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A
B
So
one
thing
before
we
move
into
the
agenda
is
a
quick
agenda
provision
item
5a,
which
is
our
only
public
hearing
item
tonight,
has
been
removed
from
the
agenda.
The
application
has
been
has
been
withdrawn
by
the
applicant,
so
there
will
not
be
an
opportunity
to
for
us
to
review
it
or
for
you
to
speak
to
it
during
that.
If,
for
some
reason,
you're
here
to
speak
to
that
item-
and
you
still
want
to
talk
to
us-
you'll
want
to
do
that
during
public
participation
and.
C
B
That
was
my
next
word
so
and
then
later
in
the
agenda
under
matters
item.
Six
is
a
discussion
of
the
Alpine
balsam
area
plan
options,
which
is
basically
a
pretty
confined
conversation
for
us
to
give
staff
feedback
about
what
kinds
of
scenarios
they
should
be
putting
forward
to
the
public.
It's
not
a
big,
robust
discussion.
So
if
you
do
want
to
speak
to
the
Planning
Board
on
that,
you
want
to
sign
up
with
vicinity
over
here
and
speak
to
us
during
public
participation
as
well.
So
there's
no
public
hearing
on
that
item.
B
C
B
Moved
by
Harmon
and
seconded
by
John,
whose
last
names
I'm
not
saying
right
now,
I
guess
so.
I'm
gonna
call
the
question
as
all
in
favor
of
approving
I'm
cool
all
in
favor.
So
now
we're
gonna
move
to
public
participation.
This
is
a
time
in
the
meeting
where
you
get
to
sign
up
with
Cindy
and
speak
to
us
about
anything
that
is
not
on
the
public
agenda.
Public
hearing
items,
which
is
everything
everything
on
the
planet,
is
not
on
the
public
hearing
items
list
today.
B
So
we
have
a
few
folks
signed
up
and
I'll
be
calling
you
up
sort
of
three
two
times.
So
if
you
don't
mind
getting
up
and
standing
next
to
Cindy,
so
you're
ready
to
speak
when
your
time
comes,
it
saves
a
little
bit
of
time
for
everybody
and
so
I'll
call
you
up
three
two
time.
So
the
first
person
is
Kathleen
Hancock.
B
The
second
person
is
Francesca
Silva
and
then
Tom
Doyle,
but
yeah
Delvecchio,
sweet,
I'm,
gonna
claim
that
I
got
that
one
right,
which
is
totally
the
line,
all
right,
Kathleen
you're
up
everybody,
and
just
so
you
know.
Sorry,
everybody
is
three
minutes.
There's
a
little
light
on
there
that
at
two
minutes
it
turns
yellow
and
then
at
thirty
seconds
it
turns
red
I.
Think
we've
got
it
or
something
like
that.
Anyways.
You
got
three
minutes
watch
the
light,
try
to
wrap
up
on
time.
Otherwise,
I'll
probably
interrupt
you.
You
have
a
half.
D
Hi
good
evening,
my
name
is
Kathleen.
Hancock
I
live
on
Fifth
Street
about
a
half
mile
from
the
alpine
balsam
sight,
I'm,
here
to
speak
about
that
project.
I'm
part
of
a
neighborhood
group
called
think
boulder.
We
became
concerned
that
our
neighbors
were
not
sufficiently
informed
of
what
was
happening
at
the
site.
People
just
do
not
know
the
details
working
with
to
market
researchers,
an
architect
and
a
website
designer,
all
of
whom
volunteered
their
time.
D
We
created
a
survey
with
some
housing
options
for
people
to
consider
53,
110
and
330
at
the
time
that
was
the
city's
upper
number.
We
also
asked
people
what
they
knew
about
the
cost,
the
proposals,
what
they'd
like
to
see
at
the
site,
what
they
were
worried
about
and
so
on.
You
can
see
all
our
results
on
our
website
think
boulder
org.
We
created
this
group
specifically
for
this
project.
D
There
have
been
a
few
missed
characterizations
of
the
survey
in
our
findings
in
the
daily
camera
and
other
places,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
address
this
tonight.
First
of
all,
we
went
well
beyond
our
member
group.
We
are
130
right
now,
but
we
had
a
hundred.
We
had
533
respondents,
so
this
is
not
just
our
group.
By
any
stretch,
we
handed
out
flyers
to
every
house
in
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
at
the
shopping
centers.
D
We
now
purport
to
speak
for
the
neighborhood,
not
the
entire
city,
so
in
other
words,
our
survey
was
never
meant
to
cover
the
entire
city,
just
our
particular
area,
which
will
be
most
affected.
The
city's
own
survey,
which
did
not
target
any
one
area,
got
100
respondents.
So
again
we
got
a
lot
of
respondents.
Also
I
would
just
note.
They
also
supported
the
low
density
option,
which
is
what
our
group
supported
as
well,
are
the
findings
of
our
respondents.
Our
survey
is
statistically
significant.
D
This
means
we
had
enough
respondents
to
draw
a
statistically
meaningful
inferences
and
that
the
answers
are
stable.
In
other
words,
if
we
had
a
whole
bunch,
more
people
fill
it
out.
We
would
still
get
the
same
results
as
representatives.
Consider
quote
what
the
neighborhood
wants.
It
should
be
noted
how
many
people
we
are
representing
with
this
survey.
There
are
some
others
here
who
are
talking
about
high
density
I.
Don't
think
that
they
have
done
that
same
kind
of
level
of
analysis
to
see
what
neighbors
want
going
forward.
D
I
have
a
few
suggestions
for
planning
regarding
improved
engagement
that
maybe
you
all
could
echo
if
you
agree,
one
is
I
think
creating
a
special
email
alert
for
high-stakes
controversial
issues
such
as
this
one
would
be
really
helpful.
The
by
monthly
newsletter
comes
very
late,
for
example,
on
Tuesday
at
3
o'clock,
I
got
the
notice
that
there
would
be
a
council
meeting
that
night
at
6,
so
that
is
not
enough
time
to
do
anything
to
more
mailings
to
neighbors.
D
We
found
that
this
was
really
successful
and
third,
to
give
a
publicly
understandable
presentation
on
the
traffic
study.
It
is
very
technical,
very
dense.
It
concludes
it's
not
a
problem
and
I
think
just
at
a
gut
level.
Most
of
us
living
in
the
area.
Don't
think
that's
realistic.
It
must
have
some
kind
of
effect.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
for
the
city
thanks.
B
E
Hi,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
this
evening.
My
name
is
Francesca
Silva
and
I
live
on
10th
Street,
just
north
of
the
Alpine
balsam
site
at
the
City
Council
meeting
on
Tuesday
I
spoke
with
the
woman
in
the
audience
and
realized
that
she
thinks
when
I
say
low-density
and
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
That
I
mean
single-family
homes,
but
that
is
absolutely
not
what
I
mean
and
to
be
clear,
I
think
two
or
three
storey
housing
in
at
the
Alpine
balsam
site
would
fit
in
nicely
with
the
neighborhood.
E
What
I
object
to
is
three
to
five
story:
housing
buildings
at
two
to
three
times
the
density
of
holiday
on
North
Broadway.
The
this
most
definitely
would
change
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
I've
read
I've
made
some
rough
calculations
based
on
what
Erin
Brackett
said
at
the
meeting,
the
other
night
Erin
said
that
the
holiday
complex
ranges
from
12
to
20
units
per
acre.
If
you
take
the
8
acres
at
Alpine,
balsam
take
away
roughly
2
acres
for
the
medical
pavilion
and
flood
mitigation.
A
holiday
density
complex,
would
result
in
96
housing
units.
E
E
I
do
have
a
strong
concern
about
how
the
data
on
what
the
community
wants
is
collected.
I
would
ask
that
in
this
next
go-around
of
neighborhood
outreach
that
the
staff
keep
an
accurate
record
of
who
is
voice
of
who
is
voicing
their
opinion,
whether
or
not
they
live
in
Boulder
and
how
many
times
they
are
rivo
ting.
So
to
speak,
the
survey
at
cu-boulder
last
November
was
a
great
example
of
good
data
collection
and
I
hope.
The
Planning
Department
will
do
more
of
that
as
we
go
forward.
Thank
you.
Cool.
F
Soooo
has
been
dropped,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
beating
a
dead
horse
here,
or
they
even
have
a
horse
in
this
race.
But
if
you
think
of
another
analogy
involving
horses,
please
let
me
know
my
name
is
tom
del
vecchio,
and
I
am
one
of
the
residents
at
1852
Arapahoe
avenue
the
property
up
for
review.
Now
we
don't
have
a
long
history
in
boulder.
F
In
fact,
I've
only
lived
here
for
a
little
over
a
month
and
while
I
can't
speak
from
the
point
of
view
as
a
long
standing,
Boulder
right,
what
I
can
provide
is
a
perspective
that
only
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
can
give
and
I
hope
you
can
hear
what
I
have
to
say
with
a
sense
of
utility.
Now
one
of
the
first
things
I
recognized
about
Boulder.
F
Apart
from
the
beautiful
backdrop
that
is
the
rocky
mountain
range,
was
it's
charming
array
of
small
businesses
and
at
a
glance,
it's
easy
to
regard
this
property
as
better
suited
for
one
of
those
businesses,
but
to
merely
regard
its
architectural
structure
as
a
basis
to
make
that
claim
would
be
short-sighted
if
we
want
to
make
a
justified
decision.
Regarding
the
proposed
conversion
of
this
building
into
its
previous
commercial
use,
then
we
can't
look
back
in
time
to
validate
that
claim
only
forward.
Now.
Boulder
is
undoubtedly
a
very
walkable
city.
F
It
makes
sense
why
a
business
would
want
to
acquire
this
location,
but
the
degree
to
which
this
acquisition
would
make
the
area
more
walkable
is
eclipsed
by
the
impact
it
would
have
on
the
preservation
of
affordable
residences.
Lest
we
forget
that
the
property
up
for
review
is
but
a
brisk
five-minute
walk
to
boulders
crown
jewel
of
commerce
that
is
Pearl
Street.
This
is
why
the
preservation
of
housing
in
this
area
is
paramount
to
the
continued
development
of
commercial
property.
Furthermore,
the
applicant
up
for
review
has
already
established
their
location.
Just
one
block
away.
F
This
isn't
the
question
of
whether
the
city
could
benefit
from
the
addition
of
the
restaurant.
It's
a
question
of
whether
affordable
housing
should
be
cast
to
the
wayside
over
the
marginal
relocation
of
an
existing
restaurant
and
in
a
town.
That's
notoriously
gentrified
we're
running
out
of
opportunity
to
keep
places
like
this
home
around
now.
The
zoning
regulations
that
this
city
has
instantiate
'add
regard
this
area
as
densely
residential,
and
there
have
been
a
few
exceptions
to
this.
F
No
doubt
a
block
in
either
direction
will
land
you
at
a
fly-fishing
shop
or
a
motorcycle
shop,
but
these
examples
shouldn't
comfort
the
idea
of
welcoming
snarfs
fourth
location.
On
the
contrary,
they
should
serve
as
a
reminder
of
how
the
residential
real
estate
needs
to
maintain
its
place
at
the
top
of
the
hierarchical
distribution.
This
board
has
decreed
now
I've
had
to
take
a
step
back
at
time
as
well.
Thinking
about
this
and
acknowledge
it's
a
bit
of
comedy.
F
The
situation
lends
itself
I
mean
if
I
can
speak
in
layman
terms
for
just
a
moment
we're
talking
about
a
burger
joint,
that's
trying
to
take
away
the
artists
house
and
you
have
to
admit
it's
a
bit
like
a
screenplay.
But
with
that
narrative
in
mind,
you
can
see
the
obvious
dynamic
of
protagonist
vs.,
antagonist
and
I
know
in
my
heart
of
hearts
how
that
movie
ought
to
end.
Thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
the
matter.
Great.
G
I've
lived
at
1852,
Arapaho
Avenue,
the
residents
in
question
for
nearly
six
years.
The
blue
house,
as
we
finally
refer
to
it,
is
my
home.
It
is
the
home
of
my
roommates
Joanna
and
Tom
I'm.
The
single
lease
holder
and
I
have
been
for
years
and
will
continue
to
hold
the
lease
now
that
the
plans
have
been
withdrawn.
I've
talked
to
the
owner
today,
prior
to
cancellation
I,
intended
to
come
here
and
ask
your
board
to
block
that
plans
to
develop
our
residents
into
a
commercial
venue.
G
Our
case
draws
a
parallel
with
a
similar
review
of
the
same
property
of
our
residents
in
2013.
The
Planning
Department
recommended
denial
of
the
conversion
2013
because
it
would
have
eliminated
the
residential
space
staff
cited
for
its
recommendation:
a
Boulder
Municipal
Code
statute
regarding
the
conversion
of
dwelling
units
to
non-residential
units
they're
stating
there
shall
be
a
presumption
against
approving
the
conversion
of
dwelling
units
in
the
residential
zoning
districts
to
non-residential
uses.
We
live
in
a
densely
residential
area,
and
our
situation
certainly
falls
under
this
statute.
G
Furthermore,
and
on
a
more
personal
level,
majeure
need
to
turn
blue
house
into
our
musical
artistic
community,
audience
at
home
has
been
hard.
Ewis
and
lifelong
memories
have
been
made
along
the
way.
The
blue
house
is
one
of
the
very
few
non-commercial
strongholds
of
music
and
creativity
left
in
Boulder,
a
city
that
proposed
to
be
creative
and
cultured.
G
The
creative
community
needs
cultural
landmarks,
like
my
house,
to
remain
in
the
hands
of
its
residents
and
the
people
interested
in
sharing
the
valuable
resource
of
space
where
we
can
make
music
and
art
and
celebrate
life
together,
no
matter
the
hour
without
worrying
about
how
much
money
the
bar
is.
Making
my
home
and
studio
space
creates
such
a
powerful
place
for
people
to
meet
each
other.
One
of
the
few
places
left
in
Boulder,
where
artists
have
a
chance
to
collaborate.
G
The
blue
house
has
been
a
cultural
hub
for
nearly
a
decade,
a
place
where
art
meets
music
and
a
home
for
the
musicians
and
artists
that
are
being
more
and
more
alienated
in
our
city.
Every
year
the
blue
house
has
been
rented
by
members
of
boulders
artistic
family
for
years.
It
is
a
stronghold
for
musicians
and
artists
and
should
stay
with
us.
G
The
residents
this
house
continued,
has
and
continues
to
enrich
lives,
comfort,
housing
and
cultural
enrichment
to
us,
the
residents
and
our
surrounding
community,
with
whom
we
are
involved,
we
just
in
summary
or
lastly,
but
we
have
been
living
here
and
acting
as
an
integral
part
of
our
local
community.
For
several
years
it
would
be
devastating
to
see
our
vibrant
artistic
music
filled
home
loss
to
commercial
development.
Thank
you.
The.
H
I
I
I
B
Let
me
enter
you
for
a
second
I'm.
Sorry,
I
didn't
quite
notice
that
you
were
pulling
time
until
I
looked
at
the
clock.
So
let
me
just
make
sure
that
the
folks
who
were
pulling
time
with
her
are
here:
can
you
guys
every
Nessa,
Dora,
Diana,
Martinez,
Robin,
Rustin,
Jumeirah
de
mal?
You
guys
all
here,
ok,
cool!
Thank
you!
Sorry,
for
that.
I
We
organized
a
group
and
we
worked
hard
to
promote
the
city
acquiring
the
site
which
they
boldly
step
forward
and
did
it
was
fantastic
and
so
I
want
to
go
from
there
with
my
presentation
and
you
to
go
so
there's
one
book
there
that
if
you
don't
know
about
and
it's
for
sale
I
could
buy
this
book,
you
could
I
would
make
a
few
dollars
on
this
book
George
if
I
sold
this
one
book,
but
anyway,
it's
a
great
book
by
dark
art
and
so
I
hope
whenever
you
buy
it.
