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laptop:
I'll
just
do
a
quick
run
through
michelle.,
please
add
anything,
and
then
we'll
we're
gonna
turn
it.
oh,
over
to
dave
to
do
a
brief
ice,
breaker.
and
dave,.
If
you
wanna
just
give
the
board
a
sense
of
the
question,
you'll
be
asking
them
agenda..
So
maybe
people
have
a
few
minutes
to
kind
of
think
about
it.
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kuntz:,
alright,
and
the
agenda
is
before
you,,
so
we
won't
go
through
it
in
detail.,
but
we
have
several
different.
This
topic:
discussions.
we're
gonna
start
off
with
budget
and
the
role
of
the
board
and
budget
development,
and
how
the
board
can
have
a
more
meaningful,,
impactful
voice
and
budget.
Development.-
that's
gonna,
be
led
by
grady
will
be
the
facilitator
for
the
second
morning,
session,,
which
will
be.
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laptop:
later
this
morning.
and
then
we're
gonna
have
a
working
lunch,
and
we'll
talk
about
the
2024.
look
ahead.
You
all
have
in
your
packet
a
sense
from
the
staff
of
things
we
already
know
are
gonna
come
before
the
board
in
some
form
or
fashion,,
and
john
jeff
and
janelle
will
lead
us
through
that
whiteboard
sort
of
brainstorming
exercise
and
prioritization.
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Osbt
laptop:
we're
gonna,
do
a
walk
and
talk.
we're
gonna,
get
out
and
walk
the
trail
here,
where
we
can
look
at
a
wildland
urban
interface
and
talk
about
fuel,
mitigation
and
vegetation
management
and
the
context
of
the
woo..
We
that
first,
what
100
feet
of
private
property
where
we
transition
from
wildland,
and
brian
annika,
is
going
to
help
to
lead
that.
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laptop:
and
a
couple
of
different
sub
topics:
harmon
will
facilitate
the
first
one,
which
will
be
looking
at
values
and
outcomes
that
are
in
various
documents
that
we
pulled
together
and
see
which
ones
of
these
resonate
with
you,
which
ones
are,
are
concerned
for
you,
looking
out
(102)
030-4050
years
from
now,
and
then
dave
will
wrap
it
up.
With,
we're
sort
of
open
discussion
on.
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laptop:
on
conditions
and
issues
and
emerging
issues
that
are
that
could
impact
that
are
impacting
open
space
that
need
to
be
adaptive
or
resilient,
and
just
a
free,
flowing
conversation
that
they
will
help
us
lead
through
there,
and
then
we're
gonna
wrap
it
up..
So
that's
what
you
haven't.!
We
have
in
store
for
you,
today.
and.
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laptop:
sure
happy
to
jump
in
so
osbt
laptop:.
Some
of
you
may
not
know
about
me.
ii
was
a
long
time
boy
scout.,
I'm
actually
eagle
scout.
So
I
grew
up
doing
a
lot
of
camping
with
the
boy
scouts,,
and
that
was
where
I
first
kind
of
learned
to
really
appreciate
nature.
just
being
out
in
it..
You
know
a
lot
of
what
the
boy
scouts
teaches
is:
around,
you
know,
valuable
nature
and
respecting
it.,
and
it
wasn't
until
I
really
got
to
go
to
film
on
scout
ranch
in
new
mexico..
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laptop:
founded
the
field
of
ecological
planning
and
helped
to
start
the
first
earth
day
in
1970,
and
in
a
time
when
public
intellectuals
were
actually
valued
and
and
famous
and
had
a
platform..
He
had
a
television
show
on
cbs
and
primetime
called
man
and
the
environment
in
which
he
interviewed
important
people
important
thinkers
and
talked
to
them
about
environmentalism,,
which
in
1966,
you
know,,
wasn't
exactly.
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laptop:
on
a
lot
of
people's
minds.,
so
it
really
helped
change
people's
consciousness.
in
a
1968
hero,
design
with
nature,,
which
which
changed
the
created,
the
philippines
playing,
and
changed
the
world
from
a
planners
of
landscape,,
architect,
perspective.
and
it
didn't
hurt
that..
He
was
6
foot
4,
and
he
looked
and
sounded
exactly
like
sean
connery.
and
gonna.
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Osbt,
laptop:
and
and
kind
of
went
off
into
the
wilderness
for
about
15,
years,
and
then,.
When
he
came
back,,
he
taught
this
class..
It
was
like
story
time
with
uncle
ian..
It
wasn't
really
a
difficult
class..
It
was
really
just,.
You
know,
helping
people
understand
what?.
You
know
what
he'd
been
trying
to
teach
the
world
for
his
whole
life.
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Osbt
laptop:
and
my
dad
worked
there
as
well,
and
actually
newly
uphold.
oh,
now,
work
with
him..
But
when
I
was
a
kid
I
saw
this
book
on
my
parents,
bookshelf,
and
when
I
was
12
years
old
in
1960,.
I
remember
picking
up
and
starting
to
read
a
sand
county
almanac,
and
I
really
related
to
it,,
because
it
was
all
about
places
that
I
was
very
familiar,
with,
and
actually
lived,
in
which
central
wisconsin.
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laptop:
full
circle.
and
it's
important
to
me,
and
I
think,
all
of
you
would
appreciate
it
as
well.
and
in
1966
the
book
this,.
The
same
county
almanac
was
in
his
son
at
leuna.
leopold,,
who
was
a
prominent
hydrologist
who
works
for
the
united
states.
Geological
survey.
actually,
was
the
person
that
handled
the
the.
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Osbt
laptop:
kick
us
off
just
for
some
ground.
Setting
will
be
mostly
today
for
this
hour
for
conversation.,
but
perfect.
thank
you.
hi,,
my
name's
coin
for
anybody
online
deputy
director
of
central
services.,
sam
mcqueen
is
here
as
well
as
our
budget
senior
manager.
and
and
that's
a
great
introduction
briefing..
So.
G
Osbt
laptop:
you
know,.
This
is
a
very
general
guidance.
that
we
get
in
our
charter
language
in
section
175,,
which
is
the
board's
not
going
to
do
anything
except
these
things,,
and
this
is
a
long
list
of
those
things..
But
the
budget
language
that
we
that
we
have,,
which
is
very
broad
and
open
to
interpretation,
is,,
shall
review
the
city
managers
proposed
budget,
as
it
relates
to
open
space
matters.
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Osbt
laptop:
I've
been
here
8
years
now,
and
what
that
has
meant
has
changed,
and
will
continue
to
evolve.
and
that's
wonderful..
I
think
it's
based
on
the
interest
and
skill
set
of
the
board.
it's
based
on,
where
we're
at
as
a
department
and
for
context,
the
year
that
I
started
was
right
before
the
budget
was
due
and
the
board
saw
it
once,
and
it
was
the
night
you
voted
on
it,
and
that's
not
a
judgment
at
all..
That's
that.,
there's
a
reason
that
it
existed.
That
way.
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laptop:,
when
we
came
in.,
we
were
started.,
we
had
just
finished
west
tsa.
North
tsa
was
on
the
horizon.,
we're
starting
the
master
plan,
and
we
really
wanted
to
start
to
expand.
what
was
presented
and
what
was
reviewed
by
the
board
and
build
a
different
series
of
touches,,
and
we
started
to
review
budget
5
times
a
year..
So
the
focus
at
that
time
was.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
based
on
the
cip
predominantly.,
so
we
did
share
the
operating
budget.,
but
at
the
time
we
just
onboarded
a
new
financial
system
called
munis,
and
the
reporting
capability
of
that
system
was
really
around
project
chartering
and
project
management
of
capital
projects..
So
you
got
a
packet
of
40
60
pieces
of
paper
that
had,
you
know,
a
project
justification,
the
deliverables,,
the
phasing,,
the
timing,,
the
funding
per
year,,
and
our
ask
was
really
for
you
to
be
looking
at
that
project
list.
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Osbt
laptop:
ongoing
services,
and
all
these
other
things
that
we
wanted
to
share..
So,
with
the
adoption
of
the
master
plan,
putting
on
a
new
work
planning,
system,
new
financial
reporting.,
we
tried
to
up
level
even
from
that.
what
we're
presenting
to
this
group
every
year
when
we
come
to
talk
about
the
budget.,
so
we
try
to
slice
things
in
many
different
ways,
based
on
the
focus
areas,,
the
strategies.
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laptop:
how
this
policy
guidance
in
the
master
plan
is
reflected
in
the
budget.,
so
we
still
are
showing
cip.
we're
still
doing
3
touches
on
the
cip
compared
to
2
on
the
operating.,
but
we
wanted
to
sort
of
expand
and
provide
better
data
and
reports
to
you
as
you,
as
you
think,
about
your
role
in
the
budget
is
so.
G
Osbt
laptop:
in
the
past
guiding
questions
as
we
brought
the
budget
to
you
are
things
like,:
do
we
have
the
right
balance
of
investments
across
master
plan
focus
areas??
Are
we
balancing
appropriately
across
the
tiered
strategies
in
the
master
plan??
Are
there
upcoming
policy
or
public
engagement
plans
that
inform
out
your
work,
planning
and
budgeting,
so
that
has
looked
like.
G
Osbt
laptop:
the
your
your
master
plan
engagement.
as
we
built
the
cip
section
of
the
master
plan,
talking
about
how
we
were
going
to
invest.
Money.
prairie
dogs?,
some
specific
topic
areas
that
the
previous
boards
have
been
interested
in,
that
have
guided
out
your
planning.
and
then
we've
asked,.
You
know,
is
the
osb.
supportive
of
the
proposed
project
list,,
where
we're
still
giving
you
that
cip
list
and
asking
if
you
have
any
feedback
on
that.
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Osbt
laptop:,
it's
really
so
the
goal
with
the
budget
is,,
we
submit
a
6
year,
cip
in
a
one
year,
operating
budget.,
and
so,
as
we've
worked
on
our
our
work,
planning.
we've
tried
to
get
to
a
place
of
having
a
2
to
3
year
work
plan
as
a
department
and
showing
like
a
6
year.
Projection
of
our
budget
spend
in
our
capital
projects..
So
our
out.,
your
planning,
is
really
and
I'll
talk
about
strategic
enhancements
in
a
minute.
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laptop:,
and
so
this
is,
these
are,.
This
is
just
one
slide.,
but
this
is
something
we
we
kind
of
slice
and
show,
and
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
the
budget
process
where
we
have
tier
one..
But
then
we
also
have
focus
areas
and
we've
got
investment
across..
So
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
we're
we're.
Typically,
looking
at
and
asking.,
we
show
generally
like
investment
by
master
plan
tier.,
just
as
an
example
of
something
we'd
show
you
during
the
process.
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Osbt
laptop:
and
what
we've
introduced
to
the
board
in
2024
for
the
2024
process
that
we
just
finished,,
which
is
something
we've
done
internally
for
many,
many
years,,
is
looked
at
our
annual
strategic
enhancement..
So
within
that
10
year,
vision,
we're
identifying..
Before
we
had
a
master
plan,,
we
were
still
doing
this..
I
remember
my
first
year.
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laptop:
2,015.,
it
was
like
flood
recovery,
number
one.
finish
the
north
tsa
number
2,
and
it
was.
it's
an
internal
communication
and
organization,
tool,
right?
to
say
everybody's
work
is
important.,
but
these
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
get
done
in
the
next
couple
of
years.,
and
this
is
where
we're
gonna
prioritize
our
our
energy..
