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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
alright.,
so
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,,
meaningful,
and
inclusive
civic
conversations..
This
vision
supports
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members,
staff
and
board,
and
commission
members,
as
well
as
democracy.
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives.
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Abby
daniels:
and
as
within
person,
landmarks,
board
meetings,.
The
recording
of
this
meeting
will
be
available
in
the
records
archive
and
on
youtube
within
28
days
of
this
meeting,
and
we're
going
to
do
a
really
quick
roll
call
and
introductions,,
including
our
newest
landmarks
board
member,
who
will
be
sworn
in
in
just
a
few
moments..
I'm
abby
daniels,,
chair
of
the
landmarks
board.
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F
A
Abby
daniels:.
We
know
that
there
will
be
people
here
to
participate
to
night
that
may
have
strong
feelings
or
emotions
about
certain
projects..
We
do
want
to
hear
from
you,,
and
but
we
have
found
it
more
productive.
if
you
are
speaking
to
persuade
us,
rather
than
berating
us,
staff,
or
any
applicants.
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Abby
daniels:
you're,
officially
a
member,
and,
renee,,
we're
delighted
to
have
you
on
the
board..
I
know
my
colleagues
join
me
in
welcoming
you,
as
our
fifth
landmarks
board
member.,
and
you
know
it's
interesting
for
you,,
because
you
have
participated
in
board
meetings
and
ldrc.
as
an
applicant.
and
now
you're
on
the
other.
Side,
ii
will
refrain
from
saying
you've
come
over
to
the
dark
side,
because
I.
A
E
Renee
golobic:
about
myself.,
I'm
an
architect
in
boulder..
I've
lived
in
boulder
since.
A
Abby
daniels:
well,,
thank
you
for
doing
that.
and
you
know,
marcy,
may
have
shared
with
you
at
some
point..
Probably
this
fall.
we'll
have
a
board
retreat,
and
we'll
let
you
know
a
little
bit
more
about
each
of
us
when
when
we
hold
that
retreat.,
but
I'm
glad
to
hear
how
active
it
you
are,,
because
you
may
need
this
stamina,
occasionally
for
this
board.
so
again,.
A
very
warm
welcome
to
you,
renee.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
you
may
be
unmuted,
marcy.
sorry.
there
we
go.,
I
see
one
raised
hand.,
so
far.
reminder
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak..
You
could
push
star
9
if
you're
calling
in
or
use
the
raised
hand
function
under
the
reactions,
menu
and
patrick
oberbrook
is
currently
the
only
one
that
has
his
hand
up.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
the
landmarks
board
voted
to
hold
a
hearing
prior
to
the
stay
of
the
demolition
expiration
back
in
may,,
and
then
we
signed
a
tolling
agreement
with
the
applicants.
to
extend
that
time
period
as
they
work
to
gather
the
drawings..
And
it's
a
large
ownership
group.-
so.
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A
A
Abby
daniels:
item
6.
a
is
a
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
an
application
to
designate
the
building
and
property
at
6
0
4,
mapleton
avenue
as
a
local
historic
landmark.
Pursuant
to
section
9,
11,
5
of
the
boulder
revise
code,
1981,
and
under
the
procedures
prescribed
by
chapter
1,,
3,
quasi
judicial
hearings,,
boulder,
revised
code.
I
I
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
board
members
will
note
any
ex
parte
contacts.
I'll,
give
the
staff
presentation
today..
After
that,
the
board
may
ask
questions.,
the
applicants
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak,
and
the
board
may
ask
questions
to
them..
We'll
then
open
the
public
hearing
after
everyone
has
had
an
opportunity
to
speak,.
The
applicant
may
have
additional
time
to
respond..
We'll
then
ask
everyone
to
mute
their
computers,
and
the
board
will
deliberate.
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
This
is
just
in
response
to
a
public
comment.,
and
that
is
patrick's
question
about
you
know
the
state
of
the
civic
area,
update
and
other
aspects
of
that
which
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
er
patrick
and
others
know
that
I
believe
that
will
be
addressed
under
matters
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
and
marcy
plans
to
give
a
civic
update.,
and
I
think
that
there's
information
on
that.
in
fact.
in
the.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
staff
report
material.
that
talks
a
little
bit
about
timing,
and
I'm
sure
marsha
will
go
into
greater
detail.,
but
for
those
of
you
that
are
interested
in
that,
and
contemplating
whether
or
not
to
stick
around..
I
do
know
that
that
is
scheduled
to
happen
later.
On.
just
thought
that
I'd,
let
you
know
cause
I've
been
in
your
shoes
before,,
it's
thinking
should
I
hang
on
and
if
you
are
interested,,
hang
on,
we're
gonna
get
to
it.
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I
I
Clare,
brandt,,
cob::
the
options
to
day
are
for
the
landmarks
board
to
approve
the
application
and
recommend
designation
to
city
council.-
the
council
hearing
would
be
held
within
a
hundred
days,
or
the
board
may
disapprove
the
request,,
and
this
is
subject
to
a
45
day.
Call
up
period,
and
owners
would
need
to
file
a
notice
of
appeal
within
21
days
of
to
day.
I
Clare
brandt,
cob:
and
is
considered
to
contribute
to
the
district..
As
the
house
is
already
designated.,
the
owners
decided
to
pursue
individual
landmark
status
as
they
felt
the
house
was
worthy
of
this
honor,
as
you
know,.
It
also
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
delve
deeply
into
the
history
of
the
house,
and
if
approved,
the
house
will,
or
the
owners
will,
receive
a
plaque
identifying
the
house
and
its
importance.
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I
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I
I
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
the
automobile
was
still
gaining
popularity.,
there's
no
carriage
house
on
the
property,,
just
the
attached
garage
for
the
car,,
so
the
eastmans
must
have
been
confident
that
the
car
was
the
transportation
method
at
the
time
and
the
future..
So
the
architecture
of
the
house
spans
the
eras
of
the
carriage
and
the
automobile.
I
I
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:,
so
staff's
recommendation
is
that
the
landmarks
board
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
it
designate
the
property
at
6,
0
4
mapleton
avenue
as
a
local
historic
landmark
to
be
known
as
the
eastman
reed
collins,
house..
Finding
that
it
meets
the
standards
for
individual
landmark
designation
in
sections
9,
11,
one
and
9,
11,
2
of
the
boulder
revised
code,
1981.
I
I
I
J
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
yeah,,
we
have.
judithreid:,
I'm
here.
great,
thank
you.
first
of
all,.
I
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
to
the
staff.
claire,
for
the
excellent
research
that
you
did.
we've.
We
learned
so
many
things
about
the
house
that
we
didn't
know..
It
was
not
only
e
edifying,
but
amusing.
number
2.,
one
thing
that
that
the
staff
missed
because
it's
it's
buried..
You
can't
see
it..
What's
next
to
the
garage
where
now
the
garbage
cans
are
underneath?,
that
is
a
gas
tank.
J
J
Judithreid:
and
judithreid:
it.,
as
as
for
the
previous
owners
of
the
house,,
there
are
several
music
stories,,
but
one
that
I
heard
from
from
neighbors,,
which
may
or
may
not
be
true,
is
about
zangara's
ye
in
the
listing..
It
mentions
that
the
that
they
have
some
debts.
well,.
