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A
A
Osbt:
and
I
think
osbt:
now
we'll
do
the
oath
of
office
for
harmon
zuckerman,,
who
is
our
new
board
member
and
welcome
harmon.
we're
pleased
to
have
you,,
and
once
we
do
the
oath
of
office,.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
maybe
give
you
a
couple
of
minutes
to
introduce
yourself
say
a
few
words
and
then
each
of
us
will.
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A
A
C
C
C
Osbt:
running
a
a
few
planning
departments,
most
notably
for
ospt
purposes.
ii
updated..
I
was
the
director
of
the
update
of
the
lake
tahoe
regional
planning
agencies,
regional
plan,,
which
is
a
a
landmark
document.,
not
not
from
the
update
that
I
did.,
but
from
the
first
regional
plan,
1984
was
subject
of
2
supreme
court
cases,
went
all
the
way
to
the
supreme
court
of
the
united
states..
So
there's
a
lot
of
history
around
planning
in
tahoe.
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C
C
C
Osbt:
and
I
was
excited
to
have
an
opportunity
to
serve
the
city
of
boulder
again
in
this
capacity.,
because
I
care
a
lot
about
open
space
issues
and
and
open
space..
I
don't
consider
myself
ideological,,
nor
do
I
have
any
sort
of
access
to
grinder
or
bones
to
pick
with
the
way
that
open
space
is
being
managed
and
used.,
and-
and
I
really
would
like
to
think
that
I'll
be
a
very
open
minded
and
collegial
member
of
this
board.
A
A
Osbt:
give
us
a
brief
synopsis
of
your
career?
well,.
This
is
this
is
my
second
year
on
the
board.,
so
I've
I've
really
been
joining
my
time
here..
This
is
my
first
board
that
I've
been
on
with
the
city..
I
joined
the
board
because,
you
know,,
I'm
a
I'm,
a
frequent
user
of
open
space.
Both
me
and
my
3
dogs
enjoy
hiking
on
open
space.
D
Osbt:,
my
husband
and
I
actually,
I'm
married
on
open
space.
at
the
top
of
flagstaff
mountain..
If
you
didn't
know,
colorado
is
one
of
like
3
states
where
you
can
self
solemnize
your
marriage,
and
you
don't
need
a
judge
or
a
priest
to
sign
the
form..
So
we
went
up
on
top
of
flagstaff
with
our
dog
and
sign
the
form,
and.
D
E
Osbt:,
sorry,
I'm
at
a
practice,
as
I
can't
believe
those
mark
remarks
were
not
prepared.
ii.
Don't..
Don't
believe
that
for
a
second.
my
name
is
michelle,
australia..
I
am
2
and
a
half
years
into
my
sentence,.
I
mean
term
here,
and
iii,
too,
enjoy
it..
I
am
a
good
enough
for
punishment..
This
is
my.
E
Osbt:
third
city-ish
board.,
I
was
on
the
parks
and
rec.
board,
and
the
chautauqua
board,
and
I'm
I'm
enjoying
my
time
here
on
open
space,,
raising
a
family
here
with
kids
who
just
started
middle
school..
So
that's
pretty
fun..
We
spend
time
on
mountain
bikes
on
the
the
system
as
well.,
but
I
am
really
enjoying
skunk
canyon.
These
days
drop
the
kids
off
at
school,
or
at
least
get
them
out
the
door
on
their
bikes,.
And
then
I
walk
over
there.
E
A
Osbt:
worked
many
years
with.
if
the
colorado
department
of
natural
resources
ran
the
state
natural
airs
program
for
several
years,
and
then
came
and
worked
for
the
open
space
department
in
the
early
nineties
and
retired
at
some
point
in
the
mid
2
thousands.,
I
can't
remember
exactly
when
and
then
came
back.
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A
A
Osbt:-
and
it
was
a
a
community
effort
that
has
been
a
community
effort
for
years
ever
since
its
inception
in
1967,,
and
some
of
the
people
that
were
responsible
for
that
are
are
still
here,
and
it's
it's
just
been,.
I
think,
a
tremendous
asset
both
to
you
know,,
boulder
itself
and
to
the
front
range,
and
actually
to
the
state.
A
A
A
Osbt:
at
that
time
you
could
come
over
davidson
mesa
and
descend
down
into
the
boulder
valley,
and
on
either
side
of
us.
36..
When
you
did
that,
coming
from
denver
in
the
fall,
there'd,
be
this
russet
reddish,
you
know,
grass,
that
was
growing,.
You
know,
and
I
looked
out
the
window.
I
said,
gosh,.
That
looks
like.
A
Osbt:
you
know,
big
blue
stem,,
you
know,
tall
grass
prairie.,
I'm
from
wisconsin,,
and
I
knew,
know
that,
because
the
university
of
wisconsin
established
in
arboretum
many,
many
years
ago,
and
with
all
the
leopold
and
several
other
famous
ecologists
and
the
tall.
they
restored
the
tall
grass
prairie,
there,
and.
A
Osbt:,
the
on
either
side
of
36
was
the
same..
It
looked
the
same,
and
it's
like
whoa.,
and
so
I
followed
that
up
with
some
folks,
and
it
actually
was
big
blue
stam,
paul
grass,
prairie
and
in,.
You
know
that
that
was
it.
ii
really
appreciated
everything
that
the
city
had
done.
To,
you
know,
protect
places
like
that.,
so.
B
B
B
Brady
robinson:,
at
least
on
in
the
in
the
government
sector.,
and
so
I
have
a
lot
to
learn.,
there's
just
an
amazing
amount
of
things
to
learn..
So
it's
been
my
pleasure.,
I'm
very
disappointed
that
I'm
no
longer
the
junior
member.,
so
that
happened
quicker
than
I
thought
it.
Was.
gonna,
but
anyway,
welcome.
B
B
B
A
A
A
A
E
A
A
F
G
A
H
A
J
Osbt:
okay,,
so
the
city
has
engaged
with
community
members
to
co-create
a
vision
for
productive,,
meaningful,
and
inclusive
civic
conversations..
This
vision
supports
physical
and
emotional
safety
for
community
members,
staff
and
board.
Commission
members,
as
well
as
democracy.
for
people
of
all
ages,
identities,
lived
experiences
and
political
perspectives.
J
J
Osbt:
all
remarks
and
testimony
shall
be
limited
to
matters
related
to
city
business..
No
participant
shall
make
threats
or
use
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person.,
obscenity,
racial
epithets,
and
other
speech
and
behavior
that
disrupts
or
otherwise
impedes
the
ability
to
conduct.
The
meeting
are
prohibited.
J
J
Osbt:,
if
you
would
like
to
speak
and
you
haven't
signed
up
in
advance.,
you
can
raise
your
hand
at
this.
Time.
you'll
either
see
an
option
to
raise
hand
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen,,
or
you
can
raise
your
hand
by
clicking
on
the
participants.
box,
the
3
dots
on
the
bottom
right
and
then
selecting,
raise
hand,,
and
I
don't
see
anyone
joining
by
phone..
So
I
can
go
over
that
when
we
get
to
that
point.
Also.
J
C
Miranda
carnessale:
yes.
yes.
hi,.
Thank
you
so
much..
My
name
is
miranda
carnesali..
I
been
living
here
in
boulder
county
area
for
about
a
year..
Now,
I'm
an
environmentalist
and
an
outdoors
woman.,
but
my
day
job
is
actually
I'm
a
location
manager
for
television
commercials
and
feature
films..
I
recently.
I
I
I
I
Miranda
carnessale:
osmp
has
such
an
amazing
staff..
It's
like
such
a
well
oiled
machine.
and
you
guys
really
have
the
capacity
to
kind
of
restructure
and
rebuild
some
of
your
filming
guidelines.
That
would
create
a
better
path
for
filmmakers
to
come.
and
you
know,
film,
some
of
these
beautiful
areas.
so.
I
Miranda
carnessale:.
My
proposal
is
that
over
the
next
few
months
or
the
next
year,
I
love
to
be
able
to
meet
with
somebody
or
some
people,
and
just
kind
of
go
through
what?.
You
know,,
I
think,,
could
be
really
helpful
in
in
in
just
making
feeling
more
viable.
nothing
crazy.
Like
we
don't..
We
don't
need
to
like
change
the
drone
policy.,
but
just
like
the
number.
I
Miranda
carnessale:
there's
a
couple
of
other
things:
I'm
not
gonna
go
over
now.,
but
you
know,.
This
is
my
area
of
expertise,
is
working
with
entities,,
municipalities,
and
mitigating
concerns
that
they
have,,
so
that
we
can
find
a
path
forward
for
filming,
and
I
just
you
know
it's
important
to
me.,
I'm
really
passionate
about
it..
So
I'd
love
to
hear
what
anybody
has
to
say..
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen.
J
K
Paula
shuler:
good
evening..
At
the
july
ospt
meeting,,
the
trustees
asked
staff
to
report
on
specific
strategies
to
improve
neighbor
relations..
The
heel,
group,,
healthy
ecosystems
and
agricultural
lands
took
this
to
heart
and
conducted
a
poll
of
our
162
members,,
many
of
whom
are
neighbors
to
osmp
agricultural
lands,.
To
find
out
how
relations
between
osmp
and
neighbors
could
be
improved..
K
K
Paula
shuler:
remove
more
prairie
dogs.
neighbors
want
the
prairie
dogs
removed
from
the
osmp
agricultural
fields
next
to
their
property..
That's
the
number
one
item
that
will
improve
relations..
There
have
been
some
very
positive
results
from
prior
year
removals,,
but
the
process
has
been
very
slow,:
increasing,
lethal
lethal
control
to
200
acres
a
year
versus
closer
to
a
hundred
acres,,
which
has
been
the
norm,,
will
make
a
big
difference.
K
K
Paula
shuler:
communicate
collaboratively
with
fellow
shareholders
of
irrigation
ditches
to
work
out.
Water
delivery
was
a
poll
item
that
received
high
marks
to
improve
relations..
We
know
that
osmp
is
identifying
irrigation,
infrastructure
problems
and
attempting
to
correct
some
of
those
issues.
neighbors
and
ditch
shareholders
may
have
valuable
input
that
can
help.
neighbors
have
put
a
high
value
on
irrigation
and
want
to
see
historically
irrigable
properties
have
water
running
on
them.
Again.
