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A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
I'm
michael
lucchese,
the
chair
of
the
housing
advisory
board.
The
secretary
is
ready.
We
will
proceed
today
is
wednesday
may
26th,
and
this
is
a
meeting
of
the
boulder
housing
advisory
board.
So
we're
going
to
do
a
roll
call
and
we'll
start
with
jacques
julian.
A
Hello,
mason
moyer.
A
Not
here
yet
and
danny
teodoro,
the
vice
chair.
A
Okay,
we
have
four
members,
president
does
that
constitute
a
quorum
and
we
begin.
A
Great
okay,
do
we
have
any
agenda
amendment
suppose
and
there's
danny
hi,
danny
hi,
guys.
A
As
I
just
asked,
are
there
any
amendments
proposed
to
the
tonight's
agenda?
No
great,
thank
you
approval
of
minutes.
Does
anyone
have
questions
or
corrections
to
the.
B
A
Okay,
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
last
meeting
on
april
28th
so
move
danny.
Thank
you.
May
we
have
a
vote
on
that
proof.
Hi.
A
So
done
we're
up
to
public
participation.
Has
anyone
signed
up
to
speak.
C
Yeah,
I
was
just
talking
with
scott
medina
from
bridgehouse,
and
I
was
asking
him
after
I
heard
bob
yates
at
the
homeless,
talk
at
tyler
city
club
about
how
boulder's
taking
folks
and
training
them
in
culinary
arts
and
landscaping,
and
it
pretty
much
infuriated
me
because
I
I
thought
this
is
lovely.
We've
got
this
program,
a
training
program
for
people
that
we're
paying
for
actually
the
feds
are
paying
for
it,
but
the
feds
aren't
cheap.
You
know
we
just
spent
1.6
trillion
dollars
on
on.
C
You
know,
stimulus
tips
for
people
and
there's
not
endless
funds.
You
know,
there's
not
something
beyond
trillions.
There's
gazillions
now
you
know
so
we
shouldn't
be
just
abusing
these
funds,
and
the
city
of
boulder
is
effectively
training
these
people
and
they
have
housing
a
job
while
they're
in
town,
but
when
they
get
out
of
there,
they
aren't
going
to
get
a
job,
and
I
mean
they'll
get
a
job
in
boulder,
but
then
they'll
contribute
to
our
jobs,
housing
and
balance,
which
is
a
trouble
for
you
right,
michael.
So
how
do
we
balance
jobs?
Housing?
C
What
we
need
to
do
in
this
city
for
housing
is
figure
out
on
a
scale
of
one
to
ten.
What
someone's
income
is
and
then
specifically
set
how
much
housing
we
need
for
different
income
rates,
because
guess
what
every
affordable
house
that
we
create
for
people
creates
a
demand
I
mean,
and
I'm
stating
the
obvious-
and
I
hate
stating
the
obvious.
I
hate
that,
but
it
seems
like
I
have
to
because
people
don't
seem
to
get
it.
C
Raw
growth
and
affordable
housing.
Guess
what
those
people
use
services
they
use,
grocery
stores
and
library,
people
and
bank
clerks
and
all
of
those
things
they
use.
All
of
that.
That's
not
cheap.
Each
affordable
house
has
its
own
expense.
You
know
what
we
need
in
this
town.
We
need
50
to
70
percent
in
linkage
fees
minimum
of
50
seriously
long
ago,
and
we
need
no
more
in
lieu
that
is
so
old.
This
discussion
is
so
old.
C
D
A
A
A
I'm
sorry,
I'm
doing
this.
Do
we
need
a
motion
to
or
is
there
any
other
has
anyone
else
signed
up
for
publishing.
A
I'm
sorry
I
forgot
to
mention
the
beginning:
we're
welcomed
as
our
playing
board
lead
with
lisa
smith
as
the
ultimate
I
don't
know
from
the
polls,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
you
involved
in
heb.
I
guess
we're
on
to
matters
from
council
and
we
have
a
presentation
from
clay,
fung,
community
rights
manager.
D
Yes,
just
want
to
confirm:
do
I
have
a
screen,
control
or
something?
Okay.
Let
me
just
get
things
started,
then,
to
take
this
little
zoom
thing
out
of
the
way.
D
Another
key
concept
to
graphs
when
making
this
sort
of
investigation
comes
from
the
author
ibra
max
kendy,
who
wrote
how
to
be
an
anti-racist
and
jay,
and
I
have
discussed
this
and
we
have
found
it
really
hard
to
find
instances
where
this
is
not
true.
And
it's
where
he
notes
that
the
actual
foundation
of
racism
is
not
ignorance
and
hate,
but
self-interests.
D
D
The
prologue
to
the
story
comes
in
1851,
which
is
the
treaty
of
fort
laramie,
also
known
as
the
horse
creek
treaty,
which
was
signed
to
scant
two
years
after
the
beginning
of
the
sword
of
the
california
gold
rush.
California,
gold
rush
is,
of
course,
a
seminal
event
in
the
development
of
the
american
west.
As
for
the
first
time,
we
have
tremendous
amounts
of
mineral
wealth
that
are
of
great
interest
to
those
back
east.
D
The
united
states
government
wish
to
create
basically
open
lines
of
travel
so
that
settlers
can
travel
west
on
some
of
the
classic
routes,
such
as
the
oregon
trail,
the
california
trail
and
the
treaty
also
didn't
take
away
land.
At
this
point
typically,
what
would
happen
is
that
when
the
u.s
government
made
treaties
with
indigenous
peoples,
there
would
be
a
first
treaty,
which
was
which
would
establish
a
rite
of
passage.
D
Perhaps
some
settlements,
such
as
that
of
the
cash
that
was
supposed
to
change,
hands
to
build
forts
and
roads,
and
then
a
second
treaty
would
typically
come
about
in
which
the
land
was
then
taken
from
the
indigenous
peoples.
D
Basically,
since
the
time
of
the
gold
rush,
there
were
always
some
conjecture
that
colorado
would
have
a
degree
of
substantial
mineral
wealth
and
that
seemed
to
be
borne
out
in
discovery.
In
1858
news
travels
quickly,
and
by
october
we
had
the
first
white
settlement
in
the
boulder
area.
At
the
present
day,
site
of
red
rocks
park,
chief
nywot
met
with
the
settlers
there
and
essentially
told
communicated
to
them
that
they
were
welcome
to
stay
for
a
short
period
of
time,
but
that
he
did
not
desire
that
they
would
stay
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
D
D
Some
feel
that
nywa
later
went
to
the
settlers
and
relented
and
allowed
that
they
could
stay,
and
if
this
is
true,
other
historians
argue
that
he
did
so
simply
because
he
saw
white
settlement
as
somewhat
inevitable
and
that
it
would
cause
great
harm
to
actively
resist
this
type
of
settlement
in
the
boulder
area
as
it
was.
D
The
boulder
town
company
really
kind
of
sets
a
tone
that
I
think
is
still
with
us
today.
They
laid
out
over
4
000
lots
in
what
we
now
know
as
boulder
and
in
1859.
These
loss
cost
cost
a
thousand
dollars
apiece
by
comparison,
farmland
and
other
parts
of
the
state
is
much
more
inexpensive
and
you
can
see
those
range
from
simply
a
dollar
twenty
five,
an
acre
purchase
in
the
government
to
fifty
dollars.
D
D
D
Again
we
have
many
indigenous
peoples
in
the
colorado
area
and
in
1862
tensions
start
to
escalate,
to
the
point
that
we
start
to
see
the
development
of
army
affiliated
military
units,
including
the
colorado
third
u.s
volunteers,
company
d,
which
mobilize
it
for
chambers.
D
Essentially
it's
hard
to
term
the
sand.
Creek
massacre
is
nothing
short
of
an
atrocity
or
a
war
crime.
Essentially,
a
group
of
of
soldiers
sanctioned
by
the
us
army
slaughtered
innocent
native
americans.
The
exact
number
of
casualties
is
unclear,
but
most
estimates
range
from
150
to
600.
Many
women
and
children
were
killed.
D
Chief
nywot
actually
died
of
wounds
a
few
days
after
the
battle,
and
we
can
also
see
that
this
led
up
to
basically
what's
known
as
the
sort
of
plains
indian
wars,
which
also
ultimately
culminated
in
the
battle
of
little
bighorn,
which
was
over
a
decade
later,
there's
also
some
key
local
players.
John
chivington
is
probably
one
of
the
more
notorious
figures
involved
with
the
sand.
D
Creek
massacre
chivington
was
a
mason
and
a
a
methodist
minister
and
david
nichols
who
we'll
talk
about
a
little
more,
was
a
prominent
local
figure
who
rose
to
even
more
prominence
in
the
years
to
come.
D
If
sorry,
I
think
I've
got
a
little
off
the
key
here,
so
we
look
at
after
the
civil
war
ends
and
a
key
piece
which
is
going
to
influence
housing
policy
in
the
century
to
come.
Are
the
post-civil
war
amendments
which
abolish
slavery,
grant
the
right
to
vote
and
provide
equal
protection.
D
D
D
One
of
the
key
players
included
nichols
who
was
instrumental
in
the
sand
creek
massacre
in
term,
but
he
played
an
instrumental
role
in
getting
the
university
to
be
located
in
boulder
prior
to
the
sand.
Creek
massacre,
he
had
been
the
sheriff
of
boulder
county,
but
he
stepped
down.
That
is
from
that
position
to
join
the
army
and
there's
a
lot
of
folklore
in
mythology
around
what
nichols
had
done
to
bring
the
university
here.
D
Professor
patty
limerick
of
the
university
of
colorado
mentions
folklore
by
20
years.
Afterward
had
recorded
this
notion
that
nichols
had
gotten
on
his
horse
on
a
cold
winter
night,
ridden
26
miles
from
denver
to
boulder
gotten
a
commitment
of
land
and
support
for
the
university
and
ridden
back.
There's
no
evidence
from
the
time
that
he
did
that.
So
we
can
see
there's
a
great
deal
of
myth.
D
Making
here
nichols
is
no
longer
the
killer
of
innocent
women
and
children,
rather
he's
sort
of
a
paul
revere-esque
figure
who
went
to
secure,
perhaps
the
crown
jewel
of
the
city
of
boulder
the
university
and
it's
interesting
to
note
that
in
1861
he
had
a
residence
hall
built
for
him
named
in
his
honor
at
cu.
Now.
The
interesting
thing
here
is
that
it
wasn't
like
nichols
actions
at
sand.
D
Creek
were
a
secret,
but
limerick
helps
to
shed
some
light
and
she
states
in
1961,
in
the
minds
of
those
who
proposed
his
name
for
a
building
nichols's
war
activities
did
not
detract
from
his
achievements.
On
the
contrary,
they
added
to
them-
and
I
think
this
raises
a
really
important
point
about
how
we,
as
americans,
particularly
in
the
west,
define
the
notion
of
civilization.
D
Limerick,
raises
this
point
in
a
very
astute
way,
and
she
says,
but
to
nichols
himself
and
to
many
of
his
anglo-american
contemporaries,
the
founding
of
universities
and
the
killings
of
killing
of
indians
represented
service.
In
the
same
cause,
the
project
was
to
quote
bring
civilization,
unquote,
colorado
and
to
both
most
19th
century
anglo-americans.
D
So
basically,
there
was
no
negative
consequence
of
what
he
did
and
for
the
most
part,
culturally,
this
was
to
be
celebrated.
D
The
fact
that
we
have
a
university
and
a
lack
of
more
industry,
of
the
sort
that
we
might
find
in
other
towns,
such
as
mining
or
agricultural
processing
and
the
like.