So
we
now
do
that
in
a
slightly
different
way,,
because
it's
not.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
you
know
emergency
response
for
the
most
part,,
where
we're
saying
strategically,.
These
are
the
places
that
we
want
to
accelerate
our
work.
and
that's
something
that
we
shared
with
the
board.
For
the
first
time
this
past
year,,
leading
into
2024
enhancements.,
look
a
lot
of
different
ways..
It
could
be
staff
capacity,,
it
could
be
non
personnel
money
cip..
It
could
also
just
be.
G
Osbt
laptop:
we're
going
to
be
initiating
major
planning
and
effort.
we're
going
to
be
developing.
Policy.,
so
we've
been
looking
at
adaptive
management
framework.
Recently.
we've
had
major
subject
matters
that
we've
been
exploring
with
you.,
so
those
are
all
ways
that
we're
investing
in
these
these
areas
that
we're
gonna
be
focusing
on..
So,
on
your
question
of
the
6
year,
cip,,
there
is
a
link
to
the
6
year
work
plan
and
the
budget
book.,
so
we
have
in
in
the
munis
years.
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laptop:
custom
reports
built
out
or
anything
like
that.,
so
we're
giving
you,
hey?
here's
the
project
for
the
next
year,
and
then
we
would
pull
things
from
our
work
plan
to
kind
of
hint
to
you
at
what
the
next
couple
of
years
looks
like
they've
been
able
to
make
some
off
cycle
improvements
to
that
system.,
and
so
now
there
is
a
chart
at
in
this
link
of
what
our
6
year,
projects
are,
as
they're,
reflected
in
the
budget.,
and
so
these
are
tools
that
are
just
now
becoming
available
to
us
to
get
again..
It's.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
I'm
not
gonna,
linger
on
this
a
ton,,
but
just
give
you
a
a
little
context
for
bringing
it
off.
what
our
strategic
priorities
were
for.
20
twenty-four's
budget
bills,,
ongoing
capacity
for
wildfire,
resilience,,
accelerate
efforts
and
sign
science
and
climate
resilience,
accelerate
work
that
supports
presence
on
the
land.
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laptop:
and
we're
looking
at
what's
on
the
council
priority
list..
What's
on
the
upcoming
board?
agendas?,
what
are
going
to
be
the
the
major
priorities
for
the
city?
and
then
you
know,
what's
going
to
be
on
our
work
plan
for
the
next
few
years.,
so
climate
and
wildlife
fire,
as
an
example,,
we
were.
We
were
working
on
a
cross,
functional
city,
team.
we're
getting
ready
for
the
climate
tax..
We
also
had
a
lot
of
goals
around.
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laptop:
fire,
mitigation
and
suppression,
we
were
on
the
heels
of.,
and
so
we
knew
that
we
would
be
doing
all
of
this
work
in
a
very
enhanced,
accelerated
way
over
these
upcoming
few
years..
So
that's
something
that,
as
we
look
at
the
work
plan
and
how
we
prioritize
our
work,,
we
kind
of
galvanized
around
that
these
are
always
been
internal.
In
my
8
years.
yeah,.
This
is
director
led
with
the
directors
team,,
and
then
we
put
it
out
the
steps.,
and
you
have
a
lot
of
guiding
policies,
plans
that
you
work.
With.
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laptop:
focus
in
on
that,,
because
it's
let's
not
treat
this
business
as
usual.,
let's
actually
say,
hey,.
Let's
try
to
enhance
this
area.
so
giving
staff
the
quote
unquote:
permission
to
think
out
of
the
box
and
say,
okay,.
Let's
enhance
these
areas.,
so
it's
sort
of
a
a
direction
that
the
directors
team
gives
our
staff
of
saying.
D
G
Osbt
laptop::
here's
what
it
means
to
be
tier,
one.,
here's
those.
those
are
the
things
that
are
going
to
get
funded
and
accelerated
level..
Those
are
the
things
we're
gonna
be
sprinting
on.,
but
that's
all
that.,
that's
a
long
list
of
tier
ones..
So
within
that,
how
we
make
sure
we're
holding
ourselves
accountable
to
getting
that
work
done
and
sprinting
on
these
topics
has
been
a
useful
tool
internally
for
accomplishing
that.,
so
yeah,
it
probably
been..
When
was
that
2019?
yeah,,
3,,
4
years.
G
Osbt
laptop:-
and
I
would
say
the
strategic
enhancements
was
something
that's
always
been
there.,
but
it
used
to
just
be
a
laundry
list
of
a
lot
of
things
we
did.
and
we've
been
working
as
a
directors
team
is,.
How
can
we
make
these
more
meaningful?,
because
now
we
have
the
tiers,,
the
3
tiers
of
the
master
plan,,
which
is
obviously.
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laptop:,
but
it
it
could
just
be.
hey,.
We
have
5
different
groups
on
presence
of
the
land..
Why
don't
you
guys
talk
a
little
bit
more
strategically
like,?
Where
are
you
when,
when,,
and
what
time?
and,
and
so
it
could,
and
often
does
mean
strategic
enhancements
of
money
and
time.,
but
it
also
could
just
be.,
let's
just
think
about
things
differently
and
enhance
your
strategy
involved
in
that..
So
I
would
say.
D
Osbt
laptop:
for
the
most
part,
bree.,
it
probably
does
translate
into
enhancements,,
but
it
does,
and
that
from
a
budget
standpoint.,
but
it
doesn't
happen
through
reallocations,
too..
So
I've
got
a
couple
of
examples
on
the
climate
fire
resilience..
So
we
spun
up
a
new
work
group..
We
had
a
business
analyst
position
of
my
team
that
we
purpose
into
a
climate
policy.
G
Osbt
laptop:
program
manager
that
works
with
brian.,
so
you
know,
a
lot
of
this
has
been
in
order
to
invest
at
these
strategic
opportunities
when
there's
attrition,
or
when
there's
a
skill
match
or
something.
how
do??
How
do
we
make
sure
we're
investing
time
and
energy
into
those
things??
So
we've
accomplished
a
lot
up
till
now
through
through
some
reallocations.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
I'm
not
gonna,
read
each
of
these..
I
just
wanna
highlight
a
couple
of
examples.
just
so
you
get
a
sense
of
that
of
that
question.
actually..
So
what
does
it
mean
to
to
enhance??
So
in
something
like
wildfire,
resilience?
yes,?
We
did
increase
forestry
crew
from
8
employees
to
13..
We
did
operationalize
funding
for
that
step..
We
made
that
ongoing
through
this
last
budget
cycle..
It's
also
training..
So
we
completed
red
card
firefighter
certification
for
25
rangers
to
make
sure
we
have.
G
Osbt
laptop:
folks
ready
on
the
ground
if
something
like
that,
happens?
deploying
education,
outreach
employees
during
fires..
So
how
are
we
supporting
trail
closures??
So
these
are
staff
we
already
have.,
but
we're
going
to
use
them
in
a
different
way..
They
have
that
knowledge
training
to
be
ready
to
support
in
times
of
emergency.
G
Osbt
laptop:
documentation
and
planning.
there's
a
lot
of
examples
here:
around
building
fuel,
mitigation,
plans,
prescriptive
praising
plans,
fire
plans,,
so
making
sure
that
there's
an
increase
level
of
readiness,
so
that,
you
know,
enhancement,
can
mean
a
lot
of
different
things.
same
thing
on
the
equity
example..
So.
G
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Osbt
laptop:
temporary
seasonal
staff
in
that
program..
How
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
living
at
our
values
and
and
that
are,
you
know,
staffing-
is
more
reflective
of
the
community.,
so
these
are
just
examples
to
to
show
what
we
mean
by
enhanced
or
strategic
enhancements.
and-
and
this
has
been
a
place
where
it's
like,,
okay,
beyond
having
the
board.
look
at
an
annual
list
of
projects..
How
do
we
make
sure
the
board
is
weighing
in
on
these.
G
Osbt
laptop:
strategic
enhancements?,
the
places
we're
going
to
go
to
work
over
the
next
2
to
3
years.
so
and
again,,
that's
new..
That
was
something
we
did
for
the
first
time
this
year..
I
think,
before
that
we
were
trying
to
say
like,
how
come
we
use
the
master
plan
as
as
the
place
where
the
board
is
engaging
in
the
budget.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
with
this
balance
across
focus
areas
strategies..
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
openness
on
the
team
to
to
what
the
right
level
of
of
engagement
is,
and
what
the
appropriate
type
of
engagement
is
from
the
board..
But
this
has
been
sort
of
where
we've
come
from,
and
how
we've
tried
to
evolve
that
over
the
last
2
years..
So
with
that,
I
will
hand
it
off
to
you.
C
C
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C
C
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G
Osbt
laptop:,
those
are
things
that
stay
pretty
the
same
year
to
year.
and
so,
yeah,
yeah,.
So
these
are
like,.
You
know,
our
ongoing
service
programs
or
our
season
temporary
staffing..
So
you
would
see,
for
example,
we're
gonna
hire.
13
forestry,
crew,
members,
and
those
folks
are
working
in
support
of
climate
crisis
here
and
now,
and
some
other
strategies..
So
we've
gotten
to
a
place
for
220
ish,
seasonals
and
temps.
G
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G
Osbt
laptop:
yeah,,
we
have
a
a
system
called
clarison.,
so
we're
planning,
project,
portfolio,
management,
system,
and
so
we,.
You
know,
do
project
charters.
and
then
our
directors
team
is
saying
yes
or
no
to
projects
on
our
work.
Plan..
We're
then
asking
managers
to
allocate
staff
time
to
projects
which
is
more
work,
planning
right?
so,
but
then
we're
able
to
link
it
to
the
budget
in
a
number
of
ways..
So
we
have
every
project
manager
indicate
which
master
plan
strategies
their
project
is
in
support.
Of.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
we
do
a
good
amount
of
like
auditing
clean
up
and
making
sure
that
everything,.
You
know
we're
all
looking
at
this
in
a
consistent
way
to
do
those
reports.
and
then
the
financial
system
is,
is
opened
up,
and
those
2
things
don't
talk
to
each
other
right,
now.
and
so
that
it's
really
like,
okay,.
How
do
we??
How
do
we
start
to
assign
budget
dollars
to
these
things?
some
places?
That's
very
straightforward..
You're
gonna
ask
for
$300,000
for
a
capital
project
that
tracks
one
to
one.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
I
don't
know
sam
or
my
position.
excellent.,
we're
gonna
assume
that
a
percentage
of
time
is
going
to
be
driven
towards
financial
sustainability
and
development
of
the
budget..
That's
not
a
clean.,
so
the
financial
sustainability.
strategies
are
things
like
budgeting
for
resilience
in
the
face
of
disaster,
and
like
pursuing
diverse
revenue
sources..
So
that's
not
a
clean
one
to
one
like
I
spend.,
I
don't
know
a
third
of
my
year
doing
budget
work,
but
regular,
ongoing
financial
management..
That's
not
something!
That's
captured
and
financial
sustainability..
So.
G
Osbt
laptop:
we're
working
on
that
right.
Now,
like
what
is
what
are
the
right
assumptions
that
we
want
to
make
on
staff
time..