The
story
is
that
they
fled
their
creditors
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
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D
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
you
know,
staff
presentation,,
but
also
the
love
for
this
house
that
is
demonstrated
through
its
care..
I
believe,
has
been
one
of
the
things
that
the
property
exudes.
it's
so
well
maintained.
and
I
believe
that
it
is,
in
fact,
the
ownership
and
maintenance
of
this.
That
really
makes
it
just.
D
E
Renee
golobic:
well,,
I
can't
say
anything
more
than
they've
already
said,,
and
this
is
pretty
easy
on
my
first
board.
so
ii,
just
wanna
thank
the
owners.
That,
like,,
you
know,.
When
I'm
on
the
other
side
of
it.,
and
I
talked
to
clients,
and
they're
like,.
Why
would
you
ever
do
this??
And
so
I
just
wanna.
E
E
Renee
golobic:
giving
such
history
to
this
building
that
you
know
every
owner
and
all
that
good
stuff..
So
it's
just
really
interesting
to
see
all
these
different
houses
on
mapleton
hill.,
but
I
just
wanna
tell
the
owners
that,
thanks
for
wanting
to
make
it
a
landmark
structure.,
so
it
stays
and
gets
preserved.
This
way.
A
Abby
daniels:
thank
you,,
renee.
and
I,.
Too,
wanna
applaud
the
owners
for
bringing
this
this
forward.
While
it
does
enjoy
protection
as
being,
you
know,
such
a
stately
house
on
such
a
prominent
corner,
and
one
of
our
most
cherished
historic
districts
in
boulder.,
the
mapleton
hill,
historic
district,.
I
think,
by
bringing
it
forward
as
an
individual
landmark.
only
just
sort
of.
A
Abby
daniels:
gives
it
more
honor.
it
it.
It
signifies,,
I
think,
not
only
the
current
owners
and
very
long
time
owners
of
it,
how
they
feel
about
it,,
but
I
do
think
that
it's
a
gift
not
only
to
this
neighborhood,
but
to
the
whole
community.
and
ii,
can't
think
of
another
house
off
the
top
of
my
head
in
this
neighborhood.
That
is
more
worthy
or
more
deserving.
and
and
even
though.
A
Abby
daniels:,
we
heard
some
more
information
about
it
after
claire's
presentation,.
I
just
think
that
to
have
that
even
captured,
and
have
this.
this
as
an
individual
landmark,
added
to
to
the
growing
list
of
landmarks
in
boulder
is
just
a
delight,
tonight.
and
and,
renee,.
I'm
so
pleased
that
your
very
first
vote
tonight
will
be
on,.
You
know,
an
individual
to
recommend
to
city
council
to.
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F
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A
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J
J
C
John
decker:,
the
landmarks
board
recommends
to
the
city
council
that
it
designate
the
property
at
604
mapleton
avenue
as
a
local
historic
landmark
to
be
known
as
the
eastman
reed
collins
house..
Finding
that
it
meets
the
standards
for
individual
landmark
designation
in
sections
9,
11,
dash
one
and
9,
11,
2.
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E
A
I
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
if
city
council
agrees
that
the
building
should
be
designated
as
an
individual
landmark,,
they
will
create
an
ordinance
with
the
designation,.
And
then
we
will
provide
a
bronze
plaque
to
add
to
the
building
and
invite
the
owners
to
next
year's
square
nails.
award
ceremony
to
celebrate.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
so
we'll
proceed
to
agenda.
item
6
b.
which
is
a
public
hearing
and
consideration
of
the
landmark.
alteration,
certificate,
application
to
replace
metal
roof
with
asphalt,
shingle.
at
9,
10,
spruce,
street,
in
the
mapleton
hill,
historic
district.
Pursuant
to
section
9,
1118
of
the
boulder
revised
code
1981,
and
under
the
procedures
prescribed
by
chapter
one,,
dash.
I
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
thank
you,,
abby.
I'll
just
go
through
the
quasi
judicial
hearing
procedures.
Again..
All
speaking
to
the
item
will
be
sworn
in,
and
board.
Members
will
note
any
ex
parte
contacts.
I'll
give
the
staff
presentation..
After
that,
the
board
may
ask
questions..
The
applicant
will
have
10
min
to
present
to
the
board,,
and
the
board
may
ask
questions
of
them,
will
then
open
the
public
hearing.
after
all,
members
of
the
public
have
made
comments.
I
Clare,
brandt,
cob:,
the
applicant
may
respond
to
anything
that
was
said..
Will
then
ask
everyone
to
mute
their
computers,
and
the
board
will
deliberate..
A
motion
requires
an
affirmative
vote
of
at
least
3
members
to
pass,
and
motions
will
state
findings,,
conclusions,
and
a
recommendation..
A
record
of
this
hearing
will
be
available
in
a
couple
of
days
as
a
video
recording,,
and
the
official
record
will
be
added
to
the
records
archive
within.
I
I
C
I
I
Clare,
brandt,
cob:
does
not
adversely
affect
the
historic
architectural
value
of
the
property..
The
architecture,
arrangement,
texture,
color,
arrangement
of
color
and
materials
are
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
property,
and
that
the
landmarks,
landmarks,
board
has
considered
the
economic
feasibility
of
alternatives,
incorporation
of
energy,,
efficient,
design,
and
enhanced
access
for
the
disabled.
I
I
I
I
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
The
application
process
so
far
has
been
that
on
june
20,
eighth,
the
ldrc.
reviewed
an
application
to
remove
the
existing
standing
seam
metal
roof
and
replace
the
roof
material
with
asphalt
shingle..
The
application
was
referred
to
the
full
landmarks
board
for
a
review
in
a
public
hearing,
and
we're
here.
Today.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Clare,
brandt,
cob:.
In
some
circumstances
the
roofing
material
is
an
important
car.,
architectural
feature,,
which
should
be
preserved.
for
example,
shingle
roofs
should
remain
shingled,
tile,
roofs
should
remain
tiled,,
etc.
the
general
design
guidelines
additionally
say
that
the
roof
is
one
of
the
primary
character,
defining
features
of
a
historic
building.
I
Clare,
brandt,,
cob:
and
the
repetition
of
similar
roof
types
creates
part
of
the
visual
consistency
that
defines
a
historic
area..
In
addition,
we
looked
at
the
secretary
of
of
the
interiors,
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties,
which
reiterate
that
repair
is
the
preferred
treatment,
and
if
repair
is
not
feasible,
replace
in
kind.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Clare
brandt,
cob:,
and
that
the
proposed
work
would
adversely
affect
the
special
character
or
special
historic,
architectural
and
value
of
the
landmark
property,,
as
it
is
generally
inconsistent
with
the
mapleton
hill
design
guidelines,
and
will
not
comply
with
sections
2.6
of
the
general
design.
guidelines..
In
section
9,
1118
b.
3
of
the
boulder
revised
code,
1981.
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E
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I
E
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I
I
I
I
Renee
golobic:
okay,,
it
didn't
explain,
that.
well,.
So
if
you
still
have
questions
ask,
and
I'll
have.
no,,
I
think
I
think
I
was
just
concerned
that
we
say,
oh,.
You
can
replace
it
with
the
metal
roof,
and
then
it's
you
know,.