D
In
1877,
and
now
we
begin
looking
at
the
rise
of
boulder
from
1877
to
1950,
and
this
picture,
it
is
believed,
was
taken
in
the
boulder
area
because,
as
we'll
see
soon,
the
kkk
had
a
very
prominent
role
in
both
colorado
and
boulder
politics,
and
this
is
also
for
better
well.
This
is
also,
unfortunately,
shaped
the
quality
of
what
boulder
is
today.
D
You're,
probably
familiar
with
frederick
law
olmsted
in
1910,
he
wrote
a
report
on
the
nature
of
boulder.
Olmsted
was
lauded
as
an
architect,
a
city
planner,
a
proponent
of
what
is
known
as
the
city
beautiful
unit,
and
he
creates
a
very
sort
of
agreeable
quotation
in
his
report.
Talking
about
what
people
in
boulder
are,
after
they're,
after
a
good
lifestyle,
essentially
they're
not
necessarily
going
to
be
of
the
highest
most
elite
classes,
but
they
want
to
have
a
satisfactory
life.
D
He
was
very
much
in
favor
of
preserving
open
space
of
looking
at
creating
great
public
spaces,
which
was
part
of
the
city,
beautiful
movement
that
he
was
very
much
part
of.
But
it's
important
to
note,
and
this
sometimes
gets
lost
in
the
shuffle-
that
the
city,
beautiful
movement,
was
really
a
response
to
immigrant
communities
in
densely
populated
cities
and
a
feeling
that
the
other,
that
is
say,
immigrants
and
people
of
color-
would
actually
cause
damage
to
property
values.
D
D
D
So
the
narrative
is
that
such
zoning
is
illegal,
but
the
reality
is
is
far
different.
But
there
was
also
a
movement
to
have
more
people
owning
homes
in
the
united
states.
At
the
time,
woodrow
wilson's
presidential
administration
feared
in
the
wake
of
the
russian
revolution
that
if
americans
didn't
have
more
opportunities
for
home
ownership
that
that
could
set
the
stage
for
a
similar
revolt
within
the
borders
of
the
united
states.
D
But
it
was
also
very
clear
that
this
was
not
going
to
be
an
opportunity
equal
to
all
and
what
happened
in
the
1920s
that
the
federal
government
began
to
work
with
cities
to
essentially
adopt
zoning
ordinances.
That
might
not
have
been
blatantly
racist
on
its
face,
but
had
the
over
intent
of
protecting
middle
income
neighborhoods
from
lower
income
folks,
namely
people
of
color
and
recent
immigrants.
D
Here
we
just
have
a
little
bit
of
a
timeline
about
what's
happening
in
the
west.
We
see
the
first
latinx
graduates
from
the
university
of
colorado.
We
also
see-
and
let's
keep
our
eye
on
this
number-
the
african-american
population
of
boulder
in
1910.,
also
in
1914,
the
first
african-american
student
did
graduate
from
cu
and
we'll
be
talking
a
little
bit
more
about
the
african
african-american
experience.
D
Let's
talk
candidly
about
white
supremacy
in
boulder
in
the
1920s
boulder
was
a
clan
stronghold,
but,
like
I
said,
I
want
to
put
a
little
bit
of
a
face
on
what
boulder
was
like
this
woman
that
we
see
here
is
lucille
buchanan,
who
is
the
first
african-american
woman
to
graduate
from
cu
boulder
at
her
graduation
ceremony.
She
sat
eagerly
awaiting
her
name
to
be
called
when
out
of
nowhere,
a
white
woman
came
up
and
said
I'll,
be
your
partner
in
this
lucy
and
handed
her
her
diploma.
D
She
was
denied
the
ability
to
walk
with
her
fellow
students,
and
it
was
as
a
result
of
that
treatment
vowed
never
to
return
to
cu.
She
lived
a
pretty
long
life.
I
believe
she
was
living
up
until
the
1980s
and
she
did
made
good
on
her
promise
not
to
return,
and
I
think
this
incident
sort
of
summarizes
what
many
people
of
color
have
felt.
Their
experiences
have
been
in
boulder.
D
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
rise
of
the
clan
as
well.
Essentially,
the
clan
had
its
second
rise
in
the
1900s.
This
was
the
time
when
we
saw
the
the
the
beginning
of.
What's
called
the
lost,
the
the
notion
of
the
lost
cause,
which
we
know
is
where
the
civil
war
is
viewed
through
a
lens
that
is
favorable
to
the
confederacy
and
where
one
moves
its
roots
away
from
that
of
slavery,
which
was
really
the
root
cause
of
the
civil
war
and
to
that
notion
of
states.
Rights.
D
Popular
culture
embraced
the
rise
of
the
klan
through
just
increased
membership,
but
also
with
respect
to
films
such
as
birth
of
a
nation.
One
of
the
early
epic
silence
films
that
did
a
romanticizing
of
the
rise
of
the
clan
and
portrayed
them
as
heroic
folks
that
were
essentially
preserving
the
character
and
integrity
of
america.
D
There
were
four
parades
through
boulder,
including
one
that
had
nearly
300
klansmen
63
cars
and
a
float
covered
in
white.
At
the
same
time,
we
also
saw
other
groups
being
targeted.
The
county
commissioners
passed
1932
resolution
funding
deportation
of
mexican
families
to
the
u.s
mexican
border,
saying
that
there
was
no
prospect
of
them
finding
employment.
D
Here
we
start
to
see
in
what
I
call
the
modern
era
from
1950
to
the
present
federal
housing
policies
start
to
take
on
a
more
inclusive
character.
The
federal
housing
authority
starts
to
guarantee
home
mortgages,
but
the
reality
was
and
again
this
is
the
distinction
of
myth
and
reality.
The
reality
was,
the
federal
government
had
underwriting
policies
that
ensured
that
new
post-world
war
ii
real
estate
developments,
such
as
levittown
and
on
the
east
coast,
remained
segregated.
D
D
Closer
to
home,
we
had
a
lot
of
developments
and
changes
in
the
boulder
community
that
were
consistent
with
its
early
character.
We
had
a
recruitment
of
clean
industries,
so
this
is
when
we
start
bringing
in
tech
and
organizations
such
as
nist.
We
see
some
pretty
significant
population
growth
from
1950
to
1972,
with
population
growing
from
twenty
thousand
to
seventy,
two
thousand,
and
in
1974
the
city
of
boulder
elected
its
first,
and
only
black
mayor,
benfield,
tate,
the
second.
D
He
was
mayor
until
1976.,
but
we
can
also
see
several
municipal
actions
that
impact
affordability
that
are
also
in
this
timeline
and
we'll
discuss
those
in
a
moment.
D
Certainly,
things
like
residential
growth
management
and
the
green
belt
really
aren't
inconsistent
with
what
olmstead
might
have
said
in
the
early
20th
century
in
his
city,
beautiful
rhetoric,
and
that
it
is
consistent
with
boulder
being
a
town
not
just
for
anyone
and
one
that's
reasonably
free
of
the
sort
of
debris
resulting
from
industry.
D
D
D
As
we
look
at
the
percentage
of
as
we
look
at
the
percentage
of
the
what
different
races
are
and
who
is
being
identified
in
the
boulder
area
like
to
go
to
a
quote
from
penfield
tate,
which
is
the
measure
of
a
great
city
in
a
great
country,
is
not
the
size
of
its
greenbelt,
but
how
it
treats
its
people,
and
I
think,
that's
where
we
need
to
start
looking
based
on
tate's
statement
on
how
people
feel
they're
being
treated,
and
this
comes
from
the
communities
perceptions
assessment
that
was
put
together
by
the
city
in
2017,
and
it
does
talk
about
a
lack
of
diversity
which
is
related
to
a
lack
of
affordable
housing
and
that
we
and,
as
a
result,
boulder
is
becoming
an
increasingly
inequitable
community.
D
You
know,
increasingly,
we
are
seeing
less
of
a
middle
class,
we're
seeing
less
low
income
people
and,
as
the
housing
prices
indicate,
we
are
seeing
really
more
of
a
economic
elite
becoming
the
norm
in
our
city.
D
Residents
have
also
identified
this
as
a
priority,
and
I
think
that
you
know
oftentimes
we've
been
talking
about.
How
do
we
make
boulder
a
more
welcoming
and
inclusive
place,
and
I
think
popular
opinion
sports.
The
notion
that
affordable
housing
is
an
effective
tool
in
making
this
happen.
So
what
do
we
do?
D
It's
also
important
to
know
that
he
defines
a
racist
policy
is
any
measure
that
produces
or
sustains
racial
inequity
between
racial
groups.
An
anti-racist
policy
is
any
measure
that
produces
or
sustains
racial
equity
between
racial
groups,
but,
what's
also
important
to
note
here,
is
that
it's
not
necessarily.
B
That's
great,
thank
you
clay,
so
I
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
clay
on
this
project.
I
mean
he
did
the
the
99
of
the
work,
but
it
was
quite
an
honor,
so
we
wanted
to
share
this
with
you,
like
I
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting,
but
mostly
we
also
wanted
to
know
sort
of
what.
How
does
this?
How
do
you
feel
about
this?
B
What's
your
reaction
and
then
maybe
later
also,
if
you
think
it's
worthwhile,
is
it
something
that
we
should
be
trying
to
share
with
the
broader
community
in
boulder
to
help
start
some
sort
of
conversation?
B
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
have
some
comments.
First,
clay
and
jay.
I
mean
thanks
so
much
for
that.
That
was
great
to
see
and
you
know
laid
out
in
that
timeline.
I
you
know
my
first.
E
I
suppose
my
first
comment
is
how
little
things
have
changed
amazes
me,
although
it's
not
surprising,
because
I
feel
it
you
know
constantly
in
boulder
and
the
other
piece
that
I
that
I
think
was
important,
that
clay
brought
up
at
the
very
end.
E
There
is
the
question
of
intent
in
these
things
and
when
I
say
how
little
things
have
changed,
I
think
it
mostly
is
focused
on
not
the
intent,
but
the
functioning
and
the
outcomes
that
we
get,
and
you
know
I
think,
as
a
community
jay
you
mentioned,
should
we
start
to
talk
about
this?
I
think
yeah.
We
should
start
talking
about
this
and
you
know
if
that's
something
that
that
hap
can
help
initiate
and
bring
about.
I
think
that
would
be
fabulous.
E
You
know
the
intent
piece
is
really
interesting
to
me
because
in
the
work
that
I
do,
I
see
so
much
of
staff
time
and
I
see
so
much
effort
by
individuals
in
our
community,
and
I
hear
so
much
discussion
by
individuals
in
our
community
about
equity
and
trying
to
create
an
equitable
community
in
boulder
and
when
I
then
engage
with
so
much
of
the
city
process.
E
Not
the
individuals
who
are
working
within
the
city
structures,
but
when
I
engage
with
the
process-
and
I
think
this
maybe
is
the
same
thing
that
struck
me
with
the
quote-
I
read
the
little
the
newspaper
cutting
about
the
mexican-american
families
who
were
being
sent.
E
You
know
provided
with
transportation
to
get
to
the
border,
and
I
think
that
that
intent,
if
you
had
spoken
to
people
at
the
time,
may
have
been
very
similar
to
what
we
feel
our
intent
is,
and
you
know
sometimes
it's
cloaked
in
other
things,
but
the
function
then
of
the
city
processes
are
actually
to
exacerbate
the
very
problem
rather
than
engage
with
the
solutions,
and
you
know
I
see
it
in
our
realm
and
things
that
we
talk
about
on
the
board
with
the
challenges
of
permitting
adus
within
our
town,
we
have
every
intent
of
making
adus
more
accessible
easier
to
get
easier
to
build,
but
the
actuality
of
trying
to
move
through
city
processes
is
not.