K
K
Paula
shuler:
weed
control
routinely
clear,
noxious
weeds
on
osmp
properties
before
seed
set
seeds
blow
in
the
wind..
They
also
travel
to
other
properties
via
the
irrigation
ditches,.
Clearing
weeds
will
help
osmp
parcels,,
and
it
will
also
help
neighbors
tremendously
committing
to
mow
noxious
weeds
before
the
seed
set
should
be
a
part
of
a
management
strategy,,
and
it
needs
to
be
done
on
a
consistent,
basis.
K
Paula
shuler:
meeting
face
to
face
with
small
groups
of
neighbors
bordering
each
osm.
p
property
with
prairie
dogs,,
solicit
neighbour
issues
and
advice.
Address
the
problems.
neighbours
raise
all
scored
very
high
in
the
poll.
neighbors
want
a
specific
person
and
phone
number
to
call
when
they
have
an
issue
or
concern.
neighbors
want
their
input
taken
seriously,
and
they
want
their
land.
respected..
K
Paula
shuler:
communication
with
neighbors
can
be
improved
on
many
levels..
These
are
just
a
few
points
from
the
poll..
The
heel
poll
provides
good
information
and
valuable
comments
that
can
be
turned
into
positive
act..
Good
progress
has
been
made
in
the
last
couple
of
years
with
regard
to
prairie
dog,
removals
and
restoration
of
of
agricultural
lands.,
but
there
is
still
a
long
way
to
go,,
especially
with
regard
to
osmp.
being
a
good
neighbor.
K
G
Osbt:
sure,,
I
think
I'll
make
note
of
paula's
last
comment.
as
as
you
know,
we're.
We
are
developing
a
memo
that
will
lay
out
some
of
the
neighbor
relations
issues,
provide
a
background
of
what
we
currently
do
and
identify
some
enhancement
areas
in
that
regards.
and
that
will
be
provided
to
the
board
at
the
november
board
meeting
and
part
of
that
packet..
So.
G
A
A
G
L
J
Osbt:
we,,
the
commercial
use
and
film
permits
are
still
subject
to
our
osmp
rules
and
regulations
as
of
right,
now.
and
so
rules
and
regulations
come
from
a
handful
of
different
places..
They
can
come
from
a
city
manager
rule.,
they
can
come
from
an
ordinance.,
some
do
not.
and
some
can
be
changed
in
different
ways.
But
in
terms
of
collaboration,
ii
think
there
are
areas
where.
J
A
G
G
Osbt:
this
is
this:
is
this
amount
of
lift.?
This
is
something
we
want
to
take
on
in
this.
Given
time.,
this
is
prioritization
as
well..
I
I'm
not
trying
to
put
a
damper
on
it,,
but
I
just
want
to
put
the
reality
on
it
that
there's
a
number
of
things
that
we
could
do
in
a
given
year,
and
it's
ultimately
about
prioritizing
of
what
the
board
and
this
staff
feels
like
autoize
to
a
level.,
and
this
very
well
could
be
it.,
and
if
that's
the
case,
we'd
be.
G
B
B
G
A
A
L
L
L
L
J
L
A
A
A
L
L
Lynn
segal:,
he
did
not
prosecute
excel
energy,
and
they
had
a
do
not
repair
order
on
the
detached
wire,
and
they
repaired
it
anyway,
and
said
it
was
because
the
water
pipes
were
going
to
blow.
well,.
You
know
what
they
need
to
fix.
The
water,
pipes,
and
people
need
to
be
put
up
in
a
hotel..
It's
just
like
laina
done.
A
E
E
Osbt:
ii
know
the
mos
and
draft.
do.:
do
you
have
a
an
anticipated
timeline?
and
when
folks
might
sign
it,
or
does
it,?
Does
it
stay
in
draft
mode,
and
we
just
have
have
a
continual
conversation
and
edited
every
year?
Some
clarification
for
those
who
might
be
following
travel
relations,
initiatives
in
a
larger
context.,
so.
G
G
Osbt:
building
that
mou.
we
sort
of
gave
a
thumbs
up
to
that
in
march,
and
that
addresses
a
whole
range
of
issues,,
some
open
space,
issues,
citywide
issues.
and
that's
how
we're
going
to
work
more
collaboratively
as
partners
over
in
the
long
term,
and
that
has
already
been
signed
by
a
couple
of
nations.
so
we're
starting
to
build
some
momentum
of
execution.
On
that
end.
G
G
G
A
A
Osbt:,
can
you
update
us
real
quickly
on
kind
of
how
that's
going
and
and
where
that
review
stands
at
this
point.
yeah,,
so
this
summer,
what?
our
this
was
the
second
in
person
meeting
with
the
tribes,
and
the
goal
this
summer
was
to
again
get
to
know
the
property
a
little
bit
more..
So
we
did
another
site
visit
out
to
the
property..
We
also
then
began
to
provide
the
tribal
members
with
various
options
of.
G
Osbt:
of
what
themes
are,
do
we?
should
we
be
emphasizing
in
the
site,
plan,
and
quite
clearly,.
Almost,
I
mean
unanimously
amongst
the
tribe,
is
heal
the
land,
heal
the
people
was
the
theme
that
they
would
like
us
to
do
that
at
this
point..
In
time
they
feel.
the
best
thing
we
could
do
to
honor
the
site
is
to
clean
it
up
and
restore
it.
G
G
G
G
Osbt:
seeking
in
october,,
when
they're
invited
back
to
get
more
detailed
of
what
a
site
plan
might
start
to
look
like
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
thumbs
up
on
their
idea
of
a
site,
plan,
and
then
this
winter
bring
that
forward
for
board,
and
ultimately
some
community
conversations.,
and
so
that's
sort
of
the
process.
great
thanks..
So
in
october
the
the
3
tribe,
representatives
of
3
tribes
will
be
back
in
meeting
with
us.
A
Osbt:
on
kind
of
next
steps,-
and
that
is
the
plan,,
whether
it's
in
person
or
virtual.,
it
could
be
a
combination,
or
it
could
be
virtual,,
since
there
probably
won't
be
another
site
visit
in
the
equation..
We
were
fortunate
that
we
had
actually
at
least
2
representatives
from
each
tribe
in
boulder
for
the
3
days
in
in
the
summer..
So
it
was
a
really
great
opportunity,
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
how
it
progresses.
B
B
B
B
B
A
M
A
Osbt:
they?
they
will,,
I
mean,
certainly.
we're
working
on
developing
the
scoring
criteria,
and
that's
intended
to
stretch,,
not
just
for
the
pilot,
but
throughout
the
program,,
because
I
think
it's
likely
there
will
be
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
program.,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
supporting
barriers
where
they're
most
likely
to
make
a
difference.
and
so
in
2024,,
with
a
pilot
program,.
What
we
are
working
on
is
what
that
scope
will
look,
like.,
how
you
know
how
much
of
an
area
we
think.
M
Osbt:
is
feasible
for
us
the
first
year
before
we've
kind
of
seen
how
things
can
go..
So
I
think
in
2024
the
qualifications
will
be
different..
It
may
be
sort
of
a
specific
area
of
the
system
that
we'll
be
focused
on
beyond
that,.
As
long
as
things
go
well,,
I
think
those
qualifications
would
be
based
more
on..
Is
it
an
adjacent
land
owner??
Are
there
paradigms
directly
adjacent
to
them?
tho
those
types
of
fairly
basic
qualifications.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
G
Osbt:
and
commission's
program
area.,
so
they
hired
a
consulting
firm
and
that
consulting
firm
has
about
a
5
month
window
of
steps
that
they're
leading
through
with
the
ultimate
goal
of
a
november,.
I
believe.
november
ninth
presentation
at
a
study
session
to
city
council,,
in
which
they'll
give
the
council
a
pretty
thorough
update
on
their
assessment.
G
G
Osbt:
board
members,
commission,
members.,
so
there's
sort
of
a
an
a
questionnaire
portion,
and
then
there's
one
on
one
surveys
or
interviews,.
If
you
will.,
I
participated
in
a
2,
h,
session.
with
ally
roads
from
parks
and
rec..
We
were
team
together
in
which
they
asked
us
a
number
of
different
questions.,
all
things,
boards
and
commissions,
and
and
the
other
thing
is
they're
doing-
is
they're
collecting
an
assessment
of.
G
G
G
Osbt:
and
then
the
question
of
of
functions,,
roles,,
responsibilities,
and
embedded
all
this
are
are
some
big,
but
yet
issues
underneath
this,,
which
is,
are
there
barriers
to
serving
on
our
boards
and
commissions?,
and
and
can
we
identify
what
some
of
those
are
in,
which
maybe
we're
leaving?
sectors
of
community
members
out
of
the
equation
of
of
maybe
not
even
knowing
that
there's
an
how
to
apply
for
a
board,
or
perhaps
once
you
get
on
it.
That
there's
too
many.
G
G
A
E
A
Osbt:
yeah,,
one
of
one
of
our
concerns
is,
is
certainly
about
the
support
and
assistance
for
board
members
that
you
know
have
childcare.
Needs,
or,,
you
know,,
whatever
kind
of
limits,
their
ability
to
participate
in
whatever
roles
that
and
functions,
the
board,
requires.
and
so
we're
hoping
that,.
One
of
the
outcomes
of
this
review
will
be
some
clarity
and
commitment
to
addressing
some
of
those
issues.
A
E
E
Osbt:
yes,
so.,
but
we
left
them
a
nice
tip,
and
so
we've
met
a
couple
of
times,
and
I
just
wanted
to
run
you
down
where
we
are
in
that
process..
I
just
wanna
remind
everybody,
though,
that
this
is
our
retreat.,
and
so
this
is
our
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
things
that
we
wanna
talk.
About,,
and
I
know
that
you're
new
to
our
board
and
but
ii
would
welcome
any
any
thoughts
that
you
have
after
tonight's
meeting.
E
E
Osbt:
and
but
I'm
gonna
talk
about
the
general
structure.,
we've
tried
to
incorporate
many
of
the
topic
suggestions
so
far.
and
yeah,
we're
seeking
additional
input
for
a
third
topic.
we'd,
like
you
all
to
respond
to
that
second
attachment
with
rankings
by
noon
on
friday,,
so
that
we
could
finalize
the
agenda
sometime
on
monday.