If
you.
I
Anyway,
so
we're
always
interested
in
hi
community
benefit
to
the
site
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
a
number
of
very
serious
crises.
Number
one
is
our
urgent
housing
need.
We
have
a
very
urgent
housing
needs.
60,000
folks
have
to
drive
in
here
every
day,
60%
of
our
entire
workforce
can't
live
here
and
the
community
of
preference,
the
housing
preference
survey
showed.
I
We
have
a
wall
around
our
town,
so
that's
a
big
crisis.
Obviously
the
climate
crisis
and
the
overall
environmental
collapse
is
a
crisis.
We
need
to
build
sustainable
habitat
for
people,
and
Boulder
can
do
a
great
job
of
inspiring
people
to
do
that.
So,
as
Rahm
Emanuel
once
said,
never
let
a
serious
crisis
go
to
waste.
So
let's
use
this
crisis
to
relieve
a
lot
of
these
problems
that
creates
for
us
and
I
want
to
emphasize
the
threat
to
our
businesses
and
the
threat
to
our
city
revenue.
I
I
talk
to
businesses
every
day,
there's
stress:
they
can't
retain
people,
they
can't
recruit
people,
they
need
to
move
out
of
town
nonprofits
that
we
love
and
prized
are
stressed
about
being
here.
We
need
to
solve
this
problem,
so
we
were
thinking,
oh
well.
How
are
you
gonna
do,
or
is
it
gonna
be?
Well,
it's
it's
an
ever
growing,
neighbors
and
again.
I
applaud
the
other
neighbors
they're
concerned
about
the
neighborhood.
I.
Think,
there's
a
lot
of
ways
we
can
work
together,
but
we've
had
a
lot
of
high-level
people
working
for
four
years.
I
Four
years,
who've
been
working
on
this
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
high
community
benefit
project.
So
how
are
we
gonna
do
it?
Obviously,
we
think
we
can
make
a
big
dent
at
this
site
with
in
our
housing
need
and
inspire
the
world
with
a
really
brilliant
example
of
how
we
can
have
sustainable
human
habitat.
I
We
got
a
great
start
with
the
Vision
Plan.
It's
a
beautiful
document.
I
just
want
to
leave
you
with
a
I
want
to
urge
you
to
make
it
a
new
model,
not
the
same
old,
not
a
half-measure.
What
I'm
gonna
argue
is
a
half-measure.
Is
it's
not
giving
us
the
financial
return
or
the
social
return
that
we
need?
So
a
half-measure
I
argue
that
we
can
have
a
project
that
neighbors
will
love.
Every
neighbor
will
love
this
project.
I
So
so
we
want
to
start
with
the
values
and
I
think
from
the
BBC
P
we're
familiar
with
these
those
main
values,
but
these
you
know
I,
don't
see.
There's
we've
been
so
progressive.
In
our
words,
you
know
compact
contiguous
development,
infill
that
supports
evolution
to
a
more
sustainable
urban
form.
That's
what
Boulder
is
all
about
people
fear
change,
they'd
like
it.
The
way
it
is
I
understand
that,
but
the
climate
crisis,
the
housing
crisis,
argued
that
we
have
to
innovate
and
Boulder
is
great.
I
I
Sorry,
this
innovative
not
fearful
it's
natural
to
be
fearful.
Let's
be
innovative,
we
know
how
to
do
that.
We've
got
a
great
innovative
population.
I
just
would
love
for
people
in
the
on
the
one
side
of
the
project.
I.
Don't
really
believe
they
talk
to
anybody
on
the
our
side
of
the
project.
I
didn't
get
it.
No,
nothing
was
dropped
on
North
Street.
Maybe
it
was
you
know,
but
there's
a
lot
of
neighbors
a
lot
of
neighbors
who
support
this
more
compact
developments
that
is
expressed
in
our
overall
comprehensive
plan.
I
In
Germany,
so
Val
bond
is
a
former
French
military
base.
That's
in
Germany,
just
in
Germany,
that's
a
90
acre,
car-free
suburb
people
love
this
place.
It's
a
beautiful
example
of
European
social
housing.
We
did
a
little.
We
work
together
with
Jamie
Logan,
a
top
architect.
We
looked
at
the
site
plan,
we
looked
at
the
city,
the
cities
scenarios
and
we
felt
that
you
could
put
some
more
square
footage
of
housing
in
there.
We
did
an
example
of
housing
that
could
be
on
balsam.
I
That
would
be
mostly,
you
see
three
stories
and
the
fourth
and
fifth
stories
are
step
back,
so
we
thought
there
could
be
more
square
footage
of
housing
on
this
site
than
the
city.
Looked
at,
I
wasn't
impressed,
but
the
city's
really
wanting
to
meet
Arjun
Housing
need
you
know,
I
didn't
I,
didn't
see
that
I
didn't
see
a
real,
deep
desire.
Look
we
really
want
to
meet
our
urgent
housing
needs.
I
haven't
seen
that
in
the
process.
It's
disturbing
to
me.
I
also
say
we
could
put
some
affordable
office
there.
I
We
desperately
need
this
as
well,
so
how
many
of
you
have
been
to
the
Alliance
Center
down
in
Denver?
Okay,
so
that's
50,000
square
feet
of
NGO
space
I've
been
talking
to
those
people,
it's
a
successful
model.
We
could
put
something
like
that
on
it,
sell
that
space
and
sell
some
commercial
office
space
there
again
we're
trying
to
get
a
social
return
and
city
financial
return.
If
there's
anything
you
remember
for
my
talk
tonight,
it's
less
apps
every
scenario.
I
You
know
every
amount
of
housing
to
show
what
is
its
financial
consequences?
If
you
have
less
housing
out
in
that
site,
how
is
it
going
to
make
a
return
to
the
city?
How
is
it
gonna
do
that
it's
gonna
be
super
subsidized.
We
can't
just
do
a
capital
investment
for
a
few
affordable
housing
units.
That's
not
the
way
to
do
it.
Our
method
here
is
the
more
middle-income
permanently
affordable.
I
More
units
that
we
have
that
we
sell
to
middle-income
people
that
are
small,
that
they
can
afford
or
less
than
they
cost
to
sell.
You
don't
have
to
subsidize
it
at
all.
That's
a
model
for
the
whole
city.
We
want
this
project
to
be
a
model
for
the
whole
city.
People
see
we
can
all
live
beautifully
together.
We
can
have
diversity,
we
can
have
employment,
we
can
have
public
employees.
I
I
I
Connections
between
this
site
and
open
space,
so
we
have
our
North
Street
eco
district
and
I
want
to
emphasize
the
eco
district.
How
many
been
familiar
with
eco
district
start
work?
Okay,
you
could
district
approach
so
having
a
water
for
a
wonder,
for
you
know,
sort
of
a
car,
low
car
car,
free
Parkway
that
goes
from
the
site
through
Alpine
or
North
Street
or
both
to
Sanitas,
and
then
one
that
goes
down.
I
Balsam
you're
already
playing
the
13th
Street
one
lots
really
innovating
this
town,
bringing
the
open
space
this
the
the
jewel
of
our
whole
society
into
our
town.
This
way,
so
kids,
how
many
of
you
have
kids?
Okay,
what
a
bummer
it
is
at
4
o'clock
that
we
have
to
you
know
no,
it's
not!
We
get
to
talk
to
them
on
the
car
with
a
few
times.
They'll
talk
to
us,
but
we,
you
know
they
kids
could
get
around
a
lot
easier
in
this
town.
If
we
had
a
lot
more
safe
bike.
I
K
My
biggest
concerns
have
to
do
with
process
and
clearly
the
staff
is
confused
about
the
process.
The
first
sentence
in
the
memo
confuses
the
vision
plan
for
redevelopment
of
the
hospital
property
with
area
planning.
There's
been
a
lot
of
process
so
far
about
the
redevelopment
of
the
former
hospital
property.
To
my
knowledge,
there's
been
no
public
engagement
or
process
on
an
area
plan.
I
mean
there's
160
page
memo.
K
One
of
my
big
concerns
is
that
there's
a
conflict
there's
a
conflict
of
interest
in,
isn't
a
legal
one,
because
this
isn't
a
site
review,
but
the
staff
that's
doing
all
of
the
work
for
a
concept
plan
from
the
ultimately
site
review
of
the
redevelopment.
The
hospital
property
is
the
same
people
we're
going
to
be
doing
the
area
plan,
and
that
is
the
goals
of
those
two
things
are
very
different.
K
The
goals
of
the
property
owner
for
redeveloping
property
are
not
the
same
as
the
goals
of
the
community
in
putting
together
an
area
plan
and
what
we
would
like
to
see.
The
future
of
this
larger
area
be
and
part
of
that
larger
area
plan
means
to
me.
Where
does
redevelopment
happen?
How
much
redevelopment
happens?
K
You
know
we
might
not
want
all
of
it
on
this
one
site
we
might
want
it
spread
around
differently
to
make
a
better
community
center
neighborhood
center
and
putting
it
all
in
one
corner
of
this
area,
but
you
don't
figure
it
out
without
doing
the
area
plan.
The
area
pay
on
needs
to
come
before
a
site
plan
for
this
redevelopment.
I
have
a
big
problem
with
the
speed
at
which
this
area
plan
is
being
pushed
forward
through
the
summer.
K
It's
gonna
be
really
hard
to
get
community
engagement
in
a
meaningful
way
and
I
have
a
big
problem
with
you
know,
council
what
on
Tuesday
put
forward
removing
one
of
the
four
or
five
options?
That's
on
there
option.
One
I
have
a
problem
with
them.
Constraining
the
range
of
the
discussion
before
the
discussion
with
public
has
even
begun.
K
The
first
thing
we
did
was
determine
where
the
boundaries
needed
to
be
in
the
discussion,
but
we
did
that
with
the
public,
the
public
defined
those
boundaries
and
that's
an
important
part
of
getting
buy-in
with
the
community
on
whatever
plan
you
come
up
with,
you
have
to
make
it
the
community's
plan,
not
the
staff's
plan,
not
the
consultants
plan,
not
City
Council's
plan
or
the
planning
board's
plan.
It
has
to
be
the
community's
plan.
K
L
Hi,
my
name
is
George
Boone
I
live
at
28:15
7th
Street,
my
sister
lives
on
Jefferson
Street,
my
parents
live
on
Spruce
Street
or
a
multi-generational
Boulder
family
and
living
close
to
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
I've
had
concerns
from
the
beginning
around
the
anchoring
of
FA
R
and
the
Vision
Plan
around
2.5
to
3
point
of
F
AR
that
was
targeted
initially
without
any
community
feedback
and
inserted
in
there.
When
I
brought
that
up
to
the
city.
L
They
acknowledged
that
that
was
inserted
in
there
not
by
the
community,
but
they
would
not
withdraw
it
or
acknowledge
it
publicly
on
any
written
statement
and
withdraw
that,
because
it
had
already
been
passed
through.
I
think
that
targeted
FA
R
and
the
bias
at
that
very
beginning
of
that
process
has
continued
through.
My
other
concern
is,
is
speaking
with
Aaron
Brocket,
whose
friend
of
mine
for
over
20
years.
L
That
was
way
too
costly
for
something
like
this
I
would
argue
that
the
city
should
acknowledge
its
mistake
and
buying
the
land
at
that
price
and
acknowledge
it
now
and
go
ahead
and
subsidize
the
development
of
the
housing
and
other
other
uses
there.
So
it
fits
into
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
as
relates
to
mr.
Robinson's
discussion
here,
want
disclose
that
he
he
wishes
to
be
a
developer
on
this
site
and
get
personal
financial
gain.
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
get
personal
financial
gain
out
of
this
I'm.
L
A
neighbor
concerned
I'm
also
part
of
the
group
of
over
500
people
that
responded
to
that
survey
which
wanted
low-density
housing
in
that
area.
That
made
sense
for
our
community
and
again
to
Francesca's
point
low
density.
Housing
doesn't
mean
necessarily
single-family
homes,
but
it
means
respecting
the
view,
corridors
and
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
that
surrounds
it
as
relates
to
struggling
businesses.
I
would
also
rebut
that
the
shopping
centers
that
brought
away
an
ideal
are
some
of
the
strongest
shopping
centers
in
the
entire
state.
There
are
businesses
that
have
been
there
for
over
50
years.
L
They
are
not
struggling
businesses,
they
are
not
in
demand
of
consumers.
None
of
those
businesses
except
one
or
two
have
gone
out
of
business
in
the
past
20
or
30
years.
So
I
would
consider
all
those
things
when
you're
looking
at
this
area,
it's
an
area
that
works
already
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
remains
consistent.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
M
I'm
Beth
hahndorf
I've
lived
at
4th
and
Alpine
since
1976
number.
One
on
my
list
is
a
bike
path,
I've
been
to
these
meetings
and
they
keep
saying
there's
no
room
on
Broadway.
There
is
room
on
Broadway,
it's
a
state
road.
You
can
do
em
in
a
domain.
You
can
have
parking
all
in
with
one
side,
but
this
is
dangerous.
We
need
it
now
and
I
can't
even
believe
you
would
move
forward
with
this
project
without
putting
the
bike
path.
M
First,
I've
had
a
real
estate
background
and
obviously
you
know
highest
and
best
use
is
what
people
want
out
of
their
property.
Well,
I
think
this
property
is
like
adjacent
to
Central
Park
in
New
York,
it's
one
of
the
most
valuable
properties
in
this
town,
and
so
I
mean.
If
you
really
want
to
do
something
for
people
and
needy
people
that
need
money,
sell
it.
You
know,
get
the
$2,000
a
square
foot,
the
high-end
developers
you're
getting
and
put
it
where
it
should
be
developing
other
core
areas
for
low
income.
M
People
now
I
know
that's
not
going
to
happen,
so
what
I
would
propose
is
have
mixed-use
of
low
income
and
some
super
super
high,
the
priciest
units
you
can
find
in
Boulder,
even
if
there's
only
five
of
them
sell
them
and
take
the
money
and
put
it
in
to
a
cash
fund
for
needy
people
or
affordable
housing
in
Boulder,
the
height
the
height
I.
Don't
think,
helps
anybody
I,
don't
think
anybody
likes
it.
It
should
be
no
higher
than
what
it
is.
M
What
I'm
really
worried
about
is
what
happened
on
the
west
end
of
Boulder
there's
it's.
The
proximity
is
the
same
thing,
and
pricing
and
lifestyle
is
move
to
there
and
I
go
there
quite
often,
and
it's
basically
a
bunch
of
drunks.
There's
DUIs
I
see
people
driving
the
wrong
way.
We
don't
need
that
to
move
north,
we
need
to
take
control
of
the
problems
we
have
already.
M
So
if
you
do
put
housing
there
I
hope
it's
not
a
mix
of
bars,
and
you
know
high-end
restaurants
like
the
West
End,
we
were
supposed
to
have
a
movie
theater
and
more
family-oriented.
We
didn't
they
closed
Mapleton.
You
know
my
kid
went
there,
it
was
kicked
out
of
there.
They
said
we
would
having
an
exchange
of
you
know:
affordable
housing
for
children
at
3:11.
We
didn't
get
that
and
I'm
really
concerned
that
no
one
has
listened
to
what
the
neighborhood
wants.
M
You
know,
I've
got,
we've
got
people
voting
on
things
and
then
they
get
a
job
with
Jonah
goose
I
mean
it's
pretty
obvious.
What's
happening
and
I
want
people
to
vote,
you
know,
honestly,
the
other
thing
is
I,
really
think.
There's
so
much.
You
know
all
these
planning
people
tell
me
the
core
area,
the
core
area.
