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sarah
silver:
regulations
that
the
pb,
sarah
silver:
code
of
conduct.
vivian,
castro-wooldridge,,
cob:
yeah,,
that's
good
term.
thank
you.,
first
of
all,,
everyone
from
the
public
for
joining
us
today,,
and
we
really
appreciate
taking
your
time
to
to
be
with
us
tonight
at
the
planning
board.
Meeting.
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
and
the
vision
is
really
designed
to
promote
free
conversation
and
dialogue,,
while
also
recognizing,.
We
want
to
make
sure
everyone
participates,
feel
safe
and
welcome,,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
make
space
for
different
viewpoints
in
our
meetings,,
because
we
believe
it
leads
to
more
informed
decision
making.
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
next
slide:
vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
a
lot
of
information
on
our
website
about
the
productive,
atmosphere's
vision.,
but
I'll
be
specific
about
what
we
need
to
know
for
tonight..
There
are
a
number
of
rules
of
decorum
in
the
boulder
revised
code,
and
we
have
some
general
guidelines
that
are
advisory.
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Vivian
castro-wooldridge,
cob:
in
nature
to
share
with
all
of
our
participants.
this
evening.
We
ask
that
all
remarks
and
testimony
raised
tonight
be
related
to
city
business..
We
will
not
allow
any
participant
to
make
threats
to
use
any
other
forms
of
intimidation
against
any
person
in
this
session.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
alright.
good
evening.
planning
board
members.
nice
to
see
you
all
again.,
I'm
excited
to
bring
forth
the
file
ordinance
for
the
use
table
and
standards.
project.
This
is
number
4
or
5.
Of,
says
the
third
module,,
the
second
phase,
and
so
we'll
be
looking
at
ordinance.
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90
related
to
neighborhood,
centers
tonight.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
an
overview
of
the
presentation
that
I'll
be
giving
tonight.
since
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
use
table,.
But
it's
been
a
while.
I'll,
give
a
quick
background,
refresher
on
the
kind
of
the
goals
of
the
project,
things
like
that,
and
then
we'll
dive
into
module
3.,
which
is
this
ordinance
before
you
tonight.
I'll
talk
about
the
focus.
Scope,
give
an
overview
of
past
input
related
to
this
topic,
and
then
give
a
summary
of
the
engagement
that
we've
heard
this
summer..
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Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
a
reminder
that
this
project
is
really
narrowly
focused
on
changes
to
the
use
table
and
standards.
part
of
the
the
land
use
code,
so
doesn't
include
a
reassessment
of
the
comprehensive
plan
policies..
It's
really
intended
to
implement
those
comprehensive
plan
policies
that
are
the
result
of
many
years
of
conversations
and
community
engagement.
that
got
us
to
an
adopted,
comprehensive
plan
that
we
are
trying
to
implement
through
these
code.
Changes.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
as
I
already
alluded
to,.
This
project
has
been
going
on
for
quite
a
while..
It
was
actually
initiated
by
the
planning
board
in
2,018
and
identified
as
a
priority.
Project.
we
completed
phase
one
of
the
project
in
2,019..
It
had
to
be.
pause
briefly
during
the
covid-19
pandemic,,
and
we've
been
working
on
phase
2
in
2022
and
2023.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
phase
2,
as
you
know,,
was
split
into
what
we
called
3
different
modules.,
so
the
first
one
was
adopted
in
june
of
last
year..
That
was
our
functional
fixes,
module
one
that
was
really
the
technical
update,.
The
reorganization
and
consolidation,
trying
to
make
everything
a
little
bit
easier
to
read
the
table
easier
to
navigate.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so,
like
I
said,,
this
is
the
final
module
of
the
use
table
and
standards
project..
So
you
might
remember
the
last
time
we
talked
about
it.
The
scope
hadn't
been
really
nailed
down
for
what
we
would
do
with
module
3..
There
was
some
talk
about
whether
we
would
be
looking
at
residential,
introducing
new
non
residential
uses
into
residential
zoning
districts.
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Lisa
houde,,
cob:
and
based
on
conversations
we
had
with
planning
board
city
council,,
our
working
group
and
really
just
thinking
through
the
kind
of
upcoming,
planning
work.
That's
going
to
be
done..
We
decided
to
focus
module
3,
really,
on
the
neighborhood
centers,
which
I
are
identified,
areas
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
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D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
this
narrow
scope
of
this
project
really
only
being
about
use
table,.
It
would
really
benefit
to
have
a
broader
conversation
about
things
like
form
and
development
standards
and
things
like
that.
in
the
context
of
talking
about
introducing
non
residential
uses
into
residential
zoning..
So
based
on
the
input
and
the
analysis
and
kind
of
thinking
that
the
the
conference
of
plan
update
will
be
coming
soon.,
we
decided
to
focus
these
changes
on
those
neighborhood
centers.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
module
3
focuses
on
like
we
said,
with
the
goals
of
the
initial
project,
removing
the
barriers
in
the
code
for
uses
that
people
want
to
have
nearby
in
the
neighborhood
centers.
and
that
way
we're
supporting
the
15
min
neighborhood
concept,,
which
it
really
means
that
people
have
access
to
the
services
that
they
need
on
a
daily
basis
by
walking,,
biking,
or
transit.
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Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so,
as
you
saw
in
the
memo,
the
changes
in
the
ordinance
really
kind
of
break
down
into
3
main
topics..
The
first
is
restaurants,.
Second
is
duplexes
and
townhomes,.
Then
the
third
is
kind
of
a
miscellaneous
catch-all
for
some
other
identified
changes
that
can
help
support
walkable
neighborhoods.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
a
reminder
on
the
neighborhood
center
concept.
in
the
conference
of
plan.
This
is
a
map
from
the
comprehensive
plan..
It
identifies
12
different
areas
of
the
city
that
our
neighborhood
centers..
You
can
see:
they're
spread
out,
geographically.,
there's
all
different
types
from
a
kind
of
audio
oriented
shopping
center
to
historic,
neighborhood,
areas,,
commercial
areas..
So
all
types
and
flavors
of
neighborhood
centers
that
we're
focusing
on
with
these
conference
of
plan
policies
and
the
the
interesting
part.
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D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
are
actually
present
in
those
neighborhood
centers..
So
when
you
look
at
it
this
way,
it
allowed
us
to
narrow
the
folk,.
The
the
the
focus
of
these
changes
to
basically
3
classes
of
zoning
districts..
Our
business
districts
are
downtown
districts
in
our
mixed
usage
districts,,
so
that
became
the
focus
of
the
module
module.
3
changes.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
there
are
2
main
policies
in
the
comprehensive
plan
that
we've
really
been
focusing
on
implementing
with
these
changes..
The
first
is
this
one
related
to
neighborhood
centers..
You
might
remember
that
when
we
looked
at
meet
module
2,
there
was
very
similar
looking
page
for
industrial
areas.,
so
that
we
have
these
specific
guiding
principles
and
policies
for
neighborhood
centers,,
and
it
really
boils
down
to
the
city,
encouraging
neighborhood
centers.
D
Lisa
houde,,
cob:
and
specifically,.
The
guiding
principles
are
meeting
the
everyday
needs
of
neighboring
communities..
So
that's
having
a
like
a
mix
of
locally
serving
retail
other
activities,
personal
services,,
grocery
stores,
retail
things
like
that.
and
then
also
ensuring
that
there's
an
appropriate
scale
transition
in
regards
to
housing.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
the
other
main
policy
that
we've
been
looking
at
is
2.2
4.,
this
commitment
to
a
walkable
and
accessible
city.,
and
that's
where
the
15
min
neighborhoods
concept
comes
in..
So
this
policy
says
that
the
city
should
be
designing
neighborhoods
and
makes
use
business
areas
that
provide
easy
and
safe
access
by
foot
bike
and
transit
to
places
like
neighborhood
centers.
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D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
alright..
Now
I
will
go
through
a
quick
overview
of
the
public
input
that
we've
heard
previously
on
the
project..
You
all
have
seen.
I've
presented
this
before,,
so
I
won't
go
into
too
much
detail,,
but
just
a
reminder
that
the
topics
and
that
relate
to
module.
3
have
really
been
integrated
into
all
of
the
public
engagement
for
the
use
table.
Project.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
we've
really
heard
from
people
throughout
the
entire
project.,
so
we
had
in
person
engagement.
back
in
2,019.
We
had
virtual
engagement
during
the
pandemic
in
2,020,.
All
of
the
the
virtual
engagement
in
2,020,
actually,
specifically
was
about
neighborhood
center..
So
we've
got
a
lot
of
great
information.
and
input.
That's
helped
to
guide
the
project.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
that
earlier
input,.
What
we
heard
from
people
was
that
they'd
like
to
see
more
mixed.
use,
housing,
neighborhood
scale,
stores,
restaurant
shops
and
retail
transit,
green
space,
coffee
things
like
that.
and
then
less
traffic,
banks,
car,
dealerships,
kind
of
vehicle,,
related
things,,
fast
food
and
drive
throughs.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
then
I
mentioned
that
we
had
a
question
here
specifically
about
neighborhood
centers.,
so
we
asked
if
people
were
open
to
a
greater
mix
of
uses
in
the
neighborhood
centers
heard
significant
support
from
respondents
there
that
there
was
broad
support
for
restaurants
and
coffee,
shops,
retail
uses
and
personal
services
in
the
neighborhood
centers
in
regards
to
residential
people
were
open
to
a
mix
of
housing
types
being
located
there
and
then..
Most
important
was
the
walkable
or
bike
access
and
the
design
of
the
buildings.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
that's
just
a
brief
overview
of
the
past.
input.
In
your
memo
there
was
links
to
more
detailed
input..
If
you'd
like
to
look
at
that
now
I'll
go
into
the
engagement.
We've
been
doing
this
summer..
So
once
we
completed
module
2,,
we
kicked
off
module
3
in
the
spring,
and
then
we've
been
focused
on
community
engagement
throughout
this
summer.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
this
time,,
because
the
last
round
of
input
or
the
the
rounds
of
input
over
the
previous
years,
we're
pretty
general
about..
What
would
you
like
to
see??
What
would
you
not
like
to
see
things
like
that?
