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lisa
smith:
on
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda..
We
have
one
public
hearing
item,
which
is
a
concept
plan,
review,
and
comment.
request
for
proposal
to
develop
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2530
fourth
street
with
44
permanently
affordable,
10
house
units.,
so
we'd
ask
that
you
not
comment
on
that.
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
later.,
but
this
is
public
participation
for
any
other
items.,
so
please,
as
vivian
said,
raise
your
hand
if
you'd
like
to
speak.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:
yeah,
that
that
may
have
just
been
chandler
van
schaack
cob:.
I
think
I
think
that
was
an
open
space
plan
that
I
included
in
the
memo.
and
really
I
was
just
trying
to
show
that
the
overall
site
layout
wasn't
changing,
except
for
the
new
lot
lines..
The
the
landscaping
is
not
changing.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
one
of
the
the
minor
changes
is
removal
of
dwarf
trees.,
there's
like
individual
dwarf
trees
that
are
on
the
loss
that
they're
proposing
to
remove
and
replace
with
other
shrubs
and
other
landscaping.,
but
other
than
that,
no,.
None
of
the..
There
are
no
changes
to
the
landscaping
plan.
okay,.
So
all
those
big
trees
that
are
shown
are
essentially
still
proposed
to
just
not
on
the
dry.
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Hella
pannewig
city,
attorney's
office:,
that's
typically
required
under
the
code
for
this
particular
hearing
on
this
item.
impaired
the
ability
of
neighboring
property
owners
to
participate..
Then
you
would
have
to
continue
the
item
for
at
least
10
days,
and
if
you
find
that,,
then
I
would
recommend
that.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
it.,
it
seems
like
there
was
definitely
effective
outreach
to
arbor
wood.
because
we
got
a
notice
from
their
hoa
as
well
as
several
individual
members..
I
am
wondering
about
the
other
neighboring
property
owners,,
the
san
juan
del
centro
and
the
orchard
grove
mobile,
home
park..
Was
there
any
particular
outreach
to
those
those
folks?.
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Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):
beyond
just
kind
of
all
of
our
time
being
sure
beyond
the
logistics.
really
nothing.,
you
know,
and
I
think
maybe
the
applicant
would..
You
know,
assert
that
they'd
like
to
get
going
on
their
their
site,
review,
application,
and
they're,.
You
know,
would
like
to
get
the
feedback
from
planning,
board.
and.
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lisa
smith:
old
newspapers,
daily
cameras
behind
a
paywall.,
so
you
know,,
I
understand
why,,
that's
legally
how
we
do
it,
and
that's
written
into
the
code.,
but
ultimately,.
I
think
I
find
other
forms
of
noticing,,
including
direct
mail,,
to
be
more
informative
and
and
more
inclusive..
That,
said
ii
do
see
kind
of
a
wiggly
space
there
and
within
myself,,
which
is
that
this
weren't
a
concept
review..
If
this
wasn't
coming
back.
and
if
we're
really
controversial
project,,
I
think
I
would
be
saying
we
absolutely
cannot
be
hearing
this..
So.
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lisa
smith:
item
the
public,
hearing.
item
and
again,
I'll
reiterate
for
any
members
of
the
public
who
are
concerned
by
that.
first,.
I
apologize
that
you're
concerned
by
that,
and
secondly,.
I
want
to
emphasize
that
this
is
concept
plan
review..
You
will
have
multiple
opportunities
to
weigh
in.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
the
bvcp
land
use.
designation
for
the
site
is
medium
density,
residential,,
which
is
described
here
as
being
characterized
by
a
variety
of
housing.
Types.
medium
density
areas
are
generally
situated
in
your
neighborhood
and
community
shopping
areas,
or
along
some
of
the
major
arterials
of
the
city.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
so
these
are
going
to
be
some
shots
of
the
existing
site
and
surrounding
area..
As
I
mentioned,
before.
the
site's
roughly
4.6
acres,
and
is
currently
vacant..
The
site
was
originally
part
of
the
property
known
as
3,003
valmont,
road,
27,
acres
of
which
was
developed
with
the
216
unit
orchard
grove,
mobile
home
park,
in
1963.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
so
this
is
a
shot
of
san
juan
del
centro,.
Looking
east.,
the
architectural
character
of
the
surrounding
area
is
very
eclectic,,
with
mobile
homes
to
the
south
and
west
of
the
site,.