I
don't
want
them
to
replace
it
with
corrugated
metal
per
se..
So
that's
why
that
was
my
question.,
so
we're
just
saying,
yeah,,
a
no,
or
yes.
so
to
an
asshole
shingle
roof.
I
A
A
K
A
K
K
K
K
K
L
K
D
Guy
stevenson:
go
ahead.,
ronnie,
pelusio,
lmb:
yeah,
and
the
the
additional
photos
are
very
helpful.
ii.
Don't
know
how
many
you
provided.,
but
if
I
would
love
to
flip
through
those,,
if
we
can
just
kind
of
click
through
them,
if
there
are
more,
and
we
think
there's
value
and
you're
feel
free
to
do
that.
While
I
ask
my
question.
so,
guy,,
I
was
wondering
if
you
could.
D
K
D
K
L
L
A
B
C
L
Marc
shull:,
no.
and
honestly,
I
had
difficulties
getting
home
covers
because
most
of
the
major
carriers
will
not
cover
a
house,
this
old
so,
to
be
honest,.
I've
not
shopped
it
around,
because
it
it's
limited
off
with
a
limited
set
of
potential
insures,
with
a
replacement
of
the
roof.
that
very
well,
may
be
a
good
idea,,
but
up
till
now,
given
the
age
of
the
roof.,
I.
L
A
E
L
L
L
Marc
shull:,
you
know,
I'd,
rather
save
the
money
for,
on
other
repairs
to
the
home
than
replace
the
roof
with
a
material
that,
quite
frankly,
have
had
several
contractors
come
out
and
look
at
it,
and
say
that
they
no
longer
do
this,
or
they
had
to
call
retired
employees
to
figure
out
how
to
do
certain
things..
So
just
the
feasibility
of
getting
it
replaced
with
metal
is
been
challenging
and
given
the.
L
A
A
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
great.,
so
there
are.,
marcy,
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
2
members
of
the
public,
who
are
not
the
applicants..
Now
is
your
opportunity..
If
you
would
like
to
speak
to
this
application,
to
go
ahead
and
use
that,
raise
hand
function
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
There.
A
A
E
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
yes,
and
if
you'll
give
me
a
minute,
lucas,,
you
might
also
chime
in
on
this
one..
I
need
to
check
whether
the
consideration
of
the
economic
feasibility
and
things
like
energy
efficiency
are
in
the
landmark,
alteration,
certificate
standards.
or,
if
that's
specific,
to
demolition
review,,
because
there
is
a
section
in
the
in
the
code
that
talks
about.
G
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:-
I
think
that
was
mentioned
earlier
in
one
of
the
slides.
marcy
so,,
but
it
would
be
worth
double
checking
as
well,.
If
that's
what
you're
doing.
but
yeah,
economic
feasibility
was
one
of
the
items
to
be
considered..
Yeah,
thank
you.
it..
It
is
one
of
the
criteria
in
the
standards
for
an
elec..
It
reads
in
determining
whether
to
approve
the
lec..
The
board
shall
consider
that
economic
feasibility
of
alternatives,,
incorporation
of
energy,,
efficient
design
and
enhanced
access
for
the
disabled.
G
E
E
I
I
A
Renee
golobic:
those
are
all.
abby
daniels:.
Thank
you!
So
much.
and,
renee,
excellent
questions,,
you
know.
and,
marcy,
you,.
You
really
reminded
me
that,
usually,
when
we
discuss
the
financial
viability
of
projects.,
it's
usually
when
it's
a
demo
review
or
request
for
a
demolition
permit..
So
thank
you.
cause.
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D
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:-
I
am
more
than
enough
for
talking
about
the
financial
hardship
piece,
and
how
that
might
weigh
into
an
ultimate
determination
from
the
board..
But
I
did
think
that
maybe,
starting
with
my
brief
description,
there,
would
just
let
the
fellow
board
members
know
where
my
mind
is
at
in
terms
of.
D
E
Renee
golobic:,
are
we
allowed
to
just
renee
golobic:
openly
talk
renee
golobic:,
you
are..
This
is
the
time.
so,
ronnie,
ii
agree
with
you.,
and
when
I
looked
at
the
staff
presentation
yesterday,
when
I
was
going
through
everything
I
originally
was
like.
oh,
it
was
shingle
roof..
So
I
was
like,
oh,,
we'll
bring
it
back
to
its
original
state.,
but
bringing
it
back
into
it..
E
Renee
golobic:
first.,
the
material
of
it
being
a
wooden
shake
roof,
is
not
feasible,
anymore.
so
and
then,.
Having
such
a
historical
significance
with
the
change
from
80,
you
know,
1891
to
1929
is
when
we
consider
it
to
be
historic.,
so
I
would
have
thought
originally,
oh,
yeah,.
We
bring
it
back
to
its
original
state,,
but.
E
E
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
that
you
just
described
about,
you
know,
the
shake.
and
what
have
you
and
I
could
see?
an
alternative.
That's
like,!
You
know.!
Let's
just
pretend
the
metal
wasn't
there?,
but
they
can't
do
the
shake..
That's
the
wood
shake
somebody
proposing
a
replacement.
That
is
a
material
that
is
closer
to
the
character
of
the
wood
shake,
and
that
being
approvable.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
and
I'm
just
gonna
point
out
a
couple
of
things
that
are
crazy..
I
am
grateful
that
we're
not
confronted
with
an
applicant,,
although
this
is
nuts
that
would
be
saying,
hey,.
I
wanna
restore
the
building
back
to
the
1882
version,
change,
the
pitch,,
pull
the
porch
off
and
put
a
shake
style
material
back
on
the
roof.
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
you
know,,
because
an
an
alternative
would
have
been.
You
know
what
the
roof
pitch,
never
changed,,
but
they
changed
to
the
material,
and
that
material
still
fell
within
the
period
of
significance.
and
then
we'd
be
confronted
with
another
route
of
analysis,
which
I
don't
even
wanna.
Think
about.
staff
would
share
their
determination
on
that,
and
it
would
be
even
more
nuanced.
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C
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C
C
C
C
C
A
C
C
C
C
C
C
E
E
E
E
A
E
E
C
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
thank
you
guys
already
for
this
robust
conversation..
I
will
be
supporting
staff's
recommendation,
because
the
guidelines,
you
know,
just
to
adhere
to
the
guidelines.
and
you
know,.
We
also,
over
the
years.
you
know,,
our
quest,
has
always
been
to
be
predictable
and
consistent,,
and
I
think
our
decision
to.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
the
town,,
and
I
also
think
that
you
know,
ii
appreciate
the
financial
considerations.,
I'm
really
struck..
How
long
we
think
this
metal,
roof,,
even
in
its
disrepair
now,,
may
have
been
on
this
building..
I
think
claire
made
a
persuasive
point
that
yes,
right
now
it
would
cost
more
to
replace
it,,
but
its
longevity
is
far
greater
than
replacing
it
with
with
asphalt
shingles.
D
D
A
A
Marc
shull:
please,
mark,.
Thank
you
very
much
it..
It
sounds
like
it's
not
going
the
way
the
shingle.,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to,
beligger,
the
point.
however,.
I
do,,
as
I
express
earlier,,
have
concerns
about
the
leaking,,
and
so
I
would
appreciate
some
direction
as
to
whether
or
not
you
would
approve
metal
roof
replacement?.
