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vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:,
so
first
off.
thank
you.
everyone
from
the
public
who's
joining
us
tonight,.
We
really
appreciate
your
time,
and
my
name
is
vivian,
and
my
role
in
these
meetings
meet
meetings
is
to
facilitate
the
public
engagement
portions,,
and
these
rules
are
in
place
to
help
us
achieve
a
balance
between
transparency
with
community
members
and
security
that
minimizes
the
disruptions.
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
as
sarah
mentioned,,
we'll
start
with
open
comments
from
community
members.
and
there
are
2
public
hearing
items
in
the
agenda
today..
So
we
want
our
participants
to
know
that
the
city
is
really
striving
into
a
vision,
co-created
by
city
staff
and
community
for
productive,,
meaningful,
and
inclusive
civic
conversations,,
and
that
we
worked
with
the
community
to
develop
these
expectations
for
meetings.
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E
Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:.
We
have
a
lot
of
information
on
our
website
about
productive,
atmospheres.
vision..
If
you
want
to
read
up
more
about
it.
but
I'll
just
focus
on
what
we
need
to
know
for
tonight's
meeting.,
the
number
of
rules
of
decorum
that
are
found
in
boulder,
revised
code,,
and
we
have
some
general
guidelines
that
are
advisory
in
nature.
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E
Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:,
and
we
cannot
unmute
you
without
your
full
name..
If
your
full
name
is
not
currently
displayed.,
please
change
it
or
send
it
to
us
in
the
qa.,
and
we
can
change
it
for
you.,
no
pre-existing
list
to
to
participate
today..
So,
at
the
appropriate
time
you
can
raise
your
hand,
and,
on
your
screen,
you'll
see
a
couple
of
different
ways
to
do:
this,
the
very
bottom
of
your
screen.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:-
I
am
joined
here
this
evening
in
the
presentation
by
chris
wranglos,,
who
is
a
senior
planner
within
our
within
our
team,
and
has
been
intimately
involved
with
the
project.
Here.
vivian
has
also
been
played
a
very
key
role
in
all
of
our
community
engagement.
and
then
becca,.
He
who
is
another
team,
member,
she,
unfortunately,,
is
recovering
from
appendicitis
surgery,
so
hopefully,
she's
not
watching
tonight,
and
she's
recovering.,
but
I
hope
she's
doing
well.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
okay,,
sorry
about
that,
folks,
we'll
get.,
we'll
get
run
in
here.
okay?.
So
the
key
objectives
for
this
agenda
item
this
evening
are
going
to
be
to
adopt
the
phase,
2
amendments
to
the
transit
village
area
plan,
and
subsequently.
We
are
also
asking
the
board
to
consider
an
amendment
to
chapter
5
of
the
bbc.,
which
has
a
section
on
the
transit
village
area
plan.
That
provides
a
brief
summary,
and
we
are
simply
updating
that
summary.,
and
so
it
should
really
be
seen
as
more
of
a
house
cleaning
item.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:,
next
slide.,
chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
okay.,
as
sarah
and
kj
have
alluded.
To.
we
sent
3
key
issues
or
key
questions
for
playing
board..
Consider
around
this
agenda.
item,.
The
first
is,
does
any
board
support
the
proposed
mui
land
use
along
old
pearl
street,
over
the
prefer,
over,,
or
prefer
mute.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
keep
going.
okay.
tbac
was
adopted
in
2,007,
and
really,.
It's
hard
to
believe
that
was
already
15
years
ago.,
but
it
does
continue
to
guide
future
change
in
boulder
junction
today,
and
within
the
plan
there
are
detailed
recommendations
for
land,
use,,
area,
character,
transportation
connections
and
implementation.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
and
the
community
wants
to
prioritize
pedestrian
and
bicycle
connectivity
as
well
as
incorporate
more
tree
canopy
and
landscape
areas
to
balance
higher
intensity,
development
and
overall..
There
is
a
desire
to
embody
the
creative,,
entrepreneurial,
and
funky
spirit.
That
is
bolder.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
and
on
balance,
our
focus
groups
are
supportive
of
the
overall
package
of
amendments
and
felt
like
staff,
listened
to
and
incorporated
their
feedback.
importantly,.
Most
members
express
an
interest
to
also
remain
involved,
as
we
move
forward
with
future
implementation.
Steps
on
the
project.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:-
and
I
will
point
out
that
there
is
a
lack
of
consensus
around,,
whether
a
broader
application
of
the
land,
use.
category,,
mixed
use,,
transit,
oriented
development
should
be
applied
across
all
of
phase
2
versus
what
is
proposed,
which
designates
the
mixed
use.
Industrial
land.
use
category
between
old
pearl
and
goose
creek,
and
we'll
expand
on
this
a
little
bit
later
on
in
the
presentation,,
but
wanted
to
call
that
out.
now,.
Before
we
go
too
much.
Further.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
okay.
chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:,
now
onto
the
actual
amendment
itself,,
we
focus
strategically
on
updating
the
land,
use,
transportation
and
urban
design
sections
of
tbap
in
response
to
the
themes
that
had
merged.
we've
updated
the
original
2,007
tbap
document
with
notations.
they're.
The
big
red
exclamation
points
that
you
can't
really
miss
to
direct
community
staff
boards.
Council.
and
really,.
Anybody
who
may
be
interested
to
the
phase
2
amendment
where
those
updates
are
described
in
more
detail.
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Chris
ranglos,
city
of
boulder:
and
the
amendment
itself
is
attached
to
the
original
document
as
an
addendum,
and
they
are
meant
to
be
read.
Together,
and
finally,.
Like
we
mentioned
before,,
a
large
bulk
of
tvap
still
addresses
relevant
topics
for
the
future
of
the
area..
So
it's
not
to
be
overlooked
by
this
amendment.
Itself.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah,,
as
as
chris
mentioned.
and
and
as
I
think
we
mentioned
to
planning
board
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
during
our
information.
Update,
we've
been
working
with
with
an
economic
consultant
to
do
some
market
research
around
the
area
and
we
do
have
representation
from
eps
here
tonight..
So
in
case
there
are
more
detailed
questions.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
on
the
market
dynamics,
we
can..
We
can
certainly
ask
questions
of
them.,
but
I
wanted
to
just
start
with,.
You
know,,
really
kind
of
an
identification
of
what
the
current
sort
of
sub
areas
are
within
within
phase
2
and
kind
of
walk
through
the
characteristics
of
those
and
then
touch
on
what
some
of
the
future
market
dynamics
may
be
before
we
jump
into
the
proposed
amendments.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
What
exists
there
today
is
really
primarily
some
stable
office
and
industrial
technology
types
of
uses..
There's
a
number
of
laboratory
and
bioscience
and
research
uses
in
that
area.
on
balance,.
A
lot
of
a
lot
of
those
uses,
and
a
lot
of
those
tenants
can
actually
afford
higher
rents
than
what
you
might
find
in
a
typical
office
or
industrial
user..
So
we
imagine
that
many
of
those
properties
will
probably
be
stable
for,
for
at
least
the
the
sort
of
near
and
medium
term.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
what
a
redevelopment
project
could
could
potentially
look
like
in
the
future.
that
also,
of
course,
identifies
the
highest
risk
of
of
potential
business
displacement
without
some
additional
sets
of
tools
or
incentives
to
make
sure
that
some
of
those
existing
businesses
could
remain
in
those
areas.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
then
on
the
south,
side.
so
south
of
for
a
parkway,.
What
is
there
today?
Contains,
you
know,,
basically,
several
larger
flex
and
warehousing
type
spaces..
It
is
under
primarily
consolidated
ownership.,
and
so
we
anticipate
that
redevelopment
is
likely
to
occur
in
that
area.
Probably
sooner
than
some
of
the
other
areas.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
then
looking
ahead,
a
couple
of
the
dynamics
around
different
types
of
uses..