The
two-story
san
juan
del
centro
apartment
complex,,
immediately
across
30
fourth
street,
to
the
east.
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chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
as
indicated
in
the
applicant's
plans.,
the
proposal
consists
of
44
townhouse
units,,
with
a
mixture
of
two-story,,
2
bedroom
units,
and
one
story,
one
bedroom
units..
The
proposal
shows
a
series
of
fourplex
layouts
with
each
fourplex,
consisting
of
2
one
story:
units,
flanking
2,
2
story,
units.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
as
noted
in
the
applicant's
written
statement,,
which
is
included
as
attachment
b
in
your
packet.
bhp.,
is
exploring
modular
construction
in
order
to
capitalize
on
repetition
the
floor
plans
and
allow
for
distinguishing
features,
using
exterior
materials
and
color
palette,
while
decreasing
construction,
time
and
cost..
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
as
noted
in
the
staff
review,
comments
to
the
applicant,
which
are
included
as
attachment.
c.
transportation
staff
has
recommended
removing
one
of
these
proposed
access
points
off
30.
Fourth,
street,
and
coordinating
with
the
neighboring
property
owner
of
orchard
grove
to
potentially
link
the
southwest
area
of
the
proposed
site
plan
to
the
private
street
system
within
the
mobile
home
park
to
the
south.
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Chandler
van
schaack,
cob:
okay.,
so
the
sidewalk
connections
through
the
site
and
around
property
include
a
new
multi
use
path,
connection
along
30,
fourth
street
and
along
the
north
side
of
the
property,,
to
connect
into
a
future
multi
use
path,
connection
which
is
shown
in
the
transportation
master
plan,
and
that's
shown
in
the
dotted
blue
line
right.
There.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
while
the
application
packet
does
not
include
specific
architectural
renderings,,
the
applicant
has
provided
numerous
reference
images
as
well
as
detailed
massing
studies,,
showing
the
intent
behind
the
proposed
massing..
The
applicant's
written
statement
expresses
a
desire
to
provide
a
transition
in
massing.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:
in
terms
of
next
steps
following
the
concept
review,
hearing
city
council
may
vote
to
call
the
item
up
for
a
council,
hearing
to
provide
additional
feedback..
The
applicant
will
then
either
proceed
with
submitting
a
development
review
applications
or
may
submit
a
second
concept.
review
application
if
they
wish.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
if
you
went
down
to
1
one
access
point
on
30
fourth
street,
as
staff
are
recommending.,
would
that
clubhouse
have
to
be
raised
or
moved
like
it?
looks
like
you
can't
drive
through
it..
It
looks
like
it's
a
one
story:
clubhouse
that
blocks
that
drive
lane..
Am
I
looking
at
that
correctly??
I
think
it
would
have
to
be
moved.
yes.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:
w.
we're,
not
sure..
It
would
really
be
up
to
the
applicant
to
have
that
discussion
with
the
neighboring
property
owners..
Those
are
private
streets
in
the
mobile.,
so
transportation
staff
just
felt
like
it
would
improve
access
and
circulation
of
the
mobile
home
park,.
Because
right
now
it's
kind
of
a.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:,
but
there
is,
you
know,,
there's
the
ability..
There
is
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
connections
in
the
tnt..
So
the
path
could
you
know
the
the
exact
alignment
of
the
path
can
be
moved
a
bit,
I
think,
as
long
as
it
connects
to
where
it's
supposed
to
connect.
To,
there's.
Definitely
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
how
it
travels
through
this
area.,
so
potentially,
the
multi
use
path.
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Chandler
van
schaack
cob:
yeah,
no,,
I
don't..
I
don't
think
that
it
would
have
to.
oh,
no,.
I
was
just
gonna
say,.
The
applicant
may
want
to
talk
further
about
this.,
but
there's
also,
you
know,
potentially,,
some
landscape
buffering
requirements..
We
could
add,
or,,
you
know,
some
some
various
things
to
kind
of
increase
the
buffering
between
the
path
and
those
and
the
arbor
would
condos.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
thank
you.
and
thanks
to
staff
for
the
presentation.,
I
have
questions
about.
The
same.
follow
up
some
same
things
that
other
people
have
asked
about..
Do
you
have
any
kind
of
a
rendering
of
staff's
concept
of
how
this
second
access
that's
being
proposed
off
the
mobile
home
park.
streets
would
go.
