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A
B
Patricia
Cardin,
we
have
multiple
master
planning
processes
going
on
and
I
thought.
We
should
make
it
clear
that
she
was
not
referring
to
the
open
space
master
plan.
She
was
referring
to
the
south
boulder
Creek
flood
mitigation
master
plan.
So
maybe
we
just
inserts
out
older
Creek
flood
mitigation,
master
plan.
A
C
D
The
only
thing
I'd
say
is
that
I
remember
from
this
last
meeting.
We
had
extensive
public
comment,
dealing
with
leasing
and
that
I
think
had
said
something
about
our
interest
in
that
and
as
being
something
we'd
like
to
hear
more
about
and
I
didn't
see
that
discussed
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
in
there
where
it
was
in
the
in
our
notes
here,
but
I
I
thought
we
had
mentioned
it
and
I
didn't
see
it
in
there.
So.
A
D
A
F
Hi,
I'm
rachel
friend,
I'm
a
boulder
resident
in
the
frazier
meadows
neighborhood,
I'm
here
to
speak
on
south
boulder
creek
flood
mitigation.
So
I
was
at
the
city's
flood
mitigation
open
house
in
presentation.
Last
week,
I
heard
a
lot
of
people
weighing
in
many
emphasizing
the
urgent
health
and
safety
issues
facing
my
neighborhood
of
South
Boulder
Creek
floods
in
over
tops
us
36
again,
as
it
did
in
2013
some
others
at
the
meeting
lamented
that
they
don't
want
the
area
developed
a
lot
emphasizing
then
it's
a
good
place
for
them
to
walk
their
dogs.
F
They
do
understand
that
vantage
point
as
a
dog
owner
who
lives
a
stone's
throw
from
this
space
and
has
gone
there
with
my
dog,
but
saving
lives.
I
think
has
got
to
come
way
ahead
of
a
convenient
place
for
us
to
play
fetch,
mostly,
though,
throughout
the
presentations
I
just
kept
thinking
about
how
lucky
we
are.
We
have
this
pressing
need
for
flood
mitigation
and
through
some
kind
of
miracle,
good
fortune.
F
F
A
G
Good
evening
trustees,
I'm
Raymond
bridge
435,
South
38th
Street
in
Boulder
and
I
wanted
to
encourage
you
this
evening
to
take
an
active
role
in
directing
the
master
plan,
which
clearly
falls
under
the
Charter
directed
functions
of
the
board.
I
think
this
is
important
because
the
master
plan
so
far
has
taken
public
input
and
compiled
it
without
providing
the
public
with
background
information
and
context
that
would
allow
smo
citizens
to
provide
information.
G
At
Earth's,
I'll
mention
a
few
examples
of
items.
I
think
the
board
should
make
sure
are
covered
in
the
master
plan
under
finance.
It
is
critical
that
the
public
have
enough
information
to
understand
the
department
budget
in
a
meaningful
way,
specifically
in
buckets
that
make
sense
and
show
where
we
will
be
in
the
next
couple
of
years
and
note
that,
by
the
completion
of
the
master
plan,
revenues
will
be
far
less
due
to
expiration
and
repurposing
of
much
of
our
sales
tax
income.
G
It
is
my
belief
that
the
citizens
should
support
a
new
open
space
sales
tax
and
at
a
minimum.
The
master
plan
should
provide
the
data
to
allow
a
serious
discussion
of
why
a
new
tax
is
needed
or
not
needed.
It
should
tell
us,
for
example,
what
do
we
spend
annually
on
trail
maintenance?
What
do
we
spend
annually
on
habitat
restoration?
How
much,
additionally,
would
we
need
to
spend
annually
to
catch
up
on
deferred
maintenance
in
five
years?
How
much
is
buzzing
budgeted
for
the
expansion
and
refurbish
refurbishing
of
the
cherryvale
offices?
G
Note
that
I
can
find
at
least
three
very
different
figures
for
this
and
no
way
to
reconcile
them.
The
point
is
that
the
master
plan
should
include
buckets
that
are
clearly
tied
to
departmental
functions
so
that
the
public
can
make
sense
of
them.
Despite
the
assertion
last
night,
the
financial
section
of
the
system
overview
is
incoherent
and
misleading.
It
mixes
various
functions.
It
does
not
distinguish
between
FEMA
reimbursable
expenditures
and
those
that
are
unrelated
to
the
flood.
G
A
smaller
issue
that
still
needs
to
be
addressed
that
needs
to
be
addressed
in
the
master
plan
is
the
maintenance
of
buildings
that
were
part
of
acquisitions,
but
that
have
no
open
space
purpose
and
that
the
board
and
council
viewed
as
incidental
to
important
purchase
to
an
important
purchase,
but
which
have
never
been
separated
and
sold
some
buildings,
particularly
on
agricultural
purpose,
purchases,
are
integral
to
agricultural
operations.
Others
are
not,
but
can
be
expensive
to
maintain,
particularly
when
they
have
historic,
designation.
G
The
Boulder
Valley
Comprehensive
Plan
asserts
that
these
are
the
responsibilities
of
osm
p,
but
suggest
no
source
of
funding
for
what
is
clearly
not
a
charter
purpose.
In
summary,
the
board
needs
to
take
on
some
leadership
on
the
thrust
of
the
master
plan
and
not
simply
be
driven
by
the
exigencies
of
scheduling.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
the
board
to
provide
the
leadership
as
described
in
the
Charter.
Thank
you
thanks.
H
Hi,
I'm
karen
Crofton
and
while
I
am
a
resident
of
Boulder
I'm,
actually
here
as
the
chair
of
the
environmental
advisory
board,
so
those
of
you
who
may
have
been
on
the
board
two
years
ago
might
remember
that
we
held
a
joint
board
kind
of
workshop
and
I'm
here
to
invite
you
to
one
that
we're
also
gonna
host
again
this
year,
it'll
be
in
September.
Your
staff
liaison
should
think
got
a
pole
today
for
the
exact
date,
but
I
want
to
come
and
just
give
you
a
quick
preview
and
again
a
personal
invitation.
H
H
You
can
look
at
it
later
and
my
information
is
here
for
any
feedback
or
questions
that
you
might
have
I'm
happy
to
answer
them
now,
but
you
can
also
send
them
to
me
and
again
we
really
do
value
your
time,
and
so,
if
there's
any
concerns
or
questions
that
you
have,
that
you
think
can
make
it
a
better
use
of
time
in
advance.
We
haven't
sold
September.
A
H
I
Thank
you
good
evening,
Jim
reader
trails
and
facilities
manager
I'm
here
to
talk
about
that.
The
memo
that
you
got
dealing
with
the
West,
TSA
West,
TSA
purpose
of
that
memo.
Memo
purpose
of
this
memo
is
twofold,
one
to
let
you
know
where
we
stand
with
the
West
TSA
projects,
where
we
had,
and
also
then
to
talk
about
a
change
in
one
of
the
designations
I'm
using
for
one
of
the
trails
out
there.
I
Many
of
those
are
dual
purpose:
in
other
words,
they
were
also
damaged
in
the
flood,
and
so
when
we
went
back
in
and
and
rerouted
them,
we
were
doing
two
things:
fixing
them
from
a
West
DSA's
standpoint
and
also
from
a
flood
standpoint
going
forward.
Well,
basically,
with
the
flood
other
than
those
that
were
damaged
by
the
flood
most
of
the
work
on
implementing,
though
the
West
ESA
ceased,
and
so
we're
now
getting
back
being
able
to
get
back
to
that
as
I've
reported
it
in
the
past.
I
We
only
have
one
more
flooded
project,
FEMA
related
to
do.
We
have
a
couple
other
funded
projects,
but
the
workload
on
the
flood
projects
is
much
less
than
it
has
been
in
the
past.
So
we're
getting
back
to
the
West
here
say
we
have
about
six
projects
there
that
we're
focusing
on
some
of
that.
You
will
be
just
planning
and
design
work
this
year.
Some
will
be
actually
moving
dirt
and
those
those
are
listed
in
the
memo.
I
One
of
the
major
projects
that
we
were
starting
to
look
at
is
the
anatomy
Hill
loop
trail
that
loop
trail
actually
got
started
a
little
bit
before
the
flood
hit
a
couple
of
months
and
then
once
the
flood
came
along,
we
redirected
that
contractor
from
that
project
to
help
us
restore
some
of
the
flooding
work
to
do
some
of
the
flood
work.
So
we
haven't
already
done
anything
on
that.
I
We
should
go
back
and
reaffirm
with
the
Horse
Association
Boulder
County
Horse
Horse
Association,
whether
that
was
something
that
they
still
desired
and
and
we
did
that
we
we
talked
to
the
president
vice-president
of
that
board,
and
they
indicated
that
they
would
take
it
to
the
board
as
a
whole,
and
let
us
know
what
they
thought.
They
did
that
and
came
back
and
basically
said
it
really
wasn't
worth
the
difference
in
cost
to
them.
I
I
One
of
the
issues
that
they
did
raise-
and
we
talked
about-
was
the
lack
of
trailhead
parking
Forge
horse
trailers
in
the
area,
and
that
is
absolutely
something
that
that
is
lacking.
We
have
trail
heads
in
the
area
of
Settlers,
Park,
Centennial,
Chautauqua
and
Wonder
Lake,
and,
quite
honestly,
we
look
at
those
and
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
add
horse
trailer
parking
there.
I
Now
we
will
be
adding
horse
trailer
parking
to
this
Chapman
Drive
trailhead
when
we
reroute
or
when
we
read
there's
at
that
facility
in
the
next
couple
of
years,
but
that's
still
quite
a
ways
up
the
canyon.
There
is
also
the
some
parking
that
might
be
of
use
of
useable,
useful
for
the
horse,
trailer
folks
around
elephant
buttress,
but
that's
not
on
open
space.
So
that
is
an
issue.
I
The
alignment
that
was
in
the
plan
and
was
put
in
there
for
equestrians
will
remain.
It
doesn't
change
the
things
that
will
change
is
that
the
would
change
would
be
the
13
switchbacks
will
be
much
smaller
than
they
would
need
to
be,
for
horses,
horses
can
bend
in
the
middle,
so
they
need
a
wider
radius
and
also
the
approach
to
those
wider
switchbacks
will
be
a
narrower,
and
so,
in
the
long
run
we
will
be
impacting
the
natural
resources
up
there.
I
A
lot
less
also,
so
we
feel
the
the
savings
and
in
money
and
and
in
protection
of
the
natural
resources
is
something
that
we'd
really
like
to
do.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
and
see.
If
they,
you
have
any
questions
on
either
of
those
topics,
either
the
West
TSA
projects
or
the
change
in
use
for
an
enemy.
A
Maybe
it
would
be
useful
just
to
I,
don't
know
how
many
questions
they'll
be
by
their
comments,
but
maybe
be
useful
too
just
to
break
this,
because
there
really
are
two
quite
different
issues
to
start
with
the
West
TSA
trail
projects
other
than
anemone
and
see.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
or
comments
for
Jim.
D
I
just
have
a
question
sort
of
as
we're
dealing
with
budgeting
right
now.
We've
done
the
West
TSA
and
granted.
There's
been
this
sort
of
backlog
from
from
the
flood.
We've
now
done,
the
North
TSA
and
essentially,
where
we're
running
into
this
whole,
like
just
the
projects
that
we
have
that
are
new
major
changes,
are
now
backlogged
like
seven
years
or
eight
years.
D
I
Well,
I
haven't
really
looked
at
it.
That
way
was
what
I've
been.
What
we've
been
looking
at
is
because
of
the
fact
that
we're
looking
at
a
future
with
less
funds,
not
more,
we
haven't
explored
the
opportunity
or
the
desire
to
to
increase
our
staff.
I
guess
we
would,
if
we
found
ourselves
with
money
available
from
grants
or
whatever
I
think
we
would
dinner
for
contractors
so
that
we
wouldn't
be
saddled
with
a
increased
employment
situation
where
we
might
be,
even
though
you
don't
have
to
let
people
go
or
continue
to
employ
them.
I
D
Mean
I
figured
you
wouldn't
be
I'm.
Just
trying
to
my
understanding
is
that
besides
these
two
plans,
we
have
an
amazing
impacto
of
stuff
that
needs
to
be
done.
It's
just
maintenance
and
that's
as
soon
as
the
day.
You
finish
it
we're
working
towards
the
next
day.
You're
gonna
need
to
do
maintenance,
so
I
think
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
reality
right.
The
day,
you've
finished
packing
the
trail
down.
D
What
we
need
to
do
TSA
is
and
that
break
them
down
financially
for
us,
and
then
we
can
say
dear
city,
we
need
attacks
for
maintenance
and
forty
SAS
or
something
because
I'm
really
concerned
that
you
know
we're
now,
six
years
out
of
date
on
one
TSA
we're
two
years
out
of
date
on
another
one
as
soon
as
we're
done
with
the
master
plan,
I'm
betting,
we're
gonna
go
into
another
TSA,
and
this
doesn't
seem
like
a
catch-up
game.
It
seems
like
a
losing
game.
I
Boy
well
taken
I
will
say
that
that
our
two
folks
that
deal
with
stewardship
trail
stewardship
maintenance,
Jared
Roberts
in
Chad
Brotherton,
are
working
diligently
on
putting
together
what
it
will
take
financially
to
get
us
back
to
where
we
have
no
backlog
on
trails,
okay
and
what
that
will
cost
on
a
yearly
basis.
So
we're
working
on
that
we've
had
every
question
and
I
I
haven't
seen
any
preliminary
numbers
yet,
but
I
expect
to
this
month
that.
J
I
I
J
J
D
I
just
had
a
question
about
this
in
terms
of
I
tried
to
read
the
as
it
was
listed
in
this
week's
packet
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
from
that.
If
this
is
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
where
the
lack
of
parking
has
driven
them
to
devalue,
driven
equestrians
to
devalue
this
as
a
potential
equestrian
use
or
if
the
potential
to
have
parking
is
there,
but
because
this
is
not
going
to
be
of
prioritized
for
equestrian
use,
that's
not
going
to
happen.
Does
that
make
sense?
It.
I
I
think
it
does
yes
and
and
I'm
not
willing
to
speak
for
the
BCH
a
board,
but
the
email
that
we
got
from
them
indicated
that
there
were
a
couple
other
reasons
for
their
there's:
a
desire
for
us
to
not
build
it
too
or
willingness
at
least
to
not
have
us
build
it
to
a
question
of
standards,
and
that
would
be
the
fact
that
it,
it's
so
close
to
me,
basically
downtown
that
the
human
traffic
they
feel
out.
There
is
going
to
be
so
heavy
that
it
would
be
impede
the
enjoyment
for
the
horse
community.
I
A
I
I
There's
a
huge
difference
in
just
the
rock
walls.