E
E
We
want
our
community
to
be
like
this
from
an
equitable
standpoint
and
from
a
standpoint
of
the
community
of
people
who
can
actually
live
here,
had
a
discussion
with
a
woman
passing
by
my
house
this
morning
on
the
street,
and
we
started
talking
about
this
a
little
bit
and
she
was
you
know
her
concern
about
her
children
who
were
born
and
raised
in
boulder
and
are
exiting
boulder
very
shortly.
E
So
I
think
we
really
need
to
start
shifting
and
giving
equal
weight
to
the
discussion
of
what
we
want
the
faces
in
our
community
to
look
like,
and
the
energy
of
our
community
versus
the
physical
and
built
environment
of
our
community.
Both
are
important
clearly,
but
I
don't
think
we
give
an
equal
balance
to
those
in
our
processes.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
and
again
thank
you.
That
was
a
great.
A
H
G
Want
I
really
appreciated
the
presentation
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
sentiments
that
jacques
just
articulated
and
really
you
know-
I
mean
what
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
issues
that
that
have
a
very
strong
socio-economic
undertone
in
terms
of
the
affordability
of
housing,
particularly
in
boulder,
given
all
the
challenges
we
have
and
the
point
clay
that
I
I
thought
it
was
really
good
that
your
presentation
had
this.
The
point
is,
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
the
three-legged
race
theory
right.
G
So
if
you
have
one
group
and
they
have
to
start
the
race,
you
know
as
a
three-legged
race
and
the
other
group's
just
sprinting
ahead.
And
then
you
say:
oh
okay,
well,
you
know
you
can
you
can
untie
your
legs
now?
G
The
race
is
already
half
over
and
I
think
that
when
we're
dealing
with
land
use
issues
and
boulder
and
property-
and
you
know
you
look
at
people
who
bought
their
house
for
200
000
30
years
ago
and
now
they're
selling
it
for
1.2
or
something
like
that-
that's
all
part
of
it
so
that
the
land
use
issues.
You
know
the
one
thing
I'd
say
is
intent.
I
think
that
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
people
whose
you
know
hearts
are
in
the
right
place
and
trying
to
effectuate
better
policy.
G
But
the
problem
is
all
the
policies
that
we
have
inevitably
when
you're
creating
those
socioeconomic
issues,
you're
also
creating
those
racial
issues.
Because
of
the
fact
that
you
know
you
have
to
deal
with
that
disadvantage
and
so
we're
dealing
with
land
use
which
I've
you
know
been
practicing
in
land
use
for
almost
a
quarter
century
now.
Somehow,
but
inevitably
things
like
zoning
really
have
a
strong
potential
to
underscore
the
racial
divide.
G
That
was
probably
much
more
intentional
or
volitional
when
it
was
put
into
place
and
now
you're
trying
not
to
be
that
way.
But
there's
still
that
that
undercurrent
right
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
here.
I'd
say
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
is
how
a
lot
of
the
policies
and
a
lot
of
the
challenges
towards
even
some
of
the
more
simple
things
like
a
remodel
of
a
home.
How
the
process
creates
those
challenges.
G
You're
gonna
absolutely
see
that
when
you're
starting
to
juxtapose
that
with
you
know
the
racial
challenges
as
well
and
same
thing
with
you
know,
trying
to
develop
multi-family
trying
to
get
new
families
in
here.
I
think
those
are
all
things
that
we
do
need
to
start
really
trying
to
be
cognizant
about
and
and
saying
you
know,
just
like
jacques
said
we're
trying
to
determine
how
we
build
a
community
not
just
from
a
land
use
perspective
but
from
a
people
perspective
and
that's
something
that
really
needs
to
drive
a
lot
of
the
land
use.
G
Discussions
and
land
use
decisions
that
we're
facing,
and
so
I
think
it's
absolutely
germane
to
what
we
do
and
and
it's
an
incredible
challenge.
But
I
appreciate
you
know
these
steps.
I
think
that
presentation
can
be
very
helpful
and
very
edifying
for
people
moving.
I
G
From
you
know
all
different
community
interests,
because
it
provides
a
lot
of
context
for
boulder
that
even
for
me,
you
know
having
been
in
and
out
of
here
for
many
many
years
or
three
decades.
You
know
pretty
edifying
so
again
I
appreciate
it
and-
and
I
think
it's
it's
definitely
something
that
merits
for
the
conversation.
A
Obviously
the
whole
land
use
industry
has
been
shaken
up
in
the
last
year.
I
guess
this
is
the
actual
adversary
of
george
floyd's.
I
think
it
may
be
that's
that
was
a
terrible
tragedy.
It's
had
some
positive
outcomes
in
raising
people's
awareness
and
getting
the
briefing
business
practices
like.
What's
what
does
the
bottom
line
really
mean?
That's
not
the
purview
of
this
board
necessarily,
but
it's
a
healthy
mindset.
A
That's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
creative
thought
to
make
happen
because
you're
really
dealing
with
some
basic
tenets
of
capitalism,
for
example
in
terms
of
policy
discussions
I
could
say
maybe
this
is
a
topic
for
a
retreating
discussion.
Later
we
can
talk
about
regulations.
We
can
talk
about
stabilizing
land
costs
through
creative
techniques.
A
You
know
those
are
things
I
personally
would
like
to
see
get
on
the
board's
agenda,
certainly
at
the
retreat-
and
I
hope
the
council
will
be
open
to
discussing
those
issues
too,
because
we're
really
we're
dealing
with
as
a
formerly
codified
as
legal
racism
is
now
you
know
effectively
the
economic
reality
what's
happening.
A
So
that's
a
very
tough
issue
to
tackle
I'm
one
of
those
bought.
My
house
30
years
ago,
danny
I'm
not
selling
it,
but
you
know
if
I
did,
it
would
theoretically
be
rich
and
I
don't
feel
great
about
that,
but
that
is
reality
of
the
economic
situation
we're
in.
So
I
also
think
it's
incredibly
useful.
A
lot
of
us
have,
I
hope,
in
reading
literature,
on
this,
how
to
be
an
anti-racist,
great
color
of
law-
really
amazing
book.
A
A
Okay,
anything
else
on
that
very
large
topic.
B
B
J
Sorry,
I've
I've
now
put
up
a
couple
of
hands
and
I
don't
know
what
they
are
for.
One,
I
think
was
a
high
five
anyway.
J
Thank
you
very
much
clay
really
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
to
others
for
sharing
the
comments,
and
it
just
brings
to
light
that
for
me
that
what
was
going
on
all
over
the
country
during
that
same
historical
period
has
been
was
going
on
here
in
boulder
and
we
don't
really
think
of
it
in
the
west
as
much
as
we
do
in
the
eastern
part
of
the
u.s
in
terms
of
the
civil
war
piece
of
it.
But
I
I
was
curious
in
terms
of
solutions
to
this
problem.
J
I
I
mean
I
had
a
couple
of
ideas,
but
in
talking
about
zoning,
clay
and
others
city
or
on
this
board,
would
they
suggest
changing
some
of
the
commercial
zoning
that
we
have
for
office
into
housing,
because
that
is,
it
does
seem
to
present
a
challenge,
and
I-
and
I
don't
mean
to
pick
on
the
high-tech
companies
they
just
are
very
attracted
to
our
our
community.
J
But
when
we
we
have
the
arrival
of
high-tech
companies
and
industry,
it
tends
to
attract
not
necessarily
a
workforce
that
lives
here,
but
rather
a
workforce
that
is
coming
from
other,
typically,
a
very
high
cost
of
living
markets.
So
I
saw
your
meaning
mean
housing
price
there
on
the
screen,
and
I
would
submit
to
to
all
of
you
that
if
you
were
moving
here
from
silicon
valley,
that
would
look
pretty
inexpensive
by
comparison.
J
And
would
we
be
that
cert
well
served
to
change
from
a
zoning
standpoint,
a
commercial
zoning
to
more
residential
and
retail
that
serves
the
residential
dwellers?
J
D
E
Damn
sorry,
you're
being
sorry,
I'm
back,
I
wanted
to
loop
back
to
it.
You
know
juliet
kind
of
in
response
to
that.
Just
thinking
about
that,
I
I
have
imagined
solutions,
but
community
solutions.
I
think
I
loop
back
to
lynn
and
her
comment
about
the
jobs
housing
imbalance
that
we
have,
and
you
know
in
some
ways
I
I
don't
see
those
solutions
existing
until
we
actually
engage
in
a
really
meaningful
way
with
that
really
hard
debate-
and
I
think
you
know
so.
E
The
start
of
that
solution
is
to
actually
engage
with
the
problems
that
you
know
have
created
it
and
both
what
clay's
brought
up
tonight
and
what
you
are
alluding
to
and
what
lin
brought
up
and
again.
I
would
love
to
hear
us
as
a
board
start
to
have-
and
I
know
it's
all
political
touchy
subjects,
but
I
would
love
to
see
us
as
a
board
start
having
those
discussions,
and
so
maybe
that's
something
that
we
can
talk
about
at
our
retreat
and
see
how
we
might
bring
it
bring
it
to
the
boards
table.
A
We're
going
to
have
a
great
agenda
for
that
bird
retreat.
Does
anyone
else
have
a
comment
before
we
move
on
with
our
agenda
tonight?.
D
If
I
just
may
have
a
final
observation,
because
actually
what
I've
heard
from
all
of
you
has
been
extremely
helpful,
but
I
think
you
know
like
juliet
hearing
your
potential
solution
and
your
raising
of
the
tech
industry
is
being
an
issue
of
this.
I
think
it
supports
the
argument
that
we've
been
going
down
a
certain
path
since
the
1800s
and
the
influx
of
tech,
money
and
culture
is
still
very
much
part
of
sort
of
a
direct
vector
of
all
of
that.
D
You
know
in
some
ways
you
can
make
a
good
argument
that
boulder
is
as
much
a
suburb
of
the
bay
area
than
it
may
be
of
denver,
and
I
think
this
to
me
just
indicates
the
feedback
I've
gotten
from
all
of
you
is,
if
that
we
can
educate
the
broader
community
about.
While
we
have
all
these
things
that
we
viewed
as
net
positives,
let's
probe
a
little
deeper
and
see
what
some
of
the
impacts
have
been
and
how
this
has
led
to
things
like
people
from
very
expensive
places,
saying.
D
Well,
it's
not
all
that
expensive
relative
to
where
we
are,
but
I
think
it's
really
time
to
question
some
of
the
assumptions
behind
the
decisions
we
make.
I
mean
in
a
way
I
feel
it's
like
you
know.
You
have
a
multi-generational
family
and
the
initial
family
builds
the
fortune,
the
initial
family
members.
The
first
generation
builds
the
fortune
of
the
family
by
doing
things
that
maybe
are
questionable.
D
But
you
know
by
the
time
you
get
down
to
the
third
or
fourth
generation.
You
know
everything
seems
legitimized
and
okay
and
there's
that
veneer
of
respectability-
and
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
origins
of
you-
know
boulder's
a
great
place.
But
how
did
we
get
here?
And
you
know
what
were
some
of
the
assumptions
that
we
need
to
question
and
where
are
we
going?
Thank
you
for
that
opportunity.
A
We
have
another
topic:
eviction,
prevention
and
rental
assistance,
services,
update
and
minor
amendments.
This
will
be
reported
out
by
christian
heiser,
executive,
deputy
director
of
housing
and
human.
H
Services,
so
it
just
seems
really.
I
just
always
appreciate
clay's
work
and
jay's
work
on
this
topic,
and
it
just
is
seems
like
a
nice
transition
into
this
conversation,
because,
while
we'll
be
providing
an
update
on
the
eviction
prevention,
rental
assistance
program,
it
is,
it
does
present
a
small
one
tool
that
we
can
use
to
really
look
at
equitable
access
to
resources.
That's
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
program,
and
so
it's
just.
H
It
seems
like
a
appropriate
presentation
to
be
able
to
step
into
this
space
and
talk
to
you
about
this.