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jorge
boone:
yeah.,
just
quick
question
for
staff..
I
may
ask
same
thing.
the
applicant
in
our
design,
instruction
standards,,
but
also
just
in
general,
to
work
with
the
applicant
wi..
Were
there
any
opportunities
to
put
the
vehicles
behind
some
of
the
buildings
looking
at
this.
actually,,
the
the
the
thing
on
the
screen
here.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn
(for,
applicant):,
yes,,
okey,,
dokey,
okay,.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
chandler,.
Thanks
for
that
presentation,
and
I
appreciate
being
able
to..
We
all
appreciate
being
able
to
present
this
to
tonight,
cause
we're
very
excited
to
show
it
to
you..
We've
got
a
great
team..
We've
been
working
with
older
housing
partners.
I
am.,
I'm
sorry.
didn't
introduce
myself..
My
name
is
erin
bagnell,
principal
at
sofaspan,
architects.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for
applicant):
thanks,
erin.
good
evening.,
I'm
laura
shinbaum,
with
boulder
housing.
Partners.,
it's
great
to
be
in
front
of
you.
This
evening.,
it's
been
a
minute
since
we've
been
here,,
but
I
wanted
to
assure
you
that
we're
busy
building
some
of
the
things
that
you
guys
have
approved
for
us
in
the
past
couple
of
years.,
just
a
reminder,
aaron..
Maybe
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide..
We
are
the
housing
authority
for
the
city
of
boulder..
We
are
an
owner.,
not
only
a
developer,
but
owner
and
perpetuity.
property
manager..
We
provide
resident
services.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for
applicant):
we're
busy
working
on
some
projects
that
are
a
little
bit
different
than
the
one
you're
seeing
from
us
tonight..
So
we've
got
60
units
of
senior
housing
coming
up
in
south
boulder
rally.
Sport
is
about
to
break
ground
next
next
month.,
that's
about
a
hundred
units
of
more
of
a
workforce,
style
housing,,
and
then
we
have
73
units
that
we're
in
the
process
of
financing
over
at
diagnosa.
that'll
be
family
units
that
are
again
relatively
dense
in
their
in
their
nature.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for
applicant):,
so
all
of
the
the
metrics
we've
gone
through
already..
I
did
want
to
mention
in
terms
of
community
engagement..
We
we
have
noticed,,
we
have
an
interest
list..
We
did
send
out
some
notice
to
people
that
have
expressed
interest
in
the
project
in
the
past,
that
notice
notification
did
go
out
also
from
bhp,,
and
we
have
gotten
some..
We've
done.
Community
engagement
done
some.
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Laura
sheinbaum,
(for,
applicant):
surveying
and
polling
and
erin's
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
here
in
a
minute.,
but
we
we
feel
like
we
have
reflected
back
to
folks
some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
and
one
of
the
biggest
ones
is
that
buffer
with
the
open
space
and
having
a
wildlife
portal
along
that
ditch
area..
So
I
think
some
of
the
decisions
that
we've
made,
and.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn
(for
applicant):
events.,
but
this
recent
one
was
more
comprehensive
and
had
everything
to
do
with
how?
what
you're,
seeing
tonight,
and
the
design
that
was
chosen
to
be
put
in
front
of
the
staff
and
planning
board
for
concept
review..
So
bhp
did
a
an
organized
online
survey.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher,
sparn,
(for
applicant):,
so
just
some
high
level
stats.,
it's
about
a
4
and
a
half
acre
site.,
there's
gonna
be
44.
Affordable,
housing,
units.
70%
of
the
entire
site
is
open
space..
A
lot
of
that
is
a
result
of
the
zoning
but
regardless..
It's
a
nice
stat.
We
are,
as
laura
mentioned,,
going
to
preserve
the.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher,
sparn
(for
applicant):
find
the
efficiencies
in
construction,,
especially
on
the
site
where
it
is
a
special
opportunity
to
have
an
empty
site,
and
it's
gonna
decrease
construction,
timeline
and
find
economies
of
scale
and
hopefully
become
a
model
for
how
to
do
this
more
in
the
future.
in
our
city.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn
(for
applicant):,
trying
to
economize
and
make
a
distinction
between
the
buildings,
but
at
the
same
time
find
ways
of
capitalizing
on
the
modularity..