If
we
do
it
to
hiker
standard
pedestrian
standard
we
can
get
by
with.
Basically
all
those
rock
walls
will
be
four
feet,
high
or
less,
which
will
mean
a
couple
of
things
number
one,
obviously
cheaper,
but
but
also
we
don't
have
to
get
a
county
building
permit.
If
we
go
over
six
they're
all
excuse
me
over
four,
then
we
have
to
deal
with
the
county
building
permit,
plus
the
costs
involved.
A
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
comment,
hopefully
not
too
lengthy,
but
first
I
I
wanted
to
thank
you
and
appreciate
your
reaching
out,
as
you
did
to
that
group.
Anyone
who
lived
in
any
capacity
through
the
West
TSA
yourself,
certainly
included
and
well
this
number
of
us
up
here
and
then
elsewhere
in
the
room
know,
is
that
pretty
much
everything
in
the
US
TSA
came
at
a
price.
There
was
a
lot
of
no.
This
was
a
this
pretty
nominee.
A
Trail
was
actually
a
little
bit
of
a
separate
process
that
came
at
the
very
end,
wasn't
part
of
the
main
CCG
process.
But
there
was
a
lot
of
give-and-take
and
you
know
I
think
almost
any
group,
if
you
ask
them
today,
how
do
you
feel
about
giving
back
something
that
you
got
they'd
say
you
know?
Are
you
nuts.
A
Exchange
for
what
you
know,
yeah,
if
you
give
me
equal
in
return,
that's
fine!
If
you're
just
sort
of
asking
for
a
freebie,
you
know
that's
a
hard
give
I
think
for
people,
and
you
know
the
memories
of
that
are
beginning
to
dim,
but
I.
Think
at
the
time
you
know
almost
everything
was,
you
know
pretty
hard-fought,
and
so
you
know
it's
not
easy
to
ask
a
group
hey.
A
Would
you
mind
giving
up
something
but
I
think
you've
made
a
you
know
a
strong
case
that
it
really
is
for
the
overall
benefit
of
the
system
to
you
know
not
make
that
to
an
equestrian
design
standard
for
the
reasons
you've
given
and
it's
you
know,
certainly,
a
nice
sign
of
goodwill
on
the
horse
associations
part
to
agree
to
that
and
also
not
sort
of
try
to
turn
it
into
some
explicit
quid
pro
quo.
Even
though
had
this
occurred
to
bring
the
West
DSA,
there
may
very
well
have
been
a
very
explicit
quid
pro
quo.
A
So
but
I
would
it's
just
a
comment?
This
isn't,
you
know
any
kind
of
overtaking
here,
but
I
would
certainly
second
your
suggestion
at
the
end
to
you
know
where
there's
an
maybe
an
opportunity
or
something
that
you
know
maybe
is
on
the
margin
with
whether
to
do
a
horse
friendly.
You
know
whether
it's
parking
or
something
to
you
know
take
into
account
the
bit
of
goodwill
that
this
should
earn.
J
I,
too,
want
to
thank
staff
for
reaching
out
to
BCH
a
and
I
think
another
piece
of
information
that
we
have
about
the
parking
in
this
area
and
how
tight
it
already
is,
is
all
the
information
we've
been
getting
from
Ellen
Delamere
I,
just
don't
see
possibly
having
room
for
horse
trailer
parking
in
this
area,
given
the
problems
with
passenger
car
parking
and
vehicle
parking,
so
I
will
support
this.
Thank
you.
K
We
allow
them
on
the
trail
they
can't
actually
be
on,
and
we
say
you
can't
go
off
trail
to
navigate
around
these
parts
that
are
effectively
impossible.
So
strikes
me
is
a
management
and
safety
nightmare.
I
had
a
question
like:
is
there
any
precedent
or
any
wiggle
room
for
allowing
a
corridor
around
a
trail
so
that
you
know
this
could
be
I.
K
L
I
C
K
K
K
I
You
and
Mark
David
Davis,
okay,.
K
K
I
They
indicated
there
are
ways,
but
they
aren't
good
ways.
Yeah
any
means
I
mean
it's
a.
It
would
be
the
things
that
they
talked
about
were
yeah.
We
can
do
do
legally
illegal
parking
and
unloading
the
horses
that
sort
of
thing
they
didn't
like
that
idea,
but
it
could
be
done
the
other.
The
only
other
option
is
really
to
unload
quite
a
ways
away,
and
then
it
becomes
a
long
ride
and
unfortunately
that
long
ride
often
times
will
be
on
concrete
or
pavement,
which
is
not
necessarily
a
great
question.
B
I
A
To
follow
that
up,
there's
also-
and
there
was
a
question
raised
that
seems
to
last
meeting
by
Russell
Hendrickson,
who
was
asking
about
equestrian,
asked
access
to
sanitized
and
I
was
looking
at
the
mic.
Indeed,
Andy
West
TSA
plan
and
a
large
portion
of
the
West
TSA
is
designated
as
horses
allowed,
but
design
equals
pedestrian
is
probably
close
to
half
of
the
trail
mile
at
you
know.
Third,
to
half
the
trail
mileages
in
that
map
is
of
the
black
color
and
I
was
wondering.
A
Is
there
as
a
practical
matter,
a
problem
with
equestrians
getting
on
trails
for
which
there
really
aren't
very
equestrian
friendly
and
getting
themselves
into
trouble?
Or,
conversely,
do
they
either
know
what
the
trail
condition
is
and
never
get
themselves
into
that
problem
in
the
first
place
or
just
turn
around
once
they
realize
this
is
a
poor
choice.
Yeah.
I
I'm
not
aware
of
any
issues
that
have
actually
happened.
Is
it
possible?
Absolutely.
You
know.
One
of
his
main
concerns
was
the
goat
trail
and
if
you
start
up
the
goat
trail,
you're
fine
on
a
horse
for
a
while
and
but
I
could
actually
see.
You
could
get
yourself
in
a
situation
where
the
horse
did
not
turn
around
and
would
have
to
back
out,
which
could
be
very
dangerous
for
both
oars
in
and
the
rider.
I
I
To
be
honest
with
you,
I
never
thought
anybody
to
even
think
about
taking
a
horse
up
there,
but
if
they
don't
know
sure
I
mean
because
if
you
start
at
the
bottom,
it's
a
pretty
nice
trail,
it's
all
really
for
awhile,
and
so
you
start
up
there
and
I
can
see
where
you
could
get
in
trouble.
So
so
that's
what
we've
done
and
that
that
has
now
then
become
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
looking
at.
Okay,.
I
I
mean
it's
perfect
time
to
open
it.
I
mean
it,
never
gets
more
water
than
does
now,
and
we
were
up
there
last
week
and
it
was
absolutely
gorgeous.
So
also.
You
may
remember
that
a
year
ago
May
we
opened
the
IBM
connector,
the
IBM
connector.
As
you
recall,
it
was
in
an
underpass
under
both
well
under
119,
both
lanes
both
mouth
and
the
railroad.
That
underpass
flooded,
probably
about
three
or
four
weeks
ago,
now
turned
out
that
the
sump
pump,
though
we
had
installed,
was
not
functioning.
I
I
Take
a
look
at
which
was
good
and
the
thing
I
discovered
was
that
the
the
pump
actually
was
pumping
it
was
doing
its
job.
It
was
just
overwhelmed
with
a
lot
of
water
and
if
you'll
recall,
we
did
not
get
any
rains
there
at
that
time.
So
there
was
some
drainage,
water,
I,
suspect
from
somebody
are
getting
above
it.
We
haven't
really
traced
that
back,
but
that's
the
only
explanation
I
can
come
up
with.
I
It
might
not
be
the
right
one,
but
we're
gonna
explore
it
and
be
exploring
that
we
have
since
put
in
signs
indicating
that
at
all
times,
there's
the
possibility
for
it
to
be
flooded.
So
when
you
come
around
that
one
curve
was
particularly
coming
from
the
east
of
pay
attention
so
also
last
Saturday
we
had
the
National
Trails
Day
volunteer
project.
The
numbers
for
that
project
are
forty,
seven,
eight,
nine,
nine
hundred
thirteen
and
twenty
eight.
I
I
You
know
I,
just
I
don't
want
to
leave
you
wondering
what
those
numbers
are
so
forty-seven
number
volunteers
that
we
had
eight
that's
the
number
of
hours.
Each
of
them
worked
out.
Their
number
was
nine
hundred.
That's
the
number
of
linear
drill
feet
that
they
roughed
out
and
they
really
enjoyed
that
because
oftentimes
in
the
past,
at
least
with
our
thrill
volunteer
projects
they
get
to
move
crusher
finds
yeah.
This
was
a
little
different,
a
little
more
amenable
to
their
their
interests.
13!
I
That's
the
number
of
those
47
volunteers
that
immediately
signed
up
for
the
fall
project.
The
Public
Lands
Day
project
in
September
to
do
exactly
the
same
thing.
Gonna
work
on
that
trail
and
28
is
the
percentage
of
volunteers
that
signed
up
immediately.
So
anyway,
we
thought
felt
that
was
pretty
impressive.
I
The
other
update,
I
have
and
I
don't
know
Dan
if
you're
gonna
give
this
or
not,
but
I'm
gonna
give
it
first,
and
that
is
that
our
move,
unfortunately,
to
our
new
interim
space
at
25,
2015
3,
has
been
delayed
by
about
three
weeks
so
now
we'll
be
moving.
The
schedule
is
to
be
moving
on
August,
2
and
3.
I
The
delay
is
caused
because
we
can't
get
well.
The
city
can't
get
switches
for
the
Wi-Fi
at
our
new
area
and
there
they're
coming
from
Cisco
and
Cisco's
vendor
who
supported
the
key
part
to
that
is
backlogged
and
something
about
a
three-week
delay
on
that.
We
fully
expect
that
our
contractor
will
stay
with
the
original
deadline
and
the
space
will
be
open
or
be
finished
a
couple
of
weeks
before
we
actually
get
to
move
in
okay.
Thank
you.
E
Want
to
thank
you.
Jim
I,
just
want
to
comment
that
Jim
gave
me
a
sneak
preview
of
the
Boulder
Falls
before
it
opened
and
the
trail
crews
are
still
up
there
and
just
what
artisans
our
trail.
Crews
are.
It's
just
amazing
stone
work
that
they've
done
up
there
and
if
you
have
a
chance
to
get
out
there
on
an
on
Saturday
or
Sunday,
do
that
and
just
appreciate
the
art
and
the
skill
that
was
put
in
there.
So
congratulations
to
gaben
and
the
whole
crew
they're
here
anything.
M
M
So
the
the
citywide
economic
forecast
is
not
new.
It's
the
same
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
the
last
several
months
with
flattening
revenues
from
retail
sales
tax.
We
did
hear
from
you
last
month
that
we
understand
the
changes
from
sales
tax
increments
a
little
bit
better
than
we
understand
the
the
incremental
difference
from
the
the
flattening
sales
tax
revenues
and
to
get
better
at
telling
that
story,
and
so
hopefully
that
hopefully
saw
that
reflected
in
the
materials
this
month
and
we'll
continue
to
address
that
over
the
next
couple
of
months
with
the
operating
budget.
M
So
getting
into
the
changing
sales
tax
increments,
a
little
bit
I
do
want
to
point
out.
The
2018
number
is
a
revision
to
the
current
approved
budget
down
to
point
1,
2
percent.
What
that
basically
did
was
remove
the
growth
assumption
that
was
in
there
at
the
time
that
this
budget
was
approved
last
year,
so
it
revises
28d
18
down
to
a
no
growth
scenario.
M
But
we
we
do
acknowledge
that
the
flattening
citywide
in
sales
tax
collection
is
an
additional
unanticipated
challenge
and
so
we're
actively
working
on
ways
to
manage
that
and
adapt
to
that
as
we
get
new
information
and
from
the
budget
office
and
then
at
your
last
meeting,
you
also
asked
for
some
trend
data
on
annual
expenditures
and
some
forecasts
for
expenditures
where
possible,
I
think
you've
already
you've
already
covered
tonight.
The
financial
scenarios
that
will
come
through
the
master
plan
and
while
we
we
do
have
a
six
year
planning
horizon.
M
We
recognize
that
much
of
the
out-years
will
change
based
on
the
master
plan
and
its
recommendations,
and
after
this
study
session
last
night,
it
seems
pretty
clear
that
financial
sustainability
will
be
a
focus
of
the
master
plan,
so
certainly
more
to
come
there,
but
we
did
build
the
current
six
year
horizon
with
the
information
we
have
right
now.
So
all
of
that
subject
to
change,
and
even
though
we
put
together
a
six
year
horizon,
we
do
only
approve
an
annual
budget.
M
So
we're
really
only
asking
for
approval
of
2019
at
this
time
and
the
other
piece
that
this
trend,
data
shows
and
I
think
we're
working
very
hard
and
very
actively
on.
This
is
some
project
phasing.
So
when,
when
the
flood
in
2013,
we
ended
up
spending
a
couple
of
years
on
some
projects,
design,
scoping
and
permitting,
and
a
lot
of
our
construction
happened
at
the
same
time
across
many
projects,
and
so
you
tend
to
see
some
spike
in
capital
expenditures.
M
When
that
happens,
we
have
onboarding
a
new
work
planning
software
and
common
definitions
and
scoping
and
phasing
across
the
department
and
we're
we'll
be
managing
that
in
a
different
way,
moving
forward
which
I'm
very
excited
about,
and
it
should
level
off
some
of
those
expenditures.
But
the
other
piece
that's
difficult
to
control
is
how
opportunistic
some
of
our
real
estate
acquisitions
are,
and
you
see
that
reflected
in
the
trend
data
as
well
and
finally,
from
from
last
month,
you've
requested
information
on
how
plan
implementation
is
tracked.
M
Capital
projects
and
I
think
Jim
did
a
great
job
in
starting
that
conversation
tonight
and
talking
about
the
West
TSA,
and
we
we
do
provide
periodic
progress
reports
through
the
budget
process
that
go
into
the
citywide
budget
book
talking
about
what
our
accomplishments
have
been
over
the
last
year
and
what
we
expect
them
to
be
over
the
coming
year
and
those
moving
forward
will
all
be
based
on
planning
implementation.
Now
that
we're
moving
on
from
our
FEMA
flood
recovery.
But
certainly
we
heard
you
and
will
provide
better
avenues
to
share
that
information
moving
forward.
M
But
overall
we
thought
we
heard
support
for
increased
investment
in
our
stewardship
activities
and
taking
care
of
what
we
have.
And
hopefully
we
struck
the
right
balance
in
the
2019
CIP,
based
on
your
input
and
then
finally,
before
I,
open
it
up
to
clarifying
questions.
We've
been
getting
some
some
questions
about
the
long-term
campus
vision
and
how
to
separate
that
out
from
the
interim
hub
campus.