I
know
that
was
not
the
the
point
of
the
call,,
but
ii:
don't
wanna
go
through
winter
with
the
roof
leaking,,
if,
if
at
all,
possible.
so.
L
C
C
A
Abby
daniels:
and
I
do
wanna
make
sure,
kurt,
if
you
do
want
to
comment
on
this,
you're
welcome,
to.,
but,
marcy,.
If,
because
that's
not
what's
in
front
of
us
tonight,
ii
need
your
capable
leadership
and
guidance
on
this.,
my
understanding
would
be,.
They
would
have
an
opportunity
to
withdraw,
and
could
submit
that
request
to
an
ldrc.
meeting.
A
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
the
a
separate
application
and
lac
to
replace
the
roof
in
kind
can
actually
be
reviewed
at
the
staff
level.,
because
that
is
consistent
with
the
the
design
guidelines..
So
whether
the
outcome
of
this
hearing
is
that
the
application
is
withdrawn,
or
that
there's
a
vote
to
deny
it.
the
owner
would
still
have
an
opportunity
to.
B
G
Lucas
markley
boulder:,
I
would
agree
with
that,
marcy.
that
it
would
be
substantially
different,,
especially
because
that's
a
factor
that
we're
looking
at
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
is
appropriate
or
not..
So
the
different
kind
of
roof,
I
think,
would
be
considered
substantially
different
enough
to
not
trigger
that.
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
oh,
thank
you..
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
board
for
their.
I
think,
very
perceptive
analysis
of
this.
I
think,
as
ronnie
pointed
out,.
It
really
does
come
down
to
a
question
of
originality,
and
I
thought
your
your
thoughts
on
that.,
we're
we're
very
insightful,
and
and
renee
is
also.
F
F
F
D
D
D
D
G
B
B
Lucas
markley
boulder:
right?.
So
if
the
owner
replicant
wanted
to
kind
of
see
through
the
entire
process
and
take
it
as
far
as
they
could.,
they
would
go
that
route
and
not
withdraw.
and
but,
on
the
other
hand,.
If
they
feel
that
they
see,
you
know,
sufficient
amount
of
information
that
they
think
that.
G
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
so
you
know,.
If
I
were
the
applicant,,
I
would
be
wondering
and
made..
They're
gonna
have
an
answer
here
in
a
second..
But
how
long
is
the
process.?
The
call
up
process
and
you
know,,
maybe
they're,
looking
to,
and
it
sounds
like
expedition,
at
least
expeditiously,
replace
the
roof.
A
B
A
L
Marc
shull:,
that
being
said,,
I
know
somebody
mentioned
a
9
pm.
bedtime,,
and
what
have
you
so?
I
would
love
to
save
you
all,
and
quite
frankly,
myself,
the
hassle
of
going
through
city.
Council.-
so
marcy
unless
there's
some
unusual
process
with
the
withdrawal,
and
then
submission
for
the
lac
through
the
process
you
mentioned
earlier.,
let
let
me
know.
otherwise
I'll
just
guy,
and
I
will
go
through
that.
Process.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
thank
you,
and
and
it'll
be
straightforward..
Your
comments
on
the
record
are
enough
to
withdraw
the
application,
and
then,
you'll
submit
a
new
lac
application
with
details
about
this
new
standing.,
see
metal
roof.
for
staff
review.
by
email.,
and
we
can
send
the
instructions
of
how
to
do
that..
It's
the
same
process
as
before.
G
G
A
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
you
know,
you.
your
intention,
as
you've
described
it,,
is
to
make
sure
that
there
isn't
continued
damage
to
the
home.
and
so,.
Thanks
for
hearing
this
all
out
tonight.
and
you
know,
ii,
appreciate
you
guys
bringing
this
to
us..
I
think
it
illuminated
some
things
for
us
as
well.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
lastly,.
I
imagine
that
you're
gonna
have
potentially
an
application
come
through
to
staff
about
another
roof.
and
you
know,.
I
think
that
staff
is.
you
know,
you're
gonna,
find
that
you
know
this
guy,
but
the
the
great
to
work
with,,
and
I
think
they
will
give
you
some
clarifying
guidance
about
the
qualities
of
the
roof.
That
would
make
it
alike
for
life.
that
isn't
just
about
metal.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
and
so
I
think,
being
prepared
for
that,
and
maybe
through
a
conversation
with
them,,
will
be
helpful
for
you.
and
just
them
sharing
that
with
you,,
because
you're
gonna
find,,
as
you
know,
that
there's
a
next
thing
that
needs
to
happen,
here,,
which
is
like,
okay,
materiality,
is
one
thing..
But
what
about?
as
john
was
saying,
some
of
the
dimensional
aspects
that
are
present
today.
D
A
H
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
that
is
specific
to
boarding
commission
members..
I
don't
remember
when
the
reminder
is
or
when
the
deadline
is,,
but
I
think
it's
soon..
So
if
you
haven't
already.,
please
take
time
to
fill
that
out..
There's
also
a
staff
workshop
and
a
survey
for
us
to
provide
our
feedback.,
but
but
I
think.
it's
worthwhile,
and
related
to
a
topic
later
on
our
matters.
agenda
about
the
commitment,.
The
volunteer
commitment
that
you
all
make.
B
A
Abby
daniels:
no,,
I
just
have
a
quick
comment..
They
are.
reached
out
to
me,
and
I
did
an
interview
with
them,
and
I
was
real
impressed
with
their
questions
and
how
they're
approaching
it
all.
and
it,
you
know,.
If
you
haven't
done
this
survey,
ii,
think
it's
very
valuable
to
do,
cause.
I
think
the
more
information
they
have,,
the
more
they
can
share
back
with
the
city.
B
B
E
B
E
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
I
mean,,
I
could
give
a
survey
more
about
the
applicant
side,
and
that
might
be
helpful.
but
yeah,.
Why
don't
we
follow
up?,
we'll
forward
it
to
you.
and
the
deadline
may
have
been
today..
I
I'm
a
little
fuzzy
on
the
dates,,
but
we'll
follow
up..
So
you
have
an
opportunity.
B
Abby
daniels:,
one
of
the
things
that
came
to
me
is
in
talking
to
them,
and
they
had
great
questions,
and
then
they
would
also
ask
questions
based
on
my
responses..
Was
this
one
thing
where
the
thought,,
with
through
my
head
for
the
first
time
ever
our
boards
more
work
for
staff
than
what
we
contribute
back
to
it.?
But
then
I
realized,
you
guys,.
A
lot
of
boards
surface
on
boards
is.
A
Abby
daniels:,
sometimes
it's
a
launching
board
for
people
who
might
then
end
up
running
for
city
council,
or
you
know,,
their
own
personal
growth
and
personal
development.
and
ii
still
think
that
for
for
what
all
staff
has
to
deal
with
with
all
of
us,
and
and,,
you
know,
changes
with
board
members
and
everything..
I
still
think
it
probably
is
valuable
to
have
boards.
A
Abby
daniels:
serve
in
the
capacities..
They
do
an
advise
the
city
because
you
sort
of
get
a
brain
trust
over
time
to
do
that..
The
other
thing
would
that
was
fascinating,,
and
I
can't
remember
what
the
question
was
or
my
responses..