So
regarding
retail,,
it's
it's
likely
that
the
demand
for
retail
is
going
to
be
relatively
modest
in
this
area
until
a
larger
number
of
residential
and
units
and
and
residents
would
be,
would
be
there
more
on
a
more
permanent
basis.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
on
the
office
side..
I
think
everybody
probably
agrees
that
there's
a
big
question
mark
in
terms
of
the
more
traditional
kind
of
multi-tenant
office
building
in
the
future
of
that
given
covid
and
the
new
hybrid
environment..
So
thinking
about
smaller,,
more
flexible
spaces
may
actually
increase
longer
term
success
in
terms
of
the
office
market.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
because
of
the
potential
revenue
that
can
be
offered
by
residential
uses
that
could
potentially
offset
some
lower
rents
from
other
uses
on
the
ground
floor..
So
there
is
an
opportunity
there
to
potentially
use
residential
to
offset
some
of
those
lower
revenue
types
of
uses
on
the
ground.
Floor.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
then
finally,
industrial.
really,.
Any
new
industrial
space
is
likely
to
be
more
kind
of
in
the
maker
space
or
non-traditional
types
of
industrial
spaces.,
not
go..
It's
not
going
to
be
the
large
scale
kind
of
warehouse
or
manufacturing
that
we,
you
know,.
We
might
imagine
when
we
think
of
industrial
use.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
to
describe
some
revisions
to
the
place.
type.
section.
It's
page
13.
through
17.
within
the
phase,
2
amendment
itself..
I
would
have
to
double
check
what
pages
that
is
within
the
packet.,
but
this
is
a
description
of
of
those
changes..
Some
of
them
were
were,
quite
frankly,
just..
Some
fixes
to
some
errors
and
omissions
of
things
that
we
had
missed
in
the
original
draft.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
the
other
thing
I
wanna
touch
on
really,
briefly,
as
well,
is
really
the
relationship
of
land
use
and
place
types.
and
and
the
reason
for
this
is,
you
know,
place
types
are
really
kind
of
a
new
newer
invention.
that
was
part
of
originally
part
of
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan
that
we've
carried
that
over
to
use
here,
and
the
amendments
and
the
transit
village
area
plan
and
anticipate,.
You
know,
continuing
to
use
this
framework
as
we
move
forward
with
a
lot
of
our
comprehensive
plan
and
area
plan.
Updates.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
They
also
help
to
guide
eventually,
some
zoning
or
code
updates
that
might
be
necessary
as
part
of
the
adoption
of
an
area
plan,,
and
so
they
they
help
to
really
bridge
the
gap
between
land
use
and
zoning,
so
that
we
can
be
more,.
You
know,
be
more
successful
in
terms
of
understanding
what
zoning
or
code.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
I
would
say
yes,
it
would
continue
to
have
effect.,
because
what
what's
more
likely
to
happen
is
that
the
zoning
would
change
more
on
an
incremental
basis
as
individual
projects
come
online.
and
we
would
wanna
make
sure
that
different
zoning
categories
or
different
zone
districts
would
be
appropriate
within
not
only
the
land
use
category,,
but
also
that
place
type
description.
F
I
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
okay,,
but
any
effect
from
the
place
that
would
still
be
expressed
through
zoning
in
some
way,,
not
okay.,
sounds
good.
and
then
the
second
question
is,,
so
we're
changing.
we're
modifying
somewhat
these
place.
Types.
we've
adopted
these
place
types
from
the
east
border
subcommittee
plan.
as
we
change
the
place
types.
I
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
are
they
also
changing
for
the
east,
boulder
subcommittee,
plan,
or
their
different
place
types
with
similar
names
for
the
2
areas.,
that
that
is
a
great
question.,
and
I'm
really
glad
you
asked
that..
One
of
the
things
that
we
found
ourselves.
in
a
little
bit
of
you,
know,
in
a
corner,
was
that
we
had
originally
applied
a
place
type
that
was
directly
analogous
to
something
that
was
in
the
east,
boulder
subcommittee,
plan,
and
upon
further.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
that
only
applies
to
boulder
junction
only
applies
to
this
area.
within
the
transit
village
area.
Plan,,
the
east
boulder
subcommunity
plan
and
the
place
types
within
that
are
separate
from
this.
there
is,
there
is
one
place
type,
the
neighborhood
to
d
that
is
shared
across
both
of
them,
and
the
description
is,
is
essentially
identical
between
those
2.
but,.
The
application
of
those
is
specific
to
this.
This
particular
area.
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F
F
A
B
B
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
a
substitution
for
zoning..
You
know
that
you
use
form
based
code
to
dictate
the
form
of
the
building,,
but
you
don't
say
what
the
uses
are,
that
it
can
be
any
use
as
long
as
it
meets
the
form,
and,
as
I
understand
it,,
that's
not
how
we
do
it.
in
bolder.,
we
have
kind
of
a
hybrid
where
we
use
form
based
code
to
dictate
the
shape
of
the
building
and
what
it
looks
like
from
the
outside..
But
we
still
also
regulate
the
uses,.
So
we
do
both.,
not
either.
or.
F
J
Karl
guiler,
cob:
laura.,
that's
correct.,
the
form
based
code-
that's
used
in
the
city
of
boulder
is
more
of
a
hybrid..
We
worked
with
a
consultant
that,.
You
know,
had
recommended
that
we
start
adding
architectural
standards
and
things
like
that.
As
the
as
form
based
codes
evolved,
we
felt
that
it
was
still
appropriate
to
apply
the
use
standards
of
the
underlying
zone.,
so
they
still
apply.
A
Sarah
silver,
pb:
okay,
any
other
questions
before
sarah
silver,
pb:
chris
moves,
on.,
kristofer,
johnson,,
cob:,
alright,
chris,.
Take
it
away.
Right?
thank
you.
and
this
slide
may
get
to
some
of
those
those
questions
as
well..
So
we
could
think
about
the
the
land
use
living
at
that
30,000
foot
level,
you
know,,
looking
outside
the
the
window
of
the
airplane.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
as
you
get
down
to
that
5
and
10,000
foot
level,,
you
start
to
see
a
little
bit
more
granularity..
That's
where
the
place
types
really
come
into
play.
and
start
to
describe
in
a
little
bit
more
detail..
What
what
is
it
anticipated
within
that
particular
land
use?
and
there
could
be
multiple,
different
place,
types
that
apply
within
a
single
land,
use.
and
then,
as
you
move
into
zoning,?
That's
really!
When
you
get
to
the
ground
level,!
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
multiple
again,
there's
a
lot
of
overlap,
here.,
so
multiple
different
zone
districts
could
apply
within
different
place
types
and
actually
across
differently
and
uses
as
well.
so
really,.
This
is
just
kind
of
intended
to
show
that
you
know,
by
selecting
1
one
or
the
other
sort
of
place,
type.
there's
still
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
overlap
between
many
of
these
things.
As
we
move
forward.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
so
now
to
get
into,.
You
know.
really
the
heart
of
of
what
is
in
in
the
proposed
amendments.
I'll
start
with
the
land,
use
descriptions,,
and
you
can
see
on
the
screen.
Here.
we've.
The
staff
is
recommending
the
use
of
the
mixed
use,
transit,
oriented
development,
land
use
category
for
the
northern
and
the
southern
areas,
and
then
application
of
mixed
use.
Industrial
across
that
central
section,
along
old
perl.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
You
could
see
some
brief
descriptions
there
as
to
what
those
are,
and
then
a
couple
of
other
notations
of
park,,
urban
or
other,.
That
would
apply
to
the
publicly
owned
lands
that
are
adjacent
to
the
goose
creek,
greenway,
and
then
a
a
very
small
area
of
something
called
open.
Space,
development
rights
or
restrictions..