What
the
overall
budget
is,
and
so
I
just
want
to
provide
some
clarifying
comments
in
2019.
M
All
we're
asking
for
in
terms
of
the
future
campus
is
$100,000
which
would
be
used
for
a
Cherryville
feasibility
study.
We've
shifted
focus
over
the
last
couple
of
months
and
since
last
year's
CIP
from
thinking,
we
might
acquire
a
parcel
to
build
our
future
campus
on
to
really
focusing
on
redeveloping
cherryvale
as
our
as
our
preferred
site.
So
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
would
be
to
support
that
feasibility
analysis.
M
The
other
thing
that
you'll
notice
in
your
attachments
from
from
this
packet
is
four
million
in
2019,
going
up
to
four
and
a
half
million
by
2020
24
in
reserves
and
reserves
are
meant
to
this
reserve
is
meant
to
signal
that
we
will
most
likely
be
making
a
future
investment,
but
we're
actually
not
asking
you
to
appropriate
any
of
those
dollars.
It's
just
to
say
we
want
to
hold
those
aside,
not
knowing
just
yet
what's
coming,
not
having
great
project
cost.
M
We
just
want
to
hold
those
dollars
while
the
feasibility
happens
and
while
we
figure
out
what's
next,
so
we've
shifted
from
thinking
about
the
engine
up
campus.
That
was
the
approved
funding
in
2017
and
28
to
now.
Looking
forward
in
just
that
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we're
gonna
ask
you
to
look
at
tonight,
so
I
promised
I'd
be
brief.
So
I'm
done
now:
do
you
have
any
clarifying
questions
regarding
our
2019
CIP
project
list
before
we
open
it
up
to
public
comment.
L
J
Have
a
question
on
page
two
of
the
packet
memo
and
it's
it's
not
clear
to
me
whether
there's
a
typo
or
I'm
misunderstanding
what
it
says
at
the
bottom
of
page
two
there
on
the
top
of
page
three
I,
think
it's
a
accomplishments
from
2017
and
18
that
will
be
included
in
the
2019
budget,
and
then
it
lists
things
like
the
Chautauqua
meadow
flood
repair
and
the
50th
anniversary
celebration,
which
I
think
are
long
gone.
So
why
are
we
paying
for
them
in
2019?
That's.
M
A
great
question,
so
this
was
meant
to
follow
up
on
the
periodic
progress
report.
Comment
we'd
like
to
see
the
progress
we're
making
against
initiatives
that
we've
previously
approved
or
budgets
that
we've
previously
approved
so
each
year
in
the
budget
volume
citywide
the
budget
that's
going
forward.
They
also
take
a
look
back
and
they
say
you
know.
Over
the
last
two
years
we've
approved
funding
on
these
projects,
were
they
accomplished?
M
J
Thank
you
and
then
on
the
previous
slide.
Just
so,
I
can
speak
accurately
about
these
monies.
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
that
if
someone
asks
how
much
are
we
spending
or
setting
aside
expecting
to
spend
on
the
reconstruction
or
whatever
we're
calling
it
of
the
cherrybelle
site?
The
answer
is
somewhere
around
a
little
bit
more
than
five
million
yeah.
M
E
Seven
months
we
thought,
when
we
thought
perhaps
Cherryville
wasn't
an
option.
We
were
looking
at
having
to
acquire
land
and
start
from
scratch
and
building
you
know
there
was
an
even
though
those
price
tags
were
just
all
right.
Rough
guess
amiss
they
were
up
in
that
range,
but
so
what
we're
doing
now
is
before
we
actually
start
to
even
think
about
exactly
what
the
price
tag
is.
The
feasibility
study
will
actually
be
able
to
tell
us
what
is
possible
at
Cherryville,
and
and
are
we
talking
about
a
facility
that
could
hold
100%
of
the
staff?
E
It
may
cost
X,
but
can
we
live
with
various
phases
that
are
below
that,
given
fiscal
realities
from
when
it
went
in
terms
of
costs
and
monies
that
were
that
we're
really
starting
from
ground
zero
I'm?
Rethinking
this
thing,
and
so
the
decision
to
refocus
on
Cherryvale
is
sort
of
a
reset
in
that
whole
process
with.
E
And
that's
nuts
and
that's
not
a
promise
to
say
that
the
four
million
will
be
the
cap,
I
mean
but
I
think
from
what
we
were,
maybe
envisioning
two
years
ago,
of
trying
to
find
one
roof
for
a
hundred
percent
of
everything
we
do
given
the
fiscal
realities
that
were
under
today.
That
might
be
unrealistic.
Thank.
A
You
on
this
issue
and
I
think
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
communicating
to
the
public
on
a
specific
issue
which
is-
and
this
is
not
a
criticism-
I
just
make
an
observation-
that
the
campus
vision
issue
has
sort
of
evolved,
largely
as
a
budgetary
numbers
discussion,
and
we
have
not
asked
staff
to
sort
of
explain
to
the
public.
Why
any
of
this
is
happening
and
I.
A
Think
those
of
us
who
physically
go
to
cherryvale
fairly
often
get
on
the
board,
have
some
understanding
of
sort
of
the
day-to-day
problems
that
that
city
has
and
I
would
recommend
it.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
here
at
now,
although
if
you
wanted
to
take
five
minutes,
that
would
be
fine
with
me,
but
I
would
think
at
some
point,
whether
orally
or
in
written
materials.
A
It
would
be
worth
you
know,
it's
sort
of
a
practical
level
explaining
what
is
you
know,
kind
of
wrong
with
that
facility
and
what
has
motivated
the
need
to
move
out
of
that
and
then
decide
whether
to
move
back
in
after
it's
renovated
or
pursue
some
other
option,
because
I'm
not
sure
the
public
understands
what
this
is.
All
about
yeah
I
leave
it
to
you
how
best
you
think
that
information
could
be
conveyed,
but
I
do
think
we.
We
should
make
a
point
of
finding.
E
A
way
to
convey
it,
that's
a
really
good
point,
and
and
just
because
we
actually
started
looking
at
our
space
issues
and
potential
solutions
back
in
2015,
so
I
think
it's
been
such
a
long,
drawn-out
thing
for
us
that
perhaps
we
missed
a
note
on
that
communication
and
and
with
the
eyes
on
cherryvale
being
a
reset.
Certainly
when
we
look
at
developing
a
project
charter
and
a
timeline
for
that
check
in
points
for
communication
is
something
that
we're
building
into
this.
E
To
make
sure
we
perhaps
don't
have
those
missteps
again
so
point
well-taken
as
far
as
why
in
2015
we
began
looking.
Is
that
there's
really
three
main
issues?
First
of
all,
we
have
some
some
serious
issues
that
are
existing
facilities,
so
for
those
of
the
folks
that
don't
know,
we
actually
have
four
separate
campus
sites
consisting
of
five
separate
buildings
that
are
that
our
staff
are
spread
over
the
area
and
a
number
of
those
buildings
have
a
big
upgrade
and
facility
needs
that
our
health
and
safety
concerns
infrastructure
that
really
can't
be
repaired.
E
While
people
are
in
there
if
we
really
want
to
tackle
them.
So
if
we
want
to
tackle
them,
we
can't
be
in
those
spaces,
there's
a
big
inefficiencies
involved.
What
we
heard
back
in
our
space
study
that
we
commissioned
in
2015
and
2016
is
the
fact
that
our
staff
is
spread
out
and
that
our
work
groups
aren't
even
together,
we
may
have
some
workgroup
members
of
a
work
group
of
six
that
are
are
in
Cherryville
North
one
might
be
in
cherryvale
South,
the
others
and
the
annex,
and
so
driving
back
and
forth.
E
20
minutes
each
way
just
to
communicate
with
our
and
that
meetings
with
our
staff
is
is
really
inefficient
and
we
have
significant
space
shortages
from
the
meeting
rooms
that
are
available
and
our
existing
facilities
are
very,
very
limited
I
for
one.
My
personal
experiences
is
that,
when
I
as
real
estate
services
supervisor,
one
of
my
first
Jobs
was
to
hire
a
new
staff
person.
E
E
B
Just
a
suggestion
on
page
three
and
Lauren
first,
thank
you
for
all
your
efforts.
Is
we
keep
requesting
more
and
more
you
dumb
down
the
the
budget?
Presentation
for
us
and
I'll,
probably
add
one
here:
I
really
like
this
table,
I'm
gonna
suggest
a
couple
things
for
you
just
to
consider.
I
think
this
table
should
adopt
2018
as
a
base
year,
because
it's
the
last
year
before
we
start
losing
taxes,
so
you're
showing
changes
from
previous
year.
B
But
frankly,
what
we're
trying
to
show
is
change
from
the
funding
level
that
we
have
in
2018,
so
I
would
suggest
you
consider
that
the
other
thing
if
correct
and
my
memory
may
be
vague
on
this
for
several
years-
we've
been
getting
some
general
fund
money
and
that
maybe
goes
back
to
the
merger
test
yeah
and
that
expires.
We
lose
that
in
2020,
that's
another
1.4
million,
and
so
at
that
point
you're.
B
Looking
at
30%
of
our
budget,
it's
disappearing
so
I'd
like
that
to
show
up
in
the
right-hand
column
that
compared
to
2018
you
get
to
2020
and
you're
down.
30%
I
think
that's
both
accurate
and
important
to
decision-makers.
So
I
would
just
offer
those
thoughts
as
you
keep
trying
to
meet
our
demands.
Yeah.
E
E
We
needed
to
expand
that
for
the
next
year
in
order
to
take
care
of
immediate
property
needs
on
a
host
of
our
new
acquisition
projects.
So,
yes,
okay,
thank
you
and
going
forward.
We
have
left
that
number
higher
than
the
120,
so
we're
not
going
back
to
the
base
year
of
120,
because
the
idea,
too,
is
that
you
know
it
allows
us
flexibility
of
looking
at
immediate
property
needs
even
on
acquisitions.
That
aren't
recent
recent
of
going
back
three
or
four
or
five
years
of
things.
E
We
probably
should
have
taken
care
of,
and
perhaps
didn't
and
allows
us
some
flexibility
to
take
care
of
their
immediate
land,
restoration
needs
or
fencing
needs
or
that
sort
of
thing.
Without
dipping
into
another
person's
budget
to
kind
of
take
care
of
stuff,
we
should
have
taken
care
of
immediately
when
we
acquired
those
lands.
A
couple
of
years
ago,
in.
E
E
M
E
I
know
I
mean
you
know
the
overall,
the
overview
sheet,
which
then
combines
all
of
it
into
one
number
is
perhaps
the
easiest
way
to
look
at
what
maintenance,
but
no
you're.
Absolutely
right.
It's
it's
tricky.
It's
it's
the
balance
between
how
best
to
manage
it
on
the
ground
and
through
our
project
management
systems
and
with
staffing
versus
how
to
communicate
it
to
the
board
and
things
so
and.
J
And
the
question
that
arises
for
me,
given
the
importance
of
communicating
with
the
public
and
transparency
of
how
their
tax
dollars
are
being
spent,
is
whether,
in
this
era
of
computers,
you
can't
key
things
in
two
ways:
one
for
staff,
budget
management
purposes
and
one
to
flip
a
switch
and
have
it
all
spit
out
in
a
way,
that's
buckets
that
are
more
clearly
communicating
to
the
public
how
their
tax
dollars
are
being
spent.
Both
purposes
can
be
served
with
the
same
budgetary
data.
M
B
Agree,
Karen
I
think
people
should
be
able
to
see
how
much
we're
gonna
spend
on
the
North
TSA
implementation.
This
yeah,
for
example,
and
those
projects
that
are
close
to
the
public's
hearts
having
a
crosswalk,
would
really
be
helpful
and
you
know
maybe
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
coming
up
with
a
list
of
generic
things
that
we
think
it's
useful
to
have
a
crosswalk
or
a
dashboard,
or
something
like
that.
But
yeah
I
think
that's
a
good
thought.
A
J
Have
just
one
more
question
just
for
my
own
education
at
the
bottom
of
each
page,
there's
a
total
funding
plan
line
which
is
highlighted,
and
they
vary
somewhat
from
previous
versions
and
I'm
sure
there's
an
explanation
for
that.
But
is
this
total
funding
plan
piece
of
information,
for
instance,
for
land
acquisition
on
page
25
in
May
it
was
14
million,
and
now
it's
30,
almost
32
million.
J
M
Carry
over
money,
the
the
timing,
the
business
rhythm
on
the
budget,
so
we're
working
on
the
2019
budget
right
now
in
February,
when
the
previous
year,
the
books
closed
for
accounting
purposes.
What
was
rolled
over
and
posted
to
that
total
funding
amount
is
anything
that
we
owe
standing
on
contracts
that
weren't
yet
completed.
So
we
called
those
encumbered
funds.
M
What
was
posted
last
week
was
the
remainder
of
your
capital,
carryover
that
was
not
encumbered
against
a
contract,
and
so
we
we
end
up
operating
in
three
years
for
a
little
while,
actually
until
June,
we're
operating
in
three
years,
where
we're
looking
at
finalizing
balances
from
2017
to
understand
what
will
carry
over
and
that's
where
you
see
that
that
difference
from
month
to
month,
it
should
be
entirely
explained
by
so
they're.
So.
M
E
N
N
As
a
quick
overview
of
the
proposed
acquisition,
the
Lippincott
Ranch
straddles
the
Boulder
and
Jefferson
County
line
and
is
a
442
acre
property
featuring
among
other
exceptional
attributes,
diverse
terrain
and
rare
habitats,
exciting
opportunities
for
restoration
and
seasonal
cattle
pasturing.
Portions
have
been
owned
by
the
Charles
and
Shirley
Lippincott
family,
since
the
1930s
and
this
property
has
been
an
acquisition
priority
for
both
OS
MP
and
Jefferson
County
open
space,
since
at
least
the
early
1990s,
the
7.75
million
dollar
purchase
price
will
include
the
vacant,
land,
appurtenant
water
rights
and
any
remaining
mineral
rights.
N
N
As
mentioned
in
the
memo,
the
Lippincott
ranch
fulfills
many
of
our
open
space
and
mountain
parks
charter
purposes
and
is
considered
a
high
priority
for
acquisition
by
program
staff
for
its
important
features,
valuable
resources
and
diverse
habitats.
A
majority
of
the
property
is
of
ponderosa
pine
ecology,
including
stands
of
old-growth
forests,
while
the
cliffs
west
of
the
railroad
corridor
have
historically
supported
nesting
golden
eagles
and
falcons
and
are
expected
to
provide
nesting
for
other
Raptors
as
well.
N
Additionally,
the
bull
Gulch
corridor
serves
as
a
well-used
elk
migration
route
from
the
grasslands
just
west
of
93
to
Winter
Park
and
the
property
will
likely
add
to
the
important
habitat
for
roosting
wild
turkeys
found
on
the
adjacent
properties.