They
had
spoken
to
some
board
members
that
had
actually
said
they
were.
A
Abby
daniels:
felt.
they
had
this
imposter
syndrome,,
you
know,,
and
it
was
interesting
to
consider
that
because
I
said,
you
know,
I've
attended
landmarks,
board
members
since
2,006,
and
I'm
still
learning
things
all
the
time..
So
I
mean,,
I
don't
think,
there's
ever
an
expectation..
You
walk
in
knowing
everything,
and,
and
it
takes
time
to
get
up
to
speed..
Although
renee.
A
Abby
daniels:
as
a
new
board
member,.
I
am
just
so
impressed
and
so
thrilled
with
your
contributions,
tonight,
and
how
beautifully
you
have
already
just
sort
of
jumped
in
and
become,
you
know,
great
question
things
that
I
wouldn't
have
thought
of.
and,
and
you
know.
so
it's
interesting
because
I
don't
think
it
happens.
Overnight,
you
know..
I
think
it's
during
the
the,
you
know.
A
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
wonderful.,
marcy,
gerwing,,
principal
planner:
okay.,
so
the
idea
of
a
retreat.,
usually
we
do
an
annual
retreat..
It's
a
chance
to
kind
of
step.
Back.
talk
about
bigger
picture
policy.
issues
a
little
bit
of
getting
to
know
each
other,
a
good
refresher
for
the
legal
parts
of
this
role.
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
might
work.
and
then
thinking
about
mid
october,,
so
kind
of
testing
the
waters
for
interest
and
availability..
And
we
were
also,
thinking
that
we
could
host
it
in
the
municipal
building
in
one
of
the
conference.
Rooms,
and
then
use
that
as
an
opportunity
to
go
back
into
council
chambers..
Because
we
are
working
towards
going
back
in
person..
B
B
E
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
do
that.,
ronnie,
pelusio,
lmb:,
and
so
one
thing
is,
mid
october
might
be
a
little
challenging
for
me..
Beginning
of
october,
is
good..
End
of
october
is
good,,
but
I
know
we're
gonna
send
a
poll
out..
I
am
up
for
doing
the
lunch
thing,
taking
the
2
h,
and
I
like
the
proposal..
I
would
also
do
any
other
version
of
that.
If
it
ends
up
being
an
end
of
day
thing.
and
then,,
you
know,,
if
there's
a
food
piece,,
we
do
it
after
that.,
but
I
am
up
for
any
of
this.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
wonderful.,
so
it
sounds
like
beginning
of
october
or
end
of
october,
would
work
for
you,
ronnie,
and
is
there
a
day
of
the
week
that
is
better
for
people
or
worse
for
people,,
and
we
will
send
out
a
doodle..
We
don't
have
to
do
this
all
into
zoom.,
but
general
parameters,.
If
you
have.
A
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
put
a
poll
together
and
and
get
something
on
everyone's
calendar
for
october.
and
then
a
heads
up
that
we
will
also
be
sending
out
a
poll
for
a
joint
study
session
with
the
parks
and
rec
advisory
board
for
the
civic
area,.
And
that's
likely
going
to
be
at
the
very
end
of
october
or
the.
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
an
abundance
of
ideas,
of
retreat,
topics,,
and
so
we
can
take
notes
and
listen
to
like
a
popcorn
of
ideas.
Now,
or
we'd.
Invite
you
to
send
ideas
to
us
over
email.
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
be
pretty
strategic
about
narrowing
it
down,
so
that
we
can
have
a
good
conversation
and
hit
the
most.
B
B
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
ii,
just
wanted.
ii-
think
maybe
we
do
this
some
of
this
over
email.,
but
I
was
just
gonna,
also
propose.
If
possible.
we
have
thrown
out
ideas,
before,-
and
I
know
that
we
had
a
list
of
topics
that
are
projects
that
we
anticipated
working
on
this
year,
and
some
that
we
thought
about
working
in
future,.
And
I
wonder
if
staff
could
circulate
that
to
us,
and
then
we
could
respond
to
it,
and
add.
D
C
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
and
I
also
should
have
said
that
we've
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
we've
generally
estimated
about
an
hour
for
matters
depending
on..
You
know
how
much
discussion
there
is,,
but
the
2
kind
of
main
topics
to
talk
about
is,
I'd
like
to
provide
you
all
with
an
update
on
the
civic
area,
historic
district.
and
then
the
proposed
ldrc
adjustments.
acknowledging
that
chelsea
was
the
board
member
that
brought
that
forward,
and
she's
not
attending
tonight..
So.
B
D
D
B
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
personally,.
I
would
love
obviously
to
hear
the
civic
conversations.,
so
we
should
do
that..
I
know
everybody's
interested
in
this,
and
people
are
waiting,
and
then
I
also
feel
like
it
would
be
good
just
to
get
the
highlights
of
what
the
ldrc
structurally,
structural
topic
is
again.,
and
I
know
that
chelsea
brought
that
up.,
but.
D
D
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
the
memo
for
the
civic
area,
historic
district.,
usually
I
put
together
nice
slides
and
it's
conversational..
I
didn't
have
time
to
do
that,
and
I
also
don't
want
to
miss
anything,,
and
so
I
know
that
you
all
are
very
capable
of
reading
a
3
page
memo,
but
I
do
feel
like
there
is
value
in
giving
you
a
verbal
update
that.
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
I
think..
This
is
the
first
formal
update
that
the
board
has
gotten,
and
the
you
know,
picture
in
my
head
is:
is
of
a
duck:
who's
frantically
swimming
underwater,,
but
on
the
surface,
looks
pretty
pretty
calm.
just
know
that
there
has
been
a
lot,,
a
lot
of
work,
happening.
and-
and
I
apologize
that
you
all
haven't
gotten
more
frequent
updates
as
we've
as
we've
gone,
along.
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
and
so
that
is
through
the
instrument
of
a
tolling
agreement
which
is
held
in
agreement
between
the
3
community
groups
and
the
city.,
and
so
we
met
with
the
applicant
group
not
long
after
the
july
twelfth
meeting,,
and
we
have
come
to
an
agreement
that
provides
a
90
day
extension..
So,
whereas
without
it,
we
would
have
needed
to
complete
this
work..
I
think
by.
B
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
there's
been
this
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
kind
of
dominant
narrative
perpetuated
that,
prior
to
the
park,
there
was
a
shanty
town..
It
was
called
the
jungle,
and
what
and
that's
a
pretty
harmful
and
derogatory
term,,
and
what
we
are
discovering
is
that
those
residences
were
there
for
40,
years,
and
so,
understanding
who
lived
there,.
What
did
they
do??
What
sort
of
biographical
information.
can
we
learn
to
help
broaden
our
understanding
of.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
a
second
research
research
gap,
is
acknowledging
the
indigenous
history
of
this
site
and
and
then
also
understanding
more
of
the
cultural
and
social
significance
of
the
public
spaces..
And
so
we
know
there
were
concerts
and
christmas
programs..
What
other
sanctioned
and
unsanctioned
activities
happened
in
in
these
spaces?.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
we've
been
meeting
weekly
on
tuesdays
with
the
applicant
group
to
help
collaborate
on
that
research
and
we
are
actively
working
on
the
walking
tours
that
we
are
planning
for
september.
realizing
that
is
now
september,.