So
there'll
be
our
different
articulations
of
each
fourplex,
and
we'll
start
to
develop
that
as
we
go
into
the
next
phase
and
site
review,.
So
you'll
see
more
of
a
building
design,
and
how
we.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn,
(for
applicant):.
These
are
all
erin
bagnall,
sopher
sparn
(for
applicant):,
some
views
of
the
site
to
from
the
southeast
aerial
view
from
the
southeast
from
the
west..
We
were
just
looking
at
this
on
chandler
screen,
some
views
about
of
the
gardens
and
the
community
space.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn
(for
applicant):
slightly
contradictory,,
because
if
we
were
to
go
towards
the
south.,
we
would
also
be
crossing
a
multi-use
path.,
so
we'd
be
adding
one.
If
we
were
to.
and
and
again,
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
to
crossing
into
private
property
and
streets
that
are
owned
by
the
city.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for
applicant):
no,,
I'm
here..
We
have
an
interest
list.,
so
we
sent
out
survey
information
to
the
interest
list,,
which
also
included
all
of
the
mobile
home
park
of
orchard
groves..
So
we
have
connection
to
the
manager
of
the
orchard
mobile
home
park..
Anybody
who
is
on
our
interest
list
was
also
sent
information,
and
then.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for,
applicant):
back,
and
before
the
pandemic,
we
we
did
pause
during
the
pandemic.,
the
progression
of
the
the
work
here,.
But
we
did
some
on
site
meetings
that
you
know..
The
entire
neighborhood
was
invited,,
including
san
juan
delcentro,
neighbors
to
the
north,
and
then
the
the
mobile
home
park.
Membership.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you..
I'm
gonna
have
lots
of
nice
things
to
say
in
the
comments
section.,
but
I
have
one
question
quickly,,
which
is.
I
noticed
that
all
of
the
units
are
one
and
2
bedroom
and
when
we
talked
with
michelle
allen,
she
also
talks
about
demand
for
larger
units,,
like
3
bedroom
units
for
families..
Was
there
any
consideration
of
building
some
of
these
as
3
bedroom
units.?
Given
that,,
you
know
the
densities.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for
applicant):
supposed
to
be
incorporated
at
some
point.
so,,
whether
or
not
they
were
in
the
packet
or
not..
I
don't..
I
don't
know
that
for
sure.,
but
yes,.
I
think
the
intent
is
to
have
some
of
those
3
bedroom
units
larger
family
size..
Certainly
it's
a
site
that
would
be
really
conducive
to
family
life,,
you
know,
with
the
community
center
and
playground.,
and
you
know,
again,
access
to
open
space,
and
the
multi
use
paths
and
and
all
the
amenities
that
are.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for,
applicant):,
nearby.,
so
yeah,,
I
think
that's
a
great
comment,
and
certainly
something
that
we
we
see,
demand
for..
It's
we
don't
see
as
much
as
people
might
think
we
do
for
the
3
bedroom.,
it's
actually
one
of
the
harder
product
types
for
us
to
lease,
but
once
we
do
find
the
right
family
generally,,
they
stay
for
a
long
time..
So
our
occupancy
rates
are
quite
high
for
the
3
bedroom
units
that
we
have
in
our
portfolio..
So
we'll
be
excited
to
incorporate
that
at
this,
this
location,
as
well.
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Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):
charles,,
please
go
ahead,
lisa.,
that's
me.!
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
laura's
questions
about
the
pending
zoning
code.
Changes
for
permanently
affordable,
housing.,
so
there's
no
changes
proposed
for
the
intensity
standards
and
the
exception
for
site
review
requirements,
as
proposed
for.
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Charles
ferro,
cob
(he/him):,
100%
middle
residential
housing
developments,
where
no
modification
to
development
standards
are
requested,
and
all
the
units
are
townhomes,,
duplexes,
or
attached
dwelling
units
locating
located
in
buildings
that
have
no
more
than
4
dwelling
units..
Those
would
be
the
projects
that
are
exempt
from
site
review..
So
I
think
in
this
case
this
would
still
not
just
one
into
a
site.
Review.
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Pb,,
lisa,
smith:
or
ii,
don't
mean
to.,
interrupt
lisa.
you're
sharing..
So
if
you
want
to
move
forward,
please.
fine!,
I
think
we'll
wait
till
32,
and
then,
whether
we
have
shows
you
back
or
not,,
we'll
we'll
have
curt
ask
this
question,,
but
we
can
wait,
you
know,
another
30
or
40
s,
whatever..