This
time,
around?,
we
wanted
to
present
specific
changes
for
people
to
react
to.,
so
we
took
what
we
heard
from
the
planning
board
subcommittee,
the
first
round
of
the
planning
board
subcommittee,,
who
went
line
by
line,
row
by
row,
column
by
column,
and
created
a
long
list
of
recommendations
and
focus
areas
for
the
project.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we
went
through
those
changes
stacked
in
our
own
analysis.,
and
then
we
took
all
of
that
previous
input..
To
create
this
initial
set
of
here
are
some
proposed,
some
possible
opportunities
to
improve
the
walkability
of
neighborhoods
around
neighborhood,
centers,
and
I'll
go
into
each
one
of
these
on
further
slides,,
but
just
wanted
to
kind
of
highlight
the
changes
that
were
shown
to
the
public.
This
summer.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
what
we
did
for
our
community
engagement
strategy,,
we
developed
a
virtual
story
map..
It's
kind
of
a
newer
engagement
tool
that
the
city
hasn't
used
very
often
yet.,
but
I
think
I
sent
you
all
should
have
received
a
link
to
it
when
we
opened
the
story
map,
so
hopefully,
you're
able
to
check
it.
Out.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
It
was
also
linked
to
a
questionnaire,,
and
we
promoted
that
through
various
channels,.
In
addition
to
virtual
engagement,,
we
supplemented
that
with
in
person
promotion..
So
we
had
several
pop
ups..
So
we
were
standing
at
several
of
these
neighborhood
centers,
with
our
big
board,
and
just
intercepting
people,
and
talking
to
them
about
what
kind
of
businesses
they
wish.
They
would
see
there,
or
what
might
be
missing
for
their
daily
needs,,
where
they
might.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
have
to
where
something
might
be
missing
that
they
have
to
drive
across
town
to
get
to..
So
we
were
at
basemark,
idle
market
meadows
and
gun
barrel..
We
also
attended
a
couple
of
fairs
and
events
through
july,,
so
we
were
at
one
of
the
boat
boulders,
social
streets,
event,
and
a
block
party
at
ponderosa.,
so
that
was
great
to
do..
Some
in
person
engagements
been
a
while
with
covid
to
not
be
able
to
do
that,,
so
that
was
really
nice
to
be
out
there.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
just
a
little
more
detail
about
the
story
map
in
case
you
didn't
explore
it..
So
we
had
this
story
map
and
questionnaire
open
from
july
tenth
to
30.
first,.
We
got
246
responses
to
the
questionnaire
the
story
map
gave..
It
was
kind
of
a
guided
map
that
gave
information
on
each
one
of
the
neighborhood
centers
as
well
as
downtown.,
and
so
it
talked
about
what
zoning
districts
are
there?.
What
types
of
businesses
are
there??
What's
the
most
common
type
of
business?
That's
there.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
then
it
listed
the
potential
changes
that
would
impact
each
one
of
those
neighborhood
centers.
after
they
explored
the
map..
They
could
either
look
at
just
the
one
near
their
neighborhood
or
look
at
all
of
them..
Then
people
were
asked
to
fill
out
a
few
questions
in
a
questionnaire..
It
asked
about
what
their
current
walkable
access
was
to
many
different
services
and
what
type
of
businesses
they'd
wanna
see
more
of,,
or
that
they
have
concerns
about
in
terms
of
the
potential
changes
that
were
shown
on
the
map.
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D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
ice
cream.,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
one
was
biased
just
because
we
were
doing
this
in
july,
and
it
was
very
hot..
It
was
like
the
hottest
days
of
july
that
we
were
asking
people
so
not
sure
if
we
would
get
that
answer
in
december,,
but
just
wanted
to
throw
it
out
there..
We
got
a
lot
of
that
bakeries,
post,
offices,
and
then
a
lot
of
support
for
whatever
we
can
do.
to
support
local
businesses..
That
was
a
very
common
theme.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
terms
of
concern.
some
things
that
we
heard
more
frequently.
we're
kind
of
all..
A
lot
of
them
are
related
to
vehicle
related
uses
similar
to
the
previous
rounds
of
engagement.,
so
concerns
about
gas,
stations,,
auto
repair
drive
throughs.
also,.
Some
concerns
are
raised
in
the
questionnaire
about
marijuana,
dispensaries
and
kind
of
on
the
flip
side
of
the
local
businesses.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
in
addition
to
the
broader
public
input
that
we've
been
doing.,
we
also
have
3
groups.
that
have
been
guiding
the
direction
for
this
project..
So
we
have
a
public
working
group
of
stakeholders
and
interested
in
residents
that
have
been
working
with
us
throughout
the
whole
use
table
project
providing
direction
and
feedback..
They
helped
a
ton
with
developing
the
story,
map
and
the
questionnaire,,
and
we
met
with
them.
In
march
and
june..
We
have
our
great
planning
board
liaison.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
over
the
last
year
or
2,,
providing
their
guidance
and
input
as
well.,
and
then
we
met
with
the
community
connectors
and
residents,,
which
is
a
group
led
by
the
city
that
supports
underrepresented
communities
and
advances
racial
equity,,
and
we
had
a
really
great
conversation
with
them.
on
talking
about
the
proposed
changes.
and
then,
really,.
What
other
strategies
would
help
promote?
Walkable,
neighborhoods.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
alright.,
so
getting
into
the
actual
ordinance..
This
is
a
summary
of
the
changes
in
ordnance
85
90.
so,,
like
I
mentioned,
there's
going
to
be
3.,
there's
kind
of
going
to
be
3,
main
topics.,
so
I'll
start
with
restaurants.,
then
we'll
talk
about
duplexes
and
townhomes,
and
then
I'll
get
to
the
miscellaneous
other
changes
to
support
walkability.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
restaurants
is
one
of
the
most
comp
more
complex
ones.,
so
I
wanted
to
start
with
that..
This
has
been
identified
throughout
the
use
table
project
as
a
overly
complex
part
of
our
code..
Definitely
so..
If
you
remember
before
module
one.,
I
think
there
were
8
or
9
rows
of
the
use
table
that
were
devoted
to
restaurants.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
we're
still
left
with
12
different
versions
of
restaurant
requirements
for
boulder,
and
the
standards
differ
based
on
the
zoning
districts,
and
they
generally
relate
to
3
main
things.
The
overall
size
of
the
restaurant,,
the
allowed
size
of
the
patio
and
the
hours
of
operation
for
the
restaurant.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
there's
a
few
other
districts
that
have
additional
unique
standards.,
so
the
bms,,
the
business
main
street
district
inside
the
university
hill
area..
It
has
standards
related
to
the
percentage
of
income
that
a
restaurant
has
to
have
from
food.,
so
they
have
to
have
50
of
their
income
come
from
food..
They
have
to
have
a
food
preparation
area..
If
it's
a
brew
power
tavern,,
they
have
to
provide
snacks,
and
then
their
standards
related
to
trash
collection.
D
D
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
are,,
if
you
think,
of,
like
a
commercial
and
residential
interface,
area,
a
small
commercial
area
that
interfaces
closely
with
a
or
did
I
say,,
yeah,
small
commercial
area
that
interfaces
closely
with
residential.,
so
kind
of
the
more
sensitive
areas..
So
that's
our
and
4
bms
bt,,
and
so
the
proposal
in
the
ordinance
before
you
tonight.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
is
to
allow
restaurants
and
subject
to
2
standards
a
maximum
size
of
4,000
square
feet..
This
represents
an
increase
in
the
allowable
size
of
restaurants.
in
most
of
these
districts,
there's
a
1,000
square,
foot,
or
1,500
square
foot
limit
right
now
to
be
allowed
by
right,
although
in
the
hill
they're
actually
allowed
to
be
4,000
square
feet.,
but
it's
always
a
conditional
use..
So
there's
no
allowed
by
right,
option.
right
now.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
some
other
cities
would
have
would
have
like
a
different
line
for
restaurants
and
different
lines
for
taverns
or
bars.,
but
we
we
treat
them
all
as
the
same
line
in
the
use
table..
So
we
find
that
the
hours
of
operation
are
a
good
differentiating
factor
between
what's
a
restaurant.
and
what's
a
bar?,
so
typically,,
if
it
closes
by
11,.
It
probably
really
is
a
restaurant.
if
it
has
a
later
opening
hours,.
Those
are.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
those
tend
to
act
more
like
bars
or
taverns,,
and
tend
to
perhaps
have
a
greater
impact
on
neighbors..
So
that's
the
reason
for
having
the
size
and
the
hours
of
operation..
If
a
restaurant
wanted
to
be
larger
than
4,000
square
feet
or
open
later,,
they
would
still
have
the
opportunity
to
pursue
a
user
view,,
which
is
how
that
works
in
most
of
those
districts.
Now,.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
one
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
highlight..
So
on
the
last
slide.,
I
said
that
patio
size
is
also
a
main
differentiating
factor.
for
restaurants
right
now
about
whether
they
can
be
allowed
by
right
or
need
a
user
view..
We
propose
in
this
ordinance
a
different
approach
that
we
think
ends
up
at
the
kind
of
same
solution
or
the
same
endpoint,,
but
has
a
different
procedural
route.
a
lot
of
times
we'll
have
restaurants,
go
through
the
user
view
process.
and
what
happens
through
the
use
review
is.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
to
that
approval.
that
we
found
are
tend
to
be
kind
of
the
same
type
of
standard,,
so
they
tend
to
be
about
noise,
music
trash
collection..
So
the
idea
with
this
ordinance
is
to
just
set
those
standards
as
general
standards
for
all
outdoor
seating,
that
ha!
that's
near
residential.,
so,
rather
than
having
that
be
the
trigger
that
turns
shifts
people
into
needing
a
user
view.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
There
would
just
be
those
standards
that
apply,,
whether
you're,
when
you're
close
to
residential
areas.
and
so
you,
kinda.
As
I
said,
you
end
up
in
the
same
place.
but
you've
taken
a
different
route
and
the
the
real
intent
is
to
streamline
the
approval
processes
and
get
more
restaurants.
E
E
E
And
you
know,,
it
was
specifically
about
university
hill,
and
some
suggested
changes
that
were
being
proposed,,
some
of
them
by
the
business
community.,
and
that
standard
about
50%
of
your
revenue
has
to
come
from.
Food
was
something
that
they
were
proposing,
changing.
and
I
just
wanna
make
sure
that
this
project
would
not
change
that
standard..
If
I'm
understanding
correctly,.
This
is
just
about.