We
are
still
finalizing
the
dates,,
so
it
may
kind
of
go
into
october.
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
c
dot
and
the
applicants,,
which
are
3
community,
groups.,
there's
actually
10
city
departments
and
cu,
also
has
an
interest
in
one
of
the
ditches..
So
in
case
you
thought
it
was
not
complex
enough,.
I
think
this
it's
it's
almost
as
complex
as
I
can
imagine
a
historic
district
with
all
the
different
entities.
B
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner::
there
is
a
community
engagement
event
this
sunday
at
foothills,
community,
park,
and
I'll
have
to
get
the
time
for
you..
It's
called
whatsapp
boulder,
and
there
will
be
many
booths
with
many
different
city
programs
and
projects,,
and
the
historic
district
will
be
one
of
those
at
the
planning.
Table.
B
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
then
on
friday,
we're
meeting
with
the
community
connectors
in
residence
to
get
feedback
on
the
racial
equity
instrument.,
and
this
is
the
first
historic
preservation
project
that
we've
used,
the
racial
equity
instrument
on
which
is
a
really
useful
and
interesting,
and
something
that
we
look
to
continue.
Doing,
you
know,
in
future
designations.
B
D
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
to
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
inform
them
without
them
having
to
come
to
the
meeting?
and
I
think
they
all
bailed..
You
know..
I
looked
at
the
the
attendance
right
now,
and
I
don't
see
them
here,,
so
I'm
just
curious..
Is
there
a
missed
opportunity
about
communicating
them.?
Why
are
they
asking
us
that
question?
and
should
we
do
something
to
get
ahead
of
it?,
because
I
think.
D
B
B
D
B
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
no,
no,.
You
should
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
absorb
that
great
job
comment.
Before
I
go
interrupt
with
more
questions.
okay,,
then
I'll
say
thank
you.
and
I
think,
one..
I
appreciate
the
acknowledgement
of
the
amount
of
work
that's
gone
into
this
in
the
last
5
weeks.
6
weeks
or
so.,
and
I
also
will.
just
recognize
that
this
historic
district
process
has
a
lot
of
kind
of.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
benefits.,
maybe
that
I
didn't
recognize
that
it
would
have.
and
one
is
that
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
9
department
heads,
and
that
is
going
to
increase
kind
of
collaboration
across
the
city
in
terms
of
historic
preservation.
What
designation,
is,
and
isn't
and
then
also
just.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
expanding
the
narrative
of
the
understanding
of
the
community
history,,
regardless
of
the
outcome,.
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
to
this
designation
process
and
and
what
it
provides
to
the
community
and
to
us
as
staff
in
in
the
understanding
of
our
history.
D
D
B
B
B
and
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
okay.,
marcy,
gerwing,,
principal
planner:
okay.,
so
community
engagement,
that'll,
go.
that'll
fly
by.,
but
I'm
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
the
walking
tours
and
and
all
the
rest
of
this.
there's.
Also
a
storing
map
that
claire
and
kate
are
working
on,,
which
is
an
interactive
map.
Based.
history
of
the
area.,
so
that'll
be
fun.
B
B
B
B
D
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
I
think
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:.
This
is
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
one
of
the
phases
that
I'm
most
excited
for,
because
I
think
preservation,
one
of
the
biggest
misconceptions
is
that
nothing
can
change.
once
a
building's
designated,
or
properties
designated.,
but
really
it's.
How
does
a
property
change
over
time?
and
through
the
conversations
with
the
9
departments??
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
ideas
already
bubbling
up
to
the
future
or
up
to
the
surface
about.
for.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
example,,
like
the
boulder
creek,,
is
this
living
entity
that
goes
through
the
the
boundary
public
works
approaches
that
it
should
be
open
and
natural.
well,.
That
could
be
a
design
guideline
of
when,
when
there
are
improvements,,
it
should
remain
open
and
natural
sort
of
things
like
that..
So,
while
outside
consultant.
B
D
D
C
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
than
marcy.
ronnie
pelusio
lmb:.
So
I
think
this
is
the
best
possible
scenario
that
we
have
our
principal
planner,
leading
this
very
significant
project,,
and
I
know
that
you've
got
other
things
to
say.,
but
I
just
have
to
tell
you,
marcy..
I
think
that
the
other
things
that
you
described
there
about
the
interdepartmental
aspects
that
are
arising
from
this
strengthens
our
program.
and
it
also,
you
know,.
D
A
Abby,
daniels:
and
and
I'm
gonna
jump
in,,
even
though
I
know
we're
trying
to
get
through
this
memo,
marcy..
But
I
think
that
part
of
the
things
when
I
was
supporting
this,.
You
are
shedding
light
on
things
that
I
didn't
even
think
about,
might
come
to
fruition.
and
I
think,
ronnie,,
just
the
chance
for
other
departments
and
the
collaboration
to
become
part
of
like,
understand
what
the
preservation
program
is
trying
to
do.
A
Abby
daniels:
the
programs
almost
50
years
old..
This
may
be
the
first
time
some
city
staff,
understand?
like,,
oh,,
hey,,
that's
cool,
and
hey,.
That's
cool.!
We
can
keep
the
ditch
or
creek
natural,,
and
I
just
think
that
that
you
know
we
talk
about
win-win
situations..
This
could
become
something
that
really
benefits
and
crosses
over
so
many
thresholds
that
I
never
even
contemplated..
I
know
that
that.
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
a
historic
district,,
a
historic
building,,
a
historic
place
like
central
park
tells
stories,,
but
we
have
to
have
the
people
pull
those
stories
out
of
all
that
stuff.
and
again,
hey,.
We've
got
a
wonderful
treasure
trove
at
carnegie
branch
library
for
local
history.,
but
I
just
think
I
do
think,
ronnie,.
This
isn't
most
excited.
I've
been
about
something
understanding.
A
Abby
daniels:
that
it's
putting
a
lot
of
work
and
time
on
staff's
shoulders.
and
remember
when
we
thought
this
might
be
done,
this
calendar,
year.
and
and
renee,.
What
you
need
to
understand.
Is,
ronnie
did
a
masterful
job
at
our
july,
twelfth
meeting,,
saying,
okay,.
I
think
this
this
initiations
inevitable
for
the
historic
district,
because
of
the
grounds
full
of
support
for
the
community.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
let
this
conversation
about
how
did
build
in
more
time
for
it
to
happen,,
because
staff
was
saying,.
You
know,.
This
is
a
lot
to
complete
in
this,
in,
in
in
the
normal,
in
the
normal
threshold.,
but
by
coming
up
with
the
tolling
agreement,
and
I've
got
to
be
honest,,
I
think
I'm
the
last
person
who
would
ever
throw
this
out.
I'm
starting
to
think,
you
know.
A
A
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
wonderful.
well,.
It
means
so
much
to
hear
this
positive
feedback
and
kind
of
acknowledgement
of
the
the
work
we've
been
doing
cause
it
is.,
it's
a
very
ambitious
timeline,,
but
I
feel
like
it's
right
on
the
edge
of
realistic
and
and
right
on
the
edge.
we're
only
in
october
on
this
timeline..
