
we
are
ready
to
work
with
you.
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Michael
leccese
hab:,
you
know.,
I
was
talking
about
to
have
with
one
of
our
board
members
last
week,,
and
this
is
that
we
um.
we
can't
really
have
a
working
meeting
unless
it's
a
public
meeting,.
So
it's
it's
not
that
easy
for
us
to
tease
out
ideas
in
detail
except
during
these
meetings.
um..
So
we
really
welcome
input
from
organizations
around
roller
with
their
ideas
about
how
to
improve
the
housing
situation,
or
because
we
don't
always
have
the
ability
to
do
that
kind
of
light.
Work
to
that
end.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
I've.
I've
heard
that
the
housing
network
is
developing
some
ideas
about
eighty
years,
and
changes
to
the
regulations
governing
the
creation
of
eighty
years
and
more.
we'd
love
to
be
hearing
about
that,
as
those
ideas
of
all..
But
possibly
we
could
consider
some
of
those
for
recommendations.
To.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
we're
on
to
jerry
shavings,.
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michael
leccese,
hab:
yeah,,
we
are.
michael
leccese,
hab:
well,.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
having
us
participate
with
you
tonight.
I'm
honored
to
really
listen
to
all
the
great
ideas
so
far,
and
I'll
look
forward
to
learning
more
from
you
as
the
year
moves
on..
I
wanted
to
tell
you
that
your
role
is
really
important
to
all
of
us.
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Jerryshapins:
a
way
for
the
future.
and
you
guys
can
do
great..
I
want
you
to
share
presidents
and
examples
from
throughout
the
world.
you've
all
traveled.
you've
seen
amazing
projects.,
there's
so
much
being
done.
Elsewhere.
we
want
to
do
that.
here
we
have
a
creative
community
who
wants
a
creative
city.
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Jerryshapins:
but
redevelopment
is
really
really
important
to
push
this
world
forward,,
and
so
I
hope
you
get
into
the
idea
of
redevelopment,
of
shopping,
centers,
strip,
malls,
parking,
lots,
and
so
forth.
all
the
isores
that
we're
all
aware,
of,
and
also
the
places
that
are
not
ecologically
safe.,
they're,
not
socially
viable,
and
so
forth,.
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Jerryshapins:,
as
other
visitors
have
mentioned.,
we
want
you
to
be
a
partner
with
other
boards.
There's
ah!
the
planning
board
is
absolutely
important..
You
should
really
be
active
with
the
planning
board,
even
more
than
what
you
do,
and
try
to
have
fun
with
when
you
do
that
and
pay
attention
to
that.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
thank
you
for
those
comments,
jerry..
I
really
appreciate
your
bring
of
the
redevelopment
possibilities..
A
lot
of
people
talk
about
older
being
built
out,,
but
if
you
look
at
large
parts
of
the
city.
they're,
actually
sort
of
underdeveloped
with
small
buildings
in
the
middle
of
march,.
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Kathleen
mccormick:
hi,
there!
um!.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
Tonight.
uh,,
I
uh!
as
a
way
of
disclosure,.
I
will
give
you
some
of
my
affiliations.
I'm.,
also
an
editor
for
the
folding,,
bolder
housing
network,
which
is
founded
by
megan
cows,,
which
advocates
for
affordable,
housing.,
I'm.,
a
better
bald
or
a
board
member,
and
I'm..
Also
a
member
of
the
boulder
arts
commission,,
whereas
jan
burton
mentioned
I
have.
I
Kathleen
mccormick:
I've
talked
over
the
last
six
years
with
so
many
artists
who
are
having
trouble
affording
to
to
live
in
boulder,
or
who
have
left
owner.
I'm..
Also
a
writer
and
editor,,
and
I
recently
helped
the
west
denver
renaissance
collaborative,
write
a
report
on
their
eighty
pilot
program,,
which
is
building
fifty-eight
to
use
for
low
and
middle
income,
households
in
nine
west
denver
neighborhoods
over
the
next
couple
of
years..