So
I
am
joined
by
jay
allen.
H
H
I
was
here
back
in
march
to
present
on
kind
of
the
the
origins
of
the
program
and
how
it
was
going
at
that
point
and
now
from
the
lessons
learned
since
we
put
it
into
action
since
january,
we're
making
a
trip
back
to
council
in
june
to
suggest
some
ordinance
changes
and
refinements,
and
that's
what
we'd
like
to
present
to
you
on
tonight.
So
let
me
take
a
minute
and
share
my
screen
because
we
do
have
a
presentation.
H
H
It
was
karen
armstrong
and
myself
and
we
were
talking
about
how
we,
how
ordinance
8412
was
passed
back
in
november
and
how
we
stepped
into
pretty
quickly
to
launch
this
program
just
because
it
really
provided
an
opportunity
for
us
to
shore
up
a
lot
of
the
program
we
already
had
in
place
and
take
advantage
of
this
great
community
support
for
this
type
of
work
and
this
important
tool
for
our
community
members
to
be
able
to
maintain
their
housing
and,
like
I
said,
any
ordinance
or
new
program
since
its
inception.
H
H
So
tonight
we're
going
to
review
the
proposed
changes
with
you
and
we're
going
to
be
seeking
your
feedback,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
the
presentation
and
then
we
would
like
to
open
it
up
to
questions
and
any
other
insights
you
might
wanna
share
with
us
about
how
this
program
is
evolving.
C
H
So
just
a
quick
look
back
ordinance
8412
was
a
renter-driven
initiative
and
it
was
approved
by
the
voters
in
boulder
in
november
2020.
and
what
how
we
saw
that
is
it
really
a
firm,
boulder
community's
commitment
to
being
a
welcoming,
inclusive
and
diverse
community
by
by
approving
this
measure.
H
It
just
really
asserts
that
the
community
is
committed
to
making
sure
that
all
individuals
can
access
and
protect
their
housing
options.
Ordinance
8412
established
a
rental
licensing
tax
to
operate
and
fully
fund
a
program
to
provide
housing
supports
and
including
rental
assistance
and
legal
representation
to
tenants
at
risk
of
eviction.
H
H
The
court
ordinance
calls
for
the
program
to
be
fully
implemented,
12
months
after
the
effective
date
of
the
ordinance.
So
right
now
we're
in
june.
It's
been
running
for
about
six
months,
we'll
be
sharing
some
details
about
who
we've
worked
with
in
those
six
months,
and
it
just
continues
to
kind
of
move
along.
H
So
since
january
again,
this
is
just
a
little
bit
of
a
revisiting
of
what
you
heard
in
march
is
that
we
executed
a
contract
with
a
non-profit
bridge
to
justice,
to
provide
legal
support
and
representation.
H
We
established
the
eviction,
prevention,
rental,
service
services,
phone
number
and
website,
including
an
active
service,
request,
form
and
jay
will
be
talking
about
that
in
a
second.
But
essentially,
people
are
able
to
access
us
by
phone.
They
can
go
to
the
website.
They
can
fill
out
the
request
form.
It
is
then
quickly
sent
to
a
staff,
member
jay
or
another
one
of
our
staff
members
who
then
respond
back
and
assess
the
situation
and
plug
people
into
the
resources
that
best
meet
their
needs.
H
H
When
we
start
talking
about
the
amendments,
we
have
also
asked,
and
was
approved
by
city
council
to
appropriate
appropriate
a
little
over
a
million
dollars
from
the
general
fund
to
cover
star
startup
of
program
costs
until
the
revenues
from
rental
license,
excise
tax
are
received
and
once
those
are
received,
we
will
then
reimburse
the
general
fund
and
repay
these
startup
funds
that
we've
received
to
get
things
going.
H
We've
established
a
financial
rental
assistance
fund,
that's
accessible
to
clients.
We
initiated
the
recruitment
of
the
tenant
advisory
committee
that
were
aiming
to
be
seated
in
the
beginning
of
q3
of
quarter
three
of
2021
and
while
we're
on
this
topic
really
want
to
put
a
plug
in
for
that
we're.
Actually,
it's
been,
I
think,
we've
been
recruiting
for
about
two
months
now
and
actually
apple
and
we've
done
a
pretty
extensive
around
our
recruitment
through
social
media
through
our
community
connectors
through
our
boards
and
commissions.
H
We
have
not
received
enough
applications
to
actually
do
a
selection
process.
Quite
yet,
so
just
really
want
to
put
a
plug
in
to
help
us
to
you
all
to
help
us
get
the
word
out
to
recruit
tenants
to
serve
on
that
committee.
Just
as
a
side
note,
they
do
get
paid
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
participate.
H
So
there
is
a
nice
financial
incentive
to
help
participate
in
that
to
really
to
facilitate
their
ability
to
be
a
part
of
this
work
and
then,
finally,
we
hired
a
full-time
eviction,
prevention,
rental
assistance,
coordinator
being
jay
allen,
who
I'm
going
to
ask
to
unmute
himself
and
he's
going
to
share
a
little
bit
now
about
how
the
program
works
and
how
it's
been
working
for
the
next
two
months
for
the
last
six
months,
and
then
I
will
pop
back
in
and
talk
about
the
amendments.
I
Yeah
all
right,
so
so
I'm
jay
allen.
I've
been
asked.
I've
been
brought
on
to
help
with
this.
I
was
on
a
full-time
basis
and
I
have
been
working
with
the
city
for
a
long
time
so
yeah.
So
I
wanted
to
sort
of
talk
about
where
we,
how
we
see
things
working
with
the
program.
So
far
we
have
been
operating
since
january
with
what
we've
had
we're
still
building
up
the
program.
So
you
can
sort
of
see
here
on
this
slide.
I
I
can
talk
a
bit
a
little
bit
about
sort
of
some
generalized
case
studies,
without
any
specifics
in
how
we're
seeing
those
cases
move
through
our
system
and
what
outcomes
we're
seeing
and
when
we
see
that
sort
of
first
contact,
pre-eviction
court
and
then
boulder
court's
system,
we
tend
to
believe
that
the
earlier
we
can
be
involved
with
somebody
who's
in
a
situation
that
might
end
up
with
an
eviction
the
the
better
we're
going
to
have
an
outcome,
the
better
the
outcome
is
going
to
be
for
the
tenant
and
for
everybody
involved,
including
the
landlords.
I
So
first
contact
can
come
through
that
online
web
form.
It
can
come
through
a
referral
from
another
agency
and
they
can
come
through
the
phones,
the
phone,
the
message
line
that
you
see
there.
We
also
some
folks
are
going
directly
to
bridge
to
justice
the
the
law
firm
that
we've
that
we're
working
with
and
and
sometimes
we
are
seeing
people
come
from
there
and
being
referred
to
us
because
they're,
not
quite
at
the
stage
where
legal
assistance
is
going
to
be
the
most
apt
thing
to
help
their
situation,
so
that
first
contact
piece.
I
We
really
want
that
to
be
as
early
as
we
can.
Information
is
going
out
with
some
kinds
of
eviction
filing
paperwork,
including
our
number
and
website,
so
people
can
people
have
access
to
it.
That's
seems
to
be
one
of
the
big
ways
that
people
are
getting
getting
the
word
about
the
program
we're
starting
to
see
some
people
just
sort
of
mouth.
We
did
have
some
press
last
month
when
we
saw
a
lot
of
people
reach
out
from
that.
I
I
Somebody
is
starting
to
have
an
issue
with
their
landlord,
an
issue
with,
with
lack
of
funds,
to
pay
to
pay
the
rent,
for
example,
they
reach
out
through
either
the
online
online
forum
or
through
the
the
the
phone
line,
and
our
first
preference
is
to
connect
them
to
mediation
and
other
kinds
of
conflict
resolution
tools
without
having
to
go
through
the
court
system.
So
you
know
we
have
seen
that
be
successful
in
cases
where
somebody
would
reach
out
we'll
have
a
mediator
contact
them.
I
They'll
work
with
the
mediator,
they'll
get
and
they'll
get
a
mediation
set
up
and
they'll
reach
an
agreement
and
possibly
reach
rental
assistance
through
us
or
to
another
agency
that
resolves
the
issue
before
anything
else
happens,
and
that
seems
like
a
really
good
outcome:
the
pre-eviction
court.
We
are
working
with
the
courts
right
now.
We
get
our
dockets
for
the
the
next
week
about
a
week
ahead
of
time.
I
That
shows
all
the
eviction
cases
that
are
going
to
be
that
are
going
to
be
heard
for
the
following
week,
and
the
an
emphasis
for
the
program
has
been
to
really
try
to
reach
out
to
those
people.
The
week
before
to
try
to
talk
to
them
to
see
if
we
can
get
them
into
a
conflict
resolution
scenario
like
a
mediation
or
get
access
to
rental
assistance,
if
that's
going
to
help
the
situation
and
if,
if
it's
gonna
be
gonna,
be
helpful,
we'll
also
try
to
connect
them
to
legal
assistance
where
that's
appropriate.
I
I
So
at
the
moment,
anybody
in
the
county
can
contact
us
and
really
reach
the
full,
the
full
range
of
the
services
that
work
that
we're
trying
to
connect
people
to.
So
so
that's
going
pretty
well
so
far.
If
we
talk
about
a
case
where
this
might
happen,
we
we
see
people
come
in.
We
reach
out
to
them.
I
If
we've
worked
with
them
in
the
past
or
on
the
docket,
so
we
have
them
on
the
docket
they
reach
out
to
we
reach
out
to
them,
and
the
best
outcome
we've
seen
is
cases
where
we
then
get
rental
assistance
set
up
for
them
and
then
have
a
conversation
between
them
and
their
landlord
where
they
resolve
the
issue
without
actually
having
to
go
through
an
eviction,
any
kind
of
eviction
filing
and
that
will
get
dismissed
before
court.
That's
the
best
outcome.
I
We
have
seen
other
outcomes
where
somebody
would
we'd
contact
them
and
then
they'd
work
with
the
attorneys
and
then
end
up
going
going
to
the
eviction
court,
and
then
we
could
still
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
intervene.
So
we
are
going
to
boulder
courts
on
fridays
myself.
I
We
also
have
some
attorneys
who
will
be
available
remotely
if
we,
if
we
have
the
need
for
that
level
of
resources.
So
when
we
go
to
court,
often
you'll
see
a
large
group
of
people
there
who
are
offering
this
range
of
services,
which
has
been
pretty
well
received
by
the
court
system.
So
far,
often
there's
more
of
us
in
attendance
than
there
are
tenants
at
the
moment,
because
the
number
of
cases
are
is
a
little
limited
because
of
what's
happening
with
the
pandemic
and
ongoing
conditions.
That
is,
however,
expected
to
change
quickly.
I
So
what
you
see
there?
If
we
talk
about
a
case
study,
somebody
comes
to
court,
they
don't
know
what's
going
on
and
fortunately,
if
you
show
up
now,
we'll
have
resources
there,
like
myself
and
an
attorney
who
can
walk
a
person
through
the
process
and
then
engage
in
the
mediation
there
at
court
and
then
as
part
of
that
mediation,
I'll
reach
out
and
connect
them
to
rental
assistance,
either
through
our
program
or
through
the
other
programs
that
are
available.
I
There's
a
lot
of
programs
that
are
available
right
now
related
to
the
to
the
pandemic,
and
we
have
seen
a
lot
of
cases
where
those
two
things
will
cause
the
eviction
to
not
happen,
though
they'll
reach
an
agreement
with
their
landlord
before
actually
any
kind
of
court
action,
and
then
that
gets
right
into
the
court
and
becomes
a
stipulation
that
becomes
enforceable
so
yeah.
We
really
do
focus
on
these
three
points
of
contact
and
those
those
are
kind
of
how
how
we
see
things
working
right
now
so
yeah
here.