E
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,
thanks,
laura,,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that.
so
because
the
university
hill
areas
within
the
bms
zoning
districts,,
the
way
that
the
ordinance
that's
in
your
packet
is
drafted
actually
would
eliminate
those
use.
Standards?,
specifically
the
one
you're
mentioning
with
the
50,,
because
it
would
be
consolidated
with
these
other
districts..
So
it
would
be
limited
to
just
the
size
and
the
hours
of
operation
as
be
allowed
by
right..
D
A
A
A
Lisa
houde,
cob:
sure.,
so
just
for
those
who
don't
know
that
acronym
unit
is
the
university
hill
general
improvement
district..
So
that's
what
we
use
in
the
code..
So
there
wasn't
a
specific
question
like
on
the
questionnaire
about
the
university
hill
general
improvement.
District.,
you
know
the
the
questionnaire
and
the
story
map
was
focused
on
all
of
the
neighborhood
centers
of
the
city.,
and
so
university
hill
is
one
of
those
neighborhood
centers,
and.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
As
far
as
the
proposed
changes
for
university
hill,,
it
just
said:
streamline,
approval
processes.,
so
it
was
fairly
general.,
it
didn't
say:
specifically,
you
know.,
remove
the
specific
50
requirement
from
there.
there
was.
there's
a
balance
in
that
public
engagement
of
getting
to
into
the
weeds
too
much
with
details,
and
scaring
too
many
people
off..
So
we
wanted
to
keep
it
fairly
broad
in
general
and
get
the
input
on.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
we
went
to
a
city
council
study
session
for
their
input
and
I
will
have
slides
later.
that
summarize
that
a
few
weeks,
ago,
and
several
of
the
city
council
members
recommended
that
staff
actually
pull
the
the
hill
standards
into
kind
of
this,.
This
similar
umbrella,
with
the
other,
like
dt.,
1,,
2,
and
3,
and
and
look
at
having
the
similar
standards
to
downtown
between
the
downtown
and
the
hill..
So
that's
where
this
ordinance
ended
up
for
you
to
look
at
tonight.
F
D
F
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
which
is
what
most
restaurants
have..
They
are
only
required
to
have
25%
of
their
revenue
from
food
or
income
from
food.,
whatever
the
differences
for
that,,
I'm
not
a
financial
person.,
so
I
think
it
gets
it
would
get
complex
if
we
did
that
overall
for
all
restaurants
as
a
definition.-
and
I
think
that's
why
we've
gotten
away
from
from
defining
it
that
way.
A
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
okay.,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
highlight.,
so
we
actually
do
allow
restaurants
already
in
some
of
our
higher
density,
residential
districts,
or
rh-th
3,
and
our
h.
7.
you
can
see
on
the
map..
This
is
a
pretty
small
area
of
the
city.,
but
right
now,
they're
allowed.,
if
they're
1,000
square
feet
and
close
by
11,,
otherwise
they're
prohibited.
there's
no
option
for
a
user
view..
So
in
light
of
the
other
changes,
citywide.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
We
also
are
recommending
increasing
the
size
in
our
h,
3
and
our
h
7,
so
that
the
maximum
size
would
be
2,000,
and
that
would
cash
or
a
few
more.
one
example.,
it's
not
in
our
h.
3
or
h.
7,.
But
alpine
modern
is
in
residential
zoning
district
cafe.,
that's
1,200
square
feet.,
so
even
that
wouldn't
fall
into
allowed
by
right..
So
we
just
thought
that.
D
D
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
related
to
patio
size..
So
if
a
restaurant
in
any
of
these
areas
has
a
patio,
that's
over
300
square,
feet,
and
they're
close
to
residential
districts.,
they
get
kicked
into
use
review..
So,
in
light
of
streamlining
approval
processes.,
these
are
mostly
the
actual
neighborhood
centers
is
the
zoning,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
support
through
the
public.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
about
supporting
outdoor
seating
and
restaurants,
we're
recommending
in
the
ordinance
to
remove
that
user
view
requirement.
and,
like,,
I
said,.
We
would
still
have
the
general
standards
for
outdoor
seating
that
would
apply
if
a
restaurant
is
close
to
residential..
So
you'd
still
have
those
noise
and
music
and
trash
collection.
Things
like
that
in
place..
It
just
wouldn't
trigger
the
user
view
process.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
wanted
to
highlight
what
we've
heard
related
to
restaurants
in
terms
of
public
input.,
so
kind
of
those
3
groups.
I
talked
about.
and
then
the
summer
2023.
engagement
is
everything
we
heard
from
the
questionnaire,
and
also
our
in
person
engagement..
We
heard
significant
amount
of
support
for
more
restaurants
in
the
neighborhood
centers.,
almost
unanimous
from
everyone..
We
talked
to
support
for
making
the
city
process
easier
for
restaurants
to
open
in
the
city..
A
lot
of
people
were
surprised.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
that
it's
challenging
to
open
a
restaurant
or
that
we
require
a
use
review
for
almost
every
restaurant
in
the
city,
and
a
lot
of
support
for
wanting
to
see
more
outdoor
seating..
I
think
that
the
opinions
on
outdoor
seating
have
definitely
changed
in
the
last
few
years,
with
covid
and
different
desires
for
people
wanting
to
sit
outside
and
have
that
patio
option.
D
Lisa
houde,.
Cob:.
From
the
public
working
group.-
also
a
lot
of
support.
for
restaurant
changes.,
we
did
talk
a
bit
with
the
public
working
group
about
making
sure
that
the
the
hill
standard
unique
standards
remain..
This
was
before
the
city
council
direction.
some
design
items
about
patios
and
what
makes
them
pedestrian
friendly.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
planning
board
liaisons.
We
talked
about
the
difference
between
local
restaurants
and
chains,
and
how
we
differentiate
between
those
overall
supportive
of
those
changes,
and
then
community
connectors
and
residents.
also,.
We
talked
about
supporting
resident
more
restaurants
in
the
community
as
a
way
to
support
local
businesses
and
entrepreneurship.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
as
well
as
just
providing
more
affordable
and
equally
diverse
restaurants..
They
also
brought
up
food
truck
regulations.
I
mentioned
in
the
memo.
That's
a
really
complex
part
of
the
code
that
we
think
could
be
a
separate
project
where
we
could
do
more
focused
engagement
on
food
trucks,,
because.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
alright.,
so
that's
it
for
restaurants..
The
next
topic
was
related
to
duplexes
and
town
homes
in
the
bt
or
business
transitional
districts..
As
you
see
on
the
map,,
the
bt
districts
are
kind
of
small
strips
that
are
essentially
the
transition
between
the
larger
intensity
or
higher
intensity
business
zones
like
our
br
zones
or
bc
zones
and
residential
zones..
So
it
truly
is
a
transitional
district.
D
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
We
thought
that
bt
is
a
additional
zone,
may
probably
makes
good
sense
for
middle
housing
to
be
located
as
kind
of
the
transition
from
the
intent,
higher
intensity,
the
lower
end
intensity..
So
by
removing
that
barrier
for
duplexes
and
townhomes,,
it
might
incentivize
those
to
be
located
in
bt..
I
would
note
that
there
is
a
similar
requirement
for
attached
dwelling
units
so
attach
dwell.
Units
are
not
allowed
to
be
on
the
user.
F
A
F
A
A
Lisa
houde,
cob:
okay,
look,
lisa,,
please
pick
up
where
you
were.
okay.,
just
a
summary
of
what
we've
heard
through
the
public
input
for
duplexes
and
town
homes,,
lots
of
support
for
missing
or
middle
housing
in
neighborhood
centers..
A
lot
of
people
express
surprise
centers
would
add
to
the
vibrancy
of
the
center.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
public
working
group
planning
board
liaisons,.
Also
supportive
of
these
changes,
perhaps
needs
a
good
balance
so
that
it
doesn't
become
just
residential.
also
talking
about
area
planning
for
the
neighborhood
centers
as
a
way
to
guide
the
future.
there,
too,
community
connectors
also
supported
more
duplexes
and
town
homes
throughout
the
city.
D
Lisa
houde,,
cob:,
okay?
and
then,
finally,
is
the
miscellaneous
changes..
So
these
are
the
proposed
use
allowance
or
standard
changes.,
so
I'll
go
through..
There
are
changes
in
our
public
and
institutional
part
of
the
use,
table,
and
then
also
commercial,.
Like
I
mentioned
before,,
our
planning
board
subcommittee.
back
in
2019
and
2020,
did
a
row
by
row,
column
by
column,
analysis
of
the
use
table
and
identified
many
of
these
changes
as
potential
opportunities
to
improve
walkability.
D
lisa
houde,
cob:,
and
then
this
is
also
informed
by
the
the
public
input
so
in
terms
of
public
and
institutional
changes,,
allowing
community
services
in
our
mixed
use,
zoning
districts
and
our
public
zoning
districts.
I'll
note
that
just
a
point
of
interest.
boulder
was
very
early
in
adopting
mixed
use
zoning..
So
we
had
mixed
use:
zoning
in
the
early
eighties,
where
a
lot
of
cities.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
fairly,
cautiously,
in
terms
of
mixed
use..
So
now
that
we're
looking
at
it
kind
of
40
years
later.,
there's
a
number
of
uses
that
you
look
at
the
use,
table,
and
you're
kind
of
surprised.
oh,.
That's
not
allowed
in
a
mixed
use,
district..
So
some
of
those
just
kind
of
came
to
light,
as
we
were
doing
the
analysis
for
this,
lisa.,
I'm
sorry..
Let
me
just
interrupt,
mark..
You
have
your
hand
up.
C
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
It
is
one
of
our
broad
categories.,
so
if
it
helps
it
used
to
be
called
public
or
private
office
use,,
and
then
we
renamed
it
to
community
services
in
module
one.,
so
it
essentially
said,
it's
an
office
for
a
benevolent,,
philanthropic,
patriotic..
I
think
we
also
say,
the
definition
kind
of
like
doing
good
nonprofit,
often
type
of
office.
C
F
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
think
they
could.,
I
mean,.
The
concern
is
that
the
clients
might
be
a
little
louder
or
rowdier
than
a
medical
office,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we
could
take
direction
from
you.
or
a
recommendation
that
that
could
be
treated
as
a
medical
office..
It's
often
if
it
was
a
use
that
was
prohibited..
We
were
trying
to
make
the
changes
like
one
step
down.,
so
it
was
prohibited.,
so
then
go
to
user
view..
If
something
was
used.
review,,
we
often
change
that
to
allowed.