So
the
director
seems
to
be
reviewing
that
in
november,
december,
to
sort
of
adopt
a
model
in
time..
So
it's
the
idea
not
to
exempt
any
percentage
of
anyone's
time
to
try
to
allocate
everybody's
time
into
master
plan,
strategy,
and
in
the
workplan.
We
capture
that
as
well.
G
G
Osbt
laptop:
was
the
concept
of
administrative
costing.
and
that's
something
across
the
city
that
we're
trying
to
get
more
consistent
on
so.
and
and
actually,.
You
had
a
lot
of
questions
about
that
in
the
budget
cabinet
where
we
were
talking
about.
We
have
directors,
team,
central
services..
We
you're
gonna
start
to
see
that
reflected
as
administrative
overhead..
That's
a
really
uncomfortable
thing
to
think
that
there's
dollars
going
to
things
that
aren't
tied
to
master
plan
strategies,
specifically.
G
Osbt
laptop:,
but
it's
a
way
to
start
to
capture
that
nuanced..
It
has
very
much
dependent
on
the
board
and
use
on
it.
What
the
perceptions
are
of
that
we've
had
very
heated
conversations
and
previous
years
about
cost
allocation,,
which
is
another
like,
as
we
talked
to
our
partners..
It's
like
this
is.
G
Osbt
laptop:
the
way
we
do
organize
the
way
we
run
business..
So
if,
but
I
think,
like
the
the
intention
is
beautiful,
it's:
how
do
we
maximize
the
dollars
in
support
of
the
land
and
the
people
who
are
using
the
land.?
So
that's
always.
Our
intention,
right
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
managing
that
in
a
responsible,
way,-
and
it
just
has
been
an
uncomfortable
thing
to
call
it.
Administrative
costs.
G
C
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C
Osbt
laptop:
what,
how
much
we've
been
spending,,
what
the
what
the
variance
is
going
to
be.
and
again
for
me,
we've
been
used
to
creating
more
traditional
financial
statement,.
It
tells
me,
oh,.
This
is
for
putting
more
energy
to
bring
less.
again..
I
felt
like
dogs
and
familiar
territory..
We
had
a
public
hearing,
and
we
voted
on
it.
C
Osbt
laptop:
and
so
a
few
other,
just
sort
of
impressions.
next
slide..
One
of
the
questions
I
had,-
and
this
is
my
first
exposure
to
base
versus
enhance
enhancements.-
was
this
concept
that
the
board
in
in
correct
me?
If
I'm
wrong.,
we
we
gave.,
we
had
a
fair
amount
of
visibility,
scrutiny
on
the
enhancements,
and
some
other
stuff..
We
went
very
deep
into
that.
C
Osbt
laptop:
peek
in
there.
it's
big
black
box.,
osbt
laptop:
and
my
presumption,
isn't.,
there's
anything
scary
and
terrible
in
the
black
box.
we're
just
not
looking
at.
and
every
year
the
enhancements
go
in
there
and
then
you
may
use
reallocations
to
do
other
things,,
and
so
things
change.
Over.
time
will
really.
C
C
Osbt
laptop:,
I
asked
city
council
for
a
a
few,,
a
few
city
council
members
for
their
input..
I'm
gonna
read
these
out
loud..
We
appreciate
each
board
working
with
this
respective
staff
and
developing
the
department's
budget
so
that
we
can
have
confidence
that
the
budget
has
received
community..
Then
another
board
member..
It's
definitely
helpful
when
you
all
review,
weigh
in
on
recommender
budget,
as
you're
closer
to..
I
find
it
very
helpful
to
know
what
the
pain
points
work.
C
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Osbt
laptop:,
when
there's
more
of
an
ability
for
the
well,
yeah,,
I
mean,
you
mentioned
that
in
in
july,
you
receive
the
sort
of
the
final
city
figures
and
estimates..
We
give
you
a
lot
of
detail,
reports.
and
then,
an
hour
later,
you're
expected
friday
recommendation.
and
I've
always
said,,
even
in
my
op.
my,
6
years
of
kind
of
working..
This
is
like.
D
D
Osbt
laptop:
more
in
this
program
area
or
less
in
this
program
area
than
maybe
we
should
be
asking
those
questions
right
around
now
is
probably
a
more
appropriate
time
than
an
hour
before
you
all
are
expected
to
make
a
recommendation
on
the
budget..
So
my
my
point
was
that
at
a
little
bit
of
this
higher
level,
now
is.
D
Osbt
laptop:,
if,
if
you
all
have
a
an
enhancement,
area,
even
a
program
area
or
focus
area
or
strategy
that
you
have
questions
about
about?,
are
we
investing
enough
in
that
area??
If
you
can
ask
us
now,?
That
is
time
for
us
to
provide
you
the
information
and
then
maybe
even
react..
So
then
this
spring
we
could
say,.
You
asked
about
this..
You
were
encouraging
us
to
look
in
this.,
here's
how
we
have
gone
through
our
workplace
and
brought
that
to
fruition
and
bring
that
to
you
in
spring..
So.
D
Osbt
laptop:,
that's
that's
what
I
meant
by
a
fall
touch
of
some
sort.
and
maybe
it's
the
retreat.
maybe,
you
know,,
it's
a
perfect
area
to
do
that.
so
well,.
I
think
that
is
extremely
important.
The
whole
tiny
issue,
I
think,
is
paramount.,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
good
observation
that
you
know
the
fall
as
you're
starting
developers,
budget
is
an
appropriate
time
to
at
least
sit
down
with
the
board
and
kind
of
review.
okay,.
C
Osbt
laptop:
and
I
was
gonna
just
add
one
thing..
It
strikes
me.
and
lauren,.
You
mentioned
this
as
far
as
far
as
the
strategic
enhancements
are
concerned,
that,
in
order
to
inform
the
board's
conversation,,
dan.
and
okay,
how?,
how
do
we
do?
or,
you
know,
kind
of
what??
What
do
you
think
we
ought
to,?
You
know,
pay
attention
to
this
coming
year?.
C
C
Osbt
laptop:,
where
we're
at..
As
far
as
what
we
decided.
you
know,
we're
priorities
for
the
emphasis.
you
know,
for
this
year.
and
then
that
would
give
the
board
kind
of
context
to
basis.
we're
saying,
okay,
well,,
you
know,
that
sounds
good..
What
about
this
or
that?
or
you
know,?
Maybe
we
need
to
kind
of
circle
back
and.
C
C
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Osbt
laptop:
the
emerging
issues.,
what's
coming
on
that,
maybe
like
wildfire
over
the
last
couple
of
years?
okay,,
that's
that.
that
3
to
6
year
is.
Is
our
master
plan
strategies,,
you
know.!
That's
when
you
can
look
a
little
bit
more
out.
and
then,
you
know,
beyond
6
years,
you're,
looking
at
our
focus
series
or
vision
statements,
are.
D
Osbt
laptop:,
you
know,
our
outcome
statements
within
the
master
plan.,
so
those
could.
and
then
other.,
there's
other
guiding
plans
for
the
boulder
valley,
comp,
plan.
and
the
city's
gonna
come
up
with
a
city
wise
to
plan..
So
there's
those
contexts.
but
yeah,
that
sort
of
the
enhancements
are,
you
know,.
If
there's
an
area
or
2,,
you
think
we
ought
to
get
a
work
on
and
soon.
D
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Osbt
laptop:
in
fact,
we
kind
of
did
that
here
we
ran
through
real
quick,
each
of
these
hands..
We
had
a
list
of
what
we've
done
this
year,
and
we
could
provide
that
in
a
written
memo
form,
for
instance,
and
give
that
to
you
in
a
in
a
board
packet,
this
fall.
say,.
Here's
our
report
out
on
what
we've
done
with
the
enhancements.
This
year.
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G
Osbt
laptop:
well,,
you
can.,
add
to
this.
no,.
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
my
predecessor.
in
fact,.
His
his
daughter
worked
in
finance
for
a
number
of
years.
up
until
very
recently
when
she
moved
on.,
and
so
I
think,
we've
sort
of
maintained
some
connections
with
that
that
history.,
we
didn't
overlap
mike
and
I,,
but
it
was
very
spreadsheet
driven
and
it
seemed
to
be
very.
G
Osbt
laptop:
well.,
I
guess
osbt
laptop:
base
budgets
would
continue.
would
be
my
observation
of
practice.
and
there
wasn't
necessarily
because,
you
know,.
It
wasn't
software..
It
wasn't
openly
shared.
you
know,.
It
was
each
work
group
kind
of
developing
spreadsheets..
This
is
not
a
judgment..
This
is
just
the
way
things
are.,
bringing
those
things
to
the
director
to
make
decisions
without
maybe
necessarily
a
ton
of
cross,
communication.
right?,
and
so
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
software
has
enabled.
G
Osbt
laptop:
is,
I
can
run
a
report
on
any
program
in
the
department
and
understand
what's
on
their
list.
and
I'm
getting
tagged
like,
I
get
physical
notifications
like
or
email
notifications.
Like,
hey,
you've
been
tagged
on
this
technology
project.
This
like,,
how
many
hours,
is
it?,
gonna
take
you?
and
it's
a,.
It's
a
collaborative
building,
process,
right?.
So.
G
G
G
Osbt
laptop:
that
again,
it
like
it
sounds
judgmental.,
it's
not.,
it's
just
an
evolution
of
city,
practice,
right?.
Those
aren't
things
that
they
were
looking
at
at
ebt
before
that
time..
So
it
was
really
focused.
On.
reallocate
your
money..
Do
a
0
based
budgeting
process?,
make
sure
that
folks
have
what
they
need
when
they
need
it.,
but
we're
not
gonna
stockpile
we're.
Not
gonna
hold
money
here
to
here.,
so
I
think
it
it
works..
The
department
got
a
lot
of
really.
G
G
Osbt
laptop:
and
we
have
some
work
to
do
still
on
cip,
so,
and
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
permitting
delays.
and
you
know,,
like
planning
processes,,
and
how
long
things
take
to
be
able
to
go.
Physically,
do
construction.,
so
we're
we're
not
done
on
the
cip
side
of
that,,
but
it's
a
lot
more
like
just
in
time,
or
informed
by
the
last
3
years
of
actuals,
and
and
everybody
in
the
department
can
see
it..
G
G
G
Osbt
laptop:,
I
can
tell
you
what
we're
doing
that
open
space.,
but
I
can't
see
community
vitality
or
parks
and
record
anything
like
that.,
so
all
of
the
work
that
we've
done
internally,
we're
now
gonna
mirror
on
this
on
the
city
level
to
to
track
to
things
like
climate.
That's
going
to
be
a.
their
objective
already
is
public
safety,
health
community
health..
So
so
we've
actually
been
in
workshops
recently
as
we're
helping
to
develop
what
the
update
to
that
framework
is
gonna
be
for
the
city..
So
I
think
that's
where
I
see
us
going.
F
F
F
F
Osbt
laptop:
in
the
budget
in
the
same
way
that
you
guys
can.,
but
I
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
unusual
or
unique
in
the
world
of
of
planning
for
open
space..
But
it's
spectacular
and
new
to
me.
and-
and
I
think
it's
it's
amazing,-
you
know,
definitely
caution
on
it.
you're.
Already
there
to,
you
know,
not
try
to
fit
every
second
of
everybody's
work.
