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Alison
ecklund
(she/her):
and
in
order
to
speak
tonight
during
the
public
comment
portion,,
we
will
need
a
full
name
if
you've
joined
by
phone
or
phone
number,.
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can
message
me
in
the
chat
and
I
can
rename
you
or
you
can
rename
yourself,,
but
we
will
need
a
full
name
before
we
can
ask
you
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:,
which
is
mutually
beneficial
to
each
agency
and
to
the
public
that
we
serve
the
rangers
work
closely
with
boulder
pd
by
training
together
by
working
together
when
handling
emergencies
and
when
responding
to
all
sorts
of
calls
for
service,.
So
I
personally
on
behalf
of
the
department.
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Brian
buma:,
just
a
little
bit
of
background,
we're
primarily
focused
on
carbon,
the
effect
of
carbon
with
treatments
and
without
treatments,
and-
and
I
promise,
this
is
the
only
like
schematic
graph
and
well.
The
next
slide
actually
to
choose
can
manifest
and
there's
a
couple
of
ways,
or
fires
can
impact.
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Brian
buma:,
so
what
is
the
data
look
like?
Well,
we
have
like
in
terms
of
grass,,
if
you
go
out
there
and
look
in
terms
of
just
grass
coming
like,
are
we
promoting
more
grass
by
thinning
and
prescribed
burning
or
thinning.
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Brian
buma:,
so
it's
a
big,
it's
a
big
map,.
You
know
it
shows
a
nice
spectrum
of
severity.
You
don't
want
to
read
too
much
into
satellite
derived
metrics
of
a
fire
severity
because
they
really
are
just
looking
from
above,.
You
know
you
really
have
to
get
out
of
the
ground
and
see
what
it
looks.
Like.
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Brian
buma:
to
are
trying
to
model
ecosystem
carbon
on
our
plots
only
with
remote
sensing,
so
like
what
it
looks
like
from
space
like
how
how
severe
the
burn
was,
the
you
know
the
color
of
the
landscape,
you
know,
in
terms
of
like
how
green
it
is.
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Brian
buma:,
in
many
times
they
work
together.
Well,
sometimes
it's
a
little
more
challenging,,
especially
if
a
large
proportion
of
the
carbon
in
the
soil,,
because
that's
such
a
hard
thing,
you
just
can't
see
it
from
space,.
There
are
other
remote
sensing
tools
that
have
been
used
before,
like
lidar.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:.
I
have
a
quick
question
also
just
briefly,
as
I
parse
through
all
the
data
you
present
I'm
going
to
say
a
statement
of
what
I
took
away,.
Will
you
verify
if
it's
correct
or
not.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
wellness.
We
will
certainly
take
note
of
that
and
either
come
back
in
a
written
memo
or
come
back
with
another
presentation
on
some
of
the
interest
areas
of
yours.
So
just
a
little
context.
Setting
for
what
the
purpose
for
tonight
was
and
with
that
I'll
turn
things
over
to
lisa.
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Amanda,
bch,
she/her:
we've
got
people
up
and
moving,
we've
got
them
feeling
safer
in
their
environment,,
and
this
is
where
the
real
work
can
be
done,.
The
sensory
input
can
be
truly
felt
by
the
individual,,
the
community
building
the
emotional
development,.
This
is
how
people
grow,-
and
this
is
how
we've
seen
people.
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David
ford,
(he,
him):
redefine
my
way
of
public
engagement
and
how
we
can
take
a
close
look
at
open
space
and
non
parks
and
really
the
true.
So
many
of
the
true
values
that
it
has
to
our
community,.
While
we
are
so
address,
community
needs
and
really
looking
forward
to
what's
coming
in
the
future,
with
that.
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Rick
shaw:
and,,
as
someone
who
has
experienced
childhood
trauma
and
getting
back
into
nature,
has
allowed
me
to
also
kind
of
get
back
in
touch
with
myself
and
this
program
at
first,.
I
was
a
little
bit
nervous
because
I'm
not.
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Caroline
miller,
osbt:
really
stems
out
and
gives
a
lot
of
hope,
along
with
it,.
So
I
really
thank
you
guys
for
everything
that
you're
doing
and
appreciate
the
extension
of
invite
to
be
able
to
join
your
program
and
kind
of
look
and
see
more
of
what
you
were
doing
and
I'd
be
very
interested
in
doing
that..
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
thanks
dan.
Can
you
all
hear
me.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
over
six
with
the
snp
and
I'm
lucky
to
have
experience
at
the
federal
state,
county
and
municipal
levels
of
government,
as
well
as
with
two
prestigious
lamb
trusts.
So
that's
a
little
bit
my
related
background
and
I
wanted
to
open
it
up
to
matt
to
give
his
a
little
bit
about
him.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
of
the
bundle
of
legal
rights
and
interests
in
a
piece
of
property
often
referred
to
as
a
bundle
of
sticks,
a
landowner,
may
exercise
or
sell
or
give
away
the
sticks.