F
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
mixed
use,
industrial
is
really
to
integrate
diverse
housing,,
commercial
and
retail
options
into
our
existing
industrial
areas
and
offer
a
variety
of
local
services
and
amenities,,
and
then
park,,
urban
or
other,,
which
is
the
other
really
main
land
use.
category
applied
here
is
for
public
lands
that
are
used
for
a
variety
of
active
and
passive
recreation.
F
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
again
calling
out
some
some
key
points
of
the
de
from
the
definitions
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
mutd
consists
predominantly
of
attached
residential
uses..
It
doesn't
mean
it's
exclusively
of
attached
residential
uses.,
whereas
mui
consists
predominantly
of
light.
Industrial
use
on
the
ground
floors
again,
not
exclusively,
but
predominantly,
across
that
larger
area.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
really,
on
balance,,
both
of
these
land
uses
are
very,
very
similar..
It's
just
that
one
of
them
lean
slightly
in
the
direction
of
more
residential
uses,
related
to
transit
and
other
the
other
one
leans
in
the
direction
of
maintaining
and
continuing
to
see
light
industrial
and
service
types
of
uses.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
we
use
that
framework
and
understanding.,
really
the
the
very
subtle
difference
between
those
to
develop,,
then
the
place
type,
categories
that
apply
to
each
one.
so
in
in
our
proposed
amendments
there
are
3
different
place,
types
to
that
would
apply
to
the
nutod
land,
use
category,
and
a
third
one
funky
functional
that
would
apply
to
and
was
really
developed
specifically
for
that
mixed
use.
industrial
underlying
land
use
category.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
then
the
funky
functional,
which
we
had
a
lot..
We
had
a
lot
of
fun,
you
know,,
creating
this
early
thinking
about
what
this
could
be.
and
it's
it's
really
in
response
to
a
lot
of
the
community
feedback
that
we
heard
about
the
goal
of
this
area.
To
be
something
a
bit
different
than
phase
one.,
you
know,
one
of
the
critiques
of
phase.
One
is
that
at
times
it
can
feel.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
a
bit
too
polish
a
bit
too
cold,
a
bit
too
corporate,
so
to
speak.
and
so,.
You
know,
really
trying
to
lean
into
this
opportunity
to
create
something:
that's
more
eclectic,,
more
artsy
and
funky,,
and
provide
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
adaptive.
Reuse
of
some
existing
structures.
F
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
what
I,
what
I
wanna
express
or
just
show
to
you.
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
on
this
slide.,
but
really
it's
intended
to
just
show
the
similarities
between
the
2..
You
can
see
that
the
overall
atvr
range
is
very
similar..
The
open
space
expectations
are
also
very
similar.
F
F
F
F
F
J
J
A
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
ye?,
yes,,
except
ii,
don't
know
if
I
would
classify
it
as
a
total
in
addition,
to.,
because
I
think,
what
what
carl's
referring
to
in
that
form
based
code?
again,,
we're
we're
not
quite
yet
to
the
point
to
where
we
can
exactly
define..
We
haven't
reached
that
point
of
implementation
to
define
exactly
how
this
10
to
20
would
lay
out
across
the
site.,
but
you're
right
in
terms
of.
F
F
F
I
I
H
H
A
A
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
A
F
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,,
cob:
and
so
understanding
sort
of
what?
that
you
know
what
that
would
look
like
the
phase.
One
area
where
the
rail
station
is
is
currently
planned..
A
lot
of
that
area,
of
course,
has
already
been
developed.
and,
and
so
the
space
needs
are,
are
relatively
small
and
and
taken
up
already
through.
Through
development.-
that's
already
occurred.,
so
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
provide
some
of
that
on
the
east
side.
and
the
phase
2
areas,.
We
want
to
be
thinking
ahead
about
that.
F
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
then
finally,
down
in
the
southern
acre
anchor.
there's,,
you
know,
thinking
about
the
the
scale
of
those
land
parcels
that
are
down
there,
and
how
to
how
to
break
that.
Up,
and
really,
offer
an
opportunity
for
even
something
large
enough
to
be
able
to
host
things
like
festivals
and
events..
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
the
other
3,
are
more,.
You
know,
kind
of
secondary
pocket
park,
type
of
locations
that
are
strategically
located
throughout
the
rest
of
this
area.
Again,.
One
of
the
key
you
know,
themes
that
we've
heard
throughout
this
process
is
really,.
How
do
we
introduce
additional
open,
space,,
additional
landscape
and
additional
tree
canopy
into
this.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
area.
and,
as
carl,
was
mentioning
the
form
base
code.
Currently
on
the
phase
one
side,
you
know,,
went
an
additional
step,
and
actually
regulates
where
these
might
occur,,
and
I
think
that
would
be
part
of
the
conversation
moving
forward
into
those
next
steps..
If
we
do
expand
form
based
code
into
this
phase?
2.
area,,
how
do
we
more?
more
directly
regulate?
and
some
of
these
outcomes?
and
actually,
you
know,,
make
them
come
to
a
reality..
So
that
would
be
a
next
step
in
the
process.
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you,
chris..
Can
you
please?
christopher,?
Can
you
please
explain
the
red
shadowing
on
the
map??
What
is
the
what's
the
significance
of
the
red?
okay,?
I
do
have
a
couple
of
other
questions
on
this
slide,
though,.
If
you
don't
mind.
before,
one
of
our
commenters
said,,
it's
not
fair
to
put
2
conceptual
outdoor
spaces
and
a
multi
use
path
through
a
single
property..
Could
you
point
out
which
property
that
is.
F
F
A
kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
I
he'll
probably
cover
it,,
so
I'll
I'll
hold
alright.,
so
yes,.
Moving
on
to
the
next
component
of
the
urban
design,
framework.
one
of
the
critiques.
we've
heard
about
the
phase.
One
area
that
we're
trying
to
learn
from
was
the
requirement
to
have
ground
floor,
commercial
and
retail
activity
really
across
the
entire
area.
and
and.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
really,.
What
we've
learned
is
that
it
would
be
more
valuable
and
I
think,
more
more
successful
to
those
businesses
if,
if
those
retail
commercial
activities
could
be
focused
around
areas
of
future
high
activity.,
so
we've
we've
tried
to
be
really
thoughtful
about
where
those
might
be
in
terms
of
important
road
intersections
or
around
some
of
these
open
space
locations..
How
can
we
be
more
deliberate
in
terms
of
concentrating
that
retail
activity?.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
larger
parcels,
and
also
really
be
aligned
with
some
key
locations,,
particularly
along
this
creek.,
really
intended
to
be
enhanced
urban
spaces,
and
and
not
just
say,.
You
know
something
as
simple
as
a
sidewalk.,
so
really
looking
to
combine
a
variety
of
materials
and
activities
and
amenities
along
these
particular
locations..
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
we..
We
maintain
that
a
lot
of
the
transportation
connections
plan
that
was
already
adopted
within
the
2,007
transit
village
area
plan,,
but
with
some
strategic
updates.,
we've
continued
to
include
a
couple
of
local
road
connections,
and
that
particularly
the
northeastern
area,
to
help
create
a
more
urban
grid.
and
what
is
currently
a
fairly
suburban
type
of
layout..
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
we've
added
and
included
a
number
of
multi-use
path;
connections
to
that
future
rail
station
location
up
there
in
the
north.
and
then
we've
a
proposed
a
bicycle
and
pedestrian
bridge
across
goose
creek..
This
was
originally
identified
as
a
vehicular
connection
from
a
wilderness
place
down
to
old
pearl.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
a
lot
of
the
conversations
with
the
community
and
just
thinking
about
really
the
the
physical
impact
of
a
vehicular,
connection,
and
and
quite
frankly,.
The
cost
and
engineering
of
trying
to
do
that
across
this
group
was
was
fairly
overwhelming..
So
we
worked
with
our
colleagues
and
transportation
to
really
understand
the
the
need
for
that,
and
then
convert
that
to
a
bicycle
and
pedestrian
connection.
Instead.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
also
identified
and
removed
a
number
of
really
costly
and
difficult
underpass
locations.