F
F
Osbt
laptop:
and
you
show
us
what
you
know.
we're.
We've
spent
money
on
over
the
last
few
years,
particularly,,
you
know,,
where
the
master
plan
strategies
have
have
landed
in
terms
of
dollars,
spent
last
year.,
and
then
we
talked
about
what
are
our
priorities
for
this
year,
and
I
say:
hypothetically,
well,,
I'm
really.
F
Osbt
laptop:
proponent
of
ccd.
one..
I
think
we
ought
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
than
we
did
last
year
and
located
first
backgrounds.
to
open
space.
and
you
know,
in
my
orientation,.
You
know,.
We
looked
at
numbers,
and
there
isn't
much
being
spent
on
that
right,
now,
and
I
think
we
should
spend
more
on
it.
F
F
D
C
Osbt
laptop:
yeah,,
yeah.
yeah.
and
the
one
thing
that,
because
a
lot
of
the
things
don't
get
expressed
through
a
number
like,,
you
see
a
number
you're
like,.
I
don't
what
that
number
means.
380,000
like
if
you
said,,
I
don't
think
we're
doing
enough
in
climate.
and
we
weren't
daylighting
this,.
We
would
say,
well,
actually,
first,.
Let's
show
you
everything
we
are
doing:
like,
oh,,
wow!
okay,.
It
could
be
just
answering
some
questions
as
well,
like
where
you
maybe
weren't,
realizing.
D
F
F
Osbt
laptop:
can
administer.
and
where
we've
got,
you
know,
10
million
dollars
in
these
physical
projects..
It
looks
like
we're
spending
all
our
money
on
physical
projects.,
but
physical
projects
are
more
expensive
and
running
school
programs..
So
we
need
to
understand,
you
know,
we're
at
capacity
in
this
area..
It's
not
a
big
number,,
but
we
can't
really
do
much
more
here..
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
yeah.
and
that's
what
we
realized
in
2,019..
We
actually
thought
when
we
put
numbers
together,
for,,
like
cci.
D
D
D
C
C
Osbt
laptop:,
it
feels
like
we
have
a
pretty
exhaustive
process
in
the
spring
and
summer
that
we
currently
run.
and
my
my
hope
would
be.
If
we
checked
in
in
the
fall..
Maybe
we
could
make
that
a
little
bit
more
of
an
efficient
process.
we've
already
seen
some
of
it,
and,
you
know,
have
talked
through
it
in
the
fall..
Maybe
we
can
spend
less
time
on
it.
when
we're
doing
that
kind
of
final
review
to
sign
off
on
it.
H
Osbt,
laptop:
and
and
and
seriously,
how?.
How?
Well
you
all
do
with
with
open
space.,
and
I
think
that
the
the
focus
on
the
master
plan
strategies
is
amazing,
like
that
is
just
like
the
cut,
above
anything
that
I've
seen
to
be
able
to
tie
your
work
to
this,
this.
This
master
plan
that
the
community
has
developed
as
priorities
and
at
first
sounds
like.
E
E
E
E
E
Osbt
laptop:
the
next
6
years,
looks
like
by
project
and
and
you
know,.
If
you
get
answers,
some
questions
that
I
had
is
like,
okay,.
There's
a
line
in
here
for
marshall
needs
to
try
head
restoration,
$800,000,,
which
is
something
that
we
just
talked
about
in
the
last
last
board:
meeting.
and
then,.
In
the
out
years
of
like
28,,
we
have
another
$300,000
each
year
scheduled.
and
there's
some
questions
about
that..
I
mean,.
I
know
that
you're
doing
like
some
sort
of
in
your
project
management.
E
Osbt
laptop:
software,
a
67
60%
probability
of
the
everything
being
aligned
to
be
able
to
do
that
work
and
also
the
the
cost
estimates..
So
you're
you're
you're
doing
a
lot
of
things
behind
the
scenes
that
bring
you
to
these
out.
Your
estimates
and-
and
I
think
I
would
like
to
just
get
more
familiar
with
these..
I
know
when
I
was
on..
One
thing
that
we
were
able
to
do
is.
E
E
Osbt
laptop:,
that
was
such
a
critical
time
for
me
when
I
was
actually
I
felt
like,
I
actually
had
the
ability
to
bring
money
forward
and
actually
make
that
part.
Happen.
and
and
ii
can
go
by
that
part..
My
kids
can
play
there.,
I'm
like,
yeah,.
This
is
something
that
I
really
had
influence
in
making
happen..
I
didn't
feel
like
we
had
that
level
of
influence
here.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Osbt
laptop:
and
that's
gonna
approximate.
cost
$400,000.
you're
pointing
out
so
many
great.,
I'm
very
grateful
for
the
feedback,
and
I
think
we
can
incorporate
more
of
the
6
year.
look
in
the
budget.
Process.
there's
a
few
things
you're
pointing
to
is
like
one
is,.
How
do
we
lump
and
split
right?
so
in
any
given
year,
we're
gonna
do.?
I
don't
know
15
trail
projects.
G
G
Osbt
laptop:,
you
know,,
wherever
the
location
is
so
and
something
with
the
site
planning
to
like
what
level
of
detail.
so
you'll
see
one
on
that
list,
which
is
at
a
53
and
54
foothills
trail
permitting.,
that's
much
more
specific
than
local
food
farm
site,
improvements.
right?!
So
that's
something
we're
looking
at
every
year
is
like,.
What
is
the
right
level
of
detail
to
provide
in
any
one
of
these
projects.?
So
I
think.
G
D
Osbt
laptop:
november,,
and
I
think
we
could
bring
some
of
these
projects
forward
to
6
source,
you
know,,
which
cause
that's
another
thing
is,.
We
do
program
updates
for
you
all.
and
sometimes
it
might
might
see
well,
that
was
interesting..
But
what
was
that
meaningful?
like??
The
reason
we
do
program
updates
is
those
programs,
for
instance,
trail
heads.,
there's
big
ticket
trailheads.,
but
we
provided
you
updates
saying,
hey,.
We
had
an
assessment
done.
we're
really
lagging
behind.
D
Osbt
laptop:
on
trailhead
maintenance,
osbt
laptop:
kind
of
telling
you
in
the
future,
we're
going
to
be
investing
more
in
that..
So
even
our
program
updates
are
heavily
tied
to
the
budget.
yes.,
and
so
maybe
we
should
be
more
explicit
at
the
times
like,
hey,
jason,.
We
do
have
several
cip
items
coming
down
the
road
related
to
the
trailhead
maintenance
program,
area..
So.
D
E
C
C
C
C
Osbt,
laptop:
and
and
ii
mean
big
city..
You
know,
looking
at
our
budget,
and
just
like
what
we
talked
about
earlier
on
on
carryover..
You
know
you,
you
didn't
expend
all
your
budgets..
You've
got,,
you
know,
several
1
million
dollars.,
so
you
know.,
so
you
must
be
able
to,
you
know.
help,,
you
know,
find
some
other,.
You
know
city,
project,
and.
C
C
G
osbt
laptop:,
the
finance
teams
been
doing
great.,
they've
a
you
know,
new
team
there,
and
obviously
the
city
managers
and
half
or
something
like
that.,
so
they've
been
coming
in
and
looking
at..
How
is
this
done?
we're
very
focused
on
like
our
fund
and
how
we
manage
our
fund.
and
they're,
you
know,,
coming
in
with
the
city.
wise
look
of
what
is.
G
G
Osbt
laptop:
charter
language
ballot,
language.
everything
that
we
had
that
set
up
our
fund
make
up.,
so
we
provided
all
that..
We
collaborated
with
parks
and
greenways
on
the
lottery
fund.
Structure,
and
then,
brian
and
dan
have
been
super
integral
with
the
climate
tax..
So
we
gave
all
of
that
as
input
to
decision
making,.
We
had
no
change
in
practice.
At
the
time
we
were
coming
to
you
for
a
lot
of
you,
saying,
hey,,
here's
the
2
projects.,
so
we
think
we're
gonna
ask
for
lottery
funding
for.
G
Osbt
laptop:
up,.
We
we
up
until
now,
we've
done
42%
of
every
year's
allocation,,
something
around
there.
and
so
we,
you
know,.
We
were
proceeding
as
usual,,
and
so
they
they
were
doing
that
background
work.
of
assessing
what
is
actually
in
the
language
and
what
level
of
flexibility
we
have
across
city..
So
when
we
got
that
decision.,
that's
when
we
put
the
email
out
to
you
all
a
couple
of
weeks,
ago,
like,
hey,.
This
is
this
is
the
change..
This
is
what
we
heard.
G
Osbt
laptop:
and
talking
about
how
we
be
more
proactive
about
communicating
those
things
in
the
future..
If
these,,
if
there
are
these
city,
wide,
looks
and
processes.,
so
that's
certainly
the
intention.
I
mean,,
the
climate
tax
will
be
similar
where,
in
year,
one,
we
were
in
a
level
of
readiness
like,.
If
you
give
us
this
year,
one
funding
we're
hitting
the
ground
running,
we're
ready
to
spend..
We
can
hire
these
forestry
crew
members.
G
Osbt
laptop:
and
now
it's
really
gonna,
be
okay
across
the
whole
city..
What
are
the
biggest
priorities?
and
those
are
the
things
that
are
gonna
get
funded.,
so
I
think
for
both
of
those
funding,
sources.,
that's
the
way
of
the
future.,
and
then
the
open
space
fund
has
been
a
dedicated
fund,
as
as
you're
well
aware,
of
course.,
and
so
that's
that's
sort
of
the
base
budget
that
we
work
within.
but
yeah,.
I
mean,.
I
think
there
are
questions
about
what
it
like,.
What
open
space
work
is
happening
outside
the
open
space
department,
or
what.
G
C
C
C
C
C
C
Osbt
laptop:
would
be
great,
and-
and
I
have
a
recommendation.-
you
know
what
happens.
a
lot
and
other
types
of
boards
is
not..
Everybody
in
the
board
is,
has
the
energy
of
the
time
to
dive
into
financials.
and
there's
usually
finance.,
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
a
standing
committee
that
has
a
bunch
of
responsibilities
outside
of
this
board,
however,
I
think,
is
we're
putting
together
with
you.
all,,
I
should
say,
are
putting
together
the
touches
for
this
board
as
a
part
of
your
board
process,
having
one
or
2
board.
C
C
E
D
D
C
F
D
Osbt
laptop:
well,.
I
will
move
us
to
the
next
agenda.,
which
will
be
talking
about
our
planning
framework
and
future
thoughts
about
how
we
do
our
planning.
and
michelle
is
going
to
be
our
facilitator
for
this
hour
session,
and
there
is
a
less
than
a
5
min
for
the
contact
settings
slide
deck
that
the
staff
prepared
to
get
started.
Opening
remarks,
and
we
go
over
the
questions.
We're
asking.
E
E
E
Osbt
laptop:
all
members
of
the
public
to
follow
along
all
of
the
different
planning
documents
that
we
have.,
and
so
this
is
a
topic.
That's
meant
to
kind
of
explore,
what?
what,
what
plans
we
have
out
there,
and
I
would
love
to
actually
just
touch
a
little
bit
on
the
history
of
of
our
planning
documents..
If,
if
either.