F
F
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah.
yeah.,
so
it
allows
up
to
300
seats?.
So
it's
not.,
it's
not
tiny.,
and
I
think
that
the
rationale
for
some
of
these
that
are
use
for
views
is
that
when
there's
a
use
where
a
lot
of
people
are
coming
at
one
time,
that
tends
to
have
a
greater
impact
on
the
surrounding
properties.
and
that's
really
what
a
user
view
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
look
at
that
particular
use
in
that
particular
location,,
be
able
to
perhaps
add
some
conditions
that
could
help.
D
A
Lisa
houde,
cob:
okay,
go
ahead,,
please.,
lisa.
okay,
many
bullets
on
this
slide
governmental
facility..
I
mentioned
that
we
heard
a
lot
about
post
offices..
So
that's
what
a
post
office
is
called
in
the
use
table.
so
allowing
those
in
more
places.
obviously,.
We
don't
have
any
control
over
the
united
states
postal
service,,
but
at
least
we
wouldn't
have
a
barrier
in
the
zoning
code.
for
it.
in
these
mixed
use
and
public
zoning
districts.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
medical
offices,,
allowing
those
with
a
size
limit.,
so
just
a
small
medical,
office,,
non
vehicular,
repair
and
rental.
That's
like
your
vacuum.
Repair
shop.
things
like
that
not
related
to
cars,,
but
repair
and
rental
of
any
kind,,
allowing
those
inside
with
a
size
limit
in
several
districts,
outdoor
recreation
and
entertainment..
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
retail,,
allowing
at
a
small
scale
that's
something
that
we
heard
a
lot
from
people
just
small
scale:
retail.,
so
not
the,.
You
know,
12,000
square
foot,
big
box
store,,
but
a
small
retail
shop,
that
where
you
could
support
local
business,
already
mentioned,,
small
theater,
and
then
temporary
event.
That
was
just
one.
We
identified,
we
allow,
in
all
the
business
and
downtown
zones,,
but
don't
allow
in
our
mixed
use
or
public
zone..
So
just
aligning
that
with
the
other
districts.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
so
that's
kind
of
the
miscellaneous
section..
What
we've
heard
on
these
changes?
I
already
mentioned,
people
want
to
see
more
post
offices,
lots
of
support
for
whatever
we
can
do
to
support
the
arts,
small
theaters,
music
venues,
which
would
fall
under
that
category
and
general
support
for
all
the
other
changes.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
through
our
public
working
group
and
planning
board
liaisons
as
well.,
had
a
good
conversation
with
the
community
connectors
about
again
supporting
small
businesses
and
ensuring
that
there's
a
portable
community
commercial
space
and
directly
talking..
They
talked
about
community
services
as
something
what
they
wanted
to
see.
A
change
for..
So
that's
incorporated
in
the
ordinance
as
well.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
and
then
I
think
this
is
my
final
slide..
So
I
did
just
want
to
brief
you
on
the
feedback
we
got
from
city.
Council.-
we
went
to
a
study
session
with
them
on
july
twenty-seventh,
and
they
saw
a
very
similar
presentation
to
what
you're,
seeing
and
asked
for
their
direction,
so
related
to
restaurants,
city
council
express
support
for
streamlining
the
standards
for
restaurants
and
the
review
process.
several
of
the
city
council
members
encourage
staff
to
streamline
the
regulations
on
the
hill,,
similarly
to
the
changes
that
were
proposed
to
downtown..
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
terms
of
downtown
or
duplexes
and
town
homes.
we
had
originally
for
the
public.
input
proposed
changes
to
both
bt
and
br.
council
expressed
some
concerns
about
those
changes,.
Seeing
that
those
areas
really
as
focused
on
or
prioritized
for
commercial
and
not
wanting
to
see
residential
takeover.
one
council
member
said.,
maybe
it
made
more
sense
in
the
bt
zoning
district,,
but
not
the
br..
So
that's
reflected
in
the
ordinance
as
well.
D
lisa
houde,
cob:,
has
the
change.
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
other
changes,
they
were
supportive
of
those
changes..
There
are
a
couple
of
extra
that
they
thought
weren't
necessary
to
the
project,,
so
those
have
been
removed
from
the
are.
Are
they
not
included
in
the
ordinance??
That's
changes
to
hostels
and
clubs
or
lodges,
which
are
like
masonic
lodges?.
D
D
A
A
A
G
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yeah,,
that's
a
great
question.
ii
think
what
we
did.
Was,
look
at
a
number
of
restaurants
that
have
been
approved
that
are
larger
than
1,500.,
like
I
mentioned,
most
restaurants,
or
many
restaurants,
have
to
go
through
that
user
view
process.,
so
just
as
an
example.,
so
the
med,,
when
it
was
open,,
was
about
3,000
square
feet.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
size.
foolish
craigs
is
2,500..
I
had
mentioned
that
alpine
modern
is
1,200..
If
you've
been
to
the
new
zomama,.
I
don't
know
if
it's
open
that
anyone's
open
yet,,
but
that's
2,400..
That
was
a
chipotle..
So
if
you
can
picture
the
size
of
a
typical
tripoli
before
that's
2,400.,
so
the
4,000.,
it
was
a
number
that
was
already
in
in
the
code
for
the
hill.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
to
make
sure
that
that
would
be
captured
under
4,000
and
then
just
what
larger
restaurants
like
chain,
restaurants
at
average
size
of
like
a
chili's,,
his
6,000..
So
things
like
that
would
be
over
the
scale
of
4,000..
So
that's
where
we
landed
on
4,000,,
being
kind
of
a
good
differentiator
between
the
more
local
business
and
scaled
restaurants
versus
the
larger
chains.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
granted,.
We
would
still
have
development
standards
like
parking
and
things
like
that,
that
if
they
have
a
larger
size,
they
have
a
larger
parking
requirement
that
they
need
to
meet
and
things
like
that..
So
we
think
that
the
other
standards
in
the
code
would
indicate
any
impacts.
from
the
larger
size.
A
C
C
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
one
thing
about
the
changes
is
that
the
you
know,,
if
we
change
standards
in
the
bt
zoning
district,
because
bt
is
located
within
done
barrel
that
affects
bt
everywhere
throughout
the
city..
So
it
might
be
that
bt
zoning
is
not
within
another
neighborhood
center.,
but
now
we've
opened
up
a
new
use
there..
So
I
think
there
could
be
a
small
impact
on
the.
D
C
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
We
are
working
with
our
gis
team
to
do
that.,
it's
more
complicated.
seems
like
it
should
be..
We
have
some.,
there's
some
great
walk,
shed
information
in
some
of
our
transportation
plans.,
which
gives
like
a
really
cool,
red,,
yellow,
and
green
map.,
and
you
can
see
the
neighborhoods
when
we
looked
into
that
cause..
That's
where
we
kind
of
started
for
that
story,
map.
and
what,
how
we
wanted
to
develop
it..
But
when
we
looked
into
the
data,
it
just
wasn't
perfect
with
the
kind
of
services
that
were
included
in
that
data,.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
but
we
are
working
on
the
the
flip
side
of
that
of
looking
at
the
neighborhood
centers.
and
what's
fif
within
15
min
from
there?,
so
we'll
have
that
shortly.,
but
but
yeah,
I
think
it.,
it's
obviously
a
complex
issue.
that
is
both
land
use
and
transportation,
and
they're
doing
great
work
on
the
transportation
side,
too,
on
this..
This
is
just
the
land
use
piece.
A
A
A
A
A
H
H
Jake
hudson-humphrey:
businesses
within
the
university
hill
general
improvement
district.,
I'm
here
to
speak
in
support
of
removing
the
regulations
that
prevent
hill
businesses
that.
serve
alcohol
from
staying
open,
past
11
pm.,
as
well
as
the
regulations
that
require
50%
of
sales
come
from
food..
So
I
believe
that
these
regulations
unfairly
hurt
businesses
in
a
district.
That's
already
struggling.
H
H
Jake
hudson-humphrey:
we
basically
our
district
needs
all
the
help
that
it
can
get.
we're
the
most
regulated
district
in
boulder
when
it
comes
to
these
kind
of
use.
Restrictions.
and,,
as
I
said,
it's
an
already
struggling
district..
So
we
are
very
wary
of
losing
business
to
businesses
open
that
are
able
to
open
later
in
the
rest
of
the
city
and
outside
of
boulder.
H
H
H
Jake
hudson-humphrey:
you
know,
after
11
pm.,
which
is
when
the
majority
of
that
happens
that
leads
to
less
over
consumption.
That
leads
to
less
underage
drinking
and
it
really
does
help
get
that
activity
out
of
the
neighborhood,,
which
is
a
big
concern..
So
if
we're,
if
we
allow
that
to
happen
in
the
district,
where
it's
supervised,,
where
it's
more
regulated.,
that's
really
gonna
keep
it
from
behind
closed
doors.
and
it's
gonna
get
it,.
You
know,
back
into
a
safer,,
more
supervised,
space.
E
I
I
I
I
I
Lynn,
segal:
2
blocks
from
me
is
maxwell,
the
daisy
grocery.
that
should
be.
ii.
Think
you
should
be
zoning
for
specific
shops..
You
should
have
a
zone,
or
that's
a
shoe
repair,
stop
shop,
and
that's
what
it
has
to
be.
and
then,
when
somebody
leaves,,
because
the
rent's
too
high.
they're,
not
gonna,
evacuate
the
place
and
add
insult
to
injury
in
the
landfill,
redoing.
The
whole
thing
for
a
different
repurposing.
I
I
Lynn
segal:
and
what
you
anchor
with
this
really
important.,
maybe
waterview,
does
need
a
brew
pub
because
they're
out
there
isolated,
and
there's
nothing
to
do.
and
within
that
place,
there's
a
garage
on
every
single
unit
of
water
view.,
it's
just
a
sprawling
community.,
but
as
the
sprawl
fills
in
the
way
that
we're
developing,,
which
I'm
really
opposed
to
like..
That's
what
I
was
speaking
about
at
kanamoto,
today.
I
A
J
J
Jonathan
singer
(he/his)-
boulder
chamber:,
and
I
am
here
to
support
the
staff
recommendation
as
it
stands
right
now.
I
wanna
thank
lisa
carl.
and
really
the
entire
staff
for
their
due
diligence
on
this
entire
effort..