There's
this
city
is
getting
big
enough.
That
there's
other
core
areas.
M
You
need
to
put
attention
to
not
just
here,
and
some
of
these
dollars
could
be
well
spent
in
other
parts
of
town
like
south
boulder,
east
arapahoe
and
the
last
is
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
put
there.
You
need
to
change
the
requirement
of
only
three
unrelated
people
living
together.
That's
just
archaic.
We
don't
even
have
many
families
anymore.
We
have
a
very
high
abortion
rate
in
this
part
of
town.
Let
five
unrelated
live
together,
so
it's
affordable.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
B
Very
much
Beth,
no
one
else
is
signed
up
correct
okay,
so
we
can
move
into
the
discussion
of
dispositions,
Planning,
Board
call
ups
and
continuations.
We
have
two
columns
in
front
of
us
tonight.
One
is
for
a
subdivision
of
a
lot
at
10:32
and
1050
Hawthorne
and
that
clock
period
expires
today
and
then
we've
got
another
call
up
for
a
wetland
variance
to
allow
some
underpass
art
to
happen
and
that
can
be
called
up
before
June
14.
Does
anyone
want
to
discuss
either
of
those
items.
B
O
P
Me
if
this
is
a
misunderstanding,
but
I
actually
don't
think
it's
gone
too
far
down
the
line,
we're
still
in
preliminary
design,
and
so
we
didn't
want
to
advance
it
beyond
that
before
we
got
a
red
light
or
green
light
in
response
to
it.
So
with
the
public
art
selection
process,
there's
a
group
of
community
members
that
will
give
their
feedback
and
then
greater
outreach.
Beyond
that.
P
N
O
Alicia
Geiger
flood
and
wetland
administration,
so
they've
actually
hired
a
wetland
consultant
and
has
done
some
reports
and
what
the
art
project
is
actually
doing
is
just
going
to
be
mimicking
daylight
and
moonlight.
And
so
it's
not
it's
taking
a
dark
space
and
just
turn
it
in
and
into
what
you
would
have
if
there
wasn't
a
bridge
over
it,
and
so
there's
not
been
discovered.
A
big
concern
about
doing
that
in
this
area,
because
it
is
kind
of
a
city
center
area.
C
The
light
bulb
that
provides
the
light,
is
11
produces
1,100
lumens,
it's
about
the
amount
of
light
produced
by
an
old
75
watt.
Incandescent
bulb
it's
on
a
perpetual
celestial
calendar,
so
it's
mimicking
day
and
night
cycles
that
match
the
day
and
night
cycles
throughout
the
year
and
it
will
forever
or
as
long
as
it's
got
power
and
the
that
the
overpass
actually
creates
artificial
shade.
C
So
to
the
extent
that
it's
adding
a
teeny
bit
of
light
in
the
daytime
and
an
even
tinier
bit
of
light
like
50
lumens
at
night,
it's
almost
unnoticeable
to
any
creature
living
in
there,
but
it
also
actually
gets
us
a
little
bit
closer
to
what
life
would
be
like
under
the
overpass.
If
there
wasn't
an
overpass
on
top
of
that,
it's
an
extremely
you
know.
C
You
well
used
intersection,
13th
and
Arapaho
with
a
very
the
most
used
bike
path
in
the
entire
city,
and
one
of
the
people
on
the
greenways
committee
pointed
out
that
his
light
on
his
bicycle,
which
can
be
directly
into
the
water
depending
on
how
he's
got
his
handlebars
turned,
had
1,800
lumens.
So
with
that
you
know,
we
had
asked
as
many
questions
as
we
could
think
of
about
the
impacts
of
this
art
project
on
the
natural
environment
and
come
to
the
conclusion
that
they
were
negligible
if
not
beneficial
and.
C
B
Thank
you
guys,
so
we'll
move
on
into
zipping
beyond
our
non-existent
public
hearing
items
into
matters.
We
have
one
item
under
matters
which
is
Alpine
balsam,
Area
Plan
opportunity
for
us
to
put
a
little
bit
of
feedback
into
the
public
process
before
it
goes
back
out
again.
So
do
you
guys
need
some
time
to
set
up?
Should
we
take
a
quick
break
or
you
be
good.
Q
B
R
Happy
to
do
that,
I'm
jim
robertson,
comprehensive
planning
manager
for
the
city
of
boulder
I'm
joined
by
Jean
gots,
a
Senior
Planner
in
the
comprehensive
planning
division.
I'll
point
out
that
we
also
have
several
other
city
staff
here
representing
housing
interests,
flood
control,
interests,
transportation,
interests
and
urban
design
expertise.
So
hopefully
we
are
prepared
to
answer
any
questions
or
issues
you
might
choose
to
bring
up.
I'll
just
do
a
brief
introduction
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jean.
R
Here's
sort,
of
course
of
action
for
the
evening
as
I
mentioned
I'll
be
doing
an
introduction.
Jeanne
will
then
be
talking
about
the
community
feedback.
We've
received
recent
analysis.
That's
been
done,
project
goals
and
objectives.
We'll
talk
about
one
of
the
major
components
of
what's
in
front
of
you,
which
is
land
use
options
will
then
talk
about
next
steps
and-
and
then
we
that
says,
council,
that's
my
fault
that
should
have
been
planning
board,
discussion
and
questions,
one
of
the
things
that
Jeanne
will
do
work
into
her
discussion.
R
As
as,
as
the
chair
just
mentioned,
we
were
in
front
of
City
Council
just
two
evenings
ago
on
this
and,
in
addition
to
meeting
your
need
in
terms
of
ask
telling
you
sort
of
what
we
need
or
what
what
questions
we
don't
need
answer
tonight.
Jeanne
will
weave
into
her
discussion
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
the
major
feedback
we
got
from
City
Council's.
R
So
these
are
the
basic
questions
that
we
are
going
to
present
to
you.
Gene
will
presenting
the
area,
plan,
goals
and
objectives,
and
we
would
like
your
feedback
on
those
because,
of
course,
those
forms
sort
of.
If
you
will,
the
benchmarks
or
the
the
metrics
against
which
we
will
measure
is
the
is
the
plan
accomplishing
the
things
that
we
said.
R
We
would
accomplish
what
you're
gonna
be
seeing
tonight
or
really
most
of
the
major
components
of
what
will
be
a
draft
area
plan
that
will
come
back
for
planning
board
approval
and
City
Council
approval
late
summer
early
fall,
so
we
want
to
get
your
feedback
tonight
primarily
around
the
issue
of.
Are
they
do
they?
Do
they
meet?
What
you
believe
is
an
appropriate
standard
to
take
to
the
public.
R
Are
there
some
options
that
we've
presented
that
should
be
eliminated
and
Jeanne
will
tell
you
what
we
heard
from
Council
the
other
night
or
their
approaches
or
options
that
should
be
added?
We
also
want
to
make
sure
we
address
any
questions.
You
have
about
the
major
components
and
then
we
are
going
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
flood
issues,
and
we
just
want
to
offer
you
the
opportunity
to
provide
any
feedback
on
those
issues.
The
font
here
is
pretty
small.
R
Unfortunately,
basically
on
the
left
side,
you
have
you
know
this
is,
and
this
largely
mimics
a
diagram
you've
seen
before,
which
is
a
sort
of
circular
diagram
on
the
city's
Engagement
framework,
including
identifying
opportunities
or
issues
developing
those
options
and
engaging
the
community
and
specifically
sort
of
that's
where
we
are
right.
Now
we're
presenting
you
with
options
for
the
area
plan
and
then
the
next
steps
would
be.
R
The
next
would
be
make
decisions
around
those
key
options
and
then,
of
course,
we're
moving
into
implementation,
which
is
could
include
regulatory
changes
such
as
land
use
and
zoning,
developing,
and
implementing,
and
improvements
for
public
facilities
and
so
forth,
and
ultimately,
hopefully,
achievement
of
the
broad
vision
for
Alpine
balsam
the
little
bit
about
what
the
area
plan
will
do.
Essentially,
it
will
define
a
neighborhood
center,
which
of
course,
already
exists
here.
R
We
have
a
very
vibrant
neighborhood
center,
reflecting
division
for
Alpine,
bolts
and
I'm,
going
to
return
in
just
a
moment,
the
next
slide
or
so
to
the
notion
of
neighborhood
center.
It
will
guide
redevelopment
that
occurs.
It's
designed
to
bring
together
a
common
understanding
of
changes
and
I,
probably
in
not
only
the
changes
but
things
that
will
remain
stable
or
the
same,
make
sure
that
those
proposed
changes
are
consistent
with
our
community's
vision,
identify
public
improvements,
and
this
touch.
R
I
want
to
talk
to
you,
so
I
want
to
return
to
that
notion
of
neighborhood
centers,
because
that's
fundamentally
what
this
is
about.
This
area
plan
is
designed
to
implement
and
further
the
comprehensive
plans,
vision
for
a
neighborhood
center
and,
of
course,
the
BBC
P
identifies
the
general
concept
of
centers.
As
you
know,
areas
for
potential
infill
and
redevelopment,
perhaps
higher
intensity
compared
to
established
neighborhoods.
The
BBC
P
also
speaks
specifically
about
neighborhood
centers,
and
this
is
a
direct
quote,
because
it's
a
little
long
I
took
the
liberty
of
sort
of
putting
in
red
font.
R
What
seemed
to
be
the
primary
salient
point
here
and
I'll
just
touch
on
those
words.
Neighborhood
gathering
places
meet
the
day-to-day
needs,
easily
accessible
from
the
surrounding
areas
by
bike,
foot
and
transit,
a
sense
of
place,
walkable
places,
perhaps
of
fulfilling
this
notion
of
a
fifteen-minute
neighborhood
where
someone
can
meet
their
needs
within
a
sort
of
walkable
15
minute
area.
R
So
that's
kind
of
what
the
BBC
P
says
about
neighborhoods
neighborhood
centers,
and
that's
really
in
some
ways
the
crux
of
a
lot
of
what
all
of
this
discussion
and
that
we
will
hopefully
have
with
you
tonight
and
later
is
about
with
that.
I
will
well
actually
I.
Think
I'm,
I'm
gonna,
talk
to
gene
tells
me
I'm.
Talking
to
this
slide,
as
I
mentioned
a
moment
ago.
What's
in
front
of
you
in
the
packet
or
and
including
a
number
of
the
attachments
is
essentially
much
of
the.
R
If
you
will
the
guts
of
what
will
be
a
draft
area
plan
that
will
be
brought
in
front
of
that
will
be
shared
with
the
community
and
then
ultimately
brought
in
front
of
you
in
the
City
Council
late
summer,
early
fall.
It
includes,
of
course,
background
vision,
goals
and
objectives
which
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight
and
then
some
key
components:
land-use
map,
urban
design,
guidelines,
access
and
mobility
recommendations,
recommendations
around
transportation,
demand
management,
flood
and
stormwater
strategy,
and
then
strategies
and
recommendations
around
various
facility
services.
R
In
order
to
ensure
that
that
implementation
of
this
vision
is
manageable
from
the
point
of
view
of
the
infrastructure
that
will
support
it
and
then,
of
course,
the
area
plan
will
also
include
some
recommendations
on
implementation
and
next
steps
with
that.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Jean
Gatto
who
will
walk
from
there.
It's.
C
Q
Very
good,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
I'm
gonna
start
with
a
quick
orientation
to
the
planning
areas,
character,
districts,
so
our
character
district
one
is
really
the
heart
of
the
neighborhood
center.
As
Jim
mentioned.
This
is
really
about
this
neighborhood
center.
It
includes
the
retail
center,
the
community
plaza
and
ideal
market
shops,
the
East
block
of
the
city
site,
including
the
pavilion
and
the
parking
structure,
as
well
as
the
Builder
Medical
Center
at
balsam
and
Broadway
character.
District
2
really
focuses
on
the
rest
of
that
city.
Q
The
hospital
redevelopment
site,
the
center
and
West
blocks
of
that
city
site,
including
it
as
this
area,
includes
that
the
to
private
parcels
on
the
southwest
corner
there
by
9th
Street
that
are
not
part
of
the
city
site
character,
district
treat
character.
District
3
is
really
two
areas
that
serve
as
the
north
and
south
gateways
for
the
neighborhood
center
along
Broadway,
the
South
gateway
includes
mixed-use,
both
commercial
and
residential
uses,
as
well
as
historic
buildings
on
the
west
side
of
Broadway
and
the
1/2
two-story
commercial
buildings.
Q
With
surface
parking
on
the
east
side,
this
area
presents
some
of
the
opportunities
for
changes
to
encourage
housing.
The
north
gateway
is
primarily
high-density
residential
and
it
provides
it
already
provides
a
transition
to
the
residential
residential
uses
and
densities
further
north
into
the
neighborhood
center,
and
we
have
no
changes
proposed
at
the
North
gateway.
The
South
gateway
way.
I
talked
about
that.
Q
Okay,
all
right
that
way,
North
gateway
in
South
gateway,
character,
district
for
the
transitional
mixed-use
area
includes
the
block
between
Alpine
and
north.
That's
east
of
ninth
Street.
The
current
uses
are
a
mix
of
residential
medical
and
commercial
office
uses
and
there's
a
good
amount
of
surface
parking.
The
non-residential
areas
of
this
district
are
places
where
some
of
the
options
can
suggest
some
changes
to
add
housing
character.
District
5
reflects
several
areas
where
existing
housing
or
Civic
uses
functioned
very
well,
and
the
options
reflect
the
vision
to
preserve
these
areas
with
no
changes
preserved.
Q
Many
folks
have
expressed
appreciation
for
the
current
mix
of
residential
types
and
densities,
especially
the
block
of
Portland
Avenue
east
of
ninth
Street,
as
well
as
how
these
areas
serve
to
transition
to
the
lower
density
housing
in
the
outer
areas
and
next
I'm
going
to
share
some
key
things
that
we've
heard
from
the
community
engagement
and
the
analysis
that's
been
completed
over
the
past
year.
That's
shaped
the
options
I
do
want
to
mention
just
just
to
clarify
I
know.
C
Q
A
Q
Herrmann,
okay,
key
themes
from,
and
community
engagement,
neighborhood
quality
of
life
is
high.
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
this
is
a
very
special
part
of
the
city
that
results
from
the
mix
of
people,
the
mix
of
housing,
the
character
and
safety
of
the
residential
areas.
The
walkability
and
access
to
activity
in
the
park
Center
downtown
in
the
mountains
I
can
just
attest
to
the
passion
that
I
heard
from
the
folks
that
we
listened
to
it
that
the
small
group
workshops
it
was
pretty
extraordinary.
The
neighborhood
center
function
functions
well
and
is
well
loved.
Q
People
appreciate
the
current
look
and
feel
at
the
center,
as
well
as
the
easy
access
to
a
range
of
retail,
commercial
and
medical
uses
in
the
area.
There
are
mixed
views
on
housing
and
density
as
you've
heard
and
I
know
that
you've
received
many
messages
about
some
of
the
neighborhood
residents,
have
concerns
about
adding
too
much
housing
on
the
city
site
or
in
the
area.
That's
too
big
or
boxy
or
doesn't
fit
that
might
negatively
impact
parking
traffic
or
services
or
other
visual
character.
Q
Conversely,
others
see
this
area
as
an
ideal
location
to
add
density
and
to
address
critical
housing
needs
in
an
innovative
and
attractive
way,
Recreation
open
and
green
spaces.
This
came
up
a
lot.
People
love,
North,
Pole,
know
North
Boulder
Park,
but
as
the
area
changes,
other
green
and
other
open
spaces
are
going
to
be
very
important
for
connections
and
places
to
gather
changes
for
flood
mitigation
should
be
very
carefully
considered
on
access
and
mobility.
People
appreciate
the
current
ability
to
walk
bike,
take
transit
and
to
drive
in
the
area.