E
E
E
E
Osbt:
and
then
we're
gonna
talk
about
this
topic,
one,
which
is
the
osb's
role
in
the
annual
osmp
budget.
Development.-
we
thought
that
would
be.
That
was
one
of
the
the
made
meteor
topics
that
were
brought
up
and
we
we
thought
that
one
would
go
ahead
and
we'd
go
ahead
and
slot
that
into
our
agenda.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
G
Osbt:
I'll
just
make
a
note
that
I
only
heard
from
a
couple
of
trustees
regarding
what
sections
of
the
rules
of
procedures
that
they're
particularly
interested
in
diving,
into.
obviously,,
it's
a
multiple
page
document,.
We
wouldn't
have
time
in
an
hour
to
go
through
each
section..
So
the
last
few
years
we've
been
honing
in
on
a
particular
section
that.
G
E
E
E
A
A
G
G
A
A
A
Osbt:
e,
it's
use
and
management,,
and
I
just
wanted
to
sh,
show
the
board
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort.
staff,,
wise
and
volunteer,
wise,
put
into
this
garden,,
which
is
a
memorial,
ann
armstrong,
memorial,
garden,
and
armstrong
was
one
of
long
term
mountain
parks
and
open
space
employee
who
unfortunately
died
tragically,
actually,
in
the
in
the
late
nineties.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
H
Osbt:
or
I
can
talk
with
assigned
staff
and
just
get
a
confirmation.,
you
know,,
the
one
jeff
and
I'm
most
interested
in
is
actually
the
main
sign
on
on
broadway.,
which
I
know
will
take
a
lot
longer
to
do..
But
I
am
wondering
whether
we
can
kind
of
get
that
in
the
works,,
because
a
lot
of
people
go
by
there.
and
I
think
if
we
can
get
the
idea
that
you
know
this
is
a
nature.
Preserve.
A
H
H
G
G
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Osbt:
the
last
thing,
I'll
mention
is
obviously
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
marshall
mesa
with
obviously
the
fire
in
recent
years
and
other
things.
tonight..
We
really
hope
to
stay
pretty
focus
just
on
the
trail
head.
in
fact,.
It
was
being
considered
for
renovation
before
the
fire,
and
obviously
the
fire
has
had
an
impact
on
that..
So.
H
N
N
Osbt:
and
we're
she's
gonna
change
the
slide.
so
we'll
make
that
work.
marshall
mesa
is
located
at
the
southeast
intersex
corner
of
the
intersection
of
broadway
or
93
and
170,
or
eldorada
springs
drive.
It
acts
as
kind
of
a
gateway
to
the
city,
and
for
many
visitors
it's
their
first
contact
with
the
system.
N
N
Osbt:
and
then
this
is
considered
the
high
end
of
a
medium
volume
class
trails.,
it's
kinda
intra.
I
sh!,
I
shared
the
trail
data
because
it
shows
that
our
muddy
trail
closures
are
working
when
it
drops
out
on
those
few
days
with
most
snow
is
melting,
and
we
have
the
muddy
trail
closures
that
are
really
being
effective.
Here.
N
N
N
Osbt:
plants
and
animals
their
support,
there's
a
rich
geological
history
that
shows
up
in
how
we
have
2
ditches,
bringing
water
on
the
site,
a
lower
one
and
an
upper
one,
and
then..
There's
the
indigenous
peoples
who
occupy
this
area
and
the
mining
history
as
well..
So
all
of
that
contributes
to
what
makes
this
place
special.
N
Osbt:
we
did
a
trailhead
assessment
in
2021,,
looking
at
all
of
our
trail
heads
in
terms
of
their
their
condition
assessment,
and
each
one
got
kind
of
a
scorecard
and
the
the
big
picture.
There
was
that
everybody
loves
our
trail,
heads.
they're
being
used
extensively,
and
that
there's
a
huge
backlog
of
maintenance
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
often
with
renovations
and
kind
of
redoing
it..
N
Osbt:
we
have
a
system
of
classifying.
Our
trail.
Heads
to
set
expert
have
clarified
expectations
about
what
kind
of
infrastructure
you
might
expect
at
those
trail,
heads.
and
so
marshall
mesa
is
our
level.
3,,
the
highest
level
of
visitor
infrastructure.,
so
you'll
see
the
most
components
at
this
kind
of.
N
N
Osbt:,
how
visitors
come
to
the
trail
heads,
and
how
waste
is
managed
after
our
trail
heads,,
and
they
looked
at
it
from
this
like
cradle
to
brave
lens
of
what?,
what
our
carbon
footprint
is,,
and
they
pointed
us
in
some
interesting
directions
about
how
we
can
minimize
our
carbon
footprint
at
our
trail.
Heads.
A
Osbt:
so,
eileen,.
What
can
you
go
back
to
that
side??
What
is
that
slide
showing
us
well,?
I
like
the
rainbow
one.,
but
it's
it's
showing
that
each
step
of
a
materials
use
has
implications..
So
all
of
the
work
that
goes
into
mining,,
the
materials
that
go
into
a
product,
and
then
how
it's
constructed,
and
then
how
it's
used.
and
then
what
happens
when
it's
deconstructed.
N
N
Osbt:
in
our
renovations.
we're
looking
at
these
trail
heads,,
not
just
as
parking
lots,,
but
as
special
places..
They
are
a
kind
of
ecotone,,
a
transition
between
the
built
environment
and
the
system
as
it
as
a
whole.,
and
so
it's
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
exhibit
evidence
of
care
to
show
that
we
use
materials
wisely,
that
we
are
using
land
wisely,,
that
we
have
intuitive
way..
Finding
that
when
people
come,
they
know
where
they're.
N
Osbt:
they're
supposed
to
go..
They
just
know
that
they're
gonna
make
a
transition
here,
and
they
feel
comfortable
making
that
transition,
that
these
are
welcoming
and
inviting
places,
and
all
of
these
design
features
cue.
The
new,
leave
no
trace.
behaviors
that
set
people
up
for
success
on
the
system.
N
N
Osbt:
we're
working
on
the
marshall
mesa
trailhead
because
of
the
fire..
There
are
a
number
of
elements
that
that
are.
there's
a
bunch
of
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
replaced,
following
the
fire..
We
are
working
with
fema
in
particular.
on
replacing
our
rep,,
our
restrooms
with
a
more
resilient,
concrete
vault,
structures
that
are
not
gonna.
Have
that
would
not
have
that
issue
in
the
future.
N
N
Osbt:,
we've
also
been
working
on
visitor
safety
and
access
coordinating
with
both
the
county
transportation,
and
would
see
that
we
recently
worked
together
to
put
in
a
fence
along
the
eldorado
park
and
ride
lot,
defining
a
driveway
and
a
pedestrian
crossing.,
and
then
we
put
in
a
temporary
access
route
to
the
trailhead.
so
and
like
this
has
been
really
effective..
People
are
really
happy
with
the
the
safety
improvements
here.
N
Osbt:,
the
trailhead
is
located
on
this,
a
former
building
site,
and
we
just
use
their
driveway
entrance
when
the
trailhead
was
built.,
but
that
driveway
is
too
close
to
colorado
93
to
broadway
to
allow
for
full
turn
movements.,
and
so
I
know
I've
been
frustrated
trying
to
make
a
left
out
of
that
parking.
Lot.
but,
we're
going
to
look
at
relocating
the
drive
access
to
have
full
turn
movements
and
safety..
There.
N
N
Osbt:
and
osbt:
addressing
the
global
climate
crisis
here
and
now
is
a
big
one
to
tackle.,
but
one
component
of
that
is
in
our
increasingly
warming
climate
shade
is
a
safety,
issue,
and
so,,
making
sure
that
we
provide
shade
for
for
visitors
on
the
system,,
whether
that
is
through
structures
or
through
trees..
We
have
a
lot
of
considerations
with
trees..
Do
we
choose
ponderosa's
that
are
only
adapted
to
smaller
fires?
Do
we
choose
cottonwoods
that
have.
N
N
N
Osbt:,
we
wanna
make
sure
we're,
including
ample
organized
parking..
That's
intuitive..
People
understand
how
to
use
it,
that
we
support
multi-modal
transportation
with
bike
parking
and
shuttle
parking
right.
Now.
shuttle
buses
can't
enter
the
the
trail
head
because
the
turn
ready,
I
don't
support,
them,
and
so
baked
into
the
infrastructure.
development-
is
making
sure
we
can
have
that.
those.
N
N
N
N
Osbt:
and
in
a
survey
of
the
children
in
our
community,
they
overwhelmingly
said
that
they
wanted
to
have
interpretation
that
was
about
out
for
art
and
outdoor
experiences,
that
it
was
important
for
them
to
bring
themselves
to
the
experience
and
have
a
personal
relationship
with
it..
And
I
think
that's
a
really
interesting
thing.
Like
that.,
our
kids
know
that
they
want.
they
want
to
be
able
to
understand,
something,
but
know
what.
N
Osbt:
through
their
own
interpretation.,
and
so
the
ceo
students
work
through
some
really
cool
studio,
exercises,
revealing
things
that
are
not
necessarily
visible.
how
deep
the
roots
are!.
What's
going
on
with
the
coal
mining.,
what's
happening
with
prairie
dogs?
and
this
kind
of
interactive
site
interpretation
communicates
what
it
means
to
be
right,
here,
what
it
is
on
this
place
that
where
are
you?,
and
how
do
you
understand
that.
N
Osbt:
passive.
rec
does
not
just
mean
moving
through
a
site.
there's
lots
of
passive
rec
that
actually
involves
what
it
means
to
be
invited
to
take
a
seat
and
contemplate
what
it
means
to
be
with
your
family
having
a
picnic
together,
outdoors.
to
have
a
perspective
frame
for
you
in
a
different
way..
These
are
all
components
of
passive
rec,,
as
is
stewardship
as
recreation.
increasingly,.
People
really
want
to.
N
Osbt:
and
then
providing,
welcoming
and
inspiring
visitor
facilities,,
and
we
wanna
concentrate
our
infrastructure
and
accessible
places,
both
for
visitors
and
for
maintenance..
We
have
a
long
legacy
of
infrastructure,,
helping
people
to
feel
welcomed
and
inspired.
on
this
site.
We
have
a
kind
of
funky
structure
that
we
call
the
backstop,
we're
looking
to
repurpose
that
or
re
engage
its
original
intent,,
which
seems
to
be
more
connecting,
and
not
as.