This
has
been
yeoman's
work
over
multiple
years,
dealing
with
multiple
stakeholders,
trying
to
balance,
sometimes
some
competing
interests
and
and
oftentimes
interest
that.
J
J
J
J
J
Jonathan
singer
(he/his)-
boulder
chamber:
being
able
to
standardize
a
process
that
we
give
businesses
of
all
sizes,,
but
especially
small
businesses..
A
reasonable
degree
of
certainty,
while
they're
going
through
the
application
and
review
process,
actually
provides
new
opportunities
for
innovative,
smaller
businesses
to
step
into
a
place
that
needs
to
be
vital,,
as
we
have
our
conference
center
coming
in
there
shortly.
J
J
J
Jonathan
singer
(he/his)-
boulder
chamber:,
but
also
provides
new
opportunities
to
bring
the
hill
back
to
where
it
used
to
be,
and
perhaps
even
in
a
in
a
better
place
I'll
be
around
so
certainly
feel
free,
to.
I'll
be
listening
in
for
the
comments,.
But
I
wanna
thank
everyone
for
their
due
diligence
and
their
care
on
this
process.
D
E
Byron
wheeler:
thank
you.,
good
evening.
planning
board.,
I'm
here
to
advocate,
on
behalf
of
the
business
community
in
the
university
hill
district,
by
showing
support
of
the
deregulation
of
the
alcohol
related,
use
restrictions
within
the
general
improvement
district,,
including
the
mandated
11
pm.
closing
time.
K
K
Byron
wheeler:,
I
own
a
restaurant
on
the
hill,
and
I
estimate,,
based
on
my
completely
full
restaurants,
every
friday
and
saturday.
At
the
time,
I'm
forced
to
close
that
my
annual
revenues
are
decreased
by
up
to
15%
as
a
result
of
this
regulation,
and
I'm
helpless
as
a
business
owner..
As
I've
watched
my
customers
flood
into
neighboring
restaurants,
because
they
have
a
grandfathered
right
to
serve
at
a
later
hour.
K
K
K
Byron
wheeler:
yeah,,
I'm
sorry.,
many
of
whom
want
to
have
a
safe
place
to
consume
alcohol,,
but
are
unable
to
do
so
on
the
hill
after
11
pm.
as
we
examine
these
proposed
changes,,
which
I'm
a
full
supporter
of
everything
that
you
guys
have
done
and
and
and
proposed
here
tonight,.
I
strongly
encourage
you
to
include
deregulating
the
required
11
pm.
closing
time.
K
A
B
B
Garrett
baum:,
you
know,,
we
purchased
the
flat
iron
theater
10
years
ago,
and
we
won
an
award
from
the
historic
boulder
for
what
we
did
there,
and
we
put
tenants.
In,
and
I've
had
4
tenants,
leave,
and
the
reason
they've
left
is
because
of
the
draconian
rules
that
have
been
put
in
place
that
do
not
allow
businesses
to
succeed.
There.
B
Garrett
baum:,
you
know
the
the
w.
when
the
rules
went
in
place,
it
was,
oh,,
the
students
are
coming
down.,
they're,
drinking.
they're,
throwing
up
on
their
way
home.
we
gotta
fix
it..
So
let's
just
stop
drinking
on
the
hill.
well,
you
know,.
There.
We
invested
millions
in
that
building.
after
purchasing
it.
B
B
Garrett
baum:
the
drinking
problem
or
drinking
youth.
The
third
person
that
spoke.
that's
not
gonna,
go
away
because
you've
got
limits
on
times
for
or
or
when,
when
restaurants
can
be
open..
So
you
know
one
of
our
businesses?
yes,
small
portion
of
their
sales
were
from
alcohol.,
I'm
working
with
another
tenant
right,
now.
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B
B
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lisa
spalding:
anyway.
ii
would
like
to
say
that
having
the
concentration
of
bars
on
the
hill
did
not
reduce
the
parties
in
the
neighborhood
underage.,
students
drank
it
parties
and
21,
and
over
drank
and
bars..
I
served
on
the
liquor
board
for
10
years,
and
I
could
pull
police
reports
that
show
bars
are
not
safe,
supervised
places
for
students
to
drink..
Please
remove
this
element
and
allow
the
city
to
deal
with
it
separately..
They
need
to
do
research
and
get
public.
A
M
M
Steven
walsh:,
I
was
one
of
the
hill
residents
that
worked
so
hard
to
bring
the
hill
back
from
a
place
that
was
lethal
to
some
students
and
paralyzed,
a
police
officer
during
one
of
the
riots
in
1996,.
When
we
bought
our
home
there,,
it
was
a
mess
and
we
worked
really,
really
hard
for
many,
many
years.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
Steven
walsh:,
that
is
the
sign
of
hope
for
the
hill..
That's
what
needs
to
be
addressed.
when
those
kinds
of
properties
are
developed
and
the
landlords
have
the
level
of
state
stake,
in
that
they
have,
the
establishments
will
be
run
responsibly.,
but
to
leave
the
the..
You
know.
the
general
building
supply
out
there
now
to.
M
A
A
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
Tell
jones
the
sink
on
the
hill:,
that's
what
I'm
hearing,!
That's
all
I
noticed.
like,!
I
said.
I've
only
been
here
for
10
years..
It
seems
like
an
experiment
that
didn't
work.,
there's,
not
anybody
that
comes
in
trying
to
boost
their
sales
based
on
alcohol
after
11,
or
based
on
sales.
After
11
period.,
it
seems
like
most
people
have
gone
down
to
pearl
street
and
pearl
street
only,
and
or
house
parties.,
and
that's
all
I
have.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
O
O
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Pb,
lisa
smith:
stretching
the
staff
that
we
already
have
for
co
enforcement,
or
like
trying
to
push
that
back
onto
city
staff..
I
would
actually
support,
you
know.
and
and
and
and
this
would
need
to
be
developed,-
I
think,
in
concert
with
the
businesses,,
but
some
kind
of
an
additional
use
fee,
which
I've
also
seen
brought
forward,
for
example,
for
residential
landlords
on
the
hill..
You
know
that,
like
you,
will
pay
into
this
fund
this
much.
P
P
P
Pb,
lisa
smith:
moving
backward
quickly,
and
I
would
also
be
super
supportive,
of,
you
know,,
maybe
outside
this
process,,
finding
a
way
to
specifically
fund
code
enforcement
officer
activation
intervention
teams
whatever
on
the
hill,,
so
that,
if
we
do
this,
we
could
do
it
successfully,
and
not
just
be
having
to
roll
it.
Back,
you
know,
in
6
months
or
a
year,
or
whatever.
A
A
A
A
A
A
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
university,
hillary
revitalization.
and
you
did.,
and
some
very
specific
proposals
around
that.
and
I'm
not
sure
how
that
has
been
wrapped
into
this
use,
table
update.
and
or
if
there
is
some
other
venue
where
those
specific
decisions
around
you
jit
are
going
to
be
made.
If
we
don't.,
if
we
punt
here
and
say
we're
not
going
to
make
that
change
here,
tonight,
is
there
some
other
process
that
is
thinking
about
public
outreach
and
how
to
consider
those
changes.
D
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
brad.
lisa
houde,,
cob:,
yeah,,
thanks,,
laura.
and
yeah,.
I
might
have
heard
of
brad,,
and
I
also
see
that
chris
jones
is
on
here,
too..
So
the
planning
board
packet
with
the
ordinance
was
actually
made
public
and
sent
to
you
before
that
study
session
with
community
vitality
last
week..
So
the
ordnance
changes
are
a
result
of
the
direction
that
we
got
from
city
council
on
july
twenty-seventh,
at
their
study
session,
not
necessarily
related
to
the
community
vitality.
D
Q
R
Cris
jones,
cob:
good
evening.
planning,
board.
chris
jones,
here,
director
of
community
vitality..
We
also
have
regan
brown
on
the
call.
she's,
our
senior
project
manager
and
community
vitality..
We
are
key
liaison
to
the
business
community
that
we
res
represent
in
all
of
our
general
improvement,
districts.
and
so
yes,.
Last
week
we
brought
to
council
a
number
of
challenges
that
we're
experiencing
in
the
business
community.
R
R
R
A
R
R
Cris
jones,
cob:
time
track.
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
that
do
that
we'd,
so
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
need
to
or
have
to.
that
was
a
direction
we
we
received
at
a
study
session
based
on
presenting
a
number
of
of
challenges
that
are
being
considered..
We
did
not
ask
council
to
provide
direction
specifically
on
the
changes
that
you're
all
considering
this
evening..
So
there
has
been
no.
A
R
R
Cris
jones,
cob:,
we
are
going
to
queue
up
a
longer
term,
work,,
plan,,
item,
or
something
that
is
gonna
happen
more
administratively
through
our
regular
public
hearing
processes,,
using
relying
on
our
ordinance
and
city
code
required
public
engagement
processes
to
include
additional
input
into
decisions
around
this
particular
topic..
When
the
purpose
of
this
work
is
to
trying
to
simplify.
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
it.
It
does
feel
to
me,
like
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
what
I
heard
from
community
vitality
with
that
session,
that
was
specifically
focused
on
university
hill.
questions
felt
like,
kind
of
the
opening
of
a
conversation,,
and
it
feels
like
we're
now
trying
to
shut
it
quite
quickly.
by
putting
it
into
this
use,
tables,
update
and
lisa,.
I
hear
you
saying
that.
E
E
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F
F
A
A
A
P
P
P
P
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G
G
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G
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
other
uses.,
like
offices,
personal,
not
personal
services,,
but
like
indoor
athletic
facilities
or
something
come
to
mind..
We
have
a
number
of
other
uses
where
we
have.
it's
allowed
by
right
up
to
a
certain
size.
beyond
that,,
it's
user
view
or
conditional
use.,
there's,
probably
dozens
of
uses
that
have
something
like
that..
So
it's
not
uncommon
for
us
to
use
square
footage
as.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
kind
of
the
differentiating
factor
between
the
type
of
review
process.
and
I
think,
for
a
lot
of
those
that
is
trying
to
keep
a
neighborhood
scale..
We've
had
some
challenges,
like
you,
said,
with
some
more
ambiguous,,
not
ambiguous,
but
kind
of
that
fuzzy
language,,
like
our
definition
of
personal
services,
for
a
long
time,
has
said,
for
the
convenience
of
the
neighborhood,,
but
the
uses
for
the
convenience
of
the
neighborhood,
and
that
we
actually
led
to
a
code
change
where
we
came
up
with
specific.