That
was
in
coordination
with
our
multi
board
working
group
and
the
liaison
from
the
transportation
advisory
board,.
And
then
we
had
a
check
in
with
them
last
monday
to
review
those
recommendations,
and
they
were
in
support
of
that.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
the
proposal.
and
the
connections
plan
is
to
extend
that
multi
use
path
further
south
along
foothills,
parkway,,
and
really
to
look
at
some
intersection
improvements.
That
would
be
really
critical
in
that
location.,
the
the
vehicle
movements
getting
on
to
foothills
and
then
off
the
foothills
on
those
ramps.
F
F
A
A
A
F
F
F
A
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah,,
that's
a
great.,
that's
a
great
question.,
so
I
think
the
what's
what's
challenging
is
that?.
You
know,,
as
we
move
sort
of
down
into
that
level,
further
level
of
detail..
That's
where
that's
where
we
start
to
make
those
refinements.
so
within
neighborhood,
tod,
as
a
as
a
place
type
overall,.
We
have
to
allow
for
retail
at
the
ground.
Floor.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
but
through
that
urban
design
framework,
where
we've
identified
those
activity
nodes.,
that's
where
you
know.
essentially,.
What
we're
saying
is
that
retail
isn't
allowed
use
on
the
ground
floor
within
that
entire
area.
however,.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
concentrated
in
that
activity.
Node
location.,
so
we
have
to.
you
know,.
We
have
to
allow
the
use
to
occur.,
but
then
we
use
other
tools
to
try
to
focus
and
curate
where
those
things
actually
happen..
If
that
makes
sense.
A
A
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
slightly
change
the
character
in
terms
of,.
You
know,,
focusing
that
more
on
the
residential
component
and
and
sort
of
a
purely
kind
of
office
component,
as
opposed
to
the
regional,
to
d,.
That
allows
for
both
of
those
things
as
well,,
but
also
to
introduce
elements
like
lodging
and
hotel
uses,
or.
F
A
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah.,
so
that
decision
is
really,.
I
think,
based
more
on
the.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
goose
creek
is
animated
and
activated
to
the
highest
potential
possible.,
partly
that,.
You
know,
helps
with
safety
issues
and
and
other
things
like
that,,
but
also
makes
a
space
that
it
is
really
a
place
where
people
want
to
be..
So
we
did
want
to
make
sure
that
we
alert,
at
least
allowed
for
the
opportunity.
I
I
I
I
I
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,,
cob:,
commercial,
streets,
and
and
really
the
more
linear
characteristics
of
of
the
pearl
street
mall,
and-
and
I
will
say,
you
know,
pearl
street
is
a
is-
is
an
exception
to
the
rule,
and
in
in
terms
of
pedestrian
malls,
and
how
successful
it
continues
to
be,.
Because
there's
a
number
of
examples
across
the
country
that
that
we're
not
as
successful,
and
and
you
know,
unfortunately,
have
sort
of
failed.
F
F
F
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
We
were
thinking
more
in
terms
of
creating
these
nodes
and
less
of
a
linear,
connection,
knowing,,
though,
that
to
your
point,
this.
This
notion
of
of
a
spine
and
really
kind
of
a
north
south
connecting
rib.
we've
got
the..
We've
got
the
goose,
creek,
greenway,
moving
east
and
west,,
but
moving
north
and
south.
that
creating
that
connection
is
going
to
be
really
important.
and
we
think
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
through
signage
and
wayfinding
and
sort
of
branding.,
and
here
you
kind
of
leave
the
bread,
chrome,
so
to
speak,,
so
that
these
are
space
to
a
point
to
where,.
If
you're
in
one,,
you
can
kinda
see
what's
happening
just
down
the
road
at
that
next
activity,
center.,
and
so
that
might
be
enough
to
make
you
move
through
that
area
and
try
to
make
the
connection
in
that
way,
as
opposed
to.
F
A
F
F
F
K
K
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
well,,
I
would
say,
I
guess,
like
2
2
answers
to
that..
One
is
that
if
it
were
a
site
review,
project,
right,,
there
needs
to
be
consistency
with
local
area
plans
and
the
comprehensive
plan..
So
if
this
was
in
place
and
a
site
review
process
came
through,,
there
would
need
to
be
some
consistency,,
so
there
would
be
a
lever
to
to
be
able
to
to
pull
in
terms
of
that.
F
F
F
A
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
that's
there.
and
then..
I
also
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everybody
kind
of
understood.
and
I
think
I
think
we're
getting
there
through
the
discussion
that
really,.
This
is
the
first
step
in
an
ongoing
process,
as
we
implement
phase
2,
and
that
will
be
coming
back.
yeah,
ideally,
before
the
end
of
this
year,,
with
the
actual
official
changes
to
the
land,
use
map.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob::
what
are
the
zoning
and
regulations?
necessary
to
really
guide
those
outcomes
as
we
move
forward?
and
in
addition,?
What
are
the,?
What
are
the
programming?
opportunities
here
to
support
local
businesses,
mobility?
Options,,
all
those
other
types
of
things.
but
correct.?
That
is
the
end
of
the
presentation.
A
A
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
potential
areas.
outdoor
spaces,
can
you?
just,,
I'm
I'm
sorry,
I'm
feeling
a
little
slow..
You
you
mentioned
earlier
that
the
10
to
20%,
open
space
might
not
be
on
a
per
parcel
basis.,
but
you
might
try
to
concentrate
it
in
these,.
If
I
understood
correctly,
in
these
6
outdoor
spaces,.
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Hella
pannewig
city
attorney's
office:
for
purposes
that
such
as
parkland,
beyond
the
impact
set
a
particular
property
creates.,
but
there
might
be
different
ways
to
get
to
that..
Maybe
there
could
be
consolidated
development,
or
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
create
incentive
structures
in
the
code.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
well,
what
we've
tru,,
what
we've
attempted
to
do,
because,
you
know,
we're
we're
obviously,,
you
know,
in
terms
of
the
the
legal
conversations
around
private
property
rights.,
we're
we're
limited
in
terms
of
what
we
could
do
to
actually
subdivide
individual
parcels..
What
we
did
intend
to
include
were,
you
know,
using
the
transportation
connections
and
pasos,
and
these
other
pedestrian
connections
to
help
break
down
some
larger
sites
into
smaller.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
architectural
design
that
I,
you
know
ii
know
you
would
appreciate
in
terms
of
how
we
design
those
ground
floors
to
be
flexible
and
and
almost
modular
and
in
size,,
so
that
they
could
be
flexible
for
different
types
of
commercial
users,.
Where
you
might
have,
you
know,
have
a
space
that
could
be
broken
down
into
3
different,
smaller.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
tenant
locations,,
but
also
could
be
expanded
to
be
one
larger.
You
know,
one
larger
individual
tenant,
space.,
so
being
able
to
provide
that
flexibility
going
forward.
and
that's
something
we
would
again
look
to
look,
to
include
or
or
try
to
regulate
through
some
of
the
future
zoning
and
design
code.
Updates.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
know
the
market
is
changing
all
the
time.
and
and
again
understanding
that
this
area
is
going
to
evolve
and
change
over.
What
I
would
say
is
a
much
longer
timeframe
than
phase
one..
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
incorporating
as
much
flexibility
over
time
as
possible,,
so
try
not
to,.
You
know.
try
not
to
get
too
restrictive
at
this
moment.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
no,,
along
along
pro
park,
way
they
are.
there
are
at
grade
crossings
on
on
both
the
north
and
south
sides
of
pro
parkway,,
but
in
the
goose
creek,
greenway.
there
is
a
underpass.
that
the
multi
use
path.
Connection
goes
under
the
railroad,
tracks.
actually,,
also
under
a
junction
place
there
and
then
winds
up
and
connects
up
to
that
upper
level
right
at
the
bus,
station.