A
link
to
this
report
is
in
the
current
order,
housing
that
we
use,.
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Kathleen
mccormick:
um.,
I
appeared
before
the
housing
advisory
committee
advocating
for
a
dus
at
one
of
your
earliest
meetings,
years,
ago,
and
in
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seventeen..
Sorry,
not
in
that
one
thousand.
Nine
hundred
and
seventeen,
two
thousand
and
seventeen.
michael
and
I
built
an
adu
in
a.
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Kathleen
mccormick:
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seventys
addition
at
the
back
of
our
home
in
newland..
We
somehow
are
able
to
jump
through
all
the
hoops
to
build
an
adu
before
the
rules.
Rules
were
revised.
a
year
or
so
later
we've
had
a
series
of
young
professionals
and
graduate
students
living
in
this
four
hundred
and
twenty
foot
space,
which
has
access
to
a
patio
in
our
backyard..
Our
tenants
have
included
a
middle
school
math
teacher,,
the
ceo
administrator.
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I
I
Kathleen
mccormick:
um..
I
hope
that
your
recommendations
to
city
council
will
include
some
key
revisions
that
will
encourage
many
more
people
to
build
them,
such
as
eliminating
the
following:
saturation:
limits:
parking,
requirements:
bot,
size,
minimums,,
eighty
size
limits,
permitting
fees
for
a
portable
way
to
use,
and
other
measures
that
could
potentially
produce
many
more
affordable
places
for
people
to
live
in
a
boulder.
again,.
Thank
you
for
all
your
efforts,.
We
really
appreciate
it.
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Kathleen
mccormick:
thank
you,,
kathleen.
and
macon,
from
speaking
for
the
boulder
housing
at
work..
I
I
see
a
couple
of
other
unfamiliar
names,
and
they
probably
they
are
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
comment.,
but
I
don't
see
hands
raised..
So
here's
your
opportunity.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
we've
received
informational
presentations
on
any
use
from
city
officials.
We
haven't
really
devised..
We
actually
did
forward
a
recommendation
of
council
about
mobile
avenues.,
so
a
a
tiny
homers
on
wheels.
That
was.
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Michael
leccese
hab:,
when
the
jacqueline
was
on
the
board,,
but
as
far
as
the
rank
and
file
any
issue,,
we
haven't
really
moved
toward
action..
We
want
to
get
on
that
because
I
think
council
is
going
to
be
taking
that
up
pretty
soon.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:
um,-
I
just
I
don't
reiterate
the
same
points.
it'd,
be
great
to
have
that
before
the
next
meeting,
and
it'd
be
really
good
to
have
a
timeline,
as
when
these
things
are
going
with
council,
michael,.
So
that'll
give
us
a
good
idea
of
uh,.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:,
you
know
what
our
timeframe
is
to
move
forward.,
so
um!
and-
and
I
really
appreciate
a
lot
of
the
comments-
here,
particularly
the
whole
notion
of
housing,
as
it
relates
to
people
in
the
arts
being
music,.
Be
it
art..
I
think
it's
a
really
big.
D
Danny
teodoru
hab:
challenge
that
you
face
as
an
artist,,
but
it
really
does
make
our
community.,
and
so
I
was
glad
to
hear
about
that
as
well.
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
thank
you,,
danny
philip.,
you
got
your
hand
up.
yeah,.
I
was
just
gonna,
just
sort
of
drive
home
the
point
you
made
just
a
minute
ago
about
thinking
carefully
about
and
anticipating
what
the
the
city
council's
work
plan
looks
like
what
their,
what
their
calendar
is,
their
schedule.,
so
that.
J
Philip
ogren
(he/him)
hab:,
sorry
so
that,
um,.
J
J
J
Philip
ogren
(he/him)
hab:,
you
have
to
be
careful
when
you're
making
statements
that,
whether
or
not
you're
representing
have
or
not.
and
so
for
me,.