D
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G
G
G
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G
G
G
A
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
as
a
minimum.
pb,,
sarah
silver:-
is
that
am
I
remembering
that
correctly?,
it's
not
really
any
bells
for
me..
I
don't
know..
Maybe
we
just
discussed
it
and
then
didn't
do
it.
yeah,.
I
don't
remember
seeing
that
as
a
co.
change.,
but
that
was
before
I
started
the
city..
So
I'm
not
sure.
G
G
G
S
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
and-
and
maybe
I
need
to
see
the
map
of
neighborhood
centers
again.,
but
are
the
neighborhood
centers
generally
exclusively
small
businesses,,
or
do
they
have
things
like
a
safe
way
and
a
whole.
yeah,
that
was
my
impression,
too,?
Is
that
there?
there
are
anchor
stores,
and
sometimes
there
are
chain
stores,,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
be
exclusively
that,.
You
know
we
don't
want
it
to
look
like
strip
mall,
america.
E
I'm
from
the
east
coast,,
where
you
can
drive
through
4
different
towns,,
and
you
would
never
know
you
were
someplace
different,
because
they
all
look
the
same,
and
they
all
have
the
same
stores
and
the
same
restaurants..
So
I
get
that
desire
for
local
character,,
local
flavor..
It
shouldn't
all
be
whole
foods
and
safe
ways..
But
but
there
is
some
of
that,,
I
think,
in
the
neighborhood
centers.
so.
E
G
G
G
G
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:.
I
think
I
have
a.
I
have
a
better
question.
This
time.,
I
mean,
better
answer
to
your
question
this
time..
So
that
is
really
what
we've
tried
to
do
with
these
changes..
We
really
try
to
incentivize
the
small
business
by
setting
size
limits,,
whether
it's
4,000
for
restaurants,
5,000
for
retail
or
some
of
the
other
size
limits..
I
think
we
did
2,000
for
convenience,
retail.
really
trying
to
incentivize
small
and.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:,
maybe
by
proxy
local.
those
small
businesses,
because
their
process
would
be
allowed
by
right.
they'd
get
to
go
straight
to
a
building
permit..
They
wouldn't
have
to
go
through
a
user
view
or
conditional
use.,
but
once
it's
a
larger
use,
which
might
be
less
of
that
kind
of
neighborhood.
feel
that
you're
speaking
to.,
then
they
have
to
go
through
a
user
view.,
and
so
the
user
view
is
a
longer
process..
It's
more
discretionary.
D
S
S
S
Ml
robles,
pb:
you
know,
till
lisa's
point..
We
hope
that
some
of
the
size
restrictions
that
you
know
we're
putting
up
might
help
encourage
different
business
technologies.,
but
just
to
be
very
explicit.,
there's
nothing
that
we're
drafting,
and
that's
that
would
right..
I
like
that
answer,
though,
lisa,
and
thank
you
for
that..
I
think
that
answers
my
question,
that.,
it's
in
the
use
by
right.
G
G
G
A
P
O
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
but
but
there,
there
are,
there
are
communities.
and
I'm
not
saying
it's.
It's
necessarily
successful,,
because
I
think
it
brings
on
all
kinds
of
other
nuanced
issues
that
those
communities
are
dealing
with..
But
if
that's
something,
ml,
that
you're
interested
in
pursuing,
or
others
are
interested
in
pursuing..
There
are
cases
of
other
cities
doing
stuff
like
that.,
and
I
think
it's
really
interesting.
O
O
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:,
I
don't
think
it's
related
to
what
we're
doing
today.,
but
I'm
very
interested
in
that,,
but
I
also
think
it's
a
it's
a
whole
other
can
of
worms.,
but
but
as
far
as
what
hela
saying.,
I
do
think
there
are
communities
that
have
done
stuff
like
this
to
varying
levels
of
success
that
you
know,.
If
that's
something
that
that
we
or
the
community
wants
to
look
into.,
there's
there's
opportunity
to
do
that.
A
A
E
E
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:-
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
certainly
do
here
that
people
want
local
businesses..
I
think
we
all
want
local
businesses,,
but
we
also
hear
that
we
want
affordability..
We
want
choice..
We
heard
that,
particularly
from
the
community
connectors,,
that
they
want
portable
housing,
shopping,
options,
and
those,.
Unfortunately,
are
often
intention.,
and
so
it's
not
just
a
goal
of
local
businesses..
It's
complex
cool.
thank
you.
C
C
C
C
C
Pb,
mark
mcintyre:
code,
that
is
specific,
pb,
mark
mcintyre:
and
encourages
good
behavior,
good
businesses
from
our
citizenry
and
our
business
community.,
but
we
can't.,
we
can't
just
say
gee!.
I
like
it
the
way
it
is,
or
the
way
it
was..
Hence
I'm
going
to.,
I'm
for
this
or
against
that..
So
that's
my
little
speech
on
that.
C
Pb,
mark
mcintyre:
an
ordinance
discussion
that
begins
with
a
slide.
That's
animated,
that
conveys
to
duration
of
the
of
the
project.,
and
so
here
we
have
a
an
ordinance
project
that
expands
so
many
years
that
we
get
an
animated
slot..
I
also,
you
know,
wanna
thank
sarah
and
ml
and
staff
for
their
work
on
this,,
because
I
think
it's
good
work.
C
C
C
Pb,
mark
mcintyre:
neighborhood
center.,
so
I
am
in
support
of
this
because
I
think
that
overall
the
ordinance
supports
the
enhancement,,
the
growth
of
neighborhood
centers.,
I'm
as
I
went
through
it,.
I
can
say
I'm
disappointed
that
maybe
it's
beyond
the
scope
of
the
project
that
we
actually
don't
really
talk
about.
C
C
C
C
C
C
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
pb,
sarah
silver:
alright.,
so
pb,
sarah
silver:,
yes.
hello.,
hella
pannewig
city
attorney's,
office:
yeah,,
sarah.
ii
was
just
gonna
suggest
that
you
could
make
the
initial
motion
the
motion
that
recommends
approval
of
the
ordinance
with
the
prop,,
with
the
change
that
you're
gonna
propose?
alright..
So
what
do
I
need
to
remake
the
motion.
P
F
A
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
the
the
basic
changes
that
are
being
proposed
for
all
restaurants
is
increasing..
The
buy
right
size
to
4,000
feet.,
setting
that
hour
of
closing
at
11,
and
then
some
standardization
of
what
can
be
in
an
outdoor,
pat
like,.
What
are
the
restrictions
on
outdoor
patios,
so
that
it's
not
dependent
on
size.?
But
it's
basically
like
all
the
stuff
that
we
would
do
in
a
user
view,
like
amplified,
noise
and
and
all
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
A
A
E
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
yeah,
ii
think
I
understand
the
point
that
you're
making,
sarah.
and
I'm
probably
sympathetic
to
it..
I'm
just
wondering
if
some
of
the
changes
that
are
being
generally
proposed,,
like
the
4,000
square
foot
by
right,
limit
of
size,
and
the
11
pm.
closing
time
and
the
outdoor
patio
standards,
which
seem
generally
not
controversial,,
could
go
ahead
and
apply
to
you,
jidd..
But
we
exempt
out
the
things
that
are
controversial
like
this.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
section
that
says,
not
less
than
50%
of
the
gross
income
of
sales
from
food
and
drink
of
the
establishment,,
etc.,
etc.
like
that,.
They
have
to
sell
50%
food
along
with
their
alcohol..
That
seems
to
be
that,
along
with
hours
of
operation,
seem
to
be
the
2
big
sticking
points..
But
this
particular
code
change
would
not
extend
the
hours
of
operation
by
rights
to
2
am..
They
still
would
have
to
get
a
use
review
for
that.
E
E
C
A
A
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:,
then
the
other
changes
that
we're
talking
about
changing
the
base,
size,,
the
the
hours
patio
stuff
that
would
still
apply.,
and
then
there
are
these
additional
provisions
within
you
with
surrounding
property
owners
required
management,
plan,
size
of
establishment,,
4,000
square
feet.,
well,.
That's
already.
F
A
A
A
D
Lisa
houde,,
cob:,
yeah.,
sorry
to.,
so
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things..
So
the
way
that
the
ordinance
is
drafted
now
it
would
consolidate
it
would
eliminate
the
current
standards
for
the
area
in
bms.,
take
everything
in
bms
and
consolidate
it
with
the
changes
that
we're
recommending
for
those
other
districts..
So
some
of
the
things
that
are
unique
about
you
right,
now.,
university,
hill,
district.
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
is
that
the
only
review
process
is
a
conditional
use..
There
is
no
use
review
option
beyond
that.,
so
if
you're
over
4,000
square
feet.,
if
you
operate
past
11
with
a
liquor,
license,,
there's
no
option
to
get
a
use
review..
So
in
the
proposed
ordinance
there
is
an
option
for
larger
and
open
later
restaurants
to
pursue
a
use
review.
and
that's
one
of
the
main
changes
or
one
of
the
main
differences.
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
the
proposed
ordinance.
how
we've
moved
that,
so
I
think,
sarah,.
How
I
understand
your
motion
is
kind
of
keep
it
as
it
is..
But
you
did
part,
you
know.,
don't
move
any
part
of
it,
but
still
make
the
changes
for
the
other
districts
that
are
proposed
with
the
4,000
and
everything.,
but
take
a
closer
look
at
the
you
did
changes
as
a
whole,
as
a
separate
project.
D
D
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
so
pb,,
sarah
silver:,
you
know,,
maybe
the
language
here
is
too
complex..
What
I
had
originally
proposed
was
a
recommendation
to
counsel,
to
direct
staff
to
undertake
a
revo
for
both
robust
public
process
that
specifically
and
solely
focuses
on
restaurant
group
up
and
tavern
use
standards.,
and
you
did.
A
A
A
A
P
P
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
I
just
wanna
chime
in
and
say
that
when
the
city
council
discussed
this
use,
tables,
model
module
3
back
in
july,.
They
specifically
complemented
the
planning
board,
liaisons
and
work
group
on
the
work
that
you
did.,
and
so,
if
you
didn't
listen
to
that,,
I
want
to
pass
along
their
comments.