N
N
N
N
Osbt:
there
is
a
bike
parking
area
and
plaza
gathering
space,
so
folks
can
meet
their
group,,
not
in
the
middle
of
the
parking
lot,
but
off
to
the
side..
There's
a
gathering
area
again,,
where
you
can
sit
and
tie
your
shoes
and
make
a
transition
before
you
head
out
onto
the
trails,,
and
there
is
a
shade
shelter
that
can
work
for
people
waiting
for
that
shuttle
or
for
for
picnicking
and
a
long
picnic
edge.
N
Osbt:
we
are.
kinda
we're
in
september,
kind
of
at
the
end
of
conceptual
design.,
we'll
be
moving
into
the
schematic
design
and
construction
documents
through
2,024
that
will
align
with
permitting
and
procurement
through
2024
next
fall.
Drms
is
planning
to
do
their
mitigation
work,
and
we'll
come
in
following
that
mitigation
work
and
do
the
trial
head
renovation.
A
Osbt:
yeah,
phil.,
john,,
yeah,
I'll
I'll
go
first.,
that's
okay.!
Thank
you
for
the
update
in
the
packet..
It
was
really
good..
I
really
enjoyed
the
drawings,
and
ii
really
feel
like.
I
have
a
thorough
picture
of
you
know
what
y'all
are
thinking
for
this
space.
and
it
was
really
well
put
together.
thank
you.
E
Osbt:
I
enjoyed
this
topic.
A
lot,,
especially
hearing
about
shade.
we're
one
of
the
families
who
bike
from
our
house
to
this
trail.
Head,
and
we've
had
many,
many
meltdowns,,
because
everybody
is
super
hot.
by
the
time
we
get
there
and
that
backstop.
We
look
for
a
sliver
of
shade
at
that
black
stop
at
that
backstop,
and
just
like
are
hiding
there
until
we
get
up
the
energy
to
do
it.
Again.
and,,
like
I
said
many
meltdowns.,.
E
E
Osbt:
couldn't
osbt:
seek
that
shade..
I
know
you're
gonna.
It
looks
like
you're
trying
to
put
other
trees
around
there.,
but
will
you
try
to
sprinkle
in
some
other
places??
If
you
do
end
up
renting
those
shelters?,
that's
a
good
point..
We
would..
We
wouldn't
want
to
make
that
shelter
not
available
to
the
general
community..
So
if
we
were
gonna
have
a
rental
place,,
I
would
think
we
would
add
another
one.
N
H
H
H
H
H
N
H
Osbt:,
how
do
we
understand
the
changing
climate
and
the
impact
it
has
on
our
visitors?
Their
experience.
should
talk.
one
particularly
have
access
to
water
through
the
utilities
there.
at
marshall
mesa.
like
she
mentioned.,
it's
typically
a
question
of.
Do
we
have
access
to
tap
into
the
domestic
water,
you
know,
to
provide
that.
so.
H
H
A
N
Osbt:
we're
anticipating
a
fair
amount
of
impact
from
the
drms
mitigation..
That
will
be
we're
trying
to
do
our
best
to
do
our
best
with,
but
yes,
revegetation
is
going
to
be
a
critical
piece
of
success
of
this
system.
and
so,.
Looking
at
what
we
can
do
to
to
ensure
success
of
that,
revage
is
going
to
be
key.
C
C
C
C
N
H
H
H
H
C
C
A
B
A
Osbt:,
so
ii
really
think
that
it's
a
a
good
concept..
I
have
a
couple
of
questions..
It
wasn't
clear
to
me..
The
old
cistern
was
under
the
old
parking
lot
or
the
new
park,,
the
new
parking..
So
the
old
cistern
is
adjacent
to
the
equestrian
section
of
the
existing
parking
lot.,
but
the
existing
cistern
was
built
for
the.
N
N
A
N
H
A
A
A
A
Osbt:,
you
know
the
benefits
of
fire
actually
on
native
landscapes.
and-
and
I
know
we're
gonna
talk.
and
you
know,.
Fire
has
always
been
conceived
as
very
destructive,
but,
in
fact,.
These
landscapes
require
fire.
and
so
for
me,.
It's
a
really
important
component
of
of
the
trailhead
reconstruction
to
have.
A
Osbt:,
you
know,,
really
good
interpretation
education,,
you
know,
facilities,
so
that
people
can
understand
that,
you
know,,
just
because
there
was
a
fire
here,.
It
didn't,
destroy
the
grassland.
now,
you
know,,
there's
a
different
you
know,
concept
on
the
urban
or
developed
environment.,
but
it's,
you
know,
in
our
whole
renewal
and
rest,
you
know.
restorative.
ii.
Don't
want
it
to
be
totally
focused
on.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Osbt:
historically,
there
was
always
a
lower
timber
line,
and
that
lower
timber
line
is
back
up
into
the,
and
the
reason
that
it
was
a
lower
timber
line
were
several..
One
was
that
you
know
the
indigenous
peoples
burned.
Periodically.
you
know,,
there
were
lightning
fire.,
so
there
was
kind
of
a
periodic
cyclical
fire
regime
there,
and
then
they
were
dryer..
You
know
they
were
drier
environments
that
didn't
support.
A
Osbt:
for
sedarius,,
although
on
marshall
mesa,
there
are
the
pockets
that
you're
trying
to,
you
know,
emphasize
in
the
trailhead,
there
were
pockets
of
where
there
was
more
moisture
in
trees.
in
any
event,.
It's
a
long,
winded
way
of
saying
that.
I
hope
that
we
focus
our
efforts
on
the
grassland
and
the
importance
of
the
grasslands
native
grasslands,,
because
they're
one
of
the
most
endangered
ecosystems.
A
A
C
C
Osbt:
island,
and
if
there
is,,
if
there's
an
engineering
reason,
that's
fine.,
but
we
will
have
an
engineer
looking
at
this
as
well,
and
and
they
might
make
other
recommendations.,
I'm
looking
at
the
shuttle
bus
kinda
coming
through
and
being
able
to
cut
through,
and
that
sort
of
desire
line
that
impacts..
So
my
comment
to
that
is
that
if,
if
that's
the
only
reason
I
would,,
I
would
think
it
would
be
a
better
design
to
just.
C
C
A
Osbt:
one
last
historical
tidbit..
I
don't
think
that
any
of
you
probably
know.,
but
the
old,,
the
old
building
that
used
to
be
there
was
a
very
famous
ethiopian
restaurant,
and
in
fact,
many
people
probably
have
many,
many
people
from
boulder,
or,
you
know,
not
very
far
away,
would
go
out
there
to
eat..
So.
A
G
Osbt:
we're
back
with
jackets,
those
of
you
at
home.
we
have
climate
resiliency,
here.,
cold
front,
came
through.,
alright,
then.
you're,
still
on.
yeah,,
we're
going
to
now.,
put
our
attention
to
the
camp
program,
providing
an
overview
and
an
update
and
steps
of
step.
Recommendation
of
moving
forward
with
camp.
G
G
Osbt:
are
coming
together
to
collaborate
and
lend
their
voices
and
and
their
talents
and
expertise
to
this.,
and
we
have.
francis.
bolding
is
is
one
of
our
main
lead
from
open,
space.
who's
participating
on
this
effort.,
but
there's
multiple
other
city
staff
and
and
departments
involved
in
this
effort.
so.
G
G
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
yeah,,
we
we
enjoyed
yellowstone
and
montana.,
but
yes,
thank
you,
dan,
for
the
introduction.
again,
trustees..
My
name
is
chris
hagan,,
a
principal
planner
in
the
transportation
mobility
department..
I
manage
our
transportation
demand
management
program
and
our
metrics
program,
and
I
was
asked
to
be.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
a
program
under
the
access
management
and
parking
strategies,
umbrella,
or,,
as
we
refer
to
it
as
amps
and
amps..
The
amps
document,,
which
was
approved
by
council
in
2017,
is
one
of
the
many
guiding
documents
like
our
transportation
master
plan
or
the
boulder
valley
comp
plan
that
guides
staff
work.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
amps
is
that
multi
departmental
work
effort,
you
know,
for
this
camp
evaluation.
We
have
members
of
open
space
and
mountain
parks,,
community,
vitality
and
transportation
and
mobility
all
coming
together.
Some
other
notable
camp
amps
projects
that
you
may
be
aware
of.
The
recently
adopted
curbside
management
program.,
our
performance
based
pricing,
pro
program
and
some
future
work
we'll
be
doing
on
our
off
street
parking
codes.
Next
slide,
please.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
so
camp
was
initiated
in
2017
under
an
ordinance
that
sunsets
this
year..
So
over
the
past,
several
months,
staff
has
conducted
an
evaluation
on
whether
to
continue
this
program,,
and
we
have
employed
a
variety
of
methodologies
to
do
that
meeting
with
our
key
stakeholders
having
numerous
questionnaires
out
in
the
public
to
be
answered.
and.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
for
our
future
trailhead
access
management
programs
in
general,.
We
do
know
that
chautauqua
is
the
most
visited
of
the
trail
heads.,
but
there's
others
that
also,
may
be
in
need
of
some
access
demand
management
due
to
in.
in
most
cases,
parking
demands..
We
wanna
also
set
that
foundation
for
how
we
look
at
future
trailheads
and
evaluate
them.
O
chris
hagelin,
cob:,
so
the
camp
program,
or
what
I'll
refer
to
as
the
camp
season
is
a
program
that
lasts
between
memorial
day
and
labor
day.
Weekends
and
camp
runs
just
on
the
weekends
and
on
those
major
holidays
generally.
not
during
the
weekdays.
The
program
includes
managed
and
paid
parking
at
chautauqua
and
in
the
north
chautauqua
neighborhood,
or
as
we
refer
to
it
as
a
neighborhood
parking
permit
program
or
npp.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
a
really
important
part
of
the
camp
program,
is
the
ambassador
program
run
by
visit
boulder.
They
help
visitors
with
with
parking
questions
with
use
of
the
park
mobile
app
how
to
use
the
shuttle
and
and
understanding
of
of
how
to
get
back
to
their
vehicles
afterwards..
So
the
visit,
boulder
ambassadors
are
a
key
element
of
the
success
of
this
program.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
so,
as
I've
mentioned
some
of
these
key
stakeholders,
they're,
really
critical
to
this
program,,
not
only
in
the
design
of
the
program,,
the
operations
of
the
program,,
but
also
in
this
current
evaluation
of
camp..