Where
examples
include
the
right
to
construct
buildings,
to
subdivide
the
land,
to
restrict
access
or
to
obstruct
views.
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bethany
collins:.
So
how
are
these
agreements
similar?
They
have
a
lot
of
similarities
of
their.
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Matt
ashley,
cob:.
These
are
also
the
subsequent
owners
of
the
underlying
property
going
forward
through
the
years
and
whenever
there's
a
new
owner,,
we
do
an
introduction
meeting
to
kind
of
go
over
this
presentation,
we're
giving
you
guys
right,
now,
and
how
to
help
help
them,
be
a
good
steward
of
the
land.
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Matt
ashley,
cob:-
and
we
try
to
do
this
proactively
by
kind
of
engaging
in
that
communication
and
having
that
ongoing
conversation
with
them.
So
they
feel
they
feel
at
ease.
Coming
to
us
state
ask
these
questions
so
some
good
examples,.
We
need
a
utility
easement
cross,
the
conservation,
agreement.
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Matt
ashley,
cob:
the
construction
of
structures
that
are
not
permitted
under
the
conservation
agreement.
Typically,
these
are
things
like
an
agricultural
building
like
a
loafing
shed
or
maybe
like
a
gazebo
or
a
patio
kind
of
a
structure
like
that.
So
those
are
just
some
examples
of
potential
violations.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
amendments
and
disposals
can
also
be
an
avenue
to
resolving
violations,
updating
old
or
ambiguous
agreements
to
current
standards,,
protecting
additional
valuable
land
or
important
resources,
while
maintaining
or
enhancing
the
original
intent
and
conservation
objectives.
Next
slide,
please.
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bethany
collins:
over
basically
the
last
three
or
four
decades.
Basically,
so
we
have
a
couple
of
few
that
are
two
to
three
page
documents
and
yes
they're.
You
know
they're
they're.,.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
refers
to
colorado,
revised
statutes,.
It
refers
to
conservation
values.
Things
like
that
fast
forward
to
the
the
conservation
easement
we
just
did,
for
a
long
garden.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
kind
of
that
all
encompassing
or
flexibility
and
language,
so
so
they're
they're
getting
better
and
better.
I
think
and
dan.
I
know
you
want
to
jump
in
on
this.
Having
agree.
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Dave
kuntz,
osbt:
we
see,
for
example.
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bethany
collins:,
but
it,,
but
we
do-
and
I
slid
that
in
just
to
make
sure
you
know,
we
accounted
for
all
of
our
conservation
easements
that
are
man,
monitored
and
and
stewarded
annually.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:,
but
they
they're
the
way
they're
set
up
or
a
little
confusing,,
so
we
do
have,.
I
believe
so,.
Three
of
them
were
it's
just
a
small
residential
portion
of
the
property
that
are
that
are
remain
in
a
life
estate
to
the
private
landowners,.
I
mean
that
their
original
sellers
does
that
help.
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Caroline
miller,
osbt:,
hey,
thank
you
guys
for
the
presentation,
so
I
guess
my
clarifying
question
is,.
I
feel
a
bit
confused.
I
guess
what
I
thought
was
going
to
be
presented
to
us.
Was.
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Caroline
miller,
osbt:
a
pastor,
historical
way
of
doing
the
easements
and
then
an
updated
version.
I
feel,
like
I'm
kind
of
hearing,
that
each
easement
is
going
to
have
their
own
specifics,,
but
I
guess
in
my
head,
I
thought
that
there
was
like
you
know,
federal
guidelines
or
tax
guidelines
that
have
been.
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Caroline
miller,
osbt:
renewed
in
the
past
couple
of
years,,
and
that
is
what
is
making
our
department
need
to
update
them.
I
feel
like
we
were
talking
a
lot
about
the
baseline,
the
annual
baseline
reports.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
yeah
and
I
don't
know
if
dan
wants
to
jump
in
so
we
were
asked
to
do
kind
of
an
overview
of
our
easement
monitoring
and
stewardship
program.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:,
so
again,,
if
there,,
so
we
have,
we
have
kind
of
two
guiding.
I
guess
you
could
say
documents
or
avenues
for
amending
one
of
these
agreements.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
their.
It
adds
a
huge
layer
of
complexity,
to
look
at
if
you
are,
you
know,
to
acquire
them
first
of
all,,
but
also
to
amend
or
dispose
or
anything
like
that
to
do
any
changes,
you
have
to
you
have
to
maintain.
You
know
the
the
the
charitable
intent
and
things
like
that.
So
yeah.
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Cob,
bethany
collins:
right.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
them.
I
think
what
you're
referencing
so
a
few
things
the
state
there,
there
have
been
changes
to
the
state,
tax,
credit
and
state
law
in
recent
years..