That
is.
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Erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn
(for
applicant):,
one
of
the
stricter
open
space
requirements,
zones.
and
he,.
I
mean,
he
was
right
to
mention,.
Does
the
multi
use
path
count
towards
open
space.?
I
actually
don't
know
if
it
does,
and
maybe
charles
can
comment
on
that.,
but
regardless
we
are
down
to
the
nitty
gritty
on
our
building
footprint,
and
the
amount
of
you
know
drive
access
that
we
can't
park
count
towards
open
space.
and
even
though
we
have,
you
know,
70,
open
space.
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erin
bagnall
sopher
sparn
(for
applicant):,
so
I
will
be
able
to
manage
it.
and
ii.
Think
that
then
the
neighbors
to
the
north
should
be
assured
that
that
will
work
with
them..
But
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
the
board
that
this
is
one
of
those
open
space
restricted
zones,
that's
not
being
changed
in
the
land.
use
code
with
the
ordinance.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
thank
you,
and
I
will
try
to
be
efficient
as
well.
so
for
key
issue
number
one..
I
agree
that
yes,
it
is
generally
compatible
with
the
goals,,
objectives,
and
recommendations
of
the
bbcp..
I
thought
staff
did
a
bang
up,
analysis.,
starting
on
page
74
of
the
menu,
and
cited
about
a
dozen
or
more
policies
that
this
is
helping
us
get
toward.
I
mean,
especially,.
I
love
how
this
is
providing
housing
for
low,,
moderate,
and
middle
income.
Households.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
that
this
is
an
appropriate
location
for
the
type
of
housing
that
is
proposed..
I
do
agree
that
it's
a
great
transition.,
so
I
agree.
number
one.
yes,.
It
is
compatible
for
all
the
reasons
staff
said
on
page
74
for
key
issue:
number
2
feedback
on
the
conceptual
site
plan
and
building
design..
I
have
just
a
couple
that
I'll
try
to
go
through
quickly.,
so
again,,
very
supportive
of
the
town
home
design
concept..
I
love
the
modularity
and
the
use
of.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
and
trying
to
be
a
model
for
that..
I
love
that
concept..
Thank
you
for
paving
the
way
there,
and
I
am
very
supportive
of
trying
to
add
some
3
bedroom
units
depending
upon
the
demand
that
you're
seeing
for
them..
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.,
those
are
so
scarce,
and
this
seems
to
be
a
good
location.
Given
that,.
You
know
you
can
only
build
so
many
units,
and
that's
your
limiting
factor,
rather
than
the
footprint
of
the
buildings.,
so
seems
like
a
great,
great
opportunity
for
that.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
you
talk
about
off
street
bike
parking.
and
since
mark
mcintyre
can't
be
here,
tonight.,
I'm
gonna,
channel
him
and
say,
you
know,.
You
say
that
you
will
meet
the
requirements
for
off
street
bike
parking..
We
always
like
to
see
more,
if
possible,.
If
that
makes
sense,
I
think,,
especially
around
any
community
center
or
common
areas..
I
know
that
when
I
was
living
in
multi-family
housing,
you
would
often
invite
guests
to
come
and
join
you
to
grill
out
or
to
use
the
amenities.,
and
sometimes
those
folks
are
arriving
by
bike,.
So.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:
to
the
orchard,
grove
mobile,
home
park.
through
this
property
they
mentioned
in
the
memo
that
they
want.
it's
mostly
because
they
want
the
orchard
grove
mobile
home
park,
residence
to
have
an
additional
exit..
But
this
part
of
30
fourth
street
is
a
dead
end,
and
it
just
exits
back
out
onto
valmont,,
where
they
already
have
2
curb
cuts.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
quite
close
by
for
the
orchard
grove
mobile,
home
park..
So
I'm
not
sure
that
there
are
many
residents
of
that
mobile
home
park
that
would
head
north
through
your
property
and
come
back
out
on
30.
Fourth
street,,
only
to
end
up
back
on
valmont,,
pretty
close
to
where
they
would
exit
anyway..
So.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
maybe
there's
some
emergency
use.,
I'm
not
understanding.,
but
I
would
love
to
get
more
information
from
staff
about
why
they
see
that
as
a
desirable
connection.-
and
I
don't
know
that
many
of
your
residents
are
gonna
wanna
travel
on
those
very
slow
speed,
private
streets
with
lots
of
children
playing
to
exit
directly
onto
valmont..