Q
There
are
concerns,
as
you've
heard
about
the
parking
and
the
traffic
and
people
suggested
many
improvements
for
safety
ease
of
moving
through
the
area
with
or
without
a
car
and
to
promote
all
mode
mobility.
We
had
a
lot
of
feedback
about
redevelopment
of
the
city
site
over
the
last
year,
as
well
as
when
in
the
groups.
When
we
were
talking
about
the
area
they
people
want
this
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
a
Nevada.
They
want
the
redevelopment
to
fit
in
to
support
the
neighborhood
center
to
add
value
and
have
good
public
spaces.
Q
Q
The
traffic
impact
studies
suggest
that
changes
in
trips
and
traffic
from
any
of
the
options
can
be
accommodated
by
the
existing
roadway
network
and
all
of
the
any
of
the
changes
from
redevelopment
redevelopment
on
the
site
would
generate
fewer
trips
than
what
was
estimated
to
have
been
generated
from
the
active
hospital.
Our
consultants
also
made
recommendations
about
the
access
and
mobility
strategy
on
our
flood
mitigation.
Q
Staff
and
consultants
have
explored
many
many
options
for
flood
mitigation
for
about
both
the
site
and
the
wider
area.
The
results
indicate
that
it's
not
possible
to
construct
flood
mitigation
in
North,
Boulder
Park,
without
significant
impacts
to
the
park,
and
we
recommend
taking
that
off
the
table.
Even
if
mitigation
could
address
the
hundred-year
flood
event
in
the
strip.
This
stretch
of
upper
Goose
Creek,
there's
limited
ability,
east
of
13th
Street,
to
continue
with
those
improvements
for
the
Alpine
balsam
site.
We
recommend
proceeding
with
site-specific
mitigation.
Q
This
includes
pursuing
conveyance
at
the
north
side
of
the
site
and
not
the
center
green
rain.
The
upper
grace
Creek
flood
mitigation
study
will
proceed
in
evaluating
potential
flood
mitigation
improvements
in
the
reaches
that
are
downstream
of
the
Alpine
balsam
site
and
that's
going
to
proceed
in
a
different
schedule
than
the
area
plan.
Q
Some
findings
about
affordable
housing,
making
progress
toward
the
affordable
housing
goal
is
a
primary
objective
for
the
area
plan
and
for
the
site
redevelopment.
What
we
know
about
affordable
housing
is
for
private
development.
In
the
area,
affordability
will
likely
be
addressed
through
the
city's
inclusionary
housing
program
and
likely
cash
in
lieu
for
the
city
site.
We
have
more
leverage
in
control.
We
know
that
the
density
directly
have
affects
the
ability
to
support
a
development
of
sufficient
size
to
leverage
state
and
local
federal
funds
for
an
for
a
hundred
percent
affordable
project.
Q
Q
We
have
the
goals
built
upon
the
direction
that
I
was
in
the
adopted
vision
plan
and
we've
added
these
clarifying
objectives
that
are
based
on
further
analysis,
option
development
and
the
community
feedback.
There
were
a
few
that
the
City
Council
emphasized
and
talked
about
at
the
discussion
on
Tuesday.
Some
were
a
couple.
Notable
ones
were
around
the
anion
juice
and
urban
design,
and
this
I'm
going
to
refer
to
the
objectives
more
specifically
that
are
in
the
memo
around
cascading
density
from
Broadway
out
and
making
sure
that
that's
an
element
of
any
of
the
options.
Q
They
talked
a
bit
about
the
really
emphasizing
the
neighborhood
center
mix
of
uses,
characteristics
and
preserving
the
real
viability
of
the
the
neighborhood
center,
the
commercial
part
of
the
neighborhood
center,
and
then
also
the
historic
preservation
objectives
that
are
in
the
urban
design
section
the
objectives
goal
that
you
can
find
and
that
you
can
see
in
your
memo
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
way
too
much
to
have
one
slide
up
here.
So
I
have
to
point
to
your
to
what
you
have
in
the
memo.
Q
Okay,
with
that
land
use
options,
the
there
were
five
options
that
we
developed,
that
emphasize
different
goals
focused
around
the
critical
need
for
housing
and
how
the
area
might
change
to
add
housing.
With
each
of
these
options,
we
developed
some
rough
estimates
for
potential
new
units
in
the
area
and
I.
You
have
the
cheat
sheets
in
front
of
you
that
have
the
table
and
a
bit
of
information
on
each
option
in
front
of
you.
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
these
are
very
high-level
projections,
they're
based
on
a
blanket
assumptions
for
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Q
Q
Okay,
before
I
jump
into
the
options,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
other
pieces
that
were
included
in
your
attachment,
C
and
that
are
part
of
the
understanding
where
we're
going
with
options,
land-use
map
and
what
we're?
What
we
mean
by
these
land-use
so
I
know
that
the
Planning
Board
members
are
very
familiar
with
the
land
use
designations
that
are
in
the
comp
plan.
That
then
asked
that
then
influenced
the
zoning
that
we
have
as
the
regulatory
tool.
Q
So,
as
I
said,
we
can
do
this
through
lots
of
different
images
and
also
the
building
height
map,
where
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
tools
that,
through
the
area
planning
process,
we
want
to
explore
the
potential
for
changes
to
the
appendix
J
height
modification
map,
and
with
this
we
can
do
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
35
feet
or
a
55
feet.
We
can
talk
about
what
that
difference.
Q
Within
those
areas
can
be,
and
then
lastly,
before
I
get
into
the
options
an
urban
design,
so
you
the
attachments,
he
also
included
these
urban
design
maps
that
have
a
lot
of
detail
on
them
and
they're
they're,
pretty
fun
to
jump
into
and
really
think
about.
So
I
want
to
emphasize
that
all
of
the
options
are
going
to
be
considering
the
recommendations
for
public
realm,
public
gathering
spaces,
green
spaces
and
connections.
As
we
move
forward
thinking
about
the
vision
for
each
of
these
areas,
these
urban
design
elements
they're
going
to
be
very
important.
Q
Q
Q
The
mixed-use
business
is
proposed
for
the
East
block
because
allows
the
Civic
Services
and
a
mix
of
uses
medium-density
was
proposed
on
the
center
in
the
West
blocks
based
on
the
I
was
really
based
when
we've
talked
about
the
site
and
the
different
scenarios,
both
last
November
and
February,
the
feedback
that
we
had
from
Planning
Board
and
the
council
about
what
we
wanted
to
achieve
in
housing.
We
had
not
intended
to
include
this
minimal
growth
option,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
community
feedback
about
the
concern
for
density.
Q
We
included
the
medium
density
option
to
really
show
the
differences
and
the
potential
for
the
trade-offs
around
achieving
affordable
housing
on
the
site.
This
was
a.
This
was
a
big
big
concern
to
the
City
Council
and
when
we
asked
about
each
of
these
options
on
Tuesday,
they
did
recommend
not
considering
this
further
because
it
does
not
achieve
the
affordable,
affordable
housing
goals
on
the
site.
Q
Okay,
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
option
two,
and
we
can.
We
can
come
back
to
talking
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
Should
we
need
to
should
we
need
to
later
option.
2
focuses
on
encouraging
future
redevelopment
in
select
areas
to
add
housing.
Several
of
the
areas
are
proposed
from
conversion
to
from
commercial
and
office
uses
to
residential
and
mixed-use.
Q
This
option
includes
the
range
of
higher
density
prototypes,
to
allow
variation
in
building
and
housing
types
and
to
allow
greater
flexibility
in
ways
to
achieve
the
affordable
housing,
the
character
of
the
area,
the
approach,
the
prototypes
most
closely
reflect
the
mixed
density
residential
in
the
area,
especially
to
the
south,
with
two
to
four
stories
and
a
variation
of
building
types.
The
soft
option
offers
good
potential
for
affordable
housing
on
the
site
option
three
wits
steer
future
redevelopment
toward
housing
units
and
would
allow
higher
density
of
housing
development.
Q
This
option
suggests
converting
non-residential
uses
to
housing
and
proposes
a
bit
more
intensity
than
an
option
too,
as
a
way
that
might
show
how
we
might
sort
of
maximize
potential
in
the
area
similar
to
option
two
and
also
included
in
both
of
the
options.
Four
and
five
the
neighborhood
center
is
proposed
for
that
change
to
mixed-use
business,
to
support
the
comp
plan,
Center
vision,
option
three
for
the
site
includes
the
two
higher
density
prototypes
to
allow
for
variation
in
buildings
and
again
to
maximize
the
flexibility
to
achieve
affordable
housing.
Q
Option
4
is
about
Mik,
emphasizing
mixed-use
in
the
area,
so
we
would
allow
some
intent
some
intensification
of
use
in
the
area
and
allow
redevelopment
of
either
business
or
residential
uses.
This
option
acknowledges
the
desire
to
preserve
many
of
the
locally
serving
or
medical
office
and
commercial
uses
in
the
area,
while
allowing
housing
to
develop
either
above
or
alongside
for
the
site
option
for
include.
Q
This
includes
the
same
prototypes
as
we're
an
option
too
that
emphasize
housing
the
character
in
the
area
would
be
evolving
over
time
to
a
more
mixed
use
or
new
housing
and
the
building
Heights
might
be.
It
might
increase
in
some
areas
to
3
to
4
storeys,
or
they
may
be
one
to
two
at
this
currently
option.
5
is
similar
to
option
4,
as
in
the
recommendations
for
the
area,
but
for
the
site.
It
focuses
on
developing
a
significant
Civic
presence.
Q
This
option
was
added
in
consideration
of
the
Builder
County's
interest
in
moving
their
housing
and
our
health
and
human
service
functions
from
the
iris
and
Broadway
site
to
alpine
balsam
and
requiring
a
significant
civic
presence
along
with
the
city
service
center.
Here
we've
been
working
with
the
county
staff
to
fully
understand
that
the
county
space
needs
and
parking
needs
for
this
location
to
be
viable
for
the
county.
Q
It
would
require
utilizing
that
entire
center
block
of
the
site
that
would
need
to
accommodate
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
square
foot
four-story
building,
as
well
as
some
structured
parking
for
the
clients
and
customers.
There's
really
a
lot
to
consider
about
this
option
and
several
variables
that
we
don't
yet
know
we
are
working
with
the
county
staff
to
further
understand
a
lot
of
those,
namely
what
we
might
be
able
to
achieve
in
terms
of
the
housing
goals
at
iris
should
should
this
move
forward,
but
there
are
many
variables
up
there
too.
Q
So
our
councilmember
there
was
a
mixed
support
for
this
option
with
the
City
Council,
but
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
in
finding
out
what
that.
What
that
trade-off
could
be,
what
what's
the
really
the
potential
and
iris
to
understand
that
more
fully
before
we
take
this
off
the
table,
so
we're
going
to
continue
working
on
that
and
better
understand
what
those
trade-offs
might
be.
Okay,
a
couple
more
components
of
that
we
have
to
share
with
the
area
plan
for
the
area
plan,
pieces
access
and
mobility
strategy
strategy
is
a
really
key
part.
Q
The
proposed
strategy
is
based
on
the
transportation
master
plan,
the
access
and
access
mobility,
parking
strategy,
the
climate
commitment
policy,
as
well
as
prior
direction
about
access
and
parking
for
the
site.
It
includes
shared
parking
strategy
guided
by
the
some
principles,
creation
of
a
general
Improvement
District
to
fund
ongoing
programs
and
services.
There
are
options
for
transportation,
demand
management
and
parking
management.
There
has
been
interest
in
expanding
the
district
beyond
the
site
and
that
will
be
assessed
through
the
engagement
process
and
potentially
explored
through
the
implementation
planning.
Q
We
have
included
a
draft
connections
plan,
the
planning
area
already
benefits
from
being
very
walkable
with
good
bike
and
transit
routes,
and
infrastructure
access
and
mobility
were
a
big
part
of
the
discussions
at
the
community
workshop.
So
earlier
this
year,
community
members
provided
a
lot
of
suggestions
on
this.
Our
staff
has
worked
to
develop
the
draft
connections,
plan
outlining
outlining
new
opportunities
for
paths,
streets
and
other
improvements.
Q
Q
We
intend
to
be
asking
community
members
how
these
options
best
meet
the
goals,
what
people
liked
about
the
options
and
what
they
don't
like.
So
we
can
better
understand
where
there's
common
ground
I
think
that,
as
one
of
the
community
members
Francesca
talked
about
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
about
what
we
mean
by
high
density
or
what
we
mean
by
what
these
carrot.
Q
At
that
point
and
then
have
this
adopted
in
September
or
October.
Well
note:
these
dates
might
shift
just
a
little
bit
as
usual
with
schedule.
So
so,
with
that,
we'll
come
back
to
the
questions
that
we
have
before
you.
The
questions
are
really
aimed
to
ensure
that
the
options
and
the
information
we've
prepared
for
the
community
address
the
priorities
of
the
City
Council.
On
the
Planning
Board
for
this
area
that
we
they
reflect
the
goals
and
objectives
and
they
include
the
desired
range
of
potential
changes.
Q
B
S
Q
Q
I
think
that
over
the
time
that
our
staff
and
our
team
have
talked
to
people,
there's
been
lot
of
excitement
about
all
kinds
of
potential
housing
there
and
who
might
live
there
and
who
that
might
be
I,
think
there's
a
lot
of
hopefulness
around
the
folks
that
work
in
the
area
to
be
able
to
have
some
place.
That's
more
nearby
to
live.
I
know
that
in
talking
to
some
of
the
folks
that
work
in
the
shopping
center
across
the
street,
they
come
from
long
distances
because
of
affordability.
Q
There's
been
so
much
discussion
about
senior
housing
there
and
it
being
a
really
great
place
for
folks
that
don't
want
to
have
a
car,
because
there
are
services
and
shops
and
centers
there.
So
I
think
that
behooves
us
it's
a
it's
a
point
that
we
take
very
seriously,
is
thinking
about
and
who
the
who
the
future
residents
might
be,
and
we
should
continue
to
consider
that.
S
B
This
might
be
something
we
better
cover
under
can
be
engaging
plan,
but
just
to
hear
mark
it
a
little
bit.
I
actually
think
that
city
staff
is
a
pretty
good
subset
of
people
who
you
should
talk
to
about
housing
needs,
since,
if
we
end
up
with
an
alternative
where
the
city's
offices
move
their
80
percent
of
city
staff
does
not
live
in
Boulder.
What
would
allow
them
to
live
somewhere
nearer
than
driving
out
to
elsewhere?
T
I
had
a
couple
we
heard
from
the
public
comment
tonight.
A
couple
points
that
I
thought
were
I'd
be
interested
to
get
your
thoughts
on
one
was
from
mr.
manlove
about
to
some
degree
confusing
the
area
plan
with
the
site
plan
activities
or
perhaps
confusing,
is
the
wrong
term,
but
mixing
mixing
them
and
having
them
move
ahead.
At
the
same
time
and
I
I
wondered
if,
if
what
your
thoughts
were
in
terms
of
trying
to
distinguish
between
those
two
I
can.
R
I'll
speak
to
that
briefly,
and
then
I'll.
Let
Jeanne
either
contradict
me
or
embed
my
thoughts.
We
actually
gave
a
fair
amount
of
thought
at
issue
in
terms
of,
is
there
a
magical
sequence
or
a
better
sequence
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
broader
area
and
then
looking
at
the
land
owned
by
the
city
where
we
landed
on
that,
of
course,
is
fundamentally
doing
both
simultaneously
and
and
at
least
present.
R
Some
of
the
rationale
behind
that
was
we
we
felt
like
it
would
be
imprudent,
for
example,
to
decide
exactly
what
should
happen
on
the
city-owned
land
and
then
sort
of
figure
out.