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Chris
hagelin,
cob:
front
range
passenger
rail
discussions
going
on.,
so
a
wider
regional
discussion
about
it.,
so
we're
seeing
some
movement
on
that.
there's
a
lot
of
meetings,
happening.
and
honestly,.
That
could
happen
before
rtd:
rail
service..
We
may
have
a
peak
hour.
Passenger
rail
via
front
range,
rail,
service.,.
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:,
so
I
was
just
saying,
so
far.
We
have
simone's
needs
hand
raised.,
she
can
go
first,
and
each
member
from
the
public
will
have
3.
Min.
devin
will
pull
up
the
timer,
and
I
just
ask
that
everybody
who
wishes
to
speak.
please
go
ahead
and
and
raise
your
hand,
so
that
we
know
how
many
people
will
be
speaking.
Tonight.
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Simonesmead:
on
pearl
street.,
so
we're
a
flag
lot
that
you
currently
wrap
around.,
go
parallel
to
the
rank,
train,
tracks.
and
then
there's
our
building,
and
then
we're
bounded
by
on
the
back
side.
we're
bounded
by
goose
creek,.
So
we
have
over
600
square
feet
of
bordering
open,
space,,
being
goose
creek,
and
then
we're
bounded
by
the
railroad
tracks
on
the
other
side,
and
then
the
way
some
of
the
futuristic
planning
is
looking
is
like.
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Simonesmead:
there
would
be
a
road
in,
and
then
it
would
end
at
a
at
a
dead
end
at
our
parcel
of
land,,
and
we
feel
super
boxed
in
in
that
configuration.,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
what's
going
on
here
is
is
great
forward.
Thinking.
and
I
wanna
say,
christoffer
is
like
amazing
in
his
ability
to
process
everything.,
but
we.
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Simonesmead:
businesses
operating
there.
additionally,,
we
feel
like
to
fit
in
with
the
plan.
that
the
city
is
proposing..
It
makes
sense
for
us
be
to
be
a
mute
specifically,
or
the
residential,,
and
I
call
it
you
got
that
business
corridor
going
on,
old
pearl?.
What
about
a
residential
corridor?
Bounding,
goose,
creek.,
so
then,?
You
have.
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Simonesmead:
both
sides
of
goose,
creek,,
potentially
bounded
by
the
residents,,
which
then
also
give,
you
know,
eyes
on
the
park,,
so
to
speak,
for
safety
and
security
and
also
create
a
neighborhood
feel
instead
of
having
this
one.
we're
like
an
oddball..
The
odd
doc,
in
this
whole
proposition
of
just
being
tightly
wound
back
there..
So
I
think
those
are.
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Simonesmead:,
I'm
not
gonna
speak
for
anyone
else
at
this
opportunity.,
I'm
just
gonna
say,
for
our
particular
parcel
land,.
If
you
look
at
it.
and
it's
actually,
our
buildings
aren't
even.,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
a
mix
up
or
what.
but
we're
like
super
light.
Grey.,
you
don't
even
see
our
buildings
back
behind.
they're,
like
the
darker
ones,
on
pearl
street.,.
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Simonesmead:,
if
there's
a
possibility
for
us
to
be
mut
at
this
point,,
it
keeps
your
map,
nice
and
clean.,
and
then
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
support
the
residential
corridor
and
park
activity
that
you're
talking
about
along
goose
creek..
So
thank
you,.
Everyone
for
your
time
and
efforts.
appreciate
the
opportunity.
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Daniel
aizenmam:
hi,
thanks,
everybody.
dear,
planning
board
members,.
You
guys
are
convening
today
to
vote
on
the
proposed
land
uses
and
updates
for
the
second
phase
of
the
present
village
area.
Plan..
This
decision
can
be
a
real
positive
one,,
as
it's
the
best
opportunity
within
our
city
to
meet
the
our
immediate
housing
needs
located
within
the
core
of
the
city,
with
proximity
to
mass,,
transit
and
bike
and
pedestrian
connectivity,,
and
in
close
proximity
to
the
existing
infrastructure
and
services.
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Daniel
aizenmam:,
so
we
would
hope
that
that
could
be
added
to
that
place.
Step.,
and
I
just
wanted
to
close
up
by
saying
that
we
support
and
celebrate
the
city
staff
and
their
efforts
on
creating
a
collaborative
environment
with
the
focus
groups..
I
think
it
was
a
successful
effort.,
well
planned,,
well,
attended.
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Daniel
aizenmam:
and
they
listened.,
so
I
just
want
to
commend
the
city
for
their
hard
work,
and
kj.,
and
the
team,
and
chris
and
everybody
else,
and
vivian..
So
we
hope
that
the
planning
board
can
support
these
amendments
and
work
to
towards
the
implementation
plan,,
where
all
the
additional
details
can
be
worked.
Out..
So
thank
you
very
much.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
alright.
just
had
to
find
my
mute,
button.
yes,
and
I'm
double
checking
with
my
development
review
colleagues..
But
generally,
I
believe
that
gyms
are
are
more
of
along
the
lines
of
the
personal
service.
Uses,
and
indoor
recreation
is
really,.
I
think,
intended
to.
refer
to
those
larger
kinds
of
indoor,
climbing,
walls.,
pickle,
ball?,
indoor,
soccer,,
etc.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
to
what
extent
this
would
address
their
particular
needs,,
but
it
seems
like
it
would
be
beneficial,
just
in
terms
of
connectivity,
to
have
at
least
a
small
connection
through
their
probably
it
wouldn't
be
a
fully
signalized
intersection.,
but
maybe
a
writing
right,
now,
or
something
like
that..
Has
that
been
considered?.
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Kristofer
johnson,,
cob:
yeah.,
so
from
a
from
a
vehicular
standpoint
connecting
at
that
location
would
be,
would
be
very
difficult
and
and
and
problematic,,
partly
just
because
of
the
distance
between.
that
you
would
have
a
very,
very
short
distance
between
that
intersection,.
Even
if
it
was
a
right
and
right
app.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
and
the
rail,
the
railroad
location
and
intersection
there.
so
from
a
vehicular
standpoint,.
It
would
be
really
difficult..
We,
we
do,
show
a
multi-use
path,
connection
at
that
particular
location,,
so
that
there
is
a
at
least
a
pedestrian
and
bicycle
connection.
that
would
be
accommodated.
but
from
a
yeah,
from
a
vehicular
standpoint,.
I
think
that
would
be
pretty
challenging.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
ye?
yes,
as
as
envisioned..
You
know
today
this
evening
that
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
be
looking
very
closely
at
in
terms
of
where
where,
and
you
know
where
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
residential
uses
at
the
ground,
floor,
and
and
proximity
to
that
open.
Space.
is
certainly
a
factor
that
we
would,.
We
would
be
supportive
of.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
could
I
ask
staff
to
comment
on
that?
or
the?
Could
you
verify
those
facts?
is
phase
1,
75%
vacant
are
those
spaces
designated
as
light
industrial.?
My
concern
here
is
that
if
we
have
a
75%
vacancy
of
light
industrial
spaces
in
phase
one.,
why
would
we
expect
that
phase?
2
would
be
successful
with
that
corridor
along
old
pearl,
staying
as
light
industrial
on
the
ground,
floor.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah,,
I
can.
I
can
intend
to.
so
ii,
don't
believe
we
have
a
verified
number
of
the
total
amount
of
of
vacancy
from
all
of
the
all
of
the
property
owners
in
that
particular
in
in
the
phase
one
area..
Certainly
it
is
high
and
higher
than
you
know
what
we
would
like
to
see..
I
don't
believe
that
any
of
those
spaces
are
restricted
to
live.
industrial
uses.
however,.
I
think
primarily
many
of
them
are.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
so
that
that
is,,
that
is
one
particular
challenge
associated
with,
with
many
of
those
with
those
spaces
that
we
would
hope
to
address,
going
forward.
and
then,
secondly,,
the
the
phase,
one
area,,
even
though
I
think
most
of
us
feel
like
it's
already
complete,,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
actually
still
under
construction,
and
many
of
those
residential
homes
are
are
not
yet
occupied
and
then,.