It
seems
very
easy
for
me
as
philip,
to
to
go
out
and
educate
and
say
whatever
I,
you
know,
say,,
say
the
things
that
I'm
excited
about
sort
of
that
way.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:,
so
I
the
the
one
thing
I
was
going
to
make
to
the
other
point
that
I
want
to
make
before
was
that
um.
with
all
these
comments,
and
coming
from
different
perspectives
and
different
backgrounds,
today.
um,
everything
kind
of
kind
of
less
around
a
to
use,,
as
you
know,
kind
of
the
low
line
through
something
we
can
really
address
right
now
as
a
way
to
really
get
going
with
some
of
these
recommendations
and
stuff..
So
uh,,
really
looking
forward
to
having
that
conversation.
my,
hopefully,.
My
address
is
a
lot
of
the.
D
Danny
teodoru
hab:
suggestions
and
concerns
that
we're
here
today,,
because
I
think
that
you
know
the
recommendations
that
we
make
on
the
abus
can
have
a
lot
of
help
moving
forward
in
terms
of
just
hitting
that
one
particular
item.
and
then,.
As
we
move
forward
to
other
issues.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
and
that
sort
of
tied
up
in
our
recommendation
that
we'll
be
considering
tonight.
um,
you
know,,
especially
for
the
planning
reserve,
that's
where
missing
middle
housing
could
potentially
be
built,,
and
I
hope
we'll
see
some
progress
on
that
soon.
A
Michael
leccese
hab:
other
comments
from
the
board,.
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Michael
leccese
hab:,
where
I
don't
compete
with
cars,,
I
can
walk
and
bike
to
the
things
that
I
need,
and
I
would
love
to
to
for
have
to
have
as
one
of
its
roles.
you
know.
there.
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
vision
for
for
creative
housing.,
I'd
love
to
have
as
one
of
our
threads
of
conversation,.
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Terry
palmos
hab:,
not
that
the
existing,
affordable
housing
that
we
built,
or
bought,
or
whatever
doesn't
serve
a
purpose
because
it
absolutely
does,,
but
it
serves
a
different
purpose
than
the
missing
middle.,
but
it
serves,.
You
know:
they're
smaller
units.,
they're,
more
multifamily,,
you
know.
type,
stuff,
stacked.
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Michael
leccese
hab:,
I
just
want
to
plant
the
seed
of
further
thought
on
what
we
can
do
in
this.
and
again
I've
been
talking
to
board
members,
one
on
one,
and
one
idea
that
surfaced
was
well,.
Maybe
it's
one
thing
to
to
say,
hey,
counsel,
get
the
process
started
on
playing
reserve,.
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leccese,
hab:
um,,
you
know,
just
to
say,,
go
build
it
as
one
thing,,
but
to
say,
here's
some
ideas,
and
how
to
do
it..
I
think
it
could
be
an
effective
role
for
him.
um,
and
probably
something
for
more
discussion.
and
a
later
day.
I
guess
I'd
love
to
hear
people
be
on
board
with
that
kind
of
discussion,
and
if
you
think,
it'
be
productive.
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Terry
palmos,
hab:
and-
and
we
can
take
those
ideas,
the
best
of
those
ideas
and
integrate
them
into
the
next
project..
You
know
we
take
the
best
of
what's
been
done,
leave
the
worst.,
it's
not
rocket
science,,
but
sometimes
it's
it's
over
complicated
um,
and
I
think
we
can
do
that,
and
we
know
we're
not
just
limited
to
those
three
or
four
projects,
you
know..
We
can
look
around.
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Terry
palmos
hab:,
but
I
would
love
to
weigh
in..
I
would
love
to
weigh
in
on
specifics.,
not
just
let's
go
through
the
missing
metal
and
let's
go.
figure
out
what
the
missing
mills
and
build
it..
I
think
we
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
on
this
and
and
get
down
to.
You
know
how
many
parking
spaces
and
where
they
are,,
and
I
mean
a
structure?-
are
they
underground??