I
just
don't
know
that
we
get
used
that
much,
so.
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Ml
robles,
pb:
sidewalks
that
are
yet
to
be
developed,
and
how
those
porches
actually
will
help
create
community..
I
greatly
appreciate
that
you
got
the
gardens
and
clubhouse
and
all.,
but
the
idea
is
that
people
will
be
walking,
and
will
be,
you
know,
going
from
a
to
b,
and
hopefully
we'll
be
walking
to
amenities,,
because
it
is.
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Ml
robles,
pb:,
I
would
say
you
have
options
available
there
still
and
consider,,
considering
that,
and
I
think
that
those
are
my
input
comments
to
you,
just
think
about
how
the
people
are.
Gonna
actually
use
those
paths
on
the
site
and
how
it's
gonna
become
a
community.
and
the
idea
that
we've
got,
you
know,
an
an
all,
affordable
housing
project
in
boulder.
I
mean..
This
is
what
we
we
look
at
all
the
in
lose
and
right..
This
is
the
where
the
in
lose
land..
So
I
appreciate.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:
university,
family
housing
in
in
places
in
the
united
states,
and
I've
seen
it
a
lot
in
europe..
I
was
just
in
europe,
and
just
just
got
back
about
an
hour
ago.
and
I
saw
in
developments
in
the
netherlands,
and
also
in
slovenia,,
where
we
were,,
where
you've
got
a
central,
green
space,
and
then.
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jorge
boone:,
clear
to
me.,
but
I
think
maybe
through
some
sort,
for
the
refinement,
would
would
get
me
there.
but
overall
excited
to
see
the
project
excited
about
the
modular
component
of
it.
excited
to
see
some
larger
unix
for
a
family
and
some
some
quality
open
space..
I
just
hope
we
don't
miss
the
opportunity.
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Kurt
nordback,
pb:,
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
should
ask
if
this,
if
the
applicant
needs
any
clarification.,
often
I
think
that.
yeah,
yeah,.
Sometimes
they
have
additional
questions.
yeah,.
If
applicants
or
staff
have
anything
they
feel
we
haven't
provided,
or
something
you'd
like
clarification,
on.,
please
feel
free
to
speak.
Now.
thank
you.
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Laura
sheinbaum
(for
applicant):
it's
hard
to
draw
on
somebody
else's
property,,
as
you
all
know,,
so
we
will..
We
will
do
our
best
to
see
what
kind
of
partnership
we
we
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
achieve
with
them,,
but
I
know
that
they
are
open
to
conversation,.
So
that
will
be
reflected
on
our
next
round
of
submittals..
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Pb,
lisa,
smith:
and
staff.
I
may
ask
you
to
speak
to
this,
brad..
I
think
this
is
you,,
but
we
are
in
need
of
a
delegate
from
planning
board
to
speak
at
city
council,
and
in
a
moment,
brad,.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
repeat
what
the
2
items
are:
they?
wanna
hear
about?
I've
gone
straight
out
of
my
head
and
sarah
will
still
be
traveling
for
work
in
dc.
and
unfortunately,.
The
time
when
at
least
one
of
the
items
is
likely
to
come
forward
again..
This
is
this
thursday.
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Pb,
lisa
smith:,
I'm
looking
in
my
calendar
room.
I
was,
gonna
say,
yeah,
check
your
calendar..
We
all
need
to.,
and,,
brad,
ii,
apologize
that
so
many
of
us
aren't
available,,
I
think
and
and
criticism.
it
just
came
up
fast,
and
so
last
minute
request.
Sometimes
they
anticipated
a
few
weeks
in
advance,
and.
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Laura
kaplan,
pb:,
to
the
extent
that
they
can
do
that
without
pausing
work.
That
would
be
essential
for
safety,,
especially
so
I
think
they're
trying
to
thread
that
needle..
I
think
that
they,
you
know,
have
received
feedback..
They
have
listened
and-
and
I
think,
they're
kind
of
on
the
same
page
with
we
don't
wanna,
incur
a
lot
more
faa
grant
obligations
if
it
can
be
avoided.,
but
also
not
certainly
not
wanting
to
hamper
the
operations
and
save
maintenance
of
the
airport.