A
large
portion
of
the
ranch
is
designated
high
biodiversity
significance
based
on
previous
inventories
done
by
the
Colorado
Natural
Heritage
Program,
on
surrounding
property
in
terms
of
Water
Resources.
N
Additionally,
the
bull
Goltz
drainage
crossing
the
property
was
heavily
damaged
in
the
2013
flood,
including
an
extraordinary
washout
beneath
the
Union
Pacific
Railroad,
and
while
OS
NP
staff
is
impressed
with
the
remarkable
post
flood
channel
recovery
channel
vegetation
recovery
acquisition
offers
an
opportunity
to
observe
and
manage
this
important
drainage
and
potentially
mitigate
future
flood
impacts
and
I
was
able.
Several
of
you
asked
about
the
the
railroad
washout
and
I
was
able
to
find
the
photo
of
it.
N
From
a
scenic
perspective,
the
property
is
located
within
the
mountain
backdrop
and
is
highly
visible
from
highway
93,
so
open
space
and
areas
of
South
folder,
as
well
as
to
writers
of
Amtrak
on
the
rail
line
that
bisects
the
property.
The
sweeping
views
from
the
higher
elevations
on
the
property
include
downtown
Denver,
Rocky,
Flats
wildlife,
refuge,
general
wind
farm
dia
and
beyond.
As
noted
earlier,
the
properties
of
ephemeral
ponds
provide
suitable
habitat
for
northern
leopard
frogs
and
the
forested
canopy
rocky
cliffs
and
grasslands,
accommodate
diverse
songbird
populations
and
birds
of
prey.
N
The
Lippincott
ranch
is
in
the
vicinity
of
critical
habitat
for
the
purples
meadow
jumping
mouse
and
its
dense.
Ground-Level
vegetation
could
provide
appropriate
habitat
for
this
federally
threatened
species.
Staff
also
has
observed
the
rare
dwarf
led
plant
on
the
property,
as
well
as
areas
of
xeric
tall
grass,
which
is
a
locally
nationally
and
globally.
Rare
plant
community.
N
Excuse
me
tracts
of
this
community
at
Rocky
Flats
and
on
OS
NP
are
possibly
the
largest
remaining
in
North
America.
An
acquisition
of
this
property
represents
continued
connectivity
of
this
community
on
neighboring,
open
space
properties,
as
well
as
the
opportunity
to
expand
the
community
through
management
of
the
grazing.
N
Lippincott
ranch
also
includes
unique
geological
and
historic
elements.
The
property
hosted
refractory
clay
and
shale
mining
in
the
1950s
and
boasts
a
large
hillside
of
unique
ripple.
Rock
and
stunning
stands
sandstone
cliff
formations,
adjacent
properties
have
exposed
dinosaur
tracks
and
plant
fossils,
which
are
expected
to
be
seen
on
the
Lippincott
property
as
well.
An
architectural
e
notable
segment
of
the
historic
Moffatt
rout
of
the
Denver
and
Rio
Grande
railroad,
which
includes
two
tunnels,
also
crosses
the
property
and
with
the
opportunity
to
perform
cultural,
geological,
historical
and
archaeological
surveys
upon
acquisition.
N
Tom
is
that
you,
among
other
potential
passive
recreational
uses,
the
Lippincott
ranch,
offers
the
opportunity
to
partner
to
link
Jefferson,
County's,
Coal,
Creek
Canyon
park
and
plant
rail
system
to
existing
open
space,
mountain
parks
and
CPW
trails
as
visioned
in
the
city's
Eldorado
Mountain
doughty
draw
a
trial,
study
area
plan
and
Jefferson
County's
open
space
master
plan.
The
property
also
includes
the
secret
Craig,
climbing
formation,
which
climbers
have
been
accessing
via
illegal
trespass
for
years.
Acquisition
could
allow
management
of
this
feature.
N
With
attention
paid
to
the
nesting
Raptors
in
the
area,
the
property,
size,
location
and
scenic
features
make
it
appealing
for
public
access
and
Recreation.
So
careful,
coordinated
management
considerations
will
be
made
to
balance
the
potential
conflicts
between
public
use
and
ongoing
agricultural
operations
and
protection
of
the
sensitive
environmental
resources.
N
The
ranch
property
is
actively
used
for
seasonal
cattle
grazing,
and
this
is
expected
to
continue
via
an
agricultural
release
with
current
the
current
tenant.
Upon
closing
the
Lippincott
ranch
property
has
been
a
high
priority
for
acquisition
by
both
OS
MP
and
Jeff
Cove
for
decades
and
is
identified
in
the
goals,
recommendations,
objectives
and
criteria
of
various
planning
documents,
including
osm
peas,
acquisition
plan,
El,
Dorado,
mountain
daddy,
draw
trial,
study
area
plan
as
well
as
Jefferson
County's
master
plan,
north
mountain
areas,
north
mountains
area
plan
and
Coal
Creek
Canyon
management
plan.
N
This
prioritization
speaks
to
how
the
agencies
have
recognized.
A
property
is
an
important
contribution
to
the
continued
quality
of
life
of
our
communities.
Acquisition
would
ensure
the
property
could
not
be
developed
into
35,
acre,
Ranchettes
or
even
smaller
Lots,
and
would
prefer
that
excuse
me
would
further
protect
the
aesthetic
attributes
of
the
mountain
backdrop,
landscape.
N
N
Additionally,
there
is
an
upper
there's,
a
possibility
that
the
agencies
will
be
partnering
to
apply
for
a
goko
open
space.
Excuse
me
great
outdoors
collar
open
space
grant
during
the
upcoming
2018
cycle,
which
would
provide
reimbursement
of
some
of
the
acquisition
and
transaction
costs
if
awarded
well.
This
is
the
most
likely
scenario
likely
and
desirable
scenario.
The
board's
recommendations
and
approvals
this
evening
allow
for
the
flexibility
for
the
city
to
acquire
the
property,
with
or
without
bump
of
financing
and
with
or
without
partnership
with
Jefferson
County.
N
Upon
acquisition,
the
property
will
remain
closed
to
the
public
until
resource
assessment
and
management
recommendations
are
developed
during
joint
management
planning
and
integration.
During
this
time,
o
SMP
and
Jefferson
County
staff
would
more
closely
evaluate
the
resource
and
invasive
management
and
proposed
uses
and
improvement
needs
of
the
property.
It
is
anticipating
the
interim.
The
property
will
be
leased
to
agricultural
tenants
to
provide
continuity
of
the
agricultural
operation
and
I'm
happy
for
you.
The
staff
recommendation
for
emotions
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
I
will
show
you
some
other
pictures.
N
N
Right,
Oh
where'd
it
go
wait
away,
she's
like
a
mom.
Well,
you
go
to
the
last
slide
if
you
can't
over
there
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
somewhere
in
the
memo
the
there's
some
mathematical
issues,
the
on
my
part
anywhere.
You
see
the
the
Boulder
municipal
property
authority,
financing,
the
initial
down
payment
and
earnest
money
would
actually
end
up
being
ten
percent,
which
is
actually
seven
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
not
seven
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars.
L
O
O
We
we
had
the
pleasure
of
bringing
our
open
space
Advisory
Committee
on
the
site
tour
about
six
weeks
ago,
or
so
they
they
were
quite
impressed
with
the
property
very
supportive.
Last
week,
at
our
monthly
open
space,
Advisory
Committee
meeting,
they
did
make
a
recommendation.
The
Board
of
County
Commissioners,
to
approve
this.
This
acquisition,
this
partnership
on
this
dual
funding
scenario
that
could
either
be
with
Bumba
or
one-time
cash
transaction.
O
So
we're
very
excited
about
this
I
think
there's
enormous
possibilities
for
us
to
continue
our
work
together
with
with
Oh
SMP
and-
and
this
isn't
the
first
project
that
we've
done
together.
We've
purchased
Rocky
Flats,
section
16
together
along
with
Boulder
County,
we
have
worked
on
the
Rocky
Mountain
Greenway
together
and
continue
that
work
together
with
with
soil
testing
on
the
various
locations
in
this
property.
O
O
Be
briefing
the
board
on
June,
26th
and
they'll
put
it
on
a
hearing
agenda
shortly
thereafter.
So
probably
sometime
in
July
gets
a
little
touchy
with
vacation
schedules
this
time
of
year,
there's
a
number
of
BCC
hearings
that
get
cancelled,
but
I'll
get
it
on
sometime
in
July,
for
their
approval.
They've
also
been
briefed
an
executive
session
and
are
supportive
of
the
acquisition.
J
N
Problem,
so
this
property
was
acquired
in
in
three
I,
do
believe:
I
have
three
deeds
and
and
again
dating
back
to
the
1930s,
and
the
initial
review
of
the
title
is
that
if
there
are
any,
there
are
likely
none,
but
there
is.
There
is
one
questionable
one
questionable
reservation
and
so
that
one
that
we're
looking
close
more
closely
at
but
with
any
acquisition.
Even
if
you
know
you
see
that
the
the
mineral
rights
are
reserved,
we
typically
would
ask
at
least
for
a
quick,
quick
claim
deed.
N
D
Just
had
a
sort
of
mapping,
question
I
was
looking
at
the
packets
map
and
then
I
brought
up
some
other
maps
that
show
parcels
and
and
ownership
and
on
the
section
of
this
property
that
goes
off
to
the
east,
this
sort
of
and
handle.
If
you
will,
the
northern
part
of
that,
it
appears
that
it
doesn't
align
properly
with
the
city
of
Boulder
owned,
open
space
like
there's
a
sliver
that
you
know
might
be
two
hundred
feet
wide
or
something
is
that
map
error
or
or
is
that
actually,
like?
L
A
A
B
D
A
J
J
I
move
that
the
open
space
Board
of
Trustees
recommend
to
the
City
Council
that
we
approve
the
purchase
of
approximately
four
hundred
and
forty-two
acres
of
land
and
the
pertinent
mineral
and
water
rights
from
Charles
and
Shirley
Lippincott
for
seven
million.
Seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
open
space
in
mountain
parks
purposes.
B
So
for
the
second
motion,
I
was
going
to
propose
just
in
some
a
few
additional
words,
and
only
because
folks,
particularly
the
public,
hear
the
word
disposal
and
usually
when
we're
disposing
of
something
we're
giving
up
all
control
over
it.
We're
often
giving
it
over
to
completely
different
use
than
open
space,
clearly
disposals
in
the
correct
legal
term,
but
I
would
just
recommend
this
addition.
That
would
come
after
Jefferson,
County
there'd
be
a
comma
and
it
would
say
for
the
purpose
of
open
space
consistent
with
the
OSM
P
Charter.
B
N
The
intergovernmental
agreement
itself
says
that
the
you
know
that
we're
acquiring
and
partnering
pursuant
to
both
our
Charter
and
they're,
enabling
resolution
and
we're
and
those
have
to
be
consistent
with
we
with
each
other
and
where
they
conflict
them.
We
can't
necessarily
do
those
things,
and
so
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
this,
because
if
we
were
to
dispose
to
any
private
party
or
anything
like
that
of
anything,
we
would
have
a
basically
a
deed
restriction
or
open
space
purposes.
So
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
a
problem
with
it.
O
B
And
so
there'd
be
a
comma
I
think
after
a
resolution,
so
this
would
get
subordinate
clause
there
does
that
make
sense
to
folks,
and
again
most
of
that
was
just
for
public
consumption.
So
when
it's
on
their
council
agenda
it
uses
a
disposal,
it
doesn't
look
like
we're,
buying
something
and
then
giving
it
away
for
who
knows
what
reason
yeah.
L
L
A
E
Well,
thank
you
to
kudos,
first
of
all
to
Pat
Lippincott
and
her
family
for
all
the
patience
that
you
provided
us
over
the
last
few
years
in
order
to
construct
this
opportunity
and
also
to
Bethany.
This
has
been
a
project
that
our
staff
has
been
entrenched
in
in
the
past
two
years,
and
you
can
imagine
it's
a
large
acquisition
in
and
of
itself
that
would
have
required
some
due
diligence.
E
You
add
in
a
partnership
with
Jefferson,
County
and
and
and
building
that
relationship
to
the
point
where
we
can
get
together
on
terms
and
conditions,
and
then
you
throw
in
bumpa
and
how
bumpa
can
be
done
with
a
partnership.
It
was
enormous
ly,
complex
and
I
just
want
to
thank
Bethany
not
only
for
her
smarts
but
for
her,
but
for
her
perseverance.
So
thank
you.
I.
O
O
We
went
to
high
school
and
towns
that
are
seven
miles
apart
in
New
Jersey,
and
learned
that
within
the
first
five
minutes
of
meeting
each
other,
so
that
was
it
was
interesting
one
of
the
things
I
we
would
always
trade
swag
give
each
other
things
from
our
various
organizations.
One
thing
I
didn't
mention
earlier
that
we're
working
on
with
OS,
MP
and
state
parks
is
a
great
outdoors,
Colorado
conservation,
excellence
grant
and
that's
really
centered
around
visitor
stewardship
education.
O
K
K
I'm
happy
to
take
it
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
you
had
something
prepared,
you
wanted
to
talk
about.
No
okay,
I,
think
mark
and
I
can
handle
this.
So
one
year
ago,
I
think
at
my
very
first
meeting,
I
was
appointed
to
the
GAC.
You
know,
let's,
let's
pile
on
the
new
kid,
but
no
I'm
I'm,
looking
forward
to
serving
on
this
body,
which
means
approximately
once
a
year
at
the
time
that
we
go
and
approve
the
CIP.
K
L
P
Andy
palster
the
AG
water
and
vegetation
stewardship
supervisor,
and
it
was
my
staff
or
staff
in
the
vegetation
management
program
doing
that
application.
In
that
particular
instance,
we
were
treating
taller
grass,
which
is
one
of
the
species
where
glyphosate
is
the
only
effective
alternative
that
we've
been
able
to
find.
So
far,
do
you
have
specific
questions
that
you
want
answered
in
so
Lisa
made
made
contact
with
our
employee
and
also
sent
message
to
the
hotline?
We
reviewed
the
incident.
We
reviewed
the
application
protocols
and
the
posting
protocol
that
was
followed.
P
We
found
that
in
general,
the
application
protocols
and
training
were
followed
per
city
guidelines.
The
posting
it
was
posted
once
I
believe
at
approximately
30th
Street
on
the
bike
way.
It
did
have
a
map
that
showed
the
treated
area
as
we
reviewed
the
sites.
We
did
find
that
we
probably
should
have
posted
that
at
three
separate
three
locations
rather
than
one.