Are
they
on
the
surface
or
on
the
street?.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:
taking
help
with,
or
whatever,,
but
you
know,,
and
we
can
do
ourselves
and
do
some
homework
before
before
we
go
to
it,,
but
have
some
models
with
things
that
work
and
don't
work
from
our
own
experiences
or
our
own
perspectives,,
something
that
we
can
really
start
chewing
on
and
going
back
and
forth
on..
So
you
know,,
I
mean,
especially
while
we're
still
in
the
in
the
zoom
universe
or
treat
in
the
meeting,
are
pretty
similar
in
terms
of
of
their
structure
and
and
everything.,
so
either
one
works..
But
I
definitely
think.
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teodoru
hab:,
something
we
we
really
just
start.
Brainstorming
like
targets.
saying,
is
really
the
best
way
to
go
about
it,,
because
there's
so
many
different
concepts,
here,
and
and
you
know,,
like
you,
said,,
get
deep
into
the
weeds
and
and
really
chew
on
it.
One
of
the
things
that
I
throw
out
there
is..
We
heard
some
people
talk
about
this
in
the
past,
and
it's
absolutely
an
issue,,
particularly
when
you're
dealing
with.
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teodoru
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missing
middle
type.,
housing,
is,.
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teodoru
hab:
you
know,
association,
responsibilities
and
association
dues
that
tie
into
that
as
well..
So
that's
another
thing
that
just
flag
is,,
you
know,
something
depending
on
the
type
of
product
that
you
put
together.
um,.
You
know
what
the
common
elements
are,
and
what
the
association
responsibilities
and
their
might
costs
are,
is
another
big
thing
to
just
kind
of
wrestle
with
a
little
as
we
go
forward.
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palmos
hab:
um,
and
walk
around
them..
I
think
that
could
be
really
helpful
for
a
lot
of
for
our
our
group
to
to
be
on
the
same
page..
So
when
we're
talking
about
stacked
flats
versus
town
homes
versus
attached,
units,
or
whatever
it
is,,
you
know
we
can
point
to
it
and
look
at
it.
um,.
I
don't
know
just
an
idea.
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Michael
leccese
hab:
and
michael
leccese
hab:.
Hopefully
you
know
that
that
helps
debate.
Some
of
the
concerns,
you
know,,
whatever
public
health
concerns,,
because
it's
outside
an
open
air
rather
than
in
a
confined
space..
But
I
think
it's
absolutely
imperative
that
sewing
projects
that
I
work,
on,,
where
you
know
a
site
visits
work
as
a
way
to
go..
So
I
think
you
know,.
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leccese
hab:,
so
the
distinction,
philip,
is
that
now
we're
talking
about
having
it
as
a
formal
meeting..
So
it's
a
formal
meeting.,
it's
publicly
noticed,
et
cetera.,
then
yeah,.
You
absolutely
have
the
ability
to
do
that..
So
if
we're
doing
this,
a
site
visit
is
still
a
formal
meeting
of
the
public
being
exact,.
So
that's
the
way
that
we
do
it
for
something
like
this.
and
right.
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sugnet
cob:
oh,
yeah,,
absolutely.,
jay,
sugnet
cob:
and
um,
jay
sugnet
cob:
yeah,.
I
mean.,
there's
just
jay
sugnet
cob:,
there's
so
much
affordable
housing
throughout
the
city
that
you're
going
to
go;
panelists,,
lots
of
projects.
and
typically
I
point
them
out
and
talked
about
what
I
know.
About.
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leccese:
okay,
great?
ah,,
eighty
years.,
we
had
a
little
bit
of
a
to
discussion
before
we
could
talk
about
it.
Some
more.,
I
know,
there's
some
really
interesting
ideas
out.
There,
and
the
council
has
opened
the
ears,
and,.
You
know,
ranges
from
doing
away
with
the
saturation
limits
which
currently
are
very
restrictive,.
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sugnet
cob:
what
they
do
this
at
your
update?
looks
like.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:
for
any
particular
application
people
will
still
have
an
opportunity
to,.