A
A
A
A
A
A
E
E
A
D
O
O
O
O
O
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
E
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
progress
will
catch
up
to
the
hill,,
and
if
we
removed
these
restrictions,
everybody
would
be
happy,
with
the
result
that
that
could
happen.,
but
I'm
I'm
not
sufficiently
convinced
that
that
is
absolutely
gonna
happen..
I
do
think
that
probably
people
are
gonna
want
to
sit
down
and
go
through
these
one
by
one
and
think
about,.
Does
this
still
make
sense
in
2023
and
and
beyond?,
and
if
we
don't
have
this??
Is
there
something
else
that
we
need?.
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
but
something
like
this.,
I
don't..
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
sort
of
removing
by
fiat
very,
very
quickly..
That
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
people
tend
not
to
love
in
their
elected
officials.
and
I
do
think
it
could
have
consequences..
So
ii
am
going
to
support
this
amendment.
A
G
G
A
P
P
A
E
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
put
in
and
code
enforcement
and
do
that
in
red,,
so
that
we
can
come
back
to
that
as
a
friendly
thank
you..
I
do
like
that
as
a
friendly
amendment.,
so
I'm
going
to
propose
it
as
a
friendly
amendment..
That
is
clarifying
something
that
sarah,.
I
think
that
you
meant
or
were
open
to
from
the
beginning.
E
P
F
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
go
ahead
with
the
change,
and
then,
and
see
how
that
work.
As
we
were
doing
the
community
conversation..
I
think,,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
people,.
The
the
current
situation
is
not
actually
working
and
so
trying
something
else
to
me
would
be
appropriate
while
we're
talking
about..
So
it's
difficult
for
me.,
but
I'm
not.
A
Hella
pannewig
city,
attorney's
office:,
consider
the
friendly
amendment,,
except
that
nobody
objected
to
the
process
of
adding
it
in
this
way..
Then
I
would
recommend
that
you
read
the
amendment,,
including
the
friendly
amendment
language.
okay,
george,.
Did
you
have
something
you
wanted
to
say
first.
O
O
O
O
O
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
a
pb,,
sarah
silver:,
do
you
wanna
respond?,
or
would
you
be
okay?
If
we
go
to
the
vote?
and
then
maybe
this
is
a
conversation
that
you
and
george
could
have..
Can
I
just
very
quickly
say,?
I
really
appreciate
your
wisdom?.
You
have
much
more
experience
in
this
than
I
do.
and
what
you
say
really
is
consistent
with
what
mark
was
saying
to
sort
of
really
appreciate.
That.
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
amendment
to
retain
9,
6,
fivee-sevent,
and
to
recommend
to
council
to
direct
staff
to
undertake
a
robust
public
process
that
specifically
and
solely
focuses
on
restaurant
group
hub
and
tavern
use
standards
and
code
enforcement
in
ujid
to
develop
a
way
to
move
forward.
That
finds
the
right
balance
for
all
involved..
A
A
A
F
F
A
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
and
my
guess,
is,
she's
gonna
tell
us
something.
yeah,
sarah,.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
we
use
drive
through
use,
and
it
applies
to
any
use
that
has
a
drive-through
with
it..
So
there's
there's
not
really
a
way
to
parse
out
like
a
drive
through
bank
versus
a
drive-through
pharmacy,
or
anything
like
that..
It's
just
anything
with
a
drive-through
as
they
use
use
type
in
the
table.
okay,
lisa
smith.
P
P
E
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
thank
you.
yeah..
I
would
like
to
speak
to
this.,
so
the
the
general
rubric
of
this
project
is
to
promote
walkability
and
neighborhood
centers
right?,
and
I
think
most
people
would
probably
agree
that
drive
throughs
are
an
impediment
to
walk
ability.
They
in
add
per
cuts,,
they
add
crossing
traffic..
They
discourage.
F
F
A
E
D
E
A
C
C
C
C
A
A
G
G
Ml
robles,
pb:
out
of
their
car,
without
having
the
kind
of
antiquated
reality
of
drive-in,
I
mean
drive
into
when
everybody
drove
everywhere
and
didn't
want
to
get
out
of
their
cars.
because
it
cause
of
the
convenience.,
and
now
we
have
curbside
pickup
and
other
online
options
for
so
many
things..
So
ii
think
that
this
is
talking
about.
G
G
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
the
things
that
that
many
of
us
take
for
granted
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
walkability
is
not
an
option
and
they
can't
always
wait
for
curbside
pickup
or
a
delivery,.
You
know,,
if,
if
you're
a
person
having
a
medical
emergency,
or
if
you're
a
person
with
small
children
or
elderly
relatives
or
disabled
relatives
who
need
something
right,
now.,
and
so
I'm
just
looking
at
the
map
of
the
city.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I'm
in
the
our
boulder
zoning
map,
where
you
can
light
up
the
different
districts.
and
if
we
take
away
these
bc
zones.,
we
basically
centralize
all
of
the
drive
through
uses
around
pearl
street
and
in
a
big
block
around
the
twenty-ninth
street
mall.
and
that's
it.,
nothing
in
north
boulder.,
nothing
in
east
boulder,,
nothing
in
south
boulder.
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
they're
small
parcels,
right?
they're
still,,
it's
most
of
the
city,
still
prohibits
drive
throughs.,
but
ii,
personally,
am
not
gonna
support
this
one
because
of
the
accessibility
issues
and
not
wanting
to
centralize
all
those
drive
throughs
only
around
the
downtown
zone
and
the
20
ninth
street
mall.
A
P
Pb,
lisa
smith:
yeah,,
I
mean,,
I
think
I
already
spoke
to.
but
I'll
just
add
that
the
fact
that
it
already
has
to
go
through
site
review
is
another
reason
I
wouldn't
support.
It.
I
mean,
every
time
this
comes
up,
we
get
the
chance
to
say
we
don't
like
it
here,
and
we've
done
that
in
the
past.
As
a
board,,
you
know
we
don't
think
this
is
appropriate,
and
so.
P
P
O
Pb,,
jorge
boone:
99%
of
drive,
throughs
not
being
put
installed.,
but
when
we're
talking
pharmacies
and
other
things,,
it
becomes
a
different,
issue.
and
iii
agree.
I
was
gonna
make
the
point
that
lisa
did,,
which
was
the
site
review,
comment.
and
ii-
think
that's
where
a
site
review
is
really
important.
and
and
so
ii
appreciate,
kurt's.
O
Pb,
jorge
boone:
thoughts
on
this,,
and
I
think
you
know,
but
I
but
ii
I'll-
be
voting
against
it
for
that
for
that
reason,,
because
ii
still
think
there
are
some
equity
issues
that
need
can
be
addressed.
drive,
throughs.
and
I'm
thankful
that
we
have
a
site
review
process
that
allows
us
to
deny
most
frivolous
drive
throughs
in
boulder..
So.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
second.
kurt
nordback,
pb:
okay,
thank
you.
mark.
any
comments.
Question,
can.
Can
I
speak
to
this?
okay,
thank
you.,
so
again,.
The
overall
goal
of
this
project
is
to
increase
walkability
of
neighborhood
centers..
We
are
talking
about
potentially
adding
some
some
residential
uses
in
the
neighborhood
centers,
which
makes
sense.
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:,
but
part
of
what
makes
a
neighborhood
center
walkable
is
to
have
a
diversity
of
of
retail
and
other
kinds
of
uses.
There,
and
you
get
a
diversity
of
retail
and
other
kinds
of
uses.
There,
with
a
large
number
of
rooftops,
close
by,
right
within
walkable
distance,,
and
you
don't
get
a
lot
of
rooftops.
F
Kurt
nordback,
pb:
in
walkable
distance.,
if
they're
detached
single
family
dwells,,
we
just.
it
just
doesn't
provide
the
walk
shed
that
you
need
the
the
commuters
shed
that
you
need
in
order
to
provide
to
to
make
a
really
good
walkable
neighborhood..
So
I'm
suggesting,,
since
75%
of
our
residential
areas,
allows.
E
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
in
the
bt.
they're
only
allowed.,
if
they're
not
on
the
ground
floor
in
bc.
they're
allowed
in
the
parts
of
bc,
zoning
that
are
not
the
neighborhood
centers.
they
so
detest.
Join..
This
are
allowed,,
but
if
they're
in
the
neighborhood
centers,,
then
they
have
to
be
similar
to
a
discussion
about
duplexes
and
townhomes..
They
have
to
be
above
the
ground
floor
as
a
conditional
use,
or
if
they
are
on
the
ground
floor,,
they
require
a
use
for
view.
E
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
single
dwelling,
unit.
okay?
and
our
duplexes
and
tripe..
My
second
question
are
duplexes
and
other
plexes
considered
to
be
detached.
Dwelling
units,
or
they
considered
to
be
multi-family
dwelling
units.
duplexes
are
a
separate
use,
type,
and
then
attach
anything.
3,
and
above
would
be
attached
dwelling
unit.
O
D
S
F
A
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
depends
on
whether
they
would
be
whether
it
operating
that..
So
if
it's
helpful
that
the
definition
of
detached
dwelling
unit.,
it
just
means
no
more
than
one
dwelling
unit
within
a
structure..
So
it's
a
it's
a
little
misleading
that
it's
called
detached,
because
that
makes
you
think
of
a
single
family
home.,
but
it
really
just
means
there's
one
dwelling
unit
in
a
structure
home..
Maybe
we
can
ask
the
same
question:
that?,
laura
asked.
cause
I'd
be
interested
in
that..
How
does
a
single
family
home.
O
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
yep,,
so
it
would
be
exactly
the
same.,
so
we
would
call..
We
would
do
that,
and
I
will
say
so
for
many
of
these..
It
is
getting
at
what
kurt
is
saying
that
you
could
have
it,,
but
it
would
have
to
be
above
the
ground
floor
like
you
could
have
right?,
so
the
current
exactly.,
the
the
current
standards
are
already
attempting
to
achieve
that,,
at
least
in
the
bt
and
bc
in
the
the
mu.
It's
a
little
bit
different,,
because
it's
not
specific
to
ground
floor.
F
F
A
A
E
E
And
and
then
I
would
be
fine
approving
this,
because
I
assume
that
if,
if
the
current
code
already
does
this,,
then
staff
doesn't
need
to
make
any
changes,,
and
if
the
current
code
doesn't
do
this,,
then
staff
would
make
appropriate
changes..
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
hash
that
out
here
tonight..