Okay,
now
that
we've
decided
that,
how
are
we
going
to
you
know
mitigate
or
buffer
or
respond
to
the
effects
of
that
in
the
adjacent
neighborhood?
R
The
effects
of
the
city
or
of
redevelopment
occurring
at
the
site,
and
we
better
be
looking
at
the
potential
synergies
and
whatever
the
opposite
of
synergy,
would
be
between
those
two
without
looking
only
from
the
neighborhood
point
of
view
and
then
figuring
out.
Okay,
what
does
that
mean
for
the
site?
So
I
I
can
understand
it.
Both
ways
I
understand
closely
to
the
comment
that
was
made,
but
I
think
we
tried
to
strike
a
to
take.
R
Q
I'll
just
try
to
clarify,
because
I
think
it's
difficult,
it's
really
hard,
because
we've
got
this
big
looming
project
this
this.
This
big
change,
that's
gonna
happen
and
then,
of
course,
books.
Books
are
I'm,
really
focused
on
that.
We
also
I
mean
we
heard
from
the
through
the
Vision
Plan
process,
and
we
know
that
this
is
a
great
area.
It's
not
an
area
where
we
know
that
there
needs
to
be
a
bunch
of
changes.
Q
So,
while
the
scenarios
and
the
and
the
there
and
the
more
active
community
engagement
last
fall
where
we
had
those
the
site
possibilities
where
we
were
doing
the
the
fit
tests
to
truly
understand
what
was
possible
on
the
site-
and
we
came
back
to
the
community
and
to
the
Planning
Board
and
the
council
to
understand
better
about
what
those?
What
are,
what
are
we
really
trying
to
talk
about
for
uses?
Are
we
talking
about
lots
of
Civic
uses
everything
about
housing
and
what
types
in
what
shapes
to,
as
Jim
said?
Q
How
does
that
then
affect
they,
the
rest
of
the
areas
so
and
then
in
January
and
February,
we
held
the
small
group
discussions
that
where
we
really
tried
to
ask
questions
about
opportunities
in
the
area
and
what
were
the
things
that
were
important
to
preserve
in
the
area
as
well
as
we
had
maps
and
big
sheets
of
trace
where
we
talked
about
the
access
and
mobility
and
the
transportation
opportunities
and
suggestions
for
the
area.
So
while
they
have
been,
we've
been
thinking
about
them
together.
Q
B
There's
also
just
to
follow
up
on
that
a
little
bit.
Is
it
also
reasonable
to
say
that
there
are
opportunities
sites
in
addition
to
the
ones
that
the
city
owns,
that
need
to
be
addressed,
kind
of
one
way
or
the
other,
and
we've
already
seen
some
of
those
sort
of
through
before
there
was
a
wider
area
plan
like
the
properties
across
the
street
from
gospel
site,
north
awesome
they've
become
big
single-family
homes
or
the
old
integral
center
space,
which
is
becoming
I,
think
high-end,
condos,
or
something
through
by
right
process.
As.
Q
N
N
Very
helpful
so
at
the
City
Council
meeting
on
Tuesday
Congress
City
Councilwoman
Nagle
asked
what
was
the
number
of
units
necessary
to
achieve
affordability,
and
the
answer
was
I,
think
170
and
I
emailed
you
all
about
this.
Can
you
explain
what
what
why
that?
Not
what
that
number
means
like
how
does
170
translate
into
affordability
and
what
has
just
helped
me
to
understand
pack,
that
of.
J
Q
U
Good
evening
Michelle
Allen
Heath
housing
and
Human
Services,
so
that
was
sort
of
a
kind
of
a
rule
of
thumb.
Obviously,
a
number
that
our
director
Verne
Hebert,
brought
up
and
the
way
he
came
to
that
number
was
to
look
at
a
typical
house,
affordable
housing
project
that
would
be
funded
with
a
whole
host
of
different
funding
sources,
but
including
including
low
income,
housing,
tax
credits,
there's
sort
of
a
sweet
spot
for
that
kind
of
project.
Usually
it's
a
hundred
percent
affordable.
Usually
it's
a
rental
and
the
sweet
spot
is
used
to
be
about
50.
U
Now
we
use
60.
That
number
is
shifts
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
for
that
number
he
threw
out.
It
was
a
project
of
50
units
is
what
the
all
these
funding
sources
like
to
create
there's
sort
of
economy
of
scale.
So
if
we
start
with
the
project
that
needs
50
units,
how
much
market
housing,
cuz
market
housing
supports,
affordable
housing
in
the
way
we
put
together
a
package
to
make
it
all
work
right
and
he
was
using
the
work
that
we
did
to
come
to
our
inclusionary
housing
number
of
25
percent.
U
And
we
did
a
lot
of
financial
analysis
but
said
that
3
market
units
could
support
the
creation
of
one
affordable
unit.
So
when
he
was
thinking
about
a
project
of
50
units
and
then
it
would
take
3
market
units,
so
that's
150
units.
You
come
to
this
number
of
200,
again
kind
of
a
big
rule
of
thumb,
but
it's
basically
saying
that
150
market
units
can
support
one
affordable
housing
project
of
50
units.
Okay,.
U
N
U
When
we
put
this
package
together
and
what
would
happen
is
we
would
probably
sell
offs
portion
of
the
project
to
a
market
developer,
but
we
can
do
that
with
the
requirement
that
they
build
some
amount
of
for
sale
housing
if
we
just
sell
it
off
without
that
requirement.
Right
now
and
probably
for
the
forseeable
project,
you're,
probably
going
to
see
rental
development,
not
for
sales,
we
just
don't
have
a
strong
for
sell
development
market
right
now
it's
coming
around,
but
it
has
been
primarily
rental.
U
U
Outcome
we
own
the
property
will
sell
it
to
you,
but
the
requirement
would
be
that
you
put
some
for
sale
on
there.
We
could
also
say
that
we
would
like
a
buyer
to
put
some
for
sale,
affordable
housing
in
their
project
that
reduces
the
amount
of
funding
we'll
get
out
of
the
project
in
the
form
of
cash
in
lieu.
So
there's
a
balance
that
we
would
have
to
look
at
the
whole
package,
but.
N
I
did
have
one
other
question
that
was
a
follow
up
on
City
Councilman,
Weaver's
question
that
was
raised
and
then
overshadowed
by
the
rest
of
the
conversation.
He
asked
the
question
about
community
business
zone
versus
mixed-use,
business
or
commercial
business,
and
in
all
of
these
options
except
option,
one
I
believe
that
what
is
currently
community
business
is
gone,
that
that,
whatever
that
zone,
that
density
is
and
it's
replaced
with
mixed-use
business,
emuebie
and
I'm
curious.
If
you
could
talk
a
bit
about
what
the
implications
of
that
would
be
in
terms
of.
A
R
Provide
an
initial
answer
to
that,
but
I
would
invite
either
gene
or
my
colleague
Kalani
to
speak
to
that
issue
as
well.
I
believe
the
shift
from
community
business
to
mixed-use
business
is
largely
because
of
the
essentially
the
use
tables
associated
with
are
the
types
of
uses
that
can
be
accommodated
in
those
two
categories.
R
The
the
mixed-use
business
provides
a
little
bit
of
a
wider
range
I
believe,
including
some
residential
uses
that
may
be
more
challenging
within
the
mixed-use
business
and
therefore
it
if,
if
a
goal
of
the
area
were
to
or
if
a
goal
of
the
area
plan
were
to
at
least
enable
the
creation
of
housing
in
order
to
meet
our
housing
goals,
it
would
facilitate
that
I.
Think.
That's
the
basic
rationale
between
that.
Q
S
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
going
back
to
the
whole
idea
of
affordability
and
if
you
can't
help
us
a
little
bit
remind
us
if
we
have
a
target
for
the
city,
oh,
you
know
affordable
housing,
and
how
much
would
this
particular?
You
know,
let's
say
we
look
in
our
range
of
you
know:
options
that
will
contribute
various
levels
just
just
to
give
me
an
idea
that
will
get
us
closer
to
2%
10%
to
that
goal
that
we
want
anywhere
near
this
Michelle
again.
Q
R
U
Council
recently
adopted
a
new
goal
for
the
city.
It
used
to
be
a
ten
percent
goal.
Now
it's
a
15
percent
goal.
It
includes
a
mix
of
of
housing,
affordability,
some
for
low,
moderate,
lower-income
folks,
some
for
middle
income
and
so
anytime
that
we
do
a
project
that
exceeds
15%
we're
getting
ahead.
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
think
about
it.
N
U
Would
again
it's
sort
of
a
big
package:
there
are
more
funds
available
for
low
moderate
income
housing
than
there
are
for
middle-income
housing.
It's
so
that's
tougher
to
do
middle-income
housing.
We
usually
like
to
basically
get
that
through
inclusionary
housing.
So
let's
say
we
sold
off
a
portion
of
the
site
for
for
sale
housing.
We
would
probably
want
that
buyer
to
put
some
middle-income
housing
in
that
project.
C
U
T
Of
the
considerations
that
went
into
the
purchase
of
this
property
by
the
city-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about-
it-
was
the
possibility
of
locating
city
offices
and
county
office.
Co-Locate
co-locating,
those
offices
in
this
area.
And
it
seems
to
me
that,
in
these
options
that
that
has
been
de-emphasized
except
for
the
number
5
to
some
extent
and
I.
Wonder
if
my
perception
is
incorrect
or
if
you
can
describe
how
that's
been
going
on.
So.
Q
I
I
can
say
that
each
of
the
options
and
the
way
that
we're
proceeding
forward
at
this
point
is
with
the
assumption
that
the
medical
pavilion
would
be
renovated
for
a
city
service
hub.
While
that
decision
specifically
will
be
the
council
and
we'll
be
addressing
that
later
this
summer,
with
the
facility's
master
plan
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
talking
about
with
some
of
the
schedule
is
to
ensure
that
that
discussion
takes
place
to
inform
the
area
plan
piece
of
this
too.
So
we
are
still
thinking
about
that
for
city
services
and
the
option.
Q
R
All
relocation
and
I'll
point
out
just
it's
a
this
for
full
disclosure
that
all
the
options
also
in
acknowledge
the
fact
that
we
already
the
brenton
building,
which
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
Alpine
Street.
Just
a
short
ways
off
of
Broadway
is
also
owned
by
the
city
and
has
been
renovated
and
I.
Think
that
provides
about
twenty
four
twenty
five
thousand
square
feet
of
space
for
city
services
and,
of
course,
city
staff
is
currently
located
and
working
in
that
building.
R
T
R
Just
I'll,
just
sort
of
first
of
all,
I'll
just
sort
of
get
a
sense
for
those
who
want
to
think
this
way.
In
terms
of
the
magnitude,
as
I
said,
the
bretton
building
is
about
twenty-four
twenty-five
thousand
square
feet.
The
medical
pavilion
I
believe
is
currently
about
65,000
square
feet.
If
we
were
to
add
a
fourth
storey
to
it,
that
would
get
us
up
to
I.
R
Think
eighty-five
to
ninety
thousand
square
feet
so
between
the
two
of
those
we'd
have
about
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
square
feet
that
could
be
devoted
to
providing
city
services
that
would,
while
that
would
not
empty
out
every
other
sort
of
satellite
area.
Where
the
city
has
offices,
it
would
at
least
accommodate
what
have
been
identified
as
sort
of
the
high
priority
areas
as
I
think.
R
We've
talked
about,
probably
before
with
you
two
the
two
buildings
directly
across
the
creek
from
where
we're
sitting
right
now,
the
park
central
building
and
the
new
Briton
building
are
located
in
the
high
hazard
flood
zone
and
we've
determined
that
the
city
needs
to
vacate
those
buildings
actually
within
the
next
handful
of
years.
Because
of
the
restrictions
associated
with
being
located
in
the
high
hazard
zone,
we're
actually
facing
puts
a
dollar
cap
on
how
much
you
can
spend
on
either
one
of
those
buildings
in
a
rolling
12
month
period
such
that.
R
R
R
R
C
R
N
Up
on
the
question
of
city
and
county,
one
of
the
discussions
at
City
Council
on
Tuesday,
had
to
do
with
the
county's
needs,
and
the
express
need
for
more
parking
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
anyone
has
evaluated
whether
the
existing
county
parking
facility
at
I
think
it's
Portland
in
13th
could
adequately
meet
the
needs
that
they've
expressed,
rather
than
giving
over
some
of
this
land
potentially
to
building
a
parking
structure.
Yeah.
Q
B
T
B
T
T
B
Thank
you
appreciate
your
willingness
to
do
that
so
I
guess.
The
first
question
for
us
is:
are
we
in
agreement
with
the
revised
area,
plan,
goals,
objectives
and
I
believe
we,
you
know
weighed
in
on
these
at
least
twice
before,
and
so
I
just
want
to
see
you
guys
instead
of
taking
them
individually,
does
anyone
have
anything
they
want
to
kind
of
add
or
have
concerns
with
the
existing
language
in
this?
In
this
part,
anyone
or
we
generally
it
stayed
pretty
consistent
from
what
will
you
sign
was
seen
before,
so
it.
Q
Was
really
just
I
think
check.
Q
N
N
Q
R
And
I'll,
just
if
I
could
I'll
just
emphasize
what
Jean
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
which
is
that
the
the
that
city
staff
is
also
actively
working
on
the
city
facilities,
master
plan
and
that
will
and
that
will
really
address
some
key
questions
like
where
is
you
know
what
is
the
most
prudent
way
to
provide
city
services
to
our
community?
To
what
extent
is
consolidation
makes
sense?
Where
should
those
places
be
located
and
so
forth?
So
this
is
not
a.
This
is
not
an
issue.
That's
then
settled
and
set
aside.
B
Yeah
I
just
wanted
on
the
record
to
really
agree
with
you
on
that
I've
thrown
a
number
of
stones
at
that
idea
over
the
years
and
appreciate
you
guys
for
being
nice
to
me.
After
all
that
the
other
comments
I
had
I
just
wanted
him
lose
John's
terminology
embroider
a
little
bit
on
4
&
5
I
mean
one
is
I
really
do
think
that
we
have
to
take
a
close
look
at
what
that
centroids.
The
local
government
customer
service
habit
is
both
in
terms
of
its
ability
to
generate
community
around
those
services.
B
It's
a
story
that
might
not
be
part
of
it.
I
mean
if
people
are
thinking
like
we're,
gonna
be
get
an
office
building
so
but
I
think
it's
important
to
sort
of
tell
the
story
that
it
could
actually
be
a
key
pivotal
shift
and
how
we
do
community
engagement.
So
it's
a
important
part
and
then
under
the
housing
item,
I
think
it's
implied
there
that
it's,
you
know
on-site,
but
I,
think
it's
pretty
clear
size
but
I.
Like
said
it
again,
anyone
else
have
other
goals
and
objectives
kind
of
comments
to
make.
T
S
S
B
T
C
That
yeah,
so
I
just
want
to
follow
up
with
what
you
talked
about
about
number
four,
the
local
government
services
and
the
creating
of
up
first
of
all,
I
think
all
the
goals
and
the
clarifying
objectives
are
good.
I
can't
find
one
that's
objectionable,
but
the
this.
The
idea
that
Brian
had
prefaced
by
him
saying
thrown
stones
at
this
idea
in
the
past
of
having
a
local
government
services
hub
there
I
think
is
good.
I.
C
Think
one
of
one
of
the
clarifying
objectives
that
we
might
think
of
adding
is
to
better
describe
why
it
would
be
important
to
have
a
local
government
services
hub
there.
You
know
I
I,
think
we
talked
a
lot
about
this.
The
last
time
he
came
in
front
of
us
about
having
a
variety
of
different
uses:
residential
commercial
entertainment.