I
This
is
just
talking
about
the
the
range
of
services
that
we
have
available
from
mediation
to
rental
assistance
to
legal,
and
you
can
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
we.
This
this
slide
is
a
little
64..
I
think
that's
a
little
update.
We've
worked
with
a
few
more
folks
than
that,
but
I
think
this
is
a
little
more
updated
than
some
than
one
version
of
this.
So
but
you.
I
May
15th
yeah,
you
do
see,
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
accessing
a
wide
range
of
our
services,
which
I
think
is.
I
We
certainly
feel
feel
good
about
that
and
I
think
a
lot
of
these
things
really
do
work
hand
in
hand
pretty
well.
The
rental
assistance
and
mediation
can
often
you
know,
sidestep
or
go
around
the
need
to
have
any
kind
of
legal
assistance
available
and
legal
assistance
can
really
help
them
help
the
mediation
process
be
successful
and
all
three
of
them
together
can
obviously
turn
around
the
situation
pretty
quickly.
So
so
yeah,
that's
about
what
we've
seen
so.
H
Well,
thank
you,
jay.
That
was
great.
It's
been
just
incredible
to
see
jay
and
karen
and
the
team
to
just
grow
this
program.
This
the
past
six
months
has
just
really
kind
of
taken
off.
I
would
also
just
add
that
those
services
that
are
available,
whether
it's
by
phone
or
in
person
at
court
or
any
of
our
materials
they're
all
available
in
spanish
as
well,
and
so
we
staff
members
can
work
if
there's
an
individual
that
is
there
or
needs
services
and
their
first
language
is
spanish.
H
H
When
the
ordinance
was
written,
it
essentially
said
that
it
would
be
collected,
but
it
didn't
specify,
city
or
county
or
just
provided
us
an
opportunity
to
figure
out
kind
of
the
most
efficient
and
effective
way
to
do
that,
so
the
staff
evaluated
several
possible
options
for
the
collection
of
of
this
new
rental
tax,
including
collecting
it
through
the
city's
existing
licensing
software.
You
might
be
familiar
with
citizen
self-service
or
looking
at
the
city's
tax
and
revenue
management
software
called
gen
tax.
H
So
that's
just
a
cleanup,
not
a
big
thing.
It's
just
something
that
will
just
make
it
more
efficient
for
the
users
as
well
as
city
and
county
staff.
H
H
When
you
read
the
ordinance
as
it
was
written
back
in
the
fall,
is
it
really
identified
rental
license
rental
assistance
and
legal
representation
and,
as
jay
just
presented
it
really,
we
want
to
have
as
much
latitude
to
be
as
creative
and
as
responsive
as
needed,
and
so
the
proposed
changes
is
really
to
provide
us,
the
flexibility
and
the
agility
to
meet
people
where
they're
at
and
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
they
are
that
what
is
needed
to
keep
maintain
their
housing
is
we're
able
to
employ
and
offer
so
going
back
to
just
reiterating
what
jay
said,
considering
that
earlier
interventions
lead
to
more
successful
outcomes
for
landlord
tenant
matters,
we're
proposing
that
the
ordinance
kind
of
spells
out
the
menu
of
options
and
prioritizes
and
highlights
the
need
for
things
to
be
early
interventions,
so
bringing
a
rental
rental
assistance,
bringing
a
dispute
resolution
encouraging
community
mediation
and
then
really
trying
to
have
legal
advice
and
legal
representation.
H
In
addition,
staff
is
proposing
an
expansion
of
those
services,
as
I
just
said,
to
include
dispute
resolution
services
and
other
financial
assistance.
Beyond
that.
What
the
financial
assistant
might
look
like
is
it
could
cover
the
cost
of
attendance
expenses
to
transition
to
a
new
or
temporary
housing.
H
So
if,
if
there
is
not
a
resolution
of
staying
in
the
home
that
there
might
be
funding
that
we
could
provide
to
help
a
tenant
be
able
to
transition
to
their
next
location,
so
helping
with
simple
moving
costs,
so
there
would
be
parameters
on
this,
but
really
just
whatever
is
needed,
to
help
somebody
exit
the
situation
and
move
on
to
their
next
stable
housing
situation.
H
We
are
also
just
providing
asking
city
council
to
provide
some
clarification
when
it
comes
to
the
tenant
advisory
committee.
H
The
original
ordinance
created
a
tenant
committee
comprised
of
five
members
who
are
tenants
of
the
city
of
boulder
and
they
can't
own
real
property
and
how
it
reads
is
that
they
oversee
the
program
and
staff
and
that's
a
real
departure
from
how
boards
commissions
and
committees
work
in
the
city,
and
so
the
clarification
is
just
that
the
tenant
committee
will
serve
as
an
advisory
committee
appointed
to
ensure
the
legislative
intent
of
the
eviction
prevention.
Rental
assistance
program
is
fulfilled.
H
So
this
is
something
that
we
have
shared
with
a
variety
of
stakeholders
and
I'll
be
talking
about
outreach
in
a
second.
But
we
did
take
this
to
the
to
the
newer
advocates.
Thinking
that
this
might
be
a
point
of
contention,
and
they
were
in
support
of
this-
that
that
clarification
makes
sense
and
is
in
alignment
with
how
all
the
other
city,
boards
and
commissions
work
similar
to
have.
H
So
the
next
one
is
exemptions.
So
at
the
time
of
the
adoption
exemption
from
the
rental
license,
excise
tax
was
limited
to
units
owned
by
the
housing
authority
being
boulder
housing
partners,
and
that
is
based
on
state
statute
that
exempts
older
housing
partners
properties
to
be
exempt
from
local
taxes,
and
in
january
city
council
requested
that
city
staff
look
at
that
to
determine
if
there
were
other
exemptions
that
might
be
considered,
and
so
we
we've
looked
at
three
different
options
to
to.
You
know:
consider
no
exemptions,
except
for
the
housing
authority.
H
Units
per
the
state
statute
statute
exempt
only
units
owned
by
nonprofit
and
tax
exempt
status.
That
was
one
of
the
options
that
was
kind
of
expressed
publicly
by
some
affordable
housing
providers
as
well
as
city
council
specifically
asked
us
to
look
at
that
and
then
finally
is
to
exempt
all
units
certified
by
the
city
as
low
income.
Rental
units
currently
exempt
from
the
city's
rental
license
fee.
H
So
analysis
of
these
three
options
included
the
financial
impact
of
additional
exemptions,
the
administrative
impact
of
processing,
exemptions
and
rates
of
exemptions
of
the
city's
affordable
housing
partners.
So
it's
estimated
the
rental
license.
Excise
tax
will
generate
approximately
1.5
million
dollars
annually
and
accounting
for
the
statutorily
exempted
units.
Those
bhp
units
that
that
includes
that
1.5
includes
the
exemption
of
the
bhp
units.
H
It
is
also
estimated
that
the
program
that
this
ordinance
has
created
will
will
require
an
estimated
one
million
dollars
per
year
to
function.
So
the
financial
impacts
of
these
exemptions
are
reflected
on
this
slide.
So
the
109,
the
109
000,
represents
housing
authority
units
already
exempted
for
the
state
statute,
so
that's
accounted
for
the
1.5
you
see
at
the
top.
H
H
And
relating
to
the
administrative
impact
of
processing
exemptions,
city
staff
annually
certifies
right
rental
units
furthering
the
city's
affordable
housing
goals,
so
the
certified
inventory
that
our
staff
puts
together
every
year
is
provided
annually
to
the
city
of
boulder
planning
and
development
services,
licensing
team
and
the
boulder
county
assessor's
office
because
they
use
it
for
their
own
kind
of
just
knowing
the
lay
of
the
land
understanding
the
residential
inventory
in
the
city
of
boulder.
So
this
is
this
is
already
a
practice.
That's
been
in
place
for
many
years.
H
The
inventory
that
we
track
and
certify
includes
units
that
are
owned,
leased
or
managed
by
a
housing
authority
or
a
non-profit,
is
subject
to
a
unit
that
is
subject
to
a
city
approved
permanently
affordable
housing
covenant.
So
that
is,
you
often
hear
us
talk
about
our
permanently
affordable
housing
inventory.
So
all
of
those
units
are
included.
H
It
also
includes
legally
rent
restricted
units
by
contractor
covenants.
So
there
are
properties
in
boulder
that
have
received
tax
credits,
for
example,
that
the
city
doesn't
have
a
covenant
on.
We
did
not
participate,
are
my
pre-date
kind
of
inclusionary
housing
or
we
might
not
have
participated
with
a
housing,
a
city
investment,
and
so
we
don't
actually
have
a
covenant,
but
because
of
the
federal
financing
that
they
received
or
other
reasons
they
might
have
some
sort
of
rent
restriction
already
on
the
property.
H
So
we
account
for
those
as
well
so
due
to
the
existing
process
that
we
have
to
account
for
pretty
much
any
unit
in
our
community
that
it
that
we
identify
as
contributing
to
our
affordable
housing
goals,
we're
already
tracking
that
we're
already
providing
that
information
to
our
rental
licensing
team,
as
well
as
the
county
assessor's
office.
H
So
expanding
the
exemptions
is
deemed
minimal
when
it
comes
to
the
administrative
involvement
of
that
and
then
finally,
when
it
comes
to
concerns
about
eviction
rates
and
if
we
were
to
exempt
any
units,
we
did
reach,
we've
had
several
conversations
with
our
affordable
housing
providers
and
what
they
reported
and
we're
using
2018-2019
numbers
pre-covered.
H
Just
because
proof
cobit
is
2020
is
just
such
a
random
year.
For
so
many
reasons
they
all
reported.
This
is
our
housing
authority,
our
nonprofit
housing
providers.
As
well
as
our
for-profit
housing
providers
that
are
working
in
the
affordable
housing
space,
they
reported
less
than
a
two
percent
invention
rate
in
those
two
years
across
those
two
years
and
in
most
cases
it
was
less
closer
to
one
percent.
So
we
don't
see
that
these
are.
If
you
were
to
identify
potentially
bad
actors
in
the
community
that
are
pursuing
evictions
unfairly.
H
They
are
not
showing
up
in
our
in
our
inventory.
They
are
not
showing
they
are.
They
are
not
a
part
of
our
affordable
housing
partners.
If,
if
you
were
to
identify
someone
so
given
the
considerations
above
staff
recommends
further
exemptions
be
granted
to
the
units
certified
by
the
city
as
low-income
rental
units
currently
exempt
from
the
city's
rental
licensing
fee,
and
so
that's
going
to
include
all
those
units
that
I
just
talked
about.
H
H
And
moving
on
talking
about
so
over
the
last
few
months
we
have
met
with
advocates
from
the
no
eviction
without
representation,
that
is
the
group
of
volunteers
that
brought
forth
ordnance
80
412..
H
The
reason
we
met
with
them
is
because
of
the
rental,
the
rental
of
the,
how
manufactured
housing,
communities
work
with
the
rental
of
the
land
are
having
a
lease
of
the
land
and
then
owning
your
home
on
top
of
the
land
that
they
too
are
protected
under
this
ordinance,
so
a
manufactured
housing
community
resident
would
be
able
to
access
these
services
as
well.
So
we
thought
it
was
important
to
reach
out
to
that
representatives
that
work
in
those
communities,
and
generally
we
found-
I
mean
not
generally
so
there
was
some.
H
There
was
conversation.
Some
fine
finer
points
that
they
wanted
to
that
they
have
suggested.
We
have
worked
those
into
the
the
recommendations
that
we're
making
to
city
council,
so
they
are
represented
in
the
information
I
just
shared
with
you,
but
generally
and
oh
you
know
across
the
board,
they
expressed
support
of
the
recommended
ordinance
amendments.