Some
of
those
key
stakeholders
are
listed
here,,
including
the
colorado
chautauqua
association
visit
boulder,,
as
I
mentioned,
via
mobility.,
who
runs?
the
free
shuttle
system!.
They
also.
O
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
the
park
to
park.
as
we
refer
to
it,
the
park
to
park
shuttle
ridership
has
decreased..
It
was
severely
impacted
by
covid,
and
while
it
is
on
the
rebound
based
on
our
our
data
that
we've
collected,,
it
is
still
about
half
of
what
it
was
at
the
the
very
beginning
of
the
of
the
camp.
Program.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
what
we
see
during
the
camp
season
is
that
really
the
the
parking
spaces
along
baseline
and
at
the
ranger
lot
are
generally
completely
full,
but
there
is
generally
some
availability
around
the
green
and
at
the
mcclintock
lot
and
this
is,,
I
think,
a
testament
to
to
using
pricing
as
a
demand.
Tool.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
we
also
looked
at
the
north
chautauqua,
npp.
and
looked
at
utilization
within
that
area.
residents.
generally
they're.
They
pay
$10
per
camp
season
to
have
a
residential
parking
permit..
They
can
also
purchase
visitor
permits
for
$5
each
that
they
can
give
to
people
who
are
visiting
on
the
weekends
during
that
camp
season
to
be
able
to
park
on
that
street.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
but
what
we're
hearing
from
the
the
residences
is
that
on
the
shoulders
of
the
camp
season,
when
we're
not
managing
parking,
but
visitation
is
still
very
high,.
And
this
is
kind
of
the
april
to
october
timeframe
in
general,
that
on
those
shoulders
they're
experiencing
a
lot
of
increased
parking
demand
on
their
blocks
and
decreasing
the
livability
in
their
neighborhood.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
for
trying
trying
some
alternatives,,
although
car
pooling
really
is
the
the
most
viable
option
for
most..
There
are
telework
options,
and
we've
provided
some
long
term
bicycle
parking
at
some
of
those
employers
as
well.
In
general.,
the
employers
believe
that
camps
should
be
continued,
and
that
it
should
be
extended
to
more.
Once
of
the
year,
and
possibly
more
days
of
during
the
week.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
perhaps
the
most
important
thing
that
the
employers
wanted
to
see
that
would
benefit
their
employees,
and
how
they
get
to
work
is
having
some
direct
transit
access
to
chautauqua,
and
also
for
those
who
do
have
to
park
perhaps,,
making
some
commuter
permits
available
within
the
npp.
for
for
chautauqua
employees..
This
is
a
practice
that
we
do
in
the
npps
around
our
downtown.
O
O
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
they
find
that
overall
parking,
availability
and
liveability
has
increased
due
to
the
program..
But
it's
really
on
those
shoulders
of
the
camp
season
where,
when
the
park
is
still
getting
1,000
visitors
per
day,
that
they're
finding
their
ability
to
park
on
their
own
block
if
they
leave
at
any
time
on
the
weekends.
severely
limited!,
thus
decreasing
overall
liveability
in
their
neighborhood.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
next
slide,
please.
chris
hagelin,
cob:.
We
also
conducted
a
general
public
questionnaire.
This
questionnaire
was
available
at
chautauqua
buildings,
qr.
codes
on
the
shuttle.,
and
so
that's
why
I
think
you're
you're,
seeing
very
different
numbers
from
the
questionnaire
versus
our
chautauqua
trailhead
visitor.
information
is
just
because
of
where
they
were
accessing
this
questionnaire.,
but
in
general
the
respondents
to
the
questionnaire
where
boulder
residents
they
visit
about
10.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
to
park
chris
hagelin,
cob:
and
in
general
that
the
respondents
want
camp
to
continue.
a
vast
majority
of
respondents,
said,
yes,.
We
want
camp
to
continue,,
but
we
want
to
see
some
further
improvements,,
such
as
direct
access
to
chautauqua,
extending
the
camp
season,
use
of
electric
vehicles
and
looking
at
additional
days
of
the
week,
like
fridays
or
any
day
that
there's
a
major
event
at
the
park..
So
a
lot
of
common
themes
that
emerged
from
our
work
with
our
stakeholders
and
responses
from
the
questionnaire
next
slide,
please.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
as
well.,
and
we
have
one
major
event
outside
of
the
camp
season,
the
festival
they'll
solo,,
which
is
gonna,
be
at
chautauqua,,
where
we're
gonna
conduct
some
additional
outreach
prior
to
our
study
session
with
with
city
council
in
october..
What
we
found
is
that
you
know,
out
of
those
that
did
not
a
identify
as
white
who
responded
to
our
surveys
in
general..
They
are
boulder
residents..
They
visit.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
it's
it's
mostly,,
you
know,
arriving
in
in
car,
pools
those
they
did
report
using
the
park
to
park
shuttle,
or
the
hop
to
chautauqua,,
as
well
as
another
way
to
do
it..
One
of
the
more
important
things
I
think
we
learned
is
that
paid
parking
in
general
did
not
impact
the
frequency
of
people's
visitation
to
the
park..
They
have
a
high.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
so
with
that.
you
know,
kind
of
come
up
to
our
scenarios,
and
with
the
purpose
of
this
evaluation.
essentially,,
to
assess
the
future
of
camp.,
you
know,,
the
options
are
basically,.
Do
we
discontinue
it?
or
do
we
continue
it?
and
you
know,,
based
on
our
data
analysis
and
input
from
the
questionnaires
and
our
key
stakeholders,?
The
staff
recommendation
is
to
continue
camp,,
knowing
that
there
are
some
anticipated
changes
that
are
that
are.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
so
some
of
those
anticipated
changes
include
micro,
mobility,
access..
So
we
are
looking..
We
recently
expanded
the
lime
scooter
program
citywide..
It
was
operating
in
a
pilot,
just
east
of
20,
eighth
street,,
and
just
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
we've
expanded
it
citywide..
We
are
looking
at
how
we
provide
lime,
scooter
access
to
chautauqua.
O
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
but
we
may
look
at
some
other
locations
as
well.,
we'll
likely
look
at
some
changes
to
the
hop
to
chautauqua
route
based
on
future
changes
in
our
cities,
you
know,,
one
thing
we've
been
talking
about
is
how
to
connect
the
cu,
hotel
and
conference
center
to
the
program
as
well..
So
there
may
be
some
other
changes,
we'll
we'll
look.
At.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
we're
also
gonna
update
some
parking
signage
to
make
it
more
clear
on
when
you
have
to
pay
to
park,
and
how
you
can
pay
to
park.
One
big
issue
that
we're
gonna
have
to
confront
is
that
there
is
construction
anticipated
at
new
vista
high
school
in
2024
that
could
disrupt
our
access
to
that
remote
lot..
So
that
is
something
that
we
are
working
with:
bbsd
on
and
and
considering..
If
we
do
have
to
shift
how
we
will.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
3
possible
modifications
to
the
program.,
and
these
are
some
things
we'd
like
to
have
some
input
from
the
trustees
on.,
you
know
one
is
the
implementation
implementation
of
performance
based
pricing.,
so
performance
based
pricing
is
a
way
in
which
you,
you
look
at
parking
utilization
and
how
it
affects
the
price
to
park
so
blocks
that
have
the
highest
demand..
You
can
raise
the
price
on.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
and
and
then
help
kind
of
spread
that
demand
to
blocks
that
have
under
under
utilization
the
city
recently
passed.
this
this
policy,
and
basically,.
If
a
block,,
let's
say,
has
a
greater
than
85%
utilization
at
peak
times
that
you
can
increase
the
the
cost
of
parking
by
50
cents.,
and
this
is
an
annual
process
that
that
the
city
is
gonna,
go
through
around
all
their
manage
districts
like
in
the
downtown
boulder
junction
and
university
hill,,
and
so
implementing
this
extra
taco
with.
O
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
to
chautauqua
employees?
one
such
benefit
could
be,
you
know,
like
a
b
cycle
membership
or
lyme
credits
to
access
that
or
additional
van
pool
subsidies,
to
try
and
form
some
van
pools
to
to
provide
another
viable
option
for
people
to
get
to
work..
So
those
are
some
of
the
possible
modifications
that
we're
looking
at.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
you
know,.
We
we've
heard
from
almost
every
group
that
they
want
to
expand
the
camp
season.,
but
you
know
there's
there's,
certainly
some
problems
with
that,,
while
the
city
could
more
easily
extend
the
parking
management
component.,
extending
the
free
shuttle,
or
what
we
call
the
park
and
ride.
Model,
is
problematic,
due
to
our.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
and
this.,
and
you
know,,
while
the
city
could
extend
the
parking
management,.
Would
we
do
that
without
a
free
shuttle
option
available
to
people
if
we
weren't
able
to
have
access
to
these
remote
lots.,
and
I
think,
as
a
result
of
of
that,
the
city
is
staff
is
also
recommended
that
we
conduct
some
future
exploration.
O
O
O
O
O
O
A
D
Osbt:
I
do
ii
had
a
clarifying
question
on
direct
transit,
and-
and
maybe
I
missed
it.,
but
are
we
talking
about
like
a
bus
route
that
goes
up
to
chautauqua
on
a
regular
basis,
connecting
the,?
You
know,
table
mesa,
or
the
downtown
bus,
station,
or
or
what?
exactly?
Does
that
look
like??
It
wasn't
terribly
clear.
Reading
the
packet.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
yeah.,
so
it
it
would
provide
a
direct
transit.
access
to
chautauqua,,
meaning
a
stop
at
chautauqua..
One
thing
that
via
mobility
said,,
you
know,.
If
they
were
to
provide
more
direct
transit
access,
you
know.
would
there
be
a
viable
turnaround,
location
to
kind
of
loop
in
and
turn
around
at
the
park
as
well,.
But
it's
really
providing.
O
O
A
B
B
B
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
so
that's
what
we
spend.
and
we
contract
with
via
we
contract
with
cu,
and
we
contract
with
vbsd,,
and
we
use
those
funds
to
pay
them..
And
then
we
have
the
parking
revenue
and
citation.,
and
so
this
is
collected
by
community
vitality..