C
You
know
food
and
beverage
to
keep
this
neighborhood
alive,
18
20
hours
a
day,
and
you
know
to
make
it
really
vibrant
and
so
having
people
who
come
to
work
at
8:00
and
leave
at
5:00
and
eat
lunch.
That's
a
component
of
that,
but
also
you
know
the
notion
that
our
government
employees
are
having
a
variety
of
difficulties
living
in
the
community
they're
serving
and
I.
Don't
think
that
creates
the
best
level
of
service.
I!
C
C
Why
we
want
a
government
services
hub
in
the
community
and
why
we
want
to
focus
some
of
the
affordable
housing
on
our
own,
and
you
know
I
would
not
be
opposed
to
even
having
criteria
based
selection
for
the
recipients
of
the
affordable
housing
that
would
favor.
You
know
local
employees
and
government
employees.
If
that's
something
that
you
know
we
can
wrap
our
legal
heads
around
I
would.
B
Yeah
I
think
it's
good
for
us
to
acknowledge
it.
Is
it's
tricky
for
us
to
try
to
look
at
that
yeah
if
there's
a
integration
of
that
into
our
decision-making
process?
How
do
you
tie
that
into
an
area
planning
process
and
that
might
be
above
our
pay
grade?
That's
pricey,
City,
Council
kind
of
a
deal
with
no
sin,
either
thoughts
on
that
your
plan,
goals
and
objectives.
A
B
Cool,
so
the
next
item
on
our
list
is:
are
the
draft
area
plan,
components
and
options
ready
for
public
review
and
input
and
I
think
really?
We
should
focus
on
the
kind
of
two
sub
questions
they've
given
us
should
any
be
limited
or
any
be
added,
I
feel
like
it.
This
and
I'm
just
gonna
weigh
in
sort
of
initially
so
I'll
call
myself
I
feel
like
at
this
juncture.
B
You
know,
I
could
spend
a
lot
of
time
thinking
about
design
and
urban
design
programming
a
lot
of
things
that
would
go
along
with
this,
but
I
think
that
these
personally
are
far
enough
along
that
any
further
investment
in
that
kind
of
thinking
from
our
side
of
the
dais
is
probably
pretty
mature.
I.
Think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
get
these
things
out
in
front
of
folks,
so
they
can
respond
to
them
and
we
can
hear
what
people
have
to
say
and
then
just
setting
the
context
I
mean
City.
B
Council
essentially
has
already
asked
for
option
one
to
be
eliminated,
so
I
just
want
to
do
a
quick
straw
poll.
Is
everyone
comfortable
with
going
along
with
that
decision?
Or
are
we
going
to
try
to
be
at
odds
with
with
that
so
sort
of
like?
Is
it
okay
to
do
a
thumbs
up
on
that
everything,
okay
rolling
with
the
City
Council
direction,
as.
N
B
No
I
don't
want
to
put
the
lid
on
any
other
discussion
for
sure.
So
I
think
I
mean
that's.
Sort
of
a
general
consensus
here
is
that
we've
got
agreement
with
City
Council
that
option,
one
as
it
is
in
this
set
of
diagrams
can
be
eliminated
that
doesn't
shut
the
door
on
any
other
options
being
considered
so
I
just
want
open
about.
Every
else
deserve
like
since
I've
made
myself
heard.
B
Who
wants
to
go
next,
and
should
we
maybe
just
go
down
the
line
and
start
with
Peter
putting
you
on
the
spot
and
also
say
you
don't
want
to
do
a
loved
one?
No,
no
I'm
that
we've
already
decided
that
I'm,
essentially
like,
should
any
new
options
be
added
or
do
we
need
to
do
things
to
existing
options
to
make
them
more
useful
in
the
public
engagement
process,
I'm.
N
The
core
enough
of
you,
I'm,
not
gonna,
pass
so,
although
I'm
very
comfortable
with
eliminating
option,
I
would
like
an
option
that
includes
some
sort
of
community
business
component
which
it
disappears
in
all
of
the
other
options
and
I
was
struck.
I
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
understand
the
what
was
underneath.
The
pictures
that
you
all
offered
and
I
was
struck
by
the
fact
that,
between
the
five
options,
there
is
not
an
option
that
includes
a
per
acre
density
of
between
10
and
30.
N
N
What
an
option
might
look
like
that
in
the
hospital
site
has
holiday
or
slightly
more
densification
and
I'm,
probably
using
the
wrong
language
but
scale
and
height
and
style,
and
which
would
feel
very
much
like
a
neighborhood
and
have
that
urban
density
without
having
the
the
super
high
density
there
in
options,
3,
4
and
5,
which,
frankly,
from
my
understanding,
look
a
lot
like
Transit,
Village
densities
and
I.
Don't
know
that.
That's
something
that's
appropriate
to
the
neighborhood
I'm,
given
the
Boulder
Valley
comp
plan,
commitment
to
people,
hood
character
and
etc.
So.
O
N
The
hospital
is
also
identity
and
urban,
but
the
entire
site,
and
that
whole
area
is
not-
and
it
just
seems
to
me
like
that,
is
a
imposition
of
a
level
of
density
that
we
might
want
to
back
off
a
bit
so
find
an
option
that
would
have
more
of
maintain
more
of
what
we
are
currently
calling
community
business
and
the
lower
density
in
the
mixed-use
business.
Maybe
three
stories
or
at
some
point
four
stories,
but
not
on
the
entire
I,
don't
know
how
to
add
them
exactly
the
language
to
use,
but
I.
B
Think
one
thing
that
we
I
mean
this
is
a
really
wonky
set
of
diagrams
and
so
I
know
baked
into
the
community
businesses
zone,
there's
all
kinds
of
weird
stuff
that
makes
it
actually
actually
kind
of
problematic.
First
for
the
sort
of
thing,
so
it
might
be
important
to
sort
of
tell
that
story.
If
it's,
if
it's
gonna
be
part
of
this
story,
I
actually
I
mean.
Oh
excuse
me
to
editorialize
this
a
little
bit
more
I
think
that
people
are
not
gonna
respond
well
to
zoning
maps.
B
So
you
know,
even
even
those
of
us
who've
been
doing
this
for
a
while.
Look
at
that,
and
sometimes
don't
know
what
they
all
mean
and
I
think
you
know.
Sarah's
reaction
to
the
images
is
as
much
like
mine
I
think
you
can
tell
the
story
a
much
much
more
effectively
with
50
images
on
a
sheet
and
with
the
character
the
place
and
then
actually
it
far
more
specific
about
what
it
is
like,
so
that
you
know
either
people
have
we'll
just
so.
B
C
H
Q
C
Then
I'm
just
gonna
make
a
quick
comment
which
is
so
should
any
new
options
be
added.
I
said
this
at
the
last
meeting:
I'll,
just
repeat
it:
I
I'm,
less
impressed
with
the
idea
of
having
a
giant
governmental
complex
with
both
the
county
and
the
city
and
I
am
with
the
idea
of
consolidating
city
offices
in
this
area,
and
you
know
the
county's
office
space
needs
and
parking
needs
are
so
significant
that
I
think,
if
you
add
the
county
and
the
city's
needs
together,
it
starts
tipping
the
balance
away
from
that
vibrant
around-the-clock
community.
C
That
I
am
envisioning
for
this
area,
and
so
I
would
argue
for,
if
we're
we're,
gonna
have
a
new
option,
some
sort
of
hybrid
between
four
and
five
that
essentially
doesn't
consider
the
county's
needs
and
replaces
them
either
with
further
consolidation
of
city
offices
or
with
housing
that
that
fills
in
or
retail
or
mixed-use.
That
fills
in
the
area
that
was
dedicated
to
the
county.
I
think.
Q
B
I'll
call
myself,
then
I,
don't
think
we'd,
add
any
more
options.
Personally.
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
inject
some
personality
into
the
options,
though
that
I
kind
of
said
that
before
but
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
should
go
into
there
is
I'm
gonna
kind
of
go
back
to
this
when
we
get
to
the
more
appropriate
sections,
but
what's
in
it,
for
the
neighbors,
you
know
is
a
big
question
and
if
we
we
need
to
community
engagement,
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
second.
S
They
might
comment
it's
gonna
go
following
with
Harmon
talking
about
I,
really
like
the
idea
of
somehow
visioning
this
particular
site
as
having
a
high
goal
to
bring
our
workers
here,
especially
of
our
underserved
communities.
We
do
have
plenty
of
them
and
there
are
on
the
outskirts.
We've
seen
the
maps,
there's
specs
around
the
city
and
they're
very
discernible.
It
would
be
great
if
we
start
getting
a
little
bit
more
of
the
mix
and
then
we
can
truly
reflect
the
values
we
speak
of.
So
I
think
this
would
be
an
excellent
opportunity.
S
Also.
It
would
be
great
for
us
to
be
able
to
maybe
have
dinner
with
our.
You
know,
gardener
or
know
the
person
that
just
happens
to
live
across
the
street
from
us
and
also
serves
Edison
in
some
other
capacity
that
really
builds
community
I
mean
I,
think
I'm,
hoping
that
this
would
be
a
good
way
to
really
start
building
that.
T
Well,
I:
I,
don't
disagree
with
anything
that
I've
heard
from
my
colleagues
here,
but
I
I
have
a
couple
of
thoughts.
One
is
that
I'm
I
am
a
much
bigger
fan
of
having
County
and
City.
The
offices
be
co-located
to
the
degree
possible
because
I
think
there
are
so
many
benefits
associated
with
with
a
close
coordination
both
for
the
public
when
they
have
to
visit
offices
in
in
both
units,
as
well
as
for
the
staff
who
are
concerned
with
similar
issues.
T
T
The
the
other
thing
that
I
would
I
would
encourage
is
to
as
I
think
hahndorf
pointed
out.
We
need
a
bike
path
along
Broadway
in
front
of
there
and
I
haven't
seen
that
pointed
out
in
the
maps,
but
it's
never
too
early
to
think
about
details
like
that
and
otherwise
I
think
the
in
the
City
Council
meeting
that
you
had
a
couple
nights
ago.
T
There
was
a
proposal
to
use
some
sort
of
a
form
based
decision
making
or
or
design
codes
and
I
think
that
could
go
a
long
way
to
to
making
things
more
clear
for
the
neighborhood
about
what
the
impacts
on
them
might
be.
Rather
than
talking
about
densities,
which
tend
to
scare
people
immediately.
If
people
understood
what
the
nature
of
the
buildings
were
going
to
be
without
reference
to
the
densities
associated
with
them,
I
think
that
could
be
another
way
of
talking
about
this,
that
that
might
have
some
benefit.
V
Okay,
well,
the
first
one
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
First
of
all,
I
think
all
options
two
through
five
should
remain
in
the
mix
for
the
next
phases.
I
think
they're
all
valid
options
to
look
at
what
I
heard.
I
also
watched
City
Council,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
confusion
between
two
and
four
being
almost
equivalent
and
I
felt
like
the
outcome
of
that
discussion.
Was
that
yeah
they
are
almost
equivalent,
which
made
me
feel
like.
V
Perhaps
they
can
be
differentiated
a
bit
so
that
we
are
looking
at
two
different
things
that
resonate
with
people
more.
It
doesn't
really
strike
me
that
you're
gonna
add
a
lot
of
extra
mixed-use
if
the
number
of
houses
that
we
projector
remain
the
same.
So
maybe
there's
more
density
and
option
four
or
and
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
for
what
Sara
said
to
keep
the
commercial
business
area
one
in
some
areas
in
option
two
which
or
something
like
that,
so
so
there.
V
Almost
half
the
City
Council
members
were
willing
to
take
that
off
the
table
at
this
point,
I
think
that's
really
not
a
good
idea.
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
what
the
community
thinks
about
option.
Three
and
I
think
the
option.
Three
is
a
huge
option
in
realizing
the
Boulder
Valley
at
Valley,
complan
goals
and
principles.
So
I
think
you
can
justify
it
because
it
doesn't.
You
know
it
doesn't
really
help
us
meet
those
principles,
but
option
three
does
and
so
I
see
no
reason
at
this
time
to
just
preemptively
get
rid
of
it.
V
The
point
it's
gonna
have
a
poison
pill
on
it,
because
people
aren't
gonna
be
willing
to
do
a
trade-off
to
do
that.
Huge
precipitous
drop
and
projected
housing
just
to
accommodate
county
services
being
located
there
without
something
else
going
on
so
so
I
really
that
that's
got
a
poison
pill
in
it
and
I
think
that
it's
a
shame
and
we
probably
can't,
but
if
we
could
somehow
coordinate
it
with
the
with
the
iris
and
Broadway
area
and
what
we
might
be
able
to
get
from
that.
But
I
realize
that's
a
bit
a
heavy
lift.
V
Other
people
say
that.
So,
if
we,
if
we
could
know
that,
okay,
that
that
drop
in
the
housing
projections
from
co-locating,
because
I
love,
the
idea
of
collating
like
John,
said
collating.
County
and
city
services
created
a
great
idea.
But
but
we
have
to
know
that
we're
not
gonna
give
up
that
much
housing,
an
opportunity
and
I
think
to
do
that,
or
at
least
it.
That
would
be
what
I
would
expect
a
lot
of
people
to
react
to
so
to
make
that
option
viable.
T
V
B
Great
so,
let's
jump
to
the
question
number
three,
which
is
those
plenty
where
I
have
questions
about
the
following
draft
area
plan
components
so
the
first
one
of
these
is
land
use,
character,
district
in
urban
design
options.
The
next
will
be
the
connections
plan,
access
to
mobility
strategy
and
the
last
one
is
community
engagement.
So
let's
take
those
in
order,
so
the
first
one
being
land
use,
character,
district
and
urban
design
options
and
I've
been
at
the
point
to
use
their
at
Peter.
Did
you
get
to
see
what
you
wanted
to
say
this
time,
I'm.
B
B
N
B
I
think
I
mean
just
in
the
bucket
no
just
since
you
asked
me
to
tell
you
why
there's
gonna
sort
of
smacky
with
a
ruler
or
not
I
do
think
that
that's
an
appropriate
thing
in
this
conversation,
I
mean
land
use,
is
a
piece
of
this
I
think
it's.
The
conversation
today
is
less
about
exactly
what
would
happen
and
what
the
outcomes
might
be,
but
more
sort
of
like
in
putting
that
to
city
staff.
B
N
C
G
C
Land
use,
you
know,
I,
think
that's
really
tied
into
the
options
that
we
just
discussed
so
good
good
options,
I
think
in
terms
of
character,
districts
that
are
been
designed.
You
know
I,
like
I,
like
the
Allen
connections
of
owners.
You
know
those
kind
of
greenways.
You
know
the
ever
developing
concepts
on
how
to
handle
Goose
Creek.
C
We,
you
know,
we've
talked
down
to
the
gnats
austere
e'er
around
that
you
know
talking
about
how,
if
it's
on
one
side
of
the
buildings
that
might
get
too
icy
and
stuff
versus
if
it's
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
so
I
I
think
that's
still
got
a
lot
of
there's.
Probably
a
lot
of
work.
That's
left
to
do.
Is
we
get
a
little
closer
to
final
design,
but
I
think
we're
all
on
the
right
track
with
that,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
B
So
I'll
call
myself
I
think
in
terms
of
land
use
table
as
well.
Second,
what
Sara
said
about
making
sure
we're
integrating
this
process
with
land
use
table
process
as
well,
I
think
there's
some
things
to
learn
from
this
process
that
would
feed
back
into
the
use
table,
process
really
really
beautifully,
and
so
I
think
that's
super-important,
something
it's
super
important
to
talk
about
what
kinds
of
land
uses
are
allowed
in
this,
so
that
people
understand
that
there's
a
part
of
the
communication
process
like
you
know
what
can
go
in
these
spaces.