P
J
P
I
believe
Lori's
been
using
weed
whipping
where
we
have
more
continuous
populations
where
we
can,
where
the
staff
can
whip
larger
areas,
but
I
think
she
believes
that
in
spot,
when
you're
doing
spot
locations,
it's
much
more
effective
to
use
their
herbicide.
In
that
context,
she
she's
been
whipping
I
believe
since
approximately
2009
it
takes
seven
to
eight
years
for
us
to
see
impact
from
that
treatment,
and
this
particular
species
has
greatly
expanded
down
our
waterways
since
2013,
and
we
and
we're
trying
to
keep
it
contained
to
foothills
areas.
J
L
P
Q
We
we
put
together
the
first
response
with
the
information
we
had
at
that
time
and
since
that
time,
Andy
and
his
staff
have
spent
a
lot
of
time,
doing
some
procedural
reviews
and
meeting
and
discussing
what
happened
and
what
we
can
plan
on
doing
in
the
future.
So
one
of
the
questions
that
council
member
marcelw
asked
was
if,
if
we
can
completely
eliminate
glyphosate
from
use
in
the
city
and
the
background
on
that
is
we
have
eliminated
it
for
use
in
urban
areas
when
at
your
urban
landscaped
areas.
Q
So
it's
not
used
on
parks,
it's
not
used
on
medians
and
we
and
we've
been
phasing
it
out
for
a
number
of
years.
We
started
with
the
formula
the
products
were:
the
surfactants,
the
wetting
agents
had
some
pretty
serious
toxicity
issues
and
then,
as
more
and
more
research
came
out
that
the
active
ingredient
itself
had
issues,
we
stopped
using
it
completely
in
urban
areas.
So
our
staff
are
our
open
space
and
parks.
Natural
and
staff
have
been
over
the
years
on
our
own
initiative.
Q
We've
been
phasing
it
out,
so
in
most
uses,
there's
just
a
tiny
number
of
uses
where
staff
feels
like
it's
still
potentially
needed,
and
this
tall
grass
situation
was
one
of
those.
We
assess
several
other
herbicides
that
have
issues
too,
and
so
it
was
really
a
difficult
decision
to
make.
You
know
what
what
to
use.
We
are
looking
at
the
least
toxic
herbicide
that
we
used
to
replace
a
bunch
of
other
glyphosate
uses
to
see
if
it
will
work
for
tall
oak
grass
and
so
we'll
be
doing
some
testing
on
that.
Q
Q
It's
just
water,
and
so
it's
a
proof
for
aquatic
use,
and
so
their
concerns
are
some
of
the
other
pesticides
that
we
prefer
herbicides.
That
we
prefer
for
aquatic
use
may
have
limitations
for
some
things
that
they
think
they
might
use
it
for.
So
we're
looking
at
some
ideas,
like
maybe
having
exceptions,
a
formal
process
for
exceptions,
but
we're
looking
at
that,
and
we
will
try
to
have
a
formalized
glyphosate
use
policy.
Our
guidelines
developed
by
the
fall
since
it's
a
really
busy
time
for
field
staff.
D
Just
I
mean
I'm
working
on
projects
that
address
glyphosate
at
a
national
scale,
so
I'm
pretty
aware
of
the
toxicity
and
complications
of
it.
We
would
thing
or
whacking.
If
it
uses
a
two-stroke
motor
is
like
firing
that
up
for
an
hour
is
the
same
amount
as
if
you
drove
a
Chevy
v8
truck
around
all
year,
long
non-stop
so
from
a
carbon
standpoint.
So
it's
not
to
say
one
thing
is
good
and
one
thing
is
bad:
they
all
have
negative
consequences.
D
So
weighing
those
properly
you
know
to
say
we're
gonna
go
out
there
and
use
a
two-stroke
engine
to
mow
all
this
down.
You
might
be
saying:
well,
we
didn't
use
glyphosate,
but
we
did
just
put
so
much
carbon
into
the
atmosphere.
Maybe
that
wasn't
a
win-win
situation,
so
I'm
not
sure,
there's
an
easy,
good,
clean
answer
for
this.
A
K
Cific,
the
CIP
I'm
sure
will
have
some
questions
related
to
the
art
project,
so
just
on
the
CIP
do
we
have
anything
for
me
to
take
back
okay
and
how
about
the
art
project
so
just
to
kind
of
give
an
overview
for
the
Arapahoe
underpass
transportation
project,
which
is
where
Boulder
Creek
passes
underneath
Arapaho
Avenue.
This
underpass
is
going
to
be
reconstructed
for
a
few
different
reasons,
one
of
which
is
that
it
floods
quite
a
bit
as
part
of
that
underpass
reconstruction
project.
K
We
have
a
very
robust
public
arts
initiative
here
in
the
city
of
Boulder
and
there
has
been
a
related
art
project
that
has
been
approved
for
installation
underneath
the
underpass,
the
artist
who
has
been
contracted
to
create
artwork
for
this
underpass.
The
concept
is
to
reflect
LED
lighting
off
of
the
surface
of
the
creek
at
the
point
of
the
underpass,
so
that
the
LED
lights
will
then
reflect
back
up
onto
the
underside
of
the
underpass,
which
is
just
a
big
flat,
concrete
area
and
create
these
beautiful
patterns.
K
So
that's
kind
of
an
overview.
So
we
I.
Could
you
put
up
that
so
there?
There
are
many
different
boards
who
send
a
member
to
the
greenways
Advisory
Committee.
One
of
one
of
those
boards
is
the
environmental
advisory
board
and
the
EAB
met
one
week
ago
and
just
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
discussing
this,
and
here
are
the
questions
that
they
brought
up
to
send
up
to
the
greenways
Advisory
Committee
for
a
discussion.
K
I
wanted
to
display
these
questions
to
you
and
I
think
mark
even
has
handouts,
but
because
I
felt
that
a
lot
of
these
same
questions
would
be
questions
we
came
up
with
so
in
hopes
that
it
might
help
shorten
our
discussion.
I
thought
I'd
make
those
available
to
everyone.
Thanks
mark
I
appreciate
it
I.
K
Had
some
concerns
about
the
effect
of
aquatic
life
as
well
as
nearby
critters,
you
know
insects
and
whatnot
and
so
of
installing
lighting
in
this
underpass
and
allowing
it
to
reflect
off
of
the
water
surface
and
also
I'm
sure,
propagate
and
underneath
the
water
as
well.
I
asked
for
some
scientific
papers
got
got
a
robust
response
and
then
quickly
forwarded
them
to
Kurt.
K
K
The
packet
item
is
a
little
nonspecific
about
some
important
things,
such
as.
How
long
are
the
lights
on
you
know
in
how
long
of
a
stretch
of
the
creek
you
know,
but
I
think
with
a
robust
discussion
by
this
board
by
other
boards
and
at
the
greenways
Advisory
Committee
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
adequate
adequately
express
our
concerns
to
staff
so
that
they
could
take
these
things
into
consideration.
K
R
Hello,
everyone,
fishermen,
environmental
planning,
supervisor
or
planning
and
design
supervisor.
Excuse
me
so
the
wetlands
ordinance,
wetlands
and
water
body
protection
ordinance
is
part
of
the
land
use
codes.
So
it's
something
administered
by
the
Planning
Department
and
a
portion
of
that
code
prohibits
the
installation
of
lighting
within
regulated
wetlands,
so
in
inside
the
city
limits
outside
of
city-owned
properties.
These
are
all
mapped,
so
anything
that's
mapped
is
a
wetland,
even
if
it's
under
an
underpass
falls
under
the
jurisdiction
of
this
ordinance.
R
So
those
are
kind
of
some
of
the
facts
associated
with
that.
So,
what's
going
on
now
is
that
the
the
city
manager
who's
functionally,
who
the
code
calls
upon
to
issue
the
variance
through
the
Planning
Department
Planning
and
Development
Services
staff
are
requesting
that
the
Green
Wave's
Advisory
Committee
provide
a
recommendation
to
the
city
manager
actually
by
Planning
and
Development
Services
on
whether
or
not
a
variance
should
be
issued
for
the
purpose
of
the
installation
of
this
art
project
as
I
would
not
otherwise
be
allowed
under
the
conditions
of
the
land-use
code.
B
A
It
is
a
little
dingy
by
the
standards
of
under
passes
water,
but
not
it
doesn't
flood
to
the
point
of
closure
very
often,
but
is
there
something
about
this
underpass
that
makes
this
a
particularly
appropriate
place
to
have
you
know
an
illuminated
piece
of
public
art,
as
opposed
to
you
know
more
traditional
sort
of
your
old
type
art
that
we
have
in
a
lot
of
our
underpasses
and
a
lot
of
which
to
my
aesthetic
look
great
because
it's
easy
to
explain.
Well,
there's
some
downside
here.
K
I
think
that
that's
feedback
that
we
can
provide
definitely
I
mean
like
this.
As
Mark
said,
this
went
through
the
Arts
Commission
and
I
mean
it
says
in
our
packet
that
there
were
20
or
more
artists
who
developed
concepts
and
put
them
forward,
and
the
Arts
Commission
selected
this
one
as
exciting
and
yeah
exciting.
J
A
A
K
A
Q
B
Alone
about
this
and
I
did
with
your
question
we
know.
Is
we
if
you're
riding
a
bike
ring,
let's
say
daytime
it's
very
bright?
Sun
you
go
under
any
of
these
under
passes,
it's
quite
a
change
in
lighting
and
that's
a
sort
of
a
constant
hazard.
But
if
we
install
something,
that's
really
cool
and
people
stop
and
congregate
around.
Is
that
gonna
be
a
problem
when
you're
also
trying
to
use
that
re
for
transportation?
B
B
D
D
It
might
be,
and
to
the
other
underpasses
that
are
currently
lit,
mm-hmm
because,
like
just
because
it's
as
bright
as
the
moon
doesn't
really
answer
for
me
like
if
we
have
40
other
ones
that
are,
and
this
one's
not
quite
as
bright
as
that
other
than
like.
Well,
maybe
made
this
isn't
as
much
of
a
concern,
or
maybe
it
is
I,
don't
know.
Maybe.
K
A
With
that,
we
need
to
make
a
quick
decision,
whether
we
want
to
adjourn
and
go
and
address
the
master
plan
and
study
session,
which
are
certainly
set
up
to
do.
Thank
you,
or
do
people
wanted
to
stay
where
we
are?
We,
there
is
a
sort
of
a
formal
vote
and
we
need
to
close
the
meeting
if
you
want
to
go
to
study
session
I,
just
wanna
I,
just.
A
E
S
All
right,
it's
me
tonight,
Tom,
thank
you
hi
everyone!
Thank
you
again
for
being
here
again
in
the
same
place.
24
hours
later,
we
very
much
appreciate
your
time.
We
are
interested
in
hearing
your
additional
feedback
as
a
result
of
the
conversation
that
we
heard
from
everybody
last
night,
and
we
are
hoping
to
keep
tonight's
study
session
to
an
hour
if
we
can
do
that,
and
certainly
Tom
I,
welcome
your
your
support
and
facilitation
we'll
work
through
this
together.
S
What
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
is
that
we
do
have
a
rough
agenda
for
approaching
this.
My
hope
is
that
we
can
briefly
recap
the
joint
study
session
and
I've
got
a
slide
to
do
that,
to
kick
us
off
and
then
to
discuss
the
options
that
we,
as
staff,
saw
emerging
from
that
discussion
and
to
get
your
feedback
on
these
focus
areas
and
the
alignment
of
the
related
topics
prior
to
the
formal
approval
of
those
focus
areas
and
then
talk
about
summary
and
next
steps.
B
S
S
Sure
so
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
give
you
a
brief,
sketch
and
I
think
that
you
know,
as
Tom
and
Kurt
certainly
know,
we
need
to
work
further
with
the
process
committee
to
refine
our
approach,
and
so
what
I
will
offer
is
that
we
in
terms
of
the
the
general
sketch
for
the
next
few
months,
getting
us
to
strategy
development.
We
obviously
need
to
wait
until
July
to
get
the
formal
approval
from
boarding
council
before
we
know.
We
have,
in
fact
our
our
marching
orders.
S
That
then
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
assemble
a
set
of
best
practices,
research
in
relation
to
the
related
topics
and
focus
areas
looking
across
agencies,
whether
that's
internal
to
the
US
or
across
the
world.
Looking
for
ideas
and
opportunities
that
we
can
explore,
as
well
as
evaluating
our
current
policy
in
relation
to
the
related
topics
and
focus
areas.
So.
B
S
S
So
it
means
that
when
we
look
at
perhaps
what
might
seem
like
an
exhaust
list
of
related
topics,
we
might,
as
we
start
to
assemble
the
best
practices
and
existing
policies
realize
that
there's
actually
overlap
between
some
of
those
and
they're
best
described
kind
of
in
concert
with
each
other.
We
might
realize
that
there
are
nuances
to
those
and
perhaps
need
to
break
them
out,
as
we
start
engaging
with
the
community
around
strategies.
We
may
then,
even
at
that
point,
realize
that
there
were
nuances
or
subtopics
within
those
that
we
hadn't
previously
identified.
I.
B
J
You
said
monitoring
day,
look
at
monitoring
data
and
trends.
Yeah
excuse
me
sure,
look
at
monitoring
data
and
trends
right.
My
question
related
to
that
is:
is
there
a
step
where
we
identify
needs,
since
this
is
based
on
needs
and
my
view
of
the
discussion
last
night?
Is
we
had
everything
in
the
kitchen
sink
included
in
that
discussion,
with
an
understanding
that
there
were
limits
on
the
financial
resources
so
somewhere
in
the
process?
It
seems
to
me
we
need
to
identify,
needs.
T
Yeah,
no,
it's
a
great
point
Karen
if
I
think
just
a
pretty
context
on
the
related
topics.
If
you
remember
when
we
did
the
project
management
plan
and
we
came
to
what
will
the
focus
there,
you
know
let's
get
on
with
the
focus
areas.
The
information
from
the
process
committee,
which
was
then
related
back
to
the
board,
was
let's
get
some
themes
in
place
that
you're
aware
of,
as
we
go
into
this
so
in
a
similar
way,
as
we
got
the
focus
areas
together
before
we
dive
into
strategies.
T
Are
there
topics
that
might
inform
them
as
a
bridge?
And
so
essentially
the
focus
areas
have
this
almost
like
a
for
want
of
a
better
word
phrase:
a
shopping
list
of
topics,
but,
let's
be
clear,
they
came
from
the
public
participation
and
the
public
described
these.
So
we're
just
reflecting
this
list
of
topics
absolutely
as
we
get
into
the
strategies.
T
We
do
have
obviously
at
some
point
towards
the
end
of
the
plan
to
get
into
fiscally
constrained
action
envisioned
in
terms
of
the
financial
scenarios
for
how
this
plays
out,
and
that
will
cause
us
to
prioritize
the
strategies
around
things
like
what
are
the
needs?