I
think
the
intent
is
clear
that
you
don't
want
to
have
single
family
homes
in
mu,
bt.
and
bc.,
and
we
would
trust
staff
to
make
the
appropriate
code
changes..
If,
if
staff
feel
like
that
is
doable
and
clear
enough,
direction.
A
D
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
anyway.,
but
if
your
intent
is
to
outright
prohibit
them,,
there
are
still
options
in
the
code
today.
that
people
can
pursue
a
use
review..
So
if
you
want
to
take
that
further
and
prohibit
them,
entirely,
can
certainly
do
that..
I
will
say
that
the
way
the
regulations
are
crafted
for
all
of
these
districts
already
are
already
fairly.
F
A
E
D
Lisa
houde,
cob:
lisa.,
but
it's
okay.,
right?
great.,
so
they're
not
prohibited.
they're.
They
have
to
go
through
a
user
view..
So
that's
what
I
was
saying
that
if
you
wanted
to
prohibit
them,,
that
would
be
a
step
further
than
we
currently
have,
but
they
are
disincentivized
because
you
would
have
to
go
through
a
user
view.
and
the
rules
are
correct.
D
D
Q
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
detached
dwelling
unit
can
apply
to
a
single
dwelling
unit
within
a
building
that
it
also
has
commercial
or
retail
uses
so
like,
for
example,.
I
used
to
live
above
a
gas
station
in
a
in
a
single
apartment,
and
that
would
be
prohibited.,
but
that
wasn't
kurt's
intent.
his
intent
was
a
single
family
home.,
and
I
will
give
you
an
example
from
san
francisco,,
where
my
husband's
former
employer
basically
bought
up
a
city
block,.
You
know,,
multimillionaire
and
built
a
huge
house
right?,
and
you
could
do
that
wherever
you
want.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I
suppose.,
if
you
can
do
it
by
user,
view,
and
and
maybe
that
would
never
happen
here.,
but
it
happened
in
san
francisco
so,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
their
code
is,,
but
I
can
imagine
the
situation
where
somebody
very
wealthy
might
decide..
They
want
to
put
a
house
right
in
the
middle
of..
I
don't
know
pearl
street
or
something,
and.
Q
Q
Q
D
D
D
E
A
A
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:,
making
a
motion
planning
board,
makes
the
following.
Motion,
planning
board
recommends
that
city
council
adopts
ordinance,
8,
5,
9,
0,,
amending
title,
9.
land
use
code
to
update
the
use
table
and
use
standards
related
to
walkable
neighborhoods,,
including
the
following
amendments.
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
an
amendment
to
retain
9,
6,
5,
and
to
recommend
to
counsel
the
direct
staff
to
undertake
a
robust
public
process
that
specifically
and
solely
focuses
on
restaurant
group
hub
and
tavern
use
standards
and
code
enforcement
in
ujid
to
develop
a
way
to
move
forward.
That
finds
the
right
balance
for
all
involved.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
I
also,.
I
also
would
like
to
say
that
I
have
a
somewhat
time
sensitive
update
about
the
airport
process..
I'm
happy
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
in
matters
and
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
and
then
also
to
send
it..
If
there's
no
legal
problem
to
summarize
my
verbal
comments
and
send
it
out
to
the
planning
board
list
for
folks
who
have
to
leave
early
so
that
they
can
at
least
be
informed,
even
if
they're
not
present,
for
discussion.
A
S
Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):
sure.
well,,
you
know,,
as
you
stated
in
the
rules,
share
that
typically,
the
board
won't
take
any
new
business
before
10
or
after
10
pm.,
and
that
most
meetings
are
supposed
to
adjourn
by
1030
in
this
particular
case,.
I
think,.
Given
the
complexity
of
the
item.
That's
before
us
tonight..
It
probably
makes
sense
to
check
in
with
the
applicant
team
to
see
if.
S
A
Daniel
aizenman-
conscience
bay,
co.:
daniel,
go
ahead,,
please.
yup,,
thanks,
everybody..
I
know
it's
very
late,
and
I
wanna
be
respectful
of
your
time.,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
our
options
are..
I
know
the
next
planning
board
meeting
is
on
9
19,.
According
to
charles,
would
it
be
possible
to
do
a
continuance
for
a
special
meeting
on
8
29
on
tuesday,
8
29.
A
E
S
S
A
A
P
Pb,
lisa
smith:
can
I
pitch
a
question
to
staff
or
or-
and
I
know
that
we're
just
jam-packed
for
the
end
of
the
year.,
but
are
there
any
other
days
or
times
which
may
or
may
not
be
acceptable
to
the
applicant??
When
we
already
have
meetings
on
this,
could
move
to.?
I
know
specifically
that
some
of
things
get
rolled
out
in
ways.
We
don't
anticipate
just
wondering.
P
S
S
Q
Q
S
T
A
T
A
A
A
A
Pb,
lisa
smith:
and
go
from
there.,
so
we
can.,
let's
do
that.
and
daniel
j.
just
to
clarify..
Would
your
preference
be
to
introduce
the
item
tonight,
and
then
continue
to
the
twenty-ninth.,
or
would
your
preference
be
to
do
the
entire
thing
on
the
twenty-ninth??
If
the
20
ninth
is
one,,
we
will
come
back.
T
A
A
Q
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
E
A
Q
A
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
okay,,
pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
so
thank
you.,
everybody.
I'll
try
to
be
brief,,
even
though
we
only
had
one
item
tonight.,
so
the
airport,
as
you
know.,
I'm
I'm
your
liaison
for
the
airport
community
conversation
and
there
are
basically,.
I
guess
what
I
wanna
emphasize
tonight
is
there
are
2
kinda
key
junctures
where
staff
is
going
to
be
taking
something
to
city
council,
and
one
of
those
opportunities
is
coming
up
next
week
on
thursday,
august
twenty-fourth.
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:.
I
also
wanna
remind
you,
the
last
time
we
wrote
a
letter
to
city
council,.
We
basically
requested
and
said,
hey,
consider
having
a
hearing
at
planning
board
at
some
point,,
because
there
is
no
hearing
scheduled
for
us
to
look
at
this
project,
hear
from
staff,
discuss
it,
make
any
recommendations.
E
E
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
and
also
had
a
be
heard,
bolder
questionnaire
about
if
anybody
got
a
chance
to
participate.
so
those
same
4
scenarios
are
gonna,
go
to
city,
council
and
city
council
will
also
hear
about
the
public
input
to
date,
and
also
the
evaluation
that
staff
have
done
of
those
4
scenarios
against
a
common
set
of
criteria.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
that
are
based
on
our
sustainability,
equity
and
resilience
framework.
St.
staff
will
also
talk
to
city.
Council.-
I
think,
about
a
list
of
short
term
action
items
that
were
developed
to
say,
hey,,
no
matter
what
the
eventual
future
of
the
airport
is,,
which
could
be
many
years
or
even
decades
down
the
road.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:
are
there
things
that
are
short
term
that
we
wanna
do
right
now?,
so
I
think
all
of
that
is
gonna
get
discussed
with
city
council
at
a
study
session
on
the
twenty-fourth..
There
is
no
public
input
because
it's
a
study
session
or
no,
no
public
comments
at
that
meeting..
So
if
anybody
wants
to
weigh
in
before
that
meeting
happens.
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
you
would
need
to
just
write
to
council.-
pb,
laura
kaplan:
and
I
do
plan
to
write
to
counsel
as
an
individual,
giving
some
of
my
thoughts
about,
for
example,
some
data
gaps
that
they
may
want
to
ask
staff
to
fill
in
before
they
make
that
eventual
decision
about
what
is
the
future
of
the
airport.
and
which
of
these
4
scenarios.
Should
we
be
pursuing?
and
that
decision
point
again,
is
in
january.
it's
not
in
august.
E
E
E
E
Pb,
sarah
silver:
oh,
sorry!
go
ahead..
I
don't
see
any
other
hand,
so
feel
free
to
to
move
to
your
next
point.
okay?
so,.
As
I
mentioned,.
I
am
going
to
be
writing
a
letter
as
an
individual,,
and
you
know
ii
believe
in
information
sharing,
and
I
believe
in
no
surprises..
So
if
anybody
on
this
board,-
because
I
am
your
liaison.
E
Even
though
I
would
be
acting
in
my
individual
capacity,,
and
I
would
make
that
clear
to
counsel
that
I'm
writing
in
my
individual
capacity.,
if
you
wanna
see
it.
if
you
wanna
see
it
ahead
of
time.,
if
you
want
to
talk
to
me
about
it.,
I'm
very
happy
to
do
that..
Of
course
we
cannot,
you
know,,
have
a
meeting
outside
of
the
meeting,
but
one
on
one..
If
there's
something
that
you
wanna
ask
me
or
see
the
letter,,
I'm
happy
to
share
it
with
you.
A
Pb,
sarah
silver:
ii
really
appreciate
you
offering
giving
us
all
a
chance.
so
to
give
you
feedback
on
your
letter.,
but
does
that
actually,?
Is
that
actually
a
serial
meeting
in
some
way
in
inadvertently?
well,
to
be
clear,,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
craft
the
letter
together.,
I'm
just
saying,.
If
anybody
wants
to
be
informed
and
talk
to
me
that
they're
more
than
welcome.
A
A
A
E
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
I'm
just
happy
to
share
information..
If
people
want
to
see
what
I'm
writing.-
and
if
people
want
to
ask
me
questions
or
talk
to
me
about
it.,
but
I'm
not
planning
to
edit
the
letter
based
on
input,,
I'm
not
asking
for
changes
or
edits
or
feedback.,
I'm
just
happy
to
share
information
mostly,
so
that
you
folks
know
what
I'm
thinking
as
an
individual,.
And
if
you
wanted
to
write
your
own
letters,
you'd
be
welcome
to
do
that.,
but
it's
not.
it's!
It
would
not
be
coming
from
planning
board..
E
Pb,,
laura
kaplan:,
but
again
I'm
not.,
I'm
not
proposing
that
we're
writing
something
together..
It's
mostly
just
a
no
surprises
policy
and
an
information
sharing,,
because
this
is
a
very
complicated
topic,
and
we
don't
generally
have
time
to
really
go
into
it..
We're
not
going
to
have
a
hearing
on
it.
we're
not
going
to
get
a
presentation
from
staff,.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
be
really
transparent
about
what
I
have
learned
and
what
my
takeaways
are,
and
and
that
you
all
feel
sufficiently
informed
about.
What's
going
on.