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
yeah
right
now,
the
only
guidance
of
how
we
coordinate
the
request
for
licensing
disposal
is
by
using
that
easement
amendment
policy,,
so
it
really
is,
is
trying
to
be
very
specifically
applicable
to
what
process,
do
we
want
to
go
through
for
licensing
disposals
and
so
up.
You
know.
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Caroline
miller,
osbt:
to
move
forward.
So
if
you
would
like
us
to
give
you
that
and
more
like
a
real
updated
time
to,
if
there's
anything
that
you
would
like
to
see
before
the
january
meeting,,
we
can
certainly
cater
to
that
as
well,.
So
just
let
us
know
what
you
need,
and
I
am
happy
to
provide
it.
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dave,
kuntz,,
osbt:
and
then
we'll
board
members
will
respond
with
additional
suggestions
or
comments
yep
and
then
we'll
schedule
board
discussion
at
the
january
meeting.
Yeah.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:,
it's
on
article
for.
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Michelle
estrella
(she,,
her),
osbt:,
where
we're
really
taking
minutes,
and
as
long
as
that's
the
case,
that's
I
mean
that's
fine,
because
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
would
take
minutes
and
regular.
You
know
in
retreats
or
study
sessions,
and
but
then
that
also
means
like
a
record
of
all
studies,
plans.
Reports.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
I
think
it's
you
know,.
We
have
more
work
to
do
on
that,,
but
good
for
us
to
make
a
mental
note.
I
also
from
my
side,,
where
we
left
off
was
with
caroline
thinking
over
the
comments
I
had
made
in
my
own
personal
thinking.
I
don't
want
to
force
a
vote
or
an
issue.
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Dan
burke;,
cob,
osmp:
and
and
and
it
could
be,
you
could
bring
them
out
to
the
field
as
well,,
so
it's
sort
of
up
to
the
department,
how
they
want
to
use
that
time.
I
did
check
in
on
that
and,
again,,
just
like
with
this
letter
they're
thinking
of
they
don't
know
how
effective
those
were,,
and
so
they
know.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:
go
for
it.
I
have
two
questions
and
I
don't
want
to
leave
this
topic,
without
asking
them,,
but
I
think
we're
done
with
that.
Are
we
not.
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Caroline
miller,
osbt:.
I
think
it
might
be
something
to
note
as
well,
that
if
council
here's
our
requests
and
reaches
out
to
us,
and
whoever
is
the
people
that
write,
the
letter
might
kind
of
become
the
point
of
contact
may
or
may
not,,
but
just
a
you
know,,
a
product
that
you
know
establishes
itself.
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
so
I
guess
my
point
is,,
I
feel
like
the
open
space
staff
is
plenty
equipped
to
do
a
conceptual
measure,.
This
is
more
about
we're
ready
for
the
city
at
the
highest
level
of
the
finance
department
to
start
thinking
about
unrolling
carbon
accounting.
It's
a
pretty
bold
ask
its
ambitious.
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Michelle
estrella
(she,,
her),,
osbt:
or
issue.,
michelle
estrella,
(she,,
her),,
osbt:,
and
then
it
sort
of
ends
with
specifically
to
initiate
adaptive,
management,
the
staff
and
board
will,,
and
so
you
know
my
question
is
like
a
lot
of
adaptive
management
at
least
twice
on
the
lot.
The
last
example
with
the
signs.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:,
and
I
think
really
that
number
one
point
that
karen's
raising
is
really
that
good
framework
for
larger
issues.
You
know
the
larger
issues
that
have
stakeholder
involvement
that
may
and
ultimately
result
in
policy
change
and
how
we
differentiate
between
that
and
our
sort
of
day
to
day.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
doing
some
significant
adaptive
management
on
voice.
Insight,
like
we
were
talking
about
this
fall,
may
that
those
are
two
different
scales
and,
and
one
is
day
to
day
management
type
stuff
and
the
other
one
is
starts
to
delve
into
stakeholders
and
policy
and
and
other
things,.
So
I.
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Karen
hollweg,
osbt:
because.
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Dan
burke;
cob
osmp:
all
the
everything
why
we
wouldn't
take
an
action,
unless
we
had
some
reason
why
we
were
going
to
do
it
and
that
reason
is
probably
based
on
some
sort
of
continuous
monitoring
which
comes
in
different
forms,
forms
cells,.
But
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
about
this
document
is
is..
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Hal
hallstein,
osbt:,
well,,
wonderful.,
hal,
hallstein,,
osbt:
yeah
and
I
talked
about
item
see
which
is
also
on
your
list
of
things
to
do.
The
application
and
related
guidelines
for
license
and
disposal
requests.
So
you're
also
going
to
be
thinking
about
submitting
written
comments
on
that
between
now
and
the
next
meeting.