H
Finally,
if
that
wasn't
enough
outreach,
we
actually
then
sent
emails
and
postcards
to
almost
seven
thousand
rental
license
holders
across
the
city.
Fever
back
resulted
in
us
deciding
the
city
to
recommend
starting
collection
for
the
21
year,
because
that's
what
the
ordinance
required
that
it
would
be
collected
during
the
22
year
and
with
the
collection
period
being
between
march
and
june,
and
so
that's
the
june
20
june
of
2020
will
be
the
deadline
for
that,
and
that
was
informed.
H
It
just
seemed
to
be
most
fair
to
our
property
owners
to
be
kind
of
preparing
for
this
additional
fee,
and
so
this
is
where
we've
landed,
so
that
feedback
informed
us
pushing
this
out
to
next
year
for
collection,
63
of
the
respondents,
support
collection
through
the
annual
property
tax
and
finally,
54
that
we
heard
back
supports
exemption
of
the
permanently
affordable
rental
units.
H
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
any
questions
or
feedback
on
any
of
this.
A
I
A
G
Can
you
hear
me
yeah?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
so
is
this
comments
two
or
just
questions
whatever's
helpful
to
you?
Okay,
so
I
I
think
I
think
this
is
great
and
I
really
appreciate
how
thorough
it
is
and
and
some
of
the
improvements
that
have
been
made.
Obviously
through
you
know,
pain,
strength,
meticulous
process.
Sorry,
it's
my
son
in
the
background,
but
I
so
what
I
wanted
to
say
is
a.
I
think
it's
great
to
do
this
through
the
assessor
and
through
property
tax.
G
I
I
spent
a
lot
of
years.
You
know
working
as
a
municipal
and
county
attorney,
and-
and
so
I
think,
it's
really
effective
way
to
to
have
it-
that's
user-friendly
and
very
systemic
and-
and
you
know,
really
provides
statutory
means
of
collection.
So
I
think
that's
terrific.
I
think
that
chris
and
some
of
the
things
that
you
talked
about
about
the
emphasis
going
towards
dispute
resolution
and
and
kind
of
information
in
the
beginning.
G
That's
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
absolutely
stress,
having
dealt
with
all
facets
of
real
estate
law
for
decades.
I
would
say
that
what
I've
seen
so
many
times
not
only
residential
leases
but
commercial
leases,
is
that
often
both
sides,
the
landlord
and
the
tenant-
can
really
yeah.
G
There's
a
lot
of
gray
matter
that
maybe
they
don't
fully
appreciate
or
understand,
even
in
their
own
leases,
and
so
mediation
to
me
by
all
means
absolutely
positively
should
be
emphasized
on
this
as
much
as
possible
for
any
circumstance,
because
I
really
think
that
this
is
one
of
those
areas
and
I
don't
think
mediation
is
the
panacea
for
everything.
But
I
do
think,
for
you
know,
eviction
matters.
Mediation
can
be
really
really
really
effective.
G
You
know,
particularly
it's
not
just
money,
that's
involved,
but
maybe
money,
that's
tied
to
other
things,
and
so
I'd
love
to
see
that
bolster
as
much
as
possible.
G
G
You
know
court-appointed
counsel,
let's
say:
there's
always
an
income
qualification
here
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
different
economic
considerations,
so
you
know
if
I'm
renting,
if
I'm
renting
a
seven
thousand
dollar
a
month
home
up
on
devil's
thumb,
you
know
what
do
I
get
to
avail
myself
of
as
opposed
to
somebody
who's
trying
to
stay
in
their
two-bedroom
apartment?
You
know
with
a
family
of
five
or
something
like
that,
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
absolutely
imperative.
G
H
Well,
thank
you
for
the
feedback,
that's
great
when
it
your
with
regards
to
your
question,
the
way
that
the
ordinance
8412
was
written
and
what
how
it
will
continue
is
that
legal
representation,
as
well
as
our
community
mediation,
is
available
to
anyone.
So
there
are
no
income
limits
when
it
comes
to
accessing
those
types
of
services.
H
However,
when
it
comes
to
rental
assistance,
we
are
you
know
this.
This
revenue
source
is
the
majority
of
it
is
going
to
rental
assistance.
That
is
our
intention.
I
think
it's
about.
50
of
it
is
going
to
support
rental
assistance
off
the
top
of
my
head.
That's
number,
but
we
are
putting
income
limits
to
that
that
are
going
to
be
reflective
of
the
city's
income
limits.
H
Just
because
we
see
limited,
I
mean
it
is
a
finite
source
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
getting
to
those
who
are
most
in
need
and
so
we're
working
through
determining
kind
of
what
those
income
limits
will
be
we're
also.
H
But
we
are
also
putting
in
some
caveats
as
to
yes,
there's
income
limits,
but
also
somebody
might
experience
some
unexpected
expense
like
a
medical
bill,
or
something
like
that
that
there
would
be
some
flexibility
with
our
team
to
be
able
to
make
a
determination
if
somebody
would
be,
you
know,
eligible
because
of
an
extreme
circumstance,
and
there
will
probably
be
some
parameters
around
documentation
that
has
to
be
provided
by
the
landlord
if
they're
not
within
those
income
limits.
H
So
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
we're
trying
to
put
into
place
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
the
program,
as
well
as
the
limited
resource
of
the
financial
race,
the
financial
tools
we
have
jay.
I
saw
you
turn
on
your
camera.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that.
I
H
Yeah,
I
would
just
also
say
that
we're
going
to
maintain
a
little
bit
of
the
funding
at
the
city,
so
when
jay
or
one
of
our
team
members
is
at
court,
they
can,
they
can
be
responsive
on
the
spot.
H
If
somebody
if
there
is
a
financial
resolution
that
can
be
helpful
in
the
moment,
but
we
are
also
working
with
effa,
as
well
as
the
housing
helpline,
that's
through
the
county,
to
provide
money
because
really
the
intention
is,
we
have
rental
assistance
very,
very,
very
available
in
our
community
right
now,
thanks
to
not
only
the
covid
response,
but
then
also
because
of
this
program,
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
great
things
that
came
out
of
what
we
call
epres
is
that
we've
never
had
a
steady
source
of
rental
come
and
now
we
have
this
in
perpetuity.
H
We
will
have
these
dollars
available
specifically
for
this
purpose,
so
we
are
having
some
sit
with
the
city,
but
then
we're
also
working
with
alpha
and
the
county,
because
that
those
are
access
points
that
people
generally
go
to,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
people
are
it's
kind
of
that
theory
of
any
door
anyway.
Any
door
is
the
right
door
so
just
to
make
sure
it's
available
and
already
and
we're
in
a
lot
of
communication
with
those
partners
to
get
that
information
out,
as
well
as
to
track
what's
coming
coming.
Their.
A
Way
and
and
to
restate
denny's
question
slightly:
it's
it's
not
likely,
kristen
or
jay
that
the
seven
thousand
dollar
month
renter
on
table
you
know
double
sum
is
likely
to
take
advantage
of
this
program.
H
They
they
can
so
the
way
that
the
ordinance
is
written
is
if
they
would
be
eligible
to
access
the
community
mediation
program.
They
always
have
been
or
the
rentals
and
not
the
rental
assistance,
the
legal
services
so
the
way
that
the
ordinance
is
written
and
there's.
No,
we
we
haven't
received
any
feedback
from
city
council
or
our
community
members
to
change
that,
but
we,
but
we
did
try
to.
We-
are
putting
those
parameters
in
place
with
city
council
support
around
the
rental
assistance.
A
Okay,
I
got
a
couple
of
questions,
just
simple
clarifications
when
you
mention
the
amendment
to
collect
the
funds
through
property
tax
and
apologize
by
ignorance,
but
that
that
that's
the
money
assessed
to
people
who
are
rental
licenses.
Is
that
correct?
H
No,
it's
it
will
be
attached
to
if
an
individual
has
a
rental
license
and
they
are
not
exempt,
they
would
be
charged
this
fee,
so
it
will
be
attached
to
their
rental
license
fee.
A
Right
people
like
me
that
have
an
ad
to
you
and
then
the
if
I
understand
your
description
of
the
tenant
advisory
committee
correctly,
is
essentially
kind
of
a
watchdog
committee.
To
make
sure
this
program
ensues,
as
it
should.
Is
that
correct.
H
That's
right,
they'll,
be
a
partner
with
the
city
and
making
sure
that
this
is
you
know,
rolled
out
and
achieving
the
intention
of
the
the
the
voters
when
they
voted
for
this,
to
make
sure
that
people
have
resources
available
to
them.
H
So
they
will
be
working
very
closely
with
us
to
help
us
not
just
make
sure
that
it's
running
the
way
it
should,
but
to
help
us
evolve
it
because
every
day
we're
learning
new,
I'm
not
every
day,
but
every
month
every
I
mean
we've
just
the
the
resources
and
the
communication
and
what's
available
in
our
community
today,
from
where
we
were
two
years
ago.
I
mean
this
is
one
of
those
silver
linings
from
covid
is
like.
H
It
is
just
it's
a
different
landscape
for
individuals
who
are
at
risk
of
losing
their
rental
housing,
and
so
we
want
to
work
with
the
tenant
committee
to
make
sure
that
their
interests
are
known
and
voiced,
and
that
they're
helping
us
grow
this
program
to
be
what
it
needs
to
be
and
what
it
can
be
and
that
I
would
just
also
add
to
along
those
lines
is
the
city
is
jay
and
karen
have
been
in
contact
with
people
across
the
country
who
are
very
interested
in
this
initiative.
H
It's
becoming
known
about
it,
and
people
across
the
state
across
the
country
are
tapping
us
to
say
what.
If
what
are
you
doing,
this
is
what
we're
doing,
and
so
we're
just
learning
a
lot.
So
we
just
want
to
have
the
flexibility
to
really
grow
this
program
in
partnership
with
the
advisory
committee.
I
do
want
to
say:
can
I
make
a
quick?
So
if,
if
you're
interested
in
helping
us
recruit
for
the
advisory
committee,
they
just
need
to
go
to
that
website.
H
That
was
on
the
powerpoint
presentation.
I
can
drop
it
in
the
chat
too,
but
that's
where
they
would
access
the
application
in
that
position
is
because
it's
a
committee,
it's
appointed
by
the
city
manager.
So
we
will
be.
I
think
one
of
you
has
volunteered
to
help
us
with
that
with
that
selection,
but
it
would
go
to
the
city
manager
for
approval.
J
Thanks,
thank
you
so
much
kristen
nice
to
see
you.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
as
it
relates
to
your
last
point
of
getting
inquiries
from
other
cities.
J
I
was
curious
if
you
had
any
data
or
we're
going
to
collect
any
data
about
what
the
legal
process
has
cost
taxpayers
in
the
past
prior
to
the
implementation
of
this
new
system
and
and
if
then,
I
know
you're,
you
you've
got
some
data
on
on
how
much
you
think
it's
going
to
cost
now,
but
if
there
was
a
way
to
to
put
some
dollars
against
the
number
of
tenants
served
in
the
program
so
that
we
could
see
cost
per
tenant
and
that
we
could
see
what
the
overall
taxpayer
costs
versus
in
the
past,
because
if
it
in
fact,
through
mediation
and
other
forms
of
intervention,
rental,
inter
intermittent
rental
assistance
or
temporary
rental
assistance,
we
can
avoid
burdening
the
the
legal
system
with
these
kinds
of
cases
and
therefore
we
by
default,
save
taxpayer
money.
J
The-
and
this
was
somewhat
answered
already,
does
the
does
every
eviction
process
in
the
city
is
it?
Is
it
required
to
funnel
through
this
process
so
anytime,
there's
an
eviction
proceeding
or
event?
Would
it
need
to
funnel
through
this
process
and
that
and
therefore
take
the
burden
off
of
other
ways
of
dealing
with
eviction
processes?