So
let
me
keep
going.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
so
we'll,
we'll
bring
this
technical
advisory
group
together
to
draft
the
design
guidelines,
and
then
the
landmarks
board
and
the
parks
and
rec
advisory
board
will
have
a
joint
study
session.
to
review
the
the
proposed
the
proposal,,
including
the
boundary
and
the
draft
design
guidelines,
and
then
from
there.
There
will
be.
B
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
then
that'll
be
another
department.
Coordination.
touch
point..
We
asked
each
of
the
departments..
How
would
you
like
to
be
involved??
Some
would
like
to
be
kind
of
in
in
the
technical
realm
of
drafting
the
design,
guidelines.
other
ones
just
want,,
you
know,
continual
updates.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
so
then
we'll
take
a
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
a
breath
for
the
holidays,
and
then
we'll
come
back
in
january..
Prepare
the
memo
and
the
ordinance
in
january.
have
another
check
in
with
prab
for
review
and
comment.
the
february
seventh
2024
landmarks
board.
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B
F
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
you're,
very
sharp,
because
I
learned
in
the
creation
of
this
memo
that
the
last
time
there
was
a
historic
district
which
was
university
place,.
There
was
talk
about
doing
a
code
amendment
to
eliminate
planning
board
review
from
historic
district
designations
because
there
isn't
a
land
use
implication
for
designations..
So
we're
going
to
need
to.
A
Abby
daniels:
marcy,
before.
oh,,
I
see
ronnie's
hand
up,
too.,
but
before
you
move
on
when
you
talked
about
the
community,
engagement
and
outreach,-
and
I
understand
where
now
that
this
is
quasi
judicial,
once
the
board
voted
to
initiate.
can
landmarks
board,
participate,
and
help
in
any
of
that?.
I
understand
that
some
things
will
be
sitting
and
rendering
a
decision
on.
So
we
can't
participate.
A
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
so
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
you're
welcome
to
attend
like
the
walking
tours..
Look
at
the
story.
Map..
You
know
that
those
sort
of
things.,
but
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate
for
you
to
say
like
lead
the
walking
tours..
So
I
know
you
all
would
be
capable.
this,
you
know,
you're,
welcome
to
attend.,
but.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
just
be
cautious
that
you
shouldn't
be
having
any
conversations
with
community
members
about
your
position
or
the
merits
of
the
application.
you're
welcome
to
listen,,
but
then
direct
them
towards
the
february
seventh
designation,
hearing
as
the
avenue
for
them
to
kind
of
provide
their
comments.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
wonderful.,
marcy,
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
okay,
I'll
finish
this
out
with
the
roles..
So
the
parks
and
rec
advisory
board
does
not
have
a
formal
role
in
the
designation
of
the
historic
district,,
but
because
the
district
includes
land
managed
by
parks
and
recreation.,
perhaps
invited
to
participate
in
the
following
ways.
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B
B
B
B
B
B
D
D
B
G
Lucas
markley
boulder:
well,,
you
know,,
I
was
just
gonna
say
we
do
still
have
a
quasi
judicial
process
to
get
through.
This
board
has
to
decide
whether
or
not
this
landmark,
you
know,.
This
historic
district
is
going
to
proceed
or
not,,
so
we
have
to
be
careful
about,.
You
know,
not
putting
the
cart
before
the
horace
to
some
extent,
and
assuming
an
outcome
that
is.
G
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
but
I
still
think
we
should
do
it.,
I'm
a
volunteer
here..
I
think
we
should
do
it.
so,
however,.
We
got
a
whatever
process
we
need,
and,
however,
we
may
get
to
a
conclusion
of
what
a
community
outreach
piece
might
be..
That
is
a
celebratory,.
I
think
that's
a
worthwhile
investment,
for
all
of
the
reasons
that
I
mentioned.
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Ronnie
pelusio,
lmb:
and
being
the
person
that
helps
craft.
this
type
of
thing
in
such
an
influential
way,
lets
it
have
even
more
roots
and
more
understanding
and
more
ability
for
it
to
reflect
what
we
are
today
and
be
administered
in
the
future.
When
the
intent
questions
come
up,
that
weren't,
fully
cooked
out.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
because
you
never
get
it
completely
worked
out
right
when
you
create
guidelines.,
and
so
that's
that's
again..
I
don't
know
how
many
bows.
ii
think
you
put
as
many
bows
on
things
as
you
want
like..
I
don't
think
this
is
a
one
bow
kind
of
package
here.,
so
there's
a
bunch
of
more
bows
on
this,
and
I
just
want
to
say.
thank
you,
marcy,
for
your
leadership
in
this..
Thank
you
for
aggressively
a
tackling
this
with
the
rest
of
our
staff.
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B
B
B
A
A
Abby
daniels:,
so
that
is
a
bigger
conversation.
and
and,
marcy,.
I
know
you're
trying
to
get
through
this,
and
we
got
it.
get
renee
to
bet.
no,,
I'm
kidding.,
but
you
know,
ronnie,.
I
appreciate
everything
you
just
said,,
because
you
know,
marcy
follows
in
the
footsteps
of
someone
to
work
closely
with,
and
also
in
the
footsteps
of
someone
who
worked
for
the
city.,
what
2,
decades,
or
maybe
more,,
but
a
long
time..
So
there
is
a
cultural
shift,
and
we
need
to..
You
know,.
The
the
program
is
in
such
great
hands.
A
Abby
daniels:,
but
we
need
to
know
that,
you
know,
like,
like,.
There
is
a
difference.
and
you
know
we
need
to
let
let
you
know
marcy
and
I.
you
already
have
that
so
completely
inhabit
this
role
with
who
she
is
and
what
her
experiences
is,
and
her
thought
processes.
and
it's
sort
of
like
starting
a
new
but
not
really..
Do
you
know
what
I
mean?
and
that's
why
it's
been
to
me
a
seamless.
A
A
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
preservation
in
boulder
mean
and
need
in
in
2023,,
and
I
just
wanna
say
you
also
acknowledge
that.,
but
our
team
is
just
phenomenal,.
You
know,
claire
and
aubrey,
and
kj.
and
olivia,
that,
like
everyone,,
is
just
so
wonderful.
and
and
I
might
be
the
face.,
but
ton
of
the
credit
goes
to
them
as
well.
B
B
B
B
B
john
decker:
great?,
yeah.,
marcy,
gerwing,,
principal
planner:,
okay.,
so
time,
chuck.,
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:.
We
have
15
min
estimated
of
how
much
time
matters
would
take,
and
I
think
that's
probably
just
the
right
amount
of
time
to
revisit
the
the
request
from
chelsea.,
but
then
kind
of
not
dig
into
the
details
or
ideas,,
but
save
that
for
a
later
conversation.
and
kurt
go
ahead..
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C
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D
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D
D
D
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
the
problem
statement.
and
I
think
john
is
doing
that.,
but
I
know
marcy
and
renee
wasn't
around..
I
just
I
still
have.
I
just
recovered
from
covid..
I
got
covid
brain..
I
put
my
social
security
number
in
when
I
was
trying
to
pay
for
something
another
machine.
The
other
day.
I
don't
know.
What's
going,
on.
can
marcy?.
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
yes,
yes.,
and
then
I
also
hear
and
and
agree
with
this
kind
of
statement
that
out
of
respect
for
chelsea
and
her
bringing
this
up,,
let's
just
visit
the
her
kind
of
request,
and
then
and
then
we'll
end
for
matters
tonight..