B
The
character,
districts
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
framework
for
understanding
it
and
for
breaking
it
down
and
I
am
assuming
that
that's
gonna
sort
of
map
relatively
directly
to
zoning
districts
once
that
happens,
it
seems
to
have
happened
in
this
set
of
drawings,
but
I
think
every
time
I'm
gonna
like
throw
some
more
stones
like
every
time.
Someone
does
a
project
the
edge
of
the
project
that
they're
looking
at
is
like
looked
at
as
a
gateway,
and
that
doesn't
mean
it's
a
gateway
to
anything
other
than
to
your
project.
B
B
Now
it's
like
I'm
unwell
now
in
the
different
neighborhood
I'm
very
gate
weighing
like
it's
not
an
experience
that
people
have
and
I
think
it
also
sets
up
I
think
a
poor
way
of
us
looking
at
corridor
planning,
because
really,
if
we're
trying
to
do
transit,
rich
corridors,
they
need
to
be
continuously
transit,
rich,
not
just
sporadically,
transit,
rich
and
that's
one
of
the
problems
we
faced.
As
we
talked
about
the
Broadway
Quarter
plan
workshop
that
we
did
a
while
back,
but
I
think
was
really
really
well.
B
That
was
super
grade,
but
I
think
this
needs
to
inform
that,
rather
than
sort
of
just
shrugging
at
the
edge
and
being
like
we're,
not
gonna,
it's
a
transition
to
what's
not
happening.
So
I
want
to
like
throw
stones
at
the
terminology
of
gateways.
I
think
transition
is
fine,
but
I
wouldn't
call
them
gateways.
That's
my
little
speech
about
gateways.
B
And
in
terms
of
design
options,
I
think
again
just
making
those
as
robust
as
possible
and
I
think
making
it
clear
that
you,
as
you
have
started
to
that
you
know
you
can
start
to
preference
different
reforms.
You
can
start
a
preference
variate
refights.
You
can
start
to
preference
some
of
that
sort
of
stuff
and
how
and
where
you
allocate
uses
on
the
site
so
part
of
that
I
think
as
opposed
to
the
old
use
table
approach
which
is
like
anywhere
is
the
same
as
anywhere
else.
Just
not
true,
so
those
are
those.
S
My
I'm
gonna
be
very
brief.
After
listening
to
our
community
members,
I
would
really
liked
to
see
if
they'd
been
in
new
relations
on
land
news.
We
start
speaking
a
little
bit
more
other
language
that
the
community
brought
up.
I
really
appreciate,
for
example,
reminding
us
about
bike
paths,
but
somehow
didn't
come
through,
and
some
of
this
so
I
think
that
our
community
have
had
some
thoughtful
activities.
S
B
T
V
Things
John
David
just
keep
on
to
that
comment
because
I
agree,
I,
think
that
you
know
it's
not
gonna
be
form
based
coding.
There
won't
be
as
prescriptive
is
Boulder
Junction,
but
the
area
plan
does
give
us
the
opportunity
to
put
in
things
that
we
can
have
specific
guidelines
that
then
we
can
say
hey
that.
Doesn't
that
doesn't
look
right
for
what
we
envision
for
this
area.
V
The
area
plan
says
we
should
do
this,
so
if
we
can
find
ways
to
describe
what
we're
looking
for
aesthetically,
that
would
be
wonderful
and
I
heard
yeah
I
heard
Brian
say
things
like
that
lupita,
so
everybody's
been
striking.
That
thing
also
the
City
Council
had
a
lot
of
desire
to
see
visuals
and
I.
Think
that's
how
you
get
around
some
of
the
land
use
the
stuff
that
doesn't
the
people
who
aren't
familiar
with
zoning
and
land
use
may
have
trouble
understanding,
so
visual
visuals
would
be
really
great
for
as
we
go
forward.
V
J
V
J
J
Those
lines
I
do
like
the
images
in
attachment,
C
and
I
really
do
like
seeing
the
images
around
the
the
linear
park
and
the
plazas
and
public
gathering
spaces,
because
I
do
think.
That
is
what
this
will
be
known
for.
The
buildings
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
make
them
look
horrible
and
designed
by
committee,
and
that
is
what
it
is.
We
hopefully
we're
gonna
try
our
best
but
to
fail
at
the
plazas
and
the
public.
C
I,
just
I
wasn't
gonna
add,
but
if
I
can
just
in
reaction
to
what
P
you
just
said,
you
know
if
this
is
a
great
government
complex
and
a
great
new
area
for
the
city.
You
know
one
thing
that
cities
often
look
back
on
and
and
look
forward
with,
is
well.
We
got
this
park
designed
by
Frederick,
Law
Olmstead
or
something
like
that.
R
J
That
is
not
I.
Do
want
to
add
on
to
that,
because
that
isn't
necessarily
an
individual
component.
That's
the
very
narrative!
That's
going
to
attract
the
community
and
the
stakeholders
to
the
project
right
now.
There
is
no
element
that
is
binding.
Anyone
together,
because
there
is
no
big
idea
or
dream
or
vision
and
saying
that
we're
gonna
have
a
design.
Competition
doesn't
mean
we're.
Gonna
lay
out
the
rules,
it
just
says:
that's
what
we're
going
we're
going
somewhere
exceptional
and
if
we
start
layering
more
of
that
language
in
I
think
we're
gonna
get
more
buy-in.
B
C
Yeah
and
slightly
snarkily
I
might
say
Brian
that
they
seem
to
have
misinterpreted.
The
question,
which
was
this
planning
board,
have
questions
about
the
following
draft
area
playing
components,
and
we
just
gave
15
20
30
minutes
of
good
glance
about
the
first
one.
So
do
we
want
to
change
up?
How
we're
dealing
with
this
or
I've
got
some
comments
that
I
can
briefly
go
through
and
what.
C
C
You
know,
transit
the
bus
super,
stops
Broadway
and
being
able
to
show
that
there's
a
lot
less
impact
in
in
terms
of
traffic
than
there
was
when
the
hospital
is
fully
operational
and
not
just
that.
This
new
plan
and
all
of
its
different
options
has
a
lot
less
impact,
but
that
the
transportation
plan
for
for
Alpine
balsam
is
full
of
much
smarter,
TDM
and
and
strategies
for
multimodal
use.
B
Cool
I
would
second,
all
that
and
I
would
just
say
that
during
the
process
it
would
be
good
to
have
an
image
for
the
public
and
other
folks
to
feedback
to
understand
the
context
of
the
connections,
master
plan,
treszura
transportation,
master
plan,
because
you
know
I,
think
you
know
bike
I
would
love
to
see
a
bike
lane
along
Broadway.
But
there
are
bike
lanes.
B
You
know
block
off
by
the
way
their
way
and
if
we
added
a
bike
lane
here
would
be
like
one
block
long
and
not
connect
to
any
of
the
bike
lanes,
which
is
a
pretty
weird
thing
to
do.
So
it's
got
to
be
in
a
bigger
context,
so
we
might
get
comments
like
that
about
my
cap.
My
plans
I'm
totally
out
for
it,
but
actually
like
it's
a
copper
word
weird
way
to
do
that,
because
nobody
wants
a
one
block,
long
or
two
block
long
bike
lane
so
past.
One.
B
J
N
Again,
I'm
not
sure
this
is
the
right
place,
but
I'm
gonna
bring
up
my
graded
tree
issue
again
and
I'm
hopeful
that
when
you
do
the
green
streets
or
greenways
instead
of
having
enclosed
urban
trees,
these
are
trees
that
have
room
to
grow
and
flourish
and
become
part
of
the
canopy,
not
that
that
has
to
do
with
transit.
Exactly
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
curbside,
manageable,
I
think.
B
B
B
Q
The
small
group
workshops
we
had
the
maps
out
and
we
had
trace
and
we
gave
people
markers
and
they
marked
up
where
were
the
pinch
points
and
where
were
opportunities
and
what
they
liked.
So
all
of
that
information
was
super
helpful
and
we
got
really
specific
about
all
of
that
and
that
fed
into
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
connections
plan
awesome.
B
Great
great,
let's
good,
work
and
I
think
I
mean
that's
one
thing
that
people
are
really
good
at
responding
to
you
like:
where
does
it
stink
it
across
the
road
and
where
did
I
almost
get
hit
when
I
was
on
my
bike
and
where's,
my
child
get
afraid
when
they're
trying
to
get
over
to
the
school?
Those
like
really
key
experiential
parts
of
the
city
are
important
to
map.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
That's
awesome
and
then
on
that
on
the
engagement
plan,
I
think,
is
also.
B
One
of
the
big
questions
is
essentially
the
wider
context
for
the
use
tables
project
which
is
like
okay.
So
you
live
in
this
neighborhood.
What
are
the
things
that
you
have
to
do?
You
have
to
get
in
your
car
to
do?
What
gets
you
in
your
car
to
go
somewhere
else,
and
can
we
find
a
way
of
providing
those
kinds
of
uses
on-site?
So
you
don't
have
to
get
in
your
car.
B
Do
those
things
whether
it's
like
getting
to
a
preschool
or
get
into
a
daycare
or
getting
to
whatever
I
mean
we're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
fit?
You
know
a
Sam's
Club
in
there
or
something
like
that,
but
I
think
there
are
some
things
that
if
you
inventory
what's
there
and
then
look
at
the
community
around
than
what
they
need,
there's
a
good
possibility.
B
It's
so
important
to
listen
the
people
who
are
speaking
and
and
to
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say.
It's
also
super
super
important
to
figure
out
who's
not
being
heard
and
who's
in
this
neighborhood
is
silent.
You
can't
show
up
at
a
meeting
and
sit
here
for
a
long
time
and
and
just
really
find
a
way
of
talking
to
them
whether
it's
you
know,
while
their
housing
partners
owns
a
senior
housing
project
and
the
property,
you
can
go
to
them
and
talk
to
them.
B
There's
affordable
housing
around
the
bowl,
North
Pole,
the
rec
center.
You
can
go
use
their
space
because
there's
a
space
there
to
meet,
bringing
people
who
don't
live
in
those
communities
into
those
communities
to
meet
can
be
a
really
great
way
of
creating
community
and
creating
some
cross-pollination
and
understanding
between
people,
because
you
know
it
is
highest
and
best
like
I
think
these
processes
can
be
viewed
straightforwardly
as
a
community
building
process.
B
How
do
we
have
people
come
into
these
spaces
in
these
conversations
and
walk
out
with
more
affinity
for
each
other,
rather
than
thinking
like
wow
I
didn't
know
that
guy
before,
but
now
I
really
hate
him,
which
seems
to
happen
sometimes
here.
So,
let's
see
if
we
can
like
somehow
undo
that
pattern,
because
I
really.
S
Think
that
I'm,
just
closing
with
that
I,
would
like
to
find
ways
so
that
we
can
hear
from
the
workers
in
our
city,
especially
those
that
are
not
here.
I
suggest,
I,
don't
know
that
may
require
special
ways.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
been
successful
in
the
past,
but
I
suspect
it's
probably
one
of
the
hardest
things
to
do
so.
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
try
to
think
about
ways,
but
certainly
I
know
when
you
want
to
access
communities
that
you
don't
see
regularly.
S
Sometimes
you
really
have
to
think
outside
the
box
and
do
so
one
unorthodox
things,
but
I
figured
at
least
for
some
communities
what
to
find
people
when
I
really
want
them
so
I,
don't
know
so
much
how
I
say
that
is
for
the
workers
they
come
from
outside.
We
do
have
a
belief
60,000
of
them,
so
we
should
be
able
to
find
some
of
them.
S
N
T
T
And
so
you
don't
know
if
that
was
99%
of
the
neighborhood
who
made
that
comment
or
fifty
one
percent
or
two
percent
and
I'm
not
sure
how
to
go
about
quantifying
it.
It's
a
huge
and
labor-intensive
thing
to
do,
but
but
if
there
was
some
way
for
people
both
for
us
to
know
what
sort
of
percentage,
what
sort
of
percentages
were
talking
about
and
for
the
people
who
made
those
comments
to
realize
that
they're,
not
alone
or
maybe
they
are
alone
in
those
thoughts.
T
B
V
Think
that
I'll
just
agree
with
very
strongly
with
things
that
I've
heard
I,
especially
am
interested
in
ways
that
we
can
increase
the
number
of
people
we
hear
from,
because
I
do
realize
that
there
are
voices
that
we
are
not
hearing
and
I.
Think
that
that's
really
resonates
with
me.
So
all
that's
been
said
on
that.
So
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
Thanks.
B
J
Do
think
doing
a
great
job
with
the
outreach
and
I
thought
what
John
said.
It
was
really
beautiful
about
hearing
people
and
acknowledging
how
they're
heard
not
that
that's
not
being
done,
but
I
just
wanted
to
echo
that
and
I'll
go
back
to
something
that
ice
and
you
laughter
two
years
ago,
but
I
still
think
is
important.
Now
more
than
ever,
and
it's
really
simple
and.
J
It's
simple:
yet
these
things
don't
happen
overnight
or
by
themselves.
So
we've
got
bans
on
the
bricks,
I,
don't
know
why
we
don't
have
hootenanny
on
the
helipad.
Why
aren't
we
getting
together
on
that
big,
empty
parking
lot
at
all
different
times
of
the
weekend
of
different
beautiful
summer
afternoons
where
people
can
go
and
be
together,
got
this
great
block
party
trailer
that
the
city
sends
out
that's
sending
this
emissary
out
to
the
communities
that
are
using
it
and
all
those
communities
are
coming
together
and
organizing.
J
They
should
know
that
there'll
be
a
Conclave
of
anyone.
Who's
ever
had
a
block
party
trailer
to
all
get
together
and
meet
every
other
neighborhood.
That's
had
a
block
party
trailer
and
do
it
on
this
site
and
really
bring
some
life
into
it.
I
love
seeing
the
green
spray-painted
word
love
on
the
sign
that
went
up
just
recently
after
they
took
the
hospital
sign
down.
I
think
it's
great!
So
here's
this
site
that
is
begging
for
love
and
this
other
concept
of
legacy
and
prophecy.
J
What
was
there
to
have
a
gathering
on
a
helipad
where
the
spin
the
site
of
a
lot
of
pain
and
death
and
sorrow
in
life?
Let's
acknowledge
that
space
and
let's
come
together
as
a
community
and
use
something
that
we
already
own.
We
own
that
land
and
porta
potties
don't
cost
that
much
local
businesses
will
come
together
to
sponsor
an
event
or
two
or
four.
So
to
me,
it's
a
waste
of
opportunity
and
it's
staring
us
in
the
face
around
community
engagement.
Q
Q
J
B
Just
on
that
note,
I
mean
there's:
a
I
was
just
in
Portland
for
a
conference
and
there's
a
great
downtown
parking
lot,
where
they've
left
it
as
a
parking
lot,
but
the
last
stall
and
the
perimeter
has
been
taken
down,
they've
wrapped
the
entire
thing
with
food
trucks
right.
So
that's
just
that
one
stall
was
something
he
could
use
to
activate
the
street
in
the
way
that
was
incredibly
fantastic,
but
they
still
have
the
park
in
the
middle
I.
Don't
know
if,
like
wrapping
in
food
trucks,
is
the
right
idea
of
it.
N
I
actually
want
to
turn
to
the
language
that
you
all
used
in
the
proposal
or
in
the
packet,
which
was
to
limit
that
in
the
next
stage
of
community
engagement,
is
to
limit
to
inform
and
consult
and
perhaps
I'm
misunderstanding
the
words.
But
it
strikes
me
that
I
know
you
have
to
move.
You
want
to
move
this
process
along,
but
everything
I'm
hearing
here
actually
is
involve
and
collaborate
as
well
and
versus
here's.
What
we're
doing
and
and
what
do
you
think,
I
think
we're
still
the
fact
that
we
still
have
four
options?
Maybe
five.