Obviously,
with
with
the
pandemic
and
a
lot
of.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
know,
changes
to
hybrid
work
policy
and
the
the
occupancy
of
those
office
locations.
in
phase
one
is
is,
you
know,
severely
lower
than
than
what
normally
would
have
been
expected..
So
the
number
of
people
in
that
particular
phase,
one
area
is
certainly
lower
than
we
would
have
been
originally
anticipated,,
and
I
think
that
is
also
having
a
market
effect..
You
know,
on
the
the
viability
of
businesses
in
that
area.
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Mark
mcintyre,
pb::
I
think
that
we
tend,,
especially
in
boulder,,
to
try
to
plan
with
a
very
finely
pointed
pen
like
we're,,
you
know,
detailing
things.,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
a
little
bit
of
hubris,
not
on
any
staff
members.,
just
it's
human
to
say,
well,.
This
is
this
is
what
I
want
to
plan.
and
so
in
in
getting
to
the
answer
to
the
question.
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mcintyre,
pb:-
and
I
just
also
want
to
remind
all
of
us
that
you
know
we're
very
much
focused
on
phase
one
versus
phase
2.
and
this
side
of
the
tracks
to
to
a
pedestrian,
to
a
user,
to
a
resident..
There's
no
phase,
one
and
phase
2.,
it's
like,
oh,,
it's
on
the
other
side
of
the
tracks.
oh,.
It's
a
block
over
at
whole
foods.
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Mark
mcintyre,
pb:,
we
are
possibly
saying,
okay,,
we're
gonna
correct
for
this
mistake
in
phase,,
one
by
doing
something
else
in
phase
2.
when
in
fact,
it
all
may
just
work
out
to
be
one
nice,,
big,,
really
nice,
big
neighborhood
when
it's
all
worked,
out.
and-
and
it
might
work
out
really
well
in
ways
that
we
don't
anticipate.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:.
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
area
overall
feels
appropriate.
you
know,
like
back
to
the
light
industrial..
It
makes
sense
to
me
that
the
commercial
is
kind
of
sitting
there
empty.
and
I'm
like,
okay,
well,
you
know,
or
really
short
of
his
housing,.
It
sure
be
nice
if
we
could
just
like
turn
that
back
into
some
housing.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:,
which
I
feel
the
same
way
about
downtown,,
and
I
know
not
all
those
buildings
are
appropriate
for
adaptive
reuse,,
but
still
you
know,
or
vice
versa,,
you
know..
It
turns
out
that.
oh,,
you
know
what
you
know.,
it's
we're
not
using
it
for
that..
We
just
want
to
be
a
big,
open,
warehouse,
type.,
space,
and
people
are
gonna,
use
it
to
do
some
light
manufacturing..
I
know
that's,
probably
not
gonna
happen.,
but
ii.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
can
get
kristofer
johnson,,
cob:,
quite
frankly,
taller
buildings
there
to
help
bring
the
scale
of
the
width
of
that
right
of
way
down
a
little
bit,
and
ideally
start
to
in
incorporate
some
additional
kind
of
visual
friction,,
as
it
sometimes
is,
called,,
which
I
know
doesn't
sound
like
much,,
but
basically
try
to
get
people
to
slow
down
a
little
bit
when
you've
got
buildings
that
are
right
up.
You
know,
to
the
street
and
things
like
that.
so
really,.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
a
lot
of
those
businesses
face
actually
on
to
pearl
parkway..
Currently,
they
kind
of
are
access
from
the
from
the
rear
right
now,,
so
that
access
would
likely
change
as
part
of
you
know,,
a
future
redevelopment
that
would
come
in
off
of
off
of
frontier,
or
perhaps
off
of
pearl
from
the
backside.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
ii
think
the
flexibility
absolutely
is
important.,
we've
seen
through
the
pandemic
that
things
change,
and
very
rapidly,,
and
we
don't
know
what's
coming
down
the
bike.
and
so
having
the
the
greatest
flex.
Flexibility
for
land
uses,
I
think,
is
important.,
I'm
also
a
little
skeptical..
The
the.
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I
I
I
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Sarah
silver,
pb:,
so
at
this
point
I'm
gonna
do
a
thumbs
up,
thumbs
down
because
we
seem
to
be
3
3.,
I'm
sorry,
large.,
let
me.
at
this
point.
We
have
a
sense,
and
people
can
change
what
they
were
gonna
do
when
from
when
they
first
talked..
But
I
have
a
question
for
staff
can,.
If
you
don't
mind,
before
we
go
to
the
thumbs,
up,
thumbs,
down.
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B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
the
middle
laura
kaplan,
pb:,
which
seems
to
imply
kind
of
a
linearity.,
and
when
we
talk
about
old
perl,,
we
talk
about
wanting
it
to
be
sort
of
like
funky
and
fun,,
and
a
pedestrian
district.
and
people
can
kind
of
it's
very
activated..
It's
very
lively..
It's
very
artsy..
It's
it's
eclectic,!
It's
cool.
B
B
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
the
other
map
that
you've
given
us
with
those
activity
nodes
that
feels
like
a
very
different
vision
than
kind
of
a
linear
activated
district
along
old
perl.
and
I,
just,.
I'm
really
struggling
with
how
those
houses
actually
gonna
look
on
the
ground.
are
we?.
Are
we
expecting
kind
of
a
linear
activated
district
along
old
pearl.
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F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
created
through
that
designation,
along
or
perl,
wouldn't
necessarily
be
totally
focused
on
the
retail
aspect
of
it..
It
would
be
more
of
the
you
know,
more
of
the
maker
space,,
more
of
the
light
industrial
or
manufacturing
types
of
uses,
and
and
you
know,
a
bit
more
diversity,.
I
think,
in
terms
of
what
those
what
those
could
be.
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Mark
mcintyre,
pb:
occurs
kind
of
organically.,
and,
and
that
is
where
people
are
coming
together.
and
I
think
that
the
failure
in
phase
one
we
certainly
can
attribute
partly
to
business,
conditions,,
covid,
etc.,
and
and
maybe
that
will
all
correct
itself
someday..
And
so
when
ii,
while
talking,
we've
been
discussing,,
I've
been
looking
at
the
little
graphic
and
the
revised
graphic
and.
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F
B
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
this..
You
know
that
at
least
how
I
experienced
it
in
the
east.
Boulder
subcommunity
planning
process
was
that
zoning
is
kind
of
not
specific
enough,
right?,
like
zoning
just
tells
you
we
want
residential.,
we
want
commercial.,
we
want
mixed
use.,
but
it
doesn't
have
this
level
of
detail
of
first
floor
uses..
We
want
these
specific
things
like
this
place.
Types,
diagram
gets
much
more
specific
about
allowable
uses.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
and
maybe
that
that
lives
in
different
places,,
maybe
that
lives
in
zoning
and
the
use
tables
and
other
things..
But
I
think
that
the
place
types
is
just
a
really
good
for
me.
clarifying
tool.
of
what
kinds
of
things
can
we
expect
on
the
ground
floors
and
above
in
these
different
districts.,
so
ii
like
the
place
types
and
to
answer
the
question,,
I
support
the
revisions
to
the
place
type..
It
sounds
like
those
were
really
good.
Cleanups.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
thanks.
yeah..
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
has
been
said,,
including
eml's
point,,
which
I
think
is
somewhat
similar
to
what
I
was
getting
at
with
with
trying
to
define
better
where
the
activity
areas
are
going
to
be.
and-
and
I
realize
we
can't.,
we
shouldn't
over
define
it.
but
but
being
more,
a
little
bit
more
specific.