And
so
this
is
revenue
that
is
received
through
people
who
pay
to
park.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
and,
and
you
know,,
it
has
a
delta
of
around
$40,000,
and
also
another
part
of
the
of
the
costs
are
the
the
parking
enforcement,,
because
we
are
paying
people
to
work
on
weekends
and
holidays,,
which
comes
at
extra
costs.
so,,
but
even
including
all
of
that,.
You
know,,
the
parking
revenue
exceeds
the
operational
costs.
B
B
B
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
yeah,
yeah,
ii,
get
you
know,
it's.
I
guess
it
would
depend.
you
know,.
It's
certainly
money.
That's
collected
by
community
vitality..
It's
it's
there,.
You
know
it
is
revenue
to
the
city..
So
you
know,
I
think
the
way
in
which
we
were
looking
at
it.
Is,
you
know,.
If
we
were,
gonna,
do
this
future
exploration.
O
O
B
G
Chris
hagelin,
cob:.
Could
it
also
be
possible
that
there'd
be
a
bus,
stop
along
baseline
right
next
to
it,
that
it
would
drop
people
off
at
baseline?
If
that
turnaround
was
not
a
possibility,
correct?
yes,
yes,,
that's
where
we'd
do,
and
we
have
that
one,
you
know..
We
could
do
a
loop
in
the
neighborhood.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
I
think
people
would
really
want
the
electric
shuttles.
we're
gonna
do
something
like
that..
I
think
that's
one
of
the,,
you
know..
One
thing
we
hear
a
lot
from
the
residents
over
the
course
of
this
camp
season
is,
is
the
noise
of
of
the
older
hop
buses.,
but
you
know,
we're
we're
currently
on
schedule
to
receive.
think
it's
9
additional
electric
hop
buses
in
the
next
year
or
so.,
so
we're
very
excited
about
that..
So
we.
A
D
Osbt:,
you
know
the
pain
of
finding
a
parking
spot..
We
always
knew
that,,
you
know,.
If
we
went
to
the
grocery
store
on
saturday,,
our
parking
spot
probably
wouldn't
be
there
when
we
came
back.,
but
you
know
that
was
that
was
the
price
we
paid
for
being
up
there,
and
I
actually
moved
out
the
may
that
the.
D
D
D
D
D
Osbt:
so
my
concern
with
giving
visitors
access
to
scooters
and
bikes,
you
know,
that
are
in
town.,
they
don't
have
helmets.,
they
go
blazing
down.
Baseline.,
they
go
blazing
down
my
street..
You
know
how
how
safe
that
is.-
and
I
really
want
worry
that
someone's
gonna
get
hurt..
I'm
all,
for,,
you
know,
encouraging
alternative
modes
of
transportation.,
but
I
think
we
need
to
think
about.
D
E
E
E
E
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
the
ordinance
is,
is
fairly
high
level
in
terms
of
its
content..
It's
really
about
it's
really
an
ordinance
that
allows
the
the
paid
parking
management
at
the
park,
and
it
has
the
sunset
date
of
december
30,.
First
2023..
According
to
our
city,
attorneys
office,.
We
would
need
to
update
that
ordinance.
and
you
know,
the
simplest
way
of
saying
is,.
We
could
eliminate
the
date,
and
so
ending
the
sunset.
O
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
permits
for
employees
who
work
at
chautauqua,
who
currently
do
not
have
access
to
an
employer
provided
on
site
parking
pass.,
but
still
have,.
You
know
no
other
option
but
to
drive.
One
important
note
is
that
the
majority
of
chautauqua
employees
do
not
live
in
the
city
of
boulder,,
and
many
of
them
do
have
to
drive.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
from
further
distances
and
and
without
direct
transit.
access,
you
know,,
makes
it..
It
makes
it
difficult
to
get
there.
the
third
possible
modification
is,.
Could
we
use
a
portion
of
the
the
parking
revenue
that
we
generate
through
the
program
to
help
fund
some
additional
benefits
to
those
chautauqua
employees,
you
know,
and,.
As
I
mentioned,
you
know,,
like
a
a
b
cycle
membership.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
additional
van
pool
subsidies..
We
we
do
believe
that
there
is
possibilities
of
forming
some
van
pools.,
and
so
that
would
be
another
way
in
which
we
could,.
You
know,
use
some
of
that
revenue
to
to
help
the
employees
with
with
getting
to
work..
So
those
are
3
specific
modifications,
that,
we're
looking
at.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
then
staff
will
get
to
work
on.,
okay,
for
the
2024
season..
What
are
we
actually
gonna
be
doing?,
and
so
that
will
be
a
process
to
to
design
that,
you
know,
prior
to
implementation
of
the
2024
camp
season.,
and
so
there
would
be
opportunities,.
I
think,
for
the
board
of
trustees.
our
transportation
advisory
board
to
weigh
in
on
the
specifics,
you
know,
of
that
design.
really,,
the
the.
G
G
Osbt:,
as
well
as
the
direct
transit.
or
is
that
a
second
different
suite
of
questions
that
wouldn't
be
resolved
by
before
the
end
of
the
year?
yeah,
ii
think
it.
that
may
be
more
difficult,
because,.
You
know,,
unless
the
city
was
comfortable
with
extending
the
parking
management
of
of
the
camp
program
without
expanding
the
free
shuttle
component.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:,
the
city,
could
say,
you
know,
we're
going
to
charge
for
parking
at
the
park
and
in
the
neighborhood
an
expanded
way.,
but
we're
only
going
to
provide
the
shuttle
during
the
the
you
know.
What
is
now
the
current
camp
season,.
You
know
that
is
a
question,.
You
know.,
that's
a
big
policy
question
for
us
to
consider.,
but
I
think
really,.
If,
if
we
want
to
expand
the
camp
season,
you
know.
ii,
think
you
know
our
our
staff
is,,
you
know..
How
could
we
provide
direct.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
transit
access
and
move
beyond
that
park
and
ride
model.,
and
so
that
would
really
be
in
that
that
larger
feasibility
study.
that
could
take
place,
you
know,,
while
we're
while
we're
thinking
about
the
2024
season,
and
in
in
designing
and
implementing
and
getting
ready
for
next
year.,
we
can
also,
simultaneously,
you
know,,
conducting
this
larger
feasibility,
work
to
to
really
think
of
about
the
the
future
of
camp.
Beyond
that
2024
season.
G
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Osbt:,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
taking
into
account
the
the
broader
community
in
in
that,-
and
it
seems
like
it
may
be-
a
limited
data
set
from
those
who
might
have
responded
from
the
tdm
survey..
But
I
that
is
a
question
that
I
have
for.
You
is
like,.
How
many
people
did
respond?
is
it?
52.?
Is
it
5,520?.
E
Osbt:,
you
know
the
kinds
of
people
who
responded.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
chautauqua.
While
I
was
on
the
board
there,,
and
I
know
that
there
are
a
number
of
house
cleaners
who
who
work
there?,
who
who
don't
speak
english??
Are
they
being
encouraged?
besides
this,?
Besides
the
survey
re
that
are
posted
in
the
shuttles
and
in
the
buildings?
are,,
are
we
providing
are
really
inviting
them
to
respond
to
that?
and
are?
Are
they
also
in
spanish?.
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
well,.
I
know
we
well,.
We
have
a
number
of
staff
people
that
have
come
on
that
can
respond
to
some
questions..
I
know
sam
wants
to
respond
to
the
the
parking
data.,
but
let
me
first
say
that?
yes,
I
mean
out
of
you
know..
We
provided
the
survey
for
the
employees
at
chautauqua
in
both
english
and
spanish,,
and
work
directly
with
their
hr
people
to
get
people
to
respond.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
granted,-
these
are
these-
are
questionnaires.
they're,
not
statistically
valid
surveys..
We
know
that
we
know
that
surveys
on
be
heard.
boulder
are
not
statistically
valid.
they're
more
like
a
kind
of
a
weather.
Vein,
give
us
a
give
us
indications
of
what
they
are.,
but,
but
we
did
have
english
and
spanish.
O
P
Samantha
bromberg,
cob:
sure,
I'd
be
happy
to
thanks,
michelle,
for
your
question.
thanks,
chris.
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
points:
here.
the
revenue
that
was
reported
on
that
170,000.
actually,.
That's
only
the
paid
parking
revenue
that
doesn't
include
citation
revenue..
We
don't
generally
report
on
citation
revenue
because
we're
enforcing
more
from
a
safety
perspective
than
as
to
generate
revenue..
So
that's
why
it
wasn't
included
in
those
numbers.
actually.
P
Samantha
bromberg,
cob:.
We
do
issue
about
2,000
to
3,000
on
average
citations
a
year
in
chautauqua.,
so
if
all
of
that
was
actually
collected,,
it
come
to
about
60,000..
But
generally
that's
not
the
case..
We
turn
all
those
citations
right
over
to
municipal
courts,,
and
so
some
of
those
might
be
waived..
All
kinds
of
different
things
can
happen
from
there.,
so
definitely
not
anywhere
close
to
$105,000
per
year
in
citations
for
sure.
and
then,.
As
for.
P
P
P
Samantha
bromberg,
cob:,
as
long
as
you're
a
resident
of
the
area.
you're,
pretty
much
eligible
to
purchase
a
permit.,
you
do
have
to
provide
a
vehicle
registration
and
a
couple
and
and
basically
a
docu,
some
kind
of
document
that
supports
your
residency
of
the
area..
So
that
could
be
like
a
utility
bill.
or
you
know
something
to
that.
Effect,
at
least.
P
E
E
Q
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
I'll
make
it.
frances
boulding:.
It
will
say,
kind
of
related
to
that
question..
We
did
look
at
ridership
of
the
shuttle
compared
to
chill
counts
on
any
given
day,,
and
there
was
a
really
low
correlation
between
them,
which
was
to
me
a
little
bit
surprising,
like
it
ranged
between
2
and
80%
of
shuttle
riders
to
number
of
people
on
our
trail..
So
I
think,
there's
just
a
broad
range
day
to
day.
it's
good
to
keep
in
mind.
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
right
now
we're
at
about
chris
hagelin,
cob:,
just
under
500
average
daily
rides
on
the
shuttle.,
so
it
went
down,
you
know,
during
covid
one,,
you
know,
people,
weren't
traveling
as
much
people,,
and
there
were
limitations
on
the
number
of
seats
that
could
be
occupied
on
the
shuttle
during
covid,
but
we
are
seeing
it
increase.,
but
w.,
but
we're
still
not
back
at
the
the
actual
number.
ii
can
look
up
what
the
the
total
number
of
trips
is
to..