J
J
I
saw
that
there
was
a
lot
in
favor
of
this
tax
program,
but
I
was
curious
what
the
response
rate
was
of
the
of
the
license
holders.
Thank
you.
H
Sure
so
those
are
great.
Thank
you.
So
your
first
question
about
the
legal
costs.
No,
we
have
not
considered
that,
but
I
think
that's
a
fabulous
idea.
So
when
you,
if
you
go
and
read
8412,
there's
like
a
full
page
page
and
a
half
of
items,
various
data
points
that
we
are,
that
the
ordinance
requires
that
we
collect
so
there's
going
to
be
quite
a
bit
of
work.
H
It's
an
opportunity.
It's
there's
going
to
be
a
real
opportunity
for
us
to
like
make
sure
that
what
we're
doing
is
effective
and
provides
us
the
opportunity
to
really
report
back
to
the
public
as
to
how
this
program
is
working
or
not
so,
but
that's
not
one
of
the
items
that
we
that
was
identified
in
there.
So
I
think
that
we
should
add
that,
to
the
list
I'll
say
the
list
that
isn't
included
in
the
ordinance.
H
Some
of
it
is
not
feasible
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
because
of
you
know,
privacy
concerns
because
it's
just
not
information.
That's
collected
by
the
courts,
there's
things
like
that.
So
one
of
the
first
things
we
want
to
ask
the
tenant
committee
to
help
us
do
is
really
refine
how
we
collect
information
about
the
program.
H
So
I
think
that'd
be
a
great
addition
to
add.
To
that
conversation
to
say,
here's
the
20
points
you're
asking
us
with
the
ordinance
asks
us
to
collect
these
aren't
going
to
work
for
these
legitimate
reasons
and
are
there
other
things
we
need
to
be
collecting
to
tell
this
story,
so
I
think
that's
a
great
recommendation.
Thank
you,
the
eviction
process
and
the
city.
H
It's
it's
not
required,
but
our
team
is
being
so
proactive,
as
jay
mentioned,
that
we
are
getting
the
docket
as
soon
as
it's
released
and
they
are
calling
every
single
individual.
That's
on
that
docket
that
we
that
we
can
reach
it
is
upon
that
person
then
to
work
with
us
they're
not
required
to
work
with
us.
We
hope
that
we
are
making
it
as
accessible
and
as
friendly
and
as
worth
their
involvement
or
having
us
involved
in
the
situation.
But
it's
not
something
that
is
required.
H
Ask
jay
allen
to
comment
on
that
in
a
second
and
when
it
comes
to
rental
license
I
mean
who
responded
so
there
were
6
700
that
went
out
what
I
was
told
by
our
finance
team
member
joel
wagner
that
put
out
this
survey.
He
said
he
never
gets
any
responses
on
taxing
issues
that
it's
like
very
rare,
that
he
gets
a
response
and
he
was
thrilled
to
have
received
300
responses.
So
in
in
the
world
of
surveying,
that's
not
a
huge
response
rate,
but
I
guess
in
his
world
he
thought
that
was
tremendous.
H
So
we
did
get
a
lot
of
feedback
and
generally
was
supportive.
It
was
a
lot
of
questions
just
more
concerns
about
I
mean
there
were
opinions
expressed,
but
it
was
more
concerns
about
making
sure
that
there
wouldn't
be
mistakes
so,
as
michael
mentioned,
of
a
homeowner
getting
potentially
taxed
on
accident
things
like
that
happening,
so
it's
more
concerns
of
just
like
making
sure
the
system
is
strong
and
effective.
H
I
H
This
topic,
so
thank
you,
kristen,
do
you
have
any
comments
or
anything
to
round
out
about
the
people
being
required
to
interact
with
the
program.
I
I
That
being
said,
the
the
number
one
group
of
people
that
we're
not
interacting
with
are
people
who,
for
one,
for
whatever
reason
we
don't
know,
don't
end
up
appearing
for
their
their
court
date
and
that's
a
real
it's
a
real
group
we'd
like
to
reach
out
and,
as
kristin
said,
we
are
reaching
out
to
everyone
that
we
can.
I
That
is
a
little
difficult.
The
information
that
we
have
that
we've
been
getting
so
far,
is
it's
a
lot
easier
to
reach
out
to
landlords
and
to
the
attorneys
of
landlords
than
to
the
tenants
directly
and
it's
something
we're
really
trying
to
address
with
with
the
courts.
We,
you
know
this.
This
program
would
function.
I
We
think
we
think
we
would
be
beneficial
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
access
to
the
court
filings
and
be
able
to
contact
the
people
directly
as
much
as
we
can,
because
that's
who
we're
that's,
who
we're
we're
tasked
to
to
to
really
kind
of
represent
in
this
situation.
I
So
the
the
question
is,
is
everyone's
everyone
required
to
to
partake
in
it
or
to
to
be
in
this
process?
Everyone
who
comes
to
court,
like
all
the
judges,
have
been
really
great.
You
know
hear
the
resources
that
available.
There's
attorneys,
there's
people
from
the
city
here
to
help
that
so
anybody
who
comes-
and
anybody
who
engages
the
process
early,
yes,
they're,
definitely
engaged
with
us
and
that
the
people
we
can't
reach
are
people
that
are
that,
don't
that
that
are
hard
to
reach
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
So,
but
yeah
anybody
who
comes
to
court
is
going
to
be
in
contact
with
the
program.
H
I
would
just
offer
the
other
thing
that
we
have
in
place
now
that
started
before
this
initiative
started
in
january.
Is
our
team
is
meeting?
I
think
it's
monthly,
with
the
judges,
with
the
other
community
meter
mediators
from
longmont
bridge
to
justice.
There
there's
just
a
lot
of
collaboration
that
goes
on
to
solve
for
those
things
and
determine
how
to
you
know,
expand
the
services,
and
one
of
the
things
we
saw
change
this
year
is
that
the
judges
were
actually
requiring
before
they.
I
think
they
would
get
called
up.
H
What
I
saw
happened
was
somebody
would
get
called
up.
Their
case
would
get
called
up,
and
the
judge
would
then
tell
them
to
go.
Take
a
break
go
into
the
hallway
and
meet
with
a
community
mediator,
essentially
to
see
if
there
was
a
resolution
that
could
be
reached
and
then
they
would
come
back
and
for
their
hearing.
You
know
whatever
were
to
happen
next,
so
the
judges
are
very
much
helping
us
like
interject
whenever
and
wherever.
We
can
and
they're
also
actively
giving
out
materials
about
this.
A
Yep
any
other
questions,
comments
for
christian
kristin,
I'm
sorry
or
jay.
A
Okay,
so
my
first
meeting
is
chair
here:
what
is
the
appropriate
action
here?
Do
we
need
a
motion
to
do
something,
and
we
just
say
great
work,
move
on.
B
So
it's
entirely
up
to
the
board,
so
you
could
make
a
motion.
Kristin
will
include
that
in
her
memo
to
counsel
or
she
could
just
add
you
to
the
list
of
people
who
say
yeah,
they
support
these
amendments.
It's
kind
of
it's
entirely
up
to
the
will
of
the
board.
I
A
H
Thank
you
and
please
send
some
tenants
our
way
to
help
us
get
our
tenant
committee
up
and
running.
We're
really
excited
about
getting
that
moving
as
well.
So
that's
really
kind
of
one
of
the
last
pieces
for
us
to
get
that
shaped
so
help
us
get
the
word
out
and
I
saw
that
jay
dropped
it
in
the
chat.
Thank
you,
j
segment
for
dropping
the
information
in
the
chat
about
that.
H
All
right
well
have
a
great
evening
thanks
again
for
your
support
and
just
for
all,
you
do
so
have
a
great
evening.
I
B
A
So
now
I'm
unmuted
yes,
yes,
okay
I'll,
try
to
where
it
goes
back
on
schedule.
We
have
an
important
agenda
item
we've
already
started
to
hint
at
this.
This
is
items
to
discuss
at
the
retreat.
I
had
talked
to
jay
about
this.
I
was
hopeful
we'd
be
able
to
meet
in
person,
but
not
none
of
that
will
be
happening
for
boards
until
september.
A
I
believe
that's
correct,
so
we
will
have
a
virtual
retreat
and
that
is
needed
because
we
need
to
get
some
of
our
thoughts
to
council
over
the
summer,
so
we
can't
really
put
out
their
treats.
So
I
heard
some
comments
about
discussion.
G
A
J
Well,
wouldn't
we
look
jay
at
what?
What
I'm
sorry
I
need
to.
I
asked
for
permission
to
speak
michael.
J
Wouldn't
we
want
to
look
at
what
council
has
coming
up
on
their
docket
and
prepare
for
prepare
for
those
items
in
terms
of
providing
input
and
being
helpful
to
them
from
a
housing
advisory
board
capacity
as
discussion
points
for
our
retreat,
I
would
suggest
suggest
that
as
a
as
a
starting
point-
and
I
I
would
also
move
your
comment
or
the
point
numbers
point
c
under
six
matters
from
the
board
on
the
agenda-
the
discussion
of
habb's
position
on
recent
action
actions
by
council
related
to
the
unhoused.
J
That's
all.
I
have.
B
So
if
I
could
just
interject
so
yeah,
I
would
definitely
recommend
sort
at
the
end
of
your
meeting
to
talk
about
how
to
focus
your
work
plan
for
the
rest
of
the
year
or
for
the
next
year,
but
I
would
also
you
know
I
the
purpose
of
a
retreat
in
my
mind
and
of
course
it's
up
to
you
guys,
is
sort
of
to
reflect
on
the
previous
year.
You
know
what
went
well,
what
didn't
go
so
well.
What
is
it
that
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
board?
B
What's
our
role?
How
are
we
functioning
as
a
board?
You
know:
are
there
interpersonal
relationships
that
you
know
need
to
be
nurtured,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
stay
away
from
discussing
actual
topics
like
the
unhouse,
because,
if
you
recall
last
year's
retreat,
you
guys
spent
the
entire
time
talking
about
the
unhoused.
B
Of
course
it's
entirely
up
to
you,
but
that's
that's
my
recommendation
and
just
a
a
quick
update.
So
I
am
working
on
getting
you
an
outside
facilitator
through
our
community
mediation
program
use
similar
situation
that
we
had
last
year,
just
so
that
michael
doesn't
have
to
facilitate
the
conversation.
B
So
I'll,
let
you
know
when
that
happens,
and
also
I'm
gonna
be
out
of
the
country.
So
you
guys
are
on
your
own
again,
but
you'll
survive.
A
Well,
I
take
jay's
suggestion
only
a
chance
to
get
to
know
everybody.
It
would
be
helpful,
but
we
have
very
others.
F
Yeah
yeah,
no,
I
I
just
jay,
took
the
words
right
out
of
my
mouth.
I
I
think
for
the
retreat.
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
bigger
picture,
broader
discussion
about
what
we're
doing
and,
if
we're
effective,
I
would
like
to
focus
on
how
we
can
be
more
effective
or
how
can
be
effective
at
all.
Really
we
we
talk
amongst
ourselves.
We
hear
these
great
presentations.
F
We
have
some
listening
sessions,
some
are
better
than
others,
but
how
can
we
affect
change?
How
can
we
implement
or
help
cause
some
of
our
ideas
to
be
implemented?
How
can
we
see
the
results
in
real
life
in
boulder
of
the
things
that
we
do
and
talk
about
and
our
desires
I'd
like
to
focus
on
that
on
the
retreat,
or
have
that
be
one
of
the
agenda
items
mechanical?
How
do
we
do
it?
Is
it
just
our
one
letter
to
the
council?