E
Osbt
laptop:
ready
to
do
that
or
or
even
dave
would
like
to
do
that,.
I
think
that's
really
helpful
contacts
of
why
we
have
so
many
plans
today
and
and
we're
gonna
like
touch
on
like,.
What
are
all
the
just
take
an
inventory
of
all
the
plans
that
we
have?.
Some
of
the
questions
are
like,.
How
do
they
relate
with
to
one
another?.
E
E
E
E
D
Osbt
laptop:
great
there's
a
a
slide
deck
like,.
I
said..
I
think
that
the
idea
of
revisiting
these
planning
framework.
it
did
come
out
of
the
master
plan.
and
one
of
the
central
questions
you
raise
is,.
Why
so
many
planning
documents,
and
how
do
they
relate
as
well
up
into
2019??
We
did
not
have
an
overarching
master
plan.
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and
then..
How
does
the
master
plan
talk
above
it
like,?
How
does
it
relate
to
a
future
citywide
strategic
plan,
or
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan??
So
there's
this
up
and
down
sort
of
nature..
I
know
what,
from
a
staff
perspective,.
I
can
tell
you
the
interesting
sort,
of.,
there's
2
interesting
elements
that
we've
been
really
wanting
to
explore,
and
was
glad
that
this
sort
of
came
up
as
a
topic
area
is,.
How
can
we
keep
our
existing
plans?
More
dynamic?.
D
Osbt
laptop:
the.,
as
you
know,
many
of
you
know,
within
organizations
developing.
can
you
know
it
could
sit
on
the
shelf,
and
you
have
to
dust
it
off
now
and
then,
when
the
fact
of
it
is,,
even
if
you're
looking
at
some
of
our
older
plans,
that
20
1999
cent
plan
of
the
2,005
master
plan
or
visitor
master
plan.
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laptop:,
so
you
you
know,.
This
was
sort
of
staff
who
think
about
this
stuff..
We
we
kind
of
pose
these
questions
without
answering
them..
But
what
does
updating
the
master
plan?
Look
like??
How
do
you
sunset
and
update
plans
can
building
out
in
more
detail?
The
master
plan
take
the
place
of
some
of
our
other
plans
or
portions
of
it.?
Maybe
our
system,
wide
plans..
What
what
about
our
system?
it??
What
about
our
system
is
more
static,
and,.
What
is
more,
dynamic.
D
Osbt
laptop:
should
we
have
more,
more
or
less
plans
than
we
have
now?.
How
do
we
plan
so
that
we
can
be
more
responsive
to
the
dynamic
situations
around
us.?
Can
the
community
understand
all
our
plans
and
process??
Who
else
reads
them
all??
What
types
of
information
or
level
of
detail,
should
we
go
into
each
type
of
plan??
So
again,,
that's
just,!
You
know
us
ruminating
on
the
interesting
questions
we
think
about..
We
would
talk
about.
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laptop:,
something
like
the
agricultural
master
plan
or
resource
plan
or
the
grassland..
That's
a
huge
effort,,
not
only
from
a
staff
level,,
but
community
effort.,
I
mean,,
probably
thousands
of
hours
of
staff
time,
and-
and
you
can't
possibly
repeat
that
every
year
with
a
whole
bunch
of
different
plans..
So
just
the
sheer
numbers
of
plans
creates
a
little
bit
of
a
capacity
challenge
for
all
involved.
D
D
Osbt
laptop:
here's
a
listing
of
a
number
of
our
different
plans
over
in
the
left.,
and
now
we
have
the
new
master
plan
over
to
the
right.
and
you
know,
is
there?
Is
there
absorption
opportunities
within
this?
if
not,,
what
are
the
parallel
lines
crossing
into
each
other.?
How
do
they
relate
to
one
another?.
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forest?,
your
plan?
we've
done
it..
I
think
80%
of
the
implementations
that
were
called
for
are
done.
shouldn't
that
be
faded
into
the
plan?
in
some
sense,.
If
you
open
it
up,
you
can
track
where
implementations
been
done..
So
just
a
couple
of
examples
of
trying
to
make
our
plans
more
dynamic
and
less
static
over
time.
D
D
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laptop:,
so
if
we
wanna
change
it.,
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
need
to
say,
okay,.
We
need
15
h,,
1,500,
h
of
staff,
time.
fine.,
because
we're
gonna
update
this
whole
plan..
It
could
be.
well,.
Maybe
it's
just
an
element
of
that
plan
that
needs
to
be
updated..
We
actually
made
that
decision
with
a
management
area
designations,
the
mads
and
the
fee
studies..
We
can
do
those
as
one
offs
within
the
plan.,
but
if
we
do
that,,
then
how
do
we
go
back
and
keep
the
plan
updated.
D
Osbt
laptop:,
so
the
public
and
everybody
knows
that
that
those
elements
of
the
plan
have
been
updated,.
Even
though
we
didn't
take
the
full
plan
and
say
we're
opening
it
all
up,,
because
maybe
a
lot
of
that
plan
still
working
for
us,,
so
that
scalpel
approach,
as
far
as
in
terms
of
every
time
we
want
to
update,,
we
gotta
update
the
whole
thing..
So
just
those
are
a
couple
of
things.
Staff
are
interested
in
exploring
a
little
bit
with
y'all.
E
E
Osbt
laptop:,
I
understand
the
need
to
have
direction
and
have
that
documented,
so
that
staff
has,
like
a
set
understanding
of
what
they
can
do
in
particular
situations,,
and
then
they
can
apply
a
particular
situation
to
this.
this,
understand
why
it's
gonna
be.
and
it's
it's
helpful
for
staff
to
know
these
things.
think
that
the
challenges
for
the
community
to
be
able
to
follow.
E
E
Osbt
laptop:
you
know,
one
of
the
of,
for
example,,
the
the
vmp.
and
when
I
joined
and
applied
for
open
space,,
I
was,.
I
was
advised
to
read
the
charter,,
to
read
the
master
plan
and
to
read
the
visitor
master
plan..
I
didn't
know
that
there
were
like
20
other
plans
out
there
until
I
actually
don't
join
the
board.
and
so
a
couple
of
instances
like
with
prairie
dogs,.
I
was
like,
okay,
that.
E
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laptop:
that
I
think
it
just
would
be
helpful,
so
that
that
you
know
the
pradoges
was
one
example..
The
other
example
that
came
up
recently
is
the
paragliders,
like
the
paragliders
want
to
revisit
launch
sites.
Like.
is
there?.
Is
there
a
real
clear
way
that
we
could
guide
them?
yes,?
You
could
talk
to
staff,,
but
like,
hey,
go
read
the
vmp.
and
also
read
the
master
plan
and
get
set
up.
E
E
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laptop:
just
understand
what?
what
policy,,
success.
and
then,
with
the
ebikes.
I
found
you
know
what?
just
reading
through
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
the
community
submitted
tests,
which
is
like
it
just
seemed
to
be
some
confusion
in
my
mind.
and
I'm
very,,
very
literal
person,,
but
some
confusion
in
the
community
about
well.
E
E
E
E
E
C
Osbt
laptop:,
because
that
might
help,
you
know,,
shed
shed
a
little
more
light
on
kind
of
where
we
end
up
headed..
So
when
I
first
came
to
the
open
space
department
in
the
early
nineties,,
there
was
absolutely
no
planning
whatsoever.
everyone.
There
were
weren't
very
many.
staff.
There
were
probably
tends
to
have
to
have..
Everyone
did
what
they
thought.
They
should
be
doing.
C
Osbt
laptop:
and
so,
from
my
perspective,
coming
in
new.,
it's
like,
well,,
you
know,.
We
probably
need
some
guide
guidance
guide,
posts,
you
know,
side
bars
and
things,,
not
only
for
the
staff,
but
for
the
community,
so
that
the
community
would
understand.
okay,
you
know,,
here's
what's
happening.,
here's
here's,
why
it's
happening.
and
so
not..
All
of
these
plans
are
equal..
Some
of
them
were
instructive
in
the
early.
C
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laptop:
part
of
the
open
space
program
at
that
time,
and
then
the
north
pole,
north
boulder
valley
and
south
bord
area
management
plans
were
more,.
You
know,
came
after
that
in
1996,,
maybe
97.,
and
they
were
meant
to
be
chunks
of
the
system
in
in
kind
of
okay,.
When
we're
looking
at
the
system
itself.
what
is??
What
is
that
actually
mean?
and
how
you
know,?
How
do
we
do
that?
and
so.
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laptop:
you
know,
political
boundaries,
or
you
know,,
or
manage
ever
yeah
management
or
planning
boundaries..
So
they
were
more
the
resources,
so
that
that
forest
ecosystem
plan
was
the
first
one
came
along.
the
agricultural
management
plan
came
along,
and,
and
so
those
those
were
the
intense
beginning
in
the
late
nineties,
of
trying
to
get
our
arms
around.
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laptop:
and
so
the
the
visitor
plan
kind
of
morphed
into
this
or
master
plan,,
because
again,
at
that
time,
the
city
said,
well,
each
department
should
have
a
master
plan,
and
we're
involved
in
the
visitor
plans.
Like,
okay,
we're
gonna
call
the
visitor
master,
plan,
and
it'll
it'll
serve
as
initially
as
a
master
plan,.
Even
though
it's
intent,
initially,
was
never
to
be,.
You
know,
an
overarching
master
plan.
C
C
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laptop:
in
developing
the
tsas,,
which
were
again,
somewhat,
like
the
area
management
plans,
kind
of
came
back
to
focus
on
specific
areas
of
the
system.
and
and
our
notion
that
one
size
doesn't
fit
all.,
and
so
the
business
plan
provide
that
overarching
context..
But
the
trail
study
areas
we're
looking
at.
okay,.
What
specific
recreational.
C
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laptop:,
you
know,,
it's
so..
I
think
it's
incumbent
upon
us
as
the
board
and
the
staff
to
refine
or
define.
okay,.
You
know,
here's
exactly
kind
of
what
the
plans
that
we're
going
to
be
using.
and
here
are
some,.
You
know,
potential
plans
that
we'll
need
to
do
in
the
future,
and
so
that
there's
a
more
clear
relationship,
that's
established,
so
that
people
kind
of
can.
E
Osbt
laptop:,
absolutely
exactly
what
you
just
said.
Last
sentence.
ii
think
that
it
is
legal
during,
and
I
know
that
staff
knows
how
to
use
them.
When
we
we
come
to
a
program.
Update.,
there's
references
to
all
these
other
plans,
and
I'm
like
dang
and
I
didn't
read
that..
I
don't
have
the
ag
plan
number..
I
don't
have
the
grassland
plan
memorized.,
I'm
like,.
Am
I
actually
making
the
right
recommendation
here?,
having
not
read
all
of
these
other
plans,
that
impact.
E
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laptop:
heather
and
her
team..
What
are
the
restoration
opportunities,
here?
janelle
and
her
team??
What
are
the
educational
opportunities??
So
we
tend
to
call
them?
site
plans.
now
as
far
as
east
tsa.
yes,,
that
when
I
came
in-
and
I
was
looking
at.
oh,
east
tsa
is-
is
on
deck,
and
we
just
finished
north.
tsa.
well,.
Let's
get
a
sense
of
the
dollar
ticket
associated
with
these
plans.
we're
still
only
halfway
down
with
west
tsa.