If
you're
like
that,
information?.
E
E
O
O
E
E
E
Osbt:
very
often,
unfortunately,
as
a
community
and
there
are.
there
are
even
non
deadly
crashes
around
here..
I
have
some
concerns
about
me
ensuring
that
if
we
are
going
to
provide
these
b
cycles,,
which
I
think,
is
wonderful,
but
ensuring
that
they
are
off,,
they're
directed
off
of
baseline
and
through
the
neighborhood,,
possibly
through
the
south.
E
E
E
A
Brady
robinson:
brady,
did
you
want
to?
yeah,
I've
got
it.
just
a
a
few,
more
quick
questions,
and
I'll.
Try
not
to
belabor
this.
it
does.
the
table
on
agenda.
item
5
b.
page
4.
does
explicitly
say
that
those
numbers
include
paid
parking
and
citations,.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
different
than
what
you're
understanding
with
sam.,
but.
B
B
B
B
B
Brady
robinson:
there's
a
way
to
more
clearly
delineate?.
I
mean.,
I
don't
know
if
a
flashing
red
light,
when
we're
charging
people
for
parking
is
over
the
top,,
but
somehow
making
it
clear
when
it's
in
effect,
and
when
it's
not,
and
that's
a
suspicion.
I
have
that.
I'm
not
the
only
one
that
it
has
some
confusion,
or.
B
B
Brady
robinson:,
it's
resulting
in
allegedly
a
lot
of
citation
revenue..
Is
that
unusual?
or
is
it
just
like,
yeah,?
It's
just
like
people
blow
parking
rules,
all
the
time.,
that's
just
the
way
it
is..
My
suspicion
would
be
that's
more
than
the
average
number
of
violations
for
the
same
area
in
other
parts
of
the
city..
I
could
be
wrong.
O
O
O
Chris
hagelin,
cob:
charging
for
parking
in
our
downtown
over
the
years,,
while
also
providing
an
eco.
pass
through
the
the
master
ecopass
contract
has
significantly
changed
travel
behavior
in
our
our
downtown..
So
it's
usually
a
combination
of
not
only
charging
to
park,
but
also
providing
a
viable
option
to
driving
alone..
That's
when
it
works
most
effectively
so
by
us
charging
for
parking,,
but
then
also
providing.
O
O
P
Samantha
bromberg,
cob:
yeah,,
just
another
note
on
the
on
the
performance
based
pricing
and
then
on
the
citation..
So
we
actually
just
implemented
performance
based
pricing.
This
year,
downtown
as
our
first
area.
and
we're
we're
studying
the
effects
of
that.
we're
going
back.
Within.
ip
update
to
council
this
fall..
So
we're
actually
gonna
see
what
the
direct
change
was
from
the
50
cent
increase
that
happened
on
the
most
high
demand
blocks
downtown.
So
hopefully.
P
P
As
to
the
citations,
samantha
bromberg,
cob:,
you
know,
camp
is
a
a
managed
parking
area..
What
that
means
is
that
we
enforce
it
regularly..
So
it's
not
gonna.
Look
like
an
area
of
the
city
that
we
don't
enforce
regularly,
one
that
doesn't
have
any
managed
parking
at
all..
We
do
enforce
every
day
of
the
camp
season.,
not
all
of
the
citations
or
failure
to
pay.,
there's,
definitely
citations
that
can
be
issued,
for
for
example,
blocking
driveways..
It's
a
really
really
common
concern
and
complaint
that
we
get
from
the
neighbors.
P
Samantha
bromberg,
cob:,
you
know,,
they
can't
back
out
of
their
driveway,
and
that
can
that
can
cause
a
whole
host
of
issues
for
those
neighbors..
So
that's
a
pretty
common
one
we
get
in.
chautauqua
is
the
blocked
driveway,
parking
too
close
to
a
crosswalk
parking
too
close
to
a
stop
sign..
Those
are
safety
issues
where
you
know,
a
vehicle
can't
see
a
pedestrian
trying
to
cross
the
street,
so
that
creates
conflict..
Those
are
really
important
things
for
us
to.
P
P
Q
Frances
boulding:,
I
just
wanted
to
have
you.
brady,,
you
mentioned
about
confusion
around
the
signage,
and
when
the
season
is
in
place,
and
that
is,,
I
don't
think
you're
alone,
and
we've
heard
that
feedback
broadly
and
especially
from
our
staff
at
the
ranger
cottage,.
In
terms
of
what
they're
responding
to
for
visitors.
and
that's
something.
also,,
we
considered
a
little
bit
through
this
evaluation
and.
Q
P
Samantha
bromberg,
cob:
yeah,
absolutely.
we're
actually
updating
a
lot
of
the
other
signage
throughout
the
city.
This
year
we
held
off
on
camp
specifically
because
we
weren't
sure
what
the
outcomes
of
these
evaluation
were
going
to
be.
once
we
know
what
those
outcomes
are.
we're
hoping
to
get
that
signage
updated
next
year..
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
clear..
It
is
challenging..
I
mean,
weekends
and
holidays
between
memorial
day
and
labor.
Day
is
kind
of
hard
for
some
folks
to
understand.
P
O
C
Osbt:
ii,
don't
really
have
questions.
just
a
few
comments.,
just
the
feedback
that
staff's
asking
for..
So
on
the
the
signage
issue.
you
know.,
maybe
memorial
day
to
labor
day.,
not
a
lot,,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
people,
different
cultures.
Visiting.,
you
know,
it's
hard
for
some
people
to
know
what
american
holidays
are,
for
example,
and
what's
on
the
last.
C
C
C
Osbt:
put
the
sign,
up,
install
the
bolt,,
you
know,,
and
then
everybody
sees
it
for
that
portion
of
the
year,
and
then
you
take
it
and
just
flip
it
down,
and
it's
just
another
piece
of
the
management.
it's,
you
know,,
something
just
to
make
it
really
clear
would
be
good.
and
so
getting
to
the
question
about
whether
we
wanna
expand
camp
season.
C
C
Osbt:
you
know,
after
september,
you
know,
before
memorial
day
winter
parking
utilization
in
the
neighborhood
is
70,
and
it's
50%
during
high
season,,
because
the
camp
program
is
working
so
well.,
so
yeah,.
If
I
live
there,
I'd
love
that.
you
know.
the
summer
is
when
I
can
most
easily
park
right
in
front
of
my
house,.
So
why
wouldn't
I
want
that
year?
Around?.
C
Osbt:,
but
I
don't
see
that
there's
really
a
a
open
space
benefit
or
a
benefit
to
chautauqua's,
guiding
principles
of
expanding
that
season
beyond
that
which
it
already
is..
So
I
would.,
I
would
suggest
that
you
know,,
to
the
extent
that
we
do
change
it.
and
it's
not
memorial
day
to
labor
day,,
but
it's
absolute
dates.,
I'd
like
to
see
june
first
to
september
first,,
and
if
we're
trying
to,
you
know.
C
C
Osbt:,
because
ii,
don't
think
people
can
tell..
You
know
there's
no
sign
on
the
park
mobile
app.
That
tells
you
what
you're
gonna
pay,
you
just
park.,
and
then
you
find
out.
oh,,
that's
$4
and
35
cents,,
and
if
it
was
$6
and
55
cents,
I'd
still
end
up
paying
it
because
I've
already
parked..
So
you
know,,
I
think,
if
we're
making
revenue.
C
C
Osbt:
and
then
strong.
yes,
to
commuter
permits,,
maybe
even
with
subsidies.,
and
for
anybody
who
works
in
the
npp
area,,
not
just
chautauqua
employees.,
but
you
know,.
If,
if
you
need
to
get
there
by
private
automobile
and
you
work
there
year,
round.
and
then
suddenly,
you
know,,
you've
got
to
park.
6
blocks
away
for
3
months
of
the
year.
C
Osbt:
you
know.
I'd
rather
see
those
people
have
an
opportunity
to
pay
for
a
parking
permit
for
the
summer
season,
and
given
that
parking
utilizations
only
50
in
the
summer
season
and
70
and
the
rest
of
the
year.,
I
think
there's
some
headroom
there
to
let
the
local
people
who
need
those
parking
spots
to
let
the
workers
who
need
those
parking
spots,
get
into
those
parking
spots
year,
around.,
and
then
I
would
say
yes.
C
C
Osbt:,
what
tdm
strategies.!
I
think
that
something
you
you
guys
have
professional
chops..
You
can
work
on
that,
and
you've
heard
people's
concerns.,
but
I
love
the
idea
of
using
some
of
the
the
revenue
to
build
out
better
tdm
strategies
as
part
of
the
reauthorization
of
the
camp
program..
So
you
know,
in.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
A
A
Osbt:
our
purview.
osbt:,
and
so
I
would
appreciate
it
if
well,
let
me,
francis,
before
you
get
get
in.
I
guess
I
will
say
that
we
can
certainly
take
a
vote
or
do
a
head
nod
and
say,
yeah,.
We
think
it
ought
to
continue
or
or
not,
or
to
be
more
fair,
or
whatever.,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
is
that.
A
Q
Q
Frances
boulding:
that
question
of
benefit
to
open
space,
the
main
goal
of
campus
to
provide
provide
options
for
equitable
access
to
a
really
special
and
iconic
place
in
our
system.,
not
necessarily
to
increase
the
amount
of
people
going
there.
or
you
know,.
All
of
the
neighborhood
livability
or
parking
demand
issues..
So
you
know,
and
I
think
in
the
evaluation.
Q
Q
Frances
boulding:
to
talk
with
focus
survey
in
2016
before
the
camp
pilot
started,
and
then
as
we'll
get
into
in
our
next
presentation,,
we're
now
doing.
these
ongoing
visitor
surveys..
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
information.
you
know..
We
know
that
visitation
to
the
chat
area
has
remained
pretty
steady.
Displacement
is
higher
than
some
of
our
some
of
the
rest
of
our
system..
Q
Q
Q
Frances
boulding:
outcomes
being
recorded
from
kind
of
the
visitor
experience,
questions
that
we
ask..