I
I
I
I
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Sarah
silver,
pb:
so
that
sarah
silver,
pb:,
because
that's
not
defined
at
sarah
silver,
pb:,
it's
the
assumption-
is
sarah
silver,
pb:
that
that'll
get
worked
out
in
the
in
the
next
phases,
and
it
probably
will.,
but
we
have
an
opportunity
to
at
least
articulate
a
recommendation..
It's
it's
not
binding..
It's
a
recommendation.
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B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
can
I
just
ask
staff
to
respond
to
that
about
whether
place
types
would
be
an
appropriate
tool
from
from
just
an
administrative
perspective,
to
do
what
ml.
is
talking
about
like
I
support
what
ml.
is
talking
about
in
terms
of
trying
to
define
better
those
spaces,,
and
I
would
love
to
have
staff's
opinion
on
whether
place
types
is
the
right
tool
to
use
for
that.
F
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:.
I
would
get
a
little
bit
nervous
about
using
the
place
type
as
as
the
as
the
actual
tool
that
we
use.
but
ii,
absolutely
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
to
define
and
create
better
specificity
about
those
activity,
nodes
and
the
kinds
of
things
we
would
expect
to
see.
There.
and-
and
certainly
we
would
be..
We
would
be
open
to
exploring
that
as
part
of
a
future
step..
If
that
is
what
is
recommended.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
ii
don't
have
a
position
on
sarah.
what
you
said
about
office
on
above
in
neighborhood
to
d,
or
the
position
of
neighborhood
to
d
at
this
time..
But
I
would
like
to
give
staff
an
opportunity
to
explain
what
their
rationale
was.
just
that
we're
working
from
that
base
of
information..
Why
was
neighborhood
tod
located
in
that
upper
right,?
You
know,
northeast
corner.,
and
why
is
office
space
included
on
the
upper
floors
and
neighborhood?
to
d.
what's
the
vision,
there?.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
yeah.
sure,,
the
neighborhood
to
d
that's
described
is,
is
is
replicated
from
the
east
boulder
subcommittee
plan.,
so
it's
it
is
intended
to
allow
for
an
evolution
of
what
is
currently
very
much
an
office.
heavy
location.
So
pretty
much
that
whole
entire
northern
area
is
a
is
a
mixture
of
different
office
type
of
tenants
or
you,
know,
tech,
office,,
that
that
type
of
thing.
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Mark
mcintyre,
pb:,
I
don't
think
there's
not
a
a
a
huge
demand.
there's,
there's
hundreds
of
thousands
of
square
feet
in
phase,
1
s
floor
office.
That
is
now
readily
available.,
and
so
I
I'm.
I
just
think
the
market
will
take
care
of
that
versus
our
place.
Type
making..
But
I
do.-
and
I
do
agree
with.
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B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
there's
a
difference
between
saying,
laura
kaplan,
pb:.
We
move
to
adopt
this
plan
with
the
following
conditions
versus
we
move
to
adopt
this
plan
as
it's
written,
and
we
make
the
following
recommendations,,
which
is
different
than
a
condition,
right?
because,.
As
I
understand
it,,
and
we
had
this
discussion
with
east
boulder,
subcommunity,
plan,
city,
council
and
planning
board
have
to
adopt
the
same
thing
right?,
and
so,
if
we
put
3
conditions
on
this.
B
Laura
kaplan,,
pb:
and
city
council
doesn't
agree
with
our
3
conditions.,
then
we're
in
this
back
and
forth,
which
takes
time.
and
ii.
Don't
know
that
we
feel
strongly
enough
about
it
that
we
want
to
hold
up
the
plan
adoption..
If
city
council
doesn't
agree
with
our
recommendations,,
so
is
it
possible
for
us
to
adopt
the
plan?
anything
that
we
feel
is
a
deal
breaker
make
it
a
condition.
and
anything
that
we
just
wanna
make
as
a
recommendation,?
We
don't
make
it
a
condition..
We
just
make
it
a
recommendation
to
consider.
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B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
okay,
can
I
make
a
recommendation
that
instead
of
trying
to
lump
everything
into
one
motion
that
all
well,
but
but
I'm
saying
is,
the
way
your
motion
is
written.?
Now,
sarah,,
you
have
the
mui
land
use
the
eliminating
the
office
above
the
ground
floor
and
slightly
shifting
the
neighborhood
to
d
to
the
west,,
all
chained
together.
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B
If
it
is
a
good
idea.,
laura
kaplan,
pb:,
so
one
idea
that
was
raised
by
a
member
of
the
public
was
trying
to
get
a
higher
percentage
of
permanently
affordable
housing
built
in
this
area..
And
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
mechanisms
to
do
that.,
given
the
way
our
inclusionary
housing
works,
and
how
we
work
with
our
partners.
When
we
spend
our
inclusionary
housing
money
like,.
Are
there
any
opportunities
to
try
to
spend
some
of
our
inclusionary
housing
money
in
this
area.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
yeah,
ii
do
think
that
that
is
is
something
that
we
would
look
into
in
much
more
detail
and
a
later
step.
it.
you're
you're
correct
that
these
are
all
privately
owned,
parcels.
they're,
not
sitting
on
parcels.,
so
we
have
limited
ability
to
partner
with.
you
know,,
boulder
housing
partners
or
another
affordable
housing
developer
in
order
to
create
something
that
was
more.
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
gotcha.
okay?.
I
think
that
is
the
idea
is
to
for
the
city
to
try
to
spend
some
of
its
money
in
this
area
to
purchase
some
properties
and
put
some
affordable
housing
here..
But
I
recognize
that's,
probably
not
land
use
planning.,
that's
how
you
spend
your
money
and
buy
things
and
make
them
happen.,
but
I
do
think
that's
a
good
vision
that
we
should
work
towards,,
because
we,
it
would
be
great
to
have
more
affordable
housing
in
this
part
of
town
that
maybe
private
developers
are
not
gonna,
provide
necessarily
on
site.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
vision
for
the
entire
area,,
both
phase
one
and
phase
2
speaks
to
you,
know,
energy,
conservation
and
sustainability,,
and
a
number
of
environmental
and
climate
related
aspects..
So
certainly
that's
already,.
You
know,
baked
into
the
idea
that
we
would
be
considering
that
going.
Forward.
F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
you
know
some
of
the
larger
kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
infrastructure,,
wide
kind
of
ideas
of
micro
grids
or
district
heating
and
cooling,
and
other
things
like
that..
Certainly
we
can
look
into
that..
I
do
think
it
might
be
a
little
bit
challenging.,
given
again
the
individual
property,
ownership,
nature
of
this
and
that..
It's
not
a
larger.
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B
B
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:,
I
would
have
to
confirm
with,
you
know,
some
of
the
development
review
team
to
understand
if
anybody
actually
took
advantage
of
that
of
that
height
increase
via
that
particular
mechanism..
I
know
that
the
form
based
code
includes,,
you
know,
allowances
for
height
limits
up
to.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
at
at
this
point
we
haven't,
just
because
we
haven't
started
that
phase
of
the
process,,
but
but
certainly
we
would
look
to,.
You
know
we
would
look
at
phase
one
as
a
as
a
guide
to
understand
what
was
included..
As
far
as
the
zoning
strategy
there
and
under.
understand
what
was
successful,,
what
wasn't,
and
and
transfer
over
things
that
we
felt
like,
we're
going
to
be.
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Hella
pannewig
city,
attorney's
office:
that
you'd
be
very
specific.
and
what
that
is
because
you,
you
are
an
adopting
body.
so,
for
example,
the
the
language
that
you
proposed
sarah,,
I
think.
First,
you
said
delete.
office
uses
from
what's
a
lot
above
ground
floor..
That's
very
clear,
cause
that's
a
specific
place
in
the
plan.
and
then
you
suggest
slightly.
M
B
A
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
oh,
yeah,
that
would
be
fine,.
I
said,
relocating
the
neighborhood
to
d
land
use
to
the
area
between
the
vns
of
real
tracks
and
williams,
place,,
which
you
know,
will..