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laptop:,
we
we
put
a
pause
on
the
idea
of
a
grand
east
tsa,
because
we're
just
starting
to
hit,,
you
know,
getting
the
ball
rolling
and
ntsa,,
because
we
were
knee
deep
in
west
tsa.
and
we
had
the
trail
maintenance
backlog,,
which
is
just
routine
trails
throughout
that
need,
love
and
attention..
So
that's
the
thing
on
the
east.
a.
but
in
lieu
of
east
tsa.
D
Osbt
laptop:
from
a
management
perspective..
What
do
we
need
to
answer??
We
have
some
issues
out
of
gum
bill,
hill,,
gumbar
hill,,
which
would
have
been
in
the
sts.
a.
we
have
some
issues
at
gephardt
which
it
would
have
been
a
part
of
the
east
a.
and
we
have
4
chambers,.
So,
instead
of
doing
the
grandiose,,
we
are
doing
a
few.
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laptop:
and
then
potentially
calling
it
a
recreation.
so
yeah,.
I
think
it
was
a
different
names
for
a
recreation
plan.,
just
because
people
continue
to
reference
with
vmp,
and
a
lot
of
those
those
components
have
been
updated.,
and
so
it
I,
you
know,
just
to
be
able
to
point
people
to
the
right.
Direction.,
oh,,
well,,
yeah.,.
E
E
E
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laptop:
carry
around
20
to
25
plans
and
update
them
every
so
often.
and
let's
put
them
on
a
schedule..
If
the
answer
is
yes,,
we'll
put
them
on
a
schedule
that
would
be
able
to
be
work
planned
in
and
support
it
through
a
budget..
If
we
have
a
different
approach,,
let's
call
it
out
now
and
well,.
Let's
call
it
out,
and.
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Osbt
laptop:,
you
got
an
intern
who
needs
something
to
do.
annotating
these,.
I
can
imagine
the
vmp
you
got
here..
This
is
the
vmp,
you
know.
it's.
It
is
not
been
touched..
This
is
a
2,005
version.,
here's,
the
annotated
version,
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
mess,
but
you're
in
there,,
and
it's
a
pdf.
with
a
bunch
of
notes
and
references..
But
there's
some
version
of
some
of
these
key
planning.
Documents.
C
C
Osbt
laptop:
again.
just
an
idea.,
but
it's
like
it's
like,.
It's
like
an
intermediate
step
between
them
being
living
documents
versus
these
things,
wisconsin
amber
that
that
apparently
hasn't
changed.
and
I
think
the
other
question
I
have
is,.
Are
there
legal,,
cultural,
or
political
implementations?
before
messing
with
these
plans
out
like?
for
example,,
let's
say
we
decided
to
5
of
us,
hey?.
Let's
just
go
back
into
the
west
tsa.
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laptop:
kind
of
cause
it
osbt
laptop:
call
the
time.
Out?
asked
our
legal
counsel,,
janet
michaels,,
who
is
our
open
space
caor,
and
brought
her,
and
saying
all
these
refinements
that
we
want
to
make,.
How
much
is
a
management
decision
with
it?
would.,
that's
within
the
purview
of
the
policy
direction
versus
what
we
might
need
to
revisit
from
a
policy
standpoint,
that
staff
in
and
of
itself,
and
the
board
does
not
have
the
authority
to
say,
heads
up
by,
and
that's
where
we
went
where
heather
working
with
janet
michaels
to
determine
that.
D
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Osbt
laptop:
okay,
we,
this
probably
busy
management
decision.,
but
we
need
a
day
like
this..
I
mean,
a
small
example
is
just
replacing
that
sign
up,
and
that's
one.
We
we
could
that
there's
no
policy
that
says
that
you
all
in
the
council
or
community,
needed
way
in
at
all
on
that.,
but
we
just
said,.
You
know
what,
with
that
one.
D
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Osbt
laptop:
you
know.
after
reading
through
it
when
we
were
talking
about
you
bikes,,
you
know,
there's
quite
a
few
things
in
there
that
I
feel
like
have
changed
or
out
of
date.,
and
you
know
someone
was
to
go
pick
up
that
document
and
look
at
it.
they're
going
to
be
like,
oh,.
You
know,
they're,
going
to
get
a
very
different
impression
from
you
know
the
reality
on
the
ground.
C
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laptop:
planning,
process,,
circulating,
effort.
and
then,
after
the
planning
process
is
over,.
You
have
to
shiny
plan,
which
kind
of
lives
as
a
dusty
ball
and
chain,,
or
an
occasionally
employee
hammer
where,.
You
know
it's.
It's
just
there,
and
you're
not
really
responding
to
it.
nagging..
You
know,.
We
spent
all
this
time
working
on
this
plan..
It's
up
on
the
shelf.
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right?
there
may
be
an
implementation
strategy
under
that
policy,
like
michelle
said
at
the
last
et
meeting
about
how
shade
structures
are
really
important
in
modern
travel,
design,
right.,
but
that
doesn't
need
to
live
in
the
master
plan
that
needs
to
live
in
the
facilities,
management.
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and
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You
know
the
plan
guides
their
work..
The
plans
regularly
updated
where
implementation
items
are
completed..
You
know,
the
plan
might
contain
functional
guidance,
like,
you
know.
first,.
This
plan
is
designed
to
implement
the
following
master
plan
strategy..
So
you
tie
the
you
know,
the
work
plan
back
to
the
master
plan.
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and
it
also
allows
for
that
ad
adaptive
management.,
so
you
might
have
implementation
strategies.
and
then
you
realize
well
that
one
doesn't
work.
so
through
adaptive
management
is
the
staff
that's
actually
working
that
plan..
Maybe
we
take
one
of
those
implementation
strategies
now.
and
maybe
you
know.
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you
know,,
I
think,
if
I
had
to
choose
between
the
plan
that
was,
you
know
part
of
a
big,,
robust
public
process
gathering
does.
or,,
you
know,.
Let's
pull
that
plan
off
the
shelf.
take,,
you
know,
the
really
useful
policy
direction
out
of
that
plan,
inject
it
into
the
master
plan
in
a
in
a
robust
public
policy
discussion.
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surveying
and
data
collections
that
are
ongoing,
climbing
access
management
trails
might
be
a
thing.
That's
coming
down
the
pike
in
the
future.
so
like
those
are
just
next
3
years.,
but
yeah,.
That's
a
lot
of
stuff.
and
what
I'm
hearing
is,
you're,
getting
a
6
year
peak
at
the
cip..
Maybe
here's
some
scalpel
approaches
that
we're
gonna
be
looking
at,,
including
another
site
plan.
We
wanna
get
working
on,,
including
is
all
these
other
things
and.
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kind
of
okay,:
let's
pick
a
place
that
you
know
we
we
know,
and
that
we
can
use
this
kind
of
that
trial.
and
you
know,
and
see
how
things
work..
I
think
in
this
case,
too.
we,.
We
ought
to
be
surgical
in
selecting
okay,
what
you
know,.
What
really
makes
sense
initially,,
which
will
give
us
both
the
experience
or
expertise
and.
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straightforward.
and
I
think
staff
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probably
needs
to
talk
about.
okay,.
What
what
is
that
actually
end
up
looking
like.,
so
you're
not
kind
of
wrestling
around
with
biting
off
far
more
than
you
can
choose
where
you're
saying,
okay,?
Here's
what
we
wanted.!
Here's,
where
we
want
to
focus
our
initial
efforts
and
see
how
that
goes.
and
then
we
can
transpose
what
works
well
into
the
future
and
learn
from
what
didn't
work.
so
well.
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you
know,,
we
we,
we
took
the
plan.
we,,
you
know,
work
the
plan
and
took
the
policy
out
of
it,
agreed
on
where
the
policy
needs
to
be
and
elevated
that
into
that
facilities,
management,
section
of
the
master
plan.
and
we
pull
to
make
the
facilities
management
program..
We
pull
those
plan.
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policy
and
strategies
down
into
the
program
and
say,
this
program's,
guided
by
these
policies,
which
can
be
found
in
the
master
plan.
and
here
are,.
You
know
our
priorities.
and
here
are
implementation.
Strategies.
and
here
are
measurable
goals
under
that,.
You
know,
that's
kind
of
a
yeah.
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and
ii
just
bring
up
the
idea
of
calling
them
programs
or
calling
some
other
name
that
you
would
choose.
because
then,
you,
you
know,,
you
clearly
do
our
key..
This
is
a
planning
document..
This
is
a
functional
document
that
lives
under
that
plan..
This
is
this
could
be
a
classic
time
for
consultants,
and
and
as
a
former
person
who
ran
lean
organizations.,
I
don't
like
pulling
consultants
in,,
but
when
you
see
an
executive
like
yourself,
who's,
looking
at.
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coming
in
with
more
dispassionate
kind
of
look
at
like,
well,.
You've
done
some
amazing
things..
I
can
see
how
this
is
all
sort
of
evolved.
and
now
it's
time
to
be
a
little
bit
more
intentional
about
how
these
things
are
going
to
work.
and
here's
the
here's.
Here's
some
ideas
for
flow,
chart.
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management
team,,
led
by
our
city,
manager,.
We
are
in
the
process
of
developing
the
city's
first
strategic
plan,,
which
is
sort
of
we
have
the
bull
valley,
comp
plan,,
and
then
we
have
department,
plans,
and
there's
nothing
in
between,
and
our
city
manager
feels
strongly
and
and
talking
with
our
leadership
team,.
We
need
something
between
those
2
documents.
and
so
we're
in
the
process
of
and
lauren,.
You
referred
to
it
as
developing
a
strategic
plan.
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and
so,,
just
to
give
you
a
heads
up,
blue,
you'll,
probably
hear
more
about
that
citywide
effort
of
a
citywide
strategic
plan,
and
we
also
probably
are
getting
away
from
the
nomenclature
of
master
plans..
We've
heard
that
from
an
equity
perspective.,
so
they're
probably
going
to
be
called
department,
wide
strategic
plans,
eventually,
or
something
like
that..
So
just
a
couple
of
things
up
to
flow
already
in
that
regards..
So.
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alright.
I'll
just.
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
start
we
are.
gonna
enter
this
section
called
osbt.
rules
of
procedure,
review
and
update.
dave,
and
I
are
gonna
co
facilitate
this
particular
section.
Would
great
thing
about
osbt?
Is
we
have
this
document,
and
it's
something
that
we
make
very
visible
to
the
public.
and.
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our
board
osbt
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attacks
business
every
month
there
are
regularly
and
we
have
at
least
in
my
2
and
a
half
years
being
on
the
board..
This
has
been
something
that
we've
we've
edited
every
year,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
practice..
This
year
we
thought
that
we
would
open
it
up.
Again..
We
have
a
couple
of
new
board
members,
and
we've
also
had
some
challenging
experiences.
This
year,
and
we
found
ourselves
in
a
place
where.
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suggestions
right
now
is,
as
far
as
how
we
interact
with
each
other
and
with
the
public,
our
good
ones.,
and
we
should
record
those..
I
think
there
was
suggestion
on,,
you
know,,
the
not
actually
the
meeting
time.
they'll
actually
go
under
meetings.,
but
but
there
may
be
some
other
things
that
we
wanna
put
in
a,
you
know,
in
a
purpose
statement,
or.