So
in
my
mind,
the
question
on
the
table
is,,
the
main
question
is
to
continue
or
not
to
continue
and
not
really
doesn't
make
a
case
to
me
that
there's
a
reason
to
discontinue
something
that
does
seem
to
be
working.
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
broader
questions
of.
Q
Q
D
Osbt:
yeah,
yeah.
ca,
can
I
ask,?
Can
I
ask
a
follow-on
to
that?
francis??
Do
you
get
a
sense
that
there
would
be
any
benefits
to
the
open
space
program
in
chaco
in
general,
by
expanding
the
the
camp
season.?
I
guess
you
know
my
take
away.
Was
you're,
saying
like,
hey,
right
now,,
you
know
it's
either
net
neutral,,
maybe
a
little
bit
positive
to
have
it,
you
know.,
but
giving
these
other
transportation
options,.
Do
we
get
a
sense
that
expanding
it
would,
you
know,,
offer
more
benefits.
Q
Frances
boulding:
use
that
area
and
get
to
it.
that
I
think,
by
exploring
kind
of
a
broader,,
more
holistic
transit
model
would
really
simplify
how
people
could
get
to
an
area
which
I
think,
would
increase,
who
uses
it?.
We
commonly
see
that
the
more
you
simplify
something
the
better
kind
of
compliance
and
acceptance
you
get.,
but.
Q
Frances
boulding:
you
know,.
We
are
having
these
challenges
that
prompted
us
to
do
the
camp
pilot
in
other
parts
of
our
system,
and
both,
you
know,
within
city
limits
and
in
boulder
county..
So
we've
got
several
of
these
park
and
red
shuttle
models
running
as
well..
So
this
is
kind
of
an
opportunity
to
take
what
we've
learned
from
camp
and
see
if
there's
like
efficiencies.
in
applying
that
broader
throughout
access
to
the
open
space
system.
E
E
E
E
A
A
A
E
C
D
D
C
B
A
B
B
Q
Frances
boulding:
we.,
so
I
just
wanna
clarify
the
survey
work
that
was
done
to
understand
different
opinions
around
camp
and
so
to
to
get
feedback
from
visitors
who
might
not
visit
during
the
camp
season,
or
when
the
shuttle
is
actually
running,.
We
do
run.
the
visitor
surveys
at
chautauqua
over
the
last
2
years.
Q
Q
Frances
boulding:
people
who
maybe
no
longer
visit
chautauqua..
That's
what
these
open
participation
questionnaires
like
the
beaver
boulder
results
that
we
shared
already
targeted
at,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
targeted
at
people
riding
the
shuttle
or
going
to
the
ranger
cottage..
But
it's
also
tapping
into
the
city's
big
communication
network
like
it
goes
out
and
open
space
field
notes.
the
big
list
of
email.
Q
Frances
boulding:
so
and
then
all
the
targeted
equity
outreach,
along
with
comparison
of
kind
of
survey,
results,
demographics
to
census
demographics
in
our
community..
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
bit
of
that
background.
In
case
there
was
any
confusion
around
it.
and
then
please
feel
free
to
continue.
A
A
A
Q
Frances
boulding:
and
trying
to
pull
up
this
to
talk,
with,,
say,,
specific
results.,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
successful
right
now,
unless
anna
wants
to
jump
in.,
but
we
do
measure
crowding,
separately.
and
crowding
is
not
showing
up
as
a
major
concern
that
should
talk
about
the
displacement
is
higher
than
other
parts
of
our
system..
But
I
think
it's
also
worth
pointing
out
that.
Q
Q
B
A
C
A
C
A
O
G
G
Osbt:
public
opinion
and
visitor
experience,
survey,
or
wanna
what
your
whistle
on
year,
one
of
what
would
be
a
2
year
study
with
a
lot
of
comprehensive
stuff
later
to
come,,
but
thought
you
would
be
have
some
interest
in
knowing
what
we're
starting
to
learn..
So
I'm
gonna
turn
things
over
to
heather
and
we'll
get
started.
M
Osbt:
so
tonight,
dean
van
der
woody,,
the
human
dimensions
manager
for
osmp
and
heidi
heidi,
c.
sorry,
heidi
seidel.,
human
dimensions.
analysts
will
present
information
on
the
overall
project,
as
well
as
preliminary
results
from
the
first
first
year
of
the
2
year,
project,
the
second
year
of
data
collection,
just
wrapped
up
in
the
last
few
weeks,
and
so
full
project
resort
results
will
be
presented
next
year.
R
R
Heidi
seidel:
alright,
great!,
thank
you
so
much,
heather
for
the
introduction..
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
providing
us
the
opportunity
for
the
human
dimensions
team
to
come
share
our
2021,
2023.
public
opinion
and
visitor
experience,
survey
preliminary
year,,
one
highlights.
and
as
heather
mentioned.,
we're
gonna,
be
referring
to.
R
R
Heidi
seidel:,
we
have
a
lot
of
individuals
who
contributed
to
this
project..
I'm
not
gonna,
go
through
them
all
individually,,
but
we
wanna
collectively
say
thank
you
to
all
involved,
from
our
human
dimensions,
team
members
to
our
leadership
team,
to
our
public
participants..
This
wouldn't
have
been
possible
without
everyone's
contribution..
So
thank
you
so
much.
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R
Heidi
seidel:
next
slide,
please.,
heidi
seidel:.
We
want
you
to
keep
in
mind
that
today,
and
in
our
year
one
summary..
We
are
just
sharing
preliminary
year.
One
highlights
in
2024
we'll
be
sharing
a
full
2021
to
2023
post
final
project,
report,,
which
will
be
a
more
in
depth,,
deeper
dive
into
visitor
survey,
trends
and
comparisons
over
time,,
including
incorporating
data
from
previous
visitors,
survey.
Iterations.
R
R
Heidi
seidel:,
post
2021
to
2023,
with
2
survey,
instruments,
the
recreation
research
questionnaire
and
the
land
management
questionnaire
through
combining
and
integrating
content
that
was
historically
included
in
various
individual
surveys
into
one
comprehensive
project..
It
provides
us
the
opportunity
to
gain
a
deeper
understanding
and
ability
to
speak
to
many
subject:
matters,
both
independently
and
relationally..
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
Heidi
seidel:,
there
are
3
primary
question
categories..
These
include
visitor
characteristics.
trip
characteristics
and
rating
experiences
and
preferences.
Underneath
each
category
you
can
see
a
few
examples
of
the
types
of
question
bank
themes,,
yet
they're,
not
inclusive.
Of
all
the
question
bank
themes
asked
under
each
category.
R
R
R
Heidi
seidel:,
we
also
wanna,
emphasize
that
there
are
numerous
topics
that
were
first
time:
question
banks
as
well,
meaning..
We've
never
asked
these
questions
on
any
questionnaire
before..
So
we're
really
looking
forward
to
sharing
our
data,
not
only
here
tonight,
but
with
other
osmp
work.
Groups.
R
R
R
R
Heidi
seidel:
visitation,
levels,,
trail
types,,
including
designated
or
undesignated
trails
and
pedestrian
and
multi-use
trails
and
all
types
of
recreation.
Is
our
sampling,,
provided
us
the
opportunity
to
survey
across
our
entire
system,
accurately
representing
day
to
day,,
or
maybe
I
should
say,
morning
to
evening
recreation
experiences
on
osmp.
R
R
Heidi
seidel:
and
when
I
say
extensive
visually.,
I
want
to
share
the
183
sites
throughout
the
whole.
Open
space
and
mountain
park
system
we
surveyed
at
was
a
huge
undertaking
for
all
involved.
but
again,.
I
really
wanna
thank
our
research
technicians
who
conducted
all
these
survey
sessions,,
mind
you,
rain
or
shine
in
the
cold,
of
winter
heat
of
summer,
and
everything
in
between..
They
were
out
there
surveying.
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Deonne
vanderwoude:,
I
would
say,
when
we
haven't
done
the
open,
ended.
coding..
That
was
one
of
the
things
we'll
get
to
for
2024,.
Just
doing
a
very
quick
look
in
the
conversation
as
it
was
going,
this
evening.
it
looks
to
be
a
little
over
2
close
to
3%
of
the
overall
sample
that
are
reporting
chautauqua
as
an
area
of
displacement.
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S
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S
S
Deonne
vanderwoude:
sorry
community
surveys
other
than
the
one
that
they
were
participating
on
the
day
that
we
collected
this
data,
or
it
could
be
a
formal
request
for
community
feedback
via
email..
Any
sort
of
thing
where
open,
space,,
more
or
less,
is
the
sponsor
or
host.,
and
it's
more
of
a
formal.
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Heidi
seidel:
yeah.
and
I
can
chime
in
with
that
as
well.
exactly,
dan,.
What
you
said
and
one
example
just
from
this
evening,
was
the
marshall
mesa
redesign,
and
looking
at
that,.
So
if
you
recall
that
the
beginning
of
that
presentation.,
they
shared
some
of
our
hd
visitation,
data.
and
again,.
Just
one
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
they're
considering
when
they're
looking
at
that
project.
A
osbt:?
So
so
I
think
that
we
ought
to
probably
figure
out
what
they're
doing,
are
they
not
picking
up.
Poop,
are
they?,
you
know,,
we
picking
up
poop
and
leaving
it,
you
know,
along
the
trail,
or
kind
of
what's
happening
out
there
where
people
would
respond,.
I
think,
you
know,
in
an
unbiased
fashion
that
now
we're
not
using
them.
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Osbt:
use
trails.
osbt:,
well,
29%
said
they
didn't..
So
what
are
the
29%
doing
out
there?,
and
so
that's
what
I
think
that
you
know,
following
up
on
what
brady
said,
that
you
know,
as
far
as
some
of
the
helpful
analysis
for
both
staff
and
board,
would
be
to
follow
up
on
some
of
these
things
and
pursue
them.
a
little
more
detail.
That
kind
of
flesh,
out.,
okay.
A
S
Deonne
vanderwoude:
problem
that
we
learned
kind
of
deonne
vanderwoude:
very
long
into
the
data
collection,
process.,
there's
a
handful
of
things
that
was
learning,.
You
know,
obviously,
2
years
data
collection.
there
were
things
that
were
working
things
that
weren't
working
with
the
public..
We
do
have
a
handful
of
things,
such
as
that
particular
data.
Point
that
we're
gonna
have
a
revamp
of
the
design
in
the
2024
on.