What's
critical
for
the
department
based
upon
scientific
research,
public
information,
you
know
we
bring
all
that
together,
as
you
described,
an
iterative
approach
that
ultimately
wants
it
to
run
through
the
budget
list
will
say.
T
Yes,
these
are
the
actions
we
can
get
to
in
terms
of
a
fiscally
constrained
environment,
then
here's
the
action
items
and
then
the
vision
items,
and
that
comes
just
before
we
get
to
the
draft
plan
itself.
So
there's
no
surprises,
hopefully
in
the
draft
plan.
I
think
what
Darrin
made
a
clear
point
on
was
when
we
went
to
process
committee
last
month
there
was
a
little
discussion
on
yes,
how
do
we
develop
the
strategies?
What's
the
approach?
Is
there
some
questions?
T
We
asked
first,
how
do
we
work
with
the
public,
so
we
do
need
to
get
that
clarified
in
July
and
then
bring
that
back
to
the
board
and
initially
we
said,
let's
do
a
the
retreat
and
then
we
spoke
about.
Well,
maybe
that's
a
joint
session,
so
we
just
need
to
finalize
when,
when
we
can
bring
this
discussion
on
how
we
develop
the
strategies
back
to
the
board
after
we
get
approval
from
process
committee.
T
The
sense
that
we
have
that
we
begin
with
the
related
topics
and
hopefully
will
fine-tune
it
and
get
into
what,
as
you
pointed
out,
are
the
needs
what's
critical
for
the
department
to
work
on
over
the
next
10
years.
So,
yes,
there
will
be
a
how
I
could
imagine
as
we
go
through
this
we'll
get
to
a
point
in
the
beginning,
I
think
when
we
talked
about
the
project
management
plan,
we
said
each
focus
area
might
have
between
like
four
to
seven
strategies.
T
K
K
That's
gonna
occur
right,
and
so
the
to
me,
that's
like
an
overarching
need
that
ends
up
happening
as
part
of
this
discussion
is
creating
a
work
plan
for
our
heart,
open
space
department
through
this
community
conversation
right
and
so
everything,
in
my
view,
everything's
on
the
table,
and
so
many
people
have
so
many
things
that
they're
really
concerned
about,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
start
ranking
those
depending
upon.
Well,
what
do
we
can
work
on
right,
yeah
in.
T
S
That
Andrea
I
think
it's
really
important
to
understand
that
this
is
the
first
step.
I
mean
by
identifying
focus
areas
that
in
and
of
itself,
is
an
active
prioritization,
and
so
that's
our
first.
The
next
is
then
starting
to
identify
the
the
universe
of
related
topics,
then
going
and
assembling
the
data,
the
trends,
the
best
practices
that
support
those
which
will
additionally
give
us
another
opportunity
to
bring
strategies
to
the
community
consider
and
work
through.
S
B
S
Appreciate
that
curtain
and
I
think
that
you
know
to
put
a
fine
point
on
what
Mark
was
introducing
earlier,
that
the
next
process
committee
meeting
is
an
important
meeting
and
I
say
that,
because
we,
when
we
initially
brought
up
the
the
approach
to
developing
strategies
at
the
last
meeting,
you
know
we
had
a
conversation
about
how
how
directional
should
staff
be
in
that
approach?
How
much
should
staff
primed
the
pump
and
wanting
to
be
careful
about
how
we
approach
that
process?
T
And
and
what
a
doubt
is
if
I've
heard
correctly,
then
you
heard
this
board
member
on
the
process
committee
has
made
a
recommendation
that
have
the
next
process
committee.
We
discuss
how
we
might
emphasize
the
related
topic
areas
to
give
staff
a
little
bit
more
direction
and
whether
that
staff,
the
board
or
whoever
we
can
work
out
in
the
process
committee,
bring
it
back
to
the
board,
get
confirmation
and
then
stuff
can
move
forward
from
there.
B
B
I
mean
I'm
gonna.
Ask
the
general
question
that
I've
already
had
mark
is
you
guys
are
up
your
eyeballs
in
this
stuff
and
you're
thinking
ahead
to
the
process,
we're
gonna
get
into
with
the
public
and
meetings
and
facilitators
and
etc,
etc?
And
so
my
question
from
the
beginning
has
been:
you
have
a
number
in
mind
in
terms
of
how
many
related
topics
we
can
manage
without
extending
this
on
for
another
six
months.
T
T
It's
interesting
I
think
when
we've
done
a
little
bit
of
analysis-
and
you
know
our
general
experiences
you're,
seeing
about
four
to
seven
strategies
per
focus
area
emerge.
But
what
I
want
to
be
clear
about?
Is
you
might
begin
to
go
back
to
that
fiscally
constrained
action
vision?
You
might
be
saying
if
we
did
seven
for
each
focus
area,
we
could
end
up
with
the
system
in
perfect
condition.
However,
based
upon
our
prioritization,
we
can
only
get
four
in
this
one
three
and
that
one
based
upon
budget
staff,
everything
what
that
points
out.
T
You've
always
got
those
gaps,
you're
trying
to
fill,
and
it
could
because
there's
an
emerging
trend
come
through
climate
changes
emerging.
So
you
know,
do
you're
dealing
with
that
changing
condition
and
you're
trying
to
respond
to
that.
So
my
sense
is
think
we
agreed
about
four
to
seven,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
beholden
to
that.
We
get
it
four.
J
T
Great
point:
Karen,
its
strategies
are
interesting
out
there
because
you
can
spend
till
midnight
discussing
them.
In
essence,
our
experience
looking
at
it
is
a
strategy,
may
be
fairly
straightforward
and
you
can
describe
it
as
a
strategy.
There
might
be
strategy
that
requires
a
series
of
sub
strategies.
There
also
are
strategies
that
are
brand
new
that
need
thinking
about
before
you
implement
them.
There's
existing
strategies
that
you're
refining,
you
simply
might
be
saying
like,
as
in
the
eggplant
hey.
T
We
just
approved
this
we're
happy
with
the
strategy
we're
affirming
it
and
now
we're
prioritizing
that
against
the
rest
of
the
stuff
in
the
system.
So
the
strategies
tend
to
be
a
blend
of
those
things
as
they
emerge
in
a
policy
level.
Master
plan
and
it'll
be
up
to
us
as
we
go
through
the
process
committee
to
help
clarify
that
make
it
clear
and
then,
as
we
get
into
the
process,
figure
out
the
types
of
strategies
that
we
need.
The
best
best
support
the
implementation
of
the
plan.
R
In
response
to
that,
I
think
we'll
find
that
in
rating
our
strategies,
a
better
rated
strategy
may
be
one
that
is
effective
across
topic
areas
or
focus
areas.
So
that's
another
thing:
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
having
strategies
that
are
so
focused,
hopefully
we'll
be
finding
strategies
that
are
effective
across
multiple
topics
and
there
may
be
like
you
said
there
may
be
topics
that
cross
the
multiple
strategies
too.
So
that's
I
think
both
ways
will
happen.
S
Yeah
absolutely
so
any
other
comments
on
the
agenda
approach.
For
tonight
we
okay
to
move
forward.
Okay,
all
right
perfect!
So
in
terms
of
a
recap,
we,
as
staff
met
for
most
of
today
in
one
form
or
another,
to
try
and
confirm
what
we
thought
we
heard.
So
this
is
what
our
our
summation
of
that
in
a
more
general
way
than
what
you
saw
at
the
end
last
night.
So
we
thought
that
we
heard
general
support
for
two
of
the
focus
areas,
in
particular
those
being
enjoyment
and
recreation
management
and
financial
sustainability.
S
There
was
some
discussion
that
perhaps
we
could
retitle
enjoyment
and
recreation
management
that
the
concept
itself
didn't
seem
to
be
of
concern
to
anybody.
We
also
felt,
like
we
heard,
pretty
strong
support
for
the
related
topics
as
a
whole.
We
talked
talked
about
some
minor
adjustments.
Some
additions,
some
levels
of
emphasis
to
place
on
on
others,
but
as
a
whole,
it
felt
like
they
were
holding
up,
and
so
we
were
pleased
to
have
have
sensed
that
from
the
group.
S
We
heard
that
we
wanted
additional
discussion
in
particular
tonight
around
several
things,
and
that
is
this
idea
of
whether
we
should
combine
the
ecosystem.
Health
resilience
focus
areas
into
one,
somehow
figuring
out
how
to
clarify
the
description
of
the
focus
area
of
Community,
Connections
and
inclusion,
whether
that
gets
broken
up
across
the
others,
whether
it's
lives
on
its
own
and
then
considering
this
idea
of
agricultural,
cultural
and
historic
resources.
S
So
in
terms
of
moving
over,
they
did
here
so
in
terms
of
moving
that
forward.
We
as
staff,
wanted
to
think
about
the
best
way
to
respond
and
give
you
something
to
react
to
tonight.
So
what
you're
seeing
here
on
the
left
is
essentially
the
focus
areas,
as
you
saw
them
last
night
with
the
understanding
the
underneath
of
these.
S
There
are
some
of
those
adjustments
to
related
topics
that
I
just
indicated,
and
we
have
copies
of
the
PowerPoint
in
front
of
you
and
I'll
show
you
some
slides
going
forward
that
indicate
which
of
those
related
topics,
we've
adjusted,
but
largely
proposing
that
one
option
could
be
that
the
focus
areas,
at
least
as
we
described
them
last
night-
could
could
live
as
they
were
the
option
that
staff
would
actually
recommend.
Based
on
what
we
heard
last
night,
and
some
additional
analysis
and
discussion
today
is
that
we
could
do
the
following.
S
We
could
we
could
combine
that
the
first
two
focus
areas
into
one,
so
that
would
be
ecosystem
health
and
resilience,
and
we
did
hear
what
felt
like
strong
support
or
at
least
interest
in
exploring
that
from
the
group
last
night.
We
leave
enjoyment
and
recreation
management
as
it
is.
We
do
add
the
concept
of
sustainable
agriculture
as
a
focus
area,
so
I
will
share.
You
know
a
nice
anecdote
from
from
mark
to
say
that
had
we
just
completed
the
grassland
plan
last
year,
would
we
be
asking
ourselves
the
same
question
about?
Well?
S
Maybe
we
don't
need
to
address
grassland
health
in
the
focus
areas?
Well,
that
doesn't
feel
right.
So,
even
though
we
just
complete
the
agricultural
plan,
we
recognize
that
there
is
an
opportunity,
as
mark
was
indicating
to
integrate
that
into
our
approach
as
Department
and
make
sure
that
we're
prioritizing
that
across
the
the
other
focus
areas.
S
The
fourth
largely
remains
intact
as
a
concept,
but
we
imagined
that
what
might
have
been
happening
is
that
we
were
being
perhaps
to
be
straightforward
or
too
bureaucratic
in
the
way
we
were
describing
this
and
that
perhaps
the
concept
in
and
of
itself
weren't
clear,
and
so
we
also
heard
a
lot
about
education
as
being
something
that's
important
to
sort
of
that.
That
goes
across
all
of
our
focus
areas
that
helps
us
implement
the
other
focus
areas
themselves.
S
You
know
we
heard
from
you
Andrea
in
terms
of
you,
know,
engaging
youth
and
that
that's
an
important
piece.
We
we
considered
the
option
of
integrating
this
concept
across
the
other
four
focus
areas,
but
ended
up
in
this
place
of
actually
wanting
to
see
it
live
on
its
own,
so
that
we
as
a
department
can
be
forthright
and
confident
going
forward
and
be
able
to
have
a
way
to
track
the
ways
in
which
we're
making
success
in
this
arena.
How
well,
are
we
doing
around
community
stewardship?
S
S
The
other
thing,
though,
that
we
explored,
is
that
there
could
be
this
distinction
between
those
focus
areas
that
perhaps
have
and
deserve
more
emphasis
than
others,
and
we
say
that
sort
of
in
response
to
the
the
way
that,
for
example,
we
heard
last
night
that
if
we
do
add
agriculture,
that
we
recognize
that
that
perhaps
is
a
less
lesser
lift
that
we
do
have.
The
recent
agricultural
plan
and
we've
had
have
had
recent
community
conversations
around
this
topic,
and
so
perhaps
a
level
of
effort
and
focus.
Here's
Perez
is
less.
S
We
are
proposing
that
we
could
see
these
in
a
way
that
we
elevate
the
the
level
of
emphasis
around,
in
particular,
an
option
to
ecosystem
health
and
resilience
and
enjoyment
and
recreation
management,
and
what
that
does.
Is
it
gives
us
an
early
idea
of
I
think
Kurt
to
your
point?
How
do
we
start
narrowing
in?
What
does
this
mean?
S
In
terms
of
you
know,
those
are
the
types
that
those
are
the
two
focus
areas
that
deserve
the
most
attention
in
terms
of
community
engagement,
and
they
perhaps
start
to
indicate
what
our
general
priorities
might
mean
towards
the
end
of
the
process,
as
we
get
more
and
more
focused
and
more
and
more
prioritized,
as
we
think
about
our
CIP
and
budget.
So
this
is
a
concept
that
we
also
wanted
to
put
forward
in
response
to
some
of
those
ideas
that
we
heard
last
night.
S
So
what
I
will
do
is
I'm
just
gonna
quickly,
skim
through
the
other
slides,
because
you
have
them
in
front
of
you,
so
I
want
to
just
make
sure
you
know
these
are
the
references
you're
meant
to
kind
of
refer
back
to
if
you
need
to,
but
what
you'll?
What
you'll
see
is
any
of
it,
because
we
felt
like
we
had
heard
general
support
for
the
related
topics.
Last
night
we
removed
any
of
the
parentheses
that
might
have
said
added,
revised,
etc.
S
As
of
last
night
and
considered
those
more
or
less
accepted
for
tonight's
purposes,
and
rather
highlighted
in
green
the
things
that
we've
changed
since
last
night,
so,
for
example,
carrying
you
had
the
suggestion
of
adding
invasive
species
as
a
related
topic
under
ecosystem
health.
So
you'll
see
things
like
that
in
green,
and
these
are
distinguished
by
which
option
we're
talking
about.
S
We
are
explaining
how
we
might
pull
those
that
group
of
topics
together
and
how,
in
some
cases
like
at
the
bottom,
some
of
those
topics
would
need
to
move
to
the
agricultural
focus
area
since
we've
now
added
it
and
similarly,
on
the
right
hand,
side
we've
tried
to
aggregate
the
public
comments
that
we
heard
in
relation
to
both
of
those
topics
here,
for
your
purposes
to
see
that
together
so
same
thing
under
enjoyment
of
recreation.
We
heard
emphasis
around
this
idea
of
managing
visitor
use
and
visitation
growth.