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well,
I'll
admit
that
I
took
a
stab
at
a
lot
of
these
things
already,,
but
if
I
I'm
not
assuming
that
you're
all
gonna
agree
to
these
things,,
so
I
can
project.
If
you
want
me,
to.,
I'm
not
probably
the
best
secretary,
or
want
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
the
conversation..
I'm
happy
to
capture
it.
or,
if
you'd
like
to
just
share,.
That's
okay,
too.
is
that
okay?.
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certain
things
and
get
direction
and
then
draft
and
then
look
at
it.
depend
on
the
way.
well,.
That
could
be
the
goal,.
I
think
on
alternative
goal
would
be
to
get
at
least
some
consensus
today
on
language
such
that,
then
that
can
be
in
the
draft
that
comes
before
the
board,
and
an
official.
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and
are
there
any
questions?,
can
we
both?
yeah.
it
it
as
opposed
to
half
an
hour,,
giving
it
either
consent.
agenda,,
which
is
like
we
just
brought
it
up,
and
we
didn't
talk
about
it,
or
it
gets
a
5
min
window..
I
don't
know
if
we
need
this
concept
here,,
but
I
think
that
would
help
us
speed
things
up
and
and.
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and
and
have
more
generative
discussions
and
and
honor
the
work
staff
has
done,
and
and
with
the
obvious
caveat
that
when
we
have
a
public
hearing,
and
when
there
are
issues
that
are
controversial,,
sometimes
we
have
to
start
from
ground
0.
For
the
sake
of
the
public,.
Everyone
calling
in,
and
the
presumption
that
board
packet
is
insufficient,
because
the
public
needs
to
be
brought
to
speed.
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last
year
we
made
the
transition
of,,
because
there
was.
oh,
often
questions
about
what
was
in
the
written
memos..
It
was
sort
of
no
one
knew
when
something
was
gonna
be
raised.,
so
we
didn't
have
the
right
staff
person
there
to
answer
it..
So
now
we
put
this
15
min
of
every
meeting.
Is,.
Do
you
have
questions
on.
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you
know
ii
from
a
staff
perspective,.
I
want
some
more
clarity,
and
exactly
how
that
those
3
sections
are
going
to
differentiate
between
presentation
and
thorough,
discussion,,
rick,
memo.
and
now
a
consenting,.
Maybe
maybe
we
don't
need
a
consent
agenda
per
se.,
but
maybe
we
just
need
the
acknowledgement
that
there
are
certain
items
that
the
board
has
to
vote.
On,
ie.
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laptop:,
relatively
minor,
disposals
or
other
things
that
that
can
go
at
the
beginning
of
the
regular
agenda
and
have
5
min..
So
it's
almost
a
de
facto
consent.
express
it
through
time.
a
lot.
yeah.
like,
is
there?
we?.
We
need
a
board
motion
on
this..
You
got
a
sense
of
packet..
Here's
the
issue.
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you
know,,
if
it
doesn't
have
to
be
necessarily
in
the
rules.,
but
if
the
culture
is,
look,,
we
put
the
punitively
non-controversial
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
we
allow
them
to
be
called
up
by
any
member.
You
know
the
board
and
you
know,.
Then
the
the
staff
presentation
is
kind
of
expected
to
be
rather
brief
and
mostly
about
answering
questions.
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and
then,
if
it
doesn't
get
called
out,,
we
go.
yes,,
I'm
consent.,
it's
proof.
see?.
I
think
if
we
are
to
follow
exactly
the
council's
procedure
on
that,
you
know,,
I
think
that's
well.
Established..
We
just,
you
know,
re,
replicate
that
it's
something
on
that
sound
like
an
extra
complication.
or
is
this
look?
ii,
guess
you're
a
little.
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you
know,
in
a
brainstorm
like
those
are
the
places
where
we
thought,
that's
attractive..
That
doesn't
mean
there's
not
going
to
be
a
whole
bunch.
Of,.
You
know,
complications
at
your
rate,,
you
know,,
and
it
could
work
fabulously
with
this
iteration
of
the
board.
in
5
years
from
now,
our
consent,
agenda,.
We
could
have
them
all
called
up,
and
almost
every
meeting,
and
it
could
just
get.
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and
then
there's
this
osbt
laptop:
little
agenda
at
the
bottom.
That
says
the
sections
to
be
construed
liberally
in
favor
of
providing
opportunities
for
the
citizens
of
the
city
to
refer
measures
proposing
disposal
of
any
open
space
land..
So
you
know,,
are
we
really
meeting
when
we
talk
about
disposal?,
yeah,
no,?
I
think
that's
what
jen
probably
doesn't.,
but
it
still
may..
If
it's.
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is
that
we're
there's
different
law
around
our
rights
versus
elected
officials,
right?
and
we
are
protected
as
cause..
We
don't
get
paid
for
this,
and
I
didn't
get
elected
by
the
people.
and
so
there's
a
higher
expectation
in
the
board
meetings
where
they're
appointed
boards
than
in
city
council.-
they
have
to
sit
through
stuff.
We
don't
have
to
sit
through
right,
you
know.,
I'm
reminded
of
ever
durton,,
who
is
the
senator?
in
the.
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he's
he
in
tone,
that
well,
1
million
here
and
a
million
there
pretty
soon
you're
talking
real
money,,
and
that
was
the
time
when
a
million
dollars
meant
a
lot.,
the
other
thing,
he
said,
is
all
po..
All
all
politics
are
local,,
you
know,
and
all
local
politics
are
personal.,
and
I
think
that.
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I
have
never
had
that.,
mostly
people,
pool
or
2,
4.,
that's
it.
yeah,
yeah..
Usually
I
see
them
struggle
to
get
even
their
2
people
to
show
up
their
pooling.,
but
I
don't
think
I've
ever
even
seen
4..
But
you
know
this
is
similar
to
how
council
does
it
as
well.?
I
think
they
limited
to.
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and
if
you
do
come
up
with
a
topic,
that's
not
listed
here,
think
about
what
quarter
that
might
be
appropriate,
or
something
on
that,
just
to
call
out,,
but
it's
not
on
the,
if
I
could
just
add
on
to
that..
So
what
is
that
really
filled?
Out?
here
is
field
trips..
We
know
we
want
to
do
3
or
4
year.
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so.
is
there
a
a
type
of
field.
Trip.
subject
matter
feel
free
to
kind
of
put
that
down
as
well.
and
those
program
updates,.
You
know
how
we
rotate
around
and
we
give
you
a
trail
heads
update.,
there's
a
program
area.
That's
not
captured
here
that
you
would
like
to
get
updated
on
a
program
area.
We
talked
about
even
program
areas
having
more
of
an
enhanced
budget.
Connection,
feel
free
to
list
a
program
area
to
if
cause,
those
are
routinely
things
that
we
like
to
identify..
We
just
don't
know
of
all
the
programs.
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like
with
prairie
dog,
specifically
going
on
those
field
trips
and
seeing
the
land
really
is,.
You
know,
allowed
me
to
become
a
lot
smarter
on
that
issue,
and
agriculture
is
an
area
where
ii
have
little
to
no
knowledge..
You
know.,
we
don't
wanna,
be
critical
of
the
prairie
dog
field
trip
along
before,,
because
that
was
real.
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but
one
of
the
focus
is
where
those
priority
areas
within
the
wildlife,
urban
interface.
and
then
for
us
as
land
managers,.
The
land
management
aspect
is
what
is
going
to
be
our
enhanced
strategy.
around
the
wild
land
urban
interface.
We
have
some
larger
overarching
plans
like
our
forestry,
ecosystem
management
plan
and
our
grasslands
ecosystem
management
plan..
But
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
specific,
almost
like
parcel
by
parcel
guidance
on.
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what
is
our
management
tools
that
are
gonna
be
best
employed?
that
look
at
fuel
mitigation
while
looking
out
for
our
other
charter
purposes,,
such
as
wheat
management
and
biodiversity,
and
native
plants,
that
sort
of
like,?
What's
that
balancing
act,
look
like
within
the
wild
and
urban
phase.
and
where
could
staff
have
more
enhanced
guidance
around??
What
management
tools
we
bring
out.
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I'll
just
jump
in
real,
quick
and
turn
things
over
to
harmon..
We
have
2
sub
discussions,
today,
sort
of
all
around.
sort
of
more
of
the
future
of
open
space
and
topics
that
are,
on
your
mind,
concerns
opportunities,
all
of
that.,
and
we
thought
that
during
the
first
discussion
that
harmon
will
facilitate.
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as
a
way
that,
if,
if
you
want
to
use
some
of
those
to
kind
of
select
the
specific
topic
area,,
whatever
that
resonates
with
you,
or
that
maybe
you're
concerned
about,,
you
can
borrow..
Those
are
slides,
27
through
31
as
a
reference
in
your
book.,
but
with
that
I'll
turn
over
to
harmony,
kind
of
get
us
started..
Community
based
values
are
the
values
that
got
our
vision
and
outcomes.
Our
aspirational
goals.
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so
I
will
osbt
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not
nominate
us.
trust
you
to
go
first..
I
will
wait
to
see
which
one
of
you
has
a
friendly
amendment.
yeah..
Should
we
also
have
them
weigh
in
on
their
second
question,
or
do?
Would
you
rather
do
it
to
ground
robins.
well,?
So
the
second
question
to
preview
it
is,,
which
are
you
most
concerned
about
when
you
think
of
this
system?
smb.
system?,
20,
years,,
30,,
50
years
down
the
road.
and
why?.
So
if
you
just
wanna,
say
what
you're.
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okay,
I'll
go.,
so
I'm
gonna
go
with
the
value
statement
that
says,
using
the
best
available
science,.
We
protect
health
ecosystems
and
mend
those
we
have
impaired,
and
I
think
the
the
part
that
resonates
with
me
is
that
you
know
this
is
a
open
space.
Mountain
parks,
division
of
the
city
government
has
so
many
different
purviews.
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me,
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laptop:,
this
is
the
number
one
priority
for
the
department..
I
think
you
know
when
the
open
space
program
was
first
established
that
mom
parks,
a
little
different
mount
parks.
historically,.
We
were
designated
a
long
time
before
the
open
space,
program.
and,
and
so
people
have
this
notion
of
parks
and
parks.
Originally,
and
still
today
consist
of.
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of
the
things
I'm
concerned
about
is
that.,
and
we
talked
about
this
a
little
just
a
few
minutes,
ago,
that
whenever
there's
a
natural
phenomenon,
like
a
fire
or
flood.,
we
always
see
it
in
in
a
human
perspective.
and
it's
a
disaster..
It's
destructive,
it's,,
you
know,
harmful.,
and
so
we
want
our
environment
to
be
safe
and
convenient..
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look
beyond
collecting
information.,
because
I
was
talking
with
brady
when
we
came
in.
you
know,
one
of
the
things
on
the
planning
and
data
collection
effort..
I
thought
a
long
time
ago
that
if
you
collected
enough
information
that
they
would
be
persuasive
for
people,,
they
would
understand
the
basis
for
management
decisions
and
management.
Actions.
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you
know,
the
importance
of
those
lands..
They
have
the
experience
of
interacting,
connecting
with
those
lands..
It's
so
for
me,,
that's
the
most
important
thing.,
and
so
not
only
is
ecosystem
health.
The
key
thing.,
it's
the
education,
bringing
the
community
together
to
understand
the
significance
of.