F
F
J
E
E
We
also
kind
of
you
know
we
took
time
to
get
to
know
kind
of
our
positions
in
as
far
as
how
we
perceive
the
board,
and
I
think
that
ties
into
you
know
what
our
role
is,
what
our
scope
is-
and
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
revisit
that
a
little
bit
with
new
board
members
and
kind
of
get
a
little
bit
of
reintroduction
to
each
other
as
a
board.
I
think
that'd
be
great.
E
I
think
that
the
the
piece
that
terry
mentioned
is
critical
for
us
also
and
trying
to
put
structures
and
systems,
as
he
said,
the
mechanics
in
place
for
how
we
will
actually
effectuate
change,
and
I
think
that
comes
out
of
the
first
part
of
that
discussion,
also
about
kind
of
how
individual
members
see
our
role
and
scope
and
how
we
can
work
together
with
potentially
differing
visions
of
that
and
then
I
would
also
like
to
see,
I
think,
follow
on
to
that
some
discussion
of
what
areas
we
might
be
stepping
into.
E
As
juliet
said,
you
know,
we'll
have
the
council
work
planned,
we
kind
of
know
that
those
things
are
going
to
be
on
there,
but
beyond
those
things,
are
there
specific
areas
that
that
we
want
to
put
some
work,
so
I
kind
of
feel
like
this.
Retreat,
ideally
would
hit
on
all
three
of
those
pieces
from
my
perspective,
so
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I
am
with
it.
E
A
Great,
so
to
summarize,
jacques,
every
formerly
got
a
chance
to
sort
of
say
where
they're
coming
from
on
housing
issues.
A
E
A
Okay-
and
I
would
like
to
add
that
I
was
interested
in
joining
this
board
to
help
it
become
as
effective
as
possible,
so
I
hardly
endorse
that
idea
anything
to
the
agenda.
That's
obviously
those
are
topics
that
can
take
a
lot
of
time,
and
I,
like
the
idea
of
focusing
on
the
big
picture.
A
Look
forward
to
this
discussion
will
that
be
three
hours.
B
So
that's
up
to
the
bridge,
you
could
change
the
when
it
happens.
The
easiest
is
just
the
the
current
time
slot.
Of
course,.
B
But
it's
a
better
one.
You
think
you'll
need.
A
B
Sorry,
sorry,
michael,
so
what
I'm
going
to
propose
to
the
facilitator
is
a
45-minute
planning
session
for
the
retreat
just
to
put
the
agenda
together
with
michael
and
maybe
danny
and
anyone
else
who
sort
of
would
like.
If
anyone
else
would
like
to
volunteer
that's
what
I
would
propose
and
I'll
I'll
take
lead
in
scheduling
that.
A
Thank
you
come
on
come
all
debri
from
housing
and
security
listening
session.
I
think
we're
all
there
is
this.
F
Yeah
I'll
start
off,
I
I
think
we
maybe
saw
that
it's
really
much
more
challenging
to
do
one
of
these
via
zoom.
I
thought
it
was
just
hard
to
get
a
lot
of
people
there
to
get
get
thoughtful
and
and
good
input
appreciative
of
the
people
that
did
show
up.
I
don't
know
that
it
was
really
on
point
very
much,
but
I
think
it
was
just
hard
to
do
it
via
zoom,
I'm
going
to
chalk
it
up
to
that.
J
I
agree
with
you,
terry,
and
I
I
also
feel
like
one
of
the
one
when
we
discussed
having
this
listening
session
early
on
and
the
situation
was
with.
Covid
was
even
braver
than
it
is
today
or
even
a
month
ago.
J
One
of
our
goals
was
to
try
to
connect
people
with
resources
who
were
housing
insecure
and
to
make
that
information
provide
another
vehicle
for
making
that
information
available
to
folks,
and
I
think
that
the
zoom
format
was
not
great
for
making
making
that
happen.
I
don't
know
that
we
serve
that
purpose
in
that
goal
and
to
trying
to
con
trying
to
connect
people
with
resources.
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
want
to
help
people.
J
B
J
A
B
Yeah-
and
I
mean
my
other
observation
too,
is
as
julie
was
saying,
you
know,
the
motivation
was
earlier
in
the
pandemic.
There's
a
lot
of
concern
about
this
eviction
cliff
that
we
were
approaching
and
we
we
never
got
there.
I
mean
the
the
federal
and
the
state
supports,
kept
coming
and
we're
still
not
there
so
and
we
kept
postponing
it.
You
know
we
wanted
more
time
to
plan
it,
so
it
was
supposed
to
happen
in
the
fall
and
then
it
was
supposed
to
happen
in
january
and
then
february
and
then
march.
So.
F
I
hey
also
think
that
the
lesson-
maybe
we
can
learn
from
this
and
again
I'm
going
to
chalk
it
up
to
zoom
and
everything
that's
going
on
in
the
craziness,
but
the
topics
that
we
pick.
You
know
the
two
others
that
we
had
in
person
about
the
affordable
housing
developers
coming
in.
You
know,
there's
a
group
of
people
that
you
can
reach
out
to
directly
and
they
can
come
in
and
talk
in
depth
about
it
and
then
the
homes.
What
was
it?
The
mobile
homes,
the
adus
on
wheels
or
the
adus?
F
A
B
Sorry
so,
michael,
are
you
suggesting
not
doing
listening
sessions
in
the
future
or
being
more
selective
about
the
topics
or
just
or
or
redoing
the
listening
session
for
housing
insecurity?
So
you
broke
up
a
little.
A
I
I
think
it
goes
to
that
very
question
of
how
more
effective
I
wasn't
advocating
doing
it
or
not
doing
it.
I'm
saying
it's
something
we
could
discuss.
Perhaps
at
least
mentioned
it's
retreating
discussion
at
greater
depths
at
a
later
date.
Like
do
we
want
to
try
this
again
and
how
we
do
it
differently?
A
J
May
I
suggest,
then,
that
that
may
I
suggest
that
as
an
agenda
item
in
in
along
the
lines
of
reflecting
back
on
our
effectiveness
over
the
last
year,
we
look
at
listening
sessions
and
maybe
think
about
developing
some
criteria
for
what
what
do,
what
should
a
listening
session
accomplish
and
and
who
should
participate
in
it,
so
that
we
we
can
look
at
any
given
topic
and
check
it
check,
do
a
checklist
and
say:
yes,
it
meets
all
of
the
criteria
that
we
have
established
as
a
board
and
it
it
hits
the
litmus
test
and
we
can
yes,
let's
do
this
one
or
no.
A
Great
comment,
doc.
E
There
we
go,
I
was
just
gonna,
say
yeah
juliet,
and
I
think
we
we've
had
some
of
that
discussion
in
the
past,
and
I
do
agree
that
I
think
we
need
to
strengthen
that
those
criteria
format.
As
far
as
what
we're
trying
to
do,
I
think
it
goes
to
terry's
comment
a
little
bit,
maybe
about
the
breadth
and
scope
of
of
what
happens
in
a
listening
session
to
try
to
keep
it
that
scope
narrow
enough
so
that
we
can
be
effective.
A
I
believe
we
are
tabling
item
c
that
position
on
recent
actions
by
council
related
to
the
in-house.
Maybe
disagreement
on
that,
if
not
we'll
move
on
to
the
committee
and
project
liaison
supports
reports.
E
My
really
quick
update
is
I'm
not
where
I'd
hoped
to
be
yet
so
still
working
on
the
the
mobile
adu
concept
and
how
it
will
fit
into
the
city.
A
F
B
You're
talking
about
edu's
right,
yep
yeah.
So
that's
that's
on
my
work
plan,
but
it's
been.
B
F
So
so,
with
that,
what
what
do
you
suggest,
because
to
me
we're
kind
of
waiting
on
that
information
or
that
report
to
I
don't
know,
contribute
comment:
do
something
with
that
information?
Is.
B
I
think
absolutely
I
think
jacques
has
been.
I
think.
Jack
has
a
plan
for
you,
terry.
He
knows
exactly
what
he
has
in
mind
and
they'll
be
complementary.
Don't
don't
think
that
you
have
to
wait
for
the
adu
update,
I
mean
we
definitely
want
you
to
weigh
in
on
that,
and
I
think
you'll
benefit
from
the
information
that
we
gather
in
terms
of
the
evaluation.
B
B
So
I'm
just
going
to
share
the
work
plan
that
we
send
out
with
the
agenda
every
time
as
you
whoops
did.
I
yeah
I'm
still
sharing
it.
You
guys
can
see
that.
A
B
Thank
you
so
notes
so
june
is
the
retreat.
Those
are
the
major
agenda
items
I
heard
july
is
going
to
be
the
alpine
balsam
form-based
code.
So
that's
one
of
the
projects.
That's
taking
up
my
time
and
the
follow-on
rezonings
from
the
comp
plan
update
so
that'll,
be
in
july.
It's
going
to
planning
board
august
5th
and
we
have
a
date
for
council
which
is
september
21st
for
a
public
hearing.
B
Hopefully
you
guys
have
seen
that
publicized,
where
we
described,
went
through
a
lot
of
the
detail
of
the
what's
already
been
decided
with
the
area
plan
for
alpine
balsam
and
introduced
a
discussion
draft
of
the
foreign
base
code,
and
so
we
will
be
coming
to
you
for
recommendation
to
council
in
july
and
maybe
that's
a
good
time
to
focus
more
on
tiny
homes.
B
But
these
are
the
other
things
that
are
coming
up.
So
it's
something
for
you
guys
to
think
about.
Since
I
won't
be
at
the
retreat.
B
I
would
say
that
middle-income
housing
that
reviewing
that
strategy
might
be
a
good
topic
for
potentially
july
or
august,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
aware
of
it.
Planning
board
is
planning
to
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
talking
about
housing
in
particular,
middle-income
housing,
and
this
concept
of
the
missing
middle
they've
shown
a
significant
interest
in
that,
and
so
this
thursday
will
be
their
meeting.
B
I
will
be
presenting,
along
with
boulder
housing
partners,
if
you
guys
want
to
tune
into
that
and
then
at
their
june
meeting,
they'll
be
focusing
on
that
missing
middle
piece
and
we'll
spend
a
bunch
of
time
talking
about
different
strategies
that
the
city
has
been
adopting
and
and
get
their
feedback
sort
of.
What
what's?
What
are
some
potential
next
steps
to
address
the
need
for
middle
income
housing
in
boulder?
B
A
Yes,
I
was
not
able
to
tune
into
the
blackboard
last
week
and
I
believe
they
had
a
discussion
about
diagonal
plaza.
If
so,
could
you
summarize
that
jade.
B
I
I
did
not
participate
in
that
either.
I
think
yeah,
probably
the
best
bet
is
to
actually
watch
that
recording
I
did
hear
there
was.
You
know,
basic
support
from
planning
board
for
the
concept
to
move
forward,
but
I
think
there
was
some
confusion
as
to
sort
of
what
the
overall
sentiment
of
planning
board
was.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
the
politics
without
the
content.
B
No,
it's
just
that's
always
been
there
sort
of
meeting
debrief.
How
would
it
go?
What
can
we
do
better?
I
thought
you
did
an
excellent
job,
michael
for
your
first
meeting.
A
B
A
That
is,
I
appreciate
that
my
head
is
really
on
vacation
and
not
in
boulder.
At
the
moment,
I
I
do
intend
to
meet
all
of
you.
One-On-One
have
coffee.
I've
been
with
the
coven
starting
to
phase
out
I've
been
going
back
to
work
in
denver.
That's.
We
have
a
lot
of
time
that
I
used
to
have
for
drinking
coffee
and
having
beers
with
people,
but
I
think
I
think
we're
within
the
rules
to
meet
one-on-one
the
only
okay.
A
G
A
A
zoom
call
last
week,
but
trying
to
get
there
on
e2
before.
A
F
Michael
great
job
bud
really
good
work
appreciate
appreciate
you
doing
what
you're
doing.