N
If
a
new
one
is
in
fact
developed
on
the
table,
there's
still
a
lot
of
involvement
and
collaboration
to
come
and
I
just
I'm,
not
a
community
engagement,
expert
and
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding
these
words.
But
I
really
feel
like
there's
still
a
lot
of
community
participation.
Real
participation
to
be
had
I
can.
Q
U
B
C
You
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
cart
being
put
before
the
horse.
Nor
do
I
think
that
the
that
the
work
that
we've
seen
in
front
of
us
is
really
focused
on
that
two
by
three
block
site
per
se.
I
see
this
as
being
an
area
plan
for
the
whole
four
by
six
block
area,
that's
described
in
the
area,
so
I'm
comfortable,
both
with
the
process,
the
planning
process
of
simultaneous
site
area
planning
and
also
the
the
focus
of
doing
the
the
more
integral
site,
as
well
as
a
little
more
overall
area.
C
At
the
same
time,
I
think
your
community
outreach
if
it
follows
the
principles
that
we
used
in
the
last
few
community
outreach
projects,
including
the
comp
plan,
and
it
sounds
like
that's.
The
direction
we're
headed,
they've
been
working
and
and
I
think
they're
already
working
and
they're
gonna
keep
working.
So
I'm
happy
with
the
way
that's
going
and
then
I
just
really
echo
David
and
Lupita
about
hearing
from
the
person
who's
hard
to
hear
from
you
know.
Maybe
a
few
stops
into
illegal
peds.
C
You
know,
or
you
know,
inviting
people
who
are
just
here
for
the
day.
They've
got
one
hour
a
day
that
they
can
actually
give
up,
and
it's
called
lunchtime
you
know,
maybe
feed
a
few
folks
and
ask
for
their
opinions
if
they
live
outside
of
town
and
work
here
you
know
I
think
people
feel
like
they
might
jinx
themselves,
they're
only
120
units
or
200
units
or
whatever
that
are
gonna,
be
available.
So
Who
am
I
to
say,
I
want
to
be
the
person
who
participates
in
this.
C
You
know
City
study
about
what
my
housing
needs
are.
I'm,
probably
gonna
be
stuck
out
here
in
Firestone
for
as
long
as
it
takes
for
me
to
get
two
or
three
promotions,
so
I
can
afford
to
live
in
Boulder,
and
that
knows
what
that
place
is
gonna
cost
by
the
time.
I
get
those
promotions
better
to
just
give
them
a
low-pressure
opportunity
to
come
and
talk
which
I
think
lunch
might
be
a
good
one.
That's
just
an
example
of
or
a
suggestion.
A
B
Think
I'm,
you
know,
I'll
kick
off
the
next
one
for
Lupita,
but
I'm
engaged
in
planning,
I.
Think
the
other
contextual
pieces
when
I
bring
back
from
you
know
something
little
is
Payton
used
to
say
when
she
was
on
this
board.
Is
that
when
you're
really
working
with
the
neighborhood
in
the
immediate
area,
around
the
potential
project
or
in
the
area
plan,
one
of
the
larger
contextualizing
questions
is
like
you
know:
what
can
your
neighbor
dude
neighborhood
do
to
satisfy
these
larger
community
goals
that
we
do
have
in
the
comp
plan
and
I?
B
Think
it's
really
important
to
for
us
all
to
hold
the
idea
that
the
comp
plan
is
the
thing
that
everyone
has
weighed
in
on.
Everybody
did
have
an
opportunity
to
say
stuff
in
there
and
christmas-tree
with
whatever
they
wanted
to
do.
That's
where
those
community
values
are
set
up,
and
then
you
did
the
sort
of
a
sub
category
of
that.
You
know
the
vision
plan
for
this
area
and
I
think
you
know
what
you're
doing
surveys
or,
if
you're
doing
engagement
with
neighbors.
B
S
B
T
I
was
surprised
by
the
recommendation
from
staff
on
on
this,
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
pursue
it
a
little
bit.
It
seems
to
me
that
my
media
response
is
surprised,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
when
we're
making
such
a
significant
investment
in
such
an
area
that
is
subject
to
flood
concerns,
one
would
think
that
this
is
a
logical
place
to
begin.
Even
if
we
can't
complete
the
the
flood
mitigation
arrangements
for
Goose,
Creek
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
more
feedback
from
staff
right.
Q
And
I
covered
this
very
very
briefly
in
the
presentation,
because
the
City
Council
had
a
little
more
information
on
this
that
our
meeting
when
we
talked
with
them
on
May
16th,
but
there
was
more
information
in
your
packet
in
the
memo
as
well
as
in
the
attachment
about
the
flood
mitigation.
I'm
gonna
ask
Douglas
Sullivan
to
come
up
and
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
to
help
me.
Cuz
I
can
muddle
through
some
of
the
responses
on
this,
but
Dougal's
can
provide
a
little
more
information
and
I.
Think
Douglas.
Q
W
Thanks
Jean
Douglas,
Sullivan
principal
engineer
for
utilities,
so
I
am
very
familiar
with
Goose
Creek.
It's
been
studied
a
lot
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
capital
improvements
done
over
the
last
20
or
30
years.
We
normally
wouldn't
provide
that
much
background
in
a
particular
memo,
but
I
thought
a
little
bit
of
context
was
important,
which
is
why,
if
you
saw
the
council
memo-
or
maybe
yours
as
well,
there
was
a
bit
in
terms
of
what's
happened
over
a
bit.
W
What
we
call
major
drainage
way,
work
and
all
of
those
projects
were
designed
to
accommodate,
what's
called
the
hundred
year
storm
event,
and
they,
those
projects
culminated
about
ten
or
twelve
years
ago
at
the
vicinity
of
a
veg
would
there
and
in
Folsom,
and
there
was
a
decision
by
staff
with
a
healthy
public
process
at
that
time
to
decide
whether
that
level
of
improvement
would
continue
to
the
west
and
for
those
of
you,
planning
board
members
that
know
that
area
quite
well.
Along
Edgewood,
there
are
29
homes
on
the
south
side
of
Edgewood
and
Goose.
W
Specifically
now
we
target
those
that
are
specifically
in
the
high
hazard
zone,
not
in
the
floodplain,
because
there
are
thousands
in
the
floodplain
and
we
probably
have
on
the
order
of
200
in
the
high
hazard
zone,
so
we're
sort
of
moving.
You
know
upstream
here
there
are
improvements
that
are
necessary
when
you
get
up
into
the
upper
reaches
of
upper
goose,
and
so
there
are
a
couple
things
going
on
right
now,
one
of
our
staff.
W
It
may
have
spoken
to
you
before
Katie
Knapp
is
doing
a
project
and
it's
called
a
mitigation
study
and
it
takes
into
account
both
upper
Goose,
Creek
and
2-mile,
which
comes
in
to
Goose
Creek
in
the
vicinity
where
I
spoke
of.
In
addition,
we
completed
a
stormwater
master
plan
in
2017
and
one
of
the
things
that
comes
out
of
a
master
plan
or
what
we
call
tier
1
tier
2
and
tier
3
improvements.
W
Those
are
high,
medium
and
low
priority,
and
the
highest
priority
for
the
storm
pipe
system
is
actually
in
the
upper
Goose
Creek
Basin
anywhere
between
fourth
and
down
into
the
very
area
around
north
and
and
the
area
we're
talking
about.
So
the
last
piece
in
wrapping
up
here
to
explain
what's
going
on
is
it
was
not
possible
to
move
ahead
with
those
storm
sewer
improvements
on
the
very
west
end
of
town
and
put
an
increased
amount
of
flow
into
an
unimproved
channel
whereby
there
was
not
capacity
and
you
would
risk
damage
to
those
homes.
W
So,
in
our
capital
improvements
program
in
the
year
2023,
we
have
a
twenty
four
million
dollar
project
identified
and
half
of
that
is
for
storm
sewer
improvements
and
half
of
it
is
for
what
we
call
open
channel
improvements.
But
we
have
already
identified
the
fact
that
we
utilities
as
a
whole
will
be
moving
ahead
with
open
channel
improvements
in
that
Edgewood
area.
That
would
accommodate
flows
in
the
five
or
ten
year
capacity,
not
the
hundred
year
and
so
to
John's
point.
It
has
been
studied
extensively,
but
without
larger
capacity
downstream.
W
It
would
be
pretty
unrealistic
to
look
at
options
that
would
inundate
a
property
to
where
you
would
create
hundred
year.
Improvements
at
the
very
upper
reaches
you've
probably
heard
a
lot
from
staff
members
that
talk
about
the
stormwater
and
flood
management
utilities
needs
relative
to
the
others.
They
are
significant
were
underfunded
relative
to
what
those
needs
are,
and
so,
ten
or
fifteen
years
ago.
The
focus
then
moved
to
some
of
the
other
drainage
ways
for
the
very
large
capital
projects.
W
You've
heard
about
south
Boulder
Creek
for
mile
was
a
big
one,
specifically
in
the
area
of
Crestview,
Elementary
and,
of
course,
Wunderland
Creek
recently,
you
know
was
completed
in
the
last
year
or
so
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
a
number
of
questions.
It's
a
long
answer,
but
I
sort
of
wanted
to
set
the
foundation
for
how
we
move
from
east
to
west.
That
was
a
great
recap.
Thank.
B
I,
just
before
you
answer
that
I
just
add
a
little
bit
of
color
to
it.
I
think.
The
mechanism
that
you
would
use
to
do
that
which
they're
using
it
rosewood
and
Broadway
to
other
projects,
is
to
do
the
upstream
improvements,
but
then
still
put
a
barrier
in
the
flood
channel
that
releases
at
the
historic
flow
to
not
cause
that
downstream
impact,
because
we're
not
really
allowed
to
do
that
through
FEMA
regulations
or.
W
What's
going
through
my
mind,
your
question
is
a
fair
one
and
I
would
say
the
staff
and
utilities
as
a
whole
in
the
city
does
a
good
job
of
looking
to
the
future.
With
respect
of
all
of
the
major
drainage
ways,
I
think,
what's
probably
a
little
bit
different
here
is
the
flows
are
a
lot
less
on
the
upstream
reaches
because,
like
any
drainage
way,
the
flows
get
bigger
as
tributaries
come
in.
W
W
That's
happened
since
Boulder
started
to
develop
50
or
60
years
ago,
and
that's
there
are
physical
limitations
and
economic
limitations
in
terms
of
what
you
could
do
for
those
of
you
that
know
Gregory
Creek,
that
comes
down
from
Chautauqua
and
there
was
the
first
of
what
we
anticipate
several
projects
just
completed
down
at
9th
Street
in
the
vicinity
of
Arapaho
there,
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
complete
improvements
that
will
accommodate
a
ten-year
storm
event
and
there
are
a
significant
number
of
homes.
The
drainage
way
is
narrow
and
it's
steep.
B
N
May
be
asking
a
question
that
you've
just
answered,
but
in
one
of
those
statements
in
the
packet
said
that
they
were
gonna.
You
were
going
to
focus
on
site-specific
flood
mitigation
and
flood
mitigation
for
the
surrounding
community,
and
maybe
this
has
to
do
with
us
being
the
headwaters
and
so
there's
less
but
I'm
just
curious.
What
are
the
downsides?
Visa
vie.
The
surrounding
community
of
only
focusing
on
flood
mitigation
and
I
believe,
must
be
the
hospital
site.
N
W
Mean
there
would
be
the
obvious
downside
if
you
were
doing
that
and
only
focusing
on
the
hospital
site,
because
you
wouldn't
have
a
good
understanding
of
what
was
happening
in
the
downstream
reaches
the
mitigation
plan.
That's
going
on
for
upper
Goose
Creek
is
looking
at
the
upper
reaches
all
the
way
to
North
Boulder
Park
down
all
the
way
to
Folsom.
So
if
we
work
back
west
just
a
little
bit,
there's
that
section
of
unimproved
channel
between
19th
and
Folsom
and
at
the
very
beginning
of
19th.
W
If
you
physically
look
in
there
sort
of
a
concrete
you
channel,
then
you
have
19th
all
the
way
to
Broadway
and
you
have
all
sorts
of
development,
commercial
and
residential,
and
then
you
have
the
pipe
section.
You
know,
sort
of
all
the
way
up
to
4th
Street,
so
I
would
say:
utility
staff
is
taking
a
comprehensive
look
at
this
and
we're
in
the
mitigation
process
where
we
are
reaching
out
to
the
community
to
look
for
ideas.
W
A
lot
of
this
made
the
news
years
ago
with
expect
to
one
of
the
proposals
that
proposed
inundation
and
Long's
garden,
for
example,
and
so
that
outreach
will
continue
when
we
finish
a
mitigation
plan.
It
basically
leaves
you
with
a
couple
options
for
how
to
proceed.
Then
you
enter
an
engineering
phase
and
ultimately
you
have
to
identify
it
in
the
CIP
relative
to
the
other
needs.
N
W
Q
I
will
address
them
on
the
other
and
I
think.
That's
the
the
thought
for
the
area
plan
as
far
as
just
our
regulations
in
general,
there's
there's
quite
a
bit
of
this
area
that
has
a
lot
of
impervious
surface
that
is,
has
not
been
built
to
even
our
current
design
standards
for
landscaping.
So
any
redevelopment
in
the
area
is
going
to
help
with
an
impervious
surface,
and
especially
if
we
can
enhance
that.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
area
plan.
B
W
W
Lot
of
the
water
comes
down,
balsam,
yeah
and
and
goes
though
you
know,
we
often
speak
in
terms
of
drainage
ways
that
have
defined
channel
where
the
water
would
be
and
there's
also
shallow
flooding.
So
when
you
see
the
flood
plain
Maps,
often
they
really
inundate
a
significantly
wide
area.
Obviously
the
wider
they
are.
You
know
the
more
shallow,
they
are
for
the
same
flows,
but
it
does
indeed
come
down
from
the
streets
on
the
other
side
of
West
students
of.
W
T
B
W
W
What
was
very
confusing
at
the
time
is
that
it
was
a
historic
rainfall
event
from
a
statistical
standpoint.
It
was
in
excess
of
1
in
1,000
year,
but
what
happened
over
seven
days?
You
had
super
saturated
soils,
so
the
water
had
nowhere
to
go,
but
it
never
had
the
intensity
to
trigger
the
significant
floods.
So
we
are
very
aware
that
a
significant
flooding
event
could
be
far
more
expensive
and
far
more
dangerous
than
what
we
had
in
2013.
B
That's
great
I
appreciate
we,
you
know
we
were
able
to
make
you
sort
of
earn
your
pay
for
tonight's
thing.
The
last
last
item.
So
it's
unlike
some
of
the
other
things
in
this
process.
This
is
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
really
get
a
good
understanding
of
this
particular
subject.
So
thank
you
for
sticking
around
yeah.
They
were.
She
had
some.
B
Questions
on
exhaust
ourselves
on
that,
okay
and
I-
guess
like
one
last
round.
If
anyone
wants
to
make
any
sort
of
final
comments
on
the
process,
we've
basically
completed
all
of
the
questions
that
staff
has
asked
of
us,
whether
we
did
it
really
right
or
not
unclear,
but
it
was
also
kind
of
nice
a
little
bit
to
take
a
little
more
time
to
do.
B
V
Q
As
always,
we
would
welcome
any
of
the
Planning
Board
members
to
attend
any
of
the
engagement
events.
So
I
know
that
you
all
all
of
you,
received
the
planning
emails.
So
when
we
have
those
dates
and
times,
please
please
let
us
know
if
there's,
if
there's
a
once,
that
you
would
like
to
attend,
because
I
know
that
in
the
past,
when
we've
done
that
I
think
it's
been
really
helpful
for
community
members
to
actually
talk
with
the
board
members
too,
and
to
gain
that
perspective.