S
We
took
out
the
phrase
exploring
a
framework
to
I
think
get
more
to
the
point,
which
was
what
we
had
heard
last
night
and
revising
a
couple
of
the
others
protecting
scenic
resources.
I'll
explain
in
just
a
moment
in
relation
to
another
focus
area:
here's
the
edition
of
sustainable
agriculture
and
our
best
attempt
to
pull
out
some
of
the
major
themes
or
initiatives
out
of
the
agricultural
plan
and
represent
them
here
in
this
form.
S
So
in
most
cases
we
move
the
topics
that
were
previously
split
across
other
focus
areas,
put
them
all
here
and
then
just
made
sure
that
they
were
as
a
whole
representative
of
what
was
in
that
agricultural
plan.
Oh
and
yes,
thank
you
mark,
and
we
also
made
an
attempt
to
draft
a
value
statement
to
help
describe
what
this
focus
area
is
meant
to
meant
to
do
so
in
relation
to
the
community
connections
and
inclusion
focus
area,
you'll
notice
between
option
one
and
option
two,
the
content
is
largely
the
same,
except
that
in
option
two.
S
We
move
one
of
the
topics
about
agriculture
into
the
agricultural
focus
area.
The
other
thing
to
point
out
is
that
and
I'll
just
go
back
to
option.
One
here
is
that,
in
relation
to
that
conversation
about
what
to
do
with
cultural
resources,
historic
resources,
archaeological
resources,
et
cetera,
rather
than
as
staff,
did
not
feel
comfortable
recommending
that
that
become
a
focus
area
in
and
of
itself,
and
rather
we
feel
more
comfortable
for
a
number
of
reasons
to
keep
that
as
a
related
topic.
S
Underneath
this
focus
area,
but
it
was,
it
did
seem
like
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
explaining
what
that
meant,
and
so
previously
this
said
protecting
cultural
and
scenic
resources.
So
in
this
case
we
were
just
more
explicit
of
fact
about
the
fact
that
we
do,
according
to
a
number
of
policy
statements
up
to
state
regulations,
a
set
of
cultural,
historic
and
archaeological
resources,
the
concept
of
scenic.
We
moved
back
into
enjoyment
of
recreation
management
because
largely
that
is
where
the
the
values
around
scenic
quality
live.
Isn't
within
this
focus
area.
T
There's
there's
different
interpretations
of
scenic,
but
yes,
there's
a
few
shed.
There's
also
what
you
might
call
the
aesthetic
of
the
landscape.
It
might
be
like
the
aesthetic
of
a
working
landscape
or
the
Flatirons
in
terms
of
not
just
a
view,
but
the
landscape
character
itself,
and
that
was
actually
represented
in
chapter
11
of
the
system
overview
report,
because
we
haven't
done
much
work
on
scenic
before
not
many
people
have
frankly
and
we
were
trying
to
apply
and
methods
from
other,
as
Darren
pointed
out
precedent.
A
I
it's
one
of
those
topics
that
doesn't
really
belong
anywhere.
It's
sort
of
what
you
mean,
you
can
put
it
anywhere
you
want,
then
you
could
say
well,
okay,
and
so
that's
fine,
I'm,
not
sure
it
rings
out
to
me.
Why
that's
a
recreation
topic
and
I
thought.
Maybe
wait.
You
know,
but
that's
fine.
You
know,
I
put
it
somewhere.
Another.
S
Way
to
describe
it
is
it's
in
relation
to
this
concept
of
enjoyment
and
actually
is
strongly
in
alignment
with
the
public
comments
that
we
heard
around.
That
scenic
beauty
that
we
even
just
enjoy
looking
at
our
front
door
as
it
relates
to
open
space.
So
I
think
people
do
derive
a
sense
of
enjoyment
and
well-being
from
from
the
senior
quality
and.
D
Tom
to
add
to
it
sort
of
like
when
you're
out
on
the
trail,
going
for
a
hike
or
whatever,
whether,
if
you're
not
even
seeing
the
Flatirons
you're
just
looking
ahead
of
you
on
the
trail.
That's
seem
that
you're
seeing
and
that's
part
of
the
enjoyment
and
obviously
the
recreation
right
so
because
otherwise,
you
could
put
a
trail
through,
like
the
steel
section
of
town
and-
and
you
know,
wouldn't
have
the
same
scenic
resource
yeah.
A
I'm
not
sure
the
phrase
protecting
scenic
resources
conveys
the
notion
of
people
being
able
to
go
and
look
at
those
scenic
resources.
I
think
those
in
people's
minds
are
actually
two
different
things
and
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
what
that's
a
partly
intended
to
convey
I,
don't
know
those
words
did,
but
I
want
a
wordsmith
it
in
the
meeting
by
just
well.
I've
always
found
this
one
confusing
as
to
what
we're
talking
about,
but.
J
A
S
I
just
again
wanted
to
orient
you
to
what's
available
in
front
of
you
and
and
recognizing
that
it's
two
different
options.
It's
a
lot
to
digest
tonight.
I.
We
recognize
that,
but
I
think
what
we
were
hoping
to
do
is
to
look
at
these
as
a
whole
in
at
this
level,
and
and
hear
your
thoughts
on
these
options
and
I
am
certainly
happy
to
edit
on
the
fly
here.
If
there
are
things
that
you'd
like
to
see
changed,
yeah
I.
B
Have
a
question
for
you
folks,
because
you
spent
the
day
thinking
about
this:
do
you
really
think
it
buys
you
something?
If
you
do
this
2-part
split-level
sort
of
thing
with
focused
areas,
I
mean:
does
it
really?
What
do
you
think
we're
gonna
get
out
of
it
in
terms
of
efficiency
or
what
you're
thinking
you.
T
Wouldn't
take
your
first
crack
I
think
Darren
used
the
right,
a
good
word
emphasis
yeah
and
at
the
minute,
perhaps
won't
you
know,
you're
not
approving.
This
is
priority.
Focus
area
of
these
two
priority
focus
areas
you're,
simply
saying
it
appears
these
have
more
emphasis
and
that
can
help
guide
us
taking
the
initial
deeper
dives
into
related
topics.
So.
S
Could
be
the
case
I
think
we
would
also
explore
with
the
process
committee
whether
there
are
implications
in
terms
of
engagement,
where
you
know,
maybe
we
might
have
one
workshop
on
ecosystem
health
and
resilience,
one
on
enjoyment
of
recreation
management,
and
maybe
the
other
three
get
grouped
together.
You
know
it
could
be
a
level
of
emphasis
there
as
well.
Okay,.
T
J
S
A
Sorry,
that's
an
important
point,
which
is
what
happened
last
night.
Was
you
heard
from
the
board
and
from
council?
No
one
really
asked
you
well
and
I
am:
do
you
see
a
fairly
clear
dividing
line
between
what
was
ecosystem
health
and
resilience?
If
the
answer
is
yeah
I
mean
those
seem
to
be
two
incredibly
important
topics:
I,
wouldn't
just
combine
them
to
placate
someone.
On
the
other
hand,
if
it's
well
know
it's
actually
a
pretty
fuzzy
dividing
line.
A
They're
gonna
overlap
on
all
kinds
of
ways
and
you're
gonna
having
the
same
discussion
twice
then
sure
combine
them,
even
though
it's
gonna
be
a
very
big
thing,
but
I
don't
think
we
heard
from
you
on
whether
you
see
a
fairly
clear
division
between
these
two
things
or
do
they
tend
to
in
early
intersect
a
whole
lot.
Well,.
R
First
of
all,
it
was
great
to
be
able
to
hear
a
lot
from
Council
on
the
board
last
night,
so
that
was
really
important,
though
we
did
have
a
lot
of
conversation
about
just
what
you
said,
a
big
part
of
what
we
know
and
what
we've
been
thinking
about
today.
Around
resilience
to
environmental
change
has
to
do
with
ecological
systems.
That's
where
a
lot
of
our
intention,
a
lot
of
the
attention
has
been
focused.
There
were
some
topics
within
that
that
had
to
do
with
social,
social
and
cultural
aspects
of
our
work.
R
It
doesn't
mean
we're
going
to
ignore
those
those
those
can
still
be
addressed
through
our
management
of
recreation,
for
example,
infrastructure,
more
shade
structures,
perhaps
various
things
like
that,
but
we
did
feel
like
there's
going
to
be
plenty
of
work
to
do,
especially
over
the
next
decade,
with
regards
to
ecosystem
of
health
and
probably
is
going
to
be
a
fruitful
and
productive
place
to
start
this
work
and
and
give
us
the
chance
to
get
some
good
first
experience.
Some
successful
experience
dealing
with
this.
L
S
What
it
does
is
is
also
recognizes
that
we
have
a
really
strong
foundation
of
resource
plans
beneath
us
and
that
perhaps
most
of
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
is
around
the
resilience
aspect
that
we
haven't
in
those
resource
plans
gone
to
the
same
level
that
we
have,
as
it
relates
to
the
basic
east
of
ecosystem
health
components
that
were
there,
and
so
it
offers
an
opportunity
to
essentially
confirm
that
foundation
and
focus
on
things
that
we
haven't
previously
haven't
named.
If.
D
You
haven't
forgotten,
yeah,
stuff
down,
so
I
think
I
am
in
favor,
and
the
option
to
I
mean
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
said
combining
those
two
and
make
the
sense
I
have
a
concern
about.
The
emphasis
is
that
I'm
worried
that
we're
walking
right
into
the
West
TSA
again
by
having
two
topics
that
have
been.
D
What
is
split
our
community
before
be
the
two
main
areas
of
emphasis,
and
the
second
thing
that
I
will
point
out
is
that
our
community,
that
is
involved
in
open
space
is
again
not
representative
of
the
people
of
Boulder
County,
and
we
have
chosen
not
to
emphasize
the
point
up
there.
That
is
about
reaching
out
and
building
connections
to
the
people
who
are
underrepresented
in
our
community
and
I.
Don't
think
nature.
D
Appreciation
is
appropriate
for
that
in
part,
because
enjoyment
is
already
our
appreciation,
but
also
in
part,
because
I
think
how
I
was
originally
pitched
and
there.
The
idea
that
I
took
away
from
that
was.
This
is
how
we're
gonna
try
to
work
really
hard
to
include
people
who
are
disenfranchised
and
it's
how
we're
going
to
try
and
better
educate
people.
So
I
think
education
and
inclusion
is
better
than
nature,
appreciate
indication
and
inclusion.
T
T
D
I
think
education
also
means
the
agricultural
education
can
be
valuable,
and
you
know
like
other
parts
of
this.
That
could
be
really
valuable
and
I
would
just
emphasize
again.
I
just
think
that
we're
I'm
not
qualified
to
discuss
under-represented
people
of
this
community
need
or
want
and
I
think
we
should
try
to
emphasize
that
and
really
reach
out
and
make
that
a
key
point
in
this,
because,
as
we
look
forward
in
the
next
10
years,
that
demographic
shift
mean
that
we're
really
under
serving
people
further.
D
B
L
B
T
Think
what
I
appreciate
that
could
is,
you
know
we're
kind
of
saying.
Yes,
we
we
like
Community
Connection,
but
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
spell
out
education
and
everyone's.
So
how
important
that
was
just
by
adding
that
word
yeah.
It
makes
that
focus
area,
make
a
lot
more
sense,
and
that
was
I.
Think
what
Darren
pointed
out
at
the
beginning
was
confusion
exactly
what
was
covered
in
that
focus
area
and
the
truth
is
inclusion,
is
a
new
subject
matter
relatively
speaking.
Yes,.
L
T
E
A
D
D
I
guess
getting
back
to
what
the
focus
areas
are
to
me.
A
part
of
this
is
almost
like
I
could
imagine
you
having
a
department
that
title
might
be
ecosystem
health
and
resilience
and
their
staff,
underneath
that
and
I
think
at
the
same
time,
having
a
community
connection,
the
education
and
inclusion
department.
That's
busy
managing
all
of
these
different
elements
and
cross-cutting,
but
that
would
be
great.
D
The
same
thing
is
that
I
think
you
should
have
a
separate
recreation
management
department
that
Crosscut's
with
everything
as
well,
and
that's
when
I
thought
about
this
last
night,
how
I
was
trying
to
think
about
what
each
of
these
focus
areas
are?
Is
that
could
I
conceive
of
a
department
of
this
and
am
I
missing
a
critical
department?
If
we
don't
have
it
and
I
thought
that
that
sort
of
got
to
this
point.
B
It
is
a
question
about
to
worry
it's
just
a
little
odd
and
so
I'm
sure,
there's
history
behind
it,
but
it's
like
there's
enjoyment
and
then
there's
recreation
and
then
there's
management
and
I'm
not
sure
what
management
modifies
or
equation
modeling
you
see
where
I'm
going
well.
How
did
we
end
up
with
that
word?
You're.
T
Like
I
think,
it's
I
think
we
there's
a
big
conversation
across
the
country
and
directly
related
a
bowl
to
space
about
increasing
numbers
yeah
in
all
our
life's
times.
We
never
even
thought
about
the
fact
would
have
to
deal
with
things
like
capacity
I.
Remember
in
my
early
career
I
had
a
very
simple
equation
by
figuring
out
carrying
capacity
and
no
one
paid
any
attention
and
we're
at
a
point
now,
where
we've
got
a
deal.
L
A
D
The
thing
is
that
recreation
management
is
actually
a
thing
like
you
can
have
a
master's
in
recreation
management
or
a
PhD
in
recreation
management,
and
it
implies
a
certain
set
of
skills
and
practices
without
the
enjoyment.
I
think
what
you
get
is
we're
gonna
make
you
do
things
and
you
won't
like
it.
S
Also,
you
know
the
value
statements
that
support
these
focus
areas,
help
kind
of
elucidate
what
we're
talking
about
and
I
think
in
this
case
it
gets
to
not
just
some
of
the
public
comments
we
heard,
which
said
that
you
know
by
recreative
love
with
the
place,
and
I
therefore
want
to
take
care
of
it.
You
know,
and
so
so
it
does,
that
it
reflects
those
public
comments,
but
it
also
kind
of
gets
at
how
this
is
a.
This
is
a
to
an
integrated
equation.
B
L
R
S
And
the
more
sort
of
academic,
a
bureaucratic
way
of
describing
this
might
be,
you
know,
visitor
use
and
experience,
or
you
know,
visitor
experience
and
visitor
use
management.
Those
are
those
are
the
sort
of
professional
kind
of
categories,
but
I
think
that
again
we
were
steering
away
from
that
because
that
you
know
that
doesn't
mean
that
doesn't
make
my
heart
sing.
You
know
and.