You
know,
express
their
concerns
for
something
that's
adjacent
to
them,
et
cetera.,
but
to
say
that
there's
some
sort
of
arbitrary
threshold
for
any
particular
neighborhood
or
any
particular
area..
I
think
we're
past
that..
I
think.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:,
craig's,
list,
or
whatever
else
it
may
be..
If
there's
a
clearing,
house,
and
and
there's
public
awareness
that
there's
a
place
that
you
can
go,
either.
if
you're
trying
to
market
an
a
to
you,
to
local
work,
workforce,
or
if
you're,
trying
to
find
an
eighty
that
might
be
available,.
I
think
that's
a
huge
element,
and
that's
something
that
the
city
can
do
to
really
help
facilitate
that..
So
that's
that's!.
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Terry
palmos
hab:
propose
some
pre-approved
terry
palmos,
hab:
abu
structures,,
whether
it's
design.
you
know,
or
modern
design,
or
a
couple
of
three
options
where
we
say,
okay,
look,.
Here's
the
template.
right?.
You
have
a
one-story,
modern,
design,,
three
hundred
square
feet
of
you.
You
got
a
two-story
about
it..
You
have
four
or
five
different
options
that
are
that
are
pre-proved,
pre-designed.
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ogren
(he/him)
hab:,
you
know,
as
this
technology
develops,
um,
there'll
be
more
and
better
attractive
options
that
are
available.
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
some
some
kind
of
pre-approval
mechanisms
for
for
for
those
kinds
of
options,
too,.
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Philip
ogren
(he/him)
hab:-
I
I
hadn't
thought
about
it
in
that
context,
and
I've
I've
forgotten
about
that..
I
have..
I
have
skinned
through
those
recommendations
about
the
the
the
mobile
ones.
um,
yeah,.
I
I
was
kind
of
more
thinking
along
the
lines
of
like
a
an
an
actual
fixed
foundation.
Structure,.
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teodoru,
hab:
and,
and
it
helps
address
the
labor
challenges.
It's
not
necessarily
the
you
know,
the
supply
chain
for
materials,,
but
it
definitely
helps
address
the
labor
challenges,
because
it's
it's
on
site,
and
and
the
manufacturers
can
can
kind
of
plan
for
that..
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
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ogren
(he/him),
hab:
and
adu
development,
so
that
that's
one
possible.
you
know.,
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
scalable
solution,,
but
it
certainly
it
could
raise
community
interest
somehow..
But.
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sugnet
cob:,
council
chambers?.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:,
you
might
forget
the
gal.,
danny
teodoru
hab:
you're
right.
tiffany,
boller
cob:.
It's
actually
not
guaranteed
that
we'll
be
in
council
chambers.
Part
of
the
thing
is
they're
trying
to
figure
out
where
to
house
everyone
for
different
boards
and
things
like
that,
with
the
change
of
different
boards
on
different
sites
now..
So
that
is
tbd:
at
the
moment
on
where
we
will
be.
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Jay
sugnet
cob:,
probably
a
tific
out
a
day.
we'll
do
it
dutiful
jay
sugnet
cob:
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
have
as
many
people
as
possible,,
jay,
sugnet
cob:
and
then
we'll
come
up
with
a
plan
and
just
share
it
with
you.
Guys.
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
do..
I
mean
this
difficult
tour
can
be
up
to
four
hours,
and
I'm
not
sure..
People
want
to.
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Philip
ogren
(he/him)
hab:
a
reading
list,
a
podcast
list,
things
that
would
be
good
for
people
in
the
general
public
to
go,,
listen,
to,
or
read,,
to
become
more
educated
on
that.
I
think
that'd
be
a
really
nice
service
to
to
offer
as
a
maybe
an
appendix,
or
you
know.
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Danny
teodoru
hab:
no,,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
vote
on
that
right
now..
I
mean,,
I
think
that's,
maybe
something
that
we
can
put
in
the
the
list,,
the
letter,,
whatever
that
we
you
know,,
put
together
for
next
month,,
so
we'll
we'll
throw
that
out.
There.