And
I
thought
that
I
had
a
nice
slide
that
summarized
it..
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B
B
B
B
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
modify
the
drc.
rotation
to
reflect
availability
rather
than
trying
to
spread
it
pretty
evenly
empower
staff
to
take
full
advantage
of
what's
allowed
to
be
reviewed
at
the
staff
level.
and
we'll
say
right
now,
it's
very
limited.,
but
there
are
things
that
we
can
can
review
at
the
staff.
Level.
B
B
B
B
E
E
Renee
golobic:,
you
know
better
for
the
landmarks
board,
you
know,,
because
if
you
would
have
asked
me
before
I
had
done
maxwell
to
be
on
the
landmarks
board,
I
wouldn't,,
because
it
is
so
much
time..
I
know
how
much
time
it
takes.
may.,
I
don't
even
wanna,
be
an
applicant
because
it
takes
so
much
time
to
be..
You
know
the
meeting
could
be
30
min,
or
it
could
be
3
h,
you
know.
E
Renee
golobic:,
so
I
agree
with
some
of
the
things
she's
saying..
I
also
think
that,,
like
the
the.
If
you
turned
all
the
ldrc.
meetings
to
evening,,
then
that
also
excludes,,
you
know,
family
time,,
which
you
know
marcy
and
claire
and
the
rest
of
the
you
know,
city
of
boulder
people
that
are,
they
are,
you
know.,
that's
their
time
working
time..
So
if
you
switched
it
to
off
hours.
now,.
E
E
Renee
golobic:
to
be
more
flexible.,
but
I
see
friday
is
a
day
to
like..
I
extend
your
weekend,
or,.
You
know,
get
out
of
town
on
thursday
night.
so
like
when
winter
comes
for
me
fridays..
We
we
go
because
the
kid
has
ski
team
on
friday,.
So
I'm
the
one
cause,
I'm
the
one
flexible
schedule
cause.
my
husband
works
for
the
city
of
boulder,.
So.
E
E
E
E
Renee
golobic:,
you
know
other
people's,,
because
we
don't
all
want
to
think
the
same
cause..
If
we
all
thought
the
same.,
then
one
of
us
isn't
needed..
So,
even
if
the
question
might
sound
silly
in
our
heads,,
I
think
that
we
should
all
say
it
because
it
brings
up
other
topics,
and
it
starts
to
give
us
all
something
to
really
think
about..
So
I
like
the
idea
of
creating
diversity
in
the
board..
I.
E
A
Abby
daniels:
yeah,
there
were
some
some
great
suggestions,
and
I
totally
hear
where
she
comes
from,,
because
it
totally
depends
on
the
flexibility
of
a
working
job.
and
you
know,
like,,
I'm
thinking,,
if
it
if
it
went
to
every
other
wednesday,,
it's
probably
still
the
same
number
of
hours,
ultimately,
for
whoever's
on
or
whatever.
I
personally,
and
I
agree
with
renee
friday,.
Maybe
one
of
the
more.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
regularly
scheduled.
and
you
know,
marcy,.
I
think
we're
also
in
this
situation,
where
a
lot
of
programs
and
a
lot
of
things
after
being
in
the
non
profit
world
so
long,
we
perpetuated
so
many
things,
cause.
That
was
always
the
way
they
were
done,
and
you
know
I
don't
know-
and
I
think
this
was
said
more
verbally
and
not
in
her
her
email
to
the
board.
but,
like,,
you
know.,
has
it
ever
been.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
can
call
it
up.,
but
I
think,
what's
fascinating
to
me
to
ldr.
see,
is
I
learned
so
much
at
ldrc.,
you
know,
that
it
makes
it
much
easier
at
a
board
member
meeting,,
because
some
of
it's
just
the
terms
and
things,,
and
I
always
learn
from
the
architect
sitting
in
an
ldr,
and
so,
you
know,.
I
find
it
that.
A
B
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
and
a
lot
of
questions
of
like,.
Why
do
we
do
things?
The
way
we
do
things
like?,
it's
possible
that
it's
held
on
wednesday,,
because
that's
when
the
conference
room
was
available
22
years
ago.
like
we
don't,,
we
don't
know
for
sure.,
so
like
turning
it
over
and
questioning
like,.
Why
do
we
do
it?
This
way.,
I
think,
is,
is
really
valuable.
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Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:,
availability
of
or
marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
capability,
capacity,,
I
guess,
is
the
word
I'm
looking
for
capacity
to
actually
make
any
of
these
changes,
while
the
historic
district
process
is
going
on,
just
isn't
possible..
So
I
think
that
the
idea
of
having
kind
of
a
theme
of.
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B
E
B
B
B
D
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E
E
E
E
E
Renee
golobic:,
outside.
and
and
then,
if
somebody
wants
to
call
it
up
to
a
wednesday
meeting,,
you
can
call
it
up.,
but
maybe
there's
another
layer
to
not
just
staff,,
but
maybe
there's
another
section
that
also
weed
it
out..
So
you
don't
have
to
have
so
many
wednesday
meetings..
But
I
think
that
if
you
do
the
bi
weekly,
you
know,
or
the
every
other
week.
E
Renee
golobic:,
it
ruins
the
applicant..
Now
the
applicant
has
to
wait
another
week,
and
then
another
week,
and
the
staff
is
gonna,
have
way.
more
stuff.
To
put
in
that
one.
it's
gonna
be
a
whole
day
on
wednesday..
Those
meetings
would
go.
Longer,
you
know.
and
renee,.
What's
marcy?,
I
think
I
mentioned
to.
A
A
Abby
daniels:
thrown
a
load
of
laundry
in
the
washer,
you
know,
by
doing
it.
virtually
it
has
saved
us
time
and
energy,,
and
I
used
to
be
up
in
that
conference.
Room
trying
to
add
money
to
my
parking
on
the
app,
and
I
couldn't
get
service
with
my
provider..
So
ii
do
have
to
say,
having
them
virtually
for
me,
selfishly,
has
been
a
godsend.
B
B
A
Marcy
gerwing,
principal
planner:
it'll
give
us
more
time
to
let
ideas,
percolate.,
yeah,
and
we'll
share
something..
If
I
I've
jumped
to
establishing
the
retreat
agenda.,
I
didn't
mean
to
do
that..
If
this
is
the
retreat
agenda,
topic,,
then
then
we'll
send
something
out
beforehand,
for
you
all
to
think
about,
and
then
and
then
come
to
the
meeting.
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D
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Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:
or
public
members
attending
these
meetings,
as
we
all
are.,
but
I
do
think
that
we
should
weigh
in
their
ability
to
attend
and
participate,
and
what
those
impacts
are
when
we
modify
times
and
or
move
back
and
forth
between
virtual
and
and
person
meetings.-
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
hybrids.
now,.
Are
you
gonna
do
both.
D
Ronnie
pelusio
lmb:,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out,
because
I
know
somebody
is
listening
on
the
other
end
there,,
but
I
imagine,
has
opinions
about
this
as
well,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
we
do
discuss
those..
I
mean,,
I
don't
think
we
can
represent
everybody
in
the
meetings
cause
it's
impossible
to.