T
As
staff
we
I
think
we've
been
pretty
clear
that
these
these
titles
are
pretty
administrative
and
then
the
value
statements
get
to
kind
of
the
importance
behind
them
and
then,
frankly,
if
you
go
back
to
that
volume
statement,
you
know
someone
who's
been
here
three
years
now,
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
I
think
we
were
the
instigators
of
a
Leave
No
Trace
program
associated
with
recreation,
so
we've
had
a
tradition
of
management
within
the
enjoyment
of
recreation.
For
a
long
time
you
know
responsibility.
A
Don't
feel
strong,
you
don't
want
to
spend
all
night
wordsmithing,
but
to
me
recreation
enjoyment,
it
does
seem
redundant.
I
was
actually
being
serious
about
the
coal
and
I
think
that,
actually
is
what
we
mean,
but
it
maybe
people
don't
like
that.
But
I
think
we
are
trying
to
say
these
are
the
two
aspects
of
recreation
that
we're
that
there
are
two
facets
of
this
and
we're
not
you
know
prioritizing
them
here,
but
put.
B
S
You
know
what
what
I'm
hearing
and
if
it's,
okay,
you
know
this
might
be
another
opportunity
for
staff
to
take
one
more
crack
at
the
word
smithing.
If,
if
board
feels
okay
with
that,
but
can
I
can
I
ask
as
a
whole
are
we
is
the
board
and
agreement
with
what
we're
seeing
is
option
two.
Is
these
holding
together
as
the
focus
areas
for
the
master
plan?
Let.
S
Know
I
think
that
Tom,
you
made
an
interesting
point
that
we
were
interested
in
exploring
which
last
night
was
that
for
those
things
that
are
means
to
an
end
that
Fallin
these
other
things
that
perhaps
that's
where
they
live
the
best.
But
if
there
are
these
things
like
inclusivity,
that,
in
and
of
themselves
need
to
you
know,
sort
of
live,
live
on
their
own
in
order
to
get
the
the
focus
and
attention
that
they
need
where
they
themselves
are
our
goal.
Thank
you
that
they
might
live
better
here
right.
D
J
D
J
D
We're
not
I,
don't
think
we're
supposed
to
be
in
a
like
the,
if
I'm
understanding
correctly.
The
idea
that
of
our
focus
on
this
here
is
to
say
that
we
believe
the
sustainable
AG
is
important,
but
essentially
what's
gonna
happen
is
in
the
master
plan,
they're
gonna,
say
place,
holder,
place,
holder,
see
AG
plan
and
that
we're
not
going
to
review.
J
D
K
K
G
A
There
are
other
things
that
I
agree
with
Karen
that
are
sort
of
particularly
sort
of
macro
strategic
questions
that
do
need
to
be
sorted
out
and
prioritized,
and
you
know
this
is
gonna,
be
a
long
conversation
about
not
long,
but
they
about
how
much
of
what's
in
the
AG
plan
can
sort
of
just
be
embedded
and
what
are
things
that
need
to
be
tackled
either
because
we
don't
like
the
way
they're
handled
or
because
they
weren't
handled
at
all
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
the
mix
of
that
is.
But.
S
We
could
come
at
this
a
couple
of
different
ways.
One
is
that
if
there's
discomfort
or
enough
disagreement
about
the
concept
of
emphasis
and
where
to
place
that
right
now,
we
don't
have
to
advance
that
and
that's
not
what
we're
asking
you
to
approve
formally
when
we
come
back
in
July.
So
do
you
want
to
be
clear
about
that?
S
The
other
thing
too,
is
that
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
it's
really
just
it's
almost
you
know
in
hearing
from
me
tonight
we
were
just
hoping
almost
to
get
sort
of
a
very
early
pulse
if
we
would
just
lined
out.
You
know
the
process
of
getting
to
the
end
of
the
the
master
plan,
where
we
have
a
good
idea
of
how
these
priorities
shake
out
against
our
budget.
You
know
this
might
be
like
an
early,
an
early
indication
of
where
you
are
in
relation
to
those
things.
Excuse
me
it's
by
no
means
a
final
decision.
S
L
B
Gut
senses
that
in
some
ways
it
buys
you
more
trouble
than
it's
worth
right
now,
because
I
could
argue
that
the
council
was
unanimous.
That
number
five
is
absolutely
important
and
so
you've
got
to
bold
that
and
then
there's
arguments
to
pull
for
and
pretty
soon,
so
not
that
that
can't
be
revisited.
But
if
I
was
gonna
vote
now
I
would
say
just.
A
A
We
will
spend
more
time
on
five
because
it
is,
by
its
nature,
more
complicated,
and
it
involves
true
choices
about
what
is
really
important
in
a
world
where
you
have
to
make
those
choices
for
is
important
in
its
own
way,
but
I
actually
think
it's
far
less
controversial.
It
doesn't
involve
a
lot
of
really
difficult
policy
decisions
where
people
are
gonna
weigh
priorities,
it's
more
about.
How
do
you
we
might
all
agree
on
pretty
much?
A
What
are
you
trying
to
accomplish
and
the
issue
is
just
well:
how
do
you
get
there,
whereas
five
I
think
there
will
be
genuine
struggles
on
all
right?
Even
you
know
what
are
we
actually
trying
to
accomplish
sure
sure?
But
I
don't
it's
easy
to
put
money
last,
because
it's
impersonal
and
no
one
feels
slighted
if
I.
K
Wanted
to
build
off
of
that,
because,
although
this
is
the
first
time,
I've
seen
the
focus
areas
with
numbers
but
beside
them,
there
is
an
implicit
ranking
with
what's
at
the
top
of
the
list
versus
what's
at
the
bottom
of
a
list
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
because
we
have
to
have
a
list,
it's
impossible
to
avoid
that
bias
right.
But
maybe
we
circumvent
some
of
the
recreation
and
vs.
K
ecosystems
if
we
bump
financial
sustainability
to
the
top
of
the
list,
for
example,
I
know
it's
impersonal
and
unsexy
and
all
that
stuff,
but
like
it's
something
that
we're
gonna
dedicate
some
serious
time
and
energy
to,
and
maybe
it
should
appear
at
the
top
of
the
list
telling
people.
Okay,
we're
gonna
prioritize
this,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
the
the
redheaded
stepchild
of
the
master
planning
process.
K
S
This
is
very,
very
helpful
and
I
think
just
again.
What
we're
hearing
is
that
this
is
the
this
is
the
proper
sorting
you
know
back
to
that
question
we
were
asking
last
night.
Are
these
the
right,
overarching
management
themes
for
us,
as
oh
SNP,
to
focus
on
for
the
next
five
to
ten
years
and
I'm
hearing
from
the
board
that
this
to
you
is
the
answer
to
that
question
is
yes,.
A
A
T
K
S
B
Thank
you,
and
it
was
just
when
I
was
reading
the
subtitle.
The
last
few
words
really
struck
me
and
I
think
they're
appropriate
and,
if
they're
appropriate,
then
I
would
suggest
just
to
throw
into
the
hopper
for
future
discussion
that
we
add
something
about
exploring
recovery
and
reintroduction
of
extirpated
species.
As.
B
B
B
K
J
L
S
B
U
T
B
J
J
S
S
Have
you
know
I
appreciate
that
we
that
concept
we
see
is
sort
of
sitting
under
the
one
we've
described
as
maintaining
and
improving
trails
and
facilities?
We
wanted
to
be
mindful
of
the
fact
that
increasing
connectivity
also
needs
to
be
talked
about
in
concert
with
our
existing
deferred
maintenance,
our
existing
portfolio,
so
we've
kind
of
tried
to
put
those
concepts
together
of
maintaining
and
improving
travelling
facilities.
A
A
D
L
J
L
J
Reason
why
is
if
we're
gonna
really
involve
all
visitors
in
the
sustainability
of
the
system?
We
need
to
be
thinking
of
things
like,
for
example,
a
potholes
reporting
kind
of
mechanisms,
so
that
the
visitors
have
a
stake
in
saying
uh-huh.
What
needs
attention
and
we
have
more
eyes
on
the
ground
and
we
have
a
more
efficient
way
of
so.
J
K
K
S
J
K
J
D
So
my
only
challenge
about
that
I
think
this
is
really
really
valuable.
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea
of
determining
the
other
thing
I'd
say
is
that
having
researched
this
considerably
in
the
last
couple
months,
there's
this
thing
where
people
change
over
time.
If
you
were
to
go
back
to
1964
and
ask
people
and
you
transported
them
here
to
now
they'd
be
like
this
is
insane
and-
and
the
problem
is,
is
that
we
can't
go
back
to
1964
and
most
people
now
would
be
like
yeah,
it's
a
little
crowd
of
I.
D
Don't
like
it,
but
I.
Don't
don't
kick
me
out
and
if
you
go
to
2034
they'd,
look
at
what
we
haven't
say:
wow
there
was
nobody
there
and
I
think
that
they
would
say
yeah.
That's
not
it's
that's
better,
but
don't
kick
me
out
and
so
I
think
that
there
isn't
an
appropriate
visitor
use
level.
There
is
the
acceptable
level
of
impact
at
that
time,
and
that
needs
to
not
be
determined
once
it
needs
to
be
constantly
reevaluated.
D
So
in
this
plan
we
should
say
for
this
time
what
is
appropriate
and
then
we
should
say
that
next
time
you
do
this
plan
for
that
time.
What's
appropriate,
because
I
worry
that
we
set
a
limit
now
and
then
15
years,
when
this
plan
gets
revisited.
Our
future
generation
says
we're
girded
by
this
previous
plan
and
it's
not
appropriate
for
us,
but
we're
still
girded
by
it,
and
so
I
just
worry
about
how
that
might
need
to
be
wordsmith
to
make
it
clear
that
we're
talking
about
what
we
think
is
right
for
now.
Yeah.
S
And
I
will
say
that
from
a
staff
perspective,
I
think
that
the
by
emphasizing
this
last
night
we
were
saying
you
know
this.
One's
in
bold
I
think
that
what
that
reflects
is
that
this
is
a
complicated
conversation
to
have
and
and
so
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
research
and
practice.
That
is
that
undergirds
this.
You
sure
that
we
as
staff
and
and
and
by
researching
additional
best
practices.
D
Then
I
did
have
one
thing
to
add
and
I
don't
know
how
to
wear
it.
So
maybe
someone
else
can
help,
but
there's
nothing
in
here
about
joy.
In
all
of
these
points,
there's
nothing
that
says,
makes
me
happy
and
so
something
about
managing
the
recreation
experience
for
enjoyment,
making
the
trails
more
enjoyable
I'm,
allowing
some
way
that
we
can
have
more
fun.
D
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
but
I
think
everyone
identifies
with
the
fact
that
being
in
outdoors
is
it
something
we
want
to
enjoy
and
you
can
make
a
trail
more
enjoyable
or
less
enjoyable.
You
can
make
interactions
between
people
more
enjoyable
or
less
enjoyable.
I,
don't
know
how
we
word
that
something.
T
J
Know
when
I
read
James
Brown
Egan's
latest
article
in
the
city
newsletter
and
saw
that
she
puts
the
mental
health
thing
under
the
library
and
the
greenways
program
and
the
Transportation
Department
and
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department
and
the
senior
centers
I
said
to
me
myself.
You
know
I
I'm,
not
sure
getting
into
mental
health
or
the
open
space
master
plan
is
gonna
serve
us
well.
T
K
L
D
B
One
underfinanced
does
anybody
have
anything
else,
and
this
is
just
a
general
thought.
I
think
there
are
multiple
items
under
financial
sustainability
that
are
actually
strategies
or
means
rather
than
objectives,
so
you
might
just
relook
at
that,
and,
for
example,
leveraging
interagency
partnerships.
Well,
that's
a
strategy
forward
right.
A
One
that
sits
on
the
margin
of
means
and
goals
that
can
raise
several
times
and
I
agree
with
this
question
about
our
stock
of
buildings,
housing
and
that
you
know
yes,
it's
a
way
of
raising
revenues.
So,
in
a
sense,
it's
a
strategy
for
raising
revenue,
but
it's
a
broader
policy
question
beyond
just
raising
revenue.
A
A
S
E
A
E
A
B
B
D
E
S
B
B
R
Well,
I
think
what
we've
done
and
I've
seen
done
is
to
use
existing
revenue
streams
and
projected
revenue
streams
as
the
fiscally
constrained.
So
that's
and
then
the
next
break
sometimes
are
borne
out
of
relationships,
kind
of
levels
of
service,
better,
sometimes
defined
or
our
industry
standards.
There.
T
R
E
D
I
guess
I'm
underlying
all
this
is
just
I
think
seeing
a
budget,
that's
like
20
million
gazillion
dollars
is
helpful
and
even
if
you
break
it
up
by
like
fractions,
that's
helpful,
but
also
to
say,
if
you
like,
here's
the
the
obligations
we
have
to
current
training
up
trail
maintenance,
here's
the
obligations
we
have
to
building
maintenance
and
in
these
different
models,
think
about
how
much
of
that
is
being
met
by
this.
That
might
give
the
public
a
better
sense
of
like
why
we're
asking
for
a
million
bazillion
dollars.
D
S
J
S
S
And
the
pie
gets
bigger
in
each
one.
You
know
there
might
still
be
some
acquisition
of
mineral
rights
in
the
fiscally
constraint
if
the
community
feels
like
that's
a
priority
where
it
gets
bigger
once
we,
you
know,
move
to
the
right
in
those
scenarios,
but
I'm
just
wanted
to
time
check,
because
we
were
just
a
little
bit
over
an
hour
now.
So
we.
T
E
T
Is
it
okay?
Just
add
to
that
Dan
which
could
I
just
acknowledge
this
page
is
all
the
staff
that
have
worked
on
the
project
so
far
and
to
represent
all
the
work
groups
in
the
department
and
I
think
we
just,
but
we
also
appreciate
your
input
as
well.
It's
been
huge
and,
as
Darren
pointed
out
last
night,
we
do
appreciate
the
process
committee
work
because
that's
being
able
to
guide
us
through.
S
So
I
was
just
gonna
end
by
summarizing.
The
important
next
dates
over
the
next
couple
of
months,
so
we
will
work
with
you
on
July
11th
and
ask
for
your
formal
recommendation
of
these
focus
areas
and
then
soon
thereafter,
as
Council
to
formally
approve
them.
So
that
is
what
July
is
about
at
the
end
of
the
month.
S
Is
the
products
process
committee
meeting
which
again
I
mentioned,
is
an
important
one,
as
we
start
to
refine
our
approach
to
strategy,
development
and
community
engagement
and
then
we'll
ask
Tom
you
incurred
to
provide
an
update
at
the
August
meeting
for
Oh
SBT.
So
these
are
the
sort
of
certain
dates
on
our
list.
We
have
some
other
tentative
ideas
about
one
Community,
Engagement
might
start,
but
that
all
depends
on
input
from
the
process
committee.
So
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
these
that
are
concrete
over
the
next
couple
of
months.