This
place
doesn't
extend
all
the
way
down
to
goose
creek,,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
ill-defined,,
but
we
could
potentially
define
it
in
terms
of.
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F
Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
there
there
is
one
larger
parcel,
that
where
the
dotted
white
line
is
coming
south
from
center
green
court,
that's
a
flexible
alignment
for
a
local
road,
and
that
parcel
that
connects
them
to
the
cul-de-sac.
There,
coming
off
a
will
or
this
place..
That's
that's
one
single
parcel.,
so
we
would
have
to.
just.
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Kristofer
johnson,
cob:
actual
place
type,,
which
is
the
interstitial
spaces.,
but
I'm
hearing
you
say
that
that
is
not
the
correct
mechanism.
did
I
understand
you,
correctly?
yes,
you're,
you're
correct..
I
think
your
your
motion
would
would
really
be
a
recommendation
for
future
steps
to
really
to
really
detail
out
and
dive
into
this
notion
of
the
interstitial
spaces
and
creating
some
better
definition
around
those.
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B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
so
can
we
come
back
to
that
one?
I
would
totally
support
making
like.
I
think,
it's
great
to
make
a
recommendation
to
say
in
the
future.
We
would
like
to
see
better
articulation
around
this.
This
and
this,
you
know,
around
affordable
housing,
around,
you
know,.
Whatever
we
want
to
be
visionary
about,,
I
think
we
can
make
a
recommendation
for
that
for
future
steps.
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B
Sarah
silver,
pb:
ii
think
we
would..
I
think
the
procedure
will
be..
We
would
go
ahead
and
adopt
the
main
motion
with
the
amendments
that
have
been
approved,
and
then
this
would
be
a
separate
motion
to
say,
in
the
event
that
city
council
does
not
take..
Sorry.
ii
meant
the
second
bullet
point
in
your
motion,,
which
is.
A
B
A
A
B
A
A
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb::
let's,
let's
do
this
one,,
because
it's
kind
of
changed
to
the
last
one,
and
then
we'll
talk
about
motions
for
the
future..
If,
if,
if
folks
agree
with
that
order.,
I
move
that,
in
the
event
that
city
council
does
not
adopt
one
or
more
of
planning,
boards.
august
20..
Second
amendments.
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C
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B
B
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B
B
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B
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A
K
Mark
mcintyre,
pb:,
I'm
I'm
sorry.,
do
I
took
one
of
that
staff.
Do
we
need?
there's
a
second
motion
to
adopt
the
proposed
amendments
to
chapter
5
of
the
boulder
valley,
comprehensive
plan
to
revise
the
summary
of
the
transit
village
area,
plan.
ii?
Believe
we
still
need
to
make
that
motion,?
Do
we
not?
I??
Second
mark,?
Did
you
make
the
motion?
I
just
yes,
we'll
count
that
as
me,
making
the
motion,
since
I
just
read
it.
I
second.
A
A
A
A
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Sarah
silver,
pb:,
I
think
you
should
make
a
motion.
the
rules
state
that
no
new
item
can
be
taken
on,,
I
believe,
at
10,
and
it's
not
quite
10
yet,,
but
I
think
your
goal
is
to
close
the
meeting..
So
my
goal
is
to
take
a
vote
on
whether
the
majority
of
the
board
is
prepared
to
adjourn
later
than
1030..
That
is
my
goal.
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
well,
ii
would
like
to
say
that
if
there
are
4
of
us
who
are
willing
to
take
up
this
item,,
that
is
a
quorum..
So
if
there
are
4
of
us
who
are
willing
to
take
this
up
and
see
it
through,,
we
we
could
do
that,
and
I
heard
mark
and
ml.
and
I,
or
sorry
mark
and
kurt,
and
I
are
willing
to
do
that.
ml,.
I
don't
know
if
you
are
willing
to
stay
or
not..
A
Sarah
silver,
pb:,
whether
they're
willing
to
go
past
1030,
and
it
was
3
3
in.
in
a
case
of
a
tie-
is
the
denial
of
the
motion..
I
understand
the
procedure,,
but
I
think
that
it's
a
different
question
to
say,
ml,.
Are
you
willing
to
say,,
even
if
others
are
not?
and
if
the
answer
is
no,,
then
we
don't
have
a
quorum.
B
M
C
C
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
I
think
it's
up
to
each
individual
member
of
the
board
what
they
want
to
do.,
but
I
think
it's
a
major
staff
quality
of
life
issue..
I
think
it's
a
recruitment
for
the
board
issue..
I
think
it's
an
equity
issue
for
members
of
our
community
when
we
choose
to
continue
meetings
after.
C
Pb,
lisa
smith:
1010,
30
at
night,
because
it
really
restricts
the
ability
of
the
public
to
be
here,
and
it's
ii.
Don't
think
it's
a
pay
to
keep
staff
at
multiple
late
night
meetings.,
especially
on
a
tuesday,
when
they
also
have
to
be
prepping
for
a
thursday
council,
meeting,
and
so
on..
So
I'll
just
speak
strongly
to
that
that
I
you
know,
we
we
either
need
to
run
more
tightly
and
cleanly,
or,.
You
know,
figure
out
other
ways
to
manage
ourselves.
but
ii,
just.
C
L
L
L
O
O
Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):,
but
we
are
on
a
pretty
tight
schedule..
If
this
is
a
city
council
priority
project
to
brad's
point,,
we
serve
at
the
you
know,
the
pleasure
of
the
board,,
and
you
know
we
have
to
advance
our
our
business
and
the
items
that
come
before
us..
So
if
there's
a
willingness
to
you
know,
completed
tonight.,
then
carl-
and
I
are
here
for
the
duration.
O
B
Laura
kaplan,
pb:
we
we
have
also
sometimes
discussed
the
option
to
go
ahead
with
the
presentation
and
the
public
comment,
and
then
defer
the
discussion
to
another
meeting..
That's
true.!
If
you
guys
feel
like
you,
can
retain
the
complexity
of
the
information,
and
we
don't
have
to
do
the
presentation
again
in
3
weeks.,
because
that's
typically
what
happens
when
we
do
that.
O
Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):
is
that
there's
another
iteration
of
the
presentation
that
that
we
have
to
give.
so
ii
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
respectful
of
staff
time.
If,
if
we
do
that,
that
there
won't
be
another
presentation,
and
that
the
board
will
be
able
to
make
sure
that
they're
prepared
for
deliberations.
D
Ml
robles,
pb:.
If
we
choose
to
keep
the
meeting
going.
hella,,
do
we
need
a
chair
and
vice
chair
to
keep
them.
there's,
not
an
implication.
I
know
they
they've
said
as
much.
The
rule
I
think
maybe
you're
seeking
is
what
happens
when
there's
not
a
chair
and
vice
chair,,
there's
a
provision,
or
there
to
be
a
vote
among
the
folks
who
are
present..
This
is
true
for
any
meeting
where
they,
you
know,
may
not
be
present,,
for
whatever
reasons.
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M
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L
M
Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):,
you
know,,
after
considering
all
of
the
options
and
and
looking
at
which
ones
could
be,
we
noticed,
and
so
forth,.
I
would
like
to
consider
some
load
balancing,,
if
possible,
cause.
We
have
staff
member.
wait
last
week
for
an
item
to
be
continued,
and
it
wasn't
continued
until
about
100'clock.
and
then,
similarly,.
This
evening.
carl,
you
know,,
was
waiting
in
the
wing..
So
what
I
don't
want
to
happen
is.
O
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Brad
mueller,
cob:
ii
appreciate.
I
appreciate
everybody's
thinking
really
hard
about
this
in
terms
of
our
consideration
at
this
point,,
but
really
we
can
make
any
of
those
either
moving
it
to
that
night,
and
then
recommending
to
continue
again,
or
just
not
moving
it
to
the
20
ninth,,
and
then
we
repost
it
for
subsequent
date.