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is
mirrored
in
all
of
the
action
items
that
flow
from
that
value.
Statement
like
you
were
just
talking
about
people's
emotional
connection
and
learning
from
each
other.
and
that's
the
hr.
dot,
d
informed,
shared
stewardship
in
a
nutshell,,
so
I
thought
it
was
interesting..
As
you
were
talking.
I
was
looking
at
climate,
action,
diversity
of
native
plants
and
animals,
and
restored
resilient
habitat.,
the
other
3,
and
thinking
everything
you
were
saying.
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engage
youth.
inspired
by
nature
and
promoting
equity,
inclusion..
I
was
very
privileged,
and
had
the
opportunity
to
be
involved
in
the
voice
scouts
like
I
mentioned
earlier,,
and
I
guess
to
go
to
all
these
awesome
places
to
go
camping
and
experience,
nature
and
hyperfillment,,
and
not
everyone
has
the
privilege
that
I
do
to,.
You
know.
go
off
all
these
places
and
see
that.,
but
in
boulder
we
have
the
opportunity
to,.
You
know.
allow
people
that
live
here
that
may
not
be
afforded
those
privileges
to
kind
of
experience.
Nature,
in
a
way.
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but
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
otherwise..
So
what
open
space
does
is
really
powerful
to
me
in
that
regard.
I
love
being
in
nature
and
our
fast
paced.
you
know,
high
technology
environment.,
I
love
to,,
you
know.
go
out
on
the
trails,,
go
out
amongst
the
trees
and
just
be
away
from
all
of
that.,
and
for
me
it's
it's
amazing
for
my,
like
mental
health
to
go
out
and
do
that.,
and
I
can
the
trails.
and
I
think
it.
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to
other
people
who
are
who
are
gonna
do
that.,
but
the
only
way
they
are
gonna
do
that
is,
if
they
are
exposed
to
it.
and
if
they
care
about,.
They
have
that
emotional
connection
to
it.
and
so
building
tomorrow.
Stewards
is
gonna
require
diversifying
the
folks
who
have
access
to
it
and
to
that
particular
privilege
and
build
that
bond.
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kids,,
you
know,
that
are
in
the
junior
ranger
program,
that
through
these
posters,
right?,
some
of
them
that
may
be
sitting
on
this
board
in
20
or
30
years
in
our
places..
So
I
think
you
know
the
work
that
the
department
does,
you
know,,
and
that
area
is
really
really
important.
and
if
we
don't.,
if
we
don't
do
that,
you
know,,
there
may
not
be
those
people
that
have
that,
you
know.
respect.
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it's
just
so
valuable.
osbt
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so
planning
those
seeds
early
on
in
our
kids,
or
for
that,.
Just
the
the
use
around
this
area,
not
necessarily
just
over
the
proper
and
making
sure
that
access
is
like
in
those
kinds
of
jobs,
are
available
to
a
diverse
group
of
people
for
this
important
work
to
get
them
down
in
2030
years.
Investing
in
those
people
who
will
carry
on
that
work.
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nature
need
from
us??
What
what
can
we
do
to
really,
I
mean.,
so
I
don't
mean
to
make
a
blanket
or
uniform
statement,,
because
we
have
talked
today
about
a
number
of
things
that
we
can
do..
But
my
concern
is
that
that
isn't
the
conversation
that
really
out
there,
the
conversation
is:
that's
out
there
is..
How
do
how
we
view.
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and
this
this
region
in
in
this
country,
for
that
matter.
and
I'm
talking
to
you,
michelle,
when
I'm
talking
about
all
the
people
that
that
are
here,,
you
know.
what?.
What
does
that
really
mean?
and
I'm
gonna
shut
up
in
about
2
min.,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
when
the
open
space
program
was
founded.
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you
know
what
they
meant,
was
it?,
it's
not
gonna,
be
developed,,
you
know.
there.
We
we
won't
see
houses
or
industry,,
commercial
or
anything
like
that..
We
want
to
protect
the
backdrop.,
it
didn't
so
much
focus
on
the
on
the
forefront,,
but
they
did
definitely
focus
on
on
the
backdrop,.
But
in
that,
in
that.
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because
we're
not
clear
about.
are
we
talking
about
the
specific
rights
of
these
organisms
in
this
place.?
Are
we
talking
about
it?
generally,
because
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
times
here
in
boulder,
there,
these
battles,,
as
though
the
future
of
the
bio
versus
client
was
going
to
hinge.
and
what
happens
on
one
particular
piece
of
property?.
It's
just
not
true.
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one
of
the
things
I
enjoyed
from
the
new
york
times
story
was,,
you
know,,
the
kids
taking,
moving
the..
It
was
unclear.
if
they
move
the
volleyball
court
to
move
the
eggs,,
they
move
the
eggs.
yeah,.
They
move
the
eggs
right?,
but
like,,
because
that
was
there.
and
the
kids,
you
know,
got
to
experience
the
nature
right?
ii.
Imagine
they
have
a
lot
more
healthy
respect
for
it.
and
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
ways.
us
opening
trails,
allowing
people
to
go
out,
be
amongst
nature..
Right?
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obviously,:
we
can't
let
everyone
go
everywhere..
There's
some
species
and
sensitive
areas,.
You
know,
that
we
do
need
to
protect..
But
in
my
mind,
you
know,
th,
there's
a
fine
line.
We
need
to
walk
there,
and
there's
there's
some
happy
place
in
the
middle,
where
we're
allowing
people
to
experience
nature,.
So
they
have
a
respect
for
it,
want
to
protect
it.,
but
also.
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and
I
think,
with
5.5
million
visitors,
this
year,,
which
is
more
than
most
national
parks,
receive
in
terms
of
visitation,,
though
smp's
gotta
realize..
You
know
this
is
pretty
well
visited
in
place,
and
and
well
visited
places
sometimes
need
a
little
bit
more
infrastructure,,
and
I
think
that.
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the
team.
over
the
years.,
I
feel
like
osbt
laptop:.
Our
department
has
put
money
and
budget
and
resources
towards
our
education
and
outreach
and
range
and
staff
intentionally,,
because
we
want
to
be
able
to
be
the
front
line
and
be
that
based
on
the
system
to
connect
with
visitors..
So
our
staff
is
one
tool
in
toolbox.
and
last
year
reminder
2022,
like,,
we're
really
proud
of
this.
between
education,
outreach,
staff,,
our
volunteers
and
the
rangers..
They
made
up
131,000
contacts
in
our
community.
A
Osbt
laptop:,
even
if
they
have
a
tiny
little
sound
by
the
time,
they're
trying
to
make
that
heart
connection
really
quickly,
like
when
you're
heading
down
the
trail..
Take
a
look
at
this
enjoy
phone
call.
color
is
like
either
trying
to
connect
in
those
couple
of
seconds..
It's
either
safety
or
that
heart,
connection,
or
natural
history
like
trying
to
bring
those
things
together.
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wsi
and
with
on
the
side.
and
we're
trying
to
really
bridge
the
gap
there,
because
we
can't
be.,
we
have
to
hire
less
than
5.5
visits,,
not
visitors,,
but
we
got
to
hire
right
millions
of
people
in
order
to
have
a
one
for
one
ratio.,
so
we're
gonna
leverage
that
with
our
partners
with
our
community
partner,
so
love
to
hear
more
about
that..
How
can
you
know
what's
on
your
mind?,
where
we?.
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laptop:
we're
always
looking
at.
we're
going
to
always
talking
with
our
other
land
agencies
to
see
what
they're
doing
to
try
to
reach
visitors..
I
think
signage,
as
well,
you
know,
trying
to
be
really
creative
with
our
sign
of
our
sandwich
boards
to
reach
people
where
they're
at..
I
think
all
those
things.
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that
that
can't
be
good
for
us
as
a
community,
or
us
as
a
species,
either,,
and
that's
just
a
kind
of
a
trivial,,
tiny
example..
But
the
other
thing
that's
gonna,
ask
you
to
jump
in.
michelle
is,
is
on,,
you
know,
kind
of..
We
made
a
considered
effort
to
reach,
you
know,
minority,
community,
members.
and.
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laptop:,
and
I
know
we
want
to
do
a
quick
debrief.
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
try
to
address
that
question.
A
little
bit.
janelle.
has
an
amazing
program..
I
mean,
we
gotta
keep
doing
all
the
things
that
we're
doing
in
her
area,
and
and
try
to
reach
out
to
to
folks..
We
also
need
to
be
aware
of
the
micro
things
that
we
do
to
include
or
exclude
people..
They
can
be
mike,.
I
mean,,
if
you
may,
not.
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habitat.,
I
don't
want
to
be
walking
through
invasive
species,
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
wonder,,
I
don't
need
to
go
everywhere.
I
wanna
see
I'll
see
that
hill.
and
if
it's
hca.
and
it's
off
limits,
that's
great.
That
actually
brings
me
more
wonder..
I
kinda
wonder:
what's
there?
and
it's
great
to
have
that
meeting,
I
think
of.
alaska.
I'll
probably
never
go
to
alaska..
I'm
just
so
happy
that
all
that
public
land
is
there,
and
it's
better,
no
reason
why..
So
it's
just
wonder..
So.
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professional
life,
so
osbt
laptop:,
quick
one?.
I'm
super
excited
about
how
we're
doing
it
here
right,
now,
I
mean,
and
I
could
get
really
boring
on
you
and
point
to
asset
management
as
our
big
focus
and
big
change..
How
that
translates
into
is,.
You
pull
into
a
quality,
new
trail
head,
and
you
instantly
feel
it.
D
Osbt
laptop:,
your
whole
experience
is
enhanced,
whether
you
know
it
or
not.,
and
so
I
think
we're
doing
it..
Every
day
we
got
to
do
much
more
of
it..
We
gotta
have
our
eye
on
the
price.
we
gotta.
We
gotta
make
asset
management,
a
primary
focus,
as
well
as
the
human
element
and
the
education
and
and.
D
Osbt
laptop:
all
of
it.
but
it..
It
can
happen
in
very
boring
ways
through
something
like
asset
management,
and
it
can
happen
in
very
sorry,
jeff,
and
it
can
happen
in
very
exciting
the
ways
like
our
lower
boulder
creek
restoration,,
which
we're
gonna
see
in
a
in
a
few
in
a
few
months..
So
it's
happening
every
day.
I
get
to
see
it
every
day,,
so
I'm
probably
more
excitable
nerd
about
it.
D
C
C
C
C
C
C
D
D
E
Osbt
laptop:
yeah.,
I
thought
today
came
along
really
well,
and
I'm
glad
that
we
were
actually
able
to
get
this
particular
location,.
Thanks
to
all
the
staff
that
could
come
here.
and
it
worked
out
perfectly
for
harman,.
For
you
know
one
of
your
first
meetings
to
be
the
retreat
and
then
also
just
want
to
recognize
that.
E
E
E
C
Osbt
laptop:
to
the
board
osbt
laptop:,
reminding
us
that.,
and
now
that
I
was
saying
that
I'm
I'm
thinking,,
maybe
that's
not
what
we
should
do..
So
I'm
gonna
ask
herman
and
michelle
what
they
would
like
to
do
as
far
as
the
work
that
you've
taken
on
for
the
rules
of
procedure..
As
far
as